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IVINS: Previously on
The Hot Zone Anthrax.
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RYKER: The person who
called 911, Thomas Morris,
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he's dead, so is Joe Kercy.
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[shouting]
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This investigation now falls
under Operation Noble Eagle.
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MARA: I'm forwarding you Bruce's
email, so you be careful.
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When Bruce gets
into these moods,
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he sees everyone
around him as a threat.
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RYKER: So tell me more
about your lone wolf theory.
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TORETTI: All signs
point to our perp being a
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highly-educated
American citizen with
scientific expertise.
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HAIGWOOD: Bruce can snap.
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You don't know what
Bruce is capable of.
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FOLSON: So what should
I do with the report?
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MCALLISTER: Just file it.
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RYKER: The results
came back, it's Ames.
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CLEMONS: Ames strain?
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I didn't think it existed
outside of high security
research labs.
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RYKER: It doesn't.
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RUMSFELD: [over TV] This
administration is not afraid
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of saying the word Iraq.
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Iraq has been on the
terrorist list for years.
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RYKER: That's USAMRIID, one
of only 16 labs in the US that
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has the Ames strain which
means the anthrax came from
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the most respected
biodefense lab in the country.
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[distant sirens]
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[distant sirens]
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♪ ♪
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[overlapping chatter]
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[distant sirens]
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IVINS: Sometimes I go places.
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Bad neighborhoods
in Baltimore,
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hoping somebody
will pick a fight.
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No one's cleaning
up the streets.
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There's no justice out there.
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HALSTROM: Justice?
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Are you saying that you
carry a loaded weapon?
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Bruce, in those moments
are you considering
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doing bodily harm to someone?
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IVINS: People harm people
for bad reasons all the time.
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[scoffs]
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If I wanted to do real damage,
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every day I work
with deadly diseases
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no one's never even heard of,
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USAMRIID's full of them.
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One vial from my lab, I could
contaminate the water supply,
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wipe out a whole city.
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Obviously I'm not that person.
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I wanna help people and save
lives like my anthrax vaccine.
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Why don't they see that?
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HALSTROM: Who?
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IVINS: The FBI, they subpoenaed
anthrax samples from us.
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Keep poking on our labs
like we're the suspects, us,
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the good guys, when
there's terrorists out there.
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REPORTER: [over TV]
I'll tell you, Lisa,
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senators here on
Capitol Hill are frustrated
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by the FBI's sleepy response
to the anthrax attacks.
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Five Americans have
lost their lives and
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yet no terrorists
are in custody.
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COPAK: I'll make sure we get
a call on the Southwest today.
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RYKER: What's going on?
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POLK: Copak's adding two more
teams to the investigation.
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COPAK: Miller and Reilly,
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you'll join
Sykes' team as well.
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Senate just voted to
send our troops into Iraq,
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people's husbands,
sons, wives, daughters
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will be risking their
lives to fight terrorists.
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We owe it to them to find the
terrorists here on our soil.
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They've been out on
the streets too long.
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We need results.
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Everyone, run down your
own leads, stay in your lanes,
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too easy to influence
each other, pull focus.
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Whoever gets me
a smoking gun first
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I'm shifting all
resources to their team.
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America needs to see
someone in handcuffs
dragged into Guantanamo.
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[theme music playing]
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RYKER: I need to talk
to the head of the labs.
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Chris, why don't you
pull access records?
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MOORE: Okay.
I'll flag anybody who
was working unusual hours
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in BSL three and four around
the time of the mailing.
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RYKER: Yeah, start
with the day after 9/11.
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MOORE: After?
RYKER: Yeah.
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The powder in the attack
letter is cruder than in
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the second batch like
it was made in a hurry,
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probably in
response to the towers.
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LIVINGSTON: You're
turning the microscope
on the same scientist
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you're asking
help solve this.
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Got everybody on edge.
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RYKER: Dr. Livingston, why
did you team drag its feet
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submitting
samples under subpoena?
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LIVINGSTON: Do you have
any idea how overtaxed this
place has been since 9/11?
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RYKER: I got a
pretty good idea.
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LIVINGSTON: Our samples
should be arriving at
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your repository
in Arizona today.
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RYKER: Other labs submitted
to the subpoena days ago.
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LIVINGSTON: Yeah.
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I've spoken to
some of those labs.
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They don't have agents running
all over their facility.
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RYKER: Why do
you think that is?
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We wouldn't be here if
we didn't have evidence
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leading us back to USAMRIID.
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TORETTI: We're gonna
need to see psych evals on
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all personnel with
access to level three and
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level four hot suites.
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LIVINGSTON: Psych evaluations?
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I mean, we don't do those.
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TORETTI: You're telling me you
have scientists working with
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every lethal pathogen
on this planet,
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and no one ever
thought to monitor
their mental stability?
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[sighs]
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Okay, well, then we
need every personnel file.
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[sighs]
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[coins rattling]
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MOORE: I've got another one,
left the lab a little late,
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entered the hot suite alone,
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stayed for two hours.
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RYKER: Add the name.
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I'll go see if Dani has
flagged anyone on the list.
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[breathing heavily]
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KURZ: You delayed submitting
your anthrax samples for weeks.
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Arizona says you kept
calling for clarification
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on how to submit.
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IVINS: So?
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KURZ: So, it's
pretty simple, Bruce.
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IVINS: I sent in the samples.
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They should have them by now.
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KURZ: You used
the wrong slants.
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They won't accept it.
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IVINS: Because those generic
slants they want a malarkey,
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mine are better.
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LIVINGSTON: They
don't care, Bruce.
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IVINS: Well, they should care.
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Does no one give a darn
about quality anymore?
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KURZ: Just follow
their protocol, Bruce.
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You're making us look like
we've got something to hide.
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LIVINGSTON: I've
told Arizona to dispose
of your submissions.
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We've promised that
you would comply and
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re-submit right away.
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[laughs]
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IVINS: I'm
not surprised, Adya,
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since you've been
best buddies with
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every FBI agent
who's walked in here.
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LIVINGSTON: Jesus Christ.
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IVINS: I didn't wanna be the
one to tell you but people are
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beginning to wonder
what side you're on.
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KURZ: We're all
on the same side, Bruce.
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LIVINGSTON: We
should all be careful.
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These are not
glorified cops with badges.
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Some of these
agents are scientists.
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And if you don't submit,
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they will sweep in
and do it for you.
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HALSTROM: How's your anxiety?
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The Valium should help
get a handle on that.
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Have you noticed a difference
with the new dosage?
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IVINS: We're under attack!
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There's no meds
that will fix that!
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HALSTROM:
We're here to handle how you
react to those situations.
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And was Baltimore the only
long drive you've taken lately
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or have there been others?
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IVINS: We're
almost out of time.
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HALSTROM: You missed
group therapy twice.
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Were you on one
of your drives?
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IVINS: I went to see Mara.
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HALSTROM: You said she
lived in upstate New York.
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Why did you go see her?
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IVINS: I must
have been really mad.
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HALSTROM:
Did you have your gun?
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What did you do, Bruce?
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IVINS: I might have
put something in wine.
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But I didn't give it to her.
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I realized...
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It's like that poem,
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and all those emails,
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I find after
I've sent them and
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I don't remember.
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This is all
confidential, isn't it?
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HALSTROM: Yes.
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Unless I feel that you are
becoming a threat to yourself,
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or to others.
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TORETTI: Thank you
so much for agreeing to
sit down with me today.
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I understand how
disruptive this is.
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And I know you guys
are all professionals
protecting America and
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it's exactly what
this interview is
going to prove today.
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So let's start by
talking a little bit about
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some of your coworkers.
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Tell me about Dr. Kurz.
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Does he have any
connections overseas,
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maybe the Middle East?
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MAN: Not that I know of.
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He is very dedicated,
doesn't joke around much.
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TORETTI: What's it like, uh,
working for Dr. Livingston?
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Do you ever hear her
criticize the government?
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MAN 2: Well, no more
than anyone else nowadays.
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MAN 3: Not sure, uh,
honestly it took a while
to get to know her.
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MAN 4: She's made some amazing
breakthroughs here though.
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TORETTI:
I have heard nothing but good
things about, uh, Dr. Ivins.
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MAN: Ivins,
what can you say?
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MAN 3: Bruce is Bruce.
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He's always
quick with the joke,
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he's a seriously
good researcher.
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I had to cut this tree down in
my yard and who shows up on a,
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on a Saturday with a chainsaw.
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MAN: Helped me out with
some vaccine research.
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MAN 3: And nobody has
a better sense of humor.
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TORETTI:
I have heard nothing but good
things about Bruce Ivins.
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[clears throat]
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HALL: Bruce,
he's kind of a...
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I mean...
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[distant footsteps]
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Um, he's, uh,
how do I say it?
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[laughs]
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And odd duck?
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I don't know what to tell you.
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[laughs]
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[laughs]
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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TORETTI: Have you guys
come across Bruce Ivins?
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MOORE: Uh, yes, he was on
the late-night access list.
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RYKER: Why, did
he say something?
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TORETTI: I haven't
interviewed him yet but
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it's more what
everybody isn't saying.
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The men really love
this guy but there's
something with the women,
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and I've talked to several and
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he makes them
really uncomfortable.
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MOORE: Okay.
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So he's not exactly
smooth with the ladies,
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how does that
link him to terrorism?
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TORETTI: Well, it doesn't.
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I'm just looking for
any behavior that flags.
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Did you guys get
into the emails yet?
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RYKER: Yeah, they're
scattered in there.
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We have 20,000 of them.
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Server pulls them
in chronologically.
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[scoffs]
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Be my guest.
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[knocking]
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COPAK: Sykes, you up to
speed yet on Amerithrax?
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SYKES: I've been
following it for months, sir,
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glad to be on board.
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COPAK: Mm-hmm.
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SYKES: I just, uh, I'm
wondering if first team
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isn't maybe
veering off-course?
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Heard Ryker's been taking
up a lot of resources and...
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COPAK: We tend to be more direct
within these walls, Sykes.
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What do you got?
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SYKES: A tip from
some sources overseas.
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I know when they
were record sniffing.
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Take a look.
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If you see something there,
I wanna head up this team.
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You could put Ryker
back on petri dish duty.
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[sighs]
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TORETTI: I think I
just found something.
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MOORE: What's it say?
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RYKER: "I'm a little
dream self, short and stout.
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I'm the other half of
Bruce when he lets me out."
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TORETTI: Is that
good enough for you?
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Can I do a preliminary
inquiry now?
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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[plays off-pitch]
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[plays off-pitch]
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[plays off-pitch]
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[glass shattering]
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[plays off-pitch]
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[grunts]
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IVINS: Sorry, Helen.
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It's okay, I'll clean it up.
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It should be fine.
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[jet engine humming]
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[garbage truck rumbling]
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[glass rattling]
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[breathing heavily]
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[vacuum humming]
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TORETTI: I love it. You too?
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RYKER: Yeah, me too.
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That lone wolf
profile you sent to the
microbiology community.
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TORETTI: Yeah.
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RYKER: Remember that
hit we got in Seattle?
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Her name is
Dr. Nancy Haigwood.
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TORETTI: Thought
that was a dead end.
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RYKER: Yeah, so did the
superior who shelved it.
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But there was a newer agent
who did the right thing and
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tried to send it up
the chain but got shot down.
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The point is, Dr. Haigwood
claims that Bruce Ivins
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stalked her in grad school,
moved down the block from her,
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and even vandalized her house.
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And get this, at one point,
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her dissertation
notebook was stolen.
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And whoever took it left
a trail of clues for her
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to find it using
a USPS mailbox.
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[laughs]
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The problem is, all
of this is anecdotal.
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TORETTI: Oh, come on.
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He screwed up his
repository submissions.
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He's clocking
late night lab hours...
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RYKER: Mm-hmm.
TORETTI: Alone.
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RYKER: All at the time of
the attack letters but that
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doesn't get us into court.
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TORETTI: Well, I took
some of the emails home for
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little bedtime reading,
no comments please.
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This one, "My shrink says I have
a paranoid personality disorder,
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an early sign
of schizophrenia,
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I am becoming a person
I do not want to be."
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RYKER: No, what we need is
a direct link to the letters.
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TORETTI: The language in
his emails is eerily similar.
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There's another one
here to an old coworker,
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"Osama Bin Laden has
now decreed death on
all Jews and Americans."
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RYKER: Those letters were
published in all the papers.
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He could just be
mirroring the language.
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TORETTI: No, look at
the date, September 26.
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We didn't find the
first attack letters
until three weeks later.
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[gasps]
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[crashing]
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LIVINGSTON: Dammit, Bruce!
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You scared me.
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Now step back,
they're anthrax spores.
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IVINS: They have you working
on the vaccine, don't they?
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That used to be my job.
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A lot of changes around here.
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It's okay.
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I'm the one that
made you lose your grip.
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I'll clean it up.
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[overlapping chatter]
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RYKER: Does Copak know
you're circling USAMRIID?
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Do you even have a suspect or
328
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you're just throwing
a little gasoline on the weeds
329
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to see if any snakes
comes slithering out?
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SYKES: Eyes on
your own page, Ryker.
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We're all supposed to
follow our own lead so
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we don't influence each other.
333
00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:10,339
RYKER: That doesn't mean
pitching a circus tent in
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the middle of someone
else's investigation.
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♪ ♪
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LIVINGSTON:
No one thought this was
possible but you can see,
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plain as day, different
colonies of Ames with
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identifiable characteristics.
339
00:20:31,882 --> 00:20:33,754
RYKER: How did you
make the colonies morph?
340
00:20:33,841 --> 00:20:35,973
LIVINGSTON:
It wasn't intentional.
341
00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:38,367
It was one of our
ongoing anthrax projects,
342
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a colleague got busy,
the cultures overgrew.
343
00:20:42,023 --> 00:20:45,156
We never considered
incubation time as a factor.
344
00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:46,854
RYKER: Arizona's been trying
to sequence the genomes
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00:20:46,941 --> 00:20:50,292
all this time and you
just stumbled upon this?
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LIVINGSTON: Even with
all these minds and brains,
347
00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:56,690
accidents are often how the
biggest breakthroughs happen.
348
00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:59,301
RYKER: If we can identify
a specific morph in the spores
349
00:20:59,388 --> 00:21:01,825
of the attack letters then match
it to the subpoenaed samples,
350
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we've got our smoking gun.
351
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LIVINGSTON: Once I can
get back into the BSL4 lab,
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I will forward
you my findings.
353
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RYKER: What do you
mean back into the lab?
354
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LIVINGSTON:
Well, we had a spill.
355
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Bruce surprised me,
356
00:21:12,923 --> 00:21:14,534
I didn't see him so
I knocked over a tray.
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00:21:14,621 --> 00:21:16,318
RYKER: Wait.
Dr. Ivins was there?
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[sighs]
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00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:19,626
LIVINGSTON: He's been
pretty edgy lately,
360
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sees me as a traitor for
working with the Bureau.
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RYKER: Did he leave
the lab with you?
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00:21:24,718 --> 00:21:26,720
LIVINGSTON: No, he took it
upon himself to decon the area
363
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and some nearby offices.
364
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RYKER: Including his?
LIVINGSTON: Yeah.
365
00:21:30,376 --> 00:21:32,378
Brought in a whole team.
366
00:21:32,465 --> 00:21:36,251
It's a little overboard if
you ask me but that's Bruce.
367
00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:38,819
RYKER: Our number one
suspect just cleaned
up his own crime scene.
368
00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:40,864
I got to bring
in Ivins tonight.
369
00:21:40,951 --> 00:21:42,736
TORETTI: What? No.
370
00:21:42,823 --> 00:21:44,912
We don't have enough
ammo to confront him.
371
00:21:44,999 --> 00:21:48,437
RYKER: He could
literally be destroying
evidence as we speak.
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TORETTI: Let me just try to dig
up something from his past,
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something that can push
his buttons, uh, a motive.
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00:21:55,096 --> 00:21:57,490
RYKER: Go ahead and track down
his childhood sled if you want.
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If he knows
we're circling him,
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the cleanup
might not end here.
377
00:22:01,537 --> 00:22:03,670
He could head home and destroy
anything incriminating.
378
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:06,020
TORETTI: We may only have one
shot at a confession here and
379
00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:07,848
he is not primed for it.
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00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:09,545
RYKER: And if we
give him more time,
381
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we may lose any chance
we have at nailing him.
382
00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:15,377
He's making rash moves,
I'm ordering a polygraph.
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TORETTI: If you're
determined to do this,
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the way in has to be
through his hero's complex.
385
00:22:21,035 --> 00:22:22,689
He wants to
prove how smart he is.
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00:22:22,776 --> 00:22:24,212
We get him talking...
387
00:22:24,299 --> 00:22:25,169
RYKER: It's not my
first interrogation,
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00:22:25,256 --> 00:22:26,214
I got it.
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00:22:26,301 --> 00:22:28,172
[phone line rings]
390
00:22:28,259 --> 00:22:29,522
DISPATCH: [over phone]
Lebanon PD, how can I help?
391
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TORETTI: Agent
Toretti FBI here,
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I am looking for some
information on a former
resident, Bruce Ivins.
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I'd be interested in anything
from his early years in Ohio,
394
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should narrow your search
down to '50s and '60s.
395
00:22:41,621 --> 00:22:43,013
DISPATCH: [over phone]
I'll see what I can find.
396
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,624
TORETTI: Okay, um,
I'll actually hold.
397
00:22:44,711 --> 00:22:45,755
DISPATCH: [over phone]
No problem.
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[door opens]
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00:23:00,683 --> 00:23:02,990
RYKER: Dr. Ivins?
IVINS: Yeah.
400
00:23:12,869 --> 00:23:14,654
[clears throat]
401
00:23:17,657 --> 00:23:20,224
IVINS: [over TV] I
hear you're one of us.
402
00:23:20,311 --> 00:23:22,444
IVINS: A microbiologist.
403
00:23:22,531 --> 00:23:25,360
RYKER: I am.
404
00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:28,363
IVINS: A microbiologist
in the FBI.
405
00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:30,191
Neat.
406
00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,543
RYKER: Uh, before they
administer the polygraph,
407
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:36,632
I thought I'd ask you
a few questions about
408
00:23:36,719 --> 00:23:38,808
the samples you
submitted to us.
409
00:23:38,895 --> 00:23:41,202
IVINS: Oh, yeah.
410
00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:44,684
Well, I already got
an earful about my misstep.
411
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:47,774
RYKER: So you
intentionally submitted
412
00:23:47,861 --> 00:23:49,950
inadequate anthrax
samples under subpoena?
413
00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:52,300
IVINS: Yes.
414
00:23:52,387 --> 00:23:56,609
But only because
the slants you guys
requested were inferior.
415
00:23:56,696 --> 00:23:59,394
RYKER: And the weeks
leading up to September
18th, 2001, uh,
416
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the postmark date of
the first attack letter,
417
00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:07,054
did you work extra hours,
unaccompanied hours in the
418
00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:11,711
BSL4 lab with
Bacillus Anthracis Ames?
419
00:24:11,798 --> 00:24:15,149
IVINS: After 9/11 everyone
at USAMRIID was working late.
420
00:24:19,414 --> 00:24:21,547
RYKER: You recognize
this post office?
421
00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:24,463
IVINS: Yeah.
422
00:24:24,550 --> 00:24:26,726
RYKER: Did you ever purchase
pre-stamped envelopes
423
00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:28,815
at this post office?
424
00:24:28,902 --> 00:24:30,556
IVINS: A couple
of times I guess.
425
00:24:33,776 --> 00:24:38,259
RYKER: What about this email,
426
00:24:38,346 --> 00:24:41,392
referencing anthrax
and Saddam Hussein?
427
00:24:45,788 --> 00:24:47,747
IVINS: You read
my personal emails?
428
00:24:51,446 --> 00:24:53,013
You know that was a joke?
429
00:24:57,408 --> 00:24:59,019
RYKER: What about these?
430
00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:05,199
Did you do this, Dr. Ivins?
431
00:25:08,463 --> 00:25:10,421
IVINS: You talked to Nancy?
432
00:25:12,162 --> 00:25:13,468
[scoffs]
433
00:25:16,036 --> 00:25:19,561
How is a stupid thing
that I did 20 years ago
at all relevant?
434
00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:22,825
Okay. Fine, yes.
435
00:25:25,349 --> 00:25:29,484
When I was younger, I had
obsessive behaviors linked
to sororities specifically,
436
00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:31,312
Kappa Kappa Gamma, of which
437
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:33,140
Nancy Haigwood was an alumna.
438
00:25:35,055 --> 00:25:37,536
Is it peculiar? Yes.
439
00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:40,234
Can I explain it? Nope.
440
00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:45,065
Happy?
441
00:25:52,725 --> 00:25:54,944
You know, that's not
the only thing I did.
442
00:25:57,643 --> 00:26:01,255
RYKER: What else, Dr. Ivins?
443
00:26:01,342 --> 00:26:03,910
IVINS: I let myself
into a sorority house,
444
00:26:03,997 --> 00:26:06,347
two actually.
445
00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:10,656
I stole their ritual book
and a cypher to decode it.
446
00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:13,789
No one ever suspected me.
447
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,533
But I didn't hurt anyone.
448
00:26:21,884 --> 00:26:24,017
See, I'm not hiding anything.
449
00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:27,020
RYKER: Aren't you?
450
00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:29,457
Didn't you email a colleague,
451
00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:34,244
another friend on
numerous occasions
about a different, Bruce?
452
00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:37,726
Saying that you
were concerned about
your psychological state.
453
00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:44,298
Did you ever experience
extreme anxiety, dissociation?
454
00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:50,739
IVINS: I know
what you're doing.
455
00:26:55,309 --> 00:27:02,185
Look, I may not be
the most popular guy.
456
00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:06,668
There might even be
a few people who have said
I'm odd behind my back.
457
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:11,934
But does that
make me a killer?
458
00:27:12,021 --> 00:27:16,896
I mean, when are
you guys gonna realize
I'm here to help you?
459
00:27:23,032 --> 00:27:25,382
Yes. Fine, yes.
460
00:27:43,923 --> 00:27:45,881
How'd you even
end up doing this,
461
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:52,235
a microbiologist in the FBI?
462
00:27:52,322 --> 00:27:54,934
Pathogen biology is
a pretty competitive field.
463
00:27:55,021 --> 00:27:57,197
We can't all
be the ones making
scientific breakthroughs,
464
00:27:57,284 --> 00:27:58,851
I suppose, but.
465
00:27:58,938 --> 00:28:00,374
RYKER: I wanted
to serve my country.
466
00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:04,595
IVINS: Is that what
you tell yourself?
467
00:28:08,164 --> 00:28:10,297
IVINS: [over TV]
Because I can't
imagine going in and see...
468
00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:12,038
MOORE: Ryker's already
burned through most of
what we've got on him.
469
00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:13,387
IVINS: [over TV]
Of wearing a suit at a desk.
470
00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:15,171
MOORE: You know,
silver bullets.
471
00:28:15,258 --> 00:28:16,390
RYKER: [over TV]
That's not for everybody.
472
00:28:16,477 --> 00:28:18,218
IVINS: [over TV] Oh, okay.
473
00:28:18,305 --> 00:28:20,394
TORETTI: Maybe a splinter,
enough to irritate him and
474
00:28:20,481 --> 00:28:22,135
get his walls down.
475
00:28:22,222 --> 00:28:24,441
IVINS: [over TV]
I am curious, though.
476
00:28:24,528 --> 00:28:27,880
What went wrong with your
dissertation, Agent Ryker?
477
00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:30,186
IVINS: Mistaking a eukaryotic
cell for a prokaryotic?
478
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,667
[laughter]
479
00:28:34,321 --> 00:28:36,671
I knew plenty of guys
like you in college.
480
00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:39,413
RYKER: Is that right?
IVINS: Oh, yeah.
481
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:41,937
TORETTI: Ivins is
feeling empowered.
482
00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:43,852
IVINS: [over TV] I can
tell half a dozen in the
halls around the labs...
483
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:46,202
TORETTI: He should get him to
open up and if he loosens up
484
00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:48,509
then maybe I can get some
answers about his past.
485
00:28:48,596 --> 00:28:52,774
IVINS: [over TV] This guy
is just, you know, smart.
486
00:28:52,861 --> 00:28:55,298
IVINS: But it didn't matter
how hard they studied,
487
00:28:55,385 --> 00:28:58,911
they just didn't
have the imagination.
488
00:29:01,087 --> 00:29:04,873
It does take
a unique blend of talents,
489
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,400
plus a willingness to
skate on the edge which
490
00:29:10,487 --> 00:29:12,576
I'm guessing is
difficult for you.
491
00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:20,106
But hey, would a sane
person tie a key to
a kite in a thunderstorm?
492
00:29:23,022 --> 00:29:24,458
RYKER: You know that
Franklin didn't actually
493
00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:26,852
fly the kite in
that storm, right?
494
00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:28,505
He had his son do it.
495
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,945
Even noble people do
unforgivable things,
496
00:29:33,032 --> 00:29:34,642
don't they?
497
00:29:36,296 --> 00:29:39,429
IVINS: You're
missing my point.
498
00:29:39,516 --> 00:29:42,345
Are you familiar with
the Stentor Roeselii?
499
00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:46,132
It's a single-celled
ciliate micro-organism
capable of making intelligent,
500
00:29:46,219 --> 00:29:48,047
complex decisions
all without the help
501
00:29:48,134 --> 00:29:50,440
of a central nervous system.
502
00:29:50,527 --> 00:29:53,269
Zero support.
503
00:29:53,356 --> 00:29:57,012
No other organism on earth
has such an innate gift.
504
00:29:57,099 --> 00:29:59,885
RYKER: Is that how
you see yourself?
505
00:29:59,972 --> 00:30:03,845
Some sort of
gifted Stentor Roeselii?
506
00:30:03,932 --> 00:30:07,196
What does that
make guys like me?
507
00:30:07,283 --> 00:30:10,547
IVINS: Plasmodial slime mold?
508
00:30:10,634 --> 00:30:14,595
Think about it,
I know most Americans
aren't paying attention,
509
00:30:14,682 --> 00:30:18,729
but you guys had signs,
that 9/11 was gonna happen.
510
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:23,909
Flight lessons, a warning
of an attack on New York.
511
00:30:23,996 --> 00:30:26,781
And now, you can't figure
out who sent these letters.
512
00:30:26,868 --> 00:30:28,652
[coins rattling]
513
00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:31,438
All the hours you put in
and you just can't measure up.
514
00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:33,440
[jet engine rumbling]
515
00:30:33,527 --> 00:30:39,446
So instead, you are harassing
hard-working patriots like me.
516
00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:47,628
Have you even done
your homework, Agent Ryker?
517
00:30:47,715 --> 00:30:51,980
I mean, what
about Thompson, Benjadi,
518
00:30:52,067 --> 00:30:53,634
or even Kurz?
519
00:30:55,375 --> 00:30:57,594
There are plenty of
people with my same access.
520
00:30:57,681 --> 00:31:00,728
RYKER: But they
didn't point the finger at
their colleagues, did they?
521
00:31:00,815 --> 00:31:03,992
You're the only doing that.
522
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:05,689
RYKER: [over TV]
Here's what I think.
523
00:31:05,776 --> 00:31:08,431
TORETTI: No. No. No, no.
524
00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:09,955
RYKER: [over TV] Just like
the clue you left Haigwood
to find her notebook...
525
00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:13,175
RYKER: I think you
wanna be found out.
526
00:31:13,262 --> 00:31:15,612
This is some sort of
twisted experiment, isn't it?
527
00:31:15,699 --> 00:31:17,397
[door opens]
528
00:31:17,484 --> 00:31:19,268
TORETTI: [over TV]
Uh, sorry, Agent Ryker.
529
00:31:19,355 --> 00:31:20,356
Sorry I'm late.
530
00:31:20,443 --> 00:31:21,836
RYKER: Oh, it's okay.
531
00:31:21,923 --> 00:31:23,751
We have a few
more questions to go.
532
00:31:23,838 --> 00:31:27,102
TORETTI:
Good, I have another one,
if that's all right.
533
00:31:27,189 --> 00:31:31,280
TORETTI: Mr. Ivins...
IVINS: Doctor.
534
00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:33,543
It's Dr. Ivins.
535
00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:35,328
And you are who again?
536
00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:37,417
TORETTI: Oh, I'm just
another hunk of slime mold.
537
00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:41,595
Doctor Ivins,
in your own words,
538
00:31:41,682 --> 00:31:43,597
can you describe
your childhood for me?
539
00:31:46,382 --> 00:31:48,863
IVINS: I don't see what that
has to do with any of this.
540
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:51,822
TORETTI:
Maybe it's better we focus
on one event in particular.
541
00:31:55,174 --> 00:31:57,002
The police responded to a
542
00:31:57,089 --> 00:31:59,352
domestic disturbance
to your house.
543
00:32:02,007 --> 00:32:03,878
Did you witness
your mother's attack?
544
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:12,974
IVINS: This was an accident.
545
00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:18,153
TORETTI: Neighbors described
your mother as unpredictable,
irrational, and violent.
546
00:32:25,421 --> 00:32:27,380
You were there,
weren't you, Bruce?
547
00:32:34,126 --> 00:32:35,910
IVINS: Are we
almost done here?
548
00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:37,477
TORETTI: Childhood trauma
can have a lasting effect
549
00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:40,654
on a person.
550
00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:43,222
Did your mother
ever hurt you, Bruce?
551
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:50,707
IVINS: My mother loved me.
552
00:32:50,794 --> 00:32:52,971
She loved me very much.
553
00:32:58,324 --> 00:33:04,721
♪ ♪
554
00:33:13,469 --> 00:33:15,080
OPERATOR: Now, Doctor Ivins,
555
00:33:15,167 --> 00:33:16,690
you understand that
your appearance here today
556
00:33:16,777 --> 00:33:18,909
and taking this
polygraph test is voluntary?
557
00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,389
IVINS: Yes.
558
00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:31,444
OPERATOR: To
establish a baseline,
559
00:33:31,531 --> 00:33:33,924
is your name
Bruce Edwards Ivins?
560
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,752
IVINS: Yes.
561
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:37,493
OPERATOR: Were you
born in Lebanon, Ohio?
562
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:41,106
IVINS: Yes.
OPERATOR: Hmm. Okay.
563
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,766
OPERATOR: [over TV]
Now, we are going to run
something called a stim test.
564
00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,594
IVINS: To measure
my adrenal response.
565
00:33:51,681 --> 00:33:53,031
OPERATOR: I'm
gonna need you to lie
566
00:33:53,118 --> 00:33:54,858
when you answer
my next question.
567
00:33:54,945 --> 00:33:56,643
That will give us indicators
to look for if you lie in
568
00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:59,428
response to a later question.
569
00:33:59,515 --> 00:34:01,039
IVINS: But I'm not
gonna lie to you.
570
00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:05,173
OPERATOR: Are you
a time traveler?
571
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:07,915
[laughs]
572
00:34:08,002 --> 00:34:12,093
IVINS: Sorry. Yes,
I am a time traveler.
573
00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:16,880
OPERATOR: Last
question, Doctor Ivins.
574
00:34:16,967 --> 00:34:21,363
In the fall of 2001,
did you mail letters
containing Anthrax via the
575
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:23,757
United States Postal Service?
576
00:34:27,369 --> 00:34:29,110
IVINS: No.
577
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,467
[clears throat]
578
00:34:40,948 --> 00:34:42,906
TORETTI: You get
any hits off him?
579
00:34:42,993 --> 00:34:45,126
OPERATOR:
We got a good read on the
baseline for comparison.
580
00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:47,563
RYKER: Where did he lie?
581
00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:50,044
OPERATOR: Some lines
indicated elevated stress,
582
00:34:50,131 --> 00:34:52,090
but no answer
showed deception.
583
00:34:55,136 --> 00:34:58,052
RYKER: What about
when you asked if he
mailed the attack letters?
584
00:34:58,139 --> 00:35:01,099
OPERATOR: No, it looks
like he's not your guy.
585
00:35:10,412 --> 00:35:15,678
[birds chirping]
586
00:35:32,478 --> 00:35:35,133
[bike wheels rattling]
587
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:41,530
WOMAN: So, I told him
exactly what I thought.
588
00:35:41,617 --> 00:35:45,665
That he wasn't
supporting me in my decision.
589
00:35:45,752 --> 00:35:48,407
I used exactly the words
that we discussed and
590
00:35:48,494 --> 00:35:50,365
you know what?
591
00:35:50,452 --> 00:35:52,802
He shut his trap for
the rest of the night.
It worked.
592
00:35:52,889 --> 00:35:54,369
MAN: Oh.
593
00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:55,327
WOMAN 2: That's
really great to hear.
594
00:35:55,414 --> 00:35:56,545
WOMAN 3: Yeah.
595
00:35:56,632 --> 00:36:00,288
HALSTROM: Bruce? Bruce?
596
00:36:00,375 --> 00:36:02,508
Would you like to
tell us about your week?
597
00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:09,471
IVINS: Yeah,
it was wonderful.
598
00:36:09,558 --> 00:36:12,300
Very productive.
599
00:36:12,387 --> 00:36:14,781
[overlapping chatter]
600
00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:18,698
TORETTI: Ryker, I made some
calls and it's debatable.
601
00:36:18,785 --> 00:36:20,787
It, it's not the easiest
to trick a poly.
602
00:36:20,874 --> 00:36:23,137
Unless he's a
complete sociopath.
603
00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:27,228
RYKER: Hmm.
What's your gut say?
604
00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:30,971
TORETTI: I think he
felt like he had the
upper hand with you.
605
00:36:31,058 --> 00:36:33,016
That might have
put him at ease and
606
00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:34,714
thrown his vitals off.
607
00:36:34,801 --> 00:36:36,194
RYKER: So, you're
saying I screwed up?
608
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,457
TORETTI: No, it
was a solid tactic,
609
00:36:38,544 --> 00:36:41,068
but I think it is
safe to say that your
cracks were showing through
610
00:36:41,155 --> 00:36:43,026
that perfectly
pressed suit of yours.
611
00:36:46,421 --> 00:36:48,510
COPAK: All right, Sykes,
what do you got?
612
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:52,819
TORETTI: Who the hell is that?
613
00:36:52,906 --> 00:36:55,474
SYKES: Steven Hatfill
received his medical
training in Africa.
614
00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:57,998
Hatfill just happened to be on
the ground in Rhodesia during
615
00:36:58,085 --> 00:37:00,914
the most deadly Anthrax
outbreak in recent history.
616
00:37:01,001 --> 00:37:03,351
He trained first responders
on bioweapon threats,
617
00:37:03,438 --> 00:37:07,312
which would include anthrax.
618
00:37:07,399 --> 00:37:09,836
RYKER: Do you have
a direct link between
Hatfill and the letters?
619
00:37:09,923 --> 00:37:12,491
It says right here
he's a virologist.
620
00:37:12,578 --> 00:37:14,493
A virus guy, not bacteria.
621
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:17,235
SYKES: About his
science background,
622
00:37:17,322 --> 00:37:21,848
Mr. Hatfill claimed
to have a degree that
there's no record of.
623
00:37:21,935 --> 00:37:23,676
And to be a part of
a royal medical society
624
00:37:23,763 --> 00:37:26,156
that hasn't heard of him.
625
00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:29,464
RYKER: A few people in
this room have resumes that
look better than reality.
626
00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:32,467
You can't just pick up
anthrax at a local drugstore.
627
00:37:32,554 --> 00:37:34,513
Do we have proof that
he had access to it?
628
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,429
SYKES: Actually, Hatfill
did work at USAMRIID.
629
00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:39,344
For two years.
630
00:37:39,431 --> 00:37:41,520
Now, we don't know yet what
Hatfill had access to then,
631
00:37:41,607 --> 00:37:44,479
but we do know
that he tried to get
higher security clearances.
632
00:37:44,566 --> 00:37:46,786
One of which was
suspended before 9/11.
633
00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:49,179
REILLY: And if he wasn't
handling deadly bacteria,
634
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,746
wanna tell me why
he was taking Cipro at
635
00:37:50,833 --> 00:37:52,705
the time the attack
letters were mailed?
636
00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:56,361
COPAK: All right.
Our top suspect is Hatfill.
637
00:37:56,448 --> 00:37:58,450
Ryker, I'm putting
you on Sykes' team.
638
00:37:58,537 --> 00:38:00,452
He's short a science guy.
639
00:38:00,539 --> 00:38:02,280
TORETTI: Does that include me?
640
00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:05,370
COPAK: No, he's already
got a behavioral analyst.
641
00:38:05,457 --> 00:38:07,197
Head up to the fifth
floor for reassignment.
642
00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:08,547
You too, Agent Moore.
643
00:38:10,157 --> 00:38:12,986
COPAK: Well done.
SYKES: Thank you, sir.
644
00:38:13,073 --> 00:38:15,989
RYKER: I'm staying on Ivins.
MOORE: Really?
645
00:38:16,076 --> 00:38:18,818
I mean, the guy
passed his polygraph
like a valedictorian.
646
00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:20,385
RYKER: They don't have any
more on Hatfill than we do
647
00:38:20,472 --> 00:38:22,517
on Ivins and the
science doesn't add up.
648
00:38:22,604 --> 00:38:24,302
TORETTI: But, you know, if
they make Hatfill the target,
649
00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:26,042
we are gonna catch hell
for veering off course.
650
00:38:26,129 --> 00:38:27,914
RYKER: No, I'll be
the one to catch hell
651
00:38:28,001 --> 00:38:29,611
because I'm the only
one who is reassigned.
652
00:38:29,698 --> 00:38:31,265
TORETTI: All right. I'm in.
653
00:38:38,098 --> 00:38:40,143
MOORE: What's the plan?
654
00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:46,367
RYKER: What do you think about
seeing if one of the people
655
00:38:46,454 --> 00:38:49,065
that Bruce
confided in, emailed,
656
00:38:49,152 --> 00:38:51,938
would be willing
to contact him?
657
00:38:52,025 --> 00:38:53,461
TORETTI: I don't think
he's gonna confess like that,
658
00:38:53,548 --> 00:38:55,681
but it is worth a shot.
659
00:38:55,768 --> 00:38:58,161
RYKER: Chris, I need
you to surveil him.
660
00:38:58,248 --> 00:39:00,033
See what he does
in his downtime.
661
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,513
Especially if he thinks he
sailed through the polygraph,
662
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,731
he might make
a misstep we can use.
663
00:39:02,818 --> 00:39:04,080
MOORE: Okay.
664
00:39:04,167 --> 00:39:06,344
TORETTI: And what about you?
665
00:39:06,431 --> 00:39:08,694
RYKER: Looks like I'm
stuck playing science guy for
666
00:39:08,781 --> 00:39:10,348
Sykes's wild goose chase.
667
00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:14,003
I'll check in when I can.
668
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:15,265
TORETTI: All right.
669
00:39:21,794 --> 00:39:28,583
[keyboard clicking]
670
00:39:36,286 --> 00:39:43,119
♪ ♪
671
00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:46,122
[laughs]
672
00:39:48,908 --> 00:39:55,784
[helicopter humming]
673
00:39:55,871 --> 00:39:57,220
REPORTER: Excuse me, sir.
674
00:39:57,307 --> 00:39:58,657
Have you found
the Anthrax Killer?
675
00:39:58,744 --> 00:40:02,791
[helicopter humming]
676
00:40:02,878 --> 00:40:05,011
Is the suspect
in custody, sir?
677
00:40:05,098 --> 00:40:07,056
REPORTER 2:
The citizens deserve to
know, are we in danger, sir?
678
00:40:07,143 --> 00:40:10,320
RYKER: Another inexplicable
leak to the press,
679
00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:12,758
complete with a circus.
680
00:40:12,845 --> 00:40:14,847
You're going to let the
public indict this guy before
681
00:40:14,934 --> 00:40:16,979
we have any physical evidence?
682
00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:18,894
Where is Hatfill, anyway?
683
00:40:18,981 --> 00:40:21,114
SYKES: Got him at a motel.
684
00:40:21,201 --> 00:40:22,332
He thinks we're
doing this to everyone
who's worked at USAMRIID.
685
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,813
Come on.
686
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:26,293
Meet Tinkerbell
and her cohort.
687
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,470
[dogs whining]
688
00:40:29,557 --> 00:40:31,124
Let's give them the scent.
689
00:40:32,604 --> 00:40:35,433
[helicopter humming]
690
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,829
RYKER: I just need
visual confirmation
on air sample 23-Q37
691
00:40:40,916 --> 00:40:43,266
from the letter that
Senator Daschle received.
692
00:40:43,353 --> 00:40:45,094
SYKES: Confirmed.
693
00:40:55,365 --> 00:40:57,672
RYKER: All right, boys.
694
00:40:57,759 --> 00:40:58,891
There you go.
695
00:40:58,978 --> 00:41:01,241
[sniffing]
696
00:41:01,328 --> 00:41:03,069
Okay.
697
00:41:03,156 --> 00:41:04,374
MAN: All right, boy,
you got it.
698
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:05,637
Find it, find it.
699
00:41:13,993 --> 00:41:20,782
♪ ♪
700
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,708
[sniffing]
701
00:41:33,795 --> 00:41:34,840
[barking]
702
00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:36,189
SYKES: What do you know?
703
00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,844
[barking]
704
00:41:38,931 --> 00:41:39,888
RYKER: Hatfill's place.
705
00:41:39,975 --> 00:41:41,847
[barking]
706
00:41:41,934 --> 00:41:42,848
SYKES: Suit up.
707
00:41:42,935 --> 00:41:46,591
[barking]
708
00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:54,207
HATFILL: So, I'm in
the back of a truck in
freakin' Rhodesia, right?
709
00:41:54,294 --> 00:41:56,514
And who ambushes us?
710
00:41:56,601 --> 00:41:58,167
Marxist rebels.
711
00:41:58,254 --> 00:41:59,517
REILLY: You're kidding me.
712
00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:00,866
HATFILL: What
choice do I have?
713
00:42:00,953 --> 00:42:02,520
I leap off the
back of a truck,
714
00:42:02,607 --> 00:42:04,783
but I forget that
I have a pack on,
715
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:07,437
I fall flat on my face
and break my damn nose!
716
00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:08,961
[laughs]
717
00:42:09,048 --> 00:42:10,440
I, I couldn't
breathe right for years!
718
00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:12,051
[phone beeps]
719
00:42:12,138 --> 00:42:14,357
I just went under for sinus...
720
00:42:18,971 --> 00:42:21,016
That's my house.
721
00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:22,452
REPORTER: [over TV]
Ongoing since October.
722
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,933
HATFILL: You said
routine search.
723
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:26,848
REPORTER 2: [over TV]
Agents in Hazmat suits
are searching the home
724
00:42:26,935 --> 00:42:30,025
of the person of interest
in the Anthrax murders.
725
00:42:30,112 --> 00:42:34,334
We haven't been able to
get confirmation or more
details from the FBI,
726
00:42:34,421 --> 00:42:36,336
but this could be the first
real breakthrough we've seen
727
00:42:36,423 --> 00:42:38,904
on the Amerithrax
case in months.
728
00:42:38,991 --> 00:42:41,646
REPORTER 3: [over TV]
A new development in
the Anthrax investigation,
729
00:42:41,733 --> 00:42:44,257
FBI agents today
searched the home of
730
00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:47,608
a former government
researcher Steven Hatfill
731
00:42:47,695 --> 00:42:50,176
is a specialist in
infectious diseases
732
00:42:50,263 --> 00:42:52,874
who's done research for the
government since the '80s.
733
00:42:55,007 --> 00:42:57,313
MAN: Got it, pulled
up a photography unit
right out front, so.
734
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,924
MAN 2: Yeah.
735
00:42:59,011 --> 00:43:01,753
Second degree until
something's detected.
736
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,233
WOMAN: We might
need to process this.
737
00:43:06,061 --> 00:43:07,976
RYKER: None of our rapid
test are picking up spores.
738
00:43:09,978 --> 00:43:11,676
In fact, we're not finding
anything that points to where
739
00:43:11,763 --> 00:43:13,634
Hatfill cultured his Anthrax.
740
00:43:15,288 --> 00:43:16,855
So, what do you think?
741
00:43:16,942 --> 00:43:19,771
He's got some sort of
secret lair somewhere?
742
00:43:19,858 --> 00:43:21,903
SYKES: No, a storage unit.
743
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:24,210
We're trying to locate
it and get a warrant.
744
00:43:24,297 --> 00:43:27,039
WOMAN: Agent Sykes?
SYKES: Yeah, what do you got?
745
00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:29,694
WOMAN: It's an
unpublished novel.
746
00:43:29,781 --> 00:43:31,609
There's a synopsis.
747
00:43:31,696 --> 00:43:33,436
It's about a terrorist who
unleashes a deadly plague
748
00:43:33,523 --> 00:43:35,438
on Washington D.C.
749
00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:48,147
[birds chirping]
750
00:43:56,938 --> 00:44:03,641
♪ ♪
751
00:44:21,006 --> 00:44:25,837
IVINS: Excuse me,
where's the computer?
752
00:44:25,924 --> 00:44:28,535
LIBRARIAN: FBI took it.
753
00:44:28,622 --> 00:44:31,320
Saved up a year
to upgrade those.
754
00:44:44,072 --> 00:44:45,639
LIVINGSTON: [over phone]
Hi, Agent Ryker,
755
00:44:45,726 --> 00:44:49,164
this is Dr. Livingston.RYKER: Hmm. Yes?
756
00:44:49,251 --> 00:44:51,210
LIVINGSTON: [over phone]
Just got off the phone with
the repository in Arizona.
757
00:44:51,297 --> 00:44:53,516
They ran our new morph test on
samples from different labs,
758
00:44:53,603 --> 00:44:54,779
USAMRIID's among them.
759
00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:56,737
Everything came up negative.
760
00:44:56,824 --> 00:44:59,479
RYKER: All the
USAMRIID samples?
761
00:44:59,566 --> 00:45:01,916
LIVINGSTON: [over phone]
None were a match to the
Anthrax used in the letters.
762
00:45:02,003 --> 00:45:04,832
Hope that answers
any questions about
the integrity of our team.
763
00:45:08,923 --> 00:45:14,233
RYKER: Thank you, um,
I'll, uh, I'll be in touch.
764
00:45:19,107 --> 00:45:21,588
SYKES: We got the
warrant for the storage unit.
765
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:30,118
[clock ticking]
766
00:45:35,515 --> 00:45:38,605
[overlapping chatter]
767
00:45:47,005 --> 00:45:52,358
♪ ♪
768
00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:57,580
[overlapping chatter]
769
00:46:06,328 --> 00:46:13,031
♪ ♪
770
00:46:24,433 --> 00:46:31,136
[ventilated breathing]
771
00:46:43,061 --> 00:46:47,021
[grunting]
772
00:46:47,108 --> 00:46:49,763
[thunder rumbling]
773
00:47:02,297 --> 00:47:09,087
♪ ♪
774
00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:31,979
♪ ♪
775
00:47:48,343 --> 00:47:54,436
♪ ♪
776
00:47:56,351 --> 00:47:57,787
SYKES: Holy crap.
777
00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,659
Hatfill has a
map to Camp David.
778
00:48:02,227 --> 00:48:06,579
[clicking]
779
00:48:17,242 --> 00:48:18,939
RYKER: I got one here, too.
780
00:48:19,026 --> 00:48:21,942
[clicking]
781
00:48:27,165 --> 00:48:30,559
RYKER: It's hand drawn,
don't know by whom,
782
00:48:30,646 --> 00:48:33,040
but it looks like
it leads to a remote
location in the woods.
783
00:48:34,912 --> 00:48:36,739
SYKES: You still think
we got the wrong guy?
784
00:48:39,873 --> 00:48:46,532
♪ ♪
785
00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:56,890
[music plays through credits].
786
00:49:27,486 --> 00:49:28,791
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