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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:42,909 --> 00:00:46,146 I had no intention of being in the field of addiction. 4 00:00:46,179 --> 00:00:49,549 I was in the field of experimental psychology. 5 00:00:52,852 --> 00:00:55,989 In 1970, I was the youngest member of the 6 00:00:56,022 --> 00:00:59,492 Faculty of Psychology at Simon Fraser University. 7 00:00:59,526 --> 00:01:01,594 And the youngest guy gets to teach the course that 8 00:01:01,628 --> 00:01:03,430 nobody else wants to teach, 9 00:01:03,463 --> 00:01:07,600 and that course was called Social Issues. 10 00:01:07,634 --> 00:01:11,504 Vancouver was in the midst of an addiction crisis and 11 00:01:11,538 --> 00:01:14,307 that meant I had to teach about addiction. 12 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:16,943 I mean, I knew nothing about addiction. 13 00:01:16,976 --> 00:01:19,779 Well, my life changed one day when 14 00:01:19,813 --> 00:01:23,616 a student in the back of the class raised his hand... 15 00:01:23,650 --> 00:01:28,955 And said, "Haven't you heard about the rats?" 16 00:01:28,988 --> 00:01:33,326 We based a whole science on isolated rats, 17 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:36,663 a prison cell of isolation cages. 18 00:01:36,696 --> 00:01:40,800 They looked lethargic. They're not doing anything. 19 00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:43,369 They're given spouts on the wall where they can 20 00:01:43,403 --> 00:01:46,873 drink a presentation of fluids: water 21 00:01:46,906 --> 00:01:49,309 or, morphine. 22 00:01:49,342 --> 00:01:51,678 They consume a lot of morphine, 23 00:01:51,711 --> 00:01:54,514 so much that they die. They actually starve to death. 24 00:01:59,252 --> 00:02:02,622 So, Rat Park was an experiment. 25 00:02:02,655 --> 00:02:05,158 Maybe if we give the same number of rats a place to 26 00:02:05,191 --> 00:02:07,760 live in that's comfortable, maybe they wouldn't 27 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:11,264 take as much of the dope. 28 00:02:11,297 --> 00:02:13,766 We built a big... 29 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,103 place, with plywood walls. 30 00:02:23,209 --> 00:02:27,647 Which was basically designed as a heaven for rats to live in, 31 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,516 and we called it Rat Park. 32 00:02:38,491 --> 00:02:39,959 And what they've got there is lots of 33 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:41,995 other rats to scamper around with and 34 00:02:42,028 --> 00:02:45,298 they got lots of opportunity for social activities, 35 00:02:45,331 --> 00:02:47,367 and the walls are painted so that we have 36 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,836 a beautiful British Columbia forest, 37 00:02:49,869 --> 00:02:51,471 which we all love. 38 00:03:01,281 --> 00:03:03,416 And then, we gave them the choice: 39 00:03:03,449 --> 00:03:04,417 they could have water or 40 00:03:04,450 --> 00:03:06,586 they could continue to drink the morphine. 41 00:03:06,619 --> 00:03:08,655 We got these results consistently, 42 00:03:08,688 --> 00:03:12,458 that the rats in Rat Park didn't like the morphine. 43 00:03:12,492 --> 00:03:15,328 The finding is absolutely clear 44 00:03:15,361 --> 00:03:17,964 that the rats in isolation 45 00:03:17,997 --> 00:03:22,835 drink a lot more morphine than the rats in Rat Park. 46 00:03:42,155 --> 00:03:44,958 I don't think we can understand drug addiction 47 00:03:44,991 --> 00:03:46,793 by starting with drugs. 48 00:03:46,826 --> 00:03:50,029 I mean, drugs, of course, are essential to drug addiction, 49 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:52,865 but the larger picture has to... 50 00:03:52,899 --> 00:03:54,667 has to matter. 51 00:03:54,701 --> 00:03:57,036 You know, when people have a drug problem, 52 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:59,038 the easiest thing is to blame the drug; 53 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:00,573 that must be the reason. 54 00:04:00,607 --> 00:04:02,575 If they weren't using that drug, you know, 55 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:04,277 their lives would be all together. 56 00:04:04,310 --> 00:04:06,412 And it's very hard for people to kind of 57 00:04:06,446 --> 00:04:07,914 go to that deeper level. 58 00:04:07,947 --> 00:04:10,483 Sometimes, focusing on the bigger social problems - 59 00:04:10,516 --> 00:04:12,752 unemployment, lack of opportunity, 60 00:04:12,785 --> 00:04:16,456 poor education - well, those are big problems. 61 00:04:16,489 --> 00:04:18,157 When you take the metaphor that, 62 00:04:18,191 --> 00:04:21,761 that sort of emerges from the Rat Park research and say, 63 00:04:21,794 --> 00:04:24,430 well, now, how might that be true among human beings 64 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:27,433 'cause rats are rats and people are people? 65 00:04:27,467 --> 00:04:29,636 Rat Park shows us that we simply can't 66 00:04:29,669 --> 00:04:33,940 understand addiction without understanding 67 00:04:33,973 --> 00:04:36,643 the environment that a person is in. 68 00:04:39,312 --> 00:04:41,814 Even as we see progress on harm reduction and 69 00:04:41,848 --> 00:04:45,118 drug policy reform, the majority of nations, 70 00:04:45,151 --> 00:04:47,820 in Asia, and sprinkled around the rest of the world, 71 00:04:47,854 --> 00:04:50,290 they're still in the dark ages. 72 00:05:00,433 --> 00:05:04,737 Philippines is a contrast for me. 73 00:05:04,771 --> 00:05:07,240 It's a contrast between a rich, 74 00:05:07,273 --> 00:05:10,243 beautiful country with resilient people, 75 00:05:10,276 --> 00:05:13,980 but at the same time, a country so poor that 76 00:05:14,013 --> 00:05:21,087 the people are left with no sense of governance. 77 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,489 But the Filipino people have shown that there are 78 00:05:23,523 --> 00:05:27,660 limits to the Filipino people's patience. 79 00:05:41,974 --> 00:05:46,012 I first heard about crystal meth in the late 90s. 80 00:05:46,045 --> 00:05:50,116 It was called the poor man's cocaine. 81 00:05:50,149 --> 00:05:53,686 This is one of the poorest communities here in the country. 82 00:05:56,889 --> 00:06:00,393 This area was designed by former Imelda Marcos 83 00:06:00,426 --> 00:06:03,763 as a resettlement area, so people from the provinces 84 00:06:03,796 --> 00:06:06,399 come here and the port is nearby, 85 00:06:06,432 --> 00:06:07,600 so when they get here, 86 00:06:07,633 --> 00:06:10,737 they don't have a place to go to and... 87 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:14,407 This is so most-- where most of them stay. 88 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,411 The drug situation here in the country is endemic and 89 00:06:18,444 --> 00:06:20,079 mostly in the poor communities, 90 00:06:20,113 --> 00:06:24,417 especially with meth because they are the target market. 91 00:06:36,129 --> 00:06:39,265 Who are these people? Why are they using? 92 00:06:39,298 --> 00:06:42,802 They are under educated and many of them were 93 00:06:42,835 --> 00:06:46,172 doing it not just for recreation purposes, 94 00:06:46,205 --> 00:06:49,275 some were doing it for productivity purposes 95 00:06:49,308 --> 00:06:53,112 because it would allow them to wash clothes; 96 00:06:53,146 --> 00:06:55,782 it would allow them to take double jobs; 97 00:06:55,815 --> 00:07:01,053 it would allow them to stay awake. 98 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:03,623 Right now, you wouldn't want to be in the Philippines 99 00:07:03,656 --> 00:07:05,458 if you're a drug user 100 00:07:05,491 --> 00:07:07,627 because it's not about treatment here, 101 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:10,062 it's really about punishment. 102 00:07:11,764 --> 00:07:14,567 So we are a country in search of itself. 103 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,737 It's a work in progress. 104 00:07:17,770 --> 00:07:20,406 So when Duterte came into power in June 2016, 105 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,074 he declared the war against drugs. 106 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:27,613 Nobody actually knew what that meant... 107 00:07:27,647 --> 00:07:29,315 until the killings began. 108 00:07:44,864 --> 00:07:50,269 Drugs and corruption, maybe, and crime... 109 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:52,939 have so devastated the country that 110 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:57,109 a populist leader who promises 111 00:07:57,143 --> 00:08:00,379 to eliminate drugs in six months, 112 00:08:00,413 --> 00:08:03,049 is the hope of the country. 113 00:08:03,082 --> 00:08:05,918 He rode on the people's discontent. 114 00:08:05,952 --> 00:08:08,087 And from mayor, somebody broached 115 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,790 the idea of running for president. 116 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:13,893 Unfortunate because he never learned that there are 117 00:08:13,926 --> 00:08:16,929 things that you do in a certain city that 118 00:08:16,963 --> 00:08:20,900 you cannot do for the entire country. 119 00:08:20,933 --> 00:08:24,103 The drug war that we are experiencing right now, 120 00:08:24,136 --> 00:08:27,240 I think that's a perfect example of 121 00:08:27,273 --> 00:08:29,942 a country that is still maturing. 122 00:08:29,976 --> 00:08:33,079 The people are just fed up with traditional politicians, 123 00:08:33,112 --> 00:08:35,915 all promises of big politicians, nothing happens. 124 00:08:35,948 --> 00:08:39,452 Here comes a guy who promised change and 125 00:08:39,485 --> 00:08:42,188 his way of solving change is different from the others. 126 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:52,965 There's a lot of... 127 00:08:52,999 --> 00:08:56,602 "Anyone who uses drugs is an addict." 128 00:08:56,636 --> 00:08:58,671 "All addicts are criminal." 129 00:08:58,704 --> 00:09:03,442 He's the first politician to offer in a presidential election 130 00:09:03,476 --> 00:09:05,578 that, "I will kill drug addicts." 131 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:26,132 It shocked us. 132 00:09:26,165 --> 00:09:29,735 And then we realized it's war against people. 133 00:09:29,769 --> 00:09:32,738 And that's when we began scrambling. 134 00:11:51,243 --> 00:11:54,280 Florida has always been, like, con central. 135 00:11:54,313 --> 00:11:57,283 Like, if you want to fucking start a con-ass business, 136 00:11:57,316 --> 00:11:59,719 you go to Florida. Like, insurance fraud, 137 00:11:59,752 --> 00:12:01,987 you want to do Medicaid fraud, 138 00:12:02,021 --> 00:12:05,691 or phone room scams, time share scams, 139 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:07,560 you come to Florida, right. 140 00:12:07,593 --> 00:12:09,662 It's just always been that way. 141 00:12:09,695 --> 00:12:13,666 And, the nature of people, the nature of capitalism, 142 00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:15,167 and the nature of... 143 00:12:15,201 --> 00:12:18,170 I think that, this hustler spirit that, 144 00:12:18,204 --> 00:12:21,173 that a lot of folks have in America, 145 00:12:21,207 --> 00:12:23,843 is that if there's a way for me to fucking make 146 00:12:23,876 --> 00:12:25,845 a lot of money I'm gonna do it. 147 00:12:25,878 --> 00:12:28,681 And, that's what happened. 148 00:12:28,714 --> 00:12:30,683 It, it's just like, it's a culmination of, 149 00:12:30,716 --> 00:12:32,351 I think, a lot of, of things, 150 00:12:32,384 --> 00:12:33,919 and I think Florida, at that time, 151 00:12:33,953 --> 00:12:36,388 was just a perfect storm. 152 00:12:44,396 --> 00:12:47,032 What you had in Florida was this loose regulation, 153 00:12:47,066 --> 00:12:50,703 anybody could open a clinic and treat pain. 154 00:12:50,736 --> 00:12:52,404 Anybody. 155 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:55,374 What you had were these unregulated pain clinics 156 00:12:55,407 --> 00:12:57,376 opening up nearly everywhere. 157 00:12:57,409 --> 00:13:00,379 You, essentially, would go in and 158 00:13:00,412 --> 00:13:02,882 you would pay somebody cash to get an MRI. 159 00:13:02,915 --> 00:13:05,017 They would do an MRI, and as long as you went in with the 160 00:13:05,050 --> 00:13:08,154 MRI to the pain clinic, the doctors there 161 00:13:08,187 --> 00:13:11,524 would prescribe you, um... 162 00:13:11,557 --> 00:13:13,058 pretty much whatever you wanted. 163 00:13:13,092 --> 00:13:15,995 Back in 2010 and 2011, we had more pain clinics 164 00:13:16,028 --> 00:13:19,398 in Florida than McDonald's and Walmart's, combined. 165 00:13:19,431 --> 00:13:22,334 And then, all you needed for the perfect storm was to have 166 00:13:22,368 --> 00:13:24,170 a ready supply of retired doctors, 167 00:13:24,203 --> 00:13:27,673 looking to write scripts to make some extra money. 168 00:13:27,706 --> 00:13:31,844 What state had more retired doctors than Florida? 169 00:13:31,877 --> 00:13:34,513 While other states developed tougher laws to 170 00:13:34,547 --> 00:13:38,851 restrict these pills, Florida, it was open season. 171 00:13:38,884 --> 00:13:40,719 We didn't really have any laws. 172 00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:43,022 It was really bad, like, you could, 173 00:13:43,055 --> 00:13:48,360 you could drive down certain streets and just see, 174 00:13:48,394 --> 00:13:51,363 like, lines out the door, armed guards. 175 00:13:51,397 --> 00:13:53,265 They could walk out with prescriptions, 176 00:13:53,299 --> 00:13:57,269 not for hundreds of pills, but thousands of pills. 177 00:13:57,303 --> 00:13:59,538 Manufacturers got big profits and 178 00:13:59,572 --> 00:14:01,006 distributors got big profits; 179 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,474 the doctors were making big money; 180 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:04,310 the users were getting their high. 181 00:14:04,343 --> 00:14:07,479 Until it all came crashing down. 182 00:14:09,348 --> 00:14:10,683 We tightened the supply. 183 00:14:10,716 --> 00:14:13,819 We made it much harder to get oxycodone and other pills. 184 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,187 But what happened to the demand; 185 00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:17,489 the demand didn't go away. 186 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:18,891 The demand moved to a cheaper, 187 00:14:18,924 --> 00:14:22,328 more accessible alternative: heroin. 188 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:25,331 And today's heroin is not your father's heroin anymore. 189 00:14:25,364 --> 00:14:27,499 This is heroin, too often spiked with 190 00:14:27,533 --> 00:14:30,169 cheap, potent Chinese Fentanyl. 191 00:14:30,202 --> 00:14:34,173 The fact that the people in government and 192 00:14:34,206 --> 00:14:36,842 law enforcement who shut down these pill mills 193 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:40,246 didn't have the foresight to see the addiction crisis 194 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:42,514 was gonna go to the street, that addicts were gonna 195 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:47,186 go to the street now; that's the problem. 196 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:49,355 Why does this continue? 197 00:14:49,388 --> 00:14:50,856 You know, we had methamphetamine 198 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:53,525 immediately before this, crack before that. 199 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,262 We need to keep this going in order to justify the 200 00:14:56,295 --> 00:14:59,064 existence of this drug war machine. 201 00:14:59,098 --> 00:15:00,866 And so, after the opioid's over, 202 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,368 there'll be something else. 203 00:15:02,401 --> 00:15:04,303 You can't solve this problem by a bunch of suits 204 00:15:04,336 --> 00:15:05,704 in an ivory tower. 205 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,139 You need to get on the ground floor, 206 00:15:07,172 --> 00:15:08,340 you need to get on the streets, 207 00:15:08,374 --> 00:15:11,043 you need to talk to people who know what's really going on. 208 00:15:20,686 --> 00:15:23,222 Hey... hey! 209 00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:27,059 Go get it. 210 00:15:27,092 --> 00:15:28,894 Get! 211 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,563 Worst fucking fetch player on earth. 212 00:15:31,597 --> 00:15:33,999 He's got heart cancer now. 213 00:15:34,033 --> 00:15:36,068 Him going through it was legit, like, 214 00:15:36,101 --> 00:15:37,836 one of the hardest things I ever had to deal with 215 00:15:37,870 --> 00:15:40,239 in my fucking life. I deal with, like, 216 00:15:40,272 --> 00:15:41,674 overdoses and I deal with, like, 217 00:15:41,707 --> 00:15:44,043 hearing about people in our community dying and... 218 00:15:44,076 --> 00:15:47,379 It's not very personal a lot of times just because it, 219 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:49,214 it's hard to... 220 00:15:49,248 --> 00:15:51,517 internalize that kind of stuff when it's, like, a, 221 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:54,053 a normalized part of your job, um... 222 00:15:55,721 --> 00:15:57,056 So you almost have to, like, 223 00:15:57,089 --> 00:15:59,692 keep it kind of compartmentalized. 224 00:16:14,673 --> 00:16:17,142 You know, I, I had my own history with drug use and, 225 00:16:17,176 --> 00:16:18,844 and mental health, and... 226 00:16:18,877 --> 00:16:21,513 When I was homeless, I, I went to The Lord's Place 227 00:16:21,547 --> 00:16:23,816 to get food vouchers. 228 00:16:23,849 --> 00:16:26,719 I went there to get clothes to interview because 229 00:16:26,752 --> 00:16:28,053 I didn't have any. 230 00:16:28,087 --> 00:16:31,991 And what I found is that there was always this stigma 231 00:16:32,024 --> 00:16:34,526 and this belief held over me that, like, 232 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,397 I had to prove how much I wanted help. 233 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:39,698 Yeah, we get you're homeless, 234 00:16:39,732 --> 00:16:41,400 we get that, fucking, you don't have any access 235 00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:44,036 to healthcare or anything else, but really, 236 00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:46,338 we need to talk about you smoking crack. 237 00:16:46,372 --> 00:16:48,040 You know what; fuck you. 238 00:16:48,073 --> 00:16:51,010 I don't think people quite understand the shame and, 239 00:16:51,043 --> 00:16:54,013 and the guilt and all of that stuff that folks have to 240 00:16:54,046 --> 00:16:58,851 fucking go through just to be able to show up to say, 241 00:16:58,884 --> 00:17:01,954 "Hey, I need help with that," right? 242 00:17:01,987 --> 00:17:07,860 And I think it's much easier for me to help drug users 243 00:17:07,893 --> 00:17:11,363 when the very act of existing is not illegal, 244 00:17:11,397 --> 00:17:13,298 and that's essentially what drug laws are. 245 00:17:13,332 --> 00:17:15,467 They make the very act of existing, 246 00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:17,836 for a drug user, their day-to-day life, 247 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:19,171 is illegal. 248 00:17:19,204 --> 00:17:23,208 They criminalize the person and that's a, 249 00:17:23,242 --> 00:17:25,811 that's really fucked up concept. 250 00:17:25,844 --> 00:17:30,049 The longer that the sort of old thinking, 251 00:17:30,082 --> 00:17:31,817 the old way of thinking about drugs, 252 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:35,320 is perpetuated, it just means the more we're gonna 253 00:17:35,354 --> 00:17:38,490 suffer higher levels of addiction and that's why, 254 00:17:38,524 --> 00:17:40,893 you know, moving towards drug policies grounded in 255 00:17:40,926 --> 00:17:44,396 science and compassion, health, and human rights, 256 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:46,732 is so pivotally important. 257 00:17:58,544 --> 00:18:02,781 I never liked the term "War on Drugs". 258 00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:06,518 Because a war, it's supposed to have a beginning and an end. 259 00:18:06,552 --> 00:18:08,787 In the end, you either win it or lose it. 260 00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:10,322 The problem with War on Drugs is that 261 00:18:10,355 --> 00:18:12,524 you will never get an end to it. 262 00:18:12,558 --> 00:18:15,494 There will be new substances coming up every day, 263 00:18:15,527 --> 00:18:18,664 or every month, or every year. 264 00:18:18,697 --> 00:18:21,166 So, we do not know what's ahead of us. 265 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,802 What we know is that it's not going to end. 266 00:18:23,836 --> 00:18:26,305 We are not going to solve this problem, 267 00:18:26,338 --> 00:18:29,675 but there's a lot of ways we can manage it. 268 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:43,489 The major problem we had back in the 80s and 90s 269 00:18:43,522 --> 00:18:46,658 was heroin usage. Mostly injected heroin usage 270 00:18:46,692 --> 00:18:49,828 with all the HIV infection involved and hepatitis 271 00:18:49,862 --> 00:18:52,498 due to the lemon juice used in shooting heroin, 272 00:18:52,531 --> 00:18:55,000 and that was the, the main reason that 273 00:18:55,033 --> 00:18:57,035 led the government to change the policy. 274 00:18:57,069 --> 00:19:00,772 We see people that use drugs as victims of a crime. 275 00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:03,642 The crime being the crime of the drug smugglers, 276 00:19:03,675 --> 00:19:05,511 the drug traffickers. 277 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:08,780 They are the real criminals. 278 00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:12,351 We went for, we went for the whole thing. 279 00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:14,153 We changed everything. 280 00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:18,957 I believe that these new laws can provide a new solution. 281 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:22,794 We are not creating any better conditions for 282 00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:25,664 consumption in Portugal, we are just creating 283 00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:30,302 better conditions for people who are drug addicts and need help. 284 00:19:30,335 --> 00:19:32,971 We were lucky. 285 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:26,258 Come on. 286 00:20:55,621 --> 00:20:58,991 I like the idea of art. I like those things. 287 00:20:59,024 --> 00:21:01,426 I like materials. I like colours. 288 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:03,528 I like shapes. I like techniques. 289 00:21:03,562 --> 00:21:06,398 But, in general, classic art, I don't like. 290 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:07,733 Modern art, I don't... 291 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:09,768 I don't know if I like because I don't know what it is. 292 00:21:09,801 --> 00:21:11,603 Eh... 293 00:21:11,637 --> 00:21:14,373 I like doing things. 294 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:23,081 You can say ceramics, it's an art. 295 00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:26,885 It's different, of all the ceramics are made by artists. 296 00:21:26,918 --> 00:21:31,390 Sometimes people ask, "Are you an artist? Oh!" 297 00:21:31,423 --> 00:21:32,724 Understand? 298 00:21:32,758 --> 00:21:35,727 Why don't they ask, "Are a you very good... 299 00:21:35,761 --> 00:21:37,429 or very happy potter?" 300 00:21:37,462 --> 00:21:39,431 Yes, I am. 301 00:21:43,268 --> 00:21:44,770 You see, sometimes I do the stuff, 302 00:21:44,803 --> 00:21:46,405 but then I need to go out, wherever, 303 00:21:46,438 --> 00:21:50,575 and I leave it and I don't finish them. 304 00:22:05,123 --> 00:22:08,026 21, I began my, my place, working in ceramics. 305 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:12,197 24, I was technician of ceramics in the University of... 306 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:15,534 Architecture, in the design, industrial course, 307 00:22:15,567 --> 00:22:18,070 for years, always using drugs. 308 00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:20,906 I teached in a school, pottery, 309 00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:24,276 always having my own potter business. 310 00:22:24,309 --> 00:22:26,912 This is 1995. There were no half-pipe, nothing. 311 00:22:26,945 --> 00:22:29,548 There was no BMX in Lisbon, and so, 312 00:22:29,581 --> 00:22:31,416 we made the first half-pipe in Lisbon, 313 00:22:31,450 --> 00:22:32,417 I'm in the newspaper. 314 00:22:32,451 --> 00:22:35,587 So this photo is from a professional. 315 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:39,558 This is a Roland MC-303, it's a sequencer. 316 00:22:39,591 --> 00:22:43,061 Synthesize sequencer, to make "doo-doo-doo-doo-doo". 317 00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:44,896 I sell it for two grams of crack. 318 00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:47,733 This were photos I took for purpose, it was to, 319 00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:49,801 to give to an agent because sometimes I wanted to 320 00:22:49,835 --> 00:22:53,405 do figuration, so you need photos for them. 321 00:22:53,438 --> 00:22:57,309 And these, these I really love it 'cause it's my daddy. 322 00:22:57,342 --> 00:22:59,778 I really like my expression. I like all the things, 323 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:03,682 and it's 19... 1977. 324 00:23:07,719 --> 00:23:10,555 There are guys, I think, like me. I get addicted, 325 00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:15,894 and now it's difficult to go out because I still want to use it. 326 00:23:15,927 --> 00:23:17,863 That's the question; you're not even addicted 327 00:23:17,896 --> 00:23:21,767 to one drug, you're addicted to alterated states. 328 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,536 And that's the, the balance and the fight between 329 00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:28,874 crack, heroin, methadone. 330 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,710 Cannot feel like a criminal, so I must show 331 00:23:31,743 --> 00:23:34,813 I don't feel like I'm doing a crime. 332 00:23:43,822 --> 00:23:45,891 When I think about addiction, 333 00:23:45,924 --> 00:23:48,427 I think about the work of 334 00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:52,397 one of my favourite Canadians, of Bruce Alexander. 335 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:55,767 He showed that rats raised in an enriched environment 336 00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:59,971 are far less likely to take drugs than rats raised in 337 00:24:00,005 --> 00:24:02,340 a barren or desolate environment. 338 00:24:02,374 --> 00:24:07,078 We thought we'd bring that idea to the human laboratory. 339 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:12,184 We tested the impact of having an alternative reinforcer 340 00:24:12,217 --> 00:24:15,854 or an attractive alternative to cocaine, crack-cocaine, 341 00:24:15,887 --> 00:24:19,524 as a choice, so we allow people to either take 342 00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:23,728 a certain amount of money or take a hit of crack cocaine. 343 00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:27,866 And what you find is that when your alternative is 344 00:24:27,899 --> 00:24:29,935 high enough or attractive enough, 345 00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:32,070 like the amount of money is large enough, 346 00:24:32,103 --> 00:24:34,706 you would get those folks actually choosing money 347 00:24:34,739 --> 00:24:36,441 over their drug of choice. 348 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:38,877 Just shows that people behave rationally, 349 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:40,779 even people who use drugs, 350 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:43,415 even people who we call drug addicts. 351 00:24:43,448 --> 00:24:46,451 This work grew out of the work of Bruce Alexander 352 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:50,388 who did this sort of work in rats. 353 00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:55,460 You can only learn so much by studying rats and 354 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:59,397 we found something that I think was important. 355 00:24:59,431 --> 00:25:02,567 I mean, what's surprising is how active rats are in, 356 00:25:02,601 --> 00:25:05,337 in society. They're always busy, 357 00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:08,540 except the occasional moment for meditation. 358 00:25:08,573 --> 00:25:11,877 But, but, basically, they're always busy and 359 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:14,513 rats in cages are not busy, they've got nothing to do. 360 00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:16,081 They got no life. 361 00:25:16,114 --> 00:25:18,917 Well, that seems like a pretty good metaphor. 362 00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:22,020 I spent the rest of my career trying to figure out 363 00:25:22,053 --> 00:25:24,756 where that metaphor goes. 364 00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:28,026 Under what conditions would people adopt 365 00:25:28,059 --> 00:25:30,395 a self-destructive addiction? 366 00:25:30,428 --> 00:25:33,865 I think that the answer lies along the lines that 367 00:25:33,899 --> 00:25:36,535 everybody would choose to have a healthful, 368 00:25:36,568 --> 00:25:40,105 happy life, but what if that's blocked? 369 00:25:40,138 --> 00:25:42,607 You know, most people who are opioid addicts are not 370 00:25:42,641 --> 00:25:46,378 in cages, but maybe the cages are a metaphor; 371 00:25:46,411 --> 00:25:48,914 maybe there are cages we don't see. 372 00:25:57,322 --> 00:25:58,890 In understanding addiction, 373 00:25:58,924 --> 00:26:02,994 it's about the culture in which we're living. 374 00:26:03,028 --> 00:26:06,898 The Philippines is a very sad situation because 375 00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:10,835 here you have an outrageous leader, Duterte, 376 00:26:10,869 --> 00:26:16,341 and he's engaging in an extrajudicial war on drugs, 377 00:26:16,374 --> 00:26:20,245 basically telling security forces and police that 378 00:26:20,278 --> 00:26:22,681 they should feel free to kill anybody that they 379 00:26:22,714 --> 00:26:27,852 think's involved in drugs at all and he'll have their back. 380 00:26:27,886 --> 00:26:30,255 The thing that's so tragic about this, 381 00:26:30,288 --> 00:26:33,558 it's not just the loss of life and a sense of terror, 382 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:37,529 it's also that his policy is supported by a 383 00:26:37,562 --> 00:26:40,932 majority of the population, so far as we can tell. 384 00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:21,292 People are afraid... 385 00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:24,129 But there, there is work being done on the ground 386 00:29:24,162 --> 00:29:29,968 to document the killings because the sentiment is, 387 00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:33,738 one day, when this leader steps down, 388 00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:36,474 he will get his due. 389 00:29:36,508 --> 00:29:40,612 The battle for reforms in this country cannot just be 390 00:29:40,645 --> 00:29:44,616 conducted in the courts, not just in Congress, 391 00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:46,284 but also in the streets. 392 00:30:16,848 --> 00:30:19,417 But, we already know that, ah... 393 00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:21,486 the victim has been killed. 394 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:23,154 Off-screen: How do you know that? 395 00:30:23,188 --> 00:30:25,323 We-- I also cover that area. 396 00:30:25,356 --> 00:30:29,594 We are doing investigative work there. 397 00:30:33,131 --> 00:30:35,166 It was the foreign media who branded us as, 398 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,668 "night crawlers". 399 00:30:36,701 --> 00:30:39,003 Actually, the group doesn't really have a name. 400 00:30:39,037 --> 00:30:41,105 We're just a group of... 401 00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:42,774 journalists and photojournalists 402 00:30:42,807 --> 00:30:47,445 who've tried to share our information and to get leads. 403 00:31:06,331 --> 00:31:10,235 We didn't have much time to gather a lot of information, 404 00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:14,405 but back in 2017, we started to do more of 405 00:31:14,439 --> 00:31:19,244 an investigative way of documenting things. 406 00:31:19,277 --> 00:31:23,114 And, that's where we found a lot of inconsistencies with 407 00:31:23,147 --> 00:31:26,751 what they claim to be police operations. 408 00:31:31,689 --> 00:31:35,627 Word on the street is that there's this group called 409 00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:38,129 the Davao Death Squad, 410 00:31:38,162 --> 00:31:40,498 and these are, I guess, 411 00:31:40,531 --> 00:31:44,168 policemen who are doing the killings. 412 00:31:44,202 --> 00:31:47,605 So, you have a rider, you have a... 413 00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:50,775 the person with the gun, they drive by, 414 00:31:50,808 --> 00:31:53,144 they shoot a particular person 415 00:31:53,177 --> 00:31:56,614 who's reported to be a pusher. 416 00:31:56,648 --> 00:31:58,283 When somebody kills somebody, 417 00:31:58,316 --> 00:32:01,819 it's just killing. It's just murder, you know. 418 00:32:01,853 --> 00:32:04,088 But if government conducts the killings 419 00:32:04,122 --> 00:32:05,890 that's extrajudicial killings. 420 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:07,292 This, ah... 421 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:10,795 that's how the police operatives look like. 422 00:32:10,828 --> 00:32:14,065 They... you don't see their faces. 423 00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:16,601 They wear shorts, t-shirt, 424 00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:18,803 and that's where they keep their guns. 425 00:32:18,836 --> 00:32:20,605 They have these sling bags. 426 00:32:22,173 --> 00:32:25,443 Oh, I was there. I took it from the hip. 427 00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,282 Yeah. 428 00:32:34,686 --> 00:32:39,991 It is very important that we got to know Orly much better 429 00:32:40,024 --> 00:32:42,593 because through him, we get a lot of access to 430 00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:44,629 the contact details of the families, 431 00:32:44,662 --> 00:32:47,098 where to look for them, where the wake is, 432 00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:50,435 where to search for the families. 433 00:34:27,365 --> 00:34:30,334 According to the spot report, the police claim that 434 00:34:30,368 --> 00:34:32,503 they found meth on he-- on this body, 435 00:34:32,537 --> 00:34:39,744 but the gunman was an unidentified motorcycle gunman. 436 00:34:39,777 --> 00:34:43,514 There were no witnesses in identifying the assailants. 437 00:34:43,548 --> 00:34:44,849 This is very hard. 438 00:34:44,882 --> 00:34:47,685 How do we start with the investigation or... 439 00:34:47,718 --> 00:34:50,855 where do we start with the investigation? 440 00:34:50,888 --> 00:34:53,558 The victim was already-- He surrendered. 441 00:34:53,591 --> 00:34:57,361 He surrendered in 2016, under the drug watch list. 442 00:34:57,395 --> 00:34:59,197 That same day, on November 1, 443 00:34:59,230 --> 00:35:03,134 they did a random drug test on him. 444 00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:06,170 Well, we, we won't know what the result was, 445 00:35:06,204 --> 00:35:10,007 but after, past midnight, he was killed. 446 00:35:22,353 --> 00:35:24,889 There is only Fentanyl available in Florida. 447 00:35:24,922 --> 00:35:27,558 If you try to buy heroin, it is only a Fentanyl 448 00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:31,662 or a Fentanyl analogue. 449 00:35:31,696 --> 00:35:33,531 This is Florida. We've already established 450 00:35:33,564 --> 00:35:36,334 the canary in the coal mine status, right? 451 00:35:36,367 --> 00:35:40,338 In all of Florida, there is only one needle exchange program. 452 00:35:40,371 --> 00:35:44,041 It's a pilot program, the state refuses to pay for it. 453 00:35:44,075 --> 00:35:46,177 We're not looking at the science again. 454 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:47,879 - Welcome. - Thanks, dude. 455 00:35:47,912 --> 00:35:49,680 How you doing? It's good to see you. 456 00:35:49,714 --> 00:35:52,850 You too. You want to go upstairs? 457 00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:54,352 So, in the whole state of Florida right now, 458 00:35:54,385 --> 00:35:58,389 it's you, Sun Coast Harm Reduction Project, and us. 459 00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:00,024 - That's it? - That's it. 460 00:36:00,057 --> 00:36:01,259 In this entire state, I mean, that's-- 461 00:36:01,292 --> 00:36:03,628 - Whole state. - Unbelievable. 462 00:36:09,567 --> 00:36:12,003 This is the IDEA Exchange. We're the first 463 00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:14,805 legal needle exchange program in the state of Florida. 464 00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:16,841 What we try to do is bring harm reduction services 465 00:36:16,874 --> 00:36:19,010 to the people of Miami. 466 00:36:19,043 --> 00:36:21,646 The whole ethos of harm reduction is about 467 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,482 meeting people where they're at so they can 468 00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:29,153 take a step at a time towards a better life, 469 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:31,656 whether that better life involves being 470 00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:34,325 abstinent from drugs or whether it means 471 00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:36,527 still finding a way to use drugs, 472 00:36:36,561 --> 00:36:38,896 but in a way that's less destructive for them and 473 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:40,498 the people around them. 474 00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:42,833 You're not hanging down on 14th and 2nd, right? 475 00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:44,702 - I wasn't today. - No, no, no. 476 00:36:44,735 --> 00:36:48,539 We have just completely neglected to implement 477 00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:50,174 evidence-based strategies. 478 00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,710 I mean, this is not a radical thing. 479 00:36:52,743 --> 00:36:55,079 It's literally that people do not care. 480 00:36:55,112 --> 00:36:59,083 Like, they, they do not care about the people that we serve. 481 00:36:59,116 --> 00:37:02,954 Just, and, I think would be very upfront about that. 482 00:37:02,987 --> 00:37:06,958 We are decades behind, but this isn't it. 483 00:37:06,991 --> 00:37:08,993 There were people doing underground needle exchange 484 00:37:09,026 --> 00:37:12,630 before we got the authorized program. 485 00:37:12,663 --> 00:37:14,966 "Outlaw". 486 00:37:14,999 --> 00:37:16,801 It's about syringe exchange, just doing, like, 487 00:37:16,834 --> 00:37:20,137 illegal syringe exchange. 488 00:37:20,171 --> 00:37:22,707 Rebel Recovery is a harm reduction organization at heart. 489 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:25,343 And mainly, it's just meant to... 490 00:37:25,376 --> 00:37:27,812 show compassion, love, and understanding to 491 00:37:27,845 --> 00:37:30,181 a population of individuals that 492 00:37:30,214 --> 00:37:32,984 have been routinely victimized and... 493 00:37:33,017 --> 00:37:37,888 outcast from normal society. 494 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,657 So, it was really just like a... 495 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:43,527 a movement for drug users by drug users. 496 00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:47,732 It's not driven by what public policy says. 497 00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:52,837 If the government won't, we will. 498 00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:56,507 Interestingly, because of people like Rebel Recovery and 499 00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:58,876 the IDEA Exchange who put Naloxone into the hands 500 00:37:58,909 --> 00:38:01,178 of people who need it, the overdose rates in 501 00:38:01,212 --> 00:38:03,514 south Florida are actually coming down for the first time 502 00:38:03,547 --> 00:38:05,950 since the closure of the pill mills. 503 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,123 It's my first time being invited to a meeting like this, 504 00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:15,126 not being arrested previous to it. 505 00:38:16,727 --> 00:38:20,498 Ah, I appear to be the only one who's actually had 506 00:38:20,531 --> 00:38:24,135 experience using substances, and common sense would 507 00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:27,638 usually dictate that if you want to know how to solve an issue, 508 00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:29,840 talk to the people who have struggled with the issue. 509 00:38:31,676 --> 00:38:34,645 Mr... Mr. Kunzelman. 510 00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:36,847 So, this is, this is our Naloxone 511 00:38:36,881 --> 00:38:38,716 for community distribution. 512 00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:42,153 So, it's a nasal spray, inserted into the nostril. 513 00:38:44,755 --> 00:38:47,391 That's a live dose I just put in my nose. 514 00:38:47,425 --> 00:38:50,061 So, when Naloxone's introduced in a system, 515 00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:52,663 it rushes to the site of opiate receptors, 516 00:38:52,697 --> 00:38:54,732 boots out whatever opiate is in there, 517 00:38:54,765 --> 00:38:58,235 removes the effect of the opiates on the person's body. 518 00:38:58,269 --> 00:39:01,906 Last month, we... reported-- 519 00:39:01,939 --> 00:39:04,775 we had 51 reversals reported to us 520 00:39:04,809 --> 00:39:08,446 directly from the Naloxone that we distribute. 521 00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:11,015 There's just, there's no greater act of compassion 522 00:39:11,048 --> 00:39:15,119 than telling somebody that you accept them for, 523 00:39:15,152 --> 00:39:17,121 for exactly where they are and that you see them 524 00:39:17,154 --> 00:39:19,523 as a human and that you're willing to do 525 00:39:19,557 --> 00:39:21,625 whatever it takes to keep them safe... 526 00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:26,797 until they're ready to make positive changes in their life. 527 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:30,501 Harm reduction, it's all about trying to reduce the 528 00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:34,305 harms associated with drug use by and among those people 529 00:39:34,338 --> 00:39:39,009 who are unable or unwilling to stop using drugs today. 530 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,312 If you ask heroin addicts, 531 00:39:41,345 --> 00:39:43,180 "What's the toughest drug to quit?" 532 00:39:43,214 --> 00:39:44,882 What do the majority say...? 533 00:39:44,915 --> 00:39:46,484 Cigarettes. 534 00:39:46,517 --> 00:39:50,688 Yet, on the other hand, cigarette smoking has been 535 00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:53,891 cut by at least a half, maybe much more than that now, 536 00:39:53,924 --> 00:39:57,828 since its peak, without anybody ever relying on 537 00:39:57,862 --> 00:39:59,563 a criminal law, or police, 538 00:39:59,597 --> 00:40:01,832 or prosecutors, or prisons. 539 00:40:04,602 --> 00:40:07,571 We need to assume that the public health system and 540 00:40:07,605 --> 00:40:10,408 the health system, generally, is the way to deal with 541 00:40:10,441 --> 00:40:12,910 drug use and drug addiction. 542 00:40:17,782 --> 00:40:21,352 There's a lot of people taking pills for allergies, right. 543 00:40:21,385 --> 00:40:23,521 They have to take a pill every day in the morning 544 00:40:23,554 --> 00:40:26,357 otherwise they will not be able to function normally. 545 00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:29,393 That pill is a, is a substitution drug, right, 546 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,695 but people do not perceive it as a problematic thing 547 00:40:31,729 --> 00:40:34,532 because it's done under a medical environment. 548 00:40:34,565 --> 00:40:36,767 There's a medical doctor that explains to the person 549 00:40:36,801 --> 00:40:39,703 that they are not going to be cured, 550 00:40:39,737 --> 00:40:42,373 but nevertheless, there is a treatment option that 551 00:40:42,406 --> 00:40:44,608 they can take for the rest of their life. 552 00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:35,826 I don't trust in priests; I don't trust in lawyers; 553 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:38,262 I don't trust in police. 554 00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,431 Mostly, I don't trust in dealers. 555 00:41:40,464 --> 00:41:43,267 But these guys, I trust them for sure, you know, 556 00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:46,937 they are the best I have at the moment. 557 00:41:46,971 --> 00:41:48,272 I really like their attitude, 558 00:41:48,305 --> 00:41:51,942 their position of, of the way they treat us. 559 00:41:51,976 --> 00:41:56,280 I was waiting for this a long time ago and 560 00:41:56,313 --> 00:41:59,783 if this wasn't here, now, I wouldn't be here. 561 00:41:59,817 --> 00:42:02,453 Probably I wouldn't-- I would have waken up 562 00:42:02,486 --> 00:42:05,389 two hours ago, very bad... 563 00:42:05,422 --> 00:42:07,224 on dependence of heroin. 564 00:42:07,258 --> 00:42:12,563 But now... I can go work naturally. 565 00:42:12,596 --> 00:42:15,933 Rat Park is just a metaphor, it's just rats. 566 00:42:15,966 --> 00:42:18,435 Human beings have, have properties, 567 00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:21,405 which rats can't possibly have, 568 00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:23,607 but it suggests something. 569 00:42:23,641 --> 00:42:26,410 Maybe it's the case that 570 00:42:26,443 --> 00:42:29,246 if rats are allowed to develop their culture, 571 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,449 then opioids cease to be a problem 572 00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:36,086 for a normal society. 573 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,290 Now, it doesn't mean that the rats in Rat Park 574 00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:41,458 didn't drink any morphine 'cause they did, 575 00:42:41,492 --> 00:42:44,261 they drank a fair bit of it. I mean, just a fraction of 576 00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:46,096 what they drank in the, in the cages, 577 00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:47,665 but every once in a while, 578 00:42:47,698 --> 00:42:51,335 there was a rat who did a lot. 579 00:42:51,368 --> 00:42:54,972 I began using drugs, age 16, smoking hash. 580 00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:57,174 17, LSD. 581 00:42:57,207 --> 00:42:59,510 At 18, heroin, I just try it, 582 00:42:59,543 --> 00:43:01,512 not to get addicted because heroin, 583 00:43:01,545 --> 00:43:04,615 you must learn to get addicted. 584 00:43:04,648 --> 00:43:08,385 19, 20... sniff cocaine. 585 00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:10,387 22, smoked cocaine. 586 00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,056 Oh! Things change. 587 00:43:13,924 --> 00:43:16,627 After that, all together, woohoo, 588 00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:19,129 and sleeping pills, then depression. 589 00:43:19,163 --> 00:43:20,798 A high depression. 590 00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:23,601 All these mixed with antipsychotic, hypnotic, 591 00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:25,569 anti-depressive, sleeping pills, 592 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,072 all that shit, huh, for years. 593 00:43:28,105 --> 00:43:29,473 All that shit, with all due respect, 594 00:43:29,506 --> 00:43:32,242 because they help me treatment. 595 00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:34,645 Just have a little piece. 596 00:43:39,183 --> 00:43:42,119 This is already cooked. 597 00:43:42,152 --> 00:43:43,754 Because a few years ago, 598 00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:48,592 normally you don't buy it prepared for smoke. 599 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:50,761 I don't have too much. 600 00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:52,930 This little piece, I already smoked. 601 00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:55,432 I buy it, 15 euros. It depends on the place. 602 00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:57,935 Normally they sell it at 10, already smoked. 603 00:43:57,968 --> 00:44:00,671 So, this small stuff, it's more or less, 604 00:44:00,704 --> 00:44:03,207 it can be 10 euros, ah, easy. 605 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,775 This is crack-cocaine. 606 00:44:04,808 --> 00:44:07,711 It's... it goes very, very fast. 607 00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:13,884 I smoked already today. I smoke it every day, 608 00:44:13,917 --> 00:44:15,719 so it's not so... 609 00:44:15,753 --> 00:44:18,222 You are always looking for the first experience again, 610 00:44:18,255 --> 00:44:19,957 obviously, with all the drugs. 611 00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:21,458 That's it, done. 612 00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:24,094 Even so, I don't know if you notice, probably, 613 00:44:24,128 --> 00:44:25,629 I am changed, okay. 614 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,731 And you become stupid, and you become... you know. 615 00:44:27,765 --> 00:44:31,068 That's the problem of cocaine and crack, mostly. 616 00:44:31,101 --> 00:44:33,404 Always the same problem. 617 00:44:33,437 --> 00:44:35,739 Are you getting high? 618 00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:38,242 It's not, you know, 10 years ago, 619 00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:40,077 if I was doing this, I would have-- 620 00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:41,578 Just a minute, sorry. 621 00:44:41,612 --> 00:44:43,247 I have to prepare everything. 622 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,483 Somebody enters, blows all this shit away. 623 00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:47,985 It's impossible. 624 00:44:48,018 --> 00:44:50,487 Imagine I couldn't get this. The crack, it's the problem. 625 00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:52,122 There's no medicine for crack. 626 00:44:52,156 --> 00:44:54,124 The guy who invents something like methadone, 627 00:44:54,158 --> 00:44:56,827 but for crack... success. 628 00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:58,629 Perfect, huh. 629 00:45:13,143 --> 00:45:15,779 News: Of course we have some concerns that people may see 630 00:45:15,813 --> 00:45:20,718 the law as a license for a free drug holiday, 631 00:45:20,751 --> 00:45:22,553 but it's still illegal to take drugs, 632 00:45:22,586 --> 00:45:24,388 buy drugs, and sell them. 633 00:45:24,421 --> 00:45:26,457 It isn't a get out of jail free card, 634 00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:28,759 and it certainly isn't, come to Portugal, 635 00:45:28,792 --> 00:45:31,128 we're drug free. 636 00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:35,399 We are a dissuasion commission, 637 00:45:35,432 --> 00:45:38,969 so we are not here to try to prevent people from using drugs. 638 00:45:39,002 --> 00:45:41,105 What we try to do is try to prevent people from 639 00:45:41,138 --> 00:45:43,674 misusing or abusing an illicit substance. 640 00:46:27,351 --> 00:46:30,254 Portugal is not particularly liberal about drugs and 641 00:46:30,287 --> 00:46:32,489 they don't feel all that kindly towards 642 00:46:32,523 --> 00:46:34,424 their junkies, their addicts. 643 00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:36,760 What Portugal did, when all is said and done, 644 00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:38,829 was they said, "We're making a commitment. 645 00:46:38,862 --> 00:46:42,099 We are not going to put people in jail for 646 00:46:42,132 --> 00:46:43,934 simple drug use or possession. 647 00:46:43,967 --> 00:46:45,435 If they're really a bad guy, 648 00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:47,437 we'll catch 'em for something else." 649 00:46:47,471 --> 00:46:50,340 If the rest of the world could make a commitment like this-- 650 00:46:50,374 --> 00:46:51,942 'cause remember, the large majority of 651 00:46:51,975 --> 00:46:53,343 all drug arrests in the world are for 652 00:46:53,377 --> 00:46:55,112 simple drug use and possession - 653 00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:58,649 I think the War on Drugs would essentially dissolve. 654 00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:03,287 If someone is caught in the possession of 655 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,454 an illicit substance, 656 00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:06,723 the police officer apprehends the substance, 657 00:47:06,757 --> 00:47:08,959 but instead of being referred to a court of law 658 00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:11,228 under the Ministry of Justice, 659 00:47:11,261 --> 00:47:13,430 they are referred to the Ministry of Health because 660 00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:16,099 90% of drug users do it because they like it and 661 00:47:16,133 --> 00:47:18,602 10% do it because they are addicted to it. 662 00:47:18,635 --> 00:47:22,306 So, none of those sort of users will stop using 663 00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:24,408 because a judge tells them that what they are doing 664 00:47:24,441 --> 00:47:27,978 is a very wrong thing. 665 00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:32,082 Rat Park helps us to understand that 666 00:47:32,115 --> 00:47:35,152 we cannot understand drugs simply as 667 00:47:35,185 --> 00:47:36,820 something which affects the brain and 668 00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,455 changes a person into an addict; 669 00:47:38,488 --> 00:47:42,759 that we must look at society in a much broader way. 670 00:47:42,793 --> 00:47:45,128 I think it's very important for people like me, 671 00:47:45,162 --> 00:47:48,765 psychologists, to realize that we cannot treat our way 672 00:47:48,799 --> 00:47:50,334 out of the addiction problem, 673 00:47:50,367 --> 00:47:52,936 and I also think that it is important for 674 00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:54,771 doctors to realize that. 675 00:47:54,805 --> 00:47:57,007 You know, people are struggling to 676 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,276 try to give their life some kind of meaning, 677 00:47:59,309 --> 00:48:01,178 some kind of center of gravity 678 00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:03,113 and they, they latch onto addiction. 679 00:48:03,146 --> 00:48:05,883 But they're not sick: they're desperate. 680 00:49:42,512 --> 00:49:45,115 These are the two that were killed this morning. 681 00:50:15,979 --> 00:50:17,314 Yeah. 682 00:50:17,347 --> 00:50:21,985 On each body, they found two sachets of shabu. 683 00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:25,122 It's kind of very ironic that dead bodies are turning up 684 00:50:25,155 --> 00:50:29,292 with just 4 dollars' worth of shabu on them, 685 00:50:29,326 --> 00:50:30,494 and they are dead. 686 00:50:30,527 --> 00:50:32,662 While, those people who are engaging in 687 00:50:32,696 --> 00:50:37,801 importing billions' worth of shabu... 688 00:50:37,834 --> 00:50:39,636 nowhere to be found. 689 00:50:39,669 --> 00:50:43,140 So, it's a pretty-- it's really unfair that 690 00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:45,342 these people who are just mere users, 691 00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:50,814 are just... are just getting killed. 692 00:50:50,847 --> 00:50:53,050 They have names and faces and... 693 00:50:53,083 --> 00:50:55,318 they are somebody's loved one. 694 00:50:55,352 --> 00:50:58,188 Hopefully, those photos, when the time comes, 695 00:50:58,221 --> 00:51:00,157 somebody can identify those photos, 696 00:51:00,190 --> 00:51:02,325 then give closure to those families 697 00:51:02,359 --> 00:51:04,494 who are looking for them. 698 00:51:08,965 --> 00:51:12,002 They are usually dropped off from a vehicle, 699 00:51:12,035 --> 00:51:13,804 brought down and shot. 700 00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:15,472 They wrap their faces in plastic, 701 00:51:15,505 --> 00:51:17,941 in packaging tapes... 702 00:51:17,974 --> 00:51:20,277 And, ah... leave cardboards on the, 703 00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:22,479 the dead bodies. 704 00:51:22,512 --> 00:51:24,448 It just states that, "I'm a drug addict, 705 00:51:24,481 --> 00:51:27,517 I'm a drug pusher. I'm a thief. 706 00:51:27,551 --> 00:51:30,620 Don't emulate me." 707 00:51:34,558 --> 00:51:36,827 We have a message that goes against the message 708 00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:39,196 of the government, so they don't like that. 709 00:51:39,229 --> 00:51:42,532 They don't like that we are not saying 710 00:51:42,566 --> 00:51:44,668 what they want us to say. 711 00:51:44,701 --> 00:51:47,471 And, so what we get are threats. 712 00:51:47,504 --> 00:51:49,806 Sometimes you see people following you. 713 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,644 Sometimes text messages or threats. 714 00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:58,815 Does it make us fearful? Of course, yes. 715 00:51:58,849 --> 00:52:02,986 And so, we've had to be careful because I don't know... 716 00:52:03,019 --> 00:52:07,257 how it may affect me or my family. 717 00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:11,761 You know, as they say, so long as one is a monk, 718 00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:15,799 one has to go on tolling the bell. 719 00:52:15,832 --> 00:52:19,803 There is almost 5,000 killed in police operations and... 720 00:52:19,836 --> 00:52:23,673 maybe 25,000 killed that are still under investigations; 721 00:52:23,707 --> 00:52:25,675 that's already 30,000. 722 00:52:25,709 --> 00:52:27,844 That number is already very staggering. 723 00:52:27,878 --> 00:52:31,181 It could be claimed as a genocide. 724 00:52:31,214 --> 00:52:33,950 Where have you seen that somebody-- 30,000 people 725 00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:37,621 getting killed because of this so-called propaganda? 726 00:52:39,556 --> 00:52:41,124 During his visit to the Philippines, 727 00:52:41,158 --> 00:52:42,959 President Donald Trump sat down with 728 00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:45,328 President Rodrigo Duterte. 729 00:52:45,362 --> 00:52:48,131 Donald Trump has a friendlier relationship with Duterte 730 00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:51,668 than his predecessor, President Barack Obama. 731 00:52:51,701 --> 00:52:54,337 Obama condemned Duterte for his violent response 732 00:52:54,371 --> 00:52:56,473 to the nation's drug problem. 733 00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,009 Human Rights Watch reports that Duterte has authorized 734 00:52:59,042 --> 00:53:01,978 the killing of thousands of suspected drug users and has 735 00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:06,116 vowed to protect police officers from drug war prosecutions. 736 00:53:31,708 --> 00:53:34,311 Duterte told the audience he sang upon the orders 737 00:53:34,344 --> 00:53:36,446 of President Trump. 738 00:53:41,818 --> 00:53:44,454 I do it with Ms. Pilita Corrales 739 00:53:44,487 --> 00:53:47,657 upon the orders of the commander in chief 740 00:53:47,691 --> 00:53:49,025 of the United States. 741 00:53:54,564 --> 00:53:59,636 Drug panics blow on us like tsunamis. 742 00:53:59,669 --> 00:54:03,106 We distract ourselves by paying too much attention 743 00:54:03,139 --> 00:54:04,908 to the panic of the moment 744 00:54:04,941 --> 00:54:08,745 and not enough attention to the rising tide. 745 00:54:08,778 --> 00:54:10,647 We've got to look at it in terms of 746 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,583 a much broader view of society. 747 00:54:16,286 --> 00:54:17,487 We have a heroin epidemic; 748 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,490 we've had people literally dropping dead 749 00:54:20,523 --> 00:54:25,462 in Donald Trump's figurative backyard. 750 00:54:25,495 --> 00:54:28,298 If you have a medical system which is based on capitalism 751 00:54:28,331 --> 00:54:31,001 then, of course, there will be predators involved. 752 00:54:31,034 --> 00:54:35,939 Florida is the recovery capital of the world. 753 00:54:35,972 --> 00:54:38,942 The problem with treatment in Florida is that 754 00:54:38,975 --> 00:54:41,978 it has been so terribly regulated. 755 00:54:45,315 --> 00:54:47,017 I, I picked this, ah... 756 00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:51,021 sober magazine up in a coffee shop. 757 00:54:51,054 --> 00:54:52,822 And this is the crazy part: the ads have very little 758 00:54:52,856 --> 00:54:56,826 to do with the actual interventions or 759 00:54:56,860 --> 00:54:58,962 the modalities that are being used. 760 00:54:58,995 --> 00:55:01,531 That's the start of the scam, that's the tip of the spear, 761 00:55:01,564 --> 00:55:03,633 is when you see a deceptive ad telling you 762 00:55:03,667 --> 00:55:05,969 to come down to Heavenly Valley Recovery 763 00:55:06,002 --> 00:55:07,570 in Delray Beach, Florida. 764 00:55:07,604 --> 00:55:09,973 When, in reality, there are no valleys in Delray Beach, 765 00:55:10,006 --> 00:55:11,741 and I'm sure wherever you're going may not be 766 00:55:11,775 --> 00:55:16,313 very heavenly if you're basing it merely on an advertisement. 767 00:55:16,346 --> 00:55:19,749 All that's shown is like luxury beds. 768 00:55:19,783 --> 00:55:21,418 Like, it looks like a hotel ad. 769 00:55:21,451 --> 00:55:23,820 You see "hope" a lot as a buzz word. 770 00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:26,323 This is not a 30 to 90-day thing we're talking about. 771 00:55:26,356 --> 00:55:27,791 This is somebody's life. 772 00:55:27,824 --> 00:55:30,927 None of it is, is centered in... 773 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,431 in actual evidence-based treatment. 774 00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:39,602 Paying to care for somebody else's horses is accepted 775 00:55:39,636 --> 00:55:42,939 as a standard of care, or as a selling point for 776 00:55:42,972 --> 00:55:46,810 a treatment facility, but the idea that somebody could-- 777 00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:49,446 should safe-- more safely use heroin, 778 00:55:49,479 --> 00:55:53,283 is bullshit in this country, is... 779 00:55:53,316 --> 00:55:55,985 off, it's fucking maddening. 780 00:56:00,490 --> 00:56:03,093 This place laid the foundation for me just as a, 781 00:56:03,126 --> 00:56:06,062 as a person, of like, 782 00:56:06,096 --> 00:56:09,399 the value of community and hard work, and... 783 00:56:09,432 --> 00:56:12,736 you know, kindness. 784 00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:16,139 Everybody wants the visual of a dude experiencing 785 00:56:16,172 --> 00:56:18,441 homelessness in a fucking trench coat, 786 00:56:18,475 --> 00:56:21,411 who's living under a bridge, like, 787 00:56:21,444 --> 00:56:23,780 jamming a spike into his arm. 788 00:56:23,813 --> 00:56:28,485 In reality, drug use is a lot more normalized than that, 789 00:56:28,518 --> 00:56:32,956 like, everybody gathers around on a Friday afternoon 790 00:56:32,989 --> 00:56:38,428 after work to consume drugs in large, large quantities. 791 00:56:38,461 --> 00:56:42,265 What is a bar but a safe consumption site for alcohol? 792 00:56:42,298 --> 00:56:44,968 It's, it's a matter of... 793 00:56:45,001 --> 00:56:49,272 teaching people that drug use is, 794 00:56:49,305 --> 00:56:52,108 is as American as... 795 00:56:52,142 --> 00:56:54,778 apple pie and baseball. 796 00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:09,826 Portugal was called the, "Portuguese Experiment," 797 00:57:09,859 --> 00:57:13,062 for the first 10 years after the change in the law. 798 00:57:13,096 --> 00:57:14,731 And along the way, we started being called 799 00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,866 the, "Portuguese Model." 800 00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:19,836 For me, I felt like the little mice running in the maze 801 00:57:19,869 --> 00:57:21,504 when we were an experiment. 802 00:57:21,538 --> 00:57:23,173 But now, I feel like the little mice that 803 00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:25,008 actually got out of the maze. 804 00:57:25,041 --> 00:57:26,543 The problem is that our maze, 805 00:57:26,576 --> 00:57:29,045 it's completely different from all the other mazes. 806 00:57:29,078 --> 00:57:32,916 The only thing I think people should copy from us 807 00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:34,717 was the way we did it. 808 00:57:34,751 --> 00:57:37,854 It's fairly easier for a person to assume that 809 00:57:37,887 --> 00:57:40,590 they have an addiction problem if along the way 810 00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:42,192 they do not have to assume that 811 00:57:42,225 --> 00:57:46,362 they also have a criminal problem. 812 00:57:46,396 --> 00:57:49,699 For being in Portugal, I think what makes my life 813 00:57:49,732 --> 00:57:53,536 as good as possible is because I do what I want. 814 00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:56,539 If I do what I want in a place where I like, 815 00:57:56,573 --> 00:57:58,741 that's the perfect storm. 816 00:57:58,775 --> 00:58:01,878 I can ride my bike; I can do pottery... 817 00:58:01,911 --> 00:58:06,483 So, if the drugs were not so expensive, 818 00:58:06,516 --> 00:58:08,351 that was only a small problem. 819 00:58:14,591 --> 00:58:18,027 A lot of people that work in the field of narcotics, 820 00:58:18,061 --> 00:58:20,563 they know that the substances are not going away. 821 00:58:20,597 --> 00:58:22,999 They know that if they apprehend more, 822 00:58:23,032 --> 00:58:25,335 they will just-- the drug dealers will just 823 00:58:25,368 --> 00:58:27,837 bring more to the market, so it's a... 824 00:58:27,871 --> 00:58:30,340 it's like a never-ending race that they know 825 00:58:30,373 --> 00:58:31,908 they are not going to win. 826 00:58:31,941 --> 00:58:35,078 There is no place in Portugal where you can just go in and 827 00:58:35,111 --> 00:58:38,047 buy an illicit substance and get a receipt out of that 828 00:58:38,081 --> 00:58:40,016 because you'll still have to go to the black market, 829 00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:42,185 there's no quality control, there's no taxation, 830 00:58:42,218 --> 00:58:44,420 there's no nothing. 831 00:58:47,457 --> 00:58:51,694 Tiago has a lot of experience, like, 30 years; 832 00:58:51,728 --> 00:58:54,864 that's why he still works. 833 00:58:54,898 --> 00:59:00,069 And I don't know somebody using like him and 834 00:59:00,103 --> 00:59:05,308 how I can help him stop cocaine or heroin, 835 00:59:05,341 --> 00:59:07,877 for me, it's really difficult and, 836 00:59:07,911 --> 00:59:10,914 it's impossible, almost impossible. 837 00:59:31,401 --> 00:59:33,069 Normally, this doesn't happen, 838 00:59:33,102 --> 00:59:35,672 but sometimes it's possible to happen, okay. 839 00:59:35,705 --> 00:59:39,042 This is just because of the fucking dealers. 840 00:59:39,075 --> 00:59:41,210 Just because, I... 841 00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:44,414 it's off, at 12:30, they change. 842 00:59:44,447 --> 00:59:46,749 There's one guy selling, then comes another one. 843 00:59:46,783 --> 00:59:49,419 And I respect that, but I don't know who they are. 844 00:59:49,452 --> 00:59:51,554 But then comes, "What are you doing? 845 00:59:51,588 --> 00:59:53,189 I didn't tell you wait!" 846 00:59:53,222 --> 00:59:55,258 Obviously, he-- the guy who sold me... 847 00:59:55,291 --> 00:59:57,860 keep the money, and the guy who stole me, 848 00:59:57,894 --> 01:00:00,530 keep the, the drugs. 849 01:00:00,563 --> 01:00:03,366 And he went, changing the problem to the other. 850 01:00:03,399 --> 01:00:04,434 Off-screen: What happened to your lip? 851 01:00:04,467 --> 01:00:06,769 He, they kicked me. There were five men. 852 01:00:06,803 --> 01:00:08,705 They kick me, they give me a punch and 853 01:00:08,738 --> 01:00:11,207 I think my teeth is broken. 854 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,209 Sorry. 855 01:00:17,146 --> 01:00:19,916 The dealer's, the problem is they can't do nothing. 856 01:00:19,949 --> 01:00:22,251 What you tell me? Talk to the police? 857 01:00:22,285 --> 01:00:25,221 What can I do? They can do whatever they want. 858 01:00:25,254 --> 01:00:27,624 I have-- I need the drug! 859 01:00:27,657 --> 01:00:29,726 I'm gonna lose this teeth, for sure, 860 01:00:29,759 --> 01:00:33,229 in several months or a year. For sure. 861 01:00:33,262 --> 01:00:35,565 So, I'll look like a real junkie. 862 01:00:35,598 --> 01:00:38,401 I am a real junkie. 863 01:00:38,434 --> 01:00:43,806 I just want to be a human and be treated like a human. 864 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:49,479 What are the ways whereby those people who love cocaine, 865 01:00:49,512 --> 01:00:52,281 who are addicted to cocaine or whatever, 866 01:00:52,315 --> 01:00:55,318 what are the ways in which those people 867 01:00:55,351 --> 01:00:57,587 who represent the large share of the market, 868 01:00:57,620 --> 01:01:02,125 can get the drug they want in such a way that 869 01:01:02,158 --> 01:01:05,361 it does not endanger the broader public health? 870 01:01:05,395 --> 01:01:07,864 That's really the $64,000 question. 871 01:01:07,897 --> 01:01:09,932 The Portuguese don't know what the fuck they're doing. 872 01:01:09,966 --> 01:01:12,702 And I'll tell you why. They just happen to have 873 01:01:12,735 --> 01:01:14,904 a policy that decriminalized drugs. 874 01:01:14,937 --> 01:01:18,041 Drug sales are still illegal. 875 01:01:18,074 --> 01:01:22,445 Legalization is treating drugs like we treat alcohol. 876 01:01:22,478 --> 01:01:25,548 Why shouldn't people have the right to use drugs; 877 01:01:25,581 --> 01:01:28,885 that's really basic. Why? 878 01:01:28,918 --> 01:01:32,388 You got a responsible person who pays their taxes, 879 01:01:32,422 --> 01:01:33,790 they contribute to their community, 880 01:01:33,823 --> 01:01:35,892 they're doing all of these things... 881 01:01:35,925 --> 01:01:41,464 Why would you want to tell those people they can't use drugs? 882 01:01:41,497 --> 01:01:43,466 I mean, I think what we can say about Portugal is that 883 01:01:43,499 --> 01:01:46,102 they have made it safe, but of course, 884 01:01:46,135 --> 01:01:48,137 they haven't solved the problem, 885 01:01:48,171 --> 01:01:51,240 nor has Canada, nor has Sweden, 886 01:01:51,274 --> 01:01:52,742 nor has Norway... 887 01:01:52,775 --> 01:01:56,579 All these places which are really ahead. 888 01:01:56,612 --> 01:01:58,748 I was thinking about the paradigm shift that 889 01:01:58,781 --> 01:02:01,484 we need to make in the field of addiction. 890 01:02:01,517 --> 01:02:04,587 And then, I saw a picture. 891 01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:07,423 So, imagine this: it's a golf course, 892 01:02:07,457 --> 01:02:11,194 and these guys are very intently playing golf 893 01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:12,528 on a mountainside. 894 01:02:12,562 --> 01:02:16,199 And across the valley, on the facing mountain, 895 01:02:16,232 --> 01:02:18,534 there's an inferno. 896 01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:23,372 Now... that's a paradigm shift. 897 01:02:23,406 --> 01:02:28,211 Those guys are playing the wrong game. 898 01:02:28,244 --> 01:02:32,215 They need to look up and realize that 899 01:02:32,248 --> 01:02:35,618 this new problem is way more important, 900 01:02:35,651 --> 01:02:37,553 and that's why I love the picture, because 901 01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:40,423 that's what we have to do in the field of drug addiction. 902 01:02:40,456 --> 01:02:44,727 We've got to stop playing these drug games and look up. 903 01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:50,066 On what basis does one say to a parent who, God forbid, 904 01:02:50,099 --> 01:02:53,636 has two kids addicted to drugs - one, to heroin, 905 01:02:53,669 --> 01:02:56,472 and the other one to alcohol - on what basis 906 01:02:56,506 --> 01:02:59,242 does the state say to that mother or father, 907 01:02:59,275 --> 01:03:02,578 "Well, that kid, the one who's addicted to alcohol, 908 01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:05,014 which is a deadly addiction, dangerous to society, 909 01:03:05,047 --> 01:03:07,350 as long as he doesn't get behind the wheel of the car 910 01:03:07,383 --> 01:03:08,684 or go out and beat somebody up, 911 01:03:08,718 --> 01:03:11,187 he's not a criminal. 912 01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:14,423 That one, addicted to heroin, that one, 913 01:03:14,457 --> 01:03:16,692 I don't care if he gets behind the wheel of a car or not, 914 01:03:16,726 --> 01:03:18,361 I don't care if he beats somebody up. 915 01:03:18,394 --> 01:03:22,365 Simply possessing that thing for his own use, 916 01:03:22,398 --> 01:03:25,768 in the privacy of his own room in your house; 917 01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:27,904 that's a basis for taking away his freedom and 918 01:03:27,937 --> 01:03:29,372 throwing him in jail. 919 01:03:29,405 --> 01:03:31,541 And if he is unable or unwilling to stop, 920 01:03:31,574 --> 01:03:33,609 we will keep putting him in jail for the rest of his life 921 01:03:33,643 --> 01:03:35,411 so long as he defies that law." 922 01:03:35,444 --> 01:03:37,547 There is not legitimate basis, 923 01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:40,383 in science, in medicine, in ethics, 924 01:03:40,416 --> 01:03:41,884 or for that matter, the Bible, 925 01:03:41,918 --> 01:03:45,087 for discriminating or distinguishing among people 926 01:03:45,121 --> 01:03:47,590 based upon the substance they put in their body. 927 01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:36,192 We have Jesus lizards, right, 928 01:06:36,225 --> 01:06:38,027 we got big-ass lizards out here, don't we? 929 01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:38,894 Yeah. 930 01:06:38,928 --> 01:06:41,697 Yeah, and we got lots of pretty birds. 931 01:06:41,731 --> 01:06:42,832 - Yeah. - Yeah. 932 01:06:42,865 --> 01:06:45,368 And we can see all the stars in the sky at night, right? 933 01:06:45,401 --> 01:06:48,204 There's no light pollution at all, right? 934 01:06:48,237 --> 01:06:50,873 We hear chickens and roosters. 935 01:06:50,906 --> 01:06:54,744 - Yeah. - Yeah, we see goats and cows. 936 01:06:54,777 --> 01:06:56,545 Your home should be your sanctuary, you know. 937 01:06:56,579 --> 01:06:58,114 And I just found my sanctuary. 938 01:06:58,147 --> 01:07:00,549 You know, we worked our asses off to get it. 939 01:07:00,583 --> 01:07:03,452 My family deserved all of my fucking dedication and 940 01:07:03,486 --> 01:07:06,322 all of my time and... 941 01:07:06,355 --> 01:07:07,990 This is where my-- This is what I do 942 01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:09,658 for my recovery, you know what I mean? 943 01:07:09,692 --> 01:07:11,660 Once I, once I got it, like, 944 01:07:11,694 --> 01:07:14,497 there was no way anybody was gonna take it from me... 945 01:07:14,530 --> 01:07:17,166 'Cause I get to come home to do this all day, 946 01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:18,834 you know what I mean? 947 01:07:21,237 --> 01:07:26,675 What are we gonna do today? 948 01:07:26,709 --> 01:07:30,346 Huh? Hey. 949 01:07:30,379 --> 01:07:32,748 We're gonna change the world. 950 01:07:32,782 --> 01:07:34,683 We are gonna change the world, right? 951 01:07:34,717 --> 01:07:36,419 - Yeah. - Yeah. 952 01:07:49,598 --> 01:07:51,600 Huh? 953 01:08:35,611 --> 01:08:37,179 As of now, they covered the, 954 01:08:37,213 --> 01:08:38,347 covered the body. 955 01:08:38,380 --> 01:08:41,517 But later, when the crime scene investigator comes, 956 01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:43,252 they will open, open the... 957 01:08:43,285 --> 01:08:46,589 remove the carton. 958 01:08:46,622 --> 01:08:49,525 What the family is saying is... 959 01:08:49,558 --> 01:08:53,362 What the people are saying was there were kids playing here, 960 01:08:53,395 --> 01:08:54,930 playing here, and all of a sudden, 961 01:08:54,964 --> 01:08:58,534 these three guys who came in just shooed them away. 962 01:08:58,567 --> 01:09:01,203 After that, they heard gun shots. 963 01:09:01,237 --> 01:09:05,174 It has become normal for, for... 964 01:09:05,207 --> 01:09:07,476 the neighbourhood to see dead bodies. 965 01:09:20,523 --> 01:09:22,825 Sorry. 966 01:09:30,599 --> 01:09:32,067 It's nothing new here. 967 01:09:32,101 --> 01:09:34,403 He was just sitting outside along the street, 968 01:09:34,436 --> 01:09:37,072 and he was shot by a motorcycle gunman. 969 01:09:57,059 --> 01:09:59,695 How can you not be angry? 970 01:11:22,911 --> 01:11:28,550 I was told just because I said in a press conference 971 01:11:28,584 --> 01:11:31,754 that not all users are addicts, 972 01:11:31,787 --> 01:11:36,091 and somebody messaged me and said that 973 01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:39,795 he hoped that my daughter would get raped 974 01:11:39,828 --> 01:11:45,401 by a drug, by a drug addict. 975 01:11:45,434 --> 01:11:49,438 So that kind of violence, so it's not just-- 976 01:11:49,471 --> 01:11:52,574 For me, it's, it's not just about the violence 977 01:11:52,608 --> 01:11:59,248 against users, but it's the message that you can... 978 01:11:59,281 --> 01:12:02,918 cure problems by just killing. 979 01:12:07,389 --> 01:12:10,859 They don't understand that it's really just, they-- 980 01:12:10,893 --> 01:12:13,896 what they need to focus on is poverty, 981 01:12:13,929 --> 01:12:17,066 but they're choosing to fight the wrong war. 982 01:12:38,921 --> 01:12:42,291 Most of these cases won't, won't be resolved. 983 01:12:42,324 --> 01:12:48,097 They will be just numbers and statistics of the killings. 984 01:12:48,130 --> 01:12:51,467 With this kind of impunity that's happening right here 985 01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,570 in the country, I don't see justice. 986 01:12:54,603 --> 01:12:56,772 I don't see anybody getting justice 987 01:12:56,805 --> 01:12:59,108 during his administration. 988 01:13:28,337 --> 01:13:30,005 Pender Island is the right place for me 989 01:13:30,038 --> 01:13:33,442 to finish up the story. 990 01:13:33,475 --> 01:13:36,311 This whole island was logged. 991 01:13:36,345 --> 01:13:39,114 But, but now it's in recovery and, 992 01:13:39,148 --> 01:13:41,784 and we have this, this second growth forest, 993 01:13:41,817 --> 01:13:43,652 which is, which is good to us. 994 01:13:43,685 --> 01:13:46,288 This is all second growth. And yet, 995 01:13:46,321 --> 01:13:50,459 it makes, it makes a beautiful forest. 996 01:13:50,492 --> 01:13:56,298 You could say that, that I have found Rat Park here. 997 01:13:56,331 --> 01:13:59,001 We've got to do something to make 998 01:13:59,034 --> 01:14:02,971 the modern world more habitable. How are we gonna do that? 999 01:14:03,005 --> 01:14:05,073 Well, I think it might be different in Portugal and 1000 01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:08,110 it might be different in the Philippines, 1001 01:14:08,143 --> 01:14:11,613 but I think that where we are right now is, 1002 01:14:11,647 --> 01:14:14,983 is in the stage of awareness. 1003 01:14:15,017 --> 01:14:18,086 That's why, you know, I do what I do. 1004 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,589 We want to make sure people are thinking because 1005 01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:25,427 once people start to think, it decreases the likelihood 1006 01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:29,631 that you will implement policies and practices 1007 01:14:29,665 --> 01:14:33,101 that result in the disproportionate 1008 01:14:33,135 --> 01:14:35,804 poor treatment of any groups. 1009 01:14:35,838 --> 01:14:39,308 When people start to understand how dirty the game is, 1010 01:14:39,341 --> 01:14:41,844 and how the game is not based on science 1011 01:14:41,877 --> 01:14:46,114 or pharmacology, then they're starting to think. 1012 01:14:46,148 --> 01:14:50,953 For me, my punch line is a core principle, 1013 01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:56,625 and that core principle is that nobody deserves to be 1014 01:14:56,658 --> 01:15:01,029 punished or discriminated against or amongst 1015 01:15:01,063 --> 01:15:06,602 based solely upon the substance they put into their body. 1016 01:15:22,618 --> 01:15:24,453 Toot-toot. 1017 01:15:25,854 --> 01:15:28,624 Maybe sometimes I feel a little bit guilty because 1018 01:15:28,657 --> 01:15:31,093 we are pressed to feel that. 1019 01:15:31,126 --> 01:15:33,829 We are pressed to feel we are doing something very wrong, 1020 01:15:33,862 --> 01:15:36,298 very criminal, very bad. 1021 01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:41,169 There will always be drugs, so if you want to 1022 01:15:41,203 --> 01:15:43,605 solve as much as possible the problem, 1023 01:15:43,639 --> 01:15:49,111 you just have to change the, the attitude, period. 1024 01:15:49,144 --> 01:15:52,281 And then, we'll solve all the other possible problems 1025 01:15:52,314 --> 01:15:54,316 that will appear as we solved with cigarettes, 1026 01:15:54,349 --> 01:15:57,853 with alcohol, with... with food. 1027 01:15:57,886 --> 01:16:01,290 And maybe for coincidence, I live in a country 1028 01:16:01,323 --> 01:16:05,127 where things are changing and it's incredible. 1029 01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,586 During the earlier days when the killings started, 1030 01:16:30,619 --> 01:16:34,256 it's more of a photojournalistic work. 1031 01:16:34,289 --> 01:16:36,658 We look for the light; we look for the composition; 1032 01:16:36,692 --> 01:16:38,827 we look for the angles. 1033 01:16:38,860 --> 01:16:43,932 But, right now, it really has taken a toll on me. 1034 01:16:43,966 --> 01:16:47,002 A lot of my friends say that I have to take a break 1035 01:16:47,035 --> 01:16:49,938 because I'm already breaking down, 1036 01:16:49,972 --> 01:16:53,475 I'm on the verge of breaking down. 1037 01:16:53,508 --> 01:16:57,446 But, the problem is, there are less and less of us 1038 01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,116 documenting this and how can we take a break? 1039 01:17:03,518 --> 01:17:06,054 I've seen a lot of horrific photos, 1040 01:17:06,088 --> 01:17:08,457 but I don't think that... 1041 01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:11,093 images of the victims haunt me. 1042 01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:13,428 What haunts me more is... 1043 01:17:13,462 --> 01:17:16,431 the knowledge of the killings are still continuing 1044 01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:18,233 and it will still continue 1045 01:17:18,266 --> 01:17:21,136 as long as Duterte is still in office. 1046 01:17:36,451 --> 01:17:38,820 Let's go put your book in the car, okay. 1047 01:17:38,854 --> 01:17:41,623 I want to read it in the car. 1048 01:17:41,657 --> 01:17:43,291 You can read it in the car. 1049 01:17:45,193 --> 01:17:47,462 Hold my hand. 1050 01:17:47,496 --> 01:17:50,499 You know, there has been a dramatic change, 1051 01:17:50,532 --> 01:17:53,769 and I do credit Justin with that. 1052 01:17:53,802 --> 01:17:56,171 And I have watched Justin at many meetings 1053 01:17:56,204 --> 01:17:59,675 piss off people to no end. 1054 01:17:59,708 --> 01:18:02,144 I mean, God bless him for doing it. 1055 01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:03,945 So many lives have been saved. 1056 01:18:03,979 --> 01:18:06,048 What's up, bro? 1057 01:18:06,081 --> 01:18:08,116 You doing alright? 1058 01:18:08,150 --> 01:18:10,252 Alright, bro... 1059 01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:11,620 No worries, dude. 1060 01:18:11,653 --> 01:18:13,755 If the people who were in my situation, 1061 01:18:13,789 --> 01:18:17,292 if everybody is not treated equally 1062 01:18:17,325 --> 01:18:19,728 under the eyes of the whole community, 1063 01:18:19,761 --> 01:18:22,631 then we failed as a fucking community. 1064 01:18:22,664 --> 01:18:24,800 I, I need help, man. I'm like really having a hard time. 1065 01:18:24,833 --> 01:18:27,135 I got you, bro. Don't worry about it; I got you. 1066 01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:28,236 - Alright, cool. - You're good. 1067 01:18:28,270 --> 01:18:29,404 - Thank you, bro. - You're good, yeah. 1068 01:18:29,438 --> 01:18:30,238 Alright, brother. 1069 01:18:30,272 --> 01:18:31,573 When I got put in a position that 1070 01:18:31,606 --> 01:18:33,975 I could do something about it, I did. 1071 01:18:34,009 --> 01:18:35,911 You know, I, I-- we can't sit around and 1072 01:18:35,944 --> 01:18:37,479 wait on the government. 1073 01:18:37,512 --> 01:18:39,414 Maybe for one person, 1074 01:18:39,448 --> 01:18:41,583 I know that somebody doesn't have to go through 1075 01:18:41,616 --> 01:18:44,419 the same shit that I went through in my community. 80038

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