All language subtitles for conversations.with.a.killer.the.ted.bundy.tapes.s01e03.WEBRip.x264-ION10

I remember the beautiful, clear morning.

Mountain top shining
with the first rays of...

the summer morning's light.

I remember psyching myself all the way up.

Saying to myself again and again,
"you must go."

You must go, you must go, you must go.

Don't hesitate, don't stop, don't stop.

It certainly did cause a furor.

They didn't know where in the world I was.

And I was feeling really good.

I had nobody helping me,
I had no money, I had no nothing.

Just ran right up into the mountains

and managed to find a cabin.

If I could've kept on hiking
I would have been long gone

but a very cold sleet
and rain storm hit me

and I got very cold
and went into a state of shock.

Three four days of high altitude
and cold got to me and my mind got weak.

I was just totally disoriented

it was like an experience
I had never known before.

That night I walked back into Aspen
because I was cold and hungry.

And I just said well,

let's just see what happens.

And a fluke actually, they stopped me.

I know of course
the officers believed that

I would be depressed.

Dejected as well as...

in a state of physical exhaustion.

And that...

the inevitability of it all would

shake me and that I was just a...

a rotten tomato ready to burst

and all it would take would be

this extraordinary circumstance
to open me up.

But my exhaustion not withstanding,

they were barking up the wrong tree.

Ted: How you doing?

Carlisle: I am doing pretty good Ted
how you doing?

Uh. Well, quite well quite frankly.

There is still the... scars
from the blisters on my feet

I'm sitting here bare footed.

From running around in the mountains.

Extraordinary experience.

Carlise: They treating you pretty good?

Umm. They, they have developed
this paranoia about me.

Like I am going to escape or something.

Carlise: I can't imagine
where they are getting that.

Yes, exactly.

You know, we haven't really...

you know, talked personally obviously,
since the latter part of January.

Well, the impressions about all that
you have been hearing about me and...

Carlisle: Okay. How do you mean?

Well like the escape
and everything like that...

I wonder
what your impression of that was.

Carlisle: I had mixed impressions.

I was wondering
if you were really getting uptight.

And the pressure looked like it was on.

In your own mind, what was happening?

Ted: Well...
-Carlisle: What was the reason for...

I just got sick and tired
of being locked up and...

I had-- Over the months,
I had noticed a number of opportunities

to just walk right out.

Just longed for freedom for so long
and now I'm like

like I was living my ultimate dream.

It was just an incredible experience.

This kind of boldness that we see
from time to time from this personality...

It's probably just

being willing to take risk.

Or perhaps not even seeing risk.

Just overcome by that boldness and desire
to accomplish a particular thing.

I think we can say that he...
he felt almost as if he was immune...

From detection.
As if he were in a dimension

that he just kind of like...

could walk through doors.

That he had some supernatural powers.

That no matter how much he fucked up
nothing could go wrong.

The FBI knows that people
are creatures of habit.

We have our little things
that we like to do.

And they just wait for a person
to assume those habits again.

The person has to examine
his life and say,

"What parts of my life are distinctive?"
And then change them.

Creating an identity...

is not terribly difficult
to do at all.

When he hit the girls,

I just don't think they had a chance

to fight back.

I think he just went in and hit.

I just don't think they had
a chance to cry out.

That day in Pensacola
had been one of the best I'd spent.

Was sunny, I got in the ocean,
laid on the beach.

And I said to myself-
I remember saying to myself, that day,

boy, you've got it whipped.

This is the way to start out 1978,

laying on the beach
in the Gulf of Florida.

And, just laying there in the sand,
and getting a bit of a tan.

I was super confident
and I was just feeling

really satisfied with the way things were.

Judge: Are you acquainted with
or are you familiar

with the charges against you
as outlined by the state's attorney?

Judge: This is for
stolen property and automobile,

possession of stolen television,

possession of stolen credit cards
on twenty one accounts,

possession of stolen tags,
that is automobile tags.

Battery of a police officer
and resisting arrest with violence.

Attorney: He is entitled to a bond
on these cases.

Judge: We can't bail him out, if we,

we don't even now who he is,
he won't tell us who he is.

Who would be the principle on the bond?

Attorney: Your Honor,
all I know is what they say.

Now I don't know
whether he's given his name or not.

He's certainly entitled to a bond
in any event I would think.

Your Honor, the public defender
heard the man admit just now

that he is not the person
whose name he gave

and he has failed to come forward
to correct his name.

Judge: Well, until we find out who he is,
there's no way we can bail him out.

Attorney: Alright.

I was being interrogated
by the police in Pensacola.

And I have no way of measuring

on a scale of one to ten,
what one to a hundred...

what the traumatic effect
on my mind and body was.

And I said I wanted to talk to somebody.

Just someone to talk to,

I needed a friend,
I needed somebody close.

I didn't want a cop or an attorney.
I was sick and tired of cops.

I needed somebody there.
Somebody to talk to.

Somebody to settle me down

and to help me get over this...

reaction I was having
being back in custody.

The date is 2/21/78.
The time is 15:20 hours.

This will be an interview
with Elizabeth Kloepfer.

Could you begin on February 16th, 1978

and describe the telephone call
that you received from Ted Bundy?

Uh, he called collect,
my daughter accepted the charges.

Uh, and he said that he was in custody
and I asked him where and he said Florida.

He repeated over and over again

that this was really going to be bad
when it broke.

That it was not going to break
until tomorrow morning

and be in the press,
but it was going to be really ugly.

And... I asked him...

...if he was referring to the murders
to some sorority girls in Florida

and he said that
he wouldn't talk about it.

He told me that he wished that we could
sit down and talk about

things without anyone listening.

About why he was the way
he is and I said,

"Are you telling me that you're sick?"

And he said... he was really defensive
and he told me to back off.

Saturday morning at two,
he called again... collect.

And he said that he wanted to talk about
what we'd been talking about.

He told me that he was sick
and that he was consumed by something

that he didn't understand
and that... um...

that it...

that he just couldn't contain it.

He spent so much time trying to maintain
a normal life and he just couldn't do it.

He said that he was preoccupied
with this force.

Hugh: Well, why Florida
in the first place?

Ted: It was the very opposite end
of the country from the Pacific Northwest.

Not that I disliked the northern climate,

but I didn't have the clothing
and it was...

It'd just be harder to get around

and to live in a cold climate
when you didn't have any money.

I didn't know anybody in Florida,
and I thought the likelihood

that Florida would know anything
about Ted Bundy was remote.

Ted: Gentlemen, I'm not going to be
paraded for Ken Katsaris' benefit.

It ceased to be an issue as to
whether or not I was innocent or guilty.

The issue is now, is can we pin it on him.

Can we follow through
and maintain our reputation

as law enforcement officers.

The police aren't willing to accept
what I think they know,

and they know that
I didn't do these things.