All language subtitles for DAVID GILMOUR

your earliest memories um

your earliest memories um
of

of

of
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that time in cambridge when you were

that time in cambridge when you were
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school boys when you first met said how

school boys when you first met said how
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did that come about i can't remember

did that come about i can't remember
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meeting him i mean he was um

meeting him i mean he was um
around

around

around
a

a

a
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figure in a small town

figure in a small town
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and i guess i got to know him at about

and i guess i got to know him at about
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the age of 14 we weren't at the same

the age of 14 we weren't at the same
school

school

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he was at um

he was at um
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the same school as

the same school as
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storm

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and roger although they were a fair bit

and roger although they were a fair bit
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older than him and

older than him and
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i was at another school up the road but

i was at another school up the road but
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i can't actually remember meeting him

i can't actually remember meeting him
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but he was um

but he was um
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even at the age of 14

even at the age of 14
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15 a sort of

15 a sort of
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charismatic figure that uh people would

charismatic figure that uh people would
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sort of

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point at and talk about because

point at and talk about because
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he had some sort of magnetism

he had some sort of magnetism
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what was the

what was the
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connection that brought you together and

connection that brought you together and
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was it was it

was it was it
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just a kind of friendship thing or was

just a kind of friendship thing or was
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there a musical interest even then

there a musical interest even then
um

i can't remember how quickly we sort of

i can't remember how quickly we sort of
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when i was

when i was
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i just 16 i suppose and i started

i just 16 i suppose and i started
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a levels i went to the

a levels i went to the
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cambridge tech

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or the cambridgeshire college of arts

or the cambridgeshire college of arts
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and technology

and technology
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and sid was there

and sid was there
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in um doing art and i was doing uh my

in um doing art and i was doing uh my
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sort of french and english a levels

sort of french and english a levels
and

and

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we got to know each other a lot better

we got to know each other a lot better
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there because

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we would spend our lunch times

we would spend our lunch times
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playing the guitar up in the art

playing the guitar up in the art
department

department

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and learning

and learning
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the latest sort of

the latest sort of
songs

songs

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early stones tracks and god knows what i

early stones tracks and god knows what i
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mean from

mean from
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bow diddly to

bow diddly to
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god knows what

god knows what
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did you have a complimentary guitar

did you have a complimentary guitar
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style was at that stage

style was at that stage
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i don't think you think about whether

i don't think you think about whether
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you've got complimentary guitar styles

you've got complimentary guitar styles
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and it's just sort of um

and it's just sort of um
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you just

you just
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one person knows something and the other

one person knows something and the other
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one wants to know that thing and it's

one wants to know that thing and it's
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just a swapping of

just a swapping of
of

of

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tricks and ideas and riffs and and

tricks and ideas and riffs and and
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but it was it was blues-based stuff it

but it was it was blues-based stuff it
was

was

was
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uh it was it was everything sid's sort

uh it was it was everything sid's sort
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of um taste i suppose was more in the bo

of um taste i suppose was more in the bo
diddly

diddly

diddly
and

and

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that sort of area he he was

that sort of area he he was
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he loved

he loved
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all that sort of thing i sort of suppose

all that sort of thing i sort of suppose
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i liked

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i was very keen on that and i was very

i was very keen on that and i was very
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keen on folk music and

keen on folk music and
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early sort of lead belly american folk

early sort of lead belly american folk
blues

blues

blues
stuff

stuff

stuff
um

um

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but i also was very keen on the more

but i also was very keen on the more
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structured thing of that the beatles

structured thing of that the beatles
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were starting to

were starting to
do

do

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and harmony is i was keen on the beach

and harmony is i was keen on the beach
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boys and stuff like that and and

boys and stuff like that and and
um

um

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sids was was definitely sort of more in

sids was was definitely sort of more in
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the blues department i would say than my

the blues department i would say than my
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taste but um

taste but um
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it didn't you you're not very

it didn't you you're not very
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purist about these things at that age

purist about these things at that age
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you're just

you're just
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excited by it all and learning new

excited by it all and learning new
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little tricks

little tricks
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i said in his early early days in them

i said in his early early days in them
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in bands and in the early days of pink

in bands and in the early days of pink
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floyd used to do great versions of

floyd used to do great versions of
of

of

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boatedly things

boatedly things
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you know

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that were

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really really good fun

really really good fun
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there's a terrific um

there's a terrific um
uh

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first song i think

first song i think
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with uh when bob close was still there

with uh when bob close was still there
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yeah uh

yeah uh
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leave lucy lee yeah which is wonderful

leave lucy lee yeah which is wonderful
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he's sort of

he's sort of
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more more uh boatedlyish yeah

more more uh boatedlyish yeah
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than the later thing floyd sort of sound

than the later thing floyd sort of sound
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yeah i mean i think the the early pink

yeah i mean i think the the early pink
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floyd started off with a lot of um

floyd started off with a lot of um
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whatever you call that r b stuff

whatever you call that r b stuff
um

um

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and uh would sid would take them off

and uh would sid would take them off
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into extended sort of jamming as he got

into extended sort of jamming as he got
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more interested in the uh

more interested in the uh
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the new waves that was happening at the

the new waves that was happening at the
time

time

time
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how did you

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so at a certain point you went off to

so at a certain point you went off to
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london presumably

london presumably
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both of you um

both of you um
again

again

again
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i think sid went at the

i think sid went at the
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end of my first year

end of my first year
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of a level i think i'm not terribly

of a level i think i'm not terribly
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certain about it actually um and he went

certain about it actually um and he went
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off to camberwell

off to camberwell
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college of art i think i moved him with

college of art i think i moved him with
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my van

my van
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with my

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my joke as well group van i think i

my joke as well group van i think i
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drove him out there

drove him out there
and

and

and
so

so

so
thereafter

thereafter

thereafter
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he i was still in my band in cambridge

he i was still in my band in cambridge
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he was

he was
in

in

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the early

the early
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incarnations of pink floyd

incarnations of pink floyd
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and um they would come

and um they would come
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and play gigs in cambridge sometimes and

and play gigs in cambridge sometimes and
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we would go up they would actually ask

we would go up they would actually ask
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us to go up and play on

us to go up and play on
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gigs they had been asked to do i can

gigs they had been asked to do i can
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remember doing

remember doing
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two or three ships sort of gigs one at

two or three ships sort of gigs one at
um

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must have been the arts school that was

must have been the arts school that was
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just by holland park comprehensive i

just by holland park comprehensive i
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can't remember what that was called

can't remember what that was called
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anyway i can remember doing that one um

anyway i can remember doing that one um
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and they came down to cambridge as i say

and they came down to cambridge as i say
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they played at storm's

they played at storm's
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girlfriend's 21st birthday

girlfriend's 21st birthday
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in shelford just outside cambridge and

in shelford just outside cambridge and
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we played two

we played two
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as did paul simon

as did paul simon
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um wow

um wow
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quite a lineup then in

quite a lineup then in
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i guess

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five maybe i can't remember

five maybe i can't remember
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how did you when when you thought of

how did you when when you thought of
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that embryonic pink floyd at that time

that embryonic pink floyd at that time
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you in your group

you in your group
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what did you think of their music then

what did you think of their music then
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well i i felt pretty superior i have to

well i i felt pretty superior i have to
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sid was obviously

sid was obviously
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you know

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very talented um

very talented um
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and rick was a good musician

and rick was a good musician
but

but

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nick and roger were

nick and roger were
fairly

fairly

fairly
pedestrian

pedestrian

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at that time

at that time
and

and

and
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they were possibly well it was

they were possibly well it was
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definitely a bit more original than what

definitely a bit more original than what
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we were doing but we were we were much

we were doing but we were we were much
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much slicker

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and um

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we could do um all sorts of

we could do um all sorts of
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beetles and beach boys things in in

beetles and beach boys things in in
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wonderful harmonies and stuff but it was

wonderful harmonies and stuff but it was
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we were more of a sort of

we were more of a sort of
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pretty good local covers band and i

pretty good local covers band and i
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think it would be

think it would be
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fair to say that they were trying to do

fair to say that they were trying to do
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something slightly different

something slightly different
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so dave you were at college in london

so dave you were at college in london
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then no no i i did my um

then no no i i did my um
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a level course at

a level course at
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the tech and then i just stayed in

the tech and then i just stayed in
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cambridge in my band

cambridge in my band
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for a while and then got bored with it

for a while and then got bored with it
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then i moved to london

then i moved to london
um

um

um
in

this about must have been the summer of

this about must have been the summer of
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66. i think there's a period when i was

66. i think there's a period when i was
still

still

still
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playing out some last gigs with my band

playing out some last gigs with my band
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joker's wild in cambridge and living

joker's wild in cambridge and living
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part of the rest of the time in london

part of the rest of the time in london
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and then i moved

and then i moved
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i got a

i got a
the

the

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offer of a gig

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in spain marbella

in spain marbella
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in the summer of 66

in the summer of 66
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and we

and we
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i took

i took
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willie wilson and rick wilson who

willie wilson and rick wilson who
weren't

weren't

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well willie wilson who had been in my

well willie wilson who had been in my
band

band

band
recently

recently

recently
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uh rick wills had been in another

uh rick wills had been in another
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cambridge band and uh david ortham who's

cambridge band and uh david ortham who's
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also in my band in cambridge we went off

also in my band in cambridge we went off
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and did a summer season there then we

and did a summer season there then we
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came back to england for a little while

came back to england for a little while
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change lineup i went off

change lineup i went off
with

with

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rick wills and willie wilson to france

rick wills and willie wilson to france
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for about a year

for about a year
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in

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sort of september or october of 66.

sort of september or october of 66.
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so i was fairly much out of contact

so i was fairly much out of contact
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for most of the period from the summer

for most of the period from the summer
of

of

of
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66 through to the autumn of 67.

66 through to the autumn of 67.
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during which time

during which time
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obviously

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i heard a lot of stuff about what they

i heard a lot of stuff about what they
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were doing and

were doing and
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but i was

but i was
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it was cool

it was cool
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i did

i did
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we did have our microphones stolen in

we did have our microphones stolen in
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france in paris

france in paris
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and i had to go back to england because

and i had to go back to england because
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the only place i could get the right

the only place i could get the right
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microphones at the right price was in

microphones at the right price was in
london

london

london
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so i

so i
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jumped on the train went back to london

jumped on the train went back to london
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to buy new microphones and stayed a few

to buy new microphones and stayed a few
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days and uh that was the period when i

days and uh that was the period when i
visited

visited

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um called up sid and i went to the

um called up sid and i went to the
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session when they made see emily play

session when they made see emily play
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whatever it was may i guess can you tell

whatever it was may i guess can you tell
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us about that

us about that
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what was your reaction when you source

what was your reaction when you source
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it then

it then
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um

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it was a big shock

it was a big shock
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um you know this is

um you know this is
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their first

their first
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single came out in

single came out in
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february 67 online and i think they must

february 67 online and i think they must
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have been signed

have been signed
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literally just before then

literally just before then
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in january february 67 and this is only

in january february 67 and this is only
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three to four months later

three to four months later
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and

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sid was a changed person and

sid was a changed person and
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he didn't appear to recognize me at

he didn't appear to recognize me at
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first sort of stared right through me

first sort of stared right through me
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um and but obviously

um and but obviously
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it was um

it was um
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unpleasant and shocking for me but he

unpleasant and shocking for me but he
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would then did

would then did
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manage to carry on and make

manage to carry on and make
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the whole of uh the piper gates of dawn

the whole of uh the piper gates of dawn
album

album

album
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thereafter so he wasn't

thereafter so he wasn't
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he wasn't beyond

he wasn't beyond
being

being

being
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very good and precise musically

very good and precise musically
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so you talked to him on the phone

so you talked to him on the phone
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before he turned up

before he turned up
yeah

yeah

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and was he no i didn't talk to him on

and was he no i didn't talk to him on
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the phone i think i called his flat and

the phone i think i called his flat and
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spoke to

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someone probably lindsay there and

someone probably lindsay there and
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she said that's where they were and why

she said that's where they were and why
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didn't i drop in on them

didn't i drop in on them
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i don't think i actually spoke to him at

i don't think i actually spoke to him at
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all beforehand when he didn't he didn't

all beforehand when he didn't he didn't
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recognize yourself

recognize yourself
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you just sort of looked straight through

you just sort of looked straight through
me

me

me
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and had um

and had um
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what roger has very sort of

what roger has very sort of
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aptly put as

aptly put as
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was that the first inkling you had i

was that the first inkling you had i
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mean were the rumors before

mean were the rumors before
um

um

um
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no there were no rumors previous to that

no there were no rumors previous to that
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that was the first i

that was the first i
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knew of it and i'm not sure

knew of it and i'm not sure
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how much

how much
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the the rest of them

the the rest of them
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could see it i mean i had been absent

could see it i mean i had been absent
from

from

from
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um from london and from from seeing

um from london and from from seeing
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sid and

sid and
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those guys at that time for quite a long

those guys at that time for quite a long
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time um so i

time um so i
um

um

um
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coming back to it i could see that the

coming back to it i could see that the
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the ra the major change that you can see

the ra the major change that you can see
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when you have been absent from something

when you have been absent from something
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for a while and i'm not sure they did

for a while and i'm not sure they did
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because if you ask them about it they

because if you ask them about it they
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tend to think it came along rather later

tend to think it came along rather later
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than i thought it came along but um

than i thought it came along but um
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you know when you're in that daily

you know when you're in that daily
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contact you don't necessarily see it

contact you don't necessarily see it
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coming that well

coming that well
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i mean certainly

i mean certainly
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there may have been things that they got

there may have been things that they got
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used to

used to
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slow transformation yeah whereas for you

slow transformation yeah whereas for you
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it was

it was
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coming in from outside exactly very

coming in from outside exactly very
sudden

sudden

sudden
um

um

um
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was there any talk about

was there any talk about
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winding up

winding up
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since involvement of that stage of work

since involvement of that stage of work
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no no no i this is

no no no i this is
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they were on the peak of a wave at the

they were on the peak of a wave at the
time

time

time
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you know and um as i say they were about

you know and um as i say they were about
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to make

to make
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they're about to make uh their first

they're about to make uh their first
album

album

album
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but um

but um
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time seems to sort of pass

time seems to sort of pass
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so quickly now

so quickly now
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but at that age when you're 22 21

but at that age when you're 22 21
time

time

time
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he seemed to be able to get so much done

he seemed to be able to get so much done
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in such a short amount of time and uh

in such a short amount of time and uh
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their entire

their entire
period

period

period
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of time

of time
with

with

with
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sid

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as in pink floyd as a recording artist

as in pink floyd as a recording artist
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is less than a year

is less than a year
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and during which time you know they'd

and during which time you know they'd
had

had

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three singles or four three or four

three singles or four three or four
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singles and an album and

singles and an album and
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had to america and europe and god knows

had to america and europe and god knows
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what which

what which
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in in in in this day and age it's sort

in in in in this day and age it's sort
of

of

of
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that would be enough time for us to sort

that would be enough time for us to sort
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it seems i mean maybe with hindsight it

it seems i mean maybe with hindsight it
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seems very very intense sort of period

seems very very intense sort of period
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creative period

creative period
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and i guess his reputation in a way

and i guess his reputation in a way
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rests on

rests on
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as a

as a
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innovative musician rests on piper the

innovative musician rests on piper the
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gates of dawn really that one album

gates of dawn really that one album
really

really

really
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indeed yeah i mean there are those who

indeed yeah i mean there are those who
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love his solo stuff but that that's the

love his solo stuff but that that's the
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one that

one that
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is more in the mainstream i suppose

is more in the mainstream i suppose
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the that's

the that's
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you know obviously

you know obviously
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that one has the polish

that one has the polish
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um i i'm not sure that i would say that

um i i'm not sure that i would say that
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it was the best songwriting necessarily

it was the best songwriting necessarily
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i think some of the stuff that he did

i think some of the stuff that he did
subsequently

subsequently

subsequently
um

um

um
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if he had been

if he had been
capable

capable

capable
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and everything had been in the right

and everything had been in the right
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place um and

place um and
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certainly i think a better album could

certainly i think a better album could
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have been made

have been made
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but uh it was

but uh it was
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it was an impossibility at the time

it was an impossibility at the time
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just thinking about the

just thinking about the
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the sort of baritis

the sort of baritis
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moments in private detective dawn the

moments in private detective dawn the
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distinctive sid barrett moment

distinctive sid barrett moment
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is there anything that stands out for

is there anything that stands out for
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you that you particularly like in that

you that you particularly like in that
record

record

record
um

do you know i think i i

do you know i think i i
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like the subsequent stuff better i mean

like the subsequent stuff better i mean
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even um

even um
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i think jug band blues which um was

i think jug band blues which um was
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was recorded before i joined the band

was recorded before i joined the band
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and was sort of in the can from

and was sort of in the can from
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recording at another studio i think

recording at another studio i think
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before we really started making

before we really started making
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the second album

the second album
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um was is a better

um was is a better
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song than

song than
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most of the ones on on piper

most of the ones on on piper
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more interesting song and some of the

more interesting song and some of the
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other ones that um that are sort of

other ones that um that are sort of
quite

quite

quite
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excruciatingly recorded on on the madcap

excruciatingly recorded on on the madcap
laughs

laughs

laughs
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are absolutely brilliant songs

are absolutely brilliant songs
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if the the polish of the proper

if the the polish of the proper
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recording of piper makes uh

recording of piper makes uh
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sort of think that the the subsequent

sort of think that the the subsequent
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ones are better it's very hard to

ones are better it's very hard to
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to judge but for me the better stuff

to judge but for me the better stuff
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comes later

comes later
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you're talking about jug band blues i

you're talking about jug band blues i
mean

mean

mean
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it's a very very personal

it's a very very personal
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song about him and his condition which

song about him and his condition which
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is sort of very

is sort of very
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raw and

raw and
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strange i think it's

strange i think it's
quite

quite

quite
brilliant

brilliant

brilliant
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do you think he was

do you think he was
consciously

consciously

consciously
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writing about his condition or how did

writing about his condition or how did
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he write do you think that's that kind

he write do you think that's that kind
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of song

of song
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i i have no idea really how how he wrote

i i have no idea really how how he wrote
um

there were many occasions when he would

there were many occasions when he would
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seem to be

seem to be
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either at his flat or my flat or in the

either at his flat or my flat or in the
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studio he would

studio he would
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appear to just start something and it

appear to just start something and it
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would all come out as if he had never

would all come out as if he had never
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ever thought of it before that moment um

ever thought of it before that moment um
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with the words and everything in a way

with the words and everything in a way
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that i find hard to conceive not being

that i find hard to conceive not being
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as as

as as
wordy

wordy

wordy
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as sid was

as sid was
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and so it's really

and so it's really
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but it felt like he just made him up as

but it felt like he just made him up as
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he went along i'm sure it can't have

he went along i'm sure it can't have
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been quite that simple

been quite that simple
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so it's a nice idea though it's almost

so it's a nice idea though it's almost
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as like a stream of consciousness

as like a stream of consciousness
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yeah uh

yeah uh
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like here here i am this is what i'm

like here here i am this is what i'm
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feeling now and it puts it down with one

feeling now and it puts it down with one
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or two songs

or two songs
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indeed that's that's exactly what it

indeed that's that's exactly what it
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feels like and

feels like and
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um so

um so
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the the stream of of consciousness

the the stream of of consciousness
idea

idea

idea
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maybe it's a stream of of

maybe it's a stream of of
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subconsciousness or

subconsciousness or
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that he had some

that he had some
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way of letting flow out of him

way of letting flow out of him
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or maybe he did sit and think about it

or maybe he did sit and think about it
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but it's it's i can't quite imagine him

but it's it's i can't quite imagine him
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do you think lsd played a part in

do you think lsd played a part in
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in a sense making him more creatively

in a sense making him more creatively
invented

invented

invented
um

i it's such a difficult question

i it's such a difficult question
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the question of what

the question of what
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lsd or any of those things

lsd or any of those things
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can do he was a

can do he was a
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a very very bright

a very very bright
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interesting interested

interesting interested
person

person

person
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long before

long before
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he started getting into any of that

he started getting into any of that
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stuff he wouldn't have needed

stuff he wouldn't have needed
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um lsd to be brilliant

um lsd to be brilliant
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he was um you know

he was um you know
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a shining light

a shining light
um

um

um
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he had a

he had a
incredibly

incredibly

incredibly
witty

witty

witty
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mind and was

mind and was
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would come out with

would come out with
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you know

you know
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rep rt that would

rep rt that would
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match paul merton you know

match paul merton you know
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um so i don't think he would have needed

um so i don't think he would have needed
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it whether that um

it whether that um
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it's quite possible that it helped him

it's quite possible that it helped him
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sort of move off into

sort of move off into
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much stranger directions than it might

much stranger directions than it might
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have taken otherwise but he was an

have taken otherwise but he was an
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original thinker

original thinker
and

it

it
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for myself and for many other people who

for myself and for many other people who
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knew him at the time

knew him at the time
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you know it

you know it
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from when he was

from when he was
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much younger than

much younger than
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the time he was in pink floyd it seemed

the time he was in pink floyd it seemed
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he was destined for some sort of

he was destined for some sort of
brightness

brightness

brightness
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or success or whatever you want to call

or success or whatever you want to call
it

it

it
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was that a sense that you had

was that a sense that you had
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earlier as friends in cambridge yes

earlier as friends in cambridge yes
absolutely

absolutely

absolutely
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he just was very uh you know

he just was very uh you know
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a bright light

a bright light
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on the on the scene

on the on the scene
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and um

and um
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i'm sure

i'm sure
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most people including myself had certain

most people including myself had certain
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jealouses of of

jealouses of of
how

how

how
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how what a bright light he appeared to

how what a bright light he appeared to
be

could you ex

could you ex
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expand a little more i'm just wondering

expand a little more i'm just wondering
what

what

what
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was it that he was multi-talented or

was it that he was multi-talented or
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that he had a particular way of looking

that he had a particular way of looking
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at things well he he was uh yeah he was

at things well he he was uh yeah he was
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you know physically beautiful

you know physically beautiful
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um he

um he
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witty funny

witty funny
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the way he talked the way he walks you

the way he talked the way he walks you
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know he's i don't want to make this

know he's i don't want to make this
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sound like a love song but um he was he

sound like a love song but um he was he
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was much loved by pretty much everyone

was much loved by pretty much everyone
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it's hard to put it into

it's hard to put it into
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into words but uh he was

into words but uh he was
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he always just seemed to

he always just seemed to
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to shine out and this is to and he he

to shine out and this is to and he he
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moved in a group of

moved in a group of
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moved in a group of friends most of whom

moved in a group of friends most of whom
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were somewhat older than him

were somewhat older than him
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you know roger's

you know roger's
year

year

year
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at school and small differences in age

at school and small differences in age
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when you're at school are

when you're at school are
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are major differences and people of you

are major differences and people of you
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know from

know from
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the fifth form at school don't hang out

the fifth form at school don't hang out
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with the people from the third form at

with the people from the third form at
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school and that is effectively what

school and that is effectively what
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he was doing most of his friends

he was doing most of his friends
including

including

including
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um you know later

um you know later
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rick nick and roger were all

rick nick and roger were all
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over two years older than him

over two years older than him
so

he was

he was
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he was a very attractive personality

he was a very attractive personality
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yeah because of that age

yeah because of that age
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you have to be pretty special for other

you have to be pretty special for other
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people to even take notice of you if

people to even take notice of you if
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you're two years younger exactly yeah

you're two years younger exactly yeah
um

um

um
at

at

at
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the point that um

the point that um
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you were asked maybe we should we should

you were asked maybe we should we should
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look at that at that time when

look at that at that time when
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it appeared that things were getting

it appeared that things were getting
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pretty bad

pretty bad
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with sid how did how was that

with sid how did how was that
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communicated to you

communicated to you
um

um

um
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well i came back to england in

well i came back to england in
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i guess about september of 67

i guess about september of 67
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living in london and worked

living in london and worked
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i was working as a van driver in the

i was working as a van driver in the
daytime

daytime

daytime
um

um

um
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and trying to

and trying to
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work out what i was going to do

work out what i was going to do
musically

musically

musically
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from that point how to get into

from that point how to get into
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something so i was going out to gigs and

something so i was going out to gigs and
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pubs and god knows what all over london

pubs and god knows what all over london
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constantly and

constantly and
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i would be seeing a fair bit of

i would be seeing a fair bit of
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syd and and of the other

syd and and of the other
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group of friends that we had at that

group of friends that we had at that
time

time

time
um

and i went to all all their gigs that

and i went to all all their gigs that
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one could go to locally and um

one could go to locally and um
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so i

so i
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ran into him a little bit more than i

ran into him a little bit more than i
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had done

had done
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and um i got to know the others nick and

and um i got to know the others nick and
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rick and roger a bit better

rick and roger a bit better
and

and

and
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they did a gig at the royal college of

they did a gig at the royal college of
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art just by the albert hall

art just by the albert hall
in

in

in
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possibly probably november

possibly probably november
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and at that one nick sidled up to me and

and at that one nick sidled up to me and
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and told me that things were getting

and told me that things were getting
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pretty desperate and

pretty desperate and
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they were

they were
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i was to keep it under my hat but they

i was to keep it under my hat but they
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were thinking of making some sort of a

were thinking of making some sort of a
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change and would i be interested

change and would i be interested
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so and

so and
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what were your thoughts

what were your thoughts
um

well

well
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it wasn't exactly the sort of musical

it wasn't exactly the sort of musical
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thing that i wanted to

thing that i wanted to
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get into

get into
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at that

at that
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particular point

particular point
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but the fame that they had achieved was

but the fame that they had achieved was
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obviously very enticing

obviously very enticing
um

um

um
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but um

but um
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i didn't think it was that serious

i didn't think it was that serious
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didn't know whether it would become a

didn't know whether it would become a
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reality so i just sort of forgot about

reality so i just sort of forgot about
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it i think

it i think
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after that time until

after that time until
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until just after the new year when they

until just after the new year when they
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rang up and actually made me a specific

rang up and actually made me a specific
offer

um which obviously was the start of a

um which obviously was the start of a
very

very

very
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difficult and

difficult and
and

strange time with

strange time with
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both sid and i

both sid and i
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turning up together

turning up together
to

to

to
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to rehearsals

to rehearsals
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and going out and doing shows

and going out and doing shows
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with five of us

with five of us
where

where

where
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i would be playing

i would be playing
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i would be learning and playing sid's

i would be learning and playing sid's
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parts and singing sid's songs

parts and singing sid's songs
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while siddi be sort of standing there

while siddi be sort of standing there
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and sometimes singing a little bit and

and sometimes singing a little bit and
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sometimes playing a little bit and

sometimes playing a little bit and
odd

odd

odd
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was it um understood at that point that

was it um understood at that point that
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you were coming in to replace it

you were coming in to replace it
um

um

um
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i th that

i th that
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was it bigger than that it was vaguer

was it bigger than that it was vaguer
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than that it was it was

than that it was it was
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you know there was discussion you know

you know there was discussion you know
of

of

of
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you know the old discussions of that

you know the old discussions of that
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that he would eventually sort of stay

that he would eventually sort of stay
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home being a brown wilson sort of

home being a brown wilson sort of
writing

writing

writing
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character and we would still

character and we would still
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continue using his material

continue using his material
and

i would

i would
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be the

be the
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front man on stage

front man on stage
but

but

but
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it wasn't really workable

it wasn't really workable
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that notion passed quite quickly i think

that notion passed quite quickly i think
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there were only five

there were only five
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gigs as i remember it where we the five

gigs as i remember it where we the five
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of us

of us
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played together before

played together before
um

um

um
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um

um
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how does it feel i mean this was this

how does it feel i mean this was this
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was your friend

was your friend
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who was going through something

who was going through something
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kind of had personal hell

kind of had personal hell
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and uh there was also this pressure to

and uh there was also this pressure to
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keep the show on the road

keep the show on the road
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well all

well all
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all of those things

all of those things
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uh came into it

uh came into it
um

i think am i you know one's fairly

i think am i you know one's fairly
ambitious

ambitious

ambitious
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when you want to get on with stuff and

when you want to get on with stuff and
uh

uh

uh
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that sort of offer is very hard one to

that sort of offer is very hard one to
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turn down

turn down
and

and

and
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it wasn't working you know the

it wasn't working you know the
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sid was not

sid was not
performing

performing

performing
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at all on stage and it was kind of

at all on stage and it was kind of
tragic

um i

um i
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i didn't suppose i saw any option but uh

i didn't suppose i saw any option but uh
just

just

just
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do the best that i could

do the best that i could
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but um

but um
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i'm sure we were all

i'm sure we were all
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sort of

sort of
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full of some sort of guilt and remained

full of some sort of guilt and remained
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so it was a tragic thing you know it's

so it was a tragic thing you know it's
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as you say it's a it's a

as you say it's a it's a
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very upsetting thing but you we didn't

very upsetting thing but you we didn't
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know what to do about it none of us

know what to do about it none of us
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schizophrenia or any sort of

schizophrenia or any sort of
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mental illness

mental illness
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at the time

at the time
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um and it's very easy with hindsight to

um and it's very easy with hindsight to
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look back and think well we could have

look back and think well we could have
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done this or we could have done that but

done this or we could have done that but
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yeah i mean didn't i guess you're right

yeah i mean didn't i guess you're right
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with with hindsight

with with hindsight
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it's a wonderful thing i know what

it's a wonderful thing i know what
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were there thoughts of sid needs

were there thoughts of sid needs
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professional help

professional help
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um in

um in
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the the group of friends i mean within

the the group of friends i mean within
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i mean the pink floyd

i mean the pink floyd
um

um

um
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thing with with the management peter and

thing with with the management peter and
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andrew and

andrew and
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the you know

the you know
four

four

four
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people and sid

people and sid
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slightly outside

slightly outside
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of it by that time

of it by that time
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person there was not

person there was not
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much discussion of whether

much discussion of whether
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in my memory there wasn't much

in my memory there wasn't much
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discussion of what one could do for sid

discussion of what one could do for sid
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in that way but in the flat that he

in that way but in the flat that he
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at around that time at edge in court

at around that time at edge in court
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or all of the the old friends of

or all of the the old friends of
ours

ours

ours
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that discussion did go on quite a lot

that discussion did go on quite a lot
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and uh

and uh
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there are

there are
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stories of taking him to see ronnie

stories of taking him to see ronnie
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lange and

lange and
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but i wasn't party to that i didn't

but i wasn't party to that i didn't
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actually know i couldn't uh you'd have

actually know i couldn't uh you'd have
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to ask

to ask
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storm or someone

storm or someone
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or the people who were present at that

or the people who were present at that
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exactly what happened

exactly what happened
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to do with all that

to do with all that
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how was he

how was he
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i mean we were fantastically busy as

i mean we were fantastically busy as
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well i mean we were just out doing stuff

well i mean we were just out doing stuff
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all the time and i think to be honest we

all the time and i think to be honest we
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just sort of

just sort of
dropped

dropped

dropped
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how was he

how was he
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on stage with you in those those few

on stage with you in those those few
gigs

gigs

gigs
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well he was he was not uh

well he was he was not uh
he

he

he
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on occasions he seemed

on occasions he seemed
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quite happy i don't think he it's very

quite happy i don't think he it's very
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hard to tell and you know he

hard to tell and you know he
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communication with him was so difficult

communication with him was so difficult
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and everything you said to him

and everything you said to him
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sort of seemed to be on one level one

sort of seemed to be on one level one
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plane of existence and his reply sort of

plane of existence and his reply sort of
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came back from a different

came back from a different
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plane of his existence and it's very

plane of his existence and it's very
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hard to know

hard to know
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what he was thinking he certainly didn't

what he was thinking he certainly didn't
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show any upset at the thought of being

show any upset at the thought of being
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pushed out and we got a little bit of

pushed out and we got a little bit of
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film of him somewhere um

film of him somewhere um
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in a dressing room

in a dressing room
um

at that time

at that time
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in one of those first five gigs i call

in one of those first five gigs i call
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him western super mario or something

him western super mario or something
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like that and he's tap dancing you know

like that and he's tap dancing you know
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dancing around

dancing around
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with with one or two of the others like

with with one or two of the others like
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and seems perfectly jolly

and seems perfectly jolly
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and you have to go on stage and not play

and you have to go on stage and not play
yeah

i guess the other thought i had was when

i guess the other thought i had was when
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you talked about being very busy was um

you talked about being very busy was um
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i know i was staggered when i read that

i know i was staggered when i read that
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that pink boy did something like 70

that pink boy did something like 70
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gigs in six months

gigs in six months
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that sort of relentless up and down

that sort of relentless up and down
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motorways you know lousy food

motorways you know lousy food
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i mean i mean every other day was in the

i mean i mean every other day was in the
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studio i think nick kept a sort of

studio i think nick kept a sort of
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his own before they made the wonderful

his own before they made the wonderful
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sasco year planners i think nick made

sasco year planners i think nick made
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his own type of

his own type of
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year planner which had uh

year planner which had uh
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you know recording dates in one color

you know recording dates in one color
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gig dates in another

gig dates in another
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promotion things in another and

promotion things in another and
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during the he had one of those on his

during the he had one of those on his
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wall for 66 and

wall for 66 and
67

67

67
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and there just wasn't a day there wasn't

and there just wasn't a day there wasn't
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a spare day anywhere

a spare day anywhere
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it was just relentless

it was just relentless
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there are there are those i've talked to

there are there are those i've talked to
who

who

who
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in a sense discount

in a sense discount
the

the

the
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influence of lsd as being a major factor

influence of lsd as being a major factor
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and talk more about

and talk more about
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sid being the kind of person who

sid being the kind of person who
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couldn't really cope with the pressures

couldn't really cope with the pressures
and

and

and
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deal with the the whole fame thing he

deal with the the whole fame thing he
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didn't want it he sort of walked away

didn't want it he sort of walked away
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from it

from it
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what do you think

what do you think
um

um

um
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when i think back on it and um i think

when i think back on it and um i think
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about the time that i went to the

about the time that i went to the
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to when they were recording see emily

to when they were recording see emily
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play which i i think must have been late

play which i i think must have been late
may

may

may
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because they changed the name of it from

because they changed the name of it from
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games for may to see emily play because

games for may to see emily play because
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it wasn't going to get out in may

it wasn't going to get out in may
so

so

so
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i don't i can't really see how at that

i don't i can't really see how at that
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point the

point the
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the fame thing could have hit him this

the fame thing could have hit him this
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is before their first time this is

is before their first time this is
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before they'd had a hit single really i

before they'd had a hit single really i
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mean online

mean online
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was you know just about

was you know just about
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got into the top 20. um

got into the top 20. um
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and this was their second recording

and this was their second recording
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really see how many play um i i and the

really see how many play um i i and the
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change was quite distinct to me at that

change was quite distinct to me at that
time

time

time
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it uh so

it uh so
i

i

i
think

think

think
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that his excesses in the

that his excesses in the
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in that region

in that region
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must have had quite a major effect

must have had quite a major effect
really

really

really
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lsd really lsd yeah substantially i

lsd really lsd yeah substantially i
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would say yes

would say yes
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he was a

he was a
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it was not he wasn't frightened of it he

it was not he wasn't frightened of it he
did<00:32:25.039> um

did um

did um
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leap into it with a with a great abandon

leap into it with a with a great abandon
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into that world um

into that world um
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and at that

and at that
time

time

time
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previous to then when he'd been living

previous to then when he'd been living
in<00:32:38.080> in

in in

in in
earlham<00:32:39.440> street

earlham street

earlham street
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there were people who

there were people who
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there are lots of stories about people

there are lots of stories about people
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who slipped acid in his tea and stuff

who slipped acid in his tea and stuff
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like that but i don't really think you'd

like that but i don't really think you'd
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have needed to

have needed to
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you could have just offered it to him

you could have just offered it to him
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and i don't suppose he would have

and i don't suppose he would have
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often said no he was he was

often said no he was he was
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he was definitely an explorer

he was definitely an explorer
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of that whole thing in quite a major way

of that whole thing in quite a major way
and

i i think i've

i i think i've
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i think i used to think

i think i used to think
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that it was more

that it was more
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um the circumstances and the fame and

um the circumstances and the fame and
that

that

that
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these elements

these elements
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that changed him but um i'm sort of

that changed him but um i'm sort of
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becoming maybe more reactionary in my

becoming maybe more reactionary in my
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old age and

old age and
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i'm sort of veering

i'm sort of veering
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much closer now to the

much closer now to the
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to the theory that um

to the theory that um
acid<00:33:30.880> is

acid is

acid is
more

more

more
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to blame in this

to blame in this
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than the advent of his fame because i

than the advent of his fame because i
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would

would
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would it be correct to see it as

would it be correct to see it as
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initially acid is very exciting it's a

initially acid is very exciting it's a
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journey of exploration it's sort of

journey of exploration it's sort of
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opening up the doors

opening up the doors
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and in a way you know the first album

and in a way you know the first album
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was influenced by that but then maybe

was influenced by that but then maybe
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the pressures that you know

the pressures that you know
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keeping just keeping going

keeping just keeping going
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he's kind of using it as a as a prop

he's kind of using it as a as a prop
maybe

maybe

maybe
um

that using it as a as a prop i don't i'm

that using it as a as a prop i don't i'm
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not too sure about that i think he uh

not too sure about that i think he uh
once

once

once
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you're into it and you're enjoying it

you're into it and you're enjoying it
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and you're doing it it's it's part of

and you're doing it it's it's part of
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it's part of your life and i think it's

it's part of your life and i think it's
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part of his

part of his
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life on a very regular

life on a very regular
basis<00:34:37.440> um

basis um

basis um
but

but

but
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there are a lot of other people

there are a lot of other people
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who um did

who um did
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as much or more and

as much or more and
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this has gone on ever since

this has gone on ever since
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people have been major users of lsd and

people have been major users of lsd and
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there's a lot of people who've been

there's a lot of people who've been
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major users of lsd um who never

major users of lsd um who never
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had the sort of um

had the sort of um
very<00:35:01.280> clear

very clear

very clear
mental

mental

mental
breakdown

breakdown

breakdown
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that he had which sort of

that he had which sort of
happened

happened

happened
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pretty rapidly in in my memory it sort

pretty rapidly in in my memory it sort
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of came down like a closing door

of came down like a closing door
um

um

um
so

so

so
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i think there must be

i think there must be
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you know in

you know in
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people's genetic makeup there must be

people's genetic makeup there must be
people<00:35:25.200> who<00:35:25.440> are<00:35:25.599> susceptible

people who are susceptible

people who are susceptible
to

to

to
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permanent

permanent
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or if not permanent then

or if not permanent then
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fairly permanent sort of uh change to

fairly permanent sort of uh change to
their<00:35:38.800> psyche

their psyche

their psyche
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and to the to the the damage that causes

and to the to the the damage that causes
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them and i think sid must have been one

them and i think sid must have been one
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of those

of those
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you know there are a lot of people who

you know there are a lot of people who
have

have

have
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addictive personalities and have

addictive personalities and have
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susceptibilities to certain things i

susceptibilities to certain things i
mean

mean

mean
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there seems to be

there seems to be
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a thing with alcoholics for example who

a thing with alcoholics for example who
some<00:36:02.000> people

sort of

sort of
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like they go through a door suddenly

like they go through a door suddenly
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they become

they become
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an alcoholic i don't know what whether

an alcoholic i don't know what whether
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this is

this is
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backed up in any sort of way medically

backed up in any sort of way medically
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but in in my view

but in in my view
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i have seen people who have

i have seen people who have
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gone through that alcoholism door and

gone through that alcoholism door and
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they then subsequently cannot have a

they then subsequently cannot have a
drink

drink

drink
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it's not a it's just has changed them

it's not a it's just has changed them
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there's something in their mind has

there's something in their mind has
changed

changed

changed
seemingly<00:36:30.880> forever

seemingly forever

seemingly forever
and

and

and
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i think that must happen to different

i think that must happen to different
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people in different ways they must have

people in different ways they must have
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different susceptibilities in their

different susceptibilities in their
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genetic makeup and i suspect that's what

genetic makeup and i suspect that's what
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sid had

sid had
um

um

um
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just to pursue this for a moment because

just to pursue this for a moment because
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i think it's interesting

i think it's interesting
um

um

um
dougie

dougie

dougie
who

who

who
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shared the flat with sid and i was

shared the flat with sid and i was
called

called

called
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his view

his view
is

is

is
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yeah that he didn't actually see sid

yeah that he didn't actually see sid
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taking a lot of acid at that time

taking a lot of acid at that time
um

um

um
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in fact mandrax was the thing then and

in fact mandrax was the thing then and
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so he sort of it's interesting i mean

so he sort of it's interesting i mean
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he can't attempt to discount

he can't attempt to discount
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the acid side of it

the acid side of it
i<00:37:12.160> i

i i

i i
i

i

i
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as you say dougie shared a flat with sid

as you say dougie shared a flat with sid
but<00:37:16.160> this

but this

but this
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the time that he shared a flat with sid

the time that he shared a flat with sid
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um is after

um is after
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long after well not that long after but

long after well not that long after but
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it was in

it was in
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sort of a year or so after pink floyd's

sort of a year or so after pink floyd's
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after he had

after he had
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left pink floyd this is

left pink floyd this is
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a long time after he had passed through

a long time after he had passed through
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that door

that door
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and i think and he you know he was

and i think and he you know he was
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surrounded by um as soon as he'd left

surrounded by um as soon as he'd left
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pink floyd or been ousted from pink

pink floyd or been ousted from pink
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floyd whatever you want to call it um

floyd whatever you want to call it um
he

he

he
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became surrounded by this sort of

became surrounded by this sort of
coterie

coterie

coterie
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of rather unpleasant hangers on as

of rather unpleasant hangers on as
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opposed to

opposed to
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the friends he had had previously there

the friends he had had previously there
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were a lot of people who wanted to be

were a lot of people who wanted to be
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imbued with the magic and the charisma

imbued with the magic and the charisma
that

that

that
sid

sid

sid
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had and had had and seemed to still have

had and had had and seemed to still have
for<00:38:11.040> them

for them

for them
and

and

and
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they thought

they thought
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that by

that by
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providing him

providing him
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with more drugs of every

with more drugs of every
different

different

different
type

type

type
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that um they would become his friends

that um they would become his friends
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and that seemed to be what was happening

and that seemed to be what was happening
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in the period that sid

in the period that sid
lived

in else court square uh it was a period

in else court square uh it was a period
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yeah as you say you know mandrax was

yeah as you say you know mandrax was
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definitely around quite substantially

definitely around quite substantially
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and uh was

and uh was
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uh was one of

uh was one of
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he was seemed to me to be on something

he was seemed to me to be on something
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like mandrax during most of the sessions

like mandrax during most of the sessions
for

for

for
um

um

um
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for the madcap last album and

for the madcap last album and
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now mostly certainly on that one

now mostly certainly on that one
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very much a lost soul at that time was

very much a lost soul at that time was
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very very susceptible to all these

very very susceptible to all these
people

people

people
who

who

who
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kind of worshipped him and who thought

kind of worshipped him and who thought
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they could uh

they could uh
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get some of

get some of
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you know the sparkle

you know the sparkle
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from him would rub off on them

from him would rub off on them
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so um

so um
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because in a sense he was a he was a

because in a sense he was a he was a
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major he was a star yeah this the

major he was a star yeah this the
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legendary sid barrett has was was

legendary sid barrett has was was
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already there

already there
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and had been there for some time by by

and had been there for some time by by
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1969 when we were living back to back

1969 when we were living back to back
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yeah

yeah
well

well

well
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let's move on to that because

let's move on to that because
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how did you

how did you
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in the sense

in the sense
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did you see it as an important role to

did you see it as an important role to
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to try and help sid

to try and help sid
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out of all that and then to a creative

out of all that and then to a creative
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you know strong creative kind of

you know strong creative kind of
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phase of his life

phase of his life
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i spent time trying to

i spent time trying to
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persuade some of these people that they

persuade some of these people that they
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would be better off not providing sid

would be better off not providing sid
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with drugs i mean it just seemed like a

with drugs i mean it just seemed like a
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very poor idea to me and there were lots

very poor idea to me and there were lots
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of people but they were

of people but they were
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they were you know

they were you know
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at different times there were lots of

at different times there were lots of
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very low life people hanging around sid

very low life people hanging around sid
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and providing them with that sort of

and providing them with that sort of
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thing he had become sort of impossible

thing he had become sort of impossible
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to live with um

to live with um
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and had moved out of the uh the flat at

and had moved out of the uh the flat at
edgerton<00:40:35.119> court

edgerton court

edgerton court
where

where

where
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he had uh previously shared with a

he had uh previously shared with a
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number of people who um would have had

number of people who um would have had
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his best interests at heart and would

his best interests at heart and would
have

have

have
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done what they could

done what they could
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and did try to do what they could but

and did try to do what they could but
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once he was out of

once he was out of
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that flat and i can't remember quite how

that flat and i can't remember quite how
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or why he moved out of

or why he moved out of
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edgerton court

edgerton court
um

um

um
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and to the flat and else court he seemed

and to the flat and else court he seemed
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as i say much more susceptible

as i say much more susceptible
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to to these other hangers on that um

to to these other hangers on that um
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i must say that i loathed and despised

i must say that i loathed and despised
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and um who would say to me oh you just

and um who would say to me oh you just
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don't understand you just don't get it

don't understand you just don't get it
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you just don't understand

you just don't understand
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and um you know you can't argue with

and um you know you can't argue with
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that sort of thing it's yeah i mean it

that sort of thing it's yeah i mean it
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sounds like you yourself didn't have a

sounds like you yourself didn't have a
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lot of truck with

lot of truck with
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i mean the drug side

i mean the drug side
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i i you know i've had my times i i

i i you know i've had my times i i
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started off

started off
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doing you know taking lsd as a

doing you know taking lsd as a
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as a mind-expanding thing myself and

as a mind-expanding thing myself and
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at the same time sitting in cambridge

at the same time sitting in cambridge
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years and years before this

years and years before this
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it's its power frightened me

it's its power frightened me
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and um it was a very rare

and um it was a very rare
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a very rare thing for me

a very rare thing for me
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you know

you know
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sid sort of weekly consumption would

sid sort of weekly consumption would
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probably total my

probably total my
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overall consumption so

overall consumption so
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i i'm you know i i

i i'm you know i i
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i've had my moments as i say i'm

i've had my moments as i say i'm
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certainly not a purist in these things

certainly not a purist in these things
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but um he was damaged and quite visibly

but um he was damaged and quite visibly
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damaged and

damaged and
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i i believed that i wasn't and wasn't

i i believed that i wasn't and wasn't
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and um

and um
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it it just didn't seem to be being of

it it just didn't seem to be being of
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any help to sid to encourage him to

any help to sid to encourage him to
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continue this sort of path

continue this sort of path
and

he was trying to make a record with

he was trying to make a record with
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malcolm jones

malcolm jones
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and they had spent an awfully long time

and they had spent an awfully long time
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on it

on it
and

and

and
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at some point or other

at some point or other
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um it seemed like it was being closed

um it seemed like it was being closed
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down by ami and he asked

down by ami and he asked
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me and roger to help him

me and roger to help him
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to get it finished

to get it finished
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and it seemed to me that would be a good

and it seemed to me that would be a good
way

way

way
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to try and um

to try and um
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you know help him get back on his feet a

you know help him get back on his feet a
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little bit but it

little bit but it
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it it didn't work from that point of

it it didn't work from that point of
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view because

view because
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you know he came into the studio

you know he came into the studio
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completely out of it on quite a few

completely out of it on quite a few
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occasions and uh

occasions and uh
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it was very very hard to get anything

it was very very hard to get anything
done

done

done
um

um

um
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this this was madcap laughs yeah

this this was madcap laughs yeah
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yeah the overall result

yeah the overall result
is

is

is
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uneven but it there's some wonderful

uneven but it there's some wonderful
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songs in there

songs in there
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there are some wonderful songs in there

there are some wonderful songs in there
that's<00:43:32.880> they're<00:43:33.119> really

that's they're really

that's they're really
interesting

interesting

interesting
um

um

um
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you know he doesn't he didn't seem to

you know he doesn't he didn't seem to
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have to

have to
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search for a melody

search for a melody
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or for a word they just seem to

or for a word they just seem to
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be there they seem to come very easily

be there they seem to come very easily
to<00:43:46.000> him

to him

to him
um

um

um
but

but

but
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you know the the nightmare of actually

you know the the nightmare of actually
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trying to make the record

trying to make the record
was

was

was
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it was a truly difficult

it was a truly difficult
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thing to do in the very short period of

thing to do in the very short period of
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time that emi sort of gave us to try and

time that emi sort of gave us to try and
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get it done

get it done
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and malcolm jones had in fact done a

and malcolm jones had in fact done a
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very very good job of getting the first

very very good job of getting the first
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few tracks done that i think he's sort

few tracks done that i think he's sort
of

of

of
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retired wounded or something or i can't

retired wounded or something or i can't
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i don't know i never did find out the

i don't know i never did find out the
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exact story

exact story
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of what what went on with with that and

of what what went on with with that and
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with emi but i mean obviously he had

with emi but i mean obviously he had
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several months to to get all that stuff

several months to to get all that stuff
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done and uh

done and uh
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in this day and age of course with

in this day and age of course with
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the wonders of modern recording

the wonders of modern recording
techniques

techniques

techniques
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all sorts of

all sorts of
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things could have been done

things could have been done
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but it was really really

but it was really really
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difficult to manipulate tape

difficult to manipulate tape
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in those days

in those days
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and to achieve a better result than we

and to achieve a better result than we
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than we did i'm

than we did i'm
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i think

i think
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you know it has got its charm

you know it has got its charm
um

um

um
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and the songs are very very good but i

and the songs are very very good but i
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don't think any of us were very

don't think any of us were very
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when you said

when you said
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difficulty of manipulating tape i mean

difficulty of manipulating tape i mean
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but maybe it would help to explain

but maybe it would help to explain
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the difference

the difference
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you know i mean in this day and age you

you know i mean in this day and age you
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can take

can take
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the vocals and the guitar parts and you

the vocals and the guitar parts and you
can

can

can
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cut them up in a

cut them up in a
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digital domain and i mean one could even

digital domain and i mean one could even
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go back to those tapes at this

go back to those tapes at this
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this stage and take things apart and

this stage and take things apart and
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move them about and make things much

move them about and make things much
much

much

much
more

more

more
palatable

palatable

palatable
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and then then they are on the recording

and then then they are on the recording
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nice to have had more time and

nice to have had more time and
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more techniques available to us to have

more techniques available to us to have
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made that record

made that record
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more what i imagine he would have wanted

more what i imagine he would have wanted
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it and i certainly would have wanted it

it and i certainly would have wanted it
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to be

to be
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but it's

but it's
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the songs are there

the songs are there
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his brilliance is is in those grooves

his brilliance is is in those grooves
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you know yeah the songs are

you know yeah the songs are
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stunning in a way

stunning in a way
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especially having heard one or two other

especially having heard one or two other
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people sing them

people sing them
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you know this this

you know this this
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remarkable kind of

remarkable kind of
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combination i think

combination i think
the

the

the
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the words the simplicity of the words

the words the simplicity of the words
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you know but also the

you know but also the
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melodies yeah

melodies yeah
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quite strikingly original yeah

quite strikingly original yeah
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and is that something when you were

and is that something when you were
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recording it

recording it
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it sounds like an act of sort of

it sounds like an act of sort of
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desperation to try and get some of this

desperation to try and get some of this
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apparently quite potentially great stuff

apparently quite potentially great stuff
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you know into some kind of shape

you know into some kind of shape
uh

uh

uh
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that we had so little time to do it and

that we had so little time to do it and
um

um

um
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half the days we had in the studio we

half the days we had in the studio we
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were doing other things we had gigs

were doing other things we had gigs
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those nights and we'd have to shoot off

those nights and we'd have to shoot off
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at five in the afternoon and jump in a

at five in the afternoon and jump in a
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van and trundle off up the m1

van and trundle off up the m1
um

it was just you know trying to get

it was just you know trying to get
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anything down at all it was a sort of

anything down at all it was a sort of
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desperation thing did he did he walk in

desperation thing did he did he walk in
with

with

with
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his plan for the day no no no i mean i'd

his plan for the day no no no i mean i'd
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usually go and pick him up

usually go and pick him up
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around the corner his place and we'd go

around the corner his place and we'd go
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off down there together

off down there together
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we would either sit him down

we would either sit him down
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in front of a mic and just try and get

in front of a mic and just try and get
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him to

him to
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to do something um just as a to hear the

to do something um just as a to hear the
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things so we've done a little bit of

things so we've done a little bit of
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research sort of listening to stuff at

research sort of listening to stuff at
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home getting him to sing songs at home

home getting him to sing songs at home
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but mostly it was all just done there

but mostly it was all just done there
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and then

and then
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so that those songs that he had in his

so that those songs that he had in his
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head already

head already
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he had them written down on paper had

he had them written down on paper had
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the words written out on paper for some

the words written out on paper for some
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but he he wouldn't do them the same

but he he wouldn't do them the same
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twice you know that you'd

twice you know that you'd
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do take one it'd be one version take two

do take one it'd be one version take two
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would be a different tempo different

would be a different tempo different
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obviously making it impossible for one

obviously making it impossible for one
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to really

to really
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rehearse it with musicians and then

rehearse it with musicians and then
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perform it together that didn't work and

perform it together that didn't work and
uh

uh

uh
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and putting musicians on something as

and putting musicians on something as
loose

loose

loose
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as these recordings would be afterwards

as these recordings would be afterwards
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as was almost impossible we did that

as was almost impossible we did that
with

with

with
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was there a distinction between the

was there a distinction between the
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mad cap sessions and the barrett

mad cap sessions and the barrett
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sessions or were they we had more time

sessions or were they we had more time
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in the barrett sessions

in the barrett sessions
um

um

um
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i think

i think
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we were more able to give it a little

we were more able to give it a little
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bit of polish but even so we still had

bit of polish but even so we still had
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the same problems and i don't think

the same problems and i don't think
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the remaining songs were quite as good

the remaining songs were quite as good
um

um

um
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as many of them

as many of them
and

it it came out with more polish sid was

it it came out with more polish sid was
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more pleased with it than he was with

more pleased with it than he was with
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the madcap laughs

the madcap laughs
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he did

he did
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he did actually in the lift going up at

he did actually in the lift going up at
uh

uh

uh
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to elle's court square he did say

to elle's court square he did say
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did once say thank you

did once say thank you
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for the job that was done

for the job that was done
once

once

once
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in a year or something

in a year or something
i<00:49:13.920> mean

i mean

i mean
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okay

okay
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you must have um

you must have um
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thought long and hard before plunging

thought long and hard before plunging
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into barrett after the nightcap last

into barrett after the nightcap last
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i didn't think so i don't think i

i didn't think so i don't think i
thought

thought

thought
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i thought we'd just

i thought we'd just
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crack on and do it roger didn't want to

crack on and do it roger didn't want to
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do it

do it
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and rick came in to help out on that one

and rick came in to help out on that one
um

um

um
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and i just

and i just
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got in

got in
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some of my

some of my
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friends and people to help out

friends and people to help out
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at any

at any
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point where it seemed

point where it seemed
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appropriate no like

appropriate no like
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it's a long time ago

it's a long time ago
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it's it's hard to remember

it's it's hard to remember
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was there did you have a sense maybe

was there did you have a sense maybe
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that he was slipping away from you that

that he was slipping away from you that
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there was this talent but it was you

there was this talent but it was you
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i i don't know if i thought that anymore

i i don't know if i thought that anymore
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on on barrett than i did on on the

on on barrett than i did on on the
madcap<00:50:18.720> loss

um i think possibly on on

um i think possibly on on
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on the barrett one he

on the barrett one he
didn't

didn't

didn't
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physically on the day

physically on the day
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on mandrax or anything like that as much

on mandrax or anything like that as much
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as he had on

as he had on
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the the madcap laughs but it seemed like

the the madcap laughs but it seemed like
the<00:50:43.200> psychosis

the psychosis

the psychosis
was

was

was
as

as

as
ingrained

ingrained

ingrained
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embedded in him as as as ever and

embedded in him as as as ever and
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which must have been incredibly

which must have been incredibly
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difficult to communicate

difficult to communicate
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well all the way through both

well all the way through both
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communication was impossible it's um

communication was impossible it's um
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it's a very hard

it's a very hard
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thing to describe

thing to describe
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what the way conversations would go

what the way conversations would go
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because they all

because they all
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everything he said seemed to make sense

everything he said seemed to make sense
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but i couldn't for the life may

but i couldn't for the life may
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it would come back on a different plane

it would come back on a different plane
and

whatever question you would ask him

whatever question you would ask him
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a meaning seemed to resonate slightly

a meaning seemed to resonate slightly
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but i couldn't quite ever manage to work

but i couldn't quite ever manage to work
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so he would subvert

so he would subvert
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everything he said in a way

everything he said in a way
yeah

yeah

yeah
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i don't think he i don't think he was

i don't think he i don't think he was
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deliberately trying i think that's just

deliberately trying i think that's just
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the way his mind was working and he

the way his mind was working and he
would

would

would
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just say whatever came into his head

just say whatever came into his head
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in response whatever you had said to him

in response whatever you had said to him
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but it seemed like he was answering a

but it seemed like he was answering a
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slightly different question to you were

slightly different question to you were
asking

asking

asking
at

at

at
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didn't all that he was

didn't all that he was
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in a way sort of standing back and

in a way sort of standing back and
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sending sending you up to some extent um

sending sending you up to some extent um
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not at that point no

not at that point no
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i mean

i mean
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at the point when

at the point when
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i first joined the band and the first

i first joined the band and the first
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rehearsals that we did he was definitely

rehearsals that we did he was definitely
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but on the legendary have you got it yet

but on the legendary have you got it yet
rehearsal

rehearsal

rehearsal
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it was just i don't know it was just a

it was just i don't know it was just a
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little strum along with

little strum along with
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him singing have you got it yet and us

him singing have you got it yet and us
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having to say no

having to say no
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in answer to it and he changed it every

in answer to it and he changed it every
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but you must you knew then that uh

but you must you knew then that uh
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we were amazingly stupid and didn't get

we were amazingly stupid and didn't get
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but my excuse was i only joined the band

but my excuse was i only joined the band
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that week and i was

that week and i was
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young and impressionable

young and impressionable
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the others i don't know

the others i don't know
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one would have thought

one would have thought
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and can you tell us about the the

and can you tell us about the the
domino's<00:53:22.319> experience

um

um
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well we put down the track for dominoes

well we put down the track for dominoes
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i think i played the drums on it for

i think i played the drums on it for
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some reason i think

some reason i think
dreadfully

dreadfully

dreadfully
um

um

um
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what you're talking about is the guitar

what you're talking about is the guitar
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so which we tried to do several times

so which we tried to do several times
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get him to play a lead guitar

get him to play a lead guitar
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part over the song

part over the song
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and um

and um
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it didn't work

it didn't work
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and after we'd tried it for god knows

and after we'd tried it for god knows
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how long he suggested that we turn the

how long he suggested that we turn the
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tape over

tape over
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which means that you listen

which means that you listen
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and

and
somehow

he could divine what was going on it's a

he could divine what was going on it's a
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very difficult thing to do if you've

very difficult thing to do if you've
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ever tried listening to a tape backwards

ever tried listening to a tape backwards
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to try and work out what's going on

to try and work out what's going on
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when it's going on the tempo anything is

when it's going on the tempo anything is
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very very difficult even um even you

very very difficult even um even you
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know beats

know beats
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cease to have any impact because they

cease to have any impact because they
just

just

just
and

and

and
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but he he did one take of it with the

but he he did one take of it with the
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tape running backwards

tape running backwards
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and we turned it over

and we turned it over
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and played it back because you can only

and played it back because you can only
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hear what's going on

hear what's going on
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when you turn it back over and the

when you turn it back over and the
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music's the right way around on the

music's the right way around on the
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guitars backwards

guitars backwards
um

and it just

and it just
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immediately it seemed to fit perfectly

immediately it seemed to fit perfectly
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and that's the one that's on the record

and that's the one that's on the record
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we never had to do it again

we never had to do it again
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and it just seemed and still seems

and it just seemed and still seems
mind-boggling

mind-boggling

mind-boggling
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that he could

that he could
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not manage to get a guitar part that

not manage to get a guitar part that
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implies him or any of us

implies him or any of us
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for an hour or two

for an hour or two
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the right way around but as soon as

the right way around but as soon as
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you've turned the tape backwards into

you've turned the tape backwards into
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something that

something that
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it's very hard for anyone to understand

it's very hard for anyone to understand
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he just did it did something perfectly

he just did it did something perfectly
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appropriate and brilliant in one go

appropriate and brilliant in one go
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the one and only sid barrett

the one and only sid barrett
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a billed sid barrett performance you you

a billed sid barrett performance you you
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and jerry played at olympia i think

and jerry played at olympia i think
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can you tell us about that i can't

can you tell us about that i can't
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remember a lot about it um i can't

remember a lot about it um i can't
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remember how it came about we played in

remember how it came about we played in
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the sort of um

the sort of um
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in the front foyer i think at something

in the front foyer i think at something
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like that i can't remember what it was

like that i can't remember what it was
but

but

but
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i seem to remember it was in the daytime

i seem to remember it was in the daytime
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i seem to remember it being daylight

i seem to remember it being daylight
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outside we were just behind those big

outside we were just behind those big
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glass fronted doors all the way along

glass fronted doors all the way along
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front and we played a few songs and

front and we played a few songs and
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then you know sid put his guitar down

then you know sid put his guitar down
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and walked off and we left and that was

and walked off and we left and that was
it

it

it
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i i have no memory of exactly how that

i i have no memory of exactly how that
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came about or who wanted to do it or how

came about or who wanted to do it or how
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we did you know we did a couple of

we did you know we did a couple of
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appeal sessions and things like that

appeal sessions and things like that
where

where

where
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he would come along and we'd have a few

he would come along and we'd have a few
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people and we would play some of the

people and we would play some of the
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songs records on the songs sort of

songs records on the songs sort of
quickly

quickly

quickly
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without with very little preparation for

without with very little preparation for
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the john peel show and things like that

the john peel show and things like that
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but that was the only

but that was the only
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live performance that

live performance that
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i know about

i know about
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jerry's memory was that he stopped

jerry's memory was that he stopped
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halfway through a song

halfway through a song
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put the guitar down do you remember that

put the guitar down do you remember that
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i don't remember that

i don't remember that
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i can't remember i think i just i think

i can't remember i think i just i think
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i was playing the bass and uh

i was playing the bass and uh
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sid was playing the guitar and singing

sid was playing the guitar and singing
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and jerry's playing the drums and

and jerry's playing the drums and
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i remember it being quite brief but

i remember it being quite brief but
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my memory i'm afraid is not good of it

my memory i'm afraid is not good of it
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probably

probably
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i don't think it was that traumatic i

i don't think it was that traumatic i
just

um it you know it didn't

um it you know it didn't
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it didn't assume the sort of

it didn't assume the sort of
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significance that people attached to

significance that people attached to
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these things later at that moment so i

these things later at that moment so i
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wasn't thinking god people will say this

wasn't thinking god people will say this
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is the only

is the only
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gig that sid ever did after being floyd

gig that sid ever did after being floyd
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your guitar style was obviously rather

your guitar style was obviously rather
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different from sids when you joined pink

different from sids when you joined pink
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floyd yeah the whole sound of the band

floyd yeah the whole sound of the band
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very different from your band yeah how

very different from your band yeah how
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did you

did you
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ration did you adapt to that or did they

ration did you adapt to that or did they
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adapt to you i mean both but at the

adapt to you i mean both but at the
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beginning i had to very quickly adapt to

beginning i had to very quickly adapt to
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them and play

them and play
stuff

stuff

stuff
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that i mean i had no clue what i was

that i mean i had no clue what i was
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doing it's probably dreadful

doing it's probably dreadful
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it was

it was
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also excruciatingly embarrassing

also excruciatingly embarrassing
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um to the extent that i used to mostly

um to the extent that i used to mostly
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play with my back to the audience

play with my back to the audience
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and i was

and i was
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had very embarrassed and very

had very embarrassed and very
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nervous about what was what i was doing

nervous about what was what i was doing
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i didn't feel at all sure of myself i

i didn't feel at all sure of myself i
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didn't know what to play

didn't know what to play
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play on these songs and on these sort of

play on these songs and on these sort of
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templates that

templates that
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sid and the band had been playing on

sid and the band had been playing on
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for some time

for some time
and

and

and
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i was conscious that i

i was conscious that i
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needed to at some point try and make it

needed to at some point try and make it
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more my own

more my own
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but at the very outset it was just

but at the very outset it was just
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really learning lots of stuff and

really learning lots of stuff and
then

then

then
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learning sids parts and then playing

learning sids parts and then playing
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guitar sailors that i thought fitted at

guitar sailors that i thought fitted at
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the time but it was it wasn't it wasn't

the time but it was it wasn't it wasn't
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a lot of fun i have to tell you it's

a lot of fun i have to tell you it's
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been very difficult were you doing

been very difficult were you doing
things<00:58:55.040> like

things like

things like
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interstellar overdrive yeah

interstellar overdrive yeah
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interstellar overdrive power talk h

interstellar overdrive power talk h
um

um

um
these

these

these
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very sort of strange

very sort of strange
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um very i mean they were very loose

um very i mean they were very loose
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bases for psychedelic jams basically as

bases for psychedelic jams basically as
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i hadn't done any psychedelic jamming

i hadn't done any psychedelic jamming
really<00:59:14.480> before<00:59:14.799> then

really before then

really before then
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that sort of veered more towards jimi

that sort of veered more towards jimi
hendrix

did you pick up on techniques from sid

did you pick up on techniques from sid
and

and

and
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i must have done some yes

i must have done some yes
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i don't really

i don't really
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don't think i mean i consciously learnt

don't think i mean i consciously learnt
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some of his licks and his parts right at

some of his licks and his parts right at
the<00:59:38.160> beginning

the beginning

the beginning
but<00:59:39.520> um

but um

but um
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his style was

his style was
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fairly radically different to mine and

fairly radically different to mine and
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i think they probably mostly went by the

i think they probably mostly went by the
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buy after a little while

buy after a little while
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i mean i guess as

i mean i guess as
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you developed

you developed
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floyd developed with you

floyd developed with you
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there was a new kind of sound emerging

there was a new kind of sound emerging
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gradually wasn't it

gradually wasn't it
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well it was as soon as we got into the

well it was as soon as we got into the
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studio and started putting down

studio and started putting down
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new stuff particularly with doing the

new stuff particularly with doing the
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actual track source full of secrets i

actual track source full of secrets i
suppose

suppose

suppose
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it started

it started
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becoming more clear to me where

becoming more clear to me where
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we were we were going

we were we were going
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and what i could be doing within those

and what i could be doing within those
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frameworks and it gave us a whole uh set

frameworks and it gave us a whole uh set
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of new

of new
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frameworks which sid hadn't been a part

frameworks which sid hadn't been a part
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of which obviously releases one

of which obviously releases one
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and yet i you know

and yet i you know
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i'm tempted to say the spectra continued

i'm tempted to say the spectra continued
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quite how much

quite how much
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um the spectre of sid

um the spectre of sid
haunted<01:00:48.960> us

haunted us

haunted us
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subsequently i mean obviously we went

subsequently i mean obviously we went
back<01:00:52.559> to<01:00:52.720> it

back to it

back to it
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you know with wish you were here um

you know with wish you were here um
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in a major way

in a major way
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and i was thinking also i mean something

and i was thinking also i mean something
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like that the brain damage

like that the brain damage
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yeah seems so almost literally the about

yeah seems so almost literally the about
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said well you'd have to ask roger about

said well you'd have to ask roger about
that

that

that
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he never got too precise on explanations

he never got too precise on explanations
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of exactly what he was

of exactly what he was
um

i yeah obviously the obviously

i yeah obviously the obviously
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um sids

um sids
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um so-called madness

um so-called madness
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um influenced the the theme of madness

um influenced the the theme of madness
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perhaps with hindsight now i mean you

perhaps with hindsight now i mean you
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can tell us did you feel

can tell us did you feel
involved

involved

involved
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in that or were you

in that or were you
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kind of standing slightly back from it

kind of standing slightly back from it
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at the point you were making those

at the point you were making those
records

records

records
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making dark side of the moon or

making dark side of the moon or
something<01:01:48.720> yeah

roger kept his uh

roger kept his uh
his<01:01:53.920> lyrical<01:01:54.480> thing

his lyrical thing

his lyrical thing
fairly

fairly

fairly
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it was you know that became his rogers

it was you know that became his rogers
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department and he was

department and he was
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writing that stuff and i didn't feel

writing that stuff and i didn't feel
qualified<01:02:10.960> to

qualified to

qualified to
to

interfere very much and he didn't want

interfere very much and he didn't want
interference<01:02:16.799> in<01:02:16.880> it<01:02:17.039> and<01:02:17.119> i<01:02:17.599> anyway

interference in it and i anyway

interference in it and i anyway
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saw myself as more

saw myself as more
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the music

the music
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person and trying to make the musical

person and trying to make the musical
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side of it all

side of it all
fit

fit

fit
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and work well

and work well
um

um

um
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and i i suppose i if you like abdicated

and i i suppose i if you like abdicated
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my responsibilities in that department

my responsibilities in that department
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and then left it solely

and then left it solely
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up to roger with the words um

up to roger with the words um
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the combination of

the combination of
the

the

the
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the music um i mean what you have i

the music um i mean what you have i
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think with you here is obviously there's

think with you here is obviously there's
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a there's a fantastically strong sense

a there's a fantastically strong sense
of

of

of
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that kind of um

that kind of um
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grief in the music i mean it's the sound

grief in the music i mean it's the sound
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of the guitar it's sort of you know

of the guitar it's sort of you know
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i think for me the that album the wish

i think for me the that album the wish
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you hear album is is probably

you hear album is is probably
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the best balanced

the best balanced
album

album

album
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in terms of the

in terms of the
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music having the emotional strength on

music having the emotional strength on
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its own um to match

its own um to match
the

the

the
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brilliant uh

brilliant uh
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words that go with it and them all

words that go with it and them all
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gelling together

gelling together
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to make something that has a real sort

to make something that has a real sort
of

of

of
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emotional impact

emotional impact
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and to me it's that works better than

and to me it's that works better than
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dark side the moon does

dark side the moon does
and

it conveys

it conveys
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it's interesting because

it's interesting because
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the general audience a lot of people

the general audience a lot of people
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don't know

don't know
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the story of sid

the story of sid
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nevertheless it does convey to people

nevertheless it does convey to people
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that there's a very strong personal

that there's a very strong personal
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quality to those songs yeah

quality to those songs yeah
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and to that music and

and to that music and
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it's also very

it's also very
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kind of inventive and it musically isn't

kind of inventive and it musically isn't
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it i mean

it i mean
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that long opening sequence

that long opening sequence
um

um

um
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before you start singing was it five

before you start singing was it five
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minutes in at least

minutes in at least
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quite a way yeah i'm not sure that's the

quite a way yeah i'm not sure that's the
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sort of emotional build-up

sort of emotional build-up
yeah

yeah

yeah
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kind of grabs you you know

kind of grabs you you know
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is that

is that
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something that

something that
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just seemed naturally to develop from

just seemed naturally to develop from
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such an intuitive thing

such an intuitive thing
i

i

i
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i had um expressed my view

i had um expressed my view
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after we had done dark side of the moon

after we had done dark side of the moon
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that uh

that uh
we

we

we
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were in danger

were in danger
of

of

of
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of not getting the balance quite right

of not getting the balance quite right
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of between the

of between the
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words and the music and making the

words and the music and making the
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the vehicles

the vehicles
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as powerful

as powerful
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on their own

on their own
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as the words were to in order to make

as the words were to in order to make
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the two things fit together so

the two things fit together so
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um i was pushing from

um i was pushing from
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at that time to try and

at that time to try and
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carry itself

carry itself
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roger was um

roger was um
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when i did that little daddy

when i did that little daddy
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thing you know in a rehearsal room

thing you know in a rehearsal room
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somewhere it's slipped out somewhere

somewhere it's slipped out somewhere
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roger was very taken with that

roger was very taken with that
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very quickly as a sort of emotional

very quickly as a sort of emotional
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little cry and that

little cry and that
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it all started

it all started
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coming together

coming together
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pieces which surfaced on

pieces which surfaced on
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on the animals album subsequently which

on the animals album subsequently which
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we were rehearsing and putting together

we were rehearsing and putting together
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at the same time and

at the same time and
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i wanted to ought to make all three into

i wanted to ought to make all three into
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an album at the time but i'm

an album at the time but i'm
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glad to say that

glad to say that
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roger disagreed and wanted to lose those

roger disagreed and wanted to lose those
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two for the time being and

two for the time being and
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and extend the one piece

and extend the one piece
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shine and ukenzie diamond to

shine and ukenzie diamond to
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make the whole record he was definitely

make the whole record he was definitely
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um

um
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the was it was it

the was it was it
uh

uh

uh
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conscious between all of you that this

conscious between all of you that this
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was an album about sid

was an album about sid
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yes yes

yes yes
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i mean a lot of the music

i mean a lot of the music
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being created we were sitting in a

being created we were sitting in a
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rehearsal room ghastly little room in

rehearsal room ghastly little room in
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king's cross

king's cross
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putting that all together and i can't

putting that all together and i can't
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really remember it the exact time when

really remember it the exact time when
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um it must have

um it must have
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struck roger that the

struck roger that the
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emotional impact of the beginnings of

emotional impact of the beginnings of
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this piece of music we're going to

this piece of music we're going to
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involve sid and be about sid

involve sid and be about sid
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my memory is just not quite that good

my memory is just not quite that good
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i mean other things like the song wish

i mean other things like the song wish
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you were here didn't

you were here didn't
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surface out of those sessions at all

surface out of those sessions at all
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that happened in the studio

that happened in the studio
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when i was um plonking that riff on the

when i was um plonking that riff on the
12th<01:07:06.240> string

but by then i think it must have been

but by then i think it must have been
very<01:07:12.799> established<01:07:13.440> already

what's your feeling now about the wall

what's your feeling now about the wall
um

um

um
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and i when i look at that movie of the

and i when i look at that movie of the
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wall with bob gerdoff and there's pink

wall with bob gerdoff and there's pink
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in the hotel bedroom

in the hotel bedroom
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knocked in you know watching tv it's

knocked in you know watching tv it's
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difficult to not to think of sid barrett

difficult to not to think of sid barrett
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yeah yes well i'm

yeah yes well i'm
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obviously yeah he's he's in there too

obviously yeah he's he's in there too
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yeah gets in everywhere

yeah gets in everywhere
um

um

um
well

did you

did you
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i'm not sure i can be bothered with the

i'm not sure i can be bothered with the
wall<01:07:56.079> really

talking about it i should say it's not

talking about it i should say it's not
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uh i think we did a damn good job on it

uh i think we did a damn good job on it
but<01:08:04.960> um

but um

but um
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sort of

sort of
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it would sort of run its course maybe i

it would sort of run its course maybe i
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mean maybe you said all you needed to

mean maybe you said all you needed to
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say and wish you were here

say and wish you were here
um

you know our personal problems in the

you know our personal problems in the
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more dominant

more dominant
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um roger was becoming more dominant and

um roger was becoming more dominant and
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it was less easy to

it was less easy to
to<01:08:36.080> argue

to argue

to argue
that

stand on its own

stand on its own
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before you added the extra weight of

before you added the extra weight of
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i don't think that um

i don't think that um
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i had no real disagreements

i had no real disagreements
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with what was being said on wish you're

with what was being said on wish you're
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here for example or on dark side of the

here for example or on dark side of the
moon

moon

moon
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but um

but um
you<01:09:08.000> know

you know

you know
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once it's established that roger is the

once it's established that roger is the
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lyricist it becomes harder and harder to

lyricist it becomes harder and harder to
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say well

say well
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do you think we need to go down this

do you think we need to go down this
road

anyway that's a different story it is

anyway that's a different story it is
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yes it's a different different whole

yes it's a different different whole
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different whole era in a way

different whole era in a way
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looking at the the output host

looking at the the output host
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posts sid in the man i mean

posts sid in the man i mean
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there is certainly it's probably

there is certainly it's probably
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too simplistic to look at it like this

too simplistic to look at it like this
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but it's sort of laying the ghost

but it's sort of laying the ghost
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does seem to be

does seem to be
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wish you were here

wish you were here
yeah

yeah

yeah
um

oh yes but that was very uncanny also

oh yes but that was very uncanny also
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that he came up turned out that famous

that he came up turned out that famous
story

story

story
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everyone remembers it slightly

everyone remembers it slightly
differently

differently

differently
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sid turning up and who was the one who

sid turning up and who was the one who
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finally spotted who he was

finally spotted who he was
and

and

and
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what then happened

what then happened
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again my memory is not over clear

again my memory is not over clear
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on it but he definitely was there and

on it but he definitely was there and
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was wandering around and at some point

was wandering around and at some point
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someone said god that's it we really

someone said god that's it we really
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for some considerable period of time it

for some considerable period of time it
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might have been 15 minutes it might have

might have been 15 minutes it might have
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been an hour didn't recognize him at all

been an hour didn't recognize him at all
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shaved and shaved bald head and

shaved and shaved bald head and
very<01:10:32.400> plump

and yet it was only what three or four

and yet it was only what three or four
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years since yeah

years since yeah
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it wasn't that long but it doesn't take

it wasn't that long but it doesn't take
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that long that was in fact the last time

that long that was in fact the last time
i<01:10:45.280> saw<01:10:45.520> him

i saw him

i saw him
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jerry's memory of that was that it was

jerry's memory of that was that it was
your<01:10:49.360> wedding<01:10:49.679> day

your wedding day

your wedding day
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no it wasn't no he's wrong that's wrong

no it wasn't no he's wrong that's wrong
yes<01:10:53.440> there's<01:10:53.679> all<01:10:53.760> sorts<01:10:54.080> of<01:10:54.239> uh

yes there's all sorts of uh

yes there's all sorts of uh
stories<01:10:56.880> about<01:10:57.040> that<01:10:57.199> no<01:10:57.440> it's<01:10:57.600> not

um

um
was<01:11:01.920> the

was the

was the
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the barrett sessions that was that was

the barrett sessions that was that was
the<01:11:04.560> end<01:11:04.719> of<01:11:04.800> your

the end of your

the end of your
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attempt to help sue with his music was

attempt to help sue with his music was
that

that

that
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the studio sessions then yes yes at the

the studio sessions then yes yes at the
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end of that that was the last i mean i

end of that that was the last i mean i
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we still lived or next door for a while

we still lived or next door for a while
i<01:11:16.239> can't<01:11:16.560> quite

i can't quite

i can't quite
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i i moved out of there in about

i i moved out of there in about
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september 1970 i think and got a house

september 1970 i think and got a house
in<01:11:24.800> the<01:11:24.880> country<01:11:25.280> somewhere

in the country somewhere

in the country somewhere
and<01:11:27.360> um

and um

and um
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didn't really see much of sid after that

didn't really see much of sid after that
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and i don't know quite what his

and i don't know quite what his
movements<01:11:33.920> were

movements were

movements were
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and where where he moved to and when

and where where he moved to and when
after<01:11:38.400> that<01:11:38.560> but<01:11:38.800> that's<01:11:39.040> all

after that but that's all

after that but that's all
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on the record somewhere i think

on the record somewhere i think
did<01:11:44.080> you

did you

did you
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attempt to stay in touch with it was

attempt to stay in touch with it was
that<01:11:46.640> sort<01:11:46.800> of<01:11:46.880> sense<01:11:47.120> of<01:11:47.199> relief

that sort of sense of relief

that sort of sense of relief
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i can't remember i don't think i'd

i can't remember i don't think i'd
really<01:11:51.199> tried<01:11:51.520> very<01:11:51.760> hard

what are your feelings about about it

what are your feelings about about it
all<01:11:57.920> now<01:11:58.080> about<01:11:58.320> him<01:11:58.880> um

all now about him um

all now about him um
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i mean in the sense it's the weirdest

i mean in the sense it's the weirdest
situation<01:12:02.000> he's<01:12:02.080> talking<01:12:02.320> about<01:12:02.560> somebody

situation he's talking about somebody

situation he's talking about somebody
who's<01:12:03.199> as<01:12:03.360> though<01:12:03.600> they're<01:12:03.760> dead<01:12:04.080> almost

who's as though they're dead almost

who's as though they're dead almost
yeah<01:12:05.679> he's<01:12:05.920> around

yeah he's around

yeah he's around
yeah<01:12:07.199> but<01:12:07.520> shut<01:12:07.760> off

yeah but shut off

yeah but shut off
um

um

um
i<01:12:11.920> i<01:12:12.480> have

i i have

i i have
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you know i've speak to your sister

you know i've speak to your sister
rosemary<01:12:15.520> every<01:12:15.679> once<01:12:15.920> in<01:12:16.000> a<01:12:16.080> while

rosemary every once in a while

rosemary every once in a while
um

she

she
has<01:12:22.080> said<01:12:22.320> to<01:12:22.480> me<01:12:22.640> that<01:12:22.880> uh

has said to me that uh

has said to me that uh
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that that maybe i should go and see him

that that maybe i should go and see him
one<01:12:26.640> day<01:12:26.880> and

one day and

one day and
i've<01:12:27.840> thought<01:12:28.080> about<01:12:28.320> doing<01:12:28.560> that<01:12:28.800> but<01:12:29.040> i

i've thought about doing that but i

i've thought about doing that but i
haven't<01:12:30.800> as<01:12:30.960> yet<01:12:31.280> done<01:12:31.520> it<01:12:31.679> i'm<01:12:32.000> i'm<01:12:32.239> not<01:12:32.480> sure

i'm not 100 certain what he would want

i'm not 100 certain what he would want
um

um

um
i<01:12:40.159> i'm<01:12:40.480> sure<01:12:40.800> he's

i i'm sure he's

i i'm sure he's
he's<01:12:42.080> in<01:12:42.239> a<01:12:42.320> much<01:12:42.560> better<01:12:42.960> shape<01:12:43.679> these<01:12:44.000> days

he's in a much better shape these days

he's in a much better shape these days
than<01:12:44.480> he<01:12:44.719> has<01:12:44.880> been

than he has been

than he has been
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i don't know

i don't know
he<01:12:51.360> he<01:12:51.520> apparently<01:12:52.000> has<01:12:52.320> been

by hearsay that he has

by hearsay that he has
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been sort of treated for for his

been sort of treated for for his
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condition at various times and

condition at various times and
has<01:13:05.600> walked<01:13:05.920> out<01:13:06.159> on<01:13:06.239> those<01:13:06.480> treatments<01:13:06.960> and

has walked out on those treatments and

has walked out on those treatments and
so<01:13:07.280> on<01:13:07.440> so<01:13:07.679> forth<01:13:07.920> but<01:13:08.159> i<01:13:08.320> i

so on so forth but i i

so on so forth but i i
wouldn't<01:13:11.120> necessarily<01:13:11.920> i<01:13:12.000> mean<01:13:12.640> think<01:13:13.120> that

wouldn't necessarily i mean think that

wouldn't necessarily i mean think that
at<01:13:13.679> this

at this

at this
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stage you could call him anyone who is

stage you could call him anyone who is
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i think he's just happy to

i think he's just happy to
keep<01:13:22.880> well<01:13:23.199> out<01:13:23.360> of<01:13:23.520> all<01:13:23.679> this

keep well out of all this

keep well out of all this
stuff<01:13:25.280> i<01:13:25.360> don't<01:13:25.600> think

thinking about his past is does he much

thinking about his past is does he much
good

there's but i don't know you know i'm

there's but i don't know you know i'm
just<01:13:36.239> starting

just starting

just starting
like

like

like
it's<01:13:38.239> really<01:13:38.640> guesswork

it's it's a time to see this as

it's it's a time to see this as
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if if one was to put a conscious motive

if if one was to put a conscious motive
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answer onto sid for doing this

answer onto sid for doing this
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um i could see a kind of thread of his

um i could see a kind of thread of his
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returning to a place of safety almost

returning to a place of safety almost
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from the in a way the madness

from the in a way the madness
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that the lsd may have unleashed but this

that the lsd may have unleashed but this
place<01:14:05.600> of<01:14:05.760> safety<01:14:06.560> withdrawal

place of safety withdrawal

place of safety withdrawal
it's<01:14:09.199> also<01:14:09.520> interesting<01:14:09.840> that<01:14:10.239> as

it's also interesting that as

it's also interesting that as
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you know it's nearly 30 years ago that

you know it's nearly 30 years ago that
what<01:14:13.600> is<01:14:13.760> that

what is that

what is that
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that he did his last recordings and yet

that he did his last recordings and yet
there's<01:14:17.760> this

there's this

there's this
increasing<01:14:20.239> interest

increasing interest

increasing interest
yeah<01:14:21.920> there's<01:14:22.159> been<01:14:22.400> this

yeah there's been this

yeah there's been this
interest<01:14:24.000> hovering<01:14:24.400> there<01:14:24.640> for<01:14:25.120> all<01:14:25.280> these

interest hovering there for all these

interest hovering there for all these
years<01:14:26.000> and

years and

years and
i<01:14:27.280> think<01:14:27.679> now<01:14:28.000> with<01:14:28.640> the<01:14:28.880> internet<01:14:29.360> and

i think now with the internet and

i think now with the internet and
this<01:14:31.040> stuff<01:14:31.360> it<01:14:31.600> it's

this stuff it it's

this stuff it it's
it's<01:14:33.840> like<01:14:34.080> a<01:14:34.159> worldwide

it's like a worldwide

it's like a worldwide
fan<01:14:35.760> club<01:14:36.000> thing<01:14:36.400> that

fan club thing that

fan club thing that
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for thousands of things and cities one

for thousands of things and cities one
of<01:14:39.040> the<01:14:39.120> ones<01:14:39.440> who's<01:14:39.679> uh

of the ones who's uh

of the ones who's uh
on<01:14:41.679> there<01:14:42.159> in<01:14:42.480> in<01:14:42.719> bulk

on there in in bulk

on there in in bulk
so

so

so
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very much influential younger musicians

very much influential younger musicians
as<01:14:48.800> well<01:14:48.960> obviously<01:14:49.440> amazing

as well obviously amazing

as well obviously amazing
yeah

yeah

yeah
absolutely<01:14:51.920> no<01:14:52.239> i<01:14:52.400> mean

absolutely no i mean

absolutely no i mean
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he is one of the one of the

he is one of the one of the
few<01:14:56.239> real

few real

few real
sort<01:14:58.400> of<01:14:58.640> musical<01:14:59.120> geniuses<01:14:59.760> of<01:14:59.840> this

sort of musical geniuses of this

sort of musical geniuses of this
pop

pop

pop
era

i think and it's um

i think and it's um
although<01:15:06.640> his

actual output is pathetically small

actual output is pathetically small
it<01:15:12.159> is<01:15:12.400> quite<01:15:12.640> influential

extremely influential

extremely influential
that's<01:15:17.920> that's<01:15:18.159> a<01:15:18.239> very<01:15:18.480> strong<01:15:18.880> thing<01:15:19.360> where

that's that's a very strong thing where

that's that's a very strong thing where
to<01:15:19.760> use<01:15:20.000> i<01:15:20.080> mean

to use i mean

to use i mean
genius

quite uh

quite uh
quite<01:15:25.920> deliberately

i've i've tried to

i've i've tried to
encourage<01:15:31.760> people<01:15:32.000> to<01:15:32.080> talk<01:15:32.320> more<01:15:32.560> about

encourage people to talk more about

encourage people to talk more about
the<01:15:34.400> distinctive<01:15:35.199> you<01:15:35.360> know<01:15:35.440> the<01:15:35.600> genius

the distinctive you know the genius

the distinctive you know the genius
quality

can you help us a bit on that i mean i

can you help us a bit on that i mean i
mean<01:15:41.280> i<01:15:41.440> totally<01:15:41.679> agree<01:15:41.920> with<01:15:42.080> you<01:15:42.239> but<01:15:42.480> um

mean i totally agree with you but um

mean i totally agree with you but um
where<01:15:43.679> would<01:15:43.840> you<01:15:44.080> say<01:15:44.320> that

where would you say that

where would you say that
that's<01:15:45.600> it

that's it

that's it
that's<01:15:48.080> that's<01:15:48.320> the<01:15:48.480> thing<01:15:48.719> about<01:15:48.960> it<01:15:49.120> is<01:15:49.280> it's

that's that's the thing about it is it's

that's that's the thing about it is it's
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impossible to say it's something that is

impossible to say it's something that is
an<01:15:51.840> emotional<01:15:52.400> response<01:15:52.800> that<01:15:52.960> you<01:15:53.040> either

an emotional response that you either

an emotional response that you either
get<01:15:53.520> or<01:15:53.679> you<01:15:53.840> don't<01:15:54.080> get<01:15:54.800> and

get or you don't get and

get or you don't get and
his

his

his
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recorded output um post pink floyd um

recorded output um post pink floyd um
you've<01:16:01.760> got<01:16:02.000> to<01:16:02.159> have<01:16:02.480> a

you've got to have a

you've got to have a
sort<01:16:03.440> of

sort of

sort of
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receptive forgiving mind to and and some

receptive forgiving mind to and and some
sort<01:16:08.159> of

sort of

sort of
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even some sort of ability to bypass

even some sort of ability to bypass
um

um

um
the<01:16:13.920> awful<01:16:14.400> sound<01:16:14.800> and<01:16:14.960> the<01:16:15.280> awful

the awful sound and the awful

the awful sound and the awful
versions<01:16:17.360> of<01:16:17.440> the<01:16:17.600> awful<01:16:17.920> recording

versions of the awful recording

versions of the awful recording
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of of what went on on those on those

of of what went on on those on those
solo<01:16:23.679> albums

solo albums

solo albums
um<01:16:25.199> to<01:16:25.360> get

um to get

um to get
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to be able to hear the heart of what

to be able to hear the heart of what
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those songs are and what they could do

those songs are and what they could do
as<01:16:30.880> you<01:16:31.120> said

as you said

as you said
um

um

um
you<01:16:32.880> know

you know

you know
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some of those ones have you have been

some of those ones have you have been
able<01:16:37.199> to

able to

able to
see<01:16:38.400> and<01:16:38.880> hear

see and hear

see and hear
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better when other people have done them

better when other people have done them
um

i can i can really see that there's a

i can i can really see that there's a
couple<01:16:50.560> of<01:16:50.880> songs

couple of songs

couple of songs
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which i hadn't really looked at before

which i hadn't really looked at before
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which stand out as being almost

which stand out as being almost
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extraordinary sort of poetry as well

extraordinary sort of poetry as well
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like wolf pack yeah

like wolf pack yeah
an<01:17:02.880> amazing<01:17:03.360> song<01:17:03.920> yeah

an amazing song yeah

an amazing song yeah
the<01:17:05.120> words

the words

the words
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if you read them as a poem and stand up

if you read them as a poem and stand up
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it's a very powerful yeah set of images

it's a very powerful yeah set of images
yeah

yeah

yeah
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and then you can contrast that with

and then you can contrast that with
something<01:17:16.159> very<01:17:16.480> simple

something very simple

something very simple
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simple sort of personal

simple sort of personal
yeah

yeah

yeah
well<01:17:25.440> i<01:17:25.920> it's

well i it's

well i it's
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as i say that they're hard to get

as i say that they're hard to get
everything<01:17:29.840> out<01:17:30.080> of

everything out of

everything out of
because<01:17:32.080> of

because of

because of
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you know the barriers that are in the

you know the barriers that are in the
way<01:17:35.760> between

way between

way between
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the essential song as it

the essential song as it
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must have been conceived in his head and

must have been conceived in his head and
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what you get that comes out of your

what you get that comes out of your
speakers

do you still um

do you still um
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in your sets now when you

in your sets now when you
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i don't know whether you're

i don't know whether you're
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planning to go on tour as pink floyd

planning to go on tour as pink floyd
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again but certainly you've you've played

again but certainly you've you've played
yourself<01:17:57.600> until<01:17:57.920> recently

yourself until recently

yourself until recently
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i did i did a show recently yeah

i did i did a show recently yeah
do<01:18:02.159> you<01:18:02.640> play<01:18:03.360> um

do you play um

do you play um
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anything from i wish you were here no

anything from i wish you were here no
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yeah i i played um yes i played china on

yeah i i played um yes i played china on
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your crazy diamond as a solo acoustic

your crazy diamond as a solo acoustic
piece

piece

piece
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which was quite interesting

which was quite interesting
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and i did wish you here

and i did wish you here
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i also did a terrapin

i also did a terrapin
from

from

from
of<01:18:20.560> sids

which was

which was
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really nice to do i

really nice to do i
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sat and played through

sat and played through
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many of the songs from the from those

many of the songs from the from those
two<01:18:31.920> albums<01:18:32.480> to<01:18:32.640> try<01:18:32.880> and<01:18:33.120> find

two albums to try and find

two albums to try and find
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something that i could feel

something that i could feel
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fitted me in that i could do

fitted me in that i could do
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some sort of justice to but it's quite

some sort of justice to but it's quite
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difficult that they to me they seem so

difficult that they to me they seem so
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personal to sid but

personal to sid but
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is terrapin one that you particularly

is terrapin one that you particularly
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picked up on the particular

picked up on the particular
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i can't really tell you why i don't know

i can't really tell you why i don't know
i've<01:19:00.960> done<01:19:01.120> it<01:19:01.280> before

i've done it before

i've done it before
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and i did it once

and i did it once
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two or three years ago at some other

two or three years ago at some other
concert<01:19:07.280> i<01:19:07.360> was<01:19:07.600> doing

concert i was doing

concert i was doing
for<01:19:09.199> fun

can i uh i'm wondering whether can we

can i uh i'm wondering whether can we
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ask you if you could play something for

ask you if you could play something for
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us no no i don't think i can manage that

us no no i don't think i can manage that
i<01:19:18.400> must<01:19:18.640> be<01:19:18.800> shy

i must be shy

i must be shy
um

my sort of um

my sort of um
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abiding memories of siddharth from

abiding memories of siddharth from
before

before

before
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the whole his whole pink floyd time and

the whole his whole pink floyd time and
uh

uh

uh
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from some of the sort of great times

from some of the sort of great times
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that we share together and it's it's a

that we share together and it's it's a
shame

shame

shame
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sort of

sort of
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burnt out

burnt out
shell

shell

shell
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that he appears to be to so many people

that he appears to be to so many people
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i i went um in this must have been the

i i went um in this must have been the
summer<01:19:55.679> of<01:19:55.760> about<01:19:55.920> 65.

summer of about 65.

summer of about 65.
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i hitchhiked to the south of france and

i hitchhiked to the south of france and
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sid came down and saw other friends in

sid came down and saw other friends in
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the land rover a week or two later and

the land rover a week or two later and
we<01:20:06.960> lived<01:20:07.199> in<01:20:07.360> a<01:20:07.440> campsite

we lived in a campsite

we lived in a campsite
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near santa pay and we went

near santa pay and we went
out<01:20:11.679> and

out and

out and
jammed

all sorts of stuff busked we went to

all sorts of stuff busked we went to
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because we were all skinned

because we were all skinned
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and busked on in in sandra pay we got

and busked on in in sandra pay we got
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arrested and thrown in a cell for

arrested and thrown in a cell for
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busking without a license which no one

busking without a license which no one
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knew you had to have and

knew you had to have and
and<01:20:33.040> uh

and i didn't but sid fell asleep on a

and i didn't but sid fell asleep on a
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beach one day and he wound up with

beach one day and he wound up with
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he blisters huge great

he blisters huge great
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blisters all over him and uh

blisters all over him and uh
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and then we slowly made our way back up

and then we slowly made our way back up
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through france and

through france and
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went to paris and we

went to paris and we
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had tents and we'd stop in campsites and

had tents and we'd stop in campsites and
stay<01:20:57.679> the<01:20:57.840> night

stay the night

stay the night
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and then we went to paris and

and then we went to paris and
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went around those book shops on the same

went around those book shops on the same
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you know in those green boxes that they

you know in those green boxes that they
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opened up

opened up
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and got all these books that

and got all these books that
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you know the the naked lunch and the

you know the the naked lunch and the
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story of oh and all these things that

story of oh and all these things that
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were illegal in england and

were illegal in england and
and

and

and
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took them back and had reading sessions

took them back and had reading sessions
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did all those sort of things and then

did all those sort of things and then
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and came on the ferry back to england

and came on the ferry back to england
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and we were terrified of the customs

and we were terrified of the customs
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people stopping us and finding these

people stopping us and finding these
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illegal books in our possession and

illegal books in our possession and
stuff<01:21:35.920> like<01:21:36.159> that

stuff like that

stuff like that
and

and

and
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my so those are my abiding memories that

my so those are my abiding memories that
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i've filled with sort of them

i've filled with sort of them
the<01:21:45.280> joy<01:21:45.679> of<01:21:45.760> the

the joy of the

the joy of the
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it sort of increases the um

it sort of increases the um
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a feeling of sadness about his his

a feeling of sadness about his his
subsequent<01:21:59.600> decline

no one can only hope that he's sort of

no one can only hope that he's sort of
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pretty stable and happy which i think he

pretty stable and happy which i think he
is

do you get any sense that he's

do you get any sense that he's
aware<01:22:17.600> of<01:22:17.760> his

aware of his

aware of his
status<01:22:19.520> in<01:22:19.679> a<01:22:19.760> way

musical status

musical status
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it's very very hard to tell

it's very very hard to tell
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i i mean someone i haven't seen for

i i mean someone i haven't seen for
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sort of 25 years

sort of 25 years
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it's very hard to

it's very hard to
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to make a judgment on what he thinks

to make a judgment on what he thinks
about<01:22:42.320> anything

about anything

about anything
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i mean the people that do see him say

i mean the people that do see him say
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he's pretty pretty cool and pretty uh

he's pretty pretty cool and pretty uh
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you know pretty capable he's not mad or

you know pretty capable he's not mad or
thingies

is

is
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very content to to keep well out of the

very content to to keep well out of the
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way and doesn't want to be bothered with

way and doesn't want to be bothered with
any<01:22:58.800> of<01:22:58.880> this<01:22:59.120> stuff

be pretty wise

be pretty wise
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should we cut in that one yeah

should we cut in that one yeah
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well um perhaps i could just ask you

well um perhaps i could just ask you
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many people um

many people um
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imagine that a song you know something

imagine that a song you know something
that's<01:23:19.520> written<01:23:19.760> in<01:23:19.840> 25<01:23:20.239> years<01:23:20.480> ago

that's written in 25 years ago

that's written in 25 years ago
you<01:23:21.920> know<01:23:22.080> this

you know this

you know this
like

like

like
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you'd almost want to walk away from it

you'd almost want to walk away from it
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you know regurgitating an old hit kind

you know regurgitating an old hit kind
of<01:23:28.159> thing

of thing

of thing
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but it's interesting and also roger in

but it's interesting and also roger in
his<01:23:32.320> interview

his interview

his interview
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also said that he still sings it

also said that he still sings it
it's<01:23:37.040> interesting<01:23:37.520> you<01:23:37.760> both

it's interesting you both

it's interesting you both
there's<01:23:39.040> something<01:23:39.360> that<01:23:39.600> you<01:23:39.840> both<01:23:40.159> feel

there's something that you both feel

there's something that you both feel
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still is actually you know a valid kind

still is actually you know a valid kind
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of has a valid kind of emotional

of has a valid kind of emotional
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core to yeah i mean you know it's a wish

core to yeah i mean you know it's a wish
you'll<01:23:49.120> hear<01:23:49.360> is<01:23:49.920> fairly

must be fairly specifically about sid

must be fairly specifically about sid
but<01:23:55.520> it<01:23:55.679> applies<01:23:56.080> to

but it applies to

but it applies to
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so many other things you know it's um

so many other things you know it's um
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i get all these ghastly requests for

i get all these ghastly requests for
people<01:24:02.560> who<01:24:02.719> want<01:24:02.880> to

people who want to

people who want to
use<01:24:03.840> it<01:24:03.920> for<01:24:04.159> funerals<01:24:04.639> and<01:24:04.800> stuff

use it for funerals and stuff

use it for funerals and stuff
and

and

and
i'm<01:24:07.679> supposed<01:24:07.920> to<01:24:08.080> do<01:24:08.239> it<01:24:08.320> myself

i'm supposed to do it myself

i'm supposed to do it myself
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don't put this in please

don't put this in please
douglas<01:24:11.600> adams<01:24:11.840> is<01:24:11.920> a<01:24:12.000> memorial<01:24:12.800> thing

douglas adams is a memorial thing

douglas adams is a memorial thing
a<01:24:14.080> week<01:24:14.320> or<01:24:14.480> two

a week or two

a week or two
and<01:24:16.960> now

and now

and now
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it has an emotional depth that and it's

it has an emotional depth that and it's
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sort of fairly universal i think and and

sort of fairly universal i think and and
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i suppose you could say that we haven't

i suppose you could say that we haven't
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concerts as people like the stones have

concerts as people like the stones have
or<01:24:30.639> someone<01:24:30.960> we've

or someone we've

or someone we've
so<01:24:32.880> my

so my

so my
performances<01:24:34.480> are

performances are

performances are
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of wish you were here

of wish you were here
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still numbering sort of three or four

still numbering sort of three or four
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hundreds i suppose there's another

hundreds i suppose there's another
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thousands that some people might do

thousands that some people might do
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but always it still resonates it still

but always it still resonates it still
has

has

has
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has its meaning it means that to me

has its meaning it means that to me
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every time i sing it

every time i sing it
it's<01:24:50.400> it's<01:24:50.639> a<01:24:50.719> brilliant

it's it's a brilliant

it's it's a brilliant
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which is a very very good

which is a very very good
combination

combination

combination
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of music and words that seems to be

of music and words that seems to be
seems<01:25:00.000> to<01:25:00.159> capture<01:25:00.560> something

does um

does um
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performing something like that does it

performing something like that does it
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actually bring back

actually bring back
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the moment of creating it in a way the

the moment of creating it in a way the
memory<01:25:10.800> of<01:25:10.880> creating<01:25:11.840> hmm

memory of creating hmm

memory of creating hmm
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i remember the moment of creating it

i remember the moment of creating it
quite<01:25:15.280> often

yeah

yeah
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i did have a guitar around it i played

i did have a guitar around it i played
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it all originally somewhere in here

it all originally somewhere in here
oh<01:25:23.679> yeah

got one of those um

got one of those um
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don't have it

don't have it
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around the guitar

around the guitar
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is somewhere in this room

is somewhere in this room
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well the one that did the lead stuff on

well the one that did the lead stuff on
is<01:25:46.480> there

this is still the same one it sounds

this is still the same one it sounds
exactly

exactly

exactly
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doesn't it you can tell that's the

doesn't it you can tell that's the
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second one but i haven't got the

second one but i haven't got the
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under the transfer it should be here

under the transfer it should be here
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do

do
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played that in the um

played that in the um
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in the control room of number three

in the control room of number three
studio<01:26:42.560> at<01:26:42.639> happy<01:26:42.960> road

studio at happy road

studio at happy road
and<01:26:44.719> um

it's just something i've been strumming

it's just something i've been strumming
at<01:26:49.280> home

at home

at home
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and roger immediately said what's that

and roger immediately said what's that
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elsa and we had to sort of

elsa and we had to sort of
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immediately get on with that and work it

immediately get on with that and work it
up<01:26:57.679> and

up and

up and
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so

so
that's<01:27:03.920> just<01:27:04.080> a<01:27:04.159> rise

that's just a rise

that's just a rise
it's

it's

it's
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you know one bit of riff

you know one bit of riff
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from another bit of riff it's you know

from another bit of riff it's you know
there's<01:27:10.400> hundreds<01:27:10.800> of<01:27:10.880> different<01:27:11.120> ways<01:27:11.360> you

there's hundreds of different ways you

there's hundreds of different ways you
can<01:27:11.600> do<01:27:11.760> something

can do something

can do something
almost<01:27:13.280> the<01:27:13.360> same<01:27:13.600> as<01:27:13.760> that<01:27:14.000> but

almost the same as that but

almost the same as that but
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some work and

some work and
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some have a little bit of magic to them

some have a little bit of magic to them
and<01:27:18.480> it's

and it's

and it's
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and some don't and the ones that do have

and some don't and the ones that do have
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that bit of magic to them it's obvious

that bit of magic to them it's obvious
you<01:27:23.040> know<01:27:23.280> to<01:27:23.440> people<01:27:23.679> around

you know to people around

you know to people around
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they even just that piece of music has

they even just that piece of music has
an<01:27:27.679> emotional<01:27:28.159> pull<01:27:28.400> to<01:27:28.560> it

an emotional pull to it

an emotional pull to it
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that's what we're struggling to find all

that's what we're struggling to find all
the<01:27:31.760> time

and then that you described earlier that

and then that you described earlier that
little

some double

some double
what<01:27:40.000> whatever<01:27:40.400> you<01:27:40.639> call<01:27:40.880> it<01:27:41.280> there's<01:27:41.520> a

what whatever you call it there's a

what whatever you call it there's a
little<01:27:41.920> sort<01:27:42.080> of

little sort of

little sort of
cool<01:27:43.600> thing

cool thing

cool thing
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which i always screw up on stage

which i always screw up on stage
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yeah

yeah

yeah
just<01:27:56.400> i<01:27:56.560> don't<01:27:56.719> know<01:27:56.800> where<01:27:56.960> that<01:27:57.199> came<01:27:57.440> from

just i don't know where that came from

just i don't know where that came from
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but again just you you play something

but again just you you play something
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and you play it again and you start

and you play it again and you start
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having a call to it doesn't it

having a call to it doesn't it
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yeah<01:28:14.800> and<01:28:14.960> then<01:28:15.199> the

yeah and then the

yeah and then the
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the other very distinctive thing is this

the other very distinctive thing is this
kind<01:28:18.239> of

kind of

kind of
higher

that's that's when you're here that's

that's that's when you're here that's
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the work you do on it hasn't it

the work you do on it hasn't it
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with

with
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so shine on your crazy diamond and wish

so shine on your crazy diamond and wish
you<01:28:53.840> were<01:28:53.920> here<01:28:54.159> because

you were here because

you were here because
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there's um very much

there's um very much
a<01:28:59.280> kind<01:28:59.520> of

a kind of

a kind of
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sense of it's almost like the music is

sense of it's almost like the music is
actually

actually

actually
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well the words are so important but the

well the words are so important but the
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words coming in so late

words coming in so late
you're<01:29:06.960> completely<01:29:07.440> hooked<01:29:07.840> on<01:29:08.400> this

you're completely hooked on this

you're completely hooked on this
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development of the music and the sound

development of the music and the sound
the<01:29:11.440> feel<01:29:11.760> of<01:29:11.920> it

the feel of it

the feel of it
and<01:29:13.199> that<01:29:13.440> seems

and that seems

and that seems
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to be very much your contribution there

to be very much your contribution there
that<01:29:16.480> you<01:29:16.880> were<01:29:17.040> saying

that you were saying

that you were saying
well<01:29:18.400> that<01:29:18.560> was

i can't remember exactly how it all

i can't remember exactly how it all
worked<01:29:22.960> out<01:29:23.199> but<01:29:23.440> um<01:29:24.159> that

worked out but um that

worked out but um that
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it was something i was pushing for

it was something i was pushing for
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myself and i can remember at the time

myself and i can remember at the time
that<01:29:30.800> we<01:29:30.960> would

that we would

that we would
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hope that i wanted to try and make

hope that i wanted to try and make
what<01:29:36.400> had<01:29:36.560> been<01:29:37.120> our<01:29:37.440> strength

what had been our strength

what had been our strength
in<01:29:39.199> during

in during

in during
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a lot of the early part of our career

a lot of the early part of our career
which<01:29:42.719> hadn't<01:29:43.040> really<01:29:43.360> been

which hadn't really been

which hadn't really been
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i mean post-sid and before roger got

i mean post-sid and before roger got
into<01:29:46.800> his<01:29:46.960> stride<01:29:47.280> as<01:29:47.440> a<01:29:47.600> lyricist

into his stride as a lyricist

into his stride as a lyricist
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i don't think that um all of our lyrics

i don't think that um all of our lyrics
were

were

were
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the thing that made it really happen

the thing that made it really happen
it<01:29:56.480> was<01:29:56.639> the<01:29:56.800> music<01:29:57.600> and<01:29:57.920> uh

it was the music and uh

it was the music and uh
um<01:29:59.360> our<01:29:59.600> concerts<01:30:00.159> throughout

um our concerts throughout

um our concerts throughout
you<01:30:01.679> know<01:30:02.000> 69<01:30:02.719> 70<01:30:03.679> 71

you know 69 70 71

you know 69 70 71
were<01:30:05.600> based

were based

were based
on

on

on
the<01:30:07.920> music<01:30:08.320> that<01:30:08.560> we<01:30:08.719> did<01:30:09.199> and

the music that we did and

the music that we did and
there<01:30:10.880> was<01:30:11.120> a<01:30:11.199> danger

there was a danger

there was a danger
of<01:30:13.840> losing

of losing

of losing
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that or getting away from that a little

that or getting away from that a little
bit<01:30:17.360> and

bit and

bit and
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that was the bit that i wanted to try

that was the bit that i wanted to try
and

and

and
pull<01:30:21.520> back

pull back

pull back
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into it and have longer

into it and have longer
musical<01:30:25.520> passages

musical passages

musical passages
that<01:30:27.280> uh

emphasized the rest of uh what was

emphasized the rest of uh what was
subsequently<01:30:32.639> going<01:30:32.800> to<01:30:32.880> go<01:30:33.120> on

so it's very um daring as well in a way

so it's very um daring as well in a way
isn't<01:30:39.520> it<01:30:39.840> the

isn't it the

isn't it the
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is there a continuous sort of

is there a continuous sort of
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line running through it well there's

line running through it well there's
continuous<01:30:45.600> sort<01:30:45.840> of<01:30:46.000> chords<01:30:46.400> underneath<01:30:46.880> we

continuous sort of chords underneath we

continuous sort of chords underneath we
wouldn't<01:30:47.360> we'd<01:30:47.600> been<01:30:47.760> working<01:30:48.080> on<01:30:48.320> um

wouldn't we'd been working on um

wouldn't we'd been working on um
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this mad idea called the household

this mad idea called the household
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objects album at that time and we had

objects album at that time and we had
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made an a sort of

made an a sort of
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a wineglass organ if you like where we'd

a wineglass organ if you like where we'd
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got a 16 track or a 24 track tape

got a 16 track or a 24 track tape
machine

machine

machine
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and we'd got

and we'd got
wine<01:31:05.760> glasses

wine glasses

wine glasses
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and tuned them up with differing amounts

and tuned them up with differing amounts
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of water in them and

of water in them and
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done the old

done the old
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wet finger around the top of the wine

wet finger around the top of the wine
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glass and put each

glass and put each
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note each semitone on a different track

note each semitone on a different track
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of a 16 or 24 track

of a 16 or 24 track
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machine um and then you could play

machine um and then you could play
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chords by lifting the faders on the on

chords by lifting the faders on the on
the<01:31:27.920> desk

the desk

the desk
and

and

and
that

that

that
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was one of the things one of the

was one of the things one of the
elements

elements

elements
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that we were trying to put together

that we were trying to put together
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in this household objects thing where

in this household objects thing where
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nothing there were no to be no real

nothing there were no to be no real
instruments

instruments

instruments
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and the base was going to be a rubber

and the base was going to be a rubber
band<01:31:45.199> stretched<01:31:45.600> between<01:31:45.920> a<01:31:46.000> matchbox<01:31:46.560> and

band stretched between a matchbox and

band stretched between a matchbox and
something<01:31:46.960> else<01:31:47.120> would<01:31:47.199> get<01:31:47.360> boom

something else would get boom

something else would get boom
and<01:31:48.719> then

and then

and then
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all that sort of stuff anyway that

all that sort of stuff anyway that
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that which wouldn't be too difficult to

that which wouldn't be too difficult to
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do these days with the with the

do these days with the with the
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technology we now have available was

technology we now have available was
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seemed like a life sentence at the time

seemed like a life sentence at the time
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with the difficulty of doing it

with the difficulty of doing it
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but that was one of the residues that

but that was one of the residues that
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was left over from that was this this

was left over from that was this this
glass<01:32:08.880> organ

glass organ

glass organ
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thing on on a tape and we used that for

thing on on a tape and we used that for
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the basis of the opening sequences of of

the basis of the opening sequences of of
of<01:32:17.440> wish<01:32:17.679> your<01:32:17.840> hair

of wish your hair

of wish your hair
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it's just a sort of fading in sound of

it's just a sort of fading in sound of
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that it's got it's got an organ on it as

that it's got it's got an organ on it as
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well i think but the basis of the sound

well i think but the basis of the sound
is<01:32:26.159> these<01:32:26.400> wine<01:32:26.639> glasses

which you sustain

which you sustain
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well you as long as you leave the faders

well you as long as you leave the faders
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up they stay i don't know how long

up they stay i don't know how long
we<01:32:35.520> recorded

we recorded

we recorded
each<01:32:38.159> each<01:32:38.840> note<01:32:40.000> but<01:32:40.320> uh

each each note but uh

each each note but uh
quite<01:32:41.199> a<01:32:41.440> quite<01:32:41.679> a<01:32:41.760> while

and you said

and you said
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that it's the one album where you feel

that it's the one album where you feel
the<01:32:51.040> balance<01:32:51.520> is<01:32:51.679> right

the balance is right

the balance is right
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i think in some ways it's the most

i think in some ways it's the most
successful<01:32:55.520> thing<01:32:55.679> we<01:32:55.840> did<01:32:56.080> yes

does it get

does it get
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i was gonna say does it get more

i was gonna say does it get more
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difficult as you get older i mean

difficult as you get older i mean
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i think you have to have breaks and you

i think you have to have breaks and you
have<01:33:17.920> to<01:33:18.000> have<01:33:18.239> um

have to have um

have to have um
that<01:33:19.280> the<01:33:19.440> old<01:33:19.679> cliche

that the old cliche

that the old cliche
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recharging the batteries is very apt and

recharging the batteries is very apt and
if<01:33:24.719> you<01:33:25.199> are

if you are

if you are
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a workaholic person this may be just

a workaholic person this may be just
self-justification<01:33:29.920> you<01:33:30.080> understand<01:33:30.560> that

self-justification you understand that

self-justification you understand that
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some of the people who seem to work

some of the people who seem to work
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and work and work and work get very very

and work and work and work get very very
proficient<01:33:37.440> but<01:33:37.679> less<01:33:37.920> and<01:33:38.000> less<01:33:38.239> inspired

proficient but less and less inspired

proficient but less and less inspired
and

and

and
you<01:33:41.600> have<01:33:41.760> to<01:33:41.840> try<01:33:42.080> and

you have to try and

you have to try and
stop<01:33:44.080> for<01:33:44.239> periods<01:33:44.560> of<01:33:44.719> time<01:33:44.960> and

stop for periods of time and

stop for periods of time and
and<01:33:46.080> let<01:33:46.320> inspiration<01:33:46.960> come<01:33:47.199> through<01:33:47.440> you

and let inspiration come through you

and let inspiration come through you
i<01:33:49.199> really<01:33:49.520> believe<01:33:49.920> that<01:33:50.239> uh

i really believe that uh

i really believe that uh
fallow<01:33:51.840> periods

fallow periods

fallow periods
are<01:33:53.199> good<01:33:53.360> for<01:33:53.520> one

could you just show us again that little

could you just show us again that little
that<01:33:58.719> distinctive<01:33:59.360> accidental<01:33:59.920> moment

that distinctive accidental moment

that distinctive accidental moment
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i don't know where he came from

i don't know where he came from
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as i said i might have been just playing

as i said i might have been just playing
an<01:34:09.440> a<01:34:09.600> minor<01:34:09.920> chord

boring old

boring old
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[Music]

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and<01:34:15.120> just<01:34:15.600> move<01:34:15.840> my<01:34:16.000> fingers<01:34:16.320> to<01:34:16.400> the<01:34:16.480> wrong

and just move my fingers to the wrong

and just move my fingers to the wrong
position<01:34:17.040> it<01:34:17.120> could<01:34:17.280> just<01:34:17.520> be<01:34:17.679> an<01:34:17.840> accident

position it could just be an accident

position it could just be an accident
but

it did seem to sort of have a sort of

it did seem to sort of have a sort of
haunting

haunting

haunting
calling

calling

calling
sound<01:34:28.800> to

sound to

sound to
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[Music]

[Music]
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and i can remember plonking it and

and i can remember plonking it and
thinking<01:34:35.600> and<01:34:35.679> then<01:34:35.840> playing<01:34:36.080> it<01:34:36.239> again<01:34:36.400> and

thinking and then playing it again and

thinking and then playing it again and
then<01:34:36.719> playing<01:34:36.880> it<01:34:37.040> again<01:34:37.360> and<01:34:38.000> repeating<01:34:38.480> it

then playing it again and repeating it

then playing it again and repeating it
over<01:34:39.280> and<01:34:39.520> over

over and over

over and over
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and while it sort of called out

and while it sort of called out
hauntingly<01:34:43.440> to<01:34:43.600> me<01:34:43.840> and

hauntingly to me and

hauntingly to me and
everyone<01:34:45.119> else

that um we're just talking about that

that um we're just talking about that
that's<01:35:05.760> sort<01:35:05.920> of

that's sort of

that's sort of
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the mystery of creation

the mystery of creation
um

um

um
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you were just saying that the

you were just saying that the
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the root is almost it's like your

the root is almost it's like your
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fingers are doing something that your

fingers are doing something that your
brain

brain

brain
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hasn't caught up with in a way

hasn't caught up with in a way
yeah

yeah

yeah
well<01:35:21.280> you<01:35:21.440> have<01:35:21.520> to

well you have to

well you have to
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yeah you get a certain facility with it

yeah you get a certain facility with it
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and uh the fingers move far too easily

and uh the fingers move far too easily
to<01:35:27.760> certain

to certain

to certain
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it becomes like doodling

it becomes like doodling
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sort of meaningless plonking away and

sort of meaningless plonking away and
it's<01:35:33.280> it's<01:35:33.520> good<01:35:33.840> to

put yourself in unfamiliar territory by

put yourself in unfamiliar territory by
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playing an instrument that's tuned

playing an instrument that's tuned
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differently or an instrument that you

differently or an instrument that you
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can't play sometimes

can't play sometimes
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and you often find little moments of

and you often find little moments of
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inspiration that way but

inspiration that way but
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i mean you were already a very

i mean you were already a very
prolific<01:35:51.840> and

prolific and

prolific and
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very able guitar player before you

very able guitar player before you
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joined pink floyd reasonably

joined pink floyd reasonably
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my report

my report
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how did how do you rate um

how did how do you rate um
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i think i had a greater facility on the

i think i had a greater facility on the
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guitar but sid was more inventive

guitar but sid was more inventive
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he had his own very distinctive

he had his own very distinctive
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particular style

particular style
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when you when you um

when you when you um
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imitating

imitating
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and start liking your own

and start liking your own
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sound that's when you sort of start

sound that's when you sort of start
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getting somewhere i find i mean i spent

getting somewhere i find i mean i spent
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a lot of time

a lot of time
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trying to be

trying to be
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pete seeger led belly all sorts of other

pete seeger led belly all sorts of other
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people on the guitar and

people on the guitar and
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there was a moment i actually liked

there was a moment i actually liked
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something that i played myself and

something that i played myself and
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started realizing that

started realizing that
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what i saw as my deficiencies actually

what i saw as my deficiencies actually
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could be turned into my qualities and

could be turned into my qualities and
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sid certainly turned his deficiencies

sid certainly turned his deficiencies
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into qualities and

into qualities and
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much earlier than i did became

much earlier than i did became
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a very original

a very original
innovative<01:37:05.920> sort<01:37:06.159> of

innovative sort of

innovative sort of
player

player

player
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can you

can you
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when you say inventive and what was the

when you say inventive and what was the
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can you give us a sense of that i can't

can you give us a sense of that i can't
really<01:37:16.080> it's

really it's

really it's
it's

it's

it's
because

because

because
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he'd have to do it for you

he'd have to do it for you
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i had to do a few of them at the

i had to do a few of them at the
beginning

beginning

beginning
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there there are moments that take your

there there are moments that take your
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breath away almost on the sailor stuff

breath away almost on the sailor stuff
actually

actually

actually
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yeah um

yeah um
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thinking of

thinking of
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is it

is it
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baby lemonade whether it's a long

baby lemonade whether it's a long
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sort of just a solo guitar picking away

sort of just a solo guitar picking away
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piece yeah before the song starts proper

piece yeah before the song starts proper
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i can't remember how it starts

i can't remember how it starts
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it is

it is
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impressive yeah especially

impressive yeah especially
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he was he was very good i mean he just

he was he was very good i mean he just
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stuck on the old telecaster and plonked

stuck on the old telecaster and plonked
away<01:37:58.639> and<01:37:58.719> it<01:37:58.880> was<01:37:59.119> always<01:37:59.520> interesting

anything else you can tell us about your

anything else you can tell us about your
guitars<01:38:04.960> there<01:38:05.040> and<01:38:05.119> we're<01:38:05.280> just<01:38:05.520> uh

guitars there and we're just uh

guitars there and we're just uh
looking<01:38:07.840> around

looking around

looking around
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did you see this one

did you see this one
look<01:38:11.119> as<01:38:11.360> i<01:38:11.520> said

look as i said

look as i said
just

just

just
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leave stuff on once you're here with

leave stuff on once you're here with
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someone this is my this is my very first

someone this is my this is my very first
guitar

guitar

guitar
old<01:38:19.679> spanish<01:38:20.159> thing

old spanish thing

old spanish thing
which<01:38:21.600> i<01:38:21.760> had

which i had

which i had
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when i was about 14 or something

when i was about 14 or something
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[Music]
sounds<01:38:41.199> quite<01:38:41.360> nice<01:38:41.600> really

sounds quite nice really

sounds quite nice really
what<01:38:42.719> about

i've never used it on a record yet

i've never used it on a record yet
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because i gave it to my sister actually

because i gave it to my sister actually
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for years and years and then got it back

for years and years and then got it back
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other than that

other than that
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do they um

do they um
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have a particular memory for any of

have a particular memory for any of
these<01:39:03.360> or

this is

this is
the<01:39:17.360> one<01:39:17.679> that<01:39:17.840> which<01:39:18.159> um

the one that which um

the one that which um
this<01:39:19.199> is<01:39:19.280> the<01:39:19.360> one

this is the one

this is the one
which<01:39:20.560> they<01:39:20.800> wrote

which they wrote

which they wrote
the<01:39:21.679> music<01:39:22.000> for<01:39:22.159> comfortably

it's not special it's just an old

it's not special it's just an old
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ovation acoustic with

ovation acoustic with
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a different string set up

a different string set up
it's<01:39:47.440> the<01:39:47.600> same<01:39:47.920> one

it's the same one

it's the same one
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since<01:39:50.639> the<01:39:51.040> middle<01:39:51.360> 70s

awful guitars

awful guitars
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but because it's the one that um i wrote

but because it's the one that um i wrote
that<01:39:59.600> particular

that particular

that particular
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tune on

tune on
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it's remained tuned the same way and

it's remained tuned the same way and
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strung the same way ever since that's i

strung the same way ever since that's i
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mean one of the last

mean one of the last
pieces<01:40:10.080> of<01:40:10.320> um

pieces of um

pieces of um
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sort of of

sort of of
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truly good collaboration that we managed

truly good collaboration that we managed
i<01:40:16.080> think

just um ask you maybe

just um ask you maybe
just<01:40:21.760> because<01:40:22.000> it's<01:40:22.159> occurred<01:40:22.400> to<01:40:22.480> me

just because it's occurred to me

just because it's occurred to me
in

in

in
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summing up the

summing up the
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the legacy of seed in relation to

the legacy of seed in relation to
the<01:40:29.679> floyd

the floyd

the floyd
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i mean would you would you say that

i mean would you would you say that
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the sound had left him behind were there

the sound had left him behind were there
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still are there still elements in

still are there still elements in
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in the floyd that

in the floyd that
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have got

have got
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you know been influenced by seed

you know been influenced by seed
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i don't i mean i think

i don't i mean i think
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you know his

you know his
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sound and style was left behind very

sound and style was left behind very
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quickly i mean we have lingered

quickly i mean we have lingered
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