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Federal agents, why would
they still be here if they...
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Why would I make them
so uncomfortable?
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Who are you people?
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So, what do you think
is the biggest threat right now?
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I think the biggest threat
is the FBI, the NSA,
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um, and their counterparts
in foreign governments.
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I mean, these are all,
essentially, you know,
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companies, right?
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They try to justify their
budgets in various ways,
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often by scaremongering.
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I make this look good.
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What are the Men In Black?
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People have been reporting
their own Men In Black
experiences
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and eyewitness accounts
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since the beginning
of the UFO cover-up history.
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The burning question
in most people's minds
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surrounding the infamous
MIB accounts is,
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what are the Men In Black?
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Well, the Men In Black
is a concept
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that's been in the UFO field
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since, really, the beginning
of the UFO field essentially.
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Um, and there is
a weird thing about it
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because there's always been
two different components
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to this phenomenon.
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Um, there are cases
where a UFO witness
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or someone who
has some connection
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to the UFO phenomenon,
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uh, is then accosted
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by, usually, two individuals,
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often in pairs,
sometimes singular,
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sometimes even more than two,
but often, two.
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And there are times when, uh,
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very, like, ordinary,
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like human-looking
intelligence types
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approach someone
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and either warn them
off of their investigation,
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or will actually make it
very clear to them
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that they're dealing
with a UFO phenomenon.
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But in all cases,
the idea is to scare off
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or intimidate the witness
so that they don't pursue
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whatever it is
that they're looking into.
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Historical accounts
of the Men In Black
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recall the overwhelming
sensation of fear
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experienced by those
who have had prior encounters
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with UFOs or something
out of the extraordinary.
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This fear
is a tool used to suppress
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an incredible UFO event
from the public.
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What are their true goals?
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Are they outdated military
relics from the past?
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Or are they covertly
influencing today's society
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through misinformation,
fake news?
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The earliest recorded encounter
with a man in black
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was in 1947.
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Harold Dahl, a conservationist,
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was near the shore
of Maury Island in Washington.
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Dahl's job was to retrieve
serviceable lumber,
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that was often just
floating around in the water
back in those days.
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And he would bring it back,
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and that would be
their business,
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that's their business model.
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And so Dahl is out on a boat,
uh, for this purpose
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with his teenage son
and dog, actually.
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And he sees six discs...
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...in the air. We're talking,
this is June, 1947.
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This is actually, uh,
right before,
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a couple of days before
Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting
of flying saucers
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over by Mount Rainier
in the state of Washington.
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So, uh, just a few days
before that
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Dahl is out in his boat
in the water
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and he sees
these six disc-like objects,
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one of them's in trouble.
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And it's, uh, wobbling
and it's...
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It seems to be losing
its stability.
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And the other discs
come toward it,
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according to his description,
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and this disc that's in trouble
releases material
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that, uh, almost looked like
some kind of slag, that is, uh,
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like a rocky type of, uh,
material that comes out.
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And according
to what Dahl said,
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some of this material
hit his son,
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injuring his son's arm
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and supposedly
killed his dog.
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And then after the object lost
its material,
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it regained its stability
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and all of these objects
then, uh, departed.
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So Dahl, uh,
spoke to his supervisor,
Fred Crisman.
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Here's where the Men In Black
scenario comes in
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with Harold Dahl.
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The next day...
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What it comes down to is,
he's at... There's a diner.
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There was a diner in that area
where he's having breakfast
the next day,
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and he has a conversation
with this mysterious man
he's never met before.
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Dahl initially expected
this man was a lumber dealer,
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and he was expecting just to do
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a standard business
arrangement with this guy.
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He deals... He dealt
with strangers all the time
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who were interested in lumber.
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It turns out this man
was nothing of the sort.
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This man then relates
every single thing
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that had happened
to Dahl the previous day.
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And he knew all about it,
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uh, to Dahl's shock.
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I mean, that would be
a shocking thing
for anyone to experience.
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And this mysterious man
essentially said, "Look,
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"you're just going to
leave this alone
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"and you're not going to pursue
this in any way whatsoever,
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"if you know
what's good for you."
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And so, uh, that's
an intimidating experience
for so many reasons.
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You can imagine,
poor Harold Dahl thinking...
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This is 1947.
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You're in America in 1947,
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you're not under the assumption
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that you're living
in a surveillance state.
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And so, imagine the shock
he had to have felt
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thinking, "Wait, what?
How do you know
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"about anything that
happened to me yesterday?"
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So, there's that level
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and then there's the implied
threat from this man,
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which just added to it.
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Dahl did not have
in his possession,
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uh, the slag at the time.
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There was an enormous
amount of this stuff.
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So, like, we're talking
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much more than any one person
could carry around with them.
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Um, the bulk of this ended up
in the possession
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of Fred Crisman, Dahl's boss.
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And eventually,
the United States Air Force
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sends two men
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to investigate and retrieve
whatever this material is.
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And they actually
do get to do this.
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And they load all of this
slag material onto
an Air Force transport...
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Actually, this is
Army Air Corps at the time.
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This is just before
the Air Force
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has become a independent,
unified entity,
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separate from the Army.
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So they come up from
McChord Airfield in California,
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to acquire this material,
and they do,
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and on their way back
from Maury Island,
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their plane catches fire
and goes down and they die.
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That's what happened.
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Uh,
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and after that I...
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I don't know what happened
to the slag material
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or whatever this was,
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but their plane crashed.
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What is the true mission
of the Men In Black?
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Is it the suppression
of information
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regarding UFOs
and extraterrestrials?
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Or is it to aid them
and further their agenda?
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So,
relating to the story
of a man named Albert Bender
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who also had
a very interesting experience,
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which actually coined
the phrase " Men In Black."
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Bender was one of the earliest,
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uh, organizers of, kind of,
civilian UFO groups.
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There was the International
Flying Saucer Bureau.
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Uh, it was a publication
that was quite successful
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by 1952 standards.
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You know,
printing out the publication,
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mailing it out and getting
subscriptions that way,
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it's not easy. It wasn't
easy to do back then.
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Albert K. Bender founded
the International
Flying Saucer Bureau
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in 1952,
during the big UFO flap.
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Now, this was a phenomena
that he had been studying
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and following for years
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and decided that
there needed to be
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one centralized location
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to put all of this information
that had been gathered.
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But he was
doing a pretty good job.
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Now, 1952 was a very big year
for UFOs in the United States.
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A very, very big year.
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Um, you know,
according to Project Blue Book,
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which was doing investigations
and taking reports,
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that was by far
the biggest year they had.
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Yeah, you could say that
Project Blue Book was, uh...
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You could say the first AATIP.
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You know, the Advanced Aerial
Threat Identification Program
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that we've learned about
since then.
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But in Blue Book they, um,
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had over 1,500 UFO reports
for that year, which...
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This is all pre-Internet.
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To get that many reports
that people send in is...
It's a lot.
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A lot of those were very
intense military encounters.
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Very well documented.
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Uh, this is the year that
for two weekends in a row,
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flying saucers were seen over
the Capitol in Washington, DC
that summer.
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It was the summer in which
the United States Air Force
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held an enormous
press conference all about this.
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It was the year in which,
if you were to go into
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Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base's, um,
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Project Blue Book Office,
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according to Edward Ruppelt
who was running it back then,
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he said,
"If you were to come in here,
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"you would have thought
there was an invasion underway."
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It was that intense.
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Uh, there were a lot of people
in the military
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who actually believed
that the secret was going to
come out that year.
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That's how big it was.
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So in the midst of all that,
you have a young guy
like Bender
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who is investigating this
on his own, and he's,
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you know, getting contributions
from other writers,
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and he's got
a decent publication going.
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It's quite successful.
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Now, this blew up and went
international immediately.
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Within that first year,
he already had offices
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in the UK and also Australia.
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And you have to realize,
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this is long before
the Internet,
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cell phones
and our current technology.
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He was doing all of this
through snail mail
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and, if he could afford it,
long-distance telephone calls,
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back when you had to pay
long-distance charges.
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So, on a very limited budget,
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he was able to make
this very large organization
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that was compiling
all of this information
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on UFO activity at the time
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and also producing a newsletter
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that would get
mailed out as well.
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And then, seemingly
out of the blue in March, 1953
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he just shuts
the whole thing down
and just runs away.
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And no one hears
from Albert Bender.
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He just makes
this quick announcement,
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"I'm done. We're not doing
this anymore. See you."
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Nobody really knew
what truly happened.
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Gray Barker, a writer
and publisher at that time,
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also involved in
the UFO community,
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tried to get
some details out of him
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and published a few, uh,
scant details
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during the mid-1950s
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but never really
got a clear answer.
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But then, in the early 1960s,
a little over 10 years later,
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Gray Barker published a book
by Albert K. Bender called
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Flying Saucers
and the Three Men
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where Albert K. Bender
told his story
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about what had
really happened to him.
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And, um,
nine years after that,
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in 1962, Bender wrote a book
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called Flying Saucers
and the Three Men
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and he gives a... The story
about why this all...
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Why did he shut it down
in 1953, and...
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Uh, here's where we get
into a definite
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paranormal description
of the Men In Black.
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Now what Bender claimed
is that he started being visited
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by three strange men.
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He would go into his bedroom
at night and all of a sudden,
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three shadowy figures
would materialize
through the walls.
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Now these figures
were very dark in nature.
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They were wearing hats,
almost like a fedora style,
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and they had glowing eyes.
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Now, when I first
heard this story,
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coming from a paranormal
background like I do,
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I immediately thought of
shadow people,
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the hat-wearing shadow entities
that many people talk
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about observing
and having interactions with.
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Now, Albert K. Bender believed
that these were actually
extraterrestrials.
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That they had come
to warn him off
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of all the work
that he was doing
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and these guys are the reason
why he disbanded
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the International
Flying Saucer Bureau.
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Now, other people
hear this story
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and they believe
this is a Men In Black story.
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That it was the Men In Black
that had arrived
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and warned him off
of all of his
flying saucer research.
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Now, with Bender,
what he believed that
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these entities were,
that they were ETs,
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they were extraterrestrials
from some other world
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that had come to our planet
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to harvest resources
down in Antarctica,
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where they were harvesting
these resources
out of the water.
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They were here on
a 15-year mission to do so.
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And Albert Bender
could not say anything
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about the true nature
of what he had observed,
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who he was interacting with
and why he had disbanded
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the International
Flying Saucer Bureau
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until these ETs had left Earth.
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Which is why,
several years later,
in the 1960s,
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he came forth with his story
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and published the book
through Gray Barker.
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He noted that they had red eyes.
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So any time
you're going to see a being
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that can mysteriously
enter your room
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and they've got red eyes,
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I think the implication
is going to be
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that these aren't quite
from our neighborhood.
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They're from somewhere else.
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So, Bender...
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You know, it's tough enough
for people to accept
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this ordinary paranormal
element of the story,
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and that's difficult enough.
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Then he added
that they gave him...
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Well, they gave the reason
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why he couldn't
investigate this,
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and they, according to Bender,
they said,
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"Well, we're mining
under in Antarctica.
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"And this is very important
and we don't want you
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"to disturb this
and cause us any trouble."
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And they gave him,
according to Bender,
they gave him a medallion.
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And stated,
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"When this medallion disappears,
that will mean that we're gone.
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"And then you can talk about us.
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"You cannot talk about us
until then."
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And according to that reasoning,
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the medallion, uh, disappeared,
I guess, in the early 1960s,
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prompting Bender
to write his book,
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which was published in 1962.
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And, you know, I mean,
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it's not difficult
to understand
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why people would have
a very hard time
to believe that.
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Uh, "where's the evidence?"
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"Oh, well,
the evidence disappeared.
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"No medallion."
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Antarctica, like,
especially in 1950s in...
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You know,
there would be no reason
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anyone would possibly think
that there was work going on
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in Antarctica, the most remote,
desolate part of the planet.
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Uh, pretty fantastic.
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Nowadays, uh,
there's all kinds of talks
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and rumors about Antarctica
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in the UFO field.
It never stops.
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Fully illuminated, round object
was hovering silently
over the missile silo
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and shining a light
down onto it.
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And then from this dead stop,
it shoots off to the east,
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uh, just like, now you see it
now you don't.
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This planet is being visited
by beings from another world.
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In 1964,
Dr. Robert Jacobs was in charge
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of the optical instrumentation
of ballistic missile testing.
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There, he recorded
footage of an ICBM
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and was surprised
to find the extraordinary.
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Here he recalls the events
in detail.
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And flying downrange,
we've got all three stages
of powered flight,
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and as the, uh, dummy warhead
and the package
flew on downrange,
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we were all celebrating
the fact that we had,
uh, seen a thing
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and accomplished
the mission.
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So, another interesting story
concerned a man named
Dr. Robert Jacobs,
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who was a highly qualified,
uh, scientific professional
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who in 1964,
he was very much involved
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in film recording
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of missile launches,
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uh, out of White Sands
Proving Ground
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in New Mexico,
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where, uh, ballistic missiles
were being tested.
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And what they would do is
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they would launch
these missiles
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and then record them.
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...and flying downrange,
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we got all three stages
of powered flight
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and as the dummy warhead
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and the package
flew on downrange,
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we were all celebrating
the fact that
we had seen a thing
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and accomplished the mission.
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When I got back to the base
with the film the next day,
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I was called into the office
of Major Florence J. Mansmann,
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and there were
three people in gray suits
standing in there.
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There was a 16 millimeter
camera and a screen set up.
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Major Mansmann said,
"Lieutenant, sit down
and watch this."
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And he suddenly said,
"Just watch this."
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And as I watched,
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the warhead, the dummy warhead,
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the shaft that was put out
in front of it as the decoy
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to deflect the Russian
anti-missile
missile tracking radar.
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And during one of these tests,
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the missile just went
completely haywire
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and didn't perform as expected,
it crashed.
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And on review of the film
the next day,
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what Jacobs and his supervisor
who was a major,
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noticed that
there was an object, a UFO.
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Everything was flying along
and suddenly,
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in the same direction
this stuff was flying
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at about 8,000 miles an hour.
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The object came into the frame,
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shot a beam of light
at the warhead,
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flew up to the top,
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shot another beam of light
at the warhead,
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flew around at the direction
it was flying,
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shot another beam of light
at the warhead,
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flew down, shot another beam
of light at the warhead,
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and flew out the same way
it came in.
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Well, I don't see
why didn't you see this
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when you were shooting it?
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Well, it was, uh,
600 to 800 miles away from us.
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Like a saucer
type of an object
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that was clearly interacting
with this missile.
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And it was when
this object appeared,
the missile went...
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And I think it shot some,
like a laser or a beam.
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I think it was
a very well defined
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laser type of a beam that
was directed at this missile.
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And at that moment,
the missile went off course
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and just crashed.
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Well, first of all
Major Mansmann said to me,
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"What was that? Were you guys
screwing around up there?"
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-I said, "No, sir,"
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Then he said, "Then tell me
what that was?"
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I said, "We got a UFO."
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After choosing
to discuss the event,
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Dr. Jacobs reports
disruptions in his daily life.
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People calling at all times
of the day and night
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threatening his life,
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which has escalated
into property damage.
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Intimidation is
one of many techniques
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used to instill fear.
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And he said, "Lieutenant,
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"you are never
to speak of this again.
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"As far as you're concerned,
this didn't happen."
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00:21:16,551 --> 00:21:20,140
Eventually, Major Mansmann
confirmed Dr. Jacobs' claims
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of a UFO interacting
with the ICBM.
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00:21:23,385 --> 00:21:26,008
The major also disclosed
that two agents
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who were not the CIA
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00:21:27,941 --> 00:21:30,254
took the footage
and altered it.
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All film evidence
of the UFO
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00:21:32,567 --> 00:21:35,535
and its interactions
with the missile were missing.
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The Major reported
that one agent said to him,
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"That leaves you off the hook,
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"but not off disclosure,
understood?"
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Somehow the Major
had said to Jacobs
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that these men told him,
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they'd erased the flying saucer
from this film.
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And they said,
"You're off the hook, but
you're not off of disclosure."
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In other words,
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you're not in trouble now
because we've cleaned
the film up,
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but don't you talk about it.
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That's 1964 and, uh, Jacobs,
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then you fast-forward
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to the disclosure project
with Dr. Steven Greer.
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We're talking late 1990s now,
when Jacobs
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did an interview with Greer
and talked about this event.
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And that was published
in Greer's book,
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I think the following year,
in 2000.
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And what Jacobs said
in the aftermath of that
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was that he was subject
to a range of harassment
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type of activities.
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Some of these things
would include, uh,
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threatening phone calls
at all times of the day
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and, uh, even to vandalism
against his property,
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property damage
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and, uh, acts of intimidation
of this sort.
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Which, yeah, that's going
to intimidate people.
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So, the whole point of,
of this type of activity
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00:22:48,436 --> 00:22:52,232
obviously, would be
to frighten you, the witness,
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00:22:52,819 --> 00:22:54,200
enough to realize,
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00:22:54,234 --> 00:22:55,443
"You'd better not
talk about this
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00:22:55,477 --> 00:22:57,306
"because you're dealing
with people
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00:22:57,341 --> 00:22:59,308
"who will do damage to you."
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And if they can
wiretap your phone,
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00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,418
or if they can threaten you
at any time of the day,
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00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,041
um, who knows what
they're capable of doing?
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00:23:21,745 --> 00:23:27,578
Now, there have been some visits
by these types of individuals
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00:23:27,613 --> 00:23:31,375
in which the witness
doesn't believe that
they're fully human.
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00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:36,449
There's an odd component
to some of these encounters,
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00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:40,902
and in fact,
when you really go through
some of those descriptions,
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00:23:40,936 --> 00:23:43,801
it's easy to see why people
would conclude that.
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Uh, some of those individuals
are described
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00:23:46,977 --> 00:23:49,669
physically as having
very pasty skin
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or very unusual
physical features
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00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,226
like, very thin,
clothes don't fit them properly.
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Uh, odd behavioral
characteristics.
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00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,472
In some cases,
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the witness will say that
they almost seem to lose power,
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00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,167
uh, or energy in the middle
of the interview
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00:24:05,202 --> 00:24:06,514
and then they just leave
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00:24:06,548 --> 00:24:09,689
as if they're like robots
running out of battery power,
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00:24:09,724 --> 00:24:11,001
you know, something like that.
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00:24:11,035 --> 00:24:14,763
So you get these two
disparate types
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00:24:14,798 --> 00:24:17,145
of Men In Black stories,
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00:24:17,179 --> 00:24:19,250
and that's always
been the tension
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00:24:19,285 --> 00:24:21,667
that you get with
the Men In Black phenomenon.
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00:24:22,495 --> 00:24:25,118
Are we dealing with, you know,
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00:24:25,153 --> 00:24:26,879
people working through the CIA
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00:24:26,913 --> 00:24:29,468
or Air Force Office
of Special Investigation
or something like that?
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00:24:30,399 --> 00:24:32,781
Uh, or are you dealing with,
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00:24:32,816 --> 00:24:34,231
I mean, really,
the implication is,
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are you dealing with non-humans
posing as human beings
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00:24:37,372 --> 00:24:38,856
for their own purposes?
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00:24:38,891 --> 00:24:40,375
And that's always
been the tension.
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00:24:40,409 --> 00:24:42,446
As witnesses
continue to come forward
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00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:43,999
with their experiences,
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00:24:44,034 --> 00:24:45,829
it is believed that
the Men In Black
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00:24:45,863 --> 00:24:49,936
shifted their approach
to publicly debunking
those claims through proxy.
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00:24:49,971 --> 00:24:51,835
Credible reports of abductions
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00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:54,044
circulated throughout
the UFO community
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00:24:54,078 --> 00:24:57,530
and was met with heavy
skepticism by debunkers.
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00:24:57,565 --> 00:25:00,637
He got his start as a debunker
in the mid-1960s
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00:25:00,671 --> 00:25:03,398
with the idea of ball lightning
to explain away
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00:25:03,432 --> 00:25:06,228
one particular interesting
UFO event.
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00:25:06,263 --> 00:25:08,714
Uh, through the '60s
made it his personal vendetta
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00:25:08,748 --> 00:25:10,474
to destroy the career
of James McDonald,
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00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:11,544
the atmospheric physicist,
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00:25:11,579 --> 00:25:14,478
who was a very, very strong
UFO proponent.
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00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:17,723
And then, by the 1970s
Klass really was hitting
the big time
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00:25:17,757 --> 00:25:19,345
in terms of media attention
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00:25:19,379 --> 00:25:22,624
and in terms of his prominence
as a UFO skeptic.
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00:25:22,659 --> 00:25:23,936
Certainly, by the 1970s,
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00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:26,766
Philip Klass had become
the number one
492
00:25:26,801 --> 00:25:29,493
active UFO skeptic by far.
493
00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,426
Credible reports of abductions
494
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,497
circulated throughout
the UFO community
495
00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:36,811
and was met with heavy
skepticism by debunkers.
496
00:25:36,845 --> 00:25:39,330
Are you a debunker
of all UFO stories?
497
00:25:39,365 --> 00:25:43,369
-Is that your purpose?
-Well, I look for explanations.
498
00:25:43,403 --> 00:25:45,992
Now, you know, you can look at
499
00:25:46,027 --> 00:25:48,132
probably the most
prominent skeptic
500
00:25:48,167 --> 00:25:50,203
of UFOs during the 19...
501
00:25:50,238 --> 00:25:52,033
Starting from the mid-'60s,
502
00:25:52,067 --> 00:25:54,656
right through the rest
of the 20th century,
503
00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:56,762
was a man named
Philip J. Klass.
504
00:25:56,796 --> 00:25:58,936
Yeah. Now Klass
505
00:25:59,765 --> 00:26:02,388
wasn't a true Man In Black,
506
00:26:02,422 --> 00:26:05,218
uh, the way that previous
Men In Black were described,
507
00:26:05,253 --> 00:26:07,566
you know, coming in your house
and threatening you.
508
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,498
Klass worked in a different way.
509
00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:13,606
Uh, he engaged in countless
smear campaigns
through the media
510
00:26:13,641 --> 00:26:17,576
to discredit individuals
associated with UFOs,
most famously
511
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,233
the atmospheric physicist
James McDonald,
512
00:26:20,268 --> 00:26:22,960
who is really a hero
in the UFO field,
513
00:26:22,995 --> 00:26:24,513
and rightly so.
514
00:26:24,548 --> 00:26:27,896
Klass went after McDonald's
like a... Like a war.
515
00:26:27,931 --> 00:26:29,691
A personal vendetta.
516
00:26:29,726 --> 00:26:33,039
Klass was someone who was
so well positioned
517
00:26:33,074 --> 00:26:34,765
through his contacts
in Washington, D.C.
518
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,835
where he lived and worked.
519
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:39,563
He was a senior editor
for a very prominent
520
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,634
aerospace aviation magazine,
521
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:43,878
and he was very well connected.
522
00:26:45,086 --> 00:26:48,020
Uh, Klass always seemed to have
523
00:26:48,054 --> 00:26:51,023
information on people.
524
00:26:51,057 --> 00:26:54,405
He had this way,
and this went throughout
his entire career.
525
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960
But there is no more exciting
story that I could write
526
00:26:56,994 --> 00:26:58,651
or Aviation Week could publish
527
00:26:58,686 --> 00:27:00,066
than to say, "At last
528
00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:03,829
"we've come across
one UFO report
529
00:27:03,863 --> 00:27:06,383
"that cannot be explained
in prosaic terms.
530
00:27:06,417 --> 00:27:08,765
"Maybe this is
an alien spaceship."
531
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:10,836
Biggest story of all time.
532
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:13,666
Yet in more than
22 years as a hobby
533
00:27:13,701 --> 00:27:18,326
of investigating famous
mysterious UFO cases, reports,
534
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,295
I have never found one
that cannot be explained
535
00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:23,883
in prosaic earthly terms.
536
00:27:23,918 --> 00:27:26,161
He once tried to bribe
537
00:27:26,196 --> 00:27:29,233
one of Travis Walton's,
uh, coworkers.
538
00:27:29,268 --> 00:27:34,238
You know, Travis Walton
had the very famous
UFO encounter in 1975
539
00:27:34,273 --> 00:27:36,724
where he was missing
for five days.
540
00:27:36,758 --> 00:27:39,554
Klass actually tried to bribe
541
00:27:39,588 --> 00:27:42,868
uh, one of Walton's cohorts
542
00:27:42,902 --> 00:27:44,386
to deny the whole thing
ever happened.
543
00:27:44,421 --> 00:27:45,698
He offered him $10,000.
544
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:48,874
This is how Klass
worked constantly.
545
00:27:48,908 --> 00:27:50,358
You know,
it's like Philip Klass
546
00:27:50,392 --> 00:27:52,222
offered me $10,000.
547
00:27:52,256 --> 00:27:55,328
That was a lot of money
back in the '70s.
548
00:27:55,363 --> 00:27:58,504
And there's always been
very, very strong suspicion.
549
00:27:58,538 --> 00:28:00,368
No proof that I'm aware of,
550
00:28:00,402 --> 00:28:02,128
but very strong
circumstantial evidence
551
00:28:02,163 --> 00:28:03,543
that Klass
was some kind of asset
552
00:28:03,578 --> 00:28:05,580
to the US intelligence community
553
00:28:05,614 --> 00:28:08,134
doing work for them
to discredit him
on the subject.
554
00:28:08,169 --> 00:28:10,999
He definitely was promoted
by Edward Condon
555
00:28:11,034 --> 00:28:15,486
of the famous Condon Committee
from the late 1960s
556
00:28:15,521 --> 00:28:21,113
that, um, infamously try
to debunk UFOs scientifically.
557
00:28:21,147 --> 00:28:24,772
Our latest book,
Stanton Friedman and I
558
00:28:24,806 --> 00:28:28,189
have written Fact, Fiction,
and Flying Saucers.
559
00:28:28,223 --> 00:28:31,433
It's based upon years
of archival research.
560
00:28:31,468 --> 00:28:33,056
He went to Harvard,
561
00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,990
read Donald Menzel's
archival files.
562
00:28:36,024 --> 00:28:38,820
I went to the
American Philosophical Society.
563
00:28:38,855 --> 00:28:41,029
I made several trips there,
564
00:28:41,064 --> 00:28:44,723
and what I found
in the correspondence files
565
00:28:44,757 --> 00:28:48,485
was a plan to debunk
those individuals
566
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,660
who had very compelling cases
567
00:28:51,695 --> 00:28:58,115
and also to attempt to reduce
the credibility of scientists
568
00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:02,223
who had an interest
in investigating UFOs
569
00:29:02,257 --> 00:29:04,915
and who were speaking publicly
about that.
570
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:09,886
I have a letter that
Dr. Edward Condon
wrote to McGraw Hill.
571
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,612
And in that letter,
Edward Condon stated,
572
00:29:12,647 --> 00:29:16,099
"If you need anyone
in the media
573
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:19,309
"to make public statements
about UFOs,
574
00:29:19,343 --> 00:29:23,382
"I would advise you
to use Philip Klass."
575
00:29:23,416 --> 00:29:29,457
Condon certainly worked hard
to try to promote Philip Klass
576
00:29:29,491 --> 00:29:33,392
as much as possible,
as someone who would be
relied upon
577
00:29:33,426 --> 00:29:36,015
to give the proper perspective
on UFOs.
578
00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:38,880
That is the skeptical,
debunking attitude on UFOs,
579
00:29:38,915 --> 00:29:40,088
uh, through the media.
580
00:29:40,123 --> 00:29:42,297
Klass is someone who was
able to get New York Times,
581
00:29:42,332 --> 00:29:44,817
op-ed pieces and articles
like no problem.
582
00:29:44,852 --> 00:29:47,578
He was on CNN all the time,
Larry King.
583
00:29:47,613 --> 00:29:51,790
He was always able
to get access to major media
584
00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:53,999
in a way that normal
UFO researchers
585
00:29:54,033 --> 00:29:56,415
would have just,
you know, given up an arm
586
00:29:56,449 --> 00:29:57,692
to be able to have,
587
00:29:57,726 --> 00:29:59,798
but Klass just had
this magical ability
588
00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:01,869
to connect with all major media.
589
00:30:01,903 --> 00:30:04,043
And you could certainly say
590
00:30:04,078 --> 00:30:09,083
that Klass is a new version
of the Man In Black,
591
00:30:09,117 --> 00:30:11,533
not in any way
like the mysterious,
592
00:30:11,568 --> 00:30:14,019
intimidating figures
coming to your house.
593
00:30:14,053 --> 00:30:16,573
He would just smear you
and try to destroy your career.
594
00:30:16,607 --> 00:30:20,680
What was was recovered
was a radar target.
595
00:30:20,715 --> 00:30:21,716
-Balloon-borne.
-No, no, no, no.
596
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:23,752
That is, that is the cover story
that was put out.
597
00:30:23,787 --> 00:30:26,514
We know it was a cover story
based on the testimony
of the people
598
00:30:26,548 --> 00:30:27,791
who put out the cover story.
599
00:30:30,276 --> 00:30:31,553
Whatever happened at Westall,
600
00:30:31,588 --> 00:30:34,349
whatever the objects were,
they were being tracked.
601
00:30:34,384 --> 00:30:36,593
They'd being tracked from
where they were coming from.
602
00:30:36,627 --> 00:30:38,975
They'd been tracked over
previous days,
603
00:30:39,009 --> 00:30:43,255
and there was some sense
of there being, um,
604
00:30:43,289 --> 00:30:45,705
a surveillance going on
of these objects.
605
00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:50,227
And that's why the response
could be as fast as it was
606
00:30:50,262 --> 00:30:53,334
to the... To Westall.
607
00:30:53,368 --> 00:30:57,510
That's why the military
could get there as quickly
as they did that day,
608
00:30:57,545 --> 00:31:01,100
because there were some,
if you like, forewarning
609
00:31:01,135 --> 00:31:03,931
that perhaps these objects
had been seen elsewhere
in Australia
610
00:31:03,965 --> 00:31:05,933
in the preceding days.
611
00:31:05,967 --> 00:31:10,454
Certainly we have the famous
photograph of a UFO
612
00:31:10,489 --> 00:31:13,526
taken in a suburb of Balwyn
613
00:31:13,561 --> 00:31:16,426
about 20 kilometers
from Westall
614
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:19,981
just four days before
the Westall incident.
615
00:31:20,016 --> 00:31:24,952
And that photograph was leaked
to a Melbourne newspaper,
616
00:31:24,986 --> 00:31:26,954
The Herald, and published
617
00:31:26,988 --> 00:31:29,646
and caused a huge furor
at the time,
618
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,546
so much so that the person
who took the photograph itself,
619
00:31:33,581 --> 00:31:35,583
even though he didn't want it
published in the newspaper,
620
00:31:35,617 --> 00:31:37,205
he gave it to a friend
who leaked it.
621
00:31:38,103 --> 00:31:40,243
He never wanted it
made public,
622
00:31:40,277 --> 00:31:41,623
but it was
623
00:31:41,658 --> 00:31:44,074
and it then resulted in
624
00:31:44,109 --> 00:31:47,388
the Air Force visiting him
at his home.
625
00:31:47,422 --> 00:31:49,942
An interview was held with him.
626
00:31:49,977 --> 00:31:53,290
And he claims to this day
that he thinks the Air Force
627
00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:57,777
was so concerned
about that photograph
going into the newspaper
628
00:31:57,812 --> 00:32:00,677
was because it showed the object
629
00:32:00,711 --> 00:32:03,680
that was seen at Westall
four days later,
630
00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:07,063
or there was some connection
with whatever that object was
631
00:32:07,097 --> 00:32:09,651
that he caught in his
polaroid photograph
632
00:32:09,686 --> 00:32:11,791
and with what happened
at Westall.
633
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:14,967
So that's an ongoing mystery.
634
00:32:15,002 --> 00:32:17,521
How could it be that an object,
635
00:32:17,556 --> 00:32:19,213
an object of unknown origin,
636
00:32:19,247 --> 00:32:21,111
an object that flew in ways
637
00:32:21,146 --> 00:32:25,046
that were completely
inexplicable to anybody
who witnessed it,
638
00:32:25,081 --> 00:32:27,600
how there could be
such a rapid response
639
00:32:27,635 --> 00:32:31,259
by the military,
whether it was the Army
or the Air Force.
640
00:32:31,294 --> 00:32:34,504
There's another very
interesting case in Australia
641
00:32:34,538 --> 00:32:35,919
outside of the city
of Melbourne,
642
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,163
in the south part
of Australian
in a town called Westall.
643
00:32:38,991 --> 00:32:40,717
And this is 1966.
644
00:32:40,751 --> 00:32:43,168
This is a really incredible
UFO incident.
645
00:32:43,202 --> 00:32:48,035
I had the privilege
of visiting Westall myself
some years ago
646
00:32:48,069 --> 00:32:51,555
and going to the school yard
where all of this happened
647
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:56,146
and the story was,
you have, uh,
648
00:32:56,181 --> 00:32:58,459
all the kids run out
of the school
649
00:32:58,493 --> 00:33:05,293
because someone saw this UFO
coming over the property there.
650
00:33:05,328 --> 00:33:08,538
So you got 200 kids
of all ages and teachers.
651
00:33:08,572 --> 00:33:12,714
There were adults and youths
that were watching this.
652
00:33:12,749 --> 00:33:16,373
The object,
by all of the witness accounts,
653
00:33:16,408 --> 00:33:19,859
either landed or almost landed
654
00:33:19,894 --> 00:33:22,897
on the property,
like, very, very low.
655
00:33:23,518 --> 00:33:26,659
In fact, one girl,
656
00:33:26,694 --> 00:33:31,423
she was like in junior
high school age, think she was
like 12 or 13.
657
00:33:31,457 --> 00:33:34,874
She got the closest to it,
and according to the witnesses,
658
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:36,773
like she was not
ever seen again.
659
00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:39,120
She moved far away after this.
660
00:33:39,948 --> 00:33:41,398
That's an odd thing.
661
00:33:41,433 --> 00:33:44,367
But what we know for certain,
662
00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:46,645
there was a science teacher
named Daniel
663
00:33:47,922 --> 00:33:52,168
who stated that these, look
like Australian Air Force,
664
00:33:52,202 --> 00:33:54,066
came to his house,
665
00:33:54,101 --> 00:33:56,068
and they're two of them,
666
00:33:56,103 --> 00:34:00,141
and they absolutely
threatened his career
667
00:34:00,176 --> 00:34:02,488
and possibly his freedom
668
00:34:02,523 --> 00:34:05,629
if he was to continue
talking about this event.
669
00:34:05,664 --> 00:34:08,529
They made it clear
in no uncertain terms.
670
00:34:08,563 --> 00:34:10,082
"You're not going to talk
about this
671
00:34:10,117 --> 00:34:11,842
"or you'll have some
serious repercussions."
672
00:34:11,877 --> 00:34:14,638
I remember,
the military arrived,
673
00:34:14,673 --> 00:34:16,537
the emergency services arrived.
674
00:34:16,571 --> 00:34:19,816
There was a response by police,
the fire brigade
675
00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:22,888
by the Civil Defence
Organization.
676
00:34:22,922 --> 00:34:25,649
There was a response
by the Commonwealth Police.
677
00:34:25,684 --> 00:34:30,413
There is a report from a witness
who was a news stringer
at the time
678
00:34:30,447 --> 00:34:34,313
that a cordon was thrown up
around the streets of Westall,
679
00:34:34,348 --> 00:34:39,215
by, uh, police officers
in uniforms
680
00:34:39,249 --> 00:34:41,251
that were a little
unknown to him
681
00:34:41,286 --> 00:34:43,840
using vehicles that were
a little unknown to him,
682
00:34:43,874 --> 00:34:47,809
but they looked like
police officers
and police vehicles.
683
00:34:47,844 --> 00:34:50,812
And when he returned
to the TV station later
that day,
684
00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:54,437
he was informed that, yes,
they were Commonwealth
police officers,
685
00:34:54,471 --> 00:34:56,577
not Victorian state
police officers,
686
00:34:56,611 --> 00:34:59,097
the Commonwealth
police officers.
687
00:34:59,131 --> 00:35:02,790
So it looked like there was some
involvement at that level
as well.
688
00:35:19,738 --> 00:35:22,879
Japan Airlines Flight 1628
689
00:35:22,913 --> 00:35:26,124
en route to Tokyo from Paris
when the crew noticed
690
00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:29,886
two UFOs with flowing lights,
which flew next to the plane
691
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,682
in patterns and speeds
which were unachievable
692
00:35:32,716 --> 00:35:34,822
with modern aviation.
693
00:35:34,856 --> 00:35:39,309
Controller had asked
the military man,
"Do you see anything?"
694
00:35:39,344 --> 00:35:41,656
The military guy says,
"Yes, I have a target
695
00:35:41,691 --> 00:35:44,176
"at such and such."
One o'clock and eight miles
696
00:35:44,211 --> 00:35:47,490
from the Japanese pilot, 747.
697
00:35:47,524 --> 00:35:51,010
The military man
said something like, uh,
698
00:35:51,045 --> 00:35:56,257
"Yeah, I see him 35 miles
north of, uh, Anchorage,
699
00:35:56,292 --> 00:36:01,469
"and who's that at eleven
or one o'clock
in his position?"
700
00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:05,404
The FAA controller said, uh,
"I don't have anybody.
You have anybody?"
701
00:36:05,439 --> 00:36:09,788
He said, "It's not mine."
And he came back and said,
"We have no traffic here."
702
00:36:09,822 --> 00:36:12,411
And a couple of times
during the operation,
703
00:36:12,446 --> 00:36:14,172
the Japanese pilot would say
704
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:16,553
"He's now at eleven o'clock,
he's now at one o'clock,
he's now at three o'clock,
705
00:36:16,588 --> 00:36:19,038
"and he's bouncing around
just right here," and...
706
00:36:19,073 --> 00:36:21,662
Well, he would say that
the military guy
would cut in and say,
707
00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:25,424
"He's now at two o'clock,
three o'clock," and he would
confirm the position.
708
00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:29,877
The military controller
has what they call
height finding radar
709
00:36:29,911 --> 00:36:32,535
and they have long-range radar
and short-range radar.
710
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:36,539
So, if they don't catch it
on one of their systems,
they catch it on the other.
711
00:36:36,573 --> 00:36:39,197
And if you listen
to the military man
712
00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:44,512
at one time, he said,
I have it on the height radar
or my range radar,
713
00:36:44,547 --> 00:36:45,720
whatever he called it,
714
00:36:45,755 --> 00:36:48,965
which indicated that he had
a target on his system.
715
00:36:49,966 --> 00:36:52,175
Ours wouldn't record it.
716
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:56,662
While they...
They ran through for
the best part of 31 minutes,
717
00:36:56,697 --> 00:36:58,906
the UFO would be
in one position
718
00:36:58,940 --> 00:37:02,875
and the other following
Japanese 747.
719
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:06,085
After a while, uh,
they changed his altitude.
720
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,329
It still stayed with him.
They gave him a 360.
721
00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:10,676
When you're a 747
and you make a 360,
722
00:37:10,711 --> 00:37:12,575
it takes you a few minutes
to turn around.
723
00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:14,335
You cover a lot of space.
724
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:17,165
It still stayed with him.
It was either in the front,
or the side or behind him.
725
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,789
"...210, I approve 1628
to make deviations
726
00:37:19,823 --> 00:37:23,482
"as necessary for traffic.
The traffic stayed with 1628
727
00:37:23,517 --> 00:37:27,348
"through turns and descents
in the vicinity of Fairbanks."
728
00:37:27,383 --> 00:37:29,039
It's another very interesting...
729
00:37:29,074 --> 00:37:32,180
We can call this a Men In Black
incident in a way.
730
00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:35,460
And by the way,
relating to that encounter,
731
00:37:35,494 --> 00:37:36,944
good old Philip J. Klass,
732
00:37:36,978 --> 00:37:41,397
was able to work his way
with his organization,
which is called CSICOP,
733
00:37:41,431 --> 00:37:44,296
the Committee...
Scientific Committee
to Investigate Claims
734
00:37:44,331 --> 00:37:45,642
of the Paranormal.
735
00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:48,335
They have a different name now.
736
00:37:48,369 --> 00:37:51,441
And they were able
to get a piece
in The New York Times.
737
00:37:51,476 --> 00:37:53,961
You know, during all of that,
to debunk the whole thing
and say,
738
00:37:53,995 --> 00:37:55,825
"Well, it's just
the planet Jupiter.
739
00:37:55,859 --> 00:37:58,828
"You guys don't know
what you're seeing.
You made a big mistake."
740
00:37:58,862 --> 00:38:02,349
But in 1986, we have
an interesting occurrence.
741
00:38:02,383 --> 00:38:04,592
On November 17th of that year,
there was a flight called
742
00:38:04,627 --> 00:38:07,802
JAL, Japan Airlines,
Flight 1628
743
00:38:07,837 --> 00:38:11,461
from Tokyo, and they were
going over the...
744
00:38:11,496 --> 00:38:14,637
Over like in the Arctic Circle
area, actually, flying down
745
00:38:14,671 --> 00:38:16,397
over the state of Alaska,
746
00:38:16,432 --> 00:38:20,090
when this entire 29-minute
recorded incident occurred
747
00:38:21,022 --> 00:38:26,234
in which this airliner
was accosted
748
00:38:26,269 --> 00:38:31,723
by an enormous,
absolutely enormous object.
749
00:38:31,757 --> 00:38:34,933
That, uh, there's drawings
of it by the pilot,
750
00:38:34,967 --> 00:38:38,074
whose name was,
uh, Kenju Terauchi.
751
00:38:38,108 --> 00:38:42,665
And uh, it's almost
like this massive,
like the planet Saturn
752
00:38:42,699 --> 00:38:45,944
it's like this big, big,
roundish object.
753
00:38:45,978 --> 00:38:49,085
They're watching and they're
scared out of their mind,
754
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,570
and they've got it
on their airborne radar.
755
00:38:51,605 --> 00:38:55,125
It's... Ground radar
also is tracking this thing.
756
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,060
And, uh, as I recall,
at least one other airliner
in the area,
757
00:38:59,095 --> 00:39:01,062
saw this thing visually.
758
00:39:01,097 --> 00:39:04,065
There is lots
of data points here.
759
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,276
What's interesting
about this case is that
they're flying side by side,
760
00:39:08,311 --> 00:39:11,314
this gigantic object,
and it releases
a smaller object.
761
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:12,867
Or at least I think
it must release it
762
00:39:12,902 --> 00:39:16,457
because the smaller object
gets in front of their cockpit.
763
00:39:16,492 --> 00:39:18,977
And in fact, it's...
It's two of them...
764
00:39:19,978 --> 00:39:21,945
where this...
765
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:25,501
The cockpit is bathed in this
green light for a while.
766
00:39:25,535 --> 00:39:28,331
But as they're flying,
these objects are pacing them.
767
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:29,919
Like they're in front
of the cockpit.
768
00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:32,404
With maneuverability that's...
769
00:39:32,439 --> 00:39:35,856
Like, there's no way
to explain how these objects
770
00:39:35,890 --> 00:39:38,755
could do the things
that they're doing.
771
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:41,758
Uh, they eventually depart.
You can imagine the fear.
772
00:39:41,793 --> 00:39:44,589
So, Terauchi
is getting permission
773
00:39:44,623 --> 00:39:47,212
to try to move
his aircraft differently
774
00:39:47,246 --> 00:39:49,317
just to get away
from this thing.
775
00:39:49,352 --> 00:39:53,321
And the entire experience
lasted for 29 minutes.
776
00:39:53,356 --> 00:39:55,151
In terms
of the actual observation.
777
00:39:55,634 --> 00:39:57,395
The next day,
778
00:39:57,429 --> 00:40:01,571
I get a call from someone
with the scientific study group
779
00:40:01,606 --> 00:40:04,367
or the CIA, I'm not sure
who was it the first time.
780
00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,196
And they want to know, uh...
781
00:40:06,231 --> 00:40:08,751
They had some questions
about the incident,
782
00:40:09,959 --> 00:40:11,926
and I had said, "I don't know
what you're talking about.
783
00:40:11,961 --> 00:40:14,204
"You'd probably want to
call the Admiral."
784
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,448
Few minutes later,
the Admiral calls down
and says,
785
00:40:16,483 --> 00:40:18,036
"I set up a...
786
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,797
"A briefing tomorrow morning
at nine or ten o'clock,"
whatever it was.
787
00:40:20,832 --> 00:40:22,212
"In the round room,
788
00:40:22,247 --> 00:40:25,526
"bring all the stuff you have,
bring everybody up there
789
00:40:25,561 --> 00:40:28,011
"and give them
whatever they want."
790
00:40:28,046 --> 00:40:30,358
So that's interesting enough.
In the aftermath of that,
791
00:40:30,393 --> 00:40:33,534
there was an FAA, Federal
Aviation Administration meeting,
792
00:40:33,569 --> 00:40:36,537
where they are discussing this,
they've got all the radar data.
793
00:40:36,572 --> 00:40:38,539
In this meeting,
794
00:40:38,574 --> 00:40:40,541
this is now according
to one of the men who attended,
795
00:40:40,576 --> 00:40:43,233
his name is John Callahan.
He was an FAA,
796
00:40:43,268 --> 00:40:46,444
a senior official with the
Federal Aviation Administration.
797
00:40:47,514 --> 00:40:49,447
And so what happened,
according to Callahan's
798
00:40:49,481 --> 00:40:52,139
very vivid, explicit testimony,
799
00:40:53,658 --> 00:40:56,315
was that at one point,
these two men
800
00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,628
in dark suits enter the room.
801
00:40:58,663 --> 00:41:00,665
No one knows
where they're from.
802
00:41:00,699 --> 00:41:02,908
Is it assumed that
they're from CIA?
803
00:41:02,943 --> 00:41:06,671
I don't think that's ever made
clear where these guys are from,
804
00:41:06,705 --> 00:41:09,674
but there they come in
and they confiscate
805
00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:12,297
all of the data.
806
00:41:13,056 --> 00:41:15,162
They are warning everyone,
807
00:41:15,196 --> 00:41:19,442
"You are never, ever, ever going
to talk about this ever again.
808
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:20,995
"We're taking
all of your evidence."
809
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:22,859
Callahan kept his copy.
810
00:41:22,894 --> 00:41:24,723
That was the thing.
He didn't give it up.
811
00:41:24,758 --> 00:41:26,829
He didn't let them know,
they didn't ask.
812
00:41:26,863 --> 00:41:29,728
I don't think they asked him
directly for it.
813
00:41:29,763 --> 00:41:31,627
And he just kind of
slid below the radar,
814
00:41:31,661 --> 00:41:33,387
as it were in this meeting,
815
00:41:33,421 --> 00:41:36,804
and left with it with his
copy of the radar data.
816
00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:41,671
And it was, uh,
13 years later, I think,
817
00:41:41,706 --> 00:41:43,086
from... In the late '90s,
818
00:41:43,121 --> 00:41:45,399
where he is interviewed
by Steven Greer
819
00:41:45,433 --> 00:41:47,712
of the disclosure project
at that time
820
00:41:47,746 --> 00:41:49,507
and told his story.
821
00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:51,647
Uh, and so,
what you've got here
822
00:41:51,681 --> 00:41:53,372
is another incident of...
823
00:41:53,407 --> 00:41:55,029
Very clear this is...
824
00:41:55,064 --> 00:41:57,066
This is not a paranormal
Men In Black experience
825
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,620
by any means. This is...
These are government guys.
826
00:41:59,655 --> 00:42:03,072
These are spooks who are
confiscating the evidence.
827
00:42:03,106 --> 00:42:04,522
Now, who are they?
828
00:42:04,556 --> 00:42:07,525
Are they CIA? Are they NSA?
Are they something else?
829
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:11,874
Are they from the Majestic 12,
or whatever, whatever,
830
00:42:11,908 --> 00:42:15,118
you know,
comparable organization
it would be to Majestic 12.
831
00:42:15,153 --> 00:42:18,846
Maybe it's called Zodiac.
That's a very possible...
That's a big possibility.
832
00:42:19,882 --> 00:42:21,849
But they're from a group
833
00:42:21,884 --> 00:42:25,784
that their job
was to take that UFO data.
834
00:42:25,819 --> 00:42:27,441
And Callahan is really
worth listening to.
835
00:42:27,475 --> 00:42:30,444
He's a very...
He's a very upfront,
836
00:42:30,478 --> 00:42:32,584
extremely candid,
very articulate,
837
00:42:32,619 --> 00:42:34,413
very smart man.
838
00:42:34,448 --> 00:42:36,450
And he's got the credibility
839
00:42:36,484 --> 00:42:39,798
and the background
to back up what he said.
840
00:42:39,833 --> 00:42:41,800
That's the thing that
makes him so compelling.
841
00:42:43,802 --> 00:42:46,667
When they read
the reports that come through,
842
00:42:46,702 --> 00:42:48,635
the FAA has
to protect themselves.
843
00:42:48,669 --> 00:42:51,154
You can't say,
you saw a target,
844
00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:52,604
even though
this is what he said,
845
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,469
so they made him
change his report
846
00:42:55,503 --> 00:42:56,781
to position symbols,
847
00:42:56,815 --> 00:43:00,129
which makes it sound like
it wasn't really a target.
848
00:43:00,163 --> 00:43:03,063
Well, if that's not a target
than a lot of the other
position symbols
849
00:43:03,097 --> 00:43:05,237
that we're separating
from our targets either.
850
00:43:05,272 --> 00:43:07,930
When I read that, I thought
that is something fishy here,
851
00:43:07,964 --> 00:43:10,933
that somebody's worried
about something rather
than trying to cover up.
852
00:43:12,141 --> 00:43:14,626
Who did
the Men In Black work for?
853
00:43:14,661 --> 00:43:20,563
CIA, the FBI, the NSA,
something else entirely?
854
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,911
Even in the military,
the Men In Black are a mystery.
855
00:43:23,946 --> 00:43:26,569
Over the years,
encounters with Men In Black
856
00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:29,261
have decreased
as their legend has grown
857
00:43:29,296 --> 00:43:31,229
even into pop culture.
858
00:43:31,263 --> 00:43:33,265
No longer are you interrogated
859
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:35,336
and threatened
by a government spook
860
00:43:35,371 --> 00:43:40,065
or a nameless agent
from an unknown
cabal of organizations.
861
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:43,897
As proxies continue
debunking and smearing
credible witnesses,
862
00:43:43,931 --> 00:43:46,313
the Men In Black
have evolved their technique
863
00:43:46,347 --> 00:43:49,661
to control the narrative
through misinformation.
864
00:43:49,696 --> 00:43:52,008
Literally, fake news.
865
00:43:52,043 --> 00:43:56,047
Take Richard Doty,
former special agent
of the Air Force,
866
00:43:56,081 --> 00:43:59,222
who was tasked
with infiltrating
the UFO community
867
00:43:59,257 --> 00:44:03,330
to instill doubt
and misinformation
of UFO encounters.
868
00:44:03,364 --> 00:44:07,161
Men In Black have always been
present in the UFO community
869
00:44:07,196 --> 00:44:10,061
since back in the '50s and '60s,
870
00:44:10,095 --> 00:44:12,373
and if the sighting
871
00:44:12,408 --> 00:44:17,758
or a report of a sighting
or acquisition of photographs
872
00:44:17,793 --> 00:44:19,726
were important
to the government,
873
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,213
the UF...
The MIB, Men In Black
would show up
874
00:44:24,247 --> 00:44:28,666
trying to obtain what
information these witnesses had
875
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,255
regarding the sighting
or the acquisition
of photographs.
876
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:34,119
If they took some photographs,
877
00:44:34,154 --> 00:44:38,123
uh, the MIB would show up,
trying to get those photographs.
878
00:44:39,469 --> 00:44:43,957
Ever since the '50s,
people started to see, uh...
879
00:44:43,991 --> 00:44:45,959
Started seeing flying objects,
880
00:44:45,993 --> 00:44:47,995
reporting flying objects.
881
00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:52,482
Um, depending on the accuracy
and the credibility
882
00:44:52,517 --> 00:44:55,693
of the people
that observe these objects.
883
00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:59,455
Uh, and depending on
what the government knew about,
884
00:44:59,489 --> 00:45:01,560
what those sightings were,
885
00:45:01,595 --> 00:45:05,392
uh, it would be dependent on
whether the government went out
886
00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:10,604
and got the information
or tried to quiet the people,
887
00:45:10,638 --> 00:45:12,399
the witnesses that saw it.
888
00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:15,126
Uh, so... But...
But it's happened.
889
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,992
It's real, it's a controversial
subject matter
890
00:45:19,026 --> 00:45:22,512
both within the public
and within the government.
891
00:45:22,547 --> 00:45:25,067
But, um, my knowledge is
I've worked...
892
00:45:25,101 --> 00:45:28,311
I've actually been involved
in the Men In Black,
893
00:45:28,346 --> 00:45:30,141
and we didn't call it
Men In Black,
894
00:45:30,175 --> 00:45:33,316
but there were people
within a certain agency
895
00:45:33,351 --> 00:45:34,732
within the government.
896
00:45:34,766 --> 00:45:38,701
Um, the Air Force
Special Activities Center.
897
00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:41,808
Uh, they're the ones that
control these Men In Black.
898
00:45:41,842 --> 00:45:47,054
It was a unit stationed
at Fort Belvoir, uh, Virginia,
899
00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:52,439
that dealt with uh,
obtaining information
from witnesses.
900
00:45:52,991 --> 00:45:55,545
Uh, but I've...
901
00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:57,858
The controversy, of course,
centers around
902
00:45:57,893 --> 00:45:59,895
how these Men In Black,
903
00:45:59,929 --> 00:46:02,725
number one, who they were?
Number two,
904
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,935
how they obtained
the information from witnesses?
905
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:09,421
And number three,
what they...
Where that information went
906
00:46:09,456 --> 00:46:12,770
after they... After the Men
In Black got the information?
907
00:46:12,804 --> 00:46:16,497
Now, these... These Men
In Black, as you call them,
908
00:46:16,532 --> 00:46:19,673
uh, that are prominent
within the UFO community
909
00:46:19,707 --> 00:46:21,779
are... They have a mission.
910
00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:23,988
They're assigned
to an intelligence unit.
911
00:46:24,022 --> 00:46:27,232
Uh, they're given a mission
to go out and interview
these witnesses
912
00:46:27,267 --> 00:46:30,373
that saw this,
or that already reported
913
00:46:30,408 --> 00:46:35,033
a sighting or collection
of data, pictures, so forth.
914
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:36,828
Evidence.
915
00:46:36,863 --> 00:46:39,072
And so they're out there
on a mission.
916
00:46:39,106 --> 00:46:42,454
Now, how they operate that
from that point on
917
00:46:42,489 --> 00:46:44,802
uh, is really up to them.
918
00:46:44,836 --> 00:46:48,150
How are they gonna get that
information? If you're the...
919
00:46:48,184 --> 00:46:52,533
If you're the witness
and uh, we've tried
920
00:46:54,121 --> 00:46:57,055
officially, where
two Air Force officers
921
00:46:57,090 --> 00:46:58,574
come to you in uniform,
922
00:46:58,608 --> 00:47:01,404
not the Men In Black,
but in uniform,
923
00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:02,854
come to you and say,
924
00:47:02,889 --> 00:47:05,339
"Hi, we're from the
United States Air Force.
925
00:47:05,374 --> 00:47:08,687
"And I understand you have
pictures of something
926
00:47:08,722 --> 00:47:11,311
"that you saw last week
927
00:47:11,345 --> 00:47:14,555
"and we would like to see them
because we think that...
928
00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:16,557
"Those pictures
929
00:47:16,592 --> 00:47:19,353
"could be
of a classified project.
930
00:47:19,388 --> 00:47:22,253
"So we would...
We would like you
931
00:47:22,287 --> 00:47:24,531
"to show them to us."
932
00:47:24,565 --> 00:47:27,085
Well, if you say, "They're
my pictures, I took them.
933
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,500
"I don't have anything.
You're military.
934
00:47:28,535 --> 00:47:31,331
"You have no jurisdiction
over me.
935
00:47:31,365 --> 00:47:34,506
"No, bye." And so,
the Air Force officers leave.
936
00:47:34,541 --> 00:47:37,130
The next day or two days
or three days later,
937
00:47:37,164 --> 00:47:38,925
you're visited by two other men.
938
00:47:38,959 --> 00:47:40,788
"I'm U.S.
Government" credentials.
939
00:47:40,823 --> 00:47:41,962
"And I...
940
00:47:41,997 --> 00:47:45,379
"And you took pictures
of a classified aircraft
941
00:47:45,414 --> 00:47:47,312
"yesterday or whenever,
942
00:47:47,347 --> 00:47:49,970
"and we need
to look at those pictures.
943
00:47:50,005 --> 00:47:51,696
"And you only have one way
of doing this.
944
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:53,284
"You have to
turn them over to us
945
00:47:53,318 --> 00:47:55,527
"or we're gonna go
to the court of law."
946
00:47:55,562 --> 00:47:57,046
or some other threat.
947
00:47:58,185 --> 00:48:03,708
So, those are the type
of operations that I've seen.
948
00:48:03,742 --> 00:48:05,779
Uh, been involved with.
949
00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:10,163
Um, whether
they eventually turn it over.
950
00:48:10,197 --> 00:48:12,268
If they don't,
there's other means
951
00:48:12,303 --> 00:48:14,029
that they can... They can use.
952
00:48:14,063 --> 00:48:17,204
But there's other ways.
A surreptitious entry
into your home.
953
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,139
You come home one night
from the movies,
or going out for dinner
954
00:48:21,174 --> 00:48:23,762
and you come home and you find,
955
00:48:23,797 --> 00:48:27,939
your house to be perfectly
the way that you left it,
956
00:48:27,974 --> 00:48:30,631
except that where
those pictures were stored,
957
00:48:30,666 --> 00:48:32,357
the pictures are gone.
958
00:48:32,392 --> 00:48:34,566
Or the opposite will happen.
959
00:48:34,601 --> 00:48:37,190
You come home,
the window will be broken,
960
00:48:37,224 --> 00:48:39,157
"We had a burglar.
961
00:48:39,192 --> 00:48:42,954
"And they stole this,
they stole my television
962
00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:46,061
"they stole this.
Oh, and also stole
those pictures."
963
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:50,030
Now it looks like a burglar.
964
00:48:50,065 --> 00:48:52,860
So you call the local police,
you tell local police.
965
00:48:52,895 --> 00:48:55,794
And the local police,
is going to say, "Well,
so you had pictures taken,
966
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:57,313
"you know, there's nothing
we can do about that."
967
00:49:14,123 --> 00:49:16,781
Paul Bennewitz,
was a successful entrepreneur
968
00:49:16,815 --> 00:49:20,233
and scientist who lived
in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
969
00:49:20,267 --> 00:49:23,857
There, he unintentionally
stumbled into
radio transmissions
970
00:49:23,891 --> 00:49:27,895
from a secret military base
just beyond the border
of his city.
971
00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:31,623
Later, this base would become
known as Dulce Base.
972
00:49:31,658 --> 00:49:35,558
Bennewitz was then contacted
and influenced by Richard Doty.
973
00:49:35,593 --> 00:49:38,078
Little did he know
he would become a victim
974
00:49:38,113 --> 00:49:40,632
of a mass
misinformation campaign
975
00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:42,462
that would end in tragedy.
976
00:49:44,015 --> 00:49:48,330
Now, there is one person
who has called himself
977
00:49:48,364 --> 00:49:51,781
a Man In Black,
who's very well known
978
00:49:51,816 --> 00:49:54,474
in the UFO community
and that is Richard Doty.
979
00:49:54,508 --> 00:49:59,237
And Richard Doty,
was a member
of the Air Force Office
980
00:49:59,272 --> 00:50:02,861
of Special Investigation,
AFOSI.
981
00:50:02,896 --> 00:50:06,658
It's like the Air Force's,
their version of the CIA,
982
00:50:06,693 --> 00:50:08,384
you can say,
their intelligence agency.
983
00:50:08,419 --> 00:50:14,080
Part of his job was to protect
U.S. Air Force technology,
984
00:50:14,114 --> 00:50:16,116
secrets, and things like this.
985
00:50:16,151 --> 00:50:20,258
And one of the things that
the Air Force would do
986
00:50:20,293 --> 00:50:23,606
to protect those secrets is...
987
00:50:23,641 --> 00:50:27,058
Like, there's one instance that
I know Doty has talked about
988
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:30,027
in which
there is a crash of a...
989
00:50:31,407 --> 00:50:33,720
A secret experimental aircraft,
990
00:50:33,754 --> 00:50:36,792
and witnesses actually
had photographed it.
991
00:50:36,826 --> 00:50:40,589
And you have a situation
of AFOSI going to meet
992
00:50:40,623 --> 00:50:42,936
with these witnesses
or this witness,
993
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:44,765
and to say,
"Look, this is a UFO,"
994
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,595
or let... Let them believe
it was a UFO
995
00:50:46,629 --> 00:50:48,252
and confiscate the images.
996
00:50:48,286 --> 00:50:49,667
Rather than let them know,
997
00:50:49,701 --> 00:50:51,807
"Yeah, you actually photographed
something that we're building
998
00:50:51,841 --> 00:50:53,809
"that we don't want anyone
to know about."
999
00:50:53,843 --> 00:50:55,673
"Don't you think it's a UFO?
1000
00:50:55,707 --> 00:50:58,710
"Did you ever see
a craft operated like that?"
1001
00:50:58,745 --> 00:51:02,093
You just have to put
that idea in your minds,
1002
00:51:02,128 --> 00:51:05,786
And I go back to the
Paul Bennewitz, uh, case...
1003
00:51:05,821 --> 00:51:08,099
which I was intimately
involved with.
1004
00:51:08,134 --> 00:51:10,412
Um, Paul was already a believer
1005
00:51:10,446 --> 00:51:13,104
and what he was doing,
he was taking pictures
1006
00:51:13,139 --> 00:51:17,108
of the U.S. Air Force highly
classified drone projects.
1007
00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:19,490
The project
was highly classified.
1008
00:51:20,215 --> 00:51:21,630
I went to Paul,
1009
00:51:21,664 --> 00:51:25,116
and Paul was already a believer,
he was already a member
of MUFON.
1010
00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:27,049
So it was very easy for him...
1011
00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:29,603
For me, I said,
"What do you think it is, Paul?"
1012
00:51:29,638 --> 00:51:32,192
He said, "I think it is UFO.
I think it's alien craft."
1013
00:51:32,227 --> 00:51:34,056
I said, "You know what?
1014
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,402
"Could very well be."
1015
00:51:35,437 --> 00:51:37,887
That's all I had to say.
1016
00:51:37,922 --> 00:51:40,752
And Paul ran with it,
and believed it.
1017
00:51:41,546 --> 00:51:43,134
And the rest is... Is history.
1018
00:51:43,169 --> 00:51:45,481
You know,
you can believe this or not,
1019
00:51:45,516 --> 00:51:48,622
at least some of those things
that witnesses photographed
1020
00:51:48,657 --> 00:51:51,832
were not ours,
and they were not Russian.
1021
00:51:51,867 --> 00:51:54,214
So there were instances,
according to him,
1022
00:51:54,249 --> 00:51:56,768
this is my understanding,
in which...
1023
00:51:58,184 --> 00:52:00,979
There are objects
that were not from here,
but they...
1024
00:52:01,911 --> 00:52:03,534
wanted that information as well.
1025
00:52:03,568 --> 00:52:05,708
Now, again,
is this true or not, who knows?
1026
00:52:05,743 --> 00:52:09,264
uh, we were able to...
And this isn't classified
anymore.
1027
00:52:09,298 --> 00:52:12,301
One of the things that
Paul Bennewitz had also, uh,
1028
00:52:13,268 --> 00:52:17,513
kind of stumbled into
by recording signals
1029
00:52:17,548 --> 00:52:20,102
was our ability
to shoot a laser
1030
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:26,177
uh, at a ground based
laser station up into space.
1031
00:52:26,212 --> 00:52:29,146
And as the Soviet satellite
came over,
1032
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:32,045
that laser would hit the lens
1033
00:52:32,942 --> 00:52:34,530
and blind the satellite
1034
00:52:34,565 --> 00:52:37,775
while it's going over a certain
base preventing that
1035
00:52:37,809 --> 00:52:40,157
satellite to take pictures
of the base.
1036
00:52:40,191 --> 00:52:42,469
Now, there was a satellite base,
1037
00:52:42,504 --> 00:52:45,162
Kirtland Air Force Base
and one at Groom Lake.
1038
00:52:45,196 --> 00:52:47,302
There was actually
two out at Groom Lake
1039
00:52:47,336 --> 00:52:50,615
and one at different locations.
1040
00:52:50,650 --> 00:52:52,341
And that's when every time
1041
00:52:52,376 --> 00:52:54,826
a Soviet satellite
would come over,
1042
00:52:54,861 --> 00:52:57,346
they'd shoot that laser up
and blind it.
1043
00:52:57,381 --> 00:53:00,487
So they wouldn't be able
to take a picture
of what was on the ground.
1044
00:53:00,522 --> 00:53:02,938
But here's what we know
about Mr. Bennewitz.
1045
00:53:02,972 --> 00:53:04,388
He was a very smart,
1046
00:53:04,422 --> 00:53:07,494
capable defense contractor,
lived in Albuquerque,
1047
00:53:07,529 --> 00:53:09,220
right by
Kirtland Air Force Base
1048
00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:12,085
by the Manzano weapons
storage facility,
1049
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:13,776
which was very important.
1050
00:53:13,811 --> 00:53:16,986
And his office was right across
from there,
1051
00:53:17,021 --> 00:53:20,680
and he witnessed things
that were, he believed,
1052
00:53:20,714 --> 00:53:22,923
were very strange.
We're talking, um...
1053
00:53:23,545 --> 00:53:25,202
1979, 1980.
1054
00:53:26,582 --> 00:53:29,309
And Bennewitz
was a real patriot.
1055
00:53:30,724 --> 00:53:33,140
And he contacted the Air Force.
1056
00:53:33,175 --> 00:53:37,144
He said, "Look, I'm recording
things over there that are...
1057
00:53:37,179 --> 00:53:40,631
"They... These are like UFOs."
And he openly told them,
1058
00:53:40,665 --> 00:53:42,495
I think we're talking
November 1980.
1059
00:53:43,875 --> 00:53:46,844
And this is when Doty
gets alerted to this
1060
00:53:46,878 --> 00:53:48,949
and he is sent along
with other individuals.
1061
00:53:48,984 --> 00:53:50,744
Doty's not the only one.
They go to visit Bennewitz
1062
00:53:50,779 --> 00:53:52,332
to find out, like,
"What does this guy have?"
1063
00:53:53,299 --> 00:53:56,440
And the reality,
apparently, is that
1064
00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:59,443
Doty and Bennewitz
became genuine friends.
1065
00:54:00,754 --> 00:54:04,586
Um, I mean, probably his job
was to befriend Bennewitz,
1066
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:07,589
but I... I do think that
they actually ended up
liking each other.
1067
00:54:07,623 --> 00:54:09,970
But Doty was working Bennewitz
1068
00:54:10,005 --> 00:54:14,354
and his job, absolutely,
was to protect any secrets
1069
00:54:14,389 --> 00:54:17,495
that the folks over at Kirtland
needed him to protect.
1070
00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:19,014
That was his job.
1071
00:54:19,048 --> 00:54:23,639
So, you know, according to how
Doty has often told this story,
1072
00:54:24,744 --> 00:54:27,402
and I think this part
we can say is true.
1073
00:54:27,436 --> 00:54:32,752
Bennewitz was a very,
very strong UFO believer
to start with.
1074
00:54:32,786 --> 00:54:35,410
And even before he was seeing
things over by Kirtland,
1075
00:54:36,859 --> 00:54:40,587
um, he was involved
in at least one,
1076
00:54:40,622 --> 00:54:42,934
let's call it an investigation
1077
00:54:42,969 --> 00:54:45,937
of a cattle mutilation incident
and abduction,
1078
00:54:45,972 --> 00:54:48,733
uh, relating to a woman
named Myrna Hansen,
1079
00:54:48,768 --> 00:54:51,529
who went through
hypnotic regression,
1080
00:54:51,564 --> 00:54:53,807
uh, I believe in fact,
by Dr. Leo Sprinkle,
1081
00:54:53,842 --> 00:54:56,258
who's a very well known
individual in this,
1082
00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:58,225
and Bennewitz was there
and they...
1083
00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:59,606
And Myrna Hansen was regressed
1084
00:54:59,641 --> 00:55:03,541
and she gave a very detailed,
very detailed account
1085
00:55:03,576 --> 00:55:07,269
of being taken
to an underground facility.
1086
00:55:07,304 --> 00:55:09,271
It's, like,
very heavy duty stuff.
1087
00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:14,759
So Bennewitz was deeply
involved in all of this.
1088
00:55:14,794 --> 00:55:16,520
Then he sees all of...
1089
00:55:16,554 --> 00:55:18,038
You know, he sees things,
1090
00:55:18,073 --> 00:55:22,008
and he's recording, uh,
emissions that he believes
1091
00:55:22,042 --> 00:55:24,182
are like a form of
alien communication.
1092
00:55:25,598 --> 00:55:29,153
So with that, Doty and his team
go to talk to Bennewitz.
1093
00:55:29,187 --> 00:55:30,741
And, um,
1094
00:55:30,775 --> 00:55:36,747
did Doty explicitly give
Bennewitz false information?
1095
00:55:36,781 --> 00:55:39,094
Or did he show Bennewitz things
1096
00:55:39,128 --> 00:55:41,372
and let Bennewitz
draw his own conclusions?
1097
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:45,169
I think definitely
the latter happened,
1098
00:55:45,203 --> 00:55:48,517
and maybe some of
the former happened also.
1099
00:55:48,552 --> 00:55:52,935
Um, for example,
there is one story where...
1100
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:57,319
Where Doty took Bennewitz.
to, uh, Dulce, New Mexico.
1101
00:55:57,354 --> 00:56:02,359
Now, Dulce has a legitimate
history of bizarre
1102
00:56:02,393 --> 00:56:05,672
cattle mutilations
and UFO activity.
1103
00:56:05,707 --> 00:56:07,709
I've been there myself.
And, in fact, I spoke to
1104
00:56:07,743 --> 00:56:10,781
members of the Gomez family
in Dulce some years ago.
1105
00:56:10,815 --> 00:56:13,956
This is a family that lost,
I think, over 50 head of cattle
1106
00:56:13,991 --> 00:56:16,303
to mutilations
during that period of time.
1107
00:56:17,512 --> 00:56:21,516
Um, there's reason to think
that it might be beyond human,
1108
00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:23,483
and there's reason to think
that there are definitely
1109
00:56:23,518 --> 00:56:26,141
human intelligence operators
there as well.
1110
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:30,387
There's a lot of strange things
that happened over at Dulce.
1111
00:56:30,421 --> 00:56:32,734
So, and over
at Dulce, you've got
1112
00:56:32,768 --> 00:56:35,322
Mount Archuleta
and Archuleta Peak.
1113
00:56:35,357 --> 00:56:37,117
Uh, yeah, I think that's it.
1114
00:56:37,152 --> 00:56:40,327
So, there's these two
large structures there,
1115
00:56:40,362 --> 00:56:46,506
and there have long been rumors
of underground facilities there.
1116
00:56:46,541 --> 00:56:48,612
And, um...
1117
00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:50,407
And in fact, I think
that there probably were
1118
00:56:50,441 --> 00:56:52,063
underground facilities there.
1119
00:56:52,098 --> 00:56:55,412
I recall distinctly speaking
to Edmundo Gomez
many years ago
1120
00:56:55,446 --> 00:56:57,828
who was the son of...
1121
00:56:57,862 --> 00:57:00,175
Of, um, the senior Gomez
at the time,
1122
00:57:00,209 --> 00:57:03,937
and Edmundo told me, he said,
"Look, in the early '70s,
1123
00:57:03,972 --> 00:57:07,078
"we could hear all kinds
of construction sounds
coming out of there
1124
00:57:07,113 --> 00:57:09,115
"and we all believed,"
he said, "that there was
1125
00:57:09,149 --> 00:57:11,531
"some kind of construction
going on at Dulce."
1126
00:57:11,566 --> 00:57:13,257
That's his opinion.
1127
00:57:13,291 --> 00:57:16,916
In any case, Doty, uh,
at one point takes Bennewitz
1128
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:19,090
either on a helicopter
or aircraft,
1129
00:57:19,125 --> 00:57:20,298
I can't remember which,
1130
00:57:20,333 --> 00:57:24,717
and they fly around
Archuleta Peak, and...
1131
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:28,306
And Bennewitz
draws the conclusion
1132
00:57:28,341 --> 00:57:30,861
that there is an underground
base there.
1133
00:57:30,895 --> 00:57:34,934
And, uh, according...
I think this is how, uh,
Greg Bishop wrote about this
1134
00:57:34,968 --> 00:57:37,212
in his study of this called
Project Beta,
1135
00:57:38,178 --> 00:57:40,491
uh, that there were, like...
1136
00:57:40,526 --> 00:57:42,735
Like these fake artifacts
put up by the Air Force
1137
00:57:42,769 --> 00:57:44,495
to make Bennewitz think
1138
00:57:44,530 --> 00:57:46,186
that there was all of this
activity going on
1139
00:57:46,221 --> 00:57:48,775
and make him think there was
a big UFO thing happening there.
1140
00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:51,882
Uh, and also to lead him away
1141
00:57:51,916 --> 00:57:53,642
from his fixation on Kirtland
1142
00:57:54,332 --> 00:57:55,920
to get him to look at Dulce.
1143
00:57:55,955 --> 00:57:57,163
That was part of this,
1144
00:57:57,197 --> 00:57:59,303
at least according
to Bishop's research.
1145
00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:28,125
On December 26, 1980,
1146
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,162
Great Britain's most
notorious UFO incident
1147
00:58:31,197 --> 00:58:33,855
occurred at
a United States Air Force base
1148
00:58:33,889 --> 00:58:35,857
in Rendlesham Forest.
1149
00:58:35,891 --> 00:58:38,963
Security personnel
Jim Penniston,
1150
00:58:38,998 --> 00:58:42,346
John Burroughs
and Edward Cabansag
1151
00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,314
were alerted by radio
that a UFO was seen
1152
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:49,077
moving in the forest
on the perimeter of the base.
1153
00:58:49,111 --> 00:58:52,114
They made their way out
to the edge of the forest
1154
00:58:52,149 --> 00:58:53,840
and as they made their way in,
1155
00:58:53,875 --> 00:58:56,291
eventually they stood
right in front
1156
00:58:56,325 --> 00:59:00,537
of something they could
only describe as being
from out of this world.
1157
00:59:00,571 --> 00:59:03,401
This small triangular
metallic craft
1158
00:59:03,436 --> 00:59:06,577
had strange symbols
etched into its surface.
1159
00:59:06,612 --> 00:59:10,995
It emanated a vibrant glow
that lit up the canopy
of the forest,
1160
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:13,239
and it was almost soundless.
1161
00:59:13,273 --> 00:59:16,518
It is said that the craft
took off in an instant
1162
00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:17,899
from the forest floor
1163
00:59:17,933 --> 00:59:21,523
as if it disappeared into
the night sky before them.
1164
00:59:21,558 --> 00:59:25,838
These three eye witnesses
made their way
back to the base by car,
1165
00:59:25,872 --> 00:59:29,911
where many other observers
of the UFO were stationed.
1166
00:59:29,945 --> 00:59:32,741
As they arrived,
they were surprised to have
1167
00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:35,882
men in civilian clothing
waiting for them.
1168
00:59:35,917 --> 00:59:38,575
And to quote John Burroughs,
1169
00:59:38,609 --> 00:59:41,854
"There were gentlemen there
with sunglasses,
1170
00:59:41,888 --> 00:59:44,857
"who took Jim and Ed
off somewhere.
1171
00:59:44,891 --> 00:59:48,550
"We no longer saw them
after we traded in our weapons,
1172
00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:52,554
"and I felt betrayed
because they wouldn't
talk to me anymore.
1173
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:55,626
"What was said to them
to clam them up so tight?
1174
00:59:56,316 --> 00:59:58,215
"I have no idea."
1175
00:59:58,249 --> 01:00:01,183
This story follows
an age old pattern
1176
01:00:01,218 --> 01:00:03,772
of a prominent
Men In Black cover up.
1177
01:00:03,807 --> 01:00:06,257
A UFO incident occurs.
1178
01:00:06,292 --> 01:00:09,433
Experiencers witness
something that shouldn't exist
1179
01:00:09,467 --> 01:00:12,298
in our conventionally
understood reality.
1180
01:00:12,332 --> 01:00:15,508
A meeting then follows
between these experiencers
1181
01:00:15,542 --> 01:00:18,338
and the Men In Black
which strikes fear in them
1182
01:00:18,373 --> 01:00:22,446
to never speak about
what they saw or experienced.
1183
01:00:38,427 --> 01:00:40,706
I served
in the United States Air Force
1184
01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:44,606
for six years from 1992 to 1998.
1185
01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:48,990
First three years were at
Elmendorf Air Force Base
in Alaska,
1186
01:00:49,024 --> 01:00:53,201
and the other three years
were at Fort George G. Meade
1187
01:00:53,235 --> 01:00:55,686
in Maryland, the home of NSA.
1188
01:00:55,721 --> 01:01:00,553
Now, my role for NSA
was as a computer technician,
1189
01:01:00,587 --> 01:01:03,556
primarily systems
and network administration
1190
01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:06,455
for a specific
surveillance crew.
1191
01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:11,391
I cannot get into specifics
of what exactly
we were surveilling,
1192
01:01:11,426 --> 01:01:14,705
uh, but essentially,
I offered computer support
1193
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:18,019
for those that were
performing this function.
1194
01:01:18,053 --> 01:01:20,884
Of course,
I had a top secret clearance.
1195
01:01:20,918 --> 01:01:24,577
A, uh, TS/SCI clearance
specifically,
1196
01:01:24,611 --> 01:01:27,442
and that is
very compartmentalized.
1197
01:01:27,476 --> 01:01:31,032
Now, on occasion,
we did have a need
1198
01:01:31,066 --> 01:01:36,934
to, uh, exit, uh, the NSA campus
and go to an off-site location.
1199
01:01:36,969 --> 01:01:41,214
And there are a plethora
of these types of locations
1200
01:01:41,249 --> 01:01:42,975
across the country.
1201
01:01:43,009 --> 01:01:48,394
And these locations
were basically hidden
in plain sight.
1202
01:01:48,428 --> 01:01:52,501
You know, they would be at, uh,
you know, just small,
1203
01:01:52,536 --> 01:01:55,504
you know, maybe strip malls
that were out of the way.
1204
01:01:55,539 --> 01:01:57,817
So they just had
some local businesses,
1205
01:01:57,852 --> 01:02:00,509
uh, some different offices,
that sort of thing.
1206
01:02:00,544 --> 01:02:03,616
And when we would have to go
to these locations,
1207
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:07,033
we could not arrive
in our military attire.
1208
01:02:07,068 --> 01:02:10,105
Uh, they did not want
it to be known
1209
01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:13,522
that this was actually
a, uh, government operation
1210
01:02:13,557 --> 01:02:15,041
and the military was involved.
1211
01:02:15,076 --> 01:02:17,664
So we were required,
as protocol,
1212
01:02:17,699 --> 01:02:21,289
to dress in black suits
and a tie
1213
01:02:21,323 --> 01:02:22,980
to go to these locations.
1214
01:02:54,909 --> 01:02:59,672
...being interrogated.
I just don't.
And I don't know if...
1215
01:03:12,996 --> 01:03:15,619
I don't know.
I mean, I, I don't know.
1216
01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:18,518
Was that, uh...
Was that an MIB experience?
1217
01:03:18,553 --> 01:03:20,969
You know,
black helicopters, uh.
1218
01:03:21,004 --> 01:03:24,041
You know, military,
uh, abductions
that happen sometimes.
1219
01:03:24,076 --> 01:03:25,905
People are taken
and then they talk about
1220
01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:28,528
them being visited by,
you know, military personnel
1221
01:03:28,563 --> 01:03:30,358
and re, debriefed
about their abduction.
1222
01:03:30,392 --> 01:03:32,636
So, Dan Aykroyd, the actor,
the comedian,
1223
01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:35,777
has a very interesting story
about Men In Black as well,
1224
01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:40,299
and, um, it's funny
I have my own little
oblique connection to this.
1225
01:03:40,333 --> 01:03:42,128
Very, very small.
1226
01:03:42,163 --> 01:03:45,235
But in 2002, Dan Aykroyd
had a TV show called Out There.
1227
01:03:46,236 --> 01:03:48,100
And, uh, it was a UFO show.
1228
01:03:48,134 --> 01:03:49,377
Dan Aykroyd, of course,
1229
01:03:49,411 --> 01:03:51,689
everyone knows Dan Aykroyd
is very interested in UFOs.
1230
01:03:51,724 --> 01:03:52,967
He's very knowledgeable.
1231
01:03:53,001 --> 01:03:56,798
He knows this field,
he's very sophisticated with it.
1232
01:03:56,833 --> 01:04:00,906
And he wanted to do a serious
treatment of the UFO subject.
1233
01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:06,014
And in fact, uh,
this is 2002, and I was, uh...
1234
01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:08,845
I was one of the new guys
in the field at that time,
1235
01:04:08,879 --> 01:04:13,504
and I had, actually, myself
gotten a communication
from his team,
1236
01:04:13,539 --> 01:04:16,611
and they were interested
in interviewing me
for this show.
1237
01:04:16,645 --> 01:04:18,578
So I was excited.
I thought, "Oh, this is awesome!
1238
01:04:18,613 --> 01:04:21,996
"I'll get to... Maybe
I'll get to meet Dan Aykroyd."
1239
01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:24,757
Uh, and then I discovered,
no, the show fell through
no more,
1240
01:04:24,791 --> 01:04:26,241
and I won't get my opportunity.
1241
01:04:26,276 --> 01:04:30,832
So what's interesting is that,
uh, the day that
that show was canceled,
1242
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:33,041
has a very interesting story.
1243
01:04:33,076 --> 01:04:35,906
So according to what Aykroyd
said, he's out taking a break,
1244
01:04:35,941 --> 01:04:37,563
having a smoke outside.
1245
01:04:38,598 --> 01:04:44,018
And there's a very unsettling
man, in black,
1246
01:04:44,052 --> 01:04:46,641
who's at some distance,
1247
01:04:46,675 --> 01:04:49,747
but I don't think that far,
who's staring at him.
1248
01:04:49,782 --> 01:04:51,577
It's unsettling to Aykroyd.
1249
01:04:51,611 --> 01:04:55,167
The man is dressed in black,
he's got a car, a black car.
1250
01:04:55,201 --> 01:04:57,894
He looks away
and then looks over.
1251
01:04:57,928 --> 01:04:59,861
And the man
and the car are gone.
1252
01:05:01,207 --> 01:05:02,553
Um, apparently in such a way
1253
01:05:02,588 --> 01:05:03,934
that it didn't make
sense to him,
1254
01:05:03,969 --> 01:05:06,764
that it just disappeared
in such a way.
1255
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,008
Right after that,
1256
01:05:09,043 --> 01:05:10,630
right after that,
he's back inside.
1257
01:05:10,665 --> 01:05:13,081
He gets a phone call
from his producer,
1258
01:05:13,116 --> 01:05:16,119
who tells him, without
an explanation, by the way,
1259
01:05:16,153 --> 01:05:17,430
that the show's been canceled.
1260
01:05:17,465 --> 01:05:19,260
"No more shooting. It's over."
1261
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:20,882
End of story.
1262
01:05:21,262 --> 01:05:22,435
Big mystery.
1263
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:23,436
So it was, "Oh, hi, Britney.
1264
01:05:23,471 --> 01:05:25,093
"Sure. Oh, of course,
I'd love to do..."
1265
01:05:25,128 --> 01:05:26,129
Guy gives me a dirty look.
1266
01:05:26,163 --> 01:05:27,199
"Oh, well, sure."
1267
01:05:27,233 --> 01:05:28,234
Car gone.
1268
01:05:28,269 --> 01:05:29,270
That's what happened.
1269
01:05:29,304 --> 01:05:31,997
And, uh, then two hours later,
1270
01:05:32,031 --> 01:05:34,861
uh, we were told that
we were not to continue taping
1271
01:05:34,896 --> 01:05:36,794
and the show was canceled
and none of them would air.
1272
01:05:37,899 --> 01:05:40,488
I don't know.
I mean, I... I don't know.
1273
01:05:40,522 --> 01:05:43,387
Was that, uh...
Was that an MIB experience?
1274
01:05:45,527 --> 01:05:48,047
So there's a very interesting,
let's say, creepy,
1275
01:05:48,082 --> 01:05:53,363
uh, video that is available
of two apparent Men In Black.
1276
01:05:54,157 --> 01:05:56,090
Uh, and this has to do with, uh,
1277
01:05:56,124 --> 01:05:58,644
an event that took place
at Niagara Falls.
1278
01:05:59,541 --> 01:06:00,818
Now, I don't know
the date of this.
1279
01:06:00,853 --> 01:06:04,270
The video itself
was posted to YouTube in 2013,
1280
01:06:04,305 --> 01:06:06,963
and it's very interesting.
1281
01:06:20,252 --> 01:06:23,220
So, what you have
is a situation where a...
1282
01:06:23,255 --> 01:06:25,878
A hotel employee
at Niagara Falls,
1283
01:06:27,017 --> 01:06:30,089
uh, the night before had sh...
1284
01:06:30,124 --> 01:06:34,507
Apparently had shot
a very impressive video
1285
01:06:34,542 --> 01:06:37,407
of a vivid and,
I think, large UFO
1286
01:06:37,441 --> 01:06:39,098
over Niagara Falls.
1287
01:06:39,133 --> 01:06:41,618
The very next day
called in sick.
1288
01:06:41,652 --> 01:06:46,071
And on that day
that he'd called in sick, uh,
1289
01:06:46,105 --> 01:06:48,383
there are these
very two odd men,
1290
01:06:48,418 --> 01:06:50,006
very intimidating-looking men
1291
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,733
and all of this is caught on
the hotel, uh, security camera.
1292
01:06:53,768 --> 01:06:57,013
And it's interesting
because you see
all the hotel traffic,
1293
01:06:57,047 --> 01:06:59,429
people coming in and out,
out of the hotel.
1294
01:06:59,463 --> 01:07:02,880
And then you see these two
very, fairly large men
1295
01:07:02,915 --> 01:07:06,125
in these big black trench coats
with hats.
1296
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,439
And the... At least one of
the people there is, like,
1297
01:07:09,473 --> 01:07:11,889
obviously intimidated by them
and walks away.
1298
01:07:11,924 --> 01:07:13,615
You can see that in the video.
1299
01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:15,893
So, they go in.
1300
01:07:15,928 --> 01:07:18,413
And furthermore, when you see,
at least to my view,
1301
01:07:18,448 --> 01:07:20,967
one of them walked
in a very odd way.
1302
01:07:21,002 --> 01:07:24,178
Like his feet
were not positioned
1303
01:07:24,212 --> 01:07:25,938
in the way that
you would normally see.
1304
01:07:25,972 --> 01:07:28,285
If you look carefully, like,
there, he's...
1305
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,080
His feet are positioned
in an odd way.
1306
01:07:30,115 --> 01:07:32,531
In any case, um,
1307
01:07:32,565 --> 01:07:35,085
what's interesting
about the video is
1308
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,259
you have one person, primarily,
1309
01:07:36,293 --> 01:07:38,399
but there's two people
in this video talking,
1310
01:07:38,433 --> 01:07:40,918
but these are
the hotel employees,
1311
01:07:40,953 --> 01:07:43,645
and they're describing
what happened in this encounter.
1312
01:07:44,577 --> 01:07:47,270
And, essentially, they come in
1313
01:07:47,304 --> 01:07:51,032
and they're looking for this
employee, who's not there.
1314
01:07:51,067 --> 01:07:55,036
And they scare the hell
out of this one woman
who's working there.
1315
01:07:55,071 --> 01:07:58,419
She gets to deal
with these two giant men
1316
01:07:58,453 --> 01:08:00,662
in these big black trench coats
1317
01:08:00,697 --> 01:08:03,148
with these enormous blue eyes
1318
01:08:03,182 --> 01:08:05,357
that never blink,
according to her.
1319
01:08:05,391 --> 01:08:08,981
And they're scaring her
to death, asking for this guy.
1320
01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:12,295
And she actually just broke down
crying during the encounter,
1321
01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:15,401
apparently, uh,
according to the person
telling the story,
1322
01:08:15,436 --> 01:08:17,541
who was another employee,
a coworker of hers.
1323
01:08:17,576 --> 01:08:21,580
Uh, they wanted this film.
1324
01:08:21,614 --> 01:08:23,892
They wanted this video,
and they...
1325
01:08:23,927 --> 01:08:26,619
You know, what's...
What's very interesting is
1326
01:08:26,654 --> 01:08:30,865
that you've got this recording
on a hotel security camera.
1327
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:33,764
And the only, you know,
what, what are the...
1328
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,939
What's going on here?
1329
01:08:35,973 --> 01:08:38,459
It's... It's either
a massive hoax
1330
01:08:38,493 --> 01:08:41,324
that the entire hotel staff
1331
01:08:41,358 --> 01:08:44,465
wanted to participate in
and create this thing.
1332
01:08:44,499 --> 01:08:47,399
All right, I suppose
that's a possibility.
1333
01:08:47,433 --> 01:08:49,194
Or it's true,
or it really happened
1334
01:08:49,228 --> 01:08:51,851
the way that it seems to happen.
1335
01:08:51,886 --> 01:08:55,061
And I don't... I don't know
what to say about it.
1336
01:08:55,096 --> 01:08:58,548
You know, I don't know, uh,
the names of any of the people.
1337
01:08:58,582 --> 01:09:00,515
Have they been
interviewed subsequently?
1338
01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:03,415
Do we have names?
What happened to the employee?
1339
01:09:03,449 --> 01:09:06,625
What happened to the film
that he shot, the video?
1340
01:09:06,659 --> 01:09:09,421
Uh, there's a lot of unanswered
questions in this story,
1341
01:09:09,455 --> 01:09:11,699
like, we just have to
acknowledge that.
1342
01:09:11,733 --> 01:09:16,635
On the other hand,
when you look at this,
you listen to it...
1343
01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:19,672
Look, I just have to say,
it sounds
potentially believable,
1344
01:09:20,604 --> 01:09:22,158
and I have to leave it at that.
1345
01:09:22,192 --> 01:09:27,818
I don't... I don't know
what my full determination
is on this, for all time,
1346
01:09:27,853 --> 01:09:30,856
but I certainly
will admit, it's...
1347
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:32,375
It catches my imagination.
1348
01:09:32,409 --> 01:09:34,308
It really makes me wonder
if it actually did happen.
1349
01:10:11,586 --> 01:10:15,487
UFO encounters
have been mired in suppression,
1350
01:10:15,521 --> 01:10:21,044
skepticism, and covert tactics,
termed, "The Truth Embargo."
1351
01:10:21,078 --> 01:10:24,358
This truth has now been
considered credible
1352
01:10:24,392 --> 01:10:28,293
and worth investigating
by the Department of Defense.
1353
01:10:28,327 --> 01:10:31,434
A recent news release
indicates the military
1354
01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:34,920
is again funding research
to the UAP
1355
01:10:34,954 --> 01:10:38,820
otherwise known as
the UFO phenomenon.
1356
01:10:38,855 --> 01:10:43,998
If there is a long history
of information suppression
quite evident,
1357
01:10:44,032 --> 01:10:48,692
then should we trust
the newfound interest
in the UFO phenomenon
1358
01:10:48,727 --> 01:10:50,522
by the U.S. Government?
1359
01:10:50,556 --> 01:10:53,179
Should witnesses
and experiencers
1360
01:10:53,214 --> 01:10:56,355
be the ones in which
we look to for information
1361
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:58,426
regarding this reality?
1362
01:10:58,461 --> 01:11:00,946
Perhaps the government
should be the safe place
1363
01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,708
to consider relevant
information on the topic.
1364
01:11:04,743 --> 01:11:07,987
If that is the case,
then the U.S. Government
1365
01:11:08,022 --> 01:11:10,473
will have to regain
the public trust
1366
01:11:10,507 --> 01:11:13,821
and undo decades of
The Truth Embargo
1367
01:11:13,855 --> 01:11:16,444
enacted by the Men In Black.
1368
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,584
The government
would have to admit
1369
01:11:18,619 --> 01:11:22,312
to the said suppression
of information in the past,
1370
01:11:22,347 --> 01:11:26,834
provide reparations
for those targeted
by the Men In Black,
1371
01:11:26,868 --> 01:11:29,630
release all
the credible documentation
1372
01:11:29,664 --> 01:11:33,150
that has been scrutinized by
the U.S. Department of Defense
1373
01:11:33,185 --> 01:11:35,429
over the past 70 years,
1374
01:11:35,463 --> 01:11:38,432
and, finally,
provide a clear explanation
1375
01:11:38,466 --> 01:11:40,019
for how this should affect
1376
01:11:40,054 --> 01:11:42,574
everyone's belief system
going forward.
1377
01:11:43,091 --> 01:11:44,610
We are not alone.
1378
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:47,337
The real question is:
1379
01:11:47,372 --> 01:11:50,409
Will the powers that be
ever stop using
1380
01:11:50,444 --> 01:11:53,619
Men In Black tactics
to control the narrative?
1381
01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:34,039
Ha-ha.
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