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Previously, on
"The Thing About Pam"...
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This time chemo wasn't bad.
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I feel kinda good.
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So what happened to Betsy?
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Some kind of accident
or something?
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She's not accidentally dead.
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She's not naturally dead.
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Some lady on Sumac
got stabbed,
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20, maybe 60 times.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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He was kinda not nice
verbally to her.
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Real aggressive.
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Pam is a good person.
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And I just don't care
for his type.
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A grieving family
is a family in need,
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and Pam is all helping hands.
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Who would think
such a nice lady
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was there to help herself?
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God, such a hassle.
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All those people in your hair
on a day like this.
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You need a pick-me-up.
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Aunt Tammy,
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I've been trying
to call my dad all day
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and he's not answering.
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Bet they took his phone.
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Why... why would they
take his phone?
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I'm gonna go find him.
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Sweetie, sweetie.
Why don't you stay?
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No. He's... he's all alone.
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Two sugars, right?
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I'll just have
a little cream. Thanks.
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I wouldn't worry too much
about Russ.
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You know, they always
look at the husband first.
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Big surprise.
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You're not surprised
they got Russ?
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He could be scary.
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Oh, I know.
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One time he said,
"You women are such asses."
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And I was like, "Excuse me,
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"just trying to get directions
to the house.
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No need for that."
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One time he chased
my ex-boyfriend
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out the house
with a baseball bat.
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- No.
- Yeah.
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Lord knows
Russ isn't perfect,
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but don't go around saying
that the police have got him.
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We just don't need the whole
town talking like he...
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Like he...
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Oh, there will be talk.
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A whole lot of talk
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from some more than others.
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*A THING ABOUT PAM
Season 01 Episode 02
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Episode Title: " She's a Helper"
Aired on: March 15, 2022.
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What does a lie
look like anyway?
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Is it a line on a graph?
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Did you kill Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Do you know
who killed Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Is today December 28th, 2011?
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Yes.
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I think we got what we need.
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I... I, uh...
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I need to see my dad,
Russ Faria.
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Um, he's gonna be back there
for a while.
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I wouldn't bother waiting.
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Hi,
I'm Russ Faria's daughter.
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I'm looking for my dad and...
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Got the results
of your polygraph back.
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Whoo.
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You failed.
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Epically. 100%.
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I did?
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You may as well confess,
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make everything easier
on yourself.
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I don't even know
why I'm here.
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Well, I guess
this is gonna take a while.
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All right, Russ.
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Let's go over this
one more time.
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Can a lie
be detected by a machine
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or squeezed out
under pressure?
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It's been 24 hours.
You have to let him go.
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And get us something we can use
to bring him back for good.
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Can a lie sneak into
our lives like a Trojan horse
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without us
even knowing it's there?
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Or is a lie more like a virus
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spread through the air
from one person to the next?
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So I was at Betsy's mom's
and Russ wasn't around.
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So they must still
be holding him.
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You know what that means.
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We're looking closely at him.
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You really think he did it.
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The DA told my mom
everything points to Russ.
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Mm-hmm.
How 'bout that 911 call?
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Crying like a baby.
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I mean,
I could act better than that
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and I'm only
second semester theater.
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Listen, Janet. I apologize.
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We don't have enough
to charge him yet,
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but the detectives are close.
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You get him, Ms. Askey.
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I'm not sure what you mean
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you don't have enough
to charge him.
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Uh...
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I need probable cause
for the judge.
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So like, a witness, evidence,
stuff like that?
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Yeah, stuff like that.
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Uh, listen, Janet,
you will be the first person
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to find out
when we make the arrest.
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And again, I am so sorry, okay?
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Bye now.
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Sorry, but she's wrong.
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Why would the police lie?
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He's out now though, right?
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Whoa. Whoa, whoa.
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- Oh, I am...
- I mean...
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I'm sorry, sweetheart.
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You can't see Russ anymore.
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That's not a good idea.
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I can't see my dad?
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And I'll never see
my mom again.
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So what, you're just gonna
make me like... like an orphan?
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Well, he's not your real dad.
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He's the only dad
I ever knew.
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Well, you got
your grandmother.
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She was tired.
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You just let her leave.
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She should have stayed with us.
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I know sweetie.
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I...
I didn't get my hug.
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Can a lie
be folded into a hug...
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Even from the ones you trust?
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- Hello?
- Hey.
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Um, a detective called
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and he wants to come by
and talk to me.
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- When?
- Couple days.
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Could you make it any sooner?
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Well, we have that
big mold inspection tomorrow.
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We'll reschedule it, Mark.
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Pretty sure the police
need our help.
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Back in 2007,
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Betsy's light shined on Pam.
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They were friends,
good friends.
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Pam even asked Betsy
to DJ her daughter's wedding.
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Hey, Travis!
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Travis!
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Come "Hokey Pokey"
with your mom!
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Boo!
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Can we get
the bride up in here?
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- Yay!
- Yeah, Sarah!
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Everybody, backside!
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Pam took pride in
making all the right moves.
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A purposeful choreography
through life.
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Look at that mama
of the bride!
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Who knew she could
get down like this?
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Well, Sarah didn't.
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She didn't want me
to pay you, Bets.
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She said we could
just use an iPod.
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Mom!
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Well, happy to give you
the friend rate.
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No, no, no. You get full pay.
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I was telling her,
Bets needs the work.
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Pam, why don't you just
go ahead and give me the mic.
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I'm so sorry, Betsy.
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For what?
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I'm paying
for this whole shebang.
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Hey, you know what?
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I'm so happy to be here.
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We're having a good time.
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This... this gig's on me.
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No. Really?
No charge?
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No charge.
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Congratulations, Sarah.
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Okay, everybody. Here we go.
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Put your whole self in.
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♪ Put your whole self in,
put your whole self out ♪
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They say when someone
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shows you who they are,
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believe it.
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But would Lincoln County
detectives see Pam
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and believe her?
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You boys want a cookie?
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I'm baking up a storm
for the holidays.
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- I don't mind if I do.
- Oh.
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No need to take up
any of your time, Mrs. Hupp.
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We only need to talk
to your husband.
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Sure. No problem.
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Okay, so, Mr. Hupp,
on the night of the 27th,
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- you were at home?
- Yes.
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Oh, you play ball?
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AAA down in Florida.
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Oh.
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- Till he threw out his arm.
- Mm.
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Um...
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hon, why don't you play that
voicemail Betsy left ya?
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Happy Christmas, Mark.
Hope you're good.
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Thanks for loaning me Pam.
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So full of life.
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That was 7:00? Mm.
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- Yep, 7:04.
- Mm, mm.
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So I take it
you knew Betsy then.
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Through Pam.
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Didn't know Russ though.
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Who did, honestly?
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I've been through how many
of their separations
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and I'm still on the tip
of the iceberg over here.
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And just some of the stuff
she'd say.
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Did you guys
ever find that letter
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that Betsy was writing?
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- No.
- Oh.
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Some of the officers
the other day
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seemed really interested.
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Kept asking me.
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Um, it was just some letter
or something
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that Bets was gonna email
to tell me about
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something Russ did to her.
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I don't know if she deleted it
or whatever.
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Why would she email it to you
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versus talking to you about it?
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Uh, I mean,
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Betsy emailed all the time.
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You know, she emailed people.
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She'd email about this and that
and just general stuff.
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You know, she loved email.
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Knowing Bets, uh, she probably
got charged to text,
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so that's why email.
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Save the money.
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Got it.
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Do you know what was
in this email?
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Russ started
playing this game
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of putting a pillow
over her face.
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And he'd say this is
what it's gonna feel like
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when you die or whatever. Um,
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I didn't really know the guy,
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but just from what Bets said,
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he seemed sorta...
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- Abusive?
- Real abusive.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I was like,
well, email it to me.
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But I never got it.
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And would you be willing
to testify to all this?
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If you think it'd be helpful.
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Tina, call the judge!
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We have our probable cause.
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So you given
any more thought
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to your cousin's offer?
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Joel, that's the lawyer,
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he said that
you would be the one
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to have to contact him first.
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I don't know.
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Feels like
getting a lawyer means
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that I'm somebody
who needs a lawyer, you know?
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- I just...
- I just want to get past this.
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Mom, come on.
You can do that later.
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Otherwise, it'll stick.
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Are you gonna do these dishes?
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Sorry, what?
Didn't get that.
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Sheriff's Department!
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Russell Faria,
you're under arrest
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for the murder of Betsy Faria.
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- It's okay.
- No!
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Ah...
264
00:13:59,099 --> 00:14:00,396
Get up.
265
00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:03,846
Russ, it's okay!
266
00:14:17,204 --> 00:14:18,774
I want a lawyer.
267
00:14:24,298 --> 00:14:26,694
He rolled in from the city,
268
00:14:26,778 --> 00:14:29,393
a busy man from
a high-rise firm in St. Louis.
269
00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:32,875
Russ' new lawyer,
Joel Schwartz
270
00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,486
was about to encounter...
271
00:14:35,570 --> 00:14:38,576
Well, he had no idea.
272
00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:40,752
Green Gables?
273
00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:42,145
It's not even green.
274
00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:46,236
Wait, it's not?
I Yelped and...
275
00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,109
And this definitely looked
like the best hotel in town.
276
00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:54,592
Um, but there is a...
A Holiday Inn down the 47.
277
00:14:54,676 --> 00:14:57,725
- Do you want me to check that?
- What color are their gables?
278
00:14:57,809 --> 00:15:00,032
I can check.
279
00:15:00,116 --> 00:15:01,773
Oh, you're kidding.
280
00:15:01,857 --> 00:15:03,209
- Yeah, I'm kidding.
- Oh, right.
281
00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:04,677
It's our first day
working together.
282
00:15:04,761 --> 00:15:05,733
You get a pass.
283
00:15:05,817 --> 00:15:07,637
Hey, I just got
a probable cause statement
284
00:15:07,722 --> 00:15:10,086
from the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
285
00:15:10,170 --> 00:15:11,739
Looks like an eight-year-old
wrote it.
286
00:15:11,823 --> 00:15:14,090
There's gotta be a more
substantial report coming.
287
00:15:14,174 --> 00:15:16,788
Should we wait before
we sit down with Russell then?
288
00:15:16,872 --> 00:15:18,921
No. No.
We've got a guy with a temper,
289
00:15:19,005 --> 00:15:20,226
volatile relationship,
290
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:22,272
marriage breaking up,
getting back together.
291
00:15:22,356 --> 00:15:25,536
And strangers don't stab
their victims 50 plus times.
292
00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:28,278
So, uh, I take it
you've represented
293
00:15:28,362 --> 00:15:31,281
a lot of guys
like Russ then before.
294
00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:32,586
Oh, yeah.
295
00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:35,546
- Oh, yeah, it's kinda my jam.
- Yeah, mine too.
296
00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:37,548
Um, you know, I think so.
297
00:15:37,632 --> 00:15:41,508
Because this is
my first murder trial.
298
00:15:41,592 --> 00:15:44,381
In my experience,
the stats aren't wrong.
299
00:15:44,465 --> 00:15:46,035
We got the husband
of the victim here.
300
00:15:46,119 --> 00:15:48,037
- Right.
- Right?
301
00:15:57,652 --> 00:15:58,961
Hey, Pam, you heard?
302
00:15:59,045 --> 00:16:01,311
Betsy Faria's husband
got arrested.
303
00:16:01,395 --> 00:16:02,616
No way.
304
00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,923
Mm-hmm. News just said so.
305
00:16:05,007 --> 00:16:06,142
He goes to my sister's church.
306
00:16:06,226 --> 00:16:08,318
Can you believe that?
307
00:16:08,402 --> 00:16:09,972
I guess you never know
what's going on
308
00:16:10,056 --> 00:16:11,495
inside other people's houses.
309
00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,940
We're here to see Russ Faria.
310
00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:24,287
He's in holding.
You can wait over there.
311
00:16:25,941 --> 00:16:27,595
Hey, excuse me.
312
00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:30,122
You can't go in there.
313
00:16:30,206 --> 00:16:31,123
Why are you talking
to my client
314
00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:33,299
after he asked for a lawyer?
315
00:16:33,383 --> 00:16:34,689
Huh?
316
00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:41,090
That's him.
That's Joel Schwartz.
317
00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:42,961
I like his style.
318
00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:45,311
He looks like Tom Hanks
from "Splash."
319
00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:46,704
How much do you think
that haircut cost?
320
00:16:46,788 --> 00:16:49,533
He already put in
a request for evidence.
321
00:16:49,617 --> 00:16:51,361
He's good.
322
00:16:51,445 --> 00:16:55,231
We don't let guys like that
dick us around, Tina.
323
00:16:57,233 --> 00:16:59,322
Thanks for coming.
324
00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:03,634
Yeah, well, we're here
to help you, Russ.
325
00:17:03,718 --> 00:17:05,723
First off, is it true
that you talked to the police
326
00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:07,855
for 24 hours straight?
327
00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:10,684
Yeah.
328
00:17:10,768 --> 00:17:13,035
How much did you tell them?
329
00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,994
All of it.
330
00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:17,909
All of what?
331
00:17:17,993 --> 00:17:19,342
The truth.
332
00:17:25,348 --> 00:17:29,573
Am I really going to have
to go in front of a jury
333
00:17:29,657 --> 00:17:31,575
because you two
can't get a confession
334
00:17:31,659 --> 00:17:33,055
out of this maniac?
335
00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:34,404
The guy's a good liar.
336
00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:36,319
He's sticking to his Arby's
and game night.
337
00:17:36,403 --> 00:17:38,277
I wish to God
I hadn't gone to game night,
338
00:17:38,361 --> 00:17:40,105
but that's where I was,
339
00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:42,151
so how can everybody
think I did this?
340
00:17:42,235 --> 00:17:43,587
It doesn't matter
what everyone thinks.
341
00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:46,764
It matters what
the prosecution can prove.
342
00:17:46,848 --> 00:17:49,245
Wait.
343
00:17:49,329 --> 00:17:52,248
Do you think I killed Betsy?
344
00:17:52,332 --> 00:17:54,076
I don't know
what I think yet, Russ.
345
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,294
Okay.
346
00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:59,081
But... don't you
have to believe me?
347
00:17:59,165 --> 00:18:01,474
Isn't that, like, part of this?
348
00:18:01,558 --> 00:18:05,391
I'm bumping on
the same thing you are.
349
00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:06,784
I'm not even sure
why we're sitting here
350
00:18:06,868 --> 00:18:08,742
if your alibi checks out.
351
00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:10,611
Talk to my friends then.
352
00:18:13,831 --> 00:18:15,880
That alibi's still
tough to get around.
353
00:18:15,964 --> 00:18:18,970
We could widen the net,
look at a few more suspects.
354
00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:20,406
You're the detective,
355
00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,886
but just because
a pocket square
356
00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:25,194
rolls in from the city
doesn't mean that we're wrong.
357
00:18:25,278 --> 00:18:26,456
So what do we have?
358
00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:27,718
There must've been a cleanup.
359
00:18:27,802 --> 00:18:29,981
There wasn't blood
on Russ' clothing?
360
00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:31,588
Not a drop.
361
00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,507
Do we have
the luminol photos back?
362
00:18:34,591 --> 00:18:39,208
Those would show
if there was blood cleaned up.
363
00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:40,774
Camera malfunctioned.
364
00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,080
Photos showed nothing.
365
00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:43,995
Totally blank.
366
00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:47,085
Should we take a look
just to be sure?
367
00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:48,478
If he says they're blank,
they're blank.
368
00:18:48,562 --> 00:18:49,348
What's the point?
369
00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:52,264
Get over here, McCarrick!
370
00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:54,484
This guy stabbed
his wife 57 times
371
00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:56,486
and he didn't do it stark naked
372
00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:58,444
spraying Lysol out of his ass,
373
00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:01,143
so he must've missed a spot.
374
00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:04,146
If you were at game night,
375
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:06,148
then who took Betsy home?
376
00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,671
Her friend, Pam.
377
00:19:07,755 --> 00:19:08,933
Pam.
378
00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:11,501
Why don't you
tell me about Pam?
379
00:19:11,585 --> 00:19:13,111
She's...
380
00:19:13,195 --> 00:19:14,547
I don't know.
381
00:19:14,631 --> 00:19:16,549
Nice lady.
382
00:19:16,633 --> 00:19:18,769
"Nice lady."
383
00:19:18,853 --> 00:19:23,034
Okay, and what about
your stepdaughter, Lily?
384
00:19:23,118 --> 00:19:24,220
She got an ex-boyfriend?
385
00:19:24,305 --> 00:19:27,082
Oh, he's a huge tool,
386
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,693
but I don't think
he could've done this.
387
00:19:29,777 --> 00:19:31,173
Well, we should
still check him out
388
00:19:31,257 --> 00:19:34,216
just to dot the Ts
and cross the...
389
00:19:37,132 --> 00:19:38,397
Okay, Russ.
390
00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:40,791
Well, that should be
enough for us to start.
391
00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:44,186
Whoa.
What happens now?
392
00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:46,188
Well, you'll be held
until trial.
393
00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:49,887
You mean in jail?
394
00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:57,721
Nate and I are gonna
sort this out, okay?
395
00:19:57,805 --> 00:20:00,202
In the meantime, you do not
talk to the police without me,
396
00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:02,552
you understand?
397
00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:13,563
Why would he ask us
398
00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:15,434
to interview
five independent witnesses?
399
00:20:15,518 --> 00:20:17,915
That's just gonna
make him look bad.
400
00:20:19,174 --> 00:20:20,439
I'm sorry.
401
00:20:20,523 --> 00:20:22,492
I'm still trying to pick up
on your social cues.
402
00:20:22,577 --> 00:20:23,573
What's the sign?
403
00:20:23,657 --> 00:20:25,126
I've represented
a lot of guilty people,
404
00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:27,403
but it's the innocent ones
that keep me up at night.
405
00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:29,753
Wait, you think
that he didn't do this?
406
00:20:33,493 --> 00:20:36,194
I guess
the pressure's on now.
407
00:20:38,715 --> 00:20:41,156
If the clothes he was wearing
don't have blood on them,
408
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,202
then he must've changed,
washed up.
409
00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:45,595
Was there blood
in the bathroom?
410
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,727
Did you take apart the shower?
411
00:20:47,811 --> 00:20:49,338
Morning, Leah.
412
00:20:49,422 --> 00:20:51,427
You guys are just sitting
around sucking on your thumbs
413
00:20:51,511 --> 00:20:53,472
and you have no confession,
which means you've just laid
414
00:20:53,556 --> 00:20:56,388
ten times
the amount of work at my feet.
415
00:20:56,472 --> 00:20:59,086
You were just elected DA,
what, a month ago?
416
00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:01,567
It shows.
417
00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:03,047
I thought you were excited
about the big case.
418
00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:04,788
Well, not if I'm gonna lose.
419
00:21:04,872 --> 00:21:06,790
I have to show people
why they elected me.
420
00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:10,141
Maybe someone could do
a test drive from Arby's.
421
00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:11,969
I saw the receipt.
It's timestamped.
422
00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:15,451
Thank you, Tina,
who is not a detective.
423
00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:17,888
How could we ever show
that it was possible
424
00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:21,283
for Russ to get home from
Arby's in time to kill Betsy?
425
00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:23,023
He must've gone
over the speed limit.
426
00:21:23,107 --> 00:21:24,329
I'll take care of it.
427
00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:27,376
Now, you two, please
take apart the house
428
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,421
and find me the blood.
429
00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:33,469
11:41 a.m.
430
00:21:33,553 --> 00:21:35,471
Detective Brian McCarrick here.
431
00:21:35,555 --> 00:21:37,864
Leaving Arby's
en route to 130 Sumac Drive.
432
00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:06,241
Boom!
433
00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,503
Plenty of time to kill you.
434
00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:09,156
Yah!
435
00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:13,549
What the friggin' hell?
436
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:17,164
Ugh!
437
00:22:17,248 --> 00:22:20,124
The entire floor
stinks like that?
438
00:22:20,208 --> 00:22:23,606
- Mold. It's bad.
- Ugh.
439
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,957
We might have to dip into
the Florida money.
440
00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:28,608
It's gone.
441
00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:32,005
All of it?
442
00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,833
How'd you think
I paid for that flip house
443
00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:35,095
when we're behind the mortgage
here?
444
00:22:35,179 --> 00:22:36,358
- - Well, I...
- I don't know.
445
00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:38,838
Maybe your disability money.
446
00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:42,320
I told you about that
stupid letter I got, Mark.
447
00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:44,450
They said I don't
qualify anymore.
448
00:22:45,625 --> 00:22:48,935
But your bad leg.
449
00:22:49,019 --> 00:22:51,198
Tell it to the man.
450
00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,859
I'll get us the money.
451
00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:12,263
Hey.
452
00:23:12,347 --> 00:23:14,396
I just got back from seeing
all those gamer guys.
453
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,311
Super sweet group of dudes.
454
00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,270
I've got five people
455
00:23:19,354 --> 00:23:21,794
who said that
Russ left at 9:00.
456
00:23:21,878 --> 00:23:23,579
Well, you can't be
at game night and the Arby's
457
00:23:23,663 --> 00:23:26,756
at the same time
you're killing your wife.
458
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,714
So I was looking
at these autopsy...
459
00:23:28,798 --> 00:23:30,107
Do you mind if I show this to
you while you're eating lunch?
460
00:23:30,191 --> 00:23:31,151
- No.
- Okay.
461
00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:33,893
It looks like there is a bruise
462
00:23:33,977 --> 00:23:36,113
- on Betsy's neck here.
- Mm.
463
00:23:36,197 --> 00:23:37,506
And then it looks like
the knife
464
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:39,986
was stuck into that same spot
465
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:42,032
after she was dead.
466
00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:44,817
Maybe the bruise means
she was strangled first?
467
00:23:44,901 --> 00:23:47,864
And then put the knife there
to cover up the fingerprints.
468
00:23:47,948 --> 00:23:50,475
Yeah, it's weird.
469
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,956
She has so many stab wounds
on her back, Joel,
470
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,437
but there's no blood
on the carpet.
471
00:23:55,521 --> 00:23:56,699
And they're all the same size,
472
00:23:56,783 --> 00:23:59,354
same depth,
all made post-mortem.
473
00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:00,920
Methodical, not passionate,
474
00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:02,487
but trying to make it
look like that.
475
00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:05,011
Is that the number one
criminal defense attorney
476
00:24:05,095 --> 00:24:06,448
in all of St. Louis?
477
00:24:06,532 --> 00:24:08,058
Number two, actually.
478
00:24:08,142 --> 00:24:09,973
- That's right. Number two.
- Yeah.
479
00:24:10,057 --> 00:24:11,366
And you must be,
480
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,150
let me guess,
our district attorney.
481
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:14,369
You can call me Leah.
482
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,805
- Leah. Oh, Leah...
- Yes.
483
00:24:15,889 --> 00:24:18,329
We still haven't received
our luminol photos
484
00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:20,026
from the crime scene.
485
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:22,768
Photos didn't come out.
There was a camera malfunction.
486
00:24:22,852 --> 00:24:24,988
- Oh, well, that's too bad.
- Yeah.
487
00:24:25,072 --> 00:24:26,293
We're still gonna need
to see those.
488
00:24:26,377 --> 00:24:28,905
And the polygraph
results too.
489
00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:31,168
Photos and polygraph
coming right up.
490
00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:32,778
Okay.
491
00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,781
Hey, Danny, this one's on me.
492
00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:38,349
They're guests in our town.
493
00:24:38,433 --> 00:24:39,481
Night, boys.
494
00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,958
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
495
00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:44,660
- Uh...
- Oh, boy.
496
00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:47,184
Okay, okay. What's next?
497
00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:48,838
- Let's go to motive to kill.
- All right.
498
00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:52,015
So based on
the detectives' interviews,
499
00:24:52,099 --> 00:24:53,495
it seems like
they're gonna go with the fact
500
00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:55,584
that Russ was this rage monster
who snapped...
501
00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:57,803
Askey will go with
that, sure, but if she's smart,
502
00:24:57,887 --> 00:24:59,501
she'll pile on
a bunch of other reasons.
503
00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:00,980
Or it could be insurance.
504
00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:02,417
Do you want me to check to see
if Betsy had a policy?
505
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,157
She was terminally ill.
506
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,507
I mean, if he was gonna
kill her for the money,
507
00:25:05,591 --> 00:25:08,858
why wouldn't he just wait
a couple of months?
508
00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:15,081
What about SODDIs?
"Some other dude did it."
509
00:25:15,165 --> 00:25:16,387
- Oh.
- Yeah.
510
00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:19,956
I just went through 500 pages
511
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,394
of the daughter's boyfriend's
text messages.
512
00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:25,004
- And?
- I wouldn't date the guy,
513
00:25:25,088 --> 00:25:27,529
but he didn't kill Betsy.
514
00:25:27,613 --> 00:25:30,183
What about that Pam lady?
515
00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:32,708
I mean, she was the last one
to see Betsy alive.
516
00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:34,231
We definitely need
to see her cell records.
517
00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:35,711
I have tried.
518
00:25:35,795 --> 00:25:38,235
But the DA doesn't seem
to think that we need them.
519
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,106
Yeah, well, that's because
Pam doesn't fit into
520
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:41,934
what Askey wants to see.
521
00:25:42,018 --> 00:25:43,414
- That's a good point.
- Right?
522
00:25:51,201 --> 00:25:52,728
I have to go home
and tuck in the kids
523
00:25:52,812 --> 00:25:55,557
or Chris will get his panties
in a twist.
524
00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:57,341
Yeah, we wouldn't want that,
would we?
525
00:25:57,425 --> 00:26:00,562
Mm-mm.
526
00:26:00,646 --> 00:26:02,564
Well, let's see.
527
00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:05,697
There's the bloody smear
on the light switch.
528
00:26:05,781 --> 00:26:07,786
- Test that against Russ.
- Okay.
529
00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:11,747
And then there's
the bloody slippers.
530
00:26:11,831 --> 00:26:13,836
That is a wrinkle.
531
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,142
Why would he put his slippers
back in the closet
532
00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,840
after he killed her?
533
00:26:17,924 --> 00:26:19,581
And weird that there's blood
on the slippers,
534
00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:22,015
but not on his clothes.
535
00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:27,760
Maybe he did kill her naked.
536
00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:31,549
So test that against Russ.
Anyone else?
537
00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:34,900
Why?
538
00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,163
It's my first
major murder case.
539
00:26:37,247 --> 00:26:39,470
I...
540
00:26:39,554 --> 00:26:42,557
It's a lot.
541
00:26:50,391 --> 00:26:52,178
All right.
542
00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:55,355
Well, if you're leaving,
543
00:26:55,439 --> 00:26:58,054
you should probably
take a look at that first.
544
00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:08,325
Pam was always
working on something
545
00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:11,371
as she worked her way
to the top.
546
00:27:17,157 --> 00:27:18,988
Hello?
547
00:27:19,072 --> 00:27:20,987
Yeah, that's me.
548
00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:26,648
Yeah, I could do that.
549
00:27:26,732 --> 00:27:29,085
See you then.
550
00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:31,084
Mm-hmm.
551
00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:36,832
The DA wants to talk to me.
552
00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,485
Again?
553
00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:40,879
No, Travis, try and keep up.
554
00:27:40,963 --> 00:27:43,926
That was the cops
I talked to last time.
555
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,320
This is the DA.
556
00:27:47,404 --> 00:27:50,410
Just now,
she had a story to tell
557
00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:54,673
and just the right person
to tell it to.
558
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,731
Joel.
559
00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:08,080
I like your pocket square.
560
00:28:08,164 --> 00:28:09,691
There's not many men
that can pull off
561
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,258
a pink pocket square.
562
00:28:12,342 --> 00:28:14,609
We're here
for Pam Hupp's cell data.
563
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:16,132
Yeah.
564
00:28:16,216 --> 00:28:18,830
You can go ahead
and analyze the phone anytime.
565
00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:20,832
No, not the phone itself.
566
00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,313
The raw data is converted
into a readable map
567
00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:25,924
- for both sides.
- Okay.
568
00:28:26,008 --> 00:28:27,012
Go for it.
569
00:28:27,096 --> 00:28:28,274
The state's analysis center
570
00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:29,275
is the one that makes the map.
571
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,537
And you and I both know
572
00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:32,714
that we don't have access
to those services.
573
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:35,151
Only you can make that request
to the Sheriff's office.
574
00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:36,369
So how do you suggest
575
00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,721
we convert raw cell data
on our own?
576
00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:41,070
I don't know, Joel.
577
00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:43,855
Google it?
578
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:45,030
- Nah.
- No.
579
00:28:45,114 --> 00:28:46,945
No, you'll send me
the cell map
580
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:49,165
- and the luminol photos.
- Which I have been requesting.
581
00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:51,167
And the physical evidence and
everything else that you have
582
00:28:51,251 --> 00:28:52,864
because that is how this works.
583
00:28:52,948 --> 00:28:54,736
Right, you old pro.
584
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:57,086
I'm gonna have Tina
put together a disc for you.
585
00:28:57,170 --> 00:28:58,914
A really nice disc.
586
00:28:58,998 --> 00:29:00,132
Look forward to that.
587
00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,047
That was easy.
588
00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:03,698
Thanks for coming
all the way down!
589
00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:07,052
What a baby.
590
00:29:22,935 --> 00:29:24,591
Mom would have hated this.
591
00:29:24,675 --> 00:29:26,724
They really tore
the place apart.
592
00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:33,165
- - Um, I'm...
- I'm just gonna get my new kitten
593
00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:37,953
and then we can
just get out of here.
594
00:30:03,497 --> 00:30:05,632
How can you even look at him?
595
00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,112
Just because
you don't like him...
596
00:30:07,196 --> 00:30:08,461
He called me the C-word.
597
00:30:08,545 --> 00:30:10,028
'Cause you stole money
from Grandma.
598
00:30:10,112 --> 00:30:11,813
Shut up.
599
00:30:11,897 --> 00:30:15,683
- Whatever. Let's just go.
- Come on.
600
00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:19,864
Mom always left those on.
601
00:30:34,136 --> 00:30:36,663
Wait.
602
00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:38,317
It looks like Pam
took two showers.
603
00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:40,493
One the night Betsy died,
604
00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:41,843
and one the next morning.
605
00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:43,279
What the hell?
606
00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:45,672
This latest cell phone info
from the prosecution,
607
00:30:45,756 --> 00:30:47,065
it's useless.
608
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:49,372
This is thousands of pages,
609
00:30:49,456 --> 00:30:51,719
thousands of pages of garbage.
610
00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:55,636
Nothing in this case is easy.
611
00:30:58,944 --> 00:31:01,471
Here they were,
together at last.
612
00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:03,473
Pam and Leah Askey,
613
00:31:03,557 --> 00:31:05,692
just two public servants
614
00:31:05,776 --> 00:31:08,391
working for the common good.
615
00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:10,523
- Hi.
- Hi.
616
00:31:10,607 --> 00:31:13,483
Sorry I am
such a sweaty Betty.
617
00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,485
I came straight from Zumba.
618
00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,443
You do Zumba?
I do Zumba.
619
00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:20,011
- Tuesday, Thursday.
- I'm Wednesday, Friday.
620
00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:23,928
It is so nice
to officially meet you.
621
00:31:24,012 --> 00:31:26,322
- Mm-hmm.
- Have a seat.
622
00:31:26,406 --> 00:31:31,759
You have been through so much.
623
00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:36,811
Joel, look at this.
624
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,901
That's to do
with the life insurance.
625
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,163
Oh, Russ,
626
00:31:41,247 --> 00:31:44,383
he was just getting
really creepy, you know?
627
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:47,996
And... and he was making
her really nervous...
628
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Mm-hmm.
629
00:31:49,124 --> 00:31:50,520
- With the pillow.
- Mm-hmm.
630
00:31:50,604 --> 00:31:51,869
And, you know,
she'd turn around
631
00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:54,306
and he'd just be,
like, staring at her.
632
00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:55,612
Stuff like that.
633
00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:57,396
And four days
before he killed her...
634
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,571
Betsy changed the beneficiary
from Russ to Pam.
635
00:32:03,486 --> 00:32:05,752
We got Pam's motive to kill.
636
00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:07,012
SODDI.
637
00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:12,934
This change of beneficiary
thing is really
638
00:32:13,018 --> 00:32:15,719
- gonna help our case.
- Oh, my God.
639
00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,634
You think Russ found out
about it
640
00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:19,375
and that's what made him snap.
641
00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:20,593
Yep.
642
00:32:20,677 --> 00:32:21,812
Betsy took him off the policy
643
00:32:21,896 --> 00:32:23,727
and he killed her
in a fit of rage.
644
00:32:23,811 --> 00:32:26,686
- Well, that makes total sense.
- Unfortunately,
645
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,428
Betsy's like a lot of
abused women I've seen,
646
00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:31,735
just trapped in a bad marriage,
647
00:32:31,819 --> 00:32:33,737
trying to make it okay
for the kids.
648
00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:35,652
Right. That was the idea.
649
00:32:35,736 --> 00:32:36,958
And everyone knows that
650
00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,960
Russ is kinda rough
around the edges.
651
00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,484
Well, I'm gonna make him pay
for what he's done.
652
00:32:41,568 --> 00:32:45,270
But I need someone
who really knows
653
00:32:45,354 --> 00:32:48,621
Betsy and Russ' relationship.
654
00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:51,102
To testify, you mean.
655
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:53,278
Yeah.
656
00:32:53,362 --> 00:32:56,629
Well, I know everything
about it
657
00:32:56,713 --> 00:32:59,154
'cause Betsy told me.
658
00:32:59,238 --> 00:33:01,156
That's great.
659
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,246
Thank you
for agreeing to testify.
660
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:07,205
Sometimes,
it's best to let the fish
661
00:33:07,289 --> 00:33:10,469
think it's catching you.
662
00:33:10,553 --> 00:33:11,949
I was just trying
to help her out.
663
00:33:12,033 --> 00:33:14,473
So when Bets says she wanted
to put my name on policy,
664
00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:17,085
I said,
"Whatever you think is best."
665
00:33:17,169 --> 00:33:21,741
She was like, "Well,
anything's better than Russ."
666
00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:24,005
Sometimes you cast
so many lines
667
00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:26,137
into that little pond,
668
00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:28,096
it makes a web.
669
00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:32,361
He's not good with money.
670
00:33:32,445 --> 00:33:36,321
Mm. Mm.
671
00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:37,627
I guess Betsy was just like
672
00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:40,238
a lot of women out there,
you know?
673
00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:43,285
Just a bad marriage,
674
00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:45,852
trying to take care
of the kids.
675
00:33:45,936 --> 00:33:48,638
Mm.
676
00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:50,640
Now that's all on me.
677
00:33:50,724 --> 00:33:53,295
Well, I can sort that out
for you.
678
00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:54,513
Oh, no.
679
00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:56,820
- Or... or Tammy can.
- No, I got it.
680
00:33:56,904 --> 00:33:58,561
I can take care of those girls.
681
00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:01,651
Set up a trust for 'em
and everything.
682
00:34:01,735 --> 00:34:04,436
I have been
683
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,354
thanking God for you
every night, Pam.
684
00:34:09,438 --> 00:34:12,053
Don't thank Him for me yet.
685
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:17,928
I still gotta testify
against Russ.
686
00:34:18,012 --> 00:34:19,451
Well,
687
00:34:19,535 --> 00:34:24,021
Janet was practically
begging me to handle the money.
688
00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:27,894
You know what I had
to do to get it.
689
00:34:27,978 --> 00:34:29,722
Hell and back.
690
00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:32,247
State Acres has this
new phone tree thing.
691
00:34:32,331 --> 00:34:33,900
When you call,
it takes forever.
692
00:34:33,984 --> 00:34:36,947
Finally got an old contact
of mine from HQ, Dusty.
693
00:34:37,031 --> 00:34:39,689
Seems like Dusty's got
bumped up through the ranks.
694
00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:41,560
Totally remembered me too.
695
00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:44,433
"Oh, Pam, how you doing?
How's Mark?"
696
00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:45,912
- That's good.
- Yeah, so, you know.
697
00:34:45,996 --> 00:34:48,611
I said, "Good. Betsy's dead.
Can I get that money?"
698
00:34:48,695 --> 00:34:52,615
And he pulled the trigger
for me right then.
699
00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:54,399
So you're good?
700
00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:56,616
Yeah.
701
00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:00,144
Don't stress about the house.
702
00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:04,496
Get a whole team out there
to kill that mold.
703
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:07,064
I'll bet you'll get
that facelift
704
00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:09,327
you've been wanting.
705
00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:13,418
Mom, I don't know
what you're even talking about.
706
00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:15,420
Well, your face does.
707
00:35:22,294 --> 00:35:24,212
Oops.
708
00:35:38,484 --> 00:35:42,534
So, um, I was able to run
Pam's record one more time.
709
00:35:42,618 --> 00:35:43,535
Came back clean.
710
00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:45,581
♪ We got a spotless queen
711
00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:46,930
It does sound like
she likes to bring on
712
00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:48,584
a lot of lawsuits.
713
00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:50,542
Her neighbors said
Pam talked about suing
714
00:35:50,626 --> 00:35:52,414
the hospital
where her son was born
715
00:35:52,498 --> 00:35:54,851
for giving him cerebral palsy.
716
00:35:54,935 --> 00:35:56,331
Guess that didn't work out.
717
00:35:56,415 --> 00:35:58,289
♪ Hoped to sue for palsy
718
00:35:58,373 --> 00:36:00,117
Then she claimed that
a filing cabinet
719
00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:02,119
fell on her head at work.
720
00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:03,642
♪ Well,
that's pretty ballsy ♪
721
00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:07,777
♪ Hupp, Hupp, Hupp it up
722
00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:09,909
♪ Hupp, Hupp
Hey, will you check this out?
723
00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:16,742
Is that Leah Askey?
724
00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:18,135
That is Chris Mennemeyer,
725
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:20,268
who, by the way,
gave out homemade cookies
726
00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:21,921
when she ran
for the judge's seat.
727
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:25,099
So the judge and Leah Askey
went to high school together?
728
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,796
Should we be worried?
729
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,145
So we had this...
730
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:29,494
There are a lot of things
731
00:36:29,578 --> 00:36:32,018
you could say about Pam Hupp.
732
00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:33,498
A... a ten-year plan.
733
00:36:33,582 --> 00:36:36,284
One is that
she is cooperative.
734
00:36:36,368 --> 00:36:37,937
Well, the ten-year
turned to 12,
735
00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:40,462
'cause 2008, the bottom
falls out, hits really hard,
736
00:36:40,546 --> 00:36:43,247
so we flip houses on the side
and got plenty of money.
737
00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:44,901
- Okay. It's...
- And a couple of months ago
738
00:36:44,985 --> 00:36:48,165
um, I had to put my mom
in a home and it's pricey.
739
00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:49,558
You know, my mom's got Alzheimer
740
00:36:49,642 --> 00:36:51,299
- and dementia and all of that.
- Sure.
741
00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:53,431
That's why
the insurance money
742
00:36:53,515 --> 00:36:55,303
is just sitting there.
I'm too busy.
743
00:36:55,387 --> 00:36:56,826
Of course, I want to set up
that trust though.
744
00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:58,567
Right, right, right, right.
So thanks for coming in
745
00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:00,177
to talk about
the insurance payout.
746
00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:02,179
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay, the 150,000,
747
00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:04,747
that's in a separate account
than your own.
748
00:37:04,831 --> 00:37:11,098
Uh, it's just sitting
in my checking account.
749
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,973
Okay.
750
00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:16,106
We can go to the computer
and pull it up right now.
751
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:18,239
No, no, no, no. I...
752
00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:20,110
No, no, I'm just saying,
753
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:24,245
to me, in my world,
150K is not that much.
754
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:26,769
And if I really,
I mean, I hate to say it,
755
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:28,379
but if I wanted the money,
756
00:37:28,463 --> 00:37:32,514
my mom is worth half a million
that I get when she dies.
757
00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:35,256
So... and I know that
that sounds...
758
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:36,561
That sounds morbid
and stuff like that...
759
00:37:36,645 --> 00:37:38,476
So... but you intend
to set up...
760
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,043
I'm her life insurance person.
761
00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:41,087
I know. I know.
762
00:37:41,171 --> 00:37:42,393
But you do intend on
763
00:37:42,477 --> 00:37:44,178
setting up the trust
for Betsy's girls.
764
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,223
Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
765
00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:48,051
Just as soon
as we flip this house.
766
00:37:48,135 --> 00:37:49,531
'Cause, you know,
money's tied up
767
00:37:49,615 --> 00:37:52,229
and I still have physical
problems I see doctors for.
768
00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:53,361
It would be good
for you, Pam,
769
00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:55,232
and it'll help
our case against Russ
770
00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,408
if that money's no longer
in your possession.
771
00:37:57,492 --> 00:37:59,367
How does it help me exactly?
772
00:37:59,451 --> 00:38:01,020
Well, you know, Schwartz,
773
00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:02,674
he might say you had
something to do with the murder
774
00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:05,938
'cause of a... because
of a financial windfall.
775
00:38:09,374 --> 00:38:11,292
Here I am trying to help
Betsy's family
776
00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,642
on top of my own, and...
777
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:15,905
What are the possibilities?
I'm sorry for interrupting,
778
00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:18,299
but what are the possibilities
you get this trust set up
779
00:38:18,383 --> 00:38:22,564
for the girls before the trial?
780
00:38:22,648 --> 00:38:24,435
A hundred.
781
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,265
100% it will be set up.
782
00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:31,747
And you'll call me
when you do it?
783
00:38:31,831 --> 00:38:33,314
Yeah, I will.
784
00:38:33,398 --> 00:38:37,187
That's Pam, working
toward a common goal...
785
00:38:37,271 --> 00:38:38,580
I will.
786
00:38:38,664 --> 00:38:41,539
Even if
it'll come back to haunt
787
00:38:41,623 --> 00:38:43,933
the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
788
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,722
Did Arby's today.
789
00:38:50,806 --> 00:38:52,376
Turns out the timestamp
on the receipt
790
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:55,292
is when the order was placed,
not received.
791
00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:56,598
Well, there you go.
792
00:38:56,682 --> 00:38:58,687
That adds at least
five minutes to Russ' drive.
793
00:38:58,771 --> 00:38:59,949
There's no way
he could've gotten home
794
00:39:00,033 --> 00:39:01,429
in time to kill Betsy.
795
00:39:01,513 --> 00:39:03,300
Yeah, and I still don't see
any luminol photos
796
00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:06,477
in this latest bundle
from Askey.
797
00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:08,479
So they found Russ'
bloody slippers in the closet,
798
00:39:08,563 --> 00:39:09,915
but no luminol photos to show
799
00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:11,569
that any bloody footprints
were cleaned up.
800
00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:13,484
Nope.
801
00:39:13,568 --> 00:39:16,444
I've been thinking a lot
about these murder slippers.
802
00:39:16,528 --> 00:39:20,230
How they look like
they were dipped in blood.
803
00:39:20,314 --> 00:39:22,798
There's also blood
on Betsy's socks.
804
00:39:22,882 --> 00:39:24,930
Like, why is there blood
on Betsy's socks
805
00:39:25,014 --> 00:39:28,107
if all of the blood loss
is around her neck and arms?
806
00:39:28,191 --> 00:39:29,631
And the socks
are only on halfway,
807
00:39:29,715 --> 00:39:31,981
like someone put them
back on her in a hurry.
808
00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:34,505
They used the sock gloves
809
00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:37,247
to transport
the murder slippers?
810
00:39:37,331 --> 00:39:39,075
Yes?
811
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:40,903
Right? I play it out.
812
00:39:40,987 --> 00:39:43,340
They take the slippers,
they dip 'em in blood.
813
00:39:43,424 --> 00:39:44,907
They get blood on the socks.
814
00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:45,995
They're in a rush.
815
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,997
They hit the bedroom
light switch,
816
00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:49,955
which is why it looks
like a bloody smear...
817
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,350
And not a fingerprint.
818
00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:56,658
No fingerprints,
no evidence of a cleanup.
819
00:39:56,742 --> 00:39:58,703
But even if Askey says
those luminol photos
820
00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:00,183
didn't turn out,
we still need 'em.
821
00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:01,532
No, I'll stay on her.
822
00:40:01,616 --> 00:40:03,229
And we still need
polygraph results too,
823
00:40:03,313 --> 00:40:05,014
if those even exist.
824
00:40:05,098 --> 00:40:06,842
They said...
You can't fail
825
00:40:06,926 --> 00:40:08,800
a polygraph 100%, right?
826
00:40:08,884 --> 00:40:09,975
It's not a thing.
827
00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:11,542
Well, they can't use it
in court anyway.
828
00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:13,805
And don't forget about
the dozen phone calls
829
00:40:13,889 --> 00:40:15,503
from Pam to Betsy,
830
00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:19,637
but we don't have any records
from Pam's phone, so...
831
00:40:19,721 --> 00:40:21,552
Even without all of that,
832
00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:24,338
we can still prove
he got home too late.
833
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,036
Got his alibi.
834
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,296
We got a SODDI.
835
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,918
Hey, Russ. How you doing?
836
00:40:40,002 --> 00:40:41,616
Not great.
837
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,053
I haven't heard from my girls.
838
00:40:44,137 --> 00:40:46,098
I mean, radio silence.
839
00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:48,710
It's not like Mariah.
840
00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:50,886
I just...
841
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:53,192
I want to make things better,
I guess.
842
00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:55,281
Yeah, well, the trial's
right around the corner
843
00:40:55,365 --> 00:40:58,372
and I'm going to make sure
they see the Pam of it. Okay.
844
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,026
And you are gonna
get your girls back
845
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:03,725
because we got one thing
on our side that they don't,
846
00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:07,946
and it's a luxury that
I'm used to working without.
847
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:09,992
What's that?
848
00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:12,473
The truth.
849
00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:16,085
Ah, truth.
A powerful thing.
850
00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:22,918
But can it prevail in
a tight-knit town like Troy?
851
00:41:23,002 --> 00:41:25,311
Schwartz might want to keep
wife killers on the streets,
852
00:41:25,395 --> 00:41:26,791
but by the grace of God,
853
00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:30,142
I am putting this one away.
Whoo!
854
00:41:30,226 --> 00:41:31,405
Cheers to you!
855
00:41:42,456 --> 00:41:44,809
Yes. Yes!
856
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:46,245
Whoo-hoo!
857
00:41:48,593 --> 00:41:52,817
Hey, let's get this hero
another shot!
858
00:41:54,903 --> 00:41:56,299
Um, sir?
859
00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:57,953
Another Shirley Temple, sir.
860
00:41:58,037 --> 00:41:59,824
Sir? Hello?
861
00:42:08,743 --> 00:42:11,183
A tight-knit town indeed.
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