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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,234 --> 00:00:03,983 _ 2 00:00:04,008 --> 00:00:05,492 _ 3 00:00:05,934 --> 00:00:08,470 Previously on "The Thing About Pam." 4 00:00:08,829 --> 00:00:10,593 This time chemo wasn't bad. 5 00:00:11,155 --> 00:00:12,491 I feel kinda good. 6 00:00:12,526 --> 00:00:15,063 So what happened to Betsy? 7 00:00:15,097 --> 00:00:17,134 Some kind of accident or something? 8 00:00:17,167 --> 00:00:19,105 She's not accidentally dead. 9 00:00:19,138 --> 00:00:21,042 She's not naturally dead. 10 00:00:21,075 --> 00:00:23,146 Some lady on Sumac got stabbed, 11 00:00:23,179 --> 00:00:25,685 20, maybe 60 times. 12 00:00:25,718 --> 00:00:28,123 Textbook spousal homicide. 13 00:00:28,156 --> 00:00:31,095 He was kinda not nice verbally to her. 14 00:00:31,129 --> 00:00:33,501 Real aggressive. 15 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:35,337 Pam is a good person. 16 00:00:35,370 --> 00:00:38,109 And I just don't care for his type. 17 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:45,290 A grieving family is a family in need, 18 00:00:45,324 --> 00:00:48,631 and Pam is all helping hands. 19 00:00:51,269 --> 00:00:53,741 Who would think such a nice lady 20 00:00:53,774 --> 00:00:56,747 was there to help herself? 21 00:00:56,780 --> 00:00:58,751 God, such a hassle. 22 00:00:58,784 --> 00:01:01,657 All those people in your hair on a day like this. 23 00:01:01,690 --> 00:01:03,594 You need a pick-me-up. 24 00:01:05,130 --> 00:01:06,399 Aunt Tammy, 25 00:01:06,432 --> 00:01:08,270 I've been trying to call my dad all day 26 00:01:08,303 --> 00:01:10,173 and he's not answering. 27 00:01:10,207 --> 00:01:12,746 Bet they took his phone. 28 00:01:12,779 --> 00:01:16,286 Why... why would they take his phone? 29 00:01:17,789 --> 00:01:19,258 I'm gonna go find him. 30 00:01:19,292 --> 00:01:22,197 - Sweetie, sweetie. - Why don't you stay? 31 00:01:22,231 --> 00:01:23,652 No. He's... he's all alone. 32 00:01:23,677 --> 00:01:25,872 Two sugars, right? 33 00:01:25,905 --> 00:01:28,209 I'll just have a little cream. Thanks. 34 00:01:28,243 --> 00:01:29,780 I wouldn't worry too much about Russ. 35 00:01:29,813 --> 00:01:33,583 You know, they always look at the husband first. 36 00:01:34,523 --> 00:01:36,326 Big surprise. 37 00:01:37,361 --> 00:01:39,365 You're not surprised they got Russ? 38 00:01:40,802 --> 00:01:42,672 He could be scary. 39 00:01:42,706 --> 00:01:44,141 Oh, I know. 40 00:01:44,175 --> 00:01:46,577 One time he said, "You women are such asses." 41 00:01:46,602 --> 00:01:48,249 And I was like, "Excuse me", 42 00:01:48,274 --> 00:01:49,975 "just trying to get directions to the house. 43 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,790 No need for that." 44 00:01:51,824 --> 00:01:53,426 One time he chased my ex-boyfriend 45 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:55,898 out the house with a baseball bat. 46 00:01:55,932 --> 00:01:57,502 - No. - Yeah. 47 00:01:57,535 --> 00:01:59,606 Lord knows Russ isn't perfect, 48 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,579 but don't go around saying that the police have got him. 49 00:02:02,612 --> 00:02:06,152 We just don't need the whole town talking like he... 50 00:02:06,185 --> 00:02:09,325 Like he... 51 00:02:09,358 --> 00:02:11,262 Oh, there will be talk. 52 00:02:11,295 --> 00:02:13,333 A whole lot of talk 53 00:02:13,366 --> 00:02:17,141 from some more than others. 54 00:02:24,422 --> 00:02:28,296 What does a lie look like anyway? 55 00:02:28,330 --> 00:02:32,271 Is it a line on a graph? 56 00:02:32,304 --> 00:02:34,943 Did you kill Betsy Faria? 57 00:02:34,976 --> 00:02:37,414 No. 58 00:02:37,448 --> 00:02:41,489 Do you know who killed Betsy Faria? 59 00:02:41,523 --> 00:02:44,863 No. 60 00:02:44,896 --> 00:02:48,269 Is today December 28th, 2011? 61 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,824 Yes. 62 00:02:54,883 --> 00:02:59,760 I think we got what we need. 63 00:03:20,267 --> 00:03:23,674 I, uh... I... 64 00:03:23,708 --> 00:03:26,780 I need to see my dad, Russ Faria. 65 00:03:26,814 --> 00:03:29,418 Um, he's gonna be back there for a while. 66 00:03:29,452 --> 00:03:31,456 I wouldn't bother waiting. 67 00:03:35,698 --> 00:03:37,401 Hi, I'm Russ Faria's daughter. 68 00:03:37,434 --> 00:03:39,639 I'm looking for my dad and... 69 00:03:52,364 --> 00:03:54,803 Got the results of your polygraph back. 70 00:03:54,836 --> 00:03:56,807 Whoo. 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,243 You failed. 72 00:03:58,276 --> 00:04:00,013 Epically. 100%. 73 00:04:00,046 --> 00:04:01,750 I did? 74 00:04:01,784 --> 00:04:03,587 You may as well confess, 75 00:04:03,621 --> 00:04:06,693 make everything easier on yourself. 76 00:04:06,727 --> 00:04:08,931 I don't even know why I'm here. 77 00:04:08,964 --> 00:04:11,737 Well, I guess this is gonna take a while. 78 00:04:32,077 --> 00:04:33,379 All right, Russ. 79 00:04:33,413 --> 00:04:35,484 Let's go over this one more time. 80 00:04:35,518 --> 00:04:38,624 Can a lie be detected by a machine 81 00:04:38,657 --> 00:04:42,364 or squeezed out under pressure? 82 00:04:42,397 --> 00:04:44,936 It's been 24 hours. You have to let him go. 83 00:04:44,970 --> 00:04:48,644 And get us something we can use to bring him back for good. 84 00:04:48,677 --> 00:04:52,852 Can a lie sneak into our lives like a Trojan horse 85 00:04:52,886 --> 00:04:55,892 without us even knowing it's there? 86 00:04:55,925 --> 00:04:58,531 Or is a lie more like a virus 87 00:04:58,564 --> 00:05:02,572 spread through the air from one person to the next? 88 00:05:02,605 --> 00:05:05,745 So I was at Betsy's mom's and Russ wasn't around. 89 00:05:05,778 --> 00:05:08,717 So they must still be holding him. 90 00:05:08,751 --> 00:05:11,389 You know what that means. 91 00:05:11,422 --> 00:05:14,495 We're looking closely at him. 92 00:05:14,529 --> 00:05:16,700 You really think he did it. 93 00:05:19,973 --> 00:05:24,716 The DA told my mom everything points to Russ. 94 00:05:24,749 --> 00:05:27,989 - Mm-hmm. - How 'bout that 911 call? 95 00:05:28,022 --> 00:05:29,458 Crying like a baby. 96 00:05:29,491 --> 00:05:31,478 I mean, I could act better than that 97 00:05:31,503 --> 00:05:34,068 and I'm only second semester theater. 98 00:05:34,803 --> 00:05:37,775 Listen, Janet. I apologize. 99 00:05:37,809 --> 00:05:40,113 We don't have enough to charge him yet, 100 00:05:40,146 --> 00:05:42,785 but the detectives are close. 101 00:05:42,819 --> 00:05:46,459 You get him, Ms. Askey. 102 00:05:46,492 --> 00:05:48,531 I'm not sure what you mean 103 00:05:48,564 --> 00:05:50,835 you don't have enough to charge him. 104 00:05:50,868 --> 00:05:52,404 Uh... 105 00:05:52,437 --> 00:05:55,477 I need probable cause for the judge. 106 00:05:55,511 --> 00:06:00,020 So like, a witness, evidence, stuff like that? 107 00:06:00,053 --> 00:06:01,489 Yeah, stuff like that. 108 00:06:01,523 --> 00:06:03,784 Uh, listen, Janet, you will be the first person 109 00:06:03,809 --> 00:06:05,378 to find out when we make the arrest. 110 00:06:05,403 --> 00:06:07,067 And again, I am so sorry, okay? 111 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:08,704 Bye now. 112 00:06:10,841 --> 00:06:13,046 Sorry, but she's wrong. 113 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:15,885 Why would the police lie? 114 00:06:16,987 --> 00:06:19,458 He's out now though, right? 115 00:06:19,491 --> 00:06:20,695 Whoa. Whoa, whoa. 116 00:06:20,728 --> 00:06:22,164 - Oh, I am... - I mean... 117 00:06:22,197 --> 00:06:25,003 I'm sorry, sweetheart. 118 00:06:25,036 --> 00:06:27,629 You can't see Russ anymore. 119 00:06:27,654 --> 00:06:30,426 That's not a good idea. 120 00:06:32,084 --> 00:06:35,090 I can't see my dad? 121 00:06:35,123 --> 00:06:37,795 And I'll never see my mom again. 122 00:06:37,829 --> 00:06:42,538 So what, you're just gonna make me like... like an orphan? 123 00:06:42,572 --> 00:06:45,010 Well, he's not your real dad. 124 00:06:49,619 --> 00:06:52,090 He's the only dad I ever knew. 125 00:06:52,124 --> 00:06:54,763 Well, you got your grandmother. 126 00:06:59,806 --> 00:07:03,079 She was tired. 127 00:07:03,112 --> 00:07:04,481 You just let her leave. 128 00:07:04,516 --> 00:07:07,889 She should have stayed with us. 129 00:07:07,922 --> 00:07:10,661 I know sweetie. 130 00:07:10,695 --> 00:07:15,296 I... I didn't get my hug. 131 00:07:20,548 --> 00:07:23,486 Can a lie be folded into a hug... 132 00:07:29,733 --> 00:07:34,475 Even from the ones you trust? 133 00:07:37,649 --> 00:07:39,653 - Hello? - Hey. 134 00:07:39,686 --> 00:07:42,892 Um, a detective called 135 00:07:42,925 --> 00:07:44,996 and he wants to come by and talk to me. 136 00:07:45,030 --> 00:07:47,167 - When? - Couple days. 137 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,639 Could you make it any sooner? 138 00:07:49,673 --> 00:07:52,010 Well, we have that big mold inspection tomorrow. 139 00:07:52,044 --> 00:07:53,881 We'll reschedule it, Mark. 140 00:07:53,914 --> 00:07:56,586 Pretty sure the police need our help. 141 00:08:11,464 --> 00:08:15,620 Back in 2007, Betsy's light shined on Pam. 142 00:08:16,009 --> 00:08:18,190 They were friends, good friends. 143 00:08:18,329 --> 00:08:22,805 Pam even asked Betsy to DJ her daughter's wedding. 144 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:24,776 Hey, Travis! 145 00:08:24,809 --> 00:08:26,112 Travis! 146 00:08:26,145 --> 00:08:29,519 Come "Hokey Pokey" with your mom! 147 00:08:29,552 --> 00:08:31,857 Boo! 148 00:08:34,228 --> 00:08:36,700 Can we get the bride up in here? 149 00:08:38,837 --> 00:08:41,042 - Yay! - Yeah, Sarah! 150 00:08:41,075 --> 00:08:43,079 Everybody, backside! 151 00:08:43,112 --> 00:08:47,187 Pam took pride in making all the right moves. 152 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:50,728 A purposeful choreography through life. 153 00:08:50,761 --> 00:08:52,230 Look at that mama of the bride! 154 00:08:52,264 --> 00:08:54,803 Who knew she could get down like this? 155 00:08:54,836 --> 00:08:56,105 Well, Sarah didn't. 156 00:08:56,138 --> 00:08:59,480 She didn't want me to pay you, Bets. She said we could just use an iPod. 157 00:08:59,505 --> 00:09:00,981 Mom! 158 00:09:01,015 --> 00:09:03,655 Well, happy to give you the friend rate. 159 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,425 No, no, no. You get full pay. 160 00:09:05,450 --> 00:09:08,329 I was telling her, Bets needs the work. 161 00:09:08,362 --> 00:09:10,527 Pam, why don't you just go ahead and give me the mic. 162 00:09:10,552 --> 00:09:11,737 I'm so sorry, Betsy. 163 00:09:11,770 --> 00:09:14,676 For what? I'm paying for this whole shebang. 164 00:09:18,216 --> 00:09:19,786 Hey, you know what? 165 00:09:19,819 --> 00:09:21,957 I'm so happy to be here. 166 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:23,961 We're having a good time. 167 00:09:23,994 --> 00:09:27,602 This... this gig's on me. 168 00:09:27,635 --> 00:09:31,075 No. Really? No charge? 169 00:09:31,108 --> 00:09:32,712 No charge. 170 00:09:32,745 --> 00:09:34,682 Congratulations, Sarah. 171 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,024 Okay, everybody. Here we go. 172 00:09:39,057 --> 00:09:40,928 Put your whole self in. 173 00:09:43,834 --> 00:09:45,184 They say when someone 174 00:09:45,209 --> 00:09:46,907 shows you who they are, 175 00:09:46,940 --> 00:09:49,144 believe it. 176 00:09:49,178 --> 00:09:51,983 But would Lincoln County detectives see Pam 177 00:09:52,017 --> 00:09:53,352 and believe her? 178 00:09:53,386 --> 00:09:55,256 You boys want a cookie? 179 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:57,194 I'm baking up a storm for the holidays. 180 00:09:57,227 --> 00:09:58,931 - I don't mind if I do. - Oh. 181 00:09:58,964 --> 00:10:01,402 No need to take up any of your time, Mrs. Hupp. 182 00:10:01,435 --> 00:10:04,108 We only need to talk to your husband. 183 00:10:04,141 --> 00:10:06,680 Sure. No problem. 184 00:10:12,692 --> 00:10:15,330 Okay, so, Mr. Hupp, on the night of the 27th, 185 00:10:15,363 --> 00:10:18,102 - you were at home? - Yes. 186 00:10:20,841 --> 00:10:24,148 Oh, you play ball? 187 00:10:24,181 --> 00:10:25,885 AAA down in Florida. 188 00:10:25,918 --> 00:10:27,020 Oh. 189 00:10:27,053 --> 00:10:29,893 - Till he threw out his arm. - Mm. 190 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:34,736 Um... 191 00:10:34,769 --> 00:10:39,378 hon, why don't you play that voicemail Betsy left ya? 192 00:10:43,252 --> 00:10:46,225 Happy Christmas, Mark. Hope you're good. 193 00:10:46,258 --> 00:10:50,033 Thanks for loaning me Pam. 194 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:52,972 So full of life. 195 00:10:53,005 --> 00:10:56,045 - That was 7:00? - Mm. 196 00:10:56,078 --> 00:10:59,968 - Yep, 7:04. - Mm, mm. 197 00:10:59,993 --> 00:11:01,797 So I take it you knew Betsy then. 198 00:11:01,822 --> 00:11:03,292 Through Pam. 199 00:11:03,326 --> 00:11:04,796 Didn't know Russ though. 200 00:11:04,829 --> 00:11:07,234 Who did, honestly? 201 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,238 I've been through how many of their separations 202 00:11:09,271 --> 00:11:13,212 and I'm still on the tip of the iceberg over here. 203 00:11:13,253 --> 00:11:17,327 And just some of the stuff she'd say. 204 00:11:20,059 --> 00:11:22,865 Did you guys ever find that letter 205 00:11:22,899 --> 00:11:26,338 that Betsy was writing? 206 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,779 - No. - Oh. 207 00:11:29,812 --> 00:11:33,252 Some of the officers the other day seemed really interested. 208 00:11:33,286 --> 00:11:35,724 Kept asking me. 209 00:11:35,758 --> 00:11:39,766 Um, it was just some letter or something 210 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:42,070 that Bets was gonna email to tell me about 211 00:11:42,103 --> 00:11:44,374 something Russ did to her. 212 00:11:44,408 --> 00:11:47,247 I don't know if she deleted it or whatever. 213 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,717 Why would she email it to you 214 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:52,324 versus talking to you about it? 215 00:11:52,357 --> 00:11:55,396 Uh, I mean, 216 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:57,300 Betsy emailed all the time. 217 00:11:57,334 --> 00:12:00,106 You know, she emailed people. 218 00:12:00,139 --> 00:12:02,979 She'd email about this and that and just general stuff. 219 00:12:03,012 --> 00:12:05,416 You know, she loved email. 220 00:12:05,450 --> 00:12:10,093 Knowing Bets, uh, she probably got charged to text, 221 00:12:10,126 --> 00:12:12,264 so that's why email. 222 00:12:12,297 --> 00:12:15,036 Save the money. 223 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:16,907 Got it. 224 00:12:16,940 --> 00:12:19,111 Do you know what was in this email? 225 00:12:19,144 --> 00:12:21,917 Russ started playing this game 226 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:24,923 of putting a pillow over her face. 227 00:12:24,956 --> 00:12:27,327 And he'd say this is what it's gonna feel like 228 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,003 when you die or whatever. Um, 229 00:12:32,037 --> 00:12:34,809 I didn't really know the guy, 230 00:12:34,842 --> 00:12:38,784 but just from what Bets said, 231 00:12:38,817 --> 00:12:41,890 he seemed sorta... 232 00:12:41,923 --> 00:12:44,161 - Abusive? - Real abusive. 233 00:12:44,194 --> 00:12:47,768 - Mm-hmm. Yeah. - Yeah. 234 00:12:47,802 --> 00:12:51,408 And I was like, well, email it to me. But I never got it. 235 00:12:51,442 --> 00:12:54,014 And would you be willing to testify to all this? 236 00:12:54,047 --> 00:12:58,924 If you think it'd be helpful. 237 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:12,183 Tina, call the judge! 238 00:13:12,217 --> 00:13:14,454 We have our probable cause. 239 00:13:17,227 --> 00:13:18,964 So you given any more thought 240 00:13:18,997 --> 00:13:20,968 to your cousin's offer? 241 00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:22,938 Joel, that's the lawyer, 242 00:13:22,972 --> 00:13:25,343 he said that you would be the one 243 00:13:25,376 --> 00:13:27,414 to have to contact him first. 244 00:13:27,447 --> 00:13:28,950 I don't know. 245 00:13:28,984 --> 00:13:30,821 Feels like getting a lawyer means 246 00:13:30,854 --> 00:13:32,825 that I'm somebody who needs a lawyer, you know? 247 00:13:32,858 --> 00:13:36,566 I just... I just want to get past this. 248 00:13:36,599 --> 00:13:38,302 Mom, come on. You can do that later. 249 00:13:38,336 --> 00:13:40,206 Otherwise, it'll stick. 250 00:13:40,239 --> 00:13:41,509 Are you gonna do these dishes? 251 00:13:41,543 --> 00:13:43,379 Sorry, what? Didn't get that. 252 00:13:44,982 --> 00:13:46,870 Sheriff's Department! 253 00:13:52,263 --> 00:13:55,470 Russell Faria, you're under arrest for the murder of Betsy Faria. 254 00:13:55,504 --> 00:13:57,374 - It's okay. - No! 255 00:13:57,407 --> 00:14:00,079 Ah... 256 00:14:00,113 --> 00:14:01,115 Get up. 257 00:14:02,952 --> 00:14:04,922 Russ, it's okay! 258 00:14:18,249 --> 00:14:19,886 I want a lawyer. 259 00:14:28,651 --> 00:14:31,008 He rolled in from the city, 260 00:14:31,315 --> 00:14:33,980 a busy man from a high-rise firm in St. Louis. 261 00:14:34,014 --> 00:14:37,387 Russ' new lawyer, Joel Schwartz 262 00:14:37,420 --> 00:14:40,059 was about to encounter... 263 00:14:40,093 --> 00:14:43,165 Well, he had no idea. 264 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:45,269 Green Gables? 265 00:14:45,303 --> 00:14:46,606 It's not even green. 266 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,914 Wait, it's not? I Yelped and... 267 00:14:50,948 --> 00:14:54,589 And this definitely looked like the best hotel in town. 268 00:14:54,622 --> 00:14:59,164 Um, but there is a... A Holiday Inn down the 47. 269 00:14:59,197 --> 00:15:02,170 - Do you want me to check that? - What color are their gables? 270 00:15:02,203 --> 00:15:04,509 I can check. 271 00:15:04,542 --> 00:15:06,278 Oh, you're kidding. 272 00:15:06,311 --> 00:15:07,648 - Yeah, I'm kidding. - Oh, right. 273 00:15:07,681 --> 00:15:10,290 It's our first day working together. You get a pass. 274 00:15:10,315 --> 00:15:12,023 Hey, I just got a probable cause statement 275 00:15:12,056 --> 00:15:14,595 from the Lincoln County Sheriff's office. 276 00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:16,198 Looks like an eight-year-old wrote it. 277 00:15:16,231 --> 00:15:18,570 There's gotta be a more substantial report coming. 278 00:15:18,603 --> 00:15:21,308 Should we wait before we sit down with Russell then? 279 00:15:21,341 --> 00:15:23,412 - No. No. - We've got a guy with a temper, 280 00:15:23,446 --> 00:15:24,682 volatile relationship, 281 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:26,719 marriage breaking up, getting back together. 282 00:15:26,753 --> 00:15:30,126 And strangers don't stab their victims 50 plus times. 283 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:32,731 So, uh, I take it you've represented 284 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,704 a lot of guys like Russ then before. 285 00:15:35,737 --> 00:15:36,873 Oh, yeah. 286 00:15:36,906 --> 00:15:40,113 - Oh, yeah, it's kinda my jam. - Yeah, mine too. 287 00:15:40,146 --> 00:15:42,083 Um, you know, I think so. 288 00:15:42,117 --> 00:15:46,091 Because this is my first murder trial. 289 00:15:46,125 --> 00:15:48,997 In my experience, the stats aren't wrong. 290 00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:50,762 We got the husband of the victim here. 291 00:15:50,787 --> 00:15:52,538 - Right. - Right? 292 00:16:02,190 --> 00:16:03,492 Hey, Pam, you heard? 293 00:16:03,527 --> 00:16:05,764 Betsy Faria's husband got arrested. 294 00:16:05,797 --> 00:16:07,200 No way. 295 00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:09,404 Mm-hmm. News just said so. 296 00:16:09,437 --> 00:16:11,076 He goes to my sister's church. 297 00:16:11,101 --> 00:16:12,745 Can you believe that? 298 00:16:12,778 --> 00:16:14,481 I guess you never know what's going on 299 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:16,084 inside other people's houses. 300 00:16:24,702 --> 00:16:26,438 We're here to see Russ Faria. 301 00:16:26,471 --> 00:16:28,743 He's in holding. You can wait over there. 302 00:16:30,413 --> 00:16:32,150 Hey, excuse me. 303 00:16:33,319 --> 00:16:34,622 You can't go in there. 304 00:16:34,655 --> 00:16:37,761 Why are you talking to my client after he asked for a lawyer? 305 00:16:37,795 --> 00:16:39,264 Huh? 306 00:16:42,805 --> 00:16:45,577 That's him. That's Joel Schwartz. 307 00:16:45,611 --> 00:16:47,447 I like his style. 308 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,752 He looks like Tom Hanks from "Splash." 309 00:16:49,785 --> 00:16:51,603 How much do you think that haircut cost? 310 00:16:51,628 --> 00:16:54,160 He already put in a request for evidence. 311 00:16:54,194 --> 00:16:55,797 He's good. 312 00:16:55,831 --> 00:16:59,672 We don't let guys like that dick us around, Tina. 313 00:17:01,676 --> 00:17:03,780 Thanks for coming. 314 00:17:05,584 --> 00:17:08,222 Yeah, well, we're here to help you, Russ. 315 00:17:08,255 --> 00:17:10,293 First off, is it true that you talked to the police 316 00:17:10,326 --> 00:17:12,330 for 24 hours straight? 317 00:17:12,363 --> 00:17:15,236 Yeah. 318 00:17:15,269 --> 00:17:17,508 How much did you tell them? 319 00:17:17,541 --> 00:17:20,479 All of it. 320 00:17:20,514 --> 00:17:22,417 All of what? 321 00:17:22,450 --> 00:17:23,753 The truth. 322 00:17:29,765 --> 00:17:34,174 Am I really going to have to go in front of a jury 323 00:17:34,207 --> 00:17:36,211 because you two can't get a confession 324 00:17:36,245 --> 00:17:37,615 out of this maniac? 325 00:17:37,648 --> 00:17:38,850 The guy's a good liar. 326 00:17:38,883 --> 00:17:40,787 He's sticking to his Arby's and game night. 327 00:17:40,821 --> 00:17:42,758 I wish to God I hadn't gone to game night, 328 00:17:42,791 --> 00:17:44,629 but that's where I was, 329 00:17:44,662 --> 00:17:46,666 so how can everybody think I did this? 330 00:17:46,699 --> 00:17:48,439 It doesn't matter what everyone thinks. 331 00:17:48,464 --> 00:17:51,308 It matters what the prosecution can prove. 332 00:17:51,341 --> 00:17:53,713 Wait. 333 00:17:53,747 --> 00:17:56,719 Do you think I killed Betsy? 334 00:17:56,753 --> 00:17:58,590 I don't know what I think yet, Russ. 335 00:17:58,623 --> 00:17:59,759 Okay. 336 00:17:59,792 --> 00:18:03,600 But... don't you have to believe me? 337 00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:06,104 Isn't that, like, part of this? 338 00:18:06,138 --> 00:18:09,845 I'm bumping on the same thing you are. 339 00:18:09,879 --> 00:18:13,319 I'm not even sure why we're sitting here if your alibi checks out. 340 00:18:13,352 --> 00:18:15,222 Talk to my friends then. 341 00:18:18,362 --> 00:18:20,399 That alibi's still tough to get around. 342 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:23,472 We could widen the net, look at a few more suspects. 343 00:18:23,506 --> 00:18:24,842 You're the detective, 344 00:18:24,875 --> 00:18:26,345 but just because a pocket square 345 00:18:26,378 --> 00:18:29,652 rolls in from the city doesn't mean that we're wrong. 346 00:18:29,685 --> 00:18:30,887 So what do we have? 347 00:18:30,921 --> 00:18:32,290 There must've been a cleanup. 348 00:18:32,323 --> 00:18:34,494 There wasn't blood on Russ' clothing? 349 00:18:34,528 --> 00:18:36,198 Not a drop. 350 00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:39,137 Do we have the luminol photos back? 351 00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:43,713 Those would show if there was blood cleaned up. 352 00:18:43,747 --> 00:18:45,349 Camera malfunctioned. 353 00:18:45,383 --> 00:18:46,586 Photos showed nothing. 354 00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:48,523 Totally blank. 355 00:18:48,556 --> 00:18:51,596 Should we take a look just to be sure? 356 00:18:51,629 --> 00:18:54,182 If he says they're blank, they're blank. What's the point? 357 00:18:54,207 --> 00:18:56,739 Get over here, McCarrick! 358 00:18:56,773 --> 00:18:58,910 This guy stabbed his wife 57 times 359 00:18:58,943 --> 00:19:00,914 and he didn't do it stark naked 360 00:19:00,947 --> 00:19:02,885 spraying Lysol out of his ass, 361 00:19:02,918 --> 00:19:05,657 so he must've missed a spot. 362 00:19:05,691 --> 00:19:08,663 If you were at game night, 363 00:19:08,697 --> 00:19:10,667 then who took Betsy home? 364 00:19:10,701 --> 00:19:12,303 Her friend, Pam. 365 00:19:12,337 --> 00:19:13,439 Pam. 366 00:19:13,472 --> 00:19:16,178 Why don't you tell me about Pam? 367 00:19:16,211 --> 00:19:17,614 She's... 368 00:19:17,648 --> 00:19:19,184 I don't know. 369 00:19:19,217 --> 00:19:21,188 Nice lady. 370 00:19:21,221 --> 00:19:23,359 "Nice lady." 371 00:19:23,392 --> 00:19:27,568 Okay, and what about your stepdaughter, Lily? 372 00:19:27,601 --> 00:19:28,927 She got an ex-boyfriend? 373 00:19:28,952 --> 00:19:31,542 Oh, he's a huge tool, 374 00:19:31,576 --> 00:19:34,280 but I don't think he could've done this. 375 00:19:34,314 --> 00:19:35,996 Well, we should still check him out 376 00:19:36,021 --> 00:19:38,994 just to dot the Ts and cross the... 377 00:19:41,867 --> 00:19:43,103 Okay, Russ. 378 00:19:43,136 --> 00:19:45,607 Well, that should be enough for us to start. 379 00:19:45,641 --> 00:19:48,948 Whoa. What happens now? 380 00:19:48,981 --> 00:19:50,985 Well, you'll be held until trial. 381 00:19:51,019 --> 00:19:54,692 You mean in jail? 382 00:19:59,535 --> 00:20:02,541 Nate and I are gonna sort this out, okay? 383 00:20:02,574 --> 00:20:04,947 In the meantime, you do not talk to the police without me, 384 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:07,217 you understand? 385 00:20:17,071 --> 00:20:18,473 Why would he ask us 386 00:20:18,506 --> 00:20:20,143 to interview five independent witnesses? 387 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:22,749 That's just gonna make him look bad. 388 00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,153 I'm sorry. 389 00:20:25,187 --> 00:20:27,208 I'm still trying to pick up on your social cues. 390 00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:28,259 What's the sign? 391 00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:30,064 I've represented a lot of guilty people, 392 00:20:30,089 --> 00:20:32,134 but it's the innocent ones that keep me up at night. 393 00:20:32,167 --> 00:20:34,605 Wait, you think that he didn't do this? 394 00:20:38,146 --> 00:20:40,918 I guess the pressure's on now. 395 00:20:43,289 --> 00:20:45,895 If the clothes he was wearing don't have blood on them, 396 00:20:45,928 --> 00:20:48,934 then he must've changed, washed up. 397 00:20:48,968 --> 00:20:50,504 Was there blood in the bathroom? 398 00:20:50,537 --> 00:20:52,574 Did you take apart the shower? 399 00:20:52,608 --> 00:20:53,811 Morning, Leah. 400 00:20:53,844 --> 00:20:56,149 You guys are just sitting around sucking on your thumbs 401 00:20:56,182 --> 00:20:58,398 and you have no confession, which means you've just laid 402 00:20:58,423 --> 00:21:01,125 ten times the amount of work at my feet. 403 00:21:01,159 --> 00:21:03,798 You were just elected DA, what, a month ago? 404 00:21:03,831 --> 00:21:06,082 It shows. 405 00:21:06,107 --> 00:21:07,995 I thought you were excited about the big case. 406 00:21:08,020 --> 00:21:09,608 Well, not if I'm gonna lose. 407 00:21:09,642 --> 00:21:11,612 I have to show people why they elected me. 408 00:21:11,646 --> 00:21:14,886 Maybe someone could do a test drive from Arby's. 409 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,757 I saw the receipt. It's timestamped. 410 00:21:16,790 --> 00:21:20,163 Thank you, Tina, who is not a detective. 411 00:21:20,197 --> 00:21:22,701 How could we ever show that it was possible 412 00:21:22,735 --> 00:21:26,075 for Russ to get home from Arby's in time to kill Betsy? 413 00:21:26,109 --> 00:21:27,812 He must've gone over the speed limit. 414 00:21:27,846 --> 00:21:29,081 I'll take care of it. 415 00:21:29,115 --> 00:21:32,121 Now, you two, please take apart the house 416 00:21:32,154 --> 00:21:34,158 and find me the blood. 417 00:21:36,964 --> 00:21:38,199 11:41 a. m. 418 00:21:38,233 --> 00:21:40,203 Detective Brian McCarrick here. 419 00:21:40,237 --> 00:21:42,641 Leaving Arby's en route to 130 Sumac Drive. 420 00:22:09,863 --> 00:22:10,998 Boom! 421 00:22:11,032 --> 00:22:12,234 Plenty of time to kill you. 422 00:22:12,267 --> 00:22:13,871 Yah! 423 00:22:15,975 --> 00:22:18,213 What the friggin' hell? 424 00:22:19,115 --> 00:22:21,854 Ugh! 425 00:22:21,887 --> 00:22:24,860 The entire floor stinks like that? 426 00:22:24,893 --> 00:22:28,299 - Mold. It's bad. - Ugh. 427 00:22:28,333 --> 00:22:31,774 We might have to dip into the Florida money. 428 00:22:31,807 --> 00:22:33,309 It's gone. 429 00:22:35,413 --> 00:22:36,817 All of it? 430 00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:38,686 How'd you think I paid for that flip house 431 00:22:38,711 --> 00:22:40,194 when we're behind the mortgage here? 432 00:22:40,219 --> 00:22:43,696 Well, I... I don't know. Maybe your disability money. 433 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:47,070 I told you about that stupid letter I got, Mark. 434 00:22:47,104 --> 00:22:49,141 They said I don't qualify anymore. 435 00:22:50,277 --> 00:22:53,716 But your bad leg. 436 00:22:53,751 --> 00:22:55,855 Tell it to the man. 437 00:23:01,767 --> 00:23:04,705 I'll get us the money. 438 00:23:15,727 --> 00:23:16,763 Hey. 439 00:23:16,797 --> 00:23:19,168 I just got back from seeing all those gamer guys. 440 00:23:19,201 --> 00:23:21,072 Super sweet group of dudes. 441 00:23:21,105 --> 00:23:24,011 I've got five people 442 00:23:24,044 --> 00:23:26,415 who said that Russ left at 9:00. 443 00:23:26,449 --> 00:23:28,556 Well, you can't be at game night and the Arby's 444 00:23:28,581 --> 00:23:31,425 at the same time you're killing your wife. 445 00:23:31,459 --> 00:23:33,243 So I was looking at these autopsy... 446 00:23:33,268 --> 00:23:34,837 Do you mind if I show this to you while you're eating lunch? 447 00:23:34,862 --> 00:23:35,935 - No. - Okay. 448 00:23:35,968 --> 00:23:38,741 It looks like there is a bruise 449 00:23:38,774 --> 00:23:40,912 - on Betsy's neck here. - Mm. 450 00:23:40,945 --> 00:23:42,247 And then it looks like the knife 451 00:23:42,281 --> 00:23:44,819 was stuck into that same spot 452 00:23:44,853 --> 00:23:46,857 after she was dead. 453 00:23:46,890 --> 00:23:49,695 Maybe the bruise means she was strangled first? 454 00:23:49,728 --> 00:23:52,734 And then put the knife there to cover up the fingerprints. 455 00:23:52,769 --> 00:23:55,207 Yeah, it's weird. 456 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,779 She has so many stab wounds on her back, Joel, 457 00:23:57,812 --> 00:24:00,183 but there's no blood on the carpet. 458 00:24:00,217 --> 00:24:01,385 And they're all the same size, 459 00:24:01,419 --> 00:24:04,091 same depth, all made post-mortem. 460 00:24:04,124 --> 00:24:05,795 Methodical, not passionate, 461 00:24:05,828 --> 00:24:07,231 but trying to make it look like that. 462 00:24:07,264 --> 00:24:09,836 Is that the number one criminal defense attorney 463 00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:11,205 in all of St. Louis? 464 00:24:11,239 --> 00:24:12,876 Number two, actually. 465 00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:14,846 - That's right. Number two. - Yeah. 466 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,115 And you must be, 467 00:24:16,148 --> 00:24:17,986 let me guess, our district attorney. 468 00:24:18,019 --> 00:24:19,121 You can call me Leah. 469 00:24:19,154 --> 00:24:20,490 - Leah. Oh, Leah... - Yes. 470 00:24:20,523 --> 00:24:23,096 We still haven't received our luminol photos 471 00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:24,866 from the crime scene. 472 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:27,471 Photos didn't come out. There was a camera malfunction. 473 00:24:27,504 --> 00:24:29,678 - Oh, well, that's too bad. - Yeah. 474 00:24:29,703 --> 00:24:31,153 We're still gonna need to see those. 475 00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:33,751 And the polygraph results too. 476 00:24:33,784 --> 00:24:35,955 Photos and polygraph coming right up. 477 00:24:35,988 --> 00:24:37,491 Okay. 478 00:24:37,524 --> 00:24:40,497 Hey, Danny, this one's on me. 479 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:43,102 They're guests in our town. 480 00:24:43,136 --> 00:24:44,238 Night, boys. 481 00:24:44,271 --> 00:24:46,810 - Thank you. - Thank you. 482 00:24:48,046 --> 00:24:49,381 - Uh... - Oh, boy. 483 00:24:49,415 --> 00:24:51,827 Okay, okay. What's next? 484 00:24:51,852 --> 00:24:53,911 - Let's go to motive to kill. - All right. 485 00:24:53,936 --> 00:24:56,779 So based on the detectives' interviews, 486 00:24:56,804 --> 00:24:58,395 it seems like they're gonna go with the fact 487 00:24:58,420 --> 00:25:00,337 that Russ was this rage monster who snapped... 488 00:25:00,370 --> 00:25:02,507 Askey will go with that, sure, but if she's smart, 489 00:25:02,541 --> 00:25:04,245 she'll pile on a bunch of other reasons. 490 00:25:04,278 --> 00:25:05,675 Or it could be insurance. 491 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,478 Do you want me to check to see if Betsy had a policy? 492 00:25:07,503 --> 00:25:08,954 She was terminally ill. 493 00:25:08,996 --> 00:25:10,265 I mean, if he was gonna kill her for the money, 494 00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:13,764 why wouldn't he just wait a couple of months? 495 00:25:13,797 --> 00:25:18,570 What about SODDIs? "Some other dude did it." 496 00:25:19,943 --> 00:25:21,145 - Oh. - Yeah. 497 00:25:22,815 --> 00:25:24,819 I just went through 500 pages 498 00:25:24,853 --> 00:25:28,159 of the daughter's boyfriend's text messages. 499 00:25:28,192 --> 00:25:29,863 - And? - I wouldn't date the guy, 500 00:25:29,896 --> 00:25:32,301 but he didn't kill Betsy. 501 00:25:32,334 --> 00:25:35,006 What about that Pam lady? 502 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,411 I mean, she was the last one to see Betsy alive. 503 00:25:37,444 --> 00:25:39,014 We definitely need to see her cell records. 504 00:25:39,048 --> 00:25:40,417 I have tried. 505 00:25:40,450 --> 00:25:43,022 But the DA doesn't seem to think that we need them. 506 00:25:43,056 --> 00:25:44,926 Yeah, well, that's because Pam doesn't fit into 507 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,797 what Askey wants to see. 508 00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:48,166 - That's a good point. - Right? 509 00:25:55,982 --> 00:25:57,605 I have to go home and tuck in the kids 510 00:25:57,630 --> 00:26:00,290 or Chris will get his panties in a twist. 511 00:26:00,323 --> 00:26:02,094 Yeah, we wouldn't want that, would we? 512 00:26:02,127 --> 00:26:05,333 Mm-mm. 513 00:26:05,367 --> 00:26:07,304 Well, let's see. 514 00:26:07,337 --> 00:26:10,410 There's the bloody smear on the light switch. 515 00:26:10,443 --> 00:26:12,447 - Test that against Russ. - Okay. 516 00:26:12,481 --> 00:26:16,455 And then there's the bloody slippers. 517 00:26:16,489 --> 00:26:18,526 That is a wrinkle. 518 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:20,965 Why would he put his slippers back in the closet 519 00:26:20,998 --> 00:26:22,534 after he killed her? 520 00:26:22,567 --> 00:26:24,338 And weird that there's blood on the slippers, 521 00:26:24,371 --> 00:26:26,877 but not on his clothes. 522 00:26:29,148 --> 00:26:32,487 Maybe he did kill her naked. 523 00:26:33,556 --> 00:26:36,295 So test that against Russ. Anyone else? 524 00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:39,601 Why? 525 00:26:39,635 --> 00:26:42,007 It's my first major murder case. 526 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,211 I... 527 00:26:44,244 --> 00:26:47,250 it's a lot. 528 00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:56,744 All right. 529 00:26:56,872 --> 00:26:59,978 Well, if you're leaving, 530 00:27:00,176 --> 00:27:02,915 you should probably take a look at that first. 531 00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:13,136 Pam was always working on something 532 00:27:13,169 --> 00:27:16,108 as she worked her way to the top. 533 00:27:21,953 --> 00:27:23,656 Hello? 534 00:27:23,689 --> 00:27:25,627 Yeah, that's me. 535 00:27:27,515 --> 00:27:30,888 Yeah, I could do that. 536 00:27:31,439 --> 00:27:33,944 See you then. 537 00:27:33,977 --> 00:27:35,948 Mm-hmm. 538 00:27:38,619 --> 00:27:41,559 The DA wants to talk to me. 539 00:27:41,592 --> 00:27:43,196 Again? 540 00:27:43,229 --> 00:27:45,600 No, Travis, try and keep up. 541 00:27:45,633 --> 00:27:48,639 That was the cops I talked to last time. 542 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:52,114 This is the DA. 543 00:27:52,147 --> 00:27:55,186 Just now, she had a story to tell 544 00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:59,361 and just the right person to tell it to. 545 00:28:12,755 --> 00:28:14,658 Joel. 546 00:28:14,691 --> 00:28:16,128 I like your pocket square. 547 00:28:16,162 --> 00:28:17,795 There's not many men that can pull off 548 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:20,277 a pink pocket square. 549 00:28:20,303 --> 00:28:22,541 We're here for Pam Hupp's cell data. 550 00:28:22,574 --> 00:28:24,144 Yeah. 551 00:28:24,178 --> 00:28:26,950 You can go ahead and analyze the phone anytime. 552 00:28:26,983 --> 00:28:28,719 No, not the phone itself. 553 00:28:28,754 --> 00:28:31,325 The raw data is converted into a readable map 554 00:28:31,358 --> 00:28:33,964 - for both sides. - Okay. 555 00:28:33,997 --> 00:28:35,020 Go for it. 556 00:28:35,045 --> 00:28:37,270 The state's analysis center is the one that makes the map. 557 00:28:37,304 --> 00:28:38,506 And you and I both know 558 00:28:38,539 --> 00:28:40,610 that we don't have access to those services. 559 00:28:40,643 --> 00:28:43,182 Only you can make that request to the Sheriff's office. 560 00:28:43,216 --> 00:28:44,384 So how do you suggest 561 00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:47,624 we convert raw cell data on our own? 562 00:28:47,657 --> 00:28:49,127 I don't know, Joel. 563 00:28:49,161 --> 00:28:51,766 Google it? 564 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,102 - Nah. - No. 565 00:28:53,135 --> 00:28:54,772 No, you'll send me the cell map 566 00:28:54,806 --> 00:28:57,177 - and the luminol photos. - Which I have been requesting. 567 00:28:57,202 --> 00:28:59,346 And the physical evidence and everything else that you have 568 00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:00,985 because that is how this works. 569 00:29:01,018 --> 00:29:02,621 Right, you old pro. 570 00:29:02,654 --> 00:29:05,126 I'm gonna have Tina put together a disc for you. 571 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,763 A really nice disc. 572 00:29:06,796 --> 00:29:08,166 Look forward to that. 573 00:29:08,199 --> 00:29:10,136 That was easy. 574 00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:11,605 Thanks for coming all the way down! 575 00:29:13,142 --> 00:29:15,113 What a baby. 576 00:29:30,589 --> 00:29:32,325 Mom would have hated this. 577 00:29:32,547 --> 00:29:34,651 They really tore the place apart. 578 00:29:38,192 --> 00:29:41,198 Um, I'm... I'm just gonna get my new kitten 579 00:29:41,232 --> 00:29:45,808 and then we can just get out of here. 580 00:30:11,458 --> 00:30:13,596 How can you even look at him? 581 00:30:13,629 --> 00:30:15,166 Just because you don't like him... 582 00:30:15,199 --> 00:30:16,435 He called me the C-word. 583 00:30:16,468 --> 00:30:18,072 'Cause you stole money from Grandma. 584 00:30:18,105 --> 00:30:19,742 Shut up. 585 00:30:19,776 --> 00:30:23,583 - Whatever. Let's just go. - Come on. 586 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,792 Mom always left those on. 587 00:30:41,886 --> 00:30:44,625 Wait. 588 00:30:44,658 --> 00:30:46,362 It looks like Pam took two showers. 589 00:30:46,395 --> 00:30:48,499 One the night Betsy died, 590 00:30:48,532 --> 00:30:49,769 and one the next morning. 591 00:30:49,802 --> 00:30:50,838 What the hell? 592 00:30:50,871 --> 00:30:53,609 This latest cell phone info from the prosecution, 593 00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:55,113 it's useless. 594 00:30:55,146 --> 00:30:57,384 This is thousands of pages, 595 00:30:57,417 --> 00:30:59,621 thousands of pages of garbage. 596 00:31:01,558 --> 00:31:03,596 Nothing in this case is easy. 597 00:31:06,803 --> 00:31:09,441 Here they were, together at last. 598 00:31:09,474 --> 00:31:11,478 Pam and Leah Askey, 599 00:31:11,512 --> 00:31:13,649 just two public servants 600 00:31:13,683 --> 00:31:16,388 working for the common good. 601 00:31:16,422 --> 00:31:18,526 - Hi. - Hi. 602 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,498 Sorry I am such a sweaty Betty. 603 00:31:21,532 --> 00:31:23,502 I came straight from Zumba. 604 00:31:23,536 --> 00:31:25,440 You do Zumba? I do Zumba. 605 00:31:25,473 --> 00:31:27,912 - Tuesday, Thursday. - I'm Wednesday, Friday. 606 00:31:29,581 --> 00:31:31,853 It is so nice to officially meet you. 607 00:31:31,886 --> 00:31:34,358 - Mm-hmm. - Have a seat. 608 00:31:34,391 --> 00:31:39,245 You have been through so much. 609 00:31:41,372 --> 00:31:44,746 Joel, look at this. 610 00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:47,818 That's to do with the life insurance. 611 00:31:47,852 --> 00:31:49,024 Oh, Russ, 612 00:31:49,049 --> 00:31:52,394 he was just getting really creepy, you know? 613 00:31:52,427 --> 00:31:55,934 And... and he was making her really nervous... 614 00:31:55,968 --> 00:31:57,064 Mm-hmm. 615 00:31:57,089 --> 00:31:58,539 - With the pillow. - Mm-hmm. 616 00:31:58,572 --> 00:31:59,931 And, you know, she'd turn around 617 00:31:59,956 --> 00:32:02,347 and he'd just be, like, staring at her. 618 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:03,582 Stuff like that. 619 00:32:03,616 --> 00:32:05,420 And four days before he killed her... 620 00:32:05,453 --> 00:32:09,528 Betsy changed the beneficiary from Russ to Pam. 621 00:32:11,465 --> 00:32:13,703 We got Pam's motive to kill. 622 00:32:13,736 --> 00:32:14,939 SODDI. 623 00:32:18,546 --> 00:32:20,851 This change of beneficiary thing is really 624 00:32:20,884 --> 00:32:23,689 - gonna help our case. - Oh, my God. 625 00:32:23,723 --> 00:32:25,593 You think Russ found out about it 626 00:32:25,626 --> 00:32:27,430 and that's what made him snap. 627 00:32:27,464 --> 00:32:28,566 Yep. 628 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:31,705 Betsy took him off the policy and he killed her in a fit of rage. 629 00:32:31,739 --> 00:32:34,644 - Well, that makes total sense. - Unfortunately, 630 00:32:34,678 --> 00:32:37,450 Betsy's like a lot of abused women I've seen, 631 00:32:37,484 --> 00:32:39,688 just trapped in a bad marriage, 632 00:32:39,721 --> 00:32:41,692 trying to make it okay for the kids. 633 00:32:41,725 --> 00:32:43,629 Right. That was the idea. 634 00:32:43,662 --> 00:32:44,866 And everyone knows that 635 00:32:44,899 --> 00:32:46,870 Russ is kinda rough around the edges. 636 00:32:46,903 --> 00:32:49,474 Well, I'm gonna make him pay for what he's done. 637 00:32:49,508 --> 00:32:53,349 But I need someone who really knows 638 00:32:53,382 --> 00:32:56,622 Betsy and Russ' relationship. 639 00:32:56,655 --> 00:32:58,994 To testify, you mean. 640 00:32:59,027 --> 00:33:01,331 Yeah. 641 00:33:01,365 --> 00:33:04,638 Well, I know everything about it 642 00:33:04,671 --> 00:33:07,243 'cause Betsy told me. 643 00:33:07,277 --> 00:33:09,247 That's great. 644 00:33:09,281 --> 00:33:12,320 Thank you for agreeing to testify. 645 00:33:12,353 --> 00:33:15,259 Sometimes, it's best to let the fish 646 00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:18,499 think it's catching you. 647 00:33:18,532 --> 00:33:19,912 I was just trying to help her out. 648 00:33:19,937 --> 00:33:22,507 So when Bets says she wanted to put my name on policy, 649 00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:25,012 I said, "Whatever you think is best." 650 00:33:25,046 --> 00:33:29,721 She was like, "Well, anything's better than Russ." 651 00:33:29,756 --> 00:33:31,926 Sometimes you cast so many lines 652 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,030 into that little pond, 653 00:33:34,064 --> 00:33:36,034 it makes a web. 654 00:33:38,072 --> 00:33:40,409 He's not good with money. 655 00:33:40,443 --> 00:33:44,384 Mm. Mm. 656 00:33:44,417 --> 00:33:45,620 I guess Betsy was just like 657 00:33:45,653 --> 00:33:48,292 a lot of women out there, you know? 658 00:33:48,325 --> 00:33:51,365 Just a bad marriage, 659 00:33:51,398 --> 00:33:53,804 trying to take care of the kids. 660 00:33:53,837 --> 00:33:56,608 Mm. 661 00:33:56,642 --> 00:33:58,646 Now that's all on me. 662 00:33:58,679 --> 00:34:01,385 Well, I can sort that out for you. 663 00:34:01,418 --> 00:34:02,554 Oh, no. 664 00:34:02,587 --> 00:34:04,792 - Or... or Tammy can. - No, I got it. 665 00:34:04,826 --> 00:34:06,562 I can take care of those girls. 666 00:34:06,595 --> 00:34:09,668 Set up a trust for 'em and everything. 667 00:34:09,701 --> 00:34:12,474 I have been 668 00:34:12,507 --> 00:34:17,450 thanking God for you every night, Pam. 669 00:34:17,484 --> 00:34:19,989 Don't thank Him for me yet. 670 00:34:20,022 --> 00:34:24,482 I still gotta testify against Russ. 671 00:34:25,901 --> 00:34:27,003 Well, 672 00:34:27,036 --> 00:34:31,946 Janet was practically begging me to handle the money. 673 00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:35,854 You know what I had to do to get it. 674 00:34:35,888 --> 00:34:37,690 Hell and back. 675 00:34:37,724 --> 00:34:40,329 State Acres has this new phone tree thing. 676 00:34:40,363 --> 00:34:41,866 When you call, it takes forever. 677 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:44,872 Finally got an old contact of mine from HQ, Dusty. 678 00:34:44,906 --> 00:34:47,710 Seems like Dusty's got bumped up through the ranks. 679 00:34:47,745 --> 00:34:49,614 Totally remembered me too. 680 00:34:49,648 --> 00:34:52,308 "Oh, Pam, how you doing? How's Mark?" 681 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:53,890 - That's good. - Yeah, so, you know. 682 00:34:53,924 --> 00:34:56,628 I said, "Good. Betsy's dead. Can I get that money?" 683 00:34:56,662 --> 00:35:00,636 And he pulled the trigger for me right then. 684 00:35:00,670 --> 00:35:02,473 So you're good? 685 00:35:02,507 --> 00:35:04,578 Yeah. 686 00:35:06,481 --> 00:35:08,085 Don't stress about the house. 687 00:35:08,118 --> 00:35:12,560 Get a whole team out there to kill that mold. 688 00:35:12,594 --> 00:35:14,999 I'll bet you'll get that facelift 689 00:35:15,032 --> 00:35:17,370 you've been wanting. 690 00:35:17,403 --> 00:35:21,511 Mom, I don't know what you're even talking about. 691 00:35:21,545 --> 00:35:23,515 Well, your face does. 692 00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:32,133 Oops. 693 00:35:49,467 --> 00:35:53,316 So, um, I was able to run Pam's record one more time. 694 00:35:53,341 --> 00:35:54,544 Came back clean. 695 00:35:54,578 --> 00:35:56,582 ♪ We got a spotless queen ♪ 696 00:35:56,615 --> 00:35:57,851 It does sound like she likes to bring on 697 00:35:57,885 --> 00:35:59,588 a lot of lawsuits. 698 00:35:59,621 --> 00:36:01,558 Her neighbors said Pam talked about suing 699 00:36:01,592 --> 00:36:03,462 the hospital where her son was born 700 00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,801 for giving him cerebral palsy. 701 00:36:05,834 --> 00:36:07,437 Guess that didn't work out. 702 00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:09,207 ♪ Hoped to sue for palsy ♪ 703 00:36:09,241 --> 00:36:10,978 Then she claimed that a filing cabinet 704 00:36:11,011 --> 00:36:12,982 fell on her head at work. 705 00:36:13,015 --> 00:36:14,618 ♪ Well, that's pretty ballsy ♪ 706 00:36:16,021 --> 00:36:18,692 ♪ Hupp, Hupp, Hupp it up ♪ 707 00:36:18,733 --> 00:36:20,838 - ♪ Hupp, Hupp ♪ - Hey, will you check this out? 708 00:36:25,741 --> 00:36:27,443 Is that Leah Askey? 709 00:36:27,468 --> 00:36:29,014 That is Chris Mennemeyer, 710 00:36:29,047 --> 00:36:31,151 who, by the way, gave out homemade cookies 711 00:36:31,184 --> 00:36:32,620 when she ran for the judge's seat. 712 00:36:32,654 --> 00:36:35,961 So the judge and Leah Askey went to high school together? 713 00:36:35,994 --> 00:36:37,730 Should we be worried? 714 00:36:37,765 --> 00:36:39,034 So we had this... 715 00:36:39,067 --> 00:36:40,569 There are a lot of things 716 00:36:40,603 --> 00:36:42,975 you could say about Pam Hupp. 717 00:36:43,008 --> 00:36:44,544 A... a ten-year plan. 718 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:47,150 One is that she is cooperative. 719 00:36:47,183 --> 00:36:48,853 Well, the ten-year turned to 12, 720 00:36:48,887 --> 00:36:51,491 'cause 2008, the bottom falls out, hits really hard, 721 00:36:51,525 --> 00:36:54,130 so we flip houses on the side and got plenty of money. 722 00:36:54,164 --> 00:36:55,990 - Okay. It's... - And a couple of months ago 723 00:36:56,015 --> 00:36:59,040 um, I had to put my mom in a home and it's pricey. 724 00:36:59,074 --> 00:37:00,576 You know, my mom's got Alzheimer 725 00:37:00,609 --> 00:37:02,180 - and dementia and all of that. - Sure. 726 00:37:02,213 --> 00:37:04,250 That's why the insurance money 727 00:37:04,284 --> 00:37:06,188 is just sitting there. I'm too busy. 728 00:37:06,221 --> 00:37:07,609 Of course, I want to set up that trust though. 729 00:37:07,634 --> 00:37:09,742 - Right, right, right, right. - So thanks for coming in 730 00:37:09,767 --> 00:37:11,064 to talk about the insurance payout. 731 00:37:11,098 --> 00:37:13,068 - Mm-hmm. - Okay, the 150,000, 732 00:37:13,102 --> 00:37:15,774 that's in a separate account than your own. 733 00:37:15,807 --> 00:37:20,767 Uh, it's just sitting in my checking account. 734 00:37:22,788 --> 00:37:24,892 Okay. 735 00:37:24,925 --> 00:37:27,030 We can go to the computer and pull it up right now. 736 00:37:27,063 --> 00:37:29,134 No, no, no, no. I... 737 00:37:29,167 --> 00:37:31,004 No, no, I'm just saying, 738 00:37:31,038 --> 00:37:35,146 to me, in my world, 150K is not that much. 739 00:37:35,179 --> 00:37:37,751 And if I really, I mean, I hate to say it, 740 00:37:37,785 --> 00:37:39,254 but if I wanted the money, 741 00:37:39,287 --> 00:37:43,562 my mom is worth half a million that I get when she dies. 742 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,168 So... and I know that that sounds... 743 00:37:46,201 --> 00:37:47,945 That sounds morbid and stuff like that... 744 00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:49,507 So... but you intend to set up... 745 00:37:49,541 --> 00:37:50,944 I'm her life insurance person. 746 00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:52,013 I know. I know. 747 00:37:52,046 --> 00:37:53,282 But you do intend on 748 00:37:53,315 --> 00:37:55,052 setting up the trust for Betsy's girls. 749 00:37:55,086 --> 00:37:57,090 Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 750 00:37:57,123 --> 00:37:58,960 Just as soon as we flip this house. 751 00:37:58,993 --> 00:38:00,563 'Cause, you know, money's tied up 752 00:38:00,596 --> 00:38:03,102 and I still have physical problems I see doctors for. 753 00:38:03,135 --> 00:38:04,403 It would be good for you, Pam, 754 00:38:04,428 --> 00:38:06,108 and it'll help our case against Russ 755 00:38:06,141 --> 00:38:08,278 if that money's no longer in your possession. 756 00:38:08,312 --> 00:38:10,249 How does it help me exactly? 757 00:38:10,282 --> 00:38:11,953 Well, you know, Schwartz, 758 00:38:11,986 --> 00:38:13,905 he might say you had something to do with the murder 759 00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:16,829 'cause of a... because of a financial windfall. 760 00:38:20,236 --> 00:38:22,206 Here I am trying to help Betsy's family 761 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,644 on top of my own, and... 762 00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:26,816 What are the possibilities? I'm sorry for interrupting, 763 00:38:26,849 --> 00:38:29,220 but what are the possibilities you get this trust set up 764 00:38:29,254 --> 00:38:33,595 for the girls before the trial? 765 00:38:33,629 --> 00:38:35,299 A hundred. 766 00:38:35,332 --> 00:38:39,140 100% it will be set up. 767 00:38:39,174 --> 00:38:42,748 And you'll call me when you do it? 768 00:38:42,781 --> 00:38:44,050 Yeah, I will. 769 00:38:44,084 --> 00:38:48,092 That's Pam, working toward a common goal... 770 00:38:48,125 --> 00:38:49,627 I will. 771 00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:52,600 Even if it'll come back to haunt 772 00:38:52,633 --> 00:38:54,872 the Lincoln County Sheriff's office. 773 00:38:59,314 --> 00:39:01,718 Did Arby's today. 774 00:39:01,753 --> 00:39:03,407 Turns out the timestamp on the receipt 775 00:39:03,432 --> 00:39:06,161 is when the order was placed, not received. 776 00:39:06,194 --> 00:39:09,701 Well, there you go. That adds at least five minutes to Russ' drive. 777 00:39:09,734 --> 00:39:10,871 There's no way he could've gotten home 778 00:39:10,904 --> 00:39:12,306 in time to kill Betsy. 779 00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:14,177 Yeah, and I still don't see any luminol photos 780 00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:17,350 in this latest bundle from Askey. 781 00:39:17,383 --> 00:39:19,354 So they found Russ' bloody slippers in the closet, 782 00:39:19,387 --> 00:39:20,891 but no luminol photos to show 783 00:39:20,924 --> 00:39:22,555 that any bloody footprints were cleaned up. 784 00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:24,364 Nope. 785 00:39:24,397 --> 00:39:27,336 I've been thinking a lot about these murder slippers. 786 00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:31,144 How they look like they were dipped in blood. 787 00:39:31,178 --> 00:39:33,783 There's also blood on Betsy's socks. 788 00:39:33,817 --> 00:39:35,887 Like, why is there blood on Betsy's socks 789 00:39:35,921 --> 00:39:39,027 if all of the blood loss is around her neck and arms? 790 00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:40,663 And the socks are only on halfway, 791 00:39:40,696 --> 00:39:42,901 like someone put them back on her in a hurry. 792 00:39:42,935 --> 00:39:45,372 They used the sock gloves 793 00:39:45,406 --> 00:39:48,145 to transport the murder slippers? 794 00:39:48,178 --> 00:39:50,015 Yes? 795 00:39:50,049 --> 00:39:51,886 Right? I play it out. 796 00:39:51,919 --> 00:39:54,224 They take the slippers, they dip 'em in blood. 797 00:39:54,257 --> 00:39:55,894 They get blood on the socks. 798 00:39:55,927 --> 00:39:58,933 They're in a rush. They hit the bedroom light switch, 799 00:39:58,967 --> 00:40:00,937 which is why it looks like a bloody smear... 800 00:40:00,971 --> 00:40:04,210 And not a fingerprint. 801 00:40:04,244 --> 00:40:07,683 No fingerprints, no evidence of a cleanup. 802 00:40:07,717 --> 00:40:09,721 But even if Askey says those luminol photos 803 00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:11,229 didn't turn out, we still need 'em. 804 00:40:11,254 --> 00:40:12,393 No, I'll stay on her. 805 00:40:12,426 --> 00:40:14,130 And we still need polygraph results too, 806 00:40:14,164 --> 00:40:15,934 if those even exist. 807 00:40:15,967 --> 00:40:17,838 They said... you can't fail 808 00:40:17,871 --> 00:40:20,676 a polygraph 100%, right? It's not a thing. 809 00:40:20,709 --> 00:40:22,380 Well, they can't use it in court anyway. 810 00:40:22,413 --> 00:40:24,785 And don't forget about the dozen phone calls 811 00:40:24,818 --> 00:40:26,388 from Pam to Betsy, 812 00:40:26,421 --> 00:40:30,696 but we don't have any records from Pam's phone, so... 813 00:40:30,729 --> 00:40:32,466 Even without all of that, 814 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,239 we can still prove he got home too late. 815 00:40:35,272 --> 00:40:37,945 Got his alibi. 816 00:40:37,978 --> 00:40:40,182 We got a SODDI. 817 00:40:48,265 --> 00:40:50,904 Hey, Russ. How you doing? 818 00:40:50,937 --> 00:40:52,473 Not great. 819 00:40:52,506 --> 00:40:54,979 I haven't heard from my girls. 820 00:40:55,012 --> 00:40:56,983 I mean, radio silence. 821 00:40:57,016 --> 00:40:59,755 It's not like Mariah. 822 00:40:59,788 --> 00:41:01,893 I just... 823 00:41:01,926 --> 00:41:04,130 I want to make things better, I guess. 824 00:41:04,163 --> 00:41:06,234 Yeah, well, the trial's right around the corner 825 00:41:06,268 --> 00:41:09,274 and I'm going to make sure they see the Pam of it. Okay. 826 00:41:09,307 --> 00:41:11,979 And you are gonna get your girls back 827 00:41:12,013 --> 00:41:14,752 because we got one thing on our side that they don't, 828 00:41:14,785 --> 00:41:18,927 and it's a luxury that I'm used to working without. 829 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,964 What's that? 830 00:41:20,997 --> 00:41:23,368 The truth. 831 00:41:23,402 --> 00:41:27,009 Ah, truth. A powerful thing. 832 00:41:29,815 --> 00:41:33,923 But can it prevail in a tight-knit town like Troy? 833 00:41:33,957 --> 00:41:36,227 Schwartz might want to keep wife killers on the streets, 834 00:41:36,261 --> 00:41:37,831 but by the grace of God, 835 00:41:37,864 --> 00:41:41,037 I am putting this one away. Whoo! 836 00:41:41,071 --> 00:41:42,306 Cheers to you! 837 00:41:53,295 --> 00:41:55,834 Yes. Yes! 838 00:41:55,867 --> 00:41:57,169 Whoo-hoo! 839 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,850 Hey, let's get this hero another shot! 840 00:42:05,887 --> 00:42:07,223 Um, sir? 841 00:42:07,256 --> 00:42:08,960 Another Shirley Temple, sir. 842 00:42:08,993 --> 00:42:10,864 Sir? Hello? 843 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,053 A tight-knit town indeed. 844 00:42:24,608 --> 00:42:28,608 - Synced and corrected by synk - - www.addic7ed.com - 59553

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