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{\an8}I was on the hunt for the route of the Exodus,
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searching for the sea that Moses
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{\an8}and the Israelites crossed after leaving Egypt.
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{\an8}This sea was said to have miraculously parted,
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{\an8}making a way for the Israelites to cross,
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and yet destroying Pharaoh and his army.
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{\an8}The mystery of where this event took place
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{\an8}has captivated people for thousands of years.
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Can I now verify its true location?
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(ambient music)
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The way I was drawn into this investigation
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goes back to 2001.
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I heard reports that Exodus explorers diving
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in the Red Sea were making exciting
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discoveries of Pharaoh's army on the seafloor.
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(boat engine roaring)
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That's what first brought me to Egypt.
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These divers claimed to have found chariot wheels encrusted
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in coral along with skeletons.
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{\an8}It was so intriguing and very controversial.
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{\an8}But over time I began to realize that
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{\an8}there was more involved here.
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Because where you place the sea crossing determines
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the size of the miracle needed.
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And it's the nature of this miracle
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that now grips me, not just where it happened,
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but how it happened.
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I discovered that there are two main approaches
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that explain this miracle very differently.
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And there are people of faith in both camps.
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{\an8}(upbeat music)
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I traveled to the wilderness of southern Israel
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to meet with Australian Deborah Hurn.
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For Hurn, it all began in 1995.
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While on a family vacation to the Holy Land,
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she was introduced to the debate over
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the true location of Mount Sinai.
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She would become captivated with solving the mystery
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of the Israelites' journey in the wilderness and invest over
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12 years of her life to research the subject.
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This culminated in her doctoral thesis
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on the route of the Exodus.
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For a long time,
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the idea was that the Israelites crossed down
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through here and crossed the Suez.
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Yeah.
If you look at
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maps that are three, four hundred years old,
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that this was a common understanding
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and that they went off into this mountain down here.
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I was raised on that view,
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that they basically crossed through
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about 10 kilometers south of Suez.
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But it's still very deep.
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The wind can't do it,
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there's no way the wind can do it.
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You have to rely then on a spectacular miracle.
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Why mention the wind?
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Hurn brought up an important factor.
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One reason the Egyptian approach
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sees the sea crossing happening through
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a shallow body of water is
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because the Bible mentions the work of the wind.
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"And the Lord drove the sea back
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"by a strong east wind all night and made the sea dry land,
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"and the waters were divided."
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Hurn takes the Egyptian approach seeing
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the events happening on a small scale
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with shorter travel to a sea crossing
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at one of the shallow lakes near Egypt.
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Why do you think that scholars started
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to shift away from the Suez,
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and move the thinking further north to a more
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of a marshy lake?
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The shift from a spectacular Suez crossing happened
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because the scholars became uncomfortable
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with the supernatural,
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with the patently supernatural,
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and they were looking for a more natural explanation.
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Do you think it was a larger miracle,
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or do you think it was a smaller miracle?
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The text indicates it was very large.
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Jodell Onstott was an agnostic
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that went on a 16-year personal journey looking
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for evidence of the Bible.
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Her search for answers led her into archaeology,
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history and biblical research.
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She found the proof for God that she was looking for,
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and wrote the nearly 1,200 page treatise "YHWH Exists".
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Onstott takes a Hebrew approach,
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which sees the events of the Exodus on a much larger scale,
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including the miracles,
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with a sea crossing at the distant and deep Gulf of Aqaba.
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{\an8}The one thing that separates Israel's God
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{\an8}from all the other deities over the course of the history,
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{\an8}is this idea of the parting of the Red Sea,
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this huge miracle.
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(rumbling of thunder)
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(uplifting music)
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(waves crashing)
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And it is referred to,
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I believe, over 20 times throughout
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the Hebrew text as being the defining moment
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of bringing Israel and making them a nation.
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(uplifting music)
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Talking with Deb Hurn and Jodell Onstott,
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I could see how their view of miracles impacts
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where they place the sea crossing.
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The Egyptian approach favors naturalistic explanations,
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meaning that God used something in nature
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to cause the miracle to happen.
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While the Hebrew approach sees miracles
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as spectacular events beyond natural explanation.
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I just want to know which of these views best matches
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the biblical account.
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Because understanding the nature of miracles
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might be the clue to solving this mystery.
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{\an8}(upbeat music)
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Oxford professor C.S. Lewis had an aversion to God
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and miracles as a young atheist in the university.
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He would later change his mind
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and become one of the most influential voices
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for Christianity in the 20th century.
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He and his good friend,
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fellow Oxford professor J.R.R. Tolkien,
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author of "The Lord of the Rings"
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would often talk about the deep ideas
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in the fantasy worlds they created,
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and their connection to our own.
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You see Tollers, our fantasies must show
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that there is something quite outside
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this world of ours,
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especially in this age of machines
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and artificial environments,
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which we have made for ourselves.
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Goodness gracious it's becoming hard enough to gain glimpses
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of the natural world let alone
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the supernatural one to which it points.
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Absolutely, Jack.
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True magic is the power to do good.
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I am convinced that miracles are a retelling,
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in small letters, of that very same story
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that is written across the world in letters too large
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for some to see.
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(whooshing)
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Personally, I had always thought of these miracles
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as spectacular events,
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but I wanted to better understand
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how the Egyptian approach views God working
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through natural causes.
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So I traveled to England to meet Sir Colin Humphreys
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who wrote "The Miracles of Exodus".
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He is a highly awarded physicist working
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in the field of material science and
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the Director of Research at the University of Cambridge.
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In 2010 Humphreys was knighted by the queen
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of England for his service to science.
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As a Christian, he sees no conflict
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between science and his faith.
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So what do we have here?
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So here we have,
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this is the latest machine in the world,
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it's first in the world to grow LEDs,
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and other transistors and so on.
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In the future we want to have
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micro LEDs which can actually stimulate
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individual neurons in the brain,
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so we can understand how the brain works.
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Then we may have a cure for Alzheimer's disease,
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So really important.
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While Humphreys views the miracles
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of Exodus as naturalistic,
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he also thinks that the sea crossing was far
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from Egypt at the Gulf of Aqaba,
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consistent with the Hebrew approach.
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So he has a hybrid approach,
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combining aspects of the two views.
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Why did you become interested
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in that particular story of the Exodus?
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{\an8}The first thing which struck me was the characteristics
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{\an8}of Mount Sinai described in the Bible match
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{\an8}the characteristics of a volcano, exactly.
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{\an8}I mean, it's just a superb observation
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of an erupting volcano that was being described.
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Professor Humphreys' view of Mount Sinai
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as an erupting volcano helped me understand
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{\an8}how many in the Egyptian
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{\an8}view see all the miracles of Exodus.
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{\an8}From the plagues, to the parting of the sea
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{\an8}and even the pillar of cloud
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{\an8}and fire the Israelites were following.
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For them, everything had natural causes.
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On the morning of the third day
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(thunder rumbling) there was thunder and lightning,
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and a thick cloud on the mountain,
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and a very loud trumpet blast,
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(loud trumpet playing)
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so that all the people in the camp trembled.
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Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke
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because the LORD had descended on it in fire.
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(thunder rumbling)
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The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln,
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and the whole mountain trembled greatly.
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And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder,
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Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder.
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(thunder rumbling)
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So there is the fire and the smoke,
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which is the obvious characteristic of a volcano,
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but there's other characteristics as well.
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So it talks about lightening on the top of the volcano,
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and you get this with many volcanoes,
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because the ash which is fired up is charged.
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And so you then get a discharge,
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as with clouds,
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and so you get lightning flashes.
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Then, the whole mountain trembled, the Bible says.
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You usually get earthquakes preceding
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and during volcanoes.
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Humphreys believes that Mount Sinai
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was in northwest Saudi Arabia.
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This area contained the ancient land of Midian
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where Moses spent 40 years, and has volcanic activity,
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unlike the Sinai Peninsula.
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And there was a particular clue,
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which I thought was just remarkable,
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and that is the sound of a trumpet came from the mountain.
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And I found a Roman historian called Dio Cassius,
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he was describing the eruption
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of Mount Vesuvius in AD 79 Italy,
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and he said the sound of a trumpet was heard
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coming from Vesuvius.
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I thought How remarkable.
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And what does it mean?
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And there's a good scientific explanation,
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and that is, in a volcanic eruption,
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hot gases are forced up,
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and they go through the narrow cracks in the rocks,
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and musical notes come out.
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It's like playing a trumpet.
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(Tim making a trumpet sound)
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Kind of like that?
Wonderful.
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That's right, yes.
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I don't know if I could do that, but I did it.
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That's brilliant, that's exactly right.
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You've received pushback from some Christians
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because of your naturalistic ideas.
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How would you respond to that?
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I say they're definitely miracles.
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So the fact we've explained them
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by science doesn't mean we've explained them away.
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They are still miracles and miracles in the timing.
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This sounds intriguing,
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but does a naturalistic approach at times down play
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what the Bible describes for these miracles?
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(upbeat music)
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Over the last few centuries,
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the belief has grown that only what can be directly observed
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and measured should be considered valid.
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In the 1700s, famous Scottish philosopher
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David Hume challenged the credibility of miracles.
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Within a century, the ideas of Hume helped
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create a new naturalistic mind set among many scholars
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that would end up shaping the thinking of the modern world,
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and challenge confidence in the miracles of the Bible.
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(motorbike engine roaring)
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Dr. Craig White, is a professor of philosophy
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at the University of Colorado Boulder.
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I wanted to talk to him about Hume,
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to understand this shift toward a naturalistic view
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that's uncomfortable with spectacular miracles.
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So what are some of the ideas that Hume has developed?
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Well Hume is one of the British empiricists.
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They really said the most important thing is evidence
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that we can pile up.
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You mean things that you can touch or things you can see?
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Right. So you can touch them,
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you can see them.
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If you got evidence,
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maybe it should be certified in some way.
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So Hume didn't believe in miracles.
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Right. There's a famous argument he makes.
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If you're going to believe a story
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about something that happens in the world,
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some factual story, you need evidence.
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And a miracle, by definition goes against
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the way things usually are.
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In his phrase, "It violates the laws of nature."
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I've heard that, yeah.
So if somebody's dead
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and they rise up three days later,
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they've violated the laws of nature.
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If waters are parted out of sea?
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That's right. If the waters part
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and stay away, stay apart,
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so the people can walk through on dry land,
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that's a violation.
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So Hume would have an issue with that
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and a lot of other people.
Hume doesn't
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say it's impossible.
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He says, "Should I believe it or not?"
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Hume's ideas spread,
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challenging the validity of biblical miracles
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in the minds of modern thinkers.
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But have his ideas also tempered
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the way many believers think about miracles?
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Do you think that there are such things
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as miracles that are actually supernatural,
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not just naturalistic?
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Do you mean spectacular supernatural?
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Well for example the pillar of fire and the cloud.
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So was there a pillar of fire and a cloud?
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The Bible says that they were led
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through the wilderness by this pillar of fire.
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It's only like a year ago,
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in fact I read an article that said
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that this is not unusual for Bedouin companies
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to navigate their way through the desert.
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They have a wagon and they burn bitumen in heavy clay pots,
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and during the day it sends off smoke,
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and during the night it sends off light.
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And what is a bitumen? Is it a...
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Asphalty stuff. It's tar.
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It burns hot and it burns slow,
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it was one of the primary products of the Dead Sea area.
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Now I'm a conservative Bible believer,
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and I do believe the angel was with them,
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and I do believe that God was with them.
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I believe that everything
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that happened to them was orchestrated and created by God,
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but I am open to the idea that God uses natural
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and otherwise explicable things
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to help us, to guide us, to support us,
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to protect us, to save us.
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And a wagon with a burning bitumen signal,
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I'm okay with that, but I'm conflicted.
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It sounds familiar, and I think, hmm...
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Moses also recorded that at times
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the pillar of cloud would descend to the entrance
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of the tent of meeting.
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This doesn't sound like a natural phenomenon.
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(thunder rumbling)
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I believe that God can
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and does work through natural means.
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But the question is,
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did God only work through normal natural processes
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in the Exodus,
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or were these miracles spectacular
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in a way that can only be explained by the power of God?
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Was there a pillar of fire leading the Israelites?
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I don't see how you can get around it.
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So what you're suggesting is that it
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wasn't a natural occurrence.
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No, the text states that it was a molech.
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Today we would say that's an angel.
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The Hebrew says it's God's messenger.
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And God specifically says, "Obey his voice,
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"he will not forgive your sins, and my name is in him."
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Don't you that the whole story is filled
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with these unusual things?
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You have a very theophoric element
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to this whole wilderness sojourn.
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And "theophoric" means?
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God-influenced, God-centric.
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Where today we have this habit of really humanizing God.
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We don't like the ideas of anything out of the ordinary.
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We do not see things out of the ordinary occurring.
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So when we hear about waters parting,
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Israel walking on dry land,
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a cloud or a pillar,
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we're very uncomfortable with those things.
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{\an8}(upbeat music)
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Eric Metaxas is a writer,
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speaker and the host of The Eric Metaxas Show.
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I've known Eric for a number of years.
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He is also the author of "Miracles"
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and numerous other New York Times bestsellers.
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I think it's important for us to understand
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{\an8}that miracles are for our benefit.
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{\an8}God can do everything in a way that looks naturalistic,
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but there are times when he wants to get our attention.
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He wants to say,
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"Hey, I'm here. I want you to know that I'm here."
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So that's actually important that miracles are a way
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that God communicates to us,
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and so when people say,
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"Well, it's no big deal,"
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if your attitude is it's no big deal,
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then clearly, it's not a miracle.
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A miracle is meant by God to be a big deal.
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{\an8}Dr. Jason DeRouchie takes the Hebrew approach.
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{\an8}The Bible talks about a pillar of cloud
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and a pillar of fire that led the Israelites,
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out of Egypt and on to Mount Sinai
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and was with them through the time in the wilderness.
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What do you think that was?
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{\an8}Throughout Scripture, miracles of a grand nature
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{\an8}like this were not happening all the time.
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{\an8}There's just specific moments in history
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{\an8}where God is manifesting himself in this way.
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I think that Israel is experiencing a cloud,
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but it's more than that.
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The language of hovering that occurs in Deuteronomy 32
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to describe what it was that that pillar of fire
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and the pillar of cloud were doing.
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It was as if they were hovering
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like a bird over Israel, leading them.
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And Israel's call was to wait and to follow.
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The only other place that that language shows up
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in the Torah is in Genesis chapter one
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of the Spirit of God hovering over the waters.
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There seems to be a connection here
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between the cloud and the Spirit.
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So what you're suggesting then is that
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the Spirit of God was using this cloud as away for them
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to see God leading them out of Egypt.
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It's not just that he was using the cloud,
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his presence was creating the cloud.
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(dramatic music)
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But what sea was this pillar leading them to?
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In my previous film,
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I had taken a close look at the biblical account
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to identify a sequence of six steps
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for the Exodus journey.
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In the Egyptian approach the journey to the sea took days.
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But in the Hebrew approach it took weeks.
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In part one, I investigated the Departure, Direction,
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and Desert steps for each approach.
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I had gotten as far as the Detour to a Dead End
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in the Egyptian approach.
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It suggests the detour was caused by forts and canals
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that ulTimately trapped the Israelites at one
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of the lakes along the border of Egypt's Nile Delta.
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{\an8}Now I need to investigate the Hebrew approach
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for the Detour to a Dead End.
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{\an8}The Bible records that Moses
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{\an8}and the Israelites journeyed out of Egypt
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until God tells them to turn and camp by the sea.
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The Lord said to Moses,
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"Encamp in front of Pi-hahiroth,
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"between Migdol and the sea,
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"in front of Baal-zephon
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"you shall encamp facing it, by the sea."
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To rightfully locate the sea crossing site,
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one would have to find these four identifying places listed
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in the biblical account for the Dead End.
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Pi-hahiroth, meaning "mouth of the canal"
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or "mouth of the gorge."
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Migdol, meaning "tower" or "fortress."
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Yam Suph, the Hebrew name for the sea
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that was crossed.
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And Baal-zephon, meaning "lord of the north,"
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likely a place of worship for the god Baal.
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Egyptologist David Rohl takes the Egyptian approach,
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which sees clear links between the biblical terms
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and locations near Egypt.
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It's a perfect fit,
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so you have all the toponyms in this region.
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So you have toponyms that match the Biblical text?
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They almost triangulate the location.
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And you don't think that it was possible then,
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that was a crossing either at the Suez or over at Aqaba?
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I can't see it.
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As far as I'm concerned,
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they're just too deep, too difficult,
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and they're nowhere near where all these toponyms are.
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In contrast, those in the Hebrew approach,
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such as geographer Glen Fritz,
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note that the Hebrew name
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for the sea that was crossed, Yam Suph,
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was used for the Gulf of Aqaba.
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The book of First Kings records
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that King Solomon built a fleet
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of ocean-going vessels at a place called Ezion Geber,
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here at the head of the Gulf of Aqaba.
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The Bible names this sea Yam Suph,
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the same sea it says the Israelites crossed
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to escape the Egyptians.
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And Fritz notes that it makes no sense
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for King Solomon to have sea-going vessels trapped
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in the lakes of Egypt.
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Besides the place-names,
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the Hebrew approach also believes that the descriptions
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of the events given by Moses are important clues pointing
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to the Gulf of Aqaba.
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Here, there are three Dead End locations proposed.
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The northern tip is where Professor Humphreys
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believes the Israelites were trapped.
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In ancient times this area had marsh flats with reeds
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that have since been largely covered up
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by the modern city of Eilat.
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You can see that was a very good site
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for them to be trapped,
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because Pharaoh's army were pursuing them and what we know
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is that to get down to the Gulf of Aqaba,
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you have to go through quite
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a steep mountain drop as it were,
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and it's known from Egyptian records
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that there was a bypass that chariots could take,
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but it didn't godown that drop,
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it actually went up north and then came down again.
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So, you can imagine the Egyptian army dividing
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and the foot soldiers chase the Israelites,
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and they'd be behind them.
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But then the chariots,
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they'd be in front of them.
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So they were surrounded.
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Their only means of escape was crossing
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this body of water.
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His proposal for a shallow water crossing,
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caused by the wind,
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is similar to the scenario at the border lakes of Egypt.
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And so, if you have a strong wind,
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blowing across a body of water it forces it back.
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Which then exposes dry land,
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and the Israelites can cross.
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It's exactly as the Bible describes.
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It's a natural event but just at the right time.
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But there's another idea for a Dead End
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that fits the hybrid approach and claims
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to have located all the
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place names specified in the Bible.
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Now retired, I met Dr. Fred Baltz at the church
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where he had pastored for over 40 years in Galena, Illinois.
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He's written a book on his findings,
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00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:36,798
called "Exodus Found."
530
00:26:36,798 --> 00:26:38,770
The people with their various theories
531
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:42,980
{\an8}all have looked at where the water is,
532
00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:46,550
{\an8}and I realized you have to look at where the water was.
533
00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:49,400
{\an8}Colin Humphreys thought the same thing,
534
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,980
but I'm looking farther north than his proposal.
535
00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:55,060
I'm looking at Timna,
536
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:59,490
because Timna has the sites that we're looking for,
537
00:26:59,490 --> 00:27:01,990
based on the Exodus texts.
538
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:05,550
As Dr. Baltz was investigating ancient maps
539
00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:07,690
he ran across an unusual feature
540
00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:10,230
on one of them that revealed two bodies
541
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:12,823
of water he had never seen before.
542
00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:18,220
This one shows a lake here and a lake here.
543
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,675
Yeah, I see that.
544
00:27:20,675 --> 00:27:24,881
These lakes are there only on the 1896 map
545
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,063
because this cartographer was there in the spring.
546
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,900
He was there after the spring rains
547
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:37,180
when the water gathers in those two places.
548
00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:39,210
And I received communication
549
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:40,610
from someone in Israel just
550
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:43,900
recently confirming it still happens.
551
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,080
However, this location of Timna
552
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,670
is about 15 miles north of the Gulf of Aqaba
553
00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:53,060
and nearly 250 feet above sea level.
554
00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:55,750
How would this have been considered Yam Suph,
555
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:57,580
the Gulf of Aqaba?
556
00:27:57,580 --> 00:28:00,550
I think due to the fact that it's in the valley,
557
00:28:00,550 --> 00:28:01,960
the same valley that extends
558
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,340
all the way up to the Dead Sea, the Rift Valley,
559
00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:08,270
I think, conceptually, people would have thought
560
00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:11,480
of these other waters just to the very north
561
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,373
of the Gulf of Aqaba as part of the Yam Suph.
562
00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:20,220
Twice, I have visited this ancient site of Timna.
563
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:22,200
It was a copper mining center that was
564
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,630
sometimes controlled by the Egyptians
565
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:28,088
and later was on the border between Israel and Edom.
566
00:28:28,088 --> 00:28:29,530
(metal clanking)
567
00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:32,090
Dr. Baltz believes this was the location
568
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:36,060
for the Dead End step of the Exodus route at the sea.
569
00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:38,080
We're looking down on Timna.
570
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:41,590
Three stone outcroppings.
571
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:44,450
The one farthest to the right
572
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:47,450
is what we would call a "mesa."
573
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:52,450
A mesa is a projection from a lower surface with a flat top.
574
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200
That's one of the definitions,
575
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,480
the dictionary definitions of Migdol.
576
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,870
Here, Dr. Baltz was associating
577
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:04,573
the Hebrew word Migdol with a towering rock formation.
578
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:08,350
There is a stone wall,
579
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:10,210
or the remains of a stone wall,
580
00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:11,500
around the top of it.
581
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,710
Now, the new understanding is that that wall
582
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:17,440
was there for the protection of the people inside,
583
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,250
so it becomes a fortress.
584
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:21,660
You have Migdol there,
585
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:23,880
I would say, in spades.
586
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,672
On top of the Migdol there
587
00:29:25,672 --> 00:29:27,850
was an ancient Semitic high place,
588
00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:31,360
which he suggests was connected to Baal worship,
589
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,589
fitting Baal-zephon.
590
00:29:33,589 --> 00:29:38,540
Now, if Pi-hahiroth means mouth of the waters,
591
00:29:38,540 --> 00:29:41,190
we're in the Wadi Nehushtan,
592
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:44,120
which comes down to our body of water here.
593
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,103
We have that definition covered, too.
594
00:29:47,038 --> 00:29:49,680
(thunder rumbling)
595
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,730
Dr. Baltz also proposes that Mount Sinai
596
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:54,890
was a volcano in Arabia,
597
00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:58,060
the plume of which was the pillar of cloud and fire
598
00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:00,967
that was leading the Israelites.
599
00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:02,117
"Then the angel of God
600
00:30:02,117 --> 00:30:04,532
"who was going before the host of Israel
601
00:30:04,532 --> 00:30:07,047
"moved and went behind them.
602
00:30:07,047 --> 00:30:09,477
"And the pillar of cloud moved from before them
603
00:30:09,477 --> 00:30:13,697
"and stood behind them coming between the host of Egypt
604
00:30:13,697 --> 00:30:15,740
"and the host of Israel."
605
00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:16,831
So what you're suggesting
606
00:30:16,831 --> 00:30:20,130
is that the Israelites were following this band.
607
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:24,270
They had been following off in the distance this pillar.
608
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:27,860
Now, the pillar driven by the east wind
609
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:30,790
that is the same east wind that will divide the waters,
610
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:32,380
it's coming their way,
611
00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:34,500
and that would have been an ominous,
612
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,470
frightening looking cloud.
613
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:40,340
Dr. Baltz believes that the plume from Mount Sinai
614
00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:43,820
in Arabia would have been driven counterclockwise
615
00:30:43,820 --> 00:30:46,430
around a strong low pressure system
616
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:49,040
along the ground to the crossing site.
617
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,840
There's another instance of a picture
618
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,590
from space of a volcanic plume traveling
619
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:56,613
with the wind along the ground.
620
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:00,760
I see, so you're saying this plume
621
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,730
somehow came between them.
622
00:31:03,730 --> 00:31:05,100
It came across the ground
623
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,550
because a strong east wind was driving it.
624
00:31:07,550 --> 00:31:09,640
But the Bible sort of gives this impression,
625
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,580
it was the angel of the Lord.
626
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:12,900
And there again,
627
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:14,210
I mean I wouldn't deny that,
628
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:18,640
but it was the Lord in the pillar of cloud
629
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,420
that looked down upon the Egyptians.
630
00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:22,550
You couldn't see through it,
631
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:24,640
and there's volcanic lightning in it,
632
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,583
and it says that not one came near the other all night.
633
00:31:30,737 --> 00:31:33,487
(dramatic music)
634
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,660
So far, I've seen two alternative crossing sites
635
00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:42,350
on the northern tip of the Gulf of Aqaba,
636
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:44,880
each involving shallow water.
637
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,090
This leaves two proposed locations
638
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:49,150
in the Hebrew approach,
639
00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:52,820
either of which would demand a deep-water crossing.
640
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:55,300
Some scholars reject these locations
641
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,593
because they reject miracles.
642
00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:01,210
Others like Sir Colin Humphreys
643
00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:03,150
are okay with the supernatural,
644
00:32:03,150 --> 00:32:05,360
but believe God primarily works
645
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,768
within the normal laws of nature that we see every day.
646
00:32:09,768 --> 00:32:10,890
(waves crashing)
647
00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:12,770
And it would be impossible for deep water
648
00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:15,013
to part naturally by wind.
649
00:32:16,472 --> 00:32:18,650
(waves crashing) But there is another big reason
650
00:32:18,650 --> 00:32:21,920
for the widespread rejection of a deep-water
651
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,670
Aqaba crossing, the personalities
652
00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:26,653
who have popularized the idea.
653
00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:31,680
It all began in 1960,
654
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,130
with a photograph taken near Mt. Ararat in Turkey
655
00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:37,720
of a mysterious boat-shaped object
656
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,660
which was published in Life Magazine.
657
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:44,370
That drove Ron Wyatt on a lifeTime pursuit in search
658
00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:48,550
of biblical evidence beginning with Noah's Ark.
659
00:32:48,550 --> 00:32:52,930
I believe that God has preserved time capsules
660
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:55,820
in different parts of the world mostly in the Far East
661
00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:57,590
or the Middle East there.
662
00:32:57,590 --> 00:33:02,490
And that these are to get the attention of people.
663
00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:04,970
Ron Wyatt was an amateur archeologist
664
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:08,210
and could be considered one of the first Exodus explorers
665
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:12,150
of the 20th century and the most controversial.
666
00:33:12,150 --> 00:33:14,550
He claimed to have found spectacular evidence
667
00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:16,470
for many biblical events
668
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:19,123
more than seemed possible for one man.
669
00:33:20,715 --> 00:33:23,960
(plane engine roaring)
670
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,070
In 1978, he rented a small plane
671
00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:28,950
and flew down the western coast
672
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:31,530
of the Gulf of Aqaba looking for a place
673
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:35,480
where the Israelites could reach the sea and be trapped.
674
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,920
He found a deep wadi,
675
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,900
a dry valley that led to Nuweiba beach,
676
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:43,193
a massive protrusion of sand out from the mountains.
677
00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:47,763
Wyatt later drove to the location.
678
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:51,560
We're out here at the beach,
679
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,010
that the Israelites came out on
680
00:33:54,010 --> 00:33:56,550
when they came out of the canyon system
681
00:33:56,550 --> 00:33:58,195
that they had been following,
682
00:33:58,195 --> 00:34:00,210
by the leading of the cloud,
683
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:03,120
and of course following Moses
684
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,220
who was following the cloud.
685
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:08,100
They came out of the mouth of the canyon here,
686
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:12,153
totally enclosed by the sheer cliffs on either side.
687
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:16,760
And having arrived at the beach,
688
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,870
I imagine they were rather shocked to look out
689
00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:23,204
and see a wide expanse of sea awaiting them.
690
00:34:23,204 --> 00:34:25,954
(dramatic music)
691
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,790
From that point they could go no further.
692
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:32,190
And of course, when Pharaoh and his host
693
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:33,270
came out behind them
694
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:36,303
(chariots rumbling)
695
00:34:36,303 --> 00:34:39,320
they were quite ready to stone Moses.
696
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,043
It was here that Wyatt started to dive,
697
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:48,640
looking for the remains of Pharaoh's chariots
698
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,043
on the seafloor.
699
00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:54,440
Over time, others who learned about
700
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,710
his search joined in the effort,
701
00:34:56,710 --> 00:35:01,513
including Swedish DNA research scientist Dr. Lennart Möller.
702
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,940
I saw Möller in a film about this subject
703
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:10,100
and that's how I became aware of the Exodus investigation.
704
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,230
I was impressed with his scientific approach.
705
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:14,570
In experimental sciences
706
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:18,380
we have a very standardized procedure to follow.
707
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:20,420
You put up a hypothesis,
708
00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:22,250
you perform an experiment,
709
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:24,740
you or others can repeat the experiment,
710
00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:27,340
you do statistics, you put it all together,
711
00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:29,170
you have a manuscript and you publish it.
712
00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:31,920
That's the normal function for science.
713
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,110
But if you go back in history,
714
00:35:33,110 --> 00:35:34,220
it's a totally different issue,
715
00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:36,880
because we cannot repeat the experiment.
716
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,620
But you can use scientific tools
717
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:42,280
to investigate different parts of the history.
718
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,723
And in that way you can apply science.
719
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,500
You have the air.
Yeah.
720
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,290
Möller and others continued the investigation
721
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:54,823
that Ron Wyatt began.
722
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,260
Since Wyatt first proposed Nuweiba beach,
723
00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:02,430
it has become the most popular option
724
00:36:02,430 --> 00:36:06,478
for a Deep Sea crossing in the Hebrew Approach.
725
00:36:06,478 --> 00:36:09,647
(suspenseful music)
726
00:36:09,647 --> 00:36:10,780
(whooshing)
727
00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:13,440
So what Detour would the Israelites have taken
728
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,340
to reach a Dead End at Nuweiba?
729
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:18,380
Before turning, Dr. Fritz believes
730
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:21,850
that Moses was heading toward a Mount Sinai location
731
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:23,880
in Saudi Arabia.
732
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,230
Now Moses was commanded to bring
733
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:28,730
the Israelites to the Mountain of God.
734
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:30,770
The normal route that would be taken, again,
735
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:32,430
would be across the Peninsula
736
00:36:33,730 --> 00:36:36,060
above the top of the Gulf of Aqaba.
737
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,380
I don't think Moses was planning to cross
738
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:41,410
a body of water to get to his destination.
739
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:45,420
Now, Exodus 14:2 says that the Israelites
740
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,390
were told to turn aside.
741
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:49,640
The Lord said to Moses,
742
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,780
tell the people of Israel
743
00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:54,040
to turn back and encamp by the sea.
744
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,837
For Pharaoh will say of the people of Israel,
745
00:36:56,837 --> 00:36:58,797
"they are wandering in the land.
746
00:36:58,797 --> 00:37:00,567
"The wilderness has shut them in."
747
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,050
They were to turn from the route
748
00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:06,440
that you normally would consider
749
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,453
to be the direct way into Midian,
750
00:37:10,453 --> 00:37:11,880
and that they were to encamp
751
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,300
between Midgol and the sea.
752
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,010
And it is a place where you could either continue
753
00:37:17,010 --> 00:37:20,610
onto the east as the blue route shows
754
00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:23,250
or you could take a route that headed down
755
00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:26,710
to the only opening to the sea and today
756
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:29,920
this opening to the sea is a place called Nuweiba.
757
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:36,490
{\an8}Now, the canyon that you see behind me is part
758
00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:41,160
of the southern route that would lead them up to Edom,
759
00:37:42,074 --> 00:37:44,090
or present day Eilat.
760
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:47,460
This was the way Moses assumed that they would go.
761
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:50,070
However, God instructed them
762
00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:53,440
as they actually turned northward here,
763
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,710
to go the way that would have required
764
00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:57,580
no sea crossing whatsoever
765
00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:03,320
he told Moses to turn back or in the opposite direction.
766
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,300
And this, of course, led them down by the sea.
767
00:38:09,348 --> 00:38:12,098
(dramatic music)
768
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:15,120
I traveled down this wadi
769
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,360
or river bed canyon called Wadi Watir with Möller.
770
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,220
The road was rough and twisting
771
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:23,250
and yet I could see it would be easy
772
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:25,053
to traverse the valley floor.
773
00:38:26,663 --> 00:38:30,510
The description of Moses in saying that Pharaoh
774
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:32,440
thought that the Israelites were trapped,
775
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,010
or imprisoned in the wilderness definitely applies
776
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:38,040
to the geography and the geomorphology here.
777
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,030
Very rugged peaks.
778
00:38:40,030 --> 00:38:42,250
One route in, one route out.
779
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:44,723
No way to turn once you get into that wadi.
780
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:48,990
Its steep walls are up to 7,000 feet high
781
00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:51,910
and lead to a mouth of a gorge.
782
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:56,010
And we also read in the Bible that Pharaoh thought
783
00:38:56,010 --> 00:39:00,700
that he had the Israelites imprisoned in the wilderness.
784
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:03,840
And the actual Hebrew word there means "closed"
785
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,070
or "shut up" in the wilderness.
786
00:39:06,070 --> 00:39:08,740
The first century Jewish historian Josephus,
787
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:11,603
wrote a description that matches the Bible well.
788
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,880
Now when the Egyptians
789
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,970
had overtaken the Hebrews,
790
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:17,650
they also seized the passages
791
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:20,980
by which they imagined the Hebrews might fly,
792
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:23,060
shutting them up between inaccessible
793
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:25,050
precipices and the sea,
794
00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:28,130
for there was - on each side - a ridge of mountains
795
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:30,400
that terminated at the sea,
796
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,540
which were impassable by reason of their roughness
797
00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:36,053
and obstructed their flight.
798
00:39:36,053 --> 00:39:39,920
And so, when we think of the language of Josephus,
799
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,920
we think that the terrain adjacent to the crossing site had
800
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,650
to be very rough terrain,
801
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:47,670
had to be mountainous,
802
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:49,929
had to have limited escape routes.
803
00:39:49,929 --> 00:39:51,970
{\an8}(vehicle engine roaring)
804
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:55,500
{\an8}In contrast, Glen Fritz notes that the land around
805
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:59,680
all the border lakes in the Egyptian view is extremely flat,
806
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,480
with no mountains of any kind.
807
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,150
And when Dr. Möller and I traveled to that area,
808
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:08,600
having served as an officer in the Swedish military,
809
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,240
he posed a simple strategic question
810
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,823
about the Egyptian army.
811
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:15,320
When we look at the lakes here,
812
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,880
why should the army follow the Hebrews out in the water
813
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:22,900
instead of going around the lake
814
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:25,750
and meet them on the other side and in that sense trap
815
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:27,670
them in the water there?
816
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:30,350
From a military point of view it would be much smarter
817
00:40:30,350 --> 00:40:33,220
to go around the lake and trap them.
818
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:36,690
But that wouldn't be an option at Nuweiba.
819
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:41,120
Here we are approaching the beachhead at Nuweiba.
820
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,660
This is about 8-10 square miles in area,
821
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:46,630
which would certainly accommodate the Israelites.
822
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:50,180
Now, there are no other beachheads on this side of the
823
00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:53,710
Gulf of Aqaba that have this same sort of morphology
824
00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:57,230
where you have adequate space for many people to camp
825
00:40:57,230 --> 00:41:00,723
and you have access to the interior of the Sinai Peninsula.
826
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:03,940
But how do the biblical place-names
827
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:08,940
of Exodus 14:2 fit with a crossing at Nuweiba?
828
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,710
(waves crashing)
829
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:13,910
The Egyptian approach connects the name Pi-Hahiroth
830
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:17,370
to the Akkadian meaning of "mouth of the canals."
831
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:21,260
But Glen Fritz favors a Hebrew definition.
832
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:23,410
I believe you have to consider the landmarks
833
00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:27,490
to be large and bigger than life type of landmarks.
834
00:41:27,490 --> 00:41:29,850
Now, Moses and the Israelites were told
835
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:34,570
to encamp before or on the face of, Pi-Hahiroth.
836
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:37,070
Now in Hebrew Pi-Hahiroth literally
837
00:41:37,070 --> 00:41:40,210
means "mouth of the gorges."
838
00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:45,210
And as we look into this interior of the peninsula we see
839
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,810
that it's a series of serpentine gorges
840
00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:52,280
going back into the higher terrain.
841
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,690
In Fritz's view,
842
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:56,430
the Hebrew of this verse actually puts the mouth
843
00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:58,930
of these gorges where the Hebrews would have entered
844
00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:00,380
the Wadi Watir,
845
00:42:00,380 --> 00:42:03,090
and that this entrance was facing north,
846
00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:06,060
which is what he believes the term "Baal-zephon,"
847
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,580
or "lord of the north" was representing.
848
00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:10,487
But what about Migdol?
849
00:42:10,487 --> 00:42:12,770
Migdol in Hebrew means "tower"
850
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:15,520
and a lot of people would say that's a building or a tower.
851
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,960
However, we have to think in grander terms in the broad,
852
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,350
open wilderness of this area and think
853
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:26,200
that perhaps Migdol represents the towering mountain mass
854
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,140
at the base of the Sinai peninsula.
855
00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:31,770
And so, if they encamped at this area here,
856
00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:35,140
which is a broad beachhead, now Nuweiba,
857
00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:38,090
they would be encamping between the sea and Migdol,
858
00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:39,725
the towering mountains.
859
00:42:39,725 --> 00:42:43,200
(wind blowing heavily)
860
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,510
At Nuweiba, Ron Wyatt found
861
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:47,283
a column on the shoreline.
862
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:51,253
It was reported to authorities who later erected it.
863
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:56,840
Wyatt also claimed to discover a matching column
864
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,323
across from Nuweiba in Saudi Arabia
865
00:42:59,323 --> 00:43:02,290
that was later removed by the Saudis.
866
00:43:02,290 --> 00:43:07,260
A granite column that we first found in 1978
867
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:10,660
and if you look at the column behind me here.
868
00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:14,190
This part was laying down in the surf
869
00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:17,833
and it had been eroded considerably by the surf.
870
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:24,039
This is one of a matched pair of columns
871
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:27,080
set up at the crossing site,
872
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,620
where the "Habiru" led by Moses crossed the sea.
873
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:34,330
There was an inscription at one time on this,
874
00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:37,330
we believe simply because there is one
875
00:43:37,330 --> 00:43:41,890
on a column just like this on the other side.
876
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:45,660
However it's been eroded away or chiseled away,
877
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:47,070
we're not sure which.
878
00:43:47,070 --> 00:43:48,930
It may have been chiseled away
879
00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:51,870
and then toppled into the surf.
880
00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:56,740
The thing that is unique about it is its design.
881
00:43:56,740 --> 00:43:58,830
It's a Phoenician design.
882
00:43:58,830 --> 00:44:01,500
And the one on the eastern shore,
883
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:04,130
had an archaic Hebrew inscription.
884
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:06,110
Wyatt later translated the inscription
885
00:44:06,110 --> 00:44:09,340
from memory for the column on the Saudi side.
886
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:12,520
He claimed to have identified the words Pharaoh,
887
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Mizraim, Death, Edom, Yahweh and Solomon.
888
00:44:17,810 --> 00:44:19,820
He believed these columns were erected
889
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:21,910
by King Solomon and dedicated
890
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:25,390
to Israel's God Yahweh to commemorate the miracle
891
00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:27,053
of the Exodus sea crossing.
892
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,180
When I look at that,
893
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:31,290
what I see is a Roman column.
894
00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:32,760
It's a typical Roman column.
895
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,300
It's got nothing to do with the period of Solomon at all.
896
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:36,980
And as for the one on the other side,
897
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:38,420
on the Arabian side,
898
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:39,970
well nobody has ever seen that.
899
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:41,480
It supposedly has an inscription on it,
900
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,600
mentioning Solomon, mentioning Moses,
901
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,100
mentioning the death of somebody or other.
902
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:46,933
We don't know.
903
00:44:46,933 --> 00:44:48,600
We've never seen the inscription.
904
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,910
We've never seen a photograph of it,
905
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:51,600
or a drawing of it.
906
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,570
And we've never seen the actual pillar itself,
907
00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:55,410
so how can we make a judgment on
908
00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:56,760
something we've never seen?
909
00:44:57,810 --> 00:45:00,220
When you don't have the evidence to hand,
910
00:45:00,220 --> 00:45:01,430
you cannot discuss it.
911
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:03,080
You've got to have that evidence.
912
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:06,670
The debate over Wyatt's discoveries
913
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:08,490
did not end here.
914
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:13,440
Possibly the most controversial find came in 1988.
915
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,280
I used some electronics that can tell you
916
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,560
where gold is located at a distance.
917
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,500
And so I triangulated from the shoreline,
918
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:28,690
I went down and,
919
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:31,690
shall we say, started moving silt and stuff,
920
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:35,723
until I actually found this gold-veneer chariot wheel.
921
00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:40,480
I contacted Dr. Gregor Hodgson,
922
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,020
a marine ecologist and coral expert
923
00:45:43,020 --> 00:45:46,090
he is also the founder of Reef Check.
924
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:49,433
I showed him images of Wyatt's gold-veneer chariot wheel.
925
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,860
{\an8}The suspicious thing about that particular photograph
926
00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:56,633
{\an8}is that the wheel is extremely clean.
927
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,280
As we can see from the underwater footage,
928
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,160
anything that sits on the bottom for any period
929
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,490
of time that's got a nice flat surface
930
00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:08,730
to it will be encrusted with all kinds of living organisms
931
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:11,080
from squishy little sponges
932
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,080
to hard calcareous objects from bryozoans to corals,
933
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:18,980
and so it's extremely suspicious looking
934
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:21,083
to see an object like that.
935
00:46:22,350 --> 00:46:24,440
Over time, the claims by Wyatt
936
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,770
and the other Exodus explorers became
937
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:29,600
widely criticized because of their inability
938
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,220
to verify their finds,
939
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:33,433
as well as their amateur approach.
940
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,710
This has caused scholars to dismiss the Gulf of Aqaba
941
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:39,980
as an option for the sea crossing
942
00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:43,580
{\an8}too far, too deep and too controversial
943
00:46:43,580 --> 00:46:45,933
{\an8}with its connection to Ron Wyatt.
944
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:50,030
{\an8}However, Wyatt wasn't the first to suggest
945
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:54,263
a sea crossing at Aqaba or that Mt. Sinai was in Arabia.
946
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:58,880
A century earlier, Charles Beke,
947
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,440
one of England's preeminent geographers,
948
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,000
also proposed these areas.
949
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,810
But for these radical ideas he was stripped
950
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:09,763
of his gold medal for his achievements in geography.
951
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:15,930
All these Exodus explorers defended themselves
952
00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:18,390
by claiming they were documenting sites
953
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:19,930
that no one would acknowledge
954
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:22,293
had potential connection to the Bible.
955
00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:24,800
And in some cases,
956
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,100
these sites were off limits, even to archaeologists.
957
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,690
But the question remains,
958
00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:32,480
whoever put pillars here,
959
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,130
whether one or two,
960
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:36,490
what were they marking?
961
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:38,800
Wyatt's claims divided people.
962
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,803
Some believed he was led by God,
963
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:43,680
but there were others who argued
964
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,943
he was a fraud just out to make money.
965
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,230
I never met Ron Wyatt.
966
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:52,100
He died several years before I was involved.
967
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:54,123
But I did interview people who knew him.
968
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:56,913
Eric Lembcke was one of them.
969
00:47:58,353 --> 00:48:01,570
(upbeat music)
970
00:48:01,570 --> 00:48:04,620
Lembcke joined the fire department right out of high school.
971
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:07,990
He later joined the US Forest Service as a hotshot,
972
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:11,600
jumping out of helicopters to fight remote wildfires.
973
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,370
He went on to get a degree in business at Cal Berkeley.
974
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:18,750
I always wanted to work in national security matters.
975
00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:20,360
I ended up getting accepted,
976
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,747
went all the way through the process
977
00:48:21,747 --> 00:48:23,710
and started working for the government,
978
00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:25,480
national security matters,
979
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,680
federal law enforcement.
980
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:32,020
So tell me how you got involved diving at the Red Sea.
981
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:37,020
{\an8}I always had an interest in biblical stories.
982
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:41,250
{\an8}And I happened to meet an amateur archeologist
983
00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:43,660
by the name of Ron Wyatt.
984
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:46,300
I thought, "I need to meet this person firsthand,"
985
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,730
to verify one, the messenger, and two,
986
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:52,260
personally if I can evaluate whether or not
987
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:53,750
they had any credibility to them.
988
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:56,370
I know that people have been very critical of Ron Wyatt,
989
00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:59,540
thinking that he's not credible.
990
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:02,100
Sure. And let's be honest.
991
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:05,190
One man finding this location,
992
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:08,350
as well as quote "a lot of other locations"
993
00:49:08,350 --> 00:49:10,750
that he's made the claim to find,
994
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:14,460
I think if somebody is not skeptical to begin with
995
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:16,620
and just believes it at face value,
996
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,310
they're not doing exactly what they should do.
997
00:49:18,310 --> 00:49:19,450
Because what does the Bible say?
998
00:49:19,450 --> 00:49:21,327
It says, "Prove all things,
999
00:49:21,327 --> 00:49:23,470
"hold fast to that which is good."
1000
00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:27,060
And so that's what initially what I did with Ron.
1001
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:28,090
I thought, okay,
1002
00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:29,360
I've got to meet him.
1003
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,930
Then I've got to evaluate these things firsthand.
1004
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:36,423
And I found him to be consistent all the time.
1005
00:49:37,690 --> 00:49:39,950
Now there's certain things that he's made claims
1006
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:42,503
of that at this point in time,
1007
00:49:43,590 --> 00:49:45,400
we don't know the answer to it.
1008
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,200
But I take it from the approach of,
1009
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,770
let's wait and see.
1010
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:51,293
I had no reason to doubt him from what I had seen.
1011
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,480
I didn't witness some of the previous chariot wheels
1012
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,660
that were documented.
1013
00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:00,480
I didn't see them.
1014
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,140
But I believe that he found them based upon
1015
00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:05,960
what I just told you and my experience with him.
1016
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,860
He was a one of a kind.
1017
00:50:06,860 --> 00:50:10,513
I had never met anybody else like him.
1018
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:15,300
I too, just wanted to know if there was any proof
1019
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:17,760
to the things these Exodus explorers
1020
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,230
claimed to find at Nuweiba beach,
1021
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:23,185
and how that fits into the pattern.
1022
00:50:23,185 --> 00:50:26,185
(suspenseful music)
1023
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,050
Next, I need to investigate the southern end
1024
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:34,322
of the Gulf of Aqaba for its Detour to a Dead End.
1025
00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:36,905
(upbeat music)
1026
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,820
Steve Rudd, is an archeologist
1027
00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:45,670
and researcher who runs the world's most visited website
1028
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:48,700
dealing with matters of biblical archaeology.
1029
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:52,510
He has also written the book "Exodus Route Restored".
1030
00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:54,390
He takes the Hebrew approach
1031
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:57,760
and favors a Dead End crossing site at the southern end
1032
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,870
of the Gulf of Aqaba at the Straits of Tiran.
1033
00:51:01,870 --> 00:51:05,040
I started by using just the Bible alone.
1034
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,930
I didn't use literally sources.
1035
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:08,080
I didn't use archeology.
1036
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:08,930
I didn't use anything.
1037
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:11,330
{\an8}I ignored what everybody said and just stopped
1038
00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:13,710
{\an8}and looked at what the Bible said.
1039
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:17,520
{\an8}And it was then that I conceived
1040
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,260
that the crossing point must be somewhere down here.
1041
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:23,640
And that of course automatically
1042
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,130
forces Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia.
1043
00:51:27,130 --> 00:51:28,480
What general route do you have the
1044
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,270
Israelites taking to the sea?
1045
00:51:30,270 --> 00:51:31,500
So it comes down here.
1046
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,560
And I call this the Exodus highway.
1047
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,960
It's about 18 to 20 kilometers wide.
1048
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,500
It's perfect travel for a large population.
1049
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:41,630
And when you cross the sea,
1050
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:44,710
you've got the same thing continuing over here.
1051
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:46,160
Very, very easy travel.
1052
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,100
And so what I believe
1053
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:51,640
is the Israelites came down here and they came past
1054
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,740
to Etham and they were trapped at Etham,
1055
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:57,600
they came to a dead end.
1056
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,673
Why? Because there's a series of mountains
1057
00:52:00,673 --> 00:52:05,652
that go all the way over here and it's impassable.
1058
00:52:05,652 --> 00:52:06,620
You cannot walk through here.
1059
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:07,980
The water comes straight down
1060
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:11,400
at a sharp angle. They're really trapped hard here.
1061
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,610
God says, "Turn back."
1062
00:52:13,610 --> 00:52:15,070
It means, for example,
1063
00:52:15,070 --> 00:52:19,220
when Isaiah is calling the people to repentance,
1064
00:52:19,220 --> 00:52:20,777
he uses the same word.
1065
00:52:20,777 --> 00:52:23,270
"Come back to the Lord, turn back to the Lord."
1066
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:25,600
And we know the word repentance means
1067
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,030
to change 180 degrees direction.
1068
00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:33,030
And so it's very natural to have this mean a reversal,
1069
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:36,140
and what I call a backtrack.
1070
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,420
Etham is one of the most critical markers
1071
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:40,780
for all the crossing points
1072
00:52:40,780 --> 00:52:43,240
of which of all the potential crossing points
1073
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,820
that I'm aware of.
1074
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:47,360
This one here is the only one that fits perfectly
1075
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,600
where they're genuinely trapped.
1076
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,530
But they came back and they camped here.
1077
00:52:53,530 --> 00:52:58,150
It was at this point that Pharaoh realized this geography,
1078
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:59,070
that he could come down,
1079
00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:00,270
if he could just get
1080
00:53:00,270 --> 00:53:01,794
to right up here at Succoth.
1081
00:53:01,794 --> 00:53:03,230
(affirmative) Get up here.
1082
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:05,520
He's got them, he figures he's got them trapped.
1083
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,020
So, he comes down with his 600 chariots,
1084
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:10,307
and they would stop right about here.
1085
00:53:10,307 --> 00:53:13,886
And so you're placing Migdol, Pi-hahiroth,
1086
00:53:13,886 --> 00:53:15,960
in this area over here.
1087
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,510
So Tim, Pi-hahiroth, probably what it means
1088
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:23,660
is it's designating the tri-intersection
1089
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:28,370
of the three bodies of water that intersect at this point.
1090
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:32,983
Now the Migdol, if you have the copper mines over there,
1091
00:53:32,983 --> 00:53:34,910
and the copper mines up at Timna
1092
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:36,520
and you've got the Egyptian Seaport,
1093
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,670
there's going to be travel through here.
1094
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:42,620
And it's very logical for a Migdol to be somewhere in here.
1095
00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:45,910
We don't have any archeology for any of these sites.
1096
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:48,280
There is archeology for migdols
1097
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,857
up on the northern coast and people say,
1098
00:53:50,857 --> 00:53:53,427
"Oh, well there's none down here."
1099
00:53:53,427 --> 00:53:54,890
Well, migdols were everywhere,
1100
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:56,110
it just means a fort,
1101
00:53:56,110 --> 00:53:57,880
a tower, a watch tower.
1102
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
One reason Steve Rudd thinks a crossing at one
1103
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,210
of the border lakes would not fit the Bible
1104
00:54:03,210 --> 00:54:05,000
is that after they crossed,
1105
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,930
the Israelites would still have been in close proximity
1106
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:10,200
to several Egyptian forts.
1107
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,510
When they crossed the Red Sea, they felt safe.
1108
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:14,600
They were rejoicing.
1109
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,780
Crossing the Red Sea is, in the Bible,
1110
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:20,780
the time of Israelite salvation.
1111
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:24,840
So over here they wouldn't start having any rejoicing,
1112
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,800
because you would not feel safe.
1113
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,370
They would start running.
1114
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:29,369
They'd just keep running.
1115
00:54:29,369 --> 00:54:31,536
(chiming)
1116
00:54:32,376 --> 00:54:34,959
(upbeat music)
1117
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:41,670
In the Detour to a Dead End step,
1118
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:43,920
which one of these locations seems
1119
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,690
to fit the biblical account best?
1120
00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:48,400
In the Egyptian approach,
1121
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,030
it's a fortress that causes the Detour,
1122
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:53,600
which sends the Israelites to the near side of one
1123
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,570
{\an8}of the marsh lakes along Egypt's border.
1124
00:54:56,570 --> 00:54:59,020
{\an8}It links place-names mentioned in the Bible
1125
00:54:59,020 --> 00:55:00,310
{\an8}for the Dead End,
1126
00:55:00,310 --> 00:55:03,310
{\an8}with Egyptian meanings and locations.
1127
00:55:03,310 --> 00:55:04,810
{\an8}In the Hybrid approach,
1128
00:55:04,810 --> 00:55:07,330
{\an8}the Detour proposals near the north end
1129
00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:10,330
{\an8}of Aqaba favor naturalistic explanations
1130
00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:12,640
{\an8}for the pillar of cloud and fire,
1131
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,823
{\an8}with a volcano as its source,
1132
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:19,610
{\an8}and the Dead End occurring at shallow bodies of water.
1133
00:55:19,610 --> 00:55:20,940
{\an8}In the Hebrew approach,
1134
00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:24,030
{\an8}the Detour in the central Nuweiba beach proposal
1135
00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:25,860
{\an8}would have been an unexpected turn
1136
00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:27,830
{\an8}off the main way to Midian,
1137
00:55:27,830 --> 00:55:30,430
{\an8}that led through a gorge to a massive beach
1138
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:33,623
{\an8}where they were shut in on all sides by mountains.
1139
00:55:34,580 --> 00:55:37,080
{\an8}The Detour at the south end of the Peninsula's
1140
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,453
{\an8}Straits of Tiran was caused by an impassable mountain range.
1141
00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,470
So it comes down to this.
1142
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:48,790
Which evidence is stronger?
1143
00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:51,440
The Egyptian place-names at the border lakes,
1144
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,490
or the biblical descriptions of the journey found
1145
00:55:54,490 --> 00:55:56,760
in the Hebrew approach?
1146
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,930
As I looked further into the Scriptures,
1147
00:55:58,930 --> 00:56:02,883
I saw something very revealing that might give me a clue.
1148
00:56:04,229 --> 00:56:06,680
The people of Israel cried out to the Lord.
1149
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,160
They said to Moses,
1150
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,690
"Is it because there are no graves in Egypt
1151
00:56:10,690 --> 00:56:13,980
"that you have taken us away to die in the wilderness?
1152
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:17,870
"What have you done to us bringing us out of Egypt?"
1153
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:20,810
Egypt controlled various territories at times,
1154
00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:24,100
but historically the ancients defined Egypt proper
1155
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,800
as the lands watered by the Nile River.
1156
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,890
And Glen Fritz notes that with a Dead End
1157
00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:30,600
at the Gulf of Aqaba,
1158
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,460
the Israelites would have been both outside of Egypt,
1159
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:37,673
and in a wilderness in line with what this verse states.
1160
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,450
However, on the near side
1161
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:43,683
of the border lakes they would have still been in Egypt.
1162
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:48,590
I'm now ready for the 5th and final step
1163
00:56:48,590 --> 00:56:53,510
in this phase of the investigation - Deep Sea -
1164
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:55,660
and explanations for the Egyptian
1165
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:59,570
and Hebrew approaches for the Red Sea miracle.
1166
00:56:59,570 --> 00:57:03,110
"And you cast their pursuers into the depths,
1167
00:57:03,110 --> 00:57:05,483
"as a stone into mighty waters."
1168
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:09,360
I wanted to start with the Egyptian approach
1169
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,703
and its naturalistic explanations.
1170
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:15,030
How does it explain the waters parting
1171
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:17,660
in a shallow water scenario?
1172
00:57:17,660 --> 00:57:20,030
The Bible tells you it was a natural mechanism.
1173
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:20,970
It's explicit.
1174
00:57:20,970 --> 00:57:24,997
The Bible says, "Moses spread out his hands over the Red Sea
1175
00:57:24,997 --> 00:57:28,683
"and the Lord sent a strong east wind which blew all night."
1176
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:32,280
The Bible is telling you it's the strong east wind,
1177
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,430
which blew all night which did it.
1178
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:37,120
And it's still a miracle because the timing.
1179
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,590
I'd explain all that by something
1180
00:57:38,590 --> 00:57:40,100
that's called wind set down,
1181
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:42,737
which is well-known to scientists.
1182
00:57:42,737 --> 00:57:45,320
(upbeat music)
1183
00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:50,840
{\an8}While in Boulder, Colorado,
1184
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,600
{\an8}I met with another scientist about this wind set down idea.
1185
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,280
Carl Drews is a software engineer at the National Center
1186
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,490
for Atmospheric Research.
1187
00:58:01,490 --> 00:58:04,377
He wrote the book "Between Migdol and the Sea"
1188
00:58:04,377 --> 00:58:08,180
"Crossing the Red Sea with faith and science".
1189
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:10,510
He has studied storm surge modeling
1190
00:58:10,510 --> 00:58:13,910
and the wind's effect on water and landmasses.
1191
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:17,120
He proposes the Exodus crossing happened at a lake
1192
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,460
north of Ballah Lake at a place he calls Lake Tanis,
1193
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:23,803
near where Lake Menzaleh is today.
1194
00:58:26,372 --> 00:58:27,470
How in the world did you decide
1195
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:28,830
to get involved with this?
1196
00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:30,820
I was in graduate school in my first semester,
1197
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:33,630
{\an8}and Professor David Noone was explaining the Ekman Spiral,
1198
00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:36,780
{\an8}how the wind blows across water and the water pulls back
1199
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:39,040
{\an8}and recedes from the shoreline.
1200
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,640
And suddenly there came into my mind,
1201
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,890
I've heard this story before.
1202
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:43,723
I've heard this.
1203
00:58:43,723 --> 00:58:45,960
This is about the Exodus and the parting of the Red Sea.
1204
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,900
The strong east wind blew and the waters parted,
1205
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:51,110
and Moses and the Israelites escaped.
1206
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:53,540
So, as everybody else was taking notes,
1207
00:58:53,540 --> 00:58:55,370
I was my mind was elsewhere,
1208
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:57,600
day dreaming and thinking about this scenario
1209
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,990
and how this could fit.
1210
00:58:58,990 --> 00:59:01,360
So the key is the east wind isn't it for you?
1211
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,850
The east wind is the key.
1212
00:59:02,850 --> 00:59:04,480
If the direction comes
1213
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,770
from any other place then the crossing there won't work.
1214
00:59:08,770 --> 00:59:10,950
Curiously enough, I didn't really have
1215
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:12,340
to know the wind direction.
1216
00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:14,440
The only possibility for a crossing with water
1217
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,650
on both sides is really up here,
1218
00:59:16,650 --> 00:59:18,110
even if you try blowing the wind
1219
00:59:18,110 --> 00:59:19,610
in all different directions,
1220
00:59:19,610 --> 00:59:22,030
you get no set down for Gulf of Aqaba,
1221
00:59:22,030 --> 00:59:24,530
you really don't get water on both sides here.
1222
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:28,300
So still, the only possible place is here.
1223
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:32,000
If you had told me that somewhere near the Sinai,
1224
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,900
wind blows and splits the water,
1225
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:36,610
I could find it from there.
1226
00:59:36,610 --> 00:59:37,610
Okay how does it work,
1227
00:59:37,610 --> 00:59:41,050
how does wind actually move water?
1228
00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:42,460
I'll explain how this works
1229
00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:43,870
by showing you an animation here.
1230
00:59:43,870 --> 00:59:46,150
This is the result of the computer model.
1231
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:50,010
This is a schematic of what the area looked like,
1232
00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:53,130
and so what we see is the Lake of Tanis here.
1233
00:59:53,130 --> 00:59:55,480
All the blue is bodies of water.
1234
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,230
The deep blue is the Mediterranean Ocean,
1235
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:59,420
and the green is low-lying land.
1236
00:59:59,420 --> 01:00:02,740
The red is higher land on the Sinai.
1237
01:00:02,740 --> 01:00:04,000
So, where are the Israelites?
1238
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,620
The Israelites began on the point of
1239
01:00:05,620 --> 01:00:08,570
this peninsula here looking toward the east.
1240
01:00:08,570 --> 01:00:10,330
And so we'll see what happens to these bodies
1241
01:00:10,330 --> 01:00:11,823
of water when the wind blows.
1242
01:00:12,730 --> 01:00:14,453
Nothing much happens at first.
1243
01:00:15,690 --> 01:00:19,720
Then you see this brown area growing here on the east side.
1244
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,900
That's dry land.
1245
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:22,930
That's where the water has completely blown away
1246
01:00:22,930 --> 01:00:25,500
from the surface of the lagoon,
1247
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:28,352
leaving dry land below which is now two meters
1248
01:00:28,352 --> 01:00:31,270
below the former level of the water.
1249
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:33,670
So, it's blowing back and creating a larger
1250
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:35,723
and larger area of dry land there.
1251
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,770
The Egyptians are over here somewhere.
1252
01:00:38,770 --> 01:00:41,260
The Israelites are stuck on the end of this peninsula hoping
1253
01:00:41,260 --> 01:00:43,670
that something good will happen out of this.
1254
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:45,443
The water is pulling back,
1255
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,400
and at about nine-and-a-half hours sure enough,
1256
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,110
there is a dry path leading forward to freedom there,
1257
01:00:53,110 --> 01:00:55,240
which is the opposite shore.
1258
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,030
They have water on both sides.
1259
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:58,977
So, they start heading across.
1260
01:00:58,977 --> 01:01:00,456
(uplifting music)
1261
01:01:00,456 --> 01:01:01,650
The wind keeps blowing, keeps blowing,
1262
01:01:01,650 --> 01:01:03,520
and they have plenty of room here.
1263
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,830
So, it's really not a narrow passage
1264
01:01:05,830 --> 01:01:08,160
as you've seen in lots of these depictions.
1265
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,150
It's quite a wide area.
1266
01:01:09,150 --> 01:01:10,470
This is probably four kilometers wide,
1267
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:13,050
so there's room enough for anybody to go through.
1268
01:01:13,050 --> 01:01:15,930
They crossed along this land bridge here.
1269
01:01:15,930 --> 01:01:18,800
This brown area here is dry land,
1270
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,800
and they are now safe, exhausted, on this point here,
1271
01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:25,661
but they're alive.
1272
01:01:25,661 --> 01:01:28,210
And the chariots meanwhile have figured out
1273
01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:30,680
what's happening because it's now dawn,
1274
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,930
twelve hours after the wind starts blowing,
1275
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:34,103
the wind stops.
1276
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,640
Water now is unconstrained by the force of the wind,
1277
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,490
and so it's going to be surging in from both directions.
1278
01:01:41,490 --> 01:01:44,643
So, if they are stuck in the gap they're going to drown.
1279
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,440
How deep would that water have been?
1280
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,610
Right now the lakes here are about two meters,
1281
01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:51,970
maybe a meter and a half deep.
1282
01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:54,550
That depth of two meters fits the definition
1283
01:01:54,550 --> 01:01:57,040
of somebody drowning,
1284
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,010
especially if they can't swim very well with their armor on.
1285
01:02:00,010 --> 01:02:01,990
It's also the present depth of these lagoons here,
1286
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:04,330
so there is a decent basis for thinking
1287
01:02:04,330 --> 01:02:05,310
about two meters deep.
1288
01:02:05,310 --> 01:02:07,500
With that returning water,
1289
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,530
could it even be higher than two meters?
1290
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:11,370
Yeah, the return surge certainly would be higher,
1291
01:02:11,370 --> 01:02:13,660
maybe it would be three meters deep, maybe even four.
1292
01:02:13,660 --> 01:02:15,060
When it comes back it forms
1293
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:17,200
this thing called a hydraulic jump,
1294
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,090
which is basically what most people call a tidal wave,
1295
01:02:20,090 --> 01:02:21,290
and it's this huge,
1296
01:02:21,290 --> 01:02:25,120
frothing wall of water which comes just at you,
1297
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,080
and if you're in the gap there
1298
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,260
and you've been up all night
1299
01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:30,020
and you're trying to get yourself free,
1300
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:31,900
it would be terrifying to have this wall
1301
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:33,210
of water coming at you
1302
01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:36,250
and there would be no escape from it.
1303
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:39,000
I showed Carl Drews' wind set down animation
1304
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,970
to David Rohl and he noticed that
1305
01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:42,870
the Ballah Lakes area went dry
1306
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:45,490
before Drews' Lake Tanis area.
1307
01:02:45,490 --> 01:02:47,233
I've seen that the Ballah Lakes area
1308
01:02:47,233 --> 01:02:48,890
does dry up on that model,
1309
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:50,100
but there's a reason for that, isn't it?
1310
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,754
Something to do with the depth of the water, is that right?
1311
01:02:52,754 --> 01:02:55,490
Yes. The Ballah lakes dry up in the north part
1312
01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:57,067
and what has been postulated there
1313
01:02:57,067 --> 01:02:58,920
is that it's a marshy area.
1314
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,110
It's not a full lake.
1315
01:03:00,110 --> 01:03:02,520
So I have modeled that as a half a meter deep,
1316
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,870
which is about two feet or so.
1317
01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:08,560
Whereas I had the lake of Tannis at two meters deep,
1318
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,610
which is about six foot seven inches.
1319
01:03:10,610 --> 01:03:13,410
So, if there's a shallower area such as the marsh,
1320
01:03:13,410 --> 01:03:16,260
it will dry out quicker during the wind setdown event.
1321
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:18,020
But it won't be as dramatic in terms
1322
01:03:18,020 --> 01:03:19,430
of the return of the water
1323
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:22,333
with a very shallow situation like that would it?
1324
01:03:22,333 --> 01:03:24,330
{\an8}Yes. You would get about a meter
1325
01:03:24,330 --> 01:03:27,010
{\an8}of water coming back over it in the return surge,
1326
01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:29,540
{\an8}which would be about waist or chest high,
1327
01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:31,610
{\an8}but that is a smaller return surge
1328
01:03:31,610 --> 01:03:33,960
{\an8}than I postulated in the lake of Tannis.
1329
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,120
Right. But what happens if we adjust
1330
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,120
your model a little bit?
1331
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,240
Let's say for instance,
1332
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,860
we increase the depth of the water to a meter.
1333
01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:43,520
Would it still have the wind set down effect?
1334
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,320
A moment ago, I quoted to you a six hour crossing time.
1335
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,630
If the water were a meter deep at the Ballah Lakes,
1336
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:52,240
perhaps the crossing time would be four or three hours.
1337
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,760
It'd be a shorter time, but yes,
1338
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,170
it would still happen.
1339
01:03:55,170 --> 01:03:57,030
How might a wind set down have looked
1340
01:03:57,030 --> 01:03:58,980
for an Exodus sea crossing,
1341
01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:02,240
if it happened at one of the shallow bodies of water,
1342
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,217
either on Egypt's border or north of Aqaba?
1343
01:04:06,217 --> 01:04:08,800
(upbeat music)
1344
01:04:15,558 --> 01:04:19,296
(chariots rumbling)
1345
01:04:19,296 --> 01:04:20,280
Then the angel of God
1346
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,960
who was going before the host
1347
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,030
of Israel moved and went behind them,
1348
01:04:25,030 --> 01:04:28,993
coming between the host of Egypt and the host of Israel.
1349
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,280
And there was the cloud and the darkness.
1350
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,640
And it lit up the night without
1351
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,442
one coming near the other all night.
1352
01:04:38,442 --> 01:04:41,025
(upbeat music)
1353
01:04:44,490 --> 01:04:46,550
Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea,
1354
01:04:46,550 --> 01:04:48,730
and the Lord drove the sea back
1355
01:04:48,730 --> 01:04:53,730
by a strong east wind all night and made the sea dry land.
1356
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,803
The waters were divided.
1357
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:59,180
People of Israel went into the midst
1358
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:00,850
of the sea on dry ground,
1359
01:05:00,850 --> 01:05:04,280
the waters being a wall to them on their right hand
1360
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,704
and on their left.
1361
01:05:05,704 --> 01:05:07,510
(upbeat music)
1362
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:08,590
One of the things that came up
1363
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:10,400
when I announced this research was,
1364
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,500
"Is this a miracle or is it not a miracle
1365
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:14,120
"because you've shown it can happen according
1366
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,370
"to the laws of physics?"
1367
01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:16,293
The shorter answer is,
1368
01:05:16,293 --> 01:05:18,280
this is absolutely a miracle.
1369
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,156
This event happened precisely when they were there.
1370
01:05:21,156 --> 01:05:22,300
I would say that again,
1371
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:24,410
is showing the hand of God.
1372
01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:26,900
The Israelites thought they were going to die
1373
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:28,030
when the sun went down,
1374
01:05:28,030 --> 01:05:29,390
and in the morning they ended up
1375
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:32,023
alive over here and that's a miracle.
1376
01:05:32,023 --> 01:05:34,700
(ambient music)
1377
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:37,720
The Egyptians pursued and went in after them
1378
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,270
into the midst of the sea,
1379
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:42,723
all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots and his horsemen.
1380
01:05:43,650 --> 01:05:47,420
And in the morning, the Lord in the pillar of fire
1381
01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:51,190
and of cloud looked down on the Egyptian forces,
1382
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:54,640
and threw the Egyptian forces into a panic,
1383
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,273
clogging their chariot wheels so that they drove heavily.
1384
01:05:59,610 --> 01:06:01,080
At the Timna shallow water
1385
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,400
crossing site north of Aqaba,
1386
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,950
Dr. Baltz had an interesting observation
1387
01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:08,850
related to Exodus 14:25.
1388
01:06:08,850 --> 01:06:11,480
It states that when the Egyptians pursued,
1389
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,170
the Lord in the pillar of fire
1390
01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:15,640
and cloud clogged their chariot wheels
1391
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,453
so they had difficulty driving.
1392
01:06:18,570 --> 01:06:22,640
They may have pursued actually through
1393
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,400
this volcanic dust coming down on them.
1394
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,300
The little microscopic particles are very sharp.
1395
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,080
This is like new sand,
1396
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,640
so it is notorious for destroying mechanical things.
1397
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,600
This got into these bearings and started
1398
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,200
to destroy the bearings from the inside.
1399
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,530
It cut wood shavings loose and those wood shavings tended
1400
01:06:46,530 --> 01:06:51,350
to fill up the void between these collars and the axle,
1401
01:06:51,350 --> 01:06:53,210
and stop it from turning.
1402
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:56,363
Either way, you have a disabled chariot army.
1403
01:06:56,363 --> 01:06:58,946
(upbeat music)
1404
01:07:00,854 --> 01:07:02,807
Then the Lord said to Moses,
1405
01:07:02,807 --> 01:07:05,589
"Stretch out your hand over the sea,
1406
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:08,063
"that the water may come back upon the Egyptians,
1407
01:07:08,063 --> 01:07:08,896
"upon their chariots,
1408
01:07:08,896 --> 01:07:10,297
"and upon their horsemen."
1409
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:14,480
(upbeat music)
1410
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,313
The Lord threw the Egyptians into the midst of the sea.
1411
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,403
And the sea returned to its normal course,
1412
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:27,900
when the morning appeared.
1413
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,980
This kind of shallow water crossing,
1414
01:07:34,980 --> 01:07:37,080
however, doesn't match what I saw
1415
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,700
when I was a kid watching
1416
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:41,249
Cecil B. DeMille's "The Ten Commandments".
1417
01:07:41,249 --> 01:07:44,411
Behold his mighty hand.
1418
01:07:44,411 --> 01:07:45,740
It was on in the evening,
1419
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:47,473
every Easter Sunday,
1420
01:07:49,330 --> 01:07:52,070
and became a special tradition in my family
1421
01:07:52,070 --> 01:07:55,940
that often included popcorn and sometimes rootbeer.
1422
01:07:55,940 --> 01:07:59,860
Who shall withstand the power of God?
1423
01:07:59,860 --> 01:08:02,248
I could see the Bible coming to life
1424
01:08:02,248 --> 01:08:04,630
(waves crashing and people screaming)
1425
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:07,628
with Pharaoh's army being drowned in the mighty Red Sea.
1426
01:08:07,628 --> 01:08:10,378
(dramatic music)
1427
01:08:17,890 --> 01:08:21,180
This is an illustration by Gustav Doré
1428
01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:24,570
whom grandfather copied without embarrassment.
1429
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:27,730
This project allowed me to get to know Cece DeMille,
1430
01:08:27,730 --> 01:08:29,623
Cecil B. DeMille's granddaughter.
1431
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:32,020
We spent several days talking
1432
01:08:32,020 --> 01:08:34,330
about Cecil's intensive preparation
1433
01:08:34,330 --> 01:08:36,487
for making "The Ten Commandments".
1434
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,650
One of the things I found very interesting
1435
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:42,360
about your grandfather was how much research
1436
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:46,000
that he put into making the films that he made.
1437
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,680
{\an8}For DeMille, research was everything.
1438
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,830
{\an8}He said he made his movies at his desk.
1439
01:08:50,830 --> 01:08:51,950
{\an8}Indeed he did.
1440
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:53,489
Josephus wrote some ..
1441
01:08:53,489 --> 01:08:56,600
But he always wanted to make the story of Moses.
1442
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,020
So he never stopped researching Moses.
1443
01:09:00,020 --> 01:09:02,350
Between the baby and the basket...
1444
01:09:02,350 --> 01:09:05,490
We had so much research that Henry Nordlinger,
1445
01:09:05,490 --> 01:09:07,050
our leading researcher,
1446
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:10,750
wrote a book for USC called "Moses in Egypt",
1447
01:09:10,750 --> 01:09:14,370
which at the time was the best research done.
1448
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:17,160
To film the "Ten Commandments,"
1449
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,830
we rolled our cameras on the very ground that Moses walked.
1450
01:09:21,830 --> 01:09:26,500
Here from the land of Goshen across the Red Sea
1451
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:31,343
down through the deserts of Shur and Sin to Mount Sinai.
1452
01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:34,070
The holy place of God.
1453
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:35,483
What I find ironic is
1454
01:09:35,483 --> 01:09:37,520
that DeMille's research led him
1455
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,980
to follow the Egyptian view of his day,
1456
01:09:39,980 --> 01:09:43,630
by putting the sea crossing at the shallow border lakes.
1457
01:09:43,630 --> 01:09:47,410
Lead them through the midst of the waters.
1458
01:09:47,410 --> 01:09:50,320
And yet, his film depicted a grand miracle
1459
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,980
with high walls of water through a deep sea in line
1460
01:09:53,980 --> 01:09:55,090
with the Hebrew view
1461
01:09:55,090 --> 01:09:57,483
of what the Bible seems to be describing.
1462
01:09:58,612 --> 01:10:01,362
(waves crashing)
1463
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:05,310
But this spectacular depiction is not
1464
01:10:05,310 --> 01:10:07,290
how a crossing would have looked at one
1465
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:09,610
of the shallow marsh lakes.
1466
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:12,400
The challenge that I see with wind set down is that
1467
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,040
the water would be miles away.
1468
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,780
I mean it would be pushed miles away
1469
01:10:15,780 --> 01:10:18,920
from either end and you wouldn't see a wall of water.
1470
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,320
You would see a wall of water coming back at you I suppose
1471
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,910
once the people were through and the Egyptian army
1472
01:10:24,910 --> 01:10:26,300
is at the center of this,
1473
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:27,920
Let's just say when Cecil B. DeMille
1474
01:10:29,670 --> 01:10:31,960
made his films on the Ten Commandments,
1475
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,930
he illustrated the fact that the Israelites are walking
1476
01:10:34,930 --> 01:10:37,160
and they could see the wall of water on their left
1477
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,560
and wall of water on their right.
1478
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,940
That's the impression you get when you read Exodus.
1479
01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:43,870
It is, and in some ways it's the cultural impression
1480
01:10:43,870 --> 01:10:45,950
you get from Cecil B.DeMille's movies.
1481
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:48,380
You've got this vision in your mind now,
1482
01:10:48,380 --> 01:10:49,730
of that's the way it should look.
1483
01:10:49,730 --> 01:10:51,700
But it's not what the Bible says.
1484
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:53,610
Well it does say that there are walls of water.
1485
01:10:53,610 --> 01:10:55,690
Yes but not, not deep walls of water,
1486
01:10:55,690 --> 01:10:57,040
not high walls of water.
1487
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,233
That's the issue here.
1488
01:11:00,170 --> 01:11:02,630
But is the Egyptian view ignoring
1489
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:06,540
or downplaying important biblical passages talking about
1490
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:08,550
deep waters with walls?
1491
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:11,040
The Hebrew approach says they are.
1492
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,240
It comes down to the definition of Yam Suph
1493
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,433
the name Moses gave for the crossing location.
1494
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:22,550
This term is translated "Red Sea" in most modern Bibles.
1495
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:26,200
However, it is thought to mean "Sea of Reeds" by those
1496
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,161
in the Egyptian approach.
1497
01:11:28,161 --> 01:11:29,160
(waves crashing)
1498
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,070
But the Hebrew approach sees many reasons to look
1499
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:34,650
to the Gulf of Aqaba as Yam Suph,
1500
01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:37,320
where the miraculous crossing took place.
1501
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,903
(upbeat music)
1502
01:11:40,810 --> 01:11:43,430
I set off for one of the largest seminaries
1503
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:45,650
in the United States.
1504
01:11:45,650 --> 01:11:47,840
Duane Garrett is a Hebrew scholar
1505
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,700
who authored "A Commentary on Exodus".
1506
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:55,490
Every biblical occurrence of Yam Suph
1507
01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:59,623
that identifies a location puts it at the Gulf of Aqaba.
1508
01:12:01,090 --> 01:12:03,390
There are many places where Yam Suph is used.
1509
01:12:03,390 --> 01:12:05,310
It doesn't specifically say where it is,
1510
01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:06,567
it just says the Yam Suph
1511
01:12:06,567 --> 01:12:09,250
and that's what you have in Exodus,
1512
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:11,020
but there are many other occurrences
1513
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:12,340
of the term Yam Suph
1514
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:15,730
that clearly put it at the Gulf of Aqaba.
1515
01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:17,720
{\an8}Yet those in the Egyptian approach,
1516
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,500
{\an8}including geographer Dr. Barry Beitzel, disagree.
1517
01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:25,540
{\an8}The expression Yam Suph is being used
1518
01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:28,660
{\an8}to identify more than the same body of water,
1519
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:30,000
{\an8}more than one.
1520
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,640
It did refer to the Gulf of Aqaba,
1521
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,840
but it also referred to the Gulf of Suez.
1522
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,173
It referred to inland lakes.
1523
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:39,660
However, the Hebrew approach believes
1524
01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:42,670
this view is based on circular reasoning
1525
01:12:42,670 --> 01:12:45,250
and the false assumption that the crossing had
1526
01:12:45,250 --> 01:12:47,720
to have happened near Egypt.
1527
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,077
There is no reference to Yam Suph
1528
01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:55,222
that has geographic markers attached to the term
1529
01:12:55,222 --> 01:12:57,710
in the narrative, in the description,
1530
01:12:57,710 --> 01:13:00,813
that put it anywhere except the Gulf of Aqaba.
1531
01:13:02,010 --> 01:13:04,760
But there was more to this point.
1532
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:09,760
In Exodus 23:31 God tells Moses to record
1533
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,700
the boundaries of the Promised Land.
1534
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:16,107
God says, "I will set your border from the Red Sea-
1535
01:13:16,107 --> 01:13:20,077
"or Yam Suph-to the Sea of the Philistines."
1536
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:24,870
The southern border of ancient Israel has always been known
1537
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:27,560
to go from Aqaba to the Mediterranean,
1538
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:28,923
as it does today.
1539
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,910
And if Moses is an eyewitness to the sea parting
1540
01:13:32,910 --> 01:13:35,150
and is recording something as important
1541
01:13:35,150 --> 01:13:38,400
as the boundary sea by the same name,
1542
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,623
wouldn't it be important to have aspecific location in mind?
1543
01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:46,750
That's why those in the Hebrew approach declare
1544
01:13:46,750 --> 01:13:50,070
that Aqaba is the only option for a crossing
1545
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:51,930
that fits the biblical criteria
1546
01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:54,320
of being both outside of Egypt,
1547
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,493
and a border marker for Israel.
1548
01:13:57,670 --> 01:13:59,740
I've actually heard from some scholars
1549
01:13:59,740 --> 01:14:02,180
that well there are many Yam Suphs
1550
01:14:02,180 --> 01:14:03,730
and what you're suggesting is that
1551
01:14:03,730 --> 01:14:04,900
that couldn't be the case,
1552
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:08,690
if this is a boundary marker in the Bible.
1553
01:14:08,690 --> 01:14:12,580
You're right. If this had multiple definitions,
1554
01:14:12,580 --> 01:14:15,560
it dilutes the meaning of Yam Suph
1555
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,990
and it was given as a boundary of the Promised Land.
1556
01:14:18,990 --> 01:14:20,540
And if it was a generic,
1557
01:14:20,540 --> 01:14:23,900
generalized body of water at any location
1558
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:25,603
that you want to imagine,
1559
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:28,860
it wouldn't make any sense as any kind of
1560
01:14:28,860 --> 01:14:31,083
a boundary for the Promised Land.
1561
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:36,740
Another thing that troubles me about
1562
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:38,740
a shallow water crossing is that
1563
01:14:38,740 --> 01:14:41,840
Moses emphasizes the depth of the sea.
1564
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,250
That's why this step is called Deep Sea.
1565
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:47,360
"And you cast their pursuers
1566
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,783
"into the depths as a stone into mighty waters."
1567
01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:54,420
As I looked at "The Song of the Sea" recorded
1568
01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:56,690
in Exodus chapter 15,
1569
01:14:56,690 --> 01:15:00,620
Moses also mentions heaps of water that were piled up,
1570
01:15:00,620 --> 01:15:04,703
and he calls the water the deeps in the heart of the sea.
1571
01:15:06,730 --> 01:15:08,830
If he is writing an eyewitness account,
1572
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:11,250
then a shallow lake scenario doesn't seem
1573
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:13,600
to match these descriptions.
1574
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,350
And this wasn't the only place.
1575
01:15:16,350 --> 01:15:18,350
The Bible has numerous references
1576
01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:21,960
to the crossing being through deep and mighty waters.
1577
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,360
There are some verses in the Scriptures that says there
1578
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,770
was a great mighty deep sea in Psalms and places like that.
1579
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:30,020
What are your thoughts on that?
1580
01:15:30,020 --> 01:15:31,610
When you look at those verses that talk
1581
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:33,940
about the great depths and sank like a stone,
1582
01:15:33,940 --> 01:15:35,600
those are all in poetry.
1583
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:36,917
So, for example, Exodus 15,
1584
01:15:36,917 --> 01:15:39,460
"The Song of the Sea" and also in Psalms.
1585
01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:44,460
So, in poetry it tends to be metaphor and symbols,
1586
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:46,670
and kind of exaggerate things.
1587
01:15:46,670 --> 01:15:49,440
So, it's not a strict narrative there.
1588
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,460
The thinking is that if it's poetic, it's fictional,
1589
01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:53,750
or it's exaggeration.
1590
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:57,290
Historical truth claims can be made in multiple genres,
1591
01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:59,430
be they narrative or be it poetry.
1592
01:15:59,430 --> 01:16:03,000
And we see both, evidence of both in the Scripture itself.
1593
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,300
Well, I was thinking about the Star Spangled Banner,
1594
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:07,853
which is, talking about a battle.
1595
01:16:08,890 --> 01:16:11,620
"O say can you see, by the dawn's early light.
1596
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:13,280
Bombs bursting in air, yes.
Yes.
1597
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,140
(fireworks blazing)
1598
01:16:16,140 --> 01:16:17,650
When you think about the Star Spangled Banner,
1599
01:16:17,650 --> 01:16:20,910
it's a poetic retelling of an event.
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01:16:20,910 --> 01:16:25,610
And the fact that imagery is used does not diminish
1601
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:30,403
in any way the veracity of the reality that it testifies to.
1602
01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:37,730
The key is identifying that it is the exact same account,
1603
01:16:37,730 --> 01:16:41,480
and the same God that is being described
1604
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:44,120
in Exodus 14 - narrative,
1605
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,597
as in Exodus 15 - poetry.
1606
01:16:46,597 --> 01:16:49,210
(uplifting music)
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01:16:49,210 --> 01:16:52,550
What it describes is a big God who is
1608
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:56,200
orchestrating the very hearts of the Egyptian rulers.
1609
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,047
He foretells, "I'm going to harden their hearts
1610
01:16:59,047 --> 01:17:01,011
"so that they will go into the sea."
1611
01:17:01,011 --> 01:17:01,844
(chariot rumbling)
1612
01:17:01,844 --> 01:17:05,380
He pushes Egypt into the sea.
1613
01:17:05,380 --> 01:17:07,940
He carries Israel through the sea.
1614
01:17:07,940 --> 01:17:10,660
He causes the wind to blow.
1615
01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:12,470
The waters to crash,
1616
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:14,900
decimating the entire Egyptian army.
1617
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:17,150
All of that in the narrative.
1618
01:17:17,150 --> 01:17:18,103
It's not just that wind shows up
1619
01:17:18,103 --> 01:17:20,570
and that's the only miracle.
1620
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:24,797
In Chapter 14 Verse 17 God himself declares,
1621
01:17:24,797 --> 01:17:28,177
"I will get glory over Pharaoh and all
1622
01:17:28,177 --> 01:17:31,880
"of his hosts, his chariots, his horsemen."
1623
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,740
This isn't about wind getting glory.
1624
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:39,210
This is about God getting glory so that everyone will know
1625
01:17:39,210 --> 01:17:41,979
this was indeed about him.
1626
01:17:41,979 --> 01:17:45,283
(ambient music)
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01:17:45,283 --> 01:17:47,990
{\an8}Yet, scholars in the Egyptian approach stress
1628
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:50,890
{\an8}that because Yam Suph means "Sea of Reeds"
1629
01:17:50,890 --> 01:17:54,970
{\an8}the crossing site requires shallow reedy water.
1630
01:17:54,970 --> 01:17:56,730
To have papyrus grow,
1631
01:17:56,730 --> 01:18:00,230
while you can have saltwater or freshwater,
1632
01:18:00,230 --> 01:18:04,190
you have to have shallow, quiet water.
1633
01:18:04,190 --> 01:18:05,300
It has to be...
1634
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:07,350
Calm.
The water has to be calm.
1635
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:09,720
And the water has to be shallow.
1636
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,230
So any of these lakes would fit that.
1637
01:18:13,230 --> 01:18:15,940
But does Suph really mean "reeds",
1638
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:18,180
or even any kind of plant?
1639
01:18:18,180 --> 01:18:21,890
And was there a Hebrew word for "plant", besides "suph"?
1640
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:24,433
Yes, there are.
1641
01:18:24,433 --> 01:18:26,000
Yes, there's a word for "plant" but
1642
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,760
that's in a sense almost not a relevant question,
1643
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,940
because this is an Egyptian word
1644
01:18:31,780 --> 01:18:34,241
and we're in an Egyptian context.
1645
01:18:34,241 --> 01:18:37,060
The first time suph was used in the Bible
1646
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:40,130
was in a passage after Moses was born.
1647
01:18:40,130 --> 01:18:42,200
Most English translations say
1648
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,690
that Moses' mother placed him among the reeds,
1649
01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:47,543
or the suph of the Nile.
1650
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,170
In this passage, Dr. Beitzel believes that the Bible
1651
01:18:52,170 --> 01:18:55,410
is using terms borrowed from the Egyptian language
1652
01:18:55,410 --> 01:18:57,890
and that these Egyptian words determine
1653
01:18:57,890 --> 01:19:01,117
how to interpret the meaning of Suph.
1654
01:19:01,117 --> 01:19:02,327
"And after three months,
1655
01:19:02,327 --> 01:19:03,697
"the daughter of Levi,
1656
01:19:03,697 --> 01:19:06,487
"the mother of Moses was no longer able to hide him.
1657
01:19:06,487 --> 01:19:09,200
"So she got for him a papyrus."
1658
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,690
That word is used only twice in the whole Bible.
1659
01:19:11,690 --> 01:19:14,038
It is an Egyptian loan-word.
1660
01:19:14,038 --> 01:19:16,653
Papyrus is not going to be a Hebrew word.
1661
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:21,330
She made for him a papyrus basket or chest,
1662
01:19:21,330 --> 01:19:22,460
that's used twice here,
1663
01:19:22,460 --> 01:19:24,570
and only one other place in the whole Bible.
1664
01:19:24,570 --> 01:19:26,130
It's an Egyptian loan-word.
1665
01:19:26,130 --> 01:19:27,507
And then it says,
1666
01:19:27,507 --> 01:19:31,707
"She took it and she placed it in the Suph
1667
01:19:31,707 --> 01:19:33,927
"in the reeds or whatever,
1668
01:19:33,927 --> 01:19:36,450
"along the edge of the Nile."
1669
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:38,587
Then we're told the Pharaoh's daughter,
1670
01:19:38,587 --> 01:19:41,047
"saw the basket and chest in the midst
1671
01:19:41,047 --> 01:19:45,040
"of the Suph and she sent her servant girl to get it."
1672
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,240
So in the span of about five verses there,
1673
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:54,240
we have seven different uses of Egyptian loan-words.
1674
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,620
So what you're saying is that the Bible
1675
01:19:57,620 --> 01:20:01,253
in those chapters is borrowing or taking,
1676
01:20:02,110 --> 01:20:03,750
as you call them loan-words or?
1677
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:04,583
These are loan words.
1678
01:20:04,583 --> 01:20:07,430
And what you're suggesting is that the word Suph
1679
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:11,090
is not as much Hebrew as it is Egyptian.
1680
01:20:11,090 --> 01:20:12,450
I don't think it's Hebrew at all.
1681
01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:17,450
And that, the word Suph means "reed", right?
1682
01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:22,850
Yes. And it's embedded in the immediate presence
1683
01:20:22,860 --> 01:20:26,410
of five other technical Egyptian words.
1684
01:20:26,410 --> 01:20:27,360
Okay.
1685
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,410
"Sea of Reeds" for the Hebrew Yam Suph
1686
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:33,890
nowadays is a common translation,
1687
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:36,690
but I personally don't think that's accurate.
1688
01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:38,400
It is not the translation
1689
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,100
that was preferred in the ancient world,
1690
01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:42,420
they translated it as Red Sea,
1691
01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:44,170
not as Sea of Reeds.
1692
01:20:44,170 --> 01:20:47,720
They're trying to connect the route of the Exodus
1693
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,500
and the crossing of the sea to these little lakes
1694
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:56,800
that are on the eastern edge of the Egyptian delta,
1695
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,960
but I just don't think that is what the Bible is saying.
1696
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,220
The question is,
1697
01:21:02,220 --> 01:21:04,580
are the near-Egypt crossing sites
1698
01:21:04,580 --> 01:21:06,760
just the result of Egyptology's
1699
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,750
bias in linking Bible place-names
1700
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:12,750
to Egyptian words and locations?
1701
01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:16,430
For example, the Egyptian place-name "Pa Tufy"
1702
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:17,870
or place of reeds,
1703
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:20,700
was known to exist near the border lakes,
1704
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:24,080
and is thought to connect to the Hebrew name Yam Suph.
1705
01:21:26,020 --> 01:21:29,020
This focus on Egyptian words began
1706
01:21:29,020 --> 01:21:31,530
with the birth of modern Egyptology,
1707
01:21:31,530 --> 01:21:33,820
which in time would be incorporated
1708
01:21:33,820 --> 01:21:36,858
into the Egyptian approach to the Exodus.
1709
01:21:36,858 --> 01:21:39,441
(upbeat music)
1710
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:43,810
It started in 1798 when Napoleon
1711
01:21:43,810 --> 01:21:46,710
and his French army campaigned in Egypt,
1712
01:21:46,710 --> 01:21:49,893
sparking a fascination with all things Egyptian.
1713
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:52,930
During that expedition,
1714
01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:55,623
the famous Rosetta Stone was discovered.
1715
01:21:57,730 --> 01:22:01,490
On my trip in 2002, Dr. Möller and I stopped
1716
01:22:01,490 --> 01:22:04,140
to film the stone at the British Museum,
1717
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:07,443
because it was the foundation of modern Egyptology.
1718
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:12,910
{\an8}This is the very old Rosetta Stone that was found
1719
01:22:12,910 --> 01:22:16,506
{\an8}in the Nile Delta in 1799 by a French officer.
1720
01:22:16,506 --> 01:22:19,506
{\an8}And it was then later brought to the British Museum in 1802.
1721
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,830
This artifact, dated at 196 BC,
1722
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:27,540
recorded the same message in three different scripts,
1723
01:22:27,540 --> 01:22:31,663
Egyptian Hieroglyphics, Egyptian Demotic and Greek.
1724
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:35,410
It took some three decades before they,
1725
01:22:35,410 --> 01:22:39,640
by the use of these two types of hieroglyphs and the Greek,
1726
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,760
to translate the dead ancient Egyptian language.
1727
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,080
And by this stone they got a key
1728
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,040
to get a fuller understanding of all things we know
1729
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,100
of today in ancient Egypt and the history
1730
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:53,050
and the literature.
1731
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:55,300
The Greek writing next
1732
01:22:55,300 --> 01:22:57,130
to the two Egyptian scripts was
1733
01:22:57,130 --> 01:23:00,540
how the code of Egyptian Hieroglyphs was broken,
1734
01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:03,200
flooding the land of Egypt with scholars eager
1735
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,489
to discover the secrets of the Pharaohs.
1736
01:23:05,489 --> 01:23:08,470
(gentle music)
1737
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:10,400
These treasures of Egypt allowed it
1738
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,130
to become the dominant authority
1739
01:23:12,130 --> 01:23:14,150
in the study of ancient history
1740
01:23:14,150 --> 01:23:17,793
and to influence how people viewed the biblical text.
1741
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:23,800
Was there a more Egypt-centric view of the story
1742
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:25,640
because of Egyptology?
1743
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,530
No, I would say absolutely not.
1744
01:23:28,530 --> 01:23:29,830
That doesn't hurt.
1745
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:32,150
But modern Egyptology doesn't give us all
1746
01:23:32,150 --> 01:23:34,480
of those Egyptian loan-words.
1747
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,140
I was just thinking about the connections
1748
01:23:36,140 --> 01:23:39,380
between certain names like 'tufy' and 'suph.'
1749
01:23:39,380 --> 01:23:41,330
Yeah. Those are Egyptian words,
1750
01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:42,850
those are Egyptian loan words,
1751
01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:45,910
but there's no argument against that.
1752
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:50,880
I know of no professionally trained Egyptologist
1753
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:55,120
who has taken another view.
1754
01:23:55,120 --> 01:24:00,120
Gardiner, Simpson, Groll, Kitchen, Bietak and Hoffmeier.
1755
01:24:01,610 --> 01:24:03,960
To me that's very significant.
1756
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,510
But that's my point.
1757
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:07,470
These were all Egyptologists
1758
01:24:07,470 --> 01:24:09,793
with an Egyptian approach to the Exodus.
1759
01:24:10,630 --> 01:24:12,810
I am just asking the question
1760
01:24:12,810 --> 01:24:15,470
have two centuries of Egyptology changed
1761
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:17,483
the way we see the biblical account?
1762
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,993
Because not all agree with Suph's connection to reeds.
1763
01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:26,138
{\an8}(vehicle engine roaring)
1764
01:24:26,138 --> 01:24:28,721
{\an8}(upbeat music)
1765
01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:36,620
I went to Penn State University
1766
01:24:38,350 --> 01:24:39,510
to meet with one of the world's
1767
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:43,170
foremost Egyptologists, Donald Redford.
1768
01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:45,410
The Bible says that the Israelites crossed a sea.
1769
01:24:45,410 --> 01:24:47,880
In Hebrew the name was Yam Suph.
1770
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,560
What would you say Yam Suph was?
1771
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,850
Well, there are several schools of thought about this.
1772
01:24:54,850 --> 01:24:58,590
If you agree, and I don't but many people do
1773
01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:02,030
that Suph, Yam Suph, is "tufy",
1774
01:25:02,030 --> 01:25:04,530
It's an Egyptian word meaning reeds.
1775
01:25:04,530 --> 01:25:07,090
The lake of reeds or the pond of reeds
1776
01:25:07,090 --> 01:25:09,940
is a vast extent of low lying land,
1777
01:25:09,940 --> 01:25:12,240
and it borders on Pi-Ramesses.
1778
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:16,510
But there are others who derive Suph
1779
01:25:16,510 --> 01:25:20,280
from the word for destruction.
1780
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,970
Yam Suph, the Sea of Destruction.
1781
01:25:23,970 --> 01:25:24,990
Really?
Yeah.
1782
01:25:24,990 --> 01:25:26,680
And there is another word
1783
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:31,560
well, from the same root meaning "the end".
1784
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:32,393
The end. Yeah.
1785
01:25:32,393 --> 01:25:35,060
The final part of the sea.
1786
01:25:35,060 --> 01:25:39,870
In Hebrew, we have to remember that words are in families
1787
01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:42,810
and the families are determined by the root verb
1788
01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:45,100
and for Suph the root verb is sapha,
1789
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:48,690
which means to consume, to destroy or perish.
1790
01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:50,767
The idea of an end.
1791
01:25:50,767 --> 01:25:55,767
And of the 101 Suph-like words in the Suph word family,
1792
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:00,039
72 of the verses correspond with the idea of end.
1793
01:26:00,039 --> 01:26:03,137
So it would be Yam "sea" and Suph "end".
1794
01:26:03,137 --> 01:26:05,100
End, very simply.
1795
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:06,710
In Exodus Chapter 2,
1796
01:26:06,710 --> 01:26:10,440
Moses' mother made him a papyrus or reed basket,
1797
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:13,339
but this is a different word than Suph.
1798
01:26:13,339 --> 01:26:15,483
Suph was where his mother placed him.
1799
01:26:16,650 --> 01:26:19,910
In the original Greek Septuagint,
1800
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:23,010
those scholars did not give a vegetation name to Suph,
1801
01:26:23,010 --> 01:26:24,580
they called it elos,
1802
01:26:24,580 --> 01:26:27,460
which can be a pool or ooze.
1803
01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:29,860
Perhaps Suph was referring to the edge,
1804
01:26:29,860 --> 01:26:31,040
the end of the water,
1805
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:32,830
the edge of the shoreline.
1806
01:26:32,830 --> 01:26:35,020
The point here is that Suph does not need
1807
01:26:35,020 --> 01:26:37,880
to have a vegetation definition.
1808
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,600
What I know is that the Israelites journeyed out of Egypt,
1809
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,620
crossed a desert and were told to turn back
1810
01:26:44,620 --> 01:26:48,430
and encamp at the sea called Yam Suph.
1811
01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:50,800
Was this the sea of reeds?
1812
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,320
Was it near Egypt?
1813
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,487
Or was it the Gulf of Aqaba?
1814
01:26:55,487 --> 01:26:57,620
Yam Suph was not the Sea of Reeds
1815
01:26:57,620 --> 01:26:59,450
it was not a weedy sea.
1816
01:26:59,450 --> 01:27:02,660
I believe that Yam Suph meant the sea of the end,
1817
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that means the end or the boundary of the Promised Land.
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(gentle music)
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A lot of energy and work has gone
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into translating Yam Suph.
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None of that matters because we have six Bible verses
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that explicitly call the Gulf of Aqaba, Yam Suph.
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So what that means?
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I don't care how you translate it.
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You can call it the sea of reeds.
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01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,110
You can call this the Red Sea.
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You can call it the blue sea.
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I don't care.
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This is Yam Suph.
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(ambient music)
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The ocean is over there on the left.
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It's Ocean Drive.
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(waves crashing)
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Well the thing about being here at the Atlantic Ocean,
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it's part of the sea and so my mind always wanders
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to the events of the Exodus at the Gulf of Aqaba.
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You see the waves and you see the depth.
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And it must've been a horrific experience
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for the Hebrews to see that body of water
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in front of them with the waves and not have any idea
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01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,053
that it could be supernaturally parted.
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How would it be possible for anyone
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01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:27,823
to cross the Gulf of Aqaba on foot?
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Huge mountains on every side plunging straight down
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to the 6000 foot deep waters of the Rift Valley itself.
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I would tell you, first of all,
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that you're looking in the wrong spot.
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It's simply too deep.
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There is absolutely no way,
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barring a supernatural act,
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that people could have gone across there,
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that that much water could have been moved.
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Dr. Fritz explained to me
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how a crossing at Nuweiba Beach would be possible
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if the water was removed.
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When we look at the structure of the Gulf of Aqaba,
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the distance between the hypothesized crossing point
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and the shore of Arabia is about 9.7 miles.
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The problem is it's about 2,800 feet deep in the middle.
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And that's the big problem.
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I mean, people do not see this as a possibility.
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A lot of people just think this is ridiculous.
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Yeah, it's an impossibility.
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Some investigators have said
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there was a land bridge in here.
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That's not not true.
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There's no land bridge at 2,800 feet under water.
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What there is in the mid point is a plateau
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from north to south.
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Because these areas here are cavernous.
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I mean there--
Yeah, you can see
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this dropping off steeply here,
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dropping off steeply here,
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but there's a plateau that if there
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was a path through the sea at this point,
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the path could be several miles wide
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and still accommodate a footing
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that could be managed by the multitudes.
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I could see that the seafloor off Nuweiba Beach
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was unique in all the Gulf of Aqaba.
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However, David Rohl doesn't see any rational possibility
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for a deep sea parting.
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So my big problem is this business
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of identifying the Gulf of Aqaba as Yam Suph,
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simply because of its depth.
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And we are talking about several
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hundred meters of water here.
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How on earth could that sort
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of water be moved by a strong wind?
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And the Bible tells us it's an east wind.
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Well the question is, is it a physical, naturalistic,
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event that God used nature to do it,
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or was the wind symbolic?
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Why mention the wind?
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If it's not the mechanism for making the dry land?
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Yeah, that's a good question.
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And as I am saying.
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I'm not in a position of having to prove the miracles.
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Okay. That's the job of people who think you can dry
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01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:47,610
a sea like that,
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going down several hundred meters to dry land
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and walk across that and hold
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these enormous heights of water up.
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What could cause that?
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You say a miracle.
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Okay, well give me the evidence that there
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was a miracle performed here.
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What evidence is there?
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Others have different challenges
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to a crossing at places like Nuweiba Beach.
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I met with marine biologist Dr. Robert Carter,
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from Creation Ministries International.
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He has a PhD in coral reef ecology.
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01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:18,760
One of the main problems with Aqaba.
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I don't care how deep the water
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{\an8}is 'cause this is a miracle,
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{\an8}God can do what he wants,
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{\an8}but one of the main problems is the entry and the exit.
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The western side tends to have a more gentle slope,
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but the eastern side has a steeper slope.
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01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:31,840
So maybe, there's a place
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where God could have picked out a path
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where they get to the other side,
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and they could meander back and forth to climb up.
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01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,420
But that's no easy thing.
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We're talking cattle, old people, young people, babies,
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it would be a very difficult trek.
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John Hall, working with the
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Geological Survey of Israel,
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was the first to publish scientific data concerning
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the slope of the underwater plateau.
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01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:56,530
On the north and south of
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this plateau the depths plunge to more than a mile,
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certainly meeting the biblical criterion of a deep sea.
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01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,700
Yet the terrain from shore to shore
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has an average slope of less than 7 degrees.
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01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,853
To put this in perspective,
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a maximum grade on an interstate highway
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is six to seven degrees.
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01:32:18,690 --> 01:32:20,580
The down slope here was six.
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01:32:20,580 --> 01:32:23,040
The up slope here was 7.4.
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01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:27,320
A wheelchair ramp, 7.125 degrees.
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01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,520
These grades seem to be no different
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than the kind of terrain they would have encountered,
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01:32:32,230 --> 01:32:34,930
as they traveled through the wilderness.
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01:32:34,930 --> 01:32:38,280
But what about the slopes at the Straits of Tiran.
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Well, the depths are very forgiving here.
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It goes down to about 300 meters.
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And, it comes back up to about 50 meters, all the way.
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01:32:48,710 --> 01:32:51,650
Eighty percent of the route is under
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01:32:51,650 --> 01:32:55,000
a relatively flat 50 meters below the surface.
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01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,090
And so, there's this little area here
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01:32:57,090 --> 01:32:59,550
of a dip and it's very easy.
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I've looked at the angles and the slopes.
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It's no problem at all.
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01:33:05,650 --> 01:33:08,010
The straits of Tiran are not
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01:33:08,010 --> 01:33:09,970
as deep as these other places,
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01:33:09,970 --> 01:33:11,671
but it's like a rollercoaster ride
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01:33:11,671 --> 01:33:15,538
to get through some of these 30 to 40% slopes
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01:33:15,538 --> 01:33:18,753
that are encountered in the channel area
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01:33:18,753 --> 01:33:20,360
that certainly would not accommodate
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01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,690
any wheeled vehicles like chariots.
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01:33:22,690 --> 01:33:24,630
Either route is really quite simple,
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01:33:24,630 --> 01:33:28,110
the slopes of Tiran in some places
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01:33:28,110 --> 01:33:29,100
could be a little steeper,
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01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:34,020
but remember God prepared for them to make this crossing
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01:33:34,020 --> 01:33:36,473
and he also gave them supernatural help.
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01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,408
As I filmed Möller walking along
1969
01:33:41,408 --> 01:33:43,050
of the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba,
1970
01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:46,040
I was filled with a sense of awe.
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01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,180
If you were to pick a location to part the water,
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01:33:49,180 --> 01:33:50,500
this would have been one of the
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01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:53,762
most spectacular places to do it.
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01:33:53,762 --> 01:33:56,009
(waves crashing)
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01:33:56,009 --> 01:33:58,592
(upbeat music)
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And Moses said to the people,
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01:34:18,487 --> 01:34:21,327
"Fear not, stand firm,
1978
01:34:21,327 --> 01:34:23,467
"and see the salvation of the Lord,
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01:34:23,467 --> 01:34:25,473
"which he will work for you today.
1980
01:34:26,587 --> 01:34:28,627
"For the Egyptians whom you see today,
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01:34:28,627 --> 01:34:30,787
"you shall never see again.
1982
01:34:30,787 --> 01:34:32,857
"The Lord will fight for you,
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01:34:32,857 --> 01:34:35,497
"and you have only to remain silent."
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(upbeat music)
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01:34:43,650 --> 01:34:46,210
Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea,
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01:34:46,210 --> 01:34:47,850
and the Lord drove the sea back
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01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:52,850
by a strong east wind all night and made the sea dry land.
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01:34:52,859 --> 01:34:55,692
(uplifting music)
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The waters were divided.
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01:35:10,710 --> 01:35:11,750
People of Israel went
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01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:14,020
into the midst of the sea on dry ground,
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01:35:14,020 --> 01:35:16,230
the waters being a wall to them
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on their right hand and on their left.
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(uplifting music)
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And the psalmist says,
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"When the waters saw you, Oh God, they were afraid.
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01:35:33,787 --> 01:35:36,927
"Indeed, the deep trembled.
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01:35:36,927 --> 01:35:39,247
"The clouds poured out water.
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01:35:39,247 --> 01:35:42,277
"The crash of your thunder was in the whirlwind.
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"Your lightnings lighted up the world
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"and the earth trembled and shook.
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"Your way was through the sea.
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01:35:50,577 --> 01:35:53,427
"Your path through the great waters.
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"Yet your footprints were unseen."
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01:35:56,072 --> 01:35:58,905
(uplifting music)
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01:36:01,225 --> 01:36:03,808
(upbeat music)
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The Exodus story is a combination of miracles and history.
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Now, the miracles you can't deal
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01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,220
with archaeologically or rationally,
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01:36:16,220 --> 01:36:17,563
because they're miracles.
2011
01:36:18,930 --> 01:36:22,530
I went to Washington DC to talk with Hershel Shanks,
2012
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the founder and editor of Biblical Archaeology Review.
2013
01:36:26,410 --> 01:36:29,790
He is an attorney who became interested in the archaeology
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01:36:29,790 --> 01:36:33,250
and the history of the Bible after visiting Israel,
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the land of his heritage.
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{\an8}Whether the Red Sea parted is a miracle.
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01:36:39,489 --> 01:36:42,083
{\an8}Whether the Ten Plagues happened is a miracle.
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01:36:43,026 --> 01:36:46,370
{\an8}You have one of the plagues was darkness
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01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:50,090
and you had darkness where the Egyptians were
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01:36:50,090 --> 01:36:52,180
and right beside them in a different area
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were the Israelites, and it was light there.
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01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:58,390
Rationally that may not make sense
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01:36:58,390 --> 01:37:00,840
but with miracles you can do anything.
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01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,330
So, you have elements of miracles,
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01:37:03,330 --> 01:37:08,330
and we cannot ask ourselves rationally
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01:37:09,250 --> 01:37:10,691
whether they occurred.
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(ambient music)
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The text describes that the water was as walls
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on each side of the people.
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And we don't know of any scientific explanation,
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or what phenomenon would cause that.
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So we we have no scientific explanation
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01:37:26,380 --> 01:37:28,260
to the separation of water.
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01:37:28,260 --> 01:37:31,930
Dr. Möller may be a scientist but he has given up.
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He has abandoned his scientific investigation at that point
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and he simply asks us to believe that if you believe in God,
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if you believe in the Lord,
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then of course the Lord is capable.
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01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:45,140
But, for a scientist,
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01:37:45,140 --> 01:37:48,306
that's not a scientific explanation.
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{\an8}(gentle music)
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{\an8}To many modern thinkers,
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{\an8}the miracles are just too fantastic to believe.
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{\an8}And then there's the God question
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{\an8}that makes people uncomfortable.
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{\an8}Yet, this seems to me to be the
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{\an8}central question of the whole event.
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{\an8}Does God act in history?
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{\an8}And if so, how?
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(gentle music)
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The modern prejudice against miracles goes back
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to the arguments put forth 300 years ago by David Hume.
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And he says, "Well, given that there is lots
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"and lots of testimony that seas don't part
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01:38:37,527 --> 01:38:39,637
"and dead people don't rise,
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"what kind of evidence would we need to overcome that?
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"What kind of testimony?
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"We would need very very strong testimony.
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"It would need to be recorded at the time by educated,
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"thoughtful people with good character and it would need
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"to be written down right away and so forth."
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So he says,
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"That's what you would need for a miracle
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"but you never get it."
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So basically when people report miracle stories,
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the evidence isn't nearly good enough.
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And on top of that we're gullible.
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Generally people like to hear stories and tell them again
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and people gossip and start passing stories on
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and they get better and better with the telling.
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So miracles probably come from that.
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But, as I listened to Hume's requirements
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for believing a miracle,
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I could see that Moses, in fact,
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fulfilled all the criteria.
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Theologian Dr. Craig Keener, confronted Hume's arguments
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in his two-volume set "Miracles".
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If we talk about Hume for a little bit,
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what was the argument?
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If you had to summarize it in one part,
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{\an8}it would be that uniform human experience
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{\an8}is against miracles or at least against us accepting
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{\an8}that something is a miracle.
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And the problem with that argument
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is that it becomes circular
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when you have testimony of miracles
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and you dismiss it on the basis
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of uniform human experience.
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The question is,
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can science really explain everything.
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In each discipline we need to apply the standard
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of evidence appropriate to that discipline.
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For history or for journalism.
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You can't always experiment on something.
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If somebody died you want to find out how they died,
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you don't kill them again.
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You have to recognize that the testimony
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of a reliable witness is itself evidence.
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(gentle music)
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Philosopher of science, Stephen Meyer,
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received his PhD from Cambridge University.
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He has written numerous books including
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"The Return of the God Hypothesis".
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If God exists, then miracles are entirely possible,
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because there is a God there to act.
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There's no reason to think that
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{\an8}a biblical miracle actually violates the laws of nature.
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{\an8}If I toss this ball in the air and cause it to elevate,
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{\an8}I'm not causing something to happen
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{\an8}that violates the law of gravity.
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Ordinarily we would expect
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that a ball would fall to the earth.
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But if I introduce a contravening force
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and toss the ball in the air,
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I've simply introduced a force in opposition
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to the ordinary force of gravity,
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and therefore caused something unexpected to happen.
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C.S. Lewis also disagreed with the popular view
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that many had taken from Hume,
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that miracles were irrational.
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It is quite inaccurate to say
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that a miracle breaks the laws of nature, it doesn't.
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Indeed, one must believe that nature works according
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to regular laws before you can notice something
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that we are quite unaccustomed to seeing.
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Rule out the supernatural,
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and you will not see miracles.
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Yes the prison that we make for ourselves is thinking
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that matter and what we see is all that exists.
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Just because science doesn't have
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the explanation doesn't mean that there isn't
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an explanation and a logical explanation is
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it was a miracle,
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that there's an intelligence outside
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this universe that helped make that happen.
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If I as an agent can introduce
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an unexpected event into nature,
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then surely God as the ultimate agent,
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who's responsible for the laws of nature themselves,
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is capable of introducing an event,
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which may produce something surprising,
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Professor Garrett normally takes a Hebrew approach
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{\an8}and doesn't have a problem with spectacular miracles,
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{\an8}but when it comes to the parting
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{\an8}of the sea he believes the text emphasizes
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{\an8}the work of natural wind,
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{\an8}which would require shallow water.
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For me, the most important thing
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is the Bible explicitly says there was a natural cause,
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and the natural cause was the east wind that blew all night.
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And so you have to acknowledge
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that the Bible requires a natural cause,
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it was not just that the water stood up supernaturally
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with no physical cause.
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Any wind that would have come
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and performed something like that,
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had to have had some divine guidance.
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And again, we are very uncomfortable with miracles,
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with anything that cannot be explained by science.
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If this is real, if this is true,
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then it's time that we get comfortable with it.
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It was the wind holding the water at bay
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in a way that it wouldn't ordinarily do,
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but which it did do because of God's exercising
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his powers of agency just as you
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and I have powers of agency,
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and can affect unexpected changes in physical systems.
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Verse 21, "Moses stretched out his hand over the sea
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"and it was the Lord
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"who drove back by a strong east wind all night
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"and made the sea dry land."
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Yes, the wind was there.
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He was using it.
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And yet the text is clear.
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Yahweh was at work in pushing back the water.
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It's interesting to see how DeMille reflected
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this thinking with the insights of an old man.
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The wind opened the sea!
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God opened the sea with the blast of his nostrils.
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(upbeat music)
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He was the ultimate mover.
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He was the decisive agent.
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The wind was merely instrumental in his hand.
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(upbeat music)
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The Egyptians pursued
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and went in after them into the midst of the sea,
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all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots and his horsemen.
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(dramatic music)
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And in the morning The Lord said to Moses,
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"Stretch out your hand over the sea,
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"that the water may come back upon the Egyptians,
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"upon their chariots and upon their horsemen."
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And the sea returned and covered the chariots
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and the horsemen of all the host of Pharaoh
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that had followed them into the sea.
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Not one of them remained.
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(orchestral music)
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Thus the Lord saved Israel that day
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from the hand of the Egyptians.
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So the people believed in the Lord
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and in Moses, his servant.
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(orchestral music)
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{\an8}(vehicle engine revving)
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According to the Bible,
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the sea was large enough to destroy
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all of Pharaoh's chariots and army.
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The amount of debris left behind must have been massive.
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Chariots are bristling with weapons, bronze weapons,
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and none of that stuff floats.
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Spear points, arrowheads, ax heads, sword blades.
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(suspenseful music)
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Ever since Ron Wyatt identified Nuweiba beach
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as a potential crossing site,
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divers from around the world have been searching
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for the remains of Pharaoh's army.
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Finding chariots here would be compelling evidence
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for a Deep Sea crossing.
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You bring me up one chariot wheel
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from the bottom of the sea there,
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and I'll be convinced.
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(boat engine revving)
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I traveled to Nuweiba Beach with Möller
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to film divers as they continued to investigate.
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(suspenseful music)
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Could there be evidence
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for a miracle at the bottom of the sea?
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(water splashing)
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It is extremely complicated
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to work in these waters.
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This is no normal dive.
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The search area is massive.
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You are swimming in a politically explosive area
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with four very nervous countries competing
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for territorial control.
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So, what do we look for?
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Circular shapes, 90-degree angles,
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strange patterns and things that seem to be piled
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on top of one another.
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{\an8}One diver described it as if there
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{\an8}had been a massive wreckage,
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{\an8}and all these parts were scattered everywhere,
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with all twisted shapes.
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Things that wouldn't grow in a natural way.
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Some of them are just table coral,
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which the divers are very aware of and dismiss out of hand.
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One particular coral growth caught my eye.
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{\an8}On approaching it I recognized the shape as being
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{\an8}of similar dimensions to one of the chariot cabs
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that we had seen in the Cairo Museum.
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It was heavily encrusted with coral,
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but I actually thought I would try out
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the size of the shape by kneeling in its coralized form.
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(suspenseful music)
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The coral on the object was 10-12 inches.
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More intricate work would not have been there.
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There were parallel struts at the front of the coral growth.
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They're not allowed to take up a single coral
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from the sea at this location.
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It's illegal to do that.
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But the divers did find what they believed were animal
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and human skeletal remains.
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Dr. Möller and I took these samples to Dr. Ebba During
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a Swedish forensic bone expert.
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When we found this we speculated
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that it is rather similar to a human femur.
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I think if you compare those two,
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there are certain likenesses, of course.
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So, I think you have the caput here.
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Yeah.
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Going into the hip bone.
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And, this you have for muscular attachment here.
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Similar to this one here.
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To this one here.
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But, if you follow what we call the diaphysis, like this.
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You can see that they are very much alike,
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and it's sort of a little bent.
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Yeah.
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And that's very, very special for a human femur.
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So, I think it's not a bad likeness.
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But there are questions about
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whether any of the remains could have lasted
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for thirty five hundred years.
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It's actually problematic to think
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that anything would have lasted a long time.
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The bodies would have been rapidly consumed,
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plus bones dissolve in seawater,
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so even if the fish didn't get them,
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the bones would go away.
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But anything made of wood is gonna decompose really rapidly.
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But some people are saying
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that wood has lasted for a long time
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like there's a boat they found in the Sea of Galilee
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that was actually buried in the mud.
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And that's the point.
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It was buried in mud.
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If the wood is exposed,
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it's gonna get consumed.
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If it's buried in mud,
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especially anoxic mud,
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it can last a very long time.
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But if the wood is above the sands, it's gone.
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However, if giant walls of water
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came crashing down on the chariots,
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would the seafloor have been churned up
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covering many of the artifacts?
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Möller suggests that the wood from the wheels disintegrated
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and the coral took its shape,
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perhaps leaving traces of metal
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where it reinforced parts of the wheel.
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If you were searching the seabed
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and searching for man-made objects
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if you get a positive reading from your magnetometer,
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it wouldn't necessarily prove that
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there was a man-made object there because
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there are many natural objects,
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which could set off your magnetometer.
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Where we get our magnets from, of course,
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is from natural deposits of iron ore and magnetite
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and the sea bed is a place where many
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of these compounds do accumulate.
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I think I have probably dived on about 10
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or 12 different trips.
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I understand that within coral there are traces of metal.
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But you can set the frequency of a metal detector so
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that it doesn't pick up traces of those minerals.
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What's really important is the pattern
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of metals found within coral.
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We've come across interesting shaped corals
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and you run a metal detector around it,
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things don't quite add up, you'll move on.
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And you'll find a full circle,
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perfect dimensions, symmetrical.
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Then you'll run a metal detector across it
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and you'll find metal readings
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in just the right places where the hub is,
2336
01:51:47,220 --> 01:51:48,520
where the spokes would be.
2337
01:51:50,260 --> 01:51:52,310
Too much of a coincidence for me, anyway.
2338
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:55,270
Two wheels standing like this,
2339
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:56,760
with an axle in between.
2340
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:58,683
Circular shape, circular shape.
2341
01:52:00,220 --> 01:52:02,010
I mean there are no disputing things like that.
2342
01:52:02,010 --> 01:52:03,570
For certain it's not a coral reef.
2343
01:52:03,570 --> 01:52:05,950
No, it's not natural.
2344
01:52:05,950 --> 01:52:08,680
If you want to find a chariot wheel,
2345
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:09,910
and it looks like a coral,
2346
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:12,110
you have to prove that it's not a coral.
2347
01:52:12,110 --> 01:52:14,650
Because it just looks like the way corals grow.
2348
01:52:14,650 --> 01:52:16,960
Even if a chariot wheel was lying
2349
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:20,760
in the bottom of the sea and it got encrusted in coral,
2350
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:22,890
you wouldn't expect it to maintain that shape over time.
2351
01:52:22,890 --> 01:52:24,360
Because first of all, corals grow.
2352
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:28,110
So, if you had something as being encrusted with coral,
2353
01:52:28,110 --> 01:52:29,480
well the coral is going to keep on growing.
2354
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:30,313
And it's going to all of sudden,
2355
01:52:30,313 --> 01:52:31,530
not look like a wheel anymore.
2356
01:52:31,530 --> 01:52:33,800
There's no telling what shape it would take on.
2357
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:37,440
So something that's 3500 years old wouldn't
2358
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:39,983
still look like a chariot wheel,
2359
01:52:39,983 --> 01:52:41,191
is that what you're saying?
2360
01:52:41,191 --> 01:52:42,260
It shouldn't.
2361
01:52:42,260 --> 01:52:43,710
The only way to do that would be,
2362
01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:46,360
maybe it got encrusted and buried in sand.
2363
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,600
And then, maybe recently go re-exposed again,
2364
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:49,870
but then again,
2365
01:52:49,870 --> 01:52:51,650
you have to scientifically examine these,
2366
01:52:51,650 --> 01:52:52,600
you have to look at each one,
2367
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:54,730
you have to ask good questions.
2368
01:52:54,730 --> 01:52:55,850
You can't just jump in the water,
2369
01:52:55,850 --> 01:52:56,977
and see something round, and say,
2370
01:52:56,977 --> 01:52:58,530
"I see a chariot wheel."
2371
01:52:58,530 --> 01:53:00,180
That's not the way science works.
2372
01:53:01,270 --> 01:53:04,410
What is necessary is a proper investigation
2373
01:53:04,410 --> 01:53:06,390
led by trained archeologists
2374
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:09,810
before any further claims can be advanced.
2375
01:53:09,810 --> 01:53:11,750
The divers and their remote cameras
2376
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:15,400
haven't been able to go deeper than about a hundred meters,
2377
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,983
leaving the vast majority of this area unexplored.
2378
01:53:20,220 --> 01:53:23,960
I wonder what they might discover if they used submarines
2379
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:26,310
to investigate the deep caverns
2380
01:53:26,310 --> 01:53:30,293
on either side of the plateau where coral cannot grow.
2381
01:53:33,710 --> 01:53:35,680
From the beginning of my involvement,
2382
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,920
I had heard about Eric Lembcke finding
2383
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:41,030
a spoked wheel on the seafloor.
2384
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:42,790
His discovery came nine years
2385
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:45,203
after Wyatt had found his golden wheel.
2386
01:53:46,350 --> 01:53:49,570
I was cautious about the report of Eric's find.
2387
01:53:49,570 --> 01:53:52,860
He too had waited over two decades until he found someone
2388
01:53:52,860 --> 01:53:55,690
he felt he could trust with his story.
2389
01:53:55,690 --> 01:53:59,710
This would be his first public retelling of the events.
2390
01:53:59,710 --> 01:54:01,370
Explain to me what happened
2391
01:54:01,370 --> 01:54:02,750
one day when you were diving.
2392
01:54:02,750 --> 01:54:05,650
Sure. That was, like I mentioned before,
2393
01:54:05,650 --> 01:54:07,950
the spring of 1997.
2394
01:54:07,950 --> 01:54:09,520
There were four of us on that trip.
2395
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:13,027
It was myself, Ron Wyatt, Dr. Möller
2396
01:54:13,027 --> 01:54:17,170
and an individual that he brought along by the name of Rory.
2397
01:54:17,170 --> 01:54:18,820
Towards the end of the dive,
2398
01:54:18,820 --> 01:54:20,010
we came back up,
2399
01:54:20,010 --> 01:54:23,440
did our safety stop at 15 feet to decompress.
2400
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:25,180
And once we came to the surface,
2401
01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:27,340
there was only three of us there,
2402
01:54:27,340 --> 01:54:30,520
myself, Ron, and Lennart.
2403
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:31,970
So I said, "Hey, where's Rory?"
2404
01:54:31,970 --> 01:54:35,210
And you could see his bubbles off in the distance,
2405
01:54:35,210 --> 01:54:38,450
trailing deeper where it started to drop off.
2406
01:54:38,450 --> 01:54:39,283
I said, "Listen,
2407
01:54:39,283 --> 01:54:43,097
"If one of us doesn't go back down, something's wrong,
2408
01:54:43,097 --> 01:54:44,730
"he's not going to make it."
2409
01:54:44,730 --> 01:54:48,860
So I submerged and I got down to about 60 to 80 feet.
2410
01:54:48,860 --> 01:54:50,700
And my eye caught something.
2411
01:54:50,700 --> 01:54:52,650
It was circular in nature,
2412
01:54:52,650 --> 01:54:55,600
and you could clearly see the circumference
2413
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:57,460
of a round object, a rim.
2414
01:54:57,460 --> 01:54:59,210
Did you see any spokes?
2415
01:54:59,210 --> 01:55:00,390
Definitely, yeah.
2416
01:55:00,390 --> 01:55:02,550
There was a hub in the center
2417
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:05,210
that was clearly visible and it was roughly about,
2418
01:55:05,210 --> 01:55:10,070
I would describe it as a grapefruit very smooth in nature.
2419
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:13,057
Almost like a grapefruit cut in half like a hub.
2420
01:55:13,057 --> 01:55:15,620
And had you ever seen a chariot wheel before?
2421
01:55:15,620 --> 01:55:18,340
Yeah. I've seen chariot wheels in Cairo Museum,
2422
01:55:18,340 --> 01:55:20,340
I don't know if they're ceremonial in nature,
2423
01:55:20,340 --> 01:55:22,430
but this one was definitely a little bit thicker.
2424
01:55:22,430 --> 01:55:26,890
It was like a dirty bronze color very dark in nature.
2425
01:55:26,890 --> 01:55:29,540
And this was the only time
2426
01:55:29,540 --> 01:55:34,513
that I had seen anything definitive, period,
2427
01:55:34,513 --> 01:55:37,330
that looked and resembled an ancient wheel.
2428
01:55:37,330 --> 01:55:40,317
So what happened then to Rory as he's swimming off?
2429
01:55:41,620 --> 01:55:43,300
I realized at that time,
2430
01:55:43,300 --> 01:55:46,250
my air was getting low and I'm looking off in the distance
2431
01:55:46,250 --> 01:55:48,900
and he's still swimming in a straight line,
2432
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:50,370
going out deeper.
2433
01:55:50,370 --> 01:55:54,750
And I knew at that time that I couldn't catch him
2434
01:55:54,750 --> 01:55:56,480
with the limited air I had left.
2435
01:55:56,480 --> 01:56:00,270
And I literally just start motioning like this underwater.
2436
01:56:00,270 --> 01:56:05,270
All of a sudden, he stops, he spun around,
2437
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:08,240
we caught our eyes.
2438
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:10,297
I said, "look at me," in the goggles.
2439
01:56:10,297 --> 01:56:12,363
And I motioned him, "Come here."
2440
01:56:13,900 --> 01:56:15,900
I pointed like this.
2441
01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:19,010
I was right over the top of it, trying not to move.
2442
01:56:19,010 --> 01:56:21,900
And when his eyes saw it and he looked up,
2443
01:56:21,900 --> 01:56:25,068
they got really big in the goggles.
2444
01:56:25,068 --> 01:56:28,270
{\an8}I lost my octopus, my mouthpiece,
2445
01:56:28,270 --> 01:56:30,900
{\an8}I was so surprised when I saw it so excited.
2446
01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:34,650
His first reaction was to go down to it and grab it,
2447
01:56:34,650 --> 01:56:36,690
like he was trying to pull it off the bottom.
2448
01:56:36,690 --> 01:56:40,630
I could see clearly five of the six spokes,
2449
01:56:40,630 --> 01:56:42,020
as well as the rim,
2450
01:56:42,020 --> 01:56:43,730
at least 75 percent of it.
2451
01:56:43,730 --> 01:56:45,610
The silt was really stirred.
2452
01:56:45,610 --> 01:56:48,010
I was trying to lift the chariot wheel
2453
01:56:48,010 --> 01:56:50,060
but the problem was it was too heavy.
2454
01:56:50,060 --> 01:56:51,530
Now, I was really out of air.
2455
01:56:51,530 --> 01:56:52,683
He gave the dreaded,
2456
01:56:54,220 --> 01:56:55,390
"I'm out of air" symbol.
2457
01:56:55,390 --> 01:56:56,890
And you're 90 feet below?
2458
01:56:56,890 --> 01:56:59,750
Yes. Approximately 90, 95 feet below the surface.
2459
01:56:59,750 --> 01:57:03,740
So I grabbed his vest and held onto it and inflated my BC,
2460
01:57:03,740 --> 01:57:06,310
my buoyancy compensator with as much air as I could
2461
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:08,170
and literally just shot straight
2462
01:57:08,170 --> 01:57:10,620
to the surface like a cork,
2463
01:57:10,620 --> 01:57:14,390
without initiating a safety stop at 15 feet to decompress.
2464
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:17,770
We surfaced just a little bit too quickly
2465
01:57:17,770 --> 01:57:20,300
and as a result of that there was some kind
2466
01:57:20,300 --> 01:57:22,120
of bends that I got.
2467
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:23,320
I mean, that's a very dangerous thing,
2468
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:25,100
but it's all you can do, right?
2469
01:57:25,100 --> 01:57:26,427
Because you're going to run out of oxygen.
2470
01:57:26,427 --> 01:57:29,285
Well yeah, the first reaction is,
2471
01:57:29,285 --> 01:57:31,026
"I got to get to the top."
2472
01:57:31,026 --> 01:57:33,587
Well, we popped to the surface and my first reaction was,
2473
01:57:33,587 --> 01:57:34,827
"Ron, we've got a wheel.
2474
01:57:34,827 --> 01:57:37,280
"I'm not moving from this spot."
2475
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:38,637
And Ron, I remember he said,
2476
01:57:38,637 --> 01:57:40,147
"Well, you may not be moving
2477
01:57:40,147 --> 01:57:42,600
"but the current's moving you, fellow."
2478
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:45,580
And sure enough, we were drifting.
2479
01:57:45,580 --> 01:57:46,413
Because some people would say,
2480
01:57:46,413 --> 01:57:48,370
"Well, why in the world didn't you have a camera?"
2481
01:57:48,370 --> 01:57:49,340
On that last dive,
2482
01:57:49,340 --> 01:57:51,390
I wasn't carrying the camera, Ron was.
2483
01:57:51,390 --> 01:57:52,250
You were carrying the light.
2484
01:57:52,250 --> 01:57:54,410
I had the light, correct.
2485
01:57:54,410 --> 01:57:55,950
Searching for this evidence
2486
01:57:55,950 --> 01:57:58,330
was one reason I traveled to Nuweiba beach
2487
01:57:58,330 --> 01:58:01,850
with Lennart Möller back in 2002.
2488
01:58:01,850 --> 01:58:05,050
Yet after all these years no one has been able
2489
01:58:05,050 --> 01:58:06,533
to relocate the wheel.
2490
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:10,593
All we have are the eyewitness accounts.
2491
01:58:14,210 --> 01:58:18,140
Dr. Jennifer Hall Rivera is a forensic scientist.
2492
01:58:18,140 --> 01:58:20,900
She is a specialist in finger print analysis
2493
01:58:20,900 --> 01:58:23,590
and a former crime scene investigator.
2494
01:58:23,590 --> 01:58:27,880
She is now an author and educator with Answers in Genesis.
2495
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:31,140
How valid is an eyewitness account?
2496
01:58:31,140 --> 01:58:33,190
Eyewitness accounts can be very valid,
2497
01:58:33,190 --> 01:58:34,860
especially when we look at forensic science,
2498
01:58:34,860 --> 01:58:37,270
we will have a lot of circumstantial evidence
2499
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:39,750
{\an8}most of the time, very little direct evidence.
2500
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:41,130
{\an8}So because of that,
2501
01:58:41,130 --> 01:58:43,670
{\an8}a lot of times they're relying on eyewitness testimony
2502
01:58:43,670 --> 01:58:47,440
to help validate all this indirect evidence
2503
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:48,430
that we may have.
2504
01:58:48,430 --> 01:58:50,950
Now eyewitness testimony is very subjective.
2505
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:52,420
If they were just a bystander,
2506
01:58:52,420 --> 01:58:54,010
or were they directly affected by it,
2507
01:58:54,010 --> 01:58:55,860
can affect someone's interpretation.
2508
01:58:55,860 --> 01:58:57,660
But what they have found is that,
2509
01:58:57,660 --> 01:59:01,490
if someone goes through a very traumatic experience,
2510
01:59:01,490 --> 01:59:05,680
especially when a life is involved or something violent,
2511
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:09,230
those accounts that they give are far more accurate,
2512
01:59:09,230 --> 01:59:10,850
because it was so important to them,
2513
01:59:10,850 --> 01:59:12,880
and it was such a stressful situation,
2514
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,990
they're gonna have far more accurate memories.
2515
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:18,670
And that has been backed up by a lot of research.
2516
01:59:18,670 --> 01:59:21,150
And also, as time goes on and we think about
2517
01:59:21,150 --> 01:59:22,670
something that has happened,
2518
01:59:22,670 --> 01:59:24,280
a lot of times our memory actually
2519
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:26,890
and our details actually improve with time
2520
01:59:26,890 --> 01:59:29,510
because we can really process it as well.
2521
01:59:29,510 --> 01:59:31,140
You thought you were going to lose Rory,
2522
01:59:31,140 --> 01:59:33,620
and you could have potentially died yourself.
2523
01:59:33,620 --> 01:59:36,330
Yeah, that's true.
2524
01:59:36,330 --> 01:59:38,810
Then your memories are very vivid.
2525
01:59:38,810 --> 01:59:41,840
The sequence of seeing the wheel,
2526
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:43,870
him coming over, pointing at him,
2527
01:59:43,870 --> 01:59:46,013
watching his eyes just get big,
2528
01:59:46,850 --> 01:59:48,030
grabbing onto it,
2529
01:59:48,030 --> 01:59:49,530
stirring up the silt.
2530
01:59:49,530 --> 01:59:50,920
I'll never forget,
2531
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:54,093
"I'm out of air" sign and that point.
2532
01:59:54,093 --> 01:59:56,320
That part is very, very vivid.
2533
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,380
Now, I love the fact that people are looking
2534
01:59:58,380 --> 02:00:00,080
for these things and I'm hoping some day,
2535
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:01,050
we're actually going to find really
2536
02:00:01,050 --> 02:00:02,930
good evidence of Pharaoh's army,
2537
02:00:02,930 --> 02:00:06,090
but when I look at what's been seen so far,
2538
02:00:06,090 --> 02:00:08,020
I'm a little skeptical.
2539
02:00:08,020 --> 02:00:11,260
The human brain tends to lock on things
2540
02:00:11,260 --> 02:00:13,330
that are weak arguments.
2541
02:00:13,330 --> 02:00:14,540
We all do it all the time.
2542
02:00:14,540 --> 02:00:15,830
Scientists do it.
2543
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:17,180
Non-scientist do it.
2544
02:00:17,180 --> 02:00:19,670
So we all have to be very careful,
2545
02:00:19,670 --> 02:00:22,070
to think very critically through issues.
2546
02:00:22,070 --> 02:00:25,480
So the people who found wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea,
2547
02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:27,010
more than likely they found a coral colony.
2548
02:00:27,010 --> 02:00:28,580
It's not a wheel at all.
2549
02:00:28,580 --> 02:00:29,790
Or they found something modern.
2550
02:00:29,790 --> 02:00:32,700
Those are the first two answers for the question.
2551
02:00:32,700 --> 02:00:35,113
If it's ancient, that's an extraordinary claim.
2552
02:00:36,260 --> 02:00:38,950
So what you're saying it's not wrong to look.
2553
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:42,080
We need to look but we also need to verify.
2554
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:45,490
Be very careful when we draw a conclusion based
2555
02:00:45,490 --> 02:00:47,543
on a little bit of evidence.
2556
02:00:48,810 --> 02:00:51,033
As a strong proponent of this site,
2557
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:56,310
there's so much we have from the biblical narrative
2558
02:00:56,310 --> 02:01:00,140
that if we're trying to find a location
2559
02:01:00,140 --> 02:01:03,360
with a well-preserved army at the bottom of the sea
2560
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:07,803
and we're hoping to recreate chariot parts at every turn,
2561
02:01:09,170 --> 02:01:14,151
I think that really does a disservice to the site and
2562
02:01:14,151 --> 02:01:16,301
to the credibility of it.
2563
02:01:18,173 --> 02:01:20,200
What I find interesting is that,
2564
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:21,280
to my knowledge,
2565
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:23,480
of all the crossing locations
2566
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:26,420
this is the only one where people are searching
2567
02:01:26,420 --> 02:01:28,720
for physical evidence.
2568
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:30,410
It's true that so far,
2569
02:01:30,410 --> 02:01:32,860
none of these finds have been verified as dating
2570
02:01:32,860 --> 02:01:34,553
to the time of the Exodus,
2571
02:01:35,690 --> 02:01:37,410
nor have they brought up anything
2572
02:01:37,410 --> 02:01:40,200
for archaeologists to examine.
2573
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:41,330
But then again,
2574
02:01:41,330 --> 02:01:43,010
none of the other crossing sites
2575
02:01:43,010 --> 02:01:45,514
have verified remains either.
2576
02:01:45,514 --> 02:01:48,514
(suspenseful music)
2577
02:01:52,110 --> 02:01:54,250
Ultimately, finding chariot wheels
2578
02:01:54,250 --> 02:01:57,620
does not determine the nature of this miracle.
2579
02:01:57,620 --> 02:01:59,560
And it's the scale of the miracle
2580
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:02,659
that has fascinated me all these years.
2581
02:02:02,659 --> 02:02:05,242
(upbeat music)
2582
02:02:08,540 --> 02:02:12,670
A miracle is something that God does for us.
2583
02:02:12,670 --> 02:02:14,570
He wants to speak to us.
2584
02:02:14,570 --> 02:02:16,280
He wants to get our attention.
2585
02:02:16,280 --> 02:02:19,800
So when Moses, for example, parted the Red Sea,
2586
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:24,800
it was something that God did to blow their minds.
2587
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:28,040
In Exodus chapter 9 The Lord told Moses to go
2588
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:30,297
to Pharaoh and give him a message.
2589
02:02:30,297 --> 02:02:35,127
"But for this purpose I raised you up.
2590
02:02:35,127 --> 02:02:38,877
"Why? To show you my power
2591
02:02:38,877 --> 02:02:43,877
"so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth."
2592
02:02:44,140 --> 02:02:46,570
That's what God is doing in the Exodus,
2593
02:02:46,570 --> 02:02:50,330
and a natural event would not have accomplished it.
2594
02:02:50,330 --> 02:02:53,330
It needed a divine intrusion to overcome
2595
02:02:53,330 --> 02:02:56,580
the greatest army on the planet.
2596
02:02:56,580 --> 02:03:00,120
So what you're saying is that God was communicating
2597
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:01,960
that this was a big event.
2598
02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:04,130
This was him acting in history.
2599
02:03:04,130 --> 02:03:06,910
That is exactly what he says is the point
2600
02:03:06,910 --> 02:03:09,270
of the Exodus to make much of him.
2601
02:03:09,270 --> 02:03:14,110
And the greater we minimize such a reality
2602
02:03:14,110 --> 02:03:17,360
by viewing it in naturalistic terms,
2603
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:20,350
the more we are minimizing the very glory of God.
2604
02:03:20,350 --> 02:03:22,100
And that's a dangerous thing to do.
2605
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:26,990
It sounds good to say that it must be a sea because,
2606
02:03:26,990 --> 02:03:29,947
I guess, it might somehow you think the miracle
2607
02:03:29,947 --> 02:03:32,790
was a greater miracle if it occurs at the ocean
2608
02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:34,060
or something like that.
2609
02:03:34,060 --> 02:03:37,840
But if one takes a naturalistic view of events here
2610
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:39,993
and attributes those to the Lord,
2611
02:03:41,060 --> 02:03:43,000
because of the fact that it happened
2612
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:44,930
at the right point in time,
2613
02:03:44,930 --> 02:03:47,240
and the right point in space,
2614
02:03:47,240 --> 02:03:49,950
means to me it was a miracle.
2615
02:03:49,950 --> 02:03:52,543
Do you think that it was miraculous?
2616
02:03:53,420 --> 02:03:56,530
Yes, but not in the sense
2617
02:03:56,530 --> 02:04:00,021
that we think of miraculous as in spectacular.
2618
02:04:00,021 --> 02:04:02,357
It's not "Cecil B. DeMille" miraculous.
2619
02:04:02,357 --> 02:04:04,130
These are things we wrestle with,
2620
02:04:04,130 --> 02:04:05,060
I wrestle with them.
2621
02:04:05,060 --> 02:04:06,900
I'm not prepared to jump one way
2622
02:04:06,900 --> 02:04:08,750
or the other on all of these things.
2623
02:04:08,750 --> 02:04:09,933
He could have delivered them
2624
02:04:09,933 --> 02:04:11,940
a thousand other less dramatic ways.
2625
02:04:11,940 --> 02:04:13,255
He chose not to.
2626
02:04:13,255 --> 02:04:14,900
He chose to do it in such a way
2627
02:04:14,900 --> 02:04:16,540
that it was for maximum effect
2628
02:04:16,540 --> 02:04:18,120
that they would never forget it,
2629
02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:20,700
that they would talk about it for millennia
2630
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:24,840
because no one ever parts bodies of water.
2631
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:26,030
It never happens.
2632
02:04:26,030 --> 02:04:27,650
It's like somebody rising from the dead.
2633
02:04:27,650 --> 02:04:28,760
That doesn't happen,
2634
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:30,260
so if it does happen,
2635
02:04:30,260 --> 02:04:32,213
you can be sure it's a miracle.
2636
02:04:32,213 --> 02:04:35,130
(orchestral music)
2637
02:04:37,380 --> 02:04:40,580
During this investigation of the Red Sea Miracle
2638
02:04:40,580 --> 02:04:43,100
I've uncovered six steps for the journey
2639
02:04:43,100 --> 02:04:47,543
from Egypt to Mount Sinai with two main approaches.
2640
02:04:48,500 --> 02:04:51,680
The Egyptian approach puts the sea crossing near Egypt,
2641
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:55,200
and has everything happening on a smaller scale.
2642
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:58,090
It has about 20,000 Israelites crossing
2643
02:04:58,090 --> 02:05:00,860
a small desert within a few days.
2644
02:05:00,860 --> 02:05:03,100
A detour takes them to a dead end at one
2645
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:06,100
of the shallow marsh lakes along the border.
2646
02:05:06,100 --> 02:05:09,370
These locals are supported by connecting place-names
2647
02:05:09,370 --> 02:05:11,940
in the biblical text to Egyptian meanings
2648
02:05:11,940 --> 02:05:15,580
and sites such as the "Sea of Reeds" for Yam Suph.
2649
02:05:16,670 --> 02:05:20,700
Most using this approach favor naturalistic explanations
2650
02:05:20,700 --> 02:05:22,710
for the miracles of Exodus,
2651
02:05:22,710 --> 02:05:26,460
with a natural wind causing the parting of the waters.
2652
02:05:26,460 --> 02:05:28,393
The miracle was in the timing.
2653
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:31,520
The Hebrew approach has everything happening
2654
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:33,360
on a much larger scale,
2655
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:36,000
with millions of Israelites taking many days
2656
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,170
to cross the Desert
2657
02:05:37,170 --> 02:05:39,890
of the Sinai Peninsula before turning,
2658
02:05:39,890 --> 02:05:41,840
to end up trapped between mountains
2659
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:45,423
and the sea at the deep waters of the Gulf of Aqaba.
2660
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:48,750
It maintains that the Egyptian place-names
2661
02:05:48,750 --> 02:05:50,830
don't actually fit the Bible,
2662
02:05:50,830 --> 02:05:54,760
and instead puts more emphasis on the full biblical account
2663
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:58,630
and its descriptions of how and why the events happened.
2664
02:05:58,630 --> 02:06:02,840
It notes that Aqaba is the only sea the Bible directly links
2665
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:05,740
to the Hebrew name Yam Suph.
2666
02:06:05,740 --> 02:06:09,140
{\an8}Many in this group interpret Suph to mean "End"
2667
02:06:09,140 --> 02:06:12,810
{\an8}relating to the end or boundary of the Promised Land
2668
02:06:12,810 --> 02:06:15,700
{\an8}and the end of the Egyptian army.
2669
02:06:15,700 --> 02:06:16,910
In this approach,
2670
02:06:16,910 --> 02:06:20,450
these waters are parted with a spectacular miracle
2671
02:06:20,450 --> 02:06:23,030
that holds up great walls of water.
2672
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:27,244
This is only explainable by the direct intervention of God.
2673
02:06:28,369 --> 02:06:31,240
There are also hybrids of these two approaches.
2674
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:34,340
Some put the crossing on the northern tip of Aqaba,
2675
02:06:34,340 --> 02:06:36,923
but through shallow waters parted naturally.
2676
02:06:39,660 --> 02:06:41,560
I know there are reasons why most people
2677
02:06:41,560 --> 02:06:44,720
today choose the Egyptian approach.
2678
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:47,850
{\an8}But I personally lean towards the Hebrew approach
2679
02:06:47,850 --> 02:06:51,300
{\an8}and its view of the Exodus on a grand scale.
2680
02:06:51,300 --> 02:06:54,373
{\an8}Because I think it matches what the Bible is describing.
2681
02:06:55,330 --> 02:06:58,060
Now, whether God works in spectacular ways
2682
02:06:58,060 --> 02:06:59,870
is an important question.
2683
02:06:59,870 --> 02:07:02,890
Because it impacts how I view God,
2684
02:07:02,890 --> 02:07:05,180
and how I live my life.
2685
02:07:05,180 --> 02:07:06,980
And as I came to discover,
2686
02:07:06,980 --> 02:07:09,593
it's really what this film is about.
2687
02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:13,796
But, do miracles still happen today?
2688
02:07:13,796 --> 02:07:16,796
(suspenseful music)
2689
02:07:21,420 --> 02:07:23,400
I'm here at North Central University
2690
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,910
where my parents met, eventually married,
2691
02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:27,743
and a little while later
2692
02:07:27,743 --> 02:07:30,750
I was born just over there at Swedish Hospital.
2693
02:07:30,750 --> 02:07:32,750
Well, I too would come to North Central,
2694
02:07:32,750 --> 02:07:34,410
and it was during that time that I began
2695
02:07:34,410 --> 02:07:36,480
to have an interest in filmmaking.
2696
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,450
In fact, I believed that someday
2697
02:07:38,450 --> 02:07:40,373
I would have a movie in the theaters.
2698
02:07:41,770 --> 02:07:44,640
{\an8}Forty years later that dream came true.
2699
02:07:44,640 --> 02:07:48,617
{\an8}On January 19, 2015 my first film
2700
02:07:48,617 --> 02:07:52,750
"Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus" was shown nationwide.
2701
02:07:52,750 --> 02:07:55,680
I saw it with my wife Jill, in New York City,
2702
02:07:55,680 --> 02:07:57,763
at a theater in Times Square.
2703
02:07:59,030 --> 02:08:04,030
{\an8}January 19, 2015 was a big day for John Smith as well.
2704
02:08:04,710 --> 02:08:08,410
Because that was the day he drowned.
2705
02:08:08,410 --> 02:08:09,243
It was portrayed in the
2706
02:08:09,243 --> 02:08:13,300
20th Century Fox feature film, "Breakthrough".
2707
02:08:13,300 --> 02:08:15,640
When I heard that he was coming from Missouri
2708
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:17,100
to attend my old college,
2709
02:08:17,100 --> 02:08:20,170
North Central, I decided to contact him.
2710
02:08:20,170 --> 02:08:22,293
There were just too many connections.
2711
02:08:23,230 --> 02:08:24,400
I get a phone call from my mom.
2712
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:25,610
She calls me and she asks
2713
02:08:25,610 --> 02:08:28,240
if I wanna go to the gym that day because it's a holiday.
2714
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:30,580
I said, of course, I love the game of basketball.
2715
02:08:30,580 --> 02:08:33,680
So whatever I can do to play I'll do it.
2716
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:34,930
She said, "I love you."
2717
02:08:34,930 --> 02:08:36,260
I said, "I love you too."
2718
02:08:36,260 --> 02:08:37,140
Eight seconds later,
2719
02:08:37,140 --> 02:08:39,065
all three of us fell through the ice.
2720
02:08:39,065 --> 02:08:42,082
(ice breaks)
2721
02:08:42,082 --> 02:08:45,567
(water splashing)
2722
02:08:45,567 --> 02:08:46,920
Were your lungs filled with water?
2723
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:47,932
When they pulled me out,
2724
02:08:47,932 --> 02:08:49,370
I was a fountain.
2725
02:08:49,370 --> 02:08:52,360
It was coming out of my eyes, my ears, my nose, my mouth.
2726
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:54,630
They rushed me to the hospital and there I laid lifeless
2727
02:08:54,630 --> 02:08:57,010
for over an hour they did everything medically
2728
02:08:57,010 --> 02:08:59,420
and physically possible they could.
2729
02:08:59,420 --> 02:09:02,190
My mom arrived, they rushed her in.
2730
02:09:02,190 --> 02:09:03,777
And Dr. Kent Sutterer said,
2731
02:09:03,777 --> 02:09:05,970
"You can go. You can go talk to him."
2732
02:09:05,970 --> 02:09:09,070
And what's amazing to hear about this unique story
2733
02:09:09,070 --> 02:09:11,290
is that two of the people in there,
2734
02:09:11,290 --> 02:09:13,640
Alex Giddens and Keith Terry,
2735
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,380
they will vouch that when my mom walked in the room,
2736
02:09:16,380 --> 02:09:17,800
not just the atmosphere changed,
2737
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:20,320
but the physical temperature in the room changed.
2738
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:23,050
And when she prayed something rushed up my body
2739
02:09:23,050 --> 02:09:25,920
so powerful that it pushed all three of them back.
2740
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:28,970
Holy Spirit, I need you now.
2741
02:09:28,970 --> 02:09:30,655
I need you now. (whimpering)
2742
02:09:30,655 --> 02:09:33,213
Please don't take my son.
2743
02:09:34,072 --> 02:09:36,155
(crying)
2744
02:09:36,993 --> 02:09:41,370
Please, bring life back into John, please.
2745
02:09:41,370 --> 02:09:42,780
And when she prayed that instant,
2746
02:09:42,780 --> 02:09:46,400
(beep) I got a pulse and everything just turned hectic.
2747
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:48,530
They were transporting me into a helicopter
2748
02:09:48,530 --> 02:09:50,280
to Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital
2749
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:51,120
in the city.
2750
02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:52,930
Dr. Jeremy Garrett who is an expert
2751
02:09:52,930 --> 02:09:54,480
in hypothermia and drowning.
2752
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:55,837
He said, "This is uncharted territory.
2753
02:09:55,837 --> 02:09:57,147
"We've never heard of this.
2754
02:09:57,147 --> 02:10:00,207
"There is a 99% chance that he will not make it overnight
2755
02:10:00,207 --> 02:10:01,770
"and I hope you're prepared for that."
2756
02:10:01,770 --> 02:10:02,810
And that's what he told my mom.
2757
02:10:02,810 --> 02:10:05,257
My mom got up in his face and she pointed at him.
2758
02:10:05,257 --> 02:10:07,917
She said, "You do what you do best.
2759
02:10:07,917 --> 02:10:09,267
"I hear you're the best.
2760
02:10:09,267 --> 02:10:11,280
"My God will do the rest."
2761
02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:13,810
John Smith was clinically dead for 1 hour
2762
02:10:13,810 --> 02:10:17,060
and 8 minutes when his mother prayed for him.
2763
02:10:17,060 --> 02:10:19,770
He fully recovered with no brain damage
2764
02:10:19,770 --> 02:10:23,010
and was medically cleared after 40 days.
2765
02:10:23,010 --> 02:10:26,340
Today, you've got hundreds of millions of people
2766
02:10:26,340 --> 02:10:28,790
who claim to have witnessed miracles.
2767
02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:31,650
Nobody would say that all those were genuine miracles.
2768
02:10:31,650 --> 02:10:36,650
But today I don't think Hume himself would dare start
2769
02:10:37,310 --> 02:10:39,920
with the presumption that we have no
2770
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:42,163
credible eyewitness evidence for miracles.
2771
02:10:43,020 --> 02:10:44,530
He says, "No respectable people."
2772
02:10:44,530 --> 02:10:45,870
We have people with doctorates,
2773
02:10:45,870 --> 02:10:47,253
we have medical doctors,
2774
02:10:48,270 --> 02:10:49,880
doctors of philosophy,
2775
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:51,670
so many people,
2776
02:10:51,670 --> 02:10:54,620
and people actually who are in our academic environment
2777
02:10:54,620 --> 02:10:58,420
are sticking our necks out to talk about this.
2778
02:10:58,420 --> 02:11:01,110
To be able to demonstrate that God,
2779
02:11:01,110 --> 02:11:02,780
from a scientific perspective,
2780
02:11:02,780 --> 02:11:06,810
had done some kind of intervention in human life,
2781
02:11:06,810 --> 02:11:07,710
you would have to be able
2782
02:11:07,710 --> 02:11:11,380
to demonstrate it repeatedly under controlled conditions.
2783
02:11:11,380 --> 02:11:14,260
And that would then convince scientists
2784
02:11:14,260 --> 02:11:16,220
that this was something that was believable
2785
02:11:16,220 --> 02:11:18,310
from a scientific perspective.
2786
02:11:18,310 --> 02:11:21,290
People today, even if they saw miracles,
2787
02:11:21,290 --> 02:11:22,123
some of them are saying,
2788
02:11:22,123 --> 02:11:23,530
"I wouldn't believe in it."
2789
02:11:23,530 --> 02:11:25,327
Yeah. Then they'll say,
2790
02:11:25,327 --> 02:11:27,580
"Give me medical documentation."
2791
02:11:27,580 --> 02:11:30,890
In a number of cases we do have medical documentation.
2792
02:11:30,890 --> 02:11:33,850
And so, what happens when we give the
2793
02:11:33,850 --> 02:11:36,257
medical documentation, some people will say,
2794
02:11:36,257 --> 02:11:39,340
"Well, no, you have to have this happen all the time."
2795
02:11:39,340 --> 02:11:42,340
If it happened all the time when you did a certain thing,
2796
02:11:42,340 --> 02:11:43,173
we would say,
2797
02:11:43,173 --> 02:11:44,690
"Well, that just fits the law of nature."
2798
02:11:44,690 --> 02:11:46,780
It's not a miracle anymore.
2799
02:11:46,780 --> 02:11:48,940
It's amazing, in a world full of chaos,
2800
02:11:48,940 --> 02:11:51,190
the amount of questions we get of
2801
02:11:51,190 --> 02:11:53,306
"Why me and not someone else?"
2802
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:55,780
He gave me a second chance at life.
2803
02:11:55,780 --> 02:11:56,780
I don't deserve it.
2804
02:11:56,780 --> 02:11:59,780
I don't, I wasn't serving the Lord when I drowned,
2805
02:11:59,780 --> 02:12:01,860
and it's a miracle that I'm here.
2806
02:12:01,860 --> 02:12:03,850
How do you answer the question when there are people
2807
02:12:03,850 --> 02:12:06,550
that are praying for a miracle and they don't get one?
2808
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:10,363
Yeah. (sorrowful music)
2809
02:12:12,300 --> 02:12:17,300
Just this past weekend before you filmed me,
2810
02:12:18,740 --> 02:12:20,840
I lost a very good friend, Nabeel Qureshi.
2811
02:12:22,010 --> 02:12:24,576
Thousands of people were praying for him,
2812
02:12:24,576 --> 02:12:26,820
a number of people were fasting.
2813
02:12:26,820 --> 02:12:30,660
If faith could always make something happen,
2814
02:12:30,660 --> 02:12:32,263
Nabeel would still be alive,
2815
02:12:33,460 --> 02:12:35,623
but that's not the way it works.
2816
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:42,080
My wife and I have been through seven miscarriages.
2817
02:12:43,770 --> 02:12:44,840
My wife is from Africa,
2818
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:47,320
it's very important to have a child.
2819
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:49,440
Clearly it doesn't always happen.
2820
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:52,900
It's not like you push a button and it happens.
2821
02:12:52,900 --> 02:12:57,900
This is a relationship with God and God still has the choice
2822
02:12:58,010 --> 02:13:00,113
and God knows more than we do.
2823
02:13:01,386 --> 02:13:04,886
{\an8}(vehicles engine revving)
2824
02:13:07,660 --> 02:13:09,500
I first started asking questions
2825
02:13:09,500 --> 02:13:11,993
about miracles in 2005.
2826
02:13:12,830 --> 02:13:14,270
I went back to the old neighborhood
2827
02:13:14,270 --> 02:13:15,910
where I grew up as a kid,
2828
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:18,200
not far from where I had my first hamburger
2829
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:19,780
at the White Castle.
2830
02:13:19,780 --> 02:13:23,170
It was just across the street from Sears department store
2831
02:13:23,170 --> 02:13:24,853
where my mother often took me.
2832
02:13:26,010 --> 02:13:28,420
Have you ever heard of the story of Moses and the Exodus?
2833
02:13:28,420 --> 02:13:29,597
Yes.
2834
02:13:29,597 --> 02:13:31,940
Do you actually think that miracles happen today?
2835
02:13:31,940 --> 02:13:32,773
Yes, I do.
2836
02:13:32,773 --> 02:13:33,610
Why?
2837
02:13:33,610 --> 02:13:35,707
Because I had two twins about six months ago
2838
02:13:35,707 --> 02:13:38,110
and they were born at 23 weeks,
2839
02:13:38,110 --> 02:13:40,220
and they're breathing right now, they shouldn't be alive.
2840
02:13:40,220 --> 02:13:42,670
And that's a miracle.
And that's a miracle.
2841
02:13:42,670 --> 02:13:45,250
Yes, I believe the Red Sea was parted supernaturally.
2842
02:13:45,250 --> 02:13:46,520
In fact, when I was a kid,
2843
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:50,550
I got into an argument with another child in Sunday school.
2844
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:54,190
And I almost went so far as a challenge him
2845
02:13:54,190 --> 02:13:56,120
to come down to the Mississippi River.
2846
02:13:56,120 --> 02:13:58,330
I'd part it, based on my faith.
2847
02:13:58,330 --> 02:14:02,300
So yeah, that's definitely supernatural.
2848
02:14:02,300 --> 02:14:03,133
Do you actually think
2849
02:14:03,133 --> 02:14:05,180
there's such a thing as miracles?
2850
02:14:05,180 --> 02:14:06,790
Yeah.
Why?
2851
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Because, with miracles there comes hope.
2852
02:14:09,275 --> 02:14:11,991
And there's always room for hope.
2853
02:14:11,991 --> 02:14:14,490
In the last weeks of finishing this film,
2854
02:14:14,490 --> 02:14:16,880
my hometown of Minneapolis erupted
2855
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:20,420
in riots from the tragic death of George Floyd.
2856
02:14:20,420 --> 02:14:22,500
It happened very nearby.
2857
02:14:22,500 --> 02:14:25,450
In fact, at the location of these interviews
2858
02:14:25,450 --> 02:14:27,763
the businesses were burned and destroyed.
2859
02:14:31,060 --> 02:14:35,800
We are at a Red Sea Moment in our history on many levels.
2860
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:39,013
Where everything seems like it could be lost.
2861
02:14:40,380 --> 02:14:42,770
And it's going to require something greater
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02:14:42,770 --> 02:14:46,043
than can be solved at a natural human level.
2863
02:14:47,170 --> 02:14:49,303
Just like with the Israelites.
2864
02:14:50,810 --> 02:14:54,490
Part of the purpose of the Exodus is to give hope
2865
02:14:54,490 --> 02:14:56,850
to a people in desperate need
2866
02:14:56,850 --> 02:14:59,040
of more deliverance because the curse,
2867
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:01,860
even though they're delivered from Egypt, the curse remains.
2868
02:15:01,860 --> 02:15:03,860
And they continue to struggle with sin,
2869
02:15:03,860 --> 02:15:07,160
and the presence of death is always at their doorstep.
2870
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:09,933
If God overcame the greatest enemy,
2871
02:15:11,240 --> 02:15:15,560
will he not also do everything else we need?
2872
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:20,390
This is why the prophets are able to use the Exodus
2873
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:24,810
as a pattern for a greater Exodus.
2874
02:15:24,810 --> 02:15:28,360
They'll talk about a second Exodus that is to come
2875
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:30,230
and they associate that second Exodus
2876
02:15:30,230 --> 02:15:31,760
with the Messiah.
2877
02:15:33,670 --> 02:15:36,060
There are times in all our lives
2878
02:15:36,060 --> 02:15:38,660
when we face a Red Sea moment,
2879
02:15:38,660 --> 02:15:40,890
and we need a miracle.
2880
02:15:40,890 --> 02:15:44,023
I just want to believe they can still happen today.
2881
02:15:46,370 --> 02:15:48,680
I want to have the faith to pray,
2882
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:51,243
believing that God hears me and is able.
2883
02:15:52,110 --> 02:15:54,850
Even if I don't get the answer I expect,
2884
02:15:54,850 --> 02:15:57,057
I don't want to stop asking.
2885
02:15:57,057 --> 02:15:58,670
(ambient music)
2886
02:15:58,670 --> 02:16:02,300
Because some of these problems will only be solved
2887
02:16:02,300 --> 02:16:04,570
with a miracle from God.
2888
02:16:04,570 --> 02:16:07,237
(hopeful music)
2889
02:16:08,688 --> 02:16:11,605
(orchestral music)
2890
02:18:35,550 --> 02:18:39,930
The last step of this pattern is Destination.
2891
02:18:39,930 --> 02:18:42,500
It's where Moses brought the Israelites
2892
02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:47,097
back to worship God and receive the Ten Commandments.
2893
02:18:47,097 --> 02:18:48,660
(gentle music)
2894
02:18:48,660 --> 02:18:50,830
If they crossed here and they will leave Egypt
2895
02:18:50,830 --> 02:18:52,440
on this side and they will enter
2896
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:53,640
into the land of Midian,
2897
02:18:53,640 --> 02:18:55,690
which is called Madjan today in Arabic.
2898
02:18:55,690 --> 02:18:58,560
And they aim for a specific mountain, Mount Sinai.
2899
02:18:58,560 --> 02:18:59,890
Where Moses spent 40 years.
2900
02:18:59,890 --> 02:19:02,810
So somewhere in that region is the mountain.
2901
02:19:02,810 --> 02:19:05,120
Yes, somewhere among these ridges you should look
2902
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:06,960
for the highest mountain.
2903
02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:10,200
Was Mt. Sinai in the Sinai Peninsula
2904
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:13,870
or further east in the ancient land of Midian?
2905
02:19:13,870 --> 02:19:17,154
This is my next challenge.
2906
02:19:17,154 --> 02:19:20,404
(bright upbeat music)
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