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[narrator]
In 1830, Joseph Smith formed
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the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints.
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During his lifetime,
God delivered
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more than a hundred
commandments to Joseph.
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One of these commandments,
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recorded by a scribe
on July the 12th, 1843,
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nearly destroyed Joseph's
new religion in its infancy.
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Plural marriage was part
of what Joseph Smith called
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the most holy
and important doctrine
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revealed to any man on Earth.
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Each Mormon male would need
at least three wives
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to reach the celestial kingdom.
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Joseph himself married
approximately 40 women.
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Thousands of believers
followed Smith
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on a forced migration across
the eastern United States
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in search of the American Zion,
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eventually settling
in Nauvoo, Illinois.
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In 1844, Joseph Smith was
indicted and jailed for treason.
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The governor of Illinois
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personally guaranteed
his safety,
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but a mob stormed the jailhouse
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and shot Joseph in the back.
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As he fell to his death,
Joseph shouted,
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"Oh, Lord, my God!"
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Brigham Young assumed
leadership of the church
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and led 15,000 saints
across the Rocky Mountains
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to their new Zion,
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a swath of wilderness
that belonged to Mexico
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but would soon be annexed
to the United States
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as Utah Territory.
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Over the next 30 years,
federal agents visited
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almost every town in Utah
to arrest polygamists.
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Giving in to the increasing
pressure from the government,
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the LDS church renounced
polygamy in 1890.
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Disgruntled Mormons,
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unwilling to abandon Joseph's
most holy principle,
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splintered off from
the mainstream LDS church.
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In 1986, a single family,
the Jeffs family,
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gained control
of the Fundamentalist Church
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of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints,
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or the FLDS,
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and Rulon Jeffs
became the Prophet.
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Rulon took more than 50 wives.
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Merilyn Steed,
his favorite wife,
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gave birth to five sons.
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Her second son,
Warren Steed Jeffs,
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was determined to become
the Prophet himself.
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[man] Summer of 1999,
I was on a climbing trip,
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and I'd never driven across
this really remote road.
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It goes across southern Utah.
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Blistering hot day.
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There was a gas station,
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mini mart at the side
of the road,
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nothing on this highway,
little town off in the distance.
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And I pulled in,
and it was really strange.
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The girl at the counter, when I
went to pay for my Gatorade,
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you know, was dressed
like in this pioneer dress
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and completely covered.
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It was 103 degrees.
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And I look around,
and there's like, I don't know,
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more than a dozen
other girls dressed like that.
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And I was at my car,
about to leave,
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and they walked away,
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and they're being escorted
by this old guy
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with a long-sleeved shirt,
button collar.
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And, whoa, what's going on?
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And then I paid more attention
to this town,
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and these huge buildings.
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It's like a mile off the road,
so I drove down there
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and, man, these are
big fuckin' houses.
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And pretty soon
there's a car behind me,
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and wherever I go,
he's right on my tail
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and really aggressive.
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So I got the hell out of there,
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and he stayed with me
all the way to the highway.
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And I was pretty freaked out.
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So I kept heading east
towards Colorado,
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and I saw a National Parks
Service truck and a ranger,
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and it was the closest thing
to a cop I could find.
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So I was kind of
all freaked out and--
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"Man, I was just chased,
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and there's this weird,
really agro--
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And Colorado City."
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And he's like, "Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, it's just Colorado City.
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That's the polygs.
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You know, that's the biggest
community of polygamists
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in the United States."
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My head was spinning.
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And what I didn't know
at the time
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was I was just seeing
the tip of the iceberg.
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Things were way stranger
and way creepier
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than I ever could have imagined.
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[children's choir]
♪ A precious child ♪
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♪ Sent from above ♪
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♪ Given a mission ♪
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♪ A work of love ♪
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♪ God will walk beside you ♪
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♪ He will hold your hand ♪
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♪ He is there to guide you ♪
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♪ He will understand ♪
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♪ Each time you whisper ♪
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♪ Or kneel in prayer ♪
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♪ He sends His spirit ♪
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♪ To show He is there... ♪
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[Warren Jeffs]
For your own children's sake,
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raise them up
as calves in the stall,
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protected from evil influences.
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Our young people
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need to be surrounded
by the celestial law
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in their growing years,
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to give them the advantage
of loving God,
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so that when
they must face evil,
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they already have a natural love
for the truth.
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Warren's mother, Merilyn,
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was the sixth wife
of my father.
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She came to Father's family
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through a family that's called
the Steed family
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that was taught to believe
that their bloodline
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was a royal bloodline
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and that,
through their bloodline,
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an individual
would be brought forth
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that would become
a great person
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and become a leader
of the world.
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Merilyn was
very protective of Warren.
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Whenever he did
something wrong,
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she would blame other people
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or bring up
other people's faults
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to try to cover up
what he did wrong.
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I got to know Warren
when I was 19 years old.
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We were thrown together
in school.
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We were thrown together
in a lot of things.
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His father promoted it.
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Rulon saw that it was
an advantage to have me around,
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for both himself
and for his sons.
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I was basically vice principal
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of Alta Academy for 19 years.
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During those 19 years,
I was also in security.
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I put in the security system.
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I knew when doors
were opening and shutting.
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I had pressure-sensitive mats
in it.
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I had cameras.
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I had phone equipment
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that recorded all incoming
and outgoing phone calls.
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Originally, Rulon Jeffs
started the Alta Academy
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for his own huge family.
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He had scores and scores
of children,
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and pretty soon the word
started getting out,
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and it became a school
for all the FLDS faithful
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from both Salt Lake
and Short Creek.
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I first came here to visit
the Alta Academy back in 2004.
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I had to see the place
where Warren got his start.
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When Warren graduated
from high school at 17,
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he was placed in as a teacher
in the Alta Academy.
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Within a couple years,
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he was made principal
of the Alta Academy.
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So now he was running
the school.
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The school was set up for
just grades one through eight.
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That's all Warren thought
they needed.
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And the curriculum
was very specific.
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It wasn't-- They didn't teach us
regular U.S. history.
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They taught us
Priesthood history,
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which is the history
of the church, you know,
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not Abraham Lincoln
and George Washington
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and all these things, you know?
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It was about the history
of the church and Joseph Smith
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and all these things.
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He was an expert at teaching
the Priesthood history,
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and that was the only history
these people needed to know.
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And once you get
to the eighth grade,
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you really don't need to go
any further than that, really.
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[Warren]
School is not your top priority.
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It is your preparation
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to be filled
with the Holy Ghost.
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That is the most important
labor you have,
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individually
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and in your families.
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We are here,
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as the people
of the prophet Joseph,
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to live the law of celestial
and plural marriage
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and the holy United Order
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so that we can be
that favored people
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the prophet Joseph can use
in redeeming Zion.
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The brainwashing
that went on--
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Even being little kids,
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the brainwashing
would start, you know.
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You gotta start--
You gotta start the footsteps
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of, you know, you're gonna be,
you know, a father one day,
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you're gonna be
a husband one day,
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and you need to be
perfectly obedient to ev--
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all of your teachers,
and your father,
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and all the church leaders.
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And, you know, that is
what they beat into us
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every single day of our lives.
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Anyone that stepped outside
of the bounds
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of what he set for everyone,
we were targeted,
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and that was me.
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I was always one who stepped
outside of the circle
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and questioned things,
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and he didn't like that one bit.
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Warren's office is
down here on the end.
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It's not like it's
some big, grandiose office.
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In fact, you know, you have
the valet from the roof
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coming down in here
and everything.
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But this is where he wanted
his office to be
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because he could get up
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and watch all the children
on the playground
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and know when somebody
was doing something wrong.
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He would bring--
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Like, a lot of the young girls
that I talked to,
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he was like the dress code cop.
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[Wallace] Warren pretty much
made the dress code himself.
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He did that as a means
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to bring girls
into his office alone.
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[Brent]
I remember seeing kids
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constantly being pulled
into his office
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and the door closed,
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and seeing them come out
with this look on their face.
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I know what the look is,
you know,
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the look of--
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For me, it felt like
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your soul being ripped out
of your heart,
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out of your body.
You have nothing left.
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Behind closed doors,
he is a predator.
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He's abusing these kids,
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and nobody knows about it.
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And he's putting such a fear
of God in these kids,
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that none of them
will ever say anything.
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[Ron] Well, my daughter,
my oldest daughter,
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was sent to Warren's office
numerous times.
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Warren did rape her as well.
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She didn't tell me about it
till years later,
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but, yes, this was going on.
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[Warren] You can tell right now
if you're passing the test.
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If you're keeping sweet
no matter what,
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you're a person
ready to give up your own will
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and just obey
the priesthood over you.
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[attorney] Did there
come a time when your father
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had some strokes,
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a series of strokes?
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[Warren]
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[attorney]
And did there come a time
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when you became
your father's mouthpiece?
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In other words,
you communicated on his behalf
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with the FLDS people?
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When he saw that he could be
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the next one in line
to take his father's position,
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I think that's when Warren
went really off the edge.
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I really do.
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He started first by taking
charge of Father's wives.
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He would tell them
that he was Father's caregiver
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and that everything
that they did with Father
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had to go through him.
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He began taking over
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all of my father's
appointments
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and dictating to him
who he would see.
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He was basically
telling my father
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what he needed to say
and what he needed to do.
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All I want to say is,
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to prepare for the judgments...
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and establish Zion.
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You know what I mean?
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[people] Yes.
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[Ron] Warren put into
his father's head
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that the end of the world
was coming,
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and Rulon started to believe it.
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I mean, he really did.
He started believing
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that computers
were gonna crash in 2000,
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power was gonna go down,
there was gonna be havoc,
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nuclear war was inevitable.
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All of this stuff
that Warren was feeding him
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made him believe that,
by the year 2000,
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it was going to be over.
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[Warren] Soon a day
of judgment will be upon us.
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The prophets described
it would be
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an entire separation
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of the righteous
from the wicked.
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It will be such a judgment
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that will usher in
the great millennial reign
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and only a faithful remnant
will stay on this land.
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The year 2000,
the Lord's gonna come down
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and wipe the Earth clean,
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and we're gonna be lifted up
on some spaceship thing,
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and we're gonna be
sent back down,
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and it's all gonna be good.
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And all of a sudden,
the year 2000 comes.
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Nothing happens.
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Well, then he would come back up
in front of the people and say,
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"Well, you guys
weren't good enough.
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The Lord felt like
that you guys needed more time
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to perfect yourselves
and be more like Him."
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And so he would just move on
to the next thing.
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[Warren] Do I have to send
a scourge upon us
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to remove those who cannot
endure His presence?
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Is that what
we're demanding of God?
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[Wallace]
We all moved to Short Creek
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in January and February of 2002,
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just before the Olympics.
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We were told the Olympics
were going to come
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and that Salt Lake
was going to be destroyed.
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So, we were supposed to move to
Short Creek to save our lives.
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To welcome the world into Zion,
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which is supposed to be pure
and holy and so forth,
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is like saying,
"Sinners, evil doers,
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you're all welcome here."
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And that's the way
they viewed it.
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And so, we had to separate
ourselves from them.
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And if we did not, then we
would be-- we would be damned.
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[Sam] And they picked
this spot out purposely
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because it's
geographically isolated.
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On one side,
these vermilion cliffs.
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On the other side is desert
and the Grand Canyon.
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They wanted to be isolated
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because their beliefs
were illegal.
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The practice of polygamy
was illegal.
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There's a street going through
the middle of town.
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It's called Uzona,
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and on one side of the street,
you're in Arizona.
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The other side of the street,
you're in Utah.
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They did that on purpose
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because, if something happens
on one side of the border,
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they can just cross the street
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and they're in
a different jurisdiction.
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As we come into town,
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you can start to see cameras
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all over the place,
on all these buildings.
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Church security
and the town marshals
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already know we're here.
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They probably picked us up
out by Canaan Gap.
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And, in fact,
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there's church security
right here.
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On our right is Phase Concrete.
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This is where Ben Thomas
used to work.
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It's one of the prominent
businesses in town.
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Like nearly all the businesses
in Short Creek,
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it's run in the shadows
by the FLDS hierarchy.
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So one way the Phase would help
funnel money to the church was:
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Let's say the men working,
they worked 400 hours.
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So we could actually bill
that contract,
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a general contractor,
for 400 labor hours.
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Then, we would talk
to the guys and say,
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"You know what?
We need to donate."
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And they would say,
"Okay, I'll donate my time."
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And so, out of
that 400 billable hours,
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we only paid maybe 200
of those hours out in payroll.
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[Sam]
They don't put it on paper,
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and they don't put it
on paper on purpose.
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The businesses are put out there
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to fall on their sword
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and take the heat
for the church,
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but the church
gets all the money.
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This isn't just
a recent problem.
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FLDS-operated businesses
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have been bleeding the American
economy for decades.
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In fact,
one of the earlier examples
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even has ties to NASA.
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I had been instructed
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by the president
of the priesthood
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to get into
something different
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than what I was in
with that engineering company
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because I was traveling way
too much to have a big family.
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I left Fenway Engineering
and started HydraPak.
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We sent Thiokol
the first set of O-rings.
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At that time,
the Space Shuttle program
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was at a complete halt
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because they couldn't put
the shuttle together.
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And they said,
"Well, you're the only one
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that knows how to make
these things.
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Do you wanna get into business?"
We said, "Sure."
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And the--
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[chuckles]
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the first set of O-rings
was built in my kitchen.
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We had had over 5,000
hot shots with our O-rings,
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and no failures,
so we were quite confident
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that we knew that there was not
an O-ring problem.
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I regret that I have to report
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that, based on very preliminary
searches of the ocean
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where the Challenger
impacted this morning,
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these searches have not revealed
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any evidence that the crew
of Challenger survived.
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Somehow,
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there was some blame
with HydraPak,
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who manufactured those O-rings.
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I think there's controversy
over that to this day.
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But it was
an FLDS-owned company.
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The businesses here
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are set up
to distance themselves,
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but the church owns them.
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In fact, that's a covenant--
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to turn your business over
to the church,
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and all the assets.
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Everything you make
belongs to the church.
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[Ben]
I was working for Phase.
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I would monitor the jobs,
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from Seattle
down to Gallup, New Mexico.
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Huge commercial
concrete projects.
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My jobs involved Walmarts.
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I did a hospital.
We did the Family Dollar.
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[Sam]
Western Precision is
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one of the very big
manufacturing companies.
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It's been around for years,
and it's still operating.
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They manufacture
aerospace parts.
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00:21:17,583 --> 00:21:20,666
They manufacture gun parts,
you name it.
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[Ben] When I first
started working here,
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we were required, as elders,
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to donate $1,000 a month
plus the tithing.
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And then, when Warren Jeffs
or Lyle,
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00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:33,709
whoever started
the United Order,
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it was basically
turn everything over.
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00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:38,416
One of the companies,
Reliance Lighting,
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is one of the largest,
if not the largest,
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lighting distributor
and manufacturer in the west.
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They do millions of dollars'
worth of lighting fixtures
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00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:50,541
in casinos and hotels
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00:21:50,541 --> 00:21:53,375
and commercial buildings
all over the country.
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00:21:53,375 --> 00:21:56,791
And they bring in
not small amounts of money,
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00:21:56,791 --> 00:21:59,333
millions of dollars a month.
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00:21:59,333 --> 00:22:04,333
All that money goes straight
into the church's coffers.
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00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:07,125
It's not like any other job.
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00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:09,458
Lots of people take pride
in their work
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00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:11,834
and want to do a good job.
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But your salvation
depends on you succeeding.
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00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:18,416
And your status and stature
within the church,
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00:22:18,416 --> 00:22:20,541
and how you grow
within the church,
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depends on how well
you succeed in your businesses.
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[children's choir]
♪ How blessed I am ♪
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♪ I look around ♪
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00:22:40,375 --> 00:22:45,791
♪ And here I fly ♪
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00:22:45,791 --> 00:22:51,791
♪ I'm growing in His love ♪
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♪ Each bright new day... ♪
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The Jeffs compound's
right here on our right.
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This is where Rulon Jeffs lived,
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00:23:00,458 --> 00:23:03,666
and then Warren
after Rulon died.
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This encompasses a whole block,
a whole city block.
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♪ A chance to give... ♪
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On the right,
this is the meeting house.
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That's the kind of command post
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00:23:19,541 --> 00:23:23,625
for all these cameras
that are set up all over town.
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00:23:23,625 --> 00:23:27,083
We found out that that's
where they monitor them at.
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00:23:27,083 --> 00:23:28,834
[Jon] They gave up
all these businesses,
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00:23:28,834 --> 00:23:30,458
turned over the assets
to Warren.
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00:23:30,458 --> 00:23:32,500
By the time they all
moved down to Short Creek,
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00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:34,541
the assets of the trust
that he controlled
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were worth $110 million,
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00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:40,375
a boatload of money,
and it's all his.
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[Wallace] We did over 250
truckloads of furniture
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00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:48,458
for families in 30 days,
447
00:23:48,458 --> 00:23:51,040
from Salt Lake to Short Creek.
448
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,165
And he did that so that he
could control the people easier
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00:23:54,165 --> 00:23:57,666
by concentrating them
in one location.
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When we moved down, I had
18 children and two wives,
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00:24:01,875 --> 00:24:05,666
and I had a half-million-dollar
home in Draper,
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I had a very successful
business here in Salt Lake.
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00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:11,709
And I just walked away from it.
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It was a way
to concentrate the finances
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00:24:14,125 --> 00:24:17,458
so they could control
the finances of the people.
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00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:19,040
In other words,
Warren's telling you
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you have nothing to lose.
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00:24:20,666 --> 00:24:22,290
-Right.
-Yeah.
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00:24:22,290 --> 00:24:23,458
It doesn't matter.
460
00:24:23,458 --> 00:24:24,834
You're not gonna have
to pay it back
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00:24:24,834 --> 00:24:26,666
'cause the destructions
are gonna kill everybody.
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00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:28,916
So, max out everything,
get all the money you can,
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00:24:28,916 --> 00:24:31,583
give it to me, and you'll
never have to pay it back.
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And our last truckload left
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the day before
the Olympics started.
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That's how they control
the people,
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00:24:39,165 --> 00:24:40,750
is through these deadlines.
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00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:42,709
If you don't do this,
the Lord is going to punish you
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and you're gonna die
in the destruction.
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This was all done
because Warren knew
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00:24:47,583 --> 00:24:49,625
that his father
wasn't gonna live for long.
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00:24:49,625 --> 00:24:54,750
And he was setting himself up
as the next king.
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[Sam]
As time went on,
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Warren regularly kept marrying
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more and more young girls
to Rulon,
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00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:05,791
and the ages kept getting
younger and younger.
477
00:25:05,791 --> 00:25:08,165
And in one
of Rulon's lucid moments,
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he pounded the desk and said,
479
00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:12,250
"Why are you marrying
all these young girls to me?"
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00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:13,916
The reason Warren was doing it
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00:25:13,916 --> 00:25:17,625
was to set up a harem for
himself after his father died.
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00:25:17,625 --> 00:25:21,541
And one of the wives
became pregnant
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00:25:21,541 --> 00:25:24,666
before Rulon
had a chance to die.
484
00:25:25,541 --> 00:25:28,375
Rulon could not
have children, okay?
485
00:25:28,375 --> 00:25:33,290
So it was definitely
Warren's child--
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children.
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00:25:35,834 --> 00:25:37,959
It was twins.
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So, Rulon had to die.
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He had to.
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00:25:41,834 --> 00:25:44,791
All they had to do
was feed him the wrong things,
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which they did.
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[Wallace]
The fact that he always felt
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that he could cover up
everything that he did wrong,
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he definitely would have...
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00:25:55,916 --> 00:25:58,333
taken father's life
to cover that up.
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[Warren]
I want to remind you
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what the prophets
have taught us:
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that whenever a man of God
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is commanded to kill
another man,
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he is never bloodthirsty.
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00:26:11,165 --> 00:26:14,333
But a righteous man
never loves to kill.
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00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,875
Instead, I'll tell you
what a righteous man does.
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He goes humbly,
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00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:24,375
and he is asking the Lord
to strengthen his hand
505
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:27,208
so he can do the Lord's will,
506
00:26:27,208 --> 00:26:30,040
and keep sweet,
even in doing that.
507
00:26:31,666 --> 00:26:33,541
When Father died,
508
00:26:33,541 --> 00:26:36,791
Warren never declared himself
the Prophet.
509
00:26:36,791 --> 00:26:39,375
But he said that he was
in contact with Father
510
00:26:39,375 --> 00:26:41,375
on the other side
511
00:26:41,375 --> 00:26:43,541
and that Father was still
running the people
512
00:26:43,541 --> 00:26:46,040
from the other side
through Warren.
513
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,541
But then he eventually
slowly stopped saying that,
514
00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:53,583
and he started saying,
"This is what the Lord wants.
515
00:26:53,583 --> 00:26:55,709
This is what the Lord
has revealed to me."
516
00:26:57,416 --> 00:27:00,208
[Warren] I know the Lord,
through his prophet,
517
00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,666
has the right to rule,
518
00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:05,625
and we have the right,
519
00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:08,165
privilege and duty to obey.
520
00:27:09,416 --> 00:27:11,791
When he asked me
to marry him at 16,
521
00:27:11,791 --> 00:27:14,959
I honestly believed
that that's what God wanted.
522
00:27:14,959 --> 00:27:17,625
Basically, my mom just
woke me up and says, you know,
523
00:27:17,625 --> 00:27:19,083
"Hurry. We got to
get you dressed.
524
00:27:19,083 --> 00:27:20,916
You have an appointment
with the Prophet."
525
00:27:20,916 --> 00:27:23,458
And my dad took me
down there to talk to him.
526
00:27:23,458 --> 00:27:26,083
And I kind of knew
what was coming.
527
00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:29,000
I knew, 'cause I'd never had
an appointment,
528
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,916
first off, with him.
529
00:27:30,916 --> 00:27:35,083
So I kind of knew
what he was going to ask me.
530
00:27:35,083 --> 00:27:36,834
Not him specifically,
531
00:27:36,834 --> 00:27:40,290
but I kind of knew
that I was going to get married.
532
00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:42,083
Basically, I just went in there,
533
00:27:42,083 --> 00:27:43,791
and I sat in front of him,
534
00:27:43,791 --> 00:27:46,791
and he asked me straight out,
"Will you marry me?"
535
00:27:46,791 --> 00:27:48,791
And, honestly,
I was still a kid.
536
00:27:48,791 --> 00:27:52,625
I didn't understand what
it means, what it truly means.
537
00:27:52,625 --> 00:27:55,541
I feel like
being married at 16...
538
00:27:56,875 --> 00:27:59,290
took away my entire life.
539
00:27:59,290 --> 00:28:02,208
Giving all that up at 16,
540
00:28:02,208 --> 00:28:05,583
I feel like... I just,
541
00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:07,709
at that point--
from that point on,
542
00:28:07,709 --> 00:28:09,709
my entire life has been chaos.
543
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,625
[Warren]
Dear wives,
544
00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:17,583
realizing happiness
is only being a part
545
00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:19,875
and a strength to your husband.
546
00:28:19,875 --> 00:28:22,416
Get close to him.
547
00:28:22,416 --> 00:28:24,333
Confide in him.
548
00:28:25,583 --> 00:28:28,791
Turn to him with a full heart,
549
00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:32,834
and give him the opportunity
to lead you right.
550
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,416
At night, we'd all get in a line
551
00:28:36,416 --> 00:28:38,165
and give him a kiss goodnight.
552
00:28:38,165 --> 00:28:41,000
It's almost like-- I don't even
know how to explain that.
553
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,375
It's really weird
to think about it now.
554
00:28:43,375 --> 00:28:46,666
It's really weird.
It's like being in prison.
555
00:28:46,666 --> 00:28:48,333
Instead of getting your food,
556
00:28:48,333 --> 00:28:50,333
[chuckling]
you're giving him a kiss.
557
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:54,000
[Wallace]
He wanted to remove any man
558
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,250
who would be a threat
to his power or his influence.
559
00:28:58,208 --> 00:29:00,208
So he called a meeting--
560
00:29:00,208 --> 00:29:03,416
it was a Saturday
work project meeting--
561
00:29:03,416 --> 00:29:05,165
and he got up and read
562
00:29:05,165 --> 00:29:07,666
what he called
a revelation from God:
563
00:29:07,666 --> 00:29:10,290
that certain men,
564
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,583
who were leaders
among the people,
565
00:29:12,583 --> 00:29:14,375
no longer held priesthood,
566
00:29:14,375 --> 00:29:16,541
were not worthy
of their families.
567
00:29:16,541 --> 00:29:18,333
And he started casting out
568
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:20,333
anybody that he felt
was a threat
569
00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:22,791
to his power or his authority.
570
00:29:22,791 --> 00:29:26,916
When his father died
and he took over,
571
00:29:26,916 --> 00:29:29,666
I think he felt like
whatever decisions he made,
572
00:29:29,666 --> 00:29:31,500
whatever he did,
573
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,458
no one should question.
574
00:29:33,458 --> 00:29:35,834
And if they did,
there were severe consequences,
575
00:29:35,834 --> 00:29:37,666
they would lose their family.
576
00:29:37,666 --> 00:29:39,625
And he made sure
that they understood that.
577
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:45,583
[Warren] A man can only have
and hold a woman as his wife,
578
00:29:45,583 --> 00:29:48,000
if he has the priesthood.
579
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,208
If he loses the priesthood,
580
00:29:50,208 --> 00:29:53,250
his family
is automatically released.
581
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,083
[Ron]
I was sent away
582
00:29:56,083 --> 00:29:59,834
simply because I had
some serious liability issues,
583
00:29:59,834 --> 00:30:01,959
as far as
Warren was concerned.
584
00:30:01,959 --> 00:30:05,500
And I was the only one
that really knew enough
585
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,709
that could probably destroy
586
00:30:07,709 --> 00:30:10,834
his taking over
his father's position.
587
00:30:10,834 --> 00:30:14,083
My third wife
was Warren's full sister.
588
00:30:14,083 --> 00:30:16,125
She had been molested.
589
00:30:16,125 --> 00:30:18,834
And she says
it was by one of her brothers,
590
00:30:18,834 --> 00:30:20,458
but she couldn't tell me
who it was
591
00:30:20,458 --> 00:30:22,290
'cause she was under an oath.
592
00:30:22,290 --> 00:30:24,333
And she says,
"But you can guess."
593
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:27,625
She suffered
some tremendous trauma.
594
00:30:28,583 --> 00:30:31,000
I was sent out,
and he told the whole church--
595
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,083
He says, "If any of you
sympathize with Ron,
596
00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:37,290
you will have the same thing
happen to you and your family."
597
00:30:38,709 --> 00:30:42,040
[Elaine]
Nearly 40 years in the religion,
598
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,875
things started to change
599
00:30:43,875 --> 00:30:45,625
once Warren took over
600
00:30:45,625 --> 00:30:47,750
and started imposing
601
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:51,791
all kinds of tyrannical,
mind-control things
602
00:30:51,791 --> 00:30:55,125
on the congregation
and my children.
603
00:30:55,125 --> 00:30:57,208
So, I left
604
00:30:57,208 --> 00:31:01,583
without my children,
because I was deemed not worthy.
605
00:31:01,583 --> 00:31:03,583
And so, I remained very discreet
606
00:31:03,583 --> 00:31:06,709
because I did not want Warren
to have any excuse
607
00:31:06,709 --> 00:31:09,040
from this apostate
608
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,959
to break up their families.
609
00:31:13,083 --> 00:31:15,040
[Warren]
An apostate is one
610
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,375
who has altogether turned
from the Prophet.
611
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:24,834
If you have a willful connection
with apostates,
612
00:31:24,834 --> 00:31:27,208
you will not survive.
613
00:31:30,125 --> 00:31:32,666
[Jon] You know,
when Prozac became popular,
614
00:31:32,666 --> 00:31:34,083
Warren prescribed Prozac
615
00:31:34,083 --> 00:31:36,666
to probably most of the women
in the religion,
616
00:31:36,666 --> 00:31:38,500
and I'm not exaggerating.
617
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,834
They're all depressed.
You better believe it.
618
00:31:40,834 --> 00:31:44,250
And it was a way to sort of,
you know, quell their anxiety--
619
00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:48,125
he believed-- and, you know,
make them more docile.
620
00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:51,000
We believed that it's
disrespectful to wear red
621
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,541
because they believed that,
when Jesus comes down,
622
00:31:54,541 --> 00:31:56,000
when he comes back,
623
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,125
he'll be dressed in a red robe.
624
00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:01,500
So, it's disrespectful
if you are to wear red.
625
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,916
So, I would wear red.
626
00:32:03,916 --> 00:32:07,040
And I'm like--
Sometimes I'd do it on purpose
627
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,000
because I thought someone
would come out of the sky
628
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,834
and kill me, literally.
629
00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:11,916
No kidding.
630
00:32:13,083 --> 00:32:15,583
The FLDS had always followed
their leaders blindly,
631
00:32:15,583 --> 00:32:17,709
but things were really different
under Warren.
632
00:32:17,709 --> 00:32:19,165
The lives of the faithful
633
00:32:19,165 --> 00:32:22,040
were much more constrained,
much more restricted.
634
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,208
So he started
taking away television.
635
00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:26,458
[Jon] Basketball hoops
were taken down.
636
00:32:26,458 --> 00:32:28,666
No more toys.
You couldn't play any games.
637
00:32:28,666 --> 00:32:30,040
[Sam]
Going to the movies,
638
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,458
reading the newspaper,
getting on the Internet.
639
00:32:33,458 --> 00:32:35,333
[Jon]
No pets. No dancing.
640
00:32:35,333 --> 00:32:37,458
Stop celebrating Pioneer Day.
641
00:32:37,458 --> 00:32:38,875
Stop celebrating Christmas.
642
00:32:38,875 --> 00:32:40,541
You know, all these things,
643
00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:43,125
taking bits
of people's lives away,
644
00:32:43,125 --> 00:32:45,125
you know, just one inch
at a time,
645
00:32:45,125 --> 00:32:47,416
and seeing how much
they would tolerate.
646
00:32:47,416 --> 00:32:50,583
[Jon] He just kind of removed
all the joy from Short Creek.
647
00:32:50,583 --> 00:32:54,250
It was just, he just hated
people to be happy.
648
00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:55,959
[Sam]
This is a people
649
00:32:55,959 --> 00:32:58,916
that are used to
obeying authority.
650
00:32:58,916 --> 00:33:00,583
[Jon]
You know, paradoxically,
651
00:33:00,583 --> 00:33:02,625
it made the faithful
more loyal than ever to Warren.
652
00:33:02,625 --> 00:33:04,959
The more afraid they became,
the more threatened they felt,
653
00:33:04,959 --> 00:33:06,959
the more they bonded to Warren.
654
00:33:06,959 --> 00:33:08,416
They believe in the Prophet,
655
00:33:08,416 --> 00:33:10,290
and they believe
in blind obedience.
656
00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:13,333
So, they were willing to do
whatever Warren told them.
657
00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:15,916
The more they feared him,
the more they depended on him,
658
00:33:15,916 --> 00:33:17,625
the more he controlled them.
659
00:33:17,625 --> 00:33:20,583
He's an expert at mind control,
660
00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:22,834
and all mind control
is through fear.
661
00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,666
He wanted them to be miserable.
662
00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:26,959
And he did it,
and it was no exceptions.
663
00:33:26,959 --> 00:33:29,290
You kowtow, or you're out.
664
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:34,750
People within the FLDS,
665
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:37,458
a few of them had enough
and have found the courage
666
00:33:37,458 --> 00:33:39,541
to come forward
and tell their stories.
667
00:33:41,165 --> 00:33:42,916
[reporter]
Ross Chatwin is striking back
668
00:33:42,916 --> 00:33:46,165
against the Prophet who
stripped him of his priesthood,
669
00:33:46,165 --> 00:33:48,959
ordered him to leave his home
and leave his family.
670
00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:52,959
We are being told to leave,
leave our home here.
671
00:33:52,959 --> 00:33:56,791
And we want to make a firm stand
that we do not plan on leaving.
672
00:33:56,791 --> 00:33:58,458
[reporter]
The edict means wife Lori
673
00:33:58,458 --> 00:34:00,916
must take the couple's
six children
674
00:34:00,916 --> 00:34:03,040
and leave their father,
her husband,
675
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,791
something she just can't do.
676
00:34:04,791 --> 00:34:07,250
When you tell a family...
677
00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:12,000
they can no longer love
their father,
678
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,833
that you've got to create
something cold inside of you
679
00:34:15,833 --> 00:34:18,625
to no longer love your husband
or your father.
680
00:34:18,625 --> 00:34:20,750
You know, we knew that
there were certain things
681
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:22,500
that had to happen.
682
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,041
One of those was take away
683
00:34:25,041 --> 00:34:28,208
Warren's control
of people's homes here.
684
00:34:28,208 --> 00:34:32,166
And we knew, as long as Warren
controlled the homes,
685
00:34:32,166 --> 00:34:34,083
he would control the people.
686
00:34:34,083 --> 00:34:36,208
We need your help and support
687
00:34:36,208 --> 00:34:38,875
to help stop Warren S. Jeffs
688
00:34:38,875 --> 00:34:41,750
from destroying families,
kicking us out of our homes,
689
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:43,500
and marrying our children
690
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,291
in some kind of political,
dollar, Brownie-point system.
691
00:34:46,291 --> 00:34:48,666
[Sam]
It blew people's minds here
692
00:34:48,666 --> 00:34:51,833
that somebody was standing up
to Warren Jeffs.
693
00:34:51,833 --> 00:34:55,000
Nobody had done
that kind of thing before.
694
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,583
And so, word
started getting out.
695
00:34:57,583 --> 00:35:01,000
And some of the people
that were out there
696
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,083
started finding out that
I was a private investigator,
697
00:35:03,083 --> 00:35:06,083
and that I had been
doing work down here,
698
00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:08,291
and I was hired
on the Lost Boys case
699
00:35:08,291 --> 00:35:11,916
and Brent Jeffs' case
against his uncle Warren.
700
00:35:16,333 --> 00:35:18,500
[Brent] There was a bathroom
down in the basement
701
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:20,916
when we would have
these Jeffs family meetings,
702
00:35:20,916 --> 00:35:22,416
these special Jeffs meetings,
703
00:35:22,416 --> 00:35:26,500
when Warren would be up
on the stand with Rulon.
704
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,750
And then Rulon
would start to speak,
705
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:32,625
and the class would separate,
706
00:35:32,625 --> 00:35:36,083
and the children would all go
downstairs into the classrooms.
707
00:35:37,166 --> 00:35:40,583
Well, Warren would disappear
off the stage,
708
00:35:40,583 --> 00:35:45,250
and this is when he would have
his chance to walk around,
709
00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:47,375
somehow sneak
down into the basement.
710
00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:49,333
And he'd pull 'em
into the bathroom,
711
00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:52,416
and this is where
he would molest the kids.
712
00:35:52,416 --> 00:35:56,125
And then he would go right back
upstairs on top of that stage
713
00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:58,250
and preach the word of God
to these people.
714
00:35:59,666 --> 00:36:02,125
And I don't know how many
other kids he did this to.
715
00:36:10,666 --> 00:36:13,458
When Warren was molesting me,
716
00:36:13,458 --> 00:36:15,541
he would say, you know,
717
00:36:15,541 --> 00:36:18,583
"This is the word of God.
This is God's will.
718
00:36:18,583 --> 00:36:21,250
If you say anything to anybody,
719
00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:23,458
you're turning your back on God.
720
00:36:23,458 --> 00:36:25,500
You're gonna burn
in hell for that."
721
00:36:27,125 --> 00:36:29,041
[Warren]
An apostate goes away
722
00:36:29,041 --> 00:36:33,458
accusing, blaming others
for their apostasy...
723
00:36:34,708 --> 00:36:38,208
that all these things
aren't right with the Prophet
724
00:36:38,208 --> 00:36:40,000
or those around him.
725
00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:43,375
Don't be tricked.
726
00:36:45,041 --> 00:36:47,916
These were
courageous young people
727
00:36:47,916 --> 00:36:51,666
who were willing to-- urging
the state to press charges.
728
00:36:51,666 --> 00:36:54,750
And they were taking huge risks,
but they decided to do it.
729
00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:57,125
And once they did it,
the floodgates opened,
730
00:36:57,125 --> 00:36:59,500
and more and more people
started coming forward,
731
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,750
telling their stories
and how they'd been abused.
732
00:37:02,958 --> 00:37:06,041
In July 2004,
on the steps of the capitol,
733
00:37:06,041 --> 00:37:08,458
Mark Shurtleff announced,
734
00:37:08,458 --> 00:37:10,458
"I want Warren Jeffs to know
I'm coming after you."
735
00:37:10,458 --> 00:37:12,666
And he created
this polygamy task force.
736
00:37:12,666 --> 00:37:14,500
He started using these methods
737
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,333
that had been used against the
mafia to put them in prison--
738
00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:20,125
you know, racketeering laws,
the RICO laws.
739
00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:22,000
It was,
"We're gonna get you
740
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000
for interstate trafficking,
for fraud."
741
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,041
Those were the things that
could bring down the church.
742
00:37:28,041 --> 00:37:29,541
And, thanks to Sam's work
743
00:37:29,541 --> 00:37:31,916
and the attorney general's
statements,
744
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:34,500
you know, finally it looked
like the tide had turned
745
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:38,041
and now, you know, this was
gonna be taken seriously.
746
00:37:38,041 --> 00:37:39,625
[Brent]
I started this.
747
00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:41,541
And then,
soon after my lawsuit,
748
00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:44,375
there was these kids that were
out of the church as well,
749
00:37:44,375 --> 00:37:46,750
wanted to file a lawsuit
against Warren.
750
00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:49,625
And then another lawsuit
with Elissa Wall followed.
751
00:37:49,625 --> 00:37:52,875
I mean, it was just like
this huge ripple effect started
752
00:37:52,875 --> 00:37:55,000
and people finally getting
enough courage
753
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,625
to finally go after him.
754
00:37:58,541 --> 00:38:00,208
[Sam]
At 14 years old,
755
00:38:00,208 --> 00:38:03,875
Elissa Wall was placed with
her 19-year-old cousin
756
00:38:03,875 --> 00:38:05,541
by Warren Jeffs.
757
00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:08,416
She was married to him
in a ceremony.
758
00:38:08,416 --> 00:38:10,458
She was
an unwilling participant.
759
00:38:10,458 --> 00:38:12,208
She was scared to death.
760
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:16,000
So, Elissa went through
a long period
761
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,625
of abuse and horror.
762
00:38:18,625 --> 00:38:20,416
It wasn't a slam dunk.
763
00:38:20,416 --> 00:38:22,333
They didn't have the goods
to get Warren
764
00:38:22,333 --> 00:38:24,208
for rape of a child themselves,
765
00:38:24,208 --> 00:38:25,833
but it was
an accomplice to rape,
766
00:38:25,833 --> 00:38:27,791
which is a serious charge
in Utah.
767
00:38:27,791 --> 00:38:31,083
And Sam helped get
all these witnesses,
768
00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:32,625
and that was the case.
769
00:38:32,625 --> 00:38:35,541
Can we prove that Warren Jeffs
is responsible
770
00:38:35,541 --> 00:38:37,625
for this girl being
married off to this guy
771
00:38:37,625 --> 00:38:39,291
and being raped?
772
00:38:39,291 --> 00:38:42,416
When I was young,
my mother taught me
773
00:38:42,416 --> 00:38:45,625
that evil flourishes
when good men do nothing.
774
00:38:46,916 --> 00:38:49,416
This has not been easy for us.
775
00:38:49,416 --> 00:38:52,250
The easy thing
would have been to do nothing.
776
00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:55,000
[Jon]
Sam is really obsessive.
777
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,166
I mean, I'm obsessive,
but not like Sam.
778
00:38:57,166 --> 00:39:00,791
And he was on this case,
and he was not gonna let it go.
779
00:39:00,791 --> 00:39:02,958
[Warren]
They talk to the Gentiles,
780
00:39:02,958 --> 00:39:05,583
and the whole world
gets angry at us,
781
00:39:05,583 --> 00:39:08,250
calling us wicked.
782
00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:10,541
We have a strength
783
00:39:10,541 --> 00:39:13,666
stronger than all the anger
784
00:39:13,666 --> 00:39:15,625
the world could bring upon us.
785
00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:20,625
[Jon]
Sam was smart.
786
00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:22,166
He knew local law enforcement
was worthless.
787
00:39:22,166 --> 00:39:23,375
They were all FLDS.
788
00:39:23,375 --> 00:39:25,166
They were all
in Warren's pocket.
789
00:39:25,166 --> 00:39:28,291
They weren't gonna do shit.
He had to go further than that.
790
00:39:28,291 --> 00:39:30,000
And the goal was,
we gotta get him
791
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,791
on the FBI Ten Most Wanted list.
792
00:39:31,791 --> 00:39:33,416
And he had good connections
with the FBI.
793
00:39:33,416 --> 00:39:35,833
And I spoke to some
of these FBI agents,
794
00:39:35,833 --> 00:39:37,458
and it worked.
795
00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:38,833
It took some luck,
796
00:39:38,833 --> 00:39:41,666
and it took a lot of agents
sticking their neck out,
797
00:39:41,666 --> 00:39:44,125
but they got him on
the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list
798
00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:45,833
with Osama bin Laden.
799
00:39:45,833 --> 00:39:48,500
I mean, he was in the big time,
and that changed everything.
800
00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:52,166
So, now Warren has
a target on his back.
801
00:39:52,166 --> 00:39:53,833
The feds are after him.
802
00:39:53,833 --> 00:39:56,583
He knows he's gotta go on the
run, he's gotta go underground.
803
00:39:57,958 --> 00:39:59,500
[Warren]
I am not safe here.
804
00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:04,291
There is not a oneness
drawing from the heavens,
805
00:40:04,291 --> 00:40:07,000
the protection needed
to keep me here.
806
00:40:08,208 --> 00:40:11,333
And now the Lord has declared
that my only protection
807
00:40:11,333 --> 00:40:14,875
will be to go into hiding
among the wicked.
808
00:40:16,625 --> 00:40:18,250
Think of it.
809
00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:22,375
Warren Jeffs set it up
before he was caught,
810
00:40:22,375 --> 00:40:24,250
a structure to carry out
his orders
811
00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:27,583
in case he did get caught
or he had to go underground.
812
00:40:27,583 --> 00:40:30,708
And so, Lyle Jeffs, his brother,
813
00:40:30,708 --> 00:40:32,708
has been put in charge.
814
00:40:32,708 --> 00:40:36,208
Father is his little patsy
to do whatever he wants done.
815
00:40:36,208 --> 00:40:38,625
After Warren had
moved out of town
816
00:40:38,625 --> 00:40:40,541
and was hiding from the law,
817
00:40:40,541 --> 00:40:42,375
then he became the bishop.
818
00:40:42,375 --> 00:40:44,750
And he's been loyal to Warren
819
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:47,125
as long as I've known him.
820
00:40:47,125 --> 00:40:49,166
Even up to the day that I left,
821
00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:51,083
he was perfectly loyal.
822
00:40:51,083 --> 00:40:52,708
Whatever Warren
wanted to happen,
823
00:40:52,708 --> 00:40:55,375
didn't matter what it was,
he would do.
824
00:40:55,375 --> 00:40:58,708
The people there
that follow Warren Jeffs
825
00:40:58,708 --> 00:41:02,125
have taken it upon themselves
to do everything Warren says,
826
00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:04,375
to be completely obedient.
827
00:41:04,375 --> 00:41:07,375
And Warren has told them
to give him their paycheck,
828
00:41:07,375 --> 00:41:08,833
everything they make.
829
00:41:08,833 --> 00:41:11,625
Not a portion of it,
all of it.
830
00:41:11,625 --> 00:41:14,625
The only things they have,
including food,
831
00:41:14,625 --> 00:41:19,750
is what the bishop, Lyle Jeffs,
says they can have.
832
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:21,958
So they're
in a real predicament.
833
00:41:22,833 --> 00:41:24,583
[Warren]
There is only one man
834
00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:26,458
on the Earth at a time,
835
00:41:26,458 --> 00:41:28,750
who holds the keys of power...
836
00:41:30,416 --> 00:41:34,166
and all other priesthood bearers
837
00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:38,458
only have authority to do
the Prophet's will.
838
00:41:40,166 --> 00:41:41,583
Warren's being pursued
839
00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:43,458
by law enforcement
all around the country,
840
00:41:43,458 --> 00:41:45,916
but that doesn't mean we're
just gonna sit on the couch
841
00:41:45,916 --> 00:41:47,750
and wait around
for him to be caught.
842
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,750
Sam was out beating the bushes--
more tips, more information.
843
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:53,625
And every time we got a tip,
you know, he and I were on it.
844
00:41:53,625 --> 00:41:58,375
I had found out
about this compound in Mancos,
845
00:41:58,375 --> 00:42:00,291
and that's when
Jon and I decided
846
00:42:00,291 --> 00:42:02,458
that we needed
to go check this place out.
847
00:42:02,458 --> 00:42:03,708
[Jon]
He called me up and said,
848
00:42:03,708 --> 00:42:05,458
"You're not gonna
believe this story.
849
00:42:05,458 --> 00:42:07,333
This young girl, Janetta Jessop,
850
00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:09,833
you know, disappeared
from her family in Short Creek,
851
00:42:09,833 --> 00:42:13,625
and she was married off
to be one of Warren's wives."
852
00:42:13,625 --> 00:42:16,458
I got to where I couldn't sleep,
I couldn't eat,
853
00:42:16,458 --> 00:42:19,333
I couldn't focus,
I couldn't think.
854
00:42:19,333 --> 00:42:21,125
So I broke the rules on purpose.
855
00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:23,166
I just used the phone,
that's it.
856
00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:25,708
And another sister, who had
already left the religion,
857
00:42:25,708 --> 00:42:27,708
you know, was trying
to rescue her.
858
00:42:27,708 --> 00:42:29,666
And Sam said,
"We gotta do something.
859
00:42:29,666 --> 00:42:31,375
Here's the details."
860
00:42:31,375 --> 00:42:34,416
I told her, "I'm somewhere
I don't want to be,
861
00:42:34,416 --> 00:42:36,083
and I need your help.
862
00:42:36,083 --> 00:42:38,250
I want to get out of here,
you know."
863
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:40,333
So, you know,
he drove from Utah,
864
00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,708
and I drove from
the front range of Colorado.
865
00:42:42,708 --> 00:42:45,083
And the next day,
we went out to check out
866
00:42:45,083 --> 00:42:47,083
this weird
and these beautiful mountains.
867
00:42:47,083 --> 00:42:49,375
I mean, Warren has
really good taste in real estate
868
00:42:49,375 --> 00:42:51,000
and he picks good places.
869
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,333
He's got unlimited money.
870
00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:54,000
It's this beautiful place
below the San Juan Mountains,
871
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,416
and he built these, you know,
really attractive log homes.
872
00:42:58,416 --> 00:43:00,958
Our secrecy was blown
by a television reporter
873
00:43:00,958 --> 00:43:04,666
who told us, you know, he'd wait
until we checked it out.
874
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:07,583
[reporter]
Nestled at the base
875
00:43:07,583 --> 00:43:09,583
of the majestic
Rocky Mountains,
876
00:43:09,583 --> 00:43:12,291
in the southwest corner
of Colorado,
877
00:43:12,291 --> 00:43:14,750
the tiny town of Mancos
rocked today
878
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:18,583
with talk about the new folks
in the community:
879
00:43:18,583 --> 00:43:20,625
the polygamists
who recently bought
880
00:43:20,625 --> 00:43:24,125
about 60 acres
just outside of town.
881
00:43:24,125 --> 00:43:26,250
[Jon] Warren Jeffs
was there at the time.
882
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:28,458
Janetta Jessop was there.
883
00:43:28,458 --> 00:43:30,375
It was an opportunity we lost.
884
00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:34,625
When one of the other ladies
found me, she told me,
885
00:43:34,625 --> 00:43:38,375
she says, "If you don't
tell him what you did,
886
00:43:38,375 --> 00:43:40,125
then I will."
887
00:43:40,125 --> 00:43:43,208
And she was serious. I'm like,
"Okay, then I'll tell him."
888
00:43:43,208 --> 00:43:44,750
So, that night I told him,
889
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:47,500
and that night
he sent me home to my parents.
890
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,458
And the very next day,
the very next day,
891
00:43:50,458 --> 00:43:52,583
that's when
Child Protective Services came.
892
00:43:52,583 --> 00:43:57,500
And they took me down
to St. George without my parents
893
00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:00,250
and questioned me.
894
00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:02,083
And 20 questions, you know.
895
00:44:02,083 --> 00:44:03,666
But Warren Jeffs told me,
he says,
896
00:44:03,666 --> 00:44:05,750
"If you tell them
what they want to know,
897
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:07,583
then, because you're not 18,
898
00:44:07,583 --> 00:44:10,416
they'll put you
into foster care."
899
00:44:12,791 --> 00:44:15,333
[Warren]
Outwardly,
900
00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:16,791
you're all beautiful.
901
00:44:17,791 --> 00:44:19,583
You dress right.
902
00:44:19,583 --> 00:44:21,708
You learned to do
your hair right.
903
00:44:21,708 --> 00:44:23,833
But, inwardly,
904
00:44:23,833 --> 00:44:27,666
some of you ladies are
so far distant from me,
905
00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:31,708
you don't even comprehend
what oneness is.
906
00:44:31,708 --> 00:44:35,125
Your condition
of a lack of oneness
907
00:44:35,125 --> 00:44:37,041
is driving me away.
908
00:44:38,416 --> 00:44:40,583
And over a period of time,
we start finding out
909
00:44:40,583 --> 00:44:44,250
that, my gosh, Warren's
spreading out, you know,
910
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:46,541
which is really disconcerting,
911
00:44:46,541 --> 00:44:50,041
you know, from
a criminal justice standpoint.
912
00:44:53,291 --> 00:44:54,791
[Jon]
This place is important.
913
00:44:54,791 --> 00:44:57,208
It looks like they're
building a deep bunker.
914
00:44:57,208 --> 00:44:58,833
They built
a concrete batch plant
915
00:44:58,833 --> 00:45:01,250
'cause they're gonna be pouring
so much concrete.
916
00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:03,458
It looks like, if I had to
guess, this could be a bunker
917
00:45:03,458 --> 00:45:07,541
where the elite will ride out,
you know, the apocalypse.
918
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:12,666
[Sam] Is that-- What is that,
a hole in the ground?
919
00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:14,375
[man]
Yeah, there's--
920
00:45:14,375 --> 00:45:16,708
I mean, there's like
three football fields there.
921
00:45:16,708 --> 00:45:19,291
Three football fields? Wow.
922
00:45:19,291 --> 00:45:20,666
I'll bet it is.
923
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:25,833
[Rick] I mean, this is
as remote as it gets.
924
00:45:25,833 --> 00:45:28,333
-It's quiet down there.
-Yeah.
925
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:30,166
The girls are always quiet.
926
00:45:30,166 --> 00:45:33,375
You hear kids,
but very seldom now.
927
00:45:33,375 --> 00:45:35,333
Before, we used to hear
the kids.
928
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,583
Yeah. Have you seen any--
like those big Conex boxes,
929
00:45:38,583 --> 00:45:40,625
sea containers, coming in
or anything like that?
930
00:45:40,625 --> 00:45:42,791
[Karl] Well, that comes in
on the flatbed,
931
00:45:42,791 --> 00:45:45,166
if not once a week,
every other week.
932
00:45:45,166 --> 00:45:47,916
-Oh, yeah?
-There's a semi that comes in,
933
00:45:47,916 --> 00:45:51,875
and it's usually about six
o'clock, seven o'clock, at dusk.
934
00:45:54,458 --> 00:45:57,166
[Sam] They're not static.
They're dynamic, you know.
935
00:45:57,166 --> 00:45:59,333
And they're at the whims
of a madman.
936
00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:02,875
So, anything can happen
at any time.
937
00:46:07,166 --> 00:46:08,708
[Jon]
This is beautiful this morning,
938
00:46:08,708 --> 00:46:10,708
but it's kind of
the least attractive.
939
00:46:10,708 --> 00:46:13,291
You know, Colorado.
It's Mancos.
940
00:46:13,291 --> 00:46:15,208
And the beautiful woods
below the San Juan Mountains,
941
00:46:15,208 --> 00:46:16,791
and South Dakota.
942
00:46:16,791 --> 00:46:18,833
-It's in the Black Hills and--
-Yeah.
943
00:46:18,833 --> 00:46:21,458
It's really, uh...
[chuckles]
944
00:46:21,458 --> 00:46:25,208
I guess when you got
unlimited money to spend and--
945
00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:29,166
But this is where he built
a new church--
946
00:46:29,166 --> 00:46:30,541
Jerusalem-type.
947
00:46:30,541 --> 00:46:33,875
-Yeah.
-Zion. This is Zion, yeah.
948
00:46:34,916 --> 00:46:37,375
[Jon] You know, they bought
this 1,800 acres or whatever
949
00:46:37,375 --> 00:46:40,583
four miles down the road
from what turned out to be
950
00:46:40,583 --> 00:46:44,083
this brilliant and dogged
reporter, you know,
951
00:46:44,083 --> 00:46:46,583
one-man newspaper,
952
00:46:46,583 --> 00:46:48,791
who, uh...
[chuckles]
953
00:46:48,791 --> 00:46:52,583
-I know.
-who didn't just blow it off.
954
00:46:52,583 --> 00:46:54,583
Mm-hmm.
955
00:46:57,541 --> 00:46:59,416
You know, ten years ago,
956
00:46:59,416 --> 00:47:02,041
we had never heard of
Warren Jeffs or the FLDS,
957
00:47:02,041 --> 00:47:06,791
or didn't even think polygamy
still existed in America.
958
00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:09,333
So, when we first learned
about this,
959
00:47:09,333 --> 00:47:10,916
we were afraid
960
00:47:10,916 --> 00:47:13,583
we were gonna blow this story
out of proportion,
961
00:47:13,583 --> 00:47:15,458
that we were overreporting it,
962
00:47:15,458 --> 00:47:19,541
and that we weren't gonna
do service to the story.
963
00:47:19,541 --> 00:47:21,125
So, you came into town
964
00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:23,375
just as we were putting out
our very first paper.
965
00:47:23,375 --> 00:47:25,333
And I walked in.
966
00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:27,750
Kathy and I had not met you yet.
967
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:31,958
And you kind of put us at ease
and explained to us
968
00:47:31,958 --> 00:47:34,291
that you thought we had gotten
the story about right.
969
00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:37,583
[Jon] It must've even freaked
you out when they came here
970
00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:39,916
and you found out that
they'd bought 1,200 acres,
971
00:47:39,916 --> 00:47:42,291
-or something like that.
-More like 1,600.
972
00:47:42,291 --> 00:47:44,500
[Kathy]
No, 1,691.
973
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:47,416
-1,691 acres.
-1,691 acres.
974
00:47:47,416 --> 00:47:49,875
Wow. I mean, that's a big ranch.
975
00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:56,041
Back in 2004,
976
00:47:56,041 --> 00:47:59,041
our local newspaper editor,
Randy Mankin,
977
00:47:59,041 --> 00:48:01,958
made a phone call to me
at my house.
978
00:48:01,958 --> 00:48:04,500
So, that's the first that
I actually had heard about it.
979
00:48:06,125 --> 00:48:08,083
By then, you know,
the newspaper had already done
980
00:48:08,083 --> 00:48:10,708
an article on it and what
it was possibly linked to.
981
00:48:10,708 --> 00:48:12,166
So, there was a lot of interest.
982
00:48:12,166 --> 00:48:13,833
There was a lot of fear
in the community--
983
00:48:13,833 --> 00:48:16,500
what they may be about,
what they could be about.
984
00:48:18,083 --> 00:48:19,375
When it was confirmed
985
00:48:19,375 --> 00:48:21,791
that they were Fundamentalist
Latter-day Saints,
986
00:48:21,791 --> 00:48:24,500
that's basically what we had,
you know, to overcome,
987
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:26,083
a huge learning curve,
988
00:48:26,083 --> 00:48:28,041
in order to find out
about this group,
989
00:48:28,041 --> 00:48:31,125
'cause we, frankly, didn't know
anything about 'em.
990
00:48:31,125 --> 00:48:34,583
-JD? Good to see you.
-How're you doing, buddy?
991
00:48:36,666 --> 00:48:40,250
[Jon] Randy arranged for me
to fly with JD in his plane,
992
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:43,625
and we got up at dawn
and took off through the fog.
993
00:48:43,625 --> 00:48:46,208
And, you know, just through
our first pass--
994
00:48:46,208 --> 00:48:49,000
you know, we're moving fast,
and I had a telephoto lens--
995
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,750
I saw people and cars
on the right side of the temple.
996
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:53,208
So, I just start clicking.
997
00:48:53,208 --> 00:48:55,541
And, you know, I didn't really
know what I was seeing.
998
00:48:55,541 --> 00:48:58,958
And did another pass, and
clicking, clicking, clicking.
999
00:48:58,958 --> 00:49:01,708
And by the third pass,
they were all gone
1000
00:49:01,708 --> 00:49:05,041
and there were a couple
of SUV's zooming away.
1001
00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:07,708
So, we landed, and I went
to Randy's office
1002
00:49:07,708 --> 00:49:10,375
and downloaded
my digital camera and--
1003
00:49:10,375 --> 00:49:12,208
"Holy shit. Look at this."
1004
00:49:12,208 --> 00:49:14,250
There's a tall, skinny guy
surrounded.
1005
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:17,041
When we first flew over,
they were kind of a loose group.
1006
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,208
And then they all
huddled around him,
1007
00:49:19,208 --> 00:49:21,708
like to protect him
like penguins or something.
1008
00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:23,583
And I looked at this picture
1009
00:49:23,583 --> 00:49:25,416
and, man,
that's Warren, I think.
1010
00:49:25,416 --> 00:49:26,958
And there's like 70 people,
1011
00:49:26,958 --> 00:49:28,583
and they're all dressed
in their Sunday best.
1012
00:49:31,041 --> 00:49:32,666
[Randy]
Once we saw
1013
00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:35,250
the enlarged version
of this photo,
1014
00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:36,666
we were fairly certain
1015
00:49:36,666 --> 00:49:39,041
that it was, indeed,
Warren Jeffs who was here.
1016
00:49:39,041 --> 00:49:40,791
Something fairly important
was going on.
1017
00:49:40,791 --> 00:49:43,375
As it turned out,
we learned that
1018
00:49:43,375 --> 00:49:46,083
that was the temple dedication.
1019
00:49:46,083 --> 00:49:48,250
And so, we knew then
that was not just--
1020
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:51,416
it wasn't just gonna be
a cluster of little houses,
1021
00:49:51,416 --> 00:49:55,083
that they were, indeed,
gonna build something grander.
1022
00:49:55,083 --> 00:49:57,125
Yeah, it was gonna be
the world headquarters
1023
00:49:57,125 --> 00:49:59,750
of the FLDS church right here.
1024
00:49:59,750 --> 00:50:01,208
Of Warren Jeffs'
theological empire.
1025
00:50:01,208 --> 00:50:03,083
Right here in Schleicher County.
1026
00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:05,458
[Randy] Right. That was
a breakthrough photo.
1027
00:50:07,333 --> 00:50:09,833
[Jon] We knew that this is
where they're coming,
1028
00:50:09,833 --> 00:50:13,250
and we had suspicions
that this is the big place,
1029
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:15,458
this is the Zion,
this is the new--
1030
00:50:15,458 --> 00:50:17,125
this is Zion.
1031
00:50:17,125 --> 00:50:19,125
[Thomas]
You know, I was in my truck,
1032
00:50:19,125 --> 00:50:22,625
watching 24 , season six,
I remember.
1033
00:50:23,791 --> 00:50:25,708
I was right in the middle of it,
1034
00:50:25,708 --> 00:50:28,125
and Father called me up
1035
00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:31,416
and says, you know,
"What are you doing?"
1036
00:50:31,416 --> 00:50:34,458
And I'm just like, ah,
"Oh, nothing really.
1037
00:50:34,458 --> 00:50:38,000
Just kind of just, you know,
cleaning up the shop."
1038
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,416
Just trying to evade,
you know, being caught.
1039
00:50:41,416 --> 00:50:44,083
And he says, "Well, come over
to my office and talk to me."
1040
00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:46,791
And I thought,
"Oh, man... I am caught.
1041
00:50:46,791 --> 00:50:49,083
I'm in big trouble."
1042
00:50:49,083 --> 00:50:51,916
You know, so I went over there
and we chatted for a minute,
1043
00:50:51,916 --> 00:50:54,000
and he says,
1044
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,666
"Well, the Lord has whispered
your name to the Prophet,
1045
00:50:57,666 --> 00:51:00,625
and you get to go
down on the ranch.
1046
00:51:00,625 --> 00:51:02,250
So, pack your bags."
1047
00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:05,666
And I was just like, "Really?
Is that what all this is about?"
1048
00:51:07,208 --> 00:51:09,458
I thought I was--
for sure I was in trouble.
1049
00:51:09,458 --> 00:51:10,875
But he--
1050
00:51:10,875 --> 00:51:14,208
You know, it was, like, okay.
1051
00:51:14,208 --> 00:51:17,250
So, you know, I left there,
and you know what?
1052
00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:19,500
I'm not gonna get another chance
to watch a movie,
1053
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,041
so I'm gonna go finish this.
1054
00:51:22,541 --> 00:51:25,083
So, I went and finished
that season.
1055
00:51:27,208 --> 00:51:30,541
And then, of course,
I packed bags
1056
00:51:30,541 --> 00:51:32,458
and moved down on the ranch.
1057
00:51:33,958 --> 00:51:37,541
[Warren] To go on with me
in the redemption of Zion,
1058
00:51:37,541 --> 00:51:40,875
you must be filled
with the heavenly fire,
1059
00:51:40,875 --> 00:51:43,291
or you will be damned
1060
00:51:43,291 --> 00:51:46,208
and you will lose your place.
1061
00:51:46,208 --> 00:51:49,291
How much more straight
do I have to talk?
1062
00:51:52,166 --> 00:51:57,125
I was sent away
in December of 2010...
1063
00:51:58,083 --> 00:52:01,166
because I was,
supposedly, immoral.
1064
00:52:01,166 --> 00:52:03,250
I don't know why.
1065
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:06,250
I was actually put in charge
of the dairy down there.
1066
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:08,458
My schedule was
pretty darn full.
1067
00:52:08,458 --> 00:52:11,791
I mean, I had to wake up
at 2:30, go milk cows.
1068
00:52:11,791 --> 00:52:14,125
After that, it was prayers
1069
00:52:14,125 --> 00:52:17,583
and had to go straight
into working construction.
1070
00:52:17,583 --> 00:52:21,875
Working, doing whatever project
they had going on.
1071
00:52:21,875 --> 00:52:25,583
And they only gave you
two hours of sleep.
1072
00:52:25,583 --> 00:52:29,500
I went to bed at midnight,
one o'clock.
1073
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:32,916
Had to get back up at 2:30
in the morning, every morning.
1074
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:35,250
All the men--
1075
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:38,333
I mean, even the boys were
supposed to work those hours.
1076
00:52:38,333 --> 00:52:40,791
I mean, boys that are,
1077
00:52:40,791 --> 00:52:44,375
you know, 13, 14,
all the way up to--
1078
00:52:44,375 --> 00:52:46,000
Even the old men.
1079
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,083
I mean, men that are,
you know, 60-plus years old,
1080
00:52:48,083 --> 00:52:50,208
they had to be
out there working, too.
1081
00:52:50,208 --> 00:52:54,291
So, it was really just
a slave camp, to say the least.
1082
00:52:55,416 --> 00:52:58,625
You could see in a lot
of the people's eyes
1083
00:52:58,625 --> 00:53:01,750
where they...
they didn't feel good,
1084
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:03,875
but they had to keep pushing.
1085
00:53:03,875 --> 00:53:07,166
I mean, if--
The way he put it is,
1086
00:53:07,166 --> 00:53:09,333
you work until you're tired,
1087
00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:11,666
and you ask the Lord
for strength to continue on,
1088
00:53:11,666 --> 00:53:13,125
and you keep pushing.
1089
00:53:17,083 --> 00:53:18,875
[Sam]
If you're a young man
1090
00:53:18,875 --> 00:53:22,166
and you want to try and
distinguish yourself somehow,
1091
00:53:22,166 --> 00:53:25,041
you want to do well
in the church.
1092
00:53:25,041 --> 00:53:27,208
About the only way to do that
1093
00:53:27,208 --> 00:53:30,166
is to contribute more money.
1094
00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:32,416
If you can bring in more money,
you can get a wife.
1095
00:53:32,416 --> 00:53:35,208
If you can get a wife,
you can have children.
1096
00:53:35,208 --> 00:53:37,166
If you can have children,
1097
00:53:37,166 --> 00:53:39,125
you can start placing
these children,
1098
00:53:39,125 --> 00:53:42,208
you know, if they're girls,
in prominent homes
1099
00:53:42,208 --> 00:53:44,625
and maybe with church leaders.
1100
00:53:44,625 --> 00:53:46,666
And you can start getting
more wives.
1101
00:53:46,666 --> 00:53:48,875
And your sons can go to work,
1102
00:53:48,875 --> 00:53:51,250
and you can have lots of labor
1103
00:53:51,250 --> 00:53:54,333
and build up your business,
and make more money,
1104
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:56,333
and contribute more,
1105
00:53:56,333 --> 00:53:58,458
and get more wives,
and have more children.
1106
00:53:58,458 --> 00:54:01,500
And that's the cycle of things
within the FLDS.
1107
00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:04,208
The currency is,
1108
00:54:04,208 --> 00:54:07,125
without question,
women and children.
1109
00:54:07,125 --> 00:54:10,375
That's what makes this society,
1110
00:54:10,375 --> 00:54:12,625
this... this..
1111
00:54:12,625 --> 00:54:14,333
syndicate, run.
1112
00:54:15,375 --> 00:54:17,541
Man, a couple of times,
we thought, "We got him.
1113
00:54:17,541 --> 00:54:18,958
He's in our grasp."
1114
00:54:18,958 --> 00:54:20,791
But it turns out he was
always a step ahead of us.
1115
00:54:20,791 --> 00:54:23,958
You know, he was a fugitive
from justice through the FBI.
1116
00:54:23,958 --> 00:54:27,125
So, that was, you know,
through the whole United States.
1117
00:54:27,125 --> 00:54:29,833
But he was being
looked for in Utah.
1118
00:54:29,833 --> 00:54:32,291
He was being looked for
in Las Vegas, Nevada,
1119
00:54:32,291 --> 00:54:35,208
and up in that area where
he was known to travel a lot.
1120
00:54:35,208 --> 00:54:38,375
They actually did
pretty good, I'd say,
1121
00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:40,708
as far as evading the FBI.
1122
00:54:40,708 --> 00:54:42,750
You know, they kept
the burner phones.
1123
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:44,291
That's what we called them.
1124
00:54:44,291 --> 00:54:46,291
It's the cheap pre-paids.
1125
00:54:46,291 --> 00:54:49,916
He kept just
each different circle,
1126
00:54:49,916 --> 00:54:51,666
and those phones in that circle
1127
00:54:51,666 --> 00:54:54,500
did not call
outside that circle.
1128
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:56,416
And, really, that's kind of how
1129
00:54:56,416 --> 00:55:00,666
they kept away from the law
for that long.
1130
00:55:00,666 --> 00:55:04,125
[attorney] Let me call
your attention to Exhibit 7.
1131
00:55:05,416 --> 00:55:09,625
It says there:
"No person, no court,
1132
00:55:09,625 --> 00:55:13,625
no government, no people
on the face of the whole Earth
1133
00:55:13,625 --> 00:55:17,416
has the right or authority
to bring God into question
1134
00:55:17,416 --> 00:55:21,833
what He has His prophets do
in the celestial law."
1135
00:55:23,416 --> 00:55:26,041
[Jon] He went on
this kind of tour of America
1136
00:55:26,041 --> 00:55:28,708
where he got his people
he trusted most,
1137
00:55:28,708 --> 00:55:30,583
and they dressed
in civilian clothes,
1138
00:55:30,583 --> 00:55:34,541
and he went to some of the
famous places in the LDS history
1139
00:55:34,541 --> 00:55:36,458
because the FLDS think
they're the true church.
1140
00:55:36,458 --> 00:55:39,625
The Mormon Church was perverted
when it gave up polygamy,
1141
00:55:39,625 --> 00:55:41,583
you know,
in the nineteenth century.
1142
00:55:41,583 --> 00:55:44,625
It was not about him running,
1143
00:55:44,625 --> 00:55:47,791
although that's the impression
he gave the people.
1144
00:55:47,791 --> 00:55:51,333
It was about him being able
to live the good life
1145
00:55:51,333 --> 00:55:52,958
and drive big, fancy cars,
1146
00:55:52,958 --> 00:55:55,541
and go to the beach,
and go to Disneyland,
1147
00:55:55,541 --> 00:55:57,583
and live this double life,
1148
00:55:57,583 --> 00:56:00,375
and then come back
and be this pious prophet.
1149
00:56:00,375 --> 00:56:02,125
I don't know how many times
1150
00:56:02,125 --> 00:56:03,500
he might've been pulled over
for speeding,
1151
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:06,083
or he was pulled over
when he was riding a motorcycle.
1152
00:56:06,083 --> 00:56:07,916
He had definitely been
in the clutches.
1153
00:56:07,916 --> 00:56:10,041
He didn't have his I.D. saying
"I'm Warren Jeffs."
1154
00:56:10,041 --> 00:56:11,500
He'd give a fake name.
1155
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:13,541
But because he was on
the Ten Most Wanted list,
1156
00:56:13,541 --> 00:56:15,458
he happened to be pulled over
1157
00:56:15,458 --> 00:56:18,125
20 miles north of Las Vegas
on Interstate 15
1158
00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:20,708
by a cop who was aware.
1159
00:56:20,708 --> 00:56:23,666
Warren Jeffs' name stuck
in the back of his mind.
1160
00:56:23,666 --> 00:56:25,916
There was Warren
and one of his wives
1161
00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:27,458
and his brother in the car,
1162
00:56:27,458 --> 00:56:29,208
and they were carrying
all this cash.
1163
00:56:29,208 --> 00:56:31,125
They had all these computers.
1164
00:56:31,125 --> 00:56:32,625
[Sam] And then he looked
in the backseat,
1165
00:56:32,625 --> 00:56:34,416
and Warren was in the backseat,
1166
00:56:34,416 --> 00:56:36,083
and he was eating a salad,
1167
00:56:36,083 --> 00:56:37,666
and he wouldn't even look
at the trooper.
1168
00:56:37,666 --> 00:56:39,208
He just kept eating the salad.
1169
00:56:39,208 --> 00:56:41,250
But the trooper said,
in his testimony,
1170
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:42,708
that when he
looked at Warren,
1171
00:56:42,708 --> 00:56:45,375
he could see
the jugular vein on his neck
1172
00:56:45,375 --> 00:56:47,833
throbbing and going
back and forth,
1173
00:56:47,833 --> 00:56:51,000
and he said that was
a sure sign something was wrong.
1174
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,833
So, he had them all
get out of the car.
1175
00:56:53,833 --> 00:56:56,458
[Jon] He stopped them because
they had a temporary plate.
1176
00:56:56,458 --> 00:56:58,541
It was legal, but it
was kind of obscured.
1177
00:56:58,541 --> 00:57:01,500
And he separates them
and starts asking questions,
1178
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:03,875
and they all give the cop
a different story
1179
00:57:03,875 --> 00:57:05,416
about where they're going,
what they're doing,
1180
00:57:05,416 --> 00:57:06,791
and he can just smell it.
1181
00:57:06,791 --> 00:57:09,500
And finally he asks,
"Are you Warren Jeffs?"
1182
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:10,875
And Warren says, "Yes."
1183
00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:13,666
And once they realized
it was Warren, word spread.
1184
00:57:13,666 --> 00:57:16,708
It was like,
"My God, they got him."
1185
00:57:16,708 --> 00:57:18,208
[officer]
I'd like to announce the arrest
1186
00:57:18,208 --> 00:57:21,583
of FBI Top Ten Most Wanted
fugitive Warren Steed Jeffs.
1187
00:57:22,625 --> 00:57:27,458
I saw on TV that he had been
caught down in Las Vegas.
1188
00:57:27,458 --> 00:57:30,541
You know, all these years,
he preached about,
1189
00:57:30,541 --> 00:57:32,875
you know, not being worldly,
1190
00:57:32,875 --> 00:57:35,833
which meant not dressing like
the people in the outside world,
1191
00:57:35,833 --> 00:57:38,041
and the color red is forbidden
1192
00:57:38,041 --> 00:57:40,041
and, you know, all these things.
1193
00:57:40,041 --> 00:57:42,083
And how perfect
that he got caught
1194
00:57:42,083 --> 00:57:44,375
basically, you could say,
with his pants down
1195
00:57:44,375 --> 00:57:48,625
and in such a stupid,
little traffic stop.
1196
00:57:48,625 --> 00:57:51,666
I mean, it was just perfect
how everything went down.
1197
00:57:53,333 --> 00:57:55,583
[Elaine]
I can only imagine
1198
00:57:55,583 --> 00:57:57,541
that there was
some kind of devastation
1199
00:57:57,541 --> 00:57:59,916
that he even got caught,
in the first place.
1200
00:57:59,916 --> 00:58:04,000
I think he imagined that
he was so far above the law
1201
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,583
and that he could
get away with anything.
1202
00:58:08,166 --> 00:58:11,083
[Jon] He went through a period,
when he was on trial,
1203
00:58:11,083 --> 00:58:15,583
where he started telling
the closest people to him--
1204
00:58:15,583 --> 00:58:17,916
his brothers, his wives,
1205
00:58:17,916 --> 00:58:20,541
his bishops, his lawyers--
1206
00:58:20,541 --> 00:58:22,666
that "I'm a fraud."
1207
00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:08,250
It was sort of the one moment
when he was lucid
1208
00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:10,416
and honest and seeing reality.
1209
00:59:10,416 --> 00:59:12,958
But, you know, whenever
he'd tell this to people,
1210
00:59:12,958 --> 00:59:16,333
they said, "No, no, no, this is
just the devil speaking."
1211
00:59:16,333 --> 00:59:18,625
The people still believed
that he was the Prophet.
1212
00:59:18,625 --> 00:59:21,333
They didn't believe that
that was even true.
1213
00:59:21,333 --> 00:59:23,333
They said that,
"Well, he was drugged"
1214
00:59:23,333 --> 00:59:25,500
or "It was a stunt double."
1215
00:59:50,166 --> 00:59:52,416
Eventually, he realized,
1216
00:59:52,416 --> 00:59:55,375
"Huh, you really can fool some
of the people all the time.
1217
00:59:55,375 --> 00:59:58,250
I was just testing you.
You know, I was just--
1218
00:59:58,250 --> 01:00:01,375
It was just, Satan came
to my cell and told me this,
1219
01:00:01,375 --> 01:00:04,166
and then I realized it was
Satan making me say this."
1220
01:00:04,166 --> 01:00:05,833
And then he went back to:
1221
01:00:05,833 --> 01:00:08,208
"No, I'm the dude,
and you better listen."
1222
01:00:14,041 --> 01:00:15,583
You have to be willing
1223
01:00:15,583 --> 01:00:18,750
to pass the tests
that come upon you.
1224
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:21,458
And the test will always be:
1225
01:00:21,458 --> 01:00:25,041
Will you love Heavenly Father
and his prophets
1226
01:00:25,041 --> 01:00:27,250
more than your own selfishness?
1227
01:00:28,416 --> 01:00:29,833
While Warren was on trial
1228
01:00:29,833 --> 01:00:32,250
in southern Utah
for the Elissa Wall case,
1229
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:35,583
back in Texas
things were developing fast.
1230
01:00:35,583 --> 01:00:37,833
I'll give David Doran
credit for this.
1231
01:00:37,833 --> 01:00:40,833
I think he had a plan on the
shelf that had been worked out
1232
01:00:40,833 --> 01:00:43,416
with the Texas Department
of Public Safety,
1233
01:00:43,416 --> 01:00:45,166
with the Texas rangers.
1234
01:00:45,166 --> 01:00:50,583
They had a plan ready to go
in case something happened,
1235
01:00:50,583 --> 01:00:54,000
and that something happened
in April of 2008.
1236
01:00:54,958 --> 01:00:57,041
[Warren]
All around us,
1237
01:00:57,041 --> 01:00:58,750
there are forces and powers
1238
01:00:58,750 --> 01:01:01,625
determined to enter in
and destroy us,
1239
01:01:01,625 --> 01:01:04,541
our lives, our virtue,
our faith.
1240
01:01:04,541 --> 01:01:06,416
[David]
Child Protective Services
1241
01:01:06,416 --> 01:01:09,875
received numerous calls
that there was a young lady
1242
01:01:09,875 --> 01:01:12,000
that was being abused
on the ranch.
1243
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,750
And the counselor there had felt
it was a legitimate call,
1244
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:16,708
and she felt there was a need
1245
01:01:16,708 --> 01:01:18,791
to call law enforcement
and call CPS.
1246
01:01:18,791 --> 01:01:20,833
[Jon] And this is not
that far from Waco.
1247
01:01:20,833 --> 01:01:23,250
So, hanging over
this whole thing is,
1248
01:01:23,250 --> 01:01:24,791
-That cloud.
-we got all these kids.
1249
01:01:24,791 --> 01:01:26,875
We cannot have another Waco.
1250
01:01:26,875 --> 01:01:28,875
[automatic gunfire]
1251
01:01:37,791 --> 01:01:41,833
So anytime you get
a group in your community
1252
01:01:41,833 --> 01:01:44,833
that has communal living,
you can't help but think,
1253
01:01:44,833 --> 01:01:48,416
"Hey, we have a potential
problem here like Waco."
1254
01:01:49,125 --> 01:01:51,125
The situation got
a little more tense
1255
01:01:51,125 --> 01:01:53,166
when we were serving
1256
01:01:53,166 --> 01:01:55,208
the building-to-building
search warrants.
1257
01:01:55,208 --> 01:01:58,000
In one of the areas
was the temple.
1258
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,375
They physically surrounded
the walls of the temple.
1259
01:02:01,375 --> 01:02:03,875
And from our understanding
at that point in time,
1260
01:02:03,875 --> 01:02:05,833
they were actually praying
for our destruction
1261
01:02:05,833 --> 01:02:07,083
before we went in.
1262
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,500
The children knew nothing.
1263
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,166
[Randy]
CPS got in the ranch.
1264
01:02:12,166 --> 01:02:15,083
They saw all these little girls
that were either pregnant
1265
01:02:15,083 --> 01:02:18,541
or had already had a child,
or both,
1266
01:02:18,541 --> 01:02:21,166
that were clearly underage.
1267
01:02:21,166 --> 01:02:22,916
What do you do?
1268
01:02:22,916 --> 01:02:25,333
Well, they started taking
the kids off the ranch,
1269
01:02:25,333 --> 01:02:29,208
thinking there were just a few
and they were gonna sort it out.
1270
01:02:29,208 --> 01:02:31,750
By the time the sun came up
the next morning,
1271
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:33,875
the state had a tiger
by the tail.
1272
01:02:33,875 --> 01:02:35,125
And what do you do?
1273
01:02:35,125 --> 01:02:39,791
So, eventually, the judge,
Judge Walther, said,
1274
01:02:39,791 --> 01:02:41,958
"Just get 'em off the ranch,
and we'll sort it out."
1275
01:02:41,958 --> 01:02:44,166
At that time,
we still only thought
1276
01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,583
there were only a handful
of kids out there.
1277
01:02:46,583 --> 01:02:48,500
And when they started
coming off the ranch,
1278
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:52,666
they just kept coming
and kept coming and kept coming.
1279
01:02:52,666 --> 01:02:54,708
A hundred, 200, 300.
1280
01:02:55,625 --> 01:02:57,416
I have three daughters in there
1281
01:02:57,416 --> 01:02:59,750
with little children still,
1282
01:02:59,750 --> 01:03:03,125
and I have five children
that were my sister's,
1283
01:03:03,125 --> 01:03:04,875
and she passed away.
1284
01:03:04,875 --> 01:03:06,708
I'm the legal guardian.
1285
01:03:06,708 --> 01:03:10,500
And then I have six of my own,
besides that,
1286
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:12,833
that are still there,
1287
01:03:12,833 --> 01:03:17,458
and I don't know
what's happening with them.
1288
01:03:17,458 --> 01:03:21,416
But I am-- I feel responsible
for all those children,
1289
01:03:21,416 --> 01:03:23,250
and they took 'em away.
1290
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,416
The appeals court
ultimately ruled
1291
01:03:25,416 --> 01:03:29,458
that the district court
had overstepped its bounds
1292
01:03:29,458 --> 01:03:31,916
in ordering all the children
off the ranch,
1293
01:03:31,916 --> 01:03:34,625
and they ordered the kids
to go back.
1294
01:03:34,625 --> 01:03:40,750
And the supreme court upheld
the appeals court ruling.
1295
01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:42,791
The kids were all sent back.
1296
01:03:42,791 --> 01:03:45,041
We know now that
a lot of the children
1297
01:03:45,041 --> 01:03:48,541
were returned to people
who were not their parents.
1298
01:03:48,541 --> 01:03:50,583
It was just a fiasco.
1299
01:03:51,833 --> 01:03:53,416
[Sam]
There were CPS investigators
1300
01:03:53,416 --> 01:03:55,375
that felt like they
were doing the right thing.
1301
01:03:55,375 --> 01:03:58,291
They were there on the ground.
They saw what was going on.
1302
01:03:58,291 --> 01:04:01,500
And they made
a really tough decision
1303
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:03,375
to pull all the children
off that ranch,
1304
01:04:03,375 --> 01:04:05,416
because they were
all in danger.
1305
01:04:05,416 --> 01:04:08,458
They had 'em here,
and then they gave 'em back.
1306
01:04:10,208 --> 01:04:12,083
[Jon]
But the raid wasn't a bust.
1307
01:04:12,083 --> 01:04:14,166
I mean, some good things
came from the raid, right?
1308
01:04:14,166 --> 01:04:17,666
[Sam] Yeah. You know,
there were 12 men arrested.
1309
01:04:17,666 --> 01:04:20,125
There were 11 convictions.
1310
01:04:20,125 --> 01:04:24,833
And it produced a treasure trove
of documents, pictures,
1311
01:04:24,833 --> 01:04:28,625
and the Priesthood Record,
which was used as evidence,
1312
01:04:28,625 --> 01:04:32,208
even now, and it will be
for years to come.
1313
01:04:33,833 --> 01:04:37,583
They did find evidence
of underage marriages.
1314
01:04:37,583 --> 01:04:41,000
They found evidence
of pregnant underage girls,
1315
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,625
and that led into
the Texas rangers
1316
01:04:44,625 --> 01:04:47,666
doing a subsequent
criminal investigation
1317
01:04:47,666 --> 01:04:49,791
in where they identified
the suspects
1318
01:04:49,791 --> 01:04:52,291
and they identified, you know,
Warren Jeffs, as well,
1319
01:04:52,291 --> 01:04:54,625
being implicated in this crime,
1320
01:04:54,625 --> 01:04:57,000
in the crime
of sexual abuse of a child.
1321
01:04:58,041 --> 01:05:00,666
I mean, we always knew
how sick Warren was.
1322
01:05:00,666 --> 01:05:03,250
We'd have people tell us
some of the things he'd done.
1323
01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:05,833
But we never really knew
the magnitude of it--
1324
01:05:05,833 --> 01:05:09,083
how sick he really was,
how young the girls were.
1325
01:05:09,083 --> 01:05:12,666
There were so many insights
into Warren's character
1326
01:05:12,666 --> 01:05:16,166
and his deviancy
and his insanity,
1327
01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:19,166
that now here was the proof
in his own words.
1328
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:22,291
[attorney]
Do you remember dictating
1329
01:05:22,291 --> 01:05:25,041
on November 24, 2003:
1330
01:05:25,041 --> 01:05:28,541
"The Lord is showing me the
young girls of this community
1331
01:05:28,541 --> 01:05:31,791
will be taken care of
at a younger age.
1332
01:05:31,791 --> 01:05:34,041
As the government
finds out about this,
1333
01:05:34,041 --> 01:05:37,500
it will bring such a great
pressure upon us, upon me,
1334
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:41,375
and also upon the girls
who are placed in marriage."
1335
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:51,166
When Warren went
to trial in Washington County,
1336
01:05:51,166 --> 01:05:53,916
there was a little bit
of evidence, a recording,
1337
01:05:53,916 --> 01:05:57,500
of the rape of 12-year-old
Merrianne Jessop.
1338
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:01,416
And the tape portrayed
just the most vile,
1339
01:06:01,416 --> 01:06:03,583
disgusting,
1340
01:06:03,583 --> 01:06:05,791
um, twisted...
1341
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:09,916
scene you could ever imagine.
1342
01:06:11,416 --> 01:06:13,666
That tape was discovered,
1343
01:06:13,666 --> 01:06:15,791
and it was not admitted
into evidence
1344
01:06:15,791 --> 01:06:19,041
because it was determined
by the court
1345
01:06:19,041 --> 01:06:21,250
that it would be
too inflammatory
1346
01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:23,583
to introduce it as evidence.
1347
01:06:23,583 --> 01:06:26,458
I want to congratulate
the victims of Warren Jeffs,
1348
01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:28,458
who first were willing
to come forward
1349
01:06:28,458 --> 01:06:31,083
and tell their stories
to law enforcement,
1350
01:06:31,083 --> 01:06:35,000
who had the courage
to go up against a man
1351
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,041
who everybody around them
believed to be
1352
01:06:39,041 --> 01:06:41,083
the representative
of God on Earth,
1353
01:06:41,083 --> 01:06:43,291
if not God himself on Earth.
1354
01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:46,000
It took great courage for them
to come forward.
1355
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,000
All this hard work.
Utah, tough case.
1356
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,583
The prosecutors did
a brilliant job.
1357
01:06:50,583 --> 01:06:52,333
You know, the case looked
like they were losing,
1358
01:06:52,333 --> 01:06:55,541
and the prosecutor gave this
tremendous closing argument.
1359
01:06:55,541 --> 01:06:59,791
You know, saved the day,
conviction, jury votes,
1360
01:06:59,791 --> 01:07:03,000
convict this guy,
send him away forever,
1361
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,291
you know, we hoped.
1362
01:07:05,291 --> 01:07:06,958
[reporter]
Jurors deliberated
1363
01:07:06,958 --> 01:07:09,083
for about 16 hours
over three days
1364
01:07:09,083 --> 01:07:12,166
before returning with a guilty
verdict for Warren Jeffs,
1365
01:07:12,166 --> 01:07:15,000
seen here on the far left
of the screen.
1366
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,166
He showed no emotion
as the verdict was read.
1367
01:07:18,166 --> 01:07:19,708
He was convicted,
1368
01:07:19,708 --> 01:07:22,333
and then it was appealed to
the state supreme court of Utah,
1369
01:07:22,333 --> 01:07:25,416
and it was overturned
by a judge who had an agenda.
1370
01:07:25,416 --> 01:07:29,041
You know, it was--
it was very depressing.
1371
01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,333
[female reporter]
Polygamist leader Warren Jeffs
1372
01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:34,333
getting a new trial
after the Utah supreme court
1373
01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:36,666
reversed the convictions
against him,
1374
01:07:36,666 --> 01:07:38,916
the court ruling
the jury members
1375
01:07:38,916 --> 01:07:42,416
received the wrong instructions
when they made their decision.
1376
01:07:42,416 --> 01:07:46,291
The court announced its decision
on the very morning
1377
01:07:46,291 --> 01:07:48,958
Jeffs was supposed to have
his extradition hearing
1378
01:07:48,958 --> 01:07:51,916
for charges he faces in Texas.
1379
01:07:51,916 --> 01:07:55,375
Once the raid happened,
suddenly Texas charges
1380
01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:59,250
were much more serious
than those Arizona or Utah had,
1381
01:07:59,250 --> 01:08:01,375
and those two states
1382
01:08:01,375 --> 01:08:04,333
were willing to step back
and let Texas take the lead.
1383
01:08:08,541 --> 01:08:11,375
When I first met Warren,
what struck me is
1384
01:08:11,375 --> 01:08:14,583
he was kind of like a guy
that was in his own bubble,
1385
01:08:14,583 --> 01:08:16,291
in his own world.
1386
01:08:16,291 --> 01:08:19,375
There was times that we'd
observe him on camera,
1387
01:08:19,375 --> 01:08:20,750
that he would just--
1388
01:08:20,750 --> 01:08:22,542
Well, right here,
he would just sit there,
1389
01:08:22,542 --> 01:08:24,082
and he would stare
in the mirror.
1390
01:08:24,082 --> 01:08:25,958
I mean, he would stare
at himself in the mirror
1391
01:08:25,958 --> 01:08:28,291
for 30, 45 minutes.
1392
01:08:28,291 --> 01:08:30,207
Just sitting there,
staring at himself.
1393
01:08:30,207 --> 01:08:32,082
Or he may stand
in the middle of the room,
1394
01:08:32,082 --> 01:08:34,166
and he may just be
looking down at the floor.
1395
01:08:34,166 --> 01:08:35,875
And he would freeze
in that position,
1396
01:08:35,875 --> 01:08:37,792
sometimes up to an hour.
1397
01:08:37,792 --> 01:08:40,332
And I believe that was his way
of receiving revelation,
1398
01:08:40,332 --> 01:08:44,041
or whatever may be going on
in his head at the time.
1399
01:08:45,250 --> 01:08:49,207
He watched the news religiously
every day-- CNN, Fox.
1400
01:08:49,207 --> 01:08:52,291
Anytime there was any kind
of a natural disaster,
1401
01:08:52,291 --> 01:08:55,417
we noticed he started putting
that out in letter form
1402
01:08:55,417 --> 01:08:58,375
to the people
that he mailed letters to.
1403
01:08:58,375 --> 01:09:01,417
Like the incident,
the tidal wave that hit Japan.
1404
01:09:01,417 --> 01:09:05,041
He talked about that
and how he brought that on.
1405
01:09:05,041 --> 01:09:07,375
[Warren]
Our prophet has told us
1406
01:09:07,375 --> 01:09:10,291
there would be
a great destruction.
1407
01:09:10,291 --> 01:09:13,917
The wicked were swept off
by earthquake,
1408
01:09:13,917 --> 01:09:16,082
storms,
1409
01:09:16,082 --> 01:09:17,457
tidal waves.
1410
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,667
Within three hours,
1411
01:09:20,667 --> 01:09:24,166
millions of people were killed
1412
01:09:24,166 --> 01:09:26,332
and the Lord kept his word.
1413
01:09:27,792 --> 01:09:29,207
And every time
there was a disaster
1414
01:09:29,207 --> 01:09:30,542
or a natural disaster,
1415
01:09:30,542 --> 01:09:32,667
he had some kind
of revelation about it
1416
01:09:32,667 --> 01:09:36,457
that he would put forth
to people in his letters.
1417
01:09:36,457 --> 01:09:38,291
[Thomas] There was many more,
you know, tsunamis
1418
01:09:38,291 --> 01:09:40,125
that were supposed to happen.
1419
01:09:40,125 --> 01:09:41,875
There was hurricanes.
There was...
1420
01:09:42,582 --> 01:09:44,332
many more destructions.
1421
01:09:44,332 --> 01:09:47,082
Um, there was supposed to be
1422
01:09:47,082 --> 01:09:49,750
a massive windstorm
to come through Texas,
1423
01:09:49,750 --> 01:09:51,332
and we were supposed
to prepare for it.
1424
01:09:51,332 --> 01:09:54,000
So, you know, of course,
we tied down everything
1425
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,500
to get ready
for this big windstorm,
1426
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,125
and he said it would happen
the next week.
1427
01:09:58,125 --> 01:10:01,250
The next week went by,
and there was no windstorm.
1428
01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:02,875
[Sighs]
You know.
1429
01:10:02,875 --> 01:10:05,291
♪ How many roads ♪
1430
01:10:05,291 --> 01:10:09,457
♪ Must a man walk down ♪
1431
01:10:09,457 --> 01:10:15,708
♪ Before you call him a man? ♪
1432
01:10:16,958 --> 01:10:20,500
♪ The answer, my friend ♪
1433
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:24,332
♪ Is blowin' in the wind ♪
1434
01:10:24,332 --> 01:10:30,582
♪ The answer
is blowin' in the wind ♪
1435
01:10:30,582 --> 01:10:36,332
[children's choir]
♪ Each bright new day ♪
1436
01:10:36,332 --> 01:10:40,833
♪ Another gift ♪
1437
01:10:41,833 --> 01:10:46,082
♪ A chance to serve... ♪
1438
01:10:46,082 --> 01:10:50,332
[Sam]
This is the UEP community farm,
1439
01:10:50,332 --> 01:10:53,166
and we also call it
the launchpad.
1440
01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:55,291
It's one of
the places that Warren--
1441
01:10:55,291 --> 01:10:57,750
When the end of the world
was coming,
1442
01:10:57,750 --> 01:11:01,000
Warren had everybody gather
out in this field
1443
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,291
and wait for the end to come.
1444
01:11:04,291 --> 01:11:08,041
And they came out here
at like 6:00 in the morning,
1445
01:11:08,041 --> 01:11:11,291
anticipating being lifted up
1446
01:11:11,291 --> 01:11:15,207
and ushering in the millennium.
1447
01:11:15,207 --> 01:11:18,291
And when it never happened,
about 6:00 at night,
1448
01:11:18,291 --> 01:11:20,207
Warren came out and told them
1449
01:11:20,207 --> 01:11:24,708
that God had forsaken them
1450
01:11:24,708 --> 01:11:27,750
because they were not
righteous enough
1451
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:29,917
and that they needed
to try harder.
1452
01:11:29,917 --> 01:11:35,375
[Warren] Were it not for
the transgressions of my people,
1453
01:11:35,375 --> 01:11:39,082
they might have been redeemed,
even now.
1454
01:11:40,542 --> 01:11:43,041
But behold, they,
1455
01:11:43,041 --> 01:11:45,500
the priesthood people,
1456
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:49,417
have not learned to be obedient
1457
01:11:49,417 --> 01:11:54,250
to the things which I required
at their hands.
1458
01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:58,917
And my people
must need be chastened
1459
01:11:58,917 --> 01:12:03,000
until they learn obedience.
1460
01:12:04,207 --> 01:12:06,375
In fact, that's the reason
Warren's in prison,
1461
01:12:06,375 --> 01:12:10,625
is because he's... atoning
for their unrighteousness.
1462
01:12:11,708 --> 01:12:14,625
And that accomplishes
a couple things.
1463
01:12:14,625 --> 01:12:17,625
It keeps the people
really loyal and obedient,
1464
01:12:17,625 --> 01:12:22,291
but it also puts him
on the level of deity,
1465
01:12:22,291 --> 01:12:23,708
of a god.
1466
01:12:23,708 --> 01:12:26,332
[children's choir]
♪ And blessed I am... ♪
1467
01:12:26,332 --> 01:12:28,625
[Randy]
He tried to fire his lawyer
1468
01:12:28,625 --> 01:12:30,291
right at the last moment.
1469
01:12:30,291 --> 01:12:33,125
Judge Walther made them stay
in the courtroom
1470
01:12:33,125 --> 01:12:35,500
to be available to him.
1471
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:37,166
He offered no defense
1472
01:12:37,166 --> 01:12:41,625
except for the long, rambling
religious dissertations
1473
01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:45,125
very similar to some
of his revelations
1474
01:12:45,125 --> 01:12:47,958
and proclamations
that he releases now.
1475
01:12:47,958 --> 01:12:51,332
Uh, but when
he would be doing those,
1476
01:12:51,332 --> 01:12:53,708
[deep voice]
he would invoke his God voice.
1477
01:12:55,291 --> 01:12:58,250
He kept saying
the same things over about,
1478
01:12:58,250 --> 01:13:01,833
um, "You're trampling
on sacred documents"
1479
01:13:01,833 --> 01:13:03,667
when they would present
something,
1480
01:13:03,667 --> 01:13:08,500
and that we were defiling that
by viewing it.
1481
01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:10,667
[attorney]
Mr. Jeffs, isn't it true
1482
01:13:10,667 --> 01:13:14,166
that this has nothing to do
with religious persecution?
1483
01:13:14,166 --> 01:13:16,082
Doesn't all this boil down
1484
01:13:16,082 --> 01:13:18,500
to your desire to have sex
with little girls?
1485
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:21,582
[attorney #2] I instruct
my client not to answer that,
1486
01:13:21,582 --> 01:13:24,000
invoke his Fifth Amendment
privileges.
1487
01:13:25,375 --> 01:13:26,582
[attorney] Are you gonna
follow that counsel?
1488
01:13:28,375 --> 01:13:31,082
We all certainly believe
in freedom of religion.
1489
01:13:31,082 --> 01:13:32,582
That's what our country--
1490
01:13:32,582 --> 01:13:35,166
the principles
of our country's based on,
1491
01:13:35,166 --> 01:13:37,625
and you always want
to respect that.
1492
01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:40,291
But, at the same time,
1493
01:13:40,291 --> 01:13:43,708
anybody could use that
as a defense for any crime.
1494
01:13:43,708 --> 01:13:45,667
I mean, a murderer could say,
"That's my religion.
1495
01:13:45,667 --> 01:13:48,000
I believe in killing people."
1496
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,917
It just doesn't--
It doesn't fly.
1497
01:13:51,207 --> 01:13:54,207
[Warren] The world
so far outnumbers this people.
1498
01:13:55,291 --> 01:13:58,582
But by logic and reason,
1499
01:13:58,582 --> 01:14:02,708
the world justifies themselves
as being right
1500
01:14:02,708 --> 01:14:04,457
and we are wrong.
1501
01:14:06,291 --> 01:14:10,500
But we have a personal witness
1502
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:13,750
that all the world
does not have,
1503
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:16,207
that God lives,
1504
01:14:16,207 --> 01:14:19,500
the Prophet of God on the Earth,
1505
01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:23,417
and this Prophet
tells only the truth.
1506
01:14:26,625 --> 01:14:29,750
[Mary] The hardest part
was listening to the victims.
1507
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:32,667
You could tell they were trying
to hold back their emotions.
1508
01:14:32,667 --> 01:14:35,417
And then, as they were
telling their stories,
1509
01:14:35,417 --> 01:14:38,166
all of a sudden
the emotions would just explode,
1510
01:14:38,166 --> 01:14:42,041
and, um, it made you wonder,
you know,
1511
01:14:42,041 --> 01:14:44,207
"Is this just
the tip of the iceberg?
1512
01:14:44,207 --> 01:14:46,417
Is there--
Is there more?"
1513
01:14:51,041 --> 01:14:54,417
There was never any doubt
in anyone's mind.
1514
01:14:54,417 --> 01:14:57,250
After all of the mountains
of evidence that were presented,
1515
01:14:57,250 --> 01:14:59,500
there was no doubt
in anyone's mind
1516
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:01,457
that he was guilty.
1517
01:15:03,082 --> 01:15:05,667
The tape sealed it.
1518
01:15:05,667 --> 01:15:08,667
I mean, that was just--
You couldn't deny it.
1519
01:15:34,417 --> 01:15:36,041
[heavy breathing]
1520
01:15:45,958 --> 01:15:47,667
[heavy breathing]
1521
01:15:52,833 --> 01:15:54,417
[sighs]
1522
01:16:06,708 --> 01:16:09,500
[Randy] From that moment
forward, that trial,
1523
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:12,000
for all intents and purposes,
was over.
1524
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,750
And in the closing arguments,
1525
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:19,250
Warren Jeffs stands up,
and for 45--
1526
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:21,000
Do you remember
how long it was, Kathy?
1527
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,833
Forty-five minutes,
something like that,
1528
01:16:22,833 --> 01:16:26,457
without saying a single word,
just standing stark still.
1529
01:16:26,457 --> 01:16:29,750
[Mary] He went down the row
of all the jurors.
1530
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:33,750
He went from one person to
the next one, to the next one,
1531
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:37,582
and paused for just a moment
or two at each one,
1532
01:16:37,582 --> 01:16:41,792
and kind of tried
to stare us down, I guess.
1533
01:16:41,792 --> 01:16:44,207
And then at the end,
he turns to the jury and says,
1534
01:16:44,207 --> 01:16:45,917
"I'm at peace."
1535
01:16:45,917 --> 01:16:47,750
And he sits down.
1536
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:51,417
And the jury returned
a very quick verdict of guilty
1537
01:16:51,417 --> 01:16:55,375
and a very quick sentence
1538
01:16:55,375 --> 01:16:58,000
of life plus 20 years.
1539
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,582
He was too big of a coward
1540
01:16:59,582 --> 01:17:00,833
to even be
in the same room as me,
1541
01:17:00,833 --> 01:17:03,542
and asked to be taken out
of the courtroom
1542
01:17:03,542 --> 01:17:06,000
and placed into a room outside,
1543
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,542
in another room in the hallway.
1544
01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:10,750
But to be able to stand up
in front of everybody
1545
01:17:10,750 --> 01:17:13,457
and tell them my story,
1546
01:17:13,457 --> 01:17:16,542
and... testify against him,
1547
01:17:16,542 --> 01:17:19,667
and have everything that I say
1548
01:17:19,667 --> 01:17:21,958
and everybody else
that testified,
1549
01:17:21,958 --> 01:17:25,667
you know, shape this whole
entire thing against Warren
1550
01:17:25,667 --> 01:17:28,207
and have justice to be served
1551
01:17:28,207 --> 01:17:29,750
was the most liberating
1552
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:31,833
and amazing experience
I've ever had.
1553
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:37,125
[Elaine] I wanted to see him,
in person, get it.
1554
01:17:37,125 --> 01:17:38,875
[chuckles]
1555
01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,417
Yes.
1556
01:17:40,417 --> 01:17:42,291
I'd been angry with him
for years
1557
01:17:42,291 --> 01:17:46,582
for keeping my son and daughter
and my grandchildren from me,
1558
01:17:46,582 --> 01:17:50,207
and dictating that they could
not communicate with me
1559
01:17:50,207 --> 01:17:52,833
or even let me
in their home anymore.
1560
01:17:52,833 --> 01:17:54,917
I'd have been--
1561
01:17:54,917 --> 01:17:58,291
I'd have been really upset
if they hadn't convicted him.
1562
01:17:59,917 --> 01:18:02,875
[Brent] These awesome,
awesome Texas marshals
1563
01:18:02,875 --> 01:18:05,125
that were my buddies
down there at the time,
1564
01:18:05,125 --> 01:18:08,625
they had Warren
in shackles and everything.
1565
01:18:08,625 --> 01:18:10,417
And when we had left
the courtroom,
1566
01:18:10,417 --> 01:18:12,375
I was out in the hallway
by the elevator.
1567
01:18:12,375 --> 01:18:14,375
And, wouldn't ya know it,
1568
01:18:14,375 --> 01:18:16,625
they had brought Warren
up that elevator,
1569
01:18:16,625 --> 01:18:20,750
and out came Warren in shackles
and an orange jumpsuit.
1570
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:23,833
And I got to walk straight up
to him and stare him in the eyes
1571
01:18:23,833 --> 01:18:25,792
and say,
"You got what you deserved.
1572
01:18:25,792 --> 01:18:28,082
Justice has been served."
1573
01:18:28,082 --> 01:18:32,375
And I just felt ten feet tall
to be able to say that to him
1574
01:18:32,375 --> 01:18:35,166
and put this monster away
where he belongs.
1575
01:18:38,207 --> 01:18:40,332
[female attorney] Mr. Jeffs,
we've heard a lot of evidence
1576
01:18:40,332 --> 01:18:43,041
that is, frankly, shameful,
1577
01:18:43,041 --> 01:18:46,833
and it's odious
to every decent human being.
1578
01:18:46,833 --> 01:18:49,625
And, for that reason,
a jury convicted you
1579
01:18:49,625 --> 01:18:52,708
of heinous crimes
against children,
1580
01:18:52,708 --> 01:18:56,708
and you've been sentenced
to life in prison plus 20 years.
1581
01:18:56,708 --> 01:18:59,708
Do you feel any remorse
for what you've done?
1582
01:19:04,792 --> 01:19:07,291
Actually, Warren
has everything he wants.
1583
01:19:07,291 --> 01:19:09,041
You know, he's been martyred.
1584
01:19:09,041 --> 01:19:11,792
He's more popular than ever
among the faithful because--
1585
01:19:11,792 --> 01:19:13,833
He's just proven all his points.
1586
01:19:13,833 --> 01:19:16,375
"The evil state, you know,
is afraid of me,
1587
01:19:16,375 --> 01:19:18,332
and they're trying
to bring me down."
1588
01:19:18,332 --> 01:19:21,750
In some ways, he has
more control than he's ever had.
1589
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:24,417
But we've all been wounded
by this
1590
01:19:24,417 --> 01:19:26,708
because it was just this--
1591
01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:30,917
this overarching sense of dread
1592
01:19:30,917 --> 01:19:35,166
that just hung over this county
for ten years,
1593
01:19:35,166 --> 01:19:38,207
and it's not just been
suddenly lifted.
1594
01:19:38,207 --> 01:19:41,041
It's just kind of easing up,
1595
01:19:41,041 --> 01:19:44,125
and then we're left
with these lingering questions
1596
01:19:44,125 --> 01:19:45,917
of what do we do,
and how do we handle it,
1597
01:19:45,917 --> 01:19:47,708
and where do we go from here.
1598
01:19:47,708 --> 01:19:49,500
I'm left with the question of:
1599
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:51,667
What's going to happen
to those children?
1600
01:19:51,667 --> 01:19:53,708
'Cause even though
that group of children--
1601
01:19:53,708 --> 01:19:57,207
a lot of those are now
grown up and adults--
1602
01:19:57,207 --> 01:19:59,417
they're being followed
by others.
1603
01:19:59,417 --> 01:20:03,417
And what's happening
in Mancos, Colorado?
1604
01:20:03,417 --> 01:20:05,207
What's happening
in South Dakota?
1605
01:20:05,207 --> 01:20:08,625
What's happening in Short Creek?
Is anybody paying attention?
1606
01:20:09,958 --> 01:20:12,000
[Ben] I don't know what was
bugging me that day.
1607
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,917
The voicemail came
over the phone, telling me
1608
01:20:13,917 --> 01:20:17,250
to cancel off school for a week
and send my kids down here.
1609
01:20:17,250 --> 01:20:19,207
I think it was cold.
1610
01:20:19,207 --> 01:20:20,542
[phone ringing]
1611
01:20:20,542 --> 01:20:22,125
[man]
Good afternoon.
1612
01:20:22,125 --> 01:20:25,207
This is a message
from the bishop's office.
1613
01:20:25,207 --> 01:20:27,291
This is a call for all schools
1614
01:20:27,291 --> 01:20:29,750
to take the rest
of the week off of school
1615
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,457
to help with the nut harvest,
1616
01:20:31,457 --> 01:20:34,166
and families and school groups,
while supervised,
1617
01:20:34,166 --> 01:20:38,207
to meet at the Foothill School
at eight o'clock in the morning.
1618
01:20:38,207 --> 01:20:42,207
We need all the available
15-passenger vans
1619
01:20:42,207 --> 01:20:45,291
to also be brought
to the Foothill School.
1620
01:20:46,582 --> 01:20:48,958
[reporter] We received
a tip that Warren Jeffs,
1621
01:20:48,958 --> 01:20:51,958
the imprisoned leader
of the polygamist FLDS sect,
1622
01:20:51,958 --> 01:20:54,708
had ordered all schools closed
for a week
1623
01:20:54,708 --> 01:20:56,582
so children could go to work
1624
01:20:56,582 --> 01:20:59,792
picking pecans off trees
at a private ranch.
1625
01:20:59,792 --> 01:21:01,750
Obviously, they didn't have
the employees
1626
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:05,708
to cover this size of field
in a week,
1627
01:21:05,708 --> 01:21:07,792
and they would just get
the free labor
1628
01:21:07,792 --> 01:21:10,125
from the mothers and the kids.
1629
01:21:10,125 --> 01:21:11,625
It was my oldest daughter.
1630
01:21:11,625 --> 01:21:14,207
She would be in charge of our
kids while they came down here,
1631
01:21:14,207 --> 01:21:17,708
kind of keep track
of where they were.
1632
01:21:17,708 --> 01:21:19,625
[Sam]
When we pulled up out here
1633
01:21:19,625 --> 01:21:21,875
and we saw all these children,
1634
01:21:21,875 --> 01:21:25,332
I mean, obviously,
they didn't want to be seen.
1635
01:21:25,332 --> 01:21:28,667
And we heard somebody yelling,
"Run! Run!"
1636
01:21:28,667 --> 01:21:30,833
And they took off
1637
01:21:30,833 --> 01:21:32,958
way down to the end over there.
1638
01:21:32,958 --> 01:21:34,417
And it was chaos.
1639
01:21:34,417 --> 01:21:36,332
Kids were running
back and forth,
1640
01:21:36,332 --> 01:21:40,417
and there were just children
as far as the eye could see.
1641
01:21:56,166 --> 01:21:58,708
[Warren]
The Lord is with our prophet,
1642
01:21:58,708 --> 01:22:02,041
and he still leads us right.
1643
01:22:02,041 --> 01:22:05,708
He is being renewed
and strengthened,
1644
01:22:05,708 --> 01:22:07,917
and his renewal
1645
01:22:07,917 --> 01:22:10,417
will bring fear
upon the enemy...
1646
01:22:12,417 --> 01:22:14,542
and also fear
1647
01:22:14,542 --> 01:22:16,958
in the hearts of any of us...
1648
01:22:19,207 --> 01:22:21,125
who have not prepared.
1649
01:22:23,207 --> 01:22:25,375
[attorney] You're still
operating the church, correct?
1650
01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:32,166
Isn't it true that you meet
with lawyers on a periodic basis
1651
01:22:32,166 --> 01:22:36,041
and give them instructions which
they write down and record?
1652
01:22:36,041 --> 01:22:40,041
And those instructions
go to your brother Lyle, right?
1653
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:47,166
I know he knows the truth
1654
01:22:47,166 --> 01:22:49,417
about most of the stuff
about Warren.
1655
01:22:49,417 --> 01:22:51,792
And...
1656
01:22:51,792 --> 01:22:54,708
I don't appreciate how he's--
1657
01:22:54,708 --> 01:22:58,291
he's really just continued
to lie to the people.
1658
01:22:58,291 --> 01:23:00,667
And I'm really ready to see
1659
01:23:00,667 --> 01:23:03,958
that even Father
be brought to justice
1660
01:23:03,958 --> 01:23:05,917
for continuing
to lie to the people
1661
01:23:05,917 --> 01:23:08,667
and keeping them
under Warren's...
1662
01:23:10,582 --> 01:23:12,750
rule, really.
1663
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:16,207
My mom is my dad's
first and legal wife.
1664
01:23:16,207 --> 01:23:18,625
He's got nine wives in all,
1665
01:23:18,625 --> 01:23:20,582
I guess excluding Mom now
1666
01:23:20,582 --> 01:23:22,500
because she's turned
1667
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:25,792
and considered fighting
the priesthood.
1668
01:23:25,792 --> 01:23:27,833
So, it's really
been hard on her.
1669
01:23:30,708 --> 01:23:33,457
March is when my mom left,
1670
01:23:33,457 --> 01:23:36,250
and she went after the kids
1671
01:23:36,250 --> 01:23:38,667
and has gotten full custody
of two of 'em.
1672
01:23:38,667 --> 01:23:40,958
Two out of the ten
were underage.
1673
01:23:40,958 --> 01:23:43,792
All the others
are 18 or older.
1674
01:23:44,875 --> 01:23:47,457
The two youngest,
they treat her like dirt.
1675
01:23:47,457 --> 01:23:51,041
They won't talk to her.
They say, "If we talk to you,
1676
01:23:51,041 --> 01:23:54,000
then we're breaking
our covenants."
1677
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,542
My dad, he's in a lot
of trouble. I know that.
1678
01:23:57,542 --> 01:24:00,625
That's what the Department of
Labor is coming after him for,
1679
01:24:00,625 --> 01:24:03,082
which he did show up
to a couple court cases,
1680
01:24:03,082 --> 01:24:06,041
and now he's held in contempt
for not showing up
1681
01:24:06,041 --> 01:24:08,917
because he couldn't provide them
1682
01:24:08,917 --> 01:24:12,917
with the answers
that they needed.
1683
01:24:12,917 --> 01:24:15,166
My current status
with the church is,
1684
01:24:15,166 --> 01:24:18,917
I was cast out
in January of 2010.
1685
01:24:20,082 --> 01:24:22,457
I was told I could not return,
1686
01:24:22,457 --> 01:24:24,250
that I had sinned a great sin--
1687
01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:27,000
which they never told me
what it was--
1688
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,667
but that I could not return,
1689
01:24:28,667 --> 01:24:31,417
that I was not worthy
of my family,
1690
01:24:31,417 --> 01:24:35,875
that I was to leave my family
in Lyle and Warren's care.
1691
01:24:35,875 --> 01:24:38,750
I had to file a lawsuit
to find out where my family was.
1692
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:40,332
They were all in hiding.
1693
01:24:42,041 --> 01:24:45,667
We received a phone call
from the FBI
1694
01:24:45,667 --> 01:24:49,708
saying that they had located
1695
01:24:49,708 --> 01:24:51,582
my daughter Sherilyn
1696
01:24:51,582 --> 01:24:54,041
and that she was
in a trailer house
1697
01:24:54,041 --> 01:24:57,291
and had been so
for as much as two years.
1698
01:24:57,291 --> 01:24:59,625
The reason they put 'em
in trailers like that
1699
01:24:59,625 --> 01:25:02,250
is because they are
too mouthy,
1700
01:25:02,250 --> 01:25:04,917
they have their own opinions
or something of the kind.
1701
01:25:04,917 --> 01:25:07,000
And so she was being corrected.
1702
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,917
They called and asked us
1703
01:25:08,917 --> 01:25:13,291
if we were interested
in taking her into our home
1704
01:25:13,291 --> 01:25:16,207
and basically receiving her
as my child,
1705
01:25:16,207 --> 01:25:17,875
and I said, "Of course."
1706
01:25:18,875 --> 01:25:21,207
I had to contact the FBI,
1707
01:25:21,207 --> 01:25:24,375
the Washington County
sheriff's office,
1708
01:25:24,375 --> 01:25:27,082
and we had to physically go
to Short Creek,
1709
01:25:27,082 --> 01:25:29,207
to Lyle's home.
1710
01:25:29,207 --> 01:25:32,041
They were able to gather
the children out of the home.
1711
01:25:32,041 --> 01:25:33,833
We met at a park.
1712
01:25:33,833 --> 01:25:35,457
[Ron]
They basically told us
1713
01:25:35,457 --> 01:25:38,250
that we needed to disappear
for a little bit
1714
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:40,207
until they got
some things put together.
1715
01:25:40,207 --> 01:25:41,833
[Ron's wife]
She didn't have anything
1716
01:25:41,833 --> 01:25:44,750
except for the prairie dress
she was in,
1717
01:25:44,750 --> 01:25:49,000
and the undergarments,
and a pair of shoes.
1718
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,875
And we were in jeans,
1719
01:25:50,875 --> 01:25:54,082
and that's what we wore
for four or five days.
1720
01:25:55,542 --> 01:25:57,917
When I met the four girls
at the park...
1721
01:26:03,417 --> 01:26:06,250
they all told me
that I was not their father...
1722
01:26:10,667 --> 01:26:12,417
that they did not want
to go with me.
1723
01:26:12,417 --> 01:26:15,207
They wanted to stay
with Lyle in the church.
1724
01:26:17,625 --> 01:26:19,332
They said they hated me.
1725
01:26:21,291 --> 01:26:23,542
[Ron's wife]
I had taken her into T.J. Maxx
1726
01:26:23,542 --> 01:26:25,833
and got her a skirt
1727
01:26:25,833 --> 01:26:29,041
and a black top
and a long jacket...
1728
01:26:29,041 --> 01:26:30,875
-And she loved it.
-so she would be comfortable.
1729
01:26:30,875 --> 01:26:32,667
She actually loved it, and she
looked so cute in 'em, too.
1730
01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:35,291
And she did.
1731
01:26:35,291 --> 01:26:38,417
You could see
that she really enjoyed
1732
01:26:38,417 --> 01:26:40,582
the time that we spent together.
1733
01:26:40,582 --> 01:26:42,750
[Ron]
And she put her arm in my arm,
1734
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:45,166
walking on the beach
several times,
1735
01:26:45,166 --> 01:26:47,332
and kind of snuggled up to me,
1736
01:26:47,332 --> 01:26:50,417
and calling me Dad
and things of that kind,
1737
01:26:50,417 --> 01:26:53,667
which is very unusual
because she was very...
1738
01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,375
-Programmed.
-programmed,
1739
01:26:55,375 --> 01:26:57,667
brainwashed,
whatever you want to call it.
1740
01:26:59,625 --> 01:27:02,082
[Wallace] I told them,
I said, "I've got to do this.
1741
01:27:02,082 --> 01:27:05,166
You don't realize it,
but you're truly in danger,
1742
01:27:05,166 --> 01:27:07,542
and I'm doing this
to protect you."
1743
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:11,750
They would plug their ears
if I tried to tell them
1744
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:13,500
anything about Warren,
1745
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:15,708
or the truth about Warren,
1746
01:27:15,708 --> 01:27:17,375
or the truth
about the church.
1747
01:27:18,792 --> 01:27:20,542
[Ron]
Her phone basically was locked,
1748
01:27:20,542 --> 01:27:23,625
and she only had four people
that she could call.
1749
01:27:23,625 --> 01:27:25,166
That was it.
1750
01:27:25,166 --> 01:27:26,875
When I looked in the phone,
1751
01:27:26,875 --> 01:27:29,708
I could see it was like
every 15, 20 minutes
1752
01:27:29,708 --> 01:27:31,332
she had to report in.
1753
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,000
[Ron]
We were called by the FBI
1754
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,500
and told that they
needed us to come back,
1755
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:40,125
and they had a warrant
to go through the phone
1756
01:27:40,125 --> 01:27:43,125
and get all the information
out of it and so forth.
1757
01:27:43,125 --> 01:27:44,750
She was in the car.
1758
01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:47,958
She had slid over to the other
side of the car and gotten out,
1759
01:27:47,958 --> 01:27:49,207
and I walked over.
1760
01:27:49,207 --> 01:27:52,041
I wasn't more than 15 feet
away from her
1761
01:27:52,041 --> 01:27:54,417
when a white pickup pulled up.
1762
01:27:54,417 --> 01:27:57,332
They just basically grabbed her,
pulled her in...
1763
01:27:57,332 --> 01:27:59,207
-and took off.
-She was gone.
1764
01:27:59,207 --> 01:28:00,417
They were gone.
1765
01:28:00,417 --> 01:28:02,417
They were burning rubber
all the way down the driveway
1766
01:28:02,417 --> 01:28:06,000
as I was running behind them,
talking to the FBI agent,
1767
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,291
giving them
the license plate number.
1768
01:28:11,708 --> 01:28:14,875
[Wallace] My daughters just
sit in their room and paint,
1769
01:28:14,875 --> 01:28:17,082
comb their hair, read.
1770
01:28:17,082 --> 01:28:19,207
They do a lot of reading.
1771
01:28:19,207 --> 01:28:21,708
Life with them is very strained.
1772
01:28:21,708 --> 01:28:23,917
There is little
or no communication.
1773
01:28:23,917 --> 01:28:26,082
Whenever they want something,
they give me a note
1774
01:28:26,082 --> 01:28:28,291
of what they need--
food or clothing.
1775
01:28:28,291 --> 01:28:31,166
I say, "Let's go to the store
and do it together,"
1776
01:28:31,166 --> 01:28:34,291
but they refuse every time.
1777
01:28:37,082 --> 01:28:39,582
We have been told by the FBI
1778
01:28:39,582 --> 01:28:43,500
that her, her mother,
her brother and her sisters
1779
01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:46,625
have been all gathered up
and taken to Mexico.
1780
01:28:49,207 --> 01:28:50,958
In their estimation,
they're buried,
1781
01:28:50,958 --> 01:28:52,750
they've gone underground.
1782
01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:54,708
I probably will not have
the opportunity
1783
01:28:54,708 --> 01:28:56,792
to see them ever again.
1784
01:29:07,417 --> 01:29:10,250
Warren always has to take it
to the next level.
1785
01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:14,332
He's never gonna be satisfied
with his latest edict.
1786
01:29:14,332 --> 01:29:16,542
The people,
the most zealous people,
1787
01:29:16,542 --> 01:29:18,457
they feel like they're--
1788
01:29:18,457 --> 01:29:21,166
one step at a time,
one little baby step at a time--
1789
01:29:21,166 --> 01:29:22,917
passing the test.
1790
01:29:22,917 --> 01:29:25,250
So, when Warren requires
that a mother
1791
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:29,375
take her 11-, 12-year-old
daughter by the hand
1792
01:29:29,375 --> 01:29:32,958
and give her to some lecher,
1793
01:29:32,958 --> 01:29:35,041
that's her test.
1794
01:29:35,041 --> 01:29:37,542
That's what's
being required of her.
1795
01:29:39,582 --> 01:29:43,291
Throughout the week, people
will stop by and donate food.
1796
01:29:43,291 --> 01:29:45,582
And so we collect it,
1797
01:29:45,582 --> 01:29:49,250
and then we go make sure
that it's given to somebody
1798
01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:51,582
that's going hungry
in the church.
1799
01:29:51,582 --> 01:29:53,750
So, everybody's doing
what they can
1800
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:57,166
to help counteract the hunger
that is going on.
1801
01:29:57,166 --> 01:30:00,332
And the clothing,
you know, coats--
1802
01:30:00,332 --> 01:30:02,000
We're starting
to collect coats now
1803
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,457
because we know
winter's gonna be coming.
1804
01:30:04,457 --> 01:30:07,667
So, I've got a lot of donations
that I'm starting to collect,
1805
01:30:07,667 --> 01:30:09,708
so we can forward it
to the people
1806
01:30:09,708 --> 01:30:11,667
that are needing them.
1807
01:30:12,625 --> 01:30:14,750
Sometimes we'll get
a call saying,
1808
01:30:14,750 --> 01:30:17,166
"Hey, a grandmother
just got kicked out.
1809
01:30:17,166 --> 01:30:18,667
It's winter time.
1810
01:30:18,667 --> 01:30:21,166
It's almost
five degrees outside.
1811
01:30:21,166 --> 01:30:23,750
And she's sleeping in her car."
1812
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:25,708
So, we'll get up
in the middle of the night,
1813
01:30:25,708 --> 01:30:28,207
and we'll drive around,
trying to find a person
1814
01:30:28,207 --> 01:30:31,000
that has been--
that doesn't know where to go.
1815
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,582
And as soon as we find 'em,
1816
01:30:33,582 --> 01:30:35,542
or however we can locate 'em,
1817
01:30:35,542 --> 01:30:39,625
we'll get 'em appropriate help
as quickly as possible.
1818
01:30:43,625 --> 01:30:45,875
You have to appreciate
how isolated
1819
01:30:45,875 --> 01:30:48,582
and how much they've been taught
1820
01:30:48,582 --> 01:30:52,000
for how many generations that
this is your life, you know.
1821
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,667
This is all they know.
1822
01:30:53,667 --> 01:30:55,875
[Sam] You know, we talk
about brainwashing,
1823
01:30:55,875 --> 01:30:57,875
but it's not brainwashing.
1824
01:30:57,875 --> 01:31:01,792
The level of devotion comes from
an ingrained cultural thing.
1825
01:31:01,792 --> 01:31:05,250
It's indoctrinated with them
from birth.
1826
01:31:05,250 --> 01:31:08,041
All they have is
what they grew up with.
1827
01:31:08,041 --> 01:31:10,582
They don't know
what the outside world is like.
1828
01:31:10,582 --> 01:31:13,332
All they know is what
their grandparents have done
1829
01:31:13,332 --> 01:31:16,000
and their great grandparents
and their parents
1830
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,917
and what their mother has--
1831
01:31:17,917 --> 01:31:21,708
who stays at home 24/7
indoctrinating them--
1832
01:31:21,708 --> 01:31:23,082
tells them.
1833
01:31:23,082 --> 01:31:27,250
Well, my mom's known
as the flower lady at home.
1834
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:29,291
People would come
to our home all the time
1835
01:31:29,291 --> 01:31:31,082
and get starts from flowers
1836
01:31:31,082 --> 01:31:33,250
'cause her entire yard
was covered.
1837
01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:38,125
So I thought, well, if I
get a job at Star Nursery,
1838
01:31:38,125 --> 01:31:40,250
I'll bump into her, you know.
1839
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:43,457
So, when I got a job there,
I did bump into her once.
1840
01:31:43,457 --> 01:31:45,917
I had my little boy
with me and...
1841
01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:50,207
It's weird, because he
had never even met her,
1842
01:31:50,207 --> 01:31:53,041
and he gave her a big old hug.
1843
01:31:53,041 --> 01:31:56,125
And she-- she hugged me.
1844
01:32:00,291 --> 01:32:02,291
She told me she loved me.
1845
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,958
And I said,
"Mom, can I have your number?"
1846
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:12,625
She told me no.
1847
01:32:17,708 --> 01:32:21,958
To me, she chose religion
over her children.
1848
01:32:27,375 --> 01:32:31,166
And so, you have a guy who's,
by any measure, is crazy.
1849
01:32:31,166 --> 01:32:35,332
He's, you know, he's not--
he's not a rational person,
1850
01:32:35,332 --> 01:32:39,332
and he has this megalomania,
1851
01:32:39,332 --> 01:32:41,667
and that, you know,
is disturbing.
1852
01:32:41,667 --> 01:32:43,500
But what was
really disturbing is
1853
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,332
how all these other
thousands of people
1854
01:32:46,332 --> 01:32:48,207
buy into it
and don't question it.
1855
01:32:48,207 --> 01:32:51,332
He's able to persuade them that
"No, this is the truth,
1856
01:32:51,332 --> 01:32:53,250
I really do speak to God,
1857
01:32:53,250 --> 01:32:56,000
and your salvation
depends on me."
1858
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,125
And he does
terrible things to them.
1859
01:32:58,125 --> 01:33:00,833
He takes away their families.
He takes away their fortune.
1860
01:33:00,833 --> 01:33:03,166
He sends them out to repent.
1861
01:33:03,166 --> 01:33:05,000
And they still must
turn over their income.
1862
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,625
And they still believe him
and continue to believe him.
1863
01:33:07,625 --> 01:33:09,875
And that's what--
that's mind-boggling.
1864
01:33:09,875 --> 01:33:12,625
And it speaks
to something disturbing
1865
01:33:12,625 --> 01:33:14,792
about, you know, human nature,
1866
01:33:14,792 --> 01:33:18,708
or how once
you believe something,
1867
01:33:18,708 --> 01:33:20,917
you know, once you've been
brought up to believe something,
1868
01:33:20,917 --> 01:33:23,875
it's very, very difficult
to give that up completely.
1869
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:33,667
I got your license plate number.
1870
01:33:33,667 --> 01:33:35,250
[Sam]
That's great.
1871
01:33:35,250 --> 01:33:39,582
I'd like to know who you are
and what I can do for you.
1872
01:33:39,582 --> 01:33:43,250
Well, my name's Sam Brower.
You can't do anything for me.
1873
01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:44,708
Sam Brower?
1874
01:33:46,958 --> 01:33:49,708
[Jon] Like so many things
in life, nothing is simple.
1875
01:33:49,708 --> 01:33:50,917
Nothing--
1876
01:33:50,917 --> 01:33:53,667
You know, it's always four steps
forward, three steps back.
1877
01:33:53,667 --> 01:33:55,000
And if you're lucky,
1878
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,166
eventually you end up
further ahead than behind,
1879
01:33:57,166 --> 01:33:58,792
but there's no guarantee
that happens
1880
01:33:58,792 --> 01:34:00,792
in the short-term
or even the long-term.
1881
01:34:01,708 --> 01:34:04,250
How're you doing today,
Sam Brower?
1882
01:34:04,250 --> 01:34:05,917
[Sam] I'm doing great.
How are you doing?
1883
01:34:05,917 --> 01:34:07,792
Good.
1884
01:34:07,792 --> 01:34:09,750
It's nice to...
1885
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:11,792
see your vehicle.
1886
01:34:12,750 --> 01:34:14,875
[Jon]
You know, it's just...
1887
01:34:14,875 --> 01:34:17,875
You just got to keep pushing
the rock up the hill.
1888
01:34:17,875 --> 01:34:20,082
And it rolls back down,
and you push it up again.
1889
01:34:20,082 --> 01:34:22,000
And that's kind of
how I view this.
1890
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,166
And I'd be happy if the rock
stayed up there
1891
01:34:24,166 --> 01:34:26,708
and I could go do other things,
but, you know--
1892
01:34:26,708 --> 01:34:28,917
I think Sam feels the same way.
1893
01:34:28,917 --> 01:34:30,833
We're not going to quit now.
1894
01:34:30,833 --> 01:34:33,833
You know, we've had
plenty of reasons to quit
1895
01:34:33,833 --> 01:34:36,875
when all seemed futile,
and we've kept at it.
1896
01:34:36,875 --> 01:34:40,000
So, I'm sure
we'll keep on the case.
1897
01:34:41,207 --> 01:34:43,542
[Warren]
The Lord will tell me first
1898
01:34:43,542 --> 01:34:46,875
when the judgments are coming,
1899
01:34:46,875 --> 01:34:51,625
and those judgments
are going to be furious.
1900
01:34:52,958 --> 01:34:56,958
All of you
are not going to survive.
1901
01:34:59,542 --> 01:35:02,041
I worry most of all
1902
01:35:02,041 --> 01:35:06,082
that he is going to incite
some sort of bloodshed,
1903
01:35:06,082 --> 01:35:08,375
either inadvertently
or intentionally.
1904
01:35:08,375 --> 01:35:09,958
Intentionally probably.
1905
01:35:09,958 --> 01:35:12,542
He has no reason
not to do that.
1906
01:35:12,542 --> 01:35:14,708
It would be a way
to show his power.
1907
01:35:14,708 --> 01:35:16,625
He's certainly capable of it.
1908
01:35:16,625 --> 01:35:18,667
So, that's what I worry about.
1909
01:35:18,667 --> 01:35:20,542
He prays for my destruction.
1910
01:35:20,542 --> 01:35:23,166
Well, if I was religious,
I would pray for his destruction
1911
01:35:23,166 --> 01:35:25,667
because, you know,
I would have no qualms about--
1912
01:35:25,667 --> 01:35:28,000
I hope that fucker
dies right now.
1913
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:32,708
The fear of people
following Warren to the grave
1914
01:35:32,708 --> 01:35:36,875
has always been something
that's been a worry.
1915
01:35:36,875 --> 01:35:41,750
I know for a fact that
they are completely obedient.
1916
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:45,375
The ones-- the FLDS,
the United Order FLDS--
1917
01:35:45,375 --> 01:35:46,875
are completely obedient.
1918
01:35:46,875 --> 01:35:49,375
And if Warren told them to,
for instance,
1919
01:35:49,375 --> 01:35:52,542
die at their posts
over some kind of standoff,
1920
01:35:52,542 --> 01:35:54,708
they would die at their posts.
1921
01:35:54,708 --> 01:35:58,082
And the worry is,
you have this madman
1922
01:35:58,082 --> 01:36:02,833
running the church
from his prison cell in Texas.
1923
01:36:02,833 --> 01:36:05,750
And if he decides he wants
to go out with a bang,
1924
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:07,875
or make some sort of statement,
1925
01:36:07,875 --> 01:36:11,375
or prove to the world
how loyal his people are
1926
01:36:11,375 --> 01:36:16,375
and have them do
some kind of crazy thing
1927
01:36:16,375 --> 01:36:19,792
like happened
in Jonestown or Waco,
1928
01:36:19,792 --> 01:36:22,833
that's surely a possibility.
1929
01:36:22,833 --> 01:36:25,582
In fact, it's wise and prudent
1930
01:36:25,582 --> 01:36:28,708
not to discount
that possibility.
1931
01:36:30,166 --> 01:36:32,708
[female attorney]
You can't change the past.
1932
01:36:32,708 --> 01:36:35,542
You can't undo what you've done
with these young girls.
1933
01:36:37,582 --> 01:36:39,582
But are you willing
to do something
1934
01:36:39,582 --> 01:36:41,792
to help the people
in the future?
1935
01:36:46,582 --> 01:36:48,250
[male attorney]
I'm gonna object.
1936
01:36:48,250 --> 01:36:49,582
That question is confusing.
1937
01:36:49,582 --> 01:36:51,457
I'm not sure I get
the connection
1938
01:36:51,457 --> 01:36:53,207
from the way it was phrased.
1939
01:36:53,207 --> 01:36:55,000
[female attorney] Mr. Jeffs,
did you understand my question?
1940
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,457
I suspect he did.
Did you understand my question?
1941
01:37:00,375 --> 01:37:01,833
Do I need to restate it?
1942
01:37:08,125 --> 01:37:10,917
Do I need to restate
my question, Mr. Jeffs?
1943
01:37:14,833 --> 01:37:16,000
I'm sorry. What?
1944
01:37:17,417 --> 01:37:19,207
Well-- [chuckles]
1945
01:37:19,207 --> 01:37:21,542
I need to restate it
if you didn't understand it.
1946
01:37:21,542 --> 01:37:23,041
Did you understand it?
1947
01:37:33,125 --> 01:37:34,792
Well, all I can say, Mr. Jeffs,
1948
01:37:34,792 --> 01:37:36,625
is you still have
the opportunity
1949
01:37:36,625 --> 01:37:38,125
to turn your life around
1950
01:37:38,125 --> 01:37:40,125
and have something worthwhile
to present to the Lord
1951
01:37:40,125 --> 01:37:42,166
before you go
to meet your maker.
1952
01:37:43,792 --> 01:37:45,207
I'm finished.
1953
01:37:48,792 --> 01:37:51,625
[Warren]
Obey the Prophet when he speaks,
1954
01:37:51,625 --> 01:37:53,750
and you'll be blessed.
1955
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:55,750
Disobey him,
1956
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:58,041
it is death.
1957
01:39:29,166 --> 01:39:31,917
[Warren] This is
another "keep sweet" lesson
1958
01:39:31,917 --> 01:39:34,625
with an eternal vision,
1959
01:39:34,625 --> 01:39:37,542
in the name of Jesus Christ,
Amen.
1960
01:39:37,542 --> 01:39:39,000
[rock music playing]
1961
01:40:08,667 --> 01:40:12,125
[woman]
♪ Little girl won't play ♪
1962
01:40:12,125 --> 01:40:14,958
♪ Looks the other way ♪
1963
01:40:14,958 --> 01:40:18,917
♪ Staring at the past ♪
1964
01:40:18,917 --> 01:40:22,375
♪ Her eyes have turned
to glass ♪
1965
01:40:22,375 --> 01:40:24,500
♪ Oh, glass eyes ♪
1966
01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:25,750
♪ She's lost ♪
1967
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:28,792
♪ All her dreams to dust ♪
1968
01:40:28,792 --> 01:40:32,667
♪ On her wedding day ♪
1969
01:40:32,667 --> 01:40:35,542
♪ Don't know how to play ♪
1970
01:40:35,542 --> 01:40:37,207
[vocalizing]
1971
01:40:49,708 --> 01:40:53,207
♪ Gold on her finger ♪
1972
01:40:53,207 --> 01:40:56,166
♪ Giving her blisters ♪
1973
01:40:56,166 --> 01:41:00,000
♪ She don't look eager ♪
1974
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,500
♪ And he don't act younger ♪
1975
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:06,833
♪ The first sin with thee
♪
1976
01:41:06,833 --> 01:41:09,833
♪ Equal as they'll be ♪
1977
01:41:09,833 --> 01:41:13,667
♪ Most of you ladies ♪
1978
01:41:13,667 --> 01:41:15,750
♪ Most of you ♪
1979
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:19,332
♪ Frida ♪
1980
01:41:19,332 --> 01:41:22,792
♪ Your life's a miracle ♪
1981
01:41:22,792 --> 01:41:25,667
♪ And you are... ♪
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