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...13, and it's even worse 'cause...
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There were multiple times
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where there was a rumbling and a rumor
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around Bill Cosby, and it went away.
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And then Hannibal Buress...
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But for whatever reason,
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when Hannibal Buress mentions Bill Cosby
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and talks about this stuff, it explodes.
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Bill Cosby--
Whoa, did you hear--
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Yeah, oh, no, it's--
they heard.
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Yeah.
Everybody heard.
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Everybody heard.
That's what happened.
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That's what happened.
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Nobody heard, and then everybody heard.
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And suddenly,
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this is no longer a rumbling
underneath the ground.
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This is now a full-blown explosion
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that everybody has to deal with.
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When I saw the video, I was just like,
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"What the hell is he talking about?
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A rapist?"
I'm like, "Oh, ugh. Ugh."
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For once, these women thought
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that somebody was listening to them.
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It is super important to bear in mind
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that Hannibal Buress is not just a man.
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He is a Black man.
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A man spoke up for what he did to women.
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We got a special guest in the building.
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The man who destroyed Bill Cosby's career.
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Oh, my goodness.
Don't start like that.
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Why Hannibal Buress?
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I don't really care whether
it took a man or a woman.
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It had its impact.
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Yep, I remember this.
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I know Hannibal a little bit,
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so I was clear on one thing:
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he was not trying to take down Bill Cosby.
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...it wasn't even a fully developed bit.
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It was still---
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He was just doing that thing that comics do:
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taking shots at a sacred cow.
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And this ain't the first time
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a Black comic had a problem with Bill Cosby.
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Do you watch The Bill Cosby Show?
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Yes!
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I do too.
I love Bill Cosby Show.
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I've been a big fan
of Bill Cosby all my life.
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Never met the man before,
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but he called me up about a year ago
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and chastised me on the phone
for being too dirty.
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"I would like
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to talk to you...
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about some of the things
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that you do in your show.
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You cannot say
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filth, flarn, filth, flarn,
filth in front of people."
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And I said, "I never said
no filth, flarn, filth."
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He says, "You know what I'm talking about.
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I can't use the type of language that you use,
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but you know what I mean when I say filth,
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flarn, flarn, flarn, filth."
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And I said, "I never said
no filth, flarn, filth.
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And I don't know what you're talking about.
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I'm offended that you called.
Fuck you."
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For some reason,
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Cosby's able to get people's numbers.
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That's what I want to know.
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How the fuck is he getting people's numbers?
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That's the weirdest shit.
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Like, "I got your number.
Don't ask why.
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I know everything.
Doopa-doopa-dop."
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I was so mad, I called Richard Pryor's house up
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and said, "Yo, Richard,
Bill Cosby just called me up
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and told me I was too dirty."
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And Richard said, "The next
time motherfucker call,
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tell him I said suck my dick."
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It was fucked up.
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He's this young guy doing comedy,
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and this old dude, who he looked up to,
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calls him and says,
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"You need to stop talking like this,"
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and, you know, the filth, flarn, the filth.
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And he was like, "Fuck you. Who are you?"
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That shit was crazy,
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and he was just dogging
different Black comedians.
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That is when I think people started going,
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"Why is our hero shitting on us?"
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I think one of the most embarrassing ones,
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where I thought he got a little bit overboard,
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was when Wanda Sykes--
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she's walking around talking to people
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at the Emmys,
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and she's just interviewing people.
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Mr. Cosby, Ray Romano
is presenting you your award.
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So what, was Nipsey Russell busy tonight?
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Nipsey could use some work.
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You know, you got Larry David sitting behind--
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you know, Larry don't know what he doing.
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You know that?
His show all improvised.
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Like, The Cosby Show, that was all scripted.
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Yeah, we spoke English.
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"We spoke English."
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Damn!
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I don't even--I--
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and Wanda recovered from it.
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But oh, my God, I wouldn't have gone back out.
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Mr. Cosby can be a little smug.
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Bill Cosby's tactics
were really to bully people.
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Bill Cosby.
Welcome, sir.
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Bill Cosby always thought
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that he was almost better than other people,
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because he was so clean
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and because he did present himself to the world
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in a certain kind of way.
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You're not crazy about the press
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and the way it's doing--
handling its job in America.
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No, because they lie.
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He made it clear that he did not like it
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when people wrote critically of him.
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If you criticize Bill Cosby,
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he's gonna do everything
he can to shut you down,
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and there were a lot
of people afraid of that.
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Some reporter says--
criticizes you
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or says something that's not quite true,
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some people will say, "What do you care?"
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I don't like anybody having fun with me
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because they're jealous.
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There were several instances
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where he would call reporters himself,
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making mild threats about, you know,
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a reporter's work,
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and a reporter needed to retract a story.
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That's frightening.
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Don't get upset with me
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because you decide to become a journalist
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and you're only making $700 a week,
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so you begin to tear up somebody
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who's making $60 million a year,
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that you begin to dislike that person.
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It is--it's dishonest.
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I was a new professor at Temple,
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and he had given a speech at Spelman College,
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talking about Black men being irresponsible.
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...are dropping out of high school.
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Sending their sperm out everywhere.
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But they know how to send
their sperm cells out.
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You know, just basically talking
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about Black men being these...
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social problems.
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And so I wrote an op-ed
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challenging and criticizing Bill Cosby.
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The next day, I get a phone call from my dean.
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I'm an untenured new professor.
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"Professor Hill, Bill Cosby has called me,
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he's called the provost,
he's called the president,
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and he's asking why you would do this,
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and he's asking if you are tenured,"
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which I took as a threat,
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'cause there ain't a couple reasons to ask--
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it's like if somebody in the hood asks you,
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"What size them"--you know,
"What size your sneakers?"
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It's like they sizing you up
to see how vulnerable you are.
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Then he calls the education college
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and says, "I want to start giving a talk
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to teachers on a regular basis
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about how they should talk
to their students."
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Mind you, he's never
taught a class in his life.
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I decide, "You know what? I'll go."
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So then I sit through it.
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So I go up to him.
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"Dr. Cosby, my name's Marc Lamont Hill."
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He turns and looks at me,
puts his sunglasses on,
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and then turns like this.
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Won't face me.
Turns away from me.
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I said, "Dr. Cosby, I wrote this piece,
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and I want you to recognize
that I appreciate
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what you do for our community.
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I just want to focus on the structural stuff
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and not the individual stuff.
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The personal responsibility stuff, I think,
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can't be the only story we tell.
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We gotta do both."
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And I'm expecting him
to, you know, engage me.
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And instead he says, without looking at me,
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"Mr. Hill"--
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he's Dr. Cosby, but I got to be Mr. Hill,
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and I got a real PhD.
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"Mr. Hill, was I fucking with you?"
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And I was like, "No."
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And he was like, "Then why
you up here fucking with me?"
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Like, all North Philly
came out of him, right?
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And then the next day, I go to my office,
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and there's a note for me
from my dean again.
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And he said, "Yeah, Bill Cosby called.
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He said that he tried to have a talk with you,
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but you just wouldn't listen."
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That's Bill Cosby.
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In 2014,
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NBC announced that it was creating
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a new family sitcom
with Bill Cosby at the center.
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NBC was like, "Great,
maybe we're gonna catch fire
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once again with another Cosby show,"
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even though on the Internet
for any executive to see
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was rape allegations against Bill Cosby
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and even rape allegations
on NBC on The Today Show.
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He produced two capsules in his hand,
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but I thought nothing of it and I--
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This stuff was out there.
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No one wanted to grapple with it.
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...you know, and that's how
the actual assault began.
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If multiple news pieces
are out there in the media
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and you still made that fucking deal,
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what kind of monsters are you?
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Yeah, see, now, there's a whole new culture.
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Most of us weren't
grappling with it back then.
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Bill Cosby was still America's dad.
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For me, when you were cursing,
I started crying.
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He was still Black America's angry grandpa.
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The kid could be busted tonight--
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But something about Hannibal's joke
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plus grainy cellphone footage
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plus this new era of
social media was explosive.
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The video of comedian Hannibal Buress
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went viral.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
Well, that's...
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Hannibal Buress.
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The spark that seemed
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to ignite an explosion--
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It put the lie to his sanctimony.
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How dare you criticize anyone else?
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Yeah, my pants might be sagging,
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but I ain't never raped nobody.
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I could hear his anger about the hypocrisy
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of being preached to.
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Now, suddenly, it's on Twitter
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and Facebook and YouTube,
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and suddenly what could have been a blip
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is now a full-blown media scandal.
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That unleashed an anti-Cosby blizzard of--
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Now, many people remember Hannibal's joke
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as being the thing that took down Bill Cosby,
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but that's not true.
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Bill Cosby was still
doing Bill Cosby things.
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Just a few weeks later,
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Bill and Camille were promoting
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and exhibition of their art at the Smithsonian,
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like nothing weird was going on.
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And there were lots of media interviews
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about the art, like it was business as usual.
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That thing is so wonderful.
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A couple journalists
did manage to ask questions
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about Hannibal's joke.
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I have to ask about your name
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coming up in the news recently
regarding this comedian.
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No, no, we don't answer that.
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Okay.
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At the time,
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those clips didn't see the light of day.
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Thank you.
'Cause...
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Thank you.
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Now, can I get something from you?
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What's that?
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That none of that will be shown.
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I--
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I can't promise that myself,
but you didn't say anything--
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I know I didn't say anything,
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but I'm asking your integrity
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that since I didn't want to say anything,
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but I did answer you in terms of
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"I don't want to say anything,"
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of what value will it have?
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I don't think it will--
Ma'am, what'd you say?
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Sorry?
What did you say?
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I don't think it has any value either.
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Yeah.
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And I would appreciate it
if it was scuttled.
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I hear you.
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I will tell that to my editors,
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and I think that they will understand.
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Well, I think if you want to consider yourself
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to be serious...
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...that it will not appear anywhere.
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Okay.
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And I think you need to get
on the phone with his...
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I will, yeah.
...person immediately.
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Okay.
Okay, thank you.
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At that particular point in time,
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it was sort of the perfect storm.
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It was my opportunity to tell my story.
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Now, even though Hannibal's joke
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got people talking,
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it was Barbara Bowman's op-ed
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that led other survivors to come forward.
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Monday morning, when it hit the paper,
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it went viral.
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The man who became known as America's dad
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now facing a variety of troubling allegations.
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I was hovering over the toilet bowl.
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Women coming forward with shocking claims.
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Two women have come forward,
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publicly accusing him of sexual assault.
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The next morning, I woke up,
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and I wasn't wearing my pajamas
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She is the fourth woman
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to come forward in recent weeks.
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In his hand, he had two big,
large, white pills.
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More trouble for Bill Cosby.
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Another woman has come--
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He grabbed me, like--
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He poured a beverage for me,
an alcoholic beverage.
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He had his hand on the back of my head--
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...this very predatory, intense look.
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...accusing comedian Bill Cosby
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of drugging and raping her.
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I wanted to leave.
I wanted to get out of there.
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Oh, my God.
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A woman comes forward claiming
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Cosby sexually assaulted her decades ago.
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I don't remember any of it.
He said, "I'm Bill Cosby."
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Another accusation of sexual assault--
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Another woman has come forward...
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The room started to spin.
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More trouble for Bill Cosby.
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At least 15 women have accused
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the 77-year-old of sexual assault.
329
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I had no interest in sex
of any kind with Bill Cosby.
330
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Cosby drugged and
assaulted them decades ago.
331
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I was drugged and raped by Bill Cosby.
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...claimed she was
drugged and raped by Cosby.
333
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Bill Cosby made me a victim.
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This was not--
I said, "Where's my dress?"
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...and the number of women
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leveling charges against him is growing.
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I was barely conscious.
338
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The accusations just keep coming.
339
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...with no clothes...
He said, "You owe me."
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The actor and comedian has been accused
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by more than 50 women.
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For as shocking as it was that he would have,
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you know, cheated on his wife,
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you were able to sort of rationalize that
347
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and say, "Well, Bill Cosby is a superstar.
348
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He has been famous
for about fifty-leven years.
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It's not totally inconceivable
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that even Bill Cosby
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has fallen short of the glory
of God, as they say."
352
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But this was something else.
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You start hearing about--
wait, what?
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That not only did he cheat,
355
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but he might have actually been,
356
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you know, a predator?
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He might have violated women?
This guy?
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It was impossible to comprehend, impossible.
359
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It was just like, "No, not Bill Cosby."
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It was very easy to believe
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that a white world
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that can't be trusted generally
363
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as it relates to matters of race
364
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would be more than willing
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to air
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grievances against Cosby
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that had some other kind of ulterior motive.
368
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Lot of conspiracy theories
pop out about Bill Cosby.
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Maybe the most popular one is
that he was about to buy NBC
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when these allegations come up.
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And, you know, they were not
gonna allow a Black man
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to have that much power in media.
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And so they just,
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I don't know, hired 68 women or something
375
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to lie about him.
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And there was no indication
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that NBC was gonna sell to him anyway.
378
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And just to be clear,
379
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NBC doesn't have to sell it to him.
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So the logic of it is bizarre,
381
00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:50,491
but we go to such extravagant lengths
382
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to avoid the obvious,
383
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which is that someone did harm,
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and they need to be held accountable.
385
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Lots of us had a hard time accepting this.
386
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But for many people,
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this July 2015 New York magazine cover
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was the moment the allegations
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really hit home.
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35 women and an empty chair
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to symbolize the women
who hadn't come forward.
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But for many Black folks,
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this just a white magazine
we don't read.
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How can we trust this?
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Kierna Mayo...
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It took a Black magazine
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and, more importantly, a Black woman
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to jump-start the conversation
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in our community.
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00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:29,029
The Cosby story was reaching a crescendo.
401
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All 60 women had not come out at the time,
402
00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:35,035
but there were enough that we couldn't deny
403
00:16:35,077 --> 00:16:37,538
that the most urgent conversation
404
00:16:37,579 --> 00:16:40,207
was centered around Cosby.
405
00:16:40,249 --> 00:16:43,210
We know that we need to disrupt the idea
406
00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:44,878
that this family is still intact,
407
00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,338
'cause not only are the Huxtables
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00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:47,673
no longer intact,
409
00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:49,883
but our families, Black families,
410
00:16:49,925 --> 00:16:52,970
as a result of this
conversation, feel broken.
411
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,513
People are pretty upset tonight
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about the cover of November's EBONY magazine.
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We realized that being EBONY magazine,
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the oldest Black publication,
415
00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:07,317
the most venerable Black
publication in the country,
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that we just had a real
serious responsibility.
417
00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:13,157
Because EBONY itself had a legacy,
418
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and that legacy usually was about uplift.
419
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That legacy prior to that moment
420
00:17:21,457 --> 00:17:24,376
had not been about critical analysis.
421
00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:27,421
It had been about Black excellence on display.
422
00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:30,966
So it was scary as hell,
423
00:17:31,008 --> 00:17:33,343
and almost immediately,
424
00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:35,888
we started getting a lot of criticism.
425
00:17:35,929 --> 00:17:37,097
People are mad.
426
00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:39,058
I mean, they are mad at this cover
427
00:17:39,099 --> 00:17:42,061
because they believe that EBONY magazine,
428
00:17:42,102 --> 00:17:44,438
I think, is supposed to show glowing images
429
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all the time of African Americans.
430
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And so that began an onslaught of attacks
431
00:17:48,984 --> 00:17:51,570
directed toward me personally.
432
00:17:51,612 --> 00:17:54,448
But at the time, the best we could do
433
00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:56,784
was think about a way
that we could anchor this
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00:17:56,825 --> 00:17:58,619
so that it was unavoidable,
435
00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:00,662
so that every household in America,
436
00:18:00,704 --> 00:18:01,955
to the extent that Black folks
437
00:18:01,997 --> 00:18:03,624
were still subscribing to EBONY,
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00:18:03,665 --> 00:18:05,084
they had to engage.
439
00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:06,710
There was no more running, you know?
440
00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:08,587
The only way out is through.
441
00:18:08,629 --> 00:18:11,340
soft tense music
442
00:18:11,381 --> 00:18:16,178
I have been in this business 52 years,
443
00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:18,514
and I will--
444
00:18:18,555 --> 00:18:20,557
I've never seen anything like this.
445
00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:23,602
This is about the obliteration of legacy.
446
00:18:23,644 --> 00:18:27,231
In America, still--
I know it's a shock,
447
00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:29,483
but you actually were innocent
448
00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:31,401
Until proven guilty.
Until proven guilty.
449
00:18:31,443 --> 00:18:33,612
This story, initially,
450
00:18:33,654 --> 00:18:36,323
was seen as white women
451
00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:39,368
accusing a Black man
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of sexual impropriety.
453
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:45,165
And that, for African Americans,
454
00:18:45,207 --> 00:18:47,668
caused us to go, "Hold up.
455
00:18:47,709 --> 00:18:49,336
What's going on here?"
456
00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:51,755
As Black people,
457
00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:54,174
we gonna give you about 15 chances.
458
00:18:54,216 --> 00:18:56,426
You know what I mean?
R. Kelly? Bullshit!
459
00:18:56,468 --> 00:18:58,345
OJ?
Come on!
460
00:18:58,387 --> 00:19:00,305
We don't give in that easy.
461
00:19:00,347 --> 00:19:03,308
You really gonna have to have
some scientific proof
462
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:05,018
that this really happened,
'cause they know--
463
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:07,396
We know they love taking down our heroes.
464
00:19:07,437 --> 00:19:10,065
So I just didn't think that this guy,
465
00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:12,317
Mr. Huxtable, Mr. Jell-O Pudding,
466
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,987
was doing this to these women.
467
00:19:15,028 --> 00:19:19,158
Black men have generally not
been standing up to defend us.
468
00:19:19,199 --> 00:19:21,034
They haven't, and unfortunately,
469
00:19:21,076 --> 00:19:23,912
it's very sad for me to say,
but it has been the Black man
470
00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:26,748
who has been my worst enemy in this.
471
00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:28,709
Just attacking me, blaming, shaming me.
472
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,170
Like, "How dare you
speak out against Bill Cosby?
473
00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:32,880
He's an icon."
474
00:19:32,921 --> 00:19:35,591
Look, I know Lili is telling the truth
475
00:19:35,632 --> 00:19:37,759
'cause I've seen it.
476
00:19:37,801 --> 00:19:39,678
America has a history and a present
477
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,346
of turning its back on Black women,
478
00:19:41,388 --> 00:19:42,973
and women overall,
479
00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:45,517
who experience sexual assault and rape.
480
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,689
And unfortunately for many Black men,
481
00:19:50,731 --> 00:19:53,150
we feel like we know Bill Cosby,
482
00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:54,902
so we want to take up for him.
483
00:19:54,943 --> 00:19:56,695
...claims she was drugged and raped by Cosby.
484
00:19:56,737 --> 00:19:58,155
And since we don't know these women,
485
00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:00,240
we don't take up for them.
486
00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:02,075
That's the frustrating part.
487
00:20:02,117 --> 00:20:05,204
Sometimes you don't believe
until rape or sexual assault
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00:20:05,245 --> 00:20:06,914
happens to someone you know.
489
00:20:06,955 --> 00:20:08,582
I didn't believe none of them women.
490
00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:11,710
Whatever it was, 36 women.
I was like, "Yeah."
491
00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:13,378
And they were like,
"All the stories match."
492
00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:16,381
I go, "She heard her
yesterday on The Today Show,
493
00:20:16,423 --> 00:20:18,383
and she heard her on Good Morning America,
494
00:20:18,425 --> 00:20:20,260
and she read about her in L.A. Times,
495
00:20:20,302 --> 00:20:21,762
and they made their stories match.
496
00:20:21,803 --> 00:20:24,056
It wasn't until...
497
00:20:24,097 --> 00:20:26,850
I saw Beverly Johnson's interview.
498
00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:29,853
Please welcome Beverly Johnson.
499
00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:33,440
And the way her face looked.
500
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And I'm friends with her.
I play golf with her.
501
00:20:35,651 --> 00:20:36,944
She said--I think--
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I can't remember why she said it.
503
00:20:38,153 --> 00:20:40,072
She said she went to go visit him...
504
00:20:40,113 --> 00:20:43,075
And then he started to make
this cappuccino
505
00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:45,285
and offered me a cup of cappuccino...
506
00:20:45,327 --> 00:20:46,411
He gave her a drink.
507
00:20:46,453 --> 00:20:48,580
I really don't want to drink it.
508
00:20:48,622 --> 00:20:50,999
And he insisted that I drink this cappuccino.
509
00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:52,125
And she drank it...
510
00:20:52,167 --> 00:20:53,794
So I took a sip of the cappuccino
511
00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:57,673
and I said, "Hmm."
512
00:20:57,714 --> 00:21:01,718
And at that moment, I knew I had been drugged.
513
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:02,928
And then she looked at him and said...
514
00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:05,055
You're a.
515
00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:07,557
"You motherfucker."
516
00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:11,478
And the way she said that shit made me go,
517
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,731
"Okay, there may be something to it."
518
00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:16,316
I was like, "Oh, they're lying
519
00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:17,943
or exaggerating.
520
00:21:17,985 --> 00:21:20,404
I know that shit did not happen like that."
521
00:21:20,445 --> 00:21:22,948
But then what happened was,
522
00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:26,368
I bump into this friend from years ago.
523
00:21:28,495 --> 00:21:31,748
"Oh, hey, before you go,
524
00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:33,500
can I ask you something?"
525
00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:34,960
"Go ahead, ask."
526
00:21:35,002 --> 00:21:37,462
"So back in the day,
527
00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:40,299
you know, you were really close with Bill
528
00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:43,885
and I just was curious,
529
00:21:43,927 --> 00:21:45,721
did he ever try anything with you?"
530
00:21:47,014 --> 00:21:49,683
Silence, tears start coming down.
531
00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:52,686
So we sit in my car, and, I don't know,
532
00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:54,855
it was an hour later, something like that,
533
00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:57,816
she spilled it all out,
534
00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:00,736
and she says to me, "Do you believe me?"
535
00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:04,614
And said, "Yes, I believe you."
536
00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,867
She wasn't lying.
537
00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:10,037
So he at least did it to her,
and if he did it to her,
538
00:22:10,078 --> 00:22:14,333
then yes, I believe
that there were other women
539
00:22:14,374 --> 00:22:17,711
who were claiming--
I believe them.
540
00:22:17,753 --> 00:22:20,047
And I get where the backlash comes from,
541
00:22:20,088 --> 00:22:22,049
because America has regularly
542
00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:24,718
and repeatedly wrongfully accused,
543
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,554
wrongfully imprisoned,
and straight-up murdered
544
00:22:27,596 --> 00:22:29,431
Black men for nothing.
545
00:22:32,893 --> 00:22:34,478
So out of that comes a general feeling
546
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:36,063
in the Black community
547
00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:39,483
that Black men need to be
protected at all costs,
548
00:22:39,524 --> 00:22:41,610
even if their crimes are awful.
549
00:22:43,945 --> 00:22:46,782
Okay, so people think that
it's a conspiracy, right?
550
00:22:46,823 --> 00:22:48,367
That a bunch of white women
are trying to take
551
00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:49,368
Bill Cosby down?
552
00:22:49,409 --> 00:22:50,911
Well, a third of us,
553
00:22:50,952 --> 00:22:53,914
of his public survivors, are Black women.
554
00:22:53,955 --> 00:22:56,625
There was this idea
that, you know, he's being
555
00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:58,627
Emmett Till-ed, if you will,
556
00:22:58,668 --> 00:22:59,878
because these are white women
557
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,755
making these accusations
against a Black man,
558
00:23:01,797 --> 00:23:04,966
except it wasn't only white women.
559
00:23:05,008 --> 00:23:06,593
People kind of, like, cut that part out,
560
00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:08,095
that there were Black women
561
00:23:08,136 --> 00:23:09,554
and, in the case of someone
like Beverly Johnson,
562
00:23:09,596 --> 00:23:12,015
a very well-known Black woman.
563
00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:13,725
But that didn't fit
the particular narrative
564
00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:15,435
that they were trying to sell.
565
00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:18,605
But we were talking suddenly
about dozens of women.
566
00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:20,774
And I think at some point,
567
00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:23,443
the count stopped at, like, 60.
568
00:23:23,485 --> 00:23:25,195
And you knew,
569
00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:27,072
at least I felt I knew as a woman,
570
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:28,865
if it was 60,
571
00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,493
it was probably 120 or 150.
572
00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,457
Deep Black girl sigh.
573
00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,292
Bill Cosby was not lynched.
574
00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:42,212
Bill Cosby actively chose
to be a perpetrator,
575
00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:45,132
You know, this is when
Black protectionism goes bad.
576
00:23:45,173 --> 00:23:47,717
For Black women in particular,
577
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,178
when you have to tell your story,
578
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:54,683
and your story involves
a Black male perpetrator,
579
00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:58,437
what you carry is so much more
than just the weight
580
00:23:58,478 --> 00:24:01,940
of having been sexually assaulted.
581
00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:04,025
There is a psychological burden
582
00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:06,903
that is unbelievable.
583
00:24:06,945 --> 00:24:08,363
It's very real.
584
00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:10,282
Just as it was true for R. Kelly,
585
00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:12,784
it's been true for Bill Cosby, it's been true
586
00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:14,578
for other predators in the Black community
587
00:24:14,619 --> 00:24:16,538
that the popular culture didn't care enough
588
00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:19,374
about the victims to pick up the narrative.
589
00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:22,335
It's often been Black women
keeping that narrative alive.
590
00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:24,463
But no, it's tough being a sister saying,
591
00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:27,632
"No, Bill Cosby probably raped that woman."
592
00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:30,343
Saying it not just on television and in essays,
593
00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:32,179
which is one place to do it,
594
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:35,515
but saying it in your home,
saying it at the cookout.
595
00:24:35,557 --> 00:24:37,476
Stop the rape!
And let's be clear.
596
00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:39,186
It's often the Black women doing the work
597
00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:40,687
to protect our community.
598
00:24:40,729 --> 00:24:42,022
Look at Tarana Burke
599
00:24:42,063 --> 00:24:44,316
and the #MeToo movement she started,
600
00:24:44,357 --> 00:24:46,151
Dream Hampton and her docuseries,
601
00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,195
Surviving R. Kelly,
602
00:24:48,236 --> 00:24:50,989
and Kenyette Barnes and Oronike Odeleye,
603
00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:52,866
founders of the Mute R. Kelly campaign.
604
00:24:52,908 --> 00:24:54,201
We love you.
605
00:24:54,242 --> 00:24:55,869
They did the big work
606
00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:57,829
that the criminal justice
system refused to do.
607
00:24:57,871 --> 00:24:59,623
No justice--
No peace.
608
00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:04,002
NBC canceled plans for a Bill Cosby sitcom.
609
00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,253
The comedian was set to make his return
610
00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:06,630
to the small screen with the network
611
00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:08,298
that made him a star in a new family comedy.
612
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,799
NBC has elected to drop the project
613
00:25:09,841 --> 00:25:11,092
in light of recent events.
614
00:25:11,134 --> 00:25:12,260
The head of NBC at the time,
615
00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:13,803
Bob Greenblatt, said,
616
00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:16,139
"Well, we were aware of allegations."
617
00:25:16,181 --> 00:25:17,891
Plural.
618
00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,559
And I'm paraphrasing what he said,
619
00:25:19,601 --> 00:25:22,020
but "We were aware
that there were settlements."
620
00:25:23,146 --> 00:25:24,439
Plural.
621
00:25:25,982 --> 00:25:27,859
But they did the deal anyway.
622
00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,655
And then he says something like,
623
00:25:31,696 --> 00:25:33,240
"Well, because now, it's 15 women.
624
00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:35,700
It's not just two."
625
00:25:35,742 --> 00:25:37,536
That's one of those days where I'm like,
626
00:25:37,577 --> 00:25:39,079
"Launch this whole
motherfucking industry
627
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,914
into the Sun."
628
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:43,875
629
00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:45,418
630
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:48,880
We see what happens
to individuals who come
631
00:25:48,922 --> 00:25:51,758
and make allegations of sexual assault.
632
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,762
They find themselves vilified, discredited.
633
00:25:55,804 --> 00:25:59,224
Every part of their background
gets hauled into question.
634
00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:00,767
"You drank too much.
635
00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:04,354
You slept with too many people.
636
00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:06,815
You didn't report.
You're a liar."
637
00:26:06,856 --> 00:26:08,275
What has held you back
638
00:26:08,316 --> 00:26:10,819
all these years from
telling this story in detail?
639
00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:12,571
The big question for a lot of people
640
00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:13,822
is, why now?
641
00:26:13,863 --> 00:26:14,990
Did you call anyone?
642
00:26:15,031 --> 00:26:16,074
Do you call the police?
643
00:26:16,116 --> 00:26:17,409
Do you tell a girlfriend?
644
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,411
Do you tell your mother?
Do you tell anyone?
645
00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:21,204
Why have you waited so long?
646
00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,331
You took the pill.
You drank the alcohol.
647
00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:24,749
...and you put yourself in a position
648
00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:26,918
to be close to him again.
Why would you do that?
649
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,461
What were you doing to take that drink?
650
00:26:28,503 --> 00:26:30,130
What were you doing there at 2 a.m.?
651
00:26:30,171 --> 00:26:31,590
That's rape culture.
652
00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,551
I remember telling my mom,
653
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,763
"Mom, I drank some alcohol,
and I just don't remember,
654
00:26:38,805 --> 00:26:41,558
and, oh, my God, he's just never--
655
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,977
I made an idiot of myself, you know?"
656
00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:47,397
The funny part is, I did tell this story
657
00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:50,150
to multiple people within the family.
658
00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:53,111
So when my husband said,
659
00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:54,654
"I want you to watch this interview.
660
00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,823
You have to look at this interview,"
661
00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:58,700
and I'm thinking to myself,
"What are you talking about?
662
00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:01,328
You know, why is this so urgent?"
663
00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:04,998
And he has to initiate,
he has to bring it out of me,
664
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,916
because I start to shut down.
665
00:27:06,958 --> 00:27:08,209
And I'm getting--you can see
666
00:27:08,251 --> 00:27:09,502
I'm getting shaky from it, but--
667
00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:12,714
Okay.
668
00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:13,965
One thing survivors of rape
669
00:27:14,007 --> 00:27:15,717
and sexual assault need
670
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:17,552
is someone who is on their side.
671
00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:19,137
Hello.
Hi.
672
00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:20,639
Many don't have that person.
673
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,933
But Lise, she's got that person.
674
00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:25,852
Why are you so far away?
Come here.
675
00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:29,397
Give me a kiss.
676
00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:32,901
How you doing?
Good. All right.
677
00:27:35,862 --> 00:27:40,450
You know, I do a lot of--
I go online,
678
00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:43,536
I always watch CNN, Yahoo News,
679
00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:45,038
Fox News, you name it.
680
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,374
So I saw the video of Janice Dickenson.
681
00:27:47,415 --> 00:27:49,334
He had given me wine
682
00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:51,544
and I had been
683
00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:53,171
sexually assaulted by this man.
684
00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:54,381
And it was like
685
00:27:54,422 --> 00:27:55,840
check marks started to go off.
686
00:27:55,882 --> 00:27:56,966
It's like, "Check mark,
that's just like Lise.
687
00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:58,218
Check mark, that's just like Lise.
688
00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,595
Check mark, that's just like Lise."
689
00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:04,057
I sent her the video, and I said, you know,
690
00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:05,725
"Give me a call after you see it,
691
00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:08,061
like, right when you're done."
692
00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:11,439
And so she walks through the door,
693
00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:13,900
and it's like, nothing, you know?
694
00:28:13,942 --> 00:28:16,111
So I turned to her and I look at her
695
00:28:16,152 --> 00:28:19,322
and I said, "Hey, did you see that?
696
00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:21,241
The interview with Janice Dickenson."
697
00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:24,035
She said, "Yeah, you know, I saw the interview."
698
00:28:24,077 --> 00:28:25,662
I said, "So what did you think about it?"
699
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:28,081
She goes, "I don't know what to think of it."
700
00:28:28,123 --> 00:28:31,042
And I think later in the day,
701
00:28:31,084 --> 00:28:34,379
I watched it again
and I watched it again
702
00:28:34,421 --> 00:28:37,841
and I was like, "Oh, my God.
703
00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:39,884
This is real," you know?
704
00:28:39,926 --> 00:28:41,302
Yeah.
705
00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:43,722
And then I knew that she knew.
706
00:28:43,763 --> 00:28:46,015
And now, this process of,
707
00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:48,977
"Where do we go
from here and...
708
00:28:49,018 --> 00:28:54,065
what have we started?" begins.
709
00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:57,193
Bill Cosby appears to think
that rape is a joke.
710
00:28:57,235 --> 00:28:59,320
Well, let me
tell you something, Bill.
711
00:28:59,362 --> 00:29:01,489
I'm not laughing.
712
00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:04,826
I'm furious, and I've decided
to fight for my rights
713
00:29:04,868 --> 00:29:07,537
and the rights of every man,
woman, and child
714
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:09,622
who have been victimized
by sexual crime.
715
00:29:11,458 --> 00:29:13,001
I'm going
through a divorce now,
716
00:29:13,042 --> 00:29:15,211
but my soon-to-be ex-husband,
717
00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:17,547
he was
very instrumentally trying
718
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:20,258
to prevent me
from going public.
719
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:21,509
He was like,
"You can't go public!
720
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:22,719
You can't go public!"
721
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:23,887
I was like,
"I have to go public!"
722
00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:25,013
"- You can't.
You're gonna be a--
723
00:29:25,054 --> 00:29:26,222
look at what's happening
to the women.
724
00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:27,724
They're gonna shame you
and blame you,
725
00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,601
and it was your fault anyway,
726
00:29:29,642 --> 00:29:30,643
and why'd you go to his house
727
00:29:30,685 --> 00:29:31,603
and"--
728
00:29:31,644 --> 00:29:32,979
And in the argument like this,
729
00:29:33,021 --> 00:29:33,938
down comes Rafael.
730
00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:36,107
He's like, "Mom, you mean--
731
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:37,275
this happened to you, Mom?
732
00:29:37,317 --> 00:29:38,485
Why are you silent?
733
00:29:38,526 --> 00:29:40,278
Mom, you got to speak out.
734
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,407
Mom, speak out.
Speak out, Mom. Speak out."
735
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:48,244
So because of him,
I spoke out.
736
00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:50,830
After he had won
my complete trust
737
00:29:50,872 --> 00:29:53,166
and adoration,
738
00:29:53,208 --> 00:29:55,126
he drugged and raped me.
739
00:29:56,461 --> 00:29:57,504
Good evening.
740
00:29:57,545 --> 00:29:59,172
Tonight,
new and graphic details
741
00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:01,090
about Bill Cosby's
own admission
742
00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:02,926
concerning drugs, hush money,
743
00:30:02,967 --> 00:30:04,844
and sexual assault
allegations.
744
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:08,097
The question was, why then?
745
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:11,851
Andrea Constand had filed
her lawsuit prior to that.
746
00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:15,104
Thirteen Jane Does
came forward
747
00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:17,524
to say they would testify.
748
00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:22,487
Then it settled, and then
we didn't hear anything more.
749
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:26,199
For that civil suit,
Cosby was deposed.
750
00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:29,160
But there was agreement
751
00:30:29,202 --> 00:30:31,329
that that deposition
be sealed.
752
00:30:31,371 --> 00:30:33,915
Nobody was ever able
to see it.
753
00:30:33,957 --> 00:30:38,837
The judge argued
because he had
754
00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:40,421
kind of branded himself
755
00:30:40,463 --> 00:30:44,551
as this public moralist
during these callouts,
756
00:30:44,592 --> 00:30:46,886
telling, you know,
poor Black people
757
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:51,391
to pull their pants up
and disparaging single moms,
758
00:30:51,432 --> 00:30:53,685
this deposition
should be unsealed.
759
00:30:53,726 --> 00:30:57,188
And when that deposition
was unsealed,
760
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:59,607
Cosby's own words sunk him.
761
00:30:59,649 --> 00:31:01,359
In a 2005 deposition,
762
00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:03,236
Cosby admitted under oath
763
00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:04,821
that he got a sedative
764
00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:07,198
for the purpose
of giving it to women
765
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,409
with whom he wanted
to have sex.
766
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:11,077
Now, if you were
a person who believed
767
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,247
Bill Cosby was capable
of sexual assault and rape,
768
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:16,416
then this was
all the evidence you needed.
769
00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:21,754
But if you were
a Bill Cosby defender,
770
00:31:21,796 --> 00:31:23,172
then you could frame this
771
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:25,008
as Bill Cosby
just being a celebrity
772
00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:28,595
whose idea of a good time
included drugs and sex.
773
00:31:28,636 --> 00:31:29,929
But Bill Cosby said
774
00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:31,431
something else
in this deposition
775
00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:33,099
which, as far
as I'm concerned,
776
00:31:33,141 --> 00:31:35,435
ends any debate.
777
00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:37,020
Cosby said
the sexual encounters
778
00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,439
with Constand
were consensual.
779
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,608
"I don't hear her
say anything," he said,
780
00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:52,660
If Bill Cosby,
781
00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:54,621
or any other person,
782
00:31:54,662 --> 00:31:58,291
is drugging a woman,
783
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,711
he knows
that she cannot consent.
784
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,547
That's why he's drugging her.
785
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:07,300
I must have read that
50 different times
786
00:32:07,342 --> 00:32:11,804
and cringed 50 different ways
each time I read it.
787
00:32:11,846 --> 00:32:13,806
I mean, anybody,
788
00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:17,060
certainly someone as
intelligent as Bill Cosby,
789
00:32:17,101 --> 00:32:19,062
understands that if it's not
790
00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:22,148
a resounding yes
from the woman,
791
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:23,316
then it's a no.
792
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:26,152
Bill Cosby was
a rich and funny
793
00:32:26,194 --> 00:32:29,489
and, I'm sure,
very bright man.
794
00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:32,325
He could have had sex
with somebody
795
00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:35,286
who agreed
to have sex with him.
796
00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:38,623
But he wanted to have sex
with unconscious women,
797
00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:40,333
and that's deviant.
798
00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:42,502
If we actually grappled
with the fact
799
00:32:42,543 --> 00:32:45,171
that sex negativity is
what causes
800
00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:47,465
this type of behavior,
801
00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,802
then we could create a world
802
00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:55,014
where, in an idyllically
sex-positive world,
803
00:32:55,056 --> 00:32:58,851
someone is able to pay
conscious women
804
00:32:58,893 --> 00:33:02,814
to come and be drugged
so that I can get my kink out,
805
00:33:02,855 --> 00:33:05,525
my fetish on having sex
with unconscious people.
806
00:33:05,566 --> 00:33:07,610
There's a consensual way
to do that.
807
00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:09,404
I think one of the reasons
that it was difficult
808
00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:13,366
for people to really accept
809
00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:16,536
that Cosby was
810
00:33:16,577 --> 00:33:20,206
what he ultimately is
811
00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:22,166
is that I don't think
that people were willing
812
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:24,293
to countenance
813
00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:28,172
that kind of exponent
of hypocrisy.
814
00:33:28,214 --> 00:33:32,885
It's just so different
if someone trusts you
815
00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:34,721
and you drug that person.
816
00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:39,308
You know,
that's where I struggle,
817
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:43,021
because here's a guy
I love on one level,
818
00:33:43,062 --> 00:33:46,524
but...
819
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:50,403
you do that to someone,
you're a fucking monster.
820
00:33:51,988 --> 00:33:54,115
You're a fucking monster.
821
00:33:55,616 --> 00:33:59,704
Bill Cosby gave you
a very clear pattern
822
00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:00,872
that he engaged in.
823
00:34:00,913 --> 00:34:02,540
He told you what he did.
824
00:34:02,582 --> 00:34:04,333
He told you about the pills,
825
00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:06,002
he told you
that they went in drinks.
826
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,670
You took a little drop
827
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:09,213
and you put it in a drink.
Drop it in the Coca-Cola.
828
00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:12,800
He made that very clear
without anybody else's help,
829
00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:14,635
without any witness testimony,
830
00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:17,346
without any other
circumstantial evidence.
831
00:34:17,388 --> 00:34:19,557
If I just go by
what Bill Cosby tells me,
832
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:20,767
I know he's a creep.
833
00:34:20,808 --> 00:34:22,518
Haven't you ever noticed
after people have
834
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,355
some of my barbecue sauce,
they get all huggy-buggy?
835
00:34:26,397 --> 00:34:29,108
So if Bill Cosby tells us
all of that,
836
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:31,444
why would I not believe
the dozens of women
837
00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:33,279
who have come forward
and corroborated
838
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:35,114
the very same kinds
of stories?
839
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:36,949
You know, there are, like,
little indicators of things
840
00:34:36,991 --> 00:34:38,367
that happened
that you just go,
841
00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:40,912
"Hmm, that was
a little different."
842
00:34:40,953 --> 00:34:44,707
And one of them was
this story, you know,
843
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:46,918
that he told me
where he was like,
844
00:34:46,959 --> 00:34:49,295
"You know, life is good
in the movies or whatever.
845
00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:50,588
But you just be ready
846
00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:51,881
because when this movie
comes out,
847
00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:53,382
you're gonna need two
848
00:34:53,424 --> 00:34:54,592
'cause the women are gonna
be all over you."
849
00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:55,635
I was like...
850
00:34:59,514 --> 00:35:02,517
"No. What?"
851
00:35:02,558 --> 00:35:04,310
"I'm sorry, Dr. Huxtable,
what was that?"
852
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:10,149
A narcissist doesn't think
they're doing anything wrong.
853
00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:14,070
They think everybody else
is wrong, except for them.
854
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,490
And I think that was
indicative of Bill Cosby.
855
00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:19,659
So if he drugged a woman,
856
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:21,869
he didn't think
he was doing anything wrong.
857
00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:24,455
He thought, you know,
"This is okay
858
00:35:24,497 --> 00:35:26,040
because I'm Bill Cosby.
859
00:35:26,082 --> 00:35:27,917
I'm rich. I'm famous.
860
00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:29,836
I'm not getting away
with anything.
861
00:35:29,877 --> 00:35:32,421
I'm not doing anything wrong
in the first place."
862
00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:35,007
Yes, I'm gonna be
in Wheeling, West Virginia,
863
00:35:35,049 --> 00:35:36,968
Capital Music Hall.
864
00:35:37,009 --> 00:35:39,095
Eight o'clock show,
that's right.
865
00:35:39,137 --> 00:35:41,139
And you know
I'll be hilarious.
866
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:42,598
Can't wait.
867
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,975
Well, despite facing
868
00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:45,017
two new allegations
of sexual assault,
869
00:35:45,059 --> 00:35:46,644
Bill Cosby is going on
870
00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:48,813
with his stand-up comedy tour
as planned.
871
00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:52,692
I wasn't shocked at all
872
00:35:52,733 --> 00:35:56,654
to see Bill Cosby go on tour
873
00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:58,948
in the middle
of this firestorm.
874
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:02,326
This was Bill Cosby
saying, "Uh-uh.
875
00:36:02,368 --> 00:36:04,829
I'm not gonna go into hiding.
876
00:36:04,871 --> 00:36:06,330
I'm not going to buckle."
877
00:36:06,372 --> 00:36:07,415
Demonstrators are calling
878
00:36:07,456 --> 00:36:10,126
for Cosby to quit performing.
879
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:13,838
He was cementing the fact
that he was finished
880
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,798
because when you're
far from finished,
881
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,134
you understand
the changing tides.
882
00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:20,178
And that's why
people started showing up
883
00:36:20,219 --> 00:36:22,638
and protesting, to say, "No,
884
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,558
the days of you being able
to do what you do
885
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,643
and carry on as though
nothing has happened
886
00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:28,811
is over, buddy.
887
00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:30,938
It's over."
888
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:32,148
Good afternoon,
and we're coming on the air
889
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:33,399
with breaking news.
890
00:36:33,441 --> 00:36:35,359
Bill Cosby,
just a short time ago,
891
00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:37,486
arraigned on felony
sexual assault charges
892
00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:39,572
in a Pennsylvania courtroom.
893
00:36:39,614 --> 00:36:42,158
He's accused of drugging
and attacking a woman
894
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,202
in his home 12 years ago,
895
00:36:44,243 --> 00:36:45,745
the statute of limitations
in this case
896
00:36:45,786 --> 00:36:47,747
expiring next month.
897
00:36:47,788 --> 00:36:50,666
How did I feel
when Cosby was charged?
898
00:36:50,708 --> 00:36:54,587
I was elated
but a little bit wary
899
00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:57,256
that maybe justice
wouldn't be served.
900
00:36:57,298 --> 00:36:58,758
It is one of the most
901
00:36:58,799 --> 00:37:00,259
anticipated trials
of the year.
902
00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:01,719
The actor
and comedian has been accused
903
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:03,221
by more than 50 women.
904
00:37:03,262 --> 00:37:05,181
In the Bill Cosby case,
905
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:08,142
it was also very important
to have other women testify.
906
00:37:08,184 --> 00:37:11,854
These were witnesses
who also, for the most part,
907
00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:15,149
alleged that they were drugged
and sexually assaulted.
908
00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:18,110
The jury can conclude
909
00:37:18,152 --> 00:37:21,489
that because he had a pattern
of drugging women,
910
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:23,616
he knew
they could not consent.
911
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:27,245
The women that came forward
did not consent
912
00:37:27,286 --> 00:37:29,413
to be drugged
and unconscious.
913
00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:31,082
It was a three-ring circus
914
00:37:31,123 --> 00:37:32,458
in that courtroom, Kamau.
915
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:35,920
It was just like,
"Damn, those"--it was like--
916
00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:38,464
I was shocked to see
917
00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:40,758
how much revictimization
is allowed
918
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,803
in a rape trial.
919
00:37:43,844 --> 00:37:47,098
Well, I was hired
by the District Attorney
920
00:37:47,139 --> 00:37:51,269
in Bill Cosby's trial
to act as a blind expert.
921
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:53,229
First of all,
you need to understand
922
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:55,314
that I grew up
with Bill Cosby, too.
923
00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:58,067
And I loved him.
924
00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:01,028
I thought
that he was really funny.
925
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:03,281
I didn't really look over
at Bill Cosby,
926
00:38:03,322 --> 00:38:04,907
except for during a break.
927
00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:08,286
And when I looked over at him
and he was smirking,
928
00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:12,790
his demeanor was
entirely consistent
929
00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:15,042
with every other sex offender
930
00:38:15,084 --> 00:38:18,045
that I'd ever testified
in front of, you know?
931
00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:20,589
And so I didn't have
even a moment
932
00:38:20,631 --> 00:38:25,469
of, you know,
feeling starstruck.
933
00:38:27,221 --> 00:38:29,515
I was the lucky one
that got Tom Mesereau
934
00:38:29,557 --> 00:38:32,852
to cross-examine me.
935
00:38:32,893 --> 00:38:37,398
He had the nerve to ask me
so many stupid questions.
936
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,985
He tried to make it sound
like we were all whores,
937
00:38:41,027 --> 00:38:43,029
and what were we wearing
that night,
938
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:45,281
and fuck him for that.
939
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,366
He is an asshole.
940
00:38:47,408 --> 00:38:51,412
Susan B. Anthony said
courage is the best protection
941
00:38:51,454 --> 00:38:54,749
that a woman can have,
and I believe it.
942
00:38:55,916 --> 00:38:58,044
I think seeing her
testify was--
943
00:38:58,085 --> 00:38:59,712
it was unbelievable.
944
00:38:59,754 --> 00:39:03,049
And she's sitting there,
you know, in the seat,
945
00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:05,384
and Cosby's,
you know, right across,
946
00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:07,219
throwing distance.
947
00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:08,346
They're asking her
the questions,
948
00:39:08,387 --> 00:39:09,555
"So what happened
on this date?
949
00:39:09,597 --> 00:39:11,265
What happened, you know--
and, you know,
950
00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:13,392
he gave you a drink,"
and all this.
951
00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:15,895
And you're sitting there
and you're able
952
00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:17,730
to tell your truth.
953
00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:20,066
It--
954
00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:22,526
you're the strongest woman
I've ever known.
955
00:39:22,568 --> 00:39:23,986
I've known.
956
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:33,454
You are.
957
00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:39,627
I love you to death.
958
00:39:39,668 --> 00:39:41,796
I love you, too.
959
00:39:41,837 --> 00:39:44,548
tense music
960
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:45,966
There is breaking news
961
00:39:46,008 --> 00:39:47,802
in Bill Cosby's
sexual assault retrial.
962
00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:49,428
There has been a verdict.
963
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:52,598
The comedian, now 80, has been
found guilty on all counts.
964
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,266
A judge in Pennsylvania
965
00:39:54,308 --> 00:39:56,894
has just sentenced Bill Cosby
to no less than three
966
00:39:56,936 --> 00:39:59,605
and no more than ten years
behind bars.
967
00:40:10,157 --> 00:40:11,700
It felt awful.
968
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:15,579
It felt really sad.
969
00:40:15,621 --> 00:40:17,123
It felt like--
970
00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:21,752
I mean, look,
971
00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:23,796
the reality is,
is he needed to go to prison.
972
00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:24,880
He's a criminal.
973
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:28,092
But was I at home cheering?
974
00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:32,388
No, I was like, "This is
one of the worst--
975
00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:37,143
...this is just a sad day
976
00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:38,811
in the history
of Black culture."
977
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:40,688
Actually,
really more than anything,
978
00:40:40,729 --> 00:40:42,106
what I felt sad about
979
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:46,318
is what it did to Black--
980
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,487
our Black culture.
981
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,532
And I said to my husband,
I just said, "This sucks."
982
00:40:53,075 --> 00:40:55,244
That will be a moment
I will never forget.
983
00:40:57,329 --> 00:41:01,041
Our friend texted one word
to us in solid caps.
984
00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:02,877
He texted the word "guilty."
985
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,755
We were standing
in the pharmacy
986
00:41:06,797 --> 00:41:09,091
and both of us--
and my husband's a big man,
987
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,177
and he doesn't cry--
both of us fell
988
00:41:11,218 --> 00:41:13,471
into each other's arms
and cried.
989
00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:16,348
We just stood there crying
because neither one of us
990
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:18,184
believed this would
ever happen,
991
00:41:18,225 --> 00:41:19,935
ever, ever, ever.
992
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:23,856
soft music
993
00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:27,318
But Bill Cosby going
to prison isn't justice
994
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:29,528
when we still have
an entire system
995
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:32,865
that supports rape culture
and doesn't believe women
996
00:41:32,907 --> 00:41:35,367
when they say they've been
sexually assaulted or raped.
997
00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:39,038
This confirmation process has
become a national disgrace.
998
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:40,873
So many
of Bill Cosby's survivors
999
00:41:40,915 --> 00:41:43,667
knew that even with him
in prison,
1000
00:41:43,709 --> 00:41:45,753
there was more work to do.
1001
00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:47,213
We filed a report,
1002
00:41:47,254 --> 00:41:49,757
and then it was, like,
a couple weeks later,
1003
00:41:49,798 --> 00:41:51,050
she gets a call
from a detective
1004
00:41:51,091 --> 00:41:52,384
from the Las Vegas
1005
00:41:52,426 --> 00:41:53,677
Metropolitan Police
Department.
1006
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,262
He says he wants
to interview her.
1007
00:41:55,304 --> 00:41:56,931
So she goes in.
1008
00:41:56,972 --> 00:41:58,390
It's like 45 minutes,
1009
00:41:58,432 --> 00:42:01,185
she comes out and she has
this look on her face.
1010
00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:05,189
Just kind of this blank look,
and I'm like, "So what's up?"
1011
00:42:05,231 --> 00:42:08,692
And she says, "They can't
do anything about it
1012
00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:10,778
'cause of the statute
of limitations."
1013
00:42:10,819 --> 00:42:12,279
And I said, "What do you mean,
1014
00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:13,697
the statute of limita--
I don't understand.
1015
00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:14,907
Like, I've never
heard this before."
1016
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:18,744
You only have four years
to come forward,
1017
00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:21,539
and within those four years,
if you don't come forward
1018
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:25,251
after four years and one day,
you don't have a case.
1019
00:42:25,292 --> 00:42:27,419
So--
So now I'm just--
1020
00:42:27,461 --> 00:42:28,504
Yeah, she's just
falling apart.
1021
00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:29,755
It's worse.
1022
00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:31,340
And I walked downstairs
1023
00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:32,841
and I'm about to leave
for work,
1024
00:42:32,883 --> 00:42:35,261
and then I go, "You know what?
1025
00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:37,888
we just gotta change
the statute of limitations.
1026
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:39,848
We just gotta get rid of it."
1027
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:41,225
And she jumped out of bed
1028
00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:43,352
and she gave me
the biggest hug.
1029
00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:45,396
She was so freaking elated.
1030
00:42:45,437 --> 00:42:50,317
And it did give us purpose.
It gave me purpose.
1031
00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:51,986
It was just
two human beings,
1032
00:42:52,027 --> 00:42:53,779
a husband and a wife,
a man and a woman,
1033
00:42:53,821 --> 00:42:55,406
who knew
that something was wrong
1034
00:42:55,447 --> 00:42:56,824
and needed to be changed.
1035
00:42:56,865 --> 00:42:59,118
And that's what we did.
We changed it.
1036
00:43:01,787 --> 00:43:05,124
When I called Gloria Allred
and said,
1037
00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:08,085
"I'm thinking about joining
a handful of others
1038
00:43:08,127 --> 00:43:10,170
in getting
the statute of limitations
1039
00:43:10,212 --> 00:43:12,673
abolished in California,"
1040
00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:16,760
and she said, "Look, that--
you doing that is impossible.
1041
00:43:16,802 --> 00:43:18,220
You doing that would be like
1042
00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:19,930
if I said I want to learn
to play baseball
1043
00:43:19,972 --> 00:43:21,473
and I go out and pitch
for the Yankees tonight.
1044
00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:23,142
It's not gonna happen."
1045
00:43:23,183 --> 00:43:26,729
I realized that these women
really wanted to speak out,
1046
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,231
and there is
no statute of limitations
1047
00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:30,983
on the right of free speech.
1048
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:32,985
That can be exercised
any time.
1049
00:43:33,027 --> 00:43:35,154
Hey, hey, ho, ho,
1050
00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:36,780
And if they were
willing to do it,
1051
00:43:36,822 --> 00:43:38,824
I would be willing
to be supportive of it.
1052
00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:40,993
It was simple as that.
1053
00:43:41,035 --> 00:43:43,996
We worked on it nonstop.
1054
00:43:44,038 --> 00:43:45,998
We lobbied.
We'd go to Sacramento.
1055
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,500
I mean, we really made pests
of ourselves.
1056
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,502
We worked hard.
1057
00:43:50,544 --> 00:43:51,837
California will become
1058
00:43:51,879 --> 00:43:53,672
one of more
than a dozen states
1059
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:55,841
to eliminate
the statute of limitations
1060
00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:57,843
for sexual assault.
1061
00:43:57,885 --> 00:43:59,970
Okay, ready, rolling?
Rolling.
1062
00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:01,096
Okay.
Yay!
1063
00:44:01,138 --> 00:44:02,806
The women's restroom.
1064
00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:05,100
This is where
the revolution begins!
1065
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:12,816
But somewhere
around this time,
1066
00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:15,486
I started thinking
about this a lot.
1067
00:44:15,527 --> 00:44:18,614
Bill Cosby had been
one of my heroes,
1068
00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:21,492
but this--
this was fucked up.
1069
00:44:23,786 --> 00:44:26,538
And difficult conversations
is kinda what I do.
1070
00:44:27,247 --> 00:44:29,541
I figured there had to be
something I could learn
1071
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:31,126
from Bill Cosby
being in prison
1072
00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:34,213
You guys, yay.
1073
00:44:34,254 --> 00:44:36,006
And just as we started
to wrap this film...
1074
00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:37,800
Thank you very much.
You're so welcome.
1075
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:40,052
It was great.
You're great.
1076
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:41,970
We have breaking
news for you this hour.
1077
00:44:42,012 --> 00:44:44,348
Bill Cosby is now
out of prison.
1078
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:46,725
Oh, my God.
1079
00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:48,727
We just shot an interview
and we were waiting
1080
00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:52,856
for Krissy Feden,
who is a lawyer
1081
00:44:52,898 --> 00:44:55,901
who was involved
in the Bill Cosby case.
1082
00:44:55,943 --> 00:44:58,070
And we were gonna ask
a lot of, like, lawyer--
1083
00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:00,948
expert lawyer questions
and--about his case
1084
00:45:00,989 --> 00:45:03,409
and about the fact
that the key to his case
1085
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:04,993
was the unsealing
of a deposition
1086
00:45:05,035 --> 00:45:07,496
they weren't supposed
to unseal, and is that okay?
1087
00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:08,789
And as we're getting ready
for that,
1088
00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:10,457
my friend texts me and says,
1089
00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:12,418
"Your film just got
more interesting."
1090
00:45:12,459 --> 00:45:15,129
And then I looked on Twitter,
and everywhere I looked,
1091
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:17,381
Bill Cosby is soon to be free.
1092
00:45:17,423 --> 00:45:19,091
So now we're sitting here
and we don't know--
1093
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:20,968
and I don't really know
what this film is anymore.
1094
00:45:23,053 --> 00:45:25,889
And I'm--we're in Philly.
And we're in Philly!
1095
00:45:25,931 --> 00:45:27,850
Should we send--
Any camera.
1096
00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:29,351
Literally any camera.
Even an iPhone will do.
1097
00:45:29,393 --> 00:45:30,310
I agree.
I'm just saying,
1098
00:45:30,352 --> 00:45:31,520
do I just take my iPhone?
1099
00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:32,688
Yeah,
we should move on this.
1100
00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:33,856
Yeah, all right.
He's coming out.
1101
00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:35,274
Yes.
Yeah.
1102
00:45:35,315 --> 00:45:36,358
Okay.
We're moving on it.
1103
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,026
Uh-huh.
Thanks.
1104
00:45:38,068 --> 00:45:40,154
Be safe out there.
1105
00:45:43,323 --> 00:45:44,908
What a stunning
reversal of fortune
1106
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:46,618
for the comedian
who was once known
1107
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:48,078
as America's dad,
1108
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,289
and this will shock
many people today.
1109
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:52,040
How did this reversal happen?
1110
00:45:52,082 --> 00:45:53,959
I mean, it's a shock
to everyone at this point.
1111
00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:55,627
We knew that Cosby
was appealing it,
1112
00:45:55,669 --> 00:45:57,087
but there were few people
1113
00:45:57,129 --> 00:45:58,380
who thought
this would be successful.
1114
00:45:58,422 --> 00:45:59,631
...throughout his conviction,
1115
00:45:59,673 --> 00:46:01,467
saying prosecutors
violated the deal
1116
00:46:01,508 --> 00:46:03,677
meant to shield Cosby
from criminal prosecution.
1117
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,262
We love you, Mr. Cosby!
1118
00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:07,389
We love you!
1119
00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:09,850
Bill Cosby has not
been exonerated.
1120
00:46:09,892 --> 00:46:11,435
Nobody has said
he is innocent.
1121
00:46:11,477 --> 00:46:13,312
We love you, sir!
1122
00:46:13,353 --> 00:46:17,608
Mr. Cosby has always used
his celebrity, his name,
1123
00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:20,277
his likeness to uplift women.
1124
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,362
What we saw today was justice,
1125
00:46:22,404 --> 00:46:25,199
justice for all Americans.
1126
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,911
I'm outraged.
I'm infuriated.
1127
00:46:28,952 --> 00:46:33,373
How anybody could allow
a little legal glitch
1128
00:46:33,415 --> 00:46:37,002
to release a sociopath
1129
00:46:37,044 --> 00:46:39,880
who had no concern...
1130
00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:43,801
I know we're all so angry,
we can't even see straight.
1131
00:46:43,842 --> 00:46:46,178
Love you, Bill.
1132
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,972
Love you.
I love you!
1133
00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:52,601
That was
a Kodak moment.
1134
00:46:58,398 --> 00:46:59,691
I'm going to, in the words
1135
00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:01,193
of brother Malcolm,
make it plain.
1136
00:47:01,235 --> 00:47:04,071
The prosecutor
in Montgomery County
1137
00:47:04,112 --> 00:47:06,073
told Bill Cosby,
1138
00:47:06,114 --> 00:47:09,451
"Hey, we're going
to protect your rights
1139
00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:11,537
against self-incrimination.
1140
00:47:11,578 --> 00:47:13,914
We are going to, in effect,
1141
00:47:13,956 --> 00:47:16,834
give you immunity
so you can say
1142
00:47:16,875 --> 00:47:20,796
anything you want
about anything you did,
1143
00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:23,674
and I'm telling you,
Mr. Cosby,
1144
00:47:23,715 --> 00:47:27,594
that nothing you say
at these depositions
1145
00:47:27,636 --> 00:47:29,429
will be used against you.
1146
00:47:29,471 --> 00:47:31,139
In fact,
you don't have to worry
1147
00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:32,474
about it being used
against you
1148
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,101
because we're never
going to prosecute you.
1149
00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:36,270
But if we do prosecute you,
1150
00:47:36,311 --> 00:47:38,188
we're not going to use
what you said."
1151
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:40,357
So Bill Cosby said
what he said.
1152
00:47:40,399 --> 00:47:42,609
A new DA comes in and says,
1153
00:47:42,651 --> 00:47:44,444
"Forget what
the other DA said.
1154
00:47:44,486 --> 00:47:45,863
We changed our mind."
1155
00:47:45,904 --> 00:47:48,532
You can't do that.
You just can't do that.
1156
00:47:48,574 --> 00:47:50,868
And that's why I said
to you, Kamau,
1157
00:47:50,909 --> 00:47:52,411
and everybody else
who asked me,
1158
00:47:52,452 --> 00:47:54,872
it was a good decision
1159
00:47:54,913 --> 00:47:57,416
by the Supreme Court
for a bad man.
1160
00:47:57,457 --> 00:47:59,167
I thought, "Oh, this man's
gonna be in prison
1161
00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:00,669
for ten years.
He's gonna to die."
1162
00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:02,838
And all of a sudden,
my phone just explodes, right,
1163
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,050
with a plethora of texts
and phone calls and emails.
1164
00:48:07,092 --> 00:48:08,886
And they're like,
"Did you hear the news?"
1165
00:48:08,927 --> 00:48:10,220
And at first, I'm thinking,
"Oh, did he die?"
1166
00:48:10,262 --> 00:48:11,805
They're like, "He's--
1167
00:48:11,847 --> 00:48:16,018
the Supreme Court approved
his appeal.
1168
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:17,728
It's been overturned.
He's not--he's free.
1169
00:48:17,769 --> 00:48:19,438
He's going home."
1170
00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:21,315
And I just start sobbing.
1171
00:48:21,356 --> 00:48:24,276
melancholy music
1172
00:48:24,318 --> 00:48:29,281
1173
00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:37,456
That was like
getting coldcocked.
1174
00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:41,335
Didn't see it coming.
1175
00:48:41,376 --> 00:48:42,794
There's something
deeply wrong,
1176
00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:44,671
and we don't have reform
1177
00:48:44,713 --> 00:48:47,257
for sexual predators
in our country.
1178
00:48:47,299 --> 00:48:50,052
We just put him in jail,
and when he comes out,
1179
00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:52,346
he's still--
he hasn't had any help.
1180
00:48:54,556 --> 00:48:56,975
Sad, you know.
Yeah.
1181
00:48:57,017 --> 00:48:58,936
I don't personally believe
1182
00:48:58,977 --> 00:49:01,855
that prison is
much of a solution.
1183
00:49:01,897 --> 00:49:05,275
It hasn't stopped crime.
It hasn't stopped rape.
1184
00:49:05,317 --> 00:49:08,862
I don't think that prisons
and police are our savior.
1185
00:49:08,904 --> 00:49:11,114
I don't think that they make
the world safer.
1186
00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:13,867
And so when I think about
1187
00:49:13,909 --> 00:49:16,119
an elderly Bill Cosby
being in jail,
1188
00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:18,205
that doesn't look
like justice to me.
1189
00:49:18,246 --> 00:49:21,375
Justice looks like
those scores of women
1190
00:49:21,416 --> 00:49:23,794
not being raped
and not being drugged,
1191
00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:25,754
not being preyed upon,
1192
00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:28,840
not experiencing all kinds
of trauma memories
1193
00:49:28,882 --> 00:49:32,302
that they will carry with them
for the rest of their lives.
1194
00:49:32,344 --> 00:49:34,680
And I felt really sorry
for the women.
1195
00:49:36,348 --> 00:49:39,434
Every woman who, again,
1196
00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:43,146
got dragged to filth
for speaking the truth
1197
00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:46,733
after saying nothing
for decades.
1198
00:49:46,775 --> 00:49:50,404
And finally having
the fortitude to do that
1199
00:49:50,445 --> 00:49:53,907
and being lambasted for it.
1200
00:49:55,742 --> 00:49:57,244
That's who I feel sorry for.
1201
00:49:57,285 --> 00:49:58,537
I don't feel sorry
for Bill Cosby.
1202
00:49:58,578 --> 00:50:01,039
All of his troubles
were on him.
1203
00:50:01,081 --> 00:50:02,582
He created all of it.
1204
00:50:05,711 --> 00:50:07,504
Drink some water.
I do not like that man.
1205
00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:13,343
Immediately after Cosby
was released,
1206
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:15,887
that kind of churning
happened again.
1207
00:50:15,929 --> 00:50:19,141
Like, you felt that the folks
who never really understood
1208
00:50:19,182 --> 00:50:21,143
what this thing was about
to begin with
1209
00:50:21,184 --> 00:50:23,562
now feel like
they have a case to make.
1210
00:50:23,603 --> 00:50:25,397
It was stunning
how many people were
1211
00:50:25,439 --> 00:50:27,733
defending Bill Cosby.
1212
00:50:27,774 --> 00:50:31,987
And it's not something
that we can defend.
1213
00:50:32,029 --> 00:50:33,363
You have to ask the question,
1214
00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:35,532
what investment
do we have as a culture,
1215
00:50:35,574 --> 00:50:37,909
what investment do we have
as men,
1216
00:50:37,951 --> 00:50:39,786
in Bill Cosby being innocent?
1217
00:50:41,455 --> 00:50:43,206
He is seen as America's dad,
1218
00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:45,751
but also, like,
America has a rape problem.
1219
00:50:45,792 --> 00:50:47,878
Like, America's dads
have a rape problem.
1220
00:50:49,421 --> 00:50:51,298
It's not just
one wicked man.
1221
00:50:51,339 --> 00:50:52,716
It's patriarchy.
1222
00:50:52,758 --> 00:50:56,636
It's not just Bill Cosby,
it's misogyny.
1223
00:50:56,678 --> 00:50:59,306
It's hatred towards women.
1224
00:50:59,347 --> 00:51:01,308
It's generations of this.
1225
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:03,351
Can I have some
of the queen's waters?
1226
00:51:03,393 --> 00:51:04,561
Precious waters.
1227
00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:08,065
Thank you.
1228
00:51:08,106 --> 00:51:10,567
Where's that Bill Cosby pill
I brought with me?
1229
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:16,281
Whoa. Okay.
1230
00:51:16,323 --> 00:51:17,616
Good morning.
Nice to see you.
1231
00:51:17,657 --> 00:51:19,451
Morning, Matt.
Seen a lot of you lately.
1232
00:51:19,493 --> 00:51:20,702
Let's just get it
out of the way.
1233
00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:22,537
You had a little
wardrobe malfunction.
1234
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:23,955
Mm.
1235
00:51:23,997 --> 00:51:26,792
Charlie, don't you like
a girl in wings?
1236
00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:28,627
I need to get me some wings.
No, I--
1237
00:51:28,668 --> 00:51:29,920
I like a girl
in Victoria's Secret.
1238
00:51:29,961 --> 00:51:31,254
Okay.
1239
00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:33,215
But I enjoyed
seeing you as a bunny.
1240
00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:34,758
Thank you.
I did.
1241
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,468
We will not
eliminate rape culture
1242
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:38,804
until we change the culture,
1243
00:51:38,845 --> 00:51:41,306
foundationally,
institutionally,
1244
00:51:41,348 --> 00:51:43,975
in every possible way.
1245
00:51:44,017 --> 00:51:45,477
How about a little hug
for the Donald? He just--
1246
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:46,978
What I would say
to all those people,
1247
00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:49,606
some of whom still have
a lot of money
1248
00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:52,609
that they made from Bill Cosby
projects,
1249
00:51:52,651 --> 00:51:54,319
still have a lot of influence,
1250
00:51:54,361 --> 00:51:58,156
if you are one of those now
saying "I didn't know,"
1251
00:51:58,198 --> 00:52:00,826
you know now.
1252
00:52:00,867 --> 00:52:03,787
What are you doing now
to provide
1253
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:07,791
systems of transparency
and reliable accountability
1254
00:52:07,833 --> 00:52:09,417
and change?
1255
00:52:09,459 --> 00:52:11,378
We're at the beginning
of those conversations.
1256
00:52:11,419 --> 00:52:12,879
We didn't fix anything.
1257
00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:14,881
In Hollywood
and all across North America,
1258
00:52:14,923 --> 00:52:16,299
there's a chain
of old theaters
1259
00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:17,843
called the Pantages.
1260
00:52:17,884 --> 00:52:19,511
Pantages Theaters.
1261
00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:22,139
Alexander Pantages
was on the front page
1262
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:26,184
of every newspaper in 1929
for the biggest rape scandal
1263
00:52:26,226 --> 00:52:27,853
in showbiz history
up to that point.
1264
00:52:27,894 --> 00:52:30,313
He was charged
with statutory rape,
1265
00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:33,191
first degree rape,
on and on and on and on.
1266
00:52:33,233 --> 00:52:35,527
To this day, there's theaters
all over the place
1267
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:37,195
called the Pantages.
1268
00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,531
Nobody even thinks about it.
1269
00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:43,702
People will forget about
the worst crimes in history.
1270
00:52:43,743 --> 00:52:46,997
Kamau, I honestly think
1271
00:52:47,038 --> 00:52:50,041
that the worst part
1272
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:52,419
about Cosby
1273
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:55,380
being released this way
1274
00:52:55,422 --> 00:52:58,049
is the impact,
1275
00:52:58,091 --> 00:53:02,053
the potential impact
it has on survivors
1276
00:53:02,095 --> 00:53:05,432
coming forward tomorrow.
1277
00:53:05,473 --> 00:53:09,019
At the end of the day,
the messaging,
1278
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:12,647
what people understand
and what they take from this
1279
00:53:12,689 --> 00:53:15,942
is that it's not safe.
1280
00:53:15,984 --> 00:53:19,279
I shouldn't tell.
Nothing will happen.
1281
00:53:19,321 --> 00:53:21,823
And if it does,
it probably won't stick.
1282
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:24,242
It's a horrible, horrible,
horrible message
1283
00:53:24,284 --> 00:53:27,746
to send to women.
1284
00:53:27,787 --> 00:53:29,664
And just look at this.
1285
00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:32,000
This represents
the more than 60 women
1286
00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:33,752
that we know about
1287
00:53:33,793 --> 00:53:38,381
who have accused Bill Cosby
of sexual assault or rape.
1288
00:53:38,423 --> 00:53:40,258
And while I worked
on this series,
1289
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:42,761
I heard about others
who didn't come forward
1290
00:53:42,802 --> 00:53:44,429
because they didn't want
to go through
1291
00:53:44,471 --> 00:53:47,766
what these women went through
and still go through.
1292
00:53:47,807 --> 00:53:50,769
somber music
1293
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:54,439
1294
00:53:54,481 --> 00:53:56,066
Who was the comedian
for you?
1295
00:53:56,107 --> 00:53:57,901
Well, the comedian
was Bill Cosby.
1296
00:53:57,943 --> 00:53:59,319
Of course.
1297
00:53:59,361 --> 00:54:01,446
Those albums--
I had never heard--
1298
00:54:01,488 --> 00:54:03,823
"Very Funny Fellow... Right!"
"Wonderfulness."
1299
00:54:03,865 --> 00:54:05,116
"Why Is There Air?"
Uh-huh.
1300
00:54:05,158 --> 00:54:08,787
Greatest...
1301
00:54:08,828 --> 00:54:10,455
what's the word--
body of work...
1302
00:54:10,497 --> 00:54:11,915
Mm-hmm.
1303
00:54:11,957 --> 00:54:13,708
...I think in comedy is his.
1304
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:15,543
Can you still listen
to his comedy?
1305
00:54:15,585 --> 00:54:17,170
Oh, yeah.
I can't listen to it now.
1306
00:54:17,212 --> 00:54:18,380
No.
Oh, you can't?
1307
00:54:18,421 --> 00:54:19,673
I just can't
separate it.
1308
00:54:19,714 --> 00:54:21,466
You can't separate it?
I can't.
1309
00:54:23,134 --> 00:54:25,345
Hmm.
1310
00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:26,763
In the last few years,
1311
00:54:26,805 --> 00:54:28,765
we have asked ourselves
these questions
1312
00:54:28,807 --> 00:54:31,059
over and over again.
1313
00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:33,645
Can you separate the art
from the artist?
1314
00:54:33,687 --> 00:54:35,438
And should you?
1315
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,149
What happens
when the artist you idolized
1316
00:54:38,191 --> 00:54:40,986
isn't the human being
you thought they were?
1317
00:54:42,779 --> 00:54:45,824
And what if that person's
artistic achievement,
1318
00:54:45,865 --> 00:54:49,286
living example,
and good works
1319
00:54:49,327 --> 00:54:52,872
were so great
that they changed the world?
1320
00:54:54,332 --> 00:54:56,418
What then?
1321
00:54:56,459 --> 00:54:58,003
That's
the Bill Cosby question.
1322
00:55:01,464 --> 00:55:05,385
The legacy of Bill Cosby,
you know, for me
1323
00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:10,140
is somebody who was
a tremendous entertainer,
1324
00:55:10,181 --> 00:55:13,351
someone who made,
for a period time,
1325
00:55:13,393 --> 00:55:15,895
a lot of Black kids
and Black families
1326
00:55:15,937 --> 00:55:18,148
and Black people feel
much better about themselves
1327
00:55:18,189 --> 00:55:20,025
than they were used
to feeling,
1328
00:55:20,066 --> 00:55:22,444
who was amazingly gifted
in that area.
1329
00:55:22,485 --> 00:55:24,779
But also a shitty-ass person.
1330
00:55:24,821 --> 00:55:29,326
1331
00:55:29,367 --> 00:55:33,204
Bill Cosby is a master
at his craft.
1332
00:55:33,246 --> 00:55:36,708
Whether it be acting, comedy,
1333
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:39,878
or raping,
1334
00:55:39,919 --> 00:55:41,880
he is a master at it.
1335
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,887
Rapist.
1336
00:55:48,928 --> 00:55:51,765
He's a rapist who had
a really big TV show once.
1337
00:55:54,434 --> 00:55:57,729
I don't--I can't think
of Bill Cosby any other way.
1338
00:55:57,771 --> 00:56:00,148
I love Mr. Cosby.
1339
00:56:00,190 --> 00:56:02,108
I'm always going
to love Mr. Cosby,
1340
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:03,526
irrespective
of the circumstances
1341
00:56:03,568 --> 00:56:05,487
surrounding his life.
1342
00:56:05,528 --> 00:56:07,489
The love will be there,
1343
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:11,534
and I'm not gonna budge
from that, you know?
1344
00:56:11,576 --> 00:56:14,871
I'm not the kind of person
that will walk away
1345
00:56:14,913 --> 00:56:18,166
from someone, no matter
what the circumstances.
1346
00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:20,418
The last thing he said to me
on the phone was,
1347
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:22,420
"Nobody's perfect."
1348
00:56:22,462 --> 00:56:24,798
And I think that's ironic.
1349
00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:28,468
You cannot truthfully speak
1350
00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:31,179
about Black America
1351
00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:34,974
in the second half
of the 20th century
1352
00:56:35,016 --> 00:56:37,227
and not talk about
1353
00:56:37,268 --> 00:56:40,855
the influence of Bill Cosby.
1354
00:56:40,897 --> 00:56:43,775
soft jazz music
1355
00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:48,446
1356
00:56:48,488 --> 00:56:49,948
Hey, hey, hey.
1357
00:56:49,989 --> 00:56:51,950
Really? Good.
1358
00:56:51,991 --> 00:56:53,910
I just love you so much.
1359
00:56:53,952 --> 00:56:56,246
Why did you do it?
I don't know.
1360
00:56:59,332 --> 00:57:04,295
1361
00:57:04,337 --> 00:57:05,463
This is
probably one of
1362
00:57:05,505 --> 00:57:06,631
the biggest disappointments
1363
00:57:06,673 --> 00:57:08,007
in American history,
'cause I thought
1364
00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:10,552
he was gonna close
his chapter like, "Yeah.
1365
00:57:10,593 --> 00:57:12,762
Uh. The greatest comic ever.
1366
00:57:12,804 --> 00:57:14,097
Look what I did
for our people.
1367
00:57:14,139 --> 00:57:16,850
Look what I did for America.
Yes!"
1368
00:57:16,891 --> 00:57:19,102
But man, the ending
is a torn page.
1369
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,230
Maybe we should never have
invested in him
1370
00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:24,065
in that way
in the first place.
1371
00:57:24,107 --> 00:57:25,567
You can say that
in retrospect.
1372
00:57:25,608 --> 00:57:27,527
It's almost impossible
to think that we wouldn't,
1373
00:57:27,569 --> 00:57:29,195
given the circumstances
1374
00:57:29,237 --> 00:57:31,406
and given the context
that he emerged in,
1375
00:57:31,448 --> 00:57:35,660
given how sorely
we needed heroes,
1376
00:57:35,702 --> 00:57:38,872
how desperately we were
invested in the idea
1377
00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:41,166
that we knew
we were more human
1378
00:57:41,207 --> 00:57:43,209
than the depictions of us
had yielded.
1379
00:57:45,211 --> 00:57:48,256
There's still that yearning
1380
00:57:48,298 --> 00:57:50,508
for us to be seen
1381
00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:52,343
in a way that redeems us.
1382
00:57:52,385 --> 00:57:57,140
Bill Cosby is...
1383
00:57:57,182 --> 00:57:59,976
a catalyst
1384
00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:03,396
for understanding
1385
00:58:03,438 --> 00:58:05,690
the American experiment.
1386
00:58:08,651 --> 00:58:10,487
This is hard.
1387
00:58:10,528 --> 00:58:12,447
Honestly, there were times
when I was making this
1388
00:58:12,489 --> 00:58:14,949
that I wanted to quit.
1389
00:58:14,991 --> 00:58:18,077
I wanted to hold on
to my memories of Bill Cosby
1390
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:19,996
before I knew
about Bill Cosby.
1391
00:58:21,498 --> 00:58:23,541
And I guess I can,
as long as I admit,
1392
00:58:23,583 --> 00:58:25,084
and as long as we all admit,
1393
00:58:25,126 --> 00:58:28,588
that there's just
a Bill Cosby we didn't know.
1394
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:30,048
I was the best knot-tier in--
1395
00:58:30,089 --> 00:58:31,382
And if we really
learned the lessons
1396
00:58:31,424 --> 00:58:34,052
that this Bill Cosby
was trying to teach us,
1397
00:58:34,093 --> 00:58:37,597
to be smart and moral
and not just to be good
1398
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:40,475
but also to do good,
1399
00:58:40,517 --> 00:58:42,143
then we can all help
create a world
1400
00:58:42,185 --> 00:58:44,145
that makes this Bill Cosby
1401
00:58:44,187 --> 00:58:46,231
and others like him
less possible.
1402
00:58:58,409 --> 00:58:59,661
Yes.
Yes.
1403
00:58:59,702 --> 00:59:01,120
Of course, yeah.
1404
00:59:01,162 --> 00:59:02,330
Yeah. Regrettably.
1405
00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:03,623
I knew a girl who just said,
1406
00:59:03,665 --> 00:59:05,416
"Yeah, he was
a friend of family.
1407
00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:08,002
He just took it."
Just took--just--
1408
00:59:08,044 --> 00:59:09,504
In my family, yeah.
1409
00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:11,172
The question is often, like,
1410
00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:13,341
"Have you ever
experienced rape?"
1411
00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:15,677
But is the question
ever asked,
1412
00:59:15,718 --> 00:59:17,095
like, "Hey, have you
ever raped somebody?
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