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[mellow rock music playing
over radio]
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♪ ♪
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- On the only 24-hour
radio news center in Kansas,
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I'm Gordon Basham
with the 2:00 report.
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30 years have gone by
since the serial killer
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calling himself BTK took
the life of his first victim.
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Now Wichita police say
they've solved the case
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with the arrest of
a 59-year-old Park City man.
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- Today is a very historic day.
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The bottom line,
BTK is arrested.
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[cheers and applause]
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[dramatic music]
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- People in Wichita
had been terrorized
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by the concept of this bind,
torture, kill individual
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for 30 years, from '74 to 2005.
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- I thought, "This is a--
This is a master criminal."
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I mean, he's eluded hundreds of
investigators over the years.
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- The man accused of being
the BTK serial killer
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returns to a Kansas courtroom
this morning.
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- Everybody wanted to know
what this guy was about,
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who this guy was,
and, more important,
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how he could kill ten people,
including two children.
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- The hope is,
some of the burning questions
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people here are asking
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may be answered soon
by Rader himself.
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- Mr. Rader, I need
to find out more information.
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- Well, I mean,
I strangled Mrs. Otero,
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and she went out--
Or passed out.
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I thought she was dead.
She passed out.
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Then I strangled Josephine.
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- It was so quiet
in that courtroom,
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you could hear a fly landing
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on a piece of paper
a mile away in there.
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Dennis Rader
was in the center ring
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of a three-ring circus,
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and the spotlight was on him.
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Because of his ego,
he loved that,
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absolutely loved that.
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- At that point in time,
strangled her
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for a death strangle
at that time.
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- With your hands?
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- There was no regret.
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There was no, you know,
"I feel bad for doing this."
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- What happened then?
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- Oh, tried to find a place
to hide her,
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hide the body.
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- Did you find a place?
- Yes. Yes, I did.
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- You gotta be kidding me.
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I looked at this, and I thought,
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"That is what killed
all these women?"
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- Got her to the car, put her
in the trunk of the car.
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- When people watched the
televised courtroom confession
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of Dennis Rader,
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they basically thought
they knew the whole story.
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[phone buzzing]
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But for me,
that was just the start.
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[touch tone beeps]
Or say--
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- When you went before
Judge Waller and he asked you
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to talk about the details
of all the crimes,
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what was--what were
you thinking?
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What was that like for you?
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- Were you feeling anything
when that was happening?
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Was--
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- Okay.
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I'm Dr. Katherine Ramsland,
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professor
of forensic psychology.
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I've been corresponding
with Dennis Rader
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for over ten years
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to try to understand
what led him to become
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one of the most notorious
serial killers in America.
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- He really controlled Wichita
during that time period.
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- Rader wanted you to know
he was watching you,
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he was aware of you.
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He wants you to feel
his eyes on you.
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- That's so frightening.
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- I think it's very important
to understand
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how any given individual could
become an extreme offender.
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Why do they make
these life choices?
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What kinds of mental states
do we see in these people?
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- The story isn't over,
because at this point,
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we still don't know--
Or at least I don't know--
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What caused Dennis Rader to
become the monster that he did.
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I don't know. I'm not sure.
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Do you know?
- I think I know.
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♪ ♪
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- Dennis Rader is a monster.
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Dennis Rader
is the worst of humanity.
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I don't want the story
to go away
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until we find out why.
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Why did he decide that his life
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was going to be that
of a killer?
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- This is the first time
that Rader has explored
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these topics in depth
with anyone.
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Why did you want
to put your story out there?
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- Each serial killer
has a unique set of factors
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that turns him or her
into monsters.
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The more information we have,
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the more we understand
what makes them tick,
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the easier it will be
to prevent them.
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[insects chirring]
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Serial killers have interested
me for about 30 years
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and in part
because when I was a kid,
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there was a serial killer
operating in my neighborhood
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before anyone even used
the phrase "serial killer."
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And my brother's friends
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found the first body
on their farm.
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- An Eastern Michigan
University student
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was charged today
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with one of the seven
co-ed murders
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in the Ann Arbor,
Michigan, area.
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John Collins,
22-year-old student
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at the university's
school of education...
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- John Norman Collins
is also known
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as the Co-ed Killer
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because co-eds from two
different university campuses
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in the area were being
picked up and murdered.
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It fascinated me to watch
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the development of this case
in the newspapers,
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and I wanted to find out more
about serial killers.
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Later in life
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as I became a professor
of forensic psychology,
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extreme offenders
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were something
we knew very little about,
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and I wanted
to contribute to that.
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♪ ♪
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I've published 68 books
and have 4 more in the works.
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Not only do I write
about serial killers.
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I'm constantly teaching.
I do police trainings.
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I do a broad variety
of activities,
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all surrounding my knowledge
of extreme offenders.
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♪ ♪
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A lot of myths have cropped up
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about serial killers,
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so I especially want
to study cases
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that show that these myths
just don't work.
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And law enforcement
needs to understand this
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so that they don't dismiss
a potential suspect too soon.
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♪ ♪
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- Dr. Katherine Ramsland
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is one of the leading
serial killer experts.
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She's helped us understand
how we might notice
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certain behaviors
at a early age,
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pick up on those behaviors,
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and get help for those behaviors
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before it's too late.
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- When Dennis Rader
was finally caught
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and revealed to be
this older guy,
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paunchy balding guy,
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I was interested
in the media response to him.
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- This is a man--a family man
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who went home to his wife
and two children every night.
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- Doctor, why were there
no red flags?
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Why did nobody see this?
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He was a church leader,
a family man
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right there in the middle
of the community.
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- You know, I'm amazed
by that as well,
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that nobody was able
to figure out
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that this guy had this--
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This secret life
that he was hiding.
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- The media wanted
a specific type of person
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to fit the mold
of serial killer.
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But he'd been a family man,
a churchgoer.
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He had a job.
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You know, he basically blasted
all the FBI stereotypes
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out of the water.
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One of the reasons
I wanted to work with him
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was to look at someone
who appears to be an outlier
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and see what he teaches us.
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Because he's not unique.
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There are others
who have been family men,
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churchgoers,
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seemingly normal people
who have these thoughts
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and sometimes act
on these thoughts.
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And so I think
it's important for us
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to not just understand them
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but also treat them before
they become serial killers.
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My initial communications
with Dennis Rader
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were kind of interesting.
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He liked the fact that
I came in with credentials,
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because it meant
he was being taken seriously.
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But at the same time,
he wanted to test me.
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He said he wanted me
to solve some codes,
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and he liked working with codes.
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He began to send me
cut-out pages from magazines
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and newspapers
where he'd circle things,
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and he'd make odd comments.
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Like, at one point, he said,
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"I understand you're interested
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in recipes
of the three-layer kind."
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I thought that was strange,
because I actually don't cook
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and especially
three-layer recipes.
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So I didn't really
quite get what he meant.
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I put the whole alphabet down,
A, B, C, D, E, F.
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And then I looked at each
of the pieces of paper
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that had things circled
or items in his letter
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that corresponded
to the A, B, C, D letters
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and wrote everything
I could down.
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But then I began to see
the things that he had circled,
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like "beef,"
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"tangy,"
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"king."
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So there's K.
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And then it dawned on me what
the three-layer recipes were:
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BTK,
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for bind them,
torture them, kill them.
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And so once I returned
the code to him
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and said,
"Okay, what's next?"
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He recognized not that
I had solved the code
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but that I would play the game.
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So your fantasy life
was more important to you
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than your real life,
it sounds like.
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- There's a great value
in understanding Dennis Rader
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and his motivations,
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the things that made him
do what he did.
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If we have more people
who are skilled
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at recognizing
those aspects of a person
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that might lead them in a path
of some criminal behavior,
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whether it be a serial killer
or whatever,
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if they can intervene,
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I mean, think of the lives
that they'll save.
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- I would love it
that you could just
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get some of this stuff
off your chest.
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Your health is declining,
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and I think it'd be
really great for you
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to be able to just say
what you need to say.
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Is that okay with you?
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[dramatic music]
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- People refer to Wichita
as a big little small town.
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And a lot of people don't
realize how big Wichita is.
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It's the biggest city,
you know, in Kansas.
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And Wichita is just
this very livable place
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with very friendly people.
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- It's a small town
with small-town values,
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neighborly people right
in the middle of the country.
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- Dennis Rader was raised
primarily in Wichita
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and moved to the suburb of
Park City when he got married.
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When I'm writing
about any person,
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I want to see what they saw,
259
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smell what they smelled,
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feel the air.
261
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Where did he work?
262
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Kinds of travel routes
did he use?
263
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It's almost as if I'm putting
myself in their headspace.
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♪ ♪
265
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There's a psychology in it.
266
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- I'm in Wichita.
267
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Haven't been here since 2016.
268
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- Are you ready to go?
269
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- Okay.
270
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♪ ♪
271
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Dennis Rader is in El Dorado
Correctional Facility
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in Kansas.
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He's in a cell by himself,
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apart from the general
population in the prison.
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But he does have a phone
that he can use.
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- Okay.
277
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[laughs]
- Okay.
278
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In order to produce
the kind of book I wanted,
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I needed to get permission
from family members
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of the victims
who had formed a trust.
281
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Dennis Rader had signed over
his life rights
282
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to the victims' family trust
as part of a settlement.
283
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So Dennis Rader
gets absolutely no profit
284
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from any of the work
I do with him.
285
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So what's your cell like?
286
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- The way to approach
really any offender
287
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is to be nonjudgmental.
288
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That's the first rule.
289
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You have to be able to listen
to what they have to say,
290
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no matter what they have to say.
291
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♪ ♪
292
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- But at the same time,
293
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you also must keep
your goals in mind.
294
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You must set parameters
295
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and keep some respect
in the process.
296
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Is that why you call yourself
a cave monster?
297
00:15:36,886 --> 00:15:39,555
- Rader loves
to manipulate people.
298
00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:45,152
And I know, despite a long
involvement with Dennis Rader,
299
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I could easily be used
and exploited in some way.
300
00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:51,316
So yeah, I have to keep my
guard up really all the time.
301
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♪ ♪
302
00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,750
Dennis Rader was 28 years old
303
00:15:59,835 --> 00:16:04,079
when he murdered four members
of the Otero family.
304
00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:06,007
By all appearances,
305
00:16:06,166 --> 00:16:08,333
Dennis Rader was an average joe,
306
00:16:08,418 --> 00:16:10,177
and he lived in Wichita
his whole life
307
00:16:10,262 --> 00:16:15,016
except for the years
from 1966 to 1970,
308
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,842
when he served in the air force.
309
00:16:16,926 --> 00:16:20,095
♪ ♪
310
00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,524
- I met the Rader family
before Dennis.
311
00:16:23,608 --> 00:16:26,435
We went to church together
at Christ Lutheran.
312
00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,103
♪ ♪
313
00:16:28,188 --> 00:16:30,448
I remember Dennis
coming back in '70
314
00:16:30,607 --> 00:16:32,274
from the service.
315
00:16:32,358 --> 00:16:33,784
It was a big deal.
316
00:16:33,869 --> 00:16:35,611
All the people of the church
who had been there
317
00:16:35,695 --> 00:16:38,197
for years knew him.
318
00:16:38,281 --> 00:16:40,532
So they were welcoming him home
319
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:42,126
and, you know,
"How are you doing?"
320
00:16:42,285 --> 00:16:43,544
And, "Where you going to work?"
321
00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:44,962
♪ ♪
322
00:16:45,121 --> 00:16:48,373
We had an old basketball goal.
323
00:16:48,467 --> 00:16:50,709
Dennis and his brothers
would play.
324
00:16:50,802 --> 00:16:53,128
Dennis didn't like to lose.
325
00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:56,799
He was a little bit
of a bully, arrogant,
326
00:16:56,883 --> 00:16:58,809
older, better, whatever--
327
00:16:58,968 --> 00:17:01,303
You know, those kind of things.
328
00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:03,138
♪ ♪
329
00:17:03,231 --> 00:17:07,726
- In 1970, Dennis Rader
returned from the air force,
330
00:17:07,811 --> 00:17:10,479
and he's 25 years old.
331
00:17:10,572 --> 00:17:14,992
The world that Dennis Rader's
coming back to, the Midwest,
332
00:17:15,077 --> 00:17:17,995
puts a big emphasis
on family values,
333
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,074
where what matters
is going to church,
334
00:17:22,158 --> 00:17:24,418
getting a job,
335
00:17:24,577 --> 00:17:28,422
getting married,
and raising a family.
336
00:17:28,581 --> 00:17:30,674
His parents wanted
to introduce him
337
00:17:30,834 --> 00:17:33,511
to a girl at their church.
338
00:17:33,595 --> 00:17:38,265
He met her and got married
pretty quickly.
339
00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:40,434
What were you anticipating
340
00:17:40,593 --> 00:17:42,770
when you thought
about getting married?
341
00:17:42,854 --> 00:17:45,272
What were you anticipating
being as a husband?
342
00:18:05,544 --> 00:18:07,878
- The question
is commonly raised,
343
00:18:07,963 --> 00:18:10,455
can serial killers--
344
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:13,467
Can they ever
really love someone?
345
00:18:13,626 --> 00:18:17,388
If a serial killer
has what we call
346
00:18:17,547 --> 00:18:19,464
the brain of a psychopath,
347
00:18:19,558 --> 00:18:22,467
their emotions
tend to be shallow,
348
00:18:22,552 --> 00:18:28,473
and their ability to process
moral information is distorted.
349
00:18:28,558 --> 00:18:32,644
If Dennis Rader talks
about loving someone,
350
00:18:32,737 --> 00:18:34,730
it could be
that he really doesn't
351
00:18:34,814 --> 00:18:36,732
experience that very deeply.
352
00:18:36,816 --> 00:18:38,567
♪ ♪
353
00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:41,236
Rader got his dream job,
as he would call it,
354
00:18:41,321 --> 00:18:44,156
at Cessna, building aircraft.
355
00:18:44,249 --> 00:18:46,500
But then a short time later,
he lost the job.
356
00:18:46,659 --> 00:18:48,160
♪ ♪
357
00:18:48,253 --> 00:18:50,838
And this was
a big failure for him.
358
00:18:50,997 --> 00:18:53,924
He couldn't figure out
why he'd been laid off.
359
00:18:54,083 --> 00:18:58,345
And he also had the pressure
of how he'd support his wife.
360
00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:01,682
You got a job at Cessna
which you loved, right?
361
00:19:01,841 --> 00:19:03,100
- Oh, yeah, yeah.
362
00:19:03,259 --> 00:19:05,603
- And then you were laid off.
363
00:19:05,687 --> 00:19:07,605
- Mm-hmm.
- What was that like for you?
364
00:19:18,191 --> 00:19:20,442
- But why would that--
Why would getting laid off
365
00:19:20,526 --> 00:19:22,027
get you to the point
366
00:19:22,111 --> 00:19:23,829
where you want to break
in someone's house?
367
00:19:37,377 --> 00:19:38,794
♪ ♪
368
00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:40,304
- When you talk about
your organized offender,
369
00:19:40,388 --> 00:19:42,473
which if you look from
Dennis Rader's perspective,
370
00:19:42,557 --> 00:19:44,549
most of what he did would fall
371
00:19:44,643 --> 00:19:47,886
into what we call
an organized-offender style...
372
00:19:47,971 --> 00:19:49,480
♪ ♪
373
00:19:49,639 --> 00:19:52,057
They plan, and he actually
374
00:19:52,141 --> 00:19:54,476
would execute practice sessions
375
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,979
to see what it was like
to break glass,
376
00:19:57,063 --> 00:19:58,656
go through a house
he wasn't familiar with
377
00:19:58,815 --> 00:20:00,241
until he thought he was ready.
378
00:20:00,325 --> 00:20:01,400
He would try to get
the timing down
379
00:20:01,484 --> 00:20:03,994
of his potential suspects,
380
00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:05,988
then use that to have
a successful event.
381
00:20:06,072 --> 00:20:07,748
♪ ♪
382
00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:11,252
- That person wasn't involved
in your layoff.
383
00:20:11,411 --> 00:20:12,911
Why would you pick
someone like that
384
00:20:12,996 --> 00:20:15,756
to take out your frustration on?
385
00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:24,390
- Did it work?
386
00:20:26,342 --> 00:20:27,592
♪ ♪
387
00:20:27,686 --> 00:20:31,596
- When he got fired,
he was so angry
388
00:20:31,690 --> 00:20:35,017
that he wanted to do
something destructive,
389
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:38,020
to act out against society.
390
00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:42,449
And that meant breaking laws,
and that made him feel better.
391
00:20:42,608 --> 00:20:45,610
It just gave him a sense
of being powerful again,
392
00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:48,780
and he was ready to move forward
393
00:20:48,873 --> 00:20:51,709
with something
far more serious and lethal.
394
00:20:59,709 --> 00:21:02,594
♪ ♪
395
00:21:06,808 --> 00:21:09,643
[dramatic music]
396
00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:14,982
- In 1974, Wichita was just
a large Midwestern city.
397
00:21:15,141 --> 00:21:18,477
About 250,000 people lived here.
398
00:21:18,561 --> 00:21:21,897
The main jobs here
were agriculture and aviation.
399
00:21:21,981 --> 00:21:24,408
♪ ♪
400
00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:28,153
What we didn't have here
is crime.
401
00:21:28,237 --> 00:21:30,914
We had the occasional
burglaries and robberies,
402
00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:34,835
but the bad stuff happened
on the East or West Coast.
403
00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:37,079
It didn't happen
in Wichita, Kansas.
404
00:21:37,163 --> 00:21:39,915
♪ ♪
405
00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:42,176
- We ended up in Wichita
after my father
406
00:21:42,335 --> 00:21:43,835
had gotten out of the air force.
407
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,181
He found a job here in Wichita
at Cook Airfield.
408
00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:51,018
There were five of us kids
in the family.
409
00:21:51,102 --> 00:21:53,512
I was the oldest.
410
00:21:53,596 --> 00:21:56,765
Josie was very artistic,
creative.
411
00:21:56,849 --> 00:22:00,018
She wrote poetry,
drew a lot of pictures.
412
00:22:00,103 --> 00:22:02,687
Joey was just like a little man.
413
00:22:02,772 --> 00:22:04,523
I mean, he was already
a lady-killer,
414
00:22:04,607 --> 00:22:08,026
good-looking, totally athletic.
415
00:22:08,111 --> 00:22:10,278
My mom and dad
had this relationship
416
00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,280
of unbelievable love.
417
00:22:12,365 --> 00:22:14,375
♪ ♪
418
00:22:14,459 --> 00:22:17,119
You know, he adored her.
419
00:22:17,203 --> 00:22:19,121
♪ ♪
420
00:22:19,205 --> 00:22:21,623
It's the kind of love
you wish you could find.
421
00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:23,634
They lived together,
and they died together.
422
00:22:23,718 --> 00:22:26,545
They basically died
looking in each other's eyes.
423
00:22:26,629 --> 00:22:29,631
♪ ♪
424
00:22:29,715 --> 00:22:32,717
In January of 1974,
I was 15 years old.
425
00:22:32,802 --> 00:22:34,136
♪ ♪
426
00:22:34,229 --> 00:22:36,397
It had been snowing.
427
00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:38,890
It was the day
of testing for school.
428
00:22:38,975 --> 00:22:41,309
I asked my dad to take me
to school early that day
429
00:22:41,394 --> 00:22:43,812
so that I could get
to that early study hall.
430
00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:47,232
And Danny and Carmen
had to go with me
431
00:22:47,316 --> 00:22:49,901
because they were riding
with him also.
432
00:22:49,986 --> 00:22:53,155
Took my tests, aced everything.
433
00:22:53,248 --> 00:22:54,164
♪ ♪
434
00:22:54,323 --> 00:22:56,575
I was walking home.
435
00:22:56,659 --> 00:22:59,920
Walked over to the back gate,
opened it up,
436
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:01,997
and my dog, Lucky, was outside.
437
00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:04,258
♪ ♪
438
00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:07,085
And that was totally not normal.
439
00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:08,345
So I said, "Hey, Lucky,
440
00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:09,421
what are you doing
out here, buddy?"
441
00:23:09,505 --> 00:23:10,931
♪ ♪
442
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:14,342
I went to the back door,
opened it up...
443
00:23:14,427 --> 00:23:15,760
♪ ♪
444
00:23:15,854 --> 00:23:17,855
And I noticed
that my mom's purse
445
00:23:18,014 --> 00:23:20,015
was on the stove, flipped up.
446
00:23:20,099 --> 00:23:21,766
♪ ♪
447
00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:23,935
So I yelled out,
"Is anybody home?"
448
00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:25,279
♪ ♪
449
00:23:25,438 --> 00:23:26,605
One of my siblings yelled out,
450
00:23:26,698 --> 00:23:28,023
"Charlie, come back here.
451
00:23:28,116 --> 00:23:30,609
Mom and dad are playing
a bad trick on us."
452
00:23:30,702 --> 00:23:32,861
So I ran back down the hall.
453
00:23:32,945 --> 00:23:34,613
♪ ♪
454
00:23:34,697 --> 00:23:37,282
I looked and saw my mom
laying on the bed.
455
00:23:37,366 --> 00:23:39,626
She was beat up.
456
00:23:39,785 --> 00:23:41,536
My dad had a belt
around his neck.
457
00:23:41,621 --> 00:23:42,880
♪ ♪
458
00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:44,798
You could smell the death.
459
00:23:44,883 --> 00:23:46,550
You could smell the fear.
You could smell all--
460
00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:49,377
I could--to this day,
I can smell fear.
461
00:23:49,471 --> 00:23:50,545
♪ ♪
462
00:23:50,638 --> 00:23:53,298
My heart just broke.
463
00:23:53,382 --> 00:23:55,967
It felt like somebody
had ripped my chest wide open
464
00:23:56,052 --> 00:23:58,053
and taken--and pulled
my heart out.
465
00:23:58,137 --> 00:23:59,980
♪ ♪
466
00:24:00,139 --> 00:24:01,815
I told Danny to get on the phone
467
00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:03,225
and call the police.
468
00:24:03,309 --> 00:24:04,651
♪ ♪
469
00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:06,228
He yelled
that the phone was dead.
470
00:24:06,321 --> 00:24:08,146
♪ ♪
471
00:24:08,231 --> 00:24:10,398
So I told Danny to go next door
and call the police.
472
00:24:10,483 --> 00:24:12,817
♪ ♪
473
00:24:12,911 --> 00:24:14,486
- Crime scene investigators
474
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:17,915
and detectives
from Wichita police showed up.
475
00:24:17,999 --> 00:24:21,001
And the three
older Otero children
476
00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:23,921
didn't know where their
11-year-old sister was
477
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,330
and 9-year-old brother.
478
00:24:25,414 --> 00:24:27,341
♪ ♪
479
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,927
- When police went
through the house,
480
00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:32,921
they also found Joey Jr.
481
00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,924
Dead in his bedroom
482
00:24:36,017 --> 00:24:39,761
and Josephine hanged
from a pipe in the basement.
483
00:24:39,845 --> 00:24:43,181
♪ ♪
484
00:24:43,266 --> 00:24:45,767
- They took us
to the police department.
485
00:24:45,851 --> 00:24:48,862
I asked for Joey and Josie.
486
00:24:48,947 --> 00:24:52,699
And finally, a police captain
and a chaplain came up to me
487
00:24:52,858 --> 00:24:54,776
and said,
"Charlie, we gotta tell you
488
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:57,621
"that Joey and Josie...
489
00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:59,623
were in the house."
490
00:24:59,707 --> 00:25:02,459
And once again, it felt like
they'd ripped my heart out
491
00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:04,119
all over again.
492
00:25:04,203 --> 00:25:06,621
[sobs]
493
00:25:06,706 --> 00:25:09,124
[sighs]
494
00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:10,792
Sorry.
495
00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:16,223
♪ ♪
496
00:25:16,307 --> 00:25:19,309
The crime scene
investigators noted
497
00:25:19,394 --> 00:25:22,729
that the thermostat had been
turned extremely high.
498
00:25:31,314 --> 00:25:32,564
♪ ♪
499
00:25:32,657 --> 00:25:34,316
- Rader would often
take his ideas
500
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,830
from true-detective magazines
or fiction about crimes.
501
00:25:39,914 --> 00:25:44,743
And so he had read
if you turn up the thermostat,
502
00:25:44,836 --> 00:25:47,504
it makes bodies decompose faster
503
00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:49,506
and foils the ability
504
00:25:49,665 --> 00:25:53,844
to determine the time of death.
505
00:25:54,003 --> 00:25:57,764
- The lack of items stolen
would give you the indication
506
00:25:57,923 --> 00:26:00,601
that the motive
behind these killings
507
00:26:00,685 --> 00:26:02,427
was not a home invasion.
508
00:26:02,511 --> 00:26:05,430
It was more for
the sexual gratification.
509
00:26:05,514 --> 00:26:07,441
♪ ♪
510
00:26:07,525 --> 00:26:11,194
- The police, when they found
11-year-old Josephine
511
00:26:11,354 --> 00:26:12,779
partially clothed,
512
00:26:12,938 --> 00:26:16,524
there was semen on her
and around her body.
513
00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:18,360
♪ ♪
514
00:26:18,444 --> 00:26:22,864
- DNA was not even on law
enforcement radar in the '70s.
515
00:26:22,948 --> 00:26:24,541
And that's one
of the remarkable things
516
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:27,118
about this case is the way
the Wichita Police Department
517
00:26:27,203 --> 00:26:29,537
original crime scene folks
518
00:26:29,622 --> 00:26:31,465
collected that evidence
and maintained it
519
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:33,300
so that it was not contaminated
520
00:26:33,384 --> 00:26:35,710
so that it was available for DNA
521
00:26:35,795 --> 00:26:39,381
when DNA came along years later.
522
00:26:39,474 --> 00:26:44,052
- The Otero murders were
the first taste of a maniac
523
00:26:44,145 --> 00:26:46,813
that we knew was loose
somewhere in Wichita,
524
00:26:46,898 --> 00:26:47,889
somewhere in Kansas.
525
00:26:47,982 --> 00:26:49,307
♪ ♪
526
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,901
We thought it was a one-off,
527
00:26:50,985 --> 00:26:53,228
a one-time deal.
528
00:26:53,321 --> 00:26:55,155
We were wrong.
529
00:26:59,827 --> 00:27:01,236
[dramatic music]
530
00:27:01,329 --> 00:27:07,501
- Now we're on our way to what
was once the Otero house
531
00:27:07,585 --> 00:27:11,672
where Dennis Rader
committed his first murders,
532
00:27:11,756 --> 00:27:13,832
four people in a single family.
533
00:27:13,916 --> 00:27:16,510
♪ ♪
534
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:18,095
- Hi, Doctor.
- Hello. How are you?
535
00:27:18,254 --> 00:27:20,597
- Pleasure to meet you.
- You too.
536
00:27:20,756 --> 00:27:23,758
Can you tell me something about
when you were here that day...
537
00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:25,519
- Sure.
- What it was like?
538
00:27:25,603 --> 00:27:29,097
- We had no idea what was
going on here at all.
539
00:27:29,181 --> 00:27:30,515
♪ ♪
540
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:32,267
Detectives were
running in and out,
541
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,277
and no one would talk to me.
542
00:27:34,362 --> 00:27:35,687
- But you knew them?
- I knew them.
543
00:27:35,771 --> 00:27:37,114
- And they knew you. Okay.
- Yeah, I knew them.
544
00:27:37,273 --> 00:27:38,523
And I'd go up to them,
545
00:27:38,607 --> 00:27:42,619
and they'd say,
"Can't talk now. Busy."
546
00:27:42,778 --> 00:27:46,698
In 1974, I was the chief
photographer for KAKE TV.
547
00:27:46,782 --> 00:27:48,792
♪ ♪
548
00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,535
All the reporters there
were trying to get
549
00:27:50,619 --> 00:27:52,287
the police department
to say something.
550
00:27:52,371 --> 00:27:55,290
Finally, they said
that four people
551
00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:56,958
had died in the house.
552
00:27:57,042 --> 00:27:58,626
♪ ♪
553
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,547
Well, that was huge.
554
00:28:02,631 --> 00:28:04,641
Four people dying in a house
in Wichita, Kansas?
555
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,393
That just didn't happen.
556
00:28:06,552 --> 00:28:09,471
- The bodies of Joseph Otero,
his wife, Julie,
557
00:28:09,564 --> 00:28:12,056
their daughter Josephine,
and their son Joseph II
558
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,484
were discovered
in their east Wichita home.
559
00:28:14,569 --> 00:28:16,153
The victims had been bound,
560
00:28:16,237 --> 00:28:18,989
gagged,
and strangled with a cord.
561
00:28:19,073 --> 00:28:20,991
- The investigators
looked shaken,
562
00:28:21,075 --> 00:28:23,744
and it was basically
from the children,
563
00:28:23,903 --> 00:28:27,322
what they saw and what had
been done to the children.
564
00:28:27,406 --> 00:28:28,823
That would shake anybody.
565
00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:31,242
[siren wailing]
566
00:28:31,327 --> 00:28:33,545
- Do you remember
where you spotted her?
567
00:28:37,666 --> 00:28:39,009
♪ ♪
568
00:28:59,021 --> 00:29:01,782
♪ ♪
569
00:29:01,866 --> 00:29:03,283
- When I talked to Dennis Rader,
570
00:29:03,367 --> 00:29:06,361
he had targeted the wife,
not the children.
571
00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:08,613
The children were just
collateral damage.
572
00:29:08,697 --> 00:29:10,198
♪ ♪
573
00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:13,460
And he said it
in such a matter-of-fact way
574
00:29:13,544 --> 00:29:14,702
that was haunting.
575
00:29:14,787 --> 00:29:15,962
♪ ♪
576
00:29:23,554 --> 00:29:25,129
- What was your plan?
577
00:29:25,214 --> 00:29:27,474
What did you think
you were going to do that day?
578
00:29:38,394 --> 00:29:40,445
♪ ♪
579
00:30:12,094 --> 00:30:14,262
♪ ♪
580
00:30:14,346 --> 00:30:17,107
- He didn't know
that Joseph Otero Sr.
581
00:30:17,266 --> 00:30:19,017
Was not going to work.
582
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:22,687
He also did not know
they had a dog.
583
00:30:22,771 --> 00:30:25,773
All he's thinking about is,
he's picked them,
584
00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:28,785
he has a limited time frame
in which to act,
585
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:31,529
and now he must
complete the plan.
586
00:30:31,614 --> 00:30:33,031
♪ ♪
587
00:30:33,115 --> 00:30:36,960
What we do know
about psychopathic killers
588
00:30:37,044 --> 00:30:40,380
is that they tend to overfocus.
589
00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:42,957
So it's as if they're a train
on a track
590
00:30:43,042 --> 00:30:44,626
that is not going to stop
591
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:47,721
till it gets to its goal,
no matter what.
592
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,631
- As you talked to Dennis Rader,
593
00:30:49,715 --> 00:30:51,215
did you feel at any point
594
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:52,893
that he was trying
to manipulate you?
595
00:30:53,052 --> 00:30:54,469
- Always.
- Yeah.
596
00:30:54,553 --> 00:30:58,640
- But I always knew
that's how he operates.
597
00:30:58,724 --> 00:31:00,901
- You've researched
all these serial killers.
598
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,810
Do you have dreams?
599
00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:07,065
- I do not, in part, I think,
because I do it clinically.
600
00:31:07,149 --> 00:31:09,400
- Do you compartmentalize?
- I probably do.
601
00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:11,912
- That's just
what Rader said he did.
602
00:31:11,996 --> 00:31:14,572
- He actually has
a better word for it: "cubing."
603
00:31:14,657 --> 00:31:17,992
Rader's idea of cubing
is that he's the cube
604
00:31:18,085 --> 00:31:20,587
with multiple sides
that he can switch in and out
605
00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:23,423
at any given time
for whatever is necessary.
606
00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:25,416
But he's still
all these other things.
607
00:31:25,501 --> 00:31:26,927
♪ ♪
608
00:31:47,523 --> 00:31:48,782
♪ ♪
609
00:31:48,941 --> 00:31:51,109
- After Rader
had killed four people,
610
00:31:51,193 --> 00:31:52,869
he went home.
611
00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:56,030
He knew that he had
to present himself to his wife
612
00:31:56,115 --> 00:31:58,124
as if everything was normal.
613
00:31:58,209 --> 00:32:02,620
So he pulled it together
very quickly and managed to act
614
00:32:02,713 --> 00:32:05,548
as if it was just a regular day
615
00:32:05,708 --> 00:32:07,133
and nothing had happened.
616
00:32:07,218 --> 00:32:09,877
And in retrospect,
617
00:32:09,962 --> 00:32:12,797
she didn't see anything
different about him.
618
00:32:12,881 --> 00:32:16,467
So he was able
to cube very quickly.
619
00:32:16,552 --> 00:32:18,311
♪ ♪
620
00:32:18,396 --> 00:32:19,646
- We've been
tracking him down...
621
00:32:19,805 --> 00:32:23,141
- Dennis Rader and other
serial killers like him
622
00:32:23,225 --> 00:32:27,237
can present themselves
in multiple ways,
623
00:32:27,321 --> 00:32:30,064
whatever works
for their purposes,
624
00:32:30,157 --> 00:32:32,400
and have no real concern
625
00:32:32,493 --> 00:32:36,070
about any inconsistencies
or contradictions,
626
00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:39,249
including moral judgments.
627
00:32:39,408 --> 00:32:44,662
And so yes, he can say
he feels shame or remorse.
628
00:32:44,755 --> 00:32:47,999
But that can all be
erased immediately
629
00:32:48,092 --> 00:32:51,419
if he's trying to present
the face of BTK,
630
00:32:51,503 --> 00:32:53,504
the infamous serial killer.
631
00:32:53,589 --> 00:32:54,848
♪ ♪
632
00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:56,591
Did you think
you would do it again?
633
00:32:56,675 --> 00:32:58,676
Did you think, "That's it.
I'm done.
634
00:32:58,761 --> 00:33:01,271
It's out of my system,"
or did you think--
635
00:33:06,602 --> 00:33:07,527
- Okay.
636
00:33:19,782 --> 00:33:20,957
[dramatic music]
637
00:33:21,042 --> 00:33:24,544
- It was horrible for people
here in Wichita,
638
00:33:24,703 --> 00:33:27,455
which was pretty much
a sleepy little town,
639
00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:28,706
to all of a sudden find
640
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,375
that this major massacre
of a family
641
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:33,711
had happened right here
642
00:33:33,796 --> 00:33:35,388
in our--in our community.
643
00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:36,631
♪ ♪
644
00:33:36,715 --> 00:33:39,476
- It was a huge story.
645
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,729
Most people at that time
thought it was a drug deal,
646
00:33:42,888 --> 00:33:44,981
because no person
in their right mind
647
00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:46,983
would kill a family.
648
00:33:47,142 --> 00:33:49,903
That didn't happen at all.
649
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:51,154
♪ ♪
650
00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:53,147
- Quadruple homicides today
651
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,242
are still rare, thankfully,
652
00:33:56,327 --> 00:33:58,486
but you can imagine
how rare they were then
653
00:33:58,570 --> 00:34:00,580
and then the kind
of attention that
654
00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:03,157
that kind of a homicide garnered
655
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:05,251
and the public outrage
and the public fear
656
00:34:05,336 --> 00:34:08,088
and the demands
that those investigators felt
657
00:34:08,247 --> 00:34:11,925
when lead after lead after lead
led them nowhere.
658
00:34:12,084 --> 00:34:14,001
♪ ♪
659
00:34:14,086 --> 00:34:16,921
- In 1974,
no one in law enforcement
660
00:34:17,014 --> 00:34:20,100
was using the phrase
"serial killer."
661
00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:23,511
It would really end up
being used later that decade
662
00:34:23,595 --> 00:34:25,680
and into the 1980s.
663
00:34:25,773 --> 00:34:29,851
But nobody really understood
what serial murder was about,
664
00:34:29,944 --> 00:34:32,278
in particular stranger murder.
665
00:34:32,437 --> 00:34:34,856
- Fear spread quickly
in the community.
666
00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:37,441
People began looking
over their shoulders.
667
00:34:37,535 --> 00:34:39,527
Doors and windows
were locked tight.
668
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:41,779
Gun sales skyrocketed.
669
00:34:41,864 --> 00:34:44,791
And the prevailing paranoia
was not without good reason.
670
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:46,209
♪ ♪
671
00:34:46,293 --> 00:34:49,036
- The Otero murders
changed the life,
672
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:53,550
I would think, of everybody
in the city at that time.
673
00:34:53,634 --> 00:34:55,459
It did in our own household.
674
00:34:55,553 --> 00:34:58,713
We did not lock a door
in our house
675
00:34:58,806 --> 00:35:01,307
until January of '74.
676
00:35:01,466 --> 00:35:03,309
♪ ♪
677
00:35:03,468 --> 00:35:04,894
- When we were talking
to the police detectives
678
00:35:05,053 --> 00:35:06,563
over a series of days
679
00:35:06,722 --> 00:35:07,722
and we were starting
to find out what's happened,
680
00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:09,899
it reminded me very much
681
00:35:10,058 --> 00:35:11,642
of the "In Cold Blood" murders
682
00:35:11,727 --> 00:35:14,562
in Holcomb, Kansas, in the '50s.
683
00:35:14,646 --> 00:35:16,489
It reminded me of that
because I had been
684
00:35:16,648 --> 00:35:19,901
at the hanging of
Richard Hickock and Smith.
685
00:35:19,985 --> 00:35:22,495
♪ ♪
686
00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:24,497
- The Clutter family was killed
687
00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:28,668
by a couple of recently
released prison inmates
688
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:30,670
that had been falsely told
689
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:35,091
that they had a safe
full of money at this farm.
690
00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:40,087
The prison inmates decided
to pull this home invasion.
691
00:35:40,172 --> 00:35:42,015
Showed up, killed the family,
692
00:35:42,099 --> 00:35:45,509
the four that were present,
in cold blood
693
00:35:45,603 --> 00:35:47,270
for just a small amount
of money and a radio,
694
00:35:47,429 --> 00:35:48,354
a transistor radio.
695
00:35:48,513 --> 00:35:50,014
♪ ♪
696
00:35:50,098 --> 00:35:53,601
- When news of the Clutter
murders rocked Kansas,
697
00:35:53,685 --> 00:35:55,862
it made a deep impression
on Rader.
698
00:35:56,021 --> 00:35:58,364
♪ ♪
699
00:35:58,449 --> 00:36:01,492
You did hear that on the radio
when it happened?
700
00:36:03,946 --> 00:36:05,371
♪ ♪
701
00:36:26,718 --> 00:36:29,145
- Dennis Rader was especially
interested in the fact
702
00:36:29,304 --> 00:36:33,224
that they had been bound
with rope before being killed,
703
00:36:33,317 --> 00:36:37,153
because he himself loved
the feel of ropes
704
00:36:37,312 --> 00:36:38,988
around his waist.
705
00:36:39,147 --> 00:36:42,158
And also, in his fantasies,
706
00:36:42,243 --> 00:36:45,736
he would be using rope
to bind his victims.
707
00:36:45,821 --> 00:36:48,906
So the fact
that the Clutter family
708
00:36:48,991 --> 00:36:52,168
had been bound with rope
appealed to him.
709
00:37:01,845 --> 00:37:05,181
- After Rader
murdered the Oteros,
710
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:07,600
he took a radio
711
00:37:07,759 --> 00:37:11,104
as if to establish
some link of solidarity
712
00:37:11,188 --> 00:37:14,932
to the Clutter killers,
who also had taken a radio.
713
00:37:15,017 --> 00:37:16,267
♪ ♪
714
00:37:16,351 --> 00:37:19,854
Rader aspired to become
a serial killer.
715
00:37:19,938 --> 00:37:23,357
So that meant
he needed to study them
716
00:37:23,442 --> 00:37:26,360
in order to figure it out.
717
00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:31,032
I think most serial killers
are not very creative
718
00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:32,533
or bright
about what they're doing.
719
00:37:32,626 --> 00:37:34,368
And they do tend to read
720
00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:38,706
what other killers
like themselves have done.
721
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:42,468
And yet Rader, I think,
took that to an extreme,
722
00:37:42,627 --> 00:37:45,796
where most of what he did
or thought about
723
00:37:45,889 --> 00:37:48,466
had been done before
by someone else.
724
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:52,136
He really was not that creative.
725
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:53,888
And in order to become
726
00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:56,816
the serial killer
he aspired to be,
727
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,644
after the Oteros,
he had to kill again.
728
00:38:00,729 --> 00:38:02,989
♪ ♪
729
00:38:07,652 --> 00:38:09,329
- After the Oteros,
730
00:38:09,413 --> 00:38:13,333
the Kathryn Bright murder
wasn't very long afterward.
731
00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:15,418
Didn't you think that was risky?
732
00:38:47,117 --> 00:38:50,528
- At this point,
he was going about his life
733
00:38:50,612 --> 00:38:53,614
as a student
at Wichita State University
734
00:38:53,707 --> 00:38:57,785
and a husband
and hoping to start a family.
735
00:38:57,878 --> 00:39:00,121
- It takes a different
type of mentality
736
00:39:00,205 --> 00:39:03,383
to commit a crime
during daylight hours--
737
00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:07,553
More confidence
and the ability to blend in--
738
00:39:07,638 --> 00:39:09,797
Than it would to work
under the cover of darkness.
739
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:12,383
So that tells you a little bit
about the mentality
740
00:39:12,467 --> 00:39:14,969
and the planning that was
going into these crimes.
741
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:18,556
- When you had picked out
Kathryn Bright,
742
00:39:18,649 --> 00:39:21,484
how long did--how long
did you watch her
743
00:39:21,643 --> 00:39:23,736
before you decided to act?
744
00:39:39,744 --> 00:39:41,829
♪ ♪
745
00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:44,748
- Kathryn Bright
was a 21-year-old girl
746
00:39:44,833 --> 00:39:47,084
who lived alone.
747
00:39:47,169 --> 00:39:50,004
She had a brother who was 19
who lived in Valley Center.
748
00:39:50,097 --> 00:39:51,589
♪ ♪
749
00:39:51,673 --> 00:39:53,841
One night, he spent the night
with his sister
750
00:39:53,925 --> 00:39:55,759
so they could go shopping
the next morning,
751
00:39:55,844 --> 00:39:57,344
and they got up,
and they went shopping.
752
00:39:57,438 --> 00:39:58,512
♪ ♪
753
00:39:58,597 --> 00:40:00,514
A normal day at that point.
754
00:40:00,607 --> 00:40:02,349
♪ ♪
755
00:40:02,443 --> 00:40:05,769
- BTK prided himself
on meticulous planning,
756
00:40:05,863 --> 00:40:06,946
or at least he thought he did.
757
00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:08,355
♪ ♪
758
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,116
He knew who Kathryn Bright was.
759
00:40:10,275 --> 00:40:12,952
He had monitored her
for a while.
760
00:40:13,111 --> 00:40:15,288
But he was not
expecting a brother.
761
00:40:15,447 --> 00:40:16,780
♪ ♪
762
00:40:16,874 --> 00:40:18,458
Well, the brother came in,
763
00:40:18,542 --> 00:40:22,286
and BTK had to do something
with the brother,
764
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:25,456
because the brother
was immediate threat.
765
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:28,209
- He tied me up,
had me tie my sister up,
766
00:40:28,302 --> 00:40:31,137
and he separated us
into separate bedrooms.
767
00:40:31,221 --> 00:40:35,883
And he came back in and was
gonna strangle me to death.
768
00:40:35,976 --> 00:40:38,969
And I broke loose the bonds
he had me tied up with
769
00:40:39,054 --> 00:40:41,472
and jumped up
and fought him for the gun.
770
00:40:41,556 --> 00:40:42,973
♪ ♪
771
00:40:43,066 --> 00:40:44,567
He jerked it away from me,
772
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:47,153
and then he shot me
the first time in the head.
773
00:40:47,237 --> 00:40:50,064
And I went down,
and then he thought I was dead.
774
00:40:50,157 --> 00:40:51,565
♪ ♪
775
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:54,818
- This was not
in BTK's plan at all.
776
00:40:54,903 --> 00:40:57,154
He was there to kill
Kathryn Bright
777
00:40:57,247 --> 00:40:59,240
and to do all
of the torturous things
778
00:40:59,324 --> 00:41:01,167
that he did to Kathryn Bright.
779
00:41:01,251 --> 00:41:03,077
A brother?
That wasn't in the plan.
780
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:05,079
♪ ♪
781
00:41:05,163 --> 00:41:07,081
- So a second fight entails.
782
00:41:07,165 --> 00:41:08,666
He once again shoots him,
783
00:41:08,759 --> 00:41:11,010
thinks he's killed him,
and goes back
784
00:41:11,094 --> 00:41:12,836
to attack Kathryn
once more time.
785
00:41:12,921 --> 00:41:14,764
And next thing he heard
was the front door open,
786
00:41:14,923 --> 00:41:16,349
and Kevin's running away.
787
00:41:16,508 --> 00:41:18,267
So he knew his time was limited.
788
00:41:18,426 --> 00:41:20,770
So he didn't get to do
everything he wanted to do.
789
00:41:20,929 --> 00:41:23,689
He said he knew he had
to kill her and just move on,
790
00:41:23,774 --> 00:41:24,932
so he stabbed her.
791
00:41:25,025 --> 00:41:26,526
♪ ♪
792
00:41:39,289 --> 00:41:41,707
- But as soon as he had
stabbed Kathryn Bright,
793
00:41:41,866 --> 00:41:44,535
he realized this was not
what he wanted to do.
794
00:41:44,619 --> 00:41:47,296
What he liked
was to strangle people,
795
00:41:47,381 --> 00:41:49,632
to bind them and strangle them.
796
00:41:49,716 --> 00:41:51,709
Stabbing was not in the picture,
797
00:41:51,802 --> 00:41:53,886
and never again did he use it.
798
00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:55,388
♪ ♪
799
00:42:09,894 --> 00:42:12,488
♪ ♪
800
00:42:12,647 --> 00:42:16,576
- When did you first feel
like you were a serial killer?
801
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,410
- Now that Rader
had murdered people
802
00:42:26,503 --> 00:42:29,079
in two separate incidents
803
00:42:29,164 --> 00:42:31,582
in unrelated locations,
804
00:42:31,666 --> 00:42:34,343
he instinctively knew
he was among
805
00:42:34,502 --> 00:42:37,513
the rare group of killers
that grabbed headlines.
806
00:42:37,672 --> 00:42:39,757
- Motiveless, random killings,
807
00:42:39,841 --> 00:42:42,009
sometimes thousands
of miles apart.
808
00:42:42,102 --> 00:42:43,853
A Justice Department
investigator calls it
809
00:42:44,012 --> 00:42:46,188
terrifying, an epidemic.
810
00:42:46,273 --> 00:42:47,848
They're known as serial killers.
811
00:42:47,941 --> 00:42:49,683
And according to
law enforcement officials,
812
00:42:49,768 --> 00:42:51,277
there are at least 35 of them
813
00:42:51,436 --> 00:42:54,355
roaming the country now,
stalking victims.
814
00:42:54,439 --> 00:42:57,700
- Dennis Rader had aspired
to become a serial killer.
815
00:42:57,859 --> 00:42:59,869
And with these murders,
816
00:43:00,028 --> 00:43:02,196
he had become BTK.
817
00:43:02,289 --> 00:43:07,209
♪ ♪
818
00:43:07,369 --> 00:43:09,462
He loved murder.
819
00:43:09,621 --> 00:43:13,549
He loved the idea
that he was a serial killer.
820
00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:16,218
Why did you like hanging cats?
821
00:43:19,714 --> 00:43:22,049
- Although he looked normal
on the outside,
822
00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:24,051
it just gives you
a glimpse of the monster
823
00:43:24,135 --> 00:43:25,645
that was living inside him.
824
00:43:28,973 --> 00:43:31,734
- We have no solid leads at all.
825
00:43:31,893 --> 00:43:34,987
- That was like an atomic bomb
going off in the city.
826
00:43:35,072 --> 00:43:37,731
"How many people
do I have to kill
827
00:43:37,816 --> 00:43:39,650
"before I get my name
in the paper?
828
00:43:39,734 --> 00:43:44,246
BTK."
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