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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,973 --> 00:00:10,551 Previously, on "The Thing About Pam"... 2 00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:12,708 This time chemo wasn't bad. 3 00:00:12,925 --> 00:00:14,669 I feel kinda good. 4 00:00:14,753 --> 00:00:17,107 So what happened to Betsy? 5 00:00:17,191 --> 00:00:19,196 Some kind of accident or something? 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,059 She's not accidentally dead. 7 00:00:21,238 --> 00:00:23,113 She's not naturally dead. 8 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:25,202 Some lady on Sumac got stabbed, 9 00:00:25,286 --> 00:00:27,856 20, maybe 60 times. 10 00:00:27,940 --> 00:00:30,163 Textbook spousal homicide. 11 00:00:30,263 --> 00:00:33,543 He was kinda not nice verbally to her. 12 00:00:33,668 --> 00:00:35,458 Real aggressive. 13 00:00:35,636 --> 00:00:37,239 Pam is a good person. 14 00:00:37,324 --> 00:00:39,817 And I just don't care for his type. 15 00:00:44,087 --> 00:00:47,441 A grieving family is a family in need, 16 00:00:47,525 --> 00:00:50,836 and Pam is all helping hands. 17 00:00:53,401 --> 00:00:56,015 Who would think such a nice lady 18 00:00:56,099 --> 00:00:58,614 was there to help herself? 19 00:00:59,146 --> 00:01:00,933 God, such a hassle. 20 00:01:01,017 --> 00:01:04,012 All those people in your hair on a day like this. 21 00:01:04,122 --> 00:01:05,804 You need a pick-me-up. 22 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:08,506 Aunt Tammy, 23 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:10,377 I've been trying to call my dad all day 24 00:01:10,461 --> 00:01:12,270 and he's not answering. 25 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:14,497 Bet they took his phone. 26 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:17,536 Why... why would they take his phone? 27 00:01:20,241 --> 00:01:21,419 I'm gonna go find him. 28 00:01:21,504 --> 00:01:23,833 Sweetie, sweetie. Why don't you stay? 29 00:01:24,173 --> 00:01:25,577 No. He's... he's all alone. 30 00:01:25,662 --> 00:01:27,646 Two sugars, right? 31 00:01:28,175 --> 00:01:30,373 I'll just have a little cream. Thanks. 32 00:01:30,482 --> 00:01:31,964 I wouldn't worry too much about Russ. 33 00:01:32,048 --> 00:01:35,506 You know, they always look at the husband first. 34 00:01:36,705 --> 00:01:38,402 Big surprise. 35 00:01:39,432 --> 00:01:41,537 You're not surprised they got Russ? 36 00:01:42,910 --> 00:01:44,741 He could be scary. 37 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,102 Oh, I know. 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,459 One time he said, "You women are such asses." 39 00:01:48,543 --> 00:01:50,156 And I was like, "Excuse me, 40 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,897 "just trying to get directions to the house. 41 00:01:51,981 --> 00:01:53,857 No need for that." 42 00:01:53,974 --> 00:01:55,553 One time he chased my ex-boyfriend 43 00:01:55,637 --> 00:01:57,670 out the house with a baseball bat. 44 00:01:58,177 --> 00:01:59,616 - No. - Yeah. 45 00:01:59,771 --> 00:02:01,776 Lord knows Russ isn't perfect, 46 00:02:01,860 --> 00:02:04,736 but don't go around saying that the police have got him. 47 00:02:04,820 --> 00:02:08,174 We just don't need the whole town talking like he... 48 00:02:08,258 --> 00:02:10,045 Like he... 49 00:02:11,408 --> 00:02:13,239 Oh, there will be talk. 50 00:02:13,394 --> 00:02:15,232 A whole lot of talk 51 00:02:15,420 --> 00:02:19,021 from some more than others. 52 00:02:21,261 --> 00:02:23,318 *A THING ABOUT PAM Season 01 Episode 02 53 00:02:23,688 --> 00:02:25,389 Episode Title: " She's a Helper" Aired on: March 15, 2022. 54 00:02:26,624 --> 00:02:30,099 What does a lie look like anyway? 55 00:02:30,454 --> 00:02:33,896 Is it a line on a graph? 56 00:02:34,415 --> 00:02:36,990 Did you kill Betsy Faria? 57 00:02:37,244 --> 00:02:39,052 No. 58 00:02:39,550 --> 00:02:42,490 Do you know who killed Betsy Faria? 59 00:02:43,513 --> 00:02:45,482 No. 60 00:02:46,896 --> 00:02:50,521 Is today December 28th, 2011? 61 00:02:52,065 --> 00:02:53,927 Yes. 62 00:02:57,036 --> 00:02:59,209 I think we got what we need. 63 00:03:22,249 --> 00:03:24,584 I... I, uh... 64 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:28,896 I need to see my dad, Russ Faria. 65 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:31,479 Um, he's gonna be back there for a while. 66 00:03:31,602 --> 00:03:33,341 I wouldn't bother waiting. 67 00:03:37,913 --> 00:03:39,756 Hi, I'm Russ Faria's daughter. 68 00:03:39,841 --> 00:03:42,021 I'm looking for my dad and... 69 00:03:54,294 --> 00:03:56,685 Got the results of your polygraph back. 70 00:03:57,106 --> 00:03:58,451 Whoo. 71 00:03:58,991 --> 00:04:00,169 You failed. 72 00:04:00,370 --> 00:04:02,245 Epically. 100%. 73 00:04:02,427 --> 00:04:03,942 I did? 74 00:04:04,302 --> 00:04:05,726 You may as well confess, 75 00:04:05,810 --> 00:04:08,860 make everything easier on yourself. 76 00:04:08,944 --> 00:04:11,131 I don't even know why I'm here. 77 00:04:11,294 --> 00:04:13,908 Well, I guess this is gonna take a while. 78 00:04:34,251 --> 00:04:35,342 All right, Russ. 79 00:04:35,427 --> 00:04:37,217 Let's go over this one more time. 80 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:40,761 Can a lie be detected by a machine 81 00:04:40,845 --> 00:04:44,005 or squeezed out under pressure? 82 00:04:44,336 --> 00:04:46,994 It's been 24 hours. You have to let him go. 83 00:04:47,419 --> 00:04:50,341 And get us something we can use to bring him back for good. 84 00:04:50,722 --> 00:04:54,860 Can a lie sneak into our lives like a Trojan horse 85 00:04:55,029 --> 00:04:57,716 without us even knowing it's there? 86 00:04:57,971 --> 00:05:00,591 Or is a lie more like a virus 87 00:05:00,691 --> 00:05:04,356 spread through the air from one person to the next? 88 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:07,919 So I was at Betsy's mom's and Russ wasn't around. 89 00:05:08,003 --> 00:05:10,348 So they must still be holding him. 90 00:05:10,805 --> 00:05:13,289 You know what that means. 91 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:16,153 We're looking closely at him. 92 00:05:16,633 --> 00:05:18,812 You really think he did it. 93 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:26,499 The DA told my mom everything points to Russ. 94 00:05:26,891 --> 00:05:30,202 Mm-hmm. How 'bout that 911 call? 95 00:05:30,286 --> 00:05:31,508 Crying like a baby. 96 00:05:31,592 --> 00:05:33,336 I mean, I could act better than that 97 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:36,292 and I'm only second semester theater. 98 00:05:37,075 --> 00:05:39,951 Listen, Janet. I apologize. 99 00:05:40,035 --> 00:05:42,345 We don't have enough to charge him yet, 100 00:05:42,429 --> 00:05:44,835 but the detectives are close. 101 00:05:44,985 --> 00:05:47,663 You get him, Ms. Askey. 102 00:05:48,609 --> 00:05:50,719 I'm not sure what you mean 103 00:05:50,804 --> 00:05:52,819 you don't have enough to charge him. 104 00:05:53,091 --> 00:05:54,444 Uh... 105 00:05:54,528 --> 00:05:57,534 I need probable cause for the judge. 106 00:05:57,618 --> 00:06:01,921 So like, a witness, evidence, stuff like that? 107 00:06:02,274 --> 00:06:03,672 Yeah, stuff like that. 108 00:06:03,757 --> 00:06:05,716 Uh, listen, Janet, you will be the first person 109 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,370 to find out when we make the arrest. 110 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:09,514 And again, I am so sorry, okay? 111 00:06:09,599 --> 00:06:11,123 Bye now. 112 00:06:13,068 --> 00:06:15,334 Sorry, but she's wrong. 113 00:06:15,418 --> 00:06:18,116 Why would the police lie? 114 00:06:19,021 --> 00:06:21,077 He's out now though, right? 115 00:06:21,598 --> 00:06:22,820 Whoa. Whoa, whoa. 116 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:24,430 - Oh, I am... - I mean... 117 00:06:24,514 --> 00:06:26,780 I'm sorry, sweetheart. 118 00:06:27,103 --> 00:06:29,491 You can't see Russ anymore. 119 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:32,336 That's not a good idea. 120 00:06:34,243 --> 00:06:36,233 I can't see my dad? 121 00:06:37,288 --> 00:06:39,728 And I'll never see my mom again. 122 00:06:40,008 --> 00:06:44,581 So what, you're just gonna make me like... like an orphan? 123 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:46,853 Well, he's not your real dad. 124 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:53,954 He's the only dad I ever knew. 125 00:06:54,345 --> 00:06:57,009 Well, you got your grandmother. 126 00:07:01,705 --> 00:07:04,087 She was tired. 127 00:07:05,381 --> 00:07:06,860 You just let her leave. 128 00:07:07,017 --> 00:07:08,939 She should have stayed with us. 129 00:07:09,882 --> 00:07:11,939 I know sweetie. 130 00:07:12,823 --> 00:07:17,980 I... I didn't get my hug. 131 00:07:22,564 --> 00:07:25,440 Can a lie be folded into a hug... 132 00:07:31,651 --> 00:07:35,199 Even from the ones you trust? 133 00:07:39,763 --> 00:07:41,725 - Hello? - Hey. 134 00:07:41,809 --> 00:07:44,989 Um, a detective called 135 00:07:45,073 --> 00:07:47,165 and he wants to come by and talk to me. 136 00:07:47,249 --> 00:07:49,428 - When? - Couple days. 137 00:07:49,512 --> 00:07:51,735 Could you make it any sooner? 138 00:07:51,819 --> 00:07:54,215 Well, we have that big mold inspection tomorrow. 139 00:07:54,299 --> 00:07:56,043 We'll reschedule it, Mark. 140 00:07:56,127 --> 00:07:58,655 Pretty sure the police need our help. 141 00:08:10,304 --> 00:08:11,653 Back in 2007, 142 00:08:11,738 --> 00:08:14,410 Betsy's light shined on Pam. 143 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:17,369 They were friends, good friends. 144 00:08:17,453 --> 00:08:21,765 Pam even asked Betsy to DJ her daughter's wedding. 145 00:08:21,849 --> 00:08:23,723 Hey, Travis! 146 00:08:23,807 --> 00:08:25,159 Travis! 147 00:08:25,243 --> 00:08:28,424 Come "Hokey Pokey" with your mom! 148 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,904 Boo! 149 00:08:33,338 --> 00:08:35,561 Can we get the bride up in here? 150 00:08:37,778 --> 00:08:40,044 - Yay! - Yeah, Sarah! 151 00:08:40,128 --> 00:08:42,089 Everybody, backside! 152 00:08:42,173 --> 00:08:46,180 Pam took pride in making all the right moves. 153 00:08:46,264 --> 00:08:49,619 A purposeful choreography through life. 154 00:08:49,703 --> 00:08:51,272 Look at that mama of the bride! 155 00:08:51,356 --> 00:08:53,753 Who knew she could get down like this? 156 00:08:53,837 --> 00:08:55,146 Well, Sarah didn't. 157 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:56,785 She didn't want me to pay you, Bets. 158 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:58,379 She said we could just use an iPod. 159 00:08:58,464 --> 00:08:59,977 Mom! 160 00:09:00,061 --> 00:09:02,327 Well, happy to give you the friend rate. 161 00:09:02,411 --> 00:09:04,024 No, no, no. You get full pay. 162 00:09:04,108 --> 00:09:07,112 I was telling her, Bets needs the work. 163 00:09:07,197 --> 00:09:09,363 Pam, why don't you just go ahead and give me the mic. 164 00:09:09,448 --> 00:09:10,596 I'm so sorry, Betsy. 165 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:11,684 For what? 166 00:09:11,768 --> 00:09:13,556 I'm paying for this whole shebang. 167 00:09:17,252 --> 00:09:18,648 Hey, you know what? 168 00:09:18,732 --> 00:09:20,954 I'm so happy to be here. 169 00:09:21,038 --> 00:09:22,869 We're having a good time. 170 00:09:22,953 --> 00:09:26,525 This... this gig's on me. 171 00:09:26,609 --> 00:09:30,094 No. Really? No charge? 172 00:09:30,178 --> 00:09:31,617 No charge. 173 00:09:31,701 --> 00:09:33,576 Congratulations, Sarah. 174 00:09:35,923 --> 00:09:38,015 Okay, everybody. Here we go. 175 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:39,930 Put your whole self in. 176 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:42,672 ♪ Put your whole self in, put your whole self out ♪ 177 00:09:42,756 --> 00:09:44,061 They say when someone 178 00:09:44,146 --> 00:09:45,805 shows you who they are, 179 00:09:45,889 --> 00:09:48,155 believe it. 180 00:09:48,239 --> 00:09:50,941 But would Lincoln County detectives see Pam 181 00:09:51,025 --> 00:09:52,377 and believe her? 182 00:09:52,461 --> 00:09:54,248 You boys want a cookie? 183 00:09:54,332 --> 00:09:56,207 I'm baking up a storm for the holidays. 184 00:09:56,291 --> 00:09:57,861 - I don't mind if I do. - Oh. 185 00:09:57,945 --> 00:10:00,472 No need to take up any of your time, Mrs. Hupp. 186 00:10:00,556 --> 00:10:03,083 We only need to talk to your husband. 187 00:10:03,167 --> 00:10:05,605 Sure. No problem. 188 00:10:11,654 --> 00:10:14,399 Okay, so, Mr. Hupp, on the night of the 27th, 189 00:10:14,483 --> 00:10:17,094 - you were at home? - Yes. 190 00:10:19,749 --> 00:10:23,147 Oh, you play ball? 191 00:10:23,231 --> 00:10:24,801 AAA down in Florida. 192 00:10:24,885 --> 00:10:26,019 Oh. 193 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:28,761 - Till he threw out his arm. - Mm. 194 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:33,984 Um... 195 00:10:34,068 --> 00:10:38,463 hon, why don't you play that voicemail Betsy left ya? 196 00:10:42,337 --> 00:10:45,256 Happy Christmas, Mark. Hope you're good. 197 00:10:45,340 --> 00:10:48,999 Thanks for loaning me Pam. 198 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:51,871 So full of life. 199 00:10:51,955 --> 00:10:54,961 That was 7:00? Mm. 200 00:10:55,045 --> 00:10:58,486 - Yep, 7:04. - Mm, mm. 201 00:10:58,570 --> 00:11:00,271 So I take it you knew Betsy then. 202 00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:02,273 Through Pam. 203 00:11:02,357 --> 00:11:03,666 Didn't know Russ though. 204 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:06,233 Who did, honestly? 205 00:11:06,317 --> 00:11:08,279 I've been through how many of their separations 206 00:11:08,363 --> 00:11:12,239 and I'm still on the tip of the iceberg over here. 207 00:11:12,323 --> 00:11:16,414 And just some of the stuff she'd say. 208 00:11:19,113 --> 00:11:21,727 Did you guys ever find that letter 209 00:11:21,811 --> 00:11:25,380 that Betsy was writing? 210 00:11:26,169 --> 00:11:28,522 - No. - Oh. 211 00:11:28,607 --> 00:11:30,040 Some of the officers the other day 212 00:11:30,124 --> 00:11:32,216 seemed really interested. 213 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:34,610 Kept asking me. 214 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:38,657 Um, it was just some letter or something 215 00:11:38,741 --> 00:11:41,094 that Bets was gonna email to tell me about 216 00:11:41,178 --> 00:11:43,444 something Russ did to her. 217 00:11:43,528 --> 00:11:46,273 I don't know if she deleted it or whatever. 218 00:11:46,357 --> 00:11:47,623 Why would she email it to you 219 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:51,365 versus talking to you about it? 220 00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:54,455 Uh, I mean, 221 00:11:54,539 --> 00:11:56,283 Betsy emailed all the time. 222 00:11:56,367 --> 00:11:59,112 You know, she emailed people. 223 00:11:59,196 --> 00:12:01,854 She'd email about this and that and just general stuff. 224 00:12:01,938 --> 00:12:04,465 You know, she loved email. 225 00:12:04,549 --> 00:12:08,992 Knowing Bets, uh, she probably got charged to text, 226 00:12:09,076 --> 00:12:11,211 so that's why email. 227 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:13,997 Save the money. 228 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:15,825 Got it. 229 00:12:15,909 --> 00:12:18,044 Do you know what was in this email? 230 00:12:18,128 --> 00:12:20,830 Russ started playing this game 231 00:12:20,914 --> 00:12:23,833 of putting a pillow over her face. 232 00:12:23,917 --> 00:12:26,357 And he'd say this is what it's gonna feel like 233 00:12:26,441 --> 00:12:30,883 when you die or whatever. Um, 234 00:12:30,967 --> 00:12:33,669 I didn't really know the guy, 235 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:37,673 but just from what Bets said, 236 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,763 he seemed sorta... 237 00:12:40,847 --> 00:12:43,156 - Abusive? - Real abusive. 238 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,436 - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. 239 00:12:44,521 --> 00:12:46,682 Yeah. 240 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:48,292 And I was like, well, email it to me. 241 00:12:48,376 --> 00:12:50,468 But I never got it. 242 00:12:50,552 --> 00:12:52,949 And would you be willing to testify to all this? 243 00:12:53,033 --> 00:12:57,823 If you think it'd be helpful. 244 00:13:07,699 --> 00:13:11,097 Tina, call the judge! 245 00:13:11,181 --> 00:13:13,488 We have our probable cause. 246 00:13:16,273 --> 00:13:17,843 So you given any more thought 247 00:13:17,927 --> 00:13:19,845 to your cousin's offer? 248 00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:21,804 Joel, that's the lawyer, 249 00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:24,371 he said that you would be the one 250 00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:26,460 to have to contact him first. 251 00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:27,853 I don't know. 252 00:13:27,937 --> 00:13:29,725 Feels like getting a lawyer means 253 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,727 that I'm somebody who needs a lawyer, you know? 254 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:35,600 - I just... - I just want to get past this. 255 00:13:35,684 --> 00:13:37,254 Mom, come on. You can do that later. 256 00:13:37,338 --> 00:13:39,169 Otherwise, it'll stick. 257 00:13:39,253 --> 00:13:40,518 Are you gonna do these dishes? 258 00:13:40,602 --> 00:13:42,389 Sorry, what? Didn't get that. 259 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:45,218 Sheriff's Department! 260 00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:52,356 Russell Faria, you're under arrest 261 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,532 for the murder of Betsy Faria. 262 00:13:54,616 --> 00:13:56,403 - It's okay. - No! 263 00:13:56,487 --> 00:13:59,015 Ah... 264 00:13:59,099 --> 00:14:00,396 Get up. 265 00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:03,846 Russ, it's okay! 266 00:14:17,204 --> 00:14:18,774 I want a lawyer. 267 00:14:24,298 --> 00:14:26,694 He rolled in from the city, 268 00:14:26,778 --> 00:14:29,393 a busy man from a high-rise firm in St. Louis. 269 00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:32,875 Russ' new lawyer, Joel Schwartz 270 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,486 was about to encounter... 271 00:14:35,570 --> 00:14:38,576 Well, he had no idea. 272 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:40,752 Green Gables? 273 00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:42,145 It's not even green. 274 00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:46,236 Wait, it's not? I Yelped and... 275 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,109 And this definitely looked like the best hotel in town. 276 00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:54,592 Um, but there is a... A Holiday Inn down the 47. 277 00:14:54,676 --> 00:14:57,725 - Do you want me to check that? - What color are their gables? 278 00:14:57,809 --> 00:15:00,032 I can check. 279 00:15:00,116 --> 00:15:01,773 Oh, you're kidding. 280 00:15:01,857 --> 00:15:03,209 - Yeah, I'm kidding. - Oh, right. 281 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:04,677 It's our first day working together. 282 00:15:04,761 --> 00:15:05,733 You get a pass. 283 00:15:05,817 --> 00:15:07,637 Hey, I just got a probable cause statement 284 00:15:07,722 --> 00:15:10,086 from the Lincoln County Sheriff's office. 285 00:15:10,170 --> 00:15:11,739 Looks like an eight-year-old wrote it. 286 00:15:11,823 --> 00:15:14,090 There's gotta be a more substantial report coming. 287 00:15:14,174 --> 00:15:16,788 Should we wait before we sit down with Russell then? 288 00:15:16,872 --> 00:15:18,921 No. No. We've got a guy with a temper, 289 00:15:19,005 --> 00:15:20,226 volatile relationship, 290 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:22,272 marriage breaking up, getting back together. 291 00:15:22,356 --> 00:15:25,536 And strangers don't stab their victims 50 plus times. 292 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:28,278 So, uh, I take it you've represented 293 00:15:28,362 --> 00:15:31,281 a lot of guys like Russ then before. 294 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:32,586 Oh, yeah. 295 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:35,546 - Oh, yeah, it's kinda my jam. - Yeah, mine too. 296 00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:37,548 Um, you know, I think so. 297 00:15:37,632 --> 00:15:41,508 Because this is my first murder trial. 298 00:15:41,592 --> 00:15:44,381 In my experience, the stats aren't wrong. 299 00:15:44,465 --> 00:15:46,035 We got the husband of the victim here. 300 00:15:46,119 --> 00:15:48,037 - Right. - Right? 301 00:15:57,652 --> 00:15:58,961 Hey, Pam, you heard? 302 00:15:59,045 --> 00:16:01,311 Betsy Faria's husband got arrested. 303 00:16:01,395 --> 00:16:02,616 No way. 304 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,923 Mm-hmm. News just said so. 305 00:16:05,007 --> 00:16:06,142 He goes to my sister's church. 306 00:16:06,226 --> 00:16:08,318 Can you believe that? 307 00:16:08,402 --> 00:16:09,972 I guess you never know what's going on 308 00:16:10,056 --> 00:16:11,495 inside other people's houses. 309 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,940 We're here to see Russ Faria. 310 00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:24,287 He's in holding. You can wait over there. 311 00:16:25,941 --> 00:16:27,595 Hey, excuse me. 312 00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:30,122 You can't go in there. 313 00:16:30,206 --> 00:16:31,123 Why are you talking to my client 314 00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:33,299 after he asked for a lawyer? 315 00:16:33,383 --> 00:16:34,689 Huh? 316 00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:41,090 That's him. That's Joel Schwartz. 317 00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:42,961 I like his style. 318 00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:45,311 He looks like Tom Hanks from "Splash." 319 00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:46,704 How much do you think that haircut cost? 320 00:16:46,788 --> 00:16:49,533 He already put in a request for evidence. 321 00:16:49,617 --> 00:16:51,361 He's good. 322 00:16:51,445 --> 00:16:55,231 We don't let guys like that dick us around, Tina. 323 00:16:57,233 --> 00:16:59,322 Thanks for coming. 324 00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:03,634 Yeah, well, we're here to help you, Russ. 325 00:17:03,718 --> 00:17:05,723 First off, is it true that you talked to the police 326 00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:07,855 for 24 hours straight? 327 00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:10,684 Yeah. 328 00:17:10,768 --> 00:17:13,035 How much did you tell them? 329 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,994 All of it. 330 00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:17,909 All of what? 331 00:17:17,993 --> 00:17:19,342 The truth. 332 00:17:25,348 --> 00:17:29,573 Am I really going to have to go in front of a jury 333 00:17:29,657 --> 00:17:31,575 because you two can't get a confession 334 00:17:31,659 --> 00:17:33,055 out of this maniac? 335 00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:34,404 The guy's a good liar. 336 00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:36,319 He's sticking to his Arby's and game night. 337 00:17:36,403 --> 00:17:38,277 I wish to God I hadn't gone to game night, 338 00:17:38,361 --> 00:17:40,105 but that's where I was, 339 00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:42,151 so how can everybody think I did this? 340 00:17:42,235 --> 00:17:43,587 It doesn't matter what everyone thinks. 341 00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:46,764 It matters what the prosecution can prove. 342 00:17:46,848 --> 00:17:49,245 Wait. 343 00:17:49,329 --> 00:17:52,248 Do you think I killed Betsy? 344 00:17:52,332 --> 00:17:54,076 I don't know what I think yet, Russ. 345 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,294 Okay. 346 00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:59,081 But... don't you have to believe me? 347 00:17:59,165 --> 00:18:01,474 Isn't that, like, part of this? 348 00:18:01,558 --> 00:18:05,391 I'm bumping on the same thing you are. 349 00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:06,784 I'm not even sure why we're sitting here 350 00:18:06,868 --> 00:18:08,742 if your alibi checks out. 351 00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:10,611 Talk to my friends then. 352 00:18:13,831 --> 00:18:15,880 That alibi's still tough to get around. 353 00:18:15,964 --> 00:18:18,970 We could widen the net, look at a few more suspects. 354 00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:20,406 You're the detective, 355 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,886 but just because a pocket square 356 00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:25,194 rolls in from the city doesn't mean that we're wrong. 357 00:18:25,278 --> 00:18:26,456 So what do we have? 358 00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:27,718 There must've been a cleanup. 359 00:18:27,802 --> 00:18:29,981 There wasn't blood on Russ' clothing? 360 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:31,588 Not a drop. 361 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,507 Do we have the luminol photos back? 362 00:18:34,591 --> 00:18:39,208 Those would show if there was blood cleaned up. 363 00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:40,774 Camera malfunctioned. 364 00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,080 Photos showed nothing. 365 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:43,995 Totally blank. 366 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:47,085 Should we take a look just to be sure? 367 00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:48,478 If he says they're blank, they're blank. 368 00:18:48,562 --> 00:18:49,348 What's the point? 369 00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:52,264 Get over here, McCarrick! 370 00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:54,484 This guy stabbed his wife 57 times 371 00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:56,486 and he didn't do it stark naked 372 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:58,444 spraying Lysol out of his ass, 373 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:01,143 so he must've missed a spot. 374 00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:04,146 If you were at game night, 375 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:06,148 then who took Betsy home? 376 00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,671 Her friend, Pam. 377 00:19:07,755 --> 00:19:08,933 Pam. 378 00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:11,501 Why don't you tell me about Pam? 379 00:19:11,585 --> 00:19:13,111 She's... 380 00:19:13,195 --> 00:19:14,547 I don't know. 381 00:19:14,631 --> 00:19:16,549 Nice lady. 382 00:19:16,633 --> 00:19:18,769 "Nice lady." 383 00:19:18,853 --> 00:19:23,034 Okay, and what about your stepdaughter, Lily? 384 00:19:23,118 --> 00:19:24,220 She got an ex-boyfriend? 385 00:19:24,305 --> 00:19:27,082 Oh, he's a huge tool, 386 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,693 but I don't think he could've done this. 387 00:19:29,777 --> 00:19:31,173 Well, we should still check him out 388 00:19:31,257 --> 00:19:34,216 just to dot the Ts and cross the... 389 00:19:37,132 --> 00:19:38,397 Okay, Russ. 390 00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:40,791 Well, that should be enough for us to start. 391 00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:44,186 Whoa. What happens now? 392 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:46,188 Well, you'll be held until trial. 393 00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:49,887 You mean in jail? 394 00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:57,721 Nate and I are gonna sort this out, okay? 395 00:19:57,805 --> 00:20:00,202 In the meantime, you do not talk to the police without me, 396 00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:02,552 you understand? 397 00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:13,563 Why would he ask us 398 00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:15,434 to interview five independent witnesses? 399 00:20:15,518 --> 00:20:17,915 That's just gonna make him look bad. 400 00:20:19,174 --> 00:20:20,439 I'm sorry. 401 00:20:20,523 --> 00:20:22,492 I'm still trying to pick up on your social cues. 402 00:20:22,577 --> 00:20:23,573 What's the sign? 403 00:20:23,657 --> 00:20:25,126 I've represented a lot of guilty people, 404 00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:27,403 but it's the innocent ones that keep me up at night. 405 00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:29,753 Wait, you think that he didn't do this? 406 00:20:33,493 --> 00:20:36,194 I guess the pressure's on now. 407 00:20:38,715 --> 00:20:41,156 If the clothes he was wearing don't have blood on them, 408 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,202 then he must've changed, washed up. 409 00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:45,595 Was there blood in the bathroom? 410 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,727 Did you take apart the shower? 411 00:20:47,811 --> 00:20:49,338 Morning, Leah. 412 00:20:49,422 --> 00:20:51,427 You guys are just sitting around sucking on your thumbs 413 00:20:51,511 --> 00:20:53,472 and you have no confession, which means you've just laid 414 00:20:53,556 --> 00:20:56,388 ten times the amount of work at my feet. 415 00:20:56,472 --> 00:20:59,086 You were just elected DA, what, a month ago? 416 00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:01,567 It shows. 417 00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:03,047 I thought you were excited about the big case. 418 00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:04,788 Well, not if I'm gonna lose. 419 00:21:04,872 --> 00:21:06,790 I have to show people why they elected me. 420 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:10,141 Maybe someone could do a test drive from Arby's. 421 00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:11,969 I saw the receipt. It's timestamped. 422 00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:15,451 Thank you, Tina, who is not a detective. 423 00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:17,888 How could we ever show that it was possible 424 00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:21,283 for Russ to get home from Arby's in time to kill Betsy? 425 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:23,023 He must've gone over the speed limit. 426 00:21:23,107 --> 00:21:24,329 I'll take care of it. 427 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:27,376 Now, you two, please take apart the house 428 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,421 and find me the blood. 429 00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:33,469 11:41 a.m. 430 00:21:33,553 --> 00:21:35,471 Detective Brian McCarrick here. 431 00:21:35,555 --> 00:21:37,864 Leaving Arby's en route to 130 Sumac Drive. 432 00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:06,241 Boom! 433 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,503 Plenty of time to kill you. 434 00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:09,156 Yah! 435 00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:13,549 What the friggin' hell? 436 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:17,164 Ugh! 437 00:22:17,248 --> 00:22:20,124 The entire floor stinks like that? 438 00:22:20,208 --> 00:22:23,606 - Mold. It's bad. - Ugh. 439 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,957 We might have to dip into the Florida money. 440 00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:28,608 It's gone. 441 00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:32,005 All of it? 442 00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,833 How'd you think I paid for that flip house 443 00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:35,095 when we're behind the mortgage here? 444 00:22:35,179 --> 00:22:36,358 - - Well, I... - I don't know. 445 00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:38,838 Maybe your disability money. 446 00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:42,320 I told you about that stupid letter I got, Mark. 447 00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:44,450 They said I don't qualify anymore. 448 00:22:45,625 --> 00:22:48,935 But your bad leg. 449 00:22:49,019 --> 00:22:51,198 Tell it to the man. 450 00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,859 I'll get us the money. 451 00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:12,263 Hey. 452 00:23:12,347 --> 00:23:14,396 I just got back from seeing all those gamer guys. 453 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,311 Super sweet group of dudes. 454 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,270 I've got five people 455 00:23:19,354 --> 00:23:21,794 who said that Russ left at 9:00. 456 00:23:21,878 --> 00:23:23,579 Well, you can't be at game night and the Arby's 457 00:23:23,663 --> 00:23:26,756 at the same time you're killing your wife. 458 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,714 So I was looking at these autopsy... 459 00:23:28,798 --> 00:23:30,107 Do you mind if I show this to you while you're eating lunch? 460 00:23:30,191 --> 00:23:31,151 - No. - Okay. 461 00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:33,893 It looks like there is a bruise 462 00:23:33,977 --> 00:23:36,113 - on Betsy's neck here. - Mm. 463 00:23:36,197 --> 00:23:37,506 And then it looks like the knife 464 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:39,986 was stuck into that same spot 465 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:42,032 after she was dead. 466 00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:44,817 Maybe the bruise means she was strangled first? 467 00:23:44,901 --> 00:23:47,864 And then put the knife there to cover up the fingerprints. 468 00:23:47,948 --> 00:23:50,475 Yeah, it's weird. 469 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,956 She has so many stab wounds on her back, Joel, 470 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,437 but there's no blood on the carpet. 471 00:23:55,521 --> 00:23:56,699 And they're all the same size, 472 00:23:56,783 --> 00:23:59,354 same depth, all made post-mortem. 473 00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:00,920 Methodical, not passionate, 474 00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:02,487 but trying to make it look like that. 475 00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:05,011 Is that the number one criminal defense attorney 476 00:24:05,095 --> 00:24:06,448 in all of St. Louis? 477 00:24:06,532 --> 00:24:08,058 Number two, actually. 478 00:24:08,142 --> 00:24:09,973 - That's right. Number two. - Yeah. 479 00:24:10,057 --> 00:24:11,366 And you must be, 480 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,150 let me guess, our district attorney. 481 00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:14,369 You can call me Leah. 482 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,805 - Leah. Oh, Leah... - Yes. 483 00:24:15,889 --> 00:24:18,329 We still haven't received our luminol photos 484 00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:20,026 from the crime scene. 485 00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:22,768 Photos didn't come out. There was a camera malfunction. 486 00:24:22,852 --> 00:24:24,988 - Oh, well, that's too bad. - Yeah. 487 00:24:25,072 --> 00:24:26,293 We're still gonna need to see those. 488 00:24:26,377 --> 00:24:28,905 And the polygraph results too. 489 00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:31,168 Photos and polygraph coming right up. 490 00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:32,778 Okay. 491 00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,781 Hey, Danny, this one's on me. 492 00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:38,349 They're guests in our town. 493 00:24:38,433 --> 00:24:39,481 Night, boys. 494 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,958 - Thank you. - Thank you. 495 00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:44,660 - Uh... - Oh, boy. 496 00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:47,184 Okay, okay. What's next? 497 00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:48,838 - Let's go to motive to kill. - All right. 498 00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:52,015 So based on the detectives' interviews, 499 00:24:52,099 --> 00:24:53,495 it seems like they're gonna go with the fact 500 00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:55,584 that Russ was this rage monster who snapped... 501 00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:57,803 Askey will go with that, sure, but if she's smart, 502 00:24:57,887 --> 00:24:59,501 she'll pile on a bunch of other reasons. 503 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:00,980 Or it could be insurance. 504 00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:02,417 Do you want me to check to see if Betsy had a policy? 505 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,157 She was terminally ill. 506 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,507 I mean, if he was gonna kill her for the money, 507 00:25:05,591 --> 00:25:08,858 why wouldn't he just wait a couple of months? 508 00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:15,081 What about SODDIs? "Some other dude did it." 509 00:25:15,165 --> 00:25:16,387 - Oh. - Yeah. 510 00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:19,956 I just went through 500 pages 511 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,394 of the daughter's boyfriend's text messages. 512 00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:25,004 - And? - I wouldn't date the guy, 513 00:25:25,088 --> 00:25:27,529 but he didn't kill Betsy. 514 00:25:27,613 --> 00:25:30,183 What about that Pam lady? 515 00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:32,708 I mean, she was the last one to see Betsy alive. 516 00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:34,231 We definitely need to see her cell records. 517 00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:35,711 I have tried. 518 00:25:35,795 --> 00:25:38,235 But the DA doesn't seem to think that we need them. 519 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,106 Yeah, well, that's because Pam doesn't fit into 520 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:41,934 what Askey wants to see. 521 00:25:42,018 --> 00:25:43,414 - That's a good point. - Right? 522 00:25:51,201 --> 00:25:52,728 I have to go home and tuck in the kids 523 00:25:52,812 --> 00:25:55,557 or Chris will get his panties in a twist. 524 00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:57,341 Yeah, we wouldn't want that, would we? 525 00:25:57,425 --> 00:26:00,562 Mm-mm. 526 00:26:00,646 --> 00:26:02,564 Well, let's see. 527 00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:05,697 There's the bloody smear on the light switch. 528 00:26:05,781 --> 00:26:07,786 - Test that against Russ. - Okay. 529 00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:11,747 And then there's the bloody slippers. 530 00:26:11,831 --> 00:26:13,836 That is a wrinkle. 531 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,142 Why would he put his slippers back in the closet 532 00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,840 after he killed her? 533 00:26:17,924 --> 00:26:19,581 And weird that there's blood on the slippers, 534 00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:22,015 but not on his clothes. 535 00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:27,760 Maybe he did kill her naked. 536 00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:31,549 So test that against Russ. Anyone else? 537 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:34,900 Why? 538 00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,163 It's my first major murder case. 539 00:26:37,247 --> 00:26:39,470 I... 540 00:26:39,554 --> 00:26:42,557 It's a lot. 541 00:26:50,391 --> 00:26:52,178 All right. 542 00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:55,355 Well, if you're leaving, 543 00:26:55,439 --> 00:26:58,054 you should probably take a look at that first. 544 00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:08,325 Pam was always working on something 545 00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:11,371 as she worked her way to the top. 546 00:27:17,157 --> 00:27:18,988 Hello? 547 00:27:19,072 --> 00:27:20,987 Yeah, that's me. 548 00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:26,648 Yeah, I could do that. 549 00:27:26,732 --> 00:27:29,085 See you then. 550 00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:31,084 Mm-hmm. 551 00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:36,832 The DA wants to talk to me. 552 00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,485 Again? 553 00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:40,879 No, Travis, try and keep up. 554 00:27:40,963 --> 00:27:43,926 That was the cops I talked to last time. 555 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,320 This is the DA. 556 00:27:47,404 --> 00:27:50,410 Just now, she had a story to tell 557 00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:54,673 and just the right person to tell it to. 558 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,731 Joel. 559 00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:08,080 I like your pocket square. 560 00:28:08,164 --> 00:28:09,691 There's not many men that can pull off 561 00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,258 a pink pocket square. 562 00:28:12,342 --> 00:28:14,609 We're here for Pam Hupp's cell data. 563 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:16,132 Yeah. 564 00:28:16,216 --> 00:28:18,830 You can go ahead and analyze the phone anytime. 565 00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:20,832 No, not the phone itself. 566 00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,313 The raw data is converted into a readable map 567 00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:25,924 - for both sides. - Okay. 568 00:28:26,008 --> 00:28:27,012 Go for it. 569 00:28:27,096 --> 00:28:28,274 The state's analysis center 570 00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:29,275 is the one that makes the map. 571 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,537 And you and I both know 572 00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:32,714 that we don't have access to those services. 573 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:35,151 Only you can make that request to the Sheriff's office. 574 00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:36,369 So how do you suggest 575 00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,721 we convert raw cell data on our own? 576 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:41,070 I don't know, Joel. 577 00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:43,855 Google it? 578 00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:45,030 - Nah. - No. 579 00:28:45,114 --> 00:28:46,945 No, you'll send me the cell map 580 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:49,165 - and the luminol photos. - Which I have been requesting. 581 00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:51,167 And the physical evidence and everything else that you have 582 00:28:51,251 --> 00:28:52,864 because that is how this works. 583 00:28:52,948 --> 00:28:54,736 Right, you old pro. 584 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:57,086 I'm gonna have Tina put together a disc for you. 585 00:28:57,170 --> 00:28:58,914 A really nice disc. 586 00:28:58,998 --> 00:29:00,132 Look forward to that. 587 00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,047 That was easy. 588 00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:03,698 Thanks for coming all the way down! 589 00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:07,052 What a baby. 590 00:29:22,935 --> 00:29:24,591 Mom would have hated this. 591 00:29:24,675 --> 00:29:26,724 They really tore the place apart. 592 00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:33,165 - - Um, I'm... - I'm just gonna get my new kitten 593 00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:37,953 and then we can just get out of here. 594 00:30:03,497 --> 00:30:05,632 How can you even look at him? 595 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,112 Just because you don't like him... 596 00:30:07,196 --> 00:30:08,461 He called me the C-word. 597 00:30:08,545 --> 00:30:10,028 'Cause you stole money from Grandma. 598 00:30:10,112 --> 00:30:11,813 Shut up. 599 00:30:11,897 --> 00:30:15,683 - Whatever. Let's just go. - Come on. 600 00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:19,864 Mom always left those on. 601 00:30:34,136 --> 00:30:36,663 Wait. 602 00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:38,317 It looks like Pam took two showers. 603 00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:40,493 One the night Betsy died, 604 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:41,843 and one the next morning. 605 00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:43,279 What the hell? 606 00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:45,672 This latest cell phone info from the prosecution, 607 00:30:45,756 --> 00:30:47,065 it's useless. 608 00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:49,372 This is thousands of pages, 609 00:30:49,456 --> 00:30:51,719 thousands of pages of garbage. 610 00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:55,636 Nothing in this case is easy. 611 00:30:58,944 --> 00:31:01,471 Here they were, together at last. 612 00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:03,473 Pam and Leah Askey, 613 00:31:03,557 --> 00:31:05,692 just two public servants 614 00:31:05,776 --> 00:31:08,391 working for the common good. 615 00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:10,523 - Hi. - Hi. 616 00:31:10,607 --> 00:31:13,483 Sorry I am such a sweaty Betty. 617 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,485 I came straight from Zumba. 618 00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,443 You do Zumba? I do Zumba. 619 00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:20,011 - Tuesday, Thursday. - I'm Wednesday, Friday. 620 00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:23,928 It is so nice to officially meet you. 621 00:31:24,012 --> 00:31:26,322 - Mm-hmm. - Have a seat. 622 00:31:26,406 --> 00:31:31,759 You have been through so much. 623 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:36,811 Joel, look at this. 624 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,901 That's to do with the life insurance. 625 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,163 Oh, Russ, 626 00:31:41,247 --> 00:31:44,383 he was just getting really creepy, you know? 627 00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:47,996 And... and he was making her really nervous... 628 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,040 Mm-hmm. 629 00:31:49,124 --> 00:31:50,520 - With the pillow. - Mm-hmm. 630 00:31:50,604 --> 00:31:51,869 And, you know, she'd turn around 631 00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:54,306 and he'd just be, like, staring at her. 632 00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:55,612 Stuff like that. 633 00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:57,396 And four days before he killed her... 634 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,571 Betsy changed the beneficiary from Russ to Pam. 635 00:32:03,486 --> 00:32:05,752 We got Pam's motive to kill. 636 00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:07,012 SODDI. 637 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:12,934 This change of beneficiary thing is really 638 00:32:13,018 --> 00:32:15,719 - gonna help our case. - Oh, my God. 639 00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,634 You think Russ found out about it 640 00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:19,375 and that's what made him snap. 641 00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:20,593 Yep. 642 00:32:20,677 --> 00:32:21,812 Betsy took him off the policy 643 00:32:21,896 --> 00:32:23,727 and he killed her in a fit of rage. 644 00:32:23,811 --> 00:32:26,686 - Well, that makes total sense. - Unfortunately, 645 00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,428 Betsy's like a lot of abused women I've seen, 646 00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:31,735 just trapped in a bad marriage, 647 00:32:31,819 --> 00:32:33,737 trying to make it okay for the kids. 648 00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:35,652 Right. That was the idea. 649 00:32:35,736 --> 00:32:36,958 And everyone knows that 650 00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,960 Russ is kinda rough around the edges. 651 00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,484 Well, I'm gonna make him pay for what he's done. 652 00:32:41,568 --> 00:32:45,270 But I need someone who really knows 653 00:32:45,354 --> 00:32:48,621 Betsy and Russ' relationship. 654 00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:51,102 To testify, you mean. 655 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:53,278 Yeah. 656 00:32:53,362 --> 00:32:56,629 Well, I know everything about it 657 00:32:56,713 --> 00:32:59,154 'cause Betsy told me. 658 00:32:59,238 --> 00:33:01,156 That's great. 659 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,246 Thank you for agreeing to testify. 660 00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:07,205 Sometimes, it's best to let the fish 661 00:33:07,289 --> 00:33:10,469 think it's catching you. 662 00:33:10,553 --> 00:33:11,949 I was just trying to help her out. 663 00:33:12,033 --> 00:33:14,473 So when Bets says she wanted to put my name on policy, 664 00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:17,085 I said, "Whatever you think is best." 665 00:33:17,169 --> 00:33:21,741 She was like, "Well, anything's better than Russ." 666 00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:24,005 Sometimes you cast so many lines 667 00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:26,137 into that little pond, 668 00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:28,096 it makes a web. 669 00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:32,361 He's not good with money. 670 00:33:32,445 --> 00:33:36,321 Mm. Mm. 671 00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:37,627 I guess Betsy was just like 672 00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:40,238 a lot of women out there, you know? 673 00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:43,285 Just a bad marriage, 674 00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:45,852 trying to take care of the kids. 675 00:33:45,936 --> 00:33:48,638 Mm. 676 00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:50,640 Now that's all on me. 677 00:33:50,724 --> 00:33:53,295 Well, I can sort that out for you. 678 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:54,513 Oh, no. 679 00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:56,820 - Or... or Tammy can. - No, I got it. 680 00:33:56,904 --> 00:33:58,561 I can take care of those girls. 681 00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:01,651 Set up a trust for 'em and everything. 682 00:34:01,735 --> 00:34:04,436 I have been 683 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,354 thanking God for you every night, Pam. 684 00:34:09,438 --> 00:34:12,053 Don't thank Him for me yet. 685 00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:17,928 I still gotta testify against Russ. 686 00:34:18,012 --> 00:34:19,451 Well, 687 00:34:19,535 --> 00:34:24,021 Janet was practically begging me to handle the money. 688 00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:27,894 You know what I had to do to get it. 689 00:34:27,978 --> 00:34:29,722 Hell and back. 690 00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:32,247 State Acres has this new phone tree thing. 691 00:34:32,331 --> 00:34:33,900 When you call, it takes forever. 692 00:34:33,984 --> 00:34:36,947 Finally got an old contact of mine from HQ, Dusty. 693 00:34:37,031 --> 00:34:39,689 Seems like Dusty's got bumped up through the ranks. 694 00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:41,560 Totally remembered me too. 695 00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:44,433 "Oh, Pam, how you doing? How's Mark?" 696 00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:45,912 - That's good. - Yeah, so, you know. 697 00:34:45,996 --> 00:34:48,611 I said, "Good. Betsy's dead. Can I get that money?" 698 00:34:48,695 --> 00:34:52,615 And he pulled the trigger for me right then. 699 00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:54,399 So you're good? 700 00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:56,616 Yeah. 701 00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:00,144 Don't stress about the house. 702 00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:04,496 Get a whole team out there to kill that mold. 703 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:07,064 I'll bet you'll get that facelift 704 00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:09,327 you've been wanting. 705 00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:13,418 Mom, I don't know what you're even talking about. 706 00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:15,420 Well, your face does. 707 00:35:22,294 --> 00:35:24,212 Oops. 708 00:35:38,484 --> 00:35:42,534 So, um, I was able to run Pam's record one more time. 709 00:35:42,618 --> 00:35:43,535 Came back clean. 710 00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:45,581 ♪ We got a spotless queen 711 00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:46,930 It does sound like she likes to bring on 712 00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:48,584 a lot of lawsuits. 713 00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:50,542 Her neighbors said Pam talked about suing 714 00:35:50,626 --> 00:35:52,414 the hospital where her son was born 715 00:35:52,498 --> 00:35:54,851 for giving him cerebral palsy. 716 00:35:54,935 --> 00:35:56,331 Guess that didn't work out. 717 00:35:56,415 --> 00:35:58,289 ♪ Hoped to sue for palsy 718 00:35:58,373 --> 00:36:00,117 Then she claimed that a filing cabinet 719 00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:02,119 fell on her head at work. 720 00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:03,642 ♪ Well, that's pretty ballsy ♪ 721 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:07,777 ♪ Hupp, Hupp, Hupp it up 722 00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:09,909 ♪ Hupp, Hupp Hey, will you check this out? 723 00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:16,742 Is that Leah Askey? 724 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:18,135 That is Chris Mennemeyer, 725 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:20,268 who, by the way, gave out homemade cookies 726 00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:21,921 when she ran for the judge's seat. 727 00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:25,099 So the judge and Leah Askey went to high school together? 728 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,796 Should we be worried? 729 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,145 So we had this... 730 00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:29,494 There are a lot of things 731 00:36:29,578 --> 00:36:32,018 you could say about Pam Hupp. 732 00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:33,498 A... a ten-year plan. 733 00:36:33,582 --> 00:36:36,284 One is that she is cooperative. 734 00:36:36,368 --> 00:36:37,937 Well, the ten-year turned to 12, 735 00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:40,462 'cause 2008, the bottom falls out, hits really hard, 736 00:36:40,546 --> 00:36:43,247 so we flip houses on the side and got plenty of money. 737 00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:44,901 - Okay. It's... - And a couple of months ago 738 00:36:44,985 --> 00:36:48,165 um, I had to put my mom in a home and it's pricey. 739 00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:49,558 You know, my mom's got Alzheimer 740 00:36:49,642 --> 00:36:51,299 - and dementia and all of that. - Sure. 741 00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:53,431 That's why the insurance money 742 00:36:53,515 --> 00:36:55,303 is just sitting there. I'm too busy. 743 00:36:55,387 --> 00:36:56,826 Of course, I want to set up that trust though. 744 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:58,567 Right, right, right, right. So thanks for coming in 745 00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:00,177 to talk about the insurance payout. 746 00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:02,179 - Mm-hmm. - Okay, the 150,000, 747 00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:04,747 that's in a separate account than your own. 748 00:37:04,831 --> 00:37:11,098 Uh, it's just sitting in my checking account. 749 00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,973 Okay. 750 00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:16,106 We can go to the computer and pull it up right now. 751 00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:18,239 No, no, no, no. I... 752 00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:20,110 No, no, I'm just saying, 753 00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:24,245 to me, in my world, 150K is not that much. 754 00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:26,769 And if I really, I mean, I hate to say it, 755 00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:28,379 but if I wanted the money, 756 00:37:28,463 --> 00:37:32,514 my mom is worth half a million that I get when she dies. 757 00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:35,256 So... and I know that that sounds... 758 00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:36,561 That sounds morbid and stuff like that... 759 00:37:36,645 --> 00:37:38,476 So... but you intend to set up... 760 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,043 I'm her life insurance person. 761 00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:41,087 I know. I know. 762 00:37:41,171 --> 00:37:42,393 But you do intend on 763 00:37:42,477 --> 00:37:44,178 setting up the trust for Betsy's girls. 764 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,223 Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 765 00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:48,051 Just as soon as we flip this house. 766 00:37:48,135 --> 00:37:49,531 'Cause, you know, money's tied up 767 00:37:49,615 --> 00:37:52,229 and I still have physical problems I see doctors for. 768 00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:53,361 It would be good for you, Pam, 769 00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:55,232 and it'll help our case against Russ 770 00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,408 if that money's no longer in your possession. 771 00:37:57,492 --> 00:37:59,367 How does it help me exactly? 772 00:37:59,451 --> 00:38:01,020 Well, you know, Schwartz, 773 00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:02,674 he might say you had something to do with the murder 774 00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:05,938 'cause of a... because of a financial windfall. 775 00:38:09,374 --> 00:38:11,292 Here I am trying to help Betsy's family 776 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,642 on top of my own, and... 777 00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:15,905 What are the possibilities? I'm sorry for interrupting, 778 00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:18,299 but what are the possibilities you get this trust set up 779 00:38:18,383 --> 00:38:22,564 for the girls before the trial? 780 00:38:22,648 --> 00:38:24,435 A hundred. 781 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,265 100% it will be set up. 782 00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:31,747 And you'll call me when you do it? 783 00:38:31,831 --> 00:38:33,314 Yeah, I will. 784 00:38:33,398 --> 00:38:37,187 That's Pam, working toward a common goal... 785 00:38:37,271 --> 00:38:38,580 I will. 786 00:38:38,664 --> 00:38:41,539 Even if it'll come back to haunt 787 00:38:41,623 --> 00:38:43,933 the Lincoln County Sheriff's office. 788 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,722 Did Arby's today. 789 00:38:50,806 --> 00:38:52,376 Turns out the timestamp on the receipt 790 00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:55,292 is when the order was placed, not received. 791 00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:56,598 Well, there you go. 792 00:38:56,682 --> 00:38:58,687 That adds at least five minutes to Russ' drive. 793 00:38:58,771 --> 00:38:59,949 There's no way he could've gotten home 794 00:39:00,033 --> 00:39:01,429 in time to kill Betsy. 795 00:39:01,513 --> 00:39:03,300 Yeah, and I still don't see any luminol photos 796 00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:06,477 in this latest bundle from Askey. 797 00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:08,479 So they found Russ' bloody slippers in the closet, 798 00:39:08,563 --> 00:39:09,915 but no luminol photos to show 799 00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:11,569 that any bloody footprints were cleaned up. 800 00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:13,484 Nope. 801 00:39:13,568 --> 00:39:16,444 I've been thinking a lot about these murder slippers. 802 00:39:16,528 --> 00:39:20,230 How they look like they were dipped in blood. 803 00:39:20,314 --> 00:39:22,798 There's also blood on Betsy's socks. 804 00:39:22,882 --> 00:39:24,930 Like, why is there blood on Betsy's socks 805 00:39:25,014 --> 00:39:28,107 if all of the blood loss is around her neck and arms? 806 00:39:28,191 --> 00:39:29,631 And the socks are only on halfway, 807 00:39:29,715 --> 00:39:31,981 like someone put them back on her in a hurry. 808 00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:34,505 They used the sock gloves 809 00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:37,247 to transport the murder slippers? 810 00:39:37,331 --> 00:39:39,075 Yes? 811 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:40,903 Right? I play it out. 812 00:39:40,987 --> 00:39:43,340 They take the slippers, they dip 'em in blood. 813 00:39:43,424 --> 00:39:44,907 They get blood on the socks. 814 00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:45,995 They're in a rush. 815 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,997 They hit the bedroom light switch, 816 00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:49,955 which is why it looks like a bloody smear... 817 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,350 And not a fingerprint. 818 00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:56,658 No fingerprints, no evidence of a cleanup. 819 00:39:56,742 --> 00:39:58,703 But even if Askey says those luminol photos 820 00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:00,183 didn't turn out, we still need 'em. 821 00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:01,532 No, I'll stay on her. 822 00:40:01,616 --> 00:40:03,229 And we still need polygraph results too, 823 00:40:03,313 --> 00:40:05,014 if those even exist. 824 00:40:05,098 --> 00:40:06,842 They said... You can't fail 825 00:40:06,926 --> 00:40:08,800 a polygraph 100%, right? 826 00:40:08,884 --> 00:40:09,975 It's not a thing. 827 00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:11,542 Well, they can't use it in court anyway. 828 00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:13,805 And don't forget about the dozen phone calls 829 00:40:13,889 --> 00:40:15,503 from Pam to Betsy, 830 00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:19,637 but we don't have any records from Pam's phone, so... 831 00:40:19,721 --> 00:40:21,552 Even without all of that, 832 00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:24,338 we can still prove he got home too late. 833 00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,036 Got his alibi. 834 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,296 We got a SODDI. 835 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,918 Hey, Russ. How you doing? 836 00:40:40,002 --> 00:40:41,616 Not great. 837 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,053 I haven't heard from my girls. 838 00:40:44,137 --> 00:40:46,098 I mean, radio silence. 839 00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:48,710 It's not like Mariah. 840 00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:50,886 I just... 841 00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:53,192 I want to make things better, I guess. 842 00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:55,281 Yeah, well, the trial's right around the corner 843 00:40:55,365 --> 00:40:58,372 and I'm going to make sure they see the Pam of it. Okay. 844 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,026 And you are gonna get your girls back 845 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:03,725 because we got one thing on our side that they don't, 846 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:07,946 and it's a luxury that I'm used to working without. 847 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:09,992 What's that? 848 00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:12,473 The truth. 849 00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:16,085 Ah, truth. A powerful thing. 850 00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:22,918 But can it prevail in a tight-knit town like Troy? 851 00:41:23,002 --> 00:41:25,311 Schwartz might want to keep wife killers on the streets, 852 00:41:25,395 --> 00:41:26,791 but by the grace of God, 853 00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:30,142 I am putting this one away. Whoo! 854 00:41:30,226 --> 00:41:31,405 Cheers to you! 855 00:41:42,456 --> 00:41:44,809 Yes. Yes! 856 00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:46,245 Whoo-hoo! 857 00:41:48,593 --> 00:41:52,817 Hey, let's get this hero another shot! 858 00:41:54,903 --> 00:41:56,299 Um, sir? 859 00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:57,953 Another Shirley Temple, sir. 860 00:41:58,037 --> 00:41:59,824 Sir? Hello? 861 00:42:08,743 --> 00:42:11,183 A tight-knit town indeed. 57221

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