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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:06,906 --> 00:00:08,440 Narrator: Have we really seen everything 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08,508 --> 00:00:10,175 on the surface of the earth? 5 00:00:12,712 --> 00:00:14,446 Sometimes it seems like the world 6 00:00:14,514 --> 00:00:17,683 keeps getting smaller and smaller. 7 00:00:17,751 --> 00:00:21,053 We've walked every place there is to walk. 8 00:00:21,121 --> 00:00:23,389 We've trod every square inch of the globe. 9 00:00:23,423 --> 00:00:25,491 We've photographed everything... 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,698 and we've posted it and we've shared it and we've liked it. 11 00:00:32,766 --> 00:00:35,300 It can seem as if there's no place left on earth 12 00:00:35,368 --> 00:00:37,469 whose mystery we haven't stolen... 13 00:00:39,672 --> 00:00:44,476 but that's not actually true. 14 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:47,112 We don't know everything. 15 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:50,115 There are still places on earth that are unknown to us, 16 00:00:50,183 --> 00:00:53,719 indifferent to us... 17 00:00:53,787 --> 00:00:55,487 And even hostile to us. 18 00:00:55,555 --> 00:01:02,995 ♪ 19 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:10,369 ♪ 20 00:01:10,437 --> 00:01:17,810 ♪ 21 00:01:17,877 --> 00:01:25,217 ♪ 22 00:01:25,284 --> 00:01:27,052 Matheson: We're a very experienced group. 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,620 I don't think there's anybody here that really needs 24 00:01:28,688 --> 00:01:32,091 to be reminded, but I'm gonna do it anyway. 25 00:01:32,158 --> 00:01:35,127 It's very easy in open areas, on the phone, 26 00:01:35,195 --> 00:01:38,931 talking among ourselves, to disclose what we're here doing. 27 00:01:38,998 --> 00:01:41,533 Just try and refrain from it, because what we don't want to do 28 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:44,803 is raise our profile any more than we are right now. 29 00:01:44,871 --> 00:01:49,741 ♪ 30 00:01:49,809 --> 00:01:52,678 Preston: Every Honduran knows about the lost white city 31 00:01:52,745 --> 00:01:55,280 hidden deep in the jungle. 32 00:01:55,348 --> 00:01:58,617 The legend is that you can't find the white city, 33 00:01:58,684 --> 00:02:02,221 but if you do find it, you never come back. 34 00:02:04,257 --> 00:02:06,692 Elkins: We've caravanned from Tegucigalpa to Catacamas. 35 00:02:06,759 --> 00:02:08,560 I think it's about 120 miles. 36 00:02:08,628 --> 00:02:10,796 What's most impressive is, the government 37 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:14,466 provided us with a full-on military escort. 38 00:02:14,501 --> 00:02:17,870 We had to cart some fuel with us for the helicopters. 39 00:02:17,937 --> 00:02:20,105 We had soldiers in front, soldiers in the back, 40 00:02:20,173 --> 00:02:21,807 undercover soldiers, everything, 41 00:02:21,875 --> 00:02:25,144 and we're finally here at what will be headquarters. 42 00:02:34,087 --> 00:02:35,020 Is that okay for the colonel? 43 00:02:35,054 --> 00:02:38,423 [ Speaking in Spanish ] 44 00:02:44,631 --> 00:02:46,665 Wood: Colonel, thank you. It was a great move today. 45 00:02:46,732 --> 00:02:47,699 Very safe move. Thank you so much. 46 00:02:47,767 --> 00:02:48,700 You're welcome. 47 00:02:48,768 --> 00:02:56,768 ♪ 48 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:06,011 ♪ 49 00:03:07,286 --> 00:03:08,587 Elkins: We're trying to find something 50 00:03:08,655 --> 00:03:11,557 that people have been looking for for over 500 years. 51 00:03:11,624 --> 00:03:16,628 ♪ 52 00:03:16,696 --> 00:03:18,230 Wood: Wow. 53 00:03:18,298 --> 00:03:20,899 Elkins: That's amazing. You cannot see anything through this canopy. 54 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:22,935 Yeah. You have no clue what's down there. 55 00:03:23,002 --> 00:03:30,475 ♪ 56 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:38,016 ♪ 57 00:03:38,084 --> 00:03:45,524 ♪ 58 00:03:45,592 --> 00:03:53,065 ♪ 59 00:03:53,132 --> 00:04:00,639 ♪ 60 00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:03,809 Mabel: Whoever goes in, they cannot make it out alive, 61 00:04:03,876 --> 00:04:07,746 so maybe that's why he has been so secretly safe. 62 00:04:09,782 --> 00:04:11,717 Elkins: Like all legends of this nature, 63 00:04:11,784 --> 00:04:13,585 there's always a curse involved. 64 00:04:16,489 --> 00:04:17,723 Probably some plant that's deadly, 65 00:04:17,757 --> 00:04:19,825 and if you mess with it, you get a bad reaction. 66 00:04:19,892 --> 00:04:21,059 You eat it, you die. 67 00:04:21,127 --> 00:04:23,629 Or get bit by a fer-de-Lance or something else, 68 00:04:23,696 --> 00:04:26,164 or maybe there's a deadly disease. 69 00:04:26,232 --> 00:04:28,467 There's probably some reason why it started. 70 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:34,473 Preston: Up to this point, this whole lost city had been theoretical. 71 00:04:37,043 --> 00:04:39,478 Elkins: Does it exist or does it not? 72 00:04:39,545 --> 00:04:46,151 ♪ 73 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:52,858 ♪ 74 00:04:52,925 --> 00:04:53,792 I was doing a story 75 00:04:53,860 --> 00:04:56,228 about some lost temples in Cambodia, 76 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:58,030 and I was at the jet propulsion laboratory 77 00:04:58,097 --> 00:05:00,232 and I met this guy named Ron blom, 78 00:05:00,266 --> 00:05:01,733 who had been doing some work on 79 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:05,370 finding these lost temples using remote sensing. 80 00:05:05,438 --> 00:05:09,174 They flew a DC-10 with a synthetic aperture radar 81 00:05:09,242 --> 00:05:11,176 over the jungles of Cambodia, 82 00:05:11,277 --> 00:05:15,447 and they found some temples that had never been known to exist. 83 00:05:15,515 --> 00:05:16,848 So I asked him, I said, 84 00:05:16,916 --> 00:05:19,618 "well, Ron, what other lost cities are you looking for?" 85 00:05:19,686 --> 00:05:21,253 And he got very nervous. 86 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:22,921 You know, scientists are terrible liars. 87 00:05:22,955 --> 00:05:25,090 He was like, "oh, well, uh, nothing really." 88 00:05:25,158 --> 00:05:26,591 And I said, "no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. 89 00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:28,660 You must be must be looking for something, right?" 90 00:05:28,728 --> 00:05:30,796 "Well, I am, but I can't talk about it. 91 00:05:30,863 --> 00:05:33,065 I've signed a non-disclosure agreement." 92 00:05:33,099 --> 00:05:36,101 So I pressed him, and finally, he said, 93 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:39,371 well, he would ask the guy who had hired him 94 00:05:39,438 --> 00:05:42,574 and see if the guy would be willing to contact me. 95 00:05:42,642 --> 00:05:44,543 So that's when I got a call from Steve Elkins. 96 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:45,644 He said, "what are you doing 97 00:05:45,712 --> 00:05:47,412 asking Ron blom all these questions? 98 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,413 What's going on here? 99 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:50,182 And I said, "well, look, I understand 100 00:05:50,249 --> 00:05:53,018 that you're looking for a lost city somewhere in the world, 101 00:05:53,086 --> 00:05:54,586 and I want to write about it." 102 00:05:54,654 --> 00:05:57,522 Elkins: I had this image made up utilizing satellites. 103 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:59,157 This is the area of the mosquitia 104 00:05:59,225 --> 00:06:01,660 that we think the lost city might be located in. 105 00:06:01,728 --> 00:06:04,162 I had asked the government of Honduras to give me a map 106 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:06,398 showing me all the places that they know 107 00:06:06,465 --> 00:06:09,434 have been surveyed archeologically in the mosquitia. 108 00:06:09,502 --> 00:06:11,703 The reason being is I don't really want to go places 109 00:06:11,771 --> 00:06:13,438 that have been surveyed already. 110 00:06:13,506 --> 00:06:14,806 There's no point in doing that. 111 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:18,443 I need to know what places are truly unexplored. 112 00:06:18,511 --> 00:06:21,213 So on this map, they penciled out 113 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,415 in little rectangles of general areas 114 00:06:23,483 --> 00:06:24,883 that have been surveyed and they know about, 115 00:06:24,951 --> 00:06:26,385 and they know they have found sites. 116 00:06:26,452 --> 00:06:27,919 They're almost all on river systems, 117 00:06:27,954 --> 00:06:30,155 which makes sense, because first of all, 118 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:31,757 that's where people usually made their settlements. 119 00:06:31,824 --> 00:06:34,059 And secondly, it's a heck of a lot easier 120 00:06:34,127 --> 00:06:35,727 to get to a site along a river 121 00:06:35,795 --> 00:06:39,331 as opposed to something deep in the interior, in the mountains. 122 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,833 The area where I believe is totally unexplored 123 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:44,536 is this big, blank spot on the map right here. 124 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:46,171 Somewhere in this area here. 125 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:50,041 Elkins: The first evidence of there being some fabulous lost city 126 00:06:50,109 --> 00:06:51,743 in the jungles of eastern Honduras 127 00:06:51,811 --> 00:06:54,246 dates back to 1526. [ Bells ringing ] 128 00:06:54,313 --> 00:06:57,649 The conquistador hernan cortes wrote in his letters 129 00:06:57,717 --> 00:06:59,684 to the king of Spain, and he says, 130 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:03,088 "I have received news of a very large and wealthy province 131 00:07:03,156 --> 00:07:04,756 with powerful lords, 132 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:07,259 and such wonderful news has been received of it 133 00:07:07,326 --> 00:07:09,227 that I marvel at what is said. 134 00:07:09,262 --> 00:07:11,630 For even if two thirds of it proved false, 135 00:07:11,697 --> 00:07:13,565 it must succeed Mexico in riches." 136 00:07:13,633 --> 00:07:15,700 This is the first written record of it, 137 00:07:15,768 --> 00:07:19,004 and it seems to have inspired everybody to try and find out, 138 00:07:19,071 --> 00:07:22,274 does it exist or does it not? 139 00:07:22,375 --> 00:07:24,976 As I delved into the mystery, I found accounts 140 00:07:25,044 --> 00:07:26,645 of all the people who claim to have gone 141 00:07:26,712 --> 00:07:30,549 from as far back as the 1920s, but I could never verify 142 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:32,451 if they actually found the place. 143 00:07:35,254 --> 00:07:36,555 As time went on, 144 00:07:36,622 --> 00:07:38,824 many of them were found to be exaggerators or liars, 145 00:07:38,891 --> 00:07:40,192 and their claims were refuted. 146 00:07:42,161 --> 00:07:44,262 When I was a kid, I loved the idea of 147 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:47,132 discovering something no one had ever seen before. 148 00:07:47,166 --> 00:07:49,501 Many of my friends would get irritated with me. 149 00:07:49,569 --> 00:07:51,870 They called me "over-the-Ridge Elkins," 150 00:07:51,938 --> 00:07:53,338 because we'd be hiking and I'd say, 151 00:07:53,406 --> 00:07:54,906 "oh, we just kind of go over the next Ridge 152 00:07:54,974 --> 00:07:55,941 and see what's there." 153 00:07:56,008 --> 00:07:57,976 So there's an innate curiosity and a drive 154 00:07:58,044 --> 00:08:00,712 that some of us have and some of us don't. 155 00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:02,714 Hello, my name is Steve Morgan, 156 00:08:02,782 --> 00:08:04,916 and I'm your host for this program. 157 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:06,318 The film that you're about to see 158 00:08:06,385 --> 00:08:09,354 will take you into the uncharted jungles of Central America, 159 00:08:09,422 --> 00:08:11,790 where mysterious ruins and ancient legends 160 00:08:11,858 --> 00:08:13,758 lie hidden by a jungle veil. 161 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:16,161 Elkins: Steve Morgan used to be a treasure hunter. 162 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:18,997 I call him an adventurer now, because it's no longer good 163 00:08:19,064 --> 00:08:21,366 to be treasure hunters in the modern world. 164 00:08:21,434 --> 00:08:26,505 I met him in early '94, when I was in the television business. 165 00:08:26,572 --> 00:08:28,206 Morgan: Ever since man first crawled out of his cave, 166 00:08:28,274 --> 00:08:30,709 he wanted to know what was on the other side of the hill. 167 00:08:30,776 --> 00:08:33,712 Well, I like getting out there and knowing what's on -- 168 00:08:33,779 --> 00:08:37,349 What's in the jungles of Honduras or South America. 169 00:08:37,416 --> 00:08:38,917 I have his book right here -- 170 00:08:38,985 --> 00:08:42,587 "captain Morgan's guide to documentary adventures." 171 00:08:42,655 --> 00:08:46,925 This is the very book that I read in late '93 or early '94, 172 00:08:46,993 --> 00:08:49,227 and got me really fascinated. 173 00:08:49,295 --> 00:08:53,465 One of the stories, "Ciudad blanca -- lost city." 174 00:08:53,499 --> 00:08:54,699 I read this story and I went, 175 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:57,702 "wow, this is great. I love this kind of stuff." 176 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:00,338 Steve told me it was really inexpensive 177 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:02,507 to do productions in Honduras. 178 00:09:02,575 --> 00:09:04,342 He said, "oh, I have a friend named Bruce, 179 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:07,178 a childhood buddy, Bruce heinicke, 180 00:09:07,246 --> 00:09:10,482 and we used to go looking for civil war artifacts as kids, 181 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,117 growing up in St. Louis, 182 00:09:12,184 --> 00:09:13,552 and we worked on shipwrecks together. 183 00:09:13,619 --> 00:09:14,986 We had all kinds of adventures." 184 00:09:15,054 --> 00:09:15,987 We just never grew up. 185 00:09:16,055 --> 00:09:17,656 Steve still wants to be a pirate, 186 00:09:17,723 --> 00:09:19,925 and I just never made up my mind 187 00:09:19,992 --> 00:09:21,459 what I'm gonna be when I grow up, so... 188 00:09:22,995 --> 00:09:24,963 Elkins: Bruce was the ultimate old-school 189 00:09:24,997 --> 00:09:26,598 central American fixer. 190 00:09:26,665 --> 00:09:28,066 He was a rather large man. 191 00:09:28,134 --> 00:09:30,001 He had a gold chain, a big pinkie ring, 192 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:31,069 and was the kind of guy 193 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:33,572 that you didn't want to have angry with you. 194 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:36,241 Steve told me, Bruce lives in Honduras. 195 00:09:36,309 --> 00:09:37,642 He knows his way around. 196 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:39,911 When we first got to Tegucigalpa 197 00:09:39,979 --> 00:09:41,613 on the beginning of the expedition, 198 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,048 Bruce met us at the airport 199 00:09:43,115 --> 00:09:46,718 and he made sure that we had no problems, that we were safe, 200 00:09:46,786 --> 00:09:49,554 and he had a whole army of local people. 201 00:09:49,622 --> 00:09:51,323 God knows what he was doing. 202 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,561 Steve had an idea where to go, 203 00:09:56,629 --> 00:09:58,530 and he recruited an indigenous local 204 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:03,335 to guide us through the jungle, and we wound up going. 205 00:10:03,402 --> 00:10:09,107 [ Indistinct chatter ] 206 00:10:09,175 --> 00:10:11,910 [ Speaking in native language ] 207 00:10:22,955 --> 00:10:24,623 One, two, three. 208 00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:30,629 Elkins: This went on for a couple of days. 209 00:10:30,663 --> 00:10:32,397 Finally, we got to the point to where 210 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,132 we couldn't go by canoe anymore. 211 00:10:34,199 --> 00:10:37,135 We have to put everything on our backs and start walking. 212 00:10:37,203 --> 00:10:38,770 How we all did it, I don't know. 213 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:42,307 [ Speaking in native language ] 214 00:10:42,341 --> 00:10:50,341 ♪ 215 00:10:50,716 --> 00:10:54,252 Then eventually, we're going up further up into the highlands, 216 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,222 and there's this big Boulder. 217 00:10:57,289 --> 00:10:59,891 [ Speaking in native language ] 218 00:11:00,026 --> 00:11:02,260 So the archeologist from the government who was with us 219 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:05,030 outlined the carving in chalk, so we could see it. 220 00:11:05,097 --> 00:11:08,533 [ Speaking in native language ] 221 00:11:08,601 --> 00:11:11,336 Morgan: He has a mask over his face. 222 00:11:11,404 --> 00:11:15,106 [ Speaking in native language ] 223 00:11:15,174 --> 00:11:18,410 He has something like a sack full of corn. 224 00:11:18,477 --> 00:11:20,412 Elkins: I remember seeing that and going, 225 00:11:20,479 --> 00:11:22,714 "why would this carving be in the middle of nowhere, 226 00:11:22,782 --> 00:11:24,883 up in the highlands, in this mountain stream, 227 00:11:24,950 --> 00:11:27,218 if there was nothing going on here in the past?" 228 00:11:27,286 --> 00:11:28,720 Just doesn't make sense. 229 00:11:28,788 --> 00:11:31,456 That, to me, was a moment of epiphany. 230 00:11:31,523 --> 00:11:33,591 I said, "there is something to this legend," 231 00:11:33,659 --> 00:11:35,326 and it inspired me to go further. 232 00:11:35,394 --> 00:11:37,295 Something told me that there's more to the story 233 00:11:37,363 --> 00:11:38,997 than meets the eye. 234 00:11:47,339 --> 00:11:51,176 One of the stories, "Ciudad blanca -- lost city." 235 00:11:51,243 --> 00:11:52,277 I read this story and I went, 236 00:11:52,344 --> 00:11:55,180 "wow, this is great. I love this kind of stuff," 237 00:11:55,247 --> 00:11:57,515 and we wound up going. 238 00:12:01,087 --> 00:12:03,855 All throughout the mid-'90s, 239 00:12:03,857 --> 00:12:06,558 myself, as well as one of my friends and associates, 240 00:12:06,625 --> 00:12:09,694 Tom weinberg, and Steve Morgan and some other people, 241 00:12:09,762 --> 00:12:11,763 we didn't want to give up. 242 00:12:11,831 --> 00:12:14,532 Preston: Steve said, "look, all we have to do is organize 243 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,703 an expedition to go in there and verify it on the ground." 244 00:12:18,771 --> 00:12:20,505 He had the expedition all organized. 245 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:22,140 It was ready to go, and then 246 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:28,113 hurricane Mitch literally destroyed Honduras in 1998. 247 00:12:28,180 --> 00:12:30,682 Narrator: By the evening of the 29th of October, 248 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:33,351 Mitch had already reached the northern coast. 249 00:12:33,419 --> 00:12:35,787 The water racing down from the mountains 250 00:12:35,854 --> 00:12:39,257 was funneled into the valleys at terrifying speeds, 251 00:12:39,325 --> 00:12:42,093 wiping out anything in its path. 252 00:12:42,161 --> 00:12:43,361 [ Water roars ] 253 00:12:45,798 --> 00:12:47,565 Residents watched in horror 254 00:12:47,633 --> 00:12:50,268 as friends and neighbors were swept away. 255 00:12:50,336 --> 00:12:51,870 [ Screaming ] 256 00:12:54,807 --> 00:12:58,209 Mitch was the most lethal storm in modern history -- 257 00:12:59,678 --> 00:13:02,013 Elkins: I give up, at least for the time being. 258 00:13:02,081 --> 00:13:03,681 We did our lives -- 259 00:13:03,749 --> 00:13:05,784 Our professional lives, our personal lives -- 260 00:13:05,851 --> 00:13:10,588 And the lost city was just kind of one little speck 261 00:13:10,656 --> 00:13:12,524 somewhere in our consciousness. 262 00:13:12,591 --> 00:13:13,892 Preston: At a certain point, I'm thinking, 263 00:13:13,993 --> 00:13:15,527 "well, this is never gonna happen." 264 00:13:15,594 --> 00:13:16,795 You know, it was a brave effort, 265 00:13:16,829 --> 00:13:19,564 but it's just never gonna happen. 266 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:22,133 Until 2009. 267 00:13:22,201 --> 00:13:24,502 It's had to have divine intervention. 268 00:13:24,570 --> 00:13:27,305 There was a reason that Mabel was in Honduras 269 00:13:27,373 --> 00:13:29,407 and got to talk to the president. 270 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:31,743 I believe that. I believe it with all my heart. 271 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:35,780 Still to today, I don't know how I got there. 272 00:13:35,848 --> 00:13:38,817 I don't know -- I don't know what got into me 273 00:13:38,884 --> 00:13:41,419 that make me go, and -- 274 00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:43,988 I mean, "you know, I could have got killed," I say to him, 275 00:13:44,056 --> 00:13:45,623 and he said, "yes, I know." 276 00:13:57,369 --> 00:13:59,037 So many policemen, 277 00:13:59,104 --> 00:14:02,640 so many people with machine guns, bodyguards. 278 00:14:44,683 --> 00:14:48,853 And he say, "I love it. I love the whole thing. 279 00:14:48,855 --> 00:14:50,688 I heard about the story, 280 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:56,227 and I want this to happen in my time as a president." 281 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:03,401 Man: At the same time, I had just read an article 282 00:15:03,469 --> 00:15:05,737 in archeology magazine in the New York times 283 00:15:05,804 --> 00:15:08,873 about an evolution of lidar technology, 284 00:15:08,941 --> 00:15:11,743 which is a method of scanning terrestrial features 285 00:15:11,810 --> 00:15:13,478 using laser beams from an airplane 286 00:15:13,545 --> 00:15:15,446 that was successfully used in Belize 287 00:15:15,481 --> 00:15:18,816 at the Maya site of caracol. 288 00:15:18,884 --> 00:15:20,018 I looked at the pictures and I went, 289 00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:24,422 "holy cow, this changes the game." 290 00:15:24,490 --> 00:15:28,092 Narrator: Lidar is a remote-sensing method similar to radar. 291 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,962 It uses laser pulses to measure variable distances 292 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:34,065 from the lidar scanner to the surface it's measuring. 293 00:15:34,099 --> 00:15:36,501 As the laser pulses bounce back, 294 00:15:36,568 --> 00:15:38,970 they generate data known as a point cloud 295 00:15:39,038 --> 00:15:43,808 that can then be used to create 3-d maps of the scanned areas. 296 00:15:43,876 --> 00:15:46,077 All of this happens in just seconds. 297 00:15:46,145 --> 00:15:52,350 ♪ 298 00:15:52,384 --> 00:15:56,254 Elkins: Now we have two elements -- the backing of a new government, 299 00:15:56,321 --> 00:15:59,524 and we've got a technology that makes it possible 300 00:15:59,591 --> 00:16:01,392 to see what's in a large area 301 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:04,295 without really a whole lot of physical effort. 302 00:16:04,363 --> 00:16:06,898 Lidar, as it's used today, is an amazing tool 303 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:11,102 for finding highly detailed information about structures 304 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:14,639 and features underneath a very heavy forest cover. 305 00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:19,577 Lidar really has revolutionized the way that archeology is done. 306 00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:21,713 Preston: Lidar is much more well-known now 307 00:16:21,780 --> 00:16:25,116 because of its use in driverless cars and video games, 308 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:27,385 but back then, it was an evolving technology, 309 00:16:27,453 --> 00:16:29,687 and we really didn't know much about it. 310 00:16:29,755 --> 00:16:33,658 Now, lidar lasers fire at over a million times a second, 311 00:16:33,726 --> 00:16:36,227 but back then, it wasn't that advanced yet, 312 00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:38,663 and it had never been used in this way before, 313 00:16:38,731 --> 00:16:40,498 and it might not work. 314 00:16:40,565 --> 00:16:43,368 There might not be enough laser pulses reaching the ground 315 00:16:43,435 --> 00:16:45,803 in order to scan the terrain. 316 00:16:45,871 --> 00:16:48,239 Well, Steve said, "look, we've got all our permits, 317 00:16:48,307 --> 00:16:49,607 and we're all set to go. 318 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:51,509 We're going to roatán island, 319 00:16:51,577 --> 00:16:53,411 and we got the plane all lined up, 320 00:16:53,479 --> 00:16:56,014 and we're gonna find the lost city." 321 00:16:59,551 --> 00:17:02,320 Elkins: To provide additional protection for the lidar plane, 322 00:17:02,388 --> 00:17:04,555 we based our operation on roatán, 323 00:17:04,623 --> 00:17:07,625 an island about 40 miles off the northern coast of Honduras. 324 00:17:53,872 --> 00:17:57,875 Preston: Well, lidar technology is just totally cutting-edge here. 325 00:17:57,943 --> 00:18:01,279 It's sophisticated, extremely expensive, 326 00:18:01,346 --> 00:18:03,047 and also used by the military. 327 00:18:03,115 --> 00:18:05,249 It was very difficult for the team to get the permits 328 00:18:05,317 --> 00:18:06,784 to even get it to leave the country 329 00:18:06,852 --> 00:18:09,253 and bring it down here. 330 00:18:09,321 --> 00:18:11,823 Gross: The lidar system has some important 331 00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:14,425 electronic security issues on it, 332 00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:18,596 that in the wrong hands, could be used the wrong way. 333 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:22,333 Okay. 334 00:18:26,972 --> 00:18:28,339 Okay. 335 00:18:28,407 --> 00:18:31,042 Preston: There's certain parts of this technology that are 336 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:35,246 actually classified and used in U.S. guided missiles. 337 00:18:35,314 --> 00:18:39,884 All I know is we've always kept it quiet. 338 00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:43,321 Preston: It has to be guarded by soldiers 24/7 339 00:18:43,388 --> 00:18:47,425 to make sure that our enemies don't get their hands on it. 340 00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:49,760 I mean, that's cool. I like that. 341 00:18:51,864 --> 00:18:53,998 Preston: The main question we faced was, 342 00:18:54,032 --> 00:18:56,200 is lidar going to work at all in the jungle? 343 00:18:56,268 --> 00:18:59,871 This was the first time lidar had ever been used 344 00:19:00,005 --> 00:19:02,373 as a tool of pure exploration. 345 00:19:02,441 --> 00:19:05,476 Previously, they were lidaring archeological sites 346 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:07,145 known to be sites, 347 00:19:07,212 --> 00:19:09,313 and they knew they were gonna find something, 348 00:19:09,381 --> 00:19:12,283 but this was using lidar in a new way. 349 00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:19,624 What we are doing is genuine discovery, modern-day discovery. 350 00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:23,194 Fernandez-Diaz: It was kind of a shot in the dark, 351 00:19:23,262 --> 00:19:27,532 but I was hoping that we were going to get lucky. 352 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:28,566 Preston: I really thought, 353 00:19:28,634 --> 00:19:31,636 "well, they're not gonna find anything." 354 00:19:31,703 --> 00:19:37,275 ♪ 355 00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:44,282 ♪ 356 00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:53,357 Juan Carlos had a laptop computer 357 00:19:53,425 --> 00:19:55,059 that he jacked into the lidar unit, 358 00:19:55,127 --> 00:19:56,861 and that was the controller, 359 00:19:56,863 --> 00:20:00,464 and he had mapped their route on this laptop 360 00:20:00,499 --> 00:20:02,133 which was connected to the lidar machine, 361 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:06,070 and that was connected to the plane's navigational system. 362 00:20:06,138 --> 00:20:10,875 So we're shooting 100,000 laser pulses per second 363 00:20:10,976 --> 00:20:14,845 out of the bottom of the plane, scanning the jungle below us 364 00:20:14,847 --> 00:20:17,515 and creating an enormous amount of data, 365 00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:22,653 a point cloud that we can turn into a 3-d map of the area. 366 00:20:22,721 --> 00:20:26,824 Theoretically, if something is there, we'll see it. 367 00:20:26,858 --> 00:20:29,393 ♪ 368 00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:32,663 Whatever's down there, the data that's being collected right now 369 00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:36,367 is of unbelievably important value to science. 370 00:20:36,435 --> 00:20:44,435 ♪ 371 00:20:45,644 --> 00:20:47,178 ♪ 372 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:48,879 Sartori: The plane needs to spend around three days 373 00:20:48,947 --> 00:20:50,181 flying over the target area 374 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:52,717 to collect enough data to analyze. 375 00:20:52,784 --> 00:20:55,553 So, for the moment, we were all in a holding pattern. 376 00:20:58,323 --> 00:21:01,092 Preston: We weren't really sure when the images 377 00:21:01,159 --> 00:21:02,593 would be fully processed. 378 00:21:02,661 --> 00:21:04,128 There were a lot of problems getting the data 379 00:21:04,196 --> 00:21:06,397 and then uploading it for analysis. 380 00:21:06,465 --> 00:21:09,634 So we're walking back from breakfast, 381 00:21:09,701 --> 00:21:12,136 and this very skeptical engineer -- 382 00:21:12,204 --> 00:21:14,972 He was running, and he's shouting, 383 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,073 "there's something in the valley! 384 00:21:16,141 --> 00:21:17,341 There's something in the valley!" 385 00:21:17,409 --> 00:21:19,377 And of course, we're like, "what is it? What is it?" 386 00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:22,213 And then he stops. He says, "I'm not gonna tell you. 387 00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:24,682 I can't even describe it. 388 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:27,351 You just have to come see for yourselves." 389 00:21:27,419 --> 00:21:30,021 [ Indistinct chatter ] 390 00:21:34,893 --> 00:21:35,993 Elkins: Okay, man. I'm here. 391 00:21:36,061 --> 00:21:37,161 Alright. 392 00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:39,997 Well, I looked at it for only a few moments myself. 393 00:21:40,065 --> 00:21:44,135 I zoomed in to about this level, and I just went, "holy crap." 394 00:21:44,202 --> 00:21:46,237 What looks like a rectangular structure. 395 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,705 Yeah, look at this. Look at that. 396 00:21:47,773 --> 00:21:49,540 I mean, there's two perfectly linear lines, 397 00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:52,543 and that's the right angle, and other stuff inside there. 398 00:21:52,611 --> 00:21:55,179 It's not just one right angle. It is a whole square. 399 00:21:55,247 --> 00:21:56,947 Well, it's open on one side, you can't tell -- 400 00:21:57,015 --> 00:21:58,783 But these are two perfect right angles. 401 00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:00,885 Come on. That does not look natural. 402 00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:02,620 I mean, I suppose it could happen, but... 403 00:22:02,688 --> 00:22:03,487 It's a site. 404 00:22:03,555 --> 00:22:04,822 You can see that there's extensive 405 00:22:04,889 --> 00:22:07,024 landscape modification, as, you know -- 406 00:22:07,092 --> 00:22:09,327 Here, and it's been leveled out here. 407 00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:12,396 This has been leveled out. There is a repetition. 408 00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:16,434 This feature is similar to that feature, this wall to that wall. 409 00:22:16,501 --> 00:22:18,869 These are, you know, two similar structures. 410 00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:20,871 Right. Here's another -- Looks like another wall here, 411 00:22:20,972 --> 00:22:24,809 and there's another remnants of a square-type situation there. 412 00:22:24,876 --> 00:22:26,844 And then, look, there's -- It seems to me 413 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:29,180 there's terracing on here. Those are ruins. 414 00:22:29,247 --> 00:22:31,749 Doug Preston went on record saying it's ruins. 415 00:22:31,817 --> 00:22:33,551 I've had to deal with too many scientists 416 00:22:33,585 --> 00:22:34,785 and I've had too many disappointments, 417 00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:37,421 so I will just say the odds are extremely high 418 00:22:37,456 --> 00:22:39,523 that this is some of what we're looking for. 419 00:22:39,591 --> 00:22:40,758 Fernandez-Diaz: I have a 3-d model. 420 00:22:40,826 --> 00:22:42,159 Preston: An average person looking at it 421 00:22:42,227 --> 00:22:44,261 would see that it was not normal, 422 00:22:44,329 --> 00:22:46,197 but they wouldn't see all the details. 423 00:22:46,298 --> 00:22:47,865 The way these ridges have been flattened. 424 00:22:47,966 --> 00:22:50,101 You see these ridges and these ridges have been flattened, 425 00:22:50,135 --> 00:22:52,670 and that's a very unusual feature in this landscape. 426 00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:56,707 Benenson: I'm kind of... Elkins: Blown away? 427 00:22:56,775 --> 00:22:58,809 Yeah, that's the word. Blown away. 428 00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:04,382 I think we have opportunities that didn't exist 24 hours ago, 429 00:23:04,449 --> 00:23:07,785 and we, it's up to us and others to figure out 430 00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:11,889 how to make the best of this very interesting discovery. 431 00:23:11,957 --> 00:23:14,592 I was thinking, "this is gonna be a very funny article. 432 00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:16,327 I can write a hilarious story 433 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:20,531 about this totally failed search for this lost city. 434 00:23:20,565 --> 00:23:22,433 I can turn this around, as a journalist. 435 00:23:22,501 --> 00:23:25,236 I can make this something worth writing about." 436 00:23:25,303 --> 00:23:27,805 But then when they really found the lost city -- 437 00:23:27,873 --> 00:23:30,941 God, I was sending an email to the new yorker the next day. 438 00:23:31,009 --> 00:23:32,076 ♪ 439 00:23:36,815 --> 00:23:38,616 ♪ 440 00:23:38,683 --> 00:23:41,252 Well, I looked at it for only a few moments myself. 441 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:45,389 I zoomed in to about this level, and I just went, "holy crap." 442 00:23:45,457 --> 00:23:47,992 What looks like a rectangular structure. 443 00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:48,926 Yeah, those are ruins. 444 00:23:48,993 --> 00:23:56,993 ♪ 445 00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:04,175 Elkins: Shortly after we returned from the lidar mission, 446 00:24:04,242 --> 00:24:06,343 Doug Preston published an extensive article 447 00:24:06,411 --> 00:24:08,312 in new yorker magazine about it. 448 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:12,049 And even though we knew that the lidar definitely showed 449 00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:16,053 the remnants of an ancient city, there was a backlash. 450 00:24:16,121 --> 00:24:18,689 Honestly, I don't think that any archeologists were concerned 451 00:24:18,757 --> 00:24:21,859 about the lidar expedition, specifically. 452 00:24:21,927 --> 00:24:25,262 I think the use of lidar for exploration is a wonderful idea. 453 00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:28,699 The concern became about how it was presented in the media. 454 00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:31,202 The creation of a narrative is very, very important -- 455 00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:32,870 But by simply giving the article 456 00:24:32,938 --> 00:24:35,139 the title "the El dorado machine," 457 00:24:35,207 --> 00:24:38,209 it invoked El dorado, the lost city of gold, 458 00:24:38,276 --> 00:24:41,979 and implied that this high technology 459 00:24:42,047 --> 00:24:44,748 was being used to discover gold, 460 00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:48,819 when in fact that was not the case, I hope. 461 00:24:48,887 --> 00:24:50,354 Anyone can write an adventure story. 462 00:24:50,422 --> 00:24:51,789 We have no objection to that. 463 00:24:51,857 --> 00:24:54,558 But it's being portrayed as archeology, and it's not. 464 00:24:54,626 --> 00:24:57,628 Preston: Rosemary Joyce of the university of California at Berkeley, 465 00:24:57,696 --> 00:25:00,931 who is a very distinguished Honduran expert, 466 00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:04,001 immediately condemned the expedition 467 00:25:04,069 --> 00:25:06,070 on her blog and everywhere else. 468 00:25:06,137 --> 00:25:08,305 She seemed to think that the expedition had claimed 469 00:25:08,373 --> 00:25:10,407 that they had found Ciudad blanca, 470 00:25:10,475 --> 00:25:13,043 and they really hadn't made that claim. 471 00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:14,712 But the Honduran press all said, 472 00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:16,480 "oh, Ciudad Blanca's been found." 473 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:20,851 [ Speaking in Spanish ] 474 00:25:26,725 --> 00:25:29,326 So I called her up, and she was absolutely furious. 475 00:25:29,394 --> 00:25:33,731 I mean, she was not soft-spoken on the phone. 476 00:25:33,798 --> 00:25:35,466 And she says, you know, "this is an outrage. 477 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,101 These people are adventurers. 478 00:25:37,168 --> 00:25:38,836 There's no archeologist involved." 479 00:25:38,904 --> 00:25:41,539 I said, "well, let me send you an image from t1." 480 00:25:41,606 --> 00:25:44,575 And she said, "well, you can send it to me, 481 00:25:44,643 --> 00:25:46,043 but I may not call you back." 482 00:25:46,111 --> 00:25:48,712 Well, I sent it to her, and she called me back immediately, 483 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:50,214 and she was -- You know, she said, 484 00:25:50,282 --> 00:25:55,719 "this is quite an archeological site. It's not a small one. 485 00:25:55,787 --> 00:25:59,023 I can see, you know, a public space par excellence. 486 00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:02,660 I can see, you know, potential Mesoamerican ball court 487 00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:04,495 and all this and that -- House mounds." 488 00:26:04,529 --> 00:26:06,196 But then she ended the phone call 489 00:26:06,264 --> 00:26:08,065 with another blast at the expedition. 490 00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:10,534 We don't go out looking for treasure anymore. 491 00:26:10,602 --> 00:26:11,969 We go out looking for knowledge. 492 00:26:12,037 --> 00:26:14,572 We didn't have any archeologists on the lidar mission at all, 493 00:26:14,639 --> 00:26:16,874 'cause we never went on the ground. We didn't need them. 494 00:26:16,942 --> 00:26:18,342 I think explorers do run the risk of 495 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:20,878 being identified as treasure hunters. 496 00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:23,247 And what is treasure hunting? 497 00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:26,884 Well, it's finding something for financial gain 498 00:26:26,952 --> 00:26:29,587 rather than for advancing scientific knowledge. 499 00:26:29,654 --> 00:26:33,958 Oh, just a plain old filmmaker? How can they make a discovery? 500 00:26:34,025 --> 00:26:35,359 Hate to say it, but that's really, 501 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:36,961 in my opinion, what it was. 502 00:26:37,028 --> 00:26:43,367 ♪ 503 00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:45,369 Preston: Honduras is a country that's had 504 00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:46,804 a long and troubled history, 505 00:26:46,871 --> 00:26:49,974 from the banana republic, time up to the present day. 506 00:26:50,041 --> 00:26:58,041 ♪ 507 00:27:00,085 --> 00:27:03,954 In the late 1990s, anti-drug policies in Colombia 508 00:27:04,022 --> 00:27:07,157 shifted the major cocaine trafficking routes 509 00:27:07,225 --> 00:27:10,728 through Honduras, and specifically through mosquitia. 510 00:27:31,383 --> 00:27:35,819 Could be another reason why he listen to me and trust me, 511 00:27:35,887 --> 00:27:42,059 because I am from Honduras, and I want the best for my country, 512 00:27:42,127 --> 00:27:45,396 and it will give a huge help to the country. 513 00:27:45,463 --> 00:27:50,668 ♪ 514 00:27:50,735 --> 00:27:52,436 Preston: After a considerable period of time 515 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,938 analyzing the lidar data we'd collected, 516 00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:56,573 we knew we needed to go in on the ground 517 00:27:56,641 --> 00:27:58,742 to verify what was there. 518 00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:00,711 Archeologists call this "ground truthing," 519 00:28:00,779 --> 00:28:02,446 and it took three years to organize 520 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:04,748 this next phase of the expedition. 521 00:28:04,816 --> 00:28:07,251 Woody, what I I need to understand 522 00:28:07,285 --> 00:28:10,821 is how you're going to be handling both the camp 523 00:28:10,889 --> 00:28:12,956 and us getting in and out. 524 00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:28,605 We've heard that the military helicopters 525 00:28:28,673 --> 00:28:30,874 don't want to carry us in. 526 00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:33,477 The question is, in an emergency, 527 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,479 if they can carry Americans out. 528 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,158 Elkins: So now we just needed to fly a helicopter 2,000 miles 529 00:28:48,193 --> 00:28:50,294 from Albuquerque to Honduras. 530 00:28:50,361 --> 00:28:53,263 Shier: Here we are in cold and windy Albuquerque. 531 00:28:53,331 --> 00:28:55,899 Myles, the pilot, and Jeff, the mechanic, 532 00:28:55,967 --> 00:28:57,735 heading down to participate 533 00:28:57,802 --> 00:29:01,271 in this amazing project in the jungles of Honduras. 534 00:29:01,339 --> 00:29:06,376 ♪ 535 00:29:06,444 --> 00:29:09,379 Bringing people in and out to the site -- 536 00:29:09,447 --> 00:29:11,715 The safety of that is our concern. 537 00:29:11,783 --> 00:29:16,520 That's the direction we're heading. That's southeast. 538 00:29:16,554 --> 00:29:19,656 Elsing: We've allowed for between 5 and 6 days to get down. 539 00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:21,692 They'll land, their gear will come in, 540 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,994 and then they'll pick a site for me, 541 00:29:24,062 --> 00:29:27,464 and that'll be our helipad, our landing site. 542 00:29:27,532 --> 00:29:29,233 Then we hover over the spot, 543 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,935 and the men repel down one at a time. 544 00:29:32,003 --> 00:29:35,539 A big exploration involving a lot of people dedicated to it, 545 00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:37,808 assistance from government... 546 00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:40,210 When Steve talked about this project, you know -- 547 00:29:40,278 --> 00:29:43,013 You give it a maybe 1 in 10 chance of working out, 548 00:29:43,081 --> 00:29:47,084 and here he is, 20 years later, and the guy's making it happen. 549 00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:48,752 ♪ 550 00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:01,064 Preston: After a considerable period of time 551 00:30:01,099 --> 00:30:03,534 analyzing the lidar data we'd collected, 552 00:30:03,601 --> 00:30:05,169 we knew we needed to go in on the ground 553 00:30:05,236 --> 00:30:07,337 to verify what was there. 554 00:30:07,405 --> 00:30:09,306 Archeologists call this "ground truthing," 555 00:30:09,374 --> 00:30:11,041 and it took three years to organize 556 00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:13,010 this next phase of the expedition. 557 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:21,985 Elkins: After securing the team and the financing, 558 00:30:22,053 --> 00:30:23,554 we have 10 days to find something 559 00:30:23,621 --> 00:30:25,155 before the money runs out. 560 00:30:25,223 --> 00:30:33,096 ♪ 561 00:30:33,164 --> 00:30:37,267 Sadly, my longtime friend and fixer, Bruce heinicke, 562 00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:41,505 passed away before our 2015 trip, 563 00:30:41,573 --> 00:30:43,607 but I knew he was there in spirit. 564 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:51,675 ♪ 565 00:30:52,050 --> 00:31:00,050 ♪ 566 00:31:03,261 --> 00:31:04,661 [ Car horns honk ] 567 00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:06,163 Matheson: I think I've pretty much got 'round to everybody 568 00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:07,464 to introduce myself -- spud. 569 00:31:07,531 --> 00:31:09,233 Obviously, I'm working alongside Stevie, 570 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:10,734 or "Sully," as he's known. 571 00:31:10,802 --> 00:31:14,838 We've got Woody sat next to him, from the task team. 572 00:31:14,906 --> 00:31:17,341 The risk is very minimal here right now, okay? 573 00:31:17,408 --> 00:31:20,677 It's more the fact that we are exposed to the environment, 574 00:31:20,745 --> 00:31:22,279 as opposed to anything else right now, 575 00:31:22,347 --> 00:31:24,948 purely because of what we're here to do -- 576 00:31:25,016 --> 00:31:26,617 Because when a big group of us turn up, 577 00:31:26,684 --> 00:31:28,518 straight away, we are sort of under the spotlight. 578 00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:30,554 "Who are these guys? What are they here for?" 579 00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:31,955 Et cetera, et cetera. 580 00:31:32,023 --> 00:31:35,225 So right now, guys, it's just keeping it in the shadows. 581 00:31:35,293 --> 00:31:43,293 ♪ 582 00:31:45,236 --> 00:31:46,536 Preston: We're headed to Catacamas, 583 00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:49,106 which was to be our base of operations, 584 00:31:49,173 --> 00:31:51,775 which is kind of halfway across the country 585 00:31:51,843 --> 00:31:54,044 through very dangerous areas, actually, 586 00:31:54,112 --> 00:31:57,147 including areas controlled by drug cartels. 587 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:02,152 The crew includes anthropologists, archeologists, 588 00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:04,121 filmmakers, journalists, 589 00:32:04,188 --> 00:32:07,624 so there are a lot of logistics involved in our mission, 590 00:32:07,692 --> 00:32:11,261 not to mention ensuring our personal safety. 591 00:32:11,329 --> 00:32:12,963 Elkins: It's amazing. We got helicopters. 592 00:32:13,030 --> 00:32:14,798 We got armed soldiers. 593 00:32:14,832 --> 00:32:17,534 We got the whole -- it's just -- 594 00:32:17,568 --> 00:32:18,969 It's like a dream. 595 00:32:19,037 --> 00:32:25,976 ♪ 596 00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:28,312 Preston: Most Hondurans believe that the white city, 597 00:32:28,379 --> 00:32:32,215 Ciudad blanca, is a place of great riches and treasure, 598 00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:34,551 so we would have been marked as treasure hunters, 599 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:37,688 maybe coming to steal Honduras's cultural patrimony. 600 00:32:37,722 --> 00:32:39,289 Who knows what kind of ideas 601 00:32:39,357 --> 00:32:41,525 it might have caused in people's minds? 602 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:47,998 I was talking to a businessman in Catacamas 603 00:32:48,065 --> 00:32:50,334 who said that the cost of a hit, 604 00:32:50,401 --> 00:32:54,438 a professional killing, in Catacamas, is $25. 605 00:32:54,505 --> 00:33:02,505 ♪ 606 00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:12,349 ♪ 607 00:33:14,192 --> 00:33:22,192 ♪ 608 00:33:23,968 --> 00:33:31,968 ♪ 609 00:33:33,811 --> 00:33:41,811 ♪ 610 00:33:43,654 --> 00:33:47,257 Elsing: Even though the site is only 60 miles from civilization, 611 00:33:47,324 --> 00:33:49,426 you can't get to it by land. 612 00:33:49,494 --> 00:33:51,495 You need to fly in, because the terrain 613 00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:53,563 is extraordinarily difficult. 614 00:33:53,631 --> 00:33:56,333 It is really tough -- it's one of the toughest there is. 615 00:33:56,401 --> 00:33:59,669 It's just too damn hard to go in there on foot. 616 00:33:59,737 --> 00:34:01,471 There's actually one potential landing zone 617 00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:03,173 right in the middle of the place you want to go, 618 00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:05,709 but I'm not sure that the trees are spaced far enough apart 619 00:34:05,777 --> 00:34:07,444 from the helicopter. 620 00:34:07,512 --> 00:34:11,214 It could be rather dicey. 621 00:35:00,665 --> 00:35:01,832 Preston: We're headed to Catacamas, 622 00:35:01,866 --> 00:35:04,301 which was to be our base of operations, 623 00:35:04,368 --> 00:35:06,970 which is kind of halfway across the country 624 00:35:07,038 --> 00:35:09,239 through very dangerous areas, actually, 625 00:35:09,307 --> 00:35:12,342 including areas controlled by drug cartels. 626 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:17,147 The crew includes anthropologists, archeologists, 627 00:35:17,248 --> 00:35:19,149 filmmakers, journalists, 628 00:35:19,217 --> 00:35:22,652 so there are a lot of logistics involved in our mission, 629 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,522 not to mention ensuring our personal safety. 630 00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:31,461 Preston: While Steve was doing a flyover 631 00:35:31,529 --> 00:35:33,263 to find a safe landing site, 632 00:35:33,331 --> 00:35:35,765 our head archeologist Chris Fisher met with 633 00:35:35,833 --> 00:35:39,202 his Honduran counterpart, Oscar Cruz, to make a plan. 634 00:35:59,257 --> 00:36:01,758 Fisher: What I'm showing Oscar are hill shapes 635 00:36:01,792 --> 00:36:04,728 that we've generated that accentuates mounds 636 00:36:04,795 --> 00:36:06,630 and other human features. 637 00:36:06,697 --> 00:36:10,333 And it's the basic way of illustrating lidar data, 638 00:36:10,401 --> 00:36:13,270 visualizing it and examining it. 639 00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:16,039 It basically shows us house foundations, 640 00:36:16,107 --> 00:36:20,410 pyramids, plazas, man-made features on the ground 641 00:36:20,478 --> 00:36:21,878 that we can investigate. 642 00:36:21,946 --> 00:36:29,946 ♪ 643 00:36:30,087 --> 00:36:38,087 ♪ 644 00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:40,297 9 times out of 10, when you go into these environments, 645 00:36:40,364 --> 00:36:43,333 you'll see nothing, because when you do go in there, 646 00:36:43,401 --> 00:36:45,769 we are not on the menu, alright? 647 00:36:45,836 --> 00:36:47,237 It thinks it's on the menu, 648 00:36:47,338 --> 00:36:50,440 and when you go into the place, everything just goes -- [gasps]. 649 00:36:50,508 --> 00:36:53,843 You won't see things initially, but it is there. 650 00:36:53,911 --> 00:36:55,445 If you go looking for it, however, 651 00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:58,181 you will find it at the most inopportune times. 652 00:36:58,249 --> 00:37:00,951 The snakes -- the biggest snake of concern 653 00:37:01,018 --> 00:37:02,485 out there is the fer-de-Lance. 654 00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:04,921 He is a nasty thing. 655 00:37:04,989 --> 00:37:09,292 They're predominantly nocturnal and they tend to hunt 656 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,595 around streams and rivers and what have you. 657 00:37:11,662 --> 00:37:13,863 You've got to tune in mentally right now 658 00:37:13,931 --> 00:37:16,533 what you're about to do, 'cause it's not gonna be easy, 659 00:37:16,601 --> 00:37:19,002 and it's not a walk in the park to see this business. 660 00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,571 It's not a day trip. It's a serious job, guys. 661 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,274 Yeah, things go wrong when people don't listen. 662 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:48,965 There are no guidebooks. 663 00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:51,401 There's no one you can ask "what's it like?" 664 00:37:51,469 --> 00:37:52,969 This completely unknown valley 665 00:37:53,037 --> 00:37:57,741 that human beings have not seen in 500 years, probably. 666 00:37:57,808 --> 00:38:00,443 And what were we going to find there? 667 00:38:00,511 --> 00:38:03,513 And to me, that was both frightening and very exciting, 668 00:38:03,581 --> 00:38:04,648 to be the first. 669 00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:09,085 ♪ 670 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,087 The landing zone, which had just been cleared 671 00:38:11,155 --> 00:38:14,424 hours before by this s.A.S. Team -- 672 00:38:14,492 --> 00:38:22,265 ♪ 673 00:38:22,333 --> 00:38:25,402 Elkins: I'm actually standing on this ground 674 00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:27,771 that I've been looking at from satellites 675 00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:30,607 and from aerial photographs and from lidar for years. 676 00:38:30,675 --> 00:38:32,442 It was almost overwhelming. 677 00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:39,516 ♪ 678 00:38:39,583 --> 00:38:41,551 [ Insects chirping ] 679 00:38:41,618 --> 00:38:46,690 ♪ 680 00:38:46,757 --> 00:38:49,726 [ Birds chirping ] 681 00:38:49,794 --> 00:38:51,828 [ Water sploshing ] 682 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:56,333 [ Chopping ] 683 00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:05,942 [ Monkey hooting ] 684 00:39:21,726 --> 00:39:23,293 Start making it up towards that area 685 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:26,129 where Sully and Woody are working right now. 686 00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:29,232 They're basically preparing, like, a base camp area for us. 687 00:39:29,266 --> 00:39:33,837 So let's just slowly hump and dump, guys. 688 00:39:33,904 --> 00:39:36,973 [ Rustling ] 689 00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:38,875 Elkins: I would like to go to the mound -- 690 00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:41,144 What we think is the pyramid, the two things together -- 691 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:42,712 As soon as possible, to see. 692 00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:43,847 Fisher: That's down that way. 693 00:39:43,914 --> 00:39:45,215 Isn't it on the other side of the river? 694 00:39:45,282 --> 00:39:46,750 Other side of the river are all the big plazas. 695 00:39:46,817 --> 00:39:47,717 Yeah. 696 00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:48,952 Two mounds together is down that way. 697 00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:50,387 Yeah, but that was just what you saw. 698 00:39:50,454 --> 00:39:51,521 We're talking about -- 699 00:39:51,555 --> 00:39:53,423 Preston: Steve's instincts have gotten us this far, 700 00:39:53,491 --> 00:39:56,259 but now we have 10 Ph.D. scientists 701 00:39:56,327 --> 00:39:58,261 with a certain way of doing things, 702 00:39:58,329 --> 00:40:00,363 and that's a big adjustment. 703 00:40:00,431 --> 00:40:02,031 I just want to walk down the entire thing, 704 00:40:02,099 --> 00:40:04,134 because I don't want to be in a situation 705 00:40:04,201 --> 00:40:07,203 where we immediately go there, focus all our work down there, 706 00:40:07,271 --> 00:40:08,938 and all of a sudden we get right down there -- 707 00:40:09,006 --> 00:40:11,207 Which is less than a kilometer away -- 708 00:40:11,275 --> 00:40:12,642 And all of a sudden we're like, "holy [bleep]." 709 00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:14,043 Preston: Do we want to do that today, then? 710 00:40:14,111 --> 00:40:16,079 I'd love to do it today, but don't think it's going to happen 711 00:40:16,147 --> 00:40:17,947 because I know these guys have a lot of stuff to do, 712 00:40:18,015 --> 00:40:21,084 setting things up and helicopter rides coming in. 713 00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:22,819 I don't think it's gonna happen today. 714 00:40:22,887 --> 00:40:24,621 [ Thunder rumbles ] 715 00:40:26,957 --> 00:40:29,225 Preston: We were very eager when we arrived, 716 00:40:29,293 --> 00:40:30,827 but we were totally exhausted. 717 00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:36,966 And we had to get everything prepped before nightfall, 718 00:40:37,034 --> 00:40:41,204 because the jungle at night turns into a very different 719 00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:44,240 and far more dangerous place. 720 00:40:44,308 --> 00:40:46,176 The animals come out. 721 00:40:46,243 --> 00:40:47,977 We could hear them purring as they wandered 722 00:40:48,045 --> 00:40:54,984 among our tents at night, and the bugs start to bite. 723 00:40:55,052 --> 00:40:59,255 So we're sitting in camp, and Woody is telling stories 724 00:40:59,323 --> 00:41:01,491 and I'm thinking to myself, "oh, my god, 725 00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:03,793 I got to write some of these stories down." 726 00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:08,064 And I had to go back through the jungle 727 00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:10,967 in the darkness to my camp to get my notebook. 728 00:41:11,035 --> 00:41:16,206 ♪ 729 00:41:16,273 --> 00:41:19,342 And I'm coming back and I somehow got off the trail... 730 00:41:20,544 --> 00:41:21,644 a moment of panic, 731 00:41:21,712 --> 00:41:23,513 and finally I found Juan Carlos' hammock, 732 00:41:23,581 --> 00:41:25,982 and I'm thinking, "thank god I didn't get lost." 733 00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:28,818 And my flashlight, I'm sweeping it around, 734 00:41:28,886 --> 00:41:32,889 and all of a sudden, there's this gigantic snake. 735 00:41:32,957 --> 00:41:34,858 So I backed up, and I said, 736 00:41:34,925 --> 00:41:38,695 "hey, guys, there is a really big snake over here." 737 00:41:38,762 --> 00:41:41,631 And Woody said, "keep your light on it. We're coming." 738 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:43,166 And their flashlights -- 739 00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:46,035 Woody says, "okay, everyone, put your lights on the snake. 740 00:41:46,070 --> 00:41:47,337 I'm gonna move it." 741 00:41:47,404 --> 00:41:49,906 He pins the snake like this, the body of the snake, 742 00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:52,709 and it unfurls, 743 00:41:52,776 --> 00:41:56,012 and it is huge, and it is striking everywhere, 744 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,114 and it is spraying venom. 745 00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:00,416 He seizes the head with his hand, 746 00:42:00,484 --> 00:42:02,252 took out his knife and cut off its head. 747 00:42:10,594 --> 00:42:13,663 And I'm coming back and I somehow got off the trail... 748 00:42:14,865 --> 00:42:15,932 a moment of panic, 749 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,800 and finally I found Juan Carlos' hammock, 750 00:42:17,868 --> 00:42:20,270 and I'm thinking, "thank god I didn't get lost." 751 00:42:20,337 --> 00:42:23,106 And my flashlight, I'm sweeping it around, 752 00:42:23,173 --> 00:42:27,176 and all of a sudden, there's this gigantic snake. 753 00:42:27,244 --> 00:42:29,145 So I backed up, and I said, 754 00:42:29,179 --> 00:42:32,982 "hey, guys, there is a really big snake over here." 755 00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:35,919 And Woody said, "keep your light on it. We're coming." 756 00:42:35,986 --> 00:42:37,487 And their flashlights -- 757 00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:40,356 Woody says, "okay, everyone, put your lights on the snake. 758 00:42:40,424 --> 00:42:41,658 I'm gonna move it." 759 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,227 He pins the snake like this, the body of the snake, 760 00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:47,030 and it unfurls, 761 00:42:47,097 --> 00:42:50,300 and it is huge, and it is striking everywhere, 762 00:42:50,367 --> 00:42:52,402 and it is spraying venom. 763 00:42:52,469 --> 00:42:54,704 He seizes the head with his hand, 764 00:42:54,772 --> 00:42:56,439 took out his knife and cut off its head. 765 00:42:56,507 --> 00:42:57,840 Man: I think he's listening. 766 00:43:00,344 --> 00:43:03,479 This snake has fangs that are over an inch long. 767 00:43:28,038 --> 00:43:31,341 I felt, "oh, god, what do we do?" 768 00:43:31,408 --> 00:43:34,210 We human beings come into this virgin area, 769 00:43:34,244 --> 00:43:36,179 this totally perfect area, 770 00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:40,216 and the first thing we do is kill that snake. 771 00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:41,851 It was self-defense, 772 00:43:41,919 --> 00:43:45,555 but it feels like such a violation. 773 00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:52,128 ♪ 774 00:43:52,196 --> 00:43:56,866 ♪ 775 00:43:56,934 --> 00:44:02,238 Em? Hey, listen, don't dispatch anybody to this location 776 00:44:02,306 --> 00:44:03,740 until I call you back to let me know 777 00:44:03,807 --> 00:44:05,775 that the mist has cleared. 778 00:44:05,843 --> 00:44:11,147 Everybody, and I mean everybody, must bring their snake gaiters. 779 00:44:22,059 --> 00:44:23,393 Elkins: I have nerve damage in my left leg, 780 00:44:23,427 --> 00:44:24,861 and it's difficult for me to get around, 781 00:44:24,928 --> 00:44:27,397 so I'm kind of disappointed that I couldn't join 782 00:44:27,464 --> 00:44:32,568 this first walk, 'cause I'd slow everybody up. 783 00:44:32,636 --> 00:44:39,242 ♪ 784 00:44:39,309 --> 00:44:41,244 Cruz: We'll find something right here. 785 00:44:41,311 --> 00:44:47,850 ♪ 786 00:44:47,918 --> 00:44:54,457 ♪ 787 00:44:54,525 --> 00:45:01,030 ♪ 788 00:45:01,098 --> 00:45:07,603 ♪ 789 00:45:07,671 --> 00:45:10,873 Preston: Chris had a very sophisticated GPS unit 790 00:45:10,941 --> 00:45:13,376 which had downloaded the lidar maps, 791 00:45:13,444 --> 00:45:16,212 and it showed where he was on those lidar maps. 792 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,580 Fisher: Trimble geo 7x. 793 00:45:17,648 --> 00:45:20,049 They're top-of-the-line handheld survey instruments. 794 00:45:20,117 --> 00:45:21,317 So it shows you in real time 795 00:45:21,351 --> 00:45:22,785 where you are and what's on there. 796 00:45:22,853 --> 00:45:25,722 You can also trace and digitize your features on here. 797 00:45:25,789 --> 00:45:28,758 You can collect points. You can plot artifacts. 798 00:45:28,826 --> 00:45:30,593 So let's go up on top of this one 799 00:45:30,661 --> 00:45:32,462 and work our way back down that way. 800 00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:36,632 So it shows you in real time where you are. 801 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:39,068 It has the GPS receiver antenna. 802 00:45:39,136 --> 00:45:41,537 It has a built-in, very sophisticated barometer, 803 00:45:41,605 --> 00:45:45,074 corrective satellites, and a really nice math engine. 804 00:45:45,142 --> 00:45:47,243 All of that stuff together means that once we're out here 805 00:45:47,311 --> 00:45:48,544 and we get a signal, 806 00:45:48,612 --> 00:45:51,647 you can walk for, I think, over a kilometer. 807 00:45:51,715 --> 00:45:53,116 [ Device blips ] Right now, I'm getting accuracy 808 00:45:53,183 --> 00:45:54,650 of 70 centimeters or so. 809 00:45:54,718 --> 00:45:57,854 Alright, let me look over this edge here. 810 00:45:57,921 --> 00:46:05,921 ♪ 811 00:46:06,163 --> 00:46:07,263 [ Device blipping ] 812 00:46:07,331 --> 00:46:12,835 ♪ 813 00:46:12,903 --> 00:46:15,104 This whole thing was paved. 814 00:46:15,172 --> 00:46:17,673 It's all covered in sediment. 815 00:46:17,741 --> 00:46:21,911 That whole surface you're walking on was paved, Doug. 816 00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:24,814 Preston: Oh, I see, yeah. I see it. I see them. 817 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:31,087 Preston: Standing at the base of the pyramid 818 00:46:31,155 --> 00:46:34,490 and being utterly unable to tell that there was a pyramid there, 819 00:46:34,558 --> 00:46:35,691 or that you were anywhere but 820 00:46:35,759 --> 00:46:37,894 in the densest jungle -- It was weird. 821 00:46:37,961 --> 00:46:41,631 I was thinking, "god, is this all we're gonna be able to see?" 822 00:46:41,698 --> 00:46:49,698 ♪ 823 00:46:50,174 --> 00:46:51,641 I mean, there was clearly stuff there, 824 00:46:51,708 --> 00:46:53,309 but you really had to seek it out 825 00:46:53,377 --> 00:46:56,679 and then you could only see a tiny piece of it. 826 00:46:56,747 --> 00:46:58,915 Fisher: There's no other rock up here, right? 827 00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:00,850 It's been shaped into a square pattern, 828 00:47:00,918 --> 00:47:02,952 so it's basically like a block or a brick. 829 00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:06,155 And it was hauled up here and then placed 830 00:47:06,223 --> 00:47:08,958 on top of this, on top of this earth. 831 00:47:09,026 --> 00:47:12,595 They're delimiting the edges of plazas and structures, 832 00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:14,130 and they're basically like foundations 833 00:47:14,198 --> 00:47:15,231 or construction stone. 834 00:47:15,265 --> 00:47:16,632 I think it's pretty awesome. 835 00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:22,038 We have to check all of them for petroglyphs or anything else. 836 00:47:22,105 --> 00:47:23,539 It's really nice to find these here. 837 00:47:23,607 --> 00:47:25,541 It's amazing confirmation of what 838 00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:27,910 we've been thinking and talking about. 839 00:47:27,978 --> 00:47:33,549 ♪ 840 00:47:33,617 --> 00:47:39,188 ♪ 841 00:47:39,256 --> 00:47:40,623 Preston: Where the canyon cut through, 842 00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:43,059 you could see where it would have been paved the stone. 843 00:47:43,126 --> 00:47:44,594 It's really hard to -- 844 00:47:44,661 --> 00:47:46,095 These are covered up. We've got to cut it away. 845 00:47:46,163 --> 00:47:47,263 They're completely covered. 846 00:47:47,331 --> 00:47:50,132 Here's another stone, but they have to be uncovered, 847 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,004 and then Chris is gonna GPS each one of them to Mark them 848 00:47:55,072 --> 00:47:57,874 and then map them onto the lidar map, 849 00:47:57,941 --> 00:47:59,442 and then we'll see where they are. 850 00:47:59,509 --> 00:48:02,345 These are the stones. They're big. They're shaped. 851 00:48:02,412 --> 00:48:05,982 You can see packing -- Can you zoom in? 852 00:48:06,049 --> 00:48:08,317 Did you go to the top? 853 00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:09,452 'Cause in the lidar, it showed 854 00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:11,187 what looked like a rectangle on the top. 855 00:48:17,027 --> 00:48:18,728 Well, maybe if we clear the brush, we could see it. 856 00:48:20,297 --> 00:48:22,064 What about the Plaza itself? 857 00:48:22,132 --> 00:48:24,567 We only got to one Plaza, Steve, we didn't even -- 858 00:48:24,635 --> 00:48:26,702 Did you go to the one next to the pyramid? 859 00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:27,803 The big one? Mm-hmm. 860 00:48:27,871 --> 00:48:29,705 But we didn't find any ceramics at all, 861 00:48:29,773 --> 00:48:31,307 so who the hell knows? 862 00:48:31,375 --> 00:48:34,210 And we're not gonna see any in that cover. 863 00:48:34,278 --> 00:48:37,780 So on a scale of your expectations, 864 00:48:37,814 --> 00:48:40,182 how would you rate it? 865 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:42,585 It feels bigger in person. 866 00:48:42,653 --> 00:48:46,122 I think we've only seen one tenth of it so far, 867 00:48:46,156 --> 00:48:47,890 so I have to reserve my expectations 868 00:48:47,958 --> 00:48:49,025 until we see the rest of it. 869 00:48:49,092 --> 00:48:50,793 My confidence level's at 80 percent. 870 00:48:56,466 --> 00:48:57,833 I guess we'll see. 871 00:49:07,744 --> 00:49:15,744 ♪ 872 00:49:17,587 --> 00:49:18,721 [ Groaning ] 873 00:49:18,789 --> 00:49:23,326 ♪ 874 00:49:23,393 --> 00:49:25,127 That'll warm you up. 875 00:49:25,162 --> 00:49:26,595 [ Chuckles ] I'm awake now. 876 00:49:26,663 --> 00:49:29,065 Fisher: That's the pyramid, right there in front of you. 877 00:49:29,099 --> 00:49:30,166 Where is the pyramid? 878 00:49:30,233 --> 00:49:31,867 Right there. You're looking at it. 879 00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:35,338 A big lump. 880 00:49:35,405 --> 00:49:39,008 Can't say I see a whole lot from here. 881 00:49:39,076 --> 00:49:41,177 That's what it is. That's a pyramid. 882 00:49:41,244 --> 00:49:42,244 It's made out of earth. 883 00:49:42,312 --> 00:49:44,613 Well, that's probably the base. 884 00:49:44,681 --> 00:49:47,583 I mean, how many years has this been in decay, 885 00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:50,586 and all this debris is piled up on top? 886 00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:53,389 Preston: You want to have that big moment where you suddenly 887 00:49:53,457 --> 00:49:55,124 see the city through the trees, 888 00:49:55,192 --> 00:49:58,861 but visually, it's very anticlimactic. 889 00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:02,031 Without the lidar data, we would have had no idea 890 00:50:02,065 --> 00:50:04,567 that we were standing on a temple site, 891 00:50:04,634 --> 00:50:07,703 but the lidar could see the contours of the city 892 00:50:07,771 --> 00:50:10,072 extending deep into the jungle, 893 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:14,944 so it becomes easier to imagine what might have once been here. 894 00:50:15,045 --> 00:50:18,681 That these mounds of earth are covering crumbled walls 895 00:50:18,748 --> 00:50:22,718 where houses and majestic temples once stood. 896 00:50:22,786 --> 00:50:28,124 It's all hidden by centuries of overgrowth. 897 00:50:28,191 --> 00:50:32,128 Excavating this area is at least a 20-year project. 898 00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:40,102 ♪ 899 00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:41,604 Fisher: We're standing right here. 900 00:50:41,671 --> 00:50:42,905 We're on that mountain. Okay, so... 901 00:50:42,973 --> 00:50:43,906 We're looking down this way, 902 00:50:43,974 --> 00:50:45,508 so you have a sunken Plaza, sunken Plaza. 903 00:50:45,575 --> 00:50:47,176 I don't know what that is, that connection. 904 00:50:47,243 --> 00:50:49,278 Preston: Steve, what do you want to do? Where do you want to go? 905 00:50:49,346 --> 00:50:51,047 What I would like to do, before you go wandering off, 906 00:50:51,114 --> 00:50:52,748 I'd like to go back up there and go down 907 00:50:52,816 --> 00:50:55,217 to what looks like that little promenade or something. 908 00:50:55,285 --> 00:50:57,520 Yeah. I'd like to just follow that for a little bit. 909 00:50:57,587 --> 00:50:59,622 Fisher: Okay. Remember, we have the ball court area over here 910 00:50:59,689 --> 00:51:01,390 which has not been explored. 911 00:51:01,458 --> 00:51:03,559 We could look in there for a marker as well. 912 00:51:03,627 --> 00:51:05,161 Okay, we haven't done that yet. 913 00:51:05,228 --> 00:51:06,362 How far is that? 914 00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:08,130 It's over there. Right there. You can see it. 915 00:51:08,198 --> 00:51:10,666 "Over there" is how far? 10 meters. 916 00:51:10,734 --> 00:51:12,368 Let's go do that first, then. 917 00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:13,769 Okay. 918 00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:18,908 ♪ 919 00:51:18,975 --> 00:51:23,412 Elkins: So after a while, you go, "okay, this all there is?" 920 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,047 I'm starting to fear that after 921 00:51:25,115 --> 00:51:27,783 all this time and money and effort, 922 00:51:27,818 --> 00:51:29,852 we'd have nothing to show for it. 923 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,289 And we're mapping everything we saw on the lidar. 924 00:51:33,356 --> 00:51:36,592 Problem is, they're pretty much invisible to your eye, 925 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:38,661 unless you're a trained archeologist. 926 00:51:38,728 --> 00:51:42,765 ♪ 927 00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:46,102 This is definitely hard stone, and this has been cut. 928 00:51:46,169 --> 00:51:49,305 Look how smooth this is, here. 929 00:51:49,372 --> 00:51:50,973 Maybe the other side has the monkey god. 930 00:51:51,041 --> 00:51:53,242 [ Chuckling ] 931 00:51:53,343 --> 00:51:55,811 Everything is covered in dirt and trees and vegetation. 932 00:51:55,879 --> 00:51:57,480 I didn't think we were gonna have anything we could 933 00:51:57,547 --> 00:52:00,349 actually show that would be exciting. 934 00:52:02,652 --> 00:52:03,953 Can't exactly take back 935 00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:06,222 a foundation of a pyramid with you. 936 00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:10,593 ♪ 937 00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:11,994 Elkins: Chris Fisher! 938 00:52:12,062 --> 00:52:13,095 Fisher: Look at these rocks! 939 00:52:15,198 --> 00:52:16,165 I mean, it's unbelievable. 940 00:52:16,233 --> 00:52:18,033 Those big, quartz rocks supporting it. 941 00:52:18,101 --> 00:52:19,401 This is like a table. 942 00:52:19,469 --> 00:52:22,004 It's got this really cool vein of quartz or something. 943 00:52:22,038 --> 00:52:23,572 Cruz: Can we scan a little bit more here? 944 00:52:27,277 --> 00:52:28,344 What did I tell you? 945 00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:32,148 Elkins: No, it didn't fall in this position. 946 00:52:32,215 --> 00:52:33,849 If you look underneath, there's quartz stones 947 00:52:33,917 --> 00:52:35,251 that are supporting this. 948 00:52:35,318 --> 00:52:37,887 Fisher: I don't know if the speculation about the quartz 949 00:52:37,954 --> 00:52:39,088 and the orientation and stuff, 950 00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:40,589 is something I'm that comfortable with. 951 00:52:40,657 --> 00:52:43,025 We don't know. We have no idea about it. 952 00:52:43,093 --> 00:52:44,727 Elkins: Well, that's the whole point. We're all guessing. 953 00:52:44,794 --> 00:52:46,762 We're going, "alright. This is an idea." 954 00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:48,097 No one knows for sure. 955 00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:49,765 There's been other examples 956 00:52:49,833 --> 00:52:52,001 of these kind of astronomical orientations. 957 00:52:52,068 --> 00:52:53,802 Possibly it is and possibly it isn't. 958 00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:56,238 But why wouldn't you want to discuss it? 959 00:52:56,306 --> 00:52:57,806 Why you want to say flat out, "no." 960 00:52:57,874 --> 00:52:59,675 Because it's not in place. 961 00:52:59,743 --> 00:53:02,344 It's just guessing. 962 00:53:02,412 --> 00:53:04,780 And by having a lot of multiple eyes look at it 963 00:53:04,848 --> 00:53:07,483 with reasonable expectations, you might find the answer. 964 00:53:07,551 --> 00:53:08,751 Okay. 965 00:53:08,818 --> 00:53:10,419 We're not gonna be able to get a lot of answers 966 00:53:10,487 --> 00:53:12,188 in the short time we're here, 967 00:53:12,255 --> 00:53:13,489 who knows? 968 00:53:13,557 --> 00:53:21,557 ♪ 969 00:53:23,733 --> 00:53:24,667 Cohen: Okay. 970 00:53:24,734 --> 00:53:32,734 ♪ 971 00:53:33,043 --> 00:53:34,376 Elkins: Well, we're walking back and forth 972 00:53:34,444 --> 00:53:37,346 in the same area several times, and we're heading back to camp 973 00:53:37,414 --> 00:53:39,215 towards the end of the afternoon, 974 00:53:39,282 --> 00:53:40,649 then all of a sudden... 975 00:53:40,717 --> 00:53:41,483 Fisher: See this? 976 00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:42,351 Gonzalez: There's a heap. 977 00:53:42,419 --> 00:53:43,519 There are inscriptions right here. 978 00:53:43,553 --> 00:53:45,387 There are? Yes. 979 00:53:45,455 --> 00:53:48,424 On the edge here, at least decorations, anyway. 980 00:53:59,569 --> 00:54:00,869 Elkins: Well, we're walking back and forth 981 00:54:00,971 --> 00:54:03,806 in the same area several times, and we're heading back to camp 982 00:54:03,873 --> 00:54:05,674 towards the end of the afternoon, 983 00:54:05,742 --> 00:54:07,109 then all of a sudden... 984 00:54:07,177 --> 00:54:07,943 Fisher: See this? 985 00:54:08,011 --> 00:54:08,811 Gonzalez: There's a heap. 986 00:54:08,878 --> 00:54:09,979 There are inscriptions right here. 987 00:54:10,046 --> 00:54:11,847 There are? Yes. 988 00:54:11,915 --> 00:54:14,550 On the edge here, at least decorations, anyway. 989 00:54:14,618 --> 00:54:15,651 Yep, that's it. 990 00:54:15,685 --> 00:54:17,052 Cruz: Wow, wow, wow! Look at that! 991 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,656 [ Indistinct exclamations ] 992 00:54:20,724 --> 00:54:22,091 Pay dirt. Look at this! 993 00:54:22,158 --> 00:54:25,728 Whoa, whoa! Everybody stop! Back off. 994 00:54:25,795 --> 00:54:29,398 Don't touch anything. Don't clear anything, please. 995 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:32,368 Yeah. See that. Here's a monkey. 996 00:54:32,435 --> 00:54:33,936 Elkins: We got a monkey? 997 00:54:34,004 --> 00:54:36,505 Yeah, that's... 998 00:54:36,573 --> 00:54:38,807 Excuse me. Gonzalez: Oh, my goodness. 999 00:54:38,875 --> 00:54:40,743 Fisher: Okay, guys. I need -- 1000 00:54:40,810 --> 00:54:43,345 No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Nobody walk on this! 1001 00:54:43,413 --> 00:54:45,748 Nobody walk on this stuff. Everybody back up. 1002 00:54:45,815 --> 00:54:46,815 Yep. I know. 1003 00:54:46,883 --> 00:54:49,318 I'm standing right here for a reason. 1004 00:54:49,386 --> 00:54:50,486 Whoa -- Steve! 1005 00:54:50,553 --> 00:54:53,522 I'm putting my stick there. Cool it, man. 1006 00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:57,393 This is great. This is the real thing. 1007 00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:59,862 Wow. That's our monkey god. 1008 00:54:59,929 --> 00:55:01,030 Gonzalez: There's our monkey. 1009 00:55:01,097 --> 00:55:03,065 Cuidad blanca, the lost city of the monkey god. 1010 00:55:03,099 --> 00:55:07,970 You can't touch it, carve it, scrape anything off, 1011 00:55:08,038 --> 00:55:12,875 because he needs to register where this is, as a site. 1012 00:55:12,942 --> 00:55:15,577 Elkins: One of the first things that I saw was the head 1013 00:55:15,645 --> 00:55:17,246 of what I thought was a monkey effigy 1014 00:55:17,313 --> 00:55:18,814 sticking out of the ground. 1015 00:55:18,882 --> 00:55:20,949 Somebody said, "yeah, it looks like a monkey, 1016 00:55:20,984 --> 00:55:23,419 except the ears are on top of its head." 1017 00:55:23,486 --> 00:55:26,355 As much as I didn't want to admit it, this was not a monkey. 1018 00:55:26,423 --> 00:55:28,857 It was a more feline-looking character. 1019 00:55:33,229 --> 00:55:35,130 Preston: I have never -- I've been to many 1020 00:55:35,198 --> 00:55:37,566 archeological sites in my life -- 1021 00:55:37,634 --> 00:55:38,967 I've never seen anything 1022 00:55:39,035 --> 00:55:43,405 so pristine, so untouched as this. 1023 00:55:43,473 --> 00:55:45,808 This is what I dreamed about, you know? 1024 00:55:45,909 --> 00:55:48,610 We really found something. This is just the beginning. 1025 00:55:52,015 --> 00:55:55,784 When that cache was found, that changed everything. 1026 00:55:55,852 --> 00:55:59,688 52 sculptures poking up out of the ground, 1027 00:55:59,756 --> 00:56:03,058 and they're all in one spot, in a very small area 1028 00:56:03,126 --> 00:56:07,396 of maybe 200-300 square feet. 1029 00:56:07,464 --> 00:56:08,964 Elkins: This is the big thing here, guys. 1030 00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:13,902 Chris, we can step where there's no obvious thing. Come on. 1031 00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:15,537 Fisher: There's stuff under all of this. 1032 00:56:15,605 --> 00:56:17,539 Well, the whole place is full of stuff! 1033 00:56:17,607 --> 00:56:19,208 We're not crushing anything. Come on. 1034 00:56:19,275 --> 00:56:21,543 We're just taking pictures. 1035 00:56:21,611 --> 00:56:23,011 Preston: What are we gonna do with this stuff? 1036 00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:24,513 We'd love to just dig it up. 1037 00:56:24,581 --> 00:56:26,582 I don't know if we have to do rescue archeology 1038 00:56:26,649 --> 00:56:29,184 to get some of this stuff out or they can take their time. 1039 00:56:29,252 --> 00:56:32,321 I don't know. I mean, this is a political call now. 1040 00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:34,289 You know, in a way, we've opened up pandora's box 1041 00:56:34,357 --> 00:56:37,559 yeah, because a lot of people now know exactly where this is. 1042 00:56:37,627 --> 00:56:39,161 Right. 1043 00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:44,199 ♪ 1044 00:56:44,267 --> 00:56:46,702 I mean, this to me -- This is the vindication. 1045 00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:47,903 I've never seen anything like that. 1046 00:56:47,971 --> 00:56:49,505 This is museum stuff. 1047 00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:55,177 I'm glad I've lived to see this day. 1048 00:56:55,245 --> 00:57:03,245 ♪ 1049 00:57:04,587 --> 00:57:12,587 ♪ 1050 00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:22,938 There's some concern if we leave stuff totally undisturbed, 1051 00:57:23,006 --> 00:57:25,073 will it be here when someone comes back? 1052 00:57:25,141 --> 00:57:27,576 There's a narco lord with an airstrip close by, 1053 00:57:27,644 --> 00:57:29,745 with unlimited amounts of money, 1054 00:57:29,813 --> 00:57:33,849 and the cat's out of the bag, in terms of what's here. 1055 00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:36,318 It's sort of very difficult to control, 1056 00:57:36,352 --> 00:57:38,320 so dilemma is, what do we do? 1057 00:57:38,388 --> 00:57:41,390 You know, do we try and save a couple of these items 1058 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:45,327 that will exemplify what it is we've found, 1059 00:57:45,395 --> 00:57:47,763 and maybe create more interest around the world 1060 00:57:47,831 --> 00:57:49,965 to hurry up and generate more money 1061 00:57:50,033 --> 00:57:51,934 so people can get in here quicker? 1062 00:57:52,001 --> 00:57:54,102 Or do we leave it in Situ, 1063 00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:57,473 and with the hopes that in some time in the future 1064 00:57:57,540 --> 00:58:00,042 there will be the money, and people will come out here 1065 00:58:00,044 --> 00:58:02,344 and that stuff won't be stolen by then. 1066 00:58:02,412 --> 00:58:03,912 It stays. 1067 00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:05,447 Can't remove any of the pieces. 1068 00:58:05,515 --> 00:58:08,617 If it's gone, it's gone. That's on the Hondurans. 1069 00:58:08,651 --> 00:58:13,188 It's a giant, three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle, 1070 00:58:13,256 --> 00:58:15,858 and you can't take out one piece like that. 1071 00:58:15,925 --> 00:58:18,393 It just doesn't -- that kind of situation 1072 00:58:18,461 --> 00:58:19,962 just doesn't work like that. 1073 00:58:20,029 --> 00:58:22,798 Benenson: But what about if we leave here, 1074 00:58:22,865 --> 00:58:24,766 the next time someone comes back in -- 1075 00:58:24,834 --> 00:58:27,836 You come back in a year or two from now, there's nothing left. 1076 00:58:27,904 --> 00:58:29,638 That's fine? 1077 00:58:29,739 --> 00:58:31,106 That absolutely sucks, 1078 00:58:31,174 --> 00:58:34,943 but we can't just take one or two pieces out like that, 1079 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:37,012 because we'll lose -- Besides just saying "you can't," 1080 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,847 explain to me the logic behind that. 1081 00:58:38,915 --> 00:58:42,084 By pulling out pieces Willy nilly, 1082 00:58:42,151 --> 00:58:45,053 we lose a lot of information. 1083 00:58:45,121 --> 00:58:48,657 We lose the complete context for the piece. 1084 00:58:48,725 --> 00:58:50,859 But if we record its position, 1085 00:58:50,927 --> 00:58:52,628 we photograph with your lidar scan, 1086 00:58:52,695 --> 00:58:54,496 everything in its position. 1087 00:58:54,564 --> 00:58:57,199 The lidar scanner will not record it 1088 00:58:57,267 --> 00:58:59,434 in the kind of detail that you're thinking. 1089 00:58:59,502 --> 00:59:02,905 But what information are we losing, other than its position 1090 00:59:02,972 --> 00:59:04,940 relative to other objects? 1091 00:59:05,008 --> 00:59:06,608 And the objects below it. 1092 00:59:06,643 --> 00:59:08,610 That's the most important information. 1093 00:59:08,678 --> 00:59:10,879 The context of the bowl is what's important, 1094 00:59:10,947 --> 00:59:13,048 and the undisturbed context 1095 00:59:13,116 --> 00:59:16,351 of the entire cache is what's unique. 1096 00:59:16,419 --> 00:59:18,120 Cohen: I'm afraid I would have to agree with Chris. 1097 00:59:18,187 --> 00:59:20,355 I feel incredibly uncomfortable excavating 1098 00:59:20,423 --> 00:59:22,257 something out of context. 1099 00:59:22,325 --> 00:59:26,028 Learning about the architecture around that cache -- 1100 00:59:26,095 --> 00:59:27,029 What does that mean? 1101 00:59:27,130 --> 00:59:29,164 If you just take out a bowl or a seat, 1102 00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:31,500 or whatever those artifacts are, 1103 00:59:31,568 --> 00:59:32,935 we don't know what their function was. 1104 00:59:33,002 --> 00:59:34,736 We don't know what they were used for. 1105 00:59:34,804 --> 00:59:36,071 It makes me uncomfortable just to think 1106 00:59:36,139 --> 00:59:38,840 about excavating it right now. 1107 00:59:38,908 --> 00:59:41,810 I won't do it. 1108 00:59:41,878 --> 00:59:43,011 Okay. 1109 00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,147 It really puts me in a precarious position, 1110 00:59:45,214 --> 00:59:46,815 professionally. 1111 00:59:46,883 --> 00:59:50,152 If you're talking about sending a team up here 1112 00:59:50,219 --> 00:59:53,889 to spend a month excavating the cache, 1113 00:59:53,957 --> 00:59:55,490 that's a different thing, 1114 00:59:55,558 --> 00:59:59,127 if the president wants to give a permit for that to happen, 1115 00:59:59,162 --> 01:00:00,395 that's great. 1116 01:00:00,463 --> 01:00:03,966 An academic expedition in here might take years, 1117 01:00:04,033 --> 01:00:06,134 and then what happens if -- 1118 01:00:06,202 --> 01:00:10,806 Let's say my view is correct, that it's been looted? 1119 01:00:10,873 --> 01:00:14,142 Has that protected the site? 1120 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,815 The value of pulling a single stone bowl out of there is, 1121 01:00:19,882 --> 01:00:21,350 there is no value to it. 1122 01:00:21,417 --> 01:00:23,485 Well, I know what makes people excited, 1123 01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:25,487 and makes them want to give up their money 1124 01:00:25,555 --> 01:00:28,890 and invest in -- to put money up to do these things. 1125 01:00:28,958 --> 01:00:32,628 So if they see something, and they can touch it, 1126 01:00:32,695 --> 01:00:34,329 then they get excited about it, 1127 01:00:34,397 --> 01:00:36,298 and then they go, "yes, we'll contribute. 1128 01:00:36,332 --> 01:00:38,166 Yeah, let's get a team there right away." 1129 01:00:38,234 --> 01:00:40,869 So are we talking about taking a bowl out to demonstrate 1130 01:00:40,937 --> 01:00:42,838 that there's something there? 1131 01:00:42,905 --> 01:00:44,640 Or are we talking about taking a bowl out 1132 01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:46,475 because we're afraid it's going to get looted? 1133 01:00:46,542 --> 01:00:48,110 So we're talking about 1134 01:00:48,177 --> 01:00:50,712 taking a bowl out of there for a marketing idea. 1135 01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:53,115 It's both. It's two sides of the coin. 1136 01:00:53,149 --> 01:00:54,683 Taking a single bowl out -- 1137 01:00:54,751 --> 01:00:58,720 Then they're just gonna come up and get the other 50. 1138 01:00:58,788 --> 01:01:00,455 No academic archeologist 1139 01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:02,924 will touch this project after that happens. 1140 01:01:05,261 --> 01:01:10,065 And I absolutely -- I cannot condone it. 1141 01:01:10,099 --> 01:01:12,434 You will lose all academic credibility, 1142 01:01:12,502 --> 01:01:14,536 probably, within the archeological community, 1143 01:01:14,604 --> 01:01:16,538 if you pull something out like that. 1144 01:01:16,606 --> 01:01:19,808 You will be seen as treasure hunters. 1145 01:01:26,382 --> 01:01:34,322 ♪ 1146 01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:41,096 ♪ 1147 01:01:41,163 --> 01:01:43,465 Elkins: We made the difficult decision to leave the site as-is 1148 01:01:43,499 --> 01:01:45,867 and simply record the location of the objects 1149 01:01:45,968 --> 01:01:47,836 with terrestrial lidar. 1150 01:01:47,904 --> 01:01:49,771 Our fears of looting were put to rest 1151 01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:51,406 when the president ordered the soldiers 1152 01:01:51,474 --> 01:01:53,141 to stay on and guard the site. 1153 01:01:53,209 --> 01:01:58,046 ♪ 1154 01:01:58,114 --> 01:02:01,183 [ Note playing ] 1155 01:02:01,250 --> 01:02:07,856 ♪ 1156 01:02:25,508 --> 01:02:28,210 Fisher: Lidar is the ultimate conservation tool. 1157 01:02:28,277 --> 01:02:29,711 Archeological sites are disappearing 1158 01:02:29,779 --> 01:02:32,380 at a really rapid rate, and that's one of the great things 1159 01:02:32,448 --> 01:02:34,683 about these lidar records, 1160 01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:37,319 is all of a sudden we have this big data 1161 01:02:37,386 --> 01:02:38,854 that we've never had before -- 1162 01:02:38,921 --> 01:02:42,424 But then we open up a pandora's box. 1163 01:02:42,492 --> 01:02:46,862 Once we find this stuff and it sort of gets publicized, 1164 01:02:46,929 --> 01:02:48,563 we have to work to protect it. 1165 01:02:48,631 --> 01:02:56,631 ♪ 1166 01:02:58,274 --> 01:03:06,274 ♪ 1167 01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:10,252 Elkins: As I'm getting on the helicopter, 1168 01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:12,654 I obviously had a great feeling of satisfaction 1169 01:03:12,722 --> 01:03:14,623 that we accomplished so much, 1170 01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:19,094 and was almost a fulfillment of this multi-decade dream. 1171 01:03:19,162 --> 01:03:24,599 ♪ 1172 01:03:24,667 --> 01:03:26,334 As soon as we got out of the jungle, 1173 01:03:26,402 --> 01:03:29,471 the president of Honduras expressed an interest 1174 01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:31,339 that this discovery be reported 1175 01:03:31,407 --> 01:03:32,574 as quickly as possible, 1176 01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:34,810 so I wrote a little 800-word piece, 1177 01:03:34,877 --> 01:03:36,845 and the publication of that little news piece 1178 01:03:36,913 --> 01:03:39,181 caused quite a stir, actually -- 1179 01:03:39,248 --> 01:03:42,083 I guess the word "furor" is not inaccurate -- 1180 01:03:42,151 --> 01:03:46,788 Among scholars, who put together a letter of protest 1181 01:03:46,856 --> 01:03:49,858 about what we were doing, which became public 1182 01:03:49,926 --> 01:03:53,695 and was signed by a number of archeologists and students 1183 01:03:53,763 --> 01:03:55,497 who were working in Honduras. 1184 01:03:55,565 --> 01:03:58,500 Maggie: They have sufficiently tweaked you, 1185 01:03:58,568 --> 01:04:02,237 but there's no way to win in a [bleep] match with [bleep] 1186 01:04:02,305 --> 01:04:05,006 Benenson: Maggie, you've made your point very well. 1187 01:04:05,074 --> 01:04:06,708 Chris, where are you? 1188 01:04:06,776 --> 01:04:09,144 What are you thinking you want to do? 1189 01:04:14,283 --> 01:04:16,251 Elkins: All of a sudden, there's a group of academics -- 1190 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,385 Many of the same ones that had 1191 01:04:17,453 --> 01:04:19,754 chastised us several years before -- 1192 01:04:19,822 --> 01:04:23,225 Claiming what we did was really a bunch of b.S., 1193 01:04:23,292 --> 01:04:25,694 and we didn't have the right people. 1194 01:04:25,761 --> 01:04:26,928 One of my concerns, 1195 01:04:26,996 --> 01:04:28,797 and the concerns of my colleagues is that, 1196 01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:30,732 because it was initiated by people 1197 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,168 who weren't archeologists themselves, 1198 01:04:33,236 --> 01:04:34,536 there's been a disregard 1199 01:04:34,604 --> 01:04:37,305 for what archeology actually knows. 1200 01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:39,007 Preston: In reading the letter, 1201 01:04:39,075 --> 01:04:43,411 one criticism is failure to acknowledge local knowledge. 1202 01:04:43,479 --> 01:04:45,747 Archeology has long had a problem 1203 01:04:45,814 --> 01:04:49,084 with talking about discoveries of things 1204 01:04:49,151 --> 01:04:53,555 that were well-known to indigenous people. 1205 01:04:53,623 --> 01:04:59,160 Fact of the matter is, there is no local presence in that area. 1206 01:04:59,228 --> 01:05:03,531 It is a wilderness, in the true sense of of that word -- 1207 01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:05,934 A place without roads, electricity, 1208 01:05:06,002 --> 01:05:08,370 permanent human settlement. 1209 01:05:10,339 --> 01:05:14,476 Indigenous knowledge is a very important part of this story, 1210 01:05:14,543 --> 01:05:17,078 and it's complicated, because when 1211 01:05:17,146 --> 01:05:20,215 the Rio platano biosphere reserve was created, 1212 01:05:20,283 --> 01:05:23,885 indigenous settlements were actually relocated, 1213 01:05:23,953 --> 01:05:28,456 and the access of people to this area was restricted. 1214 01:05:28,524 --> 01:05:30,225 The reason why it's important 1215 01:05:30,293 --> 01:05:33,395 is because generations of American schoolchildren 1216 01:05:33,462 --> 01:05:36,131 have been taught that Columbus discovered america. 1217 01:05:36,198 --> 01:05:38,033 The idea that indigenous people, 1218 01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,602 their territories, their sacred sites, 1219 01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:43,238 their artifacts, their culture, are discovered 1220 01:05:43,306 --> 01:05:47,142 by white Europeans is very offensive to indigenous people. 1221 01:05:47,209 --> 01:05:48,910 They've known about these things all along. 1222 01:05:48,978 --> 01:05:52,147 They may be new to the Europeans who've just arrived, 1223 01:05:52,214 --> 01:05:54,115 but they're very resentful of being "discovered." 1224 01:05:54,183 --> 01:05:56,651 Almost every significant archeological discovery 1225 01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:00,655 made at mosquitia was because indigenous people 1226 01:06:00,723 --> 01:06:02,757 brought the archeologists to that site 1227 01:06:02,825 --> 01:06:04,459 and showed them the site. 1228 01:06:04,527 --> 01:06:07,929 However, this site is almost unique 1229 01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:09,965 in not having been discovered that way. 1230 01:06:10,032 --> 01:06:13,868 We knew this place was virgin, and there's no refuting it. 1231 01:06:13,936 --> 01:06:16,771 The narrative of discovery has been an essential part of this 1232 01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:19,040 from the very beginning. 1233 01:06:19,108 --> 01:06:21,943 Preston: The next point was, the expedition had engaged 1234 01:06:22,011 --> 01:06:23,878 in exaggerated claims of discovery -- 1235 01:06:23,946 --> 01:06:28,116 That it was no bigger than any other ruin in mosquitia, 1236 01:06:28,183 --> 01:06:29,551 and that we were 1237 01:06:29,618 --> 01:06:34,356 sensationalizing archeological research. 1238 01:06:34,423 --> 01:06:37,392 My feeling as a journalist was, it is sensational. 1239 01:06:37,460 --> 01:06:40,095 Amazing to think that in the 21st century, 1240 01:06:40,129 --> 01:06:42,464 a lost city could actually be discovered. 1241 01:06:42,531 --> 01:06:45,767 Archeology actually is a very difficult thing to do. 1242 01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:49,004 It often takes years of work with local communities 1243 01:06:49,071 --> 01:06:51,506 to have permission to go into a particular area, 1244 01:06:51,574 --> 01:06:53,008 and I think it's probably fair to say 1245 01:06:53,075 --> 01:06:56,678 that indigenous communities are still mostly dissatisfied 1246 01:06:56,746 --> 01:06:58,546 with how that information is being used 1247 01:06:58,614 --> 01:07:02,650 and still feel that they're not having much come back to them, 1248 01:07:02,718 --> 01:07:07,022 in terms of what they would like to have. 1249 01:07:07,089 --> 01:07:14,963 ♪ 1250 01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:22,837 ♪ 1251 01:07:22,905 --> 01:07:30,845 ♪ 1252 01:07:30,913 --> 01:07:32,580 Elkins: By this point, we had gained the support 1253 01:07:32,648 --> 01:07:35,116 of a second presidential administration. 1254 01:07:35,184 --> 01:07:37,152 [ Indistinct chatter ] 1255 01:07:37,219 --> 01:07:38,887 [ Speaking on mic in Spanish ] 1256 01:07:38,954 --> 01:07:41,256 [ Applause ] 1257 01:07:43,592 --> 01:07:45,527 [ Speaking in Spanish ] 1258 01:08:24,667 --> 01:08:25,700 [ Helicopter blades whirring ] 1259 01:08:50,626 --> 01:08:58,600 ♪ 1260 01:08:58,667 --> 01:09:00,301 Man: So, El presidente. 1261 01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:10,512 We are here with the president and many government officials 1262 01:09:10,579 --> 01:09:15,116 to facilitate the planning of the excavation. 1263 01:09:27,696 --> 01:09:30,131 Fisher: They certainly had contact with the Maya. 1264 01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:31,699 They would have traded, 1265 01:09:31,767 --> 01:09:34,068 maybe exchanged people and information, 1266 01:09:34,136 --> 01:09:36,504 but they were a completely separate people, 1267 01:09:36,572 --> 01:09:37,906 and they were a people that were centered 1268 01:09:37,973 --> 01:09:39,874 here in la mosquitia. 1269 01:09:39,942 --> 01:09:43,011 There are all of these descriptions of these objects. 1270 01:09:45,347 --> 01:09:49,651 Nobody has ever systematically excavated a cache like this. 1271 01:09:51,353 --> 01:09:53,888 It's -- I've never seen anything like it, and I've worked in -- 1272 01:09:58,661 --> 01:10:00,061 Maybe. [ Chuckles ] 1273 01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:04,532 Who is afraid of the curse of the lost city? 1274 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,501 Certainly not the explorers 1275 01:10:06,569 --> 01:10:10,471 who've been reliving their adventures and misadventures. 1276 01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:14,075 Elkins: Maybe some press reports may have blown it up 1277 01:10:14,143 --> 01:10:15,443 more than what it was, 1278 01:10:15,511 --> 01:10:17,679 but we never officially said anything, 1279 01:10:17,746 --> 01:10:20,782 I think, that anybody could really [bleep] about. 1280 01:10:20,849 --> 01:10:22,617 My feeling is that the issue of urbanism 1281 01:10:22,685 --> 01:10:24,319 remains undemonstrated. 1282 01:10:24,386 --> 01:10:27,622 They will sell many, many more articles and stories 1283 01:10:27,756 --> 01:10:31,859 and documentaries if it's "the search for the lost city." 1284 01:10:31,927 --> 01:10:32,994 If the title had been 1285 01:10:33,062 --> 01:10:35,430 "the search for the abandoned village," 1286 01:10:35,497 --> 01:10:37,065 probably not so much. 1287 01:10:37,099 --> 01:10:42,470 ♪ 1288 01:10:42,538 --> 01:10:44,472 Elkins: About a month after the expedition, 1289 01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:46,474 and we had thought that everybody came through 1290 01:10:46,542 --> 01:10:49,244 everything without any injuries, or so on and so forth -- 1291 01:10:49,311 --> 01:10:52,747 In fact, we're congratulating ourselves about that. 1292 01:10:52,815 --> 01:10:55,149 Some people's bug bites didn't go away. 1293 01:10:55,217 --> 01:10:58,086 It starts off as a little, hard cyst, 1294 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,021 and then it developed into kind of what 1295 01:11:00,089 --> 01:11:02,523 looked like sort of a really bad bug bite -- 1296 01:11:02,591 --> 01:11:04,525 But one of the characteristics of it is that 1297 01:11:04,593 --> 01:11:07,161 it doesn't itch and it doesn't hurt. 1298 01:11:07,229 --> 01:11:09,464 It's like, it doesn't bother you at all. 1299 01:11:09,531 --> 01:11:10,865 You don't even feel it. 1300 01:11:10,933 --> 01:11:14,335 And that, I guess, is because the tissue is necrotizing. 1301 01:11:14,403 --> 01:11:16,738 You know, you're not feeling anything 1302 01:11:16,805 --> 01:11:18,806 because everything's dying. 1303 01:11:18,874 --> 01:11:20,141 The parasite's killing everything. 1304 01:11:20,209 --> 01:11:25,280 So at a certain point, it developed into a scab, 1305 01:11:25,347 --> 01:11:27,448 and then at one point, 1306 01:11:27,483 --> 01:11:29,517 the scab just crumbled and fell off, 1307 01:11:29,585 --> 01:11:32,086 and that's when it turned into an open sore. 1308 01:11:32,154 --> 01:11:33,054 Preston: There it is. 1309 01:11:33,122 --> 01:11:34,989 That's a pretty bad looking lesion. 1310 01:11:45,901 --> 01:11:47,302 Elkins: Oh [bleep]. Holy [bleep]. 1311 01:11:47,369 --> 01:11:50,772 That is classic leishmaniasis crater. 1312 01:11:50,839 --> 01:11:53,574 That's a pretty, pretty bad looking lesion. 1313 01:11:53,642 --> 01:11:57,045 Elkins: Between the Honduran soldiers, the members of our team, 1314 01:11:57,112 --> 01:12:00,248 50 percent of those that went on the expedition 1315 01:12:00,282 --> 01:12:02,450 got leishmaniasis infections. 1316 01:12:02,518 --> 01:12:05,119 There's so many bug bites that it took a month for us 1317 01:12:05,154 --> 01:12:07,288 to see that that the one bite 1318 01:12:07,356 --> 01:12:09,657 that wasn't going away was the leish bite. 1319 01:12:09,725 --> 01:12:12,627 And then I looked it up, and that was pretty shocking. 1320 01:12:12,694 --> 01:12:15,897 Elkins: When you see images of people who have leishmaniasis, 1321 01:12:15,964 --> 01:12:19,400 it's not the disease that's doing the damage. 1322 01:12:19,468 --> 01:12:23,471 It's the body attacking itself from reaction to the parasite. 1323 01:12:23,539 --> 01:12:26,140 Preston: The treatment is very toxic, and there's a question 1324 01:12:26,208 --> 01:12:28,743 as to whether my body will be able to tolerate it. 1325 01:12:28,811 --> 01:12:35,049 The n.I.H. Is the unquestionably largest supporter 1326 01:12:35,117 --> 01:12:37,552 of neglected tropical disease research 1327 01:12:37,586 --> 01:12:41,055 of any organization or entity in the world. 1328 01:12:41,123 --> 01:12:45,927 Nash: Leishmaniasis is a one-celled animal, which we call protozoa, 1329 01:12:45,994 --> 01:12:48,196 and it's a particular type of protozoa. 1330 01:12:48,263 --> 01:12:52,400 It has a lifecycle, involves a fly and a reservoir host, 1331 01:12:52,468 --> 01:12:56,337 and it's found in many areas of the world. 1332 01:12:56,405 --> 01:12:59,307 But they're -- depending on the species 1333 01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:01,876 and the fly and the population, 1334 01:13:01,944 --> 01:13:04,946 the manifestations are somewhat different. 1335 01:13:05,013 --> 01:13:07,715 Our interest in that stems from the fact 1336 01:13:07,783 --> 01:13:10,885 that there's growing appreciation 1337 01:13:10,953 --> 01:13:13,721 of the importance of these diseases, 1338 01:13:13,756 --> 01:13:16,057 particularly, as you think in terms of, 1339 01:13:16,125 --> 01:13:19,694 we live in a global community, and economically and otherwise, 1340 01:13:19,762 --> 01:13:22,130 the interactions with different countries, 1341 01:13:22,197 --> 01:13:26,200 that it has gone from kind of neglected -- 1342 01:13:26,268 --> 01:13:28,936 In the sense of not only neglected with resources, 1343 01:13:29,004 --> 01:13:31,406 but neglected on the radar screen -- 1344 01:13:31,473 --> 01:13:33,541 To now, people paying much more attention. 1345 01:13:33,609 --> 01:13:35,910 You know, we weren't there very long -- 8, 9 days -- 1346 01:13:35,978 --> 01:13:37,945 And then, boom, everyone gets it. 1347 01:13:38,013 --> 01:13:39,647 Even the Hondurans got it. 1348 01:13:39,715 --> 01:13:41,682 Nash: You know, we don't usually see epidemics. 1349 01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:46,988 You know, this would be defined as an epidemic. 1350 01:13:47,055 --> 01:13:48,756 I probably wouldn't have been surprised 1351 01:13:48,824 --> 01:13:54,962 if all 22 had come down with it, given the frequency of bites. 1352 01:13:54,997 --> 01:13:57,131 You were clearly in a habitat 1353 01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:02,003 where there were reservoir animals, other animals, 1354 01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:08,509 I presume, mammals that were the source of infection 1355 01:14:08,577 --> 01:14:13,214 for these flies that were then biting these strangers. 1356 01:14:13,282 --> 01:14:17,118 Fauci: If you look at the diseases that afflict man, 1357 01:14:17,186 --> 01:14:22,390 a substantial proportion of them relate to animal reservoirs. 1358 01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:25,660 In fact, if you look at many of the important diseases, 1359 01:14:25,727 --> 01:14:27,962 they are called zoonotic diseases, 1360 01:14:28,029 --> 01:14:31,265 or diseases that have a reservoir in animals. 1361 01:14:31,333 --> 01:14:33,668 One of the difficulties with diseases 1362 01:14:33,735 --> 01:14:36,270 that have reservoirs in animals, 1363 01:14:36,338 --> 01:14:38,206 it makes it that much more difficult 1364 01:14:38,273 --> 01:14:41,742 to completely eradicate the disease. 1365 01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:44,312 If a disease weakens the population 1366 01:14:44,379 --> 01:14:46,714 and weakens their productivity, 1367 01:14:46,782 --> 01:14:51,586 the effect on economy can be much, much more profound 1368 01:14:51,653 --> 01:14:55,189 than a disease that might acutely kill someone, 1369 01:14:55,257 --> 01:14:58,226 get them out of the cycle of productivity, 1370 01:14:58,293 --> 01:15:01,529 and someone else who's healthy will take their place. 1371 01:15:01,597 --> 01:15:03,631 Whereas, when you're dealing with the fact that 1372 01:15:03,665 --> 01:15:05,867 you have a substantial proportion of people 1373 01:15:05,934 --> 01:15:09,704 are impeded in their productivity -- 1374 01:15:09,771 --> 01:15:12,240 Then the economic consequences are almost unmeasurable. 1375 01:15:12,307 --> 01:15:14,041 I mean, they're extraordinary. 1376 01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:17,512 There's very few places on the planet 1377 01:15:17,579 --> 01:15:21,215 where you really have these pristine ecological niches 1378 01:15:21,283 --> 01:15:24,118 that really have been just doing what they do 1379 01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:27,688 in some sort of equilibrium for centuries. 1380 01:15:29,725 --> 01:15:33,294 So, you've brought back a window into what's happening 1381 01:15:33,362 --> 01:15:35,429 in an area where, really, there's no people. 1382 01:15:35,497 --> 01:15:42,303 ♪ 1383 01:15:42,371 --> 01:15:49,210 ♪ 1384 01:15:49,278 --> 01:15:56,150 ♪ 1385 01:15:56,218 --> 01:15:59,086 ♪ 1386 01:15:59,154 --> 01:16:00,688 Fisher: That's good. Right there. 1387 01:16:00,756 --> 01:16:04,792 ♪ 1388 01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:07,028 [ Indistinct chatter ] 1389 01:16:07,095 --> 01:16:11,599 Gonzalez: To have a grouping of several hundred pieces 1390 01:16:11,667 --> 01:16:16,437 is a phenomenon we don't yet understand, 1391 01:16:16,505 --> 01:16:19,574 but we do know that there is a center, 1392 01:16:19,641 --> 01:16:22,677 and the placement is thought out. 1393 01:16:22,744 --> 01:16:26,380 I think t1, basically, we're at the superfice. 1394 01:16:26,448 --> 01:16:28,182 We're at the very top levels. 1395 01:16:28,250 --> 01:16:31,118 We'll probably go down eight more levels 1396 01:16:31,153 --> 01:16:34,589 and find some extraordinary things. 1397 01:16:34,623 --> 01:16:39,627 The sophistication of the pieces that we found there 1398 01:16:39,694 --> 01:16:44,832 on the surface really tells us that we had an artisan class 1399 01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:47,602 that was very well-developed. 1400 01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:52,640 Everything depicted in the cache is also what surrounds us. 1401 01:16:52,708 --> 01:16:56,611 The macaws, the vultures, the felines 1402 01:16:56,678 --> 01:17:03,150 were visibly designed into these very sophisticated sculptures 1403 01:17:03,185 --> 01:17:05,853 that were used for ceremony. 1404 01:17:05,921 --> 01:17:10,324 Fisher: The cache of ground stone objects had lain undisturbed, 1405 01:17:10,392 --> 01:17:11,959 as far as we can tell, 1406 01:17:11,994 --> 01:17:14,662 since, probably, the city was abandoned. 1407 01:17:14,730 --> 01:17:17,098 What happened to these people and when is something that 1408 01:17:17,132 --> 01:17:20,334 we still don't understand very well. 1409 01:17:20,402 --> 01:17:23,704 There appear to have been many sites that were abandoned 1410 01:17:23,772 --> 01:17:26,374 between about 1300 and 1500, 1411 01:17:26,441 --> 01:17:28,009 which is when the Spanish arrived. 1412 01:17:28,076 --> 01:17:30,244 Fisher: The working hypothesis is that it was abandoned 1413 01:17:30,312 --> 01:17:33,047 as the result of European conquest. 1414 01:17:33,115 --> 01:17:35,916 That is, the introduction of old world diseases 1415 01:17:35,984 --> 01:17:40,454 and other perturbations ravaged native American populations 1416 01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:44,258 in the Americas, decimated those populations. 1417 01:17:44,326 --> 01:17:46,560 Gonzalez: If people had to leave, 1418 01:17:46,628 --> 01:17:48,829 why would they have left what they have left? 1419 01:17:48,897 --> 01:17:51,532 Because there was not enough food anymore? 1420 01:17:51,566 --> 01:17:53,734 Because they had invaders that were coming? 1421 01:17:53,802 --> 01:17:57,338 Would they, as in other cultures, would they 1422 01:17:57,406 --> 01:18:02,309 purposely destroy some of their most precious elements? 1423 01:18:02,377 --> 01:18:04,345 Yes, that's a possibility. 1424 01:18:04,413 --> 01:18:07,448 We just barely scratched the surface. 1425 01:18:07,516 --> 01:18:11,085 It's fabulous to use lidar, 1426 01:18:11,153 --> 01:18:15,856 but the frustration is that we still have to take time 1427 01:18:15,924 --> 01:18:18,959 to study each thing very carefully 1428 01:18:19,027 --> 01:18:22,096 before we come to any conclusions. 1429 01:18:22,130 --> 01:18:23,731 ♪ 1430 01:18:27,703 --> 01:18:35,703 ♪ 1431 01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:45,479 ♪ 1432 01:18:47,255 --> 01:18:49,757 ♪ 1433 01:18:49,791 --> 01:18:52,059 Elkins: I understand what they do here at the club 1434 01:18:52,127 --> 01:18:53,394 is they ask different people 1435 01:18:53,461 --> 01:18:55,596 who have done explorations or projects 1436 01:18:55,664 --> 01:18:58,165 to come up with a drink that they can serve at the bar. 1437 01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,500 So I think I have to come up with 1438 01:18:59,568 --> 01:19:01,802 a monkey god or a lost city drink. 1439 01:19:01,870 --> 01:19:03,871 I'm not exactly sure what it's gonna be yet. 1440 01:19:03,939 --> 01:19:08,242 Now, if I had gone into the mosquitia 75, 80 years ago, 1441 01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:10,711 this is the hat I would have worn. 1442 01:19:10,779 --> 01:19:12,146 Thank god I didn't have to. 1443 01:19:14,649 --> 01:19:17,318 Matthew a. Henson. 1444 01:19:17,385 --> 01:19:19,620 Same hairdo as me. [ Chuckles ] 1445 01:19:22,357 --> 01:19:24,658 Man: It is my great pleasure and honor tonight 1446 01:19:24,726 --> 01:19:27,361 to introduce you to Mr. Steve Elkins. 1447 01:19:27,429 --> 01:19:29,029 [ Applause ] 1448 01:19:29,097 --> 01:19:33,067 ♪ 1449 01:19:33,135 --> 01:19:34,935 It's a real honor for me to be here 1450 01:19:35,036 --> 01:19:37,438 in New York at the explorers club. 1451 01:19:37,506 --> 01:19:40,407 As a child, I had heard about the explorers club. 1452 01:19:40,475 --> 01:19:42,109 I really didn't know what it was about, 1453 01:19:42,177 --> 01:19:44,612 and I thought, "one day would really be cool to go there." 1454 01:19:44,679 --> 01:19:46,747 Well, now I'm a fellow in the explorers club 1455 01:19:46,815 --> 01:19:48,149 and I'm talking here. 1456 01:19:48,216 --> 01:19:49,850 It's really -- to me, it's amazing. 1457 01:19:49,918 --> 01:19:52,386 It's almost as amazing as finding the lost city. 1458 01:19:52,454 --> 01:19:54,555 Not only did we prove that airborne lidar 1459 01:19:54,623 --> 01:19:55,623 was a viable option 1460 01:19:55,690 --> 01:19:58,225 for archeological survey in the jungle, 1461 01:19:58,293 --> 01:20:00,861 we've also created and left a legacy 1462 01:20:00,929 --> 01:20:03,030 which I hope will last for many years. 1463 01:20:03,064 --> 01:20:05,833 For example, there is now a sustainable 1464 01:20:05,901 --> 01:20:08,169 conservation movement in the country. 1465 01:20:08,236 --> 01:20:09,670 The current president is a young guy -- 1466 01:20:09,738 --> 01:20:12,273 And I don't think he wants to be leader of a failed state -- 1467 01:20:12,340 --> 01:20:15,976 Is taking a lot of actions to try and save the rainforest. 1468 01:20:16,044 --> 01:20:18,512 We decided to work with conservation international, 1469 01:20:18,580 --> 01:20:22,049 which is a big ngo in conservation, 1470 01:20:22,117 --> 01:20:25,719 and put together a team of 12 biologists from Central America 1471 01:20:25,787 --> 01:20:28,489 to try and find out, is this place really special? 1472 01:20:28,557 --> 01:20:31,559 Well, they went and they found out it was. 1473 01:20:31,626 --> 01:20:33,627 I'm gonna show you two quick clips. 1474 01:20:33,695 --> 01:20:35,763 We had 22 wildlife cameras out there, 1475 01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:38,332 and we just were able to retrieve them last fall 1476 01:20:38,366 --> 01:20:40,434 at great peril to the biologist. 1477 01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:42,002 [ Crowd exclaims ] 1478 01:20:44,339 --> 01:20:45,539 [ Gasps ] 1479 01:20:45,607 --> 01:20:48,742 And that is why the first city we found in t1, 1480 01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:50,511 we're not calling it Ciudad blanca 1481 01:20:50,579 --> 01:20:51,912 or lost city of the monkey god, 1482 01:20:51,980 --> 01:20:54,548 we're calling it Ciudad del Jaguar, 1483 01:20:54,616 --> 01:20:55,916 because it's full of jaguars, 1484 01:20:55,984 --> 01:20:57,885 and that's the head we saw, the sculpture. 1485 01:20:57,953 --> 01:21:00,654 People often say the days of exploration are over -- 1486 01:21:00,722 --> 01:21:01,822 We've climbed the mountains. 1487 01:21:01,890 --> 01:21:03,090 We're going to the bottom of the sea, 1488 01:21:03,158 --> 01:21:04,992 even though we've barely seen any of it, 1489 01:21:05,059 --> 01:21:06,360 and we've crossed the Sahara, 1490 01:21:06,428 --> 01:21:08,796 the gobi desert, Mongolia, whatever. 1491 01:21:08,863 --> 01:21:11,265 We are entering a new period of exploration, 1492 01:21:11,333 --> 01:21:13,033 and what I believe is the greatest 1493 01:21:13,101 --> 01:21:15,269 period of exploration in human history, 1494 01:21:15,337 --> 01:21:18,873 and why? Because of remote-sensing technology. 1495 01:21:18,940 --> 01:21:21,775 It's improving so rapidly that we are gonna be able to 1496 01:21:21,843 --> 01:21:24,745 discover things on this planet and all over the universe 1497 01:21:24,813 --> 01:21:27,615 that we couldn't even imagine 10 or 20 years ago. 1498 01:21:27,682 --> 01:21:29,783 We're gonna be able to see things from our past 1499 01:21:29,851 --> 01:21:31,085 that we had no idea 1500 01:21:31,152 --> 01:21:33,921 that we'd be able to decipher millennia later. 1501 01:21:33,989 --> 01:21:36,891 So for the young people, this is a brave new world, 1502 01:21:36,958 --> 01:21:38,058 in a good way. 1503 01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:40,361 [ Applause ] 1504 01:21:40,428 --> 01:21:41,562 Thank you for listening. 1505 01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:48,335 ♪ 1506 01:21:48,403 --> 01:21:55,175 ♪ 1507 01:21:55,243 --> 01:22:01,982 ♪ 1508 01:22:02,050 --> 01:22:08,789 ♪ 1509 01:22:08,857 --> 01:22:15,596 ♪ 1510 01:22:15,664 --> 01:22:22,469 ♪ 1511 01:22:22,537 --> 01:22:29,276 ♪ 1512 01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:43,350 ♪ 1513 01:22:44,326 --> 01:22:52,326 ♪ 1514 01:22:53,268 --> 01:23:01,268 ♪ 1515 01:23:02,243 --> 01:23:10,243 ♪ 1516 01:23:11,252 --> 01:23:19,252 ♪ 1517 01:23:20,295 --> 01:23:28,295 ♪ 1518 01:23:29,237 --> 01:23:37,237 ♪ 1519 01:23:38,213 --> 01:23:46,213 ♪ 1520 01:23:47,188 --> 01:23:55,188 ♪ 1521 01:23:56,164 --> 01:24:04,164 ♪ 112045

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