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peaceful, otherworldly music
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[newsman]It is very rare
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for thousands of people seeingthe same light at the same time.
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[Fife Symington]I always referto it as otherworldly.
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That was the feeling, you know,when you watch this thing
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go over and you think,"Oh, my God, you know what?"
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"Otherworldly"really describes it.
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[Kate Dorsch]What makes theUFO so interesting is it is
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such a scientific object.
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But how do we separate
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reputable witnessesfrom crackpots?
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[George Knapp]95% of it is bullshit,
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but if the other five percent
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is true, it would bethe biggest story of all time.
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The implications areenormous for everyone.
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[Ralph Blumenthal]If these things are
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our own government'ssecret weapons,
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why would they endangerour own pilots?
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It doesn't make any sense.
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[Michael Smerconish]Are we on the brink
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of full disclosureabout visitors from outer space?
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[Kevin Day]Imagine if disclosure happens,
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and all of a sudden,the entire world
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starts experiencingthese things.
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I think there'ssomething about to happen.
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And I think the world needsto get prepared for it.
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I really do.
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[Greg Eghigian]For most people in history
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who have hada sighting of a UFO,
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those reports are pretty brief.
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There's not a lotof narrative to it.
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"So I was walking the dog,saw something weird
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in the sky,couldn't figure it out,
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weird blue light," that's it.
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There are then, however,people, of course,
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who tell more elaborate things,truly mysterious experiences.
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[interviewer]He didn'tcommunicate anything to you
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while you were takenback into the ship?
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[Eghigian]They start to question
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their worldview,their concept of reality.
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dramatic music
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fast, mysterious music
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[Eghigian]The thing aboutthe UFO phenomenon,
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is it really a tale
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about stories and story-making?
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Finding a way to turnthis stuff into a coherent
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narrative is at the heart
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of, I think, humanity.We want to do that.
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My name is Greg Eghigian.
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I am professor of historyat Penn State University.
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I teach a lot on the history
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of madness and mental illness
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and psychiatry,history of science, as well.
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When I was a kid growing up,
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I got diagnosedwith rheumatoid arthritis.
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And I was very sickly,and there were times where I,
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literally, I couldn't move.
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I was really kind of isolated.
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And I began
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reading a lot.
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The whole UFO thingreally fascinated me.
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I would sit thereand scour over the images
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of a flying saucer,
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like the way people used to lookat album covers or something.
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I had this voracious appetitefor UFOs.
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I thought I was gonnabecome an astronomer.
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But as high school ended,
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I went to college.
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I kind of lost interestin the topic.
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Only recently,I was at a conference...
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uh, talking with a friendand colleague of mine
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who was working on...
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some stories in Europeafter World War II
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about how, particularlyin Germany, right after the war,
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there was a kindof almost a renaissance
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of interest in the occult.
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And I asked her offhand, "Didyou come across anything
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about UFOs?"'Cause I'm sure there's
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tons of peoplewho've written about it.
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Lo and behold, what do I find?
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I find thatno academic historian since
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the 1970s had ever really
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looked at the history of UFOs.
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The people who looked at it
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were sociologists,psychologists,
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folklorists.
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But nobody from my tribe...
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[chuckles]...the historians.
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What's so strikingabout the phenomenon
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is so manyof the core elements...
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they were allbasically minted by
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the first five yearsof the phenomenon.
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And then there's justa new riff.
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They're variations on a theme.
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[reporter]Now they say that it's
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balloons like this onethat have been
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mistaken for flying saucers.
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[reporter 2]In 1955,aliens supposedly terrorized
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a family farmhousein Kelly, Kentucky.
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[reporter 3]Nine disc-like objects flying
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at a speed of approximately1,500 miles per hour
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near Mount Rainier, Oregon.
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[man]I looked up, and rightover my head, virtually, uh,
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it was a rim of lightsin the shape of a triangle.
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[man 2]I'll be t... I'm gonnatell you something, honey.
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I don't knowwhat the hell it is.
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[woman]It's rotating.
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[man 2]Oh, good God.
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[stammers] There's alwaysthings like that going on.
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Uh, flying saucers, and we've
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had other things, you know.
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But now we've got some thingsthat really fly, and Russia
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put up the first oneif I'm not mistaken.
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[Eghigian]So a good exampleis the idea that
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the military/government
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knows what's going on
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and isn't sharingthat information.
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[Knapp]They've lied about itfor so long.
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They've diverted money
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from legitimatenational security programs
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into keeping this thing going
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and keeping itsecret for a long time.
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[Eghigian]There's differentversions. One is,
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they're scared of creatinga mass hysteria,
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mass panic.
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[John Greenewald Jr.]People were scared.
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People did not know what it was,
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who was powering them.
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And that really fueled,I think, the CIA's concern
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that they had to squash it.
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[Eghigian]There is the storythat, no, they're actually
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in cahootswith the aliens themselves.
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Or there's just the-the plain,old, simple idea that,
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well, they're not sharingthe information about this
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because these are secret weaponsthat they're using.
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That theme, we're seeing itplay out right now, right?
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[Greenewald]Now, what's really strange is
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thatThe New York Timesreferenced metal alloys
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that were being housedin specially designed buildings
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within Bigelow Aerospace'sheadquarters.
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Fill in the blankto define whatever
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these metal alloys were,but the implications were there.
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[Knapp]There have been, you know,
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a number of these reportsover the years about crashes,
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where bits and piecesof strange material
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were collected.
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Those reports are...that I've seen...
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have varying degreesof credibility.
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But people that I know,the people
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who have worked in theseprograms, think it's real.
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[Harry Reid]I know that there'sa lot of talk about Lockheed
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having things in there,some special warehouse.
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I've never seen them.
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I've not been invitedto see them.
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So, at this stage,there's no evidence for me.
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[Greenewald]That, to me,could be potentially
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the biggest aspect
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to this entire story,and yetThe New York Times,
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they just drop that bombshellin one line and move on.
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Why would you do that?
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Let's just say that therewere these mysterious metals
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retrieved from UFOs.
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Would you give them
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to the private sector,number one?
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But number two, would you givethem to a warehouse that anybody
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that's off the Las Vegas Stripcan drive up to?
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In the realmof government secrecy,
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none of that makes sense.
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[chuckles]Hi.
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We did some follow-upforThe New York Times
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about crash-retrieved objectsin July of 2020.
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Very reputable sources
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have told us they believe
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indeed there are materialsthat are in the possession
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of possible aerospace companies
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or specialsecret-access programs.
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My colleague Ralph Blumenthal
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and I were privyto briefing slides
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that were actually used by theDepartment of Defense program
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to brief all kinds of peoplein which they reference
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anomalous aerial vehiclesthat have been retrieved.
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They call them crash retrievals.
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And they even usethe word "off-world"
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to describethat these are, you know,
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possibly off-world vehicles.
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[Gary Voorhis]It could be anyof the major players: Lockheed,
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Northrop.
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I have a feeling that
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there's gonna be a huge boomin tech in the next ten years,
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due to the fact that we'reunderstanding a lot more
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of this reverse-engineered tech.
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[reporter]The full U.S. SenateIntelligence Commission
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report on this phenomenon
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is due outbefore the end of the month.
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That's right, there have beennarratives about...
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crashes and bodies...
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back since 1947,
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and... there's no way to know,if something is
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that secret, you know,
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whether it actuallyhappened or not.
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[Dorsch]The narrative is thatthe military has truth
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and is hiding it from you.
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To some degree,it is even less about...
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flying saucers and aliens
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and someextraterrestrial threat.
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It's that whatever it is,
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the military knows.
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And they're hiding it from you.
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And that's the partthat's really scary.
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[Eghigian]As a historian,when you look back
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at when peoplefirst started talking
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about having contactwith aliens...
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the stories that completely
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dominate the UFO scene,
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even intothe middle part of the '60s...
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are a very differentset of stories.
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Those are storiesabout people meeting
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aliens out in a field somewhere.
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They look like us.
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They typically speakour language or they speak
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to me telepathically,and they come here
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with this basic message.
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We're here to help you.
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We're here to warn you
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about nuclear weapons,
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and, you know,stop killing each other.
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[man]We don't feel as paranoid
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about the future,about our place.
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I don't, I don't thinkwe're afraid of...
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as much as we used to be.
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[Eghigian]And when peoplehave these encounters,
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they come backand they say this was
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one of the most wonderfulexperiences of my life.
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I hope I get to see them again.
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The interesting thingto me, though, is that...
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these stories are out there, but
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for well overalmost two decades,
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they make almost no mark
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in popular culture.
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[Kean]Well, it's notthe area that I focused on.
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And I chose notto focus on it because
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the angle that I was takingin my reporting was to try
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to get credibilityfor the subject,
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and I knew thatthat was not the way to go.
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Whether it was true or not,it didn't matter.
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You know,even if it were all true,
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that was not the first step
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in terms of getting peopleto accept this.
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[Eghigian]I remember very, very vividly
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stories about the Hills.
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Their storyabsolutely riveted me.
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I couldn't stop reading,
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even thoughI couldn't get to sleep
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properly every nightas I was reading it.
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[Kean]I'm not writing it off.
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The problem with it isit's very hard to prove it.
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[Eghigian]There were many other cases,
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some remarkable stories
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in the '50s and the '60sand the '70s.
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But they're not something
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that gets a lot of attention.
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And then suddenlyyou hit the early 1980s,
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and bam![chuckles]
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Everything is aboutalien abduction.
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[reporter]Creatures with largeheads and huge dark eyes
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who usually appearin the middle of the night
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and often performsinister medical experiments.
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I've had eggs removedfrom my ovaries repeatedly.
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[woman]My mother and I haveboth had close encounters
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of the fourth kind, also known
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as abduction experiences.
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So what's been happening is,we're being transported
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aboard a UFO of some sort,a craft.
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We've undergonephysical examination,
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mind scan process,and reproductive processes.
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They're creatinga hybrid race between humans
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and extraterrestrials.
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[Eghigian]So the questionthen, to me, becomes:
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why are they interesting now?
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Why does this becomesomething fascinating?
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And there I thinkyou have to start
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looking at things that aregoing on in popular culture,
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but things thatare going on in society.
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Technological changes,
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and you havea whole host of things.
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One of the thingsthat becomes a very big part
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of public discussion
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starting in the 1960s,
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into the 1980s,
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is a focus on home invasions.
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Starting with basicallyTruman Capote's
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-In Cold Blood.-[gunshot]
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This case becomes sortof this one pivotal moment,
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where people start to saythis could happen
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to anybody.
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The Manson Family killingsbecome
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a kind of a flashpoint
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for talking about these things.
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This is also, by the way,the age of hijacking.
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When people talkabout encounters
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in, say, the early '60s,
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the encounters overwhelminglywere outside.
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"We were outdoors or in my car."
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By the time you getinto the 1990s,
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the majority of people say,
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"My encounters arein my bedroom."
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I'll be laying down on the bed,and whichever
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direction I'm facing, theywill be behind me every time.
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[Eghigian]I'm not saying that people
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are just making things up.
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That's not my point.
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All of this seemsto lie in this idea
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of a traumatic experience.
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And it's interesting to me that,
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that trauma, that term"trauma," when does that
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start to really become partof the public conversation
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about experiencesthat are terrifying?
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Well, it's, it's there,already being talked about
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after World War IIin the wake of the Holocaust.
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It's being talked aboutin the 1970s
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and the feminist movement,
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about women who are victims
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of domestic abuse.
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But it's of course
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institutionalized in 1980
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by theDiagnosticand Statistical Manual
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with the invention of the post-traumatic stress disorder.
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And that's exactlywhen you get John Mack.
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[Blumenthal]I love books, and so,
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everywhere I go,I look for books,
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especially vintage books.
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In 2004, I was a correspondentin Texas and I picked up a book.
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I think it might have beenin Larry McMurtry's town
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in Texas, where he runsa lot of book shops.
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The whole town is devotedto Archer City,
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which became, you know,Last Picture Show.
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So I picked up a book calledPassport to the Cosmos,
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which was a book by John Mack.
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[reporter] Passportto the Cosmosis Dr. Mack's
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newest book.Quite simply, it's about people
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who claim they've beenabducted by aliens.
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[Diana Walsh Pasulka]John Mack,
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who is a Pulitzer Prize-winningHarvard researcher...
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...in the '80s wrote the book
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Abduction:Human Encounters with Aliens.
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That's not an easy topicfor an academic because
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it could ruin your career.
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[Blumenthal]He was very eminent in his field
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and he had a verydistinguished career
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writingabout Lawrence of Arabia.
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He had been written up manytimes inThe New York Times.
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He was an expertin childhood development.
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He had writtena book on nightmares.
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He had written a book on,uh, teenage suicide.
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He had been onOprah.
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He was, you know, famous.
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Infamous in some circlesat Harvard
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but very, very well-known.
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What the source of this is,
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what... who these beings are,where they come from,
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what createsthis intelligence...
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uh, I don't know,but there's something
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profoundly importantgoing on here
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that is authentic and real.
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John Mack is a pivotalfigure in this history.
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He has a kindof recognized legitimacy
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that most people in the UFOcommunity did not enjoy.
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So the idea is, if someonelike him is interested
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in this topic and feelsthere's something worthy
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to look at,we've got to look at that.
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[Charlie Rose]Do you, as an intelligent person
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who's investigated it,believe...
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I don't know of a better word...
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think it happened to them?
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Nothing in my 40 yearsof working with people
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prepared me for this phenomenon.
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In spite of allthe criticism that I may be
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taking it too seriously or...
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uh, believingthis really happened,
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there isn't a single casewhere anybody has found
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another explanation of whatan individual has reported.
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[Blumenthal]The Harvardpsychiatrist who's researching
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alien abduction.I thought
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he'd make a great storyforThe New York Times.
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I was thinking about callinghim up for an interview.
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And then literallya few days later,
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I picked upThe New York Timesand I saw his obituary.
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I was shocked.
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He was run over and killedby a hit-and-run driver,
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a drunk driver in London.
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I thought it was very strange.
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The Internet was alreadywell along, so there were
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suspicionsand allegations by people
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that he'd been assassinated.
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[Eghigian]There's no question,like a lot of famous people
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who have worked in the UFO area,
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whenever they die,
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particularly an untimely death,
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there are peoplewho come forward and say
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this is part of the conspiracy.
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TheMen in Blacknarrative.
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Again...it's a common kind of thing
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that you see take place.
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[Blumenthal]The most common rumor was that
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another person named John Mack
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was run down at the same time,
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so that shows that John Macks
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were targeted, and it's nottrue as far as I could, uh,
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determine, there wasno other John Mack run over.
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[Brandon Harris]This is happening on the heels
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of the popularityofThe X Filestelevision show,
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with a sortof burgeoning interest
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in alien culture.
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The early days
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of the Web allows people
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who have an interestin aliens and UFOs
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to find each other more easily.
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Where conspiracy theories
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or myth can take hold
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and find purchase with a group
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of people that canspread it more widely.
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[Blumenthal]It really was sadlymuch more simple than that.
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He was run over and killedby a hit-and-run drunk driver
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in London.He looked the wrong way
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and died almost immediately.
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Well, I mean he wasa psychiatrist,
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so he was an expert scholar
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of-of the human mind and psyche,
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and he found that thesepeople were eminently normal.
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There was nothingto distinguish them,
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except for the fact that
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they came to him telling
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of theseextraordinary experiences.
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And wentfrom the white light hitting me
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to then being paralyzed
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to being floated out of my room,going up into a spaceship,
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lying on a table.
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I was aware that theywere putting an instrument
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in my neck.
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[Eghigian]John Mack tells us in interviews
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when you lookat what he talked about.
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His first response was,"This is nonsense.
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This is utter nonsense."
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But what really struck himas he looked more at this,
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the peopleseemed legitimately upset.
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I'm rememberingwhat they did to me.
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I don't want himdoing that to her.
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And I... And I just blurted,"Don't touch her.
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Don't take her.D-Don't do those things to her."
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[Eghigian]They were telling stories
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that were consistentwith one another
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though these peoplehad never met one another.
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They would hearthat another person
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had had the same experience.
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They would becomevery much disturbed
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because it meant they couldn'tdismiss it as a dream.
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They couldn't dismiss itas their private mental illness
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or fantasy,and that, to a psychiatrist...
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at least to this psychiatrist...was very powerful.
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It was a broad cross sectionof humanity.
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Men, women, blue-collar people,professionals,
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psychiatrists also, doctors,
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lawyers, politicians
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and childrenas young as two years old
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who would tell storiesabout little men
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who took them up into the sky.
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And he realized, of course,
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that these childrenwere not reciting
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stories from books they had read
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or movies they had seen.They were two years old.
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They were not mentally ill.He was convinced of that
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because that was his field.
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They were not delusional.
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They were not deluded.
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They were not lookingfor publicity.
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On the contrary,they were horrified
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by what they thinkhad happened to them.
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They were traumatized,often to the point
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of shaking and crying whenthey revealed these encounters
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in sessionsthat he had with them.
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He didn't communicate anythingto you
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about why you were taken backinto the ship?
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I just remember being ableto see that light again.
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[Blumenthal]Basically,
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he could not findany other explanation
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other than what the peoplesaid had happened to them.
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intriguing, tense music
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[Mack]In these cases, these people
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have been examined by myself.They've been
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tested psychologically.
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They areof above-average intelligence.
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They are of sound mind.They've been shown
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as of sup-superior mentalfunctioning by the testers.
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So the-there is not indication
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of any kindof psychiatric condition
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that can account for thisthat I've been able to find.
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Because they don't wantto believe it's true.
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They would rather believeit's a dream
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or a form of mental illnessthan that this is something real
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because it's so shatteringto their notion of reality.
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[Pasulka]If you lookthrough John Mack's book,
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you see these people havethese contact experiences.
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There was always some typeof incredible event,
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and then they understood itto be a real thing.
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There are experiencesfrom hundreds of years ago
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that look similarto what people experience today.
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One of the best examples of thathas to be Teresa of Ávila,
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who is a doctor of the church,
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and she was the Italian nunin the 1500s.
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She had this experience
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that is very well-representedin Western art.
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And it's representedin statues and paintings,
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and it's this experiencewhere, if you looked at it,
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you would see herin kind of ecstasy.
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And you see this angel.
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There's a very famous statue
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by Bernini in Rome
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where there is an angelcarrying this dart.
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And, you know,it looks like Eros, right?
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The god Eros with the dartwho's gonna get you,
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and, you know,you're gonna fall in love.
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But if you actually readher report of it,
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it looks nothinglike her actual experience.
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She says,"This is not a normal angel.
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00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:44,270
But usually if I see an angel,it's imaginative.
526
00:26:44,311 --> 00:26:45,811
It's, you know,something in my head.
527
00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:47,524
But this thing's actually real.Right?
528
00:26:47,564 --> 00:26:49,774
This thing's, like, fleshy.It is right there."
529
00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:52,487
"And it's short.
530
00:26:52,527 --> 00:26:53,777
You know, it's three feet.
531
00:26:53,820 --> 00:26:56,360
And it's fiery.It's all on fire.
532
00:26:56,406 --> 00:26:58,526
And it has this prong,
533
00:26:58,575 --> 00:27:00,825
and it's-it's, you know,
534
00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:04,079
thrust the prong into my bowel."
535
00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,583
You see this time and time again
536
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:10,295
in history with people who havethese experiences and sightings,
537
00:27:10,337 --> 00:27:12,957
what are calledcontact experiences.
538
00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:14,626
And then what happens is
539
00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:17,724
that there's an interpretiveframework around that
540
00:27:17,761 --> 00:27:20,641
that the Church then declares
541
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,810
as what happened.
542
00:27:22,849 --> 00:27:25,639
The interpretationthen gets done
543
00:27:25,685 --> 00:27:27,645
after the experience.
544
00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:29,977
That's what's called religion.
545
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,189
And then it's represented.
546
00:27:34,235 --> 00:27:35,945
Like, you can say
547
00:27:35,987 --> 00:27:38,867
that pop culture back thenwere paintings and statues.
548
00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:40,577
intense, dramatic music
549
00:27:40,617 --> 00:27:42,577
Teresa has her event,
550
00:27:42,619 --> 00:27:45,459
and it gets changed, right?
551
00:27:45,497 --> 00:27:48,077
It can becomesomething completely different
552
00:27:48,124 --> 00:27:49,964
than whatshe actually wrote about.
553
00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:52,841
We decided we're only gonna lookat these parts
554
00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:54,839
because we can only dealwith those parts.
555
00:28:03,431 --> 00:28:06,851
[Eghigian]John Mackis unusual and important
556
00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:09,483
because when he encountersthe alien abductees,
557
00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:13,691
he says, "I-I could startto question their worldview."
558
00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:17,033
"Their cosmology," is whathe called it. "Their reality."
559
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,860
He said, "But I startedto come to believe
560
00:28:19,906 --> 00:28:22,196
that I was being called onto embrace
561
00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:25,872
their experiences as somethingthat challenges me."
562
00:28:25,912 --> 00:28:27,122
If this is a real experience...
563
00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:30,003
that is,some kind of entities, beings,
564
00:28:30,041 --> 00:28:31,881
intelligencesare entering our world
565
00:28:31,918 --> 00:28:33,998
and affectinghundreds of thousands,
566
00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:36,165
perhaps millions of people,according to polls...
567
00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:37,804
then this is somethingreally worth looking at.
568
00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:39,341
So, that's whatI've been trying to do,
569
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:41,094
is get peopleat least to look at it.
570
00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:42,216
Think about it.
571
00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:52,105
Once you kind of get hitin the face with this
572
00:28:52,147 --> 00:28:53,767
and there's a connectionyou can make to it
573
00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:57,735
where you just realize this istoo big to turn away from.
574
00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:00,608
And it can just grab you.
575
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,065
That's what it feels like.
576
00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:04,577
And I'm the same way, you know,
577
00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:05,907
so I understand it.
578
00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:12,749
I never went to formal school.Actually,
579
00:29:12,792 --> 00:29:15,172
I went to Burma,and I was documenting
580
00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:17,421
a lot of human rights abusesin Burma
581
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:18,764
in the '90s, basically.
582
00:29:18,798 --> 00:29:21,088
[overlapping shouting]
583
00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:24,802
[screaming]
584
00:29:25,805 --> 00:29:27,925
And when I came back,
585
00:29:27,974 --> 00:29:30,774
I was invitedto go on a public radio show.
586
00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:34,150
And then I started workingwith the producer of that show,
587
00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:36,229
who was really interestedin what I had,
588
00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:39,114
and I was eventually hiredto work at this radio station.
589
00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:44,776
I was curious, but no morethan your average person.
590
00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:47,494
I mean, I never, everwould have imagined
591
00:29:47,535 --> 00:29:49,695
that I would ever beprofessionally involved.
592
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:55,785
What started the whole thingwas, I was sent a report in 1999
593
00:29:55,835 --> 00:29:57,125
from a colleague in France
594
00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:59,510
called the COMETA Report.
595
00:29:59,547 --> 00:30:03,467
It was a 90-page studyon UFO data
596
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:06,350
by a group of very distinguishedpeople in France.
597
00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:08,967
Generals, admirals,police chief,
598
00:30:09,015 --> 00:30:11,385
scientists, engineers.
599
00:30:11,434 --> 00:30:14,444
They were only lookingat official cases,
600
00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:17,479
pilot cases, military cases.Then they spent
601
00:30:17,524 --> 00:30:19,074
three years studyingall these official cases,
602
00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:21,898
and they came outwith this 90-page study
603
00:30:21,945 --> 00:30:23,855
which basically said
604
00:30:23,905 --> 00:30:25,525
that the best hypothesis
605
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:27,743
for all this datathey observed was
606
00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:31,164
that we were being visitedby extraterrestrial vehicles.
607
00:30:32,705 --> 00:30:35,165
And I was justabsolutely fascinated by it.
608
00:30:35,208 --> 00:30:37,998
I thought this isa massively huge story.
609
00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:42,173
This was the first timeI went out on my own,
610
00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:44,585
pitched the story,and it was published
611
00:30:44,634 --> 00:30:47,934
in theBoston Globe,and thatwas sort of what launched me
612
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:49,851
on this journey,and from that moment on,
613
00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:51,719
I was... I was, like, hooked.
614
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:55,475
[Knapp]I'm not a UFO guy.It wasn't my thing.
615
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,610
I was chasing the mobin those days,
616
00:30:57,647 --> 00:30:59,517
but this got my attention.
617
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,070
I was hooked on it.
618
00:31:03,111 --> 00:31:06,031
[Kean]There wasa huge outpouring of excitement
619
00:31:06,072 --> 00:31:08,242
from the UFO community because
620
00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:09,993
I don't think a journalist
621
00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:13,084
had ever taken itseriously enough
622
00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:14,831
to publish a long story
623
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:17,043
in a major publicationlike theBoston Globe.
624
00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:20,383
[Knapp]Suddenly, my phonestarts ringing off the hook.
625
00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:22,260
People are calling.They're giving me
626
00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:24,717
tips about UFOs, and I realized
627
00:31:24,757 --> 00:31:26,757
that this topictouched the pulse of the public
628
00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:28,891
in a way that Ihad never considered before.
629
00:31:28,928 --> 00:31:30,508
intriguing, dramatic music
630
00:31:30,555 --> 00:31:32,175
[Kean]I started goingto some conferences
631
00:31:32,223 --> 00:31:35,103
so I would meet membersof the UFO community.
632
00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:39,362
And then I was actuallyintroduced to Budd Hopkins.
633
00:31:43,109 --> 00:31:46,649
[Eghigian] Budd Hopkins is a guywho already, in the early '80s,
634
00:31:46,696 --> 00:31:48,156
had become quite famous.
635
00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:50,487
The evidence suggestsbeyond any doubt,
636
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:53,083
as far as I'm concerned,that we're being visited
637
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:54,909
by some kind of...some form of intelligence
638
00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:56,544
which is higher than ours
639
00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:58,581
and some kind of technologywhich is higher than ours.
640
00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:00,585
We keep it at arm's lengthconveniently,
641
00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:03,047
but it does upsetmore and more people
642
00:32:03,087 --> 00:32:04,917
as they see the evidence for it.
643
00:32:05,423 --> 00:32:09,433
[Kean]Budd Hopkinswas a very well-known artist
644
00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:11,259
before any of thiscame into his life.
645
00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:14,814
He was an abstract expressionistpainter and sculptor.
646
00:32:14,849 --> 00:32:16,229
intriguing, tense music
647
00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:17,887
The reasonthis whole thing started
648
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:20,226
for him was becausehe had a sighting himself.
649
00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:22,481
I was fully convincedthat the Air Force had said
650
00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:24,443
they were balloonsor something or other.
651
00:32:24,484 --> 00:32:26,784
I never knew what.And I accepted that.
652
00:32:26,819 --> 00:32:28,449
But then, when we saw
653
00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:30,778
this thing flying around,I was very aware that,
654
00:32:30,823 --> 00:32:33,283
okay, there's something up therethat has not been explained.
655
00:32:33,326 --> 00:32:36,326
[Kean]He sawa disk-shaped object in the sky,
656
00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:38,541
and it turns out other peoplehad seen the same thing.
657
00:32:38,581 --> 00:32:41,381
And then he'sin the liquor store one day
658
00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:43,377
'cause he liked to havehis evening Scotch.
659
00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,709
The guy in the storejust started talking
660
00:32:46,756 --> 00:32:47,876
about this landing of a UFO
661
00:32:47,924 --> 00:32:49,634
that had happened in New Jersey.
662
00:32:49,676 --> 00:32:52,096
And he said that there hadbeen beings that had come out,
663
00:32:52,136 --> 00:32:54,256
and there were markson the ground.
664
00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:55,925
And he wrote about itin theVillage Voice,
665
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:57,734
a paper in New York City.
666
00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,437
And it took off,
667
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:02,397
and he just got so many lettersfrom people who said,
668
00:33:02,438 --> 00:33:04,108
"I've seenthings like this, too."
669
00:33:04,148 --> 00:33:06,318
And I concealed deliberately
670
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,899
certain details about the UFO...its color,
671
00:33:08,945 --> 00:33:11,155
certain detailsabout the weather condition...
672
00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:12,737
because I wanted to...
673
00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:14,622
I-I was convincedthat there were other witnesses,
674
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,999
and I wanted to have some wayof checking their veracity.
675
00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:18,616
And, in fact, we got
676
00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:20,463
something like seven or eightother witnesses
677
00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:22,998
who were rightabout these missing details.
678
00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:25,632
And so I knew, all right,these things are flying around.
679
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:27,880
pulsing, intriguing music
680
00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:30,262
He ends up meeting John Mack.
681
00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:33,510
And he introduces Mack
682
00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:35,723
to some of these folkswho say these things.
683
00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,683
[Hopkins]I handed him 20 unopened letters
684
00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:41,305
that I had not looked at myself,had not read them,
685
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:43,312
not opened them, from people
686
00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:44,654
who obviously were writing inbecause they felt
687
00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:46,519
they'd had experiences.And I said, "John,
688
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,316
you open these, read...these letters. You read them."
689
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,189
And he called me the next day
690
00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:52,446
to say he was quite astonishedby this.
691
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,373
[Blumenthal]Budd Hopkins trained himself
692
00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:58,368
to hypnotize people,but he was an artist,
693
00:33:58,411 --> 00:34:00,621
and, as he said, nobody careswhat an artist thinks.
694
00:34:00,663 --> 00:34:01,833
But John Mack
695
00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:03,043
made people think twice
696
00:34:03,082 --> 00:34:04,672
about the whole subject.
697
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:07,799
[Eghigian]Mack was interested in this idea
698
00:34:07,837 --> 00:34:10,417
that you wanted to focuson the experience.
699
00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:24,398
gentle, intriguing music
700
00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:26,767
When they talk about himgoing native,
701
00:34:26,814 --> 00:34:29,574
it does seem to mewhat any good
702
00:34:29,609 --> 00:34:32,279
treatment professional,any therapist would do.
703
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,410
You try to put yourselfin the position
704
00:34:35,448 --> 00:34:38,368
in a sympathetic way,
705
00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:40,079
even maybe empathetic way
706
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:41,909
of looking at problemsand issues
707
00:34:41,954 --> 00:34:43,164
through the experiencesand lives
708
00:34:43,206 --> 00:34:44,746
of the people you're treating.
709
00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:49,001
[inhales deeply]
710
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:51,205
[grunts]
711
00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:54,125
[speaks indistinctly]
712
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:57,390
-They're horrible.-[Hopkins] Who's horrible?
713
00:34:57,428 --> 00:34:59,508
-They are.-[Hopkins] Who's "they"?
714
00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:02,425
I don't want to talk about it.
715
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:13,491
Right.
716
00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:16,238
He had won a Pulitzer Prize,
717
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,450
the biographyof Lawrence of Arabia.
718
00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:21,541
John Mackdid identify with Lawrence.
719
00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:25,537
The person who had a conflictbetween his inner life...
720
00:35:25,581 --> 00:35:27,881
very, uh, intellectual...and his outer life,
721
00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:30,127
obviously mobilizingArab tribesmen
722
00:35:30,169 --> 00:35:31,629
against the Ottoman Empire.
723
00:35:31,671 --> 00:35:34,171
A very action-filled life.
724
00:35:34,215 --> 00:35:35,925
[shouting]
725
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:40,387
No prisoners! No prisoners!
726
00:35:40,429 --> 00:35:41,599
Hyah!
727
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,469
Charge!
728
00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:49,935
[Blumenthal]He said many times, John Mack,
729
00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:52,651
that he identifiedwith his struggles.
730
00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,951
And he tried to emulateLawrence's methods
731
00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:58,107
because Lawrencewas a master statesman, too.
732
00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:00,656
Very politically savvy.
733
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,330
John Mackwas in similar circumstances.
734
00:36:03,369 --> 00:36:05,499
You know, pillarof the Harvard establishment,
735
00:36:05,538 --> 00:36:07,578
interested in, you know,aliens and UFOs.
736
00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:09,333
intriguing, dramatic music
737
00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:11,495
[Mack]Either we tryto shrink the phenomenon
738
00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:13,424
into something where it...
739
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:15,632
as far as I can tell,it won't fit,
740
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:18,973
or we're gonna have to stretchour notions of the possible.
741
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:22,810
John really had a lot at stakegiven his position at Harvard
742
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:25,517
and his credentialsand, you know, all of that.
743
00:36:26,309 --> 00:36:28,019
[Blumenthal]First of all,
744
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,020
Harvard was really no strangerto anomalous research.
745
00:36:30,062 --> 00:36:32,902
I mean, William James,the father of psychology,
746
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:34,280
was attending séances
747
00:36:34,317 --> 00:36:36,397
and writingabout paranormal events
748
00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:37,364
a hundred years ago.
749
00:36:37,403 --> 00:36:39,493
But something
750
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:41,990
about John Mack's mannerhad put them off.
751
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,833
He was a little too popular.
752
00:36:45,703 --> 00:36:47,873
Academia will never forgive...[laughs]
753
00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:50,174
...professorswho spend their lives writing,
754
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:53,628
you know, obscure papersthat never get any attention.
755
00:36:53,669 --> 00:36:55,919
Then this guy comes along,and he writes a best seller
756
00:36:55,963 --> 00:36:59,513
after tryingto get peer-reviewed, you know,
757
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:02,510
-and being rejected.-[Eghigian]Harvard ends up
758
00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:04,433
doing an investigation
759
00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:07,182
into his research practices.
760
00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,015
In the end, he is
761
00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:12,731
allowed to continue his career.
762
00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:18,902
This is also partof that history
763
00:37:18,945 --> 00:37:21,525
of the flying saucerUFO phenomenon,
764
00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:24,702
that whenever an institution
765
00:37:24,742 --> 00:37:27,082
that is recognized as respected,
766
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,909
whenever they grant this stuff
767
00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:32,746
some sort of legitimacyas a topic
768
00:37:32,792 --> 00:37:36,592
that is worthy of conversation,worthy of investigation...
769
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:40,220
...it is credibility.
770
00:37:40,716 --> 00:37:43,886
[Knapp]During that same periodof time, Bob Bigelow
771
00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,848
is startingto put the pieces together
772
00:37:45,888 --> 00:37:50,518
for the National Institutefor Discovery Science, NIDS.
773
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:52,519
quiet, intriguing music
774
00:37:52,561 --> 00:37:54,191
[Lara Logan]Do you imagine
775
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:55,980
that in our space travels,
776
00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:59,743
we will encounterother forms of intelligent life?
777
00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:01,487
You don't have to go anywhere.
778
00:38:01,529 --> 00:38:03,699
-You can find it here?-Yeah.
779
00:38:03,739 --> 00:38:06,029
-[laughs]-[Knapp]He and I would meet,
780
00:38:06,075 --> 00:38:08,785
and during those years,he would share with me
781
00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:10,538
things that he was financing,
782
00:38:10,579 --> 00:38:13,419
the kind of researchthat he had funded.
783
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:18,585
He was, at that time,providing financial support
784
00:38:18,629 --> 00:38:20,969
to a number ofreally distinguished academics
785
00:38:21,007 --> 00:38:22,547
and researchers.
786
00:38:22,591 --> 00:38:24,841
People like Budd Hopkins.
787
00:38:25,803 --> 00:38:27,053
And eventually
788
00:38:27,096 --> 00:38:28,306
Dr. John Mack from Harvard.
789
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[Greenewald]When you lookat those connections, right,
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00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:34,938
and everybody seeminglyis more and more connected,
791
00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:36,649
uh, into this story,
792
00:38:36,689 --> 00:38:40,779
you see them all essentially gelfor decades together,
793
00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:42,778
and they just keep popping up
794
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:45,950
in the same programsor the same stories
795
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:47,830
or the same objectives.
796
00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:49,237
Why is that?
797
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:51,445
Is it that they're justall buddies and friends
798
00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:53,455
and they havethis budding interest
799
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:55,037
in the same things?
800
00:38:55,082 --> 00:38:56,712
Or maybe there's something elsebeing played out
801
00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:59,091
at this pointthat keeps them all together?
802
00:38:59,128 --> 00:39:00,838
--[dialogue inaudible]
803
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,340
[Dorsch]I want to be generous, but
804
00:39:04,383 --> 00:39:05,843
if there's anythingwe've learned,
805
00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:08,345
there is moneyand a certain kind of prestige
806
00:39:08,387 --> 00:39:10,137
in beingat the forefront of this.
807
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:12,391
Thank you.
808
00:39:12,433 --> 00:39:14,193
[Eghigian]From the very beginning,
809
00:39:14,226 --> 00:39:16,726
there are drivers of this.
810
00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:20,021
There are peoplewho take up a role
811
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:21,436
kind of self-appointedly.
812
00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:23,494
[chuckles]They take up this role that,
813
00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:25,527
"I am going to be
814
00:39:25,571 --> 00:39:26,661
a campaigner."
815
00:39:26,697 --> 00:39:28,157
-[applause]-For a time,
816
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,659
they are the bright,
817
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,370
shining stars in all this,
818
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:33,290
but they ultimately fall away,
819
00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:35,039
and new people take their place.
820
00:39:35,081 --> 00:39:37,251
[applause]
821
00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:39,341
There's never been
822
00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:40,797
some central institution,
823
00:39:40,836 --> 00:39:44,546
a central agencyor a group of people
824
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:47,180
who concertedly tryto keep this thing alive.
825
00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:49,848
pulsing, dramatic music
826
00:39:49,887 --> 00:39:52,467
But there's always beenthis kind of interest
827
00:39:52,515 --> 00:39:54,515
at an individual level.
828
00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:56,388
I think you can go so faras to say some people
829
00:39:56,435 --> 00:40:00,725
really understand themselvesas crusaders for truth.
830
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:06,821
[Richard Doty]In 1947,two craft crashed in New Mexico.
831
00:40:06,862 --> 00:40:08,702
They collided,
832
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:10,569
and one crashednear Corona, New Mexico,
833
00:40:10,616 --> 00:40:12,906
which is public record.
834
00:40:12,952 --> 00:40:15,162
The second craftcrashed way out west
835
00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:17,124
of Magdalena, New Mexico,
836
00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:20,004
and that wasn't founduntil two years later.
837
00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:22,212
But the one that crashedin Corona,
838
00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:23,713
they also found a live alien.
839
00:40:23,754 --> 00:40:27,384
That live alien was named Eba,
840
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,425
and he was transported to...
841
00:40:29,468 --> 00:40:30,928
It was a ma... a male.
842
00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:34,100
He was transportedto Los Alamos, where he...
843
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:35,980
he lived out his life.
844
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,726
He died in 1952,
845
00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:41,109
but during that time periodthat he was with us,
846
00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:43,687
he told usa plethora of information
847
00:40:43,732 --> 00:40:46,282
about what they have learnedabout the universe
848
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:48,738
and what their technology is.
849
00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:51,739
Their technologyis probably, uh, estimated
850
00:40:51,782 --> 00:40:54,162
to be about 50,000 yearsahead of us.
851
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:59,790
They did have some toolsand some material in the craft
852
00:40:59,832 --> 00:41:01,212
that the Air Force was able to
853
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,500
and U.S. intelligence communitywas able
854
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:07,014
to retrieveand reverse engineer.
855
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,183
[sighs] I don't know thatI necessarily have much
856
00:41:11,218 --> 00:41:13,638
to say about thatexcept, like, at risk of...
857
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,309
I don't want to impugnanyone's character,
858
00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:18,477
but in the sort of post-Brexit,post-Trump era
859
00:41:18,517 --> 00:41:20,637
of social media and fake news,
860
00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:22,146
there is something dangerous
861
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:25,978
about allowinguncritical narratives
862
00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:28,645
that undermine public trust
863
00:41:28,694 --> 00:41:30,864
in really fundamentalinstitutions
864
00:41:30,905 --> 00:41:32,405
like the United States military
865
00:41:32,448 --> 00:41:34,488
and our intelligencecommunities.
866
00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:37,293
tense, dramatic music
867
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,828
[Kean]We have to movein a way that's very credible,
868
00:41:39,872 --> 00:41:42,422
that can penetratethe status quo
869
00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:45,918
and can get through to senatorsand congressmen and scientists.
870
00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:48,342
I've always advocated.
871
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,970
I started working on thisin the year 2000,
872
00:41:51,008 --> 00:41:54,258
and one of my initial pointsto advocate for was that we need
873
00:41:54,303 --> 00:41:58,723
a government agency in orderto do proper investigations.
874
00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:08,284
Somebodywho's interested in UFOs
875
00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:09,737
writes a story about UFOs.
876
00:42:09,777 --> 00:42:11,237
Well, there's a plot for you.
877
00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:13,028
There's a dastardly plot.
878
00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:15,032
Of course she's interestedin UFOs,
879
00:42:15,074 --> 00:42:18,374
and of course she helped, uh,get that story on-on the paper.
880
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:21,080
Is she supposed to cover storiesshe's not interested in?
881
00:42:27,586 --> 00:42:30,416
[Kean]It was Puthoff,Mellon and Jim Semivan,
882
00:42:30,464 --> 00:42:33,804
who was in the CIAfor many, many years.
883
00:42:33,842 --> 00:42:36,142
And I had known Puthofffor a very long time,
884
00:42:36,178 --> 00:42:38,888
and I had knownChris Mellon also.
885
00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:40,431
They knewthat I was a journalist
886
00:42:40,474 --> 00:42:42,104
who took this seriously,
887
00:42:42,142 --> 00:42:43,892
so they were interestedin just bringing me down
888
00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:45,896
and telling meabout the program.
889
00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:49,817
A secret UFO programhas just been revealed.
890
00:42:49,858 --> 00:42:51,738
The military spentmillions of dollars
891
00:42:51,777 --> 00:42:53,237
to look into UFO sightings,
892
00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:55,989
and those videosare now being made public.
893
00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:58,660
[newsman]Christopher Mellon served
894
00:42:58,701 --> 00:43:01,501
as Deputy Assistant Secretaryof Defense for Intelligence
895
00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:04,327
for Presidents Clintonand George W. Bush.
896
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:08,883
In 2017, as a private citizen,he surreptitiously acquired
897
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:12,209
the three Navy videosElizondo had declassified
898
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:15,336
and leaked themtoThe New York Times.
899
00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:19,644
It's bizarre and unfortunatethat someone like myself
900
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,470
has to do something like that
901
00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:25,265
to get a national security issuelike this on the agenda.
902
00:43:25,311 --> 00:43:27,271
[Knapp]Chris Mellon isone of the wealthiest
903
00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:28,943
people in America.
904
00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:31,151
He devoted himselfto a life of public service,
905
00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:33,441
working for Senateintelligence committees
906
00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:36,275
and then at the Pentagon.He doesn't need the money.
907
00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:40,664
He's not out to besmirchhis family's reputation,
908
00:43:40,701 --> 00:43:42,331
his own reputation
909
00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:45,459
by engaging in some kindof disinformation plot,
910
00:43:45,497 --> 00:43:46,867
fooling the American public.
911
00:43:46,915 --> 00:43:48,825
He's there'cause he wants to know.
912
00:43:51,003 --> 00:43:53,093
[Eghigian]To the Stars... Academy
913
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:54,880
and the people involved in that
914
00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:58,303
have definitely assumedthe driving role.
915
00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:00,104
They are, in many ways,
916
00:44:00,137 --> 00:44:03,097
the kind ofnow center of gravity
917
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:04,850
for this stuff.
918
00:44:16,695 --> 00:44:18,485
I really don't knowthe inside story.
919
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:20,990
I mean, I just knowthat they have moved on.
920
00:44:21,033 --> 00:44:23,623
dramatic, intriguing music
921
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,371
And I think peoplelike Chris Mellon, Lue Elizondo
922
00:44:25,412 --> 00:44:27,622
are working to tryto get as much as they can...
923
00:44:27,665 --> 00:44:31,165
You know, to have the influenceto try to get
924
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:33,130
as much as can be releasedreleased.
925
00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:36,423
Having members of Congressbriefed,
926
00:44:36,465 --> 00:44:39,835
speaking to all kinds of peopleto keep the ball rolling.
927
00:44:42,554 --> 00:44:43,894
I don't know.
928
00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:47,271
It's just a slow process,unfortunately.
929
00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,349
But it's unpredictable.
930
00:44:53,357 --> 00:44:55,357
[Eghigian]The thing that defines
931
00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:57,701
the UFOis this elusiveness, right?
932
00:44:57,736 --> 00:45:01,366
There's a French sociologistwho makes a really good point
933
00:45:01,407 --> 00:45:03,827
about UFOs.
934
00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:07,367
The thing that makes UFOsso interesting
935
00:45:07,413 --> 00:45:10,923
isn't that they appear;it's that they disappear.
936
00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:15,337
The thing that's frustratingfor so many
937
00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:20,049
is the very keyto why it's so mesmerizing.
938
00:45:20,092 --> 00:45:22,052
It's the disappearance.
939
00:45:24,346 --> 00:45:26,516
[man] There goes one.Now they're back to two lights.
940
00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:28,387
Oh, there it goes.
941
00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:29,894
Boom. All three.
942
00:45:29,935 --> 00:45:32,725
[woman]What is that?
943
00:45:38,944 --> 00:45:42,074
[newswoman]I want to take youstraight to NASA headquarters.
944
00:45:42,114 --> 00:45:44,534
Let's just listenand see what might be happening.
945
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,535
slow, gentle music
946
00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:50,995
And a picture therethat you can see
947
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:54,329
the first poweredcontrolled flight
948
00:45:54,376 --> 00:45:55,956
on another planet,
949
00:45:56,003 --> 00:45:58,763
so cause for celebration.
950
00:45:58,797 --> 00:46:02,507
We've been flying on Earthfor just over 100 years,
951
00:46:02,551 --> 00:46:05,261
and now we're-we're gonna goto another planet and fly.
952
00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:06,474
It's crazy.
953
00:46:09,475 --> 00:46:12,095
[Blumenthal]You don't needscience fiction anymore.
954
00:46:12,144 --> 00:46:15,614
[laughs] Realityis really exciting enough.
955
00:46:15,647 --> 00:46:18,607
I mean, it sounds quaint todayto pick up books
956
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:20,320
about voyages to Mars.
957
00:46:23,405 --> 00:46:28,285
We've vastly outpacedthe science fiction of the '50s.
958
00:46:30,162 --> 00:46:32,292
[Kean]It's just a different world now,
959
00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:33,501
and there's a level of openness
960
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:36,130
and now an acceptanceof the reality.
961
00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:38,168
We've had some big eventsin the past
962
00:46:38,212 --> 00:46:41,132
where, you know,there were hundreds of witnesses
963
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:43,383
where the governmentwould still just not comment
964
00:46:43,425 --> 00:46:47,255
or ignore it or say it wasplanes flying in formation.
965
00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:49,434
Today, that could not happen.
966
00:46:55,103 --> 00:46:56,863
The next big line
967
00:46:56,897 --> 00:47:00,357
to be crossed is when there isan acknowledgement that
968
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,860
it definitely is notfrom any country on Earth.
969
00:47:04,905 --> 00:47:07,065
loud, dramatic music
970
00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:18,501
[man]My gosh.
971
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:21,960
[Barack Obama]There's footage and records
972
00:47:22,005 --> 00:47:24,125
of objects in the skies
973
00:47:24,174 --> 00:47:27,144
that we don't know exactlywhat they are.
974
00:47:27,177 --> 00:47:30,637
We can't explain how they moved,
975
00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:32,521
their trajectory.
976
00:47:32,558 --> 00:47:36,848
They did not havean easily explainable pattern.
977
00:47:36,895 --> 00:47:38,765
[Kean]If Russia, China and America
978
00:47:38,814 --> 00:47:41,364
all got together and said,"We're gonna acknowledge this,
979
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,990
that this doesn't comefrom any of our countries."
980
00:47:44,027 --> 00:47:45,527
I don't knowif that's ever gonna happen,
981
00:47:45,571 --> 00:47:47,531
but I think that'sthe direction we're moving in.
982
00:47:49,324 --> 00:47:53,004
[Eghigian]The thingabout the UFO phenomenon is
983
00:47:53,036 --> 00:47:54,906
it's just not a phenomenon.
984
00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:56,575
It has always been
985
00:47:56,623 --> 00:48:00,133
shrouded in mystery.
986
00:48:00,168 --> 00:48:02,208
There are peoplewho view this stuff
987
00:48:02,254 --> 00:48:03,714
as a puzzle that can be solved.
988
00:48:03,755 --> 00:48:06,375
We just needto put the pieces together.
989
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:10,850
And then there are peoplewho see these as mysteries,
990
00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:12,348
and mysteries are never solved.
991
00:48:12,848 --> 00:48:15,098
I think that'swhat John Mack felt.
992
00:48:15,142 --> 00:48:17,982
It was a mystery that was justgoing to constantly be there
993
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:21,610
because what we do as humanbeings is work through them.
994
00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,151
[Blumenthal]There's two huge mysteries,
995
00:48:25,193 --> 00:48:27,243
I think, uh, out there.One is:
996
00:48:27,279 --> 00:48:29,109
Are we alone in the universe?
997
00:48:30,449 --> 00:48:33,989
The second mystery is:What happens after we die?
998
00:48:34,953 --> 00:48:36,253
And maybe they're related.
999
00:48:37,122 --> 00:48:39,422
Those are the two big mysteries.
1000
00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:42,707
[man]Have you seenthis image captured
1001
00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:44,303
by the Hubble Telescope
1002
00:48:44,338 --> 00:48:46,838
of the farthest ever viewof the universe?
1003
00:48:46,882 --> 00:48:48,882
Every dot is a galaxy.
1004
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:50,756
[Eghigian]It's fantastic.
1005
00:48:50,802 --> 00:48:54,602
But, on one hand,it makes you feel small,
1006
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,850
makes us feel really tiny.
1007
00:48:56,892 --> 00:49:00,192
But you're also sort ofcaught up with this sense
1008
00:49:00,228 --> 00:49:03,518
that there's something biggerout there.
1009
00:49:03,565 --> 00:49:07,565
Carl Sagan used to say we areall made of star stuff, right?
1010
00:49:07,611 --> 00:49:10,911
We are all made of this cosmos,and so there's a sense
1011
00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:14,738
of being connected to somethingthat is bigger than us.
1012
00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:16,535
tense, dramatic music
1013
00:49:37,015 --> 00:49:38,805
dramatic music
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