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I had no intention of being
in the field of addiction.
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I was in the field of
experimental psychology.
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In 1970, I was the
youngest member of the
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Faculty of Psychology at
Simon Fraser University.
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And the youngest guy gets
to teach the course that
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nobody else wants to teach,
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and that course was
called Social Issues.
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Vancouver was in the midst
of an addiction crisis and
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that meant I had to
teach about addiction.
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I mean, I knew
nothing about addiction.
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Well, my life changed
one day when
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a student in the back of the
class raised his hand...
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And said, "Haven't you
heard about the rats?"
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We based a whole
science on isolated rats,
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a prison cell of
isolation cages.
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They looked lethargic.
They're not doing anything.
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They're given spouts on the
wall where they can
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drink a presentation
of fluids: water
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or, morphine.
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They consume a
lot of morphine,
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so much that they die.
They actually starve to death.
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So, Rat Park was
an experiment.
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Maybe if we give the same
number of rats a place to
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live in that's comfortable,
maybe they wouldn't
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take as much of the dope.
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We built a big...
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place, with plywood walls.
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Which was basically designed
as a heaven for rats to live in,
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and we called it Rat Park.
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And what they've
got there is lots of
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other rats to scamper
around with and
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they got lots of opportunity
for social activities,
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and the walls are painted
so that we have
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a beautiful
British Columbia forest,
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which we all love.
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And then,
we gave them the choice:
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they could have water or
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they could continue
to drink the morphine.
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We got these
results consistently,
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that the rats in Rat Park
didn't like the morphine.
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The finding is
absolutely clear
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that the rats in isolation
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drink a lot more morphine than
the rats in Rat Park.
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I don't think we can
understand drug addiction
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by starting with drugs.
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I mean, drugs, of course,
are essential to drug addiction,
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but the larger picture
has to...
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has to matter.
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You know, when people
have a drug problem,
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the easiest thing is
to blame the drug;
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that must be the reason.
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If they weren't using
that drug, you know,
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their lives
would be all together.
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And it's very hard for
people to kind of
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go to that deeper level.
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Sometimes, focusing on the
bigger social problems -
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unemployment,
lack of opportunity,
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poor education - well,
those are big problems.
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When you take
the metaphor that,
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that sort of emerges from
the Rat Park research and say,
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well, now, how might that
be true among human beings
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'cause rats are rats and
people are people?
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Rat Park shows us that
we simply can't
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understand addiction
without understanding
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the environment that
a person is in.
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Even as we see progress
on harm reduction and
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drug policy reform,
the majority of nations,
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in Asia, and sprinkled
around the rest of the world,
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they're still in
the dark ages.
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Philippines is a
contrast for me.
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It's a contrast
between a rich,
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beautiful country
with resilient people,
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but at the same time,
a country so poor that
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the people are left with
no sense of governance.
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But the Filipino people have
shown that there are
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limits to the Filipino
people's patience.
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I first heard about crystal meth
in the late 90s.
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It was called the
poor man's cocaine.
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This is one of the poorest
communities here in the country.
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This area was designed by
former Imelda Marcos
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as a resettlement area, so
people from the provinces
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come here and the
port is nearby,
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so when they get here,
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they don't have a
place to go to and...
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This is so most--
where most of them stay.
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The drug situation here in
the country is endemic and
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mostly in the
poor communities,
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especially with meth because
they are the target market.
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Who are these people?
Why are they using?
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They are under educated
and many of them were
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doing it not just for
recreation purposes,
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some were doing it for
productivity purposes
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because it would allow
them to wash clothes;
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it would allow them
to take double jobs;
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it would allow
them to stay awake.
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Right now, you wouldn't want
to be in the Philippines
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if you're a drug user
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because it's not about
treatment here,
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it's really
about punishment.
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So we are a country
in search of itself.
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It's a work in progress.
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So when Duterte came
into power in June 2016,
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he declared the
war against drugs.
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Nobody actually knew
what that meant...
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until the killings began.
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Drugs and corruption,
maybe, and crime...
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have so devastated
the country that
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a populist leader who promises
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to eliminate drugs
in six months,
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is the hope of
the country.
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He rode on the
people's discontent.
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And from mayor,
somebody broached
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the idea of running
for president.
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Unfortunate because he
never learned that there are
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things that you do in a
certain city that
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you cannot do for the
entire country.
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The drug war that we are
experiencing right now,
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I think that's a
perfect example of
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a country that is
still maturing.
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The people are just fed up
with traditional politicians,
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all promises of big politicians,
nothing happens.
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Here comes a guy who
promised change and
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his way of solving change is
different from the others.
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There's a lot of...
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"Anyone who uses
drugs is an addict."
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"All addicts are criminal."
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He's the first politician to
offer in a presidential election
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that, "I will kill
drug addicts."
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It shocked us.
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And then we realized
it's war against people.
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And that's when we
began scrambling.
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Florida has always been,
like, con central.
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Like, if you want to fucking
start a con-ass business,
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you go to Florida.
Like, insurance fraud,
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you want to do
Medicaid fraud,
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or phone room scams,
time share scams,
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you come to Florida, right.
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It's just always
been that way.
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And, the nature of people,
the nature of capitalism,
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and the nature of...
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I think that,
this hustler spirit that,
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that a lot of folks
have in America,
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is that if there's a way for
me to fucking make
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a lot of money I'm gonna do it.
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And, that's what happened.
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It, it's just like,
it's a culmination of,
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I think, a lot of,
of things,
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and I think Florida,
at that time,
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was just a perfect storm.
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What you had in Florida
was this loose regulation,
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anybody could open a
clinic and treat pain.
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Anybody.
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What you had were these
unregulated pain clinics
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opening up
nearly everywhere.
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You, essentially,
would go in and
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you would pay somebody
cash to get an MRI.
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They would do an MRI, and as
long as you went in with the
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MRI to the pain clinic,
the doctors there
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would prescribe you, um...
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pretty much
whatever you wanted.
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Back in 2010 and 2011,
we had more pain clinics
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in Florida than McDonald's
and Walmart's, combined.
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And then, all you needed for the
perfect storm was to have
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a ready supply
of retired doctors,
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looking to write scripts
to make some extra money.
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What state had more retired
doctors than Florida?
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While other states
developed tougher laws to
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restrict these pills, Florida,
it was open season.
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We didn't really
have any laws.
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It was really bad,
like, you could,
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you could drive down certain
streets and just see,
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like, lines out the door,
armed guards.
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They could walk out
with prescriptions,
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not for hundreds of pills,
but thousands of pills.
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Manufacturers got
big profits and
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distributors got big profits;
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the doctors were
making big money;
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the users were
getting their high.
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Until it all came
crashing down.
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We tightened the supply.
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We made it much harder to
get oxycodone and other pills.
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But what happened
to the demand;
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the demand didn't go away.
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The demand
moved to a cheaper,
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more accessible
alternative: heroin.
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And today's heroin is not
your father's heroin anymore.
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This is heroin,
too often spiked with
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cheap, potent
Chinese Fentanyl.
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The fact that the people in
government and
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law enforcement who
shut down these pill mills
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didn't have the foresight to
see the addiction crisis
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was gonna go to the street,
that addicts were gonna
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go to the street now;
that's the problem.
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Why does this continue?
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You know, we had methamphetamine
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immediately before this,
crack before that.
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We need to keep this going
in order to justify the
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existence of this
drug war machine.
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And so,
after the opioid's over,
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there'll be something else.
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You can't solve this problem
by a bunch of suits
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in an ivory tower.
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You need to get on
the ground floor,
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you need to get
on the streets,
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you need to talk to people
who know what's really going on.
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Hey... hey!
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Go get it.
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Get!
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Worst fucking
fetch player on earth.
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He's got heart cancer now.
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Him going through it
was legit, like,
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one of the hardest things
I ever had to deal with
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in my fucking life.
I deal with, like,
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overdoses and
I deal with, like,
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hearing about people
in our community dying and...
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It's not very personal a lot
of times just because it,
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it's hard to...
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internalize that kind
of stuff when it's, like, a,
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a normalized part
of your job, um...
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So you almost have to, like,
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keep it kind of compartmentalized.
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You know, I, I had my own
history with drug use and,
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and mental health, and...
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When I was homeless, I,
I went to The Lord's Place
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to get food vouchers.
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I went there to get clothes
to interview because
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I didn't have any.
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And what I found is that
there was always this stigma
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and this belief
held over me that, like,
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I had to prove
how much I wanted help.
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Yeah, we get
you're homeless,
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we get that, fucking,
you don't have any access
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to healthcare or
anything else, but really,
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we need to talk
about you smoking crack.
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You know what; fuck you.
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I don't think people quite
understand the shame and,
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and the guilt and all of
that stuff that folks have to
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fucking go through just
to be able to show up to say,
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"Hey, I need
help with that," right?
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And I think it's much easier
for me to help drug users
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when the very act of
existing is not illegal,
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and that's essentially
what drug laws are.
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They make the very
act of existing,
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for a drug user,
their day-to-day life,
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is illegal.
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They criminalize the
person and that's a,
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that's really
fucked up concept.
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The longer that the
sort of old thinking,
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the old way of
thinking about drugs,
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is perpetuated, it just
means the more we're gonna
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suffer higher levels of
addiction and that's why,
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you know, moving towards
drug policies grounded in
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science and compassion,
health, and human rights,
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is so pivotally important.
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I never liked the term
"War on Drugs".
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Because a war, it's supposed
to have a beginning and an end.
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In the end,
you either win it or lose it.
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The problem with
War on Drugs is that
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you will never get an end to it.
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There will be new substances
coming up every day,
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or every month,
or every year.
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So, we do not know
what's ahead of us.
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What we know is that
it's not going to end.
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We are not going to
solve this problem,
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but there's a lot of
ways we can manage it.
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The major problem we had
back in the 80s and 90s
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was heroin usage.
Mostly injected heroin usage
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with all the HIV infection
involved and hepatitis
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due to the lemon juice
used in shooting heroin,
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and that was the,
the main reason that
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led the government
to change the policy.
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We see people that use
drugs as victims of a crime.
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The crime being the
crime of the drug smugglers,
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the drug traffickers.
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They are the real criminals.
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We went for, we went
for the whole thing.
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We changed everything.
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I believe that these new laws
can provide a new solution.
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We are not creating any
better conditions for
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consumption in Portugal,
we are just creating
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better conditions for people who
are drug addicts and need help.
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We were lucky.
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Come on.
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I like the idea of art.
I like those things.
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I like materials.
I like colours.
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I like shapes.
I like techniques.
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But, in general,
classic art, I don't like.
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Modern art, I don't...
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I don't know if I like because
I don't know what it is.
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Eh...
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I like doing things.
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You can say ceramics,
it's an art.
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It's different, of all the
ceramics are made by artists.
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Sometimes people ask,
"Are you an artist? Oh!"
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Understand?
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Why don't they ask,
"Are a you very good...
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or very happy potter?"
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Yes, I am.
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You see,
sometimes I do the stuff,
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but then I need to
go out, wherever,
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and I leave it and
I don't finish them.
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21, I began my, my place,
working in ceramics.
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24, I was technician of
ceramics in the University of...
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Architecture, in the design,
industrial course,
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for years,
always using drugs.
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I teached in a school, pottery,
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always having my
own potter business.
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This is 1995. There were
no half-pipe, nothing.
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There was no BMX
in Lisbon, and so,
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we made the first
half-pipe in Lisbon,
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I'm in the newspaper.
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So this photo is
from a professional.
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This is a Roland MC-303,
it's a sequencer.
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Synthesize sequencer, to make
"doo-doo-doo-doo-doo".
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I sell it for two grams
of crack.
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This were photos I took
for purpose, it was to,
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to give to an agent because
sometimes I wanted to
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do figuration, so
you need photos for them.
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And these, these I really
love it 'cause it's my daddy.
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I really like my expression.
I like all the things,
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and it's 19... 1977.
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There are guys, I think,
like me. I get addicted,
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and now it's difficult to go out
because I still want to use it.
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That's the question;
you're not even addicted
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to one drug, you're addicted
to alterated states.
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And that's the, the balance
and the fight between
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crack, heroin, methadone.
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Cannot feel like a criminal,
so I must show
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I don't feel like I'm
doing a crime.
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When I think about addiction,
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I think about the work of
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one of my favourite Canadians,
of Bruce Alexander.
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He showed that rats raised
in an enriched environment
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are far less likely to take
drugs than rats raised in
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a barren or
desolate environment.
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We thought we'd bring that
idea to the human laboratory.
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We tested the impact of
having an alternative reinforcer
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or an attractive alternative
to cocaine, crack-cocaine,
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as a choice, so we allow
people to either take
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a certain amount of money or
take a hit of crack cocaine.
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And what you find is that
when your alternative is
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high enough or
attractive enough,
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like the amount of
money is large enough,
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you would get those folks
actually choosing money
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over their drug of choice.
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Just shows that
people behave rationally,
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even people who use drugs,
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even people who we
call drug addicts.
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This work grew out of the
work of Bruce Alexander
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who did this sort
of work in rats.
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You can only learn so
much by studying rats and
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we found something that
I think was important.
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I mean, what's surprising
is how active rats are in,
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in society.
They're always busy,
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except the occasional
moment for meditation.
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But, but, basically,
they're always busy and
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rats in cages are not busy,
they've got nothing to do.
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They got no life.
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Well, that seems like a
pretty good metaphor.
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I spent the rest of my
career trying to figure out
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where that metaphor goes.
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Under what conditions
would people adopt
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a self-destructive addiction?
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I think that the answer
lies along the lines that
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everybody would choose
to have a healthful,
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happy life, but what
if that's blocked?
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You know, most people who
are opioid addicts are not
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in cages, but maybe the
cages are a metaphor;
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maybe there are
cages we don't see.
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In understanding addiction,
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it's about the culture in
which we're living.
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The Philippines is a very
sad situation because
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here you have an
outrageous leader, Duterte,
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and he's engaging in an
extrajudicial war on drugs,
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basically telling security
forces and police that
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they should feel free
to kill anybody that they
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think's involved in drugs at all
and he'll have their back.
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The thing that's so
tragic about this,
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it's not just the loss of
life and a sense of terror,
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it's also that his policy is
supported by a
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majority of the population,
so far as we can tell.
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People are afraid...
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But there, there is work
being done on the ground
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to document the killings
because the sentiment is,
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one day, when this
leader steps down,
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he will get his due.
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00:29:36,508 --> 00:29:40,612
The battle for reforms in
this country cannot just be
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conducted in the courts,
not just in Congress,
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00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:46,284
but also in the streets.
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00:30:16,848 --> 00:30:19,417
But, we already
know that, ah...
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the victim has been killed.
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00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:23,154
Off-screen:
How do you know that?
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00:30:23,188 --> 00:30:25,323
We-- I also cover that area.
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00:30:25,356 --> 00:30:29,594
We are doing
investigative work there.
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00:30:33,131 --> 00:30:35,166
It was the foreign media
who branded us as,
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00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,668
"night crawlers".
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00:30:36,701 --> 00:30:39,003
Actually, the group
doesn't really have a name.
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00:30:39,037 --> 00:30:41,105
We're just a group of...
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00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:42,774
journalists and photojournalists
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00:30:42,807 --> 00:30:47,445
who've tried to share our
information and to get leads.
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00:31:06,331 --> 00:31:10,235
We didn't have much time to
gather a lot of information,
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00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:14,405
but back in 2017,
we started to do more of
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00:31:14,439 --> 00:31:19,244
an investigative way of
documenting things.
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00:31:19,277 --> 00:31:23,114
And, that's where we found a
lot of inconsistencies with
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00:31:23,147 --> 00:31:26,751
what they claim to
be police operations.
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00:31:31,689 --> 00:31:35,627
Word on the street is that
there's this group called
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00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:38,129
the Davao Death Squad,
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00:31:38,162 --> 00:31:40,498
and these are, I guess,
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00:31:40,531 --> 00:31:44,168
policemen who
are doing the killings.
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00:31:44,202 --> 00:31:47,605
So, you have a rider,
you have a...
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00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:50,775
the person with the gun,
they drive by,
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00:31:50,808 --> 00:31:53,144
they shoot a
particular person
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00:31:53,177 --> 00:31:56,614
who's reported to be a pusher.
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00:31:56,648 --> 00:31:58,283
When somebody
kills somebody,
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00:31:58,316 --> 00:32:01,819
it's just killing.
It's just murder, you know.
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00:32:01,853 --> 00:32:04,088
But if government
conducts the killings
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00:32:04,122 --> 00:32:05,890
that's extrajudicial killings.
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00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:07,292
This, ah...
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00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:10,795
that's how the police
operatives look like.
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00:32:10,828 --> 00:32:14,065
They... you don't
see their faces.
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00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:16,601
They wear shorts, t-shirt,
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00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:18,803
and that's where they
keep their guns.
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00:32:18,836 --> 00:32:20,605
They have these sling bags.
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00:32:22,173 --> 00:32:25,443
Oh, I was there.
I took it from the hip.
427
00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,282
Yeah.
428
00:32:34,686 --> 00:32:39,991
It is very important that we
got to know Orly much better
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00:32:40,024 --> 00:32:42,593
because through him,
we get a lot of access to
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00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:44,629
the contact details
of the families,
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00:32:44,662 --> 00:32:47,098
where to look for them,
where the wake is,
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00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:50,435
where to search
for the families.
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00:34:27,365 --> 00:34:30,334
According to the spot report,
the police claim that
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00:34:30,368 --> 00:34:32,503
they found meth on he--
on this body,
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00:34:32,537 --> 00:34:39,744
but the gunman was an
unidentified motorcycle gunman.
436
00:34:39,777 --> 00:34:43,514
There were no witnesses in
identifying the assailants.
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00:34:43,548 --> 00:34:44,849
This is very hard.
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00:34:44,882 --> 00:34:47,685
How do we start with
the investigation or...
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00:34:47,718 --> 00:34:50,855
where do we start
with the investigation?
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00:34:50,888 --> 00:34:53,558
The victim was already--
He surrendered.
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00:34:53,591 --> 00:34:57,361
He surrendered in 2016,
under the drug watch list.
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00:34:57,395 --> 00:34:59,197
That same day,
on November 1,
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00:34:59,230 --> 00:35:03,134
they did a random
drug test on him.
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00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:06,170
Well, we, we won't know
what the result was,
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00:35:06,204 --> 00:35:10,007
but after, past midnight,
he was killed.
446
00:35:22,353 --> 00:35:24,889
There is only Fentanyl
available in Florida.
447
00:35:24,922 --> 00:35:27,558
If you try to buy heroin,
it is only a Fentanyl
448
00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:31,662
or a Fentanyl analogue.
449
00:35:31,696 --> 00:35:33,531
This is Florida.
We've already established
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00:35:33,564 --> 00:35:36,334
the canary in the coal mine
status, right?
451
00:35:36,367 --> 00:35:40,338
In all of Florida, there is only
one needle exchange program.
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00:35:40,371 --> 00:35:44,041
It's a pilot program,
the state refuses to pay for it.
453
00:35:44,075 --> 00:35:46,177
We're not looking at
the science again.
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00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:47,879
- Welcome.
- Thanks, dude.
455
00:35:47,912 --> 00:35:49,680
How you doing?
It's good to see you.
456
00:35:49,714 --> 00:35:52,850
You too.
You want to go upstairs?
457
00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:54,352
So, in the whole state
of Florida right now,
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00:35:54,385 --> 00:35:58,389
it's you, Sun Coast Harm
Reduction Project, and us.
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00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:00,024
- That's it?
- That's it.
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00:36:00,057 --> 00:36:01,259
In this entire state,
I mean, that's--
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00:36:01,292 --> 00:36:03,628
- Whole state.
- Unbelievable.
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00:36:09,567 --> 00:36:12,003
This is the IDEA Exchange.
We're the first
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00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:14,805
legal needle exchange program
in the state of Florida.
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00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:16,841
What we try to do is bring
harm reduction services
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00:36:16,874 --> 00:36:19,010
to the people of Miami.
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00:36:19,043 --> 00:36:21,646
The whole ethos of
harm reduction is about
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00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,482
meeting people where
they're at so they can
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00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:29,153
take a step at a time
towards a better life,
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00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:31,656
whether that better
life involves being
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00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:34,325
abstinent from drugs or
whether it means
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00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:36,527
still finding a
way to use drugs,
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00:36:36,561 --> 00:36:38,896
but in a way that's less
destructive for them and
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00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:40,498
the people around them.
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00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:42,833
You're not hanging down
on 14th and 2nd, right?
475
00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:44,702
- I wasn't today.
- No, no, no.
476
00:36:44,735 --> 00:36:48,539
We have just completely
neglected to implement
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00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:50,174
evidence-based strategies.
478
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,710
I mean, this is
not a radical thing.
479
00:36:52,743 --> 00:36:55,079
It's literally that
people do not care.
480
00:36:55,112 --> 00:36:59,083
Like, they, they do not care
about the people that we serve.
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00:36:59,116 --> 00:37:02,954
Just, and, I think would be
very upfront about that.
482
00:37:02,987 --> 00:37:06,958
We are decades behind,
but this isn't it.
483
00:37:06,991 --> 00:37:08,993
There were people doing
underground needle exchange
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00:37:09,026 --> 00:37:12,630
before we got the
authorized program.
485
00:37:12,663 --> 00:37:14,966
"Outlaw".
486
00:37:14,999 --> 00:37:16,801
It's about syringe exchange,
just doing, like,
487
00:37:16,834 --> 00:37:20,137
illegal syringe exchange.
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00:37:20,171 --> 00:37:22,707
Rebel Recovery is a harm
reduction organization at heart.
489
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:25,343
And mainly,
it's just meant to...
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00:37:25,376 --> 00:37:27,812
show compassion, love,
and understanding to
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00:37:27,845 --> 00:37:30,181
a population of individuals that
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00:37:30,214 --> 00:37:32,984
have been routinely
victimized and...
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00:37:33,017 --> 00:37:37,888
outcast from normal society.
494
00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,657
So, it was really just like a...
495
00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:43,527
a movement for drug users
by drug users.
496
00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:47,732
It's not driven by
what public policy says.
497
00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:52,837
If the government won't,
we will.
498
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:56,507
Interestingly, because of people
like Rebel Recovery and
499
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:58,876
the IDEA Exchange who put
Naloxone into the hands
500
00:37:58,909 --> 00:38:01,178
of people who need it,
the overdose rates in
501
00:38:01,212 --> 00:38:03,514
south Florida are actually
coming down for the first time
502
00:38:03,547 --> 00:38:05,950
since the closure
of the pill mills.
503
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,123
It's my first time being
invited to a meeting like this,
504
00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:15,126
not being arrested
previous to it.
505
00:38:16,727 --> 00:38:20,498
Ah, I appear to be the
only one who's actually had
506
00:38:20,531 --> 00:38:24,135
experience using substances,
and common sense would
507
00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:27,638
usually dictate that if you want
to know how to solve an issue,
508
00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:29,840
talk to the people who have
struggled with the issue.
509
00:38:31,676 --> 00:38:34,645
Mr... Mr. Kunzelman.
510
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:36,847
So, this is, this is
our Naloxone
511
00:38:36,881 --> 00:38:38,716
for community distribution.
512
00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:42,153
So, it's a nasal spray,
inserted into the nostril.
513
00:38:44,755 --> 00:38:47,391
That's a live dose I just
put in my nose.
514
00:38:47,425 --> 00:38:50,061
So, when Naloxone's
introduced in a system,
515
00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:52,663
it rushes to the site
of opiate receptors,
516
00:38:52,697 --> 00:38:54,732
boots out whatever
opiate is in there,
517
00:38:54,765 --> 00:38:58,235
removes the effect of the
opiates on the person's body.
518
00:38:58,269 --> 00:39:01,906
Last month, we... reported--
519
00:39:01,939 --> 00:39:04,775
we had 51 reversals
reported to us
520
00:39:04,809 --> 00:39:08,446
directly from the Naloxone
that we distribute.
521
00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:11,015
There's just, there's no
greater act of compassion
522
00:39:11,048 --> 00:39:15,119
than telling somebody
that you accept them for,
523
00:39:15,152 --> 00:39:17,121
for exactly where they are
and that you see them
524
00:39:17,154 --> 00:39:19,523
as a human and that
you're willing to do
525
00:39:19,557 --> 00:39:21,625
whatever it takes to
keep them safe...
526
00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:26,797
until they're ready to make
positive changes in their life.
527
00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:30,501
Harm reduction, it's all
about trying to reduce the
528
00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:34,305
harms associated with drug use
by and among those people
529
00:39:34,338 --> 00:39:39,009
who are unable or unwilling
to stop using drugs today.
530
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,312
If you ask heroin addicts,
531
00:39:41,345 --> 00:39:43,180
"What's the toughest
drug to quit?"
532
00:39:43,214 --> 00:39:44,882
What do the majority say...?
533
00:39:44,915 --> 00:39:46,484
Cigarettes.
534
00:39:46,517 --> 00:39:50,688
Yet, on the other hand,
cigarette smoking has been
535
00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:53,891
cut by at least a half,
maybe much more than that now,
536
00:39:53,924 --> 00:39:57,828
since its peak, without
anybody ever relying on
537
00:39:57,862 --> 00:39:59,563
a criminal law, or police,
538
00:39:59,597 --> 00:40:01,832
or prosecutors, or prisons.
539
00:40:04,602 --> 00:40:07,571
We need to assume that the
public health system and
540
00:40:07,605 --> 00:40:10,408
the health system, generally,
is the way to deal with
541
00:40:10,441 --> 00:40:12,910
drug use and drug addiction.
542
00:40:17,782 --> 00:40:21,352
There's a lot of people taking
pills for allergies, right.
543
00:40:21,385 --> 00:40:23,521
They have to take a pill
every day in the morning
544
00:40:23,554 --> 00:40:26,357
otherwise they will not be
able to function normally.
545
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:29,393
That pill is a, is a
substitution drug, right,
546
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,695
but people do not perceive it
as a problematic thing
547
00:40:31,729 --> 00:40:34,532
because it's done
under a medical environment.
548
00:40:34,565 --> 00:40:36,767
There's a medical doctor
that explains to the person
549
00:40:36,801 --> 00:40:39,703
that they are not
going to be cured,
550
00:40:39,737 --> 00:40:42,373
but nevertheless, there is a
treatment option that
551
00:40:42,406 --> 00:40:44,608
they can take for the
rest of their life.
552
00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:35,826
I don't trust in priests;
I don't trust in lawyers;
553
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:38,262
I don't trust in police.
554
00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,431
Mostly, I don't
trust in dealers.
555
00:41:40,464 --> 00:41:43,267
But these guys, I trust them
for sure, you know,
556
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:46,937
they are the best I have
at the moment.
557
00:41:46,971 --> 00:41:48,272
I really like
their attitude,
558
00:41:48,305 --> 00:41:51,942
their position of,
of the way they treat us.
559
00:41:51,976 --> 00:41:56,280
I was waiting for this a
long time ago and
560
00:41:56,313 --> 00:41:59,783
if this wasn't here, now,
I wouldn't be here.
561
00:41:59,817 --> 00:42:02,453
Probably I wouldn't--
I would have waken up
562
00:42:02,486 --> 00:42:05,389
two hours ago, very bad...
563
00:42:05,422 --> 00:42:07,224
on dependence of heroin.
564
00:42:07,258 --> 00:42:12,563
But now...
I can go work naturally.
565
00:42:12,596 --> 00:42:15,933
Rat Park is just a metaphor,
it's just rats.
566
00:42:15,966 --> 00:42:18,435
Human beings have,
have properties,
567
00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:21,405
which rats can't
possibly have,
568
00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:23,607
but it suggests something.
569
00:42:23,641 --> 00:42:26,410
Maybe it's the case that
570
00:42:26,443 --> 00:42:29,246
if rats are allowed
to develop their culture,
571
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,449
then opioids cease
to be a problem
572
00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:36,086
for a normal society.
573
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,290
Now, it doesn't mean that
the rats in Rat Park
574
00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:41,458
didn't drink any morphine
'cause they did,
575
00:42:41,492 --> 00:42:44,261
they drank a fair bit of it.
I mean, just a fraction of
576
00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:46,096
what they drank in the,
in the cages,
577
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:47,665
but every
once in a while,
578
00:42:47,698 --> 00:42:51,335
there was a rat
who did a lot.
579
00:42:51,368 --> 00:42:54,972
I began using drugs,
age 16, smoking hash.
580
00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:57,174
17, LSD.
581
00:42:57,207 --> 00:42:59,510
At 18, heroin,
I just try it,
582
00:42:59,543 --> 00:43:01,512
not to get addicted
because heroin,
583
00:43:01,545 --> 00:43:04,615
you must learn
to get addicted.
584
00:43:04,648 --> 00:43:08,385
19, 20...
sniff cocaine.
585
00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:10,387
22, smoked cocaine.
586
00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,056
Oh! Things change.
587
00:43:13,924 --> 00:43:16,627
After that, all together, woohoo,
588
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:19,129
and sleeping pills,
then depression.
589
00:43:19,163 --> 00:43:20,798
A high depression.
590
00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:23,601
All these mixed with
antipsychotic, hypnotic,
591
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:25,569
anti-depressive,
sleeping pills,
592
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,072
all that shit,
huh, for years.
593
00:43:28,105 --> 00:43:29,473
All that shit,
with all due respect,
594
00:43:29,506 --> 00:43:32,242
because they
help me treatment.
595
00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:34,645
Just have a little piece.
596
00:43:39,183 --> 00:43:42,119
This is already cooked.
597
00:43:42,152 --> 00:43:43,754
Because a few years ago,
598
00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:48,592
normally you don't buy it
prepared for smoke.
599
00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:50,761
I don't have too much.
600
00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:52,930
This little piece,
I already smoked.
601
00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:55,432
I buy it, 15 euros.
It depends on the place.
602
00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:57,935
Normally they sell it
at 10, already smoked.
603
00:43:57,968 --> 00:44:00,671
So, this small stuff,
it's more or less,
604
00:44:00,704 --> 00:44:03,207
it can be 10 euros,
ah, easy.
605
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,775
This is crack-cocaine.
606
00:44:04,808 --> 00:44:07,711
It's... it goes very, very fast.
607
00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:13,884
I smoked already today.
I smoke it every day,
608
00:44:13,917 --> 00:44:15,719
so it's not so...
609
00:44:15,753 --> 00:44:18,222
You are always looking for
the first experience again,
610
00:44:18,255 --> 00:44:19,957
obviously,
with all the drugs.
611
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:21,458
That's it, done.
612
00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:24,094
Even so, I don't know
if you notice, probably,
613
00:44:24,128 --> 00:44:25,629
I am changed, okay.
614
00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,731
And you become stupid,
and you become... you know.
615
00:44:27,765 --> 00:44:31,068
That's the problem of
cocaine and crack, mostly.
616
00:44:31,101 --> 00:44:33,404
Always the same problem.
617
00:44:33,437 --> 00:44:35,739
Are you getting high?
618
00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:38,242
It's not, you know,
10 years ago,
619
00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:40,077
if I was doing this,
I would have--
620
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:41,578
Just a minute, sorry.
621
00:44:41,612 --> 00:44:43,247
I have to prepare everything.
622
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,483
Somebody enters, blows
all this shit away.
623
00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:47,985
It's impossible.
624
00:44:48,018 --> 00:44:50,487
Imagine I couldn't get this.
The crack, it's the problem.
625
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:52,122
There's no
medicine for crack.
626
00:44:52,156 --> 00:44:54,124
The guy who invents
something like methadone,
627
00:44:54,158 --> 00:44:56,827
but for crack... success.
628
00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:58,629
Perfect, huh.
629
00:45:13,143 --> 00:45:15,779
News: Of course we have some
concerns that people may see
630
00:45:15,813 --> 00:45:20,718
the law as a license
for a free drug holiday,
631
00:45:20,751 --> 00:45:22,553
but it's still
illegal to take drugs,
632
00:45:22,586 --> 00:45:24,388
buy drugs, and sell them.
633
00:45:24,421 --> 00:45:26,457
It isn't a get out
of jail free card,
634
00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:28,759
and it certainly isn't,
come to Portugal,
635
00:45:28,792 --> 00:45:31,128
we're drug free.
636
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:35,399
We are a dissuasion commission,
637
00:45:35,432 --> 00:45:38,969
so we are not here to try to
prevent people from using drugs.
638
00:45:39,002 --> 00:45:41,105
What we try to do is try to
prevent people from
639
00:45:41,138 --> 00:45:43,674
misusing or abusing an
illicit substance.
640
00:46:27,351 --> 00:46:30,254
Portugal is not particularly
liberal about drugs and
641
00:46:30,287 --> 00:46:32,489
they don't feel all
that kindly towards
642
00:46:32,523 --> 00:46:34,424
their junkies,
their addicts.
643
00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:36,760
What Portugal did,
when all is said and done,
644
00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:38,829
was they said, "We're
making a commitment.
645
00:46:38,862 --> 00:46:42,099
We are not going to put
people in jail for
646
00:46:42,132 --> 00:46:43,934
simple drug use or possession.
647
00:46:43,967 --> 00:46:45,435
If they're really a bad guy,
648
00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:47,437
we'll catch 'em for
something else."
649
00:46:47,471 --> 00:46:50,340
If the rest of the world could
make a commitment like this--
650
00:46:50,374 --> 00:46:51,942
'cause remember,
the large majority of
651
00:46:51,975 --> 00:46:53,343
all drug arrests in
the world are for
652
00:46:53,377 --> 00:46:55,112
simple drug use and possession -
653
00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:58,649
I think the War on Drugs would
essentially dissolve.
654
00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:03,287
If someone is caught in
the possession of
655
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,454
an illicit substance,
656
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:06,723
the police officer apprehends
the substance,
657
00:47:06,757 --> 00:47:08,959
but instead of being
referred to a court of law
658
00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:11,228
under the
Ministry of Justice,
659
00:47:11,261 --> 00:47:13,430
they are referred to the
Ministry of Health because
660
00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:16,099
90% of drug users do it
because they like it and
661
00:47:16,133 --> 00:47:18,602
10% do it because they
are addicted to it.
662
00:47:18,635 --> 00:47:22,306
So, none of those sort
of users will stop using
663
00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:24,408
because a judge tells them
that what they are doing
664
00:47:24,441 --> 00:47:27,978
is a very wrong thing.
665
00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:32,082
Rat Park helps us
to understand that
666
00:47:32,115 --> 00:47:35,152
we cannot understand
drugs simply as
667
00:47:35,185 --> 00:47:36,820
something which
affects the brain and
668
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,455
changes a person
into an addict;
669
00:47:38,488 --> 00:47:42,759
that we must look at society
in a much broader way.
670
00:47:42,793 --> 00:47:45,128
I think it's very important
for people like me,
671
00:47:45,162 --> 00:47:48,765
psychologists, to realize
that we cannot treat our way
672
00:47:48,799 --> 00:47:50,334
out of the
addiction problem,
673
00:47:50,367 --> 00:47:52,936
and I also think that it
is important for
674
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:54,771
doctors to realize that.
675
00:47:54,805 --> 00:47:57,007
You know, people are
struggling to
676
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,276
try to give their life
some kind of meaning,
677
00:47:59,309 --> 00:48:01,178
some kind of center of gravity
678
00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:03,113
and they,
they latch onto addiction.
679
00:48:03,146 --> 00:48:05,883
But they're not sick:
they're desperate.
680
00:49:42,512 --> 00:49:45,115
These are the two that
were killed this morning.
681
00:50:15,979 --> 00:50:17,314
Yeah.
682
00:50:17,347 --> 00:50:21,985
On each body, they found
two sachets of shabu.
683
00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:25,122
It's kind of very ironic that
dead bodies are turning up
684
00:50:25,155 --> 00:50:29,292
with just 4 dollars'
worth of shabu on them,
685
00:50:29,326 --> 00:50:30,494
and they are dead.
686
00:50:30,527 --> 00:50:32,662
While, those people who
are engaging in
687
00:50:32,696 --> 00:50:37,801
importing billions'
worth of shabu...
688
00:50:37,834 --> 00:50:39,636
nowhere to be found.
689
00:50:39,669 --> 00:50:43,140
So, it's a pretty--
it's really unfair that
690
00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:45,342
these people who are
just mere users,
691
00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:50,814
are just...
are just getting killed.
692
00:50:50,847 --> 00:50:53,050
They have names
and faces and...
693
00:50:53,083 --> 00:50:55,318
they are
somebody's loved one.
694
00:50:55,352 --> 00:50:58,188
Hopefully, those photos,
when the time comes,
695
00:50:58,221 --> 00:51:00,157
somebody can
identify those photos,
696
00:51:00,190 --> 00:51:02,325
then give closure to
those families
697
00:51:02,359 --> 00:51:04,494
who are looking for them.
698
00:51:08,965 --> 00:51:12,002
They are usually
dropped off from a vehicle,
699
00:51:12,035 --> 00:51:13,804
brought down and shot.
700
00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:15,472
They wrap their
faces in plastic,
701
00:51:15,505 --> 00:51:17,941
in packaging tapes...
702
00:51:17,974 --> 00:51:20,277
And, ah...
leave cardboards on the,
703
00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:22,479
the dead bodies.
704
00:51:22,512 --> 00:51:24,448
It just states that,
"I'm a drug addict,
705
00:51:24,481 --> 00:51:27,517
I'm a drug pusher.
I'm a thief.
706
00:51:27,551 --> 00:51:30,620
Don't emulate me."
707
00:51:34,558 --> 00:51:36,827
We have a message that goes
against the message
708
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:39,196
of the government,
so they don't like that.
709
00:51:39,229 --> 00:51:42,532
They don't like that
we are not saying
710
00:51:42,566 --> 00:51:44,668
what they want us to say.
711
00:51:44,701 --> 00:51:47,471
And, so what we get
are threats.
712
00:51:47,504 --> 00:51:49,806
Sometimes you see
people following you.
713
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,644
Sometimes text messages
or threats.
714
00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:58,815
Does it make us fearful?
Of course, yes.
715
00:51:58,849 --> 00:52:02,986
And so, we've had to be
careful because I don't know...
716
00:52:03,019 --> 00:52:07,257
how it may affect
me or my family.
717
00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:11,761
You know, as they say,
so long as one is a monk,
718
00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:15,799
one has to go on
tolling the bell.
719
00:52:15,832 --> 00:52:19,803
There is almost 5,000 killed
in police operations and...
720
00:52:19,836 --> 00:52:23,673
maybe 25,000 killed that are
still under investigations;
721
00:52:23,707 --> 00:52:25,675
that's already 30,000.
722
00:52:25,709 --> 00:52:27,844
That number is
already very staggering.
723
00:52:27,878 --> 00:52:31,181
It could be
claimed as a genocide.
724
00:52:31,214 --> 00:52:33,950
Where have you seen that
somebody-- 30,000 people
725
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:37,621
getting killed because of
this so-called propaganda?
726
00:52:39,556 --> 00:52:41,124
During his visit to
the Philippines,
727
00:52:41,158 --> 00:52:42,959
President Donald Trump
sat down with
728
00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:45,328
President Rodrigo Duterte.
729
00:52:45,362 --> 00:52:48,131
Donald Trump has a friendlier
relationship with Duterte
730
00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:51,668
than his predecessor,
President Barack Obama.
731
00:52:51,701 --> 00:52:54,337
Obama condemned Duterte
for his violent response
732
00:52:54,371 --> 00:52:56,473
to the nation's drug problem.
733
00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,009
Human Rights Watch reports
that Duterte has authorized
734
00:52:59,042 --> 00:53:01,978
the killing of thousands of
suspected drug users and has
735
00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:06,116
vowed to protect police officers
from drug war prosecutions.
736
00:53:31,708 --> 00:53:34,311
Duterte told the audience
he sang upon the orders
737
00:53:34,344 --> 00:53:36,446
of President Trump.
738
00:53:41,818 --> 00:53:44,454
I do it with
Ms. Pilita Corrales
739
00:53:44,487 --> 00:53:47,657
upon the orders of the
commander in chief
740
00:53:47,691 --> 00:53:49,025
of the United States.
741
00:53:54,564 --> 00:53:59,636
Drug panics
blow on us like tsunamis.
742
00:53:59,669 --> 00:54:03,106
We distract ourselves by
paying too much attention
743
00:54:03,139 --> 00:54:04,908
to the panic of the moment
744
00:54:04,941 --> 00:54:08,745
and not enough attention
to the rising tide.
745
00:54:08,778 --> 00:54:10,647
We've got to look at it
in terms of
746
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,583
a much broader view of society.
747
00:54:16,286 --> 00:54:17,487
We have a heroin epidemic;
748
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,490
we've had people literally
dropping dead
749
00:54:20,523 --> 00:54:25,462
in Donald Trump's
figurative backyard.
750
00:54:25,495 --> 00:54:28,298
If you have a medical system
which is based on capitalism
751
00:54:28,331 --> 00:54:31,001
then, of course, there will be
predators involved.
752
00:54:31,034 --> 00:54:35,939
Florida is the recovery
capital of the world.
753
00:54:35,972 --> 00:54:38,942
The problem with treatment
in Florida is that
754
00:54:38,975 --> 00:54:41,978
it has been so
terribly regulated.
755
00:54:45,315 --> 00:54:47,017
I, I picked this, ah...
756
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:51,021
sober magazine up
in a coffee shop.
757
00:54:51,054 --> 00:54:52,822
And this is the crazy part:
the ads have very little
758
00:54:52,856 --> 00:54:56,826
to do with the actual
interventions or
759
00:54:56,860 --> 00:54:58,962
the modalities that
are being used.
760
00:54:58,995 --> 00:55:01,531
That's the start of the scam,
that's the tip of the spear,
761
00:55:01,564 --> 00:55:03,633
is when you see a
deceptive ad telling you
762
00:55:03,667 --> 00:55:05,969
to come down to
Heavenly Valley Recovery
763
00:55:06,002 --> 00:55:07,570
in Delray Beach, Florida.
764
00:55:07,604 --> 00:55:09,973
When, in reality, there
are no valleys in Delray Beach,
765
00:55:10,006 --> 00:55:11,741
and I'm sure wherever
you're going may not be
766
00:55:11,775 --> 00:55:16,313
very heavenly if you're basing
it merely on an advertisement.
767
00:55:16,346 --> 00:55:19,749
All that's shown is
like luxury beds.
768
00:55:19,783 --> 00:55:21,418
Like, it looks
like a hotel ad.
769
00:55:21,451 --> 00:55:23,820
You see "hope"
a lot as a buzz word.
770
00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:26,323
This is not a 30 to 90-day
thing we're talking about.
771
00:55:26,356 --> 00:55:27,791
This is somebody's life.
772
00:55:27,824 --> 00:55:30,927
None of it is,
is centered in...
773
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,431
in actual
evidence-based treatment.
774
00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:39,602
Paying to care for somebody
else's horses is accepted
775
00:55:39,636 --> 00:55:42,939
as a standard of care,
or as a selling point for
776
00:55:42,972 --> 00:55:46,810
a treatment facility, but the
idea that somebody could--
777
00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:49,446
should safe--
more safely use heroin,
778
00:55:49,479 --> 00:55:53,283
is bullshit in
this country, is...
779
00:55:53,316 --> 00:55:55,985
off, it's fucking maddening.
780
00:56:00,490 --> 00:56:03,093
This place laid the
foundation for me just as a,
781
00:56:03,126 --> 00:56:06,062
as a person, of like,
782
00:56:06,096 --> 00:56:09,399
the value of community
and hard work, and...
783
00:56:09,432 --> 00:56:12,736
you know, kindness.
784
00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:16,139
Everybody wants the visual
of a dude experiencing
785
00:56:16,172 --> 00:56:18,441
homelessness in a
fucking trench coat,
786
00:56:18,475 --> 00:56:21,411
who's living
under a bridge, like,
787
00:56:21,444 --> 00:56:23,780
jamming a spike
into his arm.
788
00:56:23,813 --> 00:56:28,485
In reality, drug use is a lot
more normalized than that,
789
00:56:28,518 --> 00:56:32,956
like, everybody gathers around
on a Friday afternoon
790
00:56:32,989 --> 00:56:38,428
after work to consume drugs
in large, large quantities.
791
00:56:38,461 --> 00:56:42,265
What is a bar but a safe
consumption site for alcohol?
792
00:56:42,298 --> 00:56:44,968
It's, it's a matter of...
793
00:56:45,001 --> 00:56:49,272
teaching people
that drug use is,
794
00:56:49,305 --> 00:56:52,108
is as American as...
795
00:56:52,142 --> 00:56:54,778
apple pie and baseball.
796
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:09,826
Portugal was called the,
"Portuguese Experiment,"
797
00:57:09,859 --> 00:57:13,062
for the first 10 years after
the change in the law.
798
00:57:13,096 --> 00:57:14,731
And along the way,
we started being called
799
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,866
the, "Portuguese Model."
800
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:19,836
For me, I felt like the
little mice running in the maze
801
00:57:19,869 --> 00:57:21,504
when we were an experiment.
802
00:57:21,538 --> 00:57:23,173
But now, I feel like the
little mice that
803
00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:25,008
actually got out of the maze.
804
00:57:25,041 --> 00:57:26,543
The problem is
that our maze,
805
00:57:26,576 --> 00:57:29,045
it's completely different
from all the other mazes.
806
00:57:29,078 --> 00:57:32,916
The only thing I think
people should copy from us
807
00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:34,717
was the way we did it.
808
00:57:34,751 --> 00:57:37,854
It's fairly easier for a
person to assume that
809
00:57:37,887 --> 00:57:40,590
they have an addiction problem
if along the way
810
00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:42,192
they do not have to assume that
811
00:57:42,225 --> 00:57:46,362
they also have a
criminal problem.
812
00:57:46,396 --> 00:57:49,699
For being in Portugal,
I think what makes my life
813
00:57:49,732 --> 00:57:53,536
as good as possible is
because I do what I want.
814
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:56,539
If I do what I want in
a place where I like,
815
00:57:56,573 --> 00:57:58,741
that's the perfect storm.
816
00:57:58,775 --> 00:58:01,878
I can ride my bike;
I can do pottery...
817
00:58:01,911 --> 00:58:06,483
So, if the drugs
were not so expensive,
818
00:58:06,516 --> 00:58:08,351
that was only a
small problem.
819
00:58:14,591 --> 00:58:18,027
A lot of people that work
in the field of narcotics,
820
00:58:18,061 --> 00:58:20,563
they know that the substances
are not going away.
821
00:58:20,597 --> 00:58:22,999
They know that if
they apprehend more,
822
00:58:23,032 --> 00:58:25,335
they will just-- the drug
dealers will just
823
00:58:25,368 --> 00:58:27,837
bring more to the
market, so it's a...
824
00:58:27,871 --> 00:58:30,340
it's like a never-ending
race that they know
825
00:58:30,373 --> 00:58:31,908
they are not going to win.
826
00:58:31,941 --> 00:58:35,078
There is no place in Portugal
where you can just go in and
827
00:58:35,111 --> 00:58:38,047
buy an illicit substance and
get a receipt out of that
828
00:58:38,081 --> 00:58:40,016
because you'll still have
to go to the black market,
829
00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:42,185
there's no quality control,
there's no taxation,
830
00:58:42,218 --> 00:58:44,420
there's no nothing.
831
00:58:47,457 --> 00:58:51,694
Tiago has a lot of experience,
like, 30 years;
832
00:58:51,728 --> 00:58:54,864
that's why he still works.
833
00:58:54,898 --> 00:59:00,069
And I don't know somebody
using like him and
834
00:59:00,103 --> 00:59:05,308
how I can help him stop
cocaine or heroin,
835
00:59:05,341 --> 00:59:07,877
for me,
it's really difficult and,
836
00:59:07,911 --> 00:59:10,914
it's impossible,
almost impossible.
837
00:59:31,401 --> 00:59:33,069
Normally,
this doesn't happen,
838
00:59:33,102 --> 00:59:35,672
but sometimes it's
possible to happen, okay.
839
00:59:35,705 --> 00:59:39,042
This is just because
of the fucking dealers.
840
00:59:39,075 --> 00:59:41,210
Just because, I...
841
00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:44,414
it's off, at 12:30,
they change.
842
00:59:44,447 --> 00:59:46,749
There's one guy selling,
then comes another one.
843
00:59:46,783 --> 00:59:49,419
And I respect that, but I
don't know who they are.
844
00:59:49,452 --> 00:59:51,554
But then comes,
"What are you doing?
845
00:59:51,588 --> 00:59:53,189
I didn't tell you wait!"
846
00:59:53,222 --> 00:59:55,258
Obviously, he--
the guy who sold me...
847
00:59:55,291 --> 00:59:57,860
keep the money,
and the guy who stole me,
848
00:59:57,894 --> 01:00:00,530
keep the, the drugs.
849
01:00:00,563 --> 01:00:03,366
And he went, changing
the problem to the other.
850
01:00:03,399 --> 01:00:04,434
Off-screen:
What happened to your lip?
851
01:00:04,467 --> 01:00:06,769
He, they kicked me.
There were five men.
852
01:00:06,803 --> 01:00:08,705
They kick me,
they give me a punch and
853
01:00:08,738 --> 01:00:11,207
I think my teeth is broken.
854
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,209
Sorry.
855
01:00:17,146 --> 01:00:19,916
The dealer's, the problem
is they can't do nothing.
856
01:00:19,949 --> 01:00:22,251
What you tell me?
Talk to the police?
857
01:00:22,285 --> 01:00:25,221
What can I do? They can
do whatever they want.
858
01:00:25,254 --> 01:00:27,624
I have-- I need the drug!
859
01:00:27,657 --> 01:00:29,726
I'm gonna lose
this teeth, for sure,
860
01:00:29,759 --> 01:00:33,229
in several months or a year.
For sure.
861
01:00:33,262 --> 01:00:35,565
So, I'll look
like a real junkie.
862
01:00:35,598 --> 01:00:38,401
I am a real junkie.
863
01:00:38,434 --> 01:00:43,806
I just want to be a human
and be treated like a human.
864
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:49,479
What are the ways whereby
those people who love cocaine,
865
01:00:49,512 --> 01:00:52,281
who are addicted
to cocaine or whatever,
866
01:00:52,315 --> 01:00:55,318
what are the ways
in which those people
867
01:00:55,351 --> 01:00:57,587
who represent the large
share of the market,
868
01:00:57,620 --> 01:01:02,125
can get the drug they want
in such a way that
869
01:01:02,158 --> 01:01:05,361
it does not endanger the
broader public health?
870
01:01:05,395 --> 01:01:07,864
That's really the
$64,000 question.
871
01:01:07,897 --> 01:01:09,932
The Portuguese don't know
what the fuck they're doing.
872
01:01:09,966 --> 01:01:12,702
And I'll tell you why.
They just happen to have
873
01:01:12,735 --> 01:01:14,904
a policy that
decriminalized drugs.
874
01:01:14,937 --> 01:01:18,041
Drug sales are
still illegal.
875
01:01:18,074 --> 01:01:22,445
Legalization is treating
drugs like we treat alcohol.
876
01:01:22,478 --> 01:01:25,548
Why shouldn't people have
the right to use drugs;
877
01:01:25,581 --> 01:01:28,885
that's really basic.
Why?
878
01:01:28,918 --> 01:01:32,388
You got a responsible
person who pays their taxes,
879
01:01:32,422 --> 01:01:33,790
they contribute to
their community,
880
01:01:33,823 --> 01:01:35,892
they're doing all
of these things...
881
01:01:35,925 --> 01:01:41,464
Why would you want to tell those
people they can't use drugs?
882
01:01:41,497 --> 01:01:43,466
I mean, I think what we can
say about Portugal is that
883
01:01:43,499 --> 01:01:46,102
they have made it safe,
but of course,
884
01:01:46,135 --> 01:01:48,137
they haven't
solved the problem,
885
01:01:48,171 --> 01:01:51,240
nor has Canada,
nor has Sweden,
886
01:01:51,274 --> 01:01:52,742
nor has Norway...
887
01:01:52,775 --> 01:01:56,579
All these places
which are really ahead.
888
01:01:56,612 --> 01:01:58,748
I was thinking about the
paradigm shift that
889
01:01:58,781 --> 01:02:01,484
we need to make in the
field of addiction.
890
01:02:01,517 --> 01:02:04,587
And then, I saw a picture.
891
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:07,423
So, imagine this:
it's a golf course,
892
01:02:07,457 --> 01:02:11,194
and these guys are very
intently playing golf
893
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:12,528
on a mountainside.
894
01:02:12,562 --> 01:02:16,199
And across the valley,
on the facing mountain,
895
01:02:16,232 --> 01:02:18,534
there's an inferno.
896
01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:23,372
Now... that's a paradigm shift.
897
01:02:23,406 --> 01:02:28,211
Those guys are
playing the wrong game.
898
01:02:28,244 --> 01:02:32,215
They need to look up
and realize that
899
01:02:32,248 --> 01:02:35,618
this new problem is
way more important,
900
01:02:35,651 --> 01:02:37,553
and that's why I love
the picture, because
901
01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:40,423
that's what we have to do in
the field of drug addiction.
902
01:02:40,456 --> 01:02:44,727
We've got to stop playing these
drug games and look up.
903
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:50,066
On what basis does one
say to a parent who, God forbid,
904
01:02:50,099 --> 01:02:53,636
has two kids addicted
to drugs - one, to heroin,
905
01:02:53,669 --> 01:02:56,472
and the other one to alcohol -
on what basis
906
01:02:56,506 --> 01:02:59,242
does the state say to
that mother or father,
907
01:02:59,275 --> 01:03:02,578
"Well, that kid, the one
who's addicted to alcohol,
908
01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:05,014
which is a deadly addiction,
dangerous to society,
909
01:03:05,047 --> 01:03:07,350
as long as he doesn't get
behind the wheel of the car
910
01:03:07,383 --> 01:03:08,684
or go out and
beat somebody up,
911
01:03:08,718 --> 01:03:11,187
he's not a criminal.
912
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:14,423
That one, addicted
to heroin, that one,
913
01:03:14,457 --> 01:03:16,692
I don't care if he gets behind
the wheel of a car or not,
914
01:03:16,726 --> 01:03:18,361
I don't care if he
beats somebody up.
915
01:03:18,394 --> 01:03:22,365
Simply possessing that
thing for his own use,
916
01:03:22,398 --> 01:03:25,768
in the privacy of his
own room in your house;
917
01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:27,904
that's a basis for
taking away his freedom and
918
01:03:27,937 --> 01:03:29,372
throwing him in jail.
919
01:03:29,405 --> 01:03:31,541
And if he is unable
or unwilling to stop,
920
01:03:31,574 --> 01:03:33,609
we will keep putting him
in jail for the rest of his life
921
01:03:33,643 --> 01:03:35,411
so long as he
defies that law."
922
01:03:35,444 --> 01:03:37,547
There is not
legitimate basis,
923
01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:40,383
in science, in medicine,
in ethics,
924
01:03:40,416 --> 01:03:41,884
or for that matter,
the Bible,
925
01:03:41,918 --> 01:03:45,087
for discriminating or
distinguishing among people
926
01:03:45,121 --> 01:03:47,590
based upon the substance
they put in their body.
927
01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:36,192
We have Jesus lizards, right,
928
01:06:36,225 --> 01:06:38,027
we got big-ass lizards
out here, don't we?
929
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:38,894
Yeah.
930
01:06:38,928 --> 01:06:41,697
Yeah, and we got
lots of pretty birds.
931
01:06:41,731 --> 01:06:42,832
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
932
01:06:42,865 --> 01:06:45,368
And we can see all the stars in
the sky at night, right?
933
01:06:45,401 --> 01:06:48,204
There's no light
pollution at all, right?
934
01:06:48,237 --> 01:06:50,873
We hear
chickens and roosters.
935
01:06:50,906 --> 01:06:54,744
- Yeah.
- Yeah, we see goats and cows.
936
01:06:54,777 --> 01:06:56,545
Your home should be
your sanctuary, you know.
937
01:06:56,579 --> 01:06:58,114
And I just
found my sanctuary.
938
01:06:58,147 --> 01:07:00,549
You know, we worked
our asses off to get it.
939
01:07:00,583 --> 01:07:03,452
My family deserved all of
my fucking dedication and
940
01:07:03,486 --> 01:07:06,322
all of my time and...
941
01:07:06,355 --> 01:07:07,990
This is where my--
This is what I do
942
01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:09,658
for my recovery,
you know what I mean?
943
01:07:09,692 --> 01:07:11,660
Once I, once I got it, like,
944
01:07:11,694 --> 01:07:14,497
there was no way anybody was
gonna take it from me...
945
01:07:14,530 --> 01:07:17,166
'Cause I get to come home
to do this all day,
946
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:18,834
you know what I mean?
947
01:07:21,237 --> 01:07:26,675
What are we gonna
do today?
948
01:07:26,709 --> 01:07:30,346
Huh? Hey.
949
01:07:30,379 --> 01:07:32,748
We're gonna
change the world.
950
01:07:32,782 --> 01:07:34,683
We are gonna
change the world, right?
951
01:07:34,717 --> 01:07:36,419
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
952
01:07:49,598 --> 01:07:51,600
Huh?
953
01:08:35,611 --> 01:08:37,179
As of now,
they covered the,
954
01:08:37,213 --> 01:08:38,347
covered the body.
955
01:08:38,380 --> 01:08:41,517
But later, when the crime
scene investigator comes,
956
01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:43,252
they will open, open the...
957
01:08:43,285 --> 01:08:46,589
remove the carton.
958
01:08:46,622 --> 01:08:49,525
What the family
is saying is...
959
01:08:49,558 --> 01:08:53,362
What the people are saying was
there were kids playing here,
960
01:08:53,395 --> 01:08:54,930
playing here,
and all of a sudden,
961
01:08:54,964 --> 01:08:58,534
these three guys who came
in just shooed them away.
962
01:08:58,567 --> 01:09:01,203
After that,
they heard gun shots.
963
01:09:01,237 --> 01:09:05,174
It has become
normal for, for...
964
01:09:05,207 --> 01:09:07,476
the neighbourhood
to see dead bodies.
965
01:09:20,523 --> 01:09:22,825
Sorry.
966
01:09:30,599 --> 01:09:32,067
It's nothing new here.
967
01:09:32,101 --> 01:09:34,403
He was just sitting
outside along the street,
968
01:09:34,436 --> 01:09:37,072
and he was shot by a
motorcycle gunman.
969
01:09:57,059 --> 01:09:59,695
How can you not be angry?
970
01:11:22,911 --> 01:11:28,550
I was told just because I said
in a press conference
971
01:11:28,584 --> 01:11:31,754
that not all
users are addicts,
972
01:11:31,787 --> 01:11:36,091
and somebody messaged me
and said that
973
01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:39,795
he hoped that my daughter
would get raped
974
01:11:39,828 --> 01:11:45,401
by a drug, by a drug addict.
975
01:11:45,434 --> 01:11:49,438
So that kind of violence,
so it's not just--
976
01:11:49,471 --> 01:11:52,574
For me, it's, it's not just
about the violence
977
01:11:52,608 --> 01:11:59,248
against users, but it's the
message that you can...
978
01:11:59,281 --> 01:12:02,918
cure problems
by just killing.
979
01:12:07,389 --> 01:12:10,859
They don't understand that
it's really just, they--
980
01:12:10,893 --> 01:12:13,896
what they need to
focus on is poverty,
981
01:12:13,929 --> 01:12:17,066
but they're choosing
to fight the wrong war.
982
01:12:38,921 --> 01:12:42,291
Most of these cases won't,
won't be resolved.
983
01:12:42,324 --> 01:12:48,097
They will be just numbers
and statistics of the killings.
984
01:12:48,130 --> 01:12:51,467
With this kind of impunity
that's happening right here
985
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,570
in the country,
I don't see justice.
986
01:12:54,603 --> 01:12:56,772
I don't see anybody
getting justice
987
01:12:56,805 --> 01:12:59,108
during his administration.
988
01:13:28,337 --> 01:13:30,005
Pender Island is the
right place for me
989
01:13:30,038 --> 01:13:33,442
to finish up the story.
990
01:13:33,475 --> 01:13:36,311
This whole
island was logged.
991
01:13:36,345 --> 01:13:39,114
But, but now it's
in recovery and,
992
01:13:39,148 --> 01:13:41,784
and we have this,
this second growth forest,
993
01:13:41,817 --> 01:13:43,652
which is,
which is good to us.
994
01:13:43,685 --> 01:13:46,288
This is all second growth.
And yet,
995
01:13:46,321 --> 01:13:50,459
it makes, it makes a
beautiful forest.
996
01:13:50,492 --> 01:13:56,298
You could say that, that I
have found Rat Park here.
997
01:13:56,331 --> 01:13:59,001
We've got to do
something to make
998
01:13:59,034 --> 01:14:02,971
the modern world more habitable.
How are we gonna do that?
999
01:14:03,005 --> 01:14:05,073
Well, I think it might be
different in Portugal and
1000
01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:08,110
it might be different
in the Philippines,
1001
01:14:08,143 --> 01:14:11,613
but I think that where
we are right now is,
1002
01:14:11,647 --> 01:14:14,983
is in the stage
of awareness.
1003
01:14:15,017 --> 01:14:18,086
That's why, you know,
I do what I do.
1004
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,589
We want to make sure people
are thinking because
1005
01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:25,427
once people start to think,
it decreases the likelihood
1006
01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:29,631
that you will implement
policies and practices
1007
01:14:29,665 --> 01:14:33,101
that result in the disproportionate
1008
01:14:33,135 --> 01:14:35,804
poor treatment of any groups.
1009
01:14:35,838 --> 01:14:39,308
When people start to understand
how dirty the game is,
1010
01:14:39,341 --> 01:14:41,844
and how the game
is not based on science
1011
01:14:41,877 --> 01:14:46,114
or pharmacology,
then they're starting to think.
1012
01:14:46,148 --> 01:14:50,953
For me, my punch line
is a core principle,
1013
01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:56,625
and that core principle is
that nobody deserves to be
1014
01:14:56,658 --> 01:15:01,029
punished or discriminated
against or amongst
1015
01:15:01,063 --> 01:15:06,602
based solely upon the substance
they put into their body.
1016
01:15:22,618 --> 01:15:24,453
Toot-toot.
1017
01:15:25,854 --> 01:15:28,624
Maybe sometimes I feel a
little bit guilty because
1018
01:15:28,657 --> 01:15:31,093
we are pressed to feel that.
1019
01:15:31,126 --> 01:15:33,829
We are pressed to feel we
are doing something very wrong,
1020
01:15:33,862 --> 01:15:36,298
very criminal, very bad.
1021
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:41,169
There will always be drugs,
so if you want to
1022
01:15:41,203 --> 01:15:43,605
solve as much as
possible the problem,
1023
01:15:43,639 --> 01:15:49,111
you just have to change the,
the attitude, period.
1024
01:15:49,144 --> 01:15:52,281
And then, we'll solve all
the other possible problems
1025
01:15:52,314 --> 01:15:54,316
that will appear as we
solved with cigarettes,
1026
01:15:54,349 --> 01:15:57,853
with alcohol, with...
with food.
1027
01:15:57,886 --> 01:16:01,290
And maybe for coincidence,
I live in a country
1028
01:16:01,323 --> 01:16:05,127
where things are changing
and it's incredible.
1029
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,586
During the earlier days
when the killings started,
1030
01:16:30,619 --> 01:16:34,256
it's more of a
photojournalistic work.
1031
01:16:34,289 --> 01:16:36,658
We look for the light;
we look for the composition;
1032
01:16:36,692 --> 01:16:38,827
we look for the angles.
1033
01:16:38,860 --> 01:16:43,932
But, right now, it really
has taken a toll on me.
1034
01:16:43,966 --> 01:16:47,002
A lot of my friends say
that I have to take a break
1035
01:16:47,035 --> 01:16:49,938
because I'm
already breaking down,
1036
01:16:49,972 --> 01:16:53,475
I'm on the verge
of breaking down.
1037
01:16:53,508 --> 01:16:57,446
But, the problem is,
there are less and less of us
1038
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,116
documenting this and
how can we take a break?
1039
01:17:03,518 --> 01:17:06,054
I've seen a lot of
horrific photos,
1040
01:17:06,088 --> 01:17:08,457
but I don't think that...
1041
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:11,093
images of the
victims haunt me.
1042
01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:13,428
What haunts me more is...
1043
01:17:13,462 --> 01:17:16,431
the knowledge of the
killings are still continuing
1044
01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:18,233
and it will still continue
1045
01:17:18,266 --> 01:17:21,136
as long as Duterte
is still in office.
1046
01:17:36,451 --> 01:17:38,820
Let's go put your
book in the car, okay.
1047
01:17:38,854 --> 01:17:41,623
I want to read it
in the car.
1048
01:17:41,657 --> 01:17:43,291
You can read it in the car.
1049
01:17:45,193 --> 01:17:47,462
Hold my hand.
1050
01:17:47,496 --> 01:17:50,499
You know, there has
been a dramatic change,
1051
01:17:50,532 --> 01:17:53,769
and I do credit
Justin with that.
1052
01:17:53,802 --> 01:17:56,171
And I have watched Justin
at many meetings
1053
01:17:56,204 --> 01:17:59,675
piss off people to no end.
1054
01:17:59,708 --> 01:18:02,144
I mean, God bless him
for doing it.
1055
01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:03,945
So many lives have been saved.
1056
01:18:03,979 --> 01:18:06,048
What's up, bro?
1057
01:18:06,081 --> 01:18:08,116
You doing alright?
1058
01:18:08,150 --> 01:18:10,252
Alright, bro...
1059
01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:11,620
No worries, dude.
1060
01:18:11,653 --> 01:18:13,755
If the people who
were in my situation,
1061
01:18:13,789 --> 01:18:17,292
if everybody is not
treated equally
1062
01:18:17,325 --> 01:18:19,728
under the eyes of the
whole community,
1063
01:18:19,761 --> 01:18:22,631
then we failed as a
fucking community.
1064
01:18:22,664 --> 01:18:24,800
I, I need help, man. I'm like
really having a hard time.
1065
01:18:24,833 --> 01:18:27,135
I got you, bro.
Don't worry about it; I got you.
1066
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:28,236
- Alright, cool.
- You're good.
1067
01:18:28,270 --> 01:18:29,404
- Thank you, bro.
- You're good, yeah.
1068
01:18:29,438 --> 01:18:30,238
Alright, brother.
1069
01:18:30,272 --> 01:18:31,573
When I got put in
a position that
1070
01:18:31,606 --> 01:18:33,975
I could do something
about it, I did.
1071
01:18:34,009 --> 01:18:35,911
You know, I, I--
we can't sit around and
1072
01:18:35,944 --> 01:18:37,479
wait on the government.
1073
01:18:37,512 --> 01:18:39,414
Maybe for one person,
1074
01:18:39,448 --> 01:18:41,583
I know that somebody
doesn't have to go through
1075
01:18:41,616 --> 01:18:44,419
the same shit that I went
through in my community.
80038
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