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I have concluded the ABM Treaty

hinders our government's
ability to develop ways

to protect our people
from future terrorists

or rogue state missile attacks.

Today I have given
formal notice to Russia

that the United States
of America

is withdrawing from this
almost 30-year-old treaty.

On what basis?

The system we are contemplating

would not undermine
Russia's deterrent

or the principles of mutual
deterrence and strategic stability.

The missile defense
capabilities we are developing

are not designed to defend
against Russia,

just as the new NATO
we are building

is not designed
to defend against Russia.

The Cold War is over.

Russia is not our enemy.

- Okay, so no rules.
- New rules.

American rules.

Oh, well, this is actually
what Reagan and Gorbachev

came so close to achieving
in 1986.

At one point, they wanted
to go all the way...

Complete disarmament.

Right, right.

So stop referring to them
as partners, our partners.

You've said that too much.

You should wish me a...

happy Fourth of July, being
that the, uh... an American.

It's our independence day,
so to speak.

So, uh, in a, in a hot war,

is the US dominant? Yes or no?

No.

It would, it would be
a case of, uh,

Russia surviving it?

Even with the missile shields?

This was originally proposed,
you know, by John Kennedy,

with Nikita Khrushchev in 1963.

- I know.
- It was a crazy time.

Uh... Stanley Kubrick,
a filmmaker I much admire,

made a wonderful film
called Dr. Strangelove

How I Learned to Love the Bomb.

Has he seen it?

- No.
- Ah, you must see it.

Really, it's well worth it.

It's a classic. Because the...

Mr. Kennedy was dealing
with the military system

that had been growing and
growing since World War II,

and the generals,
at that point, knew

that the Soviet Union did not
have the capacity to match them.

And many of them said, this is the
time to hit the Soviet Union.

So there was a desire for a
unilateral strike against Russia.

Kennedy said, you're crazy,

and then as, as other situations
developed in Berlin and Cuba,

it became more dangerous.

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Well, the United States
has become more right wing

since the Ronald Reagan era,

and now we have Hillary
Clinton on the left...

Supposed left, she's the Democratic
challenger, probably will be...

Making very aggressive statements
also against, uh, about Ukraine

and comparing
Mr. Putin to, uh, Hitler.

The United States has never really
had a war on its own homeland...

- That's true.
- And to many people,

who are very important people,
war is somewhat of a game.

I fear that still
in the United States.

I fear the neo...
The neoconservative element

as being so hungry...

to make their point, to win their
case, that it's dangerous.

Uh, hello, D... hello, Dimitri.

Listen, uh,
I can't hear too well.

Do you suppose you could turn
the music down just a little?

Oh, oh, that's much better.

Yeah. Yeah.

Now then, Dimitri, you know how

we've always talked
about the possibility

of something going wrong
with the bomb.

The bomb, Dimitri.

The hydrogen bomb.

Well, now, what happened is, uh,

one of our base commanders,

he had a sort of...

Well, he went
a little funny in the head,

you know,
just a little... funny.

And, uh, he went and did
a silly thing.

Well, I'll tell you what he did.
He ordered his planes...

to attack your country.

Yes, but, uh, the whole point
of the doomsday machine

is lost...

if you keep it a secret.

Why didn't you tell
the world, eh?

It was to be announced

at the Party Congress on Monday.

As you know,
the premier loves surprises.

Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo!

Woo-woo-ha!

Woo, woo-hoo!

Woo-hoo!

♪ We'll meet again ♪

♪ Don't know where,
don't know when... ♪

A lot of this footage
was unknown at that time.

It was, you know,
revealed in this movie.

Thank you for indulging me.

I thought the, uh, the Russian
premier was very good.

He was... Dimitri.

The concept of nuclear winter,
you know, the end of the world,

that was the, uh,
you know, the hydrogen bomb.

The scientists, they talked about
it in... right after the war,

and, uh, Truman
went ahead anyway.

I believe that.

- At some point.
- Thank you very much. Bye.

Okay.

Thank you so much.

There you go.

Bye-bye.

♪ ♪

You look colorful.

You look like... Mighty Mouse.
No, that's cool.

Very nice.

Yeah, we'll be, uh,
on the ice, looking at you.

Any advice?

But he's told
all the other hockey players

that he's gonna score
two goals or one?

Do they check him
as hard as they want?

You started
playing hockey at 40?

Three years ago.
Really? At age 50?

That's pretty cool.

Oh, at age 60. I'm sorry.

I keep thinking you're 53,
instead you're 63.

You know,
I couldn't skate before that.

I know. I heard that.

You fell down one time.

You were tired.

Twice.

Tired in the legs, no?

At your age? Come on.

If he gets checked, I mean, he
could easily break a bone, right?

What if, uh, one of the men
on either team admitted...

In Russia... that he was gay?

Could he keep it quiet?

Well, you have
the propaganda law.

Yeah.

There's a tradition, though...

Whatever he says,
there's a tradition...

There is a macho tradition
in Russia,

a pretty strong one.

No, that's different.

Is that true
in the military as well?

- No restriction in the military?
- No prohibition.

I mean, if you're taking
a shower in a submarine

with a man
and you know he's gay,

then do they have
a problem with that?

Could I just point out,
even in a society

where there's some malfunction,
there will be many orphans,

and some of those orphans
could be adopted

by same-sex couples?

Gay people across Russia say there's
been a surge of intolerance,

discrimination and violence,

and it started around the time
Russia's parliament passed

what's become known
as the "gay propaganda law."

Moscow is not Sodom.

We are here to support normal people
that want to create families.

I hear you work out
almost every day

or five times a week?

- Seven days? No.
- Yes.

That's too much.

Swim first, then gym?

Right. Then relax the muscles.

Do you think when you swim?

Do you get ideas...

from the unconscious? Do you
find it to be meditative?

This is for badminton or what?

♪ ♪

Judo master, yeah.

- Very much. Yeah.
- Yes? Is good?

So all your, uh, all your
energy, your aggressive energy

comes out in judo
in the morning, or exercise?

Does he have a trainer?

- Well, I used to have one.
- Yeah.

And I think I'm a master.

Probably helps you a lot. Yeah.

I have to raise some concerns

that are raised
by Foreign Affairs magazine,

which I consider like the
official government viewpoint.

This is the Council
for Foreign Relations,

they publish this,
and they have all these experts

who come in and they write
on their fields in Russia.

Some of these questions
are raised by them.

Yeah...

Putin's Russia, down...

That's, that's their
point of view, yeah.

I understand.

This is their... This is
an official point of view,

and therefore, it has... it is
listened to in Washington,

and this is what
he has to deal with.

I'm not gonna argue with that.

Why did you... after 2001...

Why did you acquiesce

in the US military encroachment
across Central Asia?

He said that they were...

He said that they were not
gonna stay forever?

When was the wool pulled
from his eyes?

No, I mean, by 2007 in Munich,

he's casting another eye
on this relationship, correct?

What happens between 2002-03,

he has the Iraqi invasion,

then he has the Ukrainian
orange revolution in 2004.

What is he thinking when the
Ukrainian revolution goes down?

Hundreds of thousands of pro-democracy
Ukrainians in the streets

today protested against the results
of the presidential election,

pitting their candidate, the West-leaning
challenger Victor Yushchenko,

against the pro-Moscow prime
minister Victor Yanukovych.

They claim Yanukovych's
victory was rigged,

with reports of ballot stuffing
and voter intimidation.

In Ukraine today,
anti-government demonstrators

finally had something
to celebrate.

The parliament voted to disband
the government of the candidate

who has been declared the winner of
the disputed presidential election.

Opposition leader Victor
Yuschenko joined his supporters

in a victory celebration
early this morning.

With most votes counted,
the Western-leaning economist

leads by an insurmountable
nine percentage points.

He thanked the hundreds of thousands
who had taken to the streets

to demand democratic change.

Earlier, his opponent, the Soviet-style
prime minister Victor Yanukovych,

looked defeated
but conceded nothing.

He let that situation go, but
then somewhere between 2004

and 2007 in Munich,
the ball moves the other way.

Iraq's a disaster,
Afghanistan's been a disaster.

Somewhere in there,
he changes his point of view.

I can't wait to visit with, uh,

my friend Vladimir Putin
in Shanghai...

to reiterate, once again,

that the Cold War is over,

it's done with,

and that there are
new threats that we face.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah.

I know it.

We know that Bush supported

the Georgian offensive in 2008.

Georgia is under attack
from its neighbor Russia,

and the whole day today,
they've been bombing Georgia

from, uh, numerous war planes,

uh, and, uh, specifically
targeting civilian population.

The United States
of America stands

with the democratically
elected government of Georgia.

Columns of Russian tanks and troops
rolled into the American-backed

former Soviet Republic
of Georgia today.

Georgia attacked its then breakaway
Republic of South Ossetia,

with the aim of bringing it back
under Tbilisi's control.

But Georgia is reported to have resumed
aerial and artillery bombardment

of Tskhinvali, the main town
in South Ossetia.

Hundreds of civilians

and more than 70 peacekeepers

were killed in
the following days.

Did you take a gamble?

Your government launched its own
attempt to retake South Ossetia, um,

- just 24 hours ago.
- No, we didn't.

- Was that unwise in retrospect?
- We didn't.

We didn't.
At twenty-four a. m. last night,

Russian APCs started to cross
into Georgian territory.

And there we had to act.

There we had
to fire back the artillery.

There we had to take measures, because
it was a clear-cut case of intervention.

Do you think that, uh, the US,
uh, or NATO in any way

were supporting Saakashvili to do this?
Or told him to... it was okay to try?

As you know,
Putin's a straightforward,

pretty tough character...

when it comes to his interests.
Well, so am I.

And, uh, you know, we've had
some, some headbutts...

diplomatic headbutts.

Most Americans think that Russia
is certainly as bad as the US

when it comes
to, uh, surveillance.

As bad. That's just an assumption,
because of the old KGB.

You're serious about that? I mean, you
don't think you're as good technically?

I'm not talking about money.
I'm talking about technically.

Yeah, that's different, though.

Is Russia collecting any bulk
communication in any form?

Everything is sort of targeted?

We're just talking about collection,
not reading it, just collecting it.

Just using all the telephone system
or using all the Internet system.

Fifteen percent of
the population is Islamic,

in Russia, that's what I'm told,

and many of them are in Moscow.

So, then you're telling me

that there's no
bulk collection on Muslims?

Yes. Have a good night, sir.

Good night to you.

- Spasibo.
- Thank you.

- Oliver's wife.
- Nice to meet you, ma'am.

Very nice to meet you,
Mr. President.

- Your first time in Russia?
- Yeah, first time in Russia, yes.

- Not in Saint Petersburg?
- No, no, just in Moscow.

You must go now
to Saint Petersburg.

- Okay. Thank you.
- Bye-bye.

♪ ♪

♪ ♪

Um, I want to talk
about Snowden a bit?

You said that
you're in good with Bush.

And, presumably,
you were good with Obama.

You were dealing
with him on Syria,

you were dealing
with him on Iran.

And then, uh, out of the blue,

you give asylum
to Edward Snowden.

So it's June 2013,
you get a call, I suppose.

You hear that Snowden is
on the way.

I'm sure you get calls
from the US, including Obama.

How do you handle... How does the situation
devolve, and how do you handle it?

He just disappeared?

To Cuba, yeah.

And then Ecuador. Yeah.

While he was in the plane?

Why not?

Did Obama get on a phone
with you?

Uh, let me ask you, I'm sure you must
have... As an ex-KGB, uh, agent...

You must have hated what Snowden did
with every fiber of your being.

Right.

♪ ♪

Did you agree with what he did?

Did you think the, uh, National
Security Agency had gone too far

in its eavesdropping?

But he should not have whistled?

So, he's saying that he should
not have whistle-blown,

and he should've resigned, in
principle, on the principle,

like Mr. Putin did
when he resigned from the KGB?

Okay. So, uh, you do agree
that the NSA went too far?

And how do you feel about Russian intelligence
activities in their surveillance?

In a scene in the movie, we show

where Snowden
discusses the heat map.

Okay, so this is data collection
for the month of March,

worldwide,
e-mails and Skype calls.

So France, 70 million.

Germany, 500 million.

Brazil, two billion.

Inside the US,

3.1 billion e-mails and calls.

That's not including
any of the telecom company data.

Okay, so what's
the collection of Russia?

Russia is...

1.5 billion.

Wait. So we're collecting
twice as much in the US

- as we are in Russia?
- Yeah, I figured it was a lot...

- Russia is number two,
- US is number one.

Well, you must be spying on the US,
because if the US is spying on you,

I mean, the Americans are gonna
say, I'm sure you're spying on us.

The Snowden affair in terms
of the US-Russia relationship

seemed to turn, was a big deal

for the neoconservative
movement in the US.

And the neocons seemed to focus
in on Russia once again.

It wasn't too long afterward
that the Ukraine issue came up.

I think I would consider
Snowden a pawn in a game.

Unless they wanted him here,
in Moscow, to embarrass.

Really?

Very strong.

Well, one thing is clear.

I think the only place in the
world where he's... safe

is here, in Russia.

And there's
a great irony in this.

In the old days,

the Russian defectors would go
to the United States.

This is a reversal.

- No, I'm not saying that.
- I'm saying it's ironic.

♪ ♪

So, uh, this is your dacha.

Your ranch.

Official state residence.
And you come here on weekends?

So it's about 25 minutes,
20 minutes from Moscow.

His adoption of orthodox religion
back into the Russian system,

he's been a proponent of that.

I understand, but there's been
a renaissance of...

Right.

When he comes here, does...

Where does he, uh,
sit if he sits?

Are there any chairs?
Does he sit down?

So how do you...?

The mass is while you stand.

Aha.

I see.

People don't pray in... uh, kneeling.
They pray standing.

This weekend, you have guests
coming over for the weekend?

The two daughters are married,
and they bring their husbands,

so you meet your son-in-laws
on the weekend?

So are you a grandfather yet?

Do you like your grandchildren?

So, are you a good grandfather? Do
you play with them in the garden?

Very seldom. Do you...

Do the son-in-laws argue
with you?

They have different opinions?
They give you sort of gossip?

Daughters too?

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's amazing.

You're a very lucky man.

Two good children.

Yeah.

Good. So...

♪ ♪

That's a beauty.
What is this, a race horse?

Looks like a thoroughbred.

Yeah?

He rides them all?

Well, if they throw you,
these are big horses.

Yeah. That's dangerous.

I must've fallen off
five, six times.

And here's a tiny one.

♪ ♪

You have the largest
Muslim population in Europe.

You've mentioned in the past
the, uh, white, uh,

the Russian ethnic population
is diminishing.

Right.

You've said several times
in the last two days, you know,

that Russia is a democracy.

Your critics in America,
and there are many,

would say that Russia
is not a democracy,

Russia is a traditional
authoritarian state...

and that, uh, there is, uh...

The parliament does not decide,

does not make major decisions.

There's limited access to, uh,
television for the opposition parties,

that... your party
dominates the media.

The registration process
is difficult

for these opposition parties,

that there's a lack
of judicial independence,

although that's an old problem
in Russia, I gather.

These are the criticisms
that are often launched at you.

I'd love you to take a chance
here and respond to that.

♪ ♪

What do you think of these
candidates in the US election?

No, we want to hear
what you think.

This is a personal thing,
uh, characters.

- How about Bernie Sanders?
- Would you like that?

Yeah. I get it.

But you didn't answer
my question about Sanders.

Do you like him?

Aah!

Yeah.

But you do realize how powerful
your answer could be

if you said suddenly
that you prefer X candidate...

he would go like that tomorrow.

And if you say you didn't like
Trump or something, right?

What would happen?
He'd win, right?

You have that amount
of power in the US.

Thank you, sir.
We'll see you tomorrow.

Talk about some heavier stuff.

♪ ♪

Thank you, sir.

- Yes. Thanks very much.
- Bye-bye.

♪ ♪