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- I have dedicated my life,
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my entire life,
since being a boy to now,
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to being an artist,
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and to do so in a way that was,
to me, self-righteous.
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I want the world to be
the way that I envision it.
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And that means that the world
is full of conflicts,
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and so am I.
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I'm in conflict with everything
out there that pisses me off,
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that upsets me,
that's, you know, not--
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that's not just,
that's not right.
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- A speedy trial
in front of a jury of peers,
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it's one of our
Constitutional rights.
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But there are those
that think the Sixth Amendment
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ought to be amended
to include trial by mainframe.
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- When jurors found OJ Simpson
not guilty,
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more than a difference
of opinion separated them
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from New York computer
scientist Joseph Bonuso.
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- We found OJ guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt.
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He was guilty of murder.
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- As designed,
the Solomon Project
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at the New York University
Law School
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is supposed to take the jury
out of jurisprudence,
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casting all trials
to the impartiality
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of artificial intelligence.
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Testimony, evidence,
and precedence
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were entered into the computer,
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and a complicated formula
using fuzzy logic
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helped render a verdict.
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[tape rewinding]
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- A jury is a manipulated group
of puppets.
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[playful music]
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♪
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- As a prankster, I always
have my guard up in general,
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especially
when I hear Joey's name.
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- You run...
- A brothel for dogs.
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- A brothel for dogs.
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- How would you feel
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if you had covered
Joey Skaggs' Cathouse for Dogs?
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- Would you welcome the inventor
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of the fish tank condo,
Joey Skaggs.
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- Joey Skaggs, he's fooled
every major American network
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with his elaborate hoaxes.
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- Print this guy, Mike.
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I want to make sure we never see
him again under any other name.
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- How do we even know
that you are Joey Skaggs?
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How do we even know
what you're saying
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about these media outlets
is true?
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- Any journalist who falls
for a Joey Skaggs prank is...
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it's their own fault.
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- He thinks that cockroaches
are very important to all of us.
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- A cockroach hormone pill
to cure everything.
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- Cockroach Cure.
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Now, would you read
that article?
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- It's because
they didn't look closely.
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They didn't fact-check.
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They didn't make that call
to verify something.
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- My parents were missionaries
in Kenya.
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[all roaring]
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- Would you ever believe
all the things
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you see on television?
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Hoaxes performed
before your very eyes.
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- Don't you feel bad
when you do it?
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- I feel very good.
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- I was pissed off at Joey
for a period of time.
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But I decided to forgive him,
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because Joey does
what I really love,
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and that is, he makes you laugh,
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and when he makes you laugh,
he makes you think.
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- Well, about a month ago
we told you about a man
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who came up with a way
to render verdicts
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without all the arguing
in the jury room.
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But he didn't say anything
about being embarrassed,
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which is what CNN is right now.
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- We've learned his invention
was all a big hoax,
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and we fell for it.
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- Wow, that thing on TV news
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that we were all talking about
wasn't true.
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- I remember
being kind of scared.
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Like, oh, my God,
we've been found out.
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And Joey's like,
"No, this is all part of it.
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"It's all part of it,
because they have to find out.
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That's the other part."
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- I can't put that
on the back of a tricycle.
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There's just no way.
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So I'm gonna stick
with the missile.
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The missile it is.
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First, I'd get it extended.
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Making sure
that it was supported.
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And then I would,
like you said,
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a pipe with a flange.
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[tool grinding]
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We have Iran, you know,
still playing games.
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North Korea
still playing games.
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You have surveillance drones.
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You have Russia being very upset
with what's going on with NATO,
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with moving missiles
to their borders.
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There are just so many issues
that this relates to, and it's--
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- You know what, though?
- And it's satire.
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I mean, it's a mobile
rocket launcher.
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- The thing is, you know,
something may just,
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in the next six weeks, happen.
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- Yeah.
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- And, it's just gonna need
to be ready.
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- What color do we paint it?
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We have the North Korean flag
on it,
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the Iranian flag on it?
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If I had a robe,
I can be an Arab.
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I like to mix it up.
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It doesn't have
to always be a hoax.
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It can be a direct
theatrical piece
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which is a political statement
or a confrontation.
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I just love the fact
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that here I am in the middle
of rural America
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with people who,
you know, you wonder
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whether they would agree with
your political stance or not,
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but they're willing to do it.
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The rocket's the rocket.
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That'll be a great visual,
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peddling down the streets
of New York.
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Or wherever.
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Jon.
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Well, you're not
gonna believe this.
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I just came back with Judy
from seeing Sacha Baron Cohen,
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Cohen's film, "The Dictator."
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And, yeah, so he's got a missile
in it, you know?
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And he's paying homage
to North Korea,
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and, you know, he's an Arab
building a missile, you know.
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[laughing]
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It's like, oh, fuck, man.
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You know?
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But he didn't have it
on the back of a tricycle.
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So we'll stick with the rocket.
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And we'll just have the mobile
rocket launcher, and that's it.
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And I just have to...
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I may not dress up
like an Arab,
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as I thought I might.
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Or as a North Korean,
as I thought I might.
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Maybe I should go as Uncle Sam.
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I don't know, I don't know.
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It's not the same thing, but...
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you know,
he's got it covered kind of.
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Rethink this one.
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You got to be first.
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Not always easy.
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Look, life throws you
a lot of curveballs.
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You have to be prepared for it.
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You have to go with the flow.
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There's, you know--you don't
have a lot of choices.
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And what happened with me was,
my father had dementia.
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He was bedridden
for nine years.
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My mother was incapable
of living alone
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and taking care of herself.
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I said that, you know,
when she needed me,
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I would be here full-time.
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And she needed me.
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So I had to give up Hawaii
and New York.
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- Right after my husband died,
he came from Hawaii,
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and it was a big change for him.
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And I'm not gonna say
what he calls this place,
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but it's not been
his greatest move,
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because he doesn't have access
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to the things
that he's used to.
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- It's a tricycle,
it's a three-wheeler.
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And on the back
of the three-wheeler,
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there's a platform that's gonna
hold the confessional booth.
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Whoa.
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[laughing]
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[staples popping]
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I've got some crucifixes.
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[dramatic music]
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- From FOX 5,
this is Election '92.
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Good evening, I'm Jack Cafferty
at Madison Square Garden.
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Cora Ann will join us shortly
from the studio.
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Now, if anyone at
the convention's feeling guilty
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about something
they may have done,
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they don't have to go far
to confess their sins.
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A man who calls himself
Father William
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has mounted a portable
confessional booth
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on his bicycle.
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- For delegates who feel they
may have overindulged a bit,
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a Catholic priest has set up
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a mobile confessional
outside Madison Square Garden.
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- A Southern California priest
has the answer for Catholics
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who don't have time to confess.
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He calls it Portofess.
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- Father Joseph,
who is schlepping a Portofess,
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a portable confession booth,
around by bike.
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[jaunty music]
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♪
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- Well, I didn't start out
as a prankster.
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I was a child artist.
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I had a passion for art.
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I always drew,
I painted, I sculpted.
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I just knew that I wanted
to be an artist.
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That was my dream.
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- Most children,
they don't obey their parents.
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They don't want to accept
rules and regulations
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and come in at a certain time.
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He was just a normal child
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who just didn't want to do
what Mama and Papa said.
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- My parents moved
to a little area
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on the Brooklyn-Queens
borderline called Laurel Hill,
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by Newtown Creek,
a real industrial slum area.
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And there was
Calvary Cemetery there,
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the Kosciuszko Bridge.
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And off in the distance
was Manhattan.
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[dramatic music]
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I was a young artist.
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I knew what I wanted to be.
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And I wanted to be in Manhattan.
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[jaunty music]
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♪
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It was a junior-high-school
art teacher that told me
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about the High School
of Art and Design.
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And I was really fortunate
enough to be accepted
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into this
extraordinary high school.
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And it was all young artists,
and the teachers were artists.
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And it was inspirational.
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- My husband
never agreed, never.
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- Well, what does your son do?
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He's a fine artist.
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What the fuck is a fine artist?
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- And I said, well, as far
as I'm concerned, so be it.
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It's his life.
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And if he says
it's what he wants to do,
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that's fine with me.
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- You have a dream, a passion.
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I'm gonna be an artist.
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I'll just do all my work,
and then I'll be discovered.
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[laughs]
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I'll just paint and paint,
and somebody's gonna go,
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"Oh, genius!"
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But it doesn't always work out
that way for most people.
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You're forced to wait until
you are accepted into a gallery
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and then have a show
and then hope for a review.
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There was
no immediacy involved.
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And I wanted the immediacy.
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I like things now.
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I said, fuck that.
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I'm just--I'm gonna do it
in the streets.
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I'm gonna do it my way.
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[upbeat rock music]
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♪
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- Here in the "Time" Magazine
I read about a guy
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who took a load of hippies,
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who were long-haired,
strange-looking people,
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as you well know,
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put them on a bus
and took them to Queens.
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♪
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- We took pictures of people
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mowing their lawns
and washing their cars,
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and I took people to
Howard Johnson's for ice cream
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and White Castle
for, you know, hamburgers.
257
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And they screamed,
"We're bring invaded!
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We're being invaded!"
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- Day and night,
there were busloads of tourists
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from all over America,
all over the world,
261
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coming through, looking
at the hippies in the Village.
262
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- But to have freaks
go to suburbia
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and take pictures of them.
264
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"Oh, we're being invaded!"
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- I think that is the definition
of great political art,
266
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is when it goes
outside of the museum
267
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and affects people
in their daily life.
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- If I had
a show of my paintings
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and 1,000 people
or 10,000 people came,
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that would be considered
a great success.
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But if I'm capable
of accessing the news
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and millions of people see it,
273
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well, there's
a tremendous difference
274
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between 10,000 and 10 million.
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[upbeat rock music]
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♪
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- He was wilder in the '60s.
278
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His stuff was so raw
and so fresh
279
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that it was like
experimental jazz.
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♪
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- The war motivated
everything we were doing.
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Even though what we were doing
283
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may not have been
specifically about the war,
284
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underneath it was
kind of a motor.
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It kept us going.
286
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Whether you could call it
anger or dissatisfaction
287
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or unhappiness,
288
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whatever it was inside us
was making us make our art.
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♪
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- The war in Vietnam
was going on.
291
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People are killing one another.
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What kind of God
are we talking about here?
293
00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:12,912
And so I constructed
a life-size sculpture
294
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of a dead and decayed figure
on a crucifix.
295
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[garage rock music]
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♪
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I dragged it on my back...
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- Up 5th Avenue.
299
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- Into the Easter Day Parade.
300
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- Easter Parade,
well-to-do people
301
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walking on 5th Avenue in
their most beautiful clothing.
302
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- When I got to the doors
of St. Patrick's,
303
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the police
locked the church doors,
304
00:15:48,034 --> 00:15:49,557
pushed the piece and me,
305
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,254
kicked the piece,
kicked me.
306
00:15:51,298 --> 00:15:53,778
"Kill him! Kill him! Kill him!"
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00:15:53,822 --> 00:15:55,171
And I just
dropped the sculpture,
308
00:15:55,215 --> 00:15:56,956
and I ran down the block
309
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and jumped into a cab
and got away.
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[siren wailing]
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The police became
the Roman soldiers.
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The crowd became, you know,
the jeering crowd.
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And it was a total reenactment
of over 2,000 years ago.
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♪
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- He was at the right place
at the right time.
316
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Had the wish, the energy,
and the love
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to explore it and push it.
318
00:16:30,902 --> 00:16:32,817
- The war in Vietnam dragged on,
319
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and I had to continue
to protest against it.
320
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So I built a life-sized
Vietnamese village
321
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portraying
a Vietnamese nativity.
322
00:16:40,086 --> 00:16:42,784
And I chose to do it on
Christmas Day in Central Park.
323
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I got all of my friends
with fake guns and helmets
324
00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:51,923
and whatever
we could put together,
325
00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:53,969
in an attempt to burn it
to the ground.
326
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[garage rock music]
327
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And, of course,
the cops found us.
328
00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:00,584
They were looking for me.
329
00:17:00,628 --> 00:17:01,977
"Has anyone seen Joey Skaggs?"
330
00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:03,761
They had a piece of paper.
331
00:17:03,805 --> 00:17:06,068
They even asked me,
"Have you seen Joey Skaggs?"
332
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I said, "He was around here
a minute ago."
333
00:17:07,504 --> 00:17:10,551
[music fading]
334
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:17,427
And then "The New York Times"
does a story--
335
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"Hippies arrested
for littering."
336
00:17:21,649 --> 00:17:23,433
Gee, they missed my intent.
337
00:17:23,477 --> 00:17:25,000
That's not what I was saying.
338
00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:26,828
That's not what I meant.
339
00:17:26,871 --> 00:17:29,048
I was doing something
against the war in Vietnam.
340
00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:36,055
I watched how the media twisted
and torqued
341
00:17:36,098 --> 00:17:38,579
the intent, content, meaning
of the message
342
00:17:38,622 --> 00:17:40,450
to suit their own agenda.
343
00:17:40,494 --> 00:17:43,932
And I realized that the media
has an amazing ability
344
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to mold public opinion.
345
00:17:45,673 --> 00:17:49,894
So I decided,
rather than just use the media
346
00:17:49,938 --> 00:17:52,680
to try to get attention
for my work,
347
00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:56,988
I would use the media
as part of my work.
348
00:17:57,032 --> 00:17:59,817
Exploit their vulnerability,
gullibility,
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00:17:59,861 --> 00:18:03,473
necessity for being
out there first,
350
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and incorporate this
into a theatrical performance.
351
00:18:08,391 --> 00:18:10,306
And then... [pops lips]
352
00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:11,655
See what happens.
353
00:18:11,699 --> 00:18:14,615
[garage rock music]
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♪
355
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Handler and vet on duty,
356
00:18:29,891 --> 00:18:31,545
stud and photo service
available.
357
00:18:31,588 --> 00:18:32,807
No weirdos, please.
358
00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:34,374
Dogs only, by appointment.
359
00:18:34,417 --> 00:18:36,158
- I can't believe
that the "Village Voice,"
360
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for all its great reporting,
fell for that one.
361
00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:40,597
That always makes me laugh.
362
00:18:40,641 --> 00:18:42,599
- It was, you know, outrageous.
363
00:18:42,643 --> 00:18:45,385
But it was a sex story,
and it was a dog story.
364
00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:47,082
The media likes to have,
you know,
365
00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:48,562
little kids and dog stories
all the time.
366
00:18:48,605 --> 00:18:49,650
There has to be an animal.
367
00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:51,391
Boom, I put that out.
368
00:18:51,434 --> 00:18:53,044
And the phone rang off the hook.
369
00:18:53,088 --> 00:18:55,308
I got together
a group of actors,
370
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a bunch of dogs in a loft
in downtown Manhattan...
371
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And created a theatrical
performance for the press.
372
00:19:02,402 --> 00:19:04,012
- Okay, so what was going to be
373
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just the gag
of having this ad appear
374
00:19:06,362 --> 00:19:08,059
turned out to be
something you had to concoct
375
00:19:08,103 --> 00:19:09,583
because there was so much
media interest in it.
376
00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:10,584
- But that's what I wanted.
377
00:19:10,627 --> 00:19:11,585
I wanted to do that.
378
00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:13,195
I was setting it up.
379
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- Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.
380
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This is Alex Bennett.
381
00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:18,548
And tonight "Midnight Blue"
visits a cathouse
382
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where all the females
are real bitches.
383
00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:25,903
- Betty Drake and Blackberry.
384
00:19:25,947 --> 00:19:29,690
Isn't she beautiful?
385
00:19:29,733 --> 00:19:32,214
This meeting is to introduce
the customers and their dogs
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to the brothel, to the bitches.
387
00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:35,957
And after they've chosen
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which bitch they wish
their dog to mate with,
389
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we then inject the dogs
with the drug
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which induces heat,
and we have a second meeting
391
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then when they copulate.
392
00:19:44,705 --> 00:19:46,924
- And we had a really horny
male dog that was there,
393
00:19:46,968 --> 00:19:50,450
and his mojo kicked in,
and he was just humping space.
394
00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:51,538
He would hump anything.
395
00:19:51,581 --> 00:19:52,756
He'd just grab a head.
396
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,018
He'd grab anything.
397
00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:55,977
And it looked like a dog orgy.
398
00:19:56,020 --> 00:19:59,110
[dogs panting]
399
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I wrote letters to editors.
400
00:20:01,243 --> 00:20:03,898
I said, "I've taken my dog,
you know, to the cathouse,
401
00:20:03,941 --> 00:20:05,029
"and he had a great time.
402
00:20:05,073 --> 00:20:06,335
I recommend this."
403
00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:08,032
Or, "I've taken my dog there,
404
00:20:08,076 --> 00:20:09,730
"and he was attacked
by other dogs.
405
00:20:09,773 --> 00:20:11,122
You know, I'm thinking
about suing."
406
00:20:11,166 --> 00:20:12,559
I created a controversy.
407
00:20:12,602 --> 00:20:15,039
- I'm completely against it.
408
00:20:15,083 --> 00:20:20,001
Number one, I think you're
gonna be taking female dogs,
409
00:20:20,044 --> 00:20:21,698
causing them
to go through false
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00:20:21,742 --> 00:20:24,135
or silent non-ovulatory heats.
411
00:20:24,179 --> 00:20:26,747
- I created a second controversy
in the Cathouse for Dogs
412
00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:28,705
when I got so many calls
413
00:20:28,749 --> 00:20:30,620
from people
wanting to have sex with dogs
414
00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:33,971
or wanting to watch women
getting screwed by dogs.
415
00:20:34,015 --> 00:20:35,538
So I thought,
well, here's an opportunity.
416
00:20:35,582 --> 00:20:39,281
I will create a diversion
417
00:20:39,325 --> 00:20:41,718
so that people don't question
the initial premise.
418
00:20:41,762 --> 00:20:43,459
So I sent out
a second press release
419
00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:46,027
saying there's absolutely
no animal-human contact
420
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:47,811
happening
in the Cathouse for Dogs.
421
00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:50,161
And so that had, you know,
422
00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:52,947
the effect
of making you not think,
423
00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:55,341
"Well, is there really
a cathouse for dogs?"
424
00:20:55,384 --> 00:20:56,820
Because now you're thinking,
425
00:20:56,864 --> 00:20:59,301
"People are having sex
with dogs.
426
00:20:59,345 --> 00:21:00,781
Oh, my God."
427
00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:03,697
So when ABC Television
called me,
428
00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:07,483
they wanted to do a piece
on the brothel for dogs.
429
00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:12,532
So I provided WABC
with an interview
430
00:21:12,575 --> 00:21:14,316
in Washington Square Park
431
00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:18,015
and a videotape of
the "Midnight Blue" performance.
432
00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:19,800
And they did a documentary
433
00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:22,150
which was nominated
and, I later found out,
434
00:21:22,193 --> 00:21:25,196
won the Emmy
as Best News Broadcast
435
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,330
for the inside
of an animal-cruelty story.
436
00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:30,071
- In the United States,
437
00:21:30,114 --> 00:21:32,769
there's a myth
of the happy-go-lucky vagabond.
438
00:21:32,813 --> 00:21:35,772
The carefree mutt
with no master and no leash,
439
00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:37,818
who comes and goes
as he pleases
440
00:21:37,861 --> 00:21:40,386
and does whatever his nose
tells him to do.
441
00:21:40,429 --> 00:21:42,344
This establishment
in Greenwich Village
442
00:21:42,388 --> 00:21:44,172
is a cathouse for dogs.
443
00:21:44,215 --> 00:21:46,522
By that, we do not mean
a stud service.
444
00:21:46,566 --> 00:21:49,351
We mean a house of prostitution
for dogs.
445
00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:52,398
For $50, your dog can have sex
with a female dog
446
00:21:52,441 --> 00:21:54,225
while you watch
and sip cocktails
447
00:21:54,269 --> 00:21:55,966
and take some pictures
if you'd like to.
448
00:21:56,010 --> 00:21:57,707
- It was such an obvious idea
to me.
449
00:21:57,751 --> 00:21:59,100
First of all,
there are hundreds of thousands
450
00:21:59,143 --> 00:22:00,580
of dogs in the city.
451
00:22:00,623 --> 00:22:02,408
There's a dog-population
problem.
452
00:22:02,451 --> 00:22:05,411
People are willing to take their
dogs to dog restaurants.
453
00:22:05,454 --> 00:22:10,894
I thought it'd be natural to get
their dogs sexually gratified.
454
00:22:10,938 --> 00:22:14,071
They got after me, the ASPCA,
the Bureau of Animal Affairs,
455
00:22:14,115 --> 00:22:15,769
the NYPD Vice Squad,
456
00:22:15,812 --> 00:22:17,814
various religious
and humane organizations.
457
00:22:17,858 --> 00:22:19,860
And I was subpoenaed
by the Attorney General
458
00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:22,384
for illegally running
a whorehouse for dogs.
459
00:22:22,428 --> 00:22:25,387
[upbeat music]
460
00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:27,302
♪
461
00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:30,131
- Today at the State
Attorney General's Office,
462
00:22:30,174 --> 00:22:31,828
Skaggs and his attorney
appeared
463
00:22:31,872 --> 00:22:33,613
in response to a subpoena.
464
00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:37,878
- And miraculously,
the subpoena was for April 1st--
465
00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:39,053
April Fool's Day.
466
00:22:45,755 --> 00:22:48,236
- He says the hoax
was a conceptual art piece.
467
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,020
And an expensive one.
468
00:22:50,064 --> 00:22:51,500
- For what purpose?
469
00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:53,459
- Well, it says a lot
about the media.
470
00:22:53,502 --> 00:22:55,722
I hope that it will change
the viewing audience's opinion
471
00:22:55,765 --> 00:22:58,725
and change their perspective
as to what media really is.
472
00:22:58,768 --> 00:23:00,466
There's a media reality.
473
00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:02,772
Television is not
necessarily reality.
474
00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:06,385
And millions of people
have spent weeks
475
00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:08,909
believing that there's
a cathouse for dogs.
476
00:23:08,952 --> 00:23:10,650
And, in fact, there never was.
477
00:23:10,693 --> 00:23:12,434
And that's what I did.
478
00:23:12,478 --> 00:23:14,784
I decided to have a relationship
with the news media
479
00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:17,831
where they were not
just reporting about me,
480
00:23:17,874 --> 00:23:21,965
but I was reporting about them
as well.
481
00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:24,446
Their irresponsibility,
their gullibility,
482
00:23:24,490 --> 00:23:27,101
their prejudices.
483
00:23:30,191 --> 00:23:32,759
- Joey is
the quality-control inspector.
484
00:23:32,802 --> 00:23:36,066
He's poking for the soft spots
in the media armor,
485
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:38,765
and it turns out
that it's very easy to find.
486
00:23:38,808 --> 00:23:42,072
- And in a culture like ours
that's so media-dominated,
487
00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,552
where commercial interests
488
00:23:43,596 --> 00:23:45,467
are just pushing
their propaganda on us
489
00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:47,469
from every direction,
490
00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:49,863
the lesson he teaches,
I believe,
491
00:23:49,906 --> 00:23:52,431
is, you know, be skeptical.
492
00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:54,302
Be double-skeptical.
493
00:23:54,345 --> 00:23:55,956
Don't believe what you see.
494
00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:01,875
- And if I believe that,
495
00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:04,791
what else do I believe
that's total bullshit?
496
00:24:36,736 --> 00:24:39,086
Denis, aloha, it's Joey Skaggs.
497
00:24:39,129 --> 00:24:42,829
Could you please give me
a call back when you can?
498
00:24:45,658 --> 00:24:51,533
This is a guy that is leasing
my property in Hawaii.
499
00:24:59,149 --> 00:25:03,676
I just didn't want to give up
what was, to me,
500
00:25:03,719 --> 00:25:06,243
the most important thing
in my life,
501
00:25:06,287 --> 00:25:09,725
to be an artist,
to be creative,
502
00:25:09,769 --> 00:25:12,032
to get up
when I want to get up,
503
00:25:12,075 --> 00:25:13,294
sleep when I want to sleep,
504
00:25:13,337 --> 00:25:14,382
eat when I want to eat,
505
00:25:14,425 --> 00:25:16,427
and that's it.
506
00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:18,691
It's really--you know,
you think it sounds easy.
507
00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:20,214
It's not easy.
508
00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:21,911
It's a very difficult
thing to do,
509
00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:25,698
and you give up many things
in doing that.
510
00:25:25,741 --> 00:25:29,615
But I couldn't live it
any other way.
511
00:25:29,658 --> 00:25:32,574
I don't want to live it
any other way.
512
00:25:42,236 --> 00:25:45,152
And people always want to know
what's next.
513
00:25:45,195 --> 00:25:47,371
You know, what have you
done recently?
514
00:25:58,382 --> 00:26:01,168
- You know, I could just,
you know, sit back
515
00:26:01,211 --> 00:26:06,086
and wait and see, you know,
what the next, you know...
516
00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:08,828
'Cause he can't stop.
517
00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:12,222
So, you know, if you've
been doing it for a while
518
00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:16,575
and it's a thing
that you're really good at,
519
00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:19,099
you know, why would you stop?
520
00:26:19,142 --> 00:26:22,450
What else would you do?
521
00:26:22,493 --> 00:26:26,367
- 10,000 rural farmers were
marching in the streets saying,
522
00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:28,282
"Down with Monsanto,"
523
00:26:28,325 --> 00:26:31,241
because Monsanto donated
475 tons of seeds to Haiti
524
00:26:31,285 --> 00:26:32,982
after the earthquake
to help them
525
00:26:33,026 --> 00:26:34,767
in their time of greatest need.
526
00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:37,639
- About 70% of grocery store
food in the U.S.
527
00:26:37,683 --> 00:26:41,643
contains genetically modified
organisms, or GMOs.
528
00:26:41,687 --> 00:26:43,645
- Biotech giant Monsanto,
529
00:26:43,689 --> 00:26:45,647
campaigners,
and environmental--
530
00:27:09,323 --> 00:27:11,194
- Why don't you buy these GMOs?
531
00:27:11,238 --> 00:27:13,240
And they're resistant
to Roundup, which we also make.
532
00:27:13,283 --> 00:27:15,024
So why don't you take that, too?
533
00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:16,722
And they don't grow well
in your country,
534
00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:18,506
they aren't really
from your country,
535
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:19,942
you need to buy
this synthetic fertilizer
536
00:27:19,986 --> 00:27:22,031
to go along with those.
- Right.
537
00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:23,772
- And they would lose their
own seeds in the meantime.
538
00:27:23,816 --> 00:27:26,862
[radio fading]
539
00:27:45,272 --> 00:27:49,580
- Epiphanies come in weird
places at weird times.
540
00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:06,119
I moved to Kauai because
I was looking to get away
541
00:28:06,162 --> 00:28:11,602
from all the restrictions
that I felt living in New York.
542
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,736
I've lived there for decades,
543
00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:19,654
and I know the intimate,
underbelly stories
544
00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,351
of what's going on on Kauai.
545
00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:43,069
Star Wars development,
drone development,
546
00:28:43,112 --> 00:28:44,679
GMO corn fields.
547
00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:54,776
And Hawaii's just a microcosm
of the real world.
548
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,430
This is going on all around us.
549
00:28:56,473 --> 00:28:58,040
This Pandora's box, you know,
550
00:28:58,084 --> 00:28:59,955
we've opened up
all this technology.
551
00:28:59,999 --> 00:29:01,261
Who controls it?
552
00:29:01,304 --> 00:29:03,002
Who's making money from it?
553
00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:05,004
Are we gonna be able to know
what we're eating?
554
00:29:05,047 --> 00:29:07,136
Are they going to identify it?
555
00:29:18,147 --> 00:29:20,759
My intent is to bring attention
to these issues,
556
00:29:20,802 --> 00:29:23,196
because I know that no one's
getting attention
557
00:29:23,239 --> 00:29:24,980
for the issues, nobody cares.
558
00:29:29,158 --> 00:29:31,421
So how do you make people think
559
00:29:31,465 --> 00:29:35,338
and get upset and motivate them
to take action?
560
00:29:35,382 --> 00:29:37,819
I do it by creating characters.
561
00:29:37,863 --> 00:29:40,822
[dramatic rock music]
562
00:29:40,866 --> 00:29:47,873
♪
563
00:29:50,223 --> 00:29:52,703
- There we go.
- Okay.
564
00:29:52,747 --> 00:29:59,798
♪
565
00:30:06,065 --> 00:30:09,111
[tool whirring]
566
00:30:10,678 --> 00:30:12,898
- So we're gonna do
a fake news story.
567
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:24,518
I'm trying to put together
a little mini documentary,
568
00:30:24,561 --> 00:30:26,476
about 10 minutes long,
569
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,219
so that I can either put it
in a film festival
570
00:30:30,263 --> 00:30:33,875
or make a news story out of it,
put it on YouTube,
571
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:37,313
figure out some way
I can have people
572
00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:38,488
have access to it.
573
00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:41,100
99% of this is true.
574
00:30:41,143 --> 00:30:43,798
I am the only false part.
575
00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:52,372
My character is a guy,
576
00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:55,157
whether I'm a marine biologist
or a fisherman.
577
00:30:55,201 --> 00:30:57,072
I was in a motorcycle accident,
578
00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,596
broke my jaw in several places,
knocked out my teeth.
579
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,512
And my geneticist scientist
friend said,
580
00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:04,950
"Look, you know,
we can try introducing
581
00:31:04,993 --> 00:31:07,996
"shark stem cells in your jaw
582
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,694
and see if we can
regenerate teeth."
583
00:31:10,738 --> 00:31:12,740
[laughing heartily]
584
00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:15,438
Oh, ah.
585
00:31:15,482 --> 00:31:17,527
Oh, wow.
586
00:31:17,571 --> 00:31:19,312
You have to tell a story.
587
00:31:19,355 --> 00:31:20,530
Scary, man.
588
00:31:20,574 --> 00:31:22,663
And that's the key.
589
00:31:22,706 --> 00:31:27,929
A good hoax promises
a good story and visuals.
590
00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:30,932
[exciting synth music]
591
00:31:30,976 --> 00:31:37,112
♪
592
00:31:37,156 --> 00:31:38,766
- Our next guest
on "Live at Five"
593
00:31:38,809 --> 00:31:40,463
is a man with a mission.
594
00:31:40,507 --> 00:31:42,552
He is the head of a group
called Metamorphosis,
595
00:31:42,596 --> 00:31:46,643
and he thinks that cockroaches
are very important to all of us.
596
00:31:46,687 --> 00:31:49,168
Sue and I are delighted
to welcome Dr. Josef Gregor
597
00:31:49,211 --> 00:31:50,691
to "Live at Five."
598
00:31:50,734 --> 00:31:52,388
Doctor, it's nice
to have you with us.
599
00:31:52,432 --> 00:31:54,564
You have completed
a rather exhaustive study,
600
00:31:54,608 --> 00:31:56,262
and in your words,
601
00:31:56,305 --> 00:31:58,699
the future of mankind
lies in the cockroach.
602
00:31:58,742 --> 00:32:01,441
- So I went with
this Panama hat, Panama suit,
603
00:32:01,484 --> 00:32:03,138
roach pins all over me,
604
00:32:03,182 --> 00:32:05,488
a cockroach T-shirt
saying "Metamorphosis."
605
00:32:05,532 --> 00:32:07,490
I am an entomologist.
606
00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:10,667
I've been doing research with
roaches over the past ten years.
607
00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:13,540
And I believe that roaches
are the key to human survival.
608
00:32:13,583 --> 00:32:15,150
- He wore a white hat
and a white suit.
609
00:32:15,194 --> 00:32:18,762
He looked as fraudulent
as can be.
610
00:32:18,806 --> 00:32:21,113
And I told him, "Joe,
you can't get away with this.
611
00:32:21,156 --> 00:32:22,723
Who's gonna believe it?"
612
00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:25,030
- Actually, I brought
a strand of super roach
613
00:32:25,073 --> 00:32:26,945
which I have developed,
614
00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:30,949
which is actually impervious
to all toxins known to man.
615
00:32:30,992 --> 00:32:32,602
- Those are big fellas
in there, huh?
616
00:32:32,646 --> 00:32:33,777
- Yes, they are.
617
00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:34,909
- And they're alive, Jack.
618
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:36,345
- They are alive...
619
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:37,825
- He had
this really giant cockroach
620
00:32:37,868 --> 00:32:39,958
that he had gotten
from the museum.
621
00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:43,918
When he took that out
and he put it on the desk...
622
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:47,008
- And I have developed a formula
which is a roach extract,
623
00:32:47,052 --> 00:32:50,011
which I have been taking
along with my subjects
624
00:32:50,055 --> 00:32:51,752
for the past year.
625
00:32:51,795 --> 00:32:55,930
And colds, flus, virus
have all but disappeared.
626
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:57,801
And, you know,
when you're there,
627
00:32:57,845 --> 00:33:00,282
and the red light goes on
in the camera,
628
00:33:00,326 --> 00:33:02,415
I can't believe I'm here.
629
00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:05,809
I can't believe
they're falling for this.
630
00:33:05,853 --> 00:33:07,942
The results
have been incredible.
631
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,162
And so now I'm on the set.
632
00:33:10,205 --> 00:33:12,425
Well, this is really
our theme song.
633
00:33:12,468 --> 00:33:14,470
And I had a little
tape recorder with me.
634
00:33:14,514 --> 00:33:16,168
- I see.
635
00:33:16,211 --> 00:33:18,387
And I was just gonna, you know,
push the button.
636
00:33:18,431 --> 00:33:20,476
- Organization's called
Metamorphosis.
637
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,479
["La Cucaracha" playing]
638
00:33:23,523 --> 00:33:25,612
♪
639
00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:27,527
[Sue laughing]
640
00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:32,053
- Okay, Doctor, we probably
ought to move along here.
641
00:33:32,097 --> 00:33:34,055
I want to thank you for sharing
642
00:33:34,099 --> 00:33:37,276
your scientific breakthrough
with us here on "Live at Five."
643
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,756
Roaches--
the future of mankind
644
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,976
lies in these little devils
right here.
645
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:43,673
- I'm prepared for anything.
646
00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:47,068
You know, if they go,
"We gotcha," they got me.
647
00:33:47,112 --> 00:33:48,678
If they don't have me,
648
00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:50,550
I'm just gonna take it
to the next level.
649
00:33:50,593 --> 00:33:53,553
[loopy music]
650
00:33:53,596 --> 00:34:00,647
♪
651
00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:12,876
- With all the space given
to the cockroach cure,
652
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,097
isn't the American newspaper
reader entitled to wonder,
653
00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:20,928
what isn't getting in this space
because this did?
654
00:34:20,971 --> 00:34:23,365
- Sometimes
the facts are boring.
655
00:34:23,409 --> 00:34:25,672
People are more interested
in the story than the facts,
656
00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:27,239
and that's what they want
to exchange.
657
00:34:27,282 --> 00:34:28,892
People don't want
to know the truth.
658
00:34:28,936 --> 00:34:30,546
They want to play
with the story.
659
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:31,765
- We're willing
to believe in things
660
00:34:31,808 --> 00:34:33,506
that we want to believe in,
661
00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:35,377
even if we have a feeling
they might not be true.
662
00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:37,031
- Why deal with the legal system
663
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,598
without knowing
the outcome beforehand?
664
00:34:38,641 --> 00:34:40,165
Let me tell you
whether to sue or settle,
665
00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:41,601
if you'll win or lose.
666
00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:43,211
I use nontraditional techniques
667
00:34:43,255 --> 00:34:44,952
to determine the outcome
of legal decisions.
668
00:34:44,995 --> 00:34:46,823
Have you been the victim
of a psychic injustice?
669
00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:49,304
Are you suffering from psychic
surgery malpractice?
670
00:34:49,348 --> 00:34:51,176
Do you wish to renegotiate
contracts made
671
00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:52,699
during past lives?
672
00:34:52,742 --> 00:34:54,048
There is no statute
of limitations
673
00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,310
in the psychic realm.
674
00:34:55,354 --> 00:34:57,138
Let me use my psychic abilities
675
00:34:57,182 --> 00:34:59,880
to help you rectify injustices
of the past and present.
676
00:34:59,923 --> 00:35:02,230
No fee unless I win your case.
677
00:35:02,274 --> 00:35:04,624
Call me.
678
00:35:04,667 --> 00:35:07,061
- Every Joey Skaggs story starts
679
00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:10,847
with some sort
of unbelievable lie
680
00:35:10,891 --> 00:35:13,111
that people
just want to believe in.
681
00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:14,982
- They wear commando-type berets
682
00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,245
and leather jackets
the color of coal.
683
00:35:17,289 --> 00:35:19,726
They are the men and women
of Walk Right!,
684
00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:22,816
and their mission is to get you
if you walk wrong.
685
00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:25,253
- I think a lot
of marketers today
686
00:35:25,297 --> 00:35:27,821
are doing the same sort
of things.
687
00:35:27,864 --> 00:35:29,779
They come there
with live actors,
688
00:35:29,823 --> 00:35:32,130
who are playing parts
or dressed up in costume
689
00:35:32,173 --> 00:35:34,610
and getting the names
of their brands out there.
690
00:35:34,654 --> 00:35:39,137
It's got much more of an impact
than a billboard or an ad on TV.
691
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,531
- If you look on Google
and look for brand marketing,
692
00:35:42,575 --> 00:35:45,099
brand storytelling,
brand narrative,
693
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,145
you get a gazillion hits.
694
00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:50,496
And everybody is trying
to theorize on what that is.
695
00:35:50,539 --> 00:35:52,541
You know, Joey's done it.
696
00:35:52,585 --> 00:35:57,851
- Six Fat Squad commandos are
here now, this morning, live,
697
00:35:57,894 --> 00:35:59,766
to maintain
tight security around
698
00:35:59,809 --> 00:36:01,942
our "Good Morning, America"
refrigerator
699
00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:04,205
while we talk to the leader
and the founder, Joe Bones.
700
00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:05,989
That is his real name.
701
00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:08,340
- We are there to physically
restrain them if necessary.
702
00:36:08,383 --> 00:36:10,211
- Stop them from going
to the refrigerator?
703
00:36:10,255 --> 00:36:11,343
- You bet.
704
00:36:11,386 --> 00:36:12,996
- It was a nightmare.
705
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,128
She really
couldn't help herself.
706
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:15,782
I had to hold her down.
707
00:36:15,825 --> 00:36:17,914
- So what's the significance
of this chain?
708
00:36:17,958 --> 00:36:20,613
- Oh, you got to lock
the refrigerator sometimes.
709
00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:22,615
- The Yes Men,
of course, are dealing
710
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:24,530
with giant corporations
and business
711
00:36:24,573 --> 00:36:27,315
and moving into the inside
and trying to make changes.
712
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:30,362
- Andy is about to tell
a really big lie.
713
00:36:30,405 --> 00:36:32,277
They're gonna think
that he represents
714
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,062
one of the largest companies
in the world.
715
00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:37,020
- I don't know if they would
exist if it weren't for Joey,
716
00:36:37,064 --> 00:36:38,587
if you think about it,
717
00:36:38,631 --> 00:36:40,328
because he's laid
the groundwork,
718
00:36:40,372 --> 00:36:42,678
and everybody went,
"Whoa, that's really cool.
719
00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:44,376
Maybe we can do
something like that."
720
00:36:44,419 --> 00:36:46,291
- I think that definitely
gave me inspiration
721
00:36:46,334 --> 00:36:48,684
to realize that what I was doing
with Improv Everywhere
722
00:36:48,728 --> 00:36:50,425
didn't just have to be a hobby.
723
00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:57,780
- I met Joey Skaggs
August 1, 1994.
724
00:36:57,824 --> 00:36:59,391
He was in the middle
of an operation
725
00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:02,089
that he called Dog Meat Soup.
726
00:37:02,132 --> 00:37:03,612
- A strange letter is arriving
727
00:37:03,656 --> 00:37:05,614
in the mailboxes
of animal shelters.
728
00:37:05,658 --> 00:37:07,486
- Animal shelters
all across the country...
729
00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:09,705
- The letter,
written in broken English,
730
00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:12,839
asks if the shelters would be
willing to sell unwanted dogs
731
00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:14,319
for use as food.
732
00:37:14,362 --> 00:37:16,190
According to the letter,
733
00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:18,453
the dogs would be bought
for 10 cents a pound,
734
00:37:18,497 --> 00:37:21,587
then canned,
and sold here and overseas.
735
00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:23,502
- It may sound outrageous,
736
00:37:23,545 --> 00:37:26,287
but Korean-Americans concede
it could be true.
737
00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:29,029
- Someone who thought it up
is very, very sick,
738
00:37:29,072 --> 00:37:31,031
so we want to get
to the bottom of it.
739
00:37:31,074 --> 00:37:32,685
[dramatic synth music]
740
00:37:32,728 --> 00:37:34,339
- They are companions,
741
00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:36,297
they are protectors,
they are pets.
742
00:37:36,341 --> 00:37:38,995
But they are never dinner.
743
00:37:52,226 --> 00:37:54,968
[line trilling]
744
00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:57,013
- Hey, Joey!
- How are you, man?
745
00:37:57,057 --> 00:37:59,189
- How you doing?
- I'm good.
746
00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:01,061
We arrive Friday night,
747
00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:03,672
and I've already scheduled
a shoot in Kekaha.
748
00:38:03,716 --> 00:38:05,021
Tom, aloha.
749
00:38:05,065 --> 00:38:06,893
Joey Skaggs here, how are you?
750
00:38:06,936 --> 00:38:09,417
Actually, why don't you
tell me when is a good time
751
00:38:09,461 --> 00:38:11,245
for you to get a bunch
of people together
752
00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:14,509
who can talk about
what's wrong with GMOs.
753
00:38:14,553 --> 00:38:18,731
I need, you know,
something to counter the GMO.
754
00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:20,689
I need conflict in this story.
755
00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:22,474
- Aloha, you've reached
the Printmaker.
756
00:38:22,517 --> 00:38:24,258
We can't get
to the phone right now.
757
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,825
Leave a message.
758
00:38:25,868 --> 00:38:27,435
- I want to talk to you
about a hoax.
759
00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:28,610
I've been speaking to Will.
760
00:38:28,654 --> 00:38:30,220
He thought of an actress
761
00:38:30,264 --> 00:38:33,006
that might be good
for my news commentator.
762
00:38:33,049 --> 00:38:34,703
I need a TV personality.
763
00:38:34,747 --> 00:38:36,488
It's not just a good voice.
764
00:38:36,531 --> 00:38:38,228
He has to keep it secret
for about a year,
765
00:38:38,272 --> 00:38:39,404
till the movie's out.
766
00:38:39,447 --> 00:38:40,709
There is no money involved.
767
00:38:40,753 --> 00:38:43,408
This is a low-budget flick.
768
00:38:43,451 --> 00:38:46,889
- [speaking indistinctly]
769
00:38:46,933 --> 00:38:49,327
- Well, he'll get exposure.
770
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:50,589
[chuckles]
771
00:38:50,632 --> 00:38:52,112
The crew is all coming.
772
00:38:52,155 --> 00:38:57,291
We're all coming to Kauai
this Friday.
773
00:38:57,335 --> 00:38:59,728
And I know it's
rather late notice,
774
00:38:59,772 --> 00:39:03,515
but I'm looking for an actor
or an actress
775
00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:05,865
to play a principal role.
776
00:39:05,908 --> 00:39:09,259
[woman speaking indistinctly]
777
00:39:09,303 --> 00:39:10,739
- All right.
778
00:39:10,783 --> 00:39:13,002
All right, thanks.
All right, bye.
779
00:39:13,046 --> 00:39:14,830
She has other clients, you know,
780
00:39:14,874 --> 00:39:19,748
and she's rehearsing
for a play at 5:30 every day.
781
00:39:19,792 --> 00:39:24,057
- Well, if you direct me
and coach me, I could try.
782
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:26,146
But I don't know.
783
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:30,193
- Well, you're gonna be,
you know,
784
00:39:30,237 --> 00:39:32,021
with the production
for the entire time.
785
00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:34,284
So, I mean, you know...
- I'm there.
786
00:39:34,328 --> 00:39:35,808
- You're there.
787
00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:38,114
I have to use
what I have, you know?
788
00:39:38,158 --> 00:39:42,902
I have to make something
out of clay, you know?
789
00:39:51,432 --> 00:39:54,392
[loopy music]
790
00:39:54,435 --> 00:40:01,442
♪
791
00:40:05,925 --> 00:40:09,232
I've got to get something
out of there.
792
00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:10,712
Here you guys go.
793
00:40:10,756 --> 00:40:17,806
♪
794
00:40:31,516 --> 00:40:33,431
[carolers singing]
795
00:40:33,474 --> 00:40:38,827
- ♪ Oh, what fun it is to die
in a fiery nuclear way ♪
796
00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:41,090
♪ Burning through our skin
797
00:40:41,134 --> 00:40:43,745
♪ In a 1,000-degree heat
798
00:40:43,789 --> 00:40:49,229
- ♪ Oh, what fun it is to die
in a fiery burning way, hey ♪
799
00:40:49,272 --> 00:40:51,361
♪ Jingle bells,
we're going to hell ♪
800
00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:54,495
I learned about Joey
because I did Media Studies
801
00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:56,541
at San Francisco State
University.
802
00:40:56,584 --> 00:41:00,022
And it was literally
just two or so weeks ago
803
00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:04,070
that I met him in a bar
for a rehearsal to participate
804
00:41:04,113 --> 00:41:06,638
in this demonstration
that was happening.
805
00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:09,858
And he asked me,
could I dress up as an elf
806
00:41:09,902 --> 00:41:12,774
and maybe sing
some dirty Christmas carols.
807
00:41:12,818 --> 00:41:14,689
And so I thought,
"Oh, this is cake."
808
00:41:14,733 --> 00:41:16,386
I have a couple in the bag.
809
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:19,259
♪ There's a place
that we all know ♪
810
00:41:19,302 --> 00:41:22,741
♪ Mostly shot in video
811
00:41:22,784 --> 00:41:26,266
♪ A place for sharing genitals
812
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:29,835
♪ By sticking them
right through the walls ♪
813
00:41:29,878 --> 00:41:35,928
♪ Glory holes
- [laughing]
814
00:41:35,971 --> 00:41:39,932
- ♪ Stick your dick
inside them ♪
815
00:41:39,975 --> 00:41:41,586
And I think
that's all it took, really.
816
00:41:41,629 --> 00:41:45,241
I think that that
was how I won Joey over.
817
00:41:45,285 --> 00:41:47,417
- And maybe there's a way
of changing those lyrics
818
00:41:47,461 --> 00:41:49,158
so that it has something
to do with--
819
00:41:49,202 --> 00:41:50,464
- I'll think on it, yeah.
820
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:51,596
- Okay, okay.
821
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:52,945
- Joey?
822
00:41:52,988 --> 00:41:54,163
- Sarah,
I hope it's not too late.
823
00:41:54,207 --> 00:41:55,774
Is it too late?
824
00:41:55,817 --> 00:41:58,341
- No, no...
[speaking indistinctly]
825
00:41:58,385 --> 00:42:01,214
- I would love you
to play a journalist
826
00:42:01,257 --> 00:42:05,174
doing a "60 Minutes,"
you know, kind of piece,
827
00:42:05,218 --> 00:42:07,350
or a "20/20" kind of piece,
828
00:42:07,394 --> 00:42:11,964
profiling certain aspects of
Kauai that aren't really known.
829
00:42:12,007 --> 00:42:13,574
But there's no money in this.
830
00:42:13,618 --> 00:42:15,968
I mean, you know,
this is like, you know--
831
00:42:16,011 --> 00:42:19,275
this is just on a whim
and a prayer.
832
00:42:19,319 --> 00:42:21,495
Everyone that's working
with me is volunteering.
833
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:24,977
If I can get
your passage over there
834
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:28,676
and put you up
and buy your meals,
835
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,637
is that okay?
836
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,596
- Mr. Skaggs,
it would be an honor.
837
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,946
- [chuckles]
Oh, well, I'm...
838
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:39,339
- I mean, are you kidding?
839
00:42:39,382 --> 00:42:41,123
This is art, this is life.
840
00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:43,038
This is something I believe in.
841
00:42:43,082 --> 00:42:44,910
This is, you know...
842
00:42:44,953 --> 00:42:46,476
- Fantastic.
843
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,479
[upbeat rock music]
844
00:42:49,523 --> 00:42:55,616
♪
845
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:57,966
- Well, I think that
the mainstream media
846
00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:00,665
doesn't like the idea
of this guy out there
847
00:43:00,708 --> 00:43:04,538
who's basically trying
to damage them and expose them.
848
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,888
And I think that
probably the establishment
849
00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:08,803
is very much against him
850
00:43:08,847 --> 00:43:11,066
and probably would want
to see him thrown in jail,
851
00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:13,939
because he embarrasses
these institutions.
852
00:43:13,982 --> 00:43:16,463
- Some of the stuff Joey's done
is scary.
853
00:43:16,506 --> 00:43:18,987
And on top of that,
you know, it's--
854
00:43:19,031 --> 00:43:21,729
there are lots of authorities,
political powers,
855
00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:23,513
people who are gonna sue you.
856
00:43:23,557 --> 00:43:25,907
The legal profession
is industrialized as well,
857
00:43:25,951 --> 00:43:28,257
and they can take action
against you.
858
00:43:28,301 --> 00:43:31,347
[man speaking indistinctly
over PA]
859
00:43:45,144 --> 00:43:48,190
[alert buzzing]
860
00:43:56,808 --> 00:43:59,462
[laughter]
861
00:44:08,167 --> 00:44:10,778
- Is that the spot
in Hanalei Bay where you,
862
00:44:10,822 --> 00:44:12,780
there's like
that beautiful snorkeling,
863
00:44:12,824 --> 00:44:17,263
but then there's a really
abrupt drop in the reef?
864
00:44:17,306 --> 00:44:18,743
- That's further out.
865
00:44:18,786 --> 00:44:19,961
That's where the surfers go.
866
00:44:20,005 --> 00:44:21,223
That's where the break is.
867
00:44:21,267 --> 00:44:22,877
We'll go out there.
868
00:44:22,921 --> 00:44:25,706
I windsurfed from that spot
to California,
869
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:27,142
or so I said I did.
870
00:44:27,186 --> 00:44:32,713
And I had a band
and a big farewell party
871
00:44:32,757 --> 00:44:34,715
and a Hawaiian blessing.
872
00:44:34,759 --> 00:44:37,718
[upbeat music]
873
00:44:37,762 --> 00:44:43,332
♪
874
00:44:43,376 --> 00:44:46,727
I had a stand-in double,
shaved to look like me.
875
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,343
- Cal or bust? [laughs]
- Yeah.
876
00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:07,313
- He made it around
and came back to shore.
877
00:45:10,272 --> 00:45:13,232
And we met at the bar
and were having a laugh,
878
00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:16,583
and everyone believed
that I took off for California
879
00:45:16,626 --> 00:45:20,108
on the longest, you know,
windsurfing expedition ever.
880
00:45:20,152 --> 00:45:23,721
- 29-year-old Jay Skaggs
shoved off for California today.
881
00:45:23,764 --> 00:45:25,723
That's not a big deal,
882
00:45:25,766 --> 00:45:28,290
except for Skaggs is trying
to make the 2,500-mile journey
883
00:45:28,334 --> 00:45:30,249
on a windsurfer.
884
00:45:30,292 --> 00:45:32,817
- And the local media here
got really bent out of shape.
885
00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:35,080
The journalists
didn't appreciate it.
886
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:38,083
[upbeat music]
887
00:45:38,126 --> 00:45:45,177
♪
888
00:45:54,186 --> 00:45:59,321
[laughter]
889
00:45:59,365 --> 00:46:01,846
- How's it going, man?
- Great.
890
00:46:01,889 --> 00:46:04,936
[indistinct chatter]
891
00:46:09,331 --> 00:46:10,637
- Welcome home.
892
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,030
- Sarah.
- Hi, Sarah, how are you?
893
00:46:12,073 --> 00:46:13,901
- Thank you all for coming.
894
00:46:13,945 --> 00:46:16,251
Thank you for having us.
895
00:46:16,295 --> 00:46:21,517
What I'm trying to do
is create a story
896
00:46:21,561 --> 00:46:26,087
that has an element
of plausibility
897
00:46:26,131 --> 00:46:29,221
and yet has a lie in it.
898
00:46:29,264 --> 00:46:32,006
So all of you
are speaking your truth,
899
00:46:32,050 --> 00:46:35,053
but you are taking part
in a prank.
900
00:46:35,096 --> 00:46:38,491
I'm just trying
to get anti-GMO, pro-GMO.
901
00:46:38,534 --> 00:46:40,885
But my piece really is about
902
00:46:40,928 --> 00:46:46,542
how science controls inventions
and patents,
903
00:46:46,586 --> 00:46:49,545
how the corporations own it.
904
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:51,547
I want a strong opinion
from your side.
905
00:46:51,591 --> 00:46:53,723
I want a strong opinion
from the other side.
906
00:46:53,767 --> 00:46:55,987
I'm not making up my mind.
907
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:58,380
I want to present opinions.
908
00:46:58,424 --> 00:47:00,774
- Okay, speed all around.
909
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:02,558
And, Sarah, go.
910
00:47:02,602 --> 00:47:04,778
- I'm here with members
of a local organization
911
00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:07,041
called GMO-Free Kauai.
912
00:47:07,085 --> 00:47:09,348
I'm standing here
with Ed Coll,
913
00:47:09,391 --> 00:47:12,786
A college professor and activist
here in Hawaii.
914
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:15,310
- It's a fallacy
that science belongs
915
00:47:15,354 --> 00:47:17,095
to these chemical companies.
916
00:47:17,138 --> 00:47:20,489
- This is giant corporations
specifically own those seeds
917
00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:22,187
and patent them.
918
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:24,667
- People became concerned
that all this information,
919
00:47:24,711 --> 00:47:27,018
they could use it for purposes
920
00:47:27,061 --> 00:47:30,499
that are not necessarily
in the public good.
921
00:47:30,543 --> 00:47:32,023
- In a fishing village,
922
00:47:32,066 --> 00:47:33,763
you always take
only what you need,
923
00:47:33,807 --> 00:47:35,809
and if there's any extra,
you share.
924
00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:39,073
- They talk about the corn
or the corn spray.
925
00:47:39,117 --> 00:47:41,336
What about what the sugar
used to spray?
926
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:44,252
They used to spray. Who knows
what they used to spray?
927
00:47:44,296 --> 00:47:46,776
- Long term,
nobody has the wisdom
928
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:48,778
to conduct this thing safely.
929
00:47:51,216 --> 00:47:52,913
- How you doing?
930
00:47:52,957 --> 00:47:55,568
- I'm here
with Doctors Ing and Croft,
931
00:47:55,611 --> 00:47:58,266
who are overseeing some
of the research being done
932
00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:03,315
on Joe Howard in terms
of his tooth regeneration.
933
00:48:03,358 --> 00:48:05,012
- They regenerate.
934
00:48:05,056 --> 00:48:07,362
I lose them constantly.
935
00:48:07,406 --> 00:48:09,843
But there are teeth
right behind.
936
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:11,366
- Yeah, I see that.
937
00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:15,718
- And they just
keep coming forward.
938
00:48:15,762 --> 00:48:19,331
- I kind of see Joey
as this conductor
939
00:48:19,374 --> 00:48:21,899
of this orchestra of chaos.
940
00:48:21,942 --> 00:48:25,903
[chuckles] I mean, this is
unlike any symphony
941
00:48:25,946 --> 00:48:27,426
that has ever been heard.
942
00:48:27,469 --> 00:48:29,515
[funky rock music]
943
00:48:29,558 --> 00:48:31,343
- We cover every walk of life.
944
00:48:31,386 --> 00:48:36,478
Doctors, Jonas Salk,
sports figures, politicians.
945
00:48:36,522 --> 00:48:40,526
[crowd jeering]
946
00:48:40,569 --> 00:48:42,354
They're gonna try
to get rid of anybody
947
00:48:42,397 --> 00:48:44,008
that isn't to their liking.
948
00:48:44,051 --> 00:48:47,750
[indistinct shouting]
949
00:48:47,794 --> 00:48:53,234
- In 1976, I had
a celebrity sperm auction.
950
00:48:53,278 --> 00:48:58,631
Unfortunately, last night
Celebrity Sperm was broken into,
951
00:48:58,674 --> 00:49:02,896
and celebrity sperm was stolen.
952
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,289
[laughs]
953
00:49:04,332 --> 00:49:05,551
It was right here.
954
00:49:05,594 --> 00:49:07,292
Everything was totally staged.
955
00:49:07,335 --> 00:49:08,293
- Who's sperm did you want?
956
00:49:08,336 --> 00:49:09,642
- Dylan.
957
00:49:09,685 --> 00:49:10,948
- Dylan?
- Yeah, this man here.
958
00:49:10,991 --> 00:49:12,471
- I decided Bob Dylan.
959
00:49:12,514 --> 00:49:14,429
So I dressed like Bob Dylan,
960
00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:17,432
and I went there looking
for Bob Dylan's sperm.
961
00:49:17,476 --> 00:49:18,651
- There was nothing there.
962
00:49:18,694 --> 00:49:20,087
It was a friend's apartment.
963
00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:22,089
So I kept them out by saying,
964
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:26,311
"Oh, sperm's been stolen,
auction's canceled."
965
00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:29,662
- I want to introduce Sunshine.
966
00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:32,056
Sunshine is an artificially
inseminated child.
967
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:34,580
She was told that she was
artificially inseminated.
968
00:49:34,623 --> 00:49:36,799
Well, my task
was to appear in videos
969
00:49:36,843 --> 00:49:39,846
protesting Joey's
celebrity sperm bank,
970
00:49:39,889 --> 00:49:41,935
to be a believable lawyer.
971
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:44,068
Since then, she has been
looking for her father.
972
00:49:44,111 --> 00:49:48,550
She has been
on the verge of catatonia.
973
00:49:48,594 --> 00:49:50,552
I don't remember any rehearsal.
974
00:49:50,596 --> 00:49:53,468
I met the young woman
who was playing my client.
975
00:49:53,512 --> 00:49:55,209
I might've had
a conversation with her
976
00:49:55,253 --> 00:49:57,342
about the circumstances.
977
00:49:57,385 --> 00:49:58,647
- It was really an improv.
978
00:49:58,691 --> 00:50:00,562
It was really like Second City.
979
00:50:00,606 --> 00:50:03,174
Everybody
had their own part.
980
00:50:03,217 --> 00:50:05,132
And that was
all they were told.
981
00:50:05,176 --> 00:50:06,960
- I want to know about this
because it's very dangerous,
982
00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:08,483
what's going down here,
very dangerous!
983
00:50:08,527 --> 00:50:11,791
- He controlled things
from a distance.
984
00:50:11,834 --> 00:50:14,272
But he let the actors--
985
00:50:14,315 --> 00:50:18,145
he really let them have
their way with the script.
986
00:50:18,189 --> 00:50:19,451
There was no script.
987
00:50:19,494 --> 00:50:21,061
There was never a script.
988
00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:22,541
- I'm trying to, you know--
989
00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:25,500
what's the best way
of looking at this?
990
00:50:25,544 --> 00:50:30,592
You can turn to the camera and
say, "We're about to examine..."
991
00:50:30,636 --> 00:50:32,116
- We're about to
or we already have?
992
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:33,900
- No, we're about to, I guess.
993
00:50:33,943 --> 00:50:35,902
That'd be nice,
about to examine.
994
00:50:35,945 --> 00:50:38,644
- My only thing is that we've
got better questions to ask
995
00:50:38,687 --> 00:50:40,863
if they've already
had the examination.
996
00:50:40,907 --> 00:50:44,737
- I'm here with
Doctors Ing and Croft,
997
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:47,261
two of the professionals
who are overseeing
998
00:50:47,305 --> 00:50:50,830
some of the research
being done on Joe Howard,
999
00:50:50,873 --> 00:50:55,008
specifically in terms
of his tooth regeneration
1000
00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:56,618
that's going on.
1001
00:50:56,662 --> 00:50:59,752
I'm sorry, you guys,
I am out of--I need to--
1002
00:50:59,795 --> 00:51:02,059
This is, like,
out of nowhere to me,
1003
00:51:02,102 --> 00:51:03,625
and I don't know
what I'm talking about.
1004
00:51:03,669 --> 00:51:05,018
- The way that was,
that was, you know.
1005
00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:06,498
- Oh, well, it was,
but I figured--
1006
00:51:06,541 --> 00:51:08,195
I thought that this wasn't
the first time.
1007
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,892
Is this the first time
you're ever going to see him?
1008
00:51:09,936 --> 00:51:11,329
- Yeah, that's what I thought.
1009
00:51:11,372 --> 00:51:13,592
I mean, that's what I thought.
1010
00:51:16,247 --> 00:51:18,858
- [sighs] I'm sorry, guys.
I'm losing it.
1011
00:51:18,901 --> 00:51:19,859
What do you want?
1012
00:51:19,902 --> 00:51:21,469
Any other...?
1013
00:51:21,513 --> 00:51:22,818
- Coming right
from the beginning again.
1014
00:51:22,862 --> 00:51:25,952
- Mm-hmm.
1015
00:51:25,995 --> 00:51:29,651
- Well, I was hoping to be
the scientific advisor.
1016
00:51:29,695 --> 00:51:31,131
[chuckles]
1017
00:51:31,175 --> 00:51:32,785
And so I started
thinking all sorts
1018
00:51:32,828 --> 00:51:34,874
of elaborate ideas about--
1019
00:51:34,917 --> 00:51:37,355
And Joey told me
what the basic idea was,
1020
00:51:37,398 --> 00:51:39,008
that there was shark teeth.
1021
00:51:39,052 --> 00:51:41,098
The guy had grown teeth,
yak yak yak yak yak.
1022
00:51:41,141 --> 00:51:43,883
So I started thinking,
"What's the most plausible way
1023
00:51:43,926 --> 00:51:45,667
of explaining that
scientifically?"
1024
00:51:45,711 --> 00:51:48,496
And I came up with
some nice scientific papers.
1025
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:50,281
Yeah, this is possible.
1026
00:51:50,324 --> 00:51:52,152
Yeah, it's kind of
on the edge of plausibility,
1027
00:51:52,196 --> 00:51:54,807
it's a bit wacky, but,
you know, it'll probably pass.
1028
00:51:54,850 --> 00:51:58,202
Then when I told him, in Hawaii,
this is what the process is,
1029
00:51:58,245 --> 00:51:59,812
he was horrified.
1030
00:51:59,855 --> 00:52:02,902
It was just--
it wasn't silly enough.
1031
00:52:02,945 --> 00:52:05,296
We use sharks as a source
1032
00:52:05,339 --> 00:52:09,474
of sustainable
and renewable stem cells.
1033
00:52:09,517 --> 00:52:11,650
- Stop for one second.
1034
00:52:11,693 --> 00:52:12,955
Do me a favor.
- Yeah?
1035
00:52:12,999 --> 00:52:14,566
- Lie.
1036
00:52:14,609 --> 00:52:17,656
You're too honest.
1037
00:52:17,699 --> 00:52:20,180
- [laughing] I'm lying--
I'm lying my ass off here.
1038
00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:21,529
- I know you're lying.
1039
00:52:21,573 --> 00:52:23,183
But here's a lie
that I think--
1040
00:52:23,227 --> 00:52:25,403
- Larry, don't mess
with your hair, please.
1041
00:52:25,446 --> 00:52:28,188
- The lie is,
if we can regenerate our teeth
1042
00:52:28,232 --> 00:52:30,669
like a shark can
regenerate their teeth,
1043
00:52:30,712 --> 00:52:33,411
then we can revolutionize
the whole dental industry.
1044
00:52:33,454 --> 00:52:35,108
- Yeah.
1045
00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:36,936
- And the point
of what we're trying to do
1046
00:52:36,979 --> 00:52:39,504
is to make it so that humans
can now regenerate teeth.
1047
00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:40,505
That's it.
1048
00:52:40,548 --> 00:52:42,202
- Forever.
1049
00:52:42,246 --> 00:52:44,422
- That's what it's about.
Fuck the shark.
1050
00:52:44,465 --> 00:52:46,728
I mean, it's the ability
to regenerate teeth constantly.
1051
00:52:46,772 --> 00:52:47,816
- Oh, okay.
1052
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:49,731
- You're doing a good job.
1053
00:52:49,775 --> 00:52:52,081
You are.
1054
00:52:52,125 --> 00:52:54,214
Dr. Croft, talk to me
about the addition
1055
00:52:54,258 --> 00:52:58,044
of shark stem cells
in your research.
1056
00:52:58,087 --> 00:53:00,351
- The teeth re-grow in sharks,
1057
00:53:00,394 --> 00:53:03,441
and once a tooth falls out,
another one grows back.
1058
00:53:03,484 --> 00:53:05,269
So if we can harness the ability
1059
00:53:05,312 --> 00:53:08,054
that sharks have
to re-grow their own teeth,
1060
00:53:08,097 --> 00:53:11,275
we could do the same thing
in humans.
1061
00:53:11,318 --> 00:53:14,060
And so this would revolutionize
the dental industry
1062
00:53:14,103 --> 00:53:17,324
and would be a fantastic thing
for many people.
1063
00:53:17,368 --> 00:53:19,021
[giggling]
Sorry.
1064
00:53:19,065 --> 00:53:20,414
- There's such a thin line
1065
00:53:20,458 --> 00:53:22,851
between, you know,
what's plausible
1066
00:53:22,895 --> 00:53:24,375
and what's, like,
"Get out of here.
1067
00:53:24,418 --> 00:53:25,898
I don't believe any of this."
1068
00:53:25,941 --> 00:53:26,899
- Yeah.
1069
00:53:26,942 --> 00:53:29,728
- Is it too much ham?
1070
00:53:29,771 --> 00:53:31,033
- Yeah.
1071
00:53:31,077 --> 00:53:32,426
[laughing]
Too much ham.
1072
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:33,427
- We'll see.
1073
00:53:33,471 --> 00:53:35,690
[laughter]
1074
00:53:35,734 --> 00:53:37,301
We'll see.
1075
00:54:00,541 --> 00:54:03,588
[phone ringing]
1076
00:54:09,028 --> 00:54:11,944
- Comacocoon, may I help you?
1077
00:54:11,987 --> 00:54:13,728
Yes.
1078
00:54:13,772 --> 00:54:15,513
Yes, you got our press release?
1079
00:54:15,556 --> 00:54:17,254
Mm-hmm.
1080
00:54:17,297 --> 00:54:19,430
And what kind of vacation
were you looking for?
1081
00:54:19,473 --> 00:54:22,433
[pleasant music]
1082
00:54:22,476 --> 00:54:28,830
♪
1083
00:54:28,874 --> 00:54:32,747
- ♪ Dreams...
1084
00:54:32,791 --> 00:54:35,402
- Now there is Comacocoon.
1085
00:54:35,446 --> 00:54:40,189
And with recent
technological advancements made
1086
00:54:40,233 --> 00:54:42,366
in the field of anesthesiology,
1087
00:54:42,409 --> 00:54:44,498
we can now knock you out.
1088
00:54:44,542 --> 00:54:46,805
They'll hypnotize you
and give you, you know,
1089
00:54:46,848 --> 00:54:48,763
a computer-generated dream.
1090
00:54:48,807 --> 00:54:50,287
You could be a rock star.
1091
00:54:50,330 --> 00:54:51,897
You could,
you know, be, Don Juan.
1092
00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:54,247
You could do
your own personal fantasy.
1093
00:54:54,291 --> 00:54:56,858
And we could give you a tan
while you were out, you know,
1094
00:54:56,902 --> 00:55:00,340
You could quit smoking,
minor surgeries.
1095
00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:05,084
♪
1096
00:55:05,127 --> 00:55:07,521
I always try to do something
that's challenging to me.
1097
00:55:07,565 --> 00:55:09,088
I don't want
to do the same thing.
1098
00:55:09,131 --> 00:55:10,568
And I thought,
"Well, why don't I try
1099
00:55:10,611 --> 00:55:13,179
to do two hoaxes at once?"
1100
00:55:13,222 --> 00:55:16,182
[Western music]
1101
00:55:16,225 --> 00:55:21,448
♪
1102
00:55:21,492 --> 00:55:23,189
Depending on the condition
of your scalp,
1103
00:55:23,232 --> 00:55:24,886
if you have
no scars or birthmarks,
1104
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:26,627
a full head of hair.
1105
00:55:26,671 --> 00:55:28,368
If you were
in a high-risk profession,
1106
00:55:28,412 --> 00:55:30,544
I would give you X amount,
$1,000 dollars,
1107
00:55:30,588 --> 00:55:33,068
and upon your untimely demise,
1108
00:55:33,112 --> 00:55:35,288
I had ownership of your scalp.
1109
00:55:38,944 --> 00:55:41,903
On this side of the room,
I'm Dr. Chenango,
1110
00:55:41,947 --> 00:55:43,557
I'm curing baldness.
1111
00:55:43,601 --> 00:55:46,081
On this side of the room,
I'm Dr. Schlafer,
1112
00:55:46,125 --> 00:55:48,257
giving sleep dream vacations.
1113
00:55:52,087 --> 00:55:53,567
And then
when the time was right,
1114
00:55:53,611 --> 00:55:55,308
I reveal that it was a hoax,
1115
00:55:55,352 --> 00:55:56,440
and "The New York Times'"
Mark Dery
1116
00:55:56,483 --> 00:55:57,832
did a wonderful piece.
1117
00:55:57,876 --> 00:56:03,011
♪
1118
00:56:03,055 --> 00:56:04,709
There's a gray area.
1119
00:56:04,752 --> 00:56:06,493
There's a time
when you do the performance,
1120
00:56:06,537 --> 00:56:08,321
and it's going out there.
1121
00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:11,629
And then when you do the exposé,
and you think it's over.
1122
00:56:11,672 --> 00:56:14,936
Well, there are people
who don't ever get the exposé.
1123
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:18,549
So I get a phone call
from an Italian journalist.
1124
00:56:18,592 --> 00:56:19,593
"Dr. Schlafer?"
1125
00:56:19,637 --> 00:56:22,030
So I go, "Hello?"
1126
00:56:22,074 --> 00:56:27,166
"My name is Sylvia Kramer.
I work for 'il Giornale.'
1127
00:56:27,209 --> 00:56:30,735
I'd like to do a story
about your operation."
1128
00:56:30,778 --> 00:56:33,564
- I said, "Well, look,
come to my home,
1129
00:56:33,607 --> 00:56:38,307
and I'll tell you a story
that you'll really enjoy."
1130
00:56:38,351 --> 00:56:40,048
I was gonna tell her the truth.
1131
00:56:40,092 --> 00:56:41,485
She calls me back
10 minutes later,
1132
00:56:41,528 --> 00:56:42,747
"Dr. Schlafer,
I'm running late."
1133
00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:43,965
I said, "Fine, no problem."
1134
00:56:44,009 --> 00:56:45,489
Then she calls me again,
1135
00:56:45,532 --> 00:56:47,360
"I'm running late,
I'm running late."
1136
00:56:47,404 --> 00:56:49,014
And then finally the last time
she calls, she says,
1137
00:56:49,057 --> 00:56:52,452
"Dr. Schlafer, I'm sorry,
but I can't make it.
1138
00:56:52,496 --> 00:56:55,455
Can we do the interview
on the phone?"
1139
00:56:55,499 --> 00:56:57,457
Lazy bitch.
1140
00:56:57,501 --> 00:56:59,546
You know, I was gonna tell you
the truth but, you know...
1141
00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:00,982
I'm not gonna tell you
the truth,
1142
00:57:01,026 --> 00:57:02,723
I'm just gonna continue
the hoax.
1143
00:57:17,042 --> 00:57:19,479
After it hits
the Italian news media,
1144
00:57:19,523 --> 00:57:22,874
I get a phone call
from the competition.
1145
00:57:22,917 --> 00:57:26,007
"Joey, Joey,
you screwed Sylvia Kramer!
1146
00:57:26,051 --> 00:57:27,792
"We almost fell
for the story, too,
1147
00:57:27,835 --> 00:57:30,838
but we read
'The New York Times.'"
1148
00:57:37,541 --> 00:57:38,846
You think you know
when it's over,
1149
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:40,500
and it's not over.
1150
00:57:40,544 --> 00:57:42,502
It's not over.
1151
00:57:42,546 --> 00:57:46,332
Because the truth is really
the hardest thing to get to.
1152
00:57:46,375 --> 00:57:48,290
- Okay, so, what do you think
of this?
1153
00:57:48,334 --> 00:57:50,075
- I would make the conflict
1154
00:57:50,118 --> 00:57:56,821
between morality and science
up front, more up front.
1155
00:57:56,864 --> 00:57:58,779
And then get into,
1156
00:57:58,823 --> 00:58:01,652
"But open-sourcing science has
its own issues," you know?
1157
00:58:01,695 --> 00:58:04,611
I mean, I have to think
about this, because...
1158
00:58:04,655 --> 00:58:07,179
- Can we do it again?
- Yep.
1159
00:58:07,222 --> 00:58:10,922
- The operations and
implications of this research
1160
00:58:10,965 --> 00:58:13,141
and its open-source
methodology.
1161
00:58:13,185 --> 00:58:14,839
- Is this a news report?
1162
00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:17,537
- It was.
1163
00:58:17,581 --> 00:58:20,018
- So maybe
we don't even need that?
1164
00:58:20,061 --> 00:58:21,628
- That's what I'm thinking.
1165
00:58:21,672 --> 00:58:24,457
I think that this intro
is so specific.
1166
00:58:24,501 --> 00:58:25,850
- Yeah.
1167
00:58:25,893 --> 00:58:27,547
- Taking you directly
into something.
1168
00:58:27,591 --> 00:58:29,593
I mean, that's what
we thought it was earlier.
1169
00:58:29,636 --> 00:58:31,595
- Right.
1170
00:58:31,638 --> 00:58:33,118
- There's a great big difference
1171
00:58:33,161 --> 00:58:34,772
between doing what I do,
which is a prank,
1172
00:58:34,815 --> 00:58:36,121
and doing a film.
1173
00:58:36,164 --> 00:58:37,992
I have to be improvisational.
1174
00:58:38,036 --> 00:58:39,994
I have to go with the flow.
1175
00:58:40,038 --> 00:58:43,868
So whatever it is, I've got
to be able to make it happen,
1176
00:58:43,911 --> 00:58:46,958
and so it's different
than a film.
1177
00:58:47,001 --> 00:58:49,482
You have a script, you know,
you have the actors,
1178
00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:50,918
you're paying these people,
you know.
1179
00:58:50,962 --> 00:58:54,748
It's all lit, takes hours.
1180
00:58:54,792 --> 00:58:56,620
Improvisational theater,
guerrilla theater,
1181
00:58:56,663 --> 00:59:01,799
culture jamming, hoaxes,
different ball game.
1182
00:59:01,842 --> 00:59:03,583
So...
1183
00:59:03,627 --> 00:59:07,195
- I'm having a difficult time
1184
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:09,589
seeing if that's
where we're going to end up.
1185
00:59:09,633 --> 00:59:12,679
I am not--I don't have
a lot of clarity yet,
1186
00:59:12,723 --> 00:59:18,032
if this is gonna be a
documentary or a news report.
1187
00:59:18,076 --> 00:59:21,601
- We still don't have a timeline
on this thing, you know.
1188
00:59:21,645 --> 00:59:24,517
It's still in a nonlinear form,
1189
00:59:24,561 --> 00:59:26,563
and we still haven't figured out
1190
00:59:26,606 --> 00:59:30,349
where the actual punches
are gonna be thrown yet.
1191
00:59:38,444 --> 00:59:39,793
- Warren.
1192
00:59:39,837 --> 00:59:41,621
- Hey, how are you?
1193
00:59:41,665 --> 00:59:43,318
- I'm good, how are you?
1194
00:59:43,362 --> 00:59:46,060
I'm gonna say this now,
to you personally,
1195
00:59:46,104 --> 00:59:47,888
so I'd rather it be in person,
1196
00:59:47,932 --> 00:59:50,935
but this is all about, you know,
high-tech and experiments
1197
00:59:50,978 --> 00:59:54,634
with genetics
and gene splicing and all that.
1198
00:59:54,678 --> 00:59:57,506
Are you a willing guy to talk
about the possibility
1199
00:59:57,550 --> 01:00:02,511
or the hopefulness of having
reconnective nerve tissue done
1200
01:00:02,555 --> 01:00:04,862
through stem cell research?
1201
01:00:27,232 --> 01:00:30,191
Warren, who broke his back
1202
01:00:30,235 --> 01:00:33,064
in a horrible accident
in the ocean
1203
01:00:33,107 --> 01:00:36,023
and he has spinal cord damage,
1204
01:00:36,067 --> 01:00:40,245
he comes in, and he's
the savior for the piece,
1205
01:00:40,288 --> 01:00:45,293
because he takes the attention
away from my shark teeth.
1206
01:00:52,779 --> 01:00:54,520
I want everyone
to have a piece to say,
1207
01:00:54,563 --> 01:00:56,696
especially Warren.
1208
01:00:56,740 --> 01:00:59,481
And he says, at the table...
1209
01:00:59,525 --> 01:01:06,445
- If stem cell research
can make it possible
1210
01:01:06,488 --> 01:01:11,624
for someone who has been
in a wheelchair for 20 years
1211
01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:14,279
to be able to stand up
1212
01:01:14,322 --> 01:01:18,587
and walk to the bathroom...
1213
01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:26,334
I can't tell you
how wonderful that would be.
1214
01:01:26,378 --> 01:01:30,599
- Warren carries
that whole conversation.
1215
01:01:30,643 --> 01:01:32,514
It's all about that.
1216
01:01:32,558 --> 01:01:35,082
Forget about the ethics
of doing the research.
1217
01:01:35,126 --> 01:01:36,693
I need it.
1218
01:01:36,736 --> 01:01:39,565
- This is heartfelt
and the truth.
1219
01:01:39,608 --> 01:01:43,700
This particular hoax,
for me, is personal.
1220
01:01:43,743 --> 01:01:46,833
It's not just Joey's art.
1221
01:01:46,877 --> 01:01:51,185
- He's brought
a lot friends together
1222
01:01:51,229 --> 01:01:55,276
who have heartfelt thoughts
on these subjects
1223
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,757
that originally
were just the setup.
1224
01:01:57,801 --> 01:01:59,628
Now they're the topic.
1225
01:01:59,672 --> 01:02:01,979
- Now, to me.
it's more plausible.
1226
01:02:02,022 --> 01:02:04,633
And I have to have
an element of plausibility.
1227
01:02:04,677 --> 01:02:06,723
I mean, it's so fucking
far out anyway.
1228
01:02:06,766 --> 01:02:09,856
But, you know,
now it's concealed.
1229
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:11,553
They've got it.
1230
01:02:11,597 --> 01:02:13,904
And we convince them
the next 10 or 15 minutes
1231
01:02:13,947 --> 01:02:16,994
to accept it and move on,
and see the bigger picture.
1232
01:02:17,037 --> 01:02:18,952
We got it.
1233
01:02:18,996 --> 01:02:24,610
This particular piece really
is a stand-by-itself piece.
1234
01:02:24,653 --> 01:02:26,699
You know, whatever
the length ends up being.
1235
01:02:26,743 --> 01:02:28,701
If it's a half an hour,
you know, great.
1236
01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:30,659
It's really a show.
1237
01:02:30,703 --> 01:02:34,925
And we never have to reveal
the fact that it's a hoax.
1238
01:02:34,968 --> 01:02:37,971
And we're gonna make this
into its own film
1239
01:02:38,015 --> 01:02:40,887
and then put this
out in the world.
1240
01:02:40,931 --> 01:02:42,628
We submit it
to film festivals
1241
01:02:42,671 --> 01:02:44,978
as a mini documentary.
1242
01:02:45,022 --> 01:02:47,415
If they air it,
if they accept it and air it,
1243
01:02:47,459 --> 01:02:50,941
and no one says
that it's, you know, bullshit,
1244
01:02:50,984 --> 01:02:52,594
fantastic.
1245
01:03:00,820 --> 01:03:03,257
The tourists
don't know anything.
1246
01:03:03,301 --> 01:03:05,999
To them, it's a beautiful,
idyllic, tropical island.
1247
01:03:06,043 --> 01:03:07,827
- It's also the most remote
1248
01:03:07,871 --> 01:03:10,569
geographical archipelago
on Earth.
1249
01:03:10,612 --> 01:03:14,268
- We have a secret military base
doing underwater research
1250
01:03:14,312 --> 01:03:16,096
with a submarine base out here.
1251
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:18,490
There may or may not be
nuclear weapons.
1252
01:03:18,533 --> 01:03:21,493
[dramatic music]
1253
01:03:21,536 --> 01:03:23,103
♪
1254
01:03:23,147 --> 01:03:25,062
- It's a fallacy
1255
01:03:25,105 --> 01:03:27,760
that science belongs
to these chemical companies.
1256
01:03:27,804 --> 01:03:29,675
The science belongs
to all of us.
1257
01:03:29,718 --> 01:03:32,765
- I try not to think of any
ethical ramifications.
1258
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:35,420
It's not often you see
shark's teeth in a human,
1259
01:03:35,463 --> 01:03:39,598
but, you know, they're
functioning perfectly.
1260
01:03:39,641 --> 01:03:45,822
- If open-source science
can make it possible
1261
01:03:45,865 --> 01:03:48,563
for someone
who has been in a wheelchair
1262
01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:50,914
to be able to stand up,
1263
01:03:50,957 --> 01:03:54,395
I can't tell you
how wonderful that would be.
1264
01:03:54,439 --> 01:03:56,484
I would say
go ahead and play God.
1265
01:03:56,528 --> 01:03:58,530
- This is a huge Pandora's box.
1266
01:03:58,573 --> 01:04:01,838
Nobody has the wisdom
to conduct this thing safely.
1267
01:04:24,991 --> 01:04:27,559
[crowd cheering]
1268
01:04:27,602 --> 01:04:31,519
[drumming, chanting]
1269
01:04:31,563 --> 01:04:36,133
[indistinct chanting]
1270
01:04:36,176 --> 01:04:39,571
- Pass the bill!
Pass the bill!
1271
01:04:47,057 --> 01:04:48,841
- Sarah.
- Hello.
1272
01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:50,277
- Hey, there you are.
1273
01:04:50,321 --> 01:04:51,800
- Hey.
1274
01:04:51,844 --> 01:04:52,801
- Can you see me?
1275
01:04:52,845 --> 01:04:53,977
- Good to see you.
1276
01:04:54,020 --> 01:04:55,674
- Good to see you.
1277
01:04:55,717 --> 01:04:57,763
Your hair is longer.
1278
01:04:57,806 --> 01:04:59,765
It looks good.
1279
01:04:59,808 --> 01:05:03,334
- Yeah.
1280
01:05:03,377 --> 01:05:06,554
I imagine your beard
is probably longer, too,
1281
01:05:06,598 --> 01:05:11,820
but right now
it's half frame.
1282
01:05:11,864 --> 01:05:15,389
I've got a little bad news.
1283
01:05:15,433 --> 01:05:16,651
- Yeah?
1284
01:05:16,695 --> 01:05:19,132
- Holly Shorts got back to us.
1285
01:05:19,176 --> 01:05:20,873
- Uh-huh?
1286
01:05:20,917 --> 01:05:24,572
- And they did not accept
"Pandora's Hope."
1287
01:05:24,616 --> 01:05:26,531
- That's okay.
1288
01:05:26,574 --> 01:05:30,927
- So they sent consolation...
1289
01:05:30,970 --> 01:05:33,103
[chuckles] Saying that it was
a record year.
1290
01:05:33,146 --> 01:05:36,671
They had 1,400 submissions.
1291
01:05:36,715 --> 01:05:38,325
So one more down.
1292
01:05:38,369 --> 01:05:40,806
- Right, that's why
it's a shotgun approach.
1293
01:05:40,849 --> 01:05:45,115
You know, we do a whole lot,
and, you know...
1294
01:05:45,158 --> 01:05:48,118
it's the odds.
1295
01:05:48,161 --> 01:05:49,684
- Yeah.
1296
01:05:49,728 --> 01:05:52,122
- It's just a waiting game,
Sarah, you know.
1297
01:05:52,165 --> 01:05:55,603
I said to everyone
when I did the hoax,
1298
01:05:55,647 --> 01:05:57,692
the hoax part is the easy part,
1299
01:05:57,736 --> 01:05:59,390
and the hard part is waiting
1300
01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:01,914
to see if anybody,
you know, bites.
1301
01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:04,221
- There's no P.
1302
01:06:04,264 --> 01:06:06,136
It's not here.
1303
01:06:06,179 --> 01:06:08,747
They picked a lot of films,
but we're not one of them.
1304
01:06:12,577 --> 01:06:13,970
Oh, well.
1305
01:06:16,537 --> 01:06:20,237
- The big one I'm hoping for
is the Hawaii Film Festival.
1306
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,543
That's the one
I hope we make it into.
1307
01:06:22,587 --> 01:06:24,676
That's when the shit
will really hit the fan,
1308
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:28,375
because everyone is gonna
realize who these people are.
1309
01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:29,855
You know?
1310
01:06:29,898 --> 01:06:33,380
And the local press
will go bananas.
1311
01:06:33,424 --> 01:06:36,905
It'll probably go
wire service, AP,
1312
01:06:36,949 --> 01:06:39,212
which will then make it
a global story.
1313
01:06:39,256 --> 01:06:42,737
Maybe we can make it
a newsworthy event
1314
01:06:42,781 --> 01:06:45,305
and get some media coverage
that way.
1315
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:48,004
I'm just concerned
that our friends
1316
01:06:48,047 --> 01:06:50,528
will laugh their asses off,
and then it's all over.
1317
01:06:50,571 --> 01:06:52,182
We've come this far,
1318
01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:55,663
and we really don't want
to blow it at this stage.
1319
01:06:55,707 --> 01:06:59,885
All we have to do is get
these film festivals covered.
1320
01:06:59,928 --> 01:07:02,844
["That's Amore" playing]
1321
01:07:02,888 --> 01:07:09,938
♪
1322
01:07:12,550 --> 01:07:15,118
- Mama, Papa!
1323
01:07:15,161 --> 01:07:17,424
♪
1324
01:07:17,468 --> 01:07:21,080
[singing]
1325
01:07:21,124 --> 01:07:23,126
♪
1326
01:07:23,169 --> 01:07:28,087
[cell phone ringing]
1327
01:07:28,131 --> 01:07:31,482
- Hello?
1328
01:07:31,525 --> 01:07:32,700
Hello?
1329
01:07:32,744 --> 01:07:34,137
Can you hear me?
1330
01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:35,355
Hello?
1331
01:07:35,399 --> 01:07:37,183
Sarah, hi.
1332
01:07:46,540 --> 01:07:49,848
We heard from the Hawaii
International Film Festival.
1333
01:07:53,808 --> 01:07:56,855
- No?
1334
01:07:56,898 --> 01:07:59,292
Oh, well.
1335
01:07:59,336 --> 01:08:01,599
[dog whimpering]
- I'll read it to you.
1336
01:08:04,341 --> 01:08:07,953
- What do you say about that?
1337
01:08:07,996 --> 01:08:09,520
Huh?
1338
01:08:09,563 --> 01:08:11,174
It's okay.
1339
01:08:21,314 --> 01:08:23,273
It's just
a difficult challenge.
1340
01:08:23,316 --> 01:08:25,927
And I'm, so far,
you know, disappointed
1341
01:08:25,971 --> 01:08:30,062
because I haven't been accepted
into film festivals,
1342
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:32,238
but I can understand that,
because, you know,
1343
01:08:32,282 --> 01:08:34,762
it's not that
it's a fantastic film.
1344
01:08:34,806 --> 01:08:37,591
It's, you know,
a bunch of people
1345
01:08:37,635 --> 01:08:40,638
talking about serious issues,
1346
01:08:40,681 --> 01:08:42,683
which could be made, I guess,
into a great film
1347
01:08:42,727 --> 01:08:44,294
by a great filmmaker.
1348
01:08:44,337 --> 01:08:46,861
But I don't consider myself
a filmmaker.
1349
01:08:46,905 --> 01:08:50,387
I feel like I locked myself
into a corner,
1350
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:52,215
trying to do
a very difficult thing,
1351
01:08:52,258 --> 01:08:57,263
limiting how I can
get attention to the piece
1352
01:08:57,307 --> 01:09:01,528
by only having it available
to film festivals.
1353
01:09:04,705 --> 01:09:08,927
- I've rarely heard him say,
"That was a mistake.
1354
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:10,972
"I wish I hadn't done that.
1355
01:09:11,016 --> 01:09:15,194
If I could do it over,
I would do it this way."
1356
01:09:15,238 --> 01:09:19,416
I think he really has
a lot of self-confidence.
1357
01:09:19,459 --> 01:09:21,679
He trusts his instincts,
1358
01:09:21,722 --> 01:09:24,595
and he knows
that he can pull a rabbit
1359
01:09:24,638 --> 01:09:25,987
out of a hat if he needs to,
1360
01:09:26,031 --> 01:09:28,990
and I've seen him do it.
1361
01:09:29,034 --> 01:09:31,254
He'll enter into a project
1362
01:09:31,297 --> 01:09:35,214
because of very strong beliefs
about it,
1363
01:09:35,258 --> 01:09:37,434
even if they are
conflicted beliefs
1364
01:09:37,477 --> 01:09:41,264
or if there's no way
to know the actual truth
1365
01:09:41,307 --> 01:09:44,136
or the actual outcome
of what's gonna happen.
1366
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:46,138
You know, as long
as you're excited
1367
01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:51,056
and fascinated and curious,
you're alive.
1368
01:09:51,099 --> 01:09:52,318
You're really living.
1369
01:09:52,362 --> 01:09:54,277
And he's really living.
1370
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,670
He's often described it
as being a surfer.
1371
01:09:56,714 --> 01:09:58,629
You know, you have no idea
if you're gonna catch the wave.
1372
01:09:58,672 --> 01:10:00,370
You have no idea,
once you're on the wave,
1373
01:10:00,413 --> 01:10:02,067
how long you're gonna stay
on the wave,
1374
01:10:02,110 --> 01:10:04,852
and you don't know
when your ride is over.
1375
01:10:04,896 --> 01:10:08,291
And for him,
that's hugely exciting.
1376
01:10:08,334 --> 01:10:12,556
- Have you ever pulled
something that's failed?
1377
01:10:12,599 --> 01:10:13,557
- No.
1378
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,515
- No, really?
1379
01:10:15,559 --> 01:10:17,038
Is it that easy?
1380
01:10:17,082 --> 01:10:18,910
Is there a--
I mean, is there any kind
1381
01:10:18,953 --> 01:10:20,955
of surefire thing you can do?
1382
01:10:20,999 --> 01:10:23,480
- It's like producing
a theater piece.
1383
01:10:23,523 --> 01:10:25,873
You conceive, write, produce,
direct, stage, act in it.
1384
01:10:25,917 --> 01:10:27,875
It's very complicated.
1385
01:10:27,919 --> 01:10:30,313
There are many techniques
to gaining access to the media.
1386
01:10:30,356 --> 01:10:32,184
If you know how the media works,
1387
01:10:32,228 --> 01:10:35,274
it's kind of easy
to give them the hook.
1388
01:10:35,318 --> 01:10:38,495
- I know that he will
never stop being creative,
1389
01:10:38,538 --> 01:10:40,497
doing projects,
1390
01:10:40,540 --> 01:10:45,502
coming up with outrageous,
outlandish, hilarious ideas.
1391
01:10:45,545 --> 01:10:46,590
I know he won't.
1392
01:10:46,633 --> 01:10:49,201
It's just his nature.
1393
01:10:49,245 --> 01:10:50,942
It's what he'll do.
1394
01:10:50,985 --> 01:10:53,684
- You never know what he's
gonna come up with next.
1395
01:10:53,727 --> 01:10:55,903
You never know
where he's going,
1396
01:10:55,947 --> 01:10:57,470
but I'm going with him.
1397
01:10:57,514 --> 01:10:59,733
I'm gonna be there
every time he calls,
1398
01:10:59,777 --> 01:11:01,518
even at this age.
1399
01:11:01,561 --> 01:11:03,911
I'm gonna follow him
through the streets of New York.
1400
01:11:03,955 --> 01:11:07,306
It's okay because
I know, wherever he's going,
1401
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:09,526
it's gonna be fun.
1402
01:11:11,484 --> 01:11:13,704
- And, you know, we were leaving
one of the houses recently,
1403
01:11:13,747 --> 01:11:14,966
and he said, "I'm so lucky.
1404
01:11:15,009 --> 01:11:16,837
"I'm so, so lucky
1405
01:11:16,881 --> 01:11:19,840
"that all of my friends
are here doing this for me.
1406
01:11:19,884 --> 01:11:23,017
Like, it doesn't escape me for
a second how grateful I am."
1407
01:11:23,061 --> 01:11:26,020
And then he looked at me in
the rearview mirror and said,
1408
01:11:26,064 --> 01:11:28,501
"And you're one
of my new friends."
1409
01:11:31,896 --> 01:11:33,593
- I've been really lucky
that I've been able
1410
01:11:33,637 --> 01:11:36,422
to live the life
that I have lived
1411
01:11:36,466 --> 01:11:39,860
and with the people
that have come into my life,
1412
01:11:39,904 --> 01:11:41,949
and to feel a part,
1413
01:11:41,993 --> 01:11:44,387
that we've all
created something,
1414
01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:47,607
because, you know,
it's just not all me.
1415
01:11:47,651 --> 01:11:51,959
It's me involving
everyone I can involve,
1416
01:11:52,003 --> 01:11:54,135
and everyone doing it.
1417
01:11:54,179 --> 01:11:55,615
And that, I love.
1418
01:11:55,659 --> 01:11:59,184
That's the we.
It's not the me.
1419
01:12:19,204 --> 01:12:20,379
- Good morning.
1420
01:12:20,423 --> 01:12:23,687
[laughing]
1421
01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:26,124
Good morning!
1422
01:12:26,167 --> 01:12:29,040
It's August 22nd,
1423
01:12:29,083 --> 01:12:33,958
and in the past 12 hours or so,
1424
01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:36,352
we've been accepted
to two film festivals.
1425
01:12:36,395 --> 01:12:38,397
[laughs]
1426
01:12:38,441 --> 01:12:41,400
I got the first email
last night...
1427
01:12:41,444 --> 01:12:45,056
right before I drifted off
to sleep.
1428
01:12:45,099 --> 01:12:47,406
I was pretty excited.
1429
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:50,409
And then this morning,
I wake up,
1430
01:12:50,453 --> 01:12:51,976
and what do you know?
1431
01:12:52,019 --> 01:12:56,415
We're accepted
to another film festival!
1432
01:12:56,459 --> 01:12:57,590
Two!
1433
01:12:57,634 --> 01:12:59,070
Hi!
1434
01:12:59,113 --> 01:13:00,158
- Hi.
1435
01:13:00,201 --> 01:13:03,379
[laughter]
1436
01:13:03,422 --> 01:13:04,554
- Can you believe it?
1437
01:13:04,597 --> 01:13:06,251
- We did it.
1438
01:13:06,294 --> 01:13:08,732
[laughing]
1439
01:13:08,775 --> 01:13:09,950
Yeah!
1440
01:13:09,994 --> 01:13:12,649
Now the fun part begins.
1441
01:13:12,692 --> 01:13:15,565
Now it's gonna be the juice.
1442
01:13:15,608 --> 01:13:17,305
[laughs]
1443
01:13:26,053 --> 01:13:27,664
- We'll take...
1444
01:13:32,799 --> 01:13:36,760
The plan for today is,
we're gonna poster the town.
1445
01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:41,155
My name is Kit.
1446
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,419
I've got a card if you'd like.
1447
01:13:45,856 --> 01:13:47,161
- Hello, Miss.
- Farrell.
1448
01:13:47,205 --> 01:13:48,772
- I'm a filmmaker
1449
01:13:48,815 --> 01:13:50,426
who has a film
here in the film festival.
1450
01:13:50,469 --> 01:13:52,036
It's a short film.
It's just 20 minutes.
1451
01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:53,907
Let's stop by the cinemas
1452
01:13:53,951 --> 01:13:56,257
to see if our
big movie poster is up.
1453
01:13:56,301 --> 01:13:58,346
- Yeah.
1454
01:13:58,390 --> 01:14:01,480
- There it is!
1455
01:14:01,524 --> 01:14:04,788
- Oh, my God.
1456
01:14:04,831 --> 01:14:06,485
- Hey, everybody.
1457
01:14:06,529 --> 01:14:08,487
Right now, Kit Farrell
from "Pandora's Hope"
1458
01:14:08,531 --> 01:14:10,010
joins us right now.
1459
01:14:10,054 --> 01:14:11,708
Tell us about
this wonderful movie.
1460
01:14:11,751 --> 01:14:14,972
- Oh, I'm so excited
about this--my debut project.
1461
01:14:17,191 --> 01:14:20,804
Hawaii's island of Kauai
is many things to many people.
1462
01:14:20,847 --> 01:14:23,415
- Things that you normally
only read about
1463
01:14:23,459 --> 01:14:26,374
in "Discover Magazine"
or something.
1464
01:14:26,418 --> 01:14:29,465
It's not often you see
shark's teeth in a human.
1465
01:14:29,508 --> 01:14:33,120
But, you know, they're
functioning perfectly.
1466
01:14:48,048 --> 01:14:50,007
- I was wondering,
do we push this?
1467
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:52,705
Do I go up there
and serve wine?
1468
01:14:52,749 --> 01:14:54,315
[laughter]
1469
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:56,622
- With the teeth?
- With the teeth.
1470
01:15:00,365 --> 01:15:02,498
- To me, it's another level
of absurdity
1471
01:15:02,541 --> 01:15:06,850
that I can't stop myself
from wanting to do.
1472
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:15,946
- People might find it odd
1473
01:15:15,989 --> 01:15:20,167
that you're using the stem
cells of a different species
1474
01:15:20,211 --> 01:15:22,561
for your research in humans.
1475
01:15:22,605 --> 01:15:27,348
- I had no idea that the teeth
would regenerate so quickly.
1476
01:15:27,392 --> 01:15:31,527
Every test that I did on him
was, you know, 100% normal.
1477
01:15:31,570 --> 01:15:35,095
It was as if Joe
was born with those teeth.
1478
01:15:35,139 --> 01:15:37,881
[applause]
1479
01:15:37,924 --> 01:15:39,709
- I'm Kit Farrell.
1480
01:15:39,752 --> 01:15:42,233
- That group was basically
to make it more transparent,
1481
01:15:42,276 --> 01:15:43,930
as they say.
1482
01:15:43,974 --> 01:15:46,150
- The man with the shark teeth?
1483
01:15:46,193 --> 01:15:47,499
I'm just curious,
1484
01:15:47,543 --> 01:15:49,588
why do the teeth regenerate
and--
1485
01:15:49,632 --> 01:15:52,983
- Yeah, yeah, so this is
xenotransplantation,
1486
01:15:53,026 --> 01:15:57,074
which I have come to find
is actually not that uncommon.
1487
01:15:57,117 --> 01:15:59,163
It has to do with stem cells.
1488
01:16:19,487 --> 01:16:23,970
- My stories may take off
and be an instant--
1489
01:16:24,014 --> 01:16:26,233
everyone has to read it.
1490
01:16:26,277 --> 01:16:30,673
Or they may be a slow,
in the back burner, you know,
1491
01:16:30,716 --> 01:16:34,372
takes time for this
to come around.
1492
01:16:34,415 --> 01:16:38,289
And I have to have
the openness,
1493
01:16:38,332 --> 01:16:41,901
the flexibility
to let that happen.
1494
01:16:45,165 --> 01:16:50,518
I have planted seeds
of thought.
1495
01:16:50,562 --> 01:16:55,088
And seeds of thought
hopefully will grow.
1496
01:17:01,834 --> 01:17:04,881
"Pandora's Hope" is now a film.
1497
01:17:04,924 --> 01:17:07,057
So it has a life.
1498
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:10,321
It's not a newspaper article
1499
01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:12,279
that, you know,
is yesterday's news,
1500
01:17:12,323 --> 01:17:13,585
buried and gone.
1501
01:17:13,629 --> 01:17:16,109
- Joey?
- Yes, yes.
1502
01:17:16,153 --> 01:17:19,504
- I'm actually calling
to tell you
1503
01:17:19,547 --> 01:17:23,160
that our film, "Pandora's Hope,"
has just been accepted
1504
01:17:23,203 --> 01:17:26,816
into the Big Apple Film Festival
in New York City.
1505
01:17:26,859 --> 01:17:28,165
- You're kidding.
1506
01:17:28,208 --> 01:17:30,471
- Isn't that amazing?
1507
01:17:30,515 --> 01:17:32,343
- That's fabulous.
1508
01:17:32,386 --> 01:17:37,435
In my heart,
I've always been the person
1509
01:17:37,478 --> 01:17:40,612
who is disturbed by things,
1510
01:17:40,656 --> 01:17:42,875
wants to see a change,
1511
01:17:42,919 --> 01:17:45,922
and looks for a way
in which to reach people
1512
01:17:45,965 --> 01:17:47,532
to ring the bell
1513
01:17:47,575 --> 01:17:50,317
to make those changes.
1514
01:17:50,361 --> 01:17:52,450
I'm gonna send out
the press release
1515
01:17:52,493 --> 01:17:54,713
with a flyer
announcing "Pandora's Hope"
1516
01:17:54,757 --> 01:17:58,195
in the film festival in New York
to the news media
1517
01:17:58,238 --> 01:18:03,026
and generate some buzz
about the film.
1518
01:18:06,594 --> 01:18:08,422
Is it possible for you
to get some friends
1519
01:18:08,466 --> 01:18:11,556
to be protestors
and protest the movie
1520
01:18:11,599 --> 01:18:15,342
because there's animal stem
cells being used in humans?
1521
01:18:15,386 --> 01:18:18,606
We're gonna have a demonstration
against the movie.
1522
01:18:18,650 --> 01:18:20,913
So I'm planning on that.
1523
01:18:20,957 --> 01:18:22,567
[laughing]
1524
01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:25,744
I'm getting protest signs
printed up now.
1525
01:18:25,788 --> 01:18:27,615
Frankenfood, Frankenpeople.
1526
01:18:27,659 --> 01:18:29,356
Frankenstein.
1527
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,838
Just don't tell anybody
that it's a hoax.
1528
01:18:32,882 --> 01:18:33,883
- I won't, I won't.
1529
01:18:33,926 --> 01:18:35,798
- Okay.
1530
01:18:35,841 --> 01:18:38,235
All right, 'cause I've got,
like, two years worth of my life
1531
01:18:38,278 --> 01:18:39,932
in this thing.
1532
01:18:39,976 --> 01:18:41,107
Bye.
1533
01:18:41,151 --> 01:18:42,369
- Bye.
1534
01:18:42,413 --> 01:18:45,024
- [chuckling]
1535
01:19:00,692 --> 01:19:03,651
[atmospheric music]
1536
01:19:03,695 --> 01:19:10,746
♪
1537
01:19:28,546 --> 01:19:31,505
[no speech audio]
1538
01:19:31,549 --> 01:19:38,599
♪
1539
01:19:53,614 --> 01:19:55,834
I don't remember if I told you
about my first-grade teacher,
1540
01:19:55,878 --> 01:19:58,315
Ms. Davis,
who said to the class,
1541
01:19:58,358 --> 01:20:01,535
"Class, I want you all
to think about something.
1542
01:20:01,579 --> 01:20:03,537
"Just open your minds.
1543
01:20:03,581 --> 01:20:05,757
I'm gonna tell you
about a big picture."
1544
01:20:05,801 --> 01:20:07,715
She started out
telling the class,
1545
01:20:07,759 --> 01:20:10,109
"Oh, let's, you know,
look under a microscope,"
1546
01:20:10,153 --> 01:20:12,416
and we see this little amoeba.
1547
01:20:12,459 --> 01:20:15,114
And then, you know,
the amoeba grows,
1548
01:20:15,158 --> 01:20:17,943
and we have, you know,
bigger life,
1549
01:20:17,987 --> 01:20:22,252
and we grow,
and now we have people.
1550
01:20:22,295 --> 01:20:24,602
But people are really,
you know,
1551
01:20:24,645 --> 01:20:26,909
just a grain of sand
on a beach.
1552
01:20:26,952 --> 01:20:32,131
And she said, "Just imagine
all the beaches in the world,
1553
01:20:32,175 --> 01:20:38,398
"and then planets and
galaxies in a big universe.
1554
01:20:38,442 --> 01:20:41,184
And it goes on and on
and on and on."
1555
01:20:41,227 --> 01:20:44,056
And she just kept getting
the picture bigger and bigger.
1556
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:45,841
I felt really frightened.
1557
01:20:45,884 --> 01:20:49,583
I just, you know--
I lost my grasp of reality,
1558
01:20:49,627 --> 01:20:52,673
where I was,
my place in the universe.
1559
01:20:52,717 --> 01:20:56,199
And I realized
how insignificant I was.
1560
01:20:56,242 --> 01:21:03,293
♪
1561
01:21:57,913 --> 01:21:59,523
- Well, that's it.
1562
01:21:59,566 --> 01:22:01,917
That's our evening
at a cathouse for dogs.
1563
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,440
And it is for real,
1564
01:22:03,483 --> 01:22:06,269
and it is run
by Mr. Joseph Skaggs.
1565
01:22:06,312 --> 01:22:07,661
No kidding around.
1566
01:22:07,705 --> 01:22:09,402
This is it, right?
1567
01:22:09,446 --> 01:22:10,577
- Satisfaction guaranteed, Alex.
1568
01:22:10,621 --> 01:22:12,318
- Satisfaction guaranteed.
1569
01:22:12,362 --> 01:22:15,321
[rousing music]
1570
01:22:15,365 --> 01:22:22,415
♪
1571
01:23:51,548 --> 01:23:52,679
- I want to get you a live shot.
1572
01:23:52,723 --> 01:23:54,420
This is a protest,
1573
01:23:54,464 --> 01:23:56,335
according to at least
one press release,
1574
01:23:56,379 --> 01:23:58,859
organized by an artist
named Joey Skaggs.
1575
01:23:58,903 --> 01:24:00,644
He has led this band
1576
01:24:00,687 --> 01:24:03,342
of outraged consumers
dressed as Muppets
1577
01:24:03,386 --> 01:24:05,083
down to Goldman
on West Street.
1578
01:24:05,127 --> 01:24:07,085
He's also peddling
1579
01:24:07,129 --> 01:24:09,609
what they're calling his mobile
homeless homes prototype.
1580
01:24:09,653 --> 01:24:11,176
It's what they're calling
1581
01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:13,222
a low-cost
alternative living space
1582
01:24:13,265 --> 01:24:15,180
for the millions of underwater
1583
01:24:15,224 --> 01:24:17,095
or foreclosed homeowners
in this country,
1584
01:24:17,139 --> 01:24:19,967
but Goldman clearly is not done
hearing about Muppets.
1585
01:25:12,150 --> 01:25:14,109
- Is this the last
of your hoaxes?
1586
01:25:14,152 --> 01:25:17,199
- Oh, sure.
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