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- Hey.
- Hey.
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Couldn't throw us out, could he?
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Well, that might have been one of
the options they were thinking about.
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They can't throw couples
out of counseling.
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We see Steve and Cindy
because we have problems.
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If you can't deal,
you're in the wrong job.
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But now, because of you, it's their
marriage that has the problems.
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Here he comes.
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- Hey, Steve.
- Hey.
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Hi.
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I know you guys probably
want to get to the zone,
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but I just wanted
to let you know that,
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from now on, Cindy will be
handling the sessions.
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'm sorry to hear that.
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I want to stress that it
wasn't just last week's session
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that pushed us over the edge.
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Tension has been building up
for a while.
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It must be very hard on
a marriage, the job you guys do.
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Listening to people's problems
must make you reflect on your own.
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That is exactly right, Ellen.
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Although, to tell you the truth,
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we haven't been actively
married for some time.
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- Can you be passively married?
- We're not divorced.
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We've been living apart
for two years.
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You don't think
you should own up to that?
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You don't think you should
tell couple seeking guidance
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that you two have literally no idea
about how to make a marriage work?
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Matter of fact, you're in a
worse place than your clients?
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Scott, that's not fair.
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Yes, Steve and Cindy
are separated,
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but look how they've managed
the separation.
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He called her
a sanctimonious bitch
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and walked out during our session.
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That's not the Steve I know.
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- Thank you.
- You don't know Steve at all.
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You thought Steve
was still married to Cindy.
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- And I still am.
- Come on.
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Even we're more married
than you are.
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Not if you go on like this,
we're not.
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- Cindy hates me.
- I'd imagine they both hate you.
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No, no, nobody hates anyone.
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Cindy is very engaged
with you guys.
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She will do good work. And...
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If you have any feedback on the last
session we did with the four of us,
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we would love to hear it.
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There's no "we" anymore.
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You don't live with her,
you don't work with her.
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We hope to work together again
with other couples
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sometime in the future.
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But not with us.
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I should leave you two
to, well, get into the zone.
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I'll be checking in with
Cindy about how you're doing.
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Thanks, Steve.
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They want to work
with other couples, but not us.
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I'm sure it's not like that.
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So why do they want to work
with other couples?
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Maybe you pushed it
too far last week.
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I just asked them
to take the test we'd done.
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You can't ask couples
you don't know
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to score how much they want
to be married out of ten.
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- That's bound to cause issues.
- Exactly what they do to us.
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They don't know us, and we have
to rate our marriage the whole time.
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Now we know they aren't together.
It clearly wasn't a mutual decision.
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Well, they got found out.
That serves them right.
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But why is their discomfort
so funny to you?
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You could see they were in pain.
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It's funny to see the tables turn,
right?
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I mean, when they started
going for each other.
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Come on, you need
a heart of stone not to laugh.
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It just seemed unkind.
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Now, we're stuck with her.
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Why does it matter?
Cindy's nice.
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If you like that sort of thing.
Am I really so difficult?
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It might not be you.
It might be me,
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or the way the four of us combined
in the room.
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- But, yes.
- Yes, I'm difficult?
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Yes.
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Because I have
certain traditional views,
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even though I vote Democrat?
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No.
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Come on,
we both know that's what it is.
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No.
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You're difficult in
many more ways than that.
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"Many more ways"?
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So you just conceded that
my social conservatism is one of them.
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It's what you do with it.
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What do I do
with my social conservatism?
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You have to express it frequently,
and in ways you think are humorous.
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Of course. It's the jokes.
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You must never make jokes
about or to woke flakes.
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Just let it all out.
It's been building up for a while.
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Let's go.
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There's nothing in.
That's the thing.
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You think I'm full of all this rage
and bile, but I'm not.
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I just see things
I think are funny,
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and I try to express
my amusement.
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And what makes it funnier for me
is that it annoys people.
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But doesn't the need to annoy
people come from a place of anger.
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You started with the places now?
I don't have any places.
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No place of anger, no place of love,
no place of forgiveness.
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None of them. Nobody born
in the 1950s has places.
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- Maybe not everything is funny.
- Of course it is.
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Everything you people do
is funny.
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You're gonna pick me up on
"you people," aren't you?
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I don't know what else
to call you.
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It might be helpful
to think of us as suffragettes.
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What are you talking about?
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Wouldn't you people have found
that just as funny? "Votes for women?"
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I'm not "you people".
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If I'm "you people,"
you're "you people" by definition.
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I'm in the middle between
those people and you people.
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And, no, of course
I wouldn't have found it funny.
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You'd have laughed. Ridiculous.
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What are they going
to come up with next? Gay marriage?
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They're gonna let men marry men?
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We were together when
that was made legal. Did I laugh?
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Not when it was made legal, no.
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By the time it was made legal,
even you had caught up.
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But you would have
laughed in 1975.
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1975? Well, yeah.
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- 1975 is a very different time.
- You see?
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- There's no way.
- Why not?
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1975? You got everybody trying
to shoot Gerald Ford.
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You got that Thriller in Manila.
"Born to Run" comes out.
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Defeat in Vietnam. Was that the year
that we saw Zeppelin twice?
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I think it was.
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The Garden,
and The Spectrum in Philly.
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None of that would have prevented
you from talking about gay marriage.
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You try raise the subject
when you're dangling
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off the last helicopter out of Saigon.
You'd get your hand stamped on.
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You were watching
"The Fall of Saigon" on TV.
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If you were aware of it at all,
you probably found out about it
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from a History Channel
documentary.
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Listen, '75, I was in high school.
Six of us went to Philly.
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In Tommy Cantello's
dad's pick-up.
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We were all wasted,
including Tommy,
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who was driving.
He had to stop to puke.
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So you tell me.
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When was the right time
for the gay marriage debate?
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I'm not talking about you
as a teenager in 1975.
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I'm talking about you as a grown-up.
The age you are now.
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I'm asking you to take your
62-year-old self back to 1975,
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and you stay 62.
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Maybe this is too late,
but you didn't order anything.
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- Thanks.
- This all sounds pretty freaky.
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The 62-year-old Scott
back in 1975.
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It's very Christopher Nolan.
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I'm struggling in so many
different directions.
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You, Scott, were born in 1913.
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So he's dead, right?
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Now that opens
a few escape hatches for her.
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I'm not trying to kill you off.
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I'm trying to get you
to think about your attitudes.
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Okay. So, born in 1913.
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I fought in Normandy.
I was part of the greatest generation.
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Am I rich?
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Sure. I can't imagine
you not being rich.
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No, I wasn't rich in 1975,
I could tell you.
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Or, like, 1930-something,
if you're born in 1913.
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Yeah, listen, thanks for
the tea and the input, Jay.
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Maybe someone else
needs your wisdom now.
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Sure. Sorry.
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You don't need to give yourself
a whole backstory.
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I think I do. That would probably
be the 1975 62-year- old me.
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Yeah, I kind of like that.
It all fits.
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Plus, I could still have gone
to see Zeppelin at The Spectrum.
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How many people born in 1913
saw that tour, do you think?
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Zeppelin probably had
an accountant born around then.
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I was Led Zeppelin's accountant.
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Fine. You were
Led Zeppelin's accountant.
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I'll bet I had good seats.
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But you also had the views of a dinosaur
about gays and women.
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I risked my life to fight fascism,
which is more than you did.
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Or anyone else that's been to jail
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and doesn't want me
to confuse my pronouns.
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All I'm saying is you think
you're reasonable and moderate,
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but that's what every old fart thinks,
and they're always wrong.
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Plus in real life, you didn't
fight against fascism.
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You weren't part of
the greatest generation.
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You got fucked up
at some rock and roll shows,
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and then joined a golf club,
and then laughed at pronouns.
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You have no excuse.
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- Hi.
- Hey, Cindy.
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Did Steve talk to you?
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Yeah, yeah.
It's fine with us.
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- Steve and I...
- Yeah, we heard.
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Oh, well, yeah.
There's that.
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But I wanted to see you
before the session
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because I want to tell you that we'd
like to make it up to you for last week.
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That's okay.
These things happen.
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We run intimacy weekends
up in Wharton State Forest.
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And we would like for you two
to come as our guests free of charge.
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And Steve's okay with that?
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Sure, yeah. No hard feelings.
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- And there'll be other couples there.
- So we'll be diluted.
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What's an intimacy weekend?
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We talk about techniques
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about how you can give and take
more as a couple.
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- Seriously?
- Yes.
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Everyone who has come to see us,
every single person,
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has reported an intensifying
of everything,
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from orgasms, to...
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Well, that is very kind of you, but...
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That sounds incredible.
Thank you.
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Shall we?
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- That's not funny.
- It really is.
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