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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,236 --> 00:00:31,583 Federal agents, why would they still be here if they... 2 00:00:34,827 --> 00:00:36,415 Why would I make them so uncomfortable? 3 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:47,599 Who are you people? 4 00:00:52,983 --> 00:00:56,642 So, what do you think is the biggest threat right now? 5 00:00:56,677 --> 00:01:00,336 I think the biggest threat is the FBI, the NSA, 6 00:01:00,370 --> 00:01:02,407 um, and their counterparts in foreign governments. 7 00:01:02,441 --> 00:01:05,651 I mean, these are all, essentially, you know, 8 00:01:05,686 --> 00:01:06,928 companies, right? 9 00:01:06,963 --> 00:01:09,172 They try to justify their budgets in various ways, 10 00:01:09,207 --> 00:01:10,725 often by scaremongering. 11 00:01:26,189 --> 00:01:27,811 I make this look good. 12 00:01:27,846 --> 00:01:30,159 What are the Men In Black? 13 00:01:30,193 --> 00:01:33,507 People have been reporting their own Men In Black experiences 14 00:01:33,541 --> 00:01:34,922 and eyewitness accounts 15 00:01:34,956 --> 00:01:38,374 since the beginning of the UFO cover-up history. 16 00:01:38,408 --> 00:01:40,721 The burning question in most people's minds 17 00:01:40,755 --> 00:01:44,173 surrounding the infamous MIB accounts is, 18 00:01:44,207 --> 00:01:46,416 what are the Men In Black? 19 00:01:46,451 --> 00:01:48,108 Well, the Men In Black is a concept 20 00:01:48,142 --> 00:01:49,626 that's been in the UFO field 21 00:01:49,661 --> 00:01:53,251 since, really, the beginning of the UFO field essentially. 22 00:01:53,285 --> 00:01:56,564 Um, and there is a weird thing about it 23 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:58,911 because there's always been two different components 24 00:01:58,946 --> 00:02:01,121 to this phenomenon. 25 00:02:01,155 --> 00:02:04,020 Um, there are cases where a UFO witness 26 00:02:04,054 --> 00:02:05,263 or someone who has some connection 27 00:02:05,297 --> 00:02:07,782 to the UFO phenomenon, 28 00:02:08,611 --> 00:02:11,441 uh, is then accosted 29 00:02:11,476 --> 00:02:14,789 by, usually, two individuals, 30 00:02:14,824 --> 00:02:16,619 often in pairs, sometimes singular, 31 00:02:16,653 --> 00:02:18,862 sometimes even more than two, but often, two. 32 00:02:19,967 --> 00:02:22,866 And there are times when, uh, 33 00:02:22,901 --> 00:02:24,523 very, like, ordinary, 34 00:02:24,558 --> 00:02:27,802 like human-looking intelligence types 35 00:02:27,837 --> 00:02:29,597 approach someone 36 00:02:29,632 --> 00:02:34,188 and either warn them off of their investigation, 37 00:02:34,223 --> 00:02:36,604 or will actually make it very clear to them 38 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,056 that they're dealing with a UFO phenomenon. 39 00:02:40,090 --> 00:02:43,611 But in all cases, the idea is to scare off 40 00:02:43,646 --> 00:02:47,063 or intimidate the witness so that they don't pursue 41 00:02:47,097 --> 00:02:48,651 whatever it is that they're looking into. 42 00:02:58,695 --> 00:03:00,835 Historical accounts of the Men In Black 43 00:03:00,870 --> 00:03:03,493 recall the overwhelming sensation of fear 44 00:03:03,528 --> 00:03:06,289 experienced by those who have had prior encounters 45 00:03:06,324 --> 00:03:09,637 with UFOs or something out of the extraordinary. 46 00:03:09,672 --> 00:03:12,295 This fear is a tool used to suppress 47 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:15,471 an incredible UFO event from the public. 48 00:03:15,505 --> 00:03:17,266 What are their true goals? 49 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:20,476 Are they outdated military relics from the past? 50 00:03:20,510 --> 00:03:23,651 Or are they covertly influencing today's society 51 00:03:23,686 --> 00:03:26,758 through misinformation, fake news? 52 00:03:26,792 --> 00:03:29,761 The earliest recorded encounter with a man in black 53 00:03:29,795 --> 00:03:32,004 was in 1947. 54 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:34,766 Harold Dahl, a conservationist, 55 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,390 was near the shore of Maury Island in Washington. 56 00:03:38,425 --> 00:03:43,706 Dahl's job was to retrieve serviceable lumber, 57 00:03:43,740 --> 00:03:48,262 that was often just floating around in the water back in those days. 58 00:03:48,297 --> 00:03:49,781 And he would bring it back, 59 00:03:49,815 --> 00:03:51,645 and that would be their business, 60 00:03:51,679 --> 00:03:53,094 that's their business model. 61 00:03:53,129 --> 00:03:56,512 And so Dahl is out on a boat, uh, for this purpose 62 00:03:56,546 --> 00:04:00,447 with his teenage son and dog, actually. 63 00:04:01,310 --> 00:04:04,244 And he sees six discs... 64 00:04:19,224 --> 00:04:22,365 ...in the air. We're talking, this is June, 1947. 65 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,437 This is actually, uh, right before, 66 00:04:25,472 --> 00:04:29,821 a couple of days before Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting of flying saucers 67 00:04:29,855 --> 00:04:32,858 over by Mount Rainier in the state of Washington. 68 00:04:32,893 --> 00:04:35,171 So, uh, just a few days before that 69 00:04:35,205 --> 00:04:38,001 Dahl is out in his boat in the water 70 00:04:38,036 --> 00:04:40,452 and he sees these six disc-like objects, 71 00:04:40,487 --> 00:04:41,626 one of them's in trouble. 72 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:55,709 And it's, uh, wobbling and it's... 73 00:04:55,743 --> 00:04:58,090 It seems to be losing its stability. 74 00:05:10,068 --> 00:05:13,243 And the other discs come toward it, 75 00:05:13,278 --> 00:05:15,211 according to his description, 76 00:05:15,245 --> 00:05:19,180 and this disc that's in trouble releases material 77 00:05:19,215 --> 00:05:23,323 that, uh, almost looked like some kind of slag, that is, uh, 78 00:05:23,357 --> 00:05:28,051 like a rocky type of, uh, material that comes out. 79 00:05:28,914 --> 00:05:30,606 And according to what Dahl said, 80 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,573 some of this material hit his son, 81 00:05:32,608 --> 00:05:34,506 injuring his son's arm 82 00:05:34,541 --> 00:05:37,371 and supposedly killed his dog. 83 00:05:37,406 --> 00:05:40,029 And then after the object lost its material, 84 00:05:40,063 --> 00:05:41,893 it regained its stability 85 00:05:41,927 --> 00:05:46,207 and all of these objects then, uh, departed. 86 00:05:46,242 --> 00:05:52,248 So Dahl, uh, spoke to his supervisor, Fred Crisman. 87 00:05:52,282 --> 00:05:54,802 Here's where the Men In Black scenario comes in 88 00:05:54,837 --> 00:05:56,010 with Harold Dahl. 89 00:05:56,528 --> 00:05:57,736 The next day... 90 00:05:57,771 --> 00:06:00,152 What it comes down to is, he's at... There's a diner. 91 00:06:00,187 --> 00:06:04,916 There was a diner in that area where he's having breakfast the next day, 92 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:08,678 and he has a conversation with this mysterious man he's never met before. 93 00:06:08,713 --> 00:06:11,923 Dahl initially expected this man was a lumber dealer, 94 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:14,477 and he was expecting just to do 95 00:06:14,512 --> 00:06:17,238 a standard business arrangement with this guy. 96 00:06:17,273 --> 00:06:19,171 He deals... He dealt with strangers all the time 97 00:06:19,206 --> 00:06:20,483 who were interested in lumber. 98 00:06:21,795 --> 00:06:23,935 It turns out this man was nothing of the sort. 99 00:06:23,969 --> 00:06:26,834 This man then relates every single thing 100 00:06:26,869 --> 00:06:28,595 that had happened to Dahl the previous day. 101 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:32,633 And he knew all about it, 102 00:06:32,668 --> 00:06:35,325 uh, to Dahl's shock. 103 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,432 I mean, that would be a shocking thing for anyone to experience. 104 00:06:38,467 --> 00:06:41,021 And this mysterious man essentially said, "Look, 105 00:06:41,055 --> 00:06:43,299 "you're just going to leave this alone 106 00:06:43,333 --> 00:06:45,853 "and you're not going to pursue this in any way whatsoever, 107 00:06:45,888 --> 00:06:48,235 "if you know what's good for you." 108 00:06:48,269 --> 00:06:52,135 And so, uh, that's an intimidating experience for so many reasons. 109 00:06:52,170 --> 00:06:55,035 You can imagine, poor Harold Dahl thinking... 110 00:06:55,069 --> 00:06:56,277 This is 1947. 111 00:06:57,175 --> 00:06:59,073 You're in America in 1947, 112 00:06:59,108 --> 00:07:00,454 you're not under the assumption 113 00:07:00,489 --> 00:07:02,905 that you're living in a surveillance state. 114 00:07:02,939 --> 00:07:05,390 And so, imagine the shock he had to have felt 115 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:07,530 thinking, "Wait, what? How do you know 116 00:07:07,565 --> 00:07:10,119 "about anything that happened to me yesterday?" 117 00:07:11,016 --> 00:07:12,086 So, there's that level 118 00:07:12,121 --> 00:07:15,055 and then there's the implied threat from this man, 119 00:07:15,089 --> 00:07:16,332 which just added to it. 120 00:07:16,366 --> 00:07:18,507 Dahl did not have in his possession, 121 00:07:19,335 --> 00:07:20,785 uh, the slag at the time. 122 00:07:20,819 --> 00:07:23,201 There was an enormous amount of this stuff. 123 00:07:23,235 --> 00:07:25,306 So, like, we're talking 124 00:07:25,341 --> 00:07:28,137 much more than any one person could carry around with them. 125 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:32,175 Um, the bulk of this ended up in the possession 126 00:07:32,210 --> 00:07:34,937 of Fred Crisman, Dahl's boss. 127 00:07:34,971 --> 00:07:37,215 And eventually, the United States Air Force 128 00:07:37,249 --> 00:07:39,148 sends two men 129 00:07:39,182 --> 00:07:42,841 to investigate and retrieve whatever this material is. 130 00:07:43,808 --> 00:07:47,121 And they actually do get to do this. 131 00:07:47,156 --> 00:07:52,817 And they load all of this slag material onto an Air Force transport... 132 00:07:52,851 --> 00:07:54,508 Actually, this is Army Air Corps at the time. 133 00:07:54,543 --> 00:07:56,372 This is just before the Air Force 134 00:07:56,406 --> 00:07:59,927 has become a independent, unified entity, 135 00:07:59,962 --> 00:08:01,826 separate from the Army. 136 00:08:01,860 --> 00:08:06,106 So they come up from McChord Airfield in California, 137 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:09,074 to acquire this material, and they do, 138 00:08:09,109 --> 00:08:13,700 and on their way back from Maury Island, 139 00:08:13,734 --> 00:08:15,978 their plane catches fire and goes down and they die. 140 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:18,152 That's what happened. 141 00:08:18,187 --> 00:08:19,499 Uh, 142 00:08:20,154 --> 00:08:21,742 and after that I... 143 00:08:21,777 --> 00:08:23,468 I don't know what happened to the slag material 144 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:25,297 or whatever this was, 145 00:08:25,332 --> 00:08:27,852 but their plane crashed. 146 00:08:27,886 --> 00:08:31,096 What is the true mission of the Men In Black? 147 00:08:31,131 --> 00:08:33,167 Is it the suppression of information 148 00:08:33,202 --> 00:08:35,894 regarding UFOs and extraterrestrials? 149 00:08:35,929 --> 00:08:39,001 Or is it to aid them and further their agenda? 150 00:09:18,937 --> 00:09:21,250 So, relating to the story of a man named Albert Bender 151 00:09:21,284 --> 00:09:23,528 who also had a very interesting experience, 152 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:25,668 which actually coined the phrase " Men In Black." 153 00:09:25,703 --> 00:09:28,982 Bender was one of the earliest, 154 00:09:29,016 --> 00:09:33,227 uh, organizers of, kind of, civilian UFO groups. 155 00:09:33,262 --> 00:09:36,196 There was the International Flying Saucer Bureau. 156 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:39,337 Uh, it was a publication that was quite successful 157 00:09:39,371 --> 00:09:41,339 by 1952 standards. 158 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:43,859 You know, printing out the publication, 159 00:09:43,893 --> 00:09:46,344 mailing it out and getting subscriptions that way, 160 00:09:46,378 --> 00:09:48,380 it's not easy. It wasn't easy to do back then. 161 00:09:48,415 --> 00:09:51,901 Albert K. Bender founded the International Flying Saucer Bureau 162 00:09:51,936 --> 00:09:55,111 in 1952, during the big UFO flap. 163 00:09:55,146 --> 00:09:57,493 Now, this was a phenomena that he had been studying 164 00:09:57,527 --> 00:09:59,288 and following for years 165 00:09:59,322 --> 00:10:01,083 and decided that there needed to be 166 00:10:01,117 --> 00:10:03,775 one centralized location 167 00:10:03,810 --> 00:10:07,089 to put all of this information that had been gathered. 168 00:10:07,123 --> 00:10:08,884 But he was doing a pretty good job. 169 00:10:08,918 --> 00:10:12,163 Now, 1952 was a very big year for UFOs in the United States. 170 00:10:12,197 --> 00:10:14,165 A very, very big year. 171 00:10:14,199 --> 00:10:16,581 Um, you know, according to Project Blue Book, 172 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:19,342 which was doing investigations and taking reports, 173 00:10:19,377 --> 00:10:21,068 that was by far the biggest year they had. 174 00:10:21,103 --> 00:10:23,795 Yeah, you could say that Project Blue Book was, uh... 175 00:10:23,830 --> 00:10:25,279 You could say the first AATIP. 176 00:10:25,314 --> 00:10:28,662 You know, the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program 177 00:10:28,697 --> 00:10:29,767 that we've learned about since then. 178 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,770 But in Blue Book they, um, 179 00:10:32,804 --> 00:10:36,118 had over 1,500 UFO reports for that year, which... 180 00:10:36,152 --> 00:10:37,637 This is all pre-Internet. 181 00:10:37,671 --> 00:10:41,261 To get that many reports that people send in is... It's a lot. 182 00:10:41,295 --> 00:10:44,782 A lot of those were very intense military encounters. 183 00:10:45,506 --> 00:10:47,474 Very well documented. 184 00:10:47,508 --> 00:10:50,166 Uh, this is the year that for two weekends in a row, 185 00:10:50,201 --> 00:10:54,412 flying saucers were seen over the Capitol in Washington, DC that summer. 186 00:10:54,446 --> 00:10:56,966 It was the summer in which the United States Air Force 187 00:10:57,001 --> 00:11:00,556 held an enormous press conference all about this. 188 00:11:01,730 --> 00:11:04,422 It was the year in which, if you were to go into 189 00:11:04,456 --> 00:11:07,114 Wright-Patterson Air Force Base's, um, 190 00:11:07,149 --> 00:11:08,598 Project Blue Book Office, 191 00:11:08,633 --> 00:11:10,497 according to Edward Ruppelt who was running it back then, 192 00:11:10,531 --> 00:11:12,326 he said, "If you were to come in here, 193 00:11:12,361 --> 00:11:14,121 "you would have thought there was an invasion underway." 194 00:11:15,295 --> 00:11:16,952 It was that intense. 195 00:11:16,986 --> 00:11:19,506 Uh, there were a lot of people in the military 196 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:23,096 who actually believed that the secret was going to come out that year. 197 00:11:23,786 --> 00:11:25,685 That's how big it was. 198 00:11:25,719 --> 00:11:28,722 So in the midst of all that, you have a young guy like Bender 199 00:11:28,757 --> 00:11:33,209 who is investigating this on his own, and he's, 200 00:11:33,244 --> 00:11:35,660 you know, getting contributions from other writers, 201 00:11:35,695 --> 00:11:37,627 and he's got a decent publication going. 202 00:11:37,662 --> 00:11:39,250 It's quite successful. 203 00:11:39,284 --> 00:11:42,736 Now, this blew up and went international immediately. 204 00:11:42,771 --> 00:11:46,015 Within that first year, he already had offices 205 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:49,225 in the UK and also Australia. 206 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:51,365 And you have to realize, 207 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,816 this is long before the Internet, 208 00:11:53,851 --> 00:11:56,992 cell phones and our current technology. 209 00:11:57,026 --> 00:11:59,304 He was doing all of this through snail mail 210 00:11:59,339 --> 00:12:02,342 and, if he could afford it, long-distance telephone calls, 211 00:12:02,376 --> 00:12:05,276 back when you had to pay long-distance charges. 212 00:12:05,310 --> 00:12:07,588 So, on a very limited budget, 213 00:12:07,623 --> 00:12:11,247 he was able to make this very large organization 214 00:12:11,282 --> 00:12:14,043 that was compiling all of this information 215 00:12:14,078 --> 00:12:16,666 on UFO activity at the time 216 00:12:16,701 --> 00:12:19,428 and also producing a newsletter 217 00:12:19,462 --> 00:12:22,327 that would get mailed out as well. 218 00:12:22,362 --> 00:12:25,503 And then, seemingly out of the blue in March, 1953 219 00:12:25,537 --> 00:12:28,368 he just shuts the whole thing down and just runs away. 220 00:12:29,231 --> 00:12:30,715 And no one hears from Albert Bender. 221 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:32,130 He just makes this quick announcement, 222 00:12:32,165 --> 00:12:35,789 "I'm done. We're not doing this anymore. See you." 223 00:12:35,824 --> 00:12:39,379 Nobody really knew what truly happened. 224 00:12:39,413 --> 00:12:42,900 Gray Barker, a writer and publisher at that time, 225 00:12:42,934 --> 00:12:44,798 also involved in the UFO community, 226 00:12:44,833 --> 00:12:47,283 tried to get some details out of him 227 00:12:47,318 --> 00:12:50,735 and published a few, uh, scant details 228 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:52,530 during the mid-1950s 229 00:12:52,564 --> 00:12:55,671 but never really got a clear answer. 230 00:12:55,705 --> 00:13:01,642 But then, in the early 1960s, a little over 10 years later, 231 00:13:01,677 --> 00:13:05,992 Gray Barker published a book by Albert K. Bender called 232 00:13:06,026 --> 00:13:08,201 Flying Saucers and the Three Men 233 00:13:08,235 --> 00:13:10,341 where Albert K. Bender told his story 234 00:13:10,375 --> 00:13:12,274 about what had really happened to him. 235 00:13:12,308 --> 00:13:14,966 And, um, nine years after that, 236 00:13:15,001 --> 00:13:16,726 in 1962, Bender wrote a book 237 00:13:16,761 --> 00:13:18,763 called Flying Saucers and the Three Men 238 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:21,870 and he gives a... The story about why this all... 239 00:13:21,904 --> 00:13:23,803 Why did he shut it down in 1953, and... 240 00:13:24,907 --> 00:13:26,875 Uh, here's where we get into a definite 241 00:13:26,909 --> 00:13:30,119 paranormal description of the Men In Black. 242 00:13:30,154 --> 00:13:34,020 Now what Bender claimed is that he started being visited 243 00:13:34,054 --> 00:13:36,539 by three strange men. 244 00:13:36,574 --> 00:13:40,095 He would go into his bedroom at night and all of a sudden, 245 00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:44,754 three shadowy figures would materialize through the walls. 246 00:13:44,789 --> 00:13:47,343 Now these figures were very dark in nature. 247 00:13:47,378 --> 00:13:50,760 They were wearing hats, almost like a fedora style, 248 00:13:50,795 --> 00:13:53,867 and they had glowing eyes. 249 00:13:53,902 --> 00:13:56,387 Now, when I first heard this story, 250 00:13:56,421 --> 00:13:59,045 coming from a paranormal background like I do, 251 00:13:59,079 --> 00:14:01,633 I immediately thought of shadow people, 252 00:14:01,668 --> 00:14:05,223 the hat-wearing shadow entities that many people talk 253 00:14:05,258 --> 00:14:08,019 about observing and having interactions with. 254 00:14:08,054 --> 00:14:13,093 Now, Albert K. Bender believed that these were actually extraterrestrials. 255 00:14:13,128 --> 00:14:16,062 That they had come to warn him off 256 00:14:16,096 --> 00:14:17,718 of all the work that he was doing 257 00:14:17,753 --> 00:14:20,963 and these guys are the reason why he disbanded 258 00:14:20,998 --> 00:14:23,034 the International Flying Saucer Bureau. 259 00:14:23,069 --> 00:14:25,105 Now, other people hear this story 260 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:28,177 and they believe this is a Men In Black story. 261 00:14:28,212 --> 00:14:30,731 That it was the Men In Black that had arrived 262 00:14:30,766 --> 00:14:34,908 and warned him off of all of his flying saucer research. 263 00:14:34,943 --> 00:14:37,393 Now, with Bender, what he believed that 264 00:14:37,428 --> 00:14:41,018 these entities were, that they were ETs, 265 00:14:41,052 --> 00:14:44,021 they were extraterrestrials from some other world 266 00:14:44,055 --> 00:14:46,955 that had come to our planet 267 00:14:46,989 --> 00:14:50,441 to harvest resources down in Antarctica, 268 00:14:50,475 --> 00:14:53,996 where they were harvesting these resources out of the water. 269 00:14:54,031 --> 00:14:58,518 They were here on a 15-year mission to do so. 270 00:14:58,552 --> 00:15:01,038 And Albert Bender could not say anything 271 00:15:01,072 --> 00:15:05,352 about the true nature of what he had observed, 272 00:15:05,387 --> 00:15:08,493 who he was interacting with and why he had disbanded 273 00:15:08,528 --> 00:15:10,357 the International Flying Saucer Bureau 274 00:15:10,392 --> 00:15:13,809 until these ETs had left Earth. 275 00:15:13,843 --> 00:15:16,985 Which is why, several years later, in the 1960s, 276 00:15:17,019 --> 00:15:18,814 he came forth with his story 277 00:15:18,848 --> 00:15:20,954 and published the book through Gray Barker. 278 00:15:20,989 --> 00:15:23,646 He noted that they had red eyes. 279 00:15:23,681 --> 00:15:25,545 So any time you're going to see a being 280 00:15:25,579 --> 00:15:27,685 that can mysteriously enter your room 281 00:15:28,237 --> 00:15:29,756 and they've got red eyes, 282 00:15:29,790 --> 00:15:31,171 I think the implication is going to be 283 00:15:31,206 --> 00:15:33,415 that these aren't quite from our neighborhood. 284 00:15:34,209 --> 00:15:35,175 They're from somewhere else. 285 00:15:35,693 --> 00:15:36,521 So, Bender... 286 00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:41,561 You know, it's tough enough for people to accept 287 00:15:41,595 --> 00:15:44,253 this ordinary paranormal element of the story, 288 00:15:44,288 --> 00:15:46,186 and that's difficult enough. 289 00:15:46,221 --> 00:15:48,809 Then he added that they gave him... 290 00:15:49,603 --> 00:15:50,742 Well, they gave the reason 291 00:15:50,777 --> 00:15:52,813 why he couldn't investigate this, 292 00:15:52,848 --> 00:15:54,884 and they, according to Bender, they said, 293 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,509 "Well, we're mining under in Antarctica. 294 00:15:59,924 --> 00:16:02,651 "And this is very important and we don't want you 295 00:16:02,685 --> 00:16:04,584 "to disturb this and cause us any trouble." 296 00:16:04,618 --> 00:16:07,552 And they gave him, according to Bender, they gave him a medallion. 297 00:16:08,622 --> 00:16:10,590 And stated, 298 00:16:10,624 --> 00:16:14,180 "When this medallion disappears, that will mean that we're gone. 299 00:16:15,008 --> 00:16:17,010 "And then you can talk about us. 300 00:16:17,045 --> 00:16:18,667 "You cannot talk about us until then." 301 00:16:19,944 --> 00:16:23,016 And according to that reasoning, 302 00:16:23,051 --> 00:16:27,710 the medallion, uh, disappeared, I guess, in the early 1960s, 303 00:16:27,745 --> 00:16:29,057 prompting Bender to write his book, 304 00:16:29,091 --> 00:16:30,782 which was published in 1962. 305 00:16:31,783 --> 00:16:32,819 And, you know, I mean, 306 00:16:34,786 --> 00:16:36,547 it's not difficult to understand 307 00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:39,412 why people would have a very hard time to believe that. 308 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,414 Uh, "where's the evidence?" 309 00:16:41,448 --> 00:16:42,691 "Oh, well, the evidence disappeared. 310 00:16:42,725 --> 00:16:44,175 "No medallion." 311 00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:47,316 Antarctica, like, especially in 1950s in... 312 00:16:48,662 --> 00:16:49,939 You know, there would be no reason 313 00:16:49,974 --> 00:16:52,701 anyone would possibly think that there was work going on 314 00:16:52,735 --> 00:16:56,946 in Antarctica, the most remote, desolate part of the planet. 315 00:16:57,844 --> 00:16:59,535 Uh, pretty fantastic. 316 00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:02,262 Nowadays, uh, there's all kinds of talks 317 00:17:02,297 --> 00:17:03,677 and rumors about Antarctica 318 00:17:03,712 --> 00:17:05,369 in the UFO field. It never stops. 319 00:17:05,403 --> 00:17:11,064 Fully illuminated, round object was hovering silently over the missile silo 320 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:13,549 and shining a light down onto it. 321 00:17:13,584 --> 00:17:17,657 And then from this dead stop, it shoots off to the east, 322 00:17:17,691 --> 00:17:19,935 uh, just like, now you see it now you don't. 323 00:17:19,969 --> 00:17:23,111 This planet is being visited by beings from another world. 324 00:17:27,736 --> 00:17:31,084 In 1964, Dr. Robert Jacobs was in charge 325 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,846 of the optical instrumentation of ballistic missile testing. 326 00:17:34,881 --> 00:17:38,091 There, he recorded footage of an ICBM 327 00:17:38,126 --> 00:17:41,232 and was surprised to find the extraordinary. 328 00:17:41,267 --> 00:17:44,166 Here he recalls the events in detail. 329 00:17:44,201 --> 00:17:47,342 And flying downrange, we've got all three stages of powered flight, 330 00:17:47,376 --> 00:17:51,794 and as the, uh, dummy warhead and the package flew on downrange, 331 00:17:51,829 --> 00:17:54,349 we were all celebrating the fact that we had, uh, seen a thing 332 00:17:54,383 --> 00:17:55,453 and accomplished the mission. 333 00:17:57,110 --> 00:18:00,458 So, another interesting story concerned a man named Dr. Robert Jacobs, 334 00:18:00,493 --> 00:18:04,945 who was a highly qualified, uh, scientific professional 335 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:07,638 who in 1964, he was very much involved 336 00:18:07,672 --> 00:18:08,880 in film recording 337 00:18:08,915 --> 00:18:10,951 of missile launches, 338 00:18:10,986 --> 00:18:13,575 uh, out of White Sands Proving Ground 339 00:18:14,127 --> 00:18:16,129 in New Mexico, 340 00:18:16,164 --> 00:18:17,855 where, uh, ballistic missiles were being tested. 341 00:18:18,614 --> 00:18:20,306 And what they would do is 342 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:21,893 they would launch these missiles 343 00:18:21,928 --> 00:18:23,102 and then record them. 344 00:18:38,945 --> 00:18:39,911 ...and flying downrange, 345 00:18:39,946 --> 00:18:41,948 we got all three stages of powered flight 346 00:18:41,982 --> 00:18:44,226 and as the dummy warhead 347 00:18:44,261 --> 00:18:46,332 and the package flew on downrange, 348 00:18:46,366 --> 00:18:48,955 we were all celebrating the fact that we had seen a thing 349 00:18:48,989 --> 00:18:50,577 and accomplished the mission. 350 00:18:50,612 --> 00:18:53,718 When I got back to the base with the film the next day, 351 00:18:53,753 --> 00:18:57,170 I was called into the office of Major Florence J. Mansmann, 352 00:18:57,205 --> 00:19:00,311 and there were three people in gray suits standing in there. 353 00:19:00,346 --> 00:19:04,522 There was a 16 millimeter camera and a screen set up. 354 00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:06,731 Major Mansmann said, "Lieutenant, sit down and watch this." 355 00:19:06,766 --> 00:19:08,837 And he suddenly said, "Just watch this." 356 00:19:13,117 --> 00:19:14,187 And as I watched, 357 00:19:14,222 --> 00:19:16,948 the warhead, the dummy warhead, 358 00:19:16,983 --> 00:19:20,228 the shaft that was put out in front of it as the decoy 359 00:19:20,262 --> 00:19:25,302 to deflect the Russian anti-missile missile tracking radar. 360 00:19:26,234 --> 00:19:28,477 And during one of these tests, 361 00:19:28,512 --> 00:19:31,342 the missile just went completely haywire 362 00:19:31,377 --> 00:19:34,207 and didn't perform as expected, it crashed. 363 00:19:34,242 --> 00:19:37,900 And on review of the film the next day, 364 00:19:37,935 --> 00:19:41,939 what Jacobs and his supervisor who was a major, 365 00:19:41,973 --> 00:19:46,046 noticed that there was an object, a UFO. 366 00:19:47,151 --> 00:19:48,877 Everything was flying along and suddenly, 367 00:19:48,911 --> 00:19:50,637 in the same direction this stuff was flying 368 00:19:50,672 --> 00:19:52,950 at about 8,000 miles an hour. 369 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:54,986 The object came into the frame, 370 00:19:55,021 --> 00:19:57,403 shot a beam of light at the warhead, 371 00:19:57,437 --> 00:19:58,438 flew up to the top, 372 00:19:58,473 --> 00:20:00,129 shot another beam of light at the warhead, 373 00:20:00,164 --> 00:20:01,786 flew around at the direction it was flying, 374 00:20:01,821 --> 00:20:03,685 shot another beam of light at the warhead, 375 00:20:03,719 --> 00:20:06,550 flew down, shot another beam of light at the warhead, 376 00:20:06,584 --> 00:20:09,415 and flew out the same way it came in. 377 00:20:09,449 --> 00:20:11,210 Well, I don't see why didn't you see this 378 00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:13,419 when you were shooting it? 379 00:20:13,453 --> 00:20:16,594 Well, it was, uh, 600 to 800 miles away from us. 380 00:20:16,629 --> 00:20:18,251 Like a saucer type of an object 381 00:20:18,286 --> 00:20:21,599 that was clearly interacting with this missile. 382 00:20:23,118 --> 00:20:26,259 And it was when this object appeared, the missile went... 383 00:20:26,294 --> 00:20:29,987 And I think it shot some, like a laser or a beam. 384 00:20:30,021 --> 00:20:33,128 I think it was a very well defined 385 00:20:33,162 --> 00:20:36,994 laser type of a beam that was directed at this missile. 386 00:20:37,028 --> 00:20:39,652 And at that moment, the missile went off course 387 00:20:39,686 --> 00:20:41,930 and just crashed. 388 00:20:41,964 --> 00:20:44,312 Well, first of all Major Mansmann said to me, 389 00:20:44,346 --> 00:20:46,590 "What was that? Were you guys screwing around up there?" 390 00:20:46,624 --> 00:20:48,385 -I said, "No, sir," 391 00:20:48,419 --> 00:20:49,869 Then he said, "Then tell me what that was?" 392 00:20:49,903 --> 00:20:52,112 I said, "We got a UFO." 393 00:20:52,147 --> 00:20:54,045 After choosing to discuss the event, 394 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,048 Dr. Jacobs reports disruptions in his daily life. 395 00:20:57,083 --> 00:21:00,017 People calling at all times of the day and night 396 00:21:00,051 --> 00:21:01,260 threatening his life, 397 00:21:01,294 --> 00:21:04,124 which has escalated into property damage. 398 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:06,437 Intimidation is one of many techniques 399 00:21:06,472 --> 00:21:08,197 used to instill fear. 400 00:21:09,371 --> 00:21:10,614 And he said, "Lieutenant, 401 00:21:10,648 --> 00:21:13,617 "you are never to speak of this again. 402 00:21:13,651 --> 00:21:16,516 "As far as you're concerned, this didn't happen." 403 00:21:16,551 --> 00:21:20,140 Eventually, Major Mansmann confirmed Dr. Jacobs' claims 404 00:21:20,175 --> 00:21:23,351 of a UFO interacting with the ICBM. 405 00:21:23,385 --> 00:21:26,008 The major also disclosed that two agents 406 00:21:26,043 --> 00:21:27,907 who were not the CIA 407 00:21:27,941 --> 00:21:30,254 took the footage and altered it. 408 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:32,532 All film evidence of the UFO 409 00:21:32,567 --> 00:21:35,535 and its interactions with the missile were missing. 410 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:38,573 The Major reported that one agent said to him, 411 00:21:38,607 --> 00:21:40,471 "That leaves you off the hook, 412 00:21:40,506 --> 00:21:43,232 "but not off disclosure, understood?" 413 00:21:43,267 --> 00:21:45,200 Somehow the Major had said to Jacobs 414 00:21:45,234 --> 00:21:47,029 that these men told him, 415 00:21:47,064 --> 00:21:51,965 they'd erased the flying saucer from this film. 416 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,451 And they said, "You're off the hook, but you're not off of disclosure." 417 00:21:54,485 --> 00:21:55,762 In other words, 418 00:21:55,797 --> 00:21:58,765 you're not in trouble now because we've cleaned the film up, 419 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,180 but don't you talk about it. 420 00:22:01,112 --> 00:22:04,530 That's 1964 and, uh, Jacobs, 421 00:22:04,564 --> 00:22:07,464 then you fast-forward 422 00:22:07,498 --> 00:22:09,569 to the disclosure project with Dr. Steven Greer. 423 00:22:09,604 --> 00:22:12,607 We're talking late 1990s now, when Jacobs 424 00:22:12,641 --> 00:22:16,473 did an interview with Greer and talked about this event. 425 00:22:16,507 --> 00:22:18,371 And that was published in Greer's book, 426 00:22:18,406 --> 00:22:20,062 I think the following year, in 2000. 427 00:22:21,063 --> 00:22:24,308 And what Jacobs said in the aftermath of that 428 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:28,347 was that he was subject to a range of harassment 429 00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:30,107 type of activities. 430 00:22:30,141 --> 00:22:31,764 Some of these things would include, uh, 431 00:22:31,798 --> 00:22:35,733 threatening phone calls at all times of the day 432 00:22:35,768 --> 00:22:38,046 and, uh, even to vandalism against his property, 433 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,669 property damage 434 00:22:40,704 --> 00:22:42,395 and, uh, acts of intimidation of this sort. 435 00:22:43,465 --> 00:22:45,329 Which, yeah, that's going to intimidate people. 436 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:48,401 So, the whole point of, of this type of activity 437 00:22:48,436 --> 00:22:52,232 obviously, would be to frighten you, the witness, 438 00:22:52,819 --> 00:22:54,200 enough to realize, 439 00:22:54,234 --> 00:22:55,443 "You'd better not talk about this 440 00:22:55,477 --> 00:22:57,306 "because you're dealing with people 441 00:22:57,341 --> 00:22:59,308 "who will do damage to you." 442 00:22:59,343 --> 00:23:02,484 And if they can wiretap your phone, 443 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,418 or if they can threaten you at any time of the day, 444 00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,041 um, who knows what they're capable of doing? 445 00:23:21,745 --> 00:23:27,578 Now, there have been some visits by these types of individuals 446 00:23:27,613 --> 00:23:31,375 in which the witness doesn't believe that they're fully human. 447 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:36,449 There's an odd component to some of these encounters, 448 00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:40,902 and in fact, when you really go through some of those descriptions, 449 00:23:40,936 --> 00:23:43,801 it's easy to see why people would conclude that. 450 00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:46,942 Uh, some of those individuals are described 451 00:23:46,977 --> 00:23:49,669 physically as having very pasty skin 452 00:23:49,704 --> 00:23:52,085 or very unusual physical features 453 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,226 like, very thin, clothes don't fit them properly. 454 00:23:55,261 --> 00:23:57,539 Uh, odd behavioral characteristics. 455 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,472 In some cases, 456 00:23:59,507 --> 00:24:03,165 the witness will say that they almost seem to lose power, 457 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,167 uh, or energy in the middle of the interview 458 00:24:05,202 --> 00:24:06,514 and then they just leave 459 00:24:06,548 --> 00:24:09,689 as if they're like robots running out of battery power, 460 00:24:09,724 --> 00:24:11,001 you know, something like that. 461 00:24:11,035 --> 00:24:14,763 So you get these two disparate types 462 00:24:14,798 --> 00:24:17,145 of Men In Black stories, 463 00:24:17,179 --> 00:24:19,250 and that's always been the tension 464 00:24:19,285 --> 00:24:21,667 that you get with the Men In Black phenomenon. 465 00:24:22,495 --> 00:24:25,118 Are we dealing with, you know, 466 00:24:25,153 --> 00:24:26,879 people working through the CIA 467 00:24:26,913 --> 00:24:29,468 or Air Force Office of Special Investigation or something like that? 468 00:24:30,399 --> 00:24:32,781 Uh, or are you dealing with, 469 00:24:32,816 --> 00:24:34,231 I mean, really, the implication is, 470 00:24:34,265 --> 00:24:37,337 are you dealing with non-humans posing as human beings 471 00:24:37,372 --> 00:24:38,856 for their own purposes? 472 00:24:38,891 --> 00:24:40,375 And that's always been the tension. 473 00:24:40,409 --> 00:24:42,446 As witnesses continue to come forward 474 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:43,999 with their experiences, 475 00:24:44,034 --> 00:24:45,829 it is believed that the Men In Black 476 00:24:45,863 --> 00:24:49,936 shifted their approach to publicly debunking those claims through proxy. 477 00:24:49,971 --> 00:24:51,835 Credible reports of abductions 478 00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:54,044 circulated throughout the UFO community 479 00:24:54,078 --> 00:24:57,530 and was met with heavy skepticism by debunkers. 480 00:24:57,565 --> 00:25:00,637 He got his start as a debunker in the mid-1960s 481 00:25:00,671 --> 00:25:03,398 with the idea of ball lightning to explain away 482 00:25:03,432 --> 00:25:06,228 one particular interesting UFO event. 483 00:25:06,263 --> 00:25:08,714 Uh, through the '60s made it his personal vendetta 484 00:25:08,748 --> 00:25:10,474 to destroy the career of James McDonald, 485 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:11,544 the atmospheric physicist, 486 00:25:11,579 --> 00:25:14,478 who was a very, very strong UFO proponent. 487 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:17,723 And then, by the 1970s Klass really was hitting the big time 488 00:25:17,757 --> 00:25:19,345 in terms of media attention 489 00:25:19,379 --> 00:25:22,624 and in terms of his prominence as a UFO skeptic. 490 00:25:22,659 --> 00:25:23,936 Certainly, by the 1970s, 491 00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:26,766 Philip Klass had become the number one 492 00:25:26,801 --> 00:25:29,493 active UFO skeptic by far. 493 00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,426 Credible reports of abductions 494 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,497 circulated throughout the UFO community 495 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:36,811 and was met with heavy skepticism by debunkers. 496 00:25:36,845 --> 00:25:39,330 Are you a debunker of all UFO stories? 497 00:25:39,365 --> 00:25:43,369 -Is that your purpose? -Well, I look for explanations. 498 00:25:43,403 --> 00:25:45,992 Now, you know, you can look at 499 00:25:46,027 --> 00:25:48,132 probably the most prominent skeptic 500 00:25:48,167 --> 00:25:50,203 of UFOs during the 19... 501 00:25:50,238 --> 00:25:52,033 Starting from the mid-'60s, 502 00:25:52,067 --> 00:25:54,656 right through the rest of the 20th century, 503 00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:56,762 was a man named Philip J. Klass. 504 00:25:56,796 --> 00:25:58,936 Yeah. Now Klass 505 00:25:59,765 --> 00:26:02,388 wasn't a true Man In Black, 506 00:26:02,422 --> 00:26:05,218 uh, the way that previous Men In Black were described, 507 00:26:05,253 --> 00:26:07,566 you know, coming in your house and threatening you. 508 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,498 Klass worked in a different way. 509 00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:13,606 Uh, he engaged in countless smear campaigns through the media 510 00:26:13,641 --> 00:26:17,576 to discredit individuals associated with UFOs, most famously 511 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,233 the atmospheric physicist James McDonald, 512 00:26:20,268 --> 00:26:22,960 who is really a hero in the UFO field, 513 00:26:22,995 --> 00:26:24,513 and rightly so. 514 00:26:24,548 --> 00:26:27,896 Klass went after McDonald's like a... Like a war. 515 00:26:27,931 --> 00:26:29,691 A personal vendetta. 516 00:26:29,726 --> 00:26:33,039 Klass was someone who was so well positioned 517 00:26:33,074 --> 00:26:34,765 through his contacts in Washington, D.C. 518 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,835 where he lived and worked. 519 00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:39,563 He was a senior editor for a very prominent 520 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,634 aerospace aviation magazine, 521 00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:43,878 and he was very well connected. 522 00:26:45,086 --> 00:26:48,020 Uh, Klass always seemed to have 523 00:26:48,054 --> 00:26:51,023 information on people. 524 00:26:51,057 --> 00:26:54,405 He had this way, and this went throughout his entire career. 525 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960 But there is no more exciting story that I could write 526 00:26:56,994 --> 00:26:58,651 or Aviation Week could publish 527 00:26:58,686 --> 00:27:00,066 than to say, "At last 528 00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:03,829 "we've come across one UFO report 529 00:27:03,863 --> 00:27:06,383 "that cannot be explained in prosaic terms. 530 00:27:06,417 --> 00:27:08,765 "Maybe this is an alien spaceship." 531 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:10,836 Biggest story of all time. 532 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:13,666 Yet in more than 22 years as a hobby 533 00:27:13,701 --> 00:27:18,326 of investigating famous mysterious UFO cases, reports, 534 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,295 I have never found one that cannot be explained 535 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:23,883 in prosaic earthly terms. 536 00:27:23,918 --> 00:27:26,161 He once tried to bribe 537 00:27:26,196 --> 00:27:29,233 one of Travis Walton's, uh, coworkers. 538 00:27:29,268 --> 00:27:34,238 You know, Travis Walton had the very famous UFO encounter in 1975 539 00:27:34,273 --> 00:27:36,724 where he was missing for five days. 540 00:27:36,758 --> 00:27:39,554 Klass actually tried to bribe 541 00:27:39,588 --> 00:27:42,868 uh, one of Walton's cohorts 542 00:27:42,902 --> 00:27:44,386 to deny the whole thing ever happened. 543 00:27:44,421 --> 00:27:45,698 He offered him $10,000. 544 00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:48,874 This is how Klass worked constantly. 545 00:27:48,908 --> 00:27:50,358 You know, it's like Philip Klass 546 00:27:50,392 --> 00:27:52,222 offered me $10,000. 547 00:27:52,256 --> 00:27:55,328 That was a lot of money back in the '70s. 548 00:27:55,363 --> 00:27:58,504 And there's always been very, very strong suspicion. 549 00:27:58,538 --> 00:28:00,368 No proof that I'm aware of, 550 00:28:00,402 --> 00:28:02,128 but very strong circumstantial evidence 551 00:28:02,163 --> 00:28:03,543 that Klass was some kind of asset 552 00:28:03,578 --> 00:28:05,580 to the US intelligence community 553 00:28:05,614 --> 00:28:08,134 doing work for them to discredit him on the subject. 554 00:28:08,169 --> 00:28:10,999 He definitely was promoted by Edward Condon 555 00:28:11,034 --> 00:28:15,486 of the famous Condon Committee from the late 1960s 556 00:28:15,521 --> 00:28:21,113 that, um, infamously try to debunk UFOs scientifically. 557 00:28:21,147 --> 00:28:24,772 Our latest book, Stanton Friedman and I 558 00:28:24,806 --> 00:28:28,189 have written Fact, Fiction, and Flying Saucers. 559 00:28:28,223 --> 00:28:31,433 It's based upon years of archival research. 560 00:28:31,468 --> 00:28:33,056 He went to Harvard, 561 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,990 read Donald Menzel's archival files. 562 00:28:36,024 --> 00:28:38,820 I went to the American Philosophical Society. 563 00:28:38,855 --> 00:28:41,029 I made several trips there, 564 00:28:41,064 --> 00:28:44,723 and what I found in the correspondence files 565 00:28:44,757 --> 00:28:48,485 was a plan to debunk those individuals 566 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,660 who had very compelling cases 567 00:28:51,695 --> 00:28:58,115 and also to attempt to reduce the credibility of scientists 568 00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:02,223 who had an interest in investigating UFOs 569 00:29:02,257 --> 00:29:04,915 and who were speaking publicly about that. 570 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:09,886 I have a letter that Dr. Edward Condon wrote to McGraw Hill. 571 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,612 And in that letter, Edward Condon stated, 572 00:29:12,647 --> 00:29:16,099 "If you need anyone in the media 573 00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:19,309 "to make public statements about UFOs, 574 00:29:19,343 --> 00:29:23,382 "I would advise you to use Philip Klass." 575 00:29:23,416 --> 00:29:29,457 Condon certainly worked hard to try to promote Philip Klass 576 00:29:29,491 --> 00:29:33,392 as much as possible, as someone who would be relied upon 577 00:29:33,426 --> 00:29:36,015 to give the proper perspective on UFOs. 578 00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:38,880 That is the skeptical, debunking attitude on UFOs, 579 00:29:38,915 --> 00:29:40,088 uh, through the media. 580 00:29:40,123 --> 00:29:42,297 Klass is someone who was able to get New York Times, 581 00:29:42,332 --> 00:29:44,817 op-ed pieces and articles like no problem. 582 00:29:44,852 --> 00:29:47,578 He was on CNN all the time, Larry King. 583 00:29:47,613 --> 00:29:51,790 He was always able to get access to major media 584 00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:53,999 in a way that normal UFO researchers 585 00:29:54,033 --> 00:29:56,415 would have just, you know, given up an arm 586 00:29:56,449 --> 00:29:57,692 to be able to have, 587 00:29:57,726 --> 00:29:59,798 but Klass just had this magical ability 588 00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:01,869 to connect with all major media. 589 00:30:01,903 --> 00:30:04,043 And you could certainly say 590 00:30:04,078 --> 00:30:09,083 that Klass is a new version of the Man In Black, 591 00:30:09,117 --> 00:30:11,533 not in any way like the mysterious, 592 00:30:11,568 --> 00:30:14,019 intimidating figures coming to your house. 593 00:30:14,053 --> 00:30:16,573 He would just smear you and try to destroy your career. 594 00:30:16,607 --> 00:30:20,680 What was was recovered was a radar target. 595 00:30:20,715 --> 00:30:21,716 -Balloon-borne. -No, no, no, no. 596 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:23,752 That is, that is the cover story that was put out. 597 00:30:23,787 --> 00:30:26,514 We know it was a cover story based on the testimony of the people 598 00:30:26,548 --> 00:30:27,791 who put out the cover story. 599 00:30:30,276 --> 00:30:31,553 Whatever happened at Westall, 600 00:30:31,588 --> 00:30:34,349 whatever the objects were, they were being tracked. 601 00:30:34,384 --> 00:30:36,593 They'd being tracked from where they were coming from. 602 00:30:36,627 --> 00:30:38,975 They'd been tracked over previous days, 603 00:30:39,009 --> 00:30:43,255 and there was some sense of there being, um, 604 00:30:43,289 --> 00:30:45,705 a surveillance going on of these objects. 605 00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:50,227 And that's why the response could be as fast as it was 606 00:30:50,262 --> 00:30:53,334 to the... To Westall. 607 00:30:53,368 --> 00:30:57,510 That's why the military could get there as quickly as they did that day, 608 00:30:57,545 --> 00:31:01,100 because there were some, if you like, forewarning 609 00:31:01,135 --> 00:31:03,931 that perhaps these objects had been seen elsewhere in Australia 610 00:31:03,965 --> 00:31:05,933 in the preceding days. 611 00:31:05,967 --> 00:31:10,454 Certainly we have the famous photograph of a UFO 612 00:31:10,489 --> 00:31:13,526 taken in a suburb of Balwyn 613 00:31:13,561 --> 00:31:16,426 about 20 kilometers from Westall 614 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:19,981 just four days before the Westall incident. 615 00:31:20,016 --> 00:31:24,952 And that photograph was leaked to a Melbourne newspaper, 616 00:31:24,986 --> 00:31:26,954 The Herald, and published 617 00:31:26,988 --> 00:31:29,646 and caused a huge furor at the time, 618 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,546 so much so that the person who took the photograph itself, 619 00:31:33,581 --> 00:31:35,583 even though he didn't want it published in the newspaper, 620 00:31:35,617 --> 00:31:37,205 he gave it to a friend who leaked it. 621 00:31:38,103 --> 00:31:40,243 He never wanted it made public, 622 00:31:40,277 --> 00:31:41,623 but it was 623 00:31:41,658 --> 00:31:44,074 and it then resulted in 624 00:31:44,109 --> 00:31:47,388 the Air Force visiting him at his home. 625 00:31:47,422 --> 00:31:49,942 An interview was held with him. 626 00:31:49,977 --> 00:31:53,290 And he claims to this day that he thinks the Air Force 627 00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:57,777 was so concerned about that photograph going into the newspaper 628 00:31:57,812 --> 00:32:00,677 was because it showed the object 629 00:32:00,711 --> 00:32:03,680 that was seen at Westall four days later, 630 00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:07,063 or there was some connection with whatever that object was 631 00:32:07,097 --> 00:32:09,651 that he caught in his polaroid photograph 632 00:32:09,686 --> 00:32:11,791 and with what happened at Westall. 633 00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:14,967 So that's an ongoing mystery. 634 00:32:15,002 --> 00:32:17,521 How could it be that an object, 635 00:32:17,556 --> 00:32:19,213 an object of unknown origin, 636 00:32:19,247 --> 00:32:21,111 an object that flew in ways 637 00:32:21,146 --> 00:32:25,046 that were completely inexplicable to anybody who witnessed it, 638 00:32:25,081 --> 00:32:27,600 how there could be such a rapid response 639 00:32:27,635 --> 00:32:31,259 by the military, whether it was the Army or the Air Force. 640 00:32:31,294 --> 00:32:34,504 There's another very interesting case in Australia 641 00:32:34,538 --> 00:32:35,919 outside of the city of Melbourne, 642 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,163 in the south part of Australian in a town called Westall. 643 00:32:38,991 --> 00:32:40,717 And this is 1966. 644 00:32:40,751 --> 00:32:43,168 This is a really incredible UFO incident. 645 00:32:43,202 --> 00:32:48,035 I had the privilege of visiting Westall myself some years ago 646 00:32:48,069 --> 00:32:51,555 and going to the school yard where all of this happened 647 00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:56,146 and the story was, you have, uh, 648 00:32:56,181 --> 00:32:58,459 all the kids run out of the school 649 00:32:58,493 --> 00:33:05,293 because someone saw this UFO coming over the property there. 650 00:33:05,328 --> 00:33:08,538 So you got 200 kids of all ages and teachers. 651 00:33:08,572 --> 00:33:12,714 There were adults and youths that were watching this. 652 00:33:12,749 --> 00:33:16,373 The object, by all of the witness accounts, 653 00:33:16,408 --> 00:33:19,859 either landed or almost landed 654 00:33:19,894 --> 00:33:22,897 on the property, like, very, very low. 655 00:33:23,518 --> 00:33:26,659 In fact, one girl, 656 00:33:26,694 --> 00:33:31,423 she was like in junior high school age, think she was like 12 or 13. 657 00:33:31,457 --> 00:33:34,874 She got the closest to it, and according to the witnesses, 658 00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:36,773 like she was not ever seen again. 659 00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:39,120 She moved far away after this. 660 00:33:39,948 --> 00:33:41,398 That's an odd thing. 661 00:33:41,433 --> 00:33:44,367 But what we know for certain, 662 00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:46,645 there was a science teacher named Daniel 663 00:33:47,922 --> 00:33:52,168 who stated that these, look like Australian Air Force, 664 00:33:52,202 --> 00:33:54,066 came to his house, 665 00:33:54,101 --> 00:33:56,068 and they're two of them, 666 00:33:56,103 --> 00:34:00,141 and they absolutely threatened his career 667 00:34:00,176 --> 00:34:02,488 and possibly his freedom 668 00:34:02,523 --> 00:34:05,629 if he was to continue talking about this event. 669 00:34:05,664 --> 00:34:08,529 They made it clear in no uncertain terms. 670 00:34:08,563 --> 00:34:10,082 "You're not going to talk about this 671 00:34:10,117 --> 00:34:11,842 "or you'll have some serious repercussions." 672 00:34:11,877 --> 00:34:14,638 I remember, the military arrived, 673 00:34:14,673 --> 00:34:16,537 the emergency services arrived. 674 00:34:16,571 --> 00:34:19,816 There was a response by police, the fire brigade 675 00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:22,888 by the Civil Defence Organization. 676 00:34:22,922 --> 00:34:25,649 There was a response by the Commonwealth Police. 677 00:34:25,684 --> 00:34:30,413 There is a report from a witness who was a news stringer at the time 678 00:34:30,447 --> 00:34:34,313 that a cordon was thrown up around the streets of Westall, 679 00:34:34,348 --> 00:34:39,215 by, uh, police officers in uniforms 680 00:34:39,249 --> 00:34:41,251 that were a little unknown to him 681 00:34:41,286 --> 00:34:43,840 using vehicles that were a little unknown to him, 682 00:34:43,874 --> 00:34:47,809 but they looked like police officers and police vehicles. 683 00:34:47,844 --> 00:34:50,812 And when he returned to the TV station later that day, 684 00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:54,437 he was informed that, yes, they were Commonwealth police officers, 685 00:34:54,471 --> 00:34:56,577 not Victorian state police officers, 686 00:34:56,611 --> 00:34:59,097 the Commonwealth police officers. 687 00:34:59,131 --> 00:35:02,790 So it looked like there was some involvement at that level as well. 688 00:35:19,738 --> 00:35:22,879 Japan Airlines Flight 1628 689 00:35:22,913 --> 00:35:26,124 en route to Tokyo from Paris when the crew noticed 690 00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:29,886 two UFOs with flowing lights, which flew next to the plane 691 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,682 in patterns and speeds which were unachievable 692 00:35:32,716 --> 00:35:34,822 with modern aviation. 693 00:35:34,856 --> 00:35:39,309 Controller had asked the military man, "Do you see anything?" 694 00:35:39,344 --> 00:35:41,656 The military guy says, "Yes, I have a target 695 00:35:41,691 --> 00:35:44,176 "at such and such." One o'clock and eight miles 696 00:35:44,211 --> 00:35:47,490 from the Japanese pilot, 747. 697 00:35:47,524 --> 00:35:51,010 The military man said something like, uh, 698 00:35:51,045 --> 00:35:56,257 "Yeah, I see him 35 miles north of, uh, Anchorage, 699 00:35:56,292 --> 00:36:01,469 "and who's that at eleven or one o'clock in his position?" 700 00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:05,404 The FAA controller said, uh, "I don't have anybody. You have anybody?" 701 00:36:05,439 --> 00:36:09,788 He said, "It's not mine." And he came back and said, "We have no traffic here." 702 00:36:09,822 --> 00:36:12,411 And a couple of times during the operation, 703 00:36:12,446 --> 00:36:14,172 the Japanese pilot would say 704 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:16,553 "He's now at eleven o'clock, he's now at one o'clock, he's now at three o'clock, 705 00:36:16,588 --> 00:36:19,038 "and he's bouncing around just right here," and... 706 00:36:19,073 --> 00:36:21,662 Well, he would say that the military guy would cut in and say, 707 00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:25,424 "He's now at two o'clock, three o'clock," and he would confirm the position. 708 00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:29,877 The military controller has what they call height finding radar 709 00:36:29,911 --> 00:36:32,535 and they have long-range radar and short-range radar. 710 00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:36,539 So, if they don't catch it on one of their systems, they catch it on the other. 711 00:36:36,573 --> 00:36:39,197 And if you listen to the military man 712 00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:44,512 at one time, he said, I have it on the height radar or my range radar, 713 00:36:44,547 --> 00:36:45,720 whatever he called it, 714 00:36:45,755 --> 00:36:48,965 which indicated that he had a target on his system. 715 00:36:49,966 --> 00:36:52,175 Ours wouldn't record it. 716 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:56,662 While they... They ran through for the best part of 31 minutes, 717 00:36:56,697 --> 00:36:58,906 the UFO would be in one position 718 00:36:58,940 --> 00:37:02,875 and the other following Japanese 747. 719 00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:06,085 After a while, uh, they changed his altitude. 720 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,329 It still stayed with him. They gave him a 360. 721 00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:10,676 When you're a 747 and you make a 360, 722 00:37:10,711 --> 00:37:12,575 it takes you a few minutes to turn around. 723 00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:14,335 You cover a lot of space. 724 00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:17,165 It still stayed with him. It was either in the front, or the side or behind him. 725 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,789 "...210, I approve 1628 to make deviations 726 00:37:19,823 --> 00:37:23,482 "as necessary for traffic. The traffic stayed with 1628 727 00:37:23,517 --> 00:37:27,348 "through turns and descents in the vicinity of Fairbanks." 728 00:37:27,383 --> 00:37:29,039 It's another very interesting... 729 00:37:29,074 --> 00:37:32,180 We can call this a Men In Black incident in a way. 730 00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:35,460 And by the way, relating to that encounter, 731 00:37:35,494 --> 00:37:36,944 good old Philip J. Klass, 732 00:37:36,978 --> 00:37:41,397 was able to work his way with his organization, which is called CSICOP, 733 00:37:41,431 --> 00:37:44,296 the Committee... Scientific Committee to Investigate Claims 734 00:37:44,331 --> 00:37:45,642 of the Paranormal. 735 00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:48,335 They have a different name now. 736 00:37:48,369 --> 00:37:51,441 And they were able to get a piece in The New York Times. 737 00:37:51,476 --> 00:37:53,961 You know, during all of that, to debunk the whole thing and say, 738 00:37:53,995 --> 00:37:55,825 "Well, it's just the planet Jupiter. 739 00:37:55,859 --> 00:37:58,828 "You guys don't know what you're seeing. You made a big mistake." 740 00:37:58,862 --> 00:38:02,349 But in 1986, we have an interesting occurrence. 741 00:38:02,383 --> 00:38:04,592 On November 17th of that year, there was a flight called 742 00:38:04,627 --> 00:38:07,802 JAL, Japan Airlines, Flight 1628 743 00:38:07,837 --> 00:38:11,461 from Tokyo, and they were going over the... 744 00:38:11,496 --> 00:38:14,637 Over like in the Arctic Circle area, actually, flying down 745 00:38:14,671 --> 00:38:16,397 over the state of Alaska, 746 00:38:16,432 --> 00:38:20,090 when this entire 29-minute recorded incident occurred 747 00:38:21,022 --> 00:38:26,234 in which this airliner was accosted 748 00:38:26,269 --> 00:38:31,723 by an enormous, absolutely enormous object. 749 00:38:31,757 --> 00:38:34,933 That, uh, there's drawings of it by the pilot, 750 00:38:34,967 --> 00:38:38,074 whose name was, uh, Kenju Terauchi. 751 00:38:38,108 --> 00:38:42,665 And uh, it's almost like this massive, like the planet Saturn 752 00:38:42,699 --> 00:38:45,944 it's like this big, big, roundish object. 753 00:38:45,978 --> 00:38:49,085 They're watching and they're scared out of their mind, 754 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,570 and they've got it on their airborne radar. 755 00:38:51,605 --> 00:38:55,125 It's... Ground radar also is tracking this thing. 756 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,060 And, uh, as I recall, at least one other airliner in the area, 757 00:38:59,095 --> 00:39:01,062 saw this thing visually. 758 00:39:01,097 --> 00:39:04,065 There is lots of data points here. 759 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,276 What's interesting about this case is that they're flying side by side, 760 00:39:08,311 --> 00:39:11,314 this gigantic object, and it releases a smaller object. 761 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:12,867 Or at least I think it must release it 762 00:39:12,902 --> 00:39:16,457 because the smaller object gets in front of their cockpit. 763 00:39:16,492 --> 00:39:18,977 And in fact, it's... It's two of them... 764 00:39:19,978 --> 00:39:21,945 where this... 765 00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:25,501 The cockpit is bathed in this green light for a while. 766 00:39:25,535 --> 00:39:28,331 But as they're flying, these objects are pacing them. 767 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:29,919 Like they're in front of the cockpit. 768 00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:32,404 With maneuverability that's... 769 00:39:32,439 --> 00:39:35,856 Like, there's no way to explain how these objects 770 00:39:35,890 --> 00:39:38,755 could do the things that they're doing. 771 00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:41,758 Uh, they eventually depart. You can imagine the fear. 772 00:39:41,793 --> 00:39:44,589 So, Terauchi is getting permission 773 00:39:44,623 --> 00:39:47,212 to try to move his aircraft differently 774 00:39:47,246 --> 00:39:49,317 just to get away from this thing. 775 00:39:49,352 --> 00:39:53,321 And the entire experience lasted for 29 minutes. 776 00:39:53,356 --> 00:39:55,151 In terms of the actual observation. 777 00:39:55,634 --> 00:39:57,395 The next day, 778 00:39:57,429 --> 00:40:01,571 I get a call from someone with the scientific study group 779 00:40:01,606 --> 00:40:04,367 or the CIA, I'm not sure who was it the first time. 780 00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,196 And they want to know, uh... 781 00:40:06,231 --> 00:40:08,751 They had some questions about the incident, 782 00:40:09,959 --> 00:40:11,926 and I had said, "I don't know what you're talking about. 783 00:40:11,961 --> 00:40:14,204 "You'd probably want to call the Admiral." 784 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,448 Few minutes later, the Admiral calls down and says, 785 00:40:16,483 --> 00:40:18,036 "I set up a... 786 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,797 "A briefing tomorrow morning at nine or ten o'clock," whatever it was. 787 00:40:20,832 --> 00:40:22,212 "In the round room, 788 00:40:22,247 --> 00:40:25,526 "bring all the stuff you have, bring everybody up there 789 00:40:25,561 --> 00:40:28,011 "and give them whatever they want." 790 00:40:28,046 --> 00:40:30,358 So that's interesting enough. In the aftermath of that, 791 00:40:30,393 --> 00:40:33,534 there was an FAA, Federal Aviation Administration meeting, 792 00:40:33,569 --> 00:40:36,537 where they are discussing this, they've got all the radar data. 793 00:40:36,572 --> 00:40:38,539 In this meeting, 794 00:40:38,574 --> 00:40:40,541 this is now according to one of the men who attended, 795 00:40:40,576 --> 00:40:43,233 his name is John Callahan. He was an FAA, 796 00:40:43,268 --> 00:40:46,444 a senior official with the Federal Aviation Administration. 797 00:40:47,514 --> 00:40:49,447 And so what happened, according to Callahan's 798 00:40:49,481 --> 00:40:52,139 very vivid, explicit testimony, 799 00:40:53,658 --> 00:40:56,315 was that at one point, these two men 800 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,628 in dark suits enter the room. 801 00:40:58,663 --> 00:41:00,665 No one knows where they're from. 802 00:41:00,699 --> 00:41:02,908 Is it assumed that they're from CIA? 803 00:41:02,943 --> 00:41:06,671 I don't think that's ever made clear where these guys are from, 804 00:41:06,705 --> 00:41:09,674 but there they come in and they confiscate 805 00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:12,297 all of the data. 806 00:41:13,056 --> 00:41:15,162 They are warning everyone, 807 00:41:15,196 --> 00:41:19,442 "You are never, ever, ever going to talk about this ever again. 808 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:20,995 "We're taking all of your evidence." 809 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:22,859 Callahan kept his copy. 810 00:41:22,894 --> 00:41:24,723 That was the thing. He didn't give it up. 811 00:41:24,758 --> 00:41:26,829 He didn't let them know, they didn't ask. 812 00:41:26,863 --> 00:41:29,728 I don't think they asked him directly for it. 813 00:41:29,763 --> 00:41:31,627 And he just kind of slid below the radar, 814 00:41:31,661 --> 00:41:33,387 as it were in this meeting, 815 00:41:33,421 --> 00:41:36,804 and left with it with his copy of the radar data. 816 00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:41,671 And it was, uh, 13 years later, I think, 817 00:41:41,706 --> 00:41:43,086 from... In the late '90s, 818 00:41:43,121 --> 00:41:45,399 where he is interviewed by Steven Greer 819 00:41:45,433 --> 00:41:47,712 of the disclosure project at that time 820 00:41:47,746 --> 00:41:49,507 and told his story. 821 00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:51,647 Uh, and so, what you've got here 822 00:41:51,681 --> 00:41:53,372 is another incident of... 823 00:41:53,407 --> 00:41:55,029 Very clear this is... 824 00:41:55,064 --> 00:41:57,066 This is not a paranormal Men In Black experience 825 00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,620 by any means. This is... These are government guys. 826 00:41:59,655 --> 00:42:03,072 These are spooks who are confiscating the evidence. 827 00:42:03,106 --> 00:42:04,522 Now, who are they? 828 00:42:04,556 --> 00:42:07,525 Are they CIA? Are they NSA? Are they something else? 829 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:11,874 Are they from the Majestic 12, or whatever, whatever, 830 00:42:11,908 --> 00:42:15,118 you know, comparable organization it would be to Majestic 12. 831 00:42:15,153 --> 00:42:18,846 Maybe it's called Zodiac. That's a very possible... That's a big possibility. 832 00:42:19,882 --> 00:42:21,849 But they're from a group 833 00:42:21,884 --> 00:42:25,784 that their job was to take that UFO data. 834 00:42:25,819 --> 00:42:27,441 And Callahan is really worth listening to. 835 00:42:27,475 --> 00:42:30,444 He's a very... He's a very upfront, 836 00:42:30,478 --> 00:42:32,584 extremely candid, very articulate, 837 00:42:32,619 --> 00:42:34,413 very smart man. 838 00:42:34,448 --> 00:42:36,450 And he's got the credibility 839 00:42:36,484 --> 00:42:39,798 and the background to back up what he said. 840 00:42:39,833 --> 00:42:41,800 That's the thing that makes him so compelling. 841 00:42:43,802 --> 00:42:46,667 When they read the reports that come through, 842 00:42:46,702 --> 00:42:48,635 the FAA has to protect themselves. 843 00:42:48,669 --> 00:42:51,154 You can't say, you saw a target, 844 00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:52,604 even though this is what he said, 845 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,469 so they made him change his report 846 00:42:55,503 --> 00:42:56,781 to position symbols, 847 00:42:56,815 --> 00:43:00,129 which makes it sound like it wasn't really a target. 848 00:43:00,163 --> 00:43:03,063 Well, if that's not a target than a lot of the other position symbols 849 00:43:03,097 --> 00:43:05,237 that we're separating from our targets either. 850 00:43:05,272 --> 00:43:07,930 When I read that, I thought that is something fishy here, 851 00:43:07,964 --> 00:43:10,933 that somebody's worried about something rather than trying to cover up. 852 00:43:12,141 --> 00:43:14,626 Who did the Men In Black work for? 853 00:43:14,661 --> 00:43:20,563 CIA, the FBI, the NSA, something else entirely? 854 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,911 Even in the military, the Men In Black are a mystery. 855 00:43:23,946 --> 00:43:26,569 Over the years, encounters with Men In Black 856 00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:29,261 have decreased as their legend has grown 857 00:43:29,296 --> 00:43:31,229 even into pop culture. 858 00:43:31,263 --> 00:43:33,265 No longer are you interrogated 859 00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:35,336 and threatened by a government spook 860 00:43:35,371 --> 00:43:40,065 or a nameless agent from an unknown cabal of organizations. 861 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:43,897 As proxies continue debunking and smearing credible witnesses, 862 00:43:43,931 --> 00:43:46,313 the Men In Black have evolved their technique 863 00:43:46,347 --> 00:43:49,661 to control the narrative through misinformation. 864 00:43:49,696 --> 00:43:52,008 Literally, fake news. 865 00:43:52,043 --> 00:43:56,047 Take Richard Doty, former special agent of the Air Force, 866 00:43:56,081 --> 00:43:59,222 who was tasked with infiltrating the UFO community 867 00:43:59,257 --> 00:44:03,330 to instill doubt and misinformation of UFO encounters. 868 00:44:03,364 --> 00:44:07,161 Men In Black have always been present in the UFO community 869 00:44:07,196 --> 00:44:10,061 since back in the '50s and '60s, 870 00:44:10,095 --> 00:44:12,373 and if the sighting 871 00:44:12,408 --> 00:44:17,758 or a report of a sighting or acquisition of photographs 872 00:44:17,793 --> 00:44:19,726 were important to the government, 873 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,213 the UF... The MIB, Men In Black would show up 874 00:44:24,247 --> 00:44:28,666 trying to obtain what information these witnesses had 875 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,255 regarding the sighting or the acquisition of photographs. 876 00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:34,119 If they took some photographs, 877 00:44:34,154 --> 00:44:38,123 uh, the MIB would show up, trying to get those photographs. 878 00:44:39,469 --> 00:44:43,957 Ever since the '50s, people started to see, uh... 879 00:44:43,991 --> 00:44:45,959 Started seeing flying objects, 880 00:44:45,993 --> 00:44:47,995 reporting flying objects. 881 00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:52,482 Um, depending on the accuracy and the credibility 882 00:44:52,517 --> 00:44:55,693 of the people that observe these objects. 883 00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:59,455 Uh, and depending on what the government knew about, 884 00:44:59,489 --> 00:45:01,560 what those sightings were, 885 00:45:01,595 --> 00:45:05,392 uh, it would be dependent on whether the government went out 886 00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:10,604 and got the information or tried to quiet the people, 887 00:45:10,638 --> 00:45:12,399 the witnesses that saw it. 888 00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:15,126 Uh, so... But... But it's happened. 889 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,992 It's real, it's a controversial subject matter 890 00:45:19,026 --> 00:45:22,512 both within the public and within the government. 891 00:45:22,547 --> 00:45:25,067 But, um, my knowledge is I've worked... 892 00:45:25,101 --> 00:45:28,311 I've actually been involved in the Men In Black, 893 00:45:28,346 --> 00:45:30,141 and we didn't call it Men In Black, 894 00:45:30,175 --> 00:45:33,316 but there were people within a certain agency 895 00:45:33,351 --> 00:45:34,732 within the government. 896 00:45:34,766 --> 00:45:38,701 Um, the Air Force Special Activities Center. 897 00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:41,808 Uh, they're the ones that control these Men In Black. 898 00:45:41,842 --> 00:45:47,054 It was a unit stationed at Fort Belvoir, uh, Virginia, 899 00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:52,439 that dealt with uh, obtaining information from witnesses. 900 00:45:52,991 --> 00:45:55,545 Uh, but I've... 901 00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:57,858 The controversy, of course, centers around 902 00:45:57,893 --> 00:45:59,895 how these Men In Black, 903 00:45:59,929 --> 00:46:02,725 number one, who they were? Number two, 904 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,935 how they obtained the information from witnesses? 905 00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:09,421 And number three, what they... Where that information went 906 00:46:09,456 --> 00:46:12,770 after they... After the Men In Black got the information? 907 00:46:12,804 --> 00:46:16,497 Now, these... These Men In Black, as you call them, 908 00:46:16,532 --> 00:46:19,673 uh, that are prominent within the UFO community 909 00:46:19,707 --> 00:46:21,779 are... They have a mission. 910 00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:23,988 They're assigned to an intelligence unit. 911 00:46:24,022 --> 00:46:27,232 Uh, they're given a mission to go out and interview these witnesses 912 00:46:27,267 --> 00:46:30,373 that saw this, or that already reported 913 00:46:30,408 --> 00:46:35,033 a sighting or collection of data, pictures, so forth. 914 00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:36,828 Evidence. 915 00:46:36,863 --> 00:46:39,072 And so they're out there on a mission. 916 00:46:39,106 --> 00:46:42,454 Now, how they operate that from that point on 917 00:46:42,489 --> 00:46:44,802 uh, is really up to them. 918 00:46:44,836 --> 00:46:48,150 How are they gonna get that information? If you're the... 919 00:46:48,184 --> 00:46:52,533 If you're the witness and uh, we've tried 920 00:46:54,121 --> 00:46:57,055 officially, where two Air Force officers 921 00:46:57,090 --> 00:46:58,574 come to you in uniform, 922 00:46:58,608 --> 00:47:01,404 not the Men In Black, but in uniform, 923 00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:02,854 come to you and say, 924 00:47:02,889 --> 00:47:05,339 "Hi, we're from the United States Air Force. 925 00:47:05,374 --> 00:47:08,687 "And I understand you have pictures of something 926 00:47:08,722 --> 00:47:11,311 "that you saw last week 927 00:47:11,345 --> 00:47:14,555 "and we would like to see them because we think that... 928 00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:16,557 "Those pictures 929 00:47:16,592 --> 00:47:19,353 "could be of a classified project. 930 00:47:19,388 --> 00:47:22,253 "So we would... We would like you 931 00:47:22,287 --> 00:47:24,531 "to show them to us." 932 00:47:24,565 --> 00:47:27,085 Well, if you say, "They're my pictures, I took them. 933 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,500 "I don't have anything. You're military. 934 00:47:28,535 --> 00:47:31,331 "You have no jurisdiction over me. 935 00:47:31,365 --> 00:47:34,506 "No, bye." And so, the Air Force officers leave. 936 00:47:34,541 --> 00:47:37,130 The next day or two days or three days later, 937 00:47:37,164 --> 00:47:38,925 you're visited by two other men. 938 00:47:38,959 --> 00:47:40,788 "I'm U.S. Government" credentials. 939 00:47:40,823 --> 00:47:41,962 "And I... 940 00:47:41,997 --> 00:47:45,379 "And you took pictures of a classified aircraft 941 00:47:45,414 --> 00:47:47,312 "yesterday or whenever, 942 00:47:47,347 --> 00:47:49,970 "and we need to look at those pictures. 943 00:47:50,005 --> 00:47:51,696 "And you only have one way of doing this. 944 00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:53,284 "You have to turn them over to us 945 00:47:53,318 --> 00:47:55,527 "or we're gonna go to the court of law." 946 00:47:55,562 --> 00:47:57,046 or some other threat. 947 00:47:58,185 --> 00:48:03,708 So, those are the type of operations that I've seen. 948 00:48:03,742 --> 00:48:05,779 Uh, been involved with. 949 00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:10,163 Um, whether they eventually turn it over. 950 00:48:10,197 --> 00:48:12,268 If they don't, there's other means 951 00:48:12,303 --> 00:48:14,029 that they can... They can use. 952 00:48:14,063 --> 00:48:17,204 But there's other ways. A surreptitious entry into your home. 953 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,139 You come home one night from the movies, or going out for dinner 954 00:48:21,174 --> 00:48:23,762 and you come home and you find, 955 00:48:23,797 --> 00:48:27,939 your house to be perfectly the way that you left it, 956 00:48:27,974 --> 00:48:30,631 except that where those pictures were stored, 957 00:48:30,666 --> 00:48:32,357 the pictures are gone. 958 00:48:32,392 --> 00:48:34,566 Or the opposite will happen. 959 00:48:34,601 --> 00:48:37,190 You come home, the window will be broken, 960 00:48:37,224 --> 00:48:39,157 "We had a burglar. 961 00:48:39,192 --> 00:48:42,954 "And they stole this, they stole my television 962 00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:46,061 "they stole this. Oh, and also stole those pictures." 963 00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:50,030 Now it looks like a burglar. 964 00:48:50,065 --> 00:48:52,860 So you call the local police, you tell local police. 965 00:48:52,895 --> 00:48:55,794 And the local police, is going to say, "Well, so you had pictures taken, 966 00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:57,313 "you know, there's nothing we can do about that." 967 00:49:14,123 --> 00:49:16,781 Paul Bennewitz, was a successful entrepreneur 968 00:49:16,815 --> 00:49:20,233 and scientist who lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 969 00:49:20,267 --> 00:49:23,857 There, he unintentionally stumbled into radio transmissions 970 00:49:23,891 --> 00:49:27,895 from a secret military base just beyond the border of his city. 971 00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:31,623 Later, this base would become known as Dulce Base. 972 00:49:31,658 --> 00:49:35,558 Bennewitz was then contacted and influenced by Richard Doty. 973 00:49:35,593 --> 00:49:38,078 Little did he know he would become a victim 974 00:49:38,113 --> 00:49:40,632 of a mass misinformation campaign 975 00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:42,462 that would end in tragedy. 976 00:49:44,015 --> 00:49:48,330 Now, there is one person who has called himself 977 00:49:48,364 --> 00:49:51,781 a Man In Black, who's very well known 978 00:49:51,816 --> 00:49:54,474 in the UFO community and that is Richard Doty. 979 00:49:54,508 --> 00:49:59,237 And Richard Doty, was a member of the Air Force Office 980 00:49:59,272 --> 00:50:02,861 of Special Investigation, AFOSI. 981 00:50:02,896 --> 00:50:06,658 It's like the Air Force's, their version of the CIA, 982 00:50:06,693 --> 00:50:08,384 you can say, their intelligence agency. 983 00:50:08,419 --> 00:50:14,080 Part of his job was to protect U.S. Air Force technology, 984 00:50:14,114 --> 00:50:16,116 secrets, and things like this. 985 00:50:16,151 --> 00:50:20,258 And one of the things that the Air Force would do 986 00:50:20,293 --> 00:50:23,606 to protect those secrets is... 987 00:50:23,641 --> 00:50:27,058 Like, there's one instance that I know Doty has talked about 988 00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:30,027 in which there is a crash of a... 989 00:50:31,407 --> 00:50:33,720 A secret experimental aircraft, 990 00:50:33,754 --> 00:50:36,792 and witnesses actually had photographed it. 991 00:50:36,826 --> 00:50:40,589 And you have a situation of AFOSI going to meet 992 00:50:40,623 --> 00:50:42,936 with these witnesses or this witness, 993 00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:44,765 and to say, "Look, this is a UFO," 994 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,595 or let... Let them believe it was a UFO 995 00:50:46,629 --> 00:50:48,252 and confiscate the images. 996 00:50:48,286 --> 00:50:49,667 Rather than let them know, 997 00:50:49,701 --> 00:50:51,807 "Yeah, you actually photographed something that we're building 998 00:50:51,841 --> 00:50:53,809 "that we don't want anyone to know about." 999 00:50:53,843 --> 00:50:55,673 "Don't you think it's a UFO? 1000 00:50:55,707 --> 00:50:58,710 "Did you ever see a craft operated like that?" 1001 00:50:58,745 --> 00:51:02,093 You just have to put that idea in your minds, 1002 00:51:02,128 --> 00:51:05,786 And I go back to the Paul Bennewitz, uh, case... 1003 00:51:05,821 --> 00:51:08,099 which I was intimately involved with. 1004 00:51:08,134 --> 00:51:10,412 Um, Paul was already a believer 1005 00:51:10,446 --> 00:51:13,104 and what he was doing, he was taking pictures 1006 00:51:13,139 --> 00:51:17,108 of the U.S. Air Force highly classified drone projects. 1007 00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:19,490 The project was highly classified. 1008 00:51:20,215 --> 00:51:21,630 I went to Paul, 1009 00:51:21,664 --> 00:51:25,116 and Paul was already a believer, he was already a member of MUFON. 1010 00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:27,049 So it was very easy for him... 1011 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:29,603 For me, I said, "What do you think it is, Paul?" 1012 00:51:29,638 --> 00:51:32,192 He said, "I think it is UFO. I think it's alien craft." 1013 00:51:32,227 --> 00:51:34,056 I said, "You know what? 1014 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,402 "Could very well be." 1015 00:51:35,437 --> 00:51:37,887 That's all I had to say. 1016 00:51:37,922 --> 00:51:40,752 And Paul ran with it, and believed it. 1017 00:51:41,546 --> 00:51:43,134 And the rest is... Is history. 1018 00:51:43,169 --> 00:51:45,481 You know, you can believe this or not, 1019 00:51:45,516 --> 00:51:48,622 at least some of those things that witnesses photographed 1020 00:51:48,657 --> 00:51:51,832 were not ours, and they were not Russian. 1021 00:51:51,867 --> 00:51:54,214 So there were instances, according to him, 1022 00:51:54,249 --> 00:51:56,768 this is my understanding, in which... 1023 00:51:58,184 --> 00:52:00,979 There are objects that were not from here, but they... 1024 00:52:01,911 --> 00:52:03,534 wanted that information as well. 1025 00:52:03,568 --> 00:52:05,708 Now, again, is this true or not, who knows? 1026 00:52:05,743 --> 00:52:09,264 uh, we were able to... And this isn't classified anymore. 1027 00:52:09,298 --> 00:52:12,301 One of the things that Paul Bennewitz had also, uh, 1028 00:52:13,268 --> 00:52:17,513 kind of stumbled into by recording signals 1029 00:52:17,548 --> 00:52:20,102 was our ability to shoot a laser 1030 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:26,177 uh, at a ground based laser station up into space. 1031 00:52:26,212 --> 00:52:29,146 And as the Soviet satellite came over, 1032 00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:32,045 that laser would hit the lens 1033 00:52:32,942 --> 00:52:34,530 and blind the satellite 1034 00:52:34,565 --> 00:52:37,775 while it's going over a certain base preventing that 1035 00:52:37,809 --> 00:52:40,157 satellite to take pictures of the base. 1036 00:52:40,191 --> 00:52:42,469 Now, there was a satellite base, 1037 00:52:42,504 --> 00:52:45,162 Kirtland Air Force Base and one at Groom Lake. 1038 00:52:45,196 --> 00:52:47,302 There was actually two out at Groom Lake 1039 00:52:47,336 --> 00:52:50,615 and one at different locations. 1040 00:52:50,650 --> 00:52:52,341 And that's when every time 1041 00:52:52,376 --> 00:52:54,826 a Soviet satellite would come over, 1042 00:52:54,861 --> 00:52:57,346 they'd shoot that laser up and blind it. 1043 00:52:57,381 --> 00:53:00,487 So they wouldn't be able to take a picture of what was on the ground. 1044 00:53:00,522 --> 00:53:02,938 But here's what we know about Mr. Bennewitz. 1045 00:53:02,972 --> 00:53:04,388 He was a very smart, 1046 00:53:04,422 --> 00:53:07,494 capable defense contractor, lived in Albuquerque, 1047 00:53:07,529 --> 00:53:09,220 right by Kirtland Air Force Base 1048 00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:12,085 by the Manzano weapons storage facility, 1049 00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:13,776 which was very important. 1050 00:53:13,811 --> 00:53:16,986 And his office was right across from there, 1051 00:53:17,021 --> 00:53:20,680 and he witnessed things that were, he believed, 1052 00:53:20,714 --> 00:53:22,923 were very strange. We're talking, um... 1053 00:53:23,545 --> 00:53:25,202 1979, 1980. 1054 00:53:26,582 --> 00:53:29,309 And Bennewitz was a real patriot. 1055 00:53:30,724 --> 00:53:33,140 And he contacted the Air Force. 1056 00:53:33,175 --> 00:53:37,144 He said, "Look, I'm recording things over there that are... 1057 00:53:37,179 --> 00:53:40,631 "They... These are like UFOs." And he openly told them, 1058 00:53:40,665 --> 00:53:42,495 I think we're talking November 1980. 1059 00:53:43,875 --> 00:53:46,844 And this is when Doty gets alerted to this 1060 00:53:46,878 --> 00:53:48,949 and he is sent along with other individuals. 1061 00:53:48,984 --> 00:53:50,744 Doty's not the only one. They go to visit Bennewitz 1062 00:53:50,779 --> 00:53:52,332 to find out, like, "What does this guy have?" 1063 00:53:53,299 --> 00:53:56,440 And the reality, apparently, is that 1064 00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:59,443 Doty and Bennewitz became genuine friends. 1065 00:54:00,754 --> 00:54:04,586 Um, I mean, probably his job was to befriend Bennewitz, 1066 00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:07,589 but I... I do think that they actually ended up liking each other. 1067 00:54:07,623 --> 00:54:09,970 But Doty was working Bennewitz 1068 00:54:10,005 --> 00:54:14,354 and his job, absolutely, was to protect any secrets 1069 00:54:14,389 --> 00:54:17,495 that the folks over at Kirtland needed him to protect. 1070 00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:19,014 That was his job. 1071 00:54:19,048 --> 00:54:23,639 So, you know, according to how Doty has often told this story, 1072 00:54:24,744 --> 00:54:27,402 and I think this part we can say is true. 1073 00:54:27,436 --> 00:54:32,752 Bennewitz was a very, very strong UFO believer to start with. 1074 00:54:32,786 --> 00:54:35,410 And even before he was seeing things over by Kirtland, 1075 00:54:36,859 --> 00:54:40,587 um, he was involved in at least one, 1076 00:54:40,622 --> 00:54:42,934 let's call it an investigation 1077 00:54:42,969 --> 00:54:45,937 of a cattle mutilation incident and abduction, 1078 00:54:45,972 --> 00:54:48,733 uh, relating to a woman named Myrna Hansen, 1079 00:54:48,768 --> 00:54:51,529 who went through hypnotic regression, 1080 00:54:51,564 --> 00:54:53,807 uh, I believe in fact, by Dr. Leo Sprinkle, 1081 00:54:53,842 --> 00:54:56,258 who's a very well known individual in this, 1082 00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:58,225 and Bennewitz was there and they... 1083 00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:59,606 And Myrna Hansen was regressed 1084 00:54:59,641 --> 00:55:03,541 and she gave a very detailed, very detailed account 1085 00:55:03,576 --> 00:55:07,269 of being taken to an underground facility. 1086 00:55:07,304 --> 00:55:09,271 It's, like, very heavy duty stuff. 1087 00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:14,759 So Bennewitz was deeply involved in all of this. 1088 00:55:14,794 --> 00:55:16,520 Then he sees all of... 1089 00:55:16,554 --> 00:55:18,038 You know, he sees things, 1090 00:55:18,073 --> 00:55:22,008 and he's recording, uh, emissions that he believes 1091 00:55:22,042 --> 00:55:24,182 are like a form of alien communication. 1092 00:55:25,598 --> 00:55:29,153 So with that, Doty and his team go to talk to Bennewitz. 1093 00:55:29,187 --> 00:55:30,741 And, um, 1094 00:55:30,775 --> 00:55:36,747 did Doty explicitly give Bennewitz false information? 1095 00:55:36,781 --> 00:55:39,094 Or did he show Bennewitz things 1096 00:55:39,128 --> 00:55:41,372 and let Bennewitz draw his own conclusions? 1097 00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:45,169 I think definitely the latter happened, 1098 00:55:45,203 --> 00:55:48,517 and maybe some of the former happened also. 1099 00:55:48,552 --> 00:55:52,935 Um, for example, there is one story where... 1100 00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:57,319 Where Doty took Bennewitz. to, uh, Dulce, New Mexico. 1101 00:55:57,354 --> 00:56:02,359 Now, Dulce has a legitimate history of bizarre 1102 00:56:02,393 --> 00:56:05,672 cattle mutilations and UFO activity. 1103 00:56:05,707 --> 00:56:07,709 I've been there myself. And, in fact, I spoke to 1104 00:56:07,743 --> 00:56:10,781 members of the Gomez family in Dulce some years ago. 1105 00:56:10,815 --> 00:56:13,956 This is a family that lost, I think, over 50 head of cattle 1106 00:56:13,991 --> 00:56:16,303 to mutilations during that period of time. 1107 00:56:17,512 --> 00:56:21,516 Um, there's reason to think that it might be beyond human, 1108 00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:23,483 and there's reason to think that there are definitely 1109 00:56:23,518 --> 00:56:26,141 human intelligence operators there as well. 1110 00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:30,387 There's a lot of strange things that happened over at Dulce. 1111 00:56:30,421 --> 00:56:32,734 So, and over at Dulce, you've got 1112 00:56:32,768 --> 00:56:35,322 Mount Archuleta and Archuleta Peak. 1113 00:56:35,357 --> 00:56:37,117 Uh, yeah, I think that's it. 1114 00:56:37,152 --> 00:56:40,327 So, there's these two large structures there, 1115 00:56:40,362 --> 00:56:46,506 and there have long been rumors of underground facilities there. 1116 00:56:46,541 --> 00:56:48,612 And, um... 1117 00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:50,407 And in fact, I think that there probably were 1118 00:56:50,441 --> 00:56:52,063 underground facilities there. 1119 00:56:52,098 --> 00:56:55,412 I recall distinctly speaking to Edmundo Gomez many years ago 1120 00:56:55,446 --> 00:56:57,828 who was the son of... 1121 00:56:57,862 --> 00:57:00,175 Of, um, the senior Gomez at the time, 1122 00:57:00,209 --> 00:57:03,937 and Edmundo told me, he said, "Look, in the early '70s, 1123 00:57:03,972 --> 00:57:07,078 "we could hear all kinds of construction sounds coming out of there 1124 00:57:07,113 --> 00:57:09,115 "and we all believed," he said, "that there was 1125 00:57:09,149 --> 00:57:11,531 "some kind of construction going on at Dulce." 1126 00:57:11,566 --> 00:57:13,257 That's his opinion. 1127 00:57:13,291 --> 00:57:16,916 In any case, Doty, uh, at one point takes Bennewitz 1128 00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:19,090 either on a helicopter or aircraft, 1129 00:57:19,125 --> 00:57:20,298 I can't remember which, 1130 00:57:20,333 --> 00:57:24,717 and they fly around Archuleta Peak, and... 1131 00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:28,306 And Bennewitz draws the conclusion 1132 00:57:28,341 --> 00:57:30,861 that there is an underground base there. 1133 00:57:30,895 --> 00:57:34,934 And, uh, according... I think this is how, uh, Greg Bishop wrote about this 1134 00:57:34,968 --> 00:57:37,212 in his study of this called Project Beta, 1135 00:57:38,178 --> 00:57:40,491 uh, that there were, like... 1136 00:57:40,526 --> 00:57:42,735 Like these fake artifacts put up by the Air Force 1137 00:57:42,769 --> 00:57:44,495 to make Bennewitz think 1138 00:57:44,530 --> 00:57:46,186 that there was all of this activity going on 1139 00:57:46,221 --> 00:57:48,775 and make him think there was a big UFO thing happening there. 1140 00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:51,882 Uh, and also to lead him away 1141 00:57:51,916 --> 00:57:53,642 from his fixation on Kirtland 1142 00:57:54,332 --> 00:57:55,920 to get him to look at Dulce. 1143 00:57:55,955 --> 00:57:57,163 That was part of this, 1144 00:57:57,197 --> 00:57:59,303 at least according to Bishop's research. 1145 00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:28,125 On December 26, 1980, 1146 00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,162 Great Britain's most notorious UFO incident 1147 00:58:31,197 --> 00:58:33,855 occurred at a United States Air Force base 1148 00:58:33,889 --> 00:58:35,857 in Rendlesham Forest. 1149 00:58:35,891 --> 00:58:38,963 Security personnel Jim Penniston, 1150 00:58:38,998 --> 00:58:42,346 John Burroughs and Edward Cabansag 1151 00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,314 were alerted by radio that a UFO was seen 1152 00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:49,077 moving in the forest on the perimeter of the base. 1153 00:58:49,111 --> 00:58:52,114 They made their way out to the edge of the forest 1154 00:58:52,149 --> 00:58:53,840 and as they made their way in, 1155 00:58:53,875 --> 00:58:56,291 eventually they stood right in front 1156 00:58:56,325 --> 00:59:00,537 of something they could only describe as being from out of this world. 1157 00:59:00,571 --> 00:59:03,401 This small triangular metallic craft 1158 00:59:03,436 --> 00:59:06,577 had strange symbols etched into its surface. 1159 00:59:06,612 --> 00:59:10,995 It emanated a vibrant glow that lit up the canopy of the forest, 1160 00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:13,239 and it was almost soundless. 1161 00:59:13,273 --> 00:59:16,518 It is said that the craft took off in an instant 1162 00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:17,899 from the forest floor 1163 00:59:17,933 --> 00:59:21,523 as if it disappeared into the night sky before them. 1164 00:59:21,558 --> 00:59:25,838 These three eye witnesses made their way back to the base by car, 1165 00:59:25,872 --> 00:59:29,911 where many other observers of the UFO were stationed. 1166 00:59:29,945 --> 00:59:32,741 As they arrived, they were surprised to have 1167 00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:35,882 men in civilian clothing waiting for them. 1168 00:59:35,917 --> 00:59:38,575 And to quote John Burroughs, 1169 00:59:38,609 --> 00:59:41,854 "There were gentlemen there with sunglasses, 1170 00:59:41,888 --> 00:59:44,857 "who took Jim and Ed off somewhere. 1171 00:59:44,891 --> 00:59:48,550 "We no longer saw them after we traded in our weapons, 1172 00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:52,554 "and I felt betrayed because they wouldn't talk to me anymore. 1173 00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:55,626 "What was said to them to clam them up so tight? 1174 00:59:56,316 --> 00:59:58,215 "I have no idea." 1175 00:59:58,249 --> 01:00:01,183 This story follows an age old pattern 1176 01:00:01,218 --> 01:00:03,772 of a prominent Men In Black cover up. 1177 01:00:03,807 --> 01:00:06,257 A UFO incident occurs. 1178 01:00:06,292 --> 01:00:09,433 Experiencers witness something that shouldn't exist 1179 01:00:09,467 --> 01:00:12,298 in our conventionally understood reality. 1180 01:00:12,332 --> 01:00:15,508 A meeting then follows between these experiencers 1181 01:00:15,542 --> 01:00:18,338 and the Men In Black which strikes fear in them 1182 01:00:18,373 --> 01:00:22,446 to never speak about what they saw or experienced. 1183 01:00:38,427 --> 01:00:40,706 I served in the United States Air Force 1184 01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:44,606 for six years from 1992 to 1998. 1185 01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:48,990 First three years were at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska, 1186 01:00:49,024 --> 01:00:53,201 and the other three years were at Fort George G. Meade 1187 01:00:53,235 --> 01:00:55,686 in Maryland, the home of NSA. 1188 01:00:55,721 --> 01:01:00,553 Now, my role for NSA was as a computer technician, 1189 01:01:00,587 --> 01:01:03,556 primarily systems and network administration 1190 01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:06,455 for a specific surveillance crew. 1191 01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:11,391 I cannot get into specifics of what exactly we were surveilling, 1192 01:01:11,426 --> 01:01:14,705 uh, but essentially, I offered computer support 1193 01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:18,019 for those that were performing this function. 1194 01:01:18,053 --> 01:01:20,884 Of course, I had a top secret clearance. 1195 01:01:20,918 --> 01:01:24,577 A, uh, TS/SCI clearance specifically, 1196 01:01:24,611 --> 01:01:27,442 and that is very compartmentalized. 1197 01:01:27,476 --> 01:01:31,032 Now, on occasion, we did have a need 1198 01:01:31,066 --> 01:01:36,934 to, uh, exit, uh, the NSA campus and go to an off-site location. 1199 01:01:36,969 --> 01:01:41,214 And there are a plethora of these types of locations 1200 01:01:41,249 --> 01:01:42,975 across the country. 1201 01:01:43,009 --> 01:01:48,394 And these locations were basically hidden in plain sight. 1202 01:01:48,428 --> 01:01:52,501 You know, they would be at, uh, you know, just small, 1203 01:01:52,536 --> 01:01:55,504 you know, maybe strip malls that were out of the way. 1204 01:01:55,539 --> 01:01:57,817 So they just had some local businesses, 1205 01:01:57,852 --> 01:02:00,509 uh, some different offices, that sort of thing. 1206 01:02:00,544 --> 01:02:03,616 And when we would have to go to these locations, 1207 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:07,033 we could not arrive in our military attire. 1208 01:02:07,068 --> 01:02:10,105 Uh, they did not want it to be known 1209 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:13,522 that this was actually a, uh, government operation 1210 01:02:13,557 --> 01:02:15,041 and the military was involved. 1211 01:02:15,076 --> 01:02:17,664 So we were required, as protocol, 1212 01:02:17,699 --> 01:02:21,289 to dress in black suits and a tie 1213 01:02:21,323 --> 01:02:22,980 to go to these locations. 1214 01:02:54,909 --> 01:02:59,672 ...being interrogated. I just don't. And I don't know if... 1215 01:03:12,996 --> 01:03:15,619 I don't know. I mean, I, I don't know. 1216 01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:18,518 Was that, uh... Was that an MIB experience? 1217 01:03:18,553 --> 01:03:20,969 You know, black helicopters, uh. 1218 01:03:21,004 --> 01:03:24,041 You know, military, uh, abductions that happen sometimes. 1219 01:03:24,076 --> 01:03:25,905 People are taken and then they talk about 1220 01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:28,528 them being visited by, you know, military personnel 1221 01:03:28,563 --> 01:03:30,358 and re, debriefed about their abduction. 1222 01:03:30,392 --> 01:03:32,636 So, Dan Aykroyd, the actor, the comedian, 1223 01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:35,777 has a very interesting story about Men In Black as well, 1224 01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:40,299 and, um, it's funny I have my own little oblique connection to this. 1225 01:03:40,333 --> 01:03:42,128 Very, very small. 1226 01:03:42,163 --> 01:03:45,235 But in 2002, Dan Aykroyd had a TV show called Out There. 1227 01:03:46,236 --> 01:03:48,100 And, uh, it was a UFO show. 1228 01:03:48,134 --> 01:03:49,377 Dan Aykroyd, of course, 1229 01:03:49,411 --> 01:03:51,689 everyone knows Dan Aykroyd is very interested in UFOs. 1230 01:03:51,724 --> 01:03:52,967 He's very knowledgeable. 1231 01:03:53,001 --> 01:03:56,798 He knows this field, he's very sophisticated with it. 1232 01:03:56,833 --> 01:04:00,906 And he wanted to do a serious treatment of the UFO subject. 1233 01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:06,014 And in fact, uh, this is 2002, and I was, uh... 1234 01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:08,845 I was one of the new guys in the field at that time, 1235 01:04:08,879 --> 01:04:13,504 and I had, actually, myself gotten a communication from his team, 1236 01:04:13,539 --> 01:04:16,611 and they were interested in interviewing me for this show. 1237 01:04:16,645 --> 01:04:18,578 So I was excited. I thought, "Oh, this is awesome! 1238 01:04:18,613 --> 01:04:21,996 "I'll get to... Maybe I'll get to meet Dan Aykroyd." 1239 01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:24,757 Uh, and then I discovered, no, the show fell through no more, 1240 01:04:24,791 --> 01:04:26,241 and I won't get my opportunity. 1241 01:04:26,276 --> 01:04:30,832 So what's interesting is that, uh, the day that that show was canceled, 1242 01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:33,041 has a very interesting story. 1243 01:04:33,076 --> 01:04:35,906 So according to what Aykroyd said, he's out taking a break, 1244 01:04:35,941 --> 01:04:37,563 having a smoke outside. 1245 01:04:38,598 --> 01:04:44,018 And there's a very unsettling man, in black, 1246 01:04:44,052 --> 01:04:46,641 who's at some distance, 1247 01:04:46,675 --> 01:04:49,747 but I don't think that far, who's staring at him. 1248 01:04:49,782 --> 01:04:51,577 It's unsettling to Aykroyd. 1249 01:04:51,611 --> 01:04:55,167 The man is dressed in black, he's got a car, a black car. 1250 01:04:55,201 --> 01:04:57,894 He looks away and then looks over. 1251 01:04:57,928 --> 01:04:59,861 And the man and the car are gone. 1252 01:05:01,207 --> 01:05:02,553 Um, apparently in such a way 1253 01:05:02,588 --> 01:05:03,934 that it didn't make sense to him, 1254 01:05:03,969 --> 01:05:06,764 that it just disappeared in such a way. 1255 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,008 Right after that, 1256 01:05:09,043 --> 01:05:10,630 right after that, he's back inside. 1257 01:05:10,665 --> 01:05:13,081 He gets a phone call from his producer, 1258 01:05:13,116 --> 01:05:16,119 who tells him, without an explanation, by the way, 1259 01:05:16,153 --> 01:05:17,430 that the show's been canceled. 1260 01:05:17,465 --> 01:05:19,260 "No more shooting. It's over." 1261 01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:20,882 End of story. 1262 01:05:21,262 --> 01:05:22,435 Big mystery. 1263 01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:23,436 So it was, "Oh, hi, Britney. 1264 01:05:23,471 --> 01:05:25,093 "Sure. Oh, of course, I'd love to do..." 1265 01:05:25,128 --> 01:05:26,129 Guy gives me a dirty look. 1266 01:05:26,163 --> 01:05:27,199 "Oh, well, sure." 1267 01:05:27,233 --> 01:05:28,234 Car gone. 1268 01:05:28,269 --> 01:05:29,270 That's what happened. 1269 01:05:29,304 --> 01:05:31,997 And, uh, then two hours later, 1270 01:05:32,031 --> 01:05:34,861 uh, we were told that we were not to continue taping 1271 01:05:34,896 --> 01:05:36,794 and the show was canceled and none of them would air. 1272 01:05:37,899 --> 01:05:40,488 I don't know. I mean, I... I don't know. 1273 01:05:40,522 --> 01:05:43,387 Was that, uh... Was that an MIB experience? 1274 01:05:45,527 --> 01:05:48,047 So there's a very interesting, let's say, creepy, 1275 01:05:48,082 --> 01:05:53,363 uh, video that is available of two apparent Men In Black. 1276 01:05:54,157 --> 01:05:56,090 Uh, and this has to do with, uh, 1277 01:05:56,124 --> 01:05:58,644 an event that took place at Niagara Falls. 1278 01:05:59,541 --> 01:06:00,818 Now, I don't know the date of this. 1279 01:06:00,853 --> 01:06:04,270 The video itself was posted to YouTube in 2013, 1280 01:06:04,305 --> 01:06:06,963 and it's very interesting. 1281 01:06:20,252 --> 01:06:23,220 So, what you have is a situation where a... 1282 01:06:23,255 --> 01:06:25,878 A hotel employee at Niagara Falls, 1283 01:06:27,017 --> 01:06:30,089 uh, the night before had sh... 1284 01:06:30,124 --> 01:06:34,507 Apparently had shot a very impressive video 1285 01:06:34,542 --> 01:06:37,407 of a vivid and, I think, large UFO 1286 01:06:37,441 --> 01:06:39,098 over Niagara Falls. 1287 01:06:39,133 --> 01:06:41,618 The very next day called in sick. 1288 01:06:41,652 --> 01:06:46,071 And on that day that he'd called in sick, uh, 1289 01:06:46,105 --> 01:06:48,383 there are these very two odd men, 1290 01:06:48,418 --> 01:06:50,006 very intimidating-looking men 1291 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,733 and all of this is caught on the hotel, uh, security camera. 1292 01:06:53,768 --> 01:06:57,013 And it's interesting because you see all the hotel traffic, 1293 01:06:57,047 --> 01:06:59,429 people coming in and out, out of the hotel. 1294 01:06:59,463 --> 01:07:02,880 And then you see these two very, fairly large men 1295 01:07:02,915 --> 01:07:06,125 in these big black trench coats with hats. 1296 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,439 And the... At least one of the people there is, like, 1297 01:07:09,473 --> 01:07:11,889 obviously intimidated by them and walks away. 1298 01:07:11,924 --> 01:07:13,615 You can see that in the video. 1299 01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:15,893 So, they go in. 1300 01:07:15,928 --> 01:07:18,413 And furthermore, when you see, at least to my view, 1301 01:07:18,448 --> 01:07:20,967 one of them walked in a very odd way. 1302 01:07:21,002 --> 01:07:24,178 Like his feet were not positioned 1303 01:07:24,212 --> 01:07:25,938 in the way that you would normally see. 1304 01:07:25,972 --> 01:07:28,285 If you look carefully, like, there, he's... 1305 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,080 His feet are positioned in an odd way. 1306 01:07:30,115 --> 01:07:32,531 In any case, um, 1307 01:07:32,565 --> 01:07:35,085 what's interesting about the video is 1308 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,259 you have one person, primarily, 1309 01:07:36,293 --> 01:07:38,399 but there's two people in this video talking, 1310 01:07:38,433 --> 01:07:40,918 but these are the hotel employees, 1311 01:07:40,953 --> 01:07:43,645 and they're describing what happened in this encounter. 1312 01:07:44,577 --> 01:07:47,270 And, essentially, they come in 1313 01:07:47,304 --> 01:07:51,032 and they're looking for this employee, who's not there. 1314 01:07:51,067 --> 01:07:55,036 And they scare the hell out of this one woman who's working there. 1315 01:07:55,071 --> 01:07:58,419 She gets to deal with these two giant men 1316 01:07:58,453 --> 01:08:00,662 in these big black trench coats 1317 01:08:00,697 --> 01:08:03,148 with these enormous blue eyes 1318 01:08:03,182 --> 01:08:05,357 that never blink, according to her. 1319 01:08:05,391 --> 01:08:08,981 And they're scaring her to death, asking for this guy. 1320 01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:12,295 And she actually just broke down crying during the encounter, 1321 01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:15,401 apparently, uh, according to the person telling the story, 1322 01:08:15,436 --> 01:08:17,541 who was another employee, a coworker of hers. 1323 01:08:17,576 --> 01:08:21,580 Uh, they wanted this film. 1324 01:08:21,614 --> 01:08:23,892 They wanted this video, and they... 1325 01:08:23,927 --> 01:08:26,619 You know, what's... What's very interesting is 1326 01:08:26,654 --> 01:08:30,865 that you've got this recording on a hotel security camera. 1327 01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:33,764 And the only, you know, what, what are the... 1328 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,939 What's going on here? 1329 01:08:35,973 --> 01:08:38,459 It's... It's either a massive hoax 1330 01:08:38,493 --> 01:08:41,324 that the entire hotel staff 1331 01:08:41,358 --> 01:08:44,465 wanted to participate in and create this thing. 1332 01:08:44,499 --> 01:08:47,399 All right, I suppose that's a possibility. 1333 01:08:47,433 --> 01:08:49,194 Or it's true, or it really happened 1334 01:08:49,228 --> 01:08:51,851 the way that it seems to happen. 1335 01:08:51,886 --> 01:08:55,061 And I don't... I don't know what to say about it. 1336 01:08:55,096 --> 01:08:58,548 You know, I don't know, uh, the names of any of the people. 1337 01:08:58,582 --> 01:09:00,515 Have they been interviewed subsequently? 1338 01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:03,415 Do we have names? What happened to the employee? 1339 01:09:03,449 --> 01:09:06,625 What happened to the film that he shot, the video? 1340 01:09:06,659 --> 01:09:09,421 Uh, there's a lot of unanswered questions in this story, 1341 01:09:09,455 --> 01:09:11,699 like, we just have to acknowledge that. 1342 01:09:11,733 --> 01:09:16,635 On the other hand, when you look at this, you listen to it... 1343 01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:19,672 Look, I just have to say, it sounds potentially believable, 1344 01:09:20,604 --> 01:09:22,158 and I have to leave it at that. 1345 01:09:22,192 --> 01:09:27,818 I don't... I don't know what my full determination is on this, for all time, 1346 01:09:27,853 --> 01:09:30,856 but I certainly will admit, it's... 1347 01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:32,375 It catches my imagination. 1348 01:09:32,409 --> 01:09:34,308 It really makes me wonder if it actually did happen. 1349 01:10:11,586 --> 01:10:15,487 UFO encounters have been mired in suppression, 1350 01:10:15,521 --> 01:10:21,044 skepticism, and covert tactics, termed, "The Truth Embargo." 1351 01:10:21,078 --> 01:10:24,358 This truth has now been considered credible 1352 01:10:24,392 --> 01:10:28,293 and worth investigating by the Department of Defense. 1353 01:10:28,327 --> 01:10:31,434 A recent news release indicates the military 1354 01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:34,920 is again funding research to the UAP 1355 01:10:34,954 --> 01:10:38,820 otherwise known as the UFO phenomenon. 1356 01:10:38,855 --> 01:10:43,998 If there is a long history of information suppression quite evident, 1357 01:10:44,032 --> 01:10:48,692 then should we trust the newfound interest in the UFO phenomenon 1358 01:10:48,727 --> 01:10:50,522 by the U.S. Government? 1359 01:10:50,556 --> 01:10:53,179 Should witnesses and experiencers 1360 01:10:53,214 --> 01:10:56,355 be the ones in which we look to for information 1361 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:58,426 regarding this reality? 1362 01:10:58,461 --> 01:11:00,946 Perhaps the government should be the safe place 1363 01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,708 to consider relevant information on the topic. 1364 01:11:04,743 --> 01:11:07,987 If that is the case, then the U.S. Government 1365 01:11:08,022 --> 01:11:10,473 will have to regain the public trust 1366 01:11:10,507 --> 01:11:13,821 and undo decades of The Truth Embargo 1367 01:11:13,855 --> 01:11:16,444 enacted by the Men In Black. 1368 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,584 The government would have to admit 1369 01:11:18,619 --> 01:11:22,312 to the said suppression of information in the past, 1370 01:11:22,347 --> 01:11:26,834 provide reparations for those targeted by the Men In Black, 1371 01:11:26,868 --> 01:11:29,630 release all the credible documentation 1372 01:11:29,664 --> 01:11:33,150 that has been scrutinized by the U.S. Department of Defense 1373 01:11:33,185 --> 01:11:35,429 over the past 70 years, 1374 01:11:35,463 --> 01:11:38,432 and, finally, provide a clear explanation 1375 01:11:38,466 --> 01:11:40,019 for how this should affect 1376 01:11:40,054 --> 01:11:42,574 everyone's belief system going forward. 1377 01:11:43,091 --> 01:11:44,610 We are not alone. 1378 01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:47,337 The real question is: 1379 01:11:47,372 --> 01:11:50,409 Will the powers that be ever stop using 1380 01:11:50,444 --> 01:11:53,619 Men In Black tactics to control the narrative? 1381 01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:34,039 Ha-ha. 113139

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