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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,003 --> 00:00:04,379 Uh, so it's gonna be this one, 2 00:00:04,421 --> 00:00:05,505 and you just hit the blue play button. 3 00:00:05,547 --> 00:00:06,798 Right. 4 00:00:08,383 --> 00:00:09,551 Just push play when you're ready. 5 00:00:09,592 --> 00:00:10,719 Yeah, there you go. 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,345 And then, uh... All right, thank you. 7 00:00:12,387 --> 00:00:13,722 Well, now, 8 00:00:13,763 --> 00:00:15,223 it certainly is nice to see them 9 00:00:15,265 --> 00:00:17,392 work things out for themselves. 10 00:00:17,434 --> 00:00:19,728 They haven't worked anything out for themselves. 11 00:00:19,769 --> 00:00:21,521 It's my barbecue sauce. 12 00:00:23,732 --> 00:00:26,609 Your barbecue sauce? My barbecue sauce. 13 00:00:26,651 --> 00:00:28,111 Haven't you ever noticed after people 14 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:30,405 have some of my barbecue sauce, 15 00:00:30,447 --> 00:00:32,407 after a while when it kicks in, 16 00:00:32,449 --> 00:00:34,659 they get all huggy-buggy? 17 00:00:35,785 --> 00:00:39,581 Wow, this is suddenly creepy. Oh! 18 00:00:39,622 --> 00:00:42,208 After one of my barbecues and they have the sauce, 19 00:00:42,250 --> 00:00:44,544 people want to get right home? 20 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:45,962 He's got this look on his face. 21 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:47,672 It's-it's very creepy. 22 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:48,923 I got a cup of it 23 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:51,468 up on the night table in our bedroom. 24 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:57,265 I got a cup of it, I said. 25 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,352 Left it up there breathing. 26 00:01:01,394 --> 00:01:03,730 Why don't you give the chicken to these people? 27 00:01:03,772 --> 00:01:06,691 Let's go on up and have some sauce. 28 00:01:08,943 --> 00:01:11,654 So here's the rest of the chicken, you guys. 29 00:01:13,448 --> 00:01:16,367 Dr. Huxtable, I love this chicken. 30 00:01:16,409 --> 00:01:18,870 You know, Rudy, you look real nice today. 31 00:01:23,666 --> 00:01:25,543 I don't need to watch any more of that. 32 00:01:26,795 --> 00:01:28,004 Wow. 33 00:01:28,046 --> 00:01:30,673 That's just not okay. It-it's... 34 00:01:30,715 --> 00:01:32,759 it's actually kind of stunning, um, 35 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:35,428 how that slipped by so many of us. 36 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:39,808 Yeah, it's--in hindsight, it's incredibly dark. 37 00:01:39,849 --> 00:01:41,935 I don't-I don't--you know, I don't know. 38 00:01:41,976 --> 00:01:44,270 The-the thing with the barbecue sauce 39 00:01:44,312 --> 00:01:46,689 had been a running gag for several seasons. 40 00:01:46,731 --> 00:01:48,316 You know. 41 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:51,611 Let's not become too puritanical, shall we? 42 00:01:51,653 --> 00:01:54,656 It very much feels like Bill Cosby is giving us 43 00:01:54,697 --> 00:01:57,325 a blueprint to what he's doing 44 00:01:57,367 --> 00:01:59,119 when he's not playing America's dad. 45 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,912 That made my armpits sweat. 46 00:02:02,455 --> 00:02:05,250 That's the first time I've been like, "Ew." 47 00:02:05,291 --> 00:02:07,961 48 00:02:08,002 --> 00:02:13,424 49 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,506 My mommy and daddy, they died. 50 00:02:53,548 --> 00:02:55,717 Now I live with George and Katherine. 51 00:02:55,758 --> 00:02:57,927 Let's roll! 52 00:02:57,969 --> 00:02:59,179 Ooh! 53 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:00,471 Three, roast him! 54 00:03:00,513 --> 00:03:02,724 The 1980s came in hot. 55 00:03:04,767 --> 00:03:06,352 It was an unprecedented 56 00:03:06,394 --> 00:03:07,896 cultural explosion in America, 57 00:03:07,937 --> 00:03:10,023 and we shipped it around the world: 58 00:03:10,064 --> 00:03:12,066 music, movies... 59 00:03:12,108 --> 00:03:13,860 I am your father. 60 00:03:13,902 --> 00:03:14,819 ...TV... 61 00:03:14,861 --> 00:03:15,570 What you talkin' about, Willis? 62 00:03:15,612 --> 00:03:17,071 ...technology. 63 00:03:17,113 --> 00:03:18,907 And for the first time in this country's history, 64 00:03:18,948 --> 00:03:21,492 Black folks were right there in the center of it. 65 00:03:21,534 --> 00:03:24,078 66 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,915 And the key year was 1984. 67 00:03:26,956 --> 00:03:30,877 We went from being Black stars to worldwide icons. 68 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,255 69 00:03:34,297 --> 00:03:35,590 Hell, we even thought we might get 70 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:36,966 our first Black president. 71 00:03:38,092 --> 00:03:38,885 Not yet. 72 00:03:38,927 --> 00:03:42,430 73 00:03:42,472 --> 00:03:43,890 But at the same time 74 00:03:43,932 --> 00:03:45,934 the media was turning Black celebrities 75 00:03:45,975 --> 00:03:49,604 into worldwide phenomenons, it was doing this... 76 00:03:49,646 --> 00:03:51,272 to the rest of us. 77 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:54,234 This is Newark, New Jersey, one of America's inner cities. 78 00:03:54,776 --> 00:03:57,111 "Inner city" is a polite name for ghetto, 79 00:03:57,153 --> 00:03:58,905 as in Black ghetto. 80 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:00,949 Most Black children are now growing up 81 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:02,408 without their fathers. 82 00:04:02,450 --> 00:04:05,161 In the 1980s, mainstream media 83 00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:08,289 has now presented the view, 84 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:10,792 "Oh, this is the Black family: 85 00:04:10,833 --> 00:04:12,293 destructive, 86 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:15,129 strung out on crack, 87 00:04:15,171 --> 00:04:17,632 sons and fathers in prison." 88 00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:21,886 The 1980s, it was this almost apocalyptic sense 89 00:04:21,928 --> 00:04:24,305 of what was happening in Black America. 90 00:04:24,347 --> 00:04:27,475 People were worried 91 00:04:27,517 --> 00:04:29,727 that the hard-fought advances 92 00:04:29,769 --> 00:04:33,731 from the 1960s and 1970s were being eroded, 93 00:04:33,773 --> 00:04:34,983 if not reversed. 94 00:04:37,193 --> 00:04:38,444 There was a tension 95 00:04:38,486 --> 00:04:41,114 between images of Black folks like this 96 00:04:41,155 --> 00:04:42,991 and images of Black folks like this. 97 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:48,037 And there was an opportunity for something or someone 98 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,081 to resolve that tension. 99 00:04:50,456 --> 00:04:52,041 Bill Cosby's back... 100 00:04:52,083 --> 00:04:53,501 Who's in trouble now? 101 00:04:53,543 --> 00:04:55,044 ...as a loving family man. 102 00:04:55,086 --> 00:04:57,839 I heard about The Cosby Show coming out on TV Guide. 103 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,216 Oh, there's another Black family. Oh, shit. 104 00:05:00,258 --> 00:05:01,509 But they're not from the ghetto. 105 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:03,720 This season, he introduces us to 106 00:05:03,761 --> 00:05:06,014 a wife who's a thumbs-up lawyer 107 00:05:06,055 --> 00:05:07,849 and a passel of loving children. 108 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:10,018 His dignity remains unflappable. 109 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:12,979 And for my people, these weren't just ads 110 00:05:13,021 --> 00:05:14,314 about a TV show. 111 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:16,691 Nah, this was a calling. 112 00:05:16,733 --> 00:05:18,484 Everybody knew this show was happening, 113 00:05:18,526 --> 00:05:20,111 this show called The Cosby Show. 114 00:05:20,153 --> 00:05:21,654 It was a huge deal. 115 00:05:21,696 --> 00:05:23,865 It wasn't just gonna be a Black person appearing. 116 00:05:23,906 --> 00:05:27,452 This was gonna be a whole show with just Black people on it. 117 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:29,871 Yo, a Black man has a television show 118 00:05:29,912 --> 00:05:32,707 about a Black family on NBC. 119 00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:36,669 It was the first show that my mom and my dad 120 00:05:36,711 --> 00:05:39,213 and my aunt and my neighbors, everybody said, 121 00:05:39,255 --> 00:05:41,382 "- Yo, I-I'll talk to you later. I got Bill Cosby coming on." 122 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:43,718 There was just this understood directive 123 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,136 in the Black community 124 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:47,388 that we were going to support Bill Cosby. 125 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:48,681 We were gonna watch The Cosby Show. 126 00:05:48,723 --> 00:05:50,892 It was supposed to be in our DNA. 127 00:05:50,933 --> 00:05:53,186 When I knew there was gonna be The Cosby Show, 128 00:05:53,227 --> 00:05:55,063 I was anticipating it. 129 00:05:55,104 --> 00:05:58,733 I'll never forget waiting that night for the pilot to air. 130 00:05:58,775 --> 00:06:00,943 Hey. Hey, Dad. 131 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:03,863 Hi, Daddy. Hi, Daddy. 132 00:06:03,905 --> 00:06:06,824 Listen, let's put on some music round here. 133 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:12,205 Something about this show instantly felt different. 134 00:06:12,246 --> 00:06:17,710 135 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:20,755 What people have always referred to in the pilot 136 00:06:20,797 --> 00:06:22,507 was the moment with Theo. 137 00:06:22,548 --> 00:06:24,509 You're a doctor, and Mom's a lawyer. 138 00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:26,094 And you're both successful and everything, 139 00:06:26,135 --> 00:06:27,261 and that's great. 140 00:06:27,595 --> 00:06:30,181 But maybe I was born to be a regular person. 141 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,016 And so... 142 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:35,561 ...instead of acting disappointed 143 00:06:35,603 --> 00:06:37,021 because I'm not like you... 144 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:42,527 ...maybe you can just accept who I am and love me anyway... 145 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:45,780 ...because I'm your son. 146 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:51,702 And, of course, the audience that was conditioned 147 00:06:51,744 --> 00:06:54,997 to react this way went, "Aww." 148 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:59,001 And then Bill, three beats, look at him, going... 149 00:06:59,043 --> 00:07:02,213 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. 150 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:05,675 Just in that moment, Bill pulled the rug 151 00:07:05,716 --> 00:07:07,927 on sitcoms and kind of flipped them on their head. 152 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:11,180 153 00:07:11,222 --> 00:07:13,057 And it's a hit instantly. 154 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:15,601 155 00:07:15,643 --> 00:07:16,811 They got something on their hands 156 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:18,438 that they couldn't have anticipated. 157 00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:20,314 Advertisers didn't anticipate it. 158 00:07:20,356 --> 00:07:21,732 No--execs didn't anticipate it. 159 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,151 I mean, there was just no way to know 160 00:07:23,192 --> 00:07:25,736 how much America would fall in love with this family 161 00:07:25,778 --> 00:07:27,864 and, really, this man. 162 00:07:29,866 --> 00:07:32,326 In 1984, I was 11. 163 00:07:32,368 --> 00:07:34,162 I was there week after week, 164 00:07:34,203 --> 00:07:35,746 keeping up with the Huxtables. 165 00:07:35,788 --> 00:07:37,832 And it didn't miss. 166 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:39,917 There was always something... 167 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,087 Lamont was a good fish, 168 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:45,256 happy and brave. 169 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:48,134 ...classic moments, catchphrases. 170 00:07:48,176 --> 00:07:49,635 Didn't you go down there to Baltimore 171 00:07:49,677 --> 00:07:51,596 and have big fun, Vanessa? Tell me. 172 00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:54,432 If I say "big fun"... Big fun. 173 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:56,100 And you don't say, "Baltimore"... 174 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:57,268 Baltimore. 175 00:07:57,310 --> 00:07:59,979 ...then I know you and I are not the same. 176 00:08:00,021 --> 00:08:02,231 Everybody on that show was different, 177 00:08:02,273 --> 00:08:03,107 fun, and unique. 178 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:04,817 What is this? 179 00:08:04,859 --> 00:08:06,027 If you were watching, 180 00:08:06,068 --> 00:08:07,445 there was somebody in that family 181 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:08,946 you could identify with. 182 00:08:08,988 --> 00:08:10,615 We were the same age as one of his kids, 183 00:08:10,656 --> 00:08:12,617 be it Theo, Vanessa, Denise. 184 00:08:12,658 --> 00:08:14,452 Maybe some of us were Sondra. 185 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:18,080 Theo is so charming. Rudy is adorable. 186 00:08:18,122 --> 00:08:19,790 You're never cuter than when you're missing 187 00:08:19,832 --> 00:08:21,042 your front teeth. 188 00:08:21,083 --> 00:08:22,418 Maybe this is when I knew I was, 189 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:24,003 like, very gay very early on 190 00:08:24,045 --> 00:08:27,215 was looking at Lisa Bonet and being like, 191 00:08:27,256 --> 00:08:28,841 "Huh, I feel things." 192 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,052 There were so many times you'd watch that show 193 00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:33,513 and you wanted your family to be the Huxtables. 194 00:08:33,554 --> 00:08:34,555 Why don't we get along like that? 195 00:08:36,224 --> 00:08:37,975 I'd been on the show about a month, 196 00:08:38,017 --> 00:08:40,394 and, uh, we were at a rehearsal, 197 00:08:40,436 --> 00:08:42,230 and I had my notepad and pen. 198 00:08:42,271 --> 00:08:46,234 And we were watching Theo and Rudy rehearse a scene. 199 00:08:46,275 --> 00:08:48,819 And I feel this elbow in my ribs. 200 00:08:48,861 --> 00:08:50,738 And I turn, and it's Bill Cosby. 201 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:51,906 He's got a cappuccino in one hand 202 00:08:51,948 --> 00:08:53,199 and a cigar in the other. 203 00:08:53,241 --> 00:08:54,659 And he leaned over, and he goes, 204 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:57,787 "Hey, man, if you were home right now, 205 00:08:57,828 --> 00:09:00,039 wouldn't you want to be a part of that family?" 206 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:03,251 And when he said that, it was like... 207 00:09:04,585 --> 00:09:07,255 Okay. That is the key to television. 208 00:09:07,296 --> 00:09:09,257 Underrated 209 00:09:09,298 --> 00:09:11,050 If I had to pick one scene 210 00:09:11,092 --> 00:09:13,719 to demonstrate how good this show was, 211 00:09:13,761 --> 00:09:16,722 how much it meant to Black folks, 212 00:09:16,764 --> 00:09:19,475 there's only one clip I would choose. 213 00:09:19,517 --> 00:09:21,102 Some of you already know what I'm talking about. 214 00:09:24,021 --> 00:09:29,277 215 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:34,574 You know the nighttime, darling 216 00:09:34,615 --> 00:09:36,284 Night and day 217 00:09:36,325 --> 00:09:37,743 Is the right time 218 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:39,203 Night and day 219 00:09:39,245 --> 00:09:41,872 To be Night and day 220 00:09:41,914 --> 00:09:44,041 With the one you love, now 221 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:45,793 I mean, this scene is just so good. 222 00:09:45,835 --> 00:09:47,795 Like, it's just-- 223 00:09:47,837 --> 00:09:50,590 it captures what the spirit 224 00:09:50,631 --> 00:09:53,301 of the show is so well. 225 00:09:53,342 --> 00:09:54,719 Night and day 226 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:55,970 You know what I'm thinking of 227 00:09:56,012 --> 00:09:57,305 Night and day 228 00:09:57,346 --> 00:09:58,973 This isn't good because of what 229 00:09:59,015 --> 00:10:00,975 they wrote down on the page. 230 00:10:01,017 --> 00:10:03,644 This is good because of what the actors are doing 231 00:10:03,686 --> 00:10:05,062 on the stage. 232 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:07,273 Even though Bill is a stand-up comic, 233 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:09,984 he's sharing the spotlight with everybody. 234 00:10:10,026 --> 00:10:11,402 He's giving the best parts to Rudy. 235 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:14,322 Baby Night and day 236 00:10:14,363 --> 00:10:17,658 Baby Night and day 237 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:19,994 Baby Night and day 238 00:10:20,036 --> 00:10:21,662 People don't understand what it takes 239 00:10:21,704 --> 00:10:23,664 to get a kid to do this. 240 00:10:23,706 --> 00:10:25,291 They have to be safe. 241 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:27,376 Night and day To be with the one... 242 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:28,711 There's also something subtle 243 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:30,004 going on here. 244 00:10:30,046 --> 00:10:32,340 This scene is for Black folks. 245 00:10:32,381 --> 00:10:33,966 You know how I know? 246 00:10:34,008 --> 00:10:36,552 They ain't performing for the TV audience. 247 00:10:36,594 --> 00:10:39,138 They're performing for them, the elders. 248 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,224 This was Black love on full display. 249 00:10:42,266 --> 00:10:44,644 Oh, baby 250 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:46,729 We hadn't seen a lot of that on TV before. 251 00:10:46,771 --> 00:10:50,566 I love how the older people are, like, just enjoying it. 252 00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:52,610 Oh, keep me satisfied 253 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,028 Night and day 254 00:10:54,070 --> 00:10:55,696 I know that nighttime 255 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:57,031 Night and day 256 00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:58,699 Every day is the right time 257 00:10:58,741 --> 00:11:00,159 Night and day 258 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:01,619 Hey, to be with the one you love, now 259 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:03,120 Night and day 260 00:11:03,162 --> 00:11:05,206 Well, you know Night and day 261 00:11:05,247 --> 00:11:08,000 All right, yeah, yeah 262 00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:09,377 Wow. 263 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:16,717 Well, one of the main things I think about 264 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:18,511 when I see that clip is just, 265 00:11:18,552 --> 00:11:22,264 there are a million reasons we don't want 266 00:11:22,306 --> 00:11:25,685 what we know to be true about Bill Cosby to be true. 267 00:11:25,726 --> 00:11:28,396 And I think that clip highlights so many of them. 268 00:11:28,437 --> 00:11:32,358 It's just such a kind of bright and warm scene. 269 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,070 I think many of us don't want to lose 270 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:38,531 the way that those kinds of scenes make us feel 271 00:11:38,572 --> 00:11:41,450 and what they meant for us watching at the time. 272 00:11:41,492 --> 00:11:44,745 Uh, but the reality is-- you know, 273 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:46,539 the reality is the reality. 274 00:11:54,630 --> 00:11:57,633 It was a Thursday, and I'm walking up the sidewalk. 275 00:11:57,675 --> 00:12:01,095 And it's about ten minutes before the show starts. 276 00:12:01,137 --> 00:12:03,848 And I hear this little girl pulling--"Daddy, hurry. 277 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:05,599 Come, come, the show's starting. 278 00:12:05,641 --> 00:12:06,934 Cosby's on." 279 00:12:06,976 --> 00:12:08,602 And she pulled him into a building. 280 00:12:08,644 --> 00:12:10,354 She was probably six. 281 00:12:10,396 --> 00:12:11,856 And I went, 282 00:12:11,897 --> 00:12:15,818 "Okay, this has an impact that I wasn't even aware of." 283 00:12:17,987 --> 00:12:19,113 She was white. 284 00:12:19,155 --> 00:12:19,947 Yeah, she was a little white girl 285 00:12:19,989 --> 00:12:21,115 on the Upper West Side. 286 00:12:21,157 --> 00:12:23,284 The Cosby Show wasn't a Black show, 287 00:12:23,325 --> 00:12:24,952 but there things that made you feel Black, 288 00:12:24,994 --> 00:12:26,454 which was important. 289 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:28,622 I have some very important reading to do here. 290 00:12:28,664 --> 00:12:31,000 Like when Clair would say certain things, 291 00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:32,293 like, when she would check people, 292 00:12:32,334 --> 00:12:33,461 she was like, "Oh, let me tell you something." 293 00:12:33,502 --> 00:12:34,670 You don't get it together 294 00:12:34,712 --> 00:12:35,963 and drop these macho attitudes, 295 00:12:36,005 --> 00:12:37,298 you are never gonna have anybody bringing you 296 00:12:37,339 --> 00:12:40,259 anything anywhere anyplace anytime ever. 297 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,553 That's a Black woman checking you. 298 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:46,182 Cosby Show   showed people, "Hey, look. 299 00:12:46,223 --> 00:12:48,934 Black families have money. 300 00:12:48,976 --> 00:12:50,770 Their kids are in school." 301 00:12:50,811 --> 00:12:53,439 It's not like, "I'ma tell you, man, I'm working hard! 302 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:55,357 I'm trying to get out the ghetto, God damn it. 303 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:56,942 Ah!" 304 00:12:56,984 --> 00:13:01,822 When you go inside the Huxtables' town house, 305 00:13:01,864 --> 00:13:03,824 it is, like the Huxtables themselves, 306 00:13:03,866 --> 00:13:06,327 this monument to Black excellence. 307 00:13:06,368 --> 00:13:10,164 It's artwork by Varnette P. Honeywood. 308 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:12,458 You see Ellis Wilson's The Funeral Procession. 309 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:13,834 And when you go into the kids' rooms, 310 00:13:13,876 --> 00:13:16,003 there are posters of Miles Davis 311 00:13:16,045 --> 00:13:17,463 and Wynton Marsalis. 312 00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:20,800 It is such an affirmation of Blackness 313 00:13:20,841 --> 00:13:23,010 without... 314 00:13:23,052 --> 00:13:25,304 sort of beating people over the head with it. 315 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:29,308 They existed in this sort of Black utopia. 316 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:32,144 Not only did The Cosby Show tremendously elevate 317 00:13:32,186 --> 00:13:35,356 the Black image on the set. 318 00:13:35,397 --> 00:13:38,692 Kamau, on that set, I saw Black production assistants. 319 00:13:38,734 --> 00:13:42,196 I saw Black stage managers, Black hair and makeup, 320 00:13:42,238 --> 00:13:44,073 Black writers, Black directors. 321 00:13:44,114 --> 00:13:45,574 I was like, "Wow." 322 00:13:45,616 --> 00:13:48,911 Your mother and I are rich. 323 00:13:48,953 --> 00:13:51,205 You have nothing. 324 00:13:51,247 --> 00:13:53,415 And yes, many critics pointed out 325 00:13:53,457 --> 00:13:55,376 that The Cosby Show was not representative 326 00:13:55,417 --> 00:13:57,753 of the average Black family. 327 00:13:57,795 --> 00:13:59,755 But who cares? 328 00:13:59,797 --> 00:14:02,132 We had seen lots of images of the average Black family. 329 00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:04,134 Does it always gotta be Good Times? 330 00:14:04,176 --> 00:14:08,556 Damn, damn, damn! 331 00:14:08,597 --> 00:14:11,350 The Cosby Show wasn't really about money. 332 00:14:11,392 --> 00:14:13,185 It was actually a show about Black people 333 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:15,187 not having to think about money. 334 00:14:15,229 --> 00:14:17,147 Party till you drop.- 335 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:18,566 All right.- 336 00:14:18,607 --> 00:14:19,817 Black people just being allowed 337 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:22,820 to live and thrive. 338 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:26,490 My baby has been admitted at NYU, my baby! 339 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:28,158 That's what we aspired to. 340 00:14:29,368 --> 00:14:31,328 That's the feeling we tuned in for. 341 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:33,330 NBC, let's all... 342 00:14:33,372 --> 00:14:35,332 But the NBC executives, 343 00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:37,543 they loved   The Cosby Show for a different reason. 344 00:14:37,585 --> 00:14:39,962 Before The Cosby Show premiered, 345 00:14:40,004 --> 00:14:42,256 NBC was the number three network. 346 00:14:42,298 --> 00:14:43,549 They were in the toilet. 347 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:47,386 Nobody knew how NBC was going to survive. 348 00:14:47,428 --> 00:14:51,557 The Cosby Show   came along and saved NBC. 349 00:14:52,766 --> 00:14:53,767 We're hot. 350 00:14:53,809 --> 00:14:54,935 Before   Friends, 351 00:14:54,977 --> 00:14:56,270 before   Seinfeld 352 00:14:56,312 --> 00:14:58,939 was Bill Cosby single-handedly 353 00:14:58,981 --> 00:15:02,610 changing the face of NBC. 354 00:15:03,027 --> 00:15:04,778 The highest-rated episode 355 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:08,282 of The Cosby Show drew in 65 million viewers... 356 00:15:08,324 --> 00:15:10,409 What's blowing up or on fire? 357 00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:12,036 ...which, at the time, 358 00:15:12,077 --> 00:15:14,955 was a quarter of the U.S. population. 359 00:15:14,997 --> 00:15:17,625 For comparison's sake, in 2019, 360 00:15:17,666 --> 00:15:18,792 The Big Bang Theory, 361 00:15:18,834 --> 00:15:21,795 which was the highest-rated show of its time, 362 00:15:21,837 --> 00:15:23,547 brought in 25 million viewers. 363 00:15:31,013 --> 00:15:35,309 Cosby became a cultural icon, hero 364 00:15:35,351 --> 00:15:37,770 not only for Black people but for all people. 365 00:15:37,811 --> 00:15:40,564 366 00:15:40,606 --> 00:15:41,982 367 00:15:42,024 --> 00:15:43,651 When we turned on the TV, 368 00:15:43,692 --> 00:15:46,695 it was almost impossible not to see Bill Cosby. 369 00:15:46,737 --> 00:15:48,155 Open up an ice-cold Coke. 370 00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:51,158 Coke adds life, so have a Coke and a smile. 371 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,954 Cosby became this figure that we could trust. 372 00:15:54,995 --> 00:15:58,207 Mom, you know how the kids love Jell-O pudding. 373 00:15:58,248 --> 00:16:00,417 He's a pitchman for Kodak film, 374 00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:03,629 Jell-O, Coke, um, everything. 375 00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:07,174 The Ford Motor Company's sneaky squeak test. 376 00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:10,344 All of these companies want to be associated 377 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:12,429 with the Bill Cosby brand: 378 00:16:12,471 --> 00:16:15,182 wholesome, father, funny, 379 00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:16,767 all of those different things. 380 00:16:16,809 --> 00:16:19,520 And so dollars keep coming. 381 00:16:19,561 --> 00:16:21,313 The really big bucks are in show business. 382 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,023 Bill Cosby's, the biggest, 383 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:25,859 an estimated $57 million this year. 384 00:16:25,901 --> 00:16:28,195 It's clear that he is becoming America's father 385 00:16:28,237 --> 00:16:30,364 just as much as the character. 386 00:16:30,406 --> 00:16:31,782 He's this great dad. 387 00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:33,867 He's like a second father 388 00:16:33,909 --> 00:16:35,327 that's on television. 389 00:16:35,369 --> 00:16:38,998 He was someone to believe in and someone to trust 390 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:43,043 and someone to follow his advice. 391 00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:46,213 We all know Bill Cosby as America's dad. 392 00:16:46,255 --> 00:16:47,464 His new book is called, 393 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:49,717 very simply, Fatherhood. 394 00:16:49,758 --> 00:16:53,220 At the same time, the cultural conversation 395 00:16:53,262 --> 00:16:56,390 is around Black men as absentee fathers. 396 00:16:56,432 --> 00:16:59,810 Bill Cosby is being called America's dad, 397 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:02,062 not Black America's dad. 398 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:04,565 He's being called America's dad. 399 00:17:04,606 --> 00:17:07,609 And I don't think it's kind of overstating it. 400 00:17:07,651 --> 00:17:11,030 Cosby really, almost single-handedly, 401 00:17:11,071 --> 00:17:13,615 expands the vista of what people think 402 00:17:13,657 --> 00:17:15,743 Black people can be in American society. 403 00:17:24,334 --> 00:17:26,086 Who, Bill Cosby's? Yeah. 404 00:17:26,962 --> 00:17:28,088 Oh, uh, Cliff Huxtable, 405 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:30,007 uh, he was a pediatrician. 406 00:17:30,382 --> 00:17:32,551 That's right, he delivered babies. 407 00:17:32,593 --> 00:17:33,886 Oh! 408 00:17:33,927 --> 00:17:35,721 Oh, my God. 409 00:17:35,763 --> 00:17:37,181 Oh, my God. 410 00:17:41,268 --> 00:17:42,770 Was it in the house? Was it in the town house? 411 00:17:48,776 --> 00:17:50,194 Oh. 412 00:17:51,487 --> 00:17:53,947 God. 413 00:17:53,989 --> 00:17:57,451 Bill Cosby controlled every single aspect of that show. 414 00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:00,871 So I have no doubt in my mind that he chose 415 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:04,583 what Dr. Huxtable's medical specialty would be. 416 00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:07,086 You could have been a dentist, for crying out loud. 417 00:18:07,127 --> 00:18:08,754 But you weren't. 418 00:18:08,796 --> 00:18:10,589 You were an OBGYN. 419 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:13,926 His character bringing women to his home 420 00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:16,178 where he's going to examine them. 421 00:18:17,012 --> 00:18:19,515 It's-it's-it's outrageous. 422 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:22,976 Get outta here. Yeah, see, I made you laugh. 423 00:18:23,393 --> 00:18:27,648 We've all seen an actor who plays a villain 424 00:18:27,689 --> 00:18:30,359 who is so good at playing a villain 425 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,277 that you don't even like that actor anymore. 426 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:33,821 On the opposite side of it, 427 00:18:33,862 --> 00:18:36,782 an actor who plays a hero, you think that they are 428 00:18:36,824 --> 00:18:38,117 a really virtuous person 429 00:18:38,158 --> 00:18:40,577 on the basis of what they've done on the screen. 430 00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:42,579 Cosby does that all the time. 431 00:18:42,621 --> 00:18:45,457 Probably to a greater extent than anyone 432 00:18:45,499 --> 00:18:48,335 in entertainment in my lifetime, 433 00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:52,089 Cosby had melded those two identities. 434 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:54,842 It seemed like... 435 00:18:54,883 --> 00:18:59,429 Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable was Dr. Bill Cosby. 436 00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:03,100 And Lord knows they wore the same sweaters. 437 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:04,226 We say, "Well, you know, 438 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:06,103 he wasn't really Cliff Huxtable. 439 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:07,729 Nobody's really Cliff Huxtable. 440 00:19:07,771 --> 00:19:10,023 And how can we hold him to that standard?" 441 00:19:10,065 --> 00:19:13,610 But that was the standard that he told us to hold him to. 442 00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:15,070 Ever since my father passed away, 443 00:19:15,112 --> 00:19:17,197 when I see you on TV, you remind me of him. 444 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:19,950 And I feel and admire for you 445 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,035 what I did for him. 446 00:19:22,077 --> 00:19:23,745 And I just love you so much. 447 00:19:23,787 --> 00:19:25,706 That was what he wanted us to believe. 448 00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:27,249 He did that in... 449 00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:29,960 in clear ways through the television show 450 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:32,588 by structuring it to look just like his family. 451 00:19:32,629 --> 00:19:33,672 Do you pull from homelife 452 00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:34,882 and bring it to the screen? 453 00:19:34,923 --> 00:19:37,301 I pull just about everything 454 00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:39,720 from something I've seen, 455 00:19:39,761 --> 00:19:43,056 lived, felt, heard, thought about. 456 00:19:43,932 --> 00:19:48,061 He parlayed our affection 457 00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:51,231 for these characters into affection for him. 458 00:19:51,273 --> 00:19:55,402 Being known as America's Dad can really disarm someone 459 00:19:55,444 --> 00:19:58,739 from being tapped into and tuned into 460 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:00,657 what their intuition is telling them 461 00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:03,577 because this brand is overriding. 462 00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:05,829 We trust someone without really taking the time 463 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,915 that it requires to trust someone. 464 00:20:11,084 --> 00:20:13,712 And now welcome the star of the show. 465 00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:17,090 We would tape the show on Thursdays, 466 00:20:17,132 --> 00:20:19,760 once at four o'clock and then once again at seven. 467 00:20:19,801 --> 00:20:22,095 You'd be standing on set. 468 00:20:22,137 --> 00:20:25,098 I think there's about 200 people, maybe, in the stands. 469 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:26,725 You'd see all these faces 470 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,227 and, you know, all these people. 471 00:20:28,268 --> 00:20:29,937 And everybody's dressed a little bit differently. 472 00:20:29,978 --> 00:20:32,231 But then you'd get to this one pocket 473 00:20:32,272 --> 00:20:36,109 where there's about 20, 25 women 474 00:20:36,151 --> 00:20:38,445 dressed to the nines. 475 00:20:38,487 --> 00:20:39,905 They're all models. 476 00:20:39,947 --> 00:20:41,448 And they look it. 477 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:44,368 It's like, "Wow, what in the world is going on up there?" 478 00:20:44,826 --> 00:20:48,455 What we learned later, a modeling agency 479 00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:51,792 would bring these girls over, and they would 480 00:20:51,833 --> 00:20:54,044 talk to Mr.C. 481 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:56,713 They would come and sit in the stands, 482 00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:57,881 be a row. 483 00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,925 And... 484 00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:01,551 then there would be a parade of them, 485 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:03,136 go into his dressing room. 486 00:21:03,178 --> 00:21:06,139 But there was always a long line of beautiful women, 487 00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:07,724 all different shades. 488 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:09,977 I mean, the whole gamut, the whole rainbow 489 00:21:10,018 --> 00:21:11,603 of the human race. 490 00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:13,313 Yeah, they were lined up outside of his dressing room, 491 00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:15,482 poor things, going in and out. 492 00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:18,485 And I guess they would read, or I don't know what went on. 493 00:21:18,527 --> 00:21:20,696 And then they would go out. 494 00:21:20,737 --> 00:21:23,532 It was just kind of like the air, you know? 495 00:21:23,573 --> 00:21:26,660 It was there. And everybody knew it. 496 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:29,121 His dressing room was always open. 497 00:21:30,747 --> 00:21:32,332 Not then. 498 00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:35,794 I don't know what kind of advice 499 00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:39,006 you would probably have, to be offering mentorship 500 00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:40,674 with a group of models. 501 00:21:40,716 --> 00:21:42,634 But I mean, what do I know? 502 00:21:50,434 --> 00:21:51,685 Not really. 503 00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:56,064 It was-it was just write, sleep, 504 00:21:56,106 --> 00:21:57,524 eat occasionally, write. 505 00:21:57,566 --> 00:21:59,609 I guess there were attractive women around, 506 00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:01,611 but it was a television studio, 507 00:22:01,653 --> 00:22:03,363 and guests would drop in, 508 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,657 and Dizzy Gillespie would drop in. 509 00:22:05,699 --> 00:22:07,701 And there was always kind of a party going on 510 00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:09,494 in the dressing room, but the writers were upstairs 511 00:22:09,536 --> 00:22:10,871 rewriting the script. 512 00:22:10,912 --> 00:22:13,540 So I don't have any, uh, understanding 513 00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:14,875 of what happened there. 514 00:22:21,882 --> 00:22:23,133 Never. 515 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:25,552 Never.  I never met her. 516 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:27,721 I never met Camille. 517 00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:29,598 I never met any of his family. 518 00:22:29,639 --> 00:22:31,224 I only saw her once. 519 00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:34,561 I may have met Camille once in passing at the studio. 520 00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:35,896 She was like a ghost. 521 00:22:36,646 --> 00:22:38,065 She didn't exist. 522 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:40,692 I'm pretty sure I heard about Bill Cosby 523 00:22:40,734 --> 00:22:42,527 being unfaithful first, 524 00:22:42,569 --> 00:22:44,905 long before I heard about, 525 00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:48,075 uh, any allegations of sexual assault. 526 00:22:48,116 --> 00:22:50,702 There was this rumor 527 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:54,414 that Bill Cosby was not faithful to his wife, 528 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:56,083 which was stunning. 529 00:22:57,876 --> 00:23:00,420 Even though, on The Cosby Show, 530 00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:03,090 his wife was Clair Huxtable, 531 00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:05,258 we imagined that he was projecting 532 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:06,510 what his real life was like. 533 00:23:06,551 --> 00:23:08,178 So his marriage is really this good, 534 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,597 and it's attentive, and they really care about each other. 535 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:13,934 You know, the glowing magazine of photo spreads 536 00:23:13,975 --> 00:23:17,354 of him and his beautiful Black wife, Camille, 537 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:20,190 beautiful pictures of the real-life Cosby family, 538 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:22,609 which is how they were often presented, 539 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:24,778 his actual children and his actual wife. 540 00:23:26,154 --> 00:23:28,198 We had, for decades, accepted the fact 541 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,159 that Bill Cosby had the perfect marriage. 542 00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:35,622 To hear that Bill Cosby was not faithful, um, to his wife, 543 00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:36,957 that would be like us hearing now 544 00:23:36,998 --> 00:23:38,125 that Barack cheated on Michelle. 545 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:39,501 Like, that's what it would be like. 546 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:42,129 We're talking about how lucky you are to have Camille, 547 00:23:42,170 --> 00:23:43,964 'cause I think she's the perfect woman. 548 00:23:44,005 --> 00:23:47,843 In terms of Camille, I am very, very lucky. 549 00:23:47,884 --> 00:23:51,930 Therefore, I don't need any more luck in life 550 00:23:51,972 --> 00:23:55,225 because Camille is my full share. 551 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:09,990 Right. 552 00:24:12,701 --> 00:24:13,827 Right, Right. 553 00:24:13,869 --> 00:24:16,413 Yeah, I heard-I heard, yes. 554 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:17,789 You know... ...it's interesting you use 555 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,749 the term "notorious philanderer" 556 00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:21,334 'cause it's like, that's exactly what I heard. 557 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:25,505 It's like, not only are people have the same information. 558 00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:27,799 They have the same vernacular, like. 559 00:24:27,841 --> 00:24:29,676 "He's a notorious philanderer." 560 00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:31,011 I heard, though, that, yes. 561 00:24:31,052 --> 00:24:33,346 And I think a lot of people heard that. 562 00:24:33,388 --> 00:24:35,640 I only heard about him just fucking with other women. 563 00:24:35,682 --> 00:24:37,350 I didn't put a judgment on him, 564 00:24:37,392 --> 00:24:38,894 'cause I was doing that shit. 565 00:24:38,935 --> 00:24:41,229 I ain't no loyal motherfucker. I was-I was like, 566 00:24:41,271 --> 00:24:43,315 "What's wrong with getting some extra pussy? Shit. 567 00:24:43,356 --> 00:24:45,650 You know, yeah, That's normal, motherfucker." 568 00:24:48,069 --> 00:24:49,154 They're not. 569 00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:52,199 Exactly. 570 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,660 Infidelity is between the partners. 571 00:24:55,702 --> 00:24:59,164 Assault is-is a heinous crime. 572 00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:12,135 And would you like me to play this, Kamau? 573 00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:13,178 Like, play this in front-- Yes, please. 574 00:25:13,220 --> 00:25:14,638 Yes, please. Okay. 575 00:25:16,264 --> 00:25:19,226 Now, I'm telling you, you are going to try 576 00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:21,353 as hard as you can. 577 00:25:21,394 --> 00:25:24,648 And you're gonna do it because I said so. 578 00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:26,358 I am your father. 579 00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:28,860 I brought you in this world, and I'll take you out. 580 00:25:37,452 --> 00:25:39,246 I remember that episode. 581 00:25:39,287 --> 00:25:40,997 And I find it to be-- 582 00:25:43,458 --> 00:25:45,794 He loved his kids so much. I-- 583 00:25:47,003 --> 00:25:49,756 One wants to have that. 584 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:03,812 And I haven't watched The Cosby Show, uh, 585 00:26:03,853 --> 00:26:06,648 since everything happened. 586 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:11,194 587 00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:14,406 I didn't have a lot of parental engagement 588 00:26:14,447 --> 00:26:15,574 as a child. 589 00:26:15,615 --> 00:26:17,450 My biological father died, 590 00:26:17,492 --> 00:26:20,954 my stepfather, uh, stepped in at a young age, 591 00:26:20,996 --> 00:26:23,707 but there was, uh, an emotional removal. 592 00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:24,624 I love you. 593 00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:26,126 Yeah, Dad. Huh? 594 00:26:26,167 --> 00:26:27,294 I know. Yeah. 595 00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:30,630 Bill was, like, it, it, it. 596 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:32,299 It didn't matter what color you were. 597 00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:33,800 That's the dad you wanted. 598 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:36,928 And that's true today. Today. 599 00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:39,556 If you want a dad, you want Dr. Huxtable. 600 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,057 And every--that's it. 601 00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:45,312 I grew up in Minneapolis, Minnesota. 602 00:26:45,353 --> 00:26:48,648 At that time, I was called mulatto a lot. 603 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:51,693 It's just a strange thing, being mixed or "biracial" 604 00:26:51,735 --> 00:26:52,986 or "triracial." 605 00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:56,531 Uh, you had-- you were on your own. 606 00:26:56,573 --> 00:26:59,159 On your own. 607 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,660 Modeling saved me 608 00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:01,953 because in the modeling world, 609 00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:03,997 I was called exotic. 610 00:27:04,497 --> 00:27:06,458 That's what they wanted on the runways 611 00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:08,543 in the '80s and '90s. 612 00:27:08,585 --> 00:27:11,296 613 00:27:11,338 --> 00:27:16,009 614 00:27:16,051 --> 00:27:18,470 This would have been 1989. 615 00:27:18,511 --> 00:27:20,221 When I landed in New York, 616 00:27:20,263 --> 00:27:24,517 I actually got a hybrid modeling and acting agent. 617 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,019 And one day, she called me up, 618 00:27:26,061 --> 00:27:28,313 and she said, "I'm going out to The Cosby Show 619 00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:29,439 to watch a taping." 620 00:27:30,398 --> 00:27:31,816 And that's what we did. 621 00:27:31,858 --> 00:27:33,818 And at the end of that taping, 622 00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:35,195 she introduces us. 623 00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:36,821 I say, "It was very nice to meet you, Bill. 624 00:27:36,863 --> 00:27:38,323 Great show," 625 00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:39,532 uh, and I walked out. 626 00:27:39,574 --> 00:27:41,076 It was just that simple. 627 00:27:42,744 --> 00:27:43,870 But the following morning, 628 00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:46,206 get a phone call from my agent. 629 00:27:46,623 --> 00:27:49,376 "You just got a part in The Cosby Show. 630 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:53,380 He wants you next week on the show, 631 00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:54,339 to play a cop." 632 00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:58,218 633 00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,387 Now, don't get me-- now, don't get me wrong. 634 00:28:00,428 --> 00:28:02,013 Listen. 635 00:28:02,055 --> 00:28:05,141 Women can play cops, but dress blues cops, you know, 636 00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,018 walking the beat in New York, 637 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:10,021 at 22 and six feet tall, it just seemed a little odd. 638 00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:13,441 Excuse me. 639 00:28:13,483 --> 00:28:14,609 Yes? 640 00:28:14,651 --> 00:28:16,611 Are you, uh, Jade Marsh? 641 00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:18,154 Well, yes. 642 00:28:18,196 --> 00:28:19,364 This was my first television role. 643 00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:22,992 I had three lines or something like that. 644 00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,537 I have my own dressing room. 645 00:28:25,578 --> 00:28:27,414 I didn't have a dressing room 646 00:28:27,455 --> 00:28:28,873 on The Cosby Show. 647 00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:32,419 When Jeff and I were on the show at the same time, 648 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:34,087 we normally shared. 649 00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:36,256 One week, we come in. 650 00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:37,716 I kid you not. 651 00:28:37,757 --> 00:28:39,384 We are in a closet. 652 00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:42,887 They put us in a storage closet. 653 00:28:42,929 --> 00:28:45,598 Now, why would a girl that's playing a cop 654 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,058 have her own dressing room? 655 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,894 That, I-I knew enough to know that this is all-- 656 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:51,688 now it's getting really strange. 657 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:54,441 And I'm uncomfortable right away. 658 00:28:54,482 --> 00:28:57,026 I'm really uncomfortable right away. 659 00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,195 Are you aware that that watch was reported stolen 660 00:28:59,237 --> 00:29:00,321 two days ago? 661 00:29:00,363 --> 00:29:02,282 We're in the midst of rehearsal, 662 00:29:02,323 --> 00:29:05,118 and all of a sudden, this man comes right onto the set. 663 00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:07,370 This older man. 664 00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:11,124 Looks like Burgess Meredith, uh, Rocky's, uh, trainer. 665 00:29:11,166 --> 00:29:14,419 I come to find out is named, uh, Scotti. 666 00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:18,506 Frank Scotti was one of those assistants 667 00:29:18,548 --> 00:29:20,383 but probably the main one. 668 00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:22,719 He came right up to me, and he said, uh, 669 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,513 "Bill would like you to have lunch in his dressing room." 670 00:29:25,555 --> 00:29:27,390 He has my arm. 671 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:29,934 And it's not a strong hold. I don't mean that. 672 00:29:29,976 --> 00:29:32,353 I just mean he's actually escorting me off. 673 00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:34,063 If somebody came onto the set right now 674 00:29:34,105 --> 00:29:36,816 and took me off set, you, Kamau, would say, 675 00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,526 "Uh, I need her." 676 00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:42,822 Nobody said, "We need her." 677 00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:44,157 So I'm sitting down, 678 00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:46,659 and I'm eating my Chinese chicken salad, 679 00:29:46,701 --> 00:29:48,495 and Bill never comes in. 680 00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:51,414 So that was the first day. 681 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:54,501 Preposterous, this was a gift from my boyfriend. 682 00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:55,752 Well, could you take it off so we can check 683 00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:56,669 the serial number? 684 00:29:56,711 --> 00:29:58,171 Never. 685 00:29:58,213 --> 00:29:59,422 The second day, we're rehearsing, 686 00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:00,799 and Scotti comes. 687 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,677 And this time, I say, um, I will not leave the set. 688 00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:06,346 And I talked to two people. 689 00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:09,432 And I said, "I don't want to leave the set." 690 00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:12,060 And they said, "Just go. 691 00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:15,313 This happens all the time. Just go." 692 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:17,398 Look, if we don't see the serial number, 693 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,525 we're gonna have to take you in 694 00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:20,401 for possession of stolen property. 695 00:30:20,443 --> 00:30:22,529 On Thursday, I go into the dressing room, 696 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:26,533 and I'm sitting down, thinking that no Bill is gonna show up. 697 00:30:26,574 --> 00:30:29,202 And right after, I don't know, two, three bites, 698 00:30:29,244 --> 00:30:31,037 Bill finally comes in. 699 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:32,872 He comes in the door 700 00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:35,750 and closes the door, which has always stayed open 701 00:30:35,792 --> 00:30:37,544 those-those three days. 702 00:30:37,585 --> 00:30:38,711 And he locks it. 703 00:30:38,753 --> 00:30:40,255 Is this it? 704 00:30:40,296 --> 00:30:41,881 Like, is this when somebody's actually gonna try 705 00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:43,383 to fuck with you? 706 00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:46,636 And he just said, really pointedly, 707 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:48,096 "Eden... 708 00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:51,224 ...you know that you... 709 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:54,727 ...could have anything you wanted, right? 710 00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:56,729 You do understand who I am?" 711 00:30:56,771 --> 00:30:58,731 And I said, "Bill... 712 00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:01,901 ...you are 713 00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:03,695 Fat Albert 714 00:31:03,736 --> 00:31:05,154 and the Cosby Kids. 715 00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:07,407 And you're Jell-O Pudding Pops to me." 716 00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:11,995 Bill Cosby, the one that you, Kamau, and I know, 717 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:14,080 went from someone that I knew 718 00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:16,249 to someone that I had never, ever seen before. 719 00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:18,626 And he said, "Don't say that to me. 720 00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,128 They all say that to me." 721 00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:23,548 Then at this point, he says, "Stand up." 722 00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:25,300 And he tells me to turn around. 723 00:31:25,341 --> 00:31:27,093 He came up right to me, 724 00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:28,761 and he said, "Put your arms out." 725 00:31:28,803 --> 00:31:31,806 I put my arms out, and he put his hands on my hands. 726 00:31:31,848 --> 00:31:34,893 And we did what is this classic, 727 00:31:34,934 --> 00:31:37,437 you know, exercise that happens in acting classes 728 00:31:37,478 --> 00:31:39,564 where we--you mirror somebody. 729 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:40,607 But he's behind me. 730 00:31:40,648 --> 00:31:43,943 And it's very oppressive. 731 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:45,570 And it feels... 732 00:31:47,989 --> 00:31:49,782 ...it feels sexual. 733 00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:51,534 We do an exercise. 734 00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:53,661 It feels like it goes on for ten minutes; it doesn't. 735 00:31:53,703 --> 00:31:55,538 I imagine it goes on for less than a minute. 736 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:58,625 And he wraps me in his arms, and he pulls me in. 737 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:01,294 He said, "See? 738 00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:03,129 This is all we were gonna do. 739 00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:05,715 Make love. This is making love." 740 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,928 And then finally he releases me, 741 00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:12,263 and, um... 742 00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:14,307 and he says, "You can go now." 743 00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:19,437 I don't believe that's the first time that happened. 744 00:32:19,479 --> 00:32:21,314 I don't believe that the people on that set 745 00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:22,982 didn't know what was happening. 746 00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:25,151 And I will say that right here. 747 00:32:25,193 --> 00:32:27,028 And please, 748 00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:29,280 please do not edit this. 749 00:32:29,322 --> 00:32:31,991 A lot of people knew. 750 00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:34,494 Because you can't do what he did 751 00:32:34,535 --> 00:32:38,623 unless you have other people supporting what you're doing. 752 00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:41,668 I would love to ask some people 753 00:32:41,709 --> 00:32:43,461 that I used to work with there, 754 00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:46,172 like, "What in the world did you think was going on? 755 00:32:46,214 --> 00:32:48,174 You did wonder.  You had to." 756 00:32:48,216 --> 00:32:51,052 Frank Scotti had all the answers. 757 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:54,722 Frank is the one that took care of Bill. 758 00:32:56,683 --> 00:32:58,184 Frank enabled something terrible 759 00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:01,270 for a long time. 760 00:33:01,312 --> 00:33:05,024 So why do bystanders like Scotti not speak out? 761 00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:06,526 Because there's a power dynamic. 762 00:33:06,567 --> 00:33:08,027 People have jobs. 763 00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:09,529 They need to eat. 764 00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:11,114 They need to pay their bills. 765 00:33:11,155 --> 00:33:12,323 I mean, it's been 30 years 766 00:33:12,365 --> 00:33:13,533 since The Cosby Show has been on TV, 767 00:33:13,574 --> 00:33:16,160 but Bill Cosby was, like, the number one 768 00:33:16,202 --> 00:33:18,871 most powerful man 769 00:33:18,913 --> 00:33:21,666 in the entertainment industry back then. 770 00:33:21,708 --> 00:33:24,460 He had, like, $400 million under his belt. 771 00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:26,379 He had power. He wielded power. 772 00:33:26,421 --> 00:33:28,339 And so you're gonna speak against him? 773 00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:29,465 And who's gonna believe you? 774 00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:30,758 Bill Cosby is not even as famous 775 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,719 as he was back then, and look at the-- 776 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,720 look at the scrutiny. 777 00:33:33,761 --> 00:33:35,013 Look at the blaming and shaming 778 00:33:35,054 --> 00:33:36,514 that we're having to endure. 779 00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:39,100 780 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:40,601 Lili's right. 781 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:42,437 Bill Cosby was a powerful man 782 00:33:42,478 --> 00:33:44,230 in the entertainment industry. 783 00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:48,067 And even more complicated, he was a powerful Black man 784 00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:50,069 in the entertainment industry. 785 00:33:50,111 --> 00:33:53,114 And he used the power and the money that came with it 786 00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:56,617 to directly make the lives of Black people better. 787 00:33:56,659 --> 00:33:59,162 You give it away. 788 00:33:59,203 --> 00:34:03,708 You give it away in big, big numbers. 789 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:07,754 Cosby donated $20 million 790 00:34:07,795 --> 00:34:09,088 to Spelman College, 791 00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:11,758 the largest single award 792 00:34:11,799 --> 00:34:14,010 of philanthropy 793 00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:17,597 that any historically Black institution had ever received. 794 00:34:18,014 --> 00:34:19,891 When Bill Cosby drops money 795 00:34:19,932 --> 00:34:21,392 at a place like Spelman, 796 00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:23,603 he's not just putting his name on a building. 797 00:34:23,644 --> 00:34:25,813 He's helping to advance a tradition. 798 00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:30,943 Bill Cosby did as much for HBCUs 799 00:34:30,985 --> 00:34:33,362 in the '90s 800 00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:36,991 as maybe any person in American history 801 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:39,994 through his donations, 802 00:34:40,036 --> 00:34:42,080 through his advocacy, 803 00:34:42,121 --> 00:34:45,666 and through the representation on A Different World. 804 00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:47,627 I'm going to Hillman. 805 00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:51,839 twangy guitar music 806 00:34:51,881 --> 00:34:53,424 It's a different world 807 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:54,759 In its first season, 808 00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:56,677 A Different World was about Denise Huxtable 809 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,013 as she adjusted to life at the fictional HBCU 810 00:34:59,055 --> 00:35:00,348 Hillman College. 811 00:35:00,973 --> 00:35:02,475 There is a God. 812 00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,102 But thanks to showrunner Debbie Allen, 813 00:35:04,143 --> 00:35:05,603 this show became much more 814 00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:07,522 than just a Cosby Show   spin-off. 815 00:35:07,563 --> 00:35:09,315 The Cosby Show   was a show with Black people on it. 816 00:35:09,357 --> 00:35:11,609 A Different World was a Black show. 817 00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:13,945 They were attempting to resonate with youth. 818 00:35:13,986 --> 00:35:16,155 They were attempting to resonate with pop culture. 819 00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:19,450 And they were deeply, deeply centered in Black culture. 820 00:35:19,492 --> 00:35:23,079 I'm a voice in this world, and I deserve to be heard. 821 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,997 I'm a voice in this world, 822 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:26,749 and I deserve to be heard. 823 00:35:26,791 --> 00:35:28,835 From the mountaintops! 824 00:35:28,876 --> 00:35:31,337 I think   A Different World is the best show 825 00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:32,922 for-for Black people ever. 826 00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:36,467 Even more than The Cosby Show. 827 00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:38,803 It made getting an education seem cool. 828 00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:40,596 Seventeen to two... 829 00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:43,683 People look at Cosby as these two figures, 830 00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:46,853 um, one of whom is this humanitarian 831 00:35:46,894 --> 00:35:49,856 and the other of whom is this predator. 832 00:35:49,897 --> 00:35:53,192 But I'm not sure that we can distinguish them 833 00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:54,527 in that way. 834 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,362 He would dangle the promise 835 00:35:56,404 --> 00:35:58,698 of money to many institutions, 836 00:35:58,739 --> 00:36:00,158 places like Temple in particular. 837 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:01,742 So every year, 838 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:03,035 they'd be hoping to get $10 million or $20 million 839 00:36:03,077 --> 00:36:04,620 from Bill Cosby. 840 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,330 And that's why he's the board of trustees. 841 00:36:06,372 --> 00:36:08,624 And that's why many of his misdeeds 842 00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,251 were covered up or ignored. 843 00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:13,588 He gave millions of dollars to a college-- 844 00:36:13,629 --> 00:36:17,216 not just any college, a college for Black women. 845 00:36:17,258 --> 00:36:19,135 Maybe this is just coincidental, 846 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:20,887 but I doubt it. 847 00:36:20,928 --> 00:36:22,388 So people have tended to see it as kind of 848 00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:24,223 Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde. 849 00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:26,184 And I think that you can make a compelling argument 850 00:36:26,225 --> 00:36:27,560 that it's all Mr. Hyde. 851 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:35,735 852 00:36:35,776 --> 00:36:39,864 853 00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:42,742 We would shoot The Cosby Show Thursday. 854 00:36:42,783 --> 00:36:44,535 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, 855 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:46,078 Bill went off and did his stand-up. 856 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,622 He'd go to Tahoe or Vegas. 857 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,667 So we're talking about Las Vegas, '88. 858 00:36:52,335 --> 00:36:55,129 I was 23 years old. 859 00:36:55,171 --> 00:36:57,089 Lot of people I would run into 860 00:36:57,131 --> 00:36:59,550 or different situations said, "Oh, are you a model?" 861 00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:02,136 I went down to a modeling agency, 862 00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:04,305 you know, got some photos done. 863 00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:06,974 And before you know it, I was modeling. 864 00:37:07,016 --> 00:37:10,728 It was supplementing my income for education. 865 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:12,772 Ultimately, everything that I did 866 00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:14,815 was so that I could go to school. 867 00:37:16,692 --> 00:37:19,654 How I met him is getting the call from my agent, 868 00:37:19,695 --> 00:37:21,989 saying, "Hey, Bill Cosby wants to see you. 869 00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:24,283 He's at the Elvis Suite at the Hilton." 870 00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:28,955 A lot of people don't realize, you know, back then, 871 00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:32,416 everybody comes to Vegas, they stay in a hotel, 872 00:37:32,458 --> 00:37:35,127 and you cast from your hotel room. 873 00:37:35,169 --> 00:37:37,088 Your legitimate agency 874 00:37:37,129 --> 00:37:39,632 is sending you on a call. 875 00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:41,634 One of the first things I remember 876 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:43,469 when I first walked through the door 877 00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:45,554 was a big round table. 878 00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:47,890 And on the table were all these headshots 879 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:50,977 of models that worked in Las Vegas. 880 00:37:51,018 --> 00:37:52,228 I was like, "Oh, okay." 881 00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:53,479 And I thought, "Wow, he's serious. 882 00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:55,398 He's really looking for somebody." 883 00:37:55,439 --> 00:37:57,942 He just spent probably, you know, 884 00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:00,194 just a short period of time just talking to me 885 00:38:00,236 --> 00:38:02,571 and asking me about myself 886 00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,657 and what I do and what I was interested, 887 00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:06,284 what my long-term goals were. 888 00:38:06,325 --> 00:38:08,411 As much as I don't want to, you know, 889 00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:10,162 say that it was a nice meeting, 890 00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:11,622 it-it was a great meeting. 891 00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:14,750 And I left thinking, "Wow, you know, 892 00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:16,377 he's interested in my career. 893 00:38:16,419 --> 00:38:18,421 He's interested in me going to school. 894 00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:20,631 I get to be mentored by Bill Cosby. 895 00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:23,009 How great is that, you know?" 896 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:30,474 I actually first met him in 1988. 897 00:38:30,516 --> 00:38:33,144 I played a waitress, no lines, 898 00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:35,438 in an episode about the jazz singer Betty Carter. 899 00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:38,607 To hold him close 900 00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:40,860 Is heaven 901 00:38:40,901 --> 00:38:44,196 Being on that set was just magnificent 902 00:38:44,238 --> 00:38:45,865 and exciting and electric, and I wanted to be 903 00:38:45,906 --> 00:38:47,325 back in that working environment 904 00:38:47,366 --> 00:38:49,702 where so many Black people were collaborating 905 00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:51,996 to make this really great work. 906 00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:54,290 And two years later, there was an open call 907 00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:57,376 in Backstage magazine, which is a trade paper for actors, 908 00:38:57,418 --> 00:38:59,211 and it was for stand-ins. 909 00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:02,340 So I answered the call, and, um, Bill Cosby was there. 910 00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:04,800 I said, you know, "Thank you for the opportunity 911 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:06,344 to audition, but I don't want to be a stand-in. 912 00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:09,263 I want to be a principal character on your TV show." 913 00:39:09,305 --> 00:39:10,431 And he called me really quickly, 914 00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:11,515 it might have been that same night, 915 00:39:11,557 --> 00:39:13,142 and then he began mentoring me. 916 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:14,977 He had always made it very clear from the very beginning 917 00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:16,729 that I was gonna be written into the show 918 00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:18,481 when he introduced me to the producers 919 00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:19,857 and the directors, and the crew was like, 920 00:39:19,899 --> 00:39:21,776 "Oh, Lili Bernard's gonna be on the show. 921 00:39:21,817 --> 00:39:22,902 We're gonna write her in." 922 00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:25,696 Get a call from the agency 923 00:39:25,738 --> 00:39:28,240 that he wants to meet again. 924 00:39:28,282 --> 00:39:32,370 We meet, and he's like, "We're gonna do some improv work. 925 00:39:32,411 --> 00:39:34,413 And I'll just kind of prompt you." 926 00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:35,748 And I get nervous 927 00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:37,583 because I'm like, "I'm not an actress, 928 00:39:37,625 --> 00:39:39,085 and you're Bill Cosby. 929 00:39:39,126 --> 00:39:41,253 You know, what do you expect me to do? 930 00:39:41,295 --> 00:39:43,589 You know, I don't even have lines or anything. 931 00:39:43,631 --> 00:39:45,091 I don't know what I'm supposed to do." 932 00:39:45,132 --> 00:39:48,344 And that's when he walks over to the bar, 933 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,679 pours a shot, 934 00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:52,515 and then he walks back with it: 935 00:39:52,556 --> 00:39:55,059 "Take this. It'll loosen you up." 936 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:57,103 And the first thing out of my mouth is, 937 00:39:57,144 --> 00:39:58,729 "Well, I don't drink." 938 00:39:58,771 --> 00:40:01,232 And he's like, "Yeah, it's not that much. 939 00:40:01,273 --> 00:40:05,444 It'll just relax you, and then the lines will easily flow." 940 00:40:05,486 --> 00:40:08,531 Well, it is just a shot, and I think, "It's Bill Cosby, 941 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:10,116 and he knows best, 942 00:40:10,157 --> 00:40:13,077 and, you know, he has my best interests at heart." 943 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:14,662 So I take the shot. 944 00:40:14,703 --> 00:40:16,497 Takes the glass, walks back to the bar, 945 00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:18,624 and he pours a second shot. 946 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,584 And he's like, "This--it--trust me," 947 00:40:20,626 --> 00:40:24,839 kind of thing, so I go with it and take the second shot. 948 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,800 So then he starts kind of talking about improv. 949 00:40:27,842 --> 00:40:29,802 And he's talking about, you know, 950 00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:31,929 uh, techniques, I guess, for acting. 951 00:40:31,971 --> 00:40:34,849 I start realizing that it feels almost like 952 00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:37,143 the room is closing in. 953 00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:40,271 It's like his words are turning into, 954 00:40:40,312 --> 00:40:41,522 you know, Charlie Brown, 955 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,315 "Wah wa wah, wah wa wah." 956 00:40:43,357 --> 00:40:45,985 And the room is just kind of, like, almost darkening. 957 00:40:46,026 --> 00:40:47,820 He tells me to come and sit down. 958 00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:51,490 And-and I'm feeling almost a little unsteady 959 00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:55,244 but still trying to hold on to the words. 960 00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:58,581 And as I'm sitting there, he's stroking my head back 961 00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:01,083 like this, like, with my hair. 962 00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:02,168 He's stroking it back. 963 00:41:02,209 --> 00:41:04,170 And I'm just trying to understand, like, 964 00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,297 what does this have to do with improv? 965 00:41:06,338 --> 00:41:09,675 And then I remember walking 966 00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:13,012 in the hallway of the Elvis Suite. 967 00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:16,348 And it felt like I was just moving down the hallway, 968 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:17,808 almost floating. 969 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:19,477 Like, I didn't feel my feet. 970 00:41:19,518 --> 00:41:22,813 And that's kind of the last memory that I have 971 00:41:22,855 --> 00:41:25,149 of being at that Elvis Suite. 972 00:41:29,069 --> 00:41:31,322 I'm not interested in reliving the trauma. 973 00:41:31,363 --> 00:41:34,867 As you know, this is really difficult shit to talk about. 974 00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:37,828 And so when you talk about a time line, like... 975 00:41:39,246 --> 00:41:41,165 ...you know, it's, like, really specific. 976 00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:44,293 I may just talk about what it was like here or there, but... 977 00:41:46,045 --> 00:41:47,254 ...I'm not gonna sit here and analyze 978 00:41:47,296 --> 00:41:48,881 what happened to me like a time line. 979 00:41:48,923 --> 00:41:50,174 You know what I'm saying? 980 00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:52,426 So... 981 00:41:52,801 --> 00:41:54,887 After Bill Cosby drugged and raped me, 982 00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:56,805 told people about both of them, my agents and friends. 983 00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,475 And a few weeks later, you know, 984 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,227 The Cosby Show calls my agent, 985 00:42:01,268 --> 00:42:03,896 saying that my role is written, come on in. 986 00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:05,689 So that's just, like, literally, like, 987 00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:08,359 right after, you know, the last incident. 988 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,903 I think that he was probably hurrying up 989 00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:13,072 and giving me the role 990 00:42:13,113 --> 00:42:14,573 that he had promised me to kind of, like, 991 00:42:14,615 --> 00:42:16,825 try to shut me up or something, maybe? 992 00:42:18,118 --> 00:42:20,246 Yoo-hoo! Hello! 993 00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:27,419 What-what time is Mrs. Minifield's appointment? 994 00:42:27,461 --> 00:42:29,255 Eleven o'clock. 995 00:42:29,296 --> 00:42:31,882 It's 8:30. 996 00:42:33,425 --> 00:42:35,135 You're right on time. 997 00:42:35,844 --> 00:42:38,222 Because, like, some people have criticized me, 998 00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:40,140 "Well, why would you do the role?" 999 00:42:40,182 --> 00:42:42,893 Because I'm an actor, and it was work. 1000 00:42:42,935 --> 00:42:45,145 And it was work that I worked hard for 1001 00:42:45,187 --> 00:42:47,773 and I studied for it, and I prepared for it. 1002 00:42:47,815 --> 00:42:51,443 Bill Cosby is a very intelligent, 1003 00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:53,571 malignant narcissist. 1004 00:42:53,612 --> 00:42:55,781 And so he calculates, you know, 1005 00:42:55,823 --> 00:42:57,950 how to Hoover you in. 1006 00:42:57,992 --> 00:43:02,746 When I remember again, I'm at home. 1007 00:43:02,788 --> 00:43:04,957 The rest of it I didn't-don't remember. 1008 00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:06,792 I didn't know 'cause of the drugs, you know, 1009 00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:07,960 the side effects of the drugs. 1010 00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:09,753 I have no memory of it. 1011 00:43:09,795 --> 00:43:12,548 So what I remember is drinking the alcohol, 1012 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:14,466 the shots that he gave me, 1013 00:43:14,508 --> 00:43:16,635 and feeling like I had passed out 1014 00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:19,471 or gotten drunk 1015 00:43:19,513 --> 00:43:21,724 and-and don't recall. 1016 00:43:21,765 --> 00:43:23,809 And then I thought, "Oh, my gosh, 1017 00:43:23,851 --> 00:43:25,436 did I make a fool of myself?" 1018 00:43:25,477 --> 00:43:30,316 Well, surprisingly, Cosby calls me back. 1019 00:43:30,357 --> 00:43:31,775 He wants to meet again. 1020 00:43:31,817 --> 00:43:33,485 We go to his show. 1021 00:43:33,527 --> 00:43:36,864 I bring my mother, my sister, and her husband at the time. 1022 00:43:36,905 --> 00:43:39,158 Now Cosby's calling our house. 1023 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,494 He invited my mother and I out to UNLV. 1024 00:43:42,536 --> 00:43:46,165 He even referred to me as his daughter Lise. 1025 00:43:46,206 --> 00:43:48,792 "Oh, I'm out here with my daughter Lise." 1026 00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:50,961 So he invited my dad to the-to the set. 1027 00:43:51,003 --> 00:43:52,212 My dad came to the set. 1028 00:43:52,254 --> 00:43:55,215 My brothers and my cousins came to the set. 1029 00:43:55,257 --> 00:43:56,717 They met Bill Cosby. 1030 00:43:56,759 --> 00:43:58,177 And so he brings the family 1031 00:43:58,218 --> 00:44:00,304 into this whole process of mentoring. 1032 00:44:00,346 --> 00:44:03,182 So then when the-- when the motherfucker finally, 1033 00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,142 you know, gains your trust and drugs you and rape you, 1034 00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:06,935 now you gotta tell all these people 1035 00:44:06,977 --> 00:44:08,979 who got to know and love Bill Cosby too, 1036 00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:11,690 "Uh, Mom, Dad, uh, cousin, sister, uh, boyfriend, 1037 00:44:11,732 --> 00:44:13,484 uh, he actually raped me." 1038 00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:15,152 And they're like, "What? No." 1039 00:44:15,194 --> 00:44:16,695 That is just 1040 00:44:16,737 --> 00:44:18,322 his MO, right? 1041 00:44:18,364 --> 00:44:21,700 He tried several times for us to get together. 1042 00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:23,035 And every time, 1043 00:44:23,077 --> 00:44:25,788 I always seemed to have somebody with me. 1044 00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:31,210 I didn't understand it, didn't really know. 1045 00:44:31,251 --> 00:44:35,881 I just knew that if he called and he wanted to see me, 1046 00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:37,591 I took somebody with me. 1047 00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:40,094 Yoo-hoo! Hello! 1048 00:44:40,135 --> 00:44:42,763 It was the most difficult job 1049 00:44:42,805 --> 00:44:44,682 that I had ever had in my life. 1050 00:44:44,723 --> 00:44:47,267 It was very combative for me. 1051 00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:50,062 My boyfriend at the time came with me to the set 1052 00:44:50,104 --> 00:44:52,022 as, like, sort of "protection." 1053 00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:54,233 And so the two of us had to have lunch with him 1054 00:44:54,274 --> 00:44:56,819 in his dressing room during the whole week. 1055 00:44:58,278 --> 00:44:59,905 He was, like, tormenting me. 1056 00:44:59,947 --> 00:45:02,116 For example, when I had to say "milk," 1057 00:45:02,157 --> 00:45:05,077 "milk," he'd tell me, "No, say   milk!" 1058 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,831 Our baby has half my husband's genes. 1059 00:45:08,872 --> 00:45:10,332 And I'm making up for what he lacks 1060 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:14,670 by eating lots of calcium, cheese, milk. 1061 00:45:14,712 --> 00:45:17,256 "No, Mrs. Minifield says   milk." 1062 00:45:17,297 --> 00:45:19,383 Cheese, milk. 1063 00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:20,676 And I'd say "milk." 1064 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:21,719 And he'd, like, cut the cameras. 1065 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,761 He'd go into this little rage. 1066 00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:24,847 "I said, say   'milk!' Not 'milk.'" 1067 00:45:24,888 --> 00:45:26,515 And he'd get really, really angry. 1068 00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:29,768 The Wednesday night before taping, 1069 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:30,936 it was late at night, 1070 00:45:30,978 --> 00:45:32,438 something like around nine o'clock. 1071 00:45:32,479 --> 00:45:35,274 And we had a whole day of dress rehearsal on Wednesday. 1072 00:45:35,315 --> 00:45:38,277 And we were sitting at Dr. Huxtable's desk. 1073 00:45:38,318 --> 00:45:41,739 And Mr. C calls it a wrap, and I start leaving, 1074 00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:44,283 and he said, "No"-- he used to call me Bernard. 1075 00:45:44,324 --> 00:45:45,993 So he said, "No, Bernard, you're not done. 1076 00:45:46,034 --> 00:45:48,078 'Cause you're not hitting those notes. 1077 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,288 I want you to hit 'milk!'" 1078 00:45:49,329 --> 00:45:51,331 And he says, "You're coming with me." 1079 00:45:51,373 --> 00:45:52,958 I said, "I'm not going to your house, Mr.C, 1080 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,126 'cause you know what happened 1081 00:45:54,168 --> 00:45:55,252 the last time I went to your house. 1082 00:45:55,294 --> 00:45:56,462 I'm not going to your house again." 1083 00:45:56,503 --> 00:45:58,130 It started getting really tense. 1084 00:45:58,172 --> 00:45:59,673 The production crew started-- their faces started 1085 00:45:59,715 --> 00:46:02,217 to get red and kind of, like-- they start to kind of scatter 1086 00:46:02,259 --> 00:46:04,511 like cockroaches as he started to get rageful. 1087 00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:05,804 He says, "If you don't go to my house, Bernard, 1088 00:46:05,846 --> 00:46:07,139 I'm gonna fire you. I'm gonna fire you. 1089 00:46:07,181 --> 00:46:08,307 That's it, you're over. It's through." 1090 00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:09,892 And I said, "Well, fine, fire me." 1091 00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:13,145 So he slammed down his, um, pa--his script, and he said, 1092 00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:14,938 "This isn't about me trying to fuck your ass anymore, 1093 00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:16,440 Bernard, we're through." 1094 00:46:16,482 --> 00:46:18,150 I thought I was fired. 1095 00:46:18,192 --> 00:46:19,234 You know, and, like, six o'clock in the morning, 1096 00:46:19,276 --> 00:46:21,653 this car shows up at my house. 1097 00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:23,739 Oh, I guess I'm not fired, right? 1098 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,908 We filmed twice in front of a live audience, 1099 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,493 so there's hundreds of people there. 1100 00:46:27,534 --> 00:46:28,994 And there's a comic warming up the crowd. 1101 00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:30,287 There's music. 1102 00:46:30,329 --> 00:46:32,289 It's just a really-- a festive time. 1103 00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:33,582 And I'm sweating and perspiring, 1104 00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:34,583 and my legs are shaking. 1105 00:46:34,625 --> 00:46:35,667 I'm like, "How am I gonna-- 1106 00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:36,585 how am I gonna deliver these lines?" 1107 00:46:38,045 --> 00:46:40,422 Cheese, milk. 1108 00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:43,133 And as the audience is applauding, 1109 00:46:43,175 --> 00:46:45,010 he looked at me, and he said, 1110 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,929 "Fooled 'em again." 1111 00:46:50,057 --> 00:46:51,850 We thought we knew Cosby. 1112 00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:55,187 We never knew Cosby. 1113 00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:59,566 Heathcliff was the perfect body 1114 00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:03,028 to embody for him 1115 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:05,572 because his crimes were getting worse. 1116 00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:08,992 When you look at the number of stories 1117 00:47:09,034 --> 00:47:10,369 of women who've come forward 1118 00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:12,704 saying Bill Cosby assaulted or raped them 1119 00:47:12,746 --> 00:47:14,373 during this time 1120 00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:16,959 and then you look at the number of accolades he got, 1121 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,628 you see they skyrocketed together. 1122 00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:21,046 Around the same time 1123 00:47:21,088 --> 00:47:22,673 he released his book   Fatherhood 1124 00:47:22,714 --> 00:47:25,050 and Hollywood was crowning him with yet another Emmy 1125 00:47:25,092 --> 00:47:26,385 and two Golden Globes... 1126 00:47:26,426 --> 00:47:29,179 Bill Cosby. The Cosby Show. 1127 00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:31,348 He was guest-hosting The Tonight Show... 1128 00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:33,892 My next guest is a very talented actor. 1129 00:47:34,935 --> 00:47:36,186 ...and, according to many, 1130 00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:38,730 abusing his power behind the scenes. 1131 00:47:38,772 --> 00:47:40,482 I was raped, 1132 00:47:40,524 --> 00:47:43,902 and I was afraid for my life, thinking he could do more. 1133 00:47:43,944 --> 00:47:46,071 I informed a lawyer. 1134 00:47:46,113 --> 00:47:48,323 I informed a police officer. 1135 00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:50,617 But at the same time, I thought... 1136 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:57,249 "Will anybody believe me against him? No. 1137 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:00,711 Will I have the money to fight this, 1138 00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:03,797 such power and wealth? No." 1139 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:06,592 1140 00:48:06,633 --> 00:48:09,720 1141 00:48:09,761 --> 00:48:11,555 You were invited to his dressing room. 1142 00:48:11,597 --> 00:48:13,974 He was wearing a loosely tied robe. 1143 00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:16,560 What was his reaction when you wouldn't take the drink? 1144 00:48:16,602 --> 00:48:19,021 You know, physically, he got angry. He withdrew. 1145 00:48:19,062 --> 00:48:21,565 He kept pressing the drink towards me. 1146 00:48:21,607 --> 00:48:24,651 And I did refuse it, thank God. 1147 00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:27,905 Just maybe a few weeks before, I had been working with him 1148 00:48:27,946 --> 00:48:29,364 on set. 1149 00:48:29,406 --> 00:48:32,284 I did not take the drink. I was not drugged. 1150 00:48:32,326 --> 00:48:34,745 And I wasn't raped. My career was a victim. 1151 00:48:34,786 --> 00:48:39,958 1152 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,627 He was my acting coach. 1153 00:48:41,668 --> 00:48:44,630 He was my guardian. He was my father figure. 1154 00:48:44,671 --> 00:48:47,633 He got my mother to trust him so that when I was doing 1155 00:48:47,674 --> 00:48:52,304 acting exercises, he was drugging me, uh, 1156 00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:54,765 and the--I didn't know what was happening 1157 00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:56,141 at the beginning. 1158 00:48:56,183 --> 00:48:59,895 It wasn't until later on, I came out of it 1159 00:48:59,937 --> 00:49:01,980 a lot sooner than he thought I would, 1160 00:49:02,022 --> 00:49:04,900 and I was able to fight him off. 1161 00:49:04,942 --> 00:49:07,653 His last words to me were, "I'd better never, ever 1162 00:49:07,694 --> 00:49:09,237 see your face ever again." 1163 00:49:09,279 --> 00:49:14,493 1164 00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:20,666 The Cosby Show ended 1165 00:49:20,707 --> 00:49:23,794 on April 30, 1992. 1166 00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:25,045 It was the show 1167 00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:26,380 you planned your Thursdays around. 1168 00:49:26,421 --> 00:49:28,632 Now, after eight years of magical moments, 1169 00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:31,468 it's time to come back for the biggest one of all. 1170 00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:33,387 Join us one last time to say farewell 1171 00:49:33,428 --> 00:49:34,888 to an American tradition, 1172 00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:37,182 the final Cosby Show. 1173 00:49:37,224 --> 00:49:40,978 There were sort of two views of America 1174 00:49:41,019 --> 00:49:41,937 at that moment. 1175 00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:43,146 It was the Huxtable family 1176 00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:45,023 attending Theo's graduation... 1177 00:49:45,065 --> 00:49:47,359 Oh, boy, oh, boy. 1178 00:49:47,401 --> 00:49:50,195 ...and there were the riots after the officers 1179 00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:52,906 who beat Rodney King were acquitted. 1180 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,033 There is thick black smoke everywhere 1181 00:49:55,075 --> 00:49:57,619 from the hundreds of fires that have been set. 1182 00:49:57,661 --> 00:49:59,871 Eighteen confirmed deaths. 1183 00:49:59,913 --> 00:50:02,457 Schools are closed; UCLA is closed. 1184 00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:06,211 Today Mayor Tom Bradley urged everyone in Los Angeles 1185 00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:08,922 to remain home, to stay off the streets. 1186 00:50:08,964 --> 00:50:11,883 He also suggested they might want to watch   The Cosby Show. 1187 00:50:11,925 --> 00:50:13,677 It-it felt kind of perfect... 1188 00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:17,889 ...that as this utopia ends... 1189 00:50:19,933 --> 00:50:21,226 ...reality came crashing in. 1190 00:50:21,268 --> 00:50:23,562 And it felt, to me, like 1191 00:50:23,603 --> 00:50:25,439 when you're in a movie theater all day 1192 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,566 and it's air-conditioned and cool and great 1193 00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:30,694 and you walk outside and there's that gust of hot air. 1194 00:50:31,194 --> 00:50:34,573 Maybe a time to remember what Thursday nights were like 1195 00:50:34,614 --> 00:50:37,200 before all this madness began in Los Angeles. 1196 00:50:37,242 --> 00:50:39,911 We hope you use this hour to say goodbye and thanks 1197 00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:40,704 to a good friend. 1198 00:50:40,746 --> 00:50:43,623 1199 00:50:45,292 --> 00:50:47,461 Bill Cosby, here we go. 1200 00:50:50,047 --> 00:50:52,758 But Bill Cosby did not walk off into the sunset. 1201 00:50:52,799 --> 00:50:56,094 He was still one of the most powerful men in showbiz. 1202 00:50:56,136 --> 00:50:57,429 He wanted more. 1203 00:50:57,471 --> 00:50:59,598 Bill Cosby. Welcome... 1204 00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:00,849 Over the next six years, 1205 00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:02,851 he had five shows. 1206 00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:04,936 But nothing hits like The Cosby Show. 1207 00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:06,730 And even his CBS sitcom, Cosby, 1208 00:51:06,772 --> 00:51:09,524 that was on for four years is little-remembered. 1209 00:51:11,485 --> 00:51:13,111 The thing that people remember most 1210 00:51:13,153 --> 00:51:15,906 about that time is this. 1211 00:51:15,947 --> 00:51:18,450 A reminder today that any family 1212 00:51:18,492 --> 00:51:20,660 can be touched by violent crime. 1213 00:51:20,702 --> 00:51:22,245 No one is immune. 1214 00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:26,666 The son of American entertainment icon Bill Cosby 1215 00:51:26,708 --> 00:51:28,752 was murdered today in Los Angeles. 1216 00:51:30,545 --> 00:51:32,130 ...that Ennis had died? 1217 00:51:32,172 --> 00:51:34,132 Um... 1218 00:51:34,174 --> 00:51:35,467 well, I was asked to go home. 1219 00:51:35,509 --> 00:51:37,177 I know something awful happened. 1220 00:51:38,178 --> 00:51:41,014 And on my way out, someone told me. 1221 00:51:41,056 --> 00:51:42,974 Um, on my way out of the studio, 1222 00:51:43,016 --> 00:51:44,518 uh, Kaufman Astoria Studios, 1223 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,645 someone said, you know, this happened. 1224 00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:47,979 Okay. 1225 00:51:48,021 --> 00:51:49,731 I was walking to the studio, 1226 00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:51,858 and they were like, "Well, Dr. Cosby's not here. 1227 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,402 He's taking care of something. You know, it's an emergency." 1228 00:51:54,444 --> 00:51:55,821 I said, "Oh, okay." 1229 00:51:55,862 --> 00:51:56,988 I remember this day. 1230 00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:58,490 I walk back to my apartment, 1231 00:51:58,532 --> 00:52:00,659 and I turn on the TV, and I said, "Oh, shit." 1232 00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:03,495 It was just the report of his son being murdered 1233 00:52:03,537 --> 00:52:05,413 and the whole nine. 1234 00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:06,581 What have they told you, sir? 1235 00:52:06,623 --> 00:52:07,999 Anything at all? 1236 00:52:08,041 --> 00:52:10,127 He was my hero. 1237 00:52:10,168 --> 00:52:12,295 Eleven days after Ennis Cosby 1238 00:52:12,337 --> 00:52:13,839 was gunned down in Los Angeles, 1239 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,675 his father says it is time to heal, 1240 00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:18,009 to laugh again. 1241 00:52:18,051 --> 00:52:21,680 For Bill Cosby, that means plunging back into work. 1242 00:52:21,721 --> 00:52:24,516 The day that we, you know, came back, uh, 1243 00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:26,143 to work on Cosby, 1244 00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:29,688 he, uh, assembled us in the stands, 1245 00:52:29,729 --> 00:52:31,857 walked in, almost as if it was like, 1246 00:52:31,898 --> 00:52:34,192 "Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Cosby," 1247 00:52:34,234 --> 00:52:35,527 which was not unusual, 1248 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:37,654 because he always entered the room that way. 1249 00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:40,657 The next week, Cosby came back 1250 00:52:40,699 --> 00:52:44,703 and did a whole stand-up set on his son's burial. 1251 00:52:44,744 --> 00:52:47,539 He had people crying and laughing at the same time. 1252 00:52:47,581 --> 00:52:48,582 "They were struggling with, 1253 00:52:48,623 --> 00:52:49,916 'What should we bury him with?' 1254 00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:51,668 No, don't put that in there. What's wrong"-- 1255 00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:52,502 He killed it. 1256 00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:53,670 Now, most people would think, 1257 00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:56,715 "Man, too soon, too soon, bruh." 1258 00:52:56,756 --> 00:52:59,134 But he was explaining to us that as a comedian, 1259 00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:03,972 his job is to turn faces around 1260 00:53:04,014 --> 00:53:06,141 from this to happy. 1261 00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:08,226 And the only way to do that 1262 00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:10,395 is to go back to work. 1263 00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:13,523 When his son, Ennis, was murdered, 1264 00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:15,859 I felt great compassion for him 1265 00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:18,153 and for his wife. 1266 00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:19,404 And I remember thinking, 1267 00:53:19,446 --> 00:53:21,364 "No matter what you thought about this person 1268 00:53:21,406 --> 00:53:23,742 up until now, this is a horrible, tragic thing 1269 00:53:23,783 --> 00:53:25,493 to go through. 1270 00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:28,747 And surely this would be the kind of life event 1271 00:53:28,788 --> 00:53:30,582 that would make someone take stock 1272 00:53:30,624 --> 00:53:32,250 of what they were doing in their lives." 1273 00:53:32,292 --> 00:53:37,714 1274 00:53:39,966 --> 00:53:43,220 In 2004, the NAACP holds a dinner 1275 00:53:43,261 --> 00:53:46,598 to commemorate the Brown v. Board of Education decision, 1276 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,558 the decision that outlaws 1277 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,062 the legal segregation of schools. 1278 00:53:52,103 --> 00:53:55,148 The keynote speaker is Bill Cosby. 1279 00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:57,776 Bill Cosby does something nobody anticipates. 1280 00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:03,114 He gets up and delivers a harangue 1281 00:54:03,156 --> 00:54:05,575 against Black poor people. 1282 00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:09,037 And he says specifically 1283 00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:13,291 that they're not holding up their end of the bargain. 1284 00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:15,126 Telling us about where we went wrong, 1285 00:54:15,168 --> 00:54:17,796 what we need to do better, why we ain't shit. 1286 00:54:17,837 --> 00:54:20,465 Like, he just went through all of it, A to Z, 1287 00:54:20,507 --> 00:54:22,717 a read by Bill Cosby. 1288 00:54:35,355 --> 00:54:36,523 The Pound Cake speech. 1289 00:54:36,564 --> 00:54:39,526 Whew, this was intense. 1290 00:55:03,258 --> 00:55:06,761 He sounds like every other older Black gentleman 1291 00:55:06,803 --> 00:55:09,639 that I have encountered in my lifetime. 1292 00:55:09,681 --> 00:55:13,351 And the shock of it just seemed overblown to me. 1293 00:55:13,393 --> 00:55:16,688 The first time I heard about the Pound Cake speech, 1294 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:18,189 I think was from my mother. 1295 00:55:18,231 --> 00:55:19,482 She didn't like the way 1296 00:55:19,524 --> 00:55:21,318 he was saying the message either. 1297 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,611 But... 1298 00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:26,031 she was like, "Are you-are you listening?" 1299 00:55:26,072 --> 00:55:28,867 You know what I mean? Like, "This is... 1300 00:55:28,908 --> 00:55:30,618 this is how they think of you." 1301 00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:45,717 How do you go from being America's dad 1302 00:55:45,759 --> 00:55:49,721 to sounding like any white conservative politician, 1303 00:55:49,763 --> 00:55:52,932 you know, blaming Black people for everything 1304 00:55:52,974 --> 00:55:55,894 and not looking at all at any of the underlying 1305 00:55:55,935 --> 00:55:58,897 situations that have existed for decades and centuries? 1306 00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:00,982 After the speech that you did 1307 00:56:01,024 --> 00:56:03,985 and it was, uh, labeled controversial, 1308 00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:06,821 did you regret having done the speech? 1309 00:56:06,863 --> 00:56:08,740 No, no. 1310 00:56:08,782 --> 00:56:11,201 The only thing I regretted was, 1311 00:56:11,242 --> 00:56:14,245 I thought that I was talking to just my people. 1312 00:56:14,287 --> 00:56:15,830 Yeah. 1313 00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:17,749 For the first time in his career, 1314 00:56:17,791 --> 00:56:20,752 Bill Cosby divided the Black community. 1315 00:56:20,794 --> 00:56:22,837 It's on us. 1316 00:56:22,879 --> 00:56:26,007 To be fair, some Black folks loved it. 1317 00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:29,761 But many of us hated it and felt betrayed. 1318 00:56:29,803 --> 00:56:32,514 And it hurt even more when he wrote a book about it 1319 00:56:32,555 --> 00:56:35,392 and took this new act on the road. 1320 00:56:35,433 --> 00:56:36,935 What's the problem here? 1321 00:56:36,976 --> 00:56:40,105 Why are we worried about dirty laundry? 1322 00:56:40,146 --> 00:56:42,023 And also, looking back, just feels like 1323 00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,942 he was working through his own problems. 1324 00:56:43,983 --> 00:56:48,905 I'm talking about dead young males. 1325 00:56:48,947 --> 00:56:52,867 Believe a child when she says somebody's fondling her. 1326 00:56:53,993 --> 00:56:56,454 Bill Cosby turned this one speech 1327 00:56:56,496 --> 00:56:58,915 into the next phase of his career. 1328 00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:01,918 And a lot of the people who loved what he was saying 1329 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,462 did not have the best interests 1330 00:57:04,504 --> 00:57:06,214 of Black people at heart. 1331 00:57:06,256 --> 00:57:07,132 What are you gonna do about the war 1332 00:57:07,173 --> 00:57:08,633 in the inner city? 1333 00:57:08,675 --> 00:57:09,801 Well, one, about the war in in inner city, 1334 00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:11,386 number one is to get more moms and dads. 1335 00:57:11,428 --> 00:57:12,887 That's number one. 1336 00:57:12,929 --> 00:57:14,639 And thank heavens Bill Cosby said it like it was. 1337 00:57:14,681 --> 00:57:16,558 That's where the root of crime starts. 1338 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,811 By then, Bill Cosby's audience is not us. 1339 00:57:19,853 --> 00:57:23,064 Bill Cosby's audience is not just white 1340 00:57:23,106 --> 00:57:24,482 but white and elite. 1341 00:57:24,524 --> 00:57:26,067 He is making these arguments 1342 00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:28,945 in some of the most hostile spaces, 1343 00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,322 uh, to Black community and Black progress 1344 00:57:31,364 --> 00:57:32,824 and Black advancement. 1345 00:57:32,866 --> 00:57:35,952 And it felt like a violation of the community 1346 00:57:35,994 --> 00:57:38,830 that had helped legitimize him as America's dad. 1347 00:57:38,872 --> 00:57:42,250 There is a time, ladies and gentlemen, 1348 00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:45,670 when we have to turn the mirror around. 1349 00:57:45,712 --> 00:57:48,840 Meanwhile, in 2004, 1350 00:57:48,882 --> 00:57:51,509 the same year that he gives the Pound Cake speech 1351 00:57:51,551 --> 00:57:53,428 is the same year 1352 00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:58,183 that he is accused of having raped Andrea Constand. 1353 00:57:59,893 --> 00:58:03,396 The allegation was that he 1354 00:58:03,438 --> 00:58:06,983 drugged and sexually assaulted Andrea Constand 1355 00:58:07,025 --> 00:58:09,819 in his home. 1356 00:58:09,861 --> 00:58:13,198 For 25 years, I thought I was the only one 1357 00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,575 until Andrea Constand came forward. 1358 00:58:15,617 --> 00:58:16,951 Bill Cosby is the focus 1359 00:58:16,993 --> 00:58:19,120 of a police investigation near Philadelphia. 1360 00:58:19,162 --> 00:58:21,164 A Tampa University employee 1361 00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:22,499 accused Cosby... ...Accused Cosby 1362 00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:24,209 of drugging and molesting her. 1363 00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:28,213 In 2004, there were two stories about Bill Cosby. 1364 00:58:28,254 --> 00:58:31,549 One was about him shifting from being America's dad 1365 00:58:31,591 --> 00:58:33,718 to Black America's angry grandpa. 1366 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,887 You gotta straighten up your house. 1367 00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:37,388 And the other is about him being accused 1368 00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:38,890 of sexual assault. 1369 00:58:38,932 --> 00:58:40,850 Bill Cosby does not have to go to court 1370 00:58:40,892 --> 00:58:43,019 over charges of sexual misconduct. 1371 00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:45,188 And it stayed that way for a while, 1372 00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:47,815 these two sort of separate stories. 1373 00:58:49,234 --> 00:58:50,860 And it wasn't until ten years later 1374 00:58:50,902 --> 00:58:52,862 that somebody put those two stories together 1375 00:58:52,904 --> 00:58:54,405 in a way that we, the public, could finally 1376 00:58:54,447 --> 00:58:55,907 start to deal with. 1377 00:58:55,949 --> 00:58:57,033 More trouble for Bill Cosby... 1378 00:58:57,075 --> 00:58:58,493 And it wasn't a journalist. 1379 00:58:58,868 --> 00:59:01,287 Ironically, it was a Black stand-up comic 1380 00:59:01,329 --> 00:59:02,664 in Philadelphia, 1381 00:59:02,705 --> 00:59:04,082 Cosby's hometown. 106775

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