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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 0 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 1 00:00:36,049 --> 00:00:38,928 (Audience applauds) 2 00:00:47,770 --> 00:00:49,044 Good evening. 3 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:55,208 For those of us here tonight that are 70 years old or younger, 4 00:00:56,690 --> 00:01:01,082 Jack Cardiff was shooting film before we were born. 5 00:01:32,293 --> 00:01:35,171 (Kirk Douglas) I don't do many interviews. 6 00:01:35,373 --> 00:01:42,643 But when I was invited to speak about Jack Cardiff, my friend, 7 00:01:42,773 --> 00:01:44,126 I couldn't resist, 8 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:49,727 because Jack Cardiff is a...an amazing guy. 9 00:01:51,735 --> 00:01:53,531 (Scorsese) Every time I saw certain names, 10 00:01:53,694 --> 00:01:56,492 and one of the names that kept cropping up was Cardiff. 11 00:01:56,654 --> 00:02:00,250 Every time I saw these names, I knew I was in for something very special. 12 00:02:00,615 --> 00:02:05,928 And I began to have a very strong affinity towards British cinema, 13 00:02:06,055 --> 00:02:09,604 because of my recognition of Cardiff's name, actually. 14 00:02:09,735 --> 00:02:13,570 The way a movie is photographed creates a mood, 15 00:02:13,696 --> 00:02:15,288 and creates the mood of the movie, 16 00:02:15,576 --> 00:02:20,013 so that the audience is prepared for the kind of movie it's going to be. 17 00:02:20,136 --> 00:02:22,013 (lnaudible) 18 00:02:23,496 --> 00:02:25,533 Cinematography is central to film. 19 00:02:25,657 --> 00:02:30,286 Motion pictures is... is the art form of the 20th century, 20 00:02:30,616 --> 00:02:33,529 and you can't do them without the camera. 21 00:02:53,938 --> 00:02:56,657 Going over to Bogie, he's dead. 22 00:02:56,778 --> 00:03:00,658 She's dead, she's dead, she's dead. She's alive. 23 00:03:00,819 --> 00:03:03,572 I'm just alive. 24 00:03:03,699 --> 00:03:05,496 It's fantastic, isn't it? 25 00:03:05,659 --> 00:03:08,571 - (lnterviewer) You've outlivedthem all. - Yeah. 26 00:03:08,739 --> 00:03:10,730 Incredible. 27 00:03:12,060 --> 00:03:16,052 I don't know. Do you think it's a tragic industry to be in sometimes? 28 00:03:16,219 --> 00:03:22,216 No, I don't think so, I think it's a nonsensical thing...job to be in, 29 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:24,974 because it's full of, um... 30 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,729 full of hypocrisy, hyperbole. 31 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:32,820 Just about everything you can think of. 32 00:03:45,261 --> 00:03:47,822 At this moment your room is still not ready. 33 00:03:53,542 --> 00:03:56,534 - Thank you. - Your name? 34 00:03:57,542 --> 00:03:59,613 If anybody said, "Who is that guy? " 35 00:03:59,783 --> 00:04:02,138 because I don't think anybody really knows who I am, 36 00:04:02,263 --> 00:04:06,495 I'd say, "Well, I used to be a stand-in for Frank Sinatra." 37 00:04:09,143 --> 00:04:11,259 (Man speaking French) 38 00:04:25,865 --> 00:04:28,776 (Speaks French) 39 00:05:03,586 --> 00:05:06,020 (Sister Ruth laughs) 40 00:05:17,067 --> 00:05:18,978 (Audience applauds) 41 00:05:22,988 --> 00:05:25,707 - That was made 50 years ago. - Cinquante ans. 42 00:05:25,908 --> 00:05:27,261 How are you? 43 00:05:27,468 --> 00:05:29,265 Pleased to meet you. 44 00:05:29,588 --> 00:05:31,260 - Nice to see you. - Hello. 45 00:05:33,229 --> 00:05:34,947 Come up a bit on this one, 46 00:05:35,109 --> 00:05:37,906 and they're putting on a narrow one on the number four. 47 00:05:38,068 --> 00:05:40,025 (lnterviewer) How oldare you now? 48 00:05:40,149 --> 00:05:43,027 A couple of weeks ago, I was 91. 49 00:05:43,229 --> 00:05:45,823 - Andyou're still working? - Yes, well, not for long. 50 00:05:45,989 --> 00:05:50,858 Another ten years, and I'll have to take it easy, I think. 51 00:05:51,069 --> 00:05:52,821 - Can you put it on now? - Yes, sir. 52 00:05:52,989 --> 00:05:55,629 Where you are now with the smoke. That's it. 53 00:05:55,830 --> 00:06:00,222 - When didyou begin, Jack? - In this business? 54 00:06:00,351 --> 00:06:04,946 Er...well, I started in 1 9... 55 00:06:06,751 --> 00:06:09,663 1 91 8. 56 00:06:09,831 --> 00:06:12,550 As a kid actor. That's a long way back, isn't it? 57 00:06:34,233 --> 00:06:38,145 And that's myself when I was about five years of age. 58 00:06:38,272 --> 00:06:41,231 - You'dalready been in a movie. - Yes, I had. 59 00:06:41,313 --> 00:06:45,545 Do you remember, as a child, the fiirst fiilm you acted in? 60 00:06:45,713 --> 00:06:49,228 Very, very fuzzily. I know that it was called "My Son, My Son". 61 00:06:49,593 --> 00:06:54,748 I was four years of age, and it was a silent picture, of course. 62 00:06:54,874 --> 00:06:58,230 The director used to shout the instructions through the megaphone. 63 00:06:58,554 --> 00:07:01,671 "Now smile a bit, look over to her. You love her. Come on, you do this." 64 00:07:01,834 --> 00:07:04,553 That was...that was easy, you know. 65 00:07:08,115 --> 00:07:09,833 In between stage shows, 66 00:07:09,995 --> 00:07:14,034 my mother and father would work as extras sometimes. 67 00:07:15,075 --> 00:07:19,591 The standard rate of pay in those days, the extras got one guinea a day. 68 00:07:20,676 --> 00:07:24,827 And there was something like, I don't know, 1 50 or 200 extras. 69 00:07:25,035 --> 00:07:29,905 They were paid at the end of the day by filing past a little booth. 70 00:07:30,076 --> 00:07:32,226 After a while, they realised what they could do, 71 00:07:32,556 --> 00:07:35,025 they'd get to the end of the queue and they'd change hats, 72 00:07:35,157 --> 00:07:37,192 or put on a different coat, 73 00:07:37,316 --> 00:07:40,035 and they'd go by and they'd take another guinea. 74 00:07:40,156 --> 00:07:42,546 They were making a fortune until they were found out. 75 00:07:42,677 --> 00:07:46,306 The queue was filing by for hours collecting guineas. 76 00:07:46,637 --> 00:07:48,673 I had a different home every week. 77 00:07:48,837 --> 00:07:55,516 I went to about 300 schools in my youth and learnt practically nothing. 78 00:07:55,678 --> 00:07:57,669 So where didyou pick up allyour skills? 79 00:07:57,838 --> 00:08:01,035 I read a pornographic book by Frank Harris. 80 00:08:01,158 --> 00:08:04,309 But in between the porn, there was all these great names he mentioned. 81 00:08:04,638 --> 00:08:09,235 He'd met all these great writers and painters and musicians. 82 00:08:09,359 --> 00:08:11,031 And I went out to Foyles 83 00:08:11,159 --> 00:08:15,277 and bought all the books he mentioned in his book, and I read the lot. 84 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:17,794 That started it, and I kept on reading ever since. 85 00:08:17,919 --> 00:08:20,035 So you learned in between bits ofipornography? 86 00:08:20,159 --> 00:08:21,912 Yes. 87 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:30,998 The first job I had was really a kind of runner boy. I was... 88 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,636 The director had some kind of flatulence problem. 89 00:08:34,721 --> 00:08:39,032 He was... he had to be given Vichy water. 90 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,035 I had to hand him fresh, cold Vichy water at any time of the day, 91 00:08:43,161 --> 00:08:45,231 so I had to sort of have it all ready. 92 00:08:45,361 --> 00:08:47,749 That was a silent picture. 93 00:08:47,881 --> 00:08:52,159 And then the next picture was the beginning of sound. 94 00:08:53,641 --> 00:08:56,600 Hitchcock was in the next stage. 95 00:08:57,682 --> 00:09:01,277 When sound films first came out, they had to be, obviously, synchronised, 96 00:09:01,562 --> 00:09:03,632 and to do that we had clappers. 97 00:09:03,762 --> 00:09:06,834 which was just two pieces of wood that did that, 98 00:09:06,962 --> 00:09:11,240 and then you'd put the sound against the picture as it closed. 99 00:09:11,362 --> 00:09:15,276 And the first clappers, they thought it was such an important function, 100 00:09:15,603 --> 00:09:17,639 that they gave it to the director, 101 00:09:17,803 --> 00:09:20,033 and he would solemnly announce the scene 102 00:09:20,243 --> 00:09:22,803 and then clap and sit down and say, "Action." 103 00:09:22,923 --> 00:09:24,834 It was considered a very vital thing. 104 00:09:25,043 --> 00:09:27,841 But after a while, he found it was a bit of a bore doing that, 105 00:09:28,003 --> 00:09:32,236 so they put the job with the young clapper boy, as he was called. 106 00:09:32,564 --> 00:09:37,319 He was a number boy, and he became a clapper boy, and I used to do that. 107 00:09:37,484 --> 00:09:38,917 4 take 1. 108 00:09:40,844 --> 00:09:44,997 While I was at B&D Studios, I was working on British quota pictures, 109 00:09:45,165 --> 00:09:48,282 which had to be completed in two to three weeks. 110 00:09:48,605 --> 00:09:52,075 I was then operating the camera, and you couldn't make any mistakes 111 00:09:52,245 --> 00:09:54,679 cos they'd never do another take, there wasn't time or money. 112 00:10:06,806 --> 00:10:11,641 (Challis) Korda brought over a lot of very good people 113 00:10:11,766 --> 00:10:18,525 and, I think, was instrumental in founding the sort of British school, if you like. 114 00:10:18,687 --> 00:10:23,886 I mean, he gave people the opportunity to learn from masters of their craft. 115 00:10:24,887 --> 00:10:27,765 (Singing) 116 00:10:31,048 --> 00:10:34,119 Run, run, Orlando. 117 00:10:34,287 --> 00:10:38,645 (Cardiff) A lot of fascinating stars were coming over, and big directors, 118 00:10:38,808 --> 00:10:44,645 and, what was most important, very good top Hollywood cameramen. 119 00:10:44,809 --> 00:10:46,685 (Crowd shouting) 120 00:10:59,649 --> 00:11:00,843 What are you waiting for? 121 00:11:01,049 --> 00:11:03,325 Dietrich was a big sensation, of course, 122 00:11:03,650 --> 00:11:07,768 and she...she used to put gold dust in her hair. 123 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:10,563 She knew about lighting, she'd worked with Josef von Sternberg. 124 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:13,244 She would have been a great cameraman, 125 00:11:13,610 --> 00:11:17,160 and she knew that that lighting had to be so high, 126 00:11:17,331 --> 00:11:19,845 45 degrees, to make a shadow under the nose, 127 00:11:20,011 --> 00:11:24,004 and most cameramen over the years have done the same sort of lighting. 128 00:11:24,131 --> 00:11:27,521 She had a slightly turned-up nose. Like Marilyn Monroe, in fact. 129 00:11:27,691 --> 00:11:30,047 So to straighten it out she had this white line down here, 130 00:11:30,212 --> 00:11:34,250 and then inside here, inside the eyes, she put this white. 131 00:11:34,491 --> 00:11:37,484 See this white inside. It must've been painful to do this. 132 00:11:37,652 --> 00:11:40,644 She looked gorgeous. But she was in command of the lighting. 133 00:11:40,812 --> 00:11:44,851 She used to have a full-length mirror by the side of the camera. 134 00:11:45,012 --> 00:11:49,291 She'd look in the mirror and say, "Harry, the back light could get a bit hotter, 135 00:11:49,573 --> 00:11:51,882 "and how about the kicker light? " 136 00:11:52,053 --> 00:11:53,805 She used to comment on it, 137 00:11:53,933 --> 00:11:57,642 and Harry would whisper to me, "Goddamn it, she's always right." 138 00:11:57,813 --> 00:12:00,885 - Have you had luck so far? - Wonderful luck. 139 00:12:01,013 --> 00:12:04,290 And the most wonderful of all was to meet you. 140 00:12:06,654 --> 00:12:09,771 - Do you think so? - Yes, I do think so. 141 00:12:11,294 --> 00:12:13,330 Even if tomorrow means the end of us... 142 00:12:15,214 --> 00:12:17,729 ...as it may do. 143 00:12:18,535 --> 00:12:20,843 What about this one? 144 00:12:21,014 --> 00:12:23,813 (Cardiff) We had this scene in the bath, 145 00:12:23,935 --> 00:12:25,846 and she came on the set, 146 00:12:25,975 --> 00:12:29,126 and we thought she was going to be in a swimming costume, 147 00:12:29,295 --> 00:12:30,695 which was the usual thing. 148 00:12:30,816 --> 00:12:33,488 When she took off her dressing gown, she was stark naked. 149 00:12:33,655 --> 00:12:37,569 Within half an hour of doing these shots in the bath, the place was crowded. 150 00:12:37,696 --> 00:12:41,166 There was about 1 6 electricians on the spot rail 151 00:12:41,296 --> 00:12:44,527 trying to look technical, holding lamps and things. 152 00:12:44,696 --> 00:12:48,245 The ground, which was a paper floor, was getting wetter and wetter. 153 00:12:48,376 --> 00:12:53,246 And as she got out, she slipped on the soapy water, and fell with a crash, 154 00:12:53,577 --> 00:12:57,695 and the towels missed her completely, east and west in the air, 155 00:12:57,857 --> 00:13:01,167 and there was the great Marlene floundering about on the floor, 156 00:13:01,297 --> 00:13:03,254 stark naked. 157 00:13:07,857 --> 00:13:10,247 (Heston) He started very early in colour. 158 00:13:10,498 --> 00:13:14,093 Started about when they started doing colour, I believe. 159 00:13:14,258 --> 00:13:16,055 It's a different medium, really. 160 00:13:16,178 --> 00:13:20,012 You light in a different way, which, of course, is the cameraman. 161 00:13:21,658 --> 00:13:23,650 (Cardiff) The Technicolor people had come over 162 00:13:23,819 --> 00:13:28,290 to choose one young operator to be trained in Technicolor, 163 00:13:28,619 --> 00:13:29,847 and they came out shaking 164 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:34,814 because the technical questions were absolutely...very, very tough. 165 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:37,135 So, when it came to my turn, I said right away, 166 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:39,768 "I'm afraid on the technical side, I'm zero," 167 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:41,572 and there was a shocked silence, 168 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,453 and they said, "How are you going to get on in the film business? " 169 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:48,772 I study painting and light and lighting buildings and so on, 170 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,052 and they asked me, "Which side of the face did Rembrandt light? " 171 00:13:52,221 --> 00:13:56,179 I took a chance and said, "This side, and it'd be reversed in an etching," 172 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:58,895 and then I talked about Pieter de Hooch and his interiors 173 00:13:59,061 --> 00:14:01,097 and the camera obscura and that stuff, 174 00:14:01,261 --> 00:14:04,937 and the next day I learnt that I had been chosen. 175 00:14:08,821 --> 00:14:11,859 Light comes through the front, obviously, through the lens, 176 00:14:12,062 --> 00:14:15,771 and there's a prism here, which is the soul of the Technicolor camera. 177 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:20,140 Twenty-five per cent of the light comes straight through the prism 178 00:14:20,262 --> 00:14:22,776 on to the one film in this gate here. 179 00:14:22,902 --> 00:14:24,336 That's the green record. 180 00:14:24,703 --> 00:14:29,823 And then the other...rest of the light, 75 per cent of the light, 181 00:14:29,943 --> 00:14:32,696 comes through and is reflected on to a bipack. 182 00:14:32,863 --> 00:14:35,172 This is a bipack of the blue and the red records. 183 00:14:35,303 --> 00:14:38,740 And, of course, the magazine holds three films. 184 00:14:38,944 --> 00:14:43,061 Of course, these things free the sprockets. They do nothing except that. 185 00:14:43,223 --> 00:14:46,580 But I used to put on this big act and say, "l think I'll put a bit more green here, 186 00:14:46,744 --> 00:14:48,860 "a little less blue there," 187 00:14:49,024 --> 00:14:52,904 and they believed it, they thought I was creating colour with the camera. 188 00:15:03,825 --> 00:15:06,100 (Challis) The whole camera department were American 189 00:15:06,265 --> 00:15:10,817 and Jack was the only one on the camera crew who was English. 190 00:15:10,946 --> 00:15:13,858 And he was the camera operator on it at Denham. 191 00:15:14,026 --> 00:15:17,939 - Here they come. - (Cheering) 192 00:15:18,146 --> 00:15:20,944 Donnerhill still in rather a pocket on Wings Of The Morning. 193 00:15:21,106 --> 00:15:23,176 (Cardiff) It was a fascinating new world, 194 00:15:23,346 --> 00:15:27,784 because I was into the lmpressionists at that time, 195 00:15:27,947 --> 00:15:30,255 and I was mad about the lmpressionist painters, 196 00:15:30,586 --> 00:15:32,578 and I thought, "Well, this is it." 197 00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:45,740 (Voiceover) The surface of anything you look at is absorbing some colour rays 198 00:15:45,908 --> 00:15:47,785 and is reflecting the rest. 199 00:15:47,908 --> 00:15:53,029 What it reflects strikes the eye and that's how we get our impression of colour. 200 00:15:53,149 --> 00:15:55,582 Colour is light and light is colour. 201 00:15:55,708 --> 00:15:57,300 (Challis) He always liked to experiment. 202 00:15:57,628 --> 00:16:01,861 He liked to apply certain things which he felt he'd learnt from painting 203 00:16:01,989 --> 00:16:04,788 to cinematography. 204 00:16:17,950 --> 00:16:22,978 As you see, I've always collected a lot of interesting paintings and drawings. 205 00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:26,740 I learnt a lot about painting... Well, I'm still learning, let's face it. 206 00:16:26,911 --> 00:16:32,349 And the main idea is I copied some painters, like I liked that Boucher. 207 00:16:32,591 --> 00:16:36,220 I couldn't afford to buy the real one and so I copied it, 208 00:16:36,351 --> 00:16:38,343 and that's the way to learn. 209 00:16:38,592 --> 00:16:41,264 A lot of real painters copy other painters, you know, 210 00:16:41,591 --> 00:16:45,744 because this way they learn from each other, in a way, it's an interesting thing. 211 00:16:45,912 --> 00:16:48,062 Some people say it's a copy. Yes, it's a copy. 212 00:16:48,192 --> 00:16:51,184 But it takes a long time to analyse the painting, to make the copy. 213 00:16:58,473 --> 00:17:04,309 Then I had a big break, because a German came in to Technicolor, 214 00:17:04,552 --> 00:17:07,590 who was a count, Count von Keller. 215 00:17:07,713 --> 00:17:09,112 (Challis) He was a great traveller. 216 00:17:09,273 --> 00:17:13,950 He was a sort of...I don't know, you know, sort of buccaneer, almost. 217 00:17:14,114 --> 00:17:15,866 He was a wonderful character. 218 00:17:16,074 --> 00:17:17,870 Somebody suggested to him, 219 00:17:18,033 --> 00:17:20,946 "When you're on these travels, why don't you make films? 220 00:17:21,114 --> 00:17:23,309 "Why don't you take along a Technicolor camera and crew 221 00:17:23,634 --> 00:17:25,591 "and make travel films? " 222 00:17:25,715 --> 00:17:29,707 (Voiceover) The work and spirit of the immortal Lawrence lives to this day, 223 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:32,184 for Lawrence, in his quiet unobtrusive way, 224 00:17:32,315 --> 00:17:35,068 imparted to the dwellers of this wild territory 225 00:17:35,235 --> 00:17:37,988 a sense of law and order of which they had never dreamed. 226 00:17:38,195 --> 00:17:42,586 (Challis) Jack is in the middle and I'm on the right. That's in Palmyra in Syria. 227 00:17:42,755 --> 00:17:45,873 (Cardiff) We went to Africa and lndia and all over the world 228 00:17:46,036 --> 00:17:48,072 with a Technicolor camera. 229 00:17:49,716 --> 00:17:54,107 (Voiceover) The outside walls are richly carved with incidents from Hindu legend, 230 00:17:54,276 --> 00:17:57,825 so rich that not one panel resembles any other. 231 00:17:57,956 --> 00:18:00,187 (Challis) Most people hadn't been abroad. 232 00:18:00,317 --> 00:18:03,911 And to see places in colour was marvellous. 233 00:18:04,076 --> 00:18:07,114 (Voiceover) He is Nundi the bull. Nundi the joyous. 234 00:18:07,317 --> 00:18:10,354 Worshipped as an embodiment of the force of reproduction. 235 00:18:10,557 --> 00:18:13,311 (Challis) But Jack was the creative drive behind them. 236 00:18:13,558 --> 00:18:15,276 Nobody else had much idea 237 00:18:15,358 --> 00:18:19,988 about how to set about making it original and different. 238 00:18:23,918 --> 00:18:28,116 (Cardiff) When Vesuvius was on, and splotches of molten lava were falling, 239 00:18:28,278 --> 00:18:31,953 we had to sort of choose a moment to dash in and just point the camera. 240 00:18:32,118 --> 00:18:34,713 (Voiceover)..while from the lips of its many gaping mouths, the lava... 241 00:18:34,879 --> 00:18:38,349 I broke the prism and burnt the tripod legs. 242 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:41,193 Burnt my shoes, anyway. But that's another story. 243 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,995 (Christie) "Western Approaches" is an extraordinary film, 244 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:54,238 because it's the first ever Technicolor documentary 245 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:56,157 that isn't a travelogue. 246 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,194 - What have you decided to do, sir? - Make for lreland. 247 00:18:59,321 --> 00:19:02,358 Prevailing winds in part of the Gulf Stream should be in our favour. 248 00:19:02,601 --> 00:19:06,640 (Cardiff) You had a lifeboat with 22 merchant seamen in it 249 00:19:06,801 --> 00:19:09,998 and the Technicolor camera, it was very clumsy and very difficult to work, 250 00:19:10,121 --> 00:19:13,273 and the director and myself and a few assistants and so on. 251 00:19:13,602 --> 00:19:16,991 And we went out every day in the lrish Channel, which was absolutely horrible. 252 00:19:17,201 --> 00:19:18,873 (Voiceover) This is the "Forces Programme". 253 00:19:19,001 --> 00:19:21,721 Now here's a short recital of gramophone records. 254 00:19:21,882 --> 00:19:24,350 We're on the home stretch now. You can tell when you hear the old BBC. 255 00:19:24,642 --> 00:19:26,633 It won't be long now. 256 00:19:29,922 --> 00:19:32,072 (Christie) For the first time in living memory, 257 00:19:32,202 --> 00:19:35,559 British film-makers had a British audience. 258 00:19:38,602 --> 00:19:40,321 People enjoyed seeing British films. 259 00:19:40,643 --> 00:19:43,077 They actually preferred them in some cases to American films. 260 00:19:43,283 --> 00:19:46,515 They felt they came closer to the scene of the action. 261 00:19:46,684 --> 00:19:48,800 How could Americans understand 262 00:19:49,004 --> 00:19:52,678 what people in Britain were going through during the war? 263 00:19:52,844 --> 00:19:56,280 So towards the end of the war, I think British film-making was really on a high. 264 00:19:59,404 --> 00:20:00,884 (Cardiff) At that time, 265 00:20:01,045 --> 00:20:04,514 I had not yet photographed a feature film in its entirety. 266 00:20:04,684 --> 00:20:09,634 I'd done lots of little pieces and I'd worked mostly on the second unit, 267 00:20:09,725 --> 00:20:11,761 and I was desperate to get the big break. 268 00:20:11,925 --> 00:20:14,564 - (Gunshot) - (Clicks) 269 00:20:14,725 --> 00:20:18,161 - (Gunshots) - (Clicks) 270 00:20:18,325 --> 00:20:21,284 (Schoonmaker) The main character, played by Roger Livesey, 271 00:20:21,566 --> 00:20:25,081 is trying to deal with his loneliness by going on safaris 272 00:20:25,286 --> 00:20:28,039 and shooting animals all over the world. 273 00:20:28,246 --> 00:20:32,558 Jack Cardiff was doing the shooting of that as the second unit cameraman 274 00:20:32,726 --> 00:20:35,116 and my husband came in and watched him doing it. 275 00:20:35,327 --> 00:20:39,205 I heard a voice say, "Very interesting," and there was the great Michael Powell, 276 00:20:39,326 --> 00:20:43,002 and he said, "Would you like to photograph my next film? " 277 00:20:43,127 --> 00:20:45,721 and I said, "Oh, yes, Mr Powell," and he went, 278 00:20:45,887 --> 00:20:49,800 and I thought, "He's just said that and he'll forget all about it," but he didn't. 279 00:20:49,927 --> 00:20:53,284 Are you wounded? Repeat, are you wounded? Are you bailing out? 280 00:20:53,488 --> 00:20:55,285 - What's your name? - June. 281 00:20:55,488 --> 00:20:56,887 Yes, June, I'm bailing out. 282 00:20:57,008 --> 00:20:59,921 I'm bailing out but there's a catch. I've got no parachute. 283 00:21:00,169 --> 00:21:03,160 Oh...hello? Hello, Peter? Do not understand. 284 00:21:03,328 --> 00:21:05,558 (Clock ticking) 285 00:21:05,728 --> 00:21:08,084 Hello? Hello, Peter? Can you hear me? 286 00:21:08,289 --> 00:21:11,804 (Schoonmaker) Michael Powell just felt that Jack was the man at that time 287 00:21:11,929 --> 00:21:17,606 who knew the most about how to get colour on to film in a new way. 288 00:21:17,729 --> 00:21:19,606 The Archers had what was described 289 00:21:19,729 --> 00:21:22,119 as the longest period of subversive film-making 290 00:21:22,290 --> 00:21:24,042 within a major studio ever, 291 00:21:24,170 --> 00:21:28,800 and because their films were very popular, commercially successful, 292 00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:30,688 they got away with murder. 293 00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:33,644 (Michael Powell) We were our own bosses. 294 00:21:33,811 --> 00:21:36,325 We produced it, we wrote it, we directed it, 295 00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:40,650 and if anybody said to us, "May I suggest you do this? " 296 00:21:40,771 --> 00:21:42,807 we just said, "Eff off!" 297 00:21:42,931 --> 00:21:45,923 (Cardiff) It was a wonderful combination, because you had Michael, 298 00:21:46,091 --> 00:21:50,164 who was daring and running around and doing outlandish things, 299 00:21:50,331 --> 00:21:52,925 and Emeric, who was a brilliant writer anyway. 300 00:21:53,091 --> 00:21:56,164 He would be the one who occasionally would say to Michael, 301 00:21:56,372 --> 00:22:00,684 "This is going too far, because of this or that," and he'd usually be right. 302 00:22:00,812 --> 00:22:03,884 (Schoonmaker) They were fantastic. Fertile, imaginative mind. 303 00:22:04,052 --> 00:22:06,247 A very unique person in his own way. 304 00:22:06,372 --> 00:22:11,572 And then you add Jack to the mix, you have a pretty powerful cocktail. 305 00:22:17,613 --> 00:22:19,843 (Cardiff) It was daunting for me, as my first film, 306 00:22:19,973 --> 00:22:24,171 and even for Michael Powell it was an ambitious project. 307 00:22:27,414 --> 00:22:31,805 We were doing an exterior and Michael said, "Wait, I'd love to have a fade-in, 308 00:22:31,934 --> 00:22:33,731 "but instead of just a fade-in 309 00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:37,603 "I'd like to have something different like a mist thing or something." 310 00:22:37,734 --> 00:22:39,804 And I said, "Look through the camera," 311 00:22:39,974 --> 00:22:43,331 so he looked through the camera and I went to the lens and went... 312 00:22:50,815 --> 00:22:53,773 (Scorsese) When I saw the Archers logo, I knew I was in for something special. 313 00:22:53,895 --> 00:22:57,206 Then I saw the name Cardiff attached with that, 314 00:22:57,336 --> 00:23:01,887 and I knew this was a unique...I was about to undergo a unique experience. 315 00:23:05,976 --> 00:23:09,174 - Child, where were you born? - In Boston, sir. 316 00:23:09,337 --> 00:23:13,329 I've made a bunch of films in Hollywood but nothing to compare with this. 317 00:23:13,656 --> 00:23:15,329 It was an enormous production. 318 00:23:15,657 --> 00:23:18,296 The court will adjourn. 319 00:23:21,938 --> 00:23:27,295 (Challis) It was, I've always thought, as pure cinema as Disney, really. 320 00:23:27,377 --> 00:23:31,132 I mean, you couldn't do it on the stage or in any other way. 321 00:23:33,618 --> 00:23:38,009 (Cardiff) I remember, in the first preparation days of the film, 322 00:23:38,138 --> 00:23:40,333 I said to him, quite casually, 323 00:23:40,618 --> 00:23:43,338 I said, "Michael, I suppose heaven will be in colour 324 00:23:43,659 --> 00:23:45,729 "and the earth will be in black and white." 325 00:23:45,939 --> 00:23:48,294 He said, "No, the contrary." 326 00:23:48,459 --> 00:23:50,689 I said, "Why? " He said, "Everyone expects that." 327 00:23:50,819 --> 00:23:52,696 That was typical in his nature. 328 00:23:52,819 --> 00:23:54,172 He was perverse to the extent 329 00:23:54,299 --> 00:23:57,098 that he would like to do anything that was different. 330 00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:59,647 I mean, the ordinary was anathema to him. 331 00:23:59,779 --> 00:24:01,736 A little trick of mine, you remember? 332 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:05,688 In order to get the transition from black and white to colour, 333 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:08,779 we would shoot the main sequence in black and white 334 00:24:08,941 --> 00:24:13,297 but the penultimate shot was using the Technicolor camera 335 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:16,777 so that they would be able to start in black and white 336 00:24:16,941 --> 00:24:18,818 and then bring in the colour. 337 00:24:18,941 --> 00:24:22,252 (Hunter) Marius Goring ad-libbed a line during one of the scenes 338 00:24:22,382 --> 00:24:26,374 and Mickey Powell immediately said, "Keep it in, good line." 339 00:24:26,701 --> 00:24:30,900 One is starved for Technicolor up there. 340 00:24:31,102 --> 00:24:34,981 (Hunter) Really throughout all of my life, I do not go to dailies, 341 00:24:35,142 --> 00:24:38,578 except that when we were doing "A Matter Of Life And Death", 342 00:24:38,742 --> 00:24:43,259 I was so curious that I did go, early on, 343 00:24:43,383 --> 00:24:49,015 I think for the first time that they had colour in the dailies, 344 00:24:49,223 --> 00:24:53,774 they clearly were not happy with the colour. 345 00:24:53,903 --> 00:24:56,702 They said, "Send it back," and, "Do better than that, 346 00:24:56,784 --> 00:24:58,819 "we must have it better than that!" 347 00:24:58,943 --> 00:25:02,095 So I have a feeling that Jack was very much behind all that. 348 00:25:08,625 --> 00:25:11,855 (Voiceover) Outside the Empire, thousands crowd the approaches 349 00:25:11,984 --> 00:25:15,261 to see the royal family and also the many film stars and notabilities 350 00:25:15,425 --> 00:25:18,815 attending the Royal Command film performance. 351 00:25:18,945 --> 00:25:21,742 Michael Powell, one of the two producers of the film, on the stairway. 352 00:25:21,905 --> 00:25:23,304 (Cardiff) At the end of the picture, 353 00:25:23,425 --> 00:25:27,703 either the cameramen would collect these, put on one sheet, 354 00:25:27,865 --> 00:25:30,380 or Technicolor would do it for him. 355 00:25:30,706 --> 00:25:33,617 I have several, and they're great fun to look at them. 356 00:25:51,747 --> 00:25:54,261 (Voiceover) Mopu is 8,000 feet up. 357 00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:57,185 The peaks on the range opposite are nearly as high as Everest. 358 00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:01,898 The people call the highest peak Nanga Devi. It means the bare goddess. 359 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:06,738 (Cardiff) On "Black Narcissus", we all expected to go on location to lndia, 360 00:26:06,908 --> 00:26:10,105 and we were greatly surprised when Michael Powell the director told us 361 00:26:10,268 --> 00:26:14,864 the entire film was going to be made at Pinewood Studios in England. 362 00:26:15,028 --> 00:26:20,057 (Powell) I saw it as a wonderful exercise for all...for all of us, 363 00:26:20,189 --> 00:26:24,979 to produce a real perfect colour work of art. 364 00:26:26,229 --> 00:26:30,382 (Cardiff) Michael collected around him the best technicians that were available 365 00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:34,907 and he had a brilliant art director, Alfred Junge. 366 00:26:35,069 --> 00:26:38,699 He was very German and highly organised, 367 00:26:38,830 --> 00:26:40,388 and if he designed a set, 368 00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:44,226 when you walked on for the first time, there would be a cross on the floor, 369 00:26:44,431 --> 00:26:48,343 and he said, "That is the camera position with a 35 millimetre lens." 370 00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:53,102 (Powell) Alfred Junge the designer and Jack Cardiff the cameraman 371 00:26:53,231 --> 00:26:58,021 would have endless arguments and conversations about settings, 372 00:26:58,191 --> 00:27:02,230 first of all on paper and then when they were painted, 373 00:27:02,351 --> 00:27:05,708 then in detail, and then when the set was there. 374 00:27:07,872 --> 00:27:11,831 (Challis) The exteriors out on the lot at Pinewood, with the Himalayas, 375 00:27:11,952 --> 00:27:13,305 were absolutely marvellous, 376 00:27:13,672 --> 00:27:16,904 because they were plaster mountains in perspective, 377 00:27:16,993 --> 00:27:19,029 but the result was just unbelievable. 378 00:27:19,153 --> 00:27:21,712 You looked out of the window and it looked real. 379 00:27:21,872 --> 00:27:26,503 (Powell) Sometimes Alfred would have to tear half of it down 380 00:27:26,673 --> 00:27:30,110 and Jack pointed out that the kind of lighting that he wanted 381 00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:32,582 for this particular sequence 382 00:27:32,753 --> 00:27:36,189 couldn't be done because there was a wall in the way. 383 00:27:36,354 --> 00:27:38,822 Alfred would be furious. 384 00:27:38,954 --> 00:27:43,107 But together they just worked miracles. 385 00:27:45,234 --> 00:27:50,025 I mean, you never get the slightest feeling of studio, do you? 386 00:27:54,715 --> 00:27:56,945 (Cardiff) After the film was released, 387 00:27:57,115 --> 00:27:59,834 I believe Micky got a letter from someone in lndia 388 00:27:59,955 --> 00:28:03,187 who said that they knew the locations, they'd seen them. 389 00:28:03,356 --> 00:28:05,824 It was a good, good idea! 390 00:28:09,956 --> 00:28:13,505 (Cardiff) Vermeer was the sort of painter that I had in mind on "Black Narcissus" 391 00:28:13,676 --> 00:28:18,910 because the light had to be clear and as simple as possible. 392 00:28:24,717 --> 00:28:27,072 (Bell ringing) 393 00:28:30,638 --> 00:28:33,868 (Cardiff) When I did this green, having green filters in the filler light 394 00:28:33,997 --> 00:28:38,230 and sort of pinkish colours in the sun effects, 395 00:28:38,358 --> 00:28:40,155 it was a thing of anger, 396 00:28:40,318 --> 00:28:42,911 I tried to use the same kind of mood in that... 397 00:28:43,037 --> 00:28:46,633 I mean, any cameraman would get ideas from Van Gogh 398 00:28:46,798 --> 00:28:48,914 and moods of light and things. 399 00:28:49,038 --> 00:28:50,916 Light is the principal agent, 400 00:28:50,999 --> 00:28:54,389 and that should be the same with photography, 401 00:28:54,718 --> 00:28:59,668 that the use of light is like a painter, that you use it in a simple form. 402 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:04,715 (Scorsese) The emotional and psychological connection 403 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,273 that was made through certain lighting in paintings, 404 00:29:07,399 --> 00:29:10,312 I felt, watching those pictures that he photographed. 405 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,999 He made them special. 406 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,113 Because of that, you wanted to be in that world with them. 407 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,358 You can't order me about. You have nothing to do with me any more. 408 00:29:25,641 --> 00:29:27,711 I know what you've done. I know that you've left the order. 409 00:29:27,881 --> 00:29:31,112 I only want to stop you from doing something you'll be sorry for. 410 00:29:31,281 --> 00:29:34,318 Sister Philippa is going back in a few days' time. I want to send you with her. 411 00:29:34,441 --> 00:29:38,913 That's what you would like to do, send me back and shut me up. 412 00:29:39,002 --> 00:29:41,721 (Schoonmaker) Michael Powell felt colour was part of the narrative. 413 00:29:41,842 --> 00:29:43,958 Sister Clodagh, Sister Clodagh! 414 00:29:44,122 --> 00:29:46,192 - You know what she says about you? - Whatever she said, it was true! 415 00:29:46,402 --> 00:29:49,758 - You say that because you love her! - I don't love anyone! 416 00:29:49,922 --> 00:29:52,312 (Sister Ruth) Clodagh. Clodagh. 417 00:29:52,643 --> 00:29:54,280 Clodagh! Clodagh! 418 00:29:54,402 --> 00:29:57,155 - Clodagh! Clodagh! - (Crash) 419 00:29:57,283 --> 00:30:01,196 When I saw their work on screen, this was like being bathed in colour. 420 00:30:01,363 --> 00:30:05,243 It was palpable. It was...it... I don't know what... 421 00:30:05,404 --> 00:30:08,679 The colour itself became the emotion of the picture. 422 00:30:12,804 --> 00:30:17,036 The atmosphere that was created around me was fantastic. 423 00:30:17,164 --> 00:30:19,120 I was most inspired by it. 424 00:30:23,284 --> 00:30:27,073 I mean, I thought I was just going out looking a bit malevolent. 425 00:30:29,844 --> 00:30:36,114 But when I saw it on the screen, I was amazed at this great blare of music 426 00:30:36,245 --> 00:30:39,318 and this incredible face with the wet hair. 427 00:30:39,406 --> 00:30:42,875 He gave me half of my performance with the lighting. 428 00:30:46,366 --> 00:30:49,085 (Michael Powell) When Arthur Rank... 429 00:30:49,206 --> 00:30:54,678 he took it to California, showed it in Hollywood, 430 00:30:54,806 --> 00:30:57,639 it got the most wonderful technical praise. 431 00:30:57,767 --> 00:30:59,837 The art direction got two Oscars. 432 00:30:59,967 --> 00:31:03,801 Jack Cardiff's photography got another Oscar. 433 00:31:07,247 --> 00:31:11,035 (Scorsese) The whole communication of the film, what it tries to communicate, 434 00:31:11,168 --> 00:31:15,207 is combined through costume, the positioning of people in the frame, 435 00:31:15,368 --> 00:31:17,928 the movement of people within the frame, 436 00:31:18,088 --> 00:31:22,718 sometimes the movement of the frame itself, light, shadow, colour, 437 00:31:22,888 --> 00:31:25,164 and cutting, all to music. 438 00:31:25,369 --> 00:31:27,166 All designed specifically to music. 439 00:31:27,329 --> 00:31:30,718 Then they took it and went further with it with "The Red Shoes" ballet. 440 00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:41,364 The last day but one of "Black Narcissus", 441 00:31:41,529 --> 00:31:43,804 Michael Powell said to me, "What do you think about ballet? " 442 00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:48,760 I said, "Not much, all these sissies prancing about, I don't think much of it." 443 00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:51,923 And he was amused rather than horrified. 444 00:31:52,091 --> 00:31:55,400 He said, "Jack, you'd better get to like ballet, because this is your next film. 445 00:31:55,730 --> 00:32:00,122 "I've got tickets for you to go practically every night." I thought, "Oh, my God!" 446 00:32:00,251 --> 00:32:03,926 Very shortly, of course, I became absolutely wrapped up in ballet 447 00:32:04,051 --> 00:32:05,928 and I loved it. 448 00:32:06,051 --> 00:32:08,406 Actually, Miss Page, I want more, much more. 449 00:32:08,731 --> 00:32:12,407 I want to create, to make something big out of something little. 450 00:32:12,612 --> 00:32:15,729 (Schoonmaker) The theme of "The Red Shoes", of course, is that... 451 00:32:15,892 --> 00:32:20,329 Michael was saying that if you want to be on the cutting edge of your art form, 452 00:32:20,652 --> 00:32:22,324 you have to be prepared to pay the consequences, 453 00:32:22,652 --> 00:32:28,921 because you're challenging everybody when you start breaking conventions, 454 00:32:29,052 --> 00:32:33,331 and you have to be aware that some people may be able to attack you 455 00:32:33,653 --> 00:32:34,927 and bring you down when you do this. 456 00:32:35,133 --> 00:32:37,363 Why do you want to dance? 457 00:32:40,733 --> 00:32:43,327 Why do you want to live? 458 00:32:43,453 --> 00:32:47,606 I don't know exactly why, but I must. 459 00:32:48,814 --> 00:32:50,566 That's my answer too. 460 00:32:50,734 --> 00:32:56,650 Some ballet enthusiasts feel that it's not the best shooting of ballet. 461 00:32:56,774 --> 00:33:00,848 The best shooting of ballet, to be literal about it, would be from head to toe, 462 00:33:00,975 --> 00:33:02,328 Fred Astaire had in his contract 463 00:33:02,455 --> 00:33:05,413 that you had to keep photographing him from head to toe. 464 00:33:08,255 --> 00:33:12,647 But they changed that completely. They paid no attention to that. 465 00:33:12,776 --> 00:33:16,734 They made a film about what goes on inside the dancer's head. 466 00:33:27,296 --> 00:33:31,926 It's how the dancer, he or she, sees themselves, while they're dancing. 467 00:33:32,096 --> 00:33:35,055 So you get the spirit of the dance, you get the spirit of it, 468 00:33:35,177 --> 00:33:39,773 and I applied that later to the boxing scenes in "Raging Bull". 469 00:33:43,457 --> 00:33:45,095 What they hear, what they see. 470 00:33:45,257 --> 00:33:47,897 What they hear and what they see, very important. 471 00:33:48,098 --> 00:33:51,169 (Cardiff) Michael Powell had courage. 472 00:33:51,337 --> 00:33:55,172 He would risk, he would take a risk, a big chance to do something, 473 00:33:55,298 --> 00:33:59,292 which might seem crazy but it usually came off. 474 00:33:59,419 --> 00:34:03,127 (Schoonmaker) The camera devices are welded to the material. 475 00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:05,488 They're welded to the emotion of the film. 476 00:34:05,658 --> 00:34:09,015 They are for the purpose of impacting the audience. 477 00:34:14,779 --> 00:34:20,013 I think because Jack had vision, you know, 478 00:34:20,180 --> 00:34:22,853 about what he was going to do, 479 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:26,256 he didn't feel curbed by the restrictions of that time. 480 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:30,737 I had the idea of increasing the speed of the camera very rapidly, 481 00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:35,133 that as he jumped, I went from 24 frames to 48 frames 482 00:34:35,301 --> 00:34:38,212 for about less than a second. 483 00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:41,612 So it went up, and as it got up it was going much faster, 484 00:34:41,781 --> 00:34:43,931 which slowed him down imperceptibly, 485 00:34:44,101 --> 00:34:46,935 and he seemed to linger in the air on the top of the jump. 486 00:34:47,102 --> 00:34:49,377 (Music plays) 487 00:34:49,742 --> 00:34:53,940 (Schoonmaker) They were coming up with great ways to use the camera, 488 00:34:54,182 --> 00:34:58,221 and when you see how big that thing was, how they did it, I don't know. 489 00:34:58,382 --> 00:35:01,818 I mean, they did call it the "enchanted cottage", cos it was so huge. 490 00:35:01,982 --> 00:35:05,338 How they moved that thing around, I don't know. It was amazing. 491 00:35:05,662 --> 00:35:07,972 - Can you imagine? - Things have changed. 492 00:35:08,143 --> 00:35:11,419 It was enormous, and you didn't have much room to get the lights round it. 493 00:35:11,743 --> 00:35:15,941 (Challis) That's the famous Technicolor camera. Jack, me. 494 00:35:16,103 --> 00:35:19,813 The camera flying in and out as though from the point of view of a dancer. 495 00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:21,736 Would be a hand-held shot these days, 496 00:35:21,864 --> 00:35:25,742 but the camera is on a sort of bungee slung from a chain in the roof. 497 00:35:38,984 --> 00:35:44,776 (Scorsese) You begin to see, I must say, flourishes, where the camera cut, 498 00:35:44,945 --> 00:35:48,018 or a piece of composition for the length of the shot, 499 00:35:48,186 --> 00:35:54,978 that you begin to realise that he's using the lens like brush strokes. 500 00:35:56,146 --> 00:35:59,422 It becomes like moving paintings. You know, it's a painting he's made. 501 00:35:59,786 --> 00:36:03,176 Along with Hein Heckroth, Michael and Emeric Pressburger, there's no doubt. 502 00:36:03,346 --> 00:36:06,783 But it's a painting, paintings that moved, extraordinarily moved, 503 00:36:06,907 --> 00:36:13,175 not only moved visually but emotionally and psychologically also. 504 00:36:25,187 --> 00:36:28,305 There was something so audacious about "Red Shoes", 505 00:36:28,468 --> 00:36:31,824 and something that was so utterly, um... 506 00:36:32,988 --> 00:36:37,106 unique, different from any film being made at the time. 507 00:36:39,068 --> 00:36:41,185 (Woman speaking French) 508 00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:44,146 Qu'est-ce que tu as? 509 00:36:44,269 --> 00:36:45,941 Mon petit. 510 00:36:46,109 --> 00:36:48,146 Et ou vas-tu? 511 00:36:48,389 --> 00:36:51,426 Mon petit! 512 00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,786 No! 513 00:37:03,070 --> 00:37:06,779 The lessons of those films have never left me. I still keep drawing upon them. 514 00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:10,745 It's had a huge influence. Particularly on Scorsese and Brian de Palma. 515 00:37:10,911 --> 00:37:14,028 De Palma. De Palma, easily. The expressionism. 516 00:37:14,191 --> 00:37:15,385 It's about expressing colour, 517 00:37:15,711 --> 00:37:19,863 it's expressing, you know, the glint of a knife and the colour of the blood. 518 00:37:19,991 --> 00:37:22,108 It's all there with Brian. Look at "Scarface". 519 00:37:22,352 --> 00:37:24,911 And Lucas and Coppola. 520 00:37:25,111 --> 00:37:27,751 And then of course you have Francis all the time. "Godfather". 521 00:37:27,872 --> 00:37:29,783 Clearly in "One From The Heart". 522 00:37:29,992 --> 00:37:32,108 It's about passion, I think. 523 00:37:32,232 --> 00:37:37,670 You could feel these people were really, really dedicated and involved. 524 00:37:37,792 --> 00:37:40,705 (Cardiff) When it was cut, it was shown to Mr Rank. 525 00:37:40,873 --> 00:37:43,433 Usually if a film isn't very good, you know, 526 00:37:43,753 --> 00:37:46,950 they might sort of put on a little bit of an act, and say, "Most interesting," 527 00:37:47,113 --> 00:37:50,423 and, you know, and say, "Well done," or something and walk out. 528 00:37:50,713 --> 00:37:54,103 But on this occasion they walked out, they got up, 529 00:37:54,234 --> 00:37:56,429 and they walked out without saying a word to Michael Powell. 530 00:37:56,754 --> 00:37:59,143 They just ignored him, just walked straight out, 531 00:37:59,234 --> 00:38:02,032 because they were convinced that it was a disastrous film. 532 00:38:02,234 --> 00:38:04,145 J Arthur Rank thought they'd gone mad 533 00:38:04,274 --> 00:38:07,152 and said, "This is terrible, we have to stop this kind of film-making. 534 00:38:07,434 --> 00:38:10,950 "From now on, we will tell them what to make", and Michael said, "You won't." 535 00:38:11,194 --> 00:38:15,666 It was a very sad end to a great, great period of film-making. 536 00:38:17,435 --> 00:38:20,950 (Alan Parker) I mean, they're seminal films, you know, 537 00:38:21,116 --> 00:38:23,868 but they're a particular aesthetic. 538 00:38:23,995 --> 00:38:28,148 It's the kind of aesthetic that actually will be great art. 539 00:38:28,316 --> 00:38:30,193 - And then it will be kitsch... - Yes. 540 00:38:30,396 --> 00:38:32,751 ...and then it'll be art again. 541 00:38:46,317 --> 00:38:50,026 I've signed all over England and America too, 542 00:38:50,197 --> 00:38:52,791 and I just lost count. 543 00:38:52,957 --> 00:38:55,677 - I'll put happy birthday. - Yeah, that would be very good. 544 00:38:55,798 --> 00:38:57,754 I'm outside the studio gates once, 545 00:38:57,918 --> 00:39:01,957 I'd just come back from seeing Marilyn Monroe and Laurence Olivier, 546 00:39:02,118 --> 00:39:04,393 and as they came through the gates they're all screaming. 547 00:39:04,718 --> 00:39:08,155 I went by and they said, "Who's that? " and somebody said, "He's just nobody." 548 00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:12,715 - So how did you feel? - Well, just like a nobody. 549 00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:16,870 (Christie) After working with Powell and Pressburger, 550 00:39:16,999 --> 00:39:18,955 Jack had a remarkable career, 551 00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,754 because in quite a short space of time, in less than ten years, 552 00:39:22,839 --> 00:39:26,070 he worked with many of the greatest film-makers in the world. 553 00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,839 It's a real roll call that starts with Hitchcock. 554 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,031 (George Turner) Hitchcock had just made "Rope", 555 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,079 and it was 80 minutes, it was supposedly one take. 556 00:39:42,281 --> 00:39:47,718 A lot of eight-minute and nine-minute takes put together 557 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,674 so that the picture appeared to be in actual time. 558 00:39:50,841 --> 00:39:53,116 (Cardiff) I think Hitch was in love with this idea, 559 00:39:53,241 --> 00:39:55,676 because he felt a certain technical satisfaction. 560 00:39:55,802 --> 00:39:58,190 Ingrid Bergman, she is alleged to have said, 561 00:39:58,361 --> 00:40:01,957 "You care more about the technicalities than you do about the acting." 562 00:40:02,082 --> 00:40:05,154 (Cardiff) He put everything in the preparation of the picture. 563 00:40:05,402 --> 00:40:08,952 He rarely looked through the camera, because he knew what it was getting. 564 00:40:09,123 --> 00:40:11,920 He'd say to me, "Jack, you've got the 35 lens on? " "Yes." 565 00:40:12,042 --> 00:40:16,321 "You're getting the hands in the picture? " He knew what he was getting. 566 00:40:16,523 --> 00:40:19,117 (Handford) It was the first crane of its kind 567 00:40:19,243 --> 00:40:22,201 that ran entirely independent of tracks. 568 00:40:22,443 --> 00:40:26,675 (Cardiff) The camera started in the front of the house, 569 00:40:26,803 --> 00:40:29,238 through the kitchen and then into the drawing room. 570 00:40:29,404 --> 00:40:32,760 Talk, talk, talk, and went into the hall. 571 00:40:32,844 --> 00:40:36,154 (Handford) Parts of the set would have to slide open 572 00:40:36,284 --> 00:40:39,401 to allow the camera crane to go through them. 573 00:40:39,724 --> 00:40:42,193 We'd pan round to where the walls had been closed. 574 00:40:42,365 --> 00:40:47,916 (Cardiff) I had to light six or eight sets, more. Dozens of different positions. 575 00:40:48,044 --> 00:40:50,878 Round and round. Back to the hall. 576 00:40:51,005 --> 00:40:53,235 All in one shot without the camera stopping. 577 00:40:53,405 --> 00:40:57,159 I had electricians holding lamps, and dodging under a table and coming up. 578 00:40:57,325 --> 00:41:01,398 On one occasion we had a shot where we had to go upstairs, 579 00:41:01,685 --> 00:41:03,358 through the door, 580 00:41:03,446 --> 00:41:07,883 and as we approached her bed, we went into a big close-up 581 00:41:08,006 --> 00:41:10,804 when instead of going up, looking down on the bed like that, 582 00:41:10,966 --> 00:41:13,764 which was a cumbersome thing to do, 583 00:41:13,926 --> 00:41:17,681 we approached her straight and the bed was on electronic things, 584 00:41:17,807 --> 00:41:21,196 and as you tracked in, the bed would come up like this, 585 00:41:21,446 --> 00:41:24,962 so that you'd have a big close-up without the camera going too high. 586 00:41:25,167 --> 00:41:28,045 (Handford) It ended up by not being ten-minute takes. 587 00:41:28,207 --> 00:41:32,803 There were some very long takes but it became impractical to do. 588 00:41:32,967 --> 00:41:36,119 (Cardiff) It couldn't possibly be wonderful photography 589 00:41:36,248 --> 00:41:38,762 because everything was a compromise. 590 00:41:38,928 --> 00:41:43,207 But it was really my greatest achievement, in a funny way, 591 00:41:43,409 --> 00:41:46,923 because it was doing the impossible. 592 00:41:48,968 --> 00:41:52,757 I'm just going outside. I may be away some time. 593 00:41:55,769 --> 00:41:57,441 (Wind howls) 594 00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:12,010 It was probably one of the most marvellous pictures I've ever been on, 595 00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:17,763 and I had the luck of having a fantastic cameraman. 596 00:42:31,372 --> 00:42:33,805 (Scorsese) There was something very special and unique 597 00:42:33,971 --> 00:42:36,041 about the English use of Technicolor, 598 00:42:36,211 --> 00:42:39,170 particularly by a man like Cardiff. 599 00:42:39,292 --> 00:42:43,047 That became something else, and had a lot to do with emotion, and painting. 600 00:42:43,213 --> 00:42:46,170 Not to say that the American cinematographers didn't use painting. 601 00:42:46,332 --> 00:42:47,765 They were brilliant. 602 00:42:47,932 --> 00:42:51,721 But how should I put it? That was a different type of commodity. 603 00:42:54,933 --> 00:42:56,160 (Christie) Jack joined Hollywood 604 00:42:56,372 --> 00:43:00,161 at the point at which it really began to march out into the world. 605 00:43:09,133 --> 00:43:11,967 (Christie) I think that was a very exciting moment for a cinematographer, 606 00:43:12,134 --> 00:43:14,853 to be working with those Hollywood film-makers. 607 00:43:15,014 --> 00:43:16,767 He worked with Henry Hathaway. 608 00:43:16,895 --> 00:43:18,726 (Cardiff) He was a toughie. 609 00:43:18,855 --> 00:43:23,292 On "The Black Rose", he fired so many people 610 00:43:23,495 --> 00:43:25,725 that we had a plane called the Hathaway Special 611 00:43:25,855 --> 00:43:29,768 which flew people, every couple of days, that had been fired, back to England. 612 00:43:29,935 --> 00:43:34,884 He would devote his life to that picture. He would die for that picture, you know. 613 00:43:35,015 --> 00:43:38,770 And he expected everyone else to die for the picture. 614 00:43:38,936 --> 00:43:42,928 And if they were not ready to die, he would just crucify them. 615 00:43:43,135 --> 00:43:45,047 (Screams and war cries) 616 00:43:52,257 --> 00:43:56,010 I never saw anyone look less like young gallants going off on a great adventure. 617 00:43:56,176 --> 00:43:57,815 (Cardiff) He said he'd play Genghis Khan 618 00:43:57,977 --> 00:44:03,256 on condition that his coat was lined inside with mink. 619 00:44:03,537 --> 00:44:07,450 They said, "But, Orson, we don't see the mink coat, and it's expensive." 620 00:44:07,777 --> 00:44:09,813 Orson said, "I've got to do it that way." 621 00:44:09,977 --> 00:44:12,776 So, OK, they got the mink and they put it in. 622 00:44:12,898 --> 00:44:15,731 You never saw it inside, the lining inside. 623 00:44:15,858 --> 00:44:18,895 Of course, at the end of the film, when his part was finished, 624 00:44:19,018 --> 00:44:21,168 he slipped off with the coat 625 00:44:21,258 --> 00:44:24,968 and went off to do some more scenes on "Othello" 626 00:44:25,139 --> 00:44:28,734 and turned the coat inside out so that he had the mink coat for "Othello". 627 00:44:28,899 --> 00:44:31,459 What are you stewin' about, mon capitaine? 628 00:44:31,659 --> 00:44:34,093 Bonnard told you where we were going last night. 629 00:44:34,259 --> 00:44:36,454 - Where? - The Sahara Desert. 630 00:44:36,739 --> 00:44:38,298 Straight ahead and turn to your left. 631 00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:42,772 (Cardiff) On the first day of shooting, when John Wayne... 632 00:44:42,979 --> 00:44:47,098 He played the part of a Foreign Legionnaire. 633 00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:50,776 He came on the set and he had... he had a cowboy hat on, 634 00:44:50,941 --> 00:44:55,013 and the holster and the boots and the gun, just like a cowboy. 635 00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:59,777 And I said to Hathaway, "Henry, why is he wearing that cowboy outfit? " 636 00:44:59,901 --> 00:45:01,778 Hathaway looked at me like I was an idiot 637 00:45:01,941 --> 00:45:05,298 and he said, "He always wears the cowboy outfit." 638 00:45:05,501 --> 00:45:09,210 He was always doing the withdrawing-the-gun business, you know, 639 00:45:09,381 --> 00:45:12,818 and flicking it round and flicking it back again. 640 00:45:12,982 --> 00:45:15,860 I did a lot of shots of him doing that. 641 00:45:16,022 --> 00:45:19,059 Someone gave Sophia one of these things you blow and it comes out, 642 00:45:19,222 --> 00:45:20,735 and she loved that. 643 00:45:20,902 --> 00:45:24,816 Hathaway was a wonderful director, 644 00:45:24,983 --> 00:45:31,422 but he was a man who, in a sense, bulldozed his way along. 645 00:45:31,663 --> 00:45:33,381 (Cardiff) He had got far worse on that picture, 646 00:45:33,703 --> 00:45:37,982 because we had this desert, which had to be virgin desert, you know, 647 00:45:38,104 --> 00:45:40,174 no sign of a footprint or anything. 648 00:45:40,464 --> 00:45:44,821 And you can imagine a film unit walking about. He was going crazy. 649 00:45:55,464 --> 00:45:59,174 The English crew were having a cup of tea in this so-called place, 650 00:45:59,425 --> 00:46:02,861 and he'd put up a notice on the board 651 00:46:03,025 --> 00:46:05,937 because he hated the whole idea of the English unit having tea. 652 00:46:06,025 --> 00:46:07,981 He said, "ln future," on the notice board, 653 00:46:08,145 --> 00:46:11,900 "the English crew will drink their tea standing up." 654 00:46:12,026 --> 00:46:14,938 And he said, "Come on, Jack, let's find these locations." 655 00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:19,019 I said, "Henry, you've blown it. You've made a terrible mistake." 656 00:46:19,186 --> 00:46:22,019 He said, "What the hell are you talking about? " and I said, "Well... 657 00:46:22,186 --> 00:46:24,142 "at the moment the English crew respect you. 658 00:46:24,266 --> 00:46:26,656 "They don't particularly like you but they respect you. 659 00:46:26,827 --> 00:46:31,776 "But now you've done that, English tea, forget it, you're a villain from now on." 660 00:46:31,947 --> 00:46:35,906 He said, "Oh, you're full of shit," and he just thought for a moment, 661 00:46:36,027 --> 00:46:38,098 then he turned the car round and drove back, 662 00:46:38,228 --> 00:46:40,821 and he tore the notice board off the screen. 663 00:46:47,308 --> 00:46:52,177 I've got something for you too, and it's my heart, black as it is, but all of it. 664 00:46:52,308 --> 00:46:55,778 The assistant director had come on the set and said, "Flynn's arrived. 665 00:46:55,908 --> 00:46:58,264 "He's gone straight to the bar and he's drinking double whiskies 666 00:46:58,429 --> 00:47:00,738 "followed by beer chasers." 667 00:47:00,869 --> 00:47:04,178 So when I got to the bar and I was introduced to him... 668 00:47:04,308 --> 00:47:09,019 He was never really drunk. He was always slightly sort of pleasantly drunk. 669 00:47:09,189 --> 00:47:13,183 Errol fell ill halfway through "Crossed Swords", 670 00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:16,978 and he collapsed and was taken to hospital, 671 00:47:17,229 --> 00:47:22,941 and the doctor said, "Well, I'm afraid we think he's dying. 672 00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:25,824 "His liver doesn't exist any more. He has no liver." 673 00:47:25,991 --> 00:47:30,666 And the producer said, "You don't understand. We're making a movie." 674 00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:35,780 We carried on shooting with a double. We did mostly Gina's stuff. 675 00:47:35,911 --> 00:47:41,986 And in something like three or four weeks, he came on the set, 676 00:47:42,111 --> 00:47:44,989 and he did look pretty awful but he had survived. 677 00:47:45,912 --> 00:47:47,789 The doctor said, "Well, it's a miracle, 678 00:47:47,952 --> 00:47:50,785 "but, of course, he must never touch a drop of drink again." 679 00:47:50,952 --> 00:47:56,106 And he came on the set with a glass of that much neat vodka, 680 00:47:56,232 --> 00:47:58,827 and as usual...carried on as usual. 681 00:48:04,112 --> 00:48:06,069 You have been studying my style, monsieur! 682 00:48:06,273 --> 00:48:09,709 One has to understand at that time films were still enter... 683 00:48:09,833 --> 00:48:11,949 I was going to say films were still entertainment. 684 00:48:12,074 --> 00:48:13,905 No, today they're entertainment too. 685 00:48:14,114 --> 00:48:17,105 But at that time they were coming out of the old Hollywood system. 686 00:48:17,273 --> 00:48:19,469 There were Westerns, they were genre films, 687 00:48:19,794 --> 00:48:23,184 and Technicolor was used for heightening the genre. 688 00:48:24,314 --> 00:48:29,434 In the '40s and '50s, colour was still relegated to films as a special element, 689 00:48:29,754 --> 00:48:32,029 rather than what happened in the late '60s and the early '70s 690 00:48:32,194 --> 00:48:33,753 where all films became colour. 691 00:48:47,796 --> 00:48:51,231 Jack was suggested by the producer of the picture, 692 00:48:51,395 --> 00:48:54,115 who also happened to be the star. 693 00:48:54,236 --> 00:48:56,750 That's Kirk Douglas. 694 00:48:57,956 --> 00:49:00,790 (Kirk Douglas) The shooting was very difficult. 695 00:49:00,917 --> 00:49:03,988 It seemed to be raining all the time. 696 00:49:04,196 --> 00:49:07,234 And once, in exasperation, 697 00:49:07,357 --> 00:49:11,191 I asked one of the young Norwegian kids, 698 00:49:11,357 --> 00:49:15,350 "Hey, does it rain all the time here? " 699 00:49:15,517 --> 00:49:19,397 He said, "l don't know. I'm only 1 8 years old." 700 00:49:20,838 --> 00:49:23,671 (Cardiff) I suggested to Dick, "Why don't we shoot in the rain? 701 00:49:23,798 --> 00:49:26,392 "Because these Vikings are tough guys, you know, 702 00:49:26,518 --> 00:49:28,986 "and they would be out in all weathers." 703 00:49:29,198 --> 00:49:32,110 Dick agreed and Kirk Douglas was overjoyed, 704 00:49:32,238 --> 00:49:35,993 because it means that we could shoot, wouldn't lose so much money. 705 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:40,038 But as people know in the film business, ordinary rain doesn't photograph. 706 00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:43,874 So we had to supplement it with hoses coming down. 707 00:49:43,999 --> 00:49:46,150 The local villagers thought we were out of our minds. 708 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,311 It was already raining and we were adding rain to it. 709 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,475 But it worked very well. 710 00:49:50,799 --> 00:49:53,155 Kirk Douglas, he liked doing his own stunts. 711 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,077 In fact, he was a very good... 712 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,915 He had a good sense of timing and all the things that are good in a stunt man. 713 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,237 - He does the shot walking on the oars. - That's right. 714 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,436 He fell in once or twice but he soon got the hang of it. 715 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,070 But that was considered a must, that he had to fall off, 716 00:50:07,241 --> 00:50:09,755 cos he was too perfect, in fact. 717 00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:15,761 When he climbs up the wall of the castle, after having thrown the axe, 718 00:50:15,881 --> 00:50:17,792 he climbed himself. 719 00:50:24,322 --> 00:50:25,720 (Fleischer) With Jack's ingenuity, 720 00:50:25,841 --> 00:50:29,960 we were able to do some pretty remarkable shots. 721 00:50:30,042 --> 00:50:34,275 And looking at the film now, I'm really astounded at how well they turned out, 722 00:50:34,443 --> 00:50:36,354 knowing how they were made, 723 00:50:36,483 --> 00:50:40,192 which is really with spit and cardboard and some rubber bands, 724 00:50:40,403 --> 00:50:42,473 and it worked great. 725 00:50:46,323 --> 00:50:50,396 Jack and I were very worried, how are we gonna make this scene, 726 00:50:50,763 --> 00:50:56,760 where you have all the Viking ships going into a fog bank and disappearing. 727 00:50:56,884 --> 00:51:01,241 And it's essential to the story that you have that scene. 728 00:51:01,404 --> 00:51:03,679 And Jack solved the problem with us. 729 00:51:03,844 --> 00:51:06,803 He said, "lf we could just get a patch of fog, 730 00:51:07,005 --> 00:51:10,395 "where the ships go into the patch of fog, 731 00:51:10,725 --> 00:51:15,276 "that's all I really need, and I'll make up the rest of the fog, 732 00:51:15,445 --> 00:51:17,276 "I'll make my own filter, 733 00:51:17,565 --> 00:51:21,036 "and paint it, a white filter, 734 00:51:21,206 --> 00:51:24,402 "which we'll just put up in front of the camera and leave a square, 735 00:51:24,525 --> 00:51:27,086 "where the real fog is." 736 00:51:27,246 --> 00:51:29,999 And that's what we did. 737 00:51:30,166 --> 00:51:34,718 And it's absolutely convincing. It's a fantastic shot. 738 00:51:34,887 --> 00:51:37,764 Every time I see it, I get a chill, knowing how it was made, 739 00:51:37,886 --> 00:51:40,447 but also the beauty of the shot. 740 00:51:43,047 --> 00:51:48,485 Jack, certainly, looking at his work, and having worked with him, 741 00:51:48,767 --> 00:51:54,798 is probably the greatest colour photographer that ever lived. 742 00:51:57,288 --> 00:52:00,199 (Cardiff) Turner, well, I mean, he was the perfect cameraman. 743 00:52:00,367 --> 00:52:02,120 If he'd been alive today, 744 00:52:02,248 --> 00:52:05,285 he would have been probably the best cameraman in the world. 745 00:52:05,568 --> 00:52:10,006 I mean the way that he got dramatic emphasis by over-lighting things 746 00:52:10,129 --> 00:52:14,008 which takes courage, with a cameraman, anyway, 747 00:52:14,209 --> 00:52:16,803 but he had plenty of courage, you can see that. 748 00:52:16,929 --> 00:52:21,321 I mean, that church is burnt out but it's so dramatic. 749 00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:25,408 I wouldn't start to dare to compare myself to what Turner did, 750 00:52:25,769 --> 00:52:28,079 but I learnt a lot of lessons from Turner. 751 00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:31,163 You should go out and do something that's different and bold, 752 00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:34,727 and that's the whole essence of photography, in a sense. 753 00:52:39,690 --> 00:52:43,400 We wanted an extreme long shot, with a wide-angle lens, 754 00:52:43,531 --> 00:52:46,091 of the duel in the snow, 755 00:52:46,251 --> 00:52:48,811 and these two guys facing each other, long shot. 756 00:52:48,931 --> 00:52:51,764 But, of course, long shot, we saw the spot rails, 757 00:52:51,891 --> 00:52:55,248 so I had this idea of putting a piece of glass in front of the camera, 758 00:52:55,452 --> 00:52:57,329 about six feet away. 759 00:52:57,452 --> 00:53:00,045 I painted the glass, in other words, the same colour. 760 00:53:00,251 --> 00:53:04,404 Then behind my shoulder I put a little lamp that shone into the glass 761 00:53:04,532 --> 00:53:06,363 Iike a reflection of the sun. 762 00:53:06,612 --> 00:53:10,049 But the first attempt I made, I was using the sprayer, 763 00:53:10,213 --> 00:53:12,407 and I overdid it, and the paint was running down the glass, 764 00:53:12,532 --> 00:53:15,491 and Dino de Laurentiis the producer came on the set and said, 765 00:53:15,813 --> 00:53:19,249 "Cardiff, what do you do? Wasting time! What do you do? " 766 00:53:19,453 --> 00:53:23,412 I said, "I'm painting the glass," and he said... 767 00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:25,410 He was furious and walked off the stage. 768 00:53:25,613 --> 00:53:30,369 But later, it was a very effective shot and he was showing it to everybody. 769 00:53:41,054 --> 00:53:44,809 (Voiceover) Of all the love stories France has given to the world, 770 00:53:44,895 --> 00:53:47,454 this is the one to live in your memory. 771 00:53:47,774 --> 00:53:50,414 (Cardiff) I had a call from New York from Josh Logan. 772 00:53:50,535 --> 00:53:54,289 He said, "Jack, I want you to photograph 'Fanny'."' 773 00:53:54,415 --> 00:53:55,929 I loved the film. 774 00:53:56,056 --> 00:53:59,127 It was great fun working with Maurice Chevalier and Leslie Caron. 775 00:54:16,417 --> 00:54:19,250 (Turner) One of the most beautifully photographed pictures 776 00:54:19,377 --> 00:54:21,767 of this whole canon 777 00:54:21,937 --> 00:54:24,405 would be "Pandora And The Flying Dutchman"... 778 00:54:24,537 --> 00:54:26,414 When do you want to marry me, Steve? 779 00:54:26,737 --> 00:54:29,969 ...which was produced and directed by Albert Lewin, 780 00:54:30,058 --> 00:54:33,289 who'd had a big success with "The Picture Of Dorian Gray". 781 00:54:33,458 --> 00:54:35,892 (Scorsese) "Pandora And The Flying Dutchman" was a unique film. 782 00:54:36,058 --> 00:54:38,413 It had fantasy and exotic locations. 783 00:54:38,538 --> 00:54:41,132 I am predisposed to that, mainly because of where I come from. 784 00:54:41,298 --> 00:54:43,210 Neo-realism I had right around me. 785 00:54:43,379 --> 00:54:47,132 If I wanted to go to a movie, I wanted to see something more fantastical. 786 00:54:47,258 --> 00:54:51,889 (James Mason) With one bloody blow, I killed all that I loved on God's earth. 787 00:54:52,059 --> 00:54:54,812 (Music drowns speech) 788 00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:58,737 (Scorsese) It was so romantic, you know, it was so romantic. 789 00:54:58,859 --> 00:55:00,451 It took you to another world. 790 00:55:00,779 --> 00:55:02,418 There was something about the way it looked 791 00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:05,816 which put in my mind Powell and Pressburger. 792 00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:09,250 Faith is a lie and God himself is chaos! 793 00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:10,819 Silence! 794 00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:15,132 It had the magical quality of Ava Gardner as almost a mystical figure, 795 00:55:15,261 --> 00:55:17,695 a mystical sexuality. 796 00:55:19,101 --> 00:55:20,454 Hello? 797 00:55:20,781 --> 00:55:24,410 (Cardiff) She said, "Jack, I'm pleased you're gonna photograph me, 798 00:55:24,541 --> 00:55:28,375 "but you have to watch when I have my periods, because I don't look so good."' 799 00:55:28,581 --> 00:55:32,211 I said, "I'll look after that."' That was the first thing she said to me. 800 00:55:32,422 --> 00:55:37,780 Al Lewin used to do take after take, not that he really wanted to do another take, 801 00:55:37,942 --> 00:55:42,778 but he just wanted to keep going so he could gaze into Ava's face. 802 00:55:42,903 --> 00:55:46,815 And in a way that's true. I've changed so since I've known you. 803 00:55:46,902 --> 00:55:49,895 (Cardiff) He said, "l want you to go to Wallace Heaton's in Bond Street 804 00:55:50,063 --> 00:55:52,213 "and buy yourself a 1 6mm camera."' 805 00:55:52,383 --> 00:55:56,854 Which I have here, and it's just about the cheapest one you can get. 806 00:55:57,023 --> 00:55:58,217 (Whirring) 807 00:55:58,383 --> 00:56:02,821 And I took it out to Africa on "African Queen". 808 00:56:02,984 --> 00:56:05,020 Well, I've taken it on many films. 809 00:56:13,464 --> 00:56:17,174 A little to starboard, Miss! No, no, the other way! 810 00:56:23,345 --> 00:56:26,815 (Cardiff) John Huston had the idea of doing the whole thing in Africa, 811 00:56:26,945 --> 00:56:29,904 and he said it was going to be so easy. 812 00:56:30,026 --> 00:56:35,019 Huston went out there and said he didn't like that location, it was too pretty. 813 00:56:35,225 --> 00:56:38,024 He disappeared for a couple of weeks and we wondered what had happened, 814 00:56:38,226 --> 00:56:40,296 whether he'd been eaten by crocodiles, 815 00:56:40,466 --> 00:56:43,743 but he then sent a telegram saying he'd found the perfect place 816 00:56:43,866 --> 00:56:46,175 in the Belgian Congo. 817 00:56:46,266 --> 00:56:49,737 It was right in nowhere land. 818 00:56:49,867 --> 00:56:53,177 It was called Biondo, this place, and it was beyond anywhere. 819 00:56:53,307 --> 00:56:56,663 It was two days' Jeep ride from Stanleyville. 820 00:56:56,827 --> 00:56:59,136 He was not always thrilled with the choice of locations 821 00:56:59,307 --> 00:57:02,379 because if there was an impossible location to be found, 822 00:57:02,587 --> 00:57:04,897 John Huston was the man to find it. 823 00:57:05,068 --> 00:57:06,421 I was there for the whole shoot, 824 00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:11,019 and I think Jack had tremendous admiration for John. 825 00:57:11,148 --> 00:57:15,983 John always tried to get almost impossible shots, 826 00:57:16,068 --> 00:57:17,741 really difficult ones, 827 00:57:17,909 --> 00:57:20,024 and Jack always got what he wanted. 828 00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:48,380 (Kevin McClory) Huston was quite easy-going, in a way. 829 00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:55,222 But ever, beneath the casual kind of attitude, was the artist, 830 00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:57,422 was the perfectionist. 831 00:57:57,751 --> 00:58:01,300 He had the utmost regard for Jack, that I know, 832 00:58:01,471 --> 00:58:05,021 because they basically talked the same language. 833 00:58:06,072 --> 00:58:08,790 (Cardiff) We were towing this raft, 834 00:58:08,911 --> 00:58:12,825 and we had Katherine Hepburn's little place as a dressing room. 835 00:58:12,952 --> 00:58:15,420 I had a tiny generator for my two lamps. 836 00:58:15,672 --> 00:58:18,028 I only had two lamps on the picture. 837 00:58:18,153 --> 00:58:20,461 And one or two others, the sound department, had it. 838 00:58:20,792 --> 00:58:24,183 So it was a string of little boats being towed along. 839 00:58:24,273 --> 00:58:28,027 Of course, when we came to a corner, they were like a row of sausages, 840 00:58:28,233 --> 00:58:31,669 and they couldn't turn so we would crash into the bank. 841 00:58:31,833 --> 00:58:36,384 (McClory) You could find yourself with one leg, on "The African Queen", 842 00:58:36,513 --> 00:58:39,790 on the boat with Katie and Bogie sitting down there, 843 00:58:39,914 --> 00:58:41,870 and your other leg up on the bank of a river, 844 00:58:42,074 --> 00:58:45,146 holding a boom like that over them and liable to go in, 845 00:58:45,314 --> 00:58:49,432 and in those rivers were rather nasty creatures. 846 00:58:49,834 --> 00:58:53,953 (Cardiff) In Uganda on Lake Victoria, we were all sick, very, very sick. 847 00:58:54,035 --> 00:58:59,029 I mean all kinds of dysentery, all kinds of vomiting, everything. 848 00:58:59,275 --> 00:59:02,426 (Bacall) Sam Spiegel, our friend and our producer, came to the location. 849 00:59:02,555 --> 00:59:06,309 He was furious cos the movie had to shut down for three days. 850 00:59:06,515 --> 00:59:10,304 We got yet another doctor to look at it and he found exactly what was wrong, 851 00:59:10,476 --> 00:59:12,353 that the filter, the water filter... 852 00:59:12,476 --> 00:59:15,707 We were on a houseboat, you see, and the filter wasn't there. 853 00:59:15,876 --> 00:59:21,109 So we were drinking just river water with the droppings of hippos and crocodiles. 854 00:59:21,356 --> 00:59:25,669 And the only two persons who weren't sick was Bogie and John Huston 855 00:59:25,837 --> 00:59:28,397 because they never touched water, they only drank whisky. 856 00:59:28,597 --> 00:59:32,385 - I could give you a hand. - Close your eyes, please, Mr Allnut. 857 00:59:34,517 --> 00:59:36,826 I'm all right. I'm all right. 858 00:59:36,957 --> 00:59:39,153 (Cardiff) Hepburn was an incredible lady. 859 00:59:39,278 --> 00:59:41,030 She was very strong-minded, 860 00:59:41,198 --> 00:59:45,271 and in some ways she didn't want to be regarded as a frail woman. 861 00:59:45,438 --> 00:59:50,672 She wanted to be tough and accepted as a woman of character and courage. 862 00:59:50,839 --> 00:59:54,228 She did go in the jungle and she was a very, very brave woman. 863 00:59:54,398 --> 00:59:56,832 Ain't no person in their right mind ain't scared of white water. 864 00:59:56,998 --> 01:00:01,038 I never dreamed that any mere physical experience could be so stimulating. 865 01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:02,154 How's that, Miss? 866 01:00:02,279 --> 01:00:06,272 (Cardiff) Bogie, of course, put on this big act that he was a tough guy. 867 01:00:06,479 --> 01:00:09,437 I mean, he told me at the beginning about makeup. 868 01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:11,471 He said, "Jack, see this face? 869 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,110 "It's taken me many years to get all these lines and crinkles in it. 870 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,159 "That's the way I want it. Don't light me up and make me look like a goddam fag. 871 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,153 "l want to look like this."' So I did it. 872 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,035 (Bacall) Bogie was not an actor who cared much about the way he looked. 873 01:00:26,161 --> 01:00:29,038 But he appreciated good photography. 874 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:34,434 And he loved effective photography that worked for the story. 875 01:00:34,681 --> 01:00:39,153 (Bogart's character) I wrote and directed ll three of the movies Maria was in, 876 01:00:39,282 --> 01:00:42,193 her short, full career from start to finish. 877 01:00:42,321 --> 01:00:44,961 (Scorsese) It was a frightening film for a young person to see. 878 01:00:45,082 --> 01:00:48,392 I'll never forget the opening scenes in the graveyard in the rain. 879 01:00:48,682 --> 01:00:50,912 And his colour, his use of colour, 880 01:00:51,083 --> 01:00:53,915 particularly when they're in Monte Carlo or on the yacht. 881 01:00:54,042 --> 01:00:57,273 She unveils, in a sense, and Edmond O'Brien, all the guys, just look at her. 882 01:00:57,522 --> 01:00:59,514 It's an extraordinary picture. 883 01:00:59,843 --> 01:01:02,835 (Voiceover) The world's number-one symbol of desirability 884 01:01:03,003 --> 01:01:06,200 on display all over the world's number-one showroom 885 01:01:06,323 --> 01:01:09,235 with the world's number-one customers wanting to buy, 886 01:01:09,403 --> 01:01:12,202 and nobody wrapped her up and took her home. 887 01:01:12,364 --> 01:01:15,481 (Cardiff) Oh, she was gorgeous, of course. She was so good-looking. 888 01:01:15,804 --> 01:01:19,922 I was on location with that one as well, and that... 889 01:01:20,084 --> 01:01:23,713 Yeah, but I think that Ava Gardner was certainly not hard to photograph. 890 01:01:23,844 --> 01:01:29,043 I mean, Bogie may have been, but Ava was such a great beauty. 891 01:01:29,204 --> 01:01:36,122 (Cardiff) The first time I met her, she was very happy with Frank Sinatra. 892 01:01:36,245 --> 01:01:39,840 The next time I worked with her, she was leaving Frank. 893 01:01:40,005 --> 01:01:44,955 Something had gone wrong and she was taking Soneryl to sleep 894 01:01:45,166 --> 01:01:48,397 and that made her a bit sleepy, the eyes had to be looked after, 895 01:01:48,526 --> 01:01:50,323 so I was lighting her more carefully. 896 01:01:50,486 --> 01:01:56,038 And it is a fact, they rely on the cameramen very much. 897 01:01:56,206 --> 01:01:59,836 I think I am pretty enough, but I would not want to be that kind of star. 898 01:01:59,967 --> 01:02:04,084 Pretty enough? Any woman that can use the moon for a key light... 899 01:02:04,326 --> 01:02:06,887 Key light? What is that? 900 01:02:07,007 --> 01:02:08,884 That's your light when the stage is all lit up, 901 01:02:09,047 --> 01:02:11,163 the light that shines only on you. 902 01:02:11,407 --> 01:02:14,844 You took a lot ofiportraits ofiactresses, didn'tyou, over the years? 903 01:02:14,968 --> 01:02:17,197 - Yes, I had... - Could we have a look at those? 904 01:02:17,327 --> 01:02:20,877 I used to take them usually in the lunch hour. 905 01:02:21,048 --> 01:02:25,281 And, um...I only had time to do a few. 906 01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:36,480 Audrey Hepburn was one I did on "War And Peace". 907 01:02:39,449 --> 01:02:45,320 That's a typical type of lighting, of light, dark, light, dark, you see. 908 01:02:45,490 --> 01:02:47,526 Dark, light, dark, light. 909 01:02:47,890 --> 01:02:51,086 - What's the name ofithat again? - Chiaroscuro. 910 01:03:05,491 --> 01:03:07,288 Pierre. 911 01:03:20,532 --> 01:03:24,320 (Cardiff) I tried to photograph them as many times as possible 912 01:03:24,492 --> 01:03:29,441 to get used to their face and study any kind of flaws and things. 913 01:03:29,772 --> 01:03:32,731 Janet Leigh? That was on "The Vikings". 914 01:03:33,493 --> 01:03:37,850 And then we have Anita Ekberg, who had a lovely face. 915 01:03:38,492 --> 01:03:41,053 And that was on "War And Peace". 916 01:03:48,814 --> 01:03:52,489 They all had different qualities. I mean, Loren had the most gorgeous eyes. 917 01:03:52,814 --> 01:03:54,532 Very expressive eyes. 918 01:03:55,574 --> 01:04:00,365 Audrey Hepburn had these very thick eyebrows, which was... 919 01:04:00,495 --> 01:04:04,328 She made a fashion out of that, and she made a fashion out of many things. 920 01:04:06,935 --> 01:04:09,051 That's Sophia Loren, 921 01:04:10,255 --> 01:04:11,734 with a big hat. 922 01:04:11,855 --> 01:04:16,212 This is when I became like an amateur enthusiast who takes pictures. 923 01:04:16,335 --> 01:04:19,487 Why does he take them? He likes to take pictures, you know. 924 01:04:19,816 --> 01:04:21,852 And these women were beautiful women. 925 01:04:22,016 --> 01:04:23,972 And, you know, like you collect stamps, 926 01:04:24,096 --> 01:04:28,135 I collected beautiful women, photographically, of course. 927 01:04:28,376 --> 01:04:30,731 Marilyn was always sort of perfectly made up 928 01:04:30,896 --> 01:04:34,492 and she had a face which was virtually perfect. 929 01:04:34,777 --> 01:04:39,406 She had a slightly tipped-up nose, which was very attractive. 930 01:04:39,617 --> 01:04:42,734 She specifiically asked fioryou once. What was that? 931 01:04:42,897 --> 01:04:46,288 Well, that was because I was in vogue. 932 01:04:46,458 --> 01:04:49,177 It's almost like footballers that are getting around. 933 01:04:49,297 --> 01:04:53,211 They want a certain footballer to be in a certain position 934 01:04:53,338 --> 01:04:56,455 and they find out that that's the best man, they get them. 935 01:04:56,698 --> 01:05:00,089 I don't know. And she asked for me, and I was very flattered. 936 01:05:00,299 --> 01:05:01,890 You have pretty eyebrows. 937 01:05:02,058 --> 01:05:06,051 Love. What a universe of joy and pain lies in that little word. 938 01:05:10,339 --> 01:05:13,411 Larry was...he was supposed to be in that position. 939 01:05:13,539 --> 01:05:16,212 But he wanted to look through the camera to see what the shot was. 940 01:05:16,339 --> 01:05:19,012 - He was directing. - He wanted to see what the shot was. 941 01:05:19,139 --> 01:05:23,975 So I took his position and Marilyn put her arms round me like that, 942 01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:27,456 and later on she wrote, "Jack, I'll tell you what we'll do," 943 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:31,169 and Arthur Miller, the husband, said, "Oh, no, you don't," so that was that. 944 01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:34,213 - What were you gonna do? - I don't know. 945 01:05:34,421 --> 01:05:36,537 It was a tough job for him because she was... 946 01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:40,371 I think she was a darling girl in many instances, 947 01:05:40,541 --> 01:05:42,896 but she...she had a lot of problems... 948 01:05:43,021 --> 01:05:45,296 - Do you reverse? - Just try me! 949 01:05:45,541 --> 01:05:50,774 She would come on the set very late, and it was a tough picture to do. 950 01:05:54,822 --> 01:05:57,256 (Voiceover) Between Marilyn and Olivier, who also directed, 951 01:05:57,342 --> 01:05:59,537 there were occasional reports of strain. 952 01:06:00,582 --> 01:06:02,732 (Cardiff) We had a wonderful make-up man, Whitey, 953 01:06:02,902 --> 01:06:05,052 who was with her for years. 954 01:06:05,222 --> 01:06:07,862 When she died, there was an urgent call to New York, 955 01:06:07,983 --> 01:06:11,134 for he was in New York at the time, and he had to fly back, 956 01:06:11,303 --> 01:06:15,012 because it was in the contract he had to make her up when she was dead. 957 01:06:15,223 --> 01:06:19,455 The idea of making up this gorgeous creature when she was dead, 958 01:06:19,583 --> 01:06:22,974 and putting on the lipstick and the usual thing, it was a tough break. 959 01:06:23,104 --> 01:06:27,063 He told me he had to have a couple of stiff drinks before he started. 960 01:06:33,104 --> 01:06:36,380 Some weeks ago, I had a celebration party, 961 01:06:36,504 --> 01:06:39,223 celebrating my 80 years in the cinema. 962 01:06:40,184 --> 01:06:43,541 No matter how good the cameraman is, or thinks he is, 963 01:06:43,865 --> 01:06:48,416 he's got to serve the director, that's absolutely important. 964 01:06:48,545 --> 01:06:53,335 The director has to be the one who has the responsibility for the final film. 965 01:06:53,505 --> 01:06:57,385 (Speaks French) 966 01:06:57,506 --> 01:07:02,136 (Fleischer) It became apparent when we were doing "The Vikings" 967 01:07:02,306 --> 01:07:07,096 that Jack really was very interested in the actors 968 01:07:07,267 --> 01:07:09,462 and in the direction of the picture. 969 01:07:09,707 --> 01:07:15,100 Jack had every potential of being an excellent director, 970 01:07:15,267 --> 01:07:17,223 and we discussed that, 971 01:07:17,427 --> 01:07:23,536 and as a matter of fact, I let him direct one short scene in "The Vikings", 972 01:07:23,827 --> 01:07:28,140 just to see how he handled it, 973 01:07:28,308 --> 01:07:31,220 and how he felt directing a film. 974 01:07:31,388 --> 01:07:34,222 (Cardiff) I worked on a couple of B pictures, 975 01:07:34,389 --> 01:07:37,300 and the first one, the critics said, in effect, 976 01:07:37,548 --> 01:07:41,064 why on earth did I want to be a mediocre director 977 01:07:41,229 --> 01:07:43,140 when I'd been on top as a cameraman. 978 01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:47,301 And they suggested that I went back to photography as soon as I could. 979 01:07:47,468 --> 01:07:50,381 Anyway, soon after that I got the big break on "Sons & Lovers". 980 01:07:50,589 --> 01:07:52,341 (Rumbling) 981 01:07:58,669 --> 01:08:00,466 What is it? 982 01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:04,387 It's the mine. 983 01:08:10,590 --> 01:08:14,425 I thought "Sons & Lovers" did a marvellous job. 984 01:08:14,551 --> 01:08:19,306 Some of them don't make the transition very well, do they? But he did. 985 01:08:19,511 --> 01:08:23,140 (Voiceover) Local people, many of them from mining families, became actors, 986 01:08:23,311 --> 01:08:26,030 to help recreate a mining disaster. 987 01:08:26,151 --> 01:08:27,743 Jack Cardiff was the director. 988 01:08:27,912 --> 01:08:31,871 (Yates) I do think that cinematographers are inclined to be suspected 989 01:08:31,992 --> 01:08:34,870 of concentrating on the look of the picture, 990 01:08:34,992 --> 01:08:37,506 which I don't think Jack did, 991 01:08:37,792 --> 01:08:40,306 and I think that he was very clever 992 01:08:40,472 --> 01:08:43,306 to want to work with Freddie Francis, 993 01:08:43,433 --> 01:08:48,826 who was a very established cameraman at that time. 994 01:08:48,953 --> 01:08:52,423 I'd just done a film for Jack Clayton, called "Room At The Top", 995 01:08:52,713 --> 01:08:57,912 and I guess Jack liked the look of that and decided he'd like me to do his film. 996 01:08:58,113 --> 01:09:01,230 Either that, or he thought I was cheap. I can't remember. 997 01:09:01,434 --> 01:09:05,347 (Cardiff) I would never go to Freddie and say, "ls the back light a bit hot? " 998 01:09:05,554 --> 01:09:07,385 Whatever. I would never say anything. 999 01:09:08,395 --> 01:09:12,387 (Christie) It's a beautifully lit and beautifully directed black-and-white film. 1000 01:09:12,514 --> 01:09:14,027 It's one of the classics 1001 01:09:14,154 --> 01:09:18,034 of British black-and-white cinematography of the postwar period. 1002 01:09:20,475 --> 01:09:22,272 Forgive me. 1003 01:09:22,435 --> 01:09:25,791 Forgive you? I love you. 1004 01:09:25,955 --> 01:09:28,550 I always thought, being a southerner, 1005 01:09:28,756 --> 01:09:33,068 I always thought that going up north, it was dreary and dark like that, 1006 01:09:33,236 --> 01:09:35,386 so I was quite happy to shoot it that way. 1007 01:09:38,196 --> 01:09:40,426 (Voiceover) Action, and the local actors jump to it, 1008 01:09:40,596 --> 01:09:44,385 producing a scene which will be one of the highlights of the film. 1009 01:09:56,238 --> 01:09:58,751 You fioundyourselfi nominatedfiorbest direction 1010 01:09:58,917 --> 01:10:00,396 at the American Academy A wards, 1011 01:10:00,517 --> 01:10:03,510 alongside Alfired Hitchcock. who'd done "Psycho "that year. 1012 01:10:03,838 --> 01:10:06,750 - I 'd worked with him, as you know. - And he'd seen "Sons & Lovers ". 1013 01:10:06,918 --> 01:10:08,557 He said, "I've seen 'Sons & Lovers'."' 1014 01:10:08,838 --> 01:10:11,511 He said, "lt was bloody good."' 1015 01:10:11,838 --> 01:10:16,435 He looked at me as much to say, "How could you make such a good film? " 1016 01:10:16,519 --> 01:10:19,033 Because to him, I was a cameraman, you know. 1017 01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:20,796 Mother! We're here! 1018 01:10:21,478 --> 01:10:25,108 - Hey! - Come on, Paul! 1019 01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:27,469 - Go on. - Quickly, quickly. 1020 01:10:27,799 --> 01:10:30,314 They'll be waiting to see us. 1021 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,877 (Cardiff) It had a tremendous reception and I felt this was really something, 1022 01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:38,350 that the lights were coming on and everyone was applauding. 1023 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:44,908 And Buddy Adler, who was the chief of 20th Century Fox, whispered in my ear, 1024 01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,074 "Jack, you must enjoy every moment of this. It may never happen to you again."' 1025 01:10:49,201 --> 01:10:52,273 In fact it never happened quite as good as that. 1026 01:10:53,521 --> 01:10:55,318 Didyou see "Sons & Lovers"? 1027 01:10:55,521 --> 01:10:59,434 Of course. That's a beautiful film. I have a print of it, a Scope print of it. 1028 01:10:59,561 --> 01:11:03,396 And I liked...I liked "Sons & Lovers". 1029 01:11:03,522 --> 01:11:07,401 "Young Cassidy" I like a great deal. I have a print of that also. 1030 01:11:07,602 --> 01:11:09,911 (Shouting) 1031 01:11:11,122 --> 01:11:14,034 (Horse whinnying) 1032 01:11:16,683 --> 01:11:20,470 - We'll win freedom yet, you bastards! - Shut up and get back! 1033 01:11:41,444 --> 01:11:43,037 2 take 3. 1034 01:11:43,245 --> 01:11:47,283 Was it hardfioryou to go back to cinematography after "Sons & Lovers "? 1035 01:11:47,444 --> 01:11:49,356 Not really. I've always loved photography anyway. 1036 01:11:49,525 --> 01:11:53,916 And that was the time after that, some years after that, that... 1037 01:11:54,125 --> 01:11:56,195 I made about a dozen films in all, 1038 01:11:56,325 --> 01:11:59,203 and then the film business in England, as you know, more or less collapsed. 1039 01:11:59,325 --> 01:12:01,475 There was no work at all. 1040 01:12:03,406 --> 01:12:11,165 (Fleisher) I think it was...must have been a very wrenching, angst-ridden decision, 1041 01:12:11,326 --> 01:12:17,766 and I really felt for him when he had to do it, in one way. 1042 01:12:17,927 --> 01:12:20,520 In the other way, I was happy because I grabbed him immediately 1043 01:12:20,846 --> 01:12:27,195 to be the cinematographer on the next picture that I made. 1044 01:12:27,327 --> 01:12:30,047 Your Majesty, I'm not the Prince of Wales. 1045 01:12:30,208 --> 01:12:31,959 (Laughing) 1046 01:12:44,848 --> 01:12:49,319 There are good cameramen and fast cameramen. 1047 01:12:49,488 --> 01:12:52,845 There are very few good and fast, and Jack was one of them. 1048 01:12:53,009 --> 01:12:56,888 That one's "The Red Shoes" andthat's "Rambo", 1049 01:12:56,969 --> 01:12:59,164 and I think mostpeople are very surprised 1050 01:12:59,329 --> 01:13:04,085 that a CV could incorporate "The Red Shoes "in the late '40s 1051 01:13:04,250 --> 01:13:05,524 and "Rambo "in the '80s. 1052 01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:07,487 I had fun on the " Rambo" picture. 1053 01:13:09,129 --> 01:13:11,280 (Groaning) 1054 01:13:11,410 --> 01:13:13,480 (Coughs) 1055 01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:17,167 I see you are not a stranger to pain. 1056 01:13:18,930 --> 01:13:21,490 Perhaps you have been among my Vietnamese comrades before. 1057 01:13:21,690 --> 01:13:23,522 (Cardiff) A totally different ball game then, 1058 01:13:23,811 --> 01:13:28,885 because, with Sylvester Stallone, he was very masculine, very tough, 1059 01:13:29,051 --> 01:13:32,202 and the film that I made with him was a toughie. 1060 01:13:32,371 --> 01:13:36,569 I couldn't try any beautiful composition or anything. Everything was tough. 1061 01:13:36,932 --> 01:13:38,285 But it was successful. 1062 01:13:42,051 --> 01:13:43,279 Hurgh! 1063 01:13:46,212 --> 01:13:48,282 (Fleischer) Jack was the same 1064 01:13:48,532 --> 01:13:54,482 dedicated, brilliant creator that he always was. 1065 01:13:54,612 --> 01:13:56,523 He didn't change in all that time, 1066 01:13:56,852 --> 01:13:59,287 and he put the same amount of enthusiasm 1067 01:13:59,493 --> 01:14:01,529 and extreme professionalism 1068 01:14:01,893 --> 01:14:06,489 into the last film he made as he did in the very first. 1069 01:14:06,733 --> 01:14:10,886 The only other cameraman I worked with who was that fast and that good 1070 01:14:11,054 --> 01:14:12,965 is Sven Nykvist. 1071 01:14:13,134 --> 01:14:16,206 Sven is lightning-fast and so is Jack. 1072 01:14:24,895 --> 01:14:29,093 He had this box of filters and he always carried it with him. 1073 01:14:29,255 --> 01:14:32,088 We were up in North Mexico, in the desert, 1074 01:14:32,255 --> 01:14:36,168 and the sky was really bad, it was like all grey, and there was nothing there, 1075 01:14:36,335 --> 01:14:40,887 so he pulled out a little thing and started painting, and he put it in the camera, 1076 01:14:41,056 --> 01:14:45,891 and all of a sudden instead of being a grey sky, he made it magical, you know? 1077 01:14:46,056 --> 01:14:47,284 He's just a genius. 1078 01:14:47,576 --> 01:14:49,328 (Music playing) 1079 01:14:58,137 --> 01:15:00,128 (Cardiff) Today there's a big difference. 1080 01:15:00,377 --> 01:15:04,973 The days when I was working on "Red Shoes", with all these effects, 1081 01:15:05,137 --> 01:15:07,492 and any film which had a lot of effects, 1082 01:15:07,617 --> 01:15:09,972 I wanted very much to do it myself, 1083 01:15:10,137 --> 01:15:13,289 even if it meant, like I said before, breathing on a lens to have a fade-in 1084 01:15:13,418 --> 01:15:15,136 through mist or whatever. 1085 01:15:15,298 --> 01:15:20,213 But nowadays anything that comes up, like a shot, is going to be made, 1086 01:15:20,338 --> 01:15:22,568 which is really fantastic, 1087 01:15:22,898 --> 01:15:25,811 they say, "Jack, don't worry about that, special effects will do that."' 1088 01:15:25,939 --> 01:15:28,896 So I've always felt a bit left... Ieft in the lurch. 1089 01:15:29,098 --> 01:15:35,447 Digital imagery looks real, but it lacks an authenticity, 1090 01:15:35,579 --> 01:15:39,937 it lacks the used feeling in a way, it lacks the feeling that you're really there. 1091 01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,329 (Voiceover) Andthen the attack. 1092 01:15:42,539 --> 01:15:45,338 (Scorsese) But what I'm saying now won't matter at all, 1093 01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:49,254 because, er...it's already gone, it's all finished. 1094 01:15:49,460 --> 01:15:51,577 (Voiceover) Today this scene you see being fiilmed 1095 01:15:51,741 --> 01:15:54,334 has been processed in Technicolor. 1096 01:16:04,581 --> 01:16:08,574 (Fleischer) And cinematography is definitely an art form, 1097 01:16:08,901 --> 01:16:14,215 and it is, I think, the main art of the 20th century. 1098 01:16:14,342 --> 01:16:16,297 There's no question that it is, 1099 01:16:16,461 --> 01:16:20,853 because it involves every element of art plus one, which is movement. 1100 01:16:25,423 --> 01:16:28,141 (Scorsese) I would like to think it's an art form, 1101 01:16:28,302 --> 01:16:32,455 but there's always the stigma of cinema because it's populist, 1102 01:16:34,143 --> 01:16:35,974 but those who are, you know, 1103 01:16:36,143 --> 01:16:39,375 wonderful literary figures, critics et cetera, intellectuals, 1104 01:16:39,543 --> 01:16:44,094 will feel that cinema is a popular form, therefore it's not really art. 1105 01:16:47,064 --> 01:16:55,893 When I see him, I see the young eyes of a child peering. 1106 01:16:56,024 --> 01:17:01,543 It reminds me of the eyes of Chagall the painter, 1107 01:17:01,825 --> 01:17:05,295 very inquisitive. 1108 01:17:05,465 --> 01:17:09,219 (Scorsese) How do you get...almost like a spiritual image in your mind 1109 01:17:09,345 --> 01:17:11,063 and try to make that concrete? 1110 01:17:11,225 --> 01:17:13,945 An idea that hits you here, an image that hits you here, 1111 01:17:14,106 --> 01:17:17,814 and then you have to translate it through this piece of equipment. 1112 01:17:23,586 --> 01:17:28,421 (Cardiff) Some people, in an effort to be kind and complimentary, say, "Ah, Jack, 1113 01:17:28,546 --> 01:17:31,344 "they don't make films like those old Technicolor films."' 1114 01:17:31,466 --> 01:17:33,503 But that's all nonsense. 1115 01:17:33,827 --> 01:17:39,504 To me, the standard of photography has improved, you know, enormously. 1116 01:17:39,827 --> 01:17:42,739 Go on, keep going, keep going. 1117 01:17:42,907 --> 01:17:45,547 OK, quiet, please, everyone. 1118 01:17:45,788 --> 01:17:47,540 See what I'm going for? 1119 01:17:47,868 --> 01:17:52,544 - Why don'tyou want to retire? - No...I think I'd hate the idea. 1120 01:17:52,868 --> 01:17:54,779 I've got a big horizon. 1121 01:17:54,948 --> 01:17:57,416 There's painting in between, which is nice to do. 1122 01:17:57,548 --> 01:18:01,337 And hopefully, one of these days, 1123 01:18:01,509 --> 01:18:04,102 I'll just drop dead on the film set. 1124 01:18:09,869 --> 01:18:11,587 (Audience applauding) 1125 01:18:11,909 --> 01:18:13,263 (Hoffman) This is the first time 1126 01:18:13,390 --> 01:18:17,780 an honorary Oscar has been given to a cinematographer. 1127 01:18:19,550 --> 01:18:23,509 Ladies and gentlemen, it is my special privilege to present to you 1128 01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:25,906 Mr Jack Cardiff. 1129 01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:28,781 (Orchestral intro) 1130 01:18:43,791 --> 01:18:45,509 Thank you. 1131 01:18:46,509 --> 01:18:56,509 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 102548

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