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Well, thank you for having me.
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I had the technological
and economic international affairs
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area for the government of El Salvador.
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I worked specifically in the Trade
and Commerce Secretariat.
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And basically that means that
I had to identify investment opportunities
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as they relate to Bitcoin
or to any crypto or blockchain project.
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And I've been working with a lot of the
companies that have come into El Salvador
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ever since the law took effect
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A lot of people had told us
that we should have readapt to
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El Colon, which used to be our currency
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up until 2001 instead of the US dollar.
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People were using colonias, however,
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that would have been going into the past.
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We wanted to go into the future.
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And the future mean crypto.
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The future means cryptocurrencies.
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Especially Bitcoin.
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And it was a no brainer,
I think, for the President to think that
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with the adoption of Bitcoin,
he could have done many things
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including the bonds,
the volcano bonds that he's working on
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in so many other things,
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allowing people who are unbanked
that don't have a bank account
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that basically that translates
into about 70% of Salvadorians,
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allowing them to have access
to digital money
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to not only do transactions with Bitcoin,
but also to save and to invest.
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And I think that's a game changer
for any country
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Well, in fact since 2001, El Salvador
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hasn't been able to print money
because we use the US dollar.
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So we don't have the power
to print money and,
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and even if we had the power right now
to do it, I think it makes sense to see
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what is going on, what is happening around
us, what is happening in the world.
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The fact that we are suffering
from inflation in many countries,
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I mean worldwide
because countries are just printing money,
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you know, lots of money
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and they're not really handling the issues
that we're going through.
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So the idea of printing money,
more and more money
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is just a traditional way
from the banking system.
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And he hasn't really fixed
anything in years
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ever since
perhaps the banking system initiated.
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So is not we don't see it as a solution.
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The solution is not to print more money.
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The solution is really to adopt the future
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I think like any other
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adoption of of anything, education is key.
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And I know that we are working really hard
in order for the population
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to become more educated when it comes to
using Bitcoin is not just the government's
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responsibility
to educate the Salvadorian population.
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We've seen that a lot of the companies
that have come to invest
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in El Salvador,
they are taken to task that
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and they're educating different segments
of the population, academia as well.
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They have come out with careers
now on crypto
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or workshops or
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specializations, you know.
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So it's it's government,
private sector in academia,
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and everybody's helping, trying to educate
as many Salvadorians as possible.
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That could be a challenge.
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However, we're tackling it
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Well, El
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Santa, as well as there's
another area called Bitcoin City
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Bitcoin Citizens of El Salvador,
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that's what it's called in that area,
started before El Santee.
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And people don't know about that.
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It's in the state of Cincinnati.
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And those two areas are unusual
because they have been it
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their populations have been using Bitcoin
for about three years now.
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And obviously they are more educated
about their cryptocurrency.
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They know how to do a transaction.
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Lightning, you know,
they use like the Lightning Network
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they're fine, like you said.
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However, in the capital city,
if you go into a McDonald's,
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if you go into Starbucks,
if you go into any other store,
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or it's a department store, you know,
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and you want to buy a scarf,
you want to buy shoes, you can buy it.
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You can buy those items with Bitcoin.
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And I think people are
are getting the hang of it.
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That means that they're getting little
by little educated.
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How do you deal with the volatility?
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It is the government's
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plan to launch a stable stablecoin
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which will alleviate the volatility.
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It is. It's how Bitcoin works.
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And part of the creation
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is, is to let people know
that that happens with Bitcoin.
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At the same time that right now
is I believe it was 38.
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Somebody checked last night Tomorrow
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it can go up to 40
and then the next say can go up to 60.
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So it's not really.
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Yes, there is.
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There's a high volatility,
but at the same time there are perks.
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Meaning if people invest, if people
save money in Bitcoin, they know that.
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I mean they say Bitcoin
because bitcoin is money,
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then they know that their,
their income can increase
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is not just going to go
down, it's also going to go up.
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So it's a matter of education. I think
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the president announced that during the
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celebration at the end of the
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the Bitcoin Conference's
Bitcoin week that we had in November,
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we were at the beach
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and he announced a few different things
including the volcano bonds.
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And you know that that
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our teams are working on the civil coin
as well as the volcano bonds.
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And there is not necessarily
that much public info that we can share
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at this point.
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What I can tell you
is that now in February,
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the Legislative Assembly is going to vote
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on approving 20 different laws
that pertain
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to not only to the volcano bonds,
but also to the residency status
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and how
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that's going to work out for people
who actually want to move to El Salvador.
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We have a lot of people,
a lot of investors
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that have come and bought homes already.
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They moved with their families.
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It's crazy what's happening.
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The migration is crazy and it's real.
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We don't have numbers right now
on the number of people that have moved.
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But what I can tell you
is that we have about between 203 hundred
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companies that we know have
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incorporated because of Bitcoin.
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They have come from other countries.
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They have opened
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a Salvadorian company.
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Now, you know, like a subsidiary.
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Right?
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And, and it's about 200 to 300.
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But I can tell you that we, we have people
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who have migrated to our country
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and have not only opened offices,
but have bought property.
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People from Singapore, Canada,
the United States, Europe,
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even from Africa and obviously from
some other countries in Latin America.
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So it's for us, it's crazy.
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It's crazy to be seeing this
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Bitcoin is a legal tender
being El Salvador.
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And that means that every in
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any single bank in the country
has to take Bitcoin.
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So we having had an issue where,
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let's say a customer goes into a bank and
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and the bank refuses to use it, it's
a legal tender and they have to use it.
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Let's say if I had $10 million in Fiat
and I wanted to transfer that,
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they would ask me, where is this money
coming from right then?
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And they have the right
to ask that question.
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In the traditional banking system,
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I don't
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think that we have we have
had that issue yet.
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When someone comes with,
I don't know, five or ten Bitcoins
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and they want to transfer it to to a bank,
we haven't had that issue.
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But I know that if there was
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if we had a problem,
if a customer had a problem
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and where they didn't want to
take their Bitcoins or they were asking
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too many questions
as opposed to do it in a defi way,
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then we would know about it
or the customer
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Especially now in social media,
the customer will speak up.
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But that hasn't happened yet.
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Or not.
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I mean, we're not dangerous.
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What we're trying to do
is to really adapt ourselves
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to the changes in the world right
now, to the future.
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The future is digital with 3.0
is is already here.
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I was about to say it's coming up now.
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Noise is already here.
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And if we or any other country
doesn't adapt
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to the changes, then we're going to get
we're going to be behind.
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We're going to be
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we're going to be slacking, you know, in
not working on behalf of our people.
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And that's what we're trying to do.
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People can say all sorts of things.
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They can say that it's
that the volcano bonds won't work,
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but we know that they will
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I think it was a very innovative idea.
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Like you said,
and I don't think anybody was expecting,
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you know, to to hear about volcano bonds
and just just the fact
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that El Salvador is mining with volcanoes.
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I mean, that's, you know,
that should blow your mind, right?
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So now when we think about volcano bonds
and the fact that a lot of people already
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have committed
to purchasing to buying these bonds,
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we know that the 20 laws
that the Congress is supposed to pass
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supposed to vote on
are coming up in the next few weeks.
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Now, in February, that's when we will know
when they will be available
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for people to buy.
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And we also know that
every time we talk about Bitcoin,
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we also know that Bitcoin is just that.
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The tipping point is just the beginning
for El Salvador.
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We're looking into the creation of dolls
allowing, you know, having a law
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that can allow people to create dolls,
decentralized, autonomous, organizations,
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as well as we know
that we're moving towards defi inevitably.
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You know, it's not just Bitcoin is really
decentralized finances and decentralized.
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Many of the things
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in regards to maybe other other coins,
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it's too early so premature to say that.
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But when I say defi,
I mean the use of blockchain in a law
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that allows us to for instance, create
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digital identity for our citizens,
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especially in the areas of health
and education.
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You know,
we don't want to be carrying around
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a cart,
a plastic card like an idea, right?
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We want to have a digital identity where
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if I go to the doctor in this state
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and then I happen to have an emergency
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for 100 kilometers away,
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any doctor on that site
can also check my, my
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my record, my health record digitally
without me having to have papers.
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We want to get rid of papers and that can
only be achieved through blockchain
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no. And yes, I do know about that concept.
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There is something that
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our teams have talked about so
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but I think there is so much going on
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that we have to start with perhaps.
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And I'm just making a
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an assumption here
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that the way
we are going to adopt digital identity,
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for instance, perhaps at the beginning
is going to be in a centralized way
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until we can move towards
decentralized decentralization
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because it will be
built in on the blockchain.
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But what you're talking about
would also absolutely be revolutionary.
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It will show that how democracy works,
especially now in the future
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in, you know, using Web 3.0
or in this case in the metaverse.
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I mean, is is definitely something
that we would aspire to
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but it's real bitcoin.
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I don't know where that's coming from.
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I think the wallet has had a few issues,
technical issues.
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Right.
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I know that the teams have been working
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programmers
and developers have been working
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on fixing the bugs, on fixed
making it more
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easier, I guess, to to,
you know, to use to be used but not sure
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why people are saying that what the what
their wallets have is not Bitcoin.
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It is obviously Bitcoin
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A few weeks ago,
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we had a senator from Mexico
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come to visit us
and she has strategic meetings
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with the government
and private sector and academia.
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And she wanted to learn about
how El Salvador adopted Bitcoin.
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And the reason why she wanted to learn
is because she is from the state of Nuevo
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Leon in Mexico and on Monterrey
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happens to be the FinTech three.
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It's all about fintech
and it's a very industrialized state.
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They are the Barcelona of Spain of Mexico.
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And this case is like they could
if they were to separate from Mexico,
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they will be fine because they have
the generate a lot of the
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GDP for Mexico.
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So they're very advanced
compared to the rest of Mexico.
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And she came to learn.
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So we are in contact
with some Mexican officials
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who are pro bitcoin,
who are pro blockchain.
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Mind you're saying, my understanding
is that she's interested in
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launching her reelection campaign
on the use of blockchain,
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which is fantastic,
you know, and it's a woman who's doing it.
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There are other officials public officials
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in Paraguay, in other countries
who have knocked on our door.
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And they they
they're also asking questions
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and want to know and they want to come
and visit and is great, is great
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to have all this support from other
public officials in other countries.
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I don't know who's going to be next.
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I just know that it may not necessarily
be a country.
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It can be a municipality like Arizona
or a state.
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You know, in this case,
it was in the United States.
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A congresswoman, actually, a senator.
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I'm sorry. I actually
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wrote a proposal,
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a law proposal for Bitcoin
to be adopted in that state.
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So if it happens emerging,
it will be like in a way
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like what happened with marijuana
with cannabis in the states,
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only a few states adopted it,
but it's not legal at the federal level.
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So it might be the same thing
that is going to be happening
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in the United States.
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Want to invest in in Bitcoin,
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on blockchain,
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I think there's a lot of room
for mining in El Salvador.
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As you know,
our government is already mining
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with geothermal energy from a volcano,
which is fantastic.
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But there is a lot of room
specially for green mining.
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And I think what Sebastian is doing
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is, is very innovative.
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We welcome anybody
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and everybody who wants to come in mine
because it's not just Bitcoin City.
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We have 170 volcanoes
in this tiny country, 170.
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So there is a lot of room
for people who want to come in mine
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that's a
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question that only the president
could answer because it really depends.
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I mean, he's been buying on the dip
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and so we have to see what happens
with the price of Bitcoin.
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But I wouldn't be able to tell you
if he's going to buy in one time.
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