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Hi!

Hey Amy!

- How ya doing?
- I'm good, how are you doing?

- Good

- I'm sorry it took me
so long to track you down.

- It's ok
- I didn't know what happened to ya.

How long have you been--
how long have you been there?

- Um, right after I got off,
right after I started talking to you

- No kidding

When we, when it came time to
do the chat, we had

horrible cell signal, like, we
didn't even have cell signal at the cabin.

but we had WiFi and
the WiFi was too terrible,

it wouldn't even let us do a video call.

So we had to drive into town,
into the middle of Somerset,

and use a hotspot on my
phone to do this video chat.

And I was really nervous, it was really
hot, and we were parked in the shade,

and, we just kinda sat there
waiting, waiting for her to pick up.

And she picked up, and for the
first time, we actually talked

face to face.

I guess my biggest questions for you,
because of the timing of when you emailed,

where, where did you
hear the term "ufonaut"?

I heard the term because
of some shit that was going on

and some things that I
had seen while I was there,

and I Googled what
it was that I had seen.

- Ok,-And that's what it, came up

- What about the term "sluf"?

- I've heard that too

But... do you know anything
about the military's involvement?

- I know what
people online say.

I know that they talk about secret
underground bases and things like that,

- I started this because
I heard a girl screaming,

whenever we were staying in
a camper out there by the lake.

- Okay.

- I started digging
into something then,

I thought I was digging into
a creepy old guy named Ed

that lived right up the street and
I thought he was a serial killer.

Turned out to be something that
I wasn't capable of fighting on my own,

- Okay
- Or doing something with,

and it was-- it was
much bigger than that.

And it wound up landing me
a bunch of felonies, and--

I will never be able to go back
to being a school teacher again.

- You were a schoolteacher?

- Mmhm, third grade.
- Wow.

- I mean... it's
ruined my entire life.

- Where.. alright, so one
of the things that you mentioned,

I have your, I have your emails, I
printed them out so I could have 'em,

you, you mentioned something about
worshiping the Green Man.

Can you give me more about that?

- I can tell you that there
are a bunch of them that lives

in the caves out there.

They'll, they are a whole
underground network.

In their mines in the caves. And
they are all over the place out there.

- What...
- I'm gonna warn you though,

- You better be careful digging
into something that you don't...

cause once you do... you can't unsee,
you can't unknow it.

And, I'm... you just can't,
and it's really...

it screwed my whole life up.

And I still have no clue of anything,

and I, I know that I don't
even know what I know,

Does that make sense?
- I understand.

I know what you, I
understand what you mean.

One of the weirdest things
about talking to Amy was...

In her initial emails, she talks
about the Green Man,

and she talks about Beltane,
and she talks about people

worshiping the Green Man.

Tyler then sees a Green Man.
A literal Green Man on a tree,

after getting lost at the coordinates and,
and popping out and seeing this thing.

It was very pointed.

You know, and then we're
looking into the connections

into, you know, Pan, this earth
energy. The rebirth of Pan sets

us down this path that also starts to talk
about Pan's connection to the Green Man.

These things all lined
up, in a very spooky manner.

So we start to talk to Amy,

and her green men are literal
little green men.

They're not THE Green Man, like she
doesn't even have any concept for that.

Which is really weird, because you
look at those emails, and I don't see

any other way to interpret
what she's talking about,

other than the idea of the Green Man
god, or the Green Man earth spirit.

And now she's saying no, they
worship the little green men.

So, she gives us this description
that's just the goblins again.

So it's gone, from goblins, to the
Green Man spirit, Pan,

back to goblins again...
Which is bizarre!

All of the dead ends...

Are, purposeful...
They're pointed.

It's like they're time activated almost,
like everything needs to be a different

thing at a different time,
much like the phenomena.

The facts themselves are shifting,

to be what they need to be
when they need to be it,

for us to still get to the same point.
That's bizarre to me.

Can you tell me more about Doug
and how he might know who I am?

- I... don't know, he just said
that I needed to look up somebody who

done this kind
of thing for a living,

and um...

he just said that I would,
that, he pointed you out

and said that you would
know how to help me.

- How do you know Doug?

- I have known
Doug for the last 20 years.

- But he's, he's...
- He's an older man

- He's an older guy?
- Mmhm

- If you, if you had to succinctly sum up
what you think is happening in Somerset,

what you think is happening in these
caves, how would you sum that up?

- Well, what honestly,
I don't know.

I know that they are Pagan...
they have rituals out there.

- Ok
- I know that much,

but that doesn't necessarily mean
that that's one group of people,

because I'm finding so many
different things going on out there.

So I don't know if it would be Pagan,
Wiccan crap, or if it's...

underground human trafficking.
I don't know what's going on out there.

All I know is, is that some really
serious shit is going on out there,

and, nobody lives there.

You can, they have-- they have
tree stands, and people watch out there.

It's almost, it's, I swear, I
believe it's government.

Ok look, there's a house,
it's on Hail Bridge road. It's like,

there's an elevator, in the bathroom,
that goes down to the mineshaft in there.

- In the house?
- Yes in the house.

So do you think, my wheelhouse
is really mostly in paranormal phenomena,

UFO's, Bigfoot, things like that.
Like, that's what I do.

So, government conspiracies,
military conspiracies, things

like that are a little
out of my wheelhouse.

Do you believe there's a paranormal
connection or do you think this is

totally just people doing bad things?

- I don't think Area 51 is in
New Mexico. I'm trying to tell you,

it is in Somerset Kentucky.

- Okay.

Okay.

Is there anything now, or in the last
five minutes, is there anything that

I need to know before I start
digging into this more seriously,

anything at all?

- Dig quietly...

Dig quietly. Do not be as loud as I
was 'cause I went in with a sledgehammer.

I'm telling you there's a whole
civilization of these down there,

and you can hear them... way
before you get deeper in.

- What are they?

- I don't know.

I don't know, but they are like a,
lime green.

And, um...

I don't know, it, I border on, we call it,
me and my mom joke about it,

call 'em "Hills Have Eyes". I don't know.
If you wanna know the truth about it,

I really don't know.

This literally shook
my entire life,

and it started with a girl
screaming in the woods.

And ended with a lot of questions,
and a whole lot of felony charges,

and we've got six seconds.

- I'll plan another call
with you, we'll talk more.

- Okay.

I don't even know
what to make of that.

I...

I'm more confused
now than I was before.

She sounds...

It's clear that she wants me
to look into something.

But I don't know if I trust exactly
what she's telling me to look into

She did not back
down from her story.

in fact, there were
more details to her story,

that made a lot of the
earlier emails make sense.

It really started to seem like
she had seen something,

and she even admitted to us...

she saw something, and she does not really
know how to make sense of what she saw.

and she's doing her
best to make sense of it.

...a whole lot of felony charges

and we've got six seconds...

I'll plan another call
with you, we'll talk more.

Okay.

Wow

I dunno...

How did that make
you feel, watching that?

- Really anxious.
I have a real bad feeling about it.

To be perfectly honest with you.

Ditto

I, you know it's funny, so...

It would be a heck of a lot easier if
you made that phone call, far away.

Yeah
- But we're in the town.

It's right down the road.

Like that's...

And it scares me too...
- Like, I'm scared

because it's so, it's also so
close to Cincinnati, like...

it's two hours away from
Cincinnati

The cave is less than
a mile down the river.

- It's gonna be really easy to reach,
I know exactly the cave that it is.

We have a map even of that cave.

- That's not the point I
was trying to make,

I was trying to make the point of
- Yeah

- The people that are the scary people
are literally surrounding us right now

- And the worst part
is like I feel bad for her

- Somerset's weird!
- Yeah

- There's weird stuff going on, there's,
I mean, talking to absolutely normal

people, talking to the guy from
the museum today,

there's a lot of weird
stuff that's going on here

It just depends on who's telling you the
story, you're getting their own version.

Marginality is potentially a factor in
somebody who has paranormal

activity and phenomena occurring
around them or called to them.

It frankly seems a lot more likely
to occur in more marginalized areas,

like Hellier, like the
outskirts of Somerset.

And so, it gets to a point where
you realize after reading enough

that that's a risk that you're gonna
have to be willing to take.

- She didn't back down from
her story, which I found surprising.

Um, she gave more details for us to
look into, and so, the thing right now,

like you said it best, like,
we are paranormal investigators.

So what we have, is interestingly enough,
a call back to little goblin creatures.

Not the green men of ancient myth
and worship in the olden times,

but rather, like, she's saying
there's creatures in the mines.

So, what, this is what,
what I would propose is this,

We try to find some green men,
maybe, while we're here.

Let's bring that case, let's look for
the paranormal aspect then close the

chapter for us, hand it off.

- I'm wondering more, is it
possible to separate it?

Once we start looking into one
aspect of what she sent us off on,

are we intrinsically intertwined
into that story?

That's what I'm worried about.

And I think probably,
we should all be worried about.

So we, we already made the decision,
like, talking about it now doesn't

do anything, we already made the decision.

So now we just have to do
what we came here to do,

and, go into some caves, and see
what we see, let's continue the ritual.

We're here for a reason, we might not
even totally understand that reason yet,

but we're here for a reason
and we need to see that through.

- Initiations don't exist without fear.
Right?

- Literally. Yeah.

What do you think
of aliens? Do they exist?

Yes, I guess, I don't think that they've

necessarily been here
and visited us,

because I don't know that they, I
mean, with all the galaxies and all

the stars I have a hard time
believing, you know, we're it.

I just think that it's really
statistically probably not the case.

Welcome back.

- How do you feel?

- Really good.

- Really good?

- I'm good.

Very sleepy.

- Very sleepy? Yeah?

Watery eyes are,
for the purpose of everyone

else watching, are a common symptom
of a successful hypnotic session.

So, if you didn't think you experienced
hypnosis in high school,

you most certainly did just now.

- Yeah, not, they weren't like grays,
they weren't like the ones like I was--

sort of,

- Wasn't what you expected?

- Not at all
- Not at all?

- Like I'm calm now, but I feel like
I just went through, like,

a whirlwind of a lot of stuff.

- It's-- how much
time do you feel has gone by?

- It feels like forever but I mean I don't
know, how many hours has it been?

It's been
like, twenty minutes.

Are you fucking with me?

Dude, no.
It's been, yeah, twenty minutes maybe

- I feel like I, no, you guys are
fucking with me.

- What is your name?
- My name is Jason Gowin.

- What do you remember about the
night of October 14, 2012?

- I remember we were filming
for Planet Weird.

We were going to do an experiment.

I was supposed to be an alien
abduction induction,

I don't... there's not a lot
else I remember.

as far as what happens to me.

Like I know... things that I've
been told.

I know

that I get a very uneasy feeling
whenever

this conversation comes up.

But I don't... the events of the
actual "abduction"

I don't recall.

- Do you believe in UFO's?

- Yes.

- Yeah? Do you believe in
alien entities?

- Yes.

It's interesting, because now
I feel a little more

foreboding at the very idea
of aliens.

- Do you think that there are people
being abducted by aliens?

- You know, I think that it's in
the realm of possibility.

I'm Lonnie Scott, I'm a
professional hypnotist

and hypnosis instructor.

I'm also a practicing occultist.

Well I was excited
for the challenge.

Memory is a tricky thing, and false
memories are easy to create.

And I thought by creating that
experience in someone,

under the safety and the guidance of
knowing that that's what we were doing

as an experiment, and not trying to
fulfill a recovery of an abduction

experience from someone who was
afraid that that may have

happened to them... I wanted to
see if false memories

were that easy to create.

And show that there is a danger
to irresponsible regression.

I always thought it was a little bit
of a stretch to link Terry

to the hypnosis experiment.

I never really thought that that's
what he was talking about,

but there have been a lot of aspects
of this case that do seem to support

doing that experiment.

It keeps coming up, this whole idea
of trance states

being an aspect of alien
abduction.

There are some interesting elements
of "Flying Saucer to the Center of

Your Mind" that supported our
motivation to try

the hypnosis experiment.

Because even Keel was arguing that
it seemed like the UFO

phenomena is less something
happening out here,

and more something that's happening
in here.

"The major theory now evolving among
top ufologists

is that a large percentage of all UFO
contacts and ground-level

experiences are entirely
hallucinatory - "

Out of the five of us,who do you think

would be a good candidate?

- All of you.

Absolutely, all of you. It's just
a particular state of mind.

I think Strand is just
too nuts to go, frankly.

- We've all got some real wacky
things up in our brains.

- I think that's it. I think that the
three of us in particular

would be too...

I don't think people would trust the
process as much if it was

- one of the three of us.
- Yeah, definitely.

- How would you feel if you went,
Connor?

- I am... nervous. I think I
probably could do it,

But I also think Dana could.

And I'm a little bit... I'm nervous.
Yeah.

- I mean if we're going just based on
the amount of time

in the Estes Method, I mean it's...
you three. For sure.

I think Dana is out of the running
already. I just don't...

Because it's such a strange
experiment and it's so easily

potentially spun out of control,

it needed to be the people who are
the most grounded.

Who could ground that experience and
actually come back with information

- Karl is the most objective, absolutely.
- Yeah.

I'm good with Karl, are you guys
good with Karl?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yep. Mmhm.

If all I have to say to you are
key phrases or words, for you to

go to the dentist and have a
root canal,

go home, use more of those
hypnotic techniques,

just words, spoken to you
in the correct manner,

and then heal faster from that,
why couldn't you use

those same sorts of techniques
to contact spirits, or

travel to other worlds within your
own mind?

Who knows what the possibilities
really are.

At the end of the day,
Lonnie knows

we need to get actionable,
objective information out of this

somehow.

That we wouldn't have otherwise
known.

So he knows that's the goal of this
whole experiment.

So no matter what,
that's the, the end aim.

- But it sounds like your mindset
though too, if we do get information,

we aren't going to necessarily know
tonight whether or not that's something

we don't know, cause it's
going to require research.

- But that's the point.
- If we get an answer, yeah.

- That's the exact point, is having
information that we can find out later,

is real information.
- Yeah

This time isn't about creating
false experiences or false memories.

This time is much more in line
with magical and occult practices

of using trance to, visit places on,
in inner worlds that could probably

be connected to outer worlds to
retrieve information like we were

talking about earlier, to create,
meet and perhaps create allies.

That is a much more traditional use of
trance in magical and occult practices.

- In a lot of ways, I feel like we're just
doing a human Estes method

- Yeah
- That's sort of what it is.

- And I think maybe that's the
best way to look at it.

We're doing a human Estes method.

Are we ready?

Do you think we're
going to be successful?

- I know we're gonna
be successful. Absolutely.

I see no reason why we
should wait any further.

- Alright
- Alright, let's do it

- You ready?
- Yeah!

Great!

- Go ahead, close your eyes and
take a good deep breath,

- Very good. Take
another deep breath.

- Very good. And as you begin to
allow your body to just simply relax,

with each and every breath,
settling into a nice, normal rhythm.

Now in a moment, I'm going to count
down, and on each and every count,

you can double, or even triple
that sense of relaxation.

Five.

Four.

Drifting... Further...
and further...

Three.

Two.

All the way down, towards
that far and distant horizon.

One.

Zero.

Your mind and your body
are now in that place where you can

accept any of the
suggestions that are given.

With each and every
step into that place,

you are left with nothing more than
the ability to peer into that darkness,

to know that you are part of a process.

You are part of a bigger role.

And that you are here,
not only as a witness,

as you have been
to so many mysteries,

but you are here now
to be a voice to those mysteries.

Now when I ask you a question,
you will be able to answer me.

- Have you found
yourself in that place?

- Yes

- Ask your own intuition, show you
something to reveal in that room,

where you're at now, a sign,
a symbol, a word, a phrase,

maybe even an item as a deeper clue.
Ask for clarity.

What's going on in Hellier?

- There's a gateway.

- A gateway to what?

- To these other places.

- Is the gateway open?

- It's closed.

- Are you supposed to open it?
Or is it supposed to be closed?

- We're supposed to open it.

- And what happens
when that gateway opens?

- They get to come out.

- Ask again, only this time, what's
going on in Somerset?

- Somerset's a place
on the fringes.

- The fringes of that gateway?

- The fringes of
the places in between.

- So Somerset is
a liminal place?

- Yeah

I will say, when I was editing the
footage, I noticed that Dana used

a very similar expression in the tin can
tunnel while doing the Estes method

when asked about where
we should use the tones.

- Where do we use this?
That's the question.

- We're a bit
overwhelmed at the moment

- In the space between.

- In the space between.
- ooof...

Obviously we've all got a lot
of liminality on the brain right now.

And, I've seen that clip before,
probably a couple of times,

watching through the whole thing.

But, that's purely a subconscious thing
at work, because that was not

a connection that I had ever made.

What happened
to Indrid Cold?

Give me a sec.

- There may be a book, that's
present in that room,

there could be a sudden
video that begins playing?

- Yeah, I've been using the books

- Send the signal now,
whether it is now, later,

in a dream, an inspiration, or a
sudden idea in the days to come,

that clue will unravel, that your
subconscious mind will go to the puzzle

and begin to put the pieces together.

- What happened
to David Christie?

- I feel like he keeps
saying that he's dead.

- Who keeps saying that he's dead?

- I check the books, and I wait
to see what text shows up.

During the hypnosis experiment,
we start hearing these noises,

upstairs. And it sounds
almost like footsteps.

But it didn't sound
like the normal creaking

that we had gotten
used to around the cabin,

the settling noises. It seemed like
while Karl was under,

like the place was coming alive.

- If Hellier is a gateway,
Somerset is at the fringe,

What are the goblins?

- Gatekeepers

They're, around those spaces.

- Are they there to keep us out?
Or show us the way in?

- They're more of a byproduct.

- The gate exists,
so a gatekeeper exists in turn?

- Yeah

- Do they have to be appeased,
or receive offerings,

or some sort of signal to allow
access to those gates?

- They have to be summoned?

with... bread?

- And how does that work?

- They're the minions
of the something

- Just, you leave it for em

- So offerings of bread

- I guess.

- If not who we're supposed to talk to,
what are we supposed to do?

- You're supposed to
find the fountain.

- How will we know if it's
the correct fountain?

- I don't know

- Karl, I've got one final task
for you in this place,

you may want to go through that door
again, one more time,

that ladder, that gateway,
to access some place.

It may be the same,
it may be different,

a place you can speak to,
and communicate with

any of your allies and guardians,

or any being that may be there to
communicate with you now.

Have you gone into that other place?

- Yeah

- And is there someone or something
there that you can communicate

with, waiting for you?

- Yeah

- Ask them...

...for a sign. Ask them to affect
something in our physical world.

And have them tell you now how
we will know that it is them.

Can they do that for us?

- He says
it's gonna be big.

- And how will we know it was them?

- You'll know.

- They're not sharing any more
details than "it's going to be big"?

- I mean I got like a mental picture
of, like all the windows exploding

- And who are you talking to?

- It's, like a large praying mantis.

- Communicating in symbol? Words?

- Yeah, he can talk.

Although, my mind kind of
jumps to the answer.

- Again, something big,
and windows exploding.

- Yeah, it's like a sign, just like...
powerful you know?

- If they have a symbol,
or something we can call on them,

ask them to please share that symbol now.

I dunno, I'm kinda getting like, like
a pyramid with a light coming out of it.

Like in, Vegas

It feels like, like something complex is
trying to be shown to me, but it's...

- Does it feel too complex?
In this place and in this time?

To fully comprehend?

- Yeah

- Thank them for their presence. Come
back to your room of peace and power.

In a moment, I'm going to
count from one to five.

One

Know that you can access
this place in your mind any time.

Two

Know now that you have the power to
relax simply by willing it to be so.

Three

You are connected to your allies,
your guards, and your guardians.

Four

Karl, take a good deep breath in.

And five. Whenever you are
ready, you may open your eyes.

How'd you like that?

- It was... that was alright.
- Yeah, I think you did a great job.

- Thanks.
- You're welcome.

- That was weird.

I'm still not really sure what I think
about the hypnosis experiment,

It... was... really uncomfortable.
And really frustrating.

But it's really hard, I was basically just
trying to like, get into a trance state,

and then almost do word association.
Anything that was said,

I would just try to take the first
thing that popped into my head.

Literally just trying to like, remove my
conscious mind from the situation.

So any time I got something kind of random
and weird, or just spat something out,

that's usually interesting. You know like
that was the closest we could get

to what I think we were trying to do.

- Yeah, it's tough too to separate like
my conscious mind from it too, I was...

- I could notice
you doing that, yeah.

- How did you feel about like
the symbolism of the fountain,

around that area, do
you remember that?

- The fountain popped in, it felt, in my
brain it was like, almost like a...

like one of those, like stone,
like fountain, in a cave...

Or...
- Ok...

- A stream, like a fountain of a
stream start maybe in a cave,

and then that fountain
in like a square,

like a landmark kind of thing that
if we came across one at a certain point

it would be like "there's the fount.."
ya know that sort of thing.

- I'll tell you something I
absolutely love about our town,

is it seems like it was founded
on the same strangeness,

our well, I can't remember what
year it's founded, it was founded at, but

it was our main well for the whole area
and it now has this bell on it that says

"anyone who drinks from this water
shall always return to Somerset"

There were two things that
came out of my hypnosis session

that showed up two days later.

I had described a pyramid shape,
and a fountain or a spring.

Wow, so was this like a
natural spring? Is the idea that it was

Yeah
healing water or something?

Yeah this was where everyone
in the town and this was also our like,

- meeting place.
- Make a wish, take a drink.

Have wisdom
and return to Somerset

Yeah wow!
Look at that!

Whoever drinks from the old
town spring will have wisdom

and will always return to Somerset.

Two days later Kyle takes us down
to this old decrepit city center,

and right there is a pyramid,
and a spring,

which almost kind of looked like
a fountain if you flipped it over,

that might have been a fountain
at a certain point earlier.

It's basically, what
came up in my session.

The pyramid even had an eye
etched in it, like an all seeing eye,

which was one of the
impressions that I got.

I don't know what this means,
it wasn't like an ahha! moment,

I didn't even kind of realize it
at the time until I put the pieces

together later. But it does seem
to suggest, perhaps, that there's

something more happening than just
getting in touch with my subconscious

to get it's opinions about this case.

So this used to be a well,
and then he just put the bell in there?

Yeah.

I mean, looking at it I wouldn't
be surprised if there used to be

- a fountain in there.
- Yeah.

It seemed like there was
something, perhaps more psychical,

or perhaps something
was communicating,

and that that area, if not the
center of Somerset, was important.

As early as the 1950's, a man by the
name of Williamson was claiming

telepathic contact with beings on Sirius,
some of it by means of an alleged

intergalactic radio which he demonstrated
to followers at his Telonic Research

Center in Prescott, Arizona.
Literally have a note here,

- Estes method?
- An intergalactic radio?!

- Like this?!
- Exactly.

This, idea, continuously pops up
over and over and over

in everything I've been reading.

Contactee cases, they talk about,
I think there's a book called UFOs Speak?

It's all about how they used a radio,
tuned between stations, that would...

basically cause a psychic
connection with them.

Whoever they are. Again,
sounds a lot like the Estes method.

In fact, the man who popularized the
Men in Black, Albert Bender, a magician,

people don't really realize this,
he was doing rituals in his apartment,

and then was visited by three men, all
dressed in black, and, they told him

you can contact us by tuning
your radio between the stations,

it allows us to come, in and out.
Another weird Estes method thing.

I don't like ghost boxes,
that's part of the reason

why I like the Estes method so much,

I don't really care for ghost boxes,
but there is genuinely something

very strange about
the boxes that Frank built.

We...

attempted to do an Estes method
with one a few weeks ago

and it was straight up weird.

Alright..

It was like this really
loud scream sound

My head is going waaw, waaw,
waaw, waaw...

Nope!

- What happened?
- I'm done for the night.

It's nothing like, I've ever experienced
with just doing the Estes method

using an SB7. Like it's a
very different experience.

For me, using the Frank's box, it
felt like a whole body experience,

so like, lots of tingling sensations,
lots of feelings of being kind of

swept up into a current.

The Frank's box is an early version of
the same type of equipment that we use

for the Estes method. It is a box
built by the name of Frank Sumption,

and they were created, Frank believes,
under the influence of extraterrestrials.

And they're incredibly rare.

I think I was just looking the
other day and I think Frank only made,

he made less than two hundred
of these things before he died.

And, he didn't sell them. He only gave
them to people that he felt were right.

And, the fact that we ended up with one,
literally days before we were,

going to Somerset, it felt like we were
supposed to use the Frank's box...

with the Estes method.
In Somerset.

You're dazzled.

Dazzle?

Multiple people, right now.

You're closer.

It was weird, he, he
adopted this very strange accent

that we really, none of us could figure
out what it was, but it was consistent

throughout the entire thing
which I thought was interesting.

It, it was actually kind of scary.
Partially through,

part of the way through it, I started
to get a little bit concerned about

whether or not he was sort of
getting in a little too deep.

Can you tell us who you are?

How we should refer to you?

Names are really
important to us.

We thank you.

Seems like there's a
couple of aspects here,

there's the potential, for physical
beings, in these caves,

and there's a potential for contact,
with the higher phenomena.

Are we correct in that thesis?

Sounds like Connor-Connor.
Two repeats, Connor-Connor.

Coner Conard?

Coner Conard that's
what I was thinking.

We're a little confused because we
keep feeling like this thread with

Indrid Cold and, his
crew and his family..

This is just a blip.

- It feels like that thread is done.
- Mmhm

- And we don't know what to make
of all this information, about...

Indrid, and Karl and Coner...
Coner and Conard...

What are we supposed to
do with that information?

- Leave it alone!
Trust it.

You point to the story.

Try not to ruin, the story.

I guess we're tearing apart
the old contactee...stuff?

Not really tearing it apart
I think we're doing it a justice...

About me

Who are you?

If we're gonna tell your story, properly,

we need to know whose
story we're telling.

- I always talked about peace.
For years.

- Is it, Indrid? I'm thinking it's
Indrid. The whole time I'm feeling

like this is Indrid.

- It's crazy.

- It sounds more like Terry's Indrid.
- Mmhm

- Than Derenberger's Indrid. It
sounds like scarier Indrid.

- He is one

- Ok.

- If this is...
- Why is it taking this route?

- Are you stuck?
- Your name?

- You want our name?

- I'm Greg, this is Dana,
this is Karl, and this is Connor.

What's your name?

- My name, is, Michael.

- My god...

- Thank you Michael
- Hi...

- It's nice to meet you

- We are, w, we are,
- we are "w"?

- Are sun.

- Michael where are you from?
Maybe that'll help.

Where are you from Michael?

We're from here, Earth, if
you're not here.

Specifically in Kentucky, in the,
United States of America...

- Sunny

- What? What is that?
- The talisman.

- The talisman?

- And

- What do you look like?
Would we recognize you if we saw you?

- The angel.

- I knew that's what it was!
I was, that was my next fuckin question.

I knew it!

- That's a big... big..

- I gave Tyler a blessed medallion of
Saint Michael the archangel

- I know.
- You gave him that one?

- Three days ago.

I thought that it would be fun if I
brought something from my faith

background of Catholicism.
I, had chosen a little medallion,

a little talisman per se, with depictions
of different patron saints on them.

And I gave Tyler a
medallion of Saint Michael.

Why are you here with us?

- He's part of this

- Michael do you understand that we need
to know that this is the right thing to do

- The process...
Believe it.

Connor...

You're...are...

Wig, out.

Yes I am!

Yes I am! You know what,
alright, thanks guys!

I don't wanna go inside by myself.
Alright...

- Alright listen...
- wait, wait, should Connor be calm?

- Is everything ok?
- Do I need to calm down?

- Don't you believe,
in magic?

- Well?

- I don't know sometimes...

I believe in God,
I believe in good things,

I believe that there's magical
things in the world too, yes.

- I feel, full, of adrenaline.

- We're happy to...
- It feels really good.

- I almost feel
like I'm in a fight.

- Hoooly shit did you
just hear that?

That was something climbing, either
over the ledge down there,

or falling off the ledge down there.
Right underneath Tyler.

I thought maybe something...
- I feel, I felt something

touch my calf, almost like something
twisted around it like a rope.

- It was like "tsstsstss"
that's what it sounded like.

I thought something fell off behind him.

- Chill, just everybody
calm down for a second.

- I don't see anything down there.

- He, he doesn't feel agitated so
I think we should let him go

for a few more minutes.
- Yeah.

- This is, really weird.
- This is really interesting

- Have we ever met you or
talked to you before?

Are you someone that we're
familiar with already?

- Aagh, I'm getting really warm.
I'm shaky. It's hard to focus.

- He might, it might be time to
start thinking about pulling him out.

If he's having a hard time focusing...
Should we take Tyler out?

- I have to calm...

- Alright well thank you for, we
welcome good interaction,

and good intentions.
- Thank you for..

- Man...

- Let's pull him out, before he like,
passes out or...

- Can we speak with you again soon?

- Fuck!

- Ok pull him out

- Are you ok?
- Yeah!

- You ok? What happened?

- Hold on...

I don't know, this is
a lot of adrenaline.

It feels, hah, it felt good, but right
at the end, right before you tapped it,

It's almost like it, um, made itself
clear that it, it started going "GUGUGUGU"

like just repeated like loud, pumps,
that was like a full body thing

- Breathe, take a
big deep breath.

- You're alright

- You listened to a
weird thing for a long time.

- How was it?
Did it yield anything?

- It was... It was one of the weirder
sessions I've heard, ever...

Such a jarring transition,
when you're pulled from the space.

Especially with, what happened to
me inside of this space,

so you go from experiencing this energy
that feels like it's ripping you apart

and then all of a sudden
you're on a porch.

You're on a porch in the middle
of the woods in Kentucky.

And he'd never had
a session like that before.

And that lent itself to the idea
that maybe there was something,

a lot bigger than a usual
Estes method session happening.

I've never experienced
anything like that.

I myself am not a religious person.

That's not to say that I don't put value
or power, in what would be considered

some type of angelic entity.

I think all of those things
are part of this.

I think...
One man's angel is another man's alien

Everything that we'd been working
on, everything that we'd been doing,

pointed to us doing a ritual.

You know, for all we knew
we were already in the middle of one,

we just needed to make it official.

It felt, very fitting, to smash all of
that together, apply what we can,

and try to draw that phenomena to us.
And make something happen.

So...

We decided that we
would go into one of these caves...

and... invoke the god Pan.