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Previously on "The Thing About Pam."
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This time chemo wasn't bad.
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I feel kinda good.
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So what happened to Betsy?
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Some kind of accident or something?
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She's not accidentally dead.
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She's not naturally dead.
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Some lady on Sumac got stabbed,
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20, maybe 60 times.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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He was kinda not nice verbally to her.
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Real aggressive.
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Pam is a good person.
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And I just don't care for his type.
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A grieving family is a family in need,
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and Pam is all helping hands.
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Who would think such a nice lady
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was there to help herself?
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God, such a hassle.
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All those people in your hair
on a day like this.
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You need a pick-me-up.
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Aunt Tammy,
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I've been trying to call my dad all day
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and he's not answering.
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Bet they took his phone.
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Why... why would they take his phone?
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I'm gonna go find him.
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- Sweetie, sweetie.
- Why don't you stay?
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No. He's... he's all alone.
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Two sugars, right?
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I'll just have a little cream. Thanks.
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I wouldn't worry too much about Russ.
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You know, they always
look at the husband first.
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Big surprise.
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You're not surprised they got Russ?
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He could be scary.
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Oh, I know.
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One time he said,
"You women are such asses."
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And I was like, "Excuse me",
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"just trying to get directions
to the house.
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No need for that."
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One time he chased my ex-boyfriend
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out the house with a baseball bat.
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- No.
- Yeah.
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Lord knows Russ isn't perfect,
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but don't go around saying
that the police have got him.
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We just don't need the whole
town talking like he...
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Like he...
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Oh, there will be talk.
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A whole lot of talk
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from some more than others.
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What does a lie look like anyway?
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Is it a line on a graph?
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Did you kill Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Do you know who killed Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Is today December 28th, 2011?
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Yes.
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I think we got what we need.
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I, uh... I...
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I need to see my dad, Russ Faria.
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Um, he's gonna be back there
for a while.
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I wouldn't bother waiting.
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Hi, I'm Russ Faria's daughter.
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I'm looking for my dad and...
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Got the results of your polygraph back.
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Whoo.
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You failed.
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Epically. 100%.
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I did?
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You may as well confess,
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make everything easier on yourself.
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I don't even know why I'm here.
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Well, I guess
this is gonna take a while.
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All right, Russ.
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Let's go over this one more time.
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Can a lie be detected by a machine
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or squeezed out under pressure?
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It's been 24 hours.
You have to let him go.
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And get us something we can use
to bring him back for good.
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Can a lie sneak into
our lives like a Trojan horse
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without us even knowing it's there?
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Or is a lie more like a virus
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spread through the air
from one person to the next?
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So I was at Betsy's mom's
and Russ wasn't around.
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So they must still be holding him.
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You know what that means.
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We're looking closely at him.
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You really think he did it.
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The DA told my mom
everything points to Russ.
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- Mm-hmm.
- How 'bout that 911 call?
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Crying like a baby.
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I mean, I could act better than that
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and I'm only second semester theater.
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Listen, Janet. I apologize.
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We don't have enough to charge him yet,
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but the detectives are close.
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You get him, Ms. Askey.
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I'm not sure what you mean
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you don't have enough to charge him.
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Uh...
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I need probable cause for the judge.
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So like, a witness, evidence,
stuff like that?
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Yeah, stuff like that.
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Uh, listen, Janet,
you will be the first person
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to find out when we make the arrest.
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And again, I am so sorry, okay?
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Bye now.
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Sorry, but she's wrong.
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Why would the police lie?
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He's out now though, right?
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Whoa. Whoa, whoa.
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- Oh, I am...
- I mean...
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I'm sorry, sweetheart.
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You can't see Russ anymore.
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That's not a good idea.
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I can't see my dad?
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And I'll never see my mom again.
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So what, you're just gonna
make me like... like an orphan?
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Well, he's not your real dad.
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He's the only dad I ever knew.
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Well, you got your grandmother.
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She was tired.
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You just let her leave.
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She should have stayed with us.
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I know sweetie.
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I... I didn't get my hug.
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Can a lie be folded into a hug...
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Even from the ones you trust?
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- Hello?
- Hey.
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Um, a detective called
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and he wants to come by and talk to me.
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- When?
- Couple days.
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Could you make it any sooner?
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Well, we have that
big mold inspection tomorrow.
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We'll reschedule it, Mark.
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Pretty sure the police need our help.
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Back in 2007,
Betsy's light shined on Pam.
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They were friends, good friends.
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Pam even asked Betsy
to DJ her daughter's wedding.
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Hey, Travis!
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Travis!
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Come "Hokey Pokey" with your mom!
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Boo!
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Can we get the bride up in here?
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- Yay!
- Yeah, Sarah!
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Everybody, backside!
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Pam took pride in
making all the right moves.
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A purposeful choreography through life.
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Look at that mama of the bride!
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Who knew she could get down like this?
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Well, Sarah didn't.
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She didn't want me to pay you, Bets.
She said we could just use an iPod.
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Mom!
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Well, happy to give you the friend rate.
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No, no, no. You get full pay.
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I was telling her, Bets needs the work.
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Pam, why don't you just
go ahead and give me the mic.
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I'm so sorry, Betsy.
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For what? I'm paying
for this whole shebang.
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Hey, you know what?
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I'm so happy to be here.
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We're having a good time.
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This... this gig's on me.
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No. Really? No charge?
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No charge.
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Congratulations, Sarah.
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Okay, everybody. Here we go.
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Put your whole self in.
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They say when someone
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shows you who they are,
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believe it.
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But would Lincoln County
detectives see Pam
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and believe her?
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You boys want a cookie?
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I'm baking up a storm for the holidays.
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- I don't mind if I do.
- Oh.
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No need to take up
any of your time, Mrs. Hupp.
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We only need to talk to your husband.
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Sure. No problem.
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Okay, so, Mr. Hupp,
on the night of the 27th,
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- you were at home?
- Yes.
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Oh, you play ball?
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AAA down in Florida.
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Oh.
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- Till he threw out his arm.
- Mm.
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Um...
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hon, why don't you play that
voicemail Betsy left ya?
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Happy Christmas, Mark. Hope you're good.
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Thanks for loaning me Pam.
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So full of life.
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- That was 7:00?
- Mm.
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- Yep, 7:04.
- Mm, mm.
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So I take it you knew Betsy then.
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Through Pam.
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Didn't know Russ though.
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Who did, honestly?
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I've been through how many
of their separations
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and I'm still on the tip
of the iceberg over here.
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And just some of the stuff she'd say.
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Did you guys ever find that letter
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that Betsy was writing?
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- No.
- Oh.
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Some of the officers the other day
seemed really interested.
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Kept asking me.
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Um, it was just some letter or something
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that Bets was gonna email
to tell me about
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something Russ did to her.
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I don't know if she deleted it
or whatever.
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Why would she email it to you
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versus talking to you about it?
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Uh, I mean,
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Betsy emailed all the time.
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You know, she emailed people.
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She'd email about this and that
and just general stuff.
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You know, she loved email.
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Knowing Bets, uh, she probably
got charged to text,
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so that's why email.
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Save the money.
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Got it.
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Do you know what was in this email?
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Russ started playing this game
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of putting a pillow over her face.
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And he'd say this is
what it's gonna feel like
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when you die or whatever. Um,
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I didn't really know the guy,
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but just from what Bets said,
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he seemed sorta...
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- Abusive?
- Real abusive.
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- Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- Yeah.
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And I was like, well, email
it to me. But I never got it.
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And would you be willing
to testify to all this?
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If you think it'd be helpful.
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Tina, call the judge!
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We have our probable cause.
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So you given any more thought
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to your cousin's offer?
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Joel, that's the lawyer,
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he said that you would be the one
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to have to contact him first.
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I don't know.
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Feels like getting a lawyer means
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that I'm somebody
who needs a lawyer, you know?
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I just... I just want to get past this.
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Mom, come on. You can do that later.
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Otherwise, it'll stick.
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Are you gonna do these dishes?
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Sorry, what? Didn't get that.
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Sheriff's Department!
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Russell Faria, you're under arrest
for the murder of Betsy Faria.
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- It's okay.
- No!
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Ah...
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Get up.
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Russ, it's okay!
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I want a lawyer.
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He rolled in from the city,
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a busy man from
a high-rise firm in St. Louis.
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Russ' new lawyer, Joel Schwartz
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was about to encounter...
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Well, he had no idea.
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Green Gables?
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It's not even green.
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Wait, it's not? I Yelped and...
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00:14:50,948 --> 00:14:54,589
And this definitely looked
like the best hotel in town.
268
00:14:54,622 --> 00:14:59,164
Um, but there is a...
A Holiday Inn down the 47.
269
00:14:59,197 --> 00:15:02,170
- Do you want me to check that?
- What color are their gables?
270
00:15:02,203 --> 00:15:04,509
I can check.
271
00:15:04,542 --> 00:15:06,278
Oh, you're kidding.
272
00:15:06,311 --> 00:15:07,648
- Yeah, I'm kidding.
- Oh, right.
273
00:15:07,681 --> 00:15:10,290
It's our first day working together.
You get a pass.
274
00:15:10,315 --> 00:15:12,023
Hey, I just got
a probable cause statement
275
00:15:12,056 --> 00:15:14,595
from the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
276
00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:16,198
Looks like an eight-year-old wrote it.
277
00:15:16,231 --> 00:15:18,570
There's gotta be a more
substantial report coming.
278
00:15:18,603 --> 00:15:21,308
Should we wait before
we sit down with Russell then?
279
00:15:21,341 --> 00:15:23,412
- No. No.
- We've got a guy with a temper,
280
00:15:23,446 --> 00:15:24,682
volatile relationship,
281
00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:26,719
marriage breaking up,
getting back together.
282
00:15:26,753 --> 00:15:30,126
And strangers don't stab
their victims 50 plus times.
283
00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:32,731
So, uh, I take it you've represented
284
00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,704
a lot of guys like Russ then before.
285
00:15:35,737 --> 00:15:36,873
Oh, yeah.
286
00:15:36,906 --> 00:15:40,113
- Oh, yeah, it's kinda my jam.
- Yeah, mine too.
287
00:15:40,146 --> 00:15:42,083
Um, you know, I think so.
288
00:15:42,117 --> 00:15:46,091
Because this is my first murder trial.
289
00:15:46,125 --> 00:15:48,997
In my experience,
the stats aren't wrong.
290
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:50,762
We got the husband of the victim here.
291
00:15:50,787 --> 00:15:52,538
- Right.
- Right?
292
00:16:02,190 --> 00:16:03,492
Hey, Pam, you heard?
293
00:16:03,527 --> 00:16:05,764
Betsy Faria's husband got arrested.
294
00:16:05,797 --> 00:16:07,200
No way.
295
00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:09,404
Mm-hmm. News just said so.
296
00:16:09,437 --> 00:16:11,076
He goes to my sister's church.
297
00:16:11,101 --> 00:16:12,745
Can you believe that?
298
00:16:12,778 --> 00:16:14,481
I guess you never know what's going on
299
00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:16,084
inside other people's houses.
300
00:16:24,702 --> 00:16:26,438
We're here to see Russ Faria.
301
00:16:26,471 --> 00:16:28,743
He's in holding. You
can wait over there.
302
00:16:30,413 --> 00:16:32,150
Hey, excuse me.
303
00:16:33,319 --> 00:16:34,622
You can't go in there.
304
00:16:34,655 --> 00:16:37,761
Why are you talking to my client
after he asked for a lawyer?
305
00:16:37,795 --> 00:16:39,264
Huh?
306
00:16:42,805 --> 00:16:45,577
That's him. That's Joel Schwartz.
307
00:16:45,611 --> 00:16:47,447
I like his style.
308
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,752
He looks like Tom Hanks from "Splash."
309
00:16:49,785 --> 00:16:51,603
How much do you think that haircut cost?
310
00:16:51,628 --> 00:16:54,160
He already put in
a request for evidence.
311
00:16:54,194 --> 00:16:55,797
He's good.
312
00:16:55,831 --> 00:16:59,672
We don't let guys like that
dick us around, Tina.
313
00:17:01,676 --> 00:17:03,780
Thanks for coming.
314
00:17:05,584 --> 00:17:08,222
Yeah, well, we're here
to help you, Russ.
315
00:17:08,255 --> 00:17:10,293
First off, is it true
that you talked to the police
316
00:17:10,326 --> 00:17:12,330
for 24 hours straight?
317
00:17:12,363 --> 00:17:15,236
Yeah.
318
00:17:15,269 --> 00:17:17,508
How much did you tell them?
319
00:17:17,541 --> 00:17:20,479
All of it.
320
00:17:20,514 --> 00:17:22,417
All of what?
321
00:17:22,450 --> 00:17:23,753
The truth.
322
00:17:29,765 --> 00:17:34,174
Am I really going to have
to go in front of a jury
323
00:17:34,207 --> 00:17:36,211
because you two can't get a confession
324
00:17:36,245 --> 00:17:37,615
out of this maniac?
325
00:17:37,648 --> 00:17:38,850
The guy's a good liar.
326
00:17:38,883 --> 00:17:40,787
He's sticking to his Arby's
and game night.
327
00:17:40,821 --> 00:17:42,758
I wish to God
I hadn't gone to game night,
328
00:17:42,791 --> 00:17:44,629
but that's where I was,
329
00:17:44,662 --> 00:17:46,666
so how can everybody think I did this?
330
00:17:46,699 --> 00:17:48,439
It doesn't matter what everyone thinks.
331
00:17:48,464 --> 00:17:51,308
It matters what
the prosecution can prove.
332
00:17:51,341 --> 00:17:53,713
Wait.
333
00:17:53,747 --> 00:17:56,719
Do you think I killed Betsy?
334
00:17:56,753 --> 00:17:58,590
I don't know what I think yet, Russ.
335
00:17:58,623 --> 00:17:59,759
Okay.
336
00:17:59,792 --> 00:18:03,600
But... don't you have to believe me?
337
00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:06,104
Isn't that, like, part of this?
338
00:18:06,138 --> 00:18:09,845
I'm bumping on the same thing you are.
339
00:18:09,879 --> 00:18:13,319
I'm not even sure why we're sitting
here if your alibi checks out.
340
00:18:13,352 --> 00:18:15,222
Talk to my friends then.
341
00:18:18,362 --> 00:18:20,399
That alibi's still tough to get around.
342
00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:23,472
We could widen the net,
look at a few more suspects.
343
00:18:23,506 --> 00:18:24,842
You're the detective,
344
00:18:24,875 --> 00:18:26,345
but just because a pocket square
345
00:18:26,378 --> 00:18:29,652
rolls in from the city
doesn't mean that we're wrong.
346
00:18:29,685 --> 00:18:30,887
So what do we have?
347
00:18:30,921 --> 00:18:32,290
There must've been a cleanup.
348
00:18:32,323 --> 00:18:34,494
There wasn't blood on Russ' clothing?
349
00:18:34,528 --> 00:18:36,198
Not a drop.
350
00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:39,137
Do we have the luminol photos back?
351
00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:43,713
Those would show
if there was blood cleaned up.
352
00:18:43,747 --> 00:18:45,349
Camera malfunctioned.
353
00:18:45,383 --> 00:18:46,586
Photos showed nothing.
354
00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:48,523
Totally blank.
355
00:18:48,556 --> 00:18:51,596
Should we take a look just to be sure?
356
00:18:51,629 --> 00:18:54,182
If he says they're blank, they're blank.
What's the point?
357
00:18:54,207 --> 00:18:56,739
Get over here, McCarrick!
358
00:18:56,773 --> 00:18:58,910
This guy stabbed his wife 57 times
359
00:18:58,943 --> 00:19:00,914
and he didn't do it stark naked
360
00:19:00,947 --> 00:19:02,885
spraying Lysol out of his ass,
361
00:19:02,918 --> 00:19:05,657
so he must've missed a spot.
362
00:19:05,691 --> 00:19:08,663
If you were at game night,
363
00:19:08,697 --> 00:19:10,667
then who took Betsy home?
364
00:19:10,701 --> 00:19:12,303
Her friend, Pam.
365
00:19:12,337 --> 00:19:13,439
Pam.
366
00:19:13,472 --> 00:19:16,178
Why don't you tell me about Pam?
367
00:19:16,211 --> 00:19:17,614
She's...
368
00:19:17,648 --> 00:19:19,184
I don't know.
369
00:19:19,217 --> 00:19:21,188
Nice lady.
370
00:19:21,221 --> 00:19:23,359
"Nice lady."
371
00:19:23,392 --> 00:19:27,568
Okay, and what about
your stepdaughter, Lily?
372
00:19:27,601 --> 00:19:28,927
She got an ex-boyfriend?
373
00:19:28,952 --> 00:19:31,542
Oh, he's a huge tool,
374
00:19:31,576 --> 00:19:34,280
but I don't think he could've done this.
375
00:19:34,314 --> 00:19:35,996
Well, we should still check him out
376
00:19:36,021 --> 00:19:38,994
just to dot the Ts and cross the...
377
00:19:41,867 --> 00:19:43,103
Okay, Russ.
378
00:19:43,136 --> 00:19:45,607
Well, that should be
enough for us to start.
379
00:19:45,641 --> 00:19:48,948
Whoa. What happens now?
380
00:19:48,981 --> 00:19:50,985
Well, you'll be held until trial.
381
00:19:51,019 --> 00:19:54,692
You mean in jail?
382
00:19:59,535 --> 00:20:02,541
Nate and I are gonna
sort this out, okay?
383
00:20:02,574 --> 00:20:04,947
In the meantime, you do not
talk to the police without me,
384
00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:07,217
you understand?
385
00:20:17,071 --> 00:20:18,473
Why would he ask us
386
00:20:18,506 --> 00:20:20,143
to interview five independent witnesses?
387
00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:22,749
That's just gonna make him look bad.
388
00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,153
I'm sorry.
389
00:20:25,187 --> 00:20:27,208
I'm still trying to pick up
on your social cues.
390
00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:28,259
What's the sign?
391
00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:30,064
I've represented a lot of guilty people,
392
00:20:30,089 --> 00:20:32,134
but it's the innocent ones
that keep me up at night.
393
00:20:32,167 --> 00:20:34,605
Wait, you think that he didn't do this?
394
00:20:38,146 --> 00:20:40,918
I guess the pressure's on now.
395
00:20:43,289 --> 00:20:45,895
If the clothes he was wearing
don't have blood on them,
396
00:20:45,928 --> 00:20:48,934
then he must've changed, washed up.
397
00:20:48,968 --> 00:20:50,504
Was there blood in the bathroom?
398
00:20:50,537 --> 00:20:52,574
Did you take apart the shower?
399
00:20:52,608 --> 00:20:53,811
Morning, Leah.
400
00:20:53,844 --> 00:20:56,149
You guys are just sitting
around sucking on your thumbs
401
00:20:56,182 --> 00:20:58,398
and you have no confession,
which means you've just laid
402
00:20:58,423 --> 00:21:01,125
ten times the amount of work at my feet.
403
00:21:01,159 --> 00:21:03,798
You were just elected DA,
what, a month ago?
404
00:21:03,831 --> 00:21:06,082
It shows.
405
00:21:06,107 --> 00:21:07,995
I thought you were excited
about the big case.
406
00:21:08,020 --> 00:21:09,608
Well, not if I'm gonna lose.
407
00:21:09,642 --> 00:21:11,612
I have to show people
why they elected me.
408
00:21:11,646 --> 00:21:14,886
Maybe someone could do
a test drive from Arby's.
409
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,757
I saw the receipt. It's timestamped.
410
00:21:16,790 --> 00:21:20,163
Thank you, Tina, who is not a detective.
411
00:21:20,197 --> 00:21:22,701
How could we ever show
that it was possible
412
00:21:22,735 --> 00:21:26,075
for Russ to get home from
Arby's in time to kill Betsy?
413
00:21:26,109 --> 00:21:27,812
He must've gone over the speed limit.
414
00:21:27,846 --> 00:21:29,081
I'll take care of it.
415
00:21:29,115 --> 00:21:32,121
Now, you two, please
take apart the house
416
00:21:32,154 --> 00:21:34,158
and find me the blood.
417
00:21:36,964 --> 00:21:38,199
11:41 a. m.
418
00:21:38,233 --> 00:21:40,203
Detective Brian McCarrick here.
419
00:21:40,237 --> 00:21:42,641
Leaving Arby's
en route to 130 Sumac Drive.
420
00:22:09,863 --> 00:22:10,998
Boom!
421
00:22:11,032 --> 00:22:12,234
Plenty of time to kill you.
422
00:22:12,267 --> 00:22:13,871
Yah!
423
00:22:15,975 --> 00:22:18,213
What the friggin' hell?
424
00:22:19,115 --> 00:22:21,854
Ugh!
425
00:22:21,887 --> 00:22:24,860
The entire floor stinks like that?
426
00:22:24,893 --> 00:22:28,299
- Mold. It's bad.
- Ugh.
427
00:22:28,333 --> 00:22:31,774
We might have to dip into
the Florida money.
428
00:22:31,807 --> 00:22:33,309
It's gone.
429
00:22:35,413 --> 00:22:36,817
All of it?
430
00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:38,686
How'd you think
I paid for that flip house
431
00:22:38,711 --> 00:22:40,194
when we're behind the mortgage here?
432
00:22:40,219 --> 00:22:43,696
Well, I... I don't know.
Maybe your disability money.
433
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:47,070
I told you about that
stupid letter I got, Mark.
434
00:22:47,104 --> 00:22:49,141
They said I don't qualify anymore.
435
00:22:50,277 --> 00:22:53,716
But your bad leg.
436
00:22:53,751 --> 00:22:55,855
Tell it to the man.
437
00:23:01,767 --> 00:23:04,705
I'll get us the money.
438
00:23:15,727 --> 00:23:16,763
Hey.
439
00:23:16,797 --> 00:23:19,168
I just got back from seeing
all those gamer guys.
440
00:23:19,201 --> 00:23:21,072
Super sweet group of dudes.
441
00:23:21,105 --> 00:23:24,011
I've got five people
442
00:23:24,044 --> 00:23:26,415
who said that Russ left at 9:00.
443
00:23:26,449 --> 00:23:28,556
Well, you can't be
at game night and the Arby's
444
00:23:28,581 --> 00:23:31,425
at the same time
you're killing your wife.
445
00:23:31,459 --> 00:23:33,243
So I was looking at these autopsy...
446
00:23:33,268 --> 00:23:34,837
Do you mind if I show this to
you while you're eating lunch?
447
00:23:34,862 --> 00:23:35,935
- No.
- Okay.
448
00:23:35,968 --> 00:23:38,741
It looks like there is a bruise
449
00:23:38,774 --> 00:23:40,912
- on Betsy's neck here.
- Mm.
450
00:23:40,945 --> 00:23:42,247
And then it looks like the knife
451
00:23:42,281 --> 00:23:44,819
was stuck into that same spot
452
00:23:44,853 --> 00:23:46,857
after she was dead.
453
00:23:46,890 --> 00:23:49,695
Maybe the bruise means
she was strangled first?
454
00:23:49,728 --> 00:23:52,734
And then put the knife there
to cover up the fingerprints.
455
00:23:52,769 --> 00:23:55,207
Yeah, it's weird.
456
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,779
She has so many stab wounds
on her back, Joel,
457
00:23:57,812 --> 00:24:00,183
but there's no blood on the carpet.
458
00:24:00,217 --> 00:24:01,385
And they're all the same size,
459
00:24:01,419 --> 00:24:04,091
same depth, all made post-mortem.
460
00:24:04,124 --> 00:24:05,795
Methodical, not passionate,
461
00:24:05,828 --> 00:24:07,231
but trying to make it look like that.
462
00:24:07,264 --> 00:24:09,836
Is that the number one
criminal defense attorney
463
00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:11,205
in all of St. Louis?
464
00:24:11,239 --> 00:24:12,876
Number two, actually.
465
00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:14,846
- That's right. Number two.
- Yeah.
466
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,115
And you must be,
467
00:24:16,148 --> 00:24:17,986
let me guess, our district attorney.
468
00:24:18,019 --> 00:24:19,121
You can call me Leah.
469
00:24:19,154 --> 00:24:20,490
- Leah. Oh, Leah...
- Yes.
470
00:24:20,523 --> 00:24:23,096
We still haven't received
our luminol photos
471
00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:24,866
from the crime scene.
472
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:27,471
Photos didn't come out.
There was a camera malfunction.
473
00:24:27,504 --> 00:24:29,678
- Oh, well, that's too bad.
- Yeah.
474
00:24:29,703 --> 00:24:31,153
We're still gonna need to see those.
475
00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:33,751
And the polygraph results too.
476
00:24:33,784 --> 00:24:35,955
Photos and polygraph coming right up.
477
00:24:35,988 --> 00:24:37,491
Okay.
478
00:24:37,524 --> 00:24:40,497
Hey, Danny, this one's on me.
479
00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:43,102
They're guests in our town.
480
00:24:43,136 --> 00:24:44,238
Night, boys.
481
00:24:44,271 --> 00:24:46,810
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
482
00:24:48,046 --> 00:24:49,381
- Uh...
- Oh, boy.
483
00:24:49,415 --> 00:24:51,827
Okay, okay. What's next?
484
00:24:51,852 --> 00:24:53,911
- Let's go to motive to kill.
- All right.
485
00:24:53,936 --> 00:24:56,779
So based on the detectives' interviews,
486
00:24:56,804 --> 00:24:58,395
it seems like
they're gonna go with the fact
487
00:24:58,420 --> 00:25:00,337
that Russ was this rage monster
who snapped...
488
00:25:00,370 --> 00:25:02,507
Askey will go with
that, sure, but if she's smart,
489
00:25:02,541 --> 00:25:04,245
she'll pile on a bunch of other reasons.
490
00:25:04,278 --> 00:25:05,675
Or it could be insurance.
491
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,478
Do you want me to check to see
if Betsy had a policy?
492
00:25:07,503 --> 00:25:08,954
She was terminally ill.
493
00:25:08,996 --> 00:25:10,265
I mean, if he was gonna
kill her for the money,
494
00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:13,764
why wouldn't he just wait
a couple of months?
495
00:25:13,797 --> 00:25:18,570
What about SODDIs?
"Some other dude did it."
496
00:25:19,943 --> 00:25:21,145
- Oh.
- Yeah.
497
00:25:22,815 --> 00:25:24,819
I just went through 500 pages
498
00:25:24,853 --> 00:25:28,159
of the daughter's boyfriend's
text messages.
499
00:25:28,192 --> 00:25:29,863
- And?
- I wouldn't date the guy,
500
00:25:29,896 --> 00:25:32,301
but he didn't kill Betsy.
501
00:25:32,334 --> 00:25:35,006
What about that Pam lady?
502
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,411
I mean, she was the last one
to see Betsy alive.
503
00:25:37,444 --> 00:25:39,014
We definitely need
to see her cell records.
504
00:25:39,048 --> 00:25:40,417
I have tried.
505
00:25:40,450 --> 00:25:43,022
But the DA doesn't seem
to think that we need them.
506
00:25:43,056 --> 00:25:44,926
Yeah, well, that's because
Pam doesn't fit into
507
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,797
what Askey wants to see.
508
00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:48,166
- That's a good point.
- Right?
509
00:25:55,982 --> 00:25:57,605
I have to go home and tuck in the kids
510
00:25:57,630 --> 00:26:00,290
or Chris will get his panties
in a twist.
511
00:26:00,323 --> 00:26:02,094
Yeah, we wouldn't want that, would we?
512
00:26:02,127 --> 00:26:05,333
Mm-mm.
513
00:26:05,367 --> 00:26:07,304
Well, let's see.
514
00:26:07,337 --> 00:26:10,410
There's the bloody smear
on the light switch.
515
00:26:10,443 --> 00:26:12,447
- Test that against Russ.
- Okay.
516
00:26:12,481 --> 00:26:16,455
And then there's the bloody slippers.
517
00:26:16,489 --> 00:26:18,526
That is a wrinkle.
518
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:20,965
Why would he put his slippers
back in the closet
519
00:26:20,998 --> 00:26:22,534
after he killed her?
520
00:26:22,567 --> 00:26:24,338
And weird that there's blood
on the slippers,
521
00:26:24,371 --> 00:26:26,877
but not on his clothes.
522
00:26:29,148 --> 00:26:32,487
Maybe he did kill her naked.
523
00:26:33,556 --> 00:26:36,295
So test that against Russ. Anyone else?
524
00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:39,601
Why?
525
00:26:39,635 --> 00:26:42,007
It's my first major murder case.
526
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,211
I...
527
00:26:44,244 --> 00:26:47,250
it's a lot.
528
00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:56,744
All right.
529
00:26:56,872 --> 00:26:59,978
Well, if you're leaving,
530
00:27:00,176 --> 00:27:02,915
you should probably
take a look at that first.
531
00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:13,136
Pam was always working on something
532
00:27:13,169 --> 00:27:16,108
as she worked her way to the top.
533
00:27:21,953 --> 00:27:23,656
Hello?
534
00:27:23,689 --> 00:27:25,627
Yeah, that's me.
535
00:27:27,515 --> 00:27:30,888
Yeah, I could do that.
536
00:27:31,439 --> 00:27:33,944
See you then.
537
00:27:33,977 --> 00:27:35,948
Mm-hmm.
538
00:27:38,619 --> 00:27:41,559
The DA wants to talk to me.
539
00:27:41,592 --> 00:27:43,196
Again?
540
00:27:43,229 --> 00:27:45,600
No, Travis, try and keep up.
541
00:27:45,633 --> 00:27:48,639
That was the cops I talked to last time.
542
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:52,114
This is the DA.
543
00:27:52,147 --> 00:27:55,186
Just now, she had a story to tell
544
00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:59,361
and just the right person to tell it to.
545
00:28:12,755 --> 00:28:14,658
Joel.
546
00:28:14,691 --> 00:28:16,128
I like your pocket square.
547
00:28:16,162 --> 00:28:17,795
There's not many men that can pull off
548
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:20,277
a pink pocket square.
549
00:28:20,303 --> 00:28:22,541
We're here for Pam Hupp's cell data.
550
00:28:22,574 --> 00:28:24,144
Yeah.
551
00:28:24,178 --> 00:28:26,950
You can go ahead
and analyze the phone anytime.
552
00:28:26,983 --> 00:28:28,719
No, not the phone itself.
553
00:28:28,754 --> 00:28:31,325
The raw data is converted
into a readable map
554
00:28:31,358 --> 00:28:33,964
- for both sides.
- Okay.
555
00:28:33,997 --> 00:28:35,020
Go for it.
556
00:28:35,045 --> 00:28:37,270
The state's analysis center
is the one that makes the map.
557
00:28:37,304 --> 00:28:38,506
And you and I both know
558
00:28:38,539 --> 00:28:40,610
that we don't have access
to those services.
559
00:28:40,643 --> 00:28:43,182
Only you can make that request
to the Sheriff's office.
560
00:28:43,216 --> 00:28:44,384
So how do you suggest
561
00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:47,624
we convert raw cell data on our own?
562
00:28:47,657 --> 00:28:49,127
I don't know, Joel.
563
00:28:49,161 --> 00:28:51,766
Google it?
564
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,102
- Nah.
- No.
565
00:28:53,135 --> 00:28:54,772
No, you'll send me the cell map
566
00:28:54,806 --> 00:28:57,177
- and the luminol photos.
- Which I have been requesting.
567
00:28:57,202 --> 00:28:59,346
And the physical evidence and
everything else that you have
568
00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:00,985
because that is how this works.
569
00:29:01,018 --> 00:29:02,621
Right, you old pro.
570
00:29:02,654 --> 00:29:05,126
I'm gonna have Tina
put together a disc for you.
571
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,763
A really nice disc.
572
00:29:06,796 --> 00:29:08,166
Look forward to that.
573
00:29:08,199 --> 00:29:10,136
That was easy.
574
00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:11,605
Thanks for coming all the way down!
575
00:29:13,142 --> 00:29:15,113
What a baby.
576
00:29:30,589 --> 00:29:32,325
Mom would have hated this.
577
00:29:32,547 --> 00:29:34,651
They really tore the place apart.
578
00:29:38,192 --> 00:29:41,198
Um, I'm... I'm just gonna
get my new kitten
579
00:29:41,232 --> 00:29:45,808
and then we can just get out of here.
580
00:30:11,458 --> 00:30:13,596
How can you even look at him?
581
00:30:13,629 --> 00:30:15,166
Just because you don't like him...
582
00:30:15,199 --> 00:30:16,435
He called me the C-word.
583
00:30:16,468 --> 00:30:18,072
'Cause you stole money from Grandma.
584
00:30:18,105 --> 00:30:19,742
Shut up.
585
00:30:19,776 --> 00:30:23,583
- Whatever. Let's just go.
- Come on.
586
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,792
Mom always left those on.
587
00:30:41,886 --> 00:30:44,625
Wait.
588
00:30:44,658 --> 00:30:46,362
It looks like Pam took two showers.
589
00:30:46,395 --> 00:30:48,499
One the night Betsy died,
590
00:30:48,532 --> 00:30:49,769
and one the next morning.
591
00:30:49,802 --> 00:30:50,838
What the hell?
592
00:30:50,871 --> 00:30:53,609
This latest cell phone info
from the prosecution,
593
00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:55,113
it's useless.
594
00:30:55,146 --> 00:30:57,384
This is thousands of pages,
595
00:30:57,417 --> 00:30:59,621
thousands of pages of garbage.
596
00:31:01,558 --> 00:31:03,596
Nothing in this case is easy.
597
00:31:06,803 --> 00:31:09,441
Here they were, together at last.
598
00:31:09,474 --> 00:31:11,478
Pam and Leah Askey,
599
00:31:11,512 --> 00:31:13,649
just two public servants
600
00:31:13,683 --> 00:31:16,388
working for the common good.
601
00:31:16,422 --> 00:31:18,526
- Hi.
- Hi.
602
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,498
Sorry I am such a sweaty Betty.
603
00:31:21,532 --> 00:31:23,502
I came straight from Zumba.
604
00:31:23,536 --> 00:31:25,440
You do Zumba? I do Zumba.
605
00:31:25,473 --> 00:31:27,912
- Tuesday, Thursday.
- I'm Wednesday, Friday.
606
00:31:29,581 --> 00:31:31,853
It is so nice to officially meet you.
607
00:31:31,886 --> 00:31:34,358
- Mm-hmm.
- Have a seat.
608
00:31:34,391 --> 00:31:39,245
You have been through so much.
609
00:31:41,372 --> 00:31:44,746
Joel, look at this.
610
00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:47,818
That's to do with the life insurance.
611
00:31:47,852 --> 00:31:49,024
Oh, Russ,
612
00:31:49,049 --> 00:31:52,394
he was just getting
really creepy, you know?
613
00:31:52,427 --> 00:31:55,934
And... and he was making
her really nervous...
614
00:31:55,968 --> 00:31:57,064
Mm-hmm.
615
00:31:57,089 --> 00:31:58,539
- With the pillow.
- Mm-hmm.
616
00:31:58,572 --> 00:31:59,931
And, you know, she'd turn around
617
00:31:59,956 --> 00:32:02,347
and he'd just be, like, staring at her.
618
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:03,582
Stuff like that.
619
00:32:03,616 --> 00:32:05,420
And four days before he killed her...
620
00:32:05,453 --> 00:32:09,528
Betsy changed the beneficiary
from Russ to Pam.
621
00:32:11,465 --> 00:32:13,703
We got Pam's motive to kill.
622
00:32:13,736 --> 00:32:14,939
SODDI.
623
00:32:18,546 --> 00:32:20,851
This change of beneficiary
thing is really
624
00:32:20,884 --> 00:32:23,689
- gonna help our case.
- Oh, my God.
625
00:32:23,723 --> 00:32:25,593
You think Russ found out about it
626
00:32:25,626 --> 00:32:27,430
and that's what made him snap.
627
00:32:27,464 --> 00:32:28,566
Yep.
628
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:31,705
Betsy took him off the policy
and he killed her in a fit of rage.
629
00:32:31,739 --> 00:32:34,644
- Well, that makes total sense.
- Unfortunately,
630
00:32:34,678 --> 00:32:37,450
Betsy's like a lot of
abused women I've seen,
631
00:32:37,484 --> 00:32:39,688
just trapped in a bad marriage,
632
00:32:39,721 --> 00:32:41,692
trying to make it okay for the kids.
633
00:32:41,725 --> 00:32:43,629
Right. That was the idea.
634
00:32:43,662 --> 00:32:44,866
And everyone knows that
635
00:32:44,899 --> 00:32:46,870
Russ is kinda rough around the edges.
636
00:32:46,903 --> 00:32:49,474
Well, I'm gonna make him pay
for what he's done.
637
00:32:49,508 --> 00:32:53,349
But I need someone who really knows
638
00:32:53,382 --> 00:32:56,622
Betsy and Russ' relationship.
639
00:32:56,655 --> 00:32:58,994
To testify, you mean.
640
00:32:59,027 --> 00:33:01,331
Yeah.
641
00:33:01,365 --> 00:33:04,638
Well, I know everything about it
642
00:33:04,671 --> 00:33:07,243
'cause Betsy told me.
643
00:33:07,277 --> 00:33:09,247
That's great.
644
00:33:09,281 --> 00:33:12,320
Thank you for agreeing to testify.
645
00:33:12,353 --> 00:33:15,259
Sometimes, it's best to let the fish
646
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:18,499
think it's catching you.
647
00:33:18,532 --> 00:33:19,912
I was just trying to help her out.
648
00:33:19,937 --> 00:33:22,507
So when Bets says she wanted
to put my name on policy,
649
00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:25,012
I said, "Whatever you think is best."
650
00:33:25,046 --> 00:33:29,721
She was like, "Well,
anything's better than Russ."
651
00:33:29,756 --> 00:33:31,926
Sometimes you cast so many lines
652
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,030
into that little pond,
653
00:33:34,064 --> 00:33:36,034
it makes a web.
654
00:33:38,072 --> 00:33:40,409
He's not good with money.
655
00:33:40,443 --> 00:33:44,384
Mm. Mm.
656
00:33:44,417 --> 00:33:45,620
I guess Betsy was just like
657
00:33:45,653 --> 00:33:48,292
a lot of women out there, you know?
658
00:33:48,325 --> 00:33:51,365
Just a bad marriage,
659
00:33:51,398 --> 00:33:53,804
trying to take care of the kids.
660
00:33:53,837 --> 00:33:56,608
Mm.
661
00:33:56,642 --> 00:33:58,646
Now that's all on me.
662
00:33:58,679 --> 00:34:01,385
Well, I can sort that out for you.
663
00:34:01,418 --> 00:34:02,554
Oh, no.
664
00:34:02,587 --> 00:34:04,792
- Or... or Tammy can.
- No, I got it.
665
00:34:04,826 --> 00:34:06,562
I can take care of those girls.
666
00:34:06,595 --> 00:34:09,668
Set up a trust for 'em and everything.
667
00:34:09,701 --> 00:34:12,474
I have been
668
00:34:12,507 --> 00:34:17,450
thanking God for you every night, Pam.
669
00:34:17,484 --> 00:34:19,989
Don't thank Him for me yet.
670
00:34:20,022 --> 00:34:24,482
I still gotta testify against Russ.
671
00:34:25,901 --> 00:34:27,003
Well,
672
00:34:27,036 --> 00:34:31,946
Janet was practically
begging me to handle the money.
673
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:35,854
You know what I had to do to get it.
674
00:34:35,888 --> 00:34:37,690
Hell and back.
675
00:34:37,724 --> 00:34:40,329
State Acres has this
new phone tree thing.
676
00:34:40,363 --> 00:34:41,866
When you call, it takes forever.
677
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:44,872
Finally got an old contact
of mine from HQ, Dusty.
678
00:34:44,906 --> 00:34:47,710
Seems like Dusty's got
bumped up through the ranks.
679
00:34:47,745 --> 00:34:49,614
Totally remembered me too.
680
00:34:49,648 --> 00:34:52,308
"Oh, Pam, how you doing? How's Mark?"
681
00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:53,890
- That's good.
- Yeah, so, you know.
682
00:34:53,924 --> 00:34:56,628
I said, "Good. Betsy's dead.
Can I get that money?"
683
00:34:56,662 --> 00:35:00,636
And he pulled the trigger
for me right then.
684
00:35:00,670 --> 00:35:02,473
So you're good?
685
00:35:02,507 --> 00:35:04,578
Yeah.
686
00:35:06,481 --> 00:35:08,085
Don't stress about the house.
687
00:35:08,118 --> 00:35:12,560
Get a whole team out there
to kill that mold.
688
00:35:12,594 --> 00:35:14,999
I'll bet you'll get that facelift
689
00:35:15,032 --> 00:35:17,370
you've been wanting.
690
00:35:17,403 --> 00:35:21,511
Mom, I don't know
what you're even talking about.
691
00:35:21,545 --> 00:35:23,515
Well, your face does.
692
00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:32,133
Oops.
693
00:35:49,467 --> 00:35:53,316
So, um, I was able to run
Pam's record one more time.
694
00:35:53,341 --> 00:35:54,544
Came back clean.
695
00:35:54,578 --> 00:35:56,582
♪ We got a spotless queen ♪
696
00:35:56,615 --> 00:35:57,851
It does sound like she likes to bring on
697
00:35:57,885 --> 00:35:59,588
a lot of lawsuits.
698
00:35:59,621 --> 00:36:01,558
Her neighbors said
Pam talked about suing
699
00:36:01,592 --> 00:36:03,462
the hospital where her son was born
700
00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,801
for giving him cerebral palsy.
701
00:36:05,834 --> 00:36:07,437
Guess that didn't work out.
702
00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:09,207
♪ Hoped to sue for palsy ♪
703
00:36:09,241 --> 00:36:10,978
Then she claimed that a filing cabinet
704
00:36:11,011 --> 00:36:12,982
fell on her head at work.
705
00:36:13,015 --> 00:36:14,618
♪ Well, that's pretty ballsy ♪
706
00:36:16,021 --> 00:36:18,692
♪ Hupp, Hupp, Hupp it up ♪
707
00:36:18,733 --> 00:36:20,838
- ♪ Hupp, Hupp ♪
- Hey, will you check this out?
708
00:36:25,741 --> 00:36:27,443
Is that Leah Askey?
709
00:36:27,468 --> 00:36:29,014
That is Chris Mennemeyer,
710
00:36:29,047 --> 00:36:31,151
who, by the way,
gave out homemade cookies
711
00:36:31,184 --> 00:36:32,620
when she ran for the judge's seat.
712
00:36:32,654 --> 00:36:35,961
So the judge and Leah Askey
went to high school together?
713
00:36:35,994 --> 00:36:37,730
Should we be worried?
714
00:36:37,765 --> 00:36:39,034
So we had this...
715
00:36:39,067 --> 00:36:40,569
There are a lot of things
716
00:36:40,603 --> 00:36:42,975
you could say about Pam Hupp.
717
00:36:43,008 --> 00:36:44,544
A... a ten-year plan.
718
00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:47,150
One is that she is cooperative.
719
00:36:47,183 --> 00:36:48,853
Well, the ten-year turned to 12,
720
00:36:48,887 --> 00:36:51,491
'cause 2008, the bottom
falls out, hits really hard,
721
00:36:51,525 --> 00:36:54,130
so we flip houses on the side
and got plenty of money.
722
00:36:54,164 --> 00:36:55,990
- Okay. It's...
- And a couple of months ago
723
00:36:56,015 --> 00:36:59,040
um, I had to put my mom
in a home and it's pricey.
724
00:36:59,074 --> 00:37:00,576
You know, my mom's got Alzheimer
725
00:37:00,609 --> 00:37:02,180
- and dementia and all of that.
- Sure.
726
00:37:02,213 --> 00:37:04,250
That's why the insurance money
727
00:37:04,284 --> 00:37:06,188
is just sitting there. I'm too busy.
728
00:37:06,221 --> 00:37:07,609
Of course, I want to set up
that trust though.
729
00:37:07,634 --> 00:37:09,742
- Right, right, right, right.
- So thanks for coming in
730
00:37:09,767 --> 00:37:11,064
to talk about the insurance payout.
731
00:37:11,098 --> 00:37:13,068
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay, the 150,000,
732
00:37:13,102 --> 00:37:15,774
that's in a separate account
than your own.
733
00:37:15,807 --> 00:37:20,767
Uh, it's just sitting
in my checking account.
734
00:37:22,788 --> 00:37:24,892
Okay.
735
00:37:24,925 --> 00:37:27,030
We can go to the computer
and pull it up right now.
736
00:37:27,063 --> 00:37:29,134
No, no, no, no. I...
737
00:37:29,167 --> 00:37:31,004
No, no, I'm just saying,
738
00:37:31,038 --> 00:37:35,146
to me, in my world,
150K is not that much.
739
00:37:35,179 --> 00:37:37,751
And if I really,
I mean, I hate to say it,
740
00:37:37,785 --> 00:37:39,254
but if I wanted the money,
741
00:37:39,287 --> 00:37:43,562
my mom is worth half a million
that I get when she dies.
742
00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,168
So... and I know that that sounds...
743
00:37:46,201 --> 00:37:47,945
That sounds morbid
and stuff like that...
744
00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:49,507
So... but you intend to set up...
745
00:37:49,541 --> 00:37:50,944
I'm her life insurance person.
746
00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:52,013
I know. I know.
747
00:37:52,046 --> 00:37:53,282
But you do intend on
748
00:37:53,315 --> 00:37:55,052
setting up the trust for Betsy's girls.
749
00:37:55,086 --> 00:37:57,090
Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
750
00:37:57,123 --> 00:37:58,960
Just as soon as we flip this house.
751
00:37:58,993 --> 00:38:00,563
'Cause, you know, money's tied up
752
00:38:00,596 --> 00:38:03,102
and I still have physical
problems I see doctors for.
753
00:38:03,135 --> 00:38:04,403
It would be good for you, Pam,
754
00:38:04,428 --> 00:38:06,108
and it'll help our case against Russ
755
00:38:06,141 --> 00:38:08,278
if that money's no longer
in your possession.
756
00:38:08,312 --> 00:38:10,249
How does it help me exactly?
757
00:38:10,282 --> 00:38:11,953
Well, you know, Schwartz,
758
00:38:11,986 --> 00:38:13,905
he might say you had
something to do with the murder
759
00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:16,829
'cause of a... because
of a financial windfall.
760
00:38:20,236 --> 00:38:22,206
Here I am trying to help Betsy's family
761
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,644
on top of my own, and...
762
00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:26,816
What are the possibilities?
I'm sorry for interrupting,
763
00:38:26,849 --> 00:38:29,220
but what are the possibilities
you get this trust set up
764
00:38:29,254 --> 00:38:33,595
for the girls before the trial?
765
00:38:33,629 --> 00:38:35,299
A hundred.
766
00:38:35,332 --> 00:38:39,140
100% it will be set up.
767
00:38:39,174 --> 00:38:42,748
And you'll call me when you do it?
768
00:38:42,781 --> 00:38:44,050
Yeah, I will.
769
00:38:44,084 --> 00:38:48,092
That's Pam, working
toward a common goal...
770
00:38:48,125 --> 00:38:49,627
I will.
771
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:52,600
Even if it'll come back to haunt
772
00:38:52,633 --> 00:38:54,872
the Lincoln County Sheriff's office.
773
00:38:59,314 --> 00:39:01,718
Did Arby's today.
774
00:39:01,753 --> 00:39:03,407
Turns out the timestamp on the receipt
775
00:39:03,432 --> 00:39:06,161
is when the order was placed,
not received.
776
00:39:06,194 --> 00:39:09,701
Well, there you go. That adds at
least five minutes to Russ' drive.
777
00:39:09,734 --> 00:39:10,871
There's no way he could've gotten home
778
00:39:10,904 --> 00:39:12,306
in time to kill Betsy.
779
00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:14,177
Yeah, and I still don't see
any luminol photos
780
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:17,350
in this latest bundle from Askey.
781
00:39:17,383 --> 00:39:19,354
So they found Russ'
bloody slippers in the closet,
782
00:39:19,387 --> 00:39:20,891
but no luminol photos to show
783
00:39:20,924 --> 00:39:22,555
that any bloody footprints
were cleaned up.
784
00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:24,364
Nope.
785
00:39:24,397 --> 00:39:27,336
I've been thinking a lot
about these murder slippers.
786
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:31,144
How they look like
they were dipped in blood.
787
00:39:31,178 --> 00:39:33,783
There's also blood on Betsy's socks.
788
00:39:33,817 --> 00:39:35,887
Like, why is there blood
on Betsy's socks
789
00:39:35,921 --> 00:39:39,027
if all of the blood loss
is around her neck and arms?
790
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:40,663
And the socks are only on halfway,
791
00:39:40,696 --> 00:39:42,901
like someone put them
back on her in a hurry.
792
00:39:42,935 --> 00:39:45,372
They used the sock gloves
793
00:39:45,406 --> 00:39:48,145
to transport the murder slippers?
794
00:39:48,178 --> 00:39:50,015
Yes?
795
00:39:50,049 --> 00:39:51,886
Right? I play it out.
796
00:39:51,919 --> 00:39:54,224
They take the slippers,
they dip 'em in blood.
797
00:39:54,257 --> 00:39:55,894
They get blood on the socks.
798
00:39:55,927 --> 00:39:58,933
They're in a rush.
They hit the bedroom light switch,
799
00:39:58,967 --> 00:40:00,937
which is why it looks
like a bloody smear...
800
00:40:00,971 --> 00:40:04,210
And not a fingerprint.
801
00:40:04,244 --> 00:40:07,683
No fingerprints,
no evidence of a cleanup.
802
00:40:07,717 --> 00:40:09,721
But even if Askey says
those luminol photos
803
00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:11,229
didn't turn out, we still need 'em.
804
00:40:11,254 --> 00:40:12,393
No, I'll stay on her.
805
00:40:12,426 --> 00:40:14,130
And we still need polygraph results too,
806
00:40:14,164 --> 00:40:15,934
if those even exist.
807
00:40:15,967 --> 00:40:17,838
They said... you can't fail
808
00:40:17,871 --> 00:40:20,676
a polygraph 100%, right?
It's not a thing.
809
00:40:20,709 --> 00:40:22,380
Well, they can't use it in court anyway.
810
00:40:22,413 --> 00:40:24,785
And don't forget about
the dozen phone calls
811
00:40:24,818 --> 00:40:26,388
from Pam to Betsy,
812
00:40:26,421 --> 00:40:30,696
but we don't have any records
from Pam's phone, so...
813
00:40:30,729 --> 00:40:32,466
Even without all of that,
814
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,239
we can still prove he got home too late.
815
00:40:35,272 --> 00:40:37,945
Got his alibi.
816
00:40:37,978 --> 00:40:40,182
We got a SODDI.
817
00:40:48,265 --> 00:40:50,904
Hey, Russ. How you doing?
818
00:40:50,937 --> 00:40:52,473
Not great.
819
00:40:52,506 --> 00:40:54,979
I haven't heard from my girls.
820
00:40:55,012 --> 00:40:56,983
I mean, radio silence.
821
00:40:57,016 --> 00:40:59,755
It's not like Mariah.
822
00:40:59,788 --> 00:41:01,893
I just...
823
00:41:01,926 --> 00:41:04,130
I want to make things better, I guess.
824
00:41:04,163 --> 00:41:06,234
Yeah, well, the trial's
right around the corner
825
00:41:06,268 --> 00:41:09,274
and I'm going to make sure
they see the Pam of it. Okay.
826
00:41:09,307 --> 00:41:11,979
And you are gonna get your girls back
827
00:41:12,013 --> 00:41:14,752
because we got one thing
on our side that they don't,
828
00:41:14,785 --> 00:41:18,927
and it's a luxury that
I'm used to working without.
829
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,964
What's that?
830
00:41:20,997 --> 00:41:23,368
The truth.
831
00:41:23,402 --> 00:41:27,009
Ah, truth. A powerful thing.
832
00:41:29,815 --> 00:41:33,923
But can it prevail in
a tight-knit town like Troy?
833
00:41:33,957 --> 00:41:36,227
Schwartz might want to keep
wife killers on the streets,
834
00:41:36,261 --> 00:41:37,831
but by the grace of God,
835
00:41:37,864 --> 00:41:41,037
I am putting this one away. Whoo!
836
00:41:41,071 --> 00:41:42,306
Cheers to you!
837
00:41:53,295 --> 00:41:55,834
Yes. Yes!
838
00:41:55,867 --> 00:41:57,169
Whoo-hoo!
839
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,850
Hey, let's get this hero another shot!
840
00:42:05,887 --> 00:42:07,223
Um, sir?
841
00:42:07,256 --> 00:42:08,960
Another Shirley Temple, sir.
842
00:42:08,993 --> 00:42:10,864
Sir? Hello?
843
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,053
A tight-knit town indeed.
844
00:42:24,608 --> 00:42:28,608
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