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[ Indistinct chatter ]
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WOMAN: Have you ever been
drawn by Al Hirschfeld,
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- the caricaturist?
-MAN: No, I have not.
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WOMAN: I define how I look
by his drawings.
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WOMAN: I've been to Sardi's.
Does that count?
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WOMAN: And here you are
looking wonderful, I must say.
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MAN:
And he owes me a meal.
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WOMAN: Yes, he does.
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[ Orchestra warming up ]
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[ Conducting baton tapping ]
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MAN: The artist Paul Klee
said that a line
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is a dot out for a walk,
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and without Hirschfeld,
it's out for a dance.
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It's out for a jump.
It's out for a frolic,
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and you just watch the line,
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watch it sometimes,
you'll see it curlicue around,
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just like music.
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[ Music playing ]
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ROBERT GOULET:
He's drawn me about 10 times.
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We have about five
Al Hirschfelds in our home.
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ROBERT LOGGIA: Yes,
he did in Toys In The Attic
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and Boom Boom Room.
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I did Showboata long time ago,
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and he had this wonderful
drawing of me dancing.
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When I picked up my copy
of the New York Times,
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and I see your work in it,
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it's home to me.
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I have two of the most
wonderful drawings
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of yours, that I treasure.
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Yes, I have a wonderful
caricature by Al Hirschfeld,
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yes.
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And every Sunday,
I counted Ninas.
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I wanted to see how many times
he wrote Nina,
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and I'd try to find
this marvel of mystery,
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of where has he signed "Nina,"
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"Nina, Nina."
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[ Music playing ]
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MAN: Hirschfeld represents
the history of entertainment
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in this country,
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really, for the entire century.
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I don't know if anybody
who's chronicled it better.
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LIZA: Thank you.
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In the theater, a playwright
can create a character
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with a few brilliant lines.
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The theater has been blessed
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by the presence
of a great artist
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who can create
a single brilliant line
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and tell you everything
about a character.
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He's been doing so
for close to 70 years.
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One of the highest honors
a member of our profession
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can achieve
is to be immortalized
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with a stroke of the pen
by this master of portraiture.
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Just about every show
that ever came to Broadway
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has benefitted
from his inspired drawings.
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The Tony Awards
joins his millions of fans
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in wishing him
such a happy birthday,
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his 90th birthday this month.
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Mr. Hirschfeld,
will you stand up.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
Al Hirschfeld.
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[ Applause ]
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JULES: The only glamour left
in the theater
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is what Al Hirschfeld,
brings to it
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and he is to what he does
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what Astaire was to what he did.
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Al has the same effortlessness,
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the same grace,
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the same wit,
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and that
lighter-than-air quality.
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KATHARINE: He certainly
really does it well,
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so he's great fun.
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I mean,
looking at his stuff is just--
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it's a treat.
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Hilarious,
me playing the piano,
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tells the whole story...
terrifying.
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[ Laughing ]
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FLORENCE: When he went to see
a show, he kept a little pad
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in his pocket and made sketches in his pocket
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of what he was later
going to do
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on a bigger scale.
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CAROL:
He's captured the performance
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and the red blood corpuscles
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going around--
that go around,
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the adrenaline
that's shooting off,
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and the electricity --
he captures it,
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right there on paper.
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It's the magic of the theater.
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STEFAN: Al is considered one
of the very high art form,
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and it's a pity that he has
to be known as a caricaturist,
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but that's the only word
for what he does.
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The word itself
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comes from
an Italian word, caricatura,
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which means
"to stuff a sausage".
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And what that has to do
with anything,
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I don't know.
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MAN: There's Al Hirschfeld,
and then there are
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the other caricatures.
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It's like Sondheim
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writes musicals,
and there's Sondheim musicals,
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and then there's
everybody else's musical.
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I mean, he does a different
kind of art form.
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[ Car honking ]
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PHILIP: The other interesting
thing about Al
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is his driving.
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He's in touch with some gods
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that the rest of us
don't know anything about.
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MARIA: When Al drives a car,
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everybody else
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counts their rosaries
or their beads
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or says, "Have 'I
made out my will?"
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AL: Slower or keep it going?
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MAN: Yeah, a little slower.
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MARIA: Most of the time,
they don't dare say
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that they're scared to death.
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WOMAN: Okay, just pull in here.
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You're too close
to the white car.
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AL: You're gonna get
your car hit.
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-WOMAN: No, stop, stop, stop.
-MARIA: Nothing ever happens.
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Dear God, hear me,
nothing ever happens.
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MAN: Al Hirschfeld
was aisle-struck early on.
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Russel Crouse was a playwright
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with Howard Lindsay
who did a number of hits.
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The one most memorable
isLife with Father,
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and he met Al Hirschfeld
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early on when Hirschfeld was
breaking in as a caricaturist.
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He described him as a person
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who had had a black beard
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and very young eyes,
and it reminded him of a--
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of a little boy looking over
a well-trimmed hedge.
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And the hedge has gotten white,
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but the little boy
is still looking over it.
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AL: Well, I've drawn ever since
I could hold a pencil.
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Actually, all kids draw.
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I just never stopped.
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[ Piano playing ]
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I was the youngest
of three brothers,
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born in 1903,
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oddly on the longest day
of the year.
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June the 21st.
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My oldest brother
was called Al.
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I don't know why
we were both called Al,
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but we both were.
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I was Albert,
and he was Alexander.
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It complicated our bank
accounts as we grew older.
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Al was a gifted pianist, and he hated the piano.
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Never wanted to play the piano,
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and he ran away from home
and became a salesman.
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He went on the road
selling peanuts.
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My other brother,
who I was much closer to,
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Milton, he died
during the flu epidemic
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in the first World War.
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I was of that generation
that missed both wars, actually.
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It was a very odd thing,
but people of my age
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were too young
for the first World War
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and too old for the second
World War.
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When my parents met,
they didn't speak
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each other's language.
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My father had come to St. Louis
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from Albany, New York,
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where his father was a tailor.
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Pop spoke only English.
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My mother who arrived
in St. Louis from Russia
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spoke only Russian and Yiddish.
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I guess love or affection
conquers all.
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I attribute my longevity
to my parents.
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Pop lived to be 93.
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Mom to 91.
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DOLLY: Al grew up
with this fierce woman,
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fierce for life
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and the knowledge
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that she had
a very talented son.
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AL: As a kid in St. Louis,
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there was an artist there,
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and he used
to take me out drawing
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on the weekends,
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and he convinced my parents
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to come to New York, that there was no future for me
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in St. Louis, and so my mother,
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who ran the family, really,
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picked us all up
and brought us to New York.
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Well, we arrived in New York,
when I was about 12,
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and we arrived at Penn Station
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and got on the Amsterdam Avenue street car
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and went to the
end of the line,
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and we started walking down
through mostly farmland...
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It was all apple orchards
up there,
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and we got to as far
as about 183rd Street,
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and there was
a little house there,
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and my mother went in
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and then inquired
about an apartment,
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and we rented
the top floor of this house
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for four dollars a month.
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Seems ridiculous,
but my father never worked.
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My mother worked.
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And my father took care
of the kids.
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He was marvelous with kids.
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He was the umpire
of the ball game,
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and that sort of thing.
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My father was an original.
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He started the trotting races
on the Harlem River Drive.
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In his later years,
he invented the phrase
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"senior citizen."
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My mother was the breadwinner
in our family.
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She worked in
department stores,
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had a candy store in St. Louis.
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She was the one
who supported us.
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[ Music playing ]
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AL: When I was about 14,
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my mother took me
to see a musical comedy
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called "Hijinks"
at the Maxine Elliott theater,
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and that was
my first experience
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in the theater,
and I was enchanted with it.
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It just transported me
to another world.
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And I had discovered
vaudeville.
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I became a buff at vaudeville,
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went every Monday afternoon
to the Palace theater.
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Signs of a misspent youth.
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MAN: From coast to coast
stretched an endless chain
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of vaudeville houses,
forever prosperous.
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Offering a lifetime
of bookings to popular acts.
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AL: You might say
that I was stage-struck.
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I was mesmerized
by the stage.
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I found myself
sitting out in front
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performing in my chair.
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Actually doing a visual
response to what I was seeing.
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[ Music playing ]
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AL: Almost everybody
had to be in vaudeville.
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That was their training.
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Between burlesque
and vaudeville,
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all the comics came out
of there, you know.
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W.C. Fields,
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Ed Wynn,
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Marx Brothers.
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[ Music playing ]
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-MAN: Hey, hey.
-AL: Weber and Fields.
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MAN: Hey, buddy, stop,
don't you-- don't lay it down.
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You put the oyster
in the milk.
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And you drown the oyster.
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No, you don't drown the oyster.
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Hey, what is that you got there?
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Why, that's a newspaper.
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I thought it
was wrapping paper.
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That's the evening news.
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It appears like a post.
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AL: There was a thing
called Scandinavia.
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I doubt if that rings a bell
at all.
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It was done in a kind
of a Swedish accent, you know.
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♪ Scandinavia♪
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♪ I love you♪
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♪ I thank you,
fine Swedish gal♪
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♪ You know for you I would die♪
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♪ But never ask me to try♪
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♪ Those Swedish pastry
of yours♪
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♪ Because they think somehow♪
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♪ I don't wanna die now♪
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♪ Oh, Scandinavia♪
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♪ As a cook...
afraid♪
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♪ You'll never do♪
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♪ But when you sing
those songs♪
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♪ You'll make those music
sing those songs♪
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♪ And make those music♪
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♪ Scandinavia♪
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♪ I love you♪
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He didn't really begin
as a caricaturist.
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He began as a sculptor.
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I don't know if you have seen
his two first efforts
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when he was 14 and 17.
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Well, I started out actually -- I wanted to be a sculptor.
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Sculpture is really a drawing that you fall over in the dark,
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but it's a drawing, it's
a three-dimensional drawing.
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Practically, all the mediums
I worked in,
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watercolor and oil
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and then lithography
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and etching...
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I went
to the National Academy of Art
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at night,
and the Art Students League.
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But how to make a living
was very difficult.
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But I finally got a job,
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quite by accident,
like all things in life,
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at Goldwyn Pictures,
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Howard Dietz was
the advertising manager there.
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And I got a job there
at four dollars a week
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in the art department.
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I worked at Metro Pictures
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before it became
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
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and First National
before it became Warner Bros.
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At Metro,
I did all the comedians,
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Charley Chase,
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Laurel and Hardy,
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Buster Keaton,
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and Charlie Chaplin
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for Pathé Pictures.
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It's hard to believe
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but I was only 18
or 19 years old
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when I became art director
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of Selznick Pictures.
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DANIEL: He worked for my
grandfather, L.J. Selznick
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in 1916, 1917.
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It was his first job in New York
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when my grandfather Selznick
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was producing
silent pictures.
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AL: And the old man Selznick
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and his son David
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suggested that I could take
over the art department,
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which I did.
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And I opened a separate place
on 53rd Street.
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I had a studio,
and I hired all of the artists
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that were on the payroll
at Selznick.
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And after about two months, I
was getting trade acceptances,
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and they went bankrupt.
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And I found myself
owing an awful lot of money.
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I was then about 19,
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so I took a job again
at Warner Brothers
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and paid off all my debts.
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And once I had finished that,
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that was the changing point
in my life, really,
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because at that point,
my uncle came to New York.
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And he was very proud
of the fact
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that I paid off all my debts,
and so on.
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He said, "How would you like
you go to Europe?"
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[ Music playing ]
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AL: So, I said,
"Well, I'd love to go,
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but I've never thought
about it."
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So, he gave me $500,
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and I bought a passage
on the maiden voyage
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of the SS De Grasse.
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It was a French liner.
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One-cabin ship,
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and it was $65.
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[ Music playing ]
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AL: That whole romantic idea
of Paris in the '20s
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attracted most of the writers
and painters at the time.
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I rented a studio
with two other fellows.
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It was $33 apiece.
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So, that was
a hundred dollars a year.
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We had running water
but no hot water.
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So, we all grew a beard
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because it was impossible
to shave.
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It's so long ago, it never
occurred to me to shave since.
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Although on one occasion,
I must say,
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that I shaved off
half of my beard
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on one side and half my mustache
on the other
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and came around the dome,
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thinking this would
startle everybody,
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and nobody noticed in the end.
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I was the tap dancer
and played the ukulele
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in Zelli's,
which was a night club
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on the Right Bank.
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Well, it was a wonderful time
to be alive
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and around in Paris.
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Everybody was painting
the great picture
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and writing
the great American novel.
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There was Hemingway,
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Dos Passos, Picasso,
Maurice Chevalier.
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MAN: [ Singing in French ]
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AL: But the great toast
of Paris in those years
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was Josephine Baker.
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[ Singing in French ]
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MAN: Now we're on our way
to the world-famous...
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-AL: I came back to the States.
-MAN: ...Madison Square Garden
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- for the big benefit...
-AL: One evening in 1926,
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I went to the theater
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and Sacha Guitry
and Yvonne Printemps
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were performing.
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And during the show,
I made some sketches
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on the playbill,
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drawings, were very rough,
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and Dick Maney,
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the press agent
who accompanied me
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looked at it and said,
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"Look, why don't you put that
on a clean piece of paper
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and let me try and sell it
to one of the newspapers?
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I did, and he placed it
in the Tribune.
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And the following week,
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the Tribune called
and asked me to do a drawing.
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That's how it started.
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And that was it.
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It never occurred to me
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that I'd be making
a living at it.
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WOMAN: ♪ Come on near♪
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♪ Come on near♪
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♪ It's the best band
in the land♪
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♪ They can play a bugle♪
383
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♪ Like you never heard before♪
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♪ They'll come at you
if you wanna go to war♪
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♪ They're just --
come on board...♪
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PAULA: Al didn't have to lock
himself up
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in a room
to do these drawings.
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He was able to work
with swarms of people around.
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And he was using
the ubiquitous barber chair.
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AL: It's the last functional
chair made, I think.
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It goes up and down,
becomes a chaise lounge,
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it turns around.
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You have to fight to work
in a chair like this.
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I worked on--
originally onThe Tribune
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and thenThe Old World,
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and theTelegram Telegraph,
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andBrooklyn Eagle.
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I remember the Brooklyn Eagle
was $7.50 a column.
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And they let me do whatever
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I wanted to do
on that first page.
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And I devised a Machiavellian
scheme for paying the room rent
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by devising a...
kind of a pie-shaped thing.
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It came to a point at one end
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and then stretched out
for eight columns.
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So, that came to, we'll say $40,
you see, for the eight columns.
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And then I have another banner
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high on that side coming to a point on this side.
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And I remember Dick Maney
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said he's not gonna pay
for those last three columns
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because there's nothing
in there.
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It's just an empty space.
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This went on for years.
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I remember doing a drawing
of Harry Kurnitz's play.
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And it was a nude.
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TheTimes
wouldn't run it
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unless I put
a brassiere on her.
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So, I put a brassiere on it,
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and it ran inThe Times
with a brassiere,
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and it ran inThe Tribune
without it.
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And I think
a lot of publications,
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I thinkLife Magazine
picked it up,
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and had had, I think,
called it "All the Nudes
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That's Fit to Print."
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WOMAN: ♪ Use...♪
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♪ Your imagination♪
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♪ Just take this motto
for your theme♪
427
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♪ And soon every night♪
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♪ Will be crowded with delight♪
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♪ And every day♪
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♪ Will be a dream♪
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[ Music playing ]
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AL: I was very interested
in politics,
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as a young man.
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And I think every young person
should be.
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And I went to the Soviet Union
436
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to cover the theater.
437
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And I stayed there a year.
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This was 1927.
439
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And I must say the theater
was marvelous.
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[ Music playing ]
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AL: In those years,
I was very left.
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The only paper that would
publish my political drawings
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wasThe New Masses.
444
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And so, I worked for them
for a long time.
445
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I remember doing
a drawing one time
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of the parliament
in London bombed.
447
00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:56,978
I had all the members
of parliament in gas masks
448
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and Chamberlain addressing them with peace in our time.
449
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I brought it down to
The Times
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when the parliament was bombed.
451
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Thinking it had some news.
452
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Markel, who was
the editor then, said,
453
00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:10,905
"No, it's a communist drawing."
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And I know what he meant
by that because it's a--
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was a lithograph,
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and lithography was taken over
457
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by the communist party
at that time.
458
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The symbols were very odd.
459
00:20:22,003 --> 00:20:23,874
I mean, all the--
all the left-wing artists
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working as-- in lithography.
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He said, "Why don't you take it
to The New Masses?"
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So I said, "Well, okay."
463
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And I took it to The New Masses,
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and they used it
in double-spread.
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So he said, "I told you,
it's a communist drawing."
466
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So I said, "Okay,
it's a communist drawing."
467
00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:46,593
But, any rate, I decided then
that that's not my field.
468
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I wasn't capable of switching
my viewpoint
469
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as easily as it is
editorially to do.
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I like people, and customs, and manners, that kind of thing,
471
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and that's my field,
more or less.
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STEPHAN: When Al Hirschfeld
said he didn't have the venom
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to be a political cartoonist,
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it was not politics alone,
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it was also his art form.
476
00:21:07,962 --> 00:21:10,269
I don't think that a person
who has as much affection
477
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as he does for the people
that he draws
478
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could ever be mean,
479
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and most people
think of caricature as mean.
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[ Music playing ]
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PAULA: He's a social historian,
and always has been,
482
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in the same way
that Noeël Coward was.
483
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And people thought lightly
of his plays,
484
00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:30,506
but then the years go by,
485
00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:32,247
and they're revived
and you say,
486
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:35,555
"Hey, this fella really knew
what he was looking at."
487
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[ Music playing ]
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STEFAN: Just take a look at his
pictures and you'll understand
489
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how much he knows about people.
490
00:21:41,735 --> 00:21:43,519
Often people look like
hunting animals
491
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or hunted animals.
492
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And hunted animals always have
their eyes in the side,
493
00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:49,351
like rabbits,
and hunting animals
494
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always have their eyes
in the front like wolves,
495
00:21:51,005 --> 00:21:52,223
and he understands that.
496
00:21:52,267 --> 00:21:53,616
And take a look at it
sometimes,
497
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you see, particularly
with young women,
498
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they always look
very vulnerable
499
00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:57,577
and have their eyes in the side
500
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because they're being hunted
by men
501
00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:00,928
who always have their eyes
in the front.
502
00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:02,669
And then as they got to be
503
00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:04,932
in their late 20s or early 30s,
and they wanna get married,
504
00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:07,021
their eyes start to move toward
the front, and then they become
505
00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:08,631
the hunting animal,
506
00:22:08,675 --> 00:22:10,416
and he understands that.
507
00:22:10,459 --> 00:22:13,332
[ Music playing ]
508
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AL: Well, after watching
people for 90 years,
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you pick up a few things.
510
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[ Music playing ]
511
00:22:22,471 --> 00:22:25,474
AL: In the late '20s,
theNew York Times decided
512
00:22:25,518 --> 00:22:28,390
it wanted first crack
at my drawings.
513
00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:31,132
The editor then, Lester Markel,
514
00:22:31,175 --> 00:22:34,353
didn't like seeing them in competing newspapers.
515
00:22:34,396 --> 00:22:38,357
Mr. Markel said, "Listen, can't we make some sort of a deal?"
516
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,142
And I said very simply, "Easy.
517
00:22:41,185 --> 00:22:44,450
Just cross my palm with silver, and I'm your fella."
518
00:22:44,493 --> 00:22:46,060
So we shook hands on that,
519
00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:49,803
and I've been covering the arts for them ever since.
520
00:22:49,846 --> 00:22:53,023
Well, the times in those years
was very conservative,
521
00:22:53,067 --> 00:22:54,851
and whenever I would do
a drawing
522
00:22:54,895 --> 00:22:56,462
that I thought had some merit,
523
00:22:56,505 --> 00:22:59,943
I was called on the carpet
by Mr. Markel,
524
00:22:59,987 --> 00:23:03,164
and he would say,
"Make it less caricature.
525
00:23:03,207 --> 00:23:06,385
Can't you make people look
a little more attractive?
526
00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:07,908
I mean,
when I go to the theater,
527
00:23:07,951 --> 00:23:09,910
I see beautiful people,
528
00:23:09,953 --> 00:23:11,999
but when I pick up
theTimes on Sunday,
529
00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,784
I see a lot of animals
cavorting around."
530
00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:17,134
He said, "Is there anything
we can do about that?"
531
00:23:17,178 --> 00:23:19,746
And I said, "Yes, there is.
532
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:22,401
You can get somebody else
to do the drawing.
533
00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:25,055
What you want is an eye,
ear, nose and throat man,
534
00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:26,753
you know, to make
these drawings
535
00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:29,408
and copy them academically
536
00:23:29,451 --> 00:23:32,323
and anatomically,
and make them pretty.
537
00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:33,586
I find no wit in that,
538
00:23:33,629 --> 00:23:36,806
and I don't like to do
that kind of thing.
539
00:23:36,850 --> 00:23:39,722
And we would always part
540
00:23:39,766 --> 00:23:41,420
shaking hands,
and he would tell me
541
00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:44,161
that he'd liked my drawings
and so on.
542
00:23:44,205 --> 00:23:47,208
[ Music playing ]
543
00:23:49,819 --> 00:23:52,300
PAULA: I met him and I would--
544
00:23:52,343 --> 00:23:56,391
I think must have
been 35-- 1935,
545
00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:59,350
and I was working
with Orson at the time
546
00:23:59,394 --> 00:24:01,962
and '35, I did "Horse Eats Hat"
547
00:24:02,005 --> 00:24:05,095
and in '36,
we did "Doctor Faustus."
548
00:24:05,139 --> 00:24:07,358
Al was legally married
549
00:24:07,402 --> 00:24:10,231
but separated
from his first wife,
550
00:24:10,274 --> 00:24:11,667
whom I never met.
551
00:24:11,711 --> 00:24:14,278
Her name was Flo Allen,
552
00:24:14,322 --> 00:24:20,241
and she was a chorus girl
in Earl Carroll's Vanities.
553
00:24:20,284 --> 00:24:21,677
I met Al's mother,
554
00:24:21,721 --> 00:24:24,071
whom everyone called "Mom."
555
00:24:24,114 --> 00:24:26,377
Friday was Mom's day,
556
00:24:26,421 --> 00:24:30,207
and she would come down
and make a huge meal,
557
00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:32,601
and a lot of people would come
and eat it,
558
00:24:32,645 --> 00:24:37,258
and that was sacrosanct,
that belonged to her.
559
00:24:37,301 --> 00:24:40,827
Al was not self-revealing,
560
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:45,614
in the sense of discussing
things a lot.
561
00:24:45,658 --> 00:24:47,355
In the years
562
00:24:47,398 --> 00:24:50,967
when he was starting
his career,
563
00:24:51,011 --> 00:24:52,752
he had made
wonderful watercolors
564
00:24:52,795 --> 00:24:55,885
and lithographs, and nobody
seemed really interested
565
00:24:55,929 --> 00:24:59,759
in any of his work except
the caricatures,
566
00:24:59,802 --> 00:25:02,283
and I think that
that was very hard for him,
567
00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:04,851
but you'd never know it
from Al.
568
00:25:04,894 --> 00:25:07,984
How he feels
is totally his business.
569
00:25:08,028 --> 00:25:11,422
He had his own divining rod
about the world
570
00:25:11,466 --> 00:25:13,250
and the people he liked,
571
00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:17,254
and I remember particularly
George Braidwood McCoy,
572
00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:18,560
I'll never forget it.
573
00:25:18,604 --> 00:25:20,693
And I'm not quite sure
what he did,
574
00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:22,303
but he always
had one night a week
575
00:25:22,346 --> 00:25:24,261
that he slept on Al's couch.
576
00:25:24,305 --> 00:25:25,915
He would check
into my studio,
577
00:25:25,959 --> 00:25:27,613
where he slept
many nights a week.
578
00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:29,223
He had two
or three places like that
579
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:31,225
that he could cadge in.
580
00:25:31,268 --> 00:25:33,662
During the 1939 World Fair,
581
00:25:33,706 --> 00:25:35,969
he slept in the Royal Scot.
582
00:25:36,012 --> 00:25:39,276
The expression "the real McCoy" is based on this fella.
583
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,190
[ Laughing ]
584
00:25:40,234 --> 00:25:42,149
[ Music playing ]
585
00:25:42,192 --> 00:25:44,934
PAULA:
One of my great experiences
586
00:25:44,978 --> 00:25:47,067
was going up
to the Apollo Theater
587
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:48,982
within those days
588
00:25:49,025 --> 00:25:50,374
to hear Louis Armstrong.
589
00:25:50,418 --> 00:25:51,854
And I've never heard
Louis Armstrong.
590
00:25:51,898 --> 00:25:55,031
And he had a 14-year old
591
00:25:55,075 --> 00:25:56,511
soloist on the program,
592
00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:58,078
named Ella Fitzgerald.
593
00:25:58,121 --> 00:26:01,124
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00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:22,885
AL: In 1931,
595
00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:26,236
I went to Tahiti
with my first wife,
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00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,455
Florence Hobby,
597
00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:30,153
whose stage name
was Flo Allen,
598
00:26:30,197 --> 00:26:32,329
and we stayed there
for a couple of months,
599
00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:34,941
and this very
romantic adventure
600
00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:36,769
broke up our marriage.
601
00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:40,947
I had a friend, a caricaturist,
602
00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:43,776
Miguel Covarrubias who was
living in Bali at the time,
603
00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:46,474
and we corresponded
quite often,
604
00:26:46,517 --> 00:26:48,084
and I was telling him
605
00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:50,217
after being in Tahiti
for about two months,
606
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:52,001
I found it to be terrible.
607
00:26:52,045 --> 00:26:54,787
It was a rum-running port,
corrupt,
608
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:56,789
horrible place to be, really.
609
00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:58,791
Food was awful
and pimply-faced,
610
00:26:58,834 --> 00:27:00,749
syphilitic natives.
611
00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:02,229
It was unbearable,
612
00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:04,057
and Miguel was writing
back to me,
613
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,842
telling me what a
wonderful place Bali was.
614
00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:09,018
So I said,
"When you leave,
615
00:27:09,062 --> 00:27:10,846
leave the bicycle, and plates,
616
00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:13,544
and everything else, and
I'll make it there somehow."
617
00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:16,112
He did.
He left his bicycle, dishes,
618
00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:17,461
and it was very easy for me
619
00:27:17,505 --> 00:27:20,029
when I arrived
some months later.
620
00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:23,076
[ Music playing ]
621
00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:28,342
AL: Everything that Covarrubias
had told me
622
00:27:28,385 --> 00:27:30,823
came to be true.
623
00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:33,695
The music was sophisticated,
624
00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,958
marvelous, gamelan orchestras,
625
00:27:36,002 --> 00:27:37,960
disciplined dancers,
626
00:27:38,004 --> 00:27:39,048
wonderful food.
627
00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:40,528
It was paradise, actually.
628
00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:42,791
[ Music playing ]
629
00:27:42,835 --> 00:27:45,533
PAULA: When he went
to the Far East,
630
00:27:45,576 --> 00:27:49,319
he saw this
unbelievably strong light,
631
00:27:49,363 --> 00:27:52,279
and he understood the line,
632
00:27:52,322 --> 00:27:54,237
the black line.
633
00:27:54,281 --> 00:27:57,284
[ Music playing ]
634
00:28:00,548 --> 00:28:03,986
AL: I have discovered that
I think in line so vividly
635
00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:08,164
that when I paint,
I'm thinking of drawing.
636
00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:10,950
I mean, it's not accidental
that the great graphic artists
637
00:28:10,993 --> 00:28:12,386
come from the Far East --
638
00:28:12,429 --> 00:28:13,735
Japan, China,
639
00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:15,476
they're all graphic artists.
640
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,392
And in those countries, the sun bleaches the color out,
641
00:28:18,435 --> 00:28:20,742
so that leaves
everything in line.
642
00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:22,962
It's all light and shadow,
643
00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:26,226
and the shadow is pure
as black and white.
644
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:27,575
MAN: I know he admires
645
00:28:27,618 --> 00:28:30,230
the great Japanese
woodblock artists
646
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:31,666
who were also masters of line,
647
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:33,363
people like Utamaro.
648
00:28:33,407 --> 00:28:35,104
But Utamaro, for instance,
wasn't really interested
649
00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:36,453
in making portraits of people.
650
00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:38,325
His were kind
of idealized visions
651
00:28:38,368 --> 00:28:40,936
of beautiful women.
652
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:42,503
I was running out
of money then.
653
00:28:42,546 --> 00:28:43,547
I had-- well, running out.
654
00:28:43,591 --> 00:28:45,549
I didn't have any
when I started.
655
00:28:45,593 --> 00:28:48,378
But I didn't know how
I was gonna get off the island.
656
00:28:48,422 --> 00:28:50,685
I had been there
for about a year,
657
00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:53,993
and Chaplin arrived
with his brother Sydney.
658
00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:55,734
Charlie Chaplin.
659
00:28:55,777 --> 00:29:01,087
And I had drawn him before in his earlier movie for Pathé.
660
00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:04,220
Well, he bought
a lot of watercolors of mine,
661
00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:08,747
which managed to pay my fare
back to the United States.
662
00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:11,880
I don't know how I would've
gotten back without that.
663
00:29:11,924 --> 00:29:15,492
WOMAN:
♪ Nothin' but blue skies♪
664
00:29:15,536 --> 00:29:18,757
♪ From now on♪
665
00:29:22,935 --> 00:29:25,502
Al's strength
666
00:29:25,546 --> 00:29:27,156
came early on
when he went to Bali,
667
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,507
and he found this
floodlight of sun,
668
00:29:30,551 --> 00:29:32,248
and I don't think
he could capture it again
669
00:29:32,292 --> 00:29:33,728
until he came to the theater.
670
00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:35,686
The theater is after--
totally artificial.
671
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:39,038
I mean, the light comes up
from the klieg lights,
672
00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:41,475
and the footlights,
and the spotlights,
673
00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:43,303
and there's nothing
natural at all.
674
00:29:43,346 --> 00:29:45,522
In fact, he has said to me,
and I say he's said
675
00:29:45,566 --> 00:29:47,568
to other people that nature
is really terrific,
676
00:29:47,611 --> 00:29:48,917
but he wouldn't wanna
live there.
677
00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:51,964
[ Music playing ]
678
00:29:55,445 --> 00:29:57,056
Daumier is--
if you think of him
679
00:29:57,099 --> 00:29:58,840
as sort of the quintessential
Parisian caricaturist
680
00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,581
of the 19th century,
681
00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:03,105
was an artist who's primarily
concerned with realism,
682
00:30:03,149 --> 00:30:04,541
social protests,
683
00:30:04,585 --> 00:30:05,847
and I think
that Al Hirschfeld's work,
684
00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:07,414
not as a tool of
social protest,
685
00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:08,937
but his way
of drawing our attention
686
00:30:08,981 --> 00:30:10,417
to the remarkable
687
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:12,332
and distinctive personalities
of our time
688
00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:15,596
and fixing them
in some highly stylized form,
689
00:30:15,639 --> 00:30:16,597
that enables us
690
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,295
to remember them forever.
691
00:30:19,339 --> 00:30:21,950
You think of Hirschfeld
as being one of the very small
692
00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:23,125
and happy band,
693
00:30:23,169 --> 00:30:24,648
there's David Levine,
694
00:30:24,692 --> 00:30:27,129
there's Ronald Searle
in England,
695
00:30:27,173 --> 00:30:30,524
to some degree Ralph Steadman,
in a much, much darker vein.
696
00:30:30,567 --> 00:30:32,787
There's Covarrubias
697
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,442
in the beginning of the century
of the-- in the '20s and '30s.
698
00:30:35,485 --> 00:30:38,793
I suspect that the kind of key
moment for Hirschfeld
699
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:43,189
was when he saw Covarrubias'
caricatures forVanity Fair,
700
00:30:43,232 --> 00:30:45,887
and saw the caricature didn't just have to be a kind of crude
701
00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:47,758
knockabout political humor,
702
00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:49,456
but could be something
that was immensely
703
00:30:49,499 --> 00:30:51,545
stylish and advanced.
704
00:30:51,588 --> 00:30:54,113
So I think that Covarrubias
is probably the kind of
705
00:30:54,156 --> 00:30:55,592
the ghost in the machine,
706
00:30:55,636 --> 00:30:59,335
the presiding spirit
of Hirschfeld's work.
707
00:30:59,379 --> 00:31:01,250
AL:
Well, Covarrubias and I had--
708
00:31:01,294 --> 00:31:04,253
at one point,
shared a studio together,
709
00:31:04,297 --> 00:31:06,908
and he was certainly
a great influence on me.
710
00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:09,389
And then later
there was Johnny Held.
711
00:31:09,432 --> 00:31:11,913
He was the first one
to use the thin line,
712
00:31:11,957 --> 00:31:14,524
actually,
he and Laurence Fellows.
713
00:31:14,568 --> 00:31:18,877
Some other artists out there
were Al Frueh, Sam Norkin,
714
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,574
who imitated me.
715
00:31:20,617 --> 00:31:22,141
[ Laughing ]
716
00:31:22,184 --> 00:31:23,577
No.
717
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:25,971
My work
is not in Sardi's Restaurant.
718
00:31:28,408 --> 00:31:30,453
MAN: Well,
I think Al really comes out
719
00:31:30,497 --> 00:31:35,458
of sort of two sources, one is Aubrey Beardsley.
720
00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:37,765
Aubrey Beardsley
was a great Edwardian artist.
721
00:31:37,808 --> 00:31:40,028
The other, really,
is Max Beerbohm.
722
00:31:40,072 --> 00:31:41,812
Max Beerbohm
was a terrific caricaturist
723
00:31:41,856 --> 00:31:43,205
of the Victorian Era
724
00:31:43,249 --> 00:31:45,120
who lasted well into the '50s.
725
00:31:45,164 --> 00:31:47,209
He used to do things
like "The Old Self
726
00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:49,820
Meets the Young Self",
and he would have H.G. Wells
727
00:31:49,864 --> 00:31:52,606
in his 20s meeting H.G. Wells
in his 60s,
728
00:31:52,649 --> 00:31:54,477
and the young H.G. Wells
would say,
729
00:31:54,521 --> 00:31:57,306
"All gone according to plan,
I see."
730
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:59,569
You know, and Al would do
the same thing, in a way,
731
00:31:59,613 --> 00:32:00,919
he'll take two people
732
00:32:00,962 --> 00:32:02,181
who look more or less alike
733
00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:04,574
and have them share
the same eye,
734
00:32:04,618 --> 00:32:07,316
or he'll invent a position
735
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,623
for a character to be
in that he or she
736
00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:13,105
was never in, in order to show
his design sense.
737
00:32:13,148 --> 00:32:16,151
[ Music playing ]
738
00:32:46,225 --> 00:32:49,228
[ Singing in foreign language ]
739
00:32:52,666 --> 00:32:53,972
DOLLY: When I met Al,
740
00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:56,191
I said,
"I don't know who did it."
741
00:32:56,235 --> 00:33:00,239
But I saw a wonderful
drawing of Chaplin.
742
00:33:00,282 --> 00:33:02,241
I think it was
in The New Yorker.
743
00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:04,547
"It was in The Times,"
he said.
744
00:33:04,591 --> 00:33:05,896
"And I did it."
745
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:07,594
Well, we were enchanted
with each other
746
00:33:07,637 --> 00:33:09,117
when we first met, yes.
747
00:33:09,161 --> 00:33:11,902
She was an extremely well-known actress in Europe.
748
00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:13,469
She was a big star in Europe.
749
00:33:13,513 --> 00:33:16,516
[ Music playing ]
750
00:33:19,954 --> 00:33:21,912
AL: She made "Broken Blossoms"
in London,
751
00:33:21,956 --> 00:33:24,393
which was a very popular
movie here.
752
00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:26,134
DOLLY: He came to do
a drawing of me
753
00:33:26,178 --> 00:33:28,658
while I was doing
"Summer Stock."
754
00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:31,226
AL: She was doing a play
called "Her Cardboard Lover."
755
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:33,837
I went backstage,
which I rarely do.
756
00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:37,624
I met her, and I invited her
to have a coffee.
757
00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:41,019
Dolly and I
decided to get married,
758
00:33:41,062 --> 00:33:43,673
and we were on our way down
to the city hall
759
00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:45,762
to get a license,
760
00:33:45,806 --> 00:33:48,026
and it occurred to me
on the way down,
761
00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:50,158
I said to Dolly,
762
00:33:50,202 --> 00:33:54,902
"I'm not sure
that I am divorced, you know."
763
00:33:54,945 --> 00:33:56,773
She said, "Well, you better find out, you know."
764
00:33:56,817 --> 00:33:59,254
So, we got out of the cab,
765
00:33:59,298 --> 00:34:01,735
I phoned my ex-wife,
766
00:34:01,778 --> 00:34:04,303
and I said,
"Flo, are we divorced?"
767
00:34:04,346 --> 00:34:06,087
And she said, "No."
768
00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:08,829
I said, "Well, I'm on my way
to get a marriage license."
769
00:34:08,872 --> 00:34:11,310
She said, "Well,
better get a divorce first."
770
00:34:11,353 --> 00:34:13,747
So, that was that.
771
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:20,058
Well, I met Dolly and Al
because we were neighbors.
772
00:34:20,101 --> 00:34:23,713
I have a house,
three houses up from them,
773
00:34:23,757 --> 00:34:26,368
and I always thought of Dolly
774
00:34:26,412 --> 00:34:29,154
as a friend
of my mother's generation,
775
00:34:29,197 --> 00:34:30,807
of my mother's world,
776
00:34:30,851 --> 00:34:32,287
being German,
777
00:34:32,331 --> 00:34:35,638
being a famous, famous
performer in Germany.
778
00:34:35,682 --> 00:34:38,598
Dolly was already a star
long before Dietrich was,
779
00:34:38,641 --> 00:34:40,991
although Dietrich
wouldn't like to admit that.
780
00:34:41,035 --> 00:34:43,255
My mother
never understood Dolly.
781
00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:46,562
But then that's easy
to understand.
782
00:34:46,606 --> 00:34:51,611
Dietrich never could understand good people.
783
00:34:56,006 --> 00:34:59,923
Dolly fulfilled the function
that great wives sometimes do
784
00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:01,360
with their husbands.
785
00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:03,797
She made it possible for him
to concentrate
786
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,973
entirely on what he was doing
787
00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:07,888
all day long
in that barber's chair
788
00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:09,846
that he worked
in upstairs and had--
789
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:11,239
had nothing to do
790
00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:12,501
with the running
of the household,
791
00:35:12,545 --> 00:35:14,024
and so on and so forth.
792
00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:16,418
Dolly took care
of all of those measures.
793
00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:18,986
AL: Dolly you wanna come here,
take a look at this, will you?
794
00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:20,335
Anything I left out or...
795
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:23,077
DOLLY: I miss...
just a shade.
796
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,165
Where?
Here?
797
00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,341
Mm-hmm,
altogether on her...
798
00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:30,040
dress.
799
00:35:32,391 --> 00:35:34,001
No?
800
00:35:34,044 --> 00:35:35,133
Yeah.
801
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,180
Except she wears white,
that's so difficult to do,
802
00:35:39,224 --> 00:35:41,139
I could... yeah.
803
00:35:41,182 --> 00:35:43,402
I have her approval
because I have a tendency
804
00:35:43,445 --> 00:35:46,448
to go overboard a lot and...
805
00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:49,364
she straightens me out
every now and then,
806
00:35:49,408 --> 00:35:51,540
and tells me what to--
807
00:35:51,584 --> 00:35:52,976
this doesn't look like
the person
808
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:54,717
or if it's too exaggerated
809
00:35:54,761 --> 00:35:57,459
or doesn't communicate.
810
00:35:57,503 --> 00:35:58,939
And that's very helpful.
811
00:36:00,897 --> 00:36:02,943
I listen to her very carefully.
812
00:36:02,986 --> 00:36:05,206
[ Chuckling ]
813
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:08,731
[ Music playing ]
814
00:36:08,775 --> 00:36:11,430
MAN: Zealous shows
to remind us of our heritage
815
00:36:11,473 --> 00:36:13,997
and the fighting origin
of this nation.
816
00:36:14,041 --> 00:36:15,912
The greatest production
of them all,
817
00:36:15,956 --> 00:36:18,698
the audience
is highly selective.
818
00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:20,656
WOMAN: ♪ We'll be singing♪
819
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:22,615
♪ Hallelujah♪
820
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:26,662
♪ Marching through Berlin♪
821
00:36:26,706 --> 00:36:28,621
♪ We'll be singing♪
822
00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:30,666
♪ Hallelujah♪
823
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:34,583
♪ Marching through Berlin♪
824
00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:36,846
♪ Marching through... ♪
825
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:39,893
♪ Berlin...♪
826
00:36:42,417 --> 00:36:45,420
[ Crowd cheering ]
827
00:36:50,425 --> 00:36:53,428
[ Music playing ]
828
00:36:56,823 --> 00:36:59,869
ALL:
♪ There is nothing like a dame♪
829
00:36:59,913 --> 00:37:03,699
♪ Nothing in the world♪
830
00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:05,875
ARTHUR:
The theater was throbbing
831
00:37:05,919 --> 00:37:07,703
with glamour and excitement
832
00:37:07,747 --> 00:37:09,183
every night of the week,
833
00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:12,273
there was a opening
of a musical
834
00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:13,970
or a play by the--
835
00:37:14,014 --> 00:37:16,234
by the cream of the cream.
836
00:37:16,277 --> 00:37:19,280
Rodgers and Hammerstein,
Cole Porter,
837
00:37:19,324 --> 00:37:21,108
they were all there,
838
00:37:21,151 --> 00:37:22,370
there was no page,
839
00:37:22,414 --> 00:37:24,590
no drama page anywhere
840
00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:27,245
that sparkled the way ours did.
841
00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:32,685
This was the time
of Katharine Cornell,
842
00:37:32,728 --> 00:37:35,165
Ethel Merman,
843
00:37:35,209 --> 00:37:37,342
Helen Hayes,
844
00:37:37,385 --> 00:37:40,475
of course, a Lynn Fontanne
845
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:41,781
who prided herself
846
00:37:41,824 --> 00:37:45,088
on this glorious swan's neck
847
00:37:45,132 --> 00:37:47,134
was delighted when Al
848
00:37:47,177 --> 00:37:49,702
would draw the neck
849
00:37:49,745 --> 00:37:53,009
and make it as long
as it could be,
850
00:37:53,053 --> 00:37:59,189
'cause Al sometimes did offend
an actor,
851
00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:01,714
and actors of-- are,
852
00:38:01,757 --> 00:38:04,456
you know, they're-- some of them are primadonnas,
853
00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:07,154
and they would complain
and say they wouldn't go on,
854
00:38:07,197 --> 00:38:10,157
there were histrionics
and tears,
855
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,202
and this would be conveyed
856
00:38:12,246 --> 00:38:14,727
by the producers
and the theater owners
857
00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:17,295
to the publisher,
and it stopped there.
858
00:38:17,338 --> 00:38:22,256
AL: I had one difficult period, I made a drawing of a dancer,
859
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,171
I forget his name,
it seemed to me it'd be
860
00:38:24,214 --> 00:38:25,912
a reasonable drawing,
861
00:38:25,955 --> 00:38:27,957
very realistic,
and they had some
862
00:38:28,001 --> 00:38:30,220
kind of gaiety to it,
and movement,
863
00:38:30,264 --> 00:38:32,832
and...
864
00:38:32,875 --> 00:38:34,094
but he took umbrage at it
865
00:38:34,137 --> 00:38:36,314
and threatened
to leave the show,
866
00:38:36,357 --> 00:38:37,793
now the show
was threatening
867
00:38:37,837 --> 00:38:39,491
to pull all our
advertising out,
868
00:38:39,534 --> 00:38:41,188
of theTimes.
869
00:38:41,231 --> 00:38:45,627
He just raised hell
about that drawing,
870
00:38:45,671 --> 00:38:48,151
and...
but I must say The Times
871
00:38:48,195 --> 00:38:49,675
paid no attention to it.
872
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,852
I feel with age
873
00:38:52,895 --> 00:38:56,159
instead of becoming
more of a curmudgeon
874
00:38:56,203 --> 00:38:57,987
he became more benign.
875
00:38:58,031 --> 00:39:00,250
AL: As a matter of fact,
it's very difficult to offend
876
00:39:00,294 --> 00:39:02,470
anybody anymore,
877
00:39:02,514 --> 00:39:04,211
it's almost impossible.
878
00:39:04,254 --> 00:39:08,084
I did a drawing of Merrick,
producer, David Merrick.
879
00:39:08,128 --> 00:39:11,392
And not one
of my favorite characters,
880
00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:15,178
and I had him as Santa Claus,
881
00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:17,964
snaffletooth with a bell,
book, and candle,
882
00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:20,967
and I made it
about as vicious as I could,
883
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:25,972
and Merrick bought the drawing
and used it as a Christmas card.
884
00:39:26,015 --> 00:39:27,669
So,
885
00:39:27,713 --> 00:39:31,412
the days of winding up
in the clink are over.
886
00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:33,719
Brooks Atkinson
887
00:39:33,762 --> 00:39:35,677
was the conscience
888
00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:37,723
of our theatrical times,
889
00:39:37,766 --> 00:39:40,552
and he wasn't going
to let anyone
890
00:39:40,595 --> 00:39:44,294
change Al's tone
or his art.
891
00:39:44,338 --> 00:39:47,036
Atkinson had great respect
and regard for my drawings,
892
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,777
as I did for his writing,
893
00:39:48,821 --> 00:39:50,953
it would never occur to me
to tell him how to write,
894
00:39:50,997 --> 00:39:53,434
and it never occurred to him
to tell me how to draw.
895
00:39:53,478 --> 00:39:56,306
MAN: Al went to the--
to the rehearsals
896
00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:57,917
to do his drawings,
897
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,963
and, of course, Brooks
went on the opening night.
898
00:40:01,007 --> 00:40:02,791
He was totally on his own.
899
00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:03,792
Hey, Morton.
900
00:40:03,836 --> 00:40:05,359
Are we making a change?
901
00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,361
Yes, Dick and Oscar
wanna move this song
902
00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:08,928
out of the first act.
903
00:40:08,971 --> 00:40:11,757
Now you're going to sing
it to your sister
904
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,759
just before our wedding.
905
00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:16,675
He did the drawings
before the reviews appeared.
906
00:40:16,718 --> 00:40:18,241
So he never knew
907
00:40:18,285 --> 00:40:21,462
what Brooks Atkinson
was going to write.
908
00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:24,944
♪ I want you♪
909
00:40:24,987 --> 00:40:27,816
♪ You know who♪
910
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:30,776
People say to me, "Well,
you've seen so many shows,
911
00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:33,779
can't you tell whether
it's going to be a hit or not?"
912
00:40:33,822 --> 00:40:35,171
And I always tell them no,
913
00:40:35,215 --> 00:40:36,912
and I have a classic story
on that,
914
00:40:36,956 --> 00:40:41,526
a show opened in New Haven,
a thing called "Away We Go."
915
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:43,702
And after the show,
916
00:40:43,745 --> 00:40:45,704
Lawrence Langner,
who was the co-producer,
917
00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:48,228
he was at the Theater Guild,
918
00:40:48,271 --> 00:40:49,838
asked me to meet him for a--
919
00:40:49,882 --> 00:40:51,623
have a cup of coffee
with him in Taft's Hotel--
920
00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:53,755
and so there was Billy Rose
921
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:55,061
and Mike Todd together,
922
00:40:55,104 --> 00:40:57,150
and then Lawrence Langner said,
923
00:40:57,193 --> 00:40:59,544
"Now, I ask you, fellas."
924
00:40:59,587 --> 00:41:03,156
He's -- to level with me,
he said, "I'm tone deaf.
925
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,245
I don't know anything
about musicals."
926
00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:08,074
And this is absolutely
bankrupting
927
00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:09,510
the Theater Guild,
928
00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:11,033
and "What do you fellas
think of it?"
929
00:41:11,077 --> 00:41:13,383
"Do you think it has a chance?" you know.
930
00:41:13,427 --> 00:41:17,257
There was a long quiet
descended on us,
931
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:21,304
and Mike Todd said,
"You want the truth, Lawrence?"
932
00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:22,436
He said, "Yes."
933
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,178
He said,
"Well, if it was my show,
934
00:41:25,221 --> 00:41:27,310
I would close it,
935
00:41:27,354 --> 00:41:29,399
take your lumps, forget about it,
936
00:41:29,443 --> 00:41:31,271
you know, just close it,
don't open in Boston,
937
00:41:31,314 --> 00:41:33,186
you don't have a chance."
938
00:41:33,229 --> 00:41:34,753
And Billy said,
"Now, wait a minute,
939
00:41:34,796 --> 00:41:37,625
there's a couple tunes
in there that are not bad.
940
00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:38,626
I would open it.
941
00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:40,323
Rearrange the thing and so on."
942
00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:41,934
I came back toThe Times
943
00:41:41,977 --> 00:41:43,588
and told Brooks that I didn't
think it might be--
944
00:41:43,631 --> 00:41:45,241
it might not come in, you know,
945
00:41:45,285 --> 00:41:47,592
it looked like it was
going to close in New Haven.
946
00:41:47,635 --> 00:41:51,291
And Ziegfeld Folly
was opening the same week,
947
00:41:51,334 --> 00:41:52,901
and I went up to Boston
948
00:41:52,945 --> 00:41:56,209
the following day
to do the Follies,
949
00:41:56,252 --> 00:41:58,516
and I thought that was
terrible, it was just awful,
950
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,518
and on my way out,
951
00:42:00,561 --> 00:42:03,085
the press agent for the guild
952
00:42:03,129 --> 00:42:05,914
said, "Change the title
to 'Oklahoma'."
953
00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:07,960
He said then,
"That's not bad."
954
00:42:08,003 --> 00:42:09,135
Now, we go to that opening
955
00:42:09,178 --> 00:42:11,224
and the first song in the show
956
00:42:11,267 --> 00:42:12,965
was the song
that ended the first act
957
00:42:13,008 --> 00:42:14,270
and now started it,
958
00:42:14,314 --> 00:42:17,099
it was, "Oh, What a Beautiful Morning."
959
00:42:17,143 --> 00:42:21,060
And you realized that you're in the presence of a-- of a hit,
960
00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:23,323
it's unbelievable with a--
961
00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:26,239
it's that kind
of trenched insanity
962
00:42:26,282 --> 00:42:27,588
that takes place,
963
00:42:27,632 --> 00:42:28,807
no one can predict it,
964
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:30,156
you know, no one.
965
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,943
♪ Everything's going my way♪
966
00:42:34,987 --> 00:42:36,205
AL: I remember sitting up
967
00:42:36,249 --> 00:42:37,685
until about 3:00
in the morning
968
00:42:37,729 --> 00:42:40,079
with Moss Hart,
trying to talk him out
969
00:42:40,122 --> 00:42:43,125
of doing "My Fair Lady".
970
00:42:43,169 --> 00:42:44,866
I said, "You must be out
of your head
971
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:49,305
and try to do "Pygmalion",
which is a marvelous story,
972
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:52,613
and they just finished
the movie with Wendy Hiller,
973
00:42:52,657 --> 00:42:54,310
great movie...
974
00:42:54,354 --> 00:42:56,225
I said, "How are you going
to improve on that
975
00:42:56,269 --> 00:42:58,140
by having somebody do a dance
or sing a song?
976
00:42:58,184 --> 00:42:59,925
I mean, it's so crazy."
977
00:42:59,968 --> 00:43:01,491
And he said,
"Well, I don't know.
978
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:05,191
I got a point of view about it,
and-- so that was that,
979
00:43:05,234 --> 00:43:07,019
now we go to that opening,
980
00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:09,978
and I said to Dolly, my wife,
981
00:43:10,022 --> 00:43:11,197
"You know, if you really believe
in something,
982
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,677
in a musical,
983
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,506
you can write a musical
about an ashtray, you know."
984
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:18,639
Playwrights are made in heaven,
985
00:43:18,683 --> 00:43:20,249
I mean, you cannot--
986
00:43:20,293 --> 00:43:22,034
you cannot just say,
"I'm gonna write a play."
987
00:43:22,077 --> 00:43:24,863
You can't drop a stitch
when you're having a good play.
988
00:43:24,906 --> 00:43:28,127
Once the people go like this,
forget it, you've lost them.
989
00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:30,608
AL: How on earth I got
involved in creating a play
990
00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:34,263
is beyond any form
of rational thinking.
991
00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:37,397
True, my collaborators
were the best in the business.
992
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,530
I wrote a play
with S.J. Perelman,
993
00:43:40,574 --> 00:43:42,707
Vernon Duke did the music,
994
00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:45,057
Ogden Nash wrote the lyrics,
995
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:47,929
Boris Aronson
designed the sets,
996
00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:49,104
disaster,
997
00:43:49,148 --> 00:43:50,845
absolute disaster.
998
00:43:52,542 --> 00:43:54,544
The show folded
in Philadelphia,
999
00:43:54,588 --> 00:43:56,590
and we had to leave
the country,
1000
00:43:56,634 --> 00:44:00,899
that's how S.J. Perelman and I
happen to go around the world.
1001
00:44:00,942 --> 00:44:03,162
We came back
about nine months later,
1002
00:44:03,205 --> 00:44:06,121
and all was forgiven by then.
1003
00:44:06,165 --> 00:44:08,123
Al should never try
to write a play,
1004
00:44:08,167 --> 00:44:09,951
with all due respect,
1005
00:44:09,995 --> 00:44:12,693
you know, shoemaker should
stick to his last,
1006
00:44:12,737 --> 00:44:15,261
everybody has to stick
to what they can do best.
1007
00:44:15,304 --> 00:44:17,698
Next to a sonnet, it's the
most difficult art form
1008
00:44:17,742 --> 00:44:19,395
to write a good play.
1009
00:44:19,439 --> 00:44:22,268
PHILIP: Almost any image we have of S.J. Perelman
1010
00:44:22,311 --> 00:44:24,270
the humorist and writer
1011
00:44:24,313 --> 00:44:29,710
comes from caricatures
that Al has done of him.
1012
00:44:29,754 --> 00:44:32,147
You get him
in all kinds of moods,
1013
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:35,847
the observation is fabulous.
1014
00:44:37,762 --> 00:44:41,940
I think he was a kind of
balance wheel for Syd.
1015
00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:44,159
Sid would go into depression,
1016
00:44:44,203 --> 00:44:46,858
and then he would become
very excited,
1017
00:44:46,901 --> 00:44:50,775
and I've never seen Al
go very far off-course,
1018
00:44:50,818 --> 00:44:53,038
he's a pretty steady pilot.
1019
00:44:53,081 --> 00:44:54,692
[ Indistinct chatter ]
1020
00:44:54,735 --> 00:44:58,260
When I first joined
the drama department,
1021
00:44:58,304 --> 00:45:02,308
Al always was on top of
page one of the drama section.
1022
00:45:02,351 --> 00:45:04,745
We always thought
our competitors
1023
00:45:04,789 --> 00:45:06,486
a little further downtown
1024
00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:08,836
at theHerald Tribune
were eating their hearts out
1025
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,664
because we had Al.
1026
00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:11,883
Al was ours.
1027
00:45:11,926 --> 00:45:13,232
[ Music playing ]
1028
00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:14,407
[ Car honking ]
1029
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:16,104
WOMAN: Brooke's acting again.
1030
00:45:16,148 --> 00:45:17,932
She's a critic, for heaven's
sakes.
1031
00:45:17,976 --> 00:45:20,979
MAN: Hirschfeld was really a--
1032
00:45:21,022 --> 00:45:24,330
he always felt he stood
side by side with us,
1033
00:45:24,373 --> 00:45:26,158
on the other side
of the footlights.
1034
00:45:26,201 --> 00:45:28,421
-Yes?
-MAN: Five minutes, please.
1035
00:45:28,464 --> 00:45:30,292
Thank you.
1036
00:45:30,336 --> 00:45:31,946
Dim the curtain lights.
1037
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:36,037
Curtain.
1038
00:45:37,909 --> 00:45:40,912
[ Applause ]
1039
00:45:48,093 --> 00:45:51,096
[ Music playing ]
1040
00:45:52,532 --> 00:45:55,665
AL: I made a lot of home movies,
1041
00:45:55,709 --> 00:45:59,800
and I made a film
in Siam
1042
00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:02,194
of a Balinese dancer,
1043
00:46:02,237 --> 00:46:05,066
and the Princess Poon
1044
00:46:05,110 --> 00:46:06,459
allowed me to photograph
1045
00:46:06,502 --> 00:46:09,375
two of the royal dancers.
1046
00:46:09,418 --> 00:46:11,986
They were sewn
into the costumes,
1047
00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:14,380
and I thought
this would be very helpful
1048
00:46:14,423 --> 00:46:16,643
to Rodgers and Hammerstein,
1049
00:46:16,686 --> 00:46:18,819
I know were doing a musical
about Siam,
1050
00:46:18,863 --> 00:46:22,649
and I called Dick Rogers,
told him about it,
1051
00:46:22,692 --> 00:46:25,521
and both Rodgers
and Hammerstein came here
1052
00:46:25,565 --> 00:46:27,654
with a set designer,
1053
00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:30,222
and I ran the film
off for them,
1054
00:46:30,265 --> 00:46:31,919
and they were
very grateful for it,
1055
00:46:31,963 --> 00:46:35,053
because I don't think it's ever been photographed before.
1056
00:46:35,096 --> 00:46:38,099
[ Music playing ]
1057
00:46:44,497 --> 00:46:46,499
You stay there.
I wanna see what happens
1058
00:46:46,542 --> 00:46:47,892
when you kneel down
1059
00:46:47,935 --> 00:46:49,719
and look under
Mrs. Anders' skirt.
1060
00:46:49,763 --> 00:46:51,199
Take it from
your bow to the king.
1061
00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:54,202
Yeah, but look up-- look up.
You're interested
1062
00:46:54,246 --> 00:46:58,163
in what's going on
under that big hoopskirt, good.
1063
00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:02,820
[ Music playing ]
1064
00:47:08,129 --> 00:47:10,218
♪ When you see a Joe♪
1065
00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:12,655
♪ Saving half of his dough♪
1066
00:47:12,699 --> 00:47:17,312
♪ You can bet, they'll be
minkin' it for some doll.♪
1067
00:47:17,356 --> 00:47:19,314
She makes me nervous
to see her sitting there
1068
00:47:19,358 --> 00:47:21,316
sucking on them pigtails.
1069
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,796
WOMAN: Braids.
1070
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,232
Furthermore, there's no use
our discussing
1071
00:47:24,276 --> 00:47:25,755
a certain party.
1072
00:47:34,503 --> 00:47:37,332
I ask you, sir,
what sort of word is that?
1073
00:47:37,376 --> 00:47:38,943
MAN:
♪ It's "aoow"♪
1074
00:47:38,986 --> 00:47:41,684
♪ And "gaarn" that
keep her in her place♪
1075
00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:43,077
♪ Not her wretched clothes♪
1076
00:47:43,121 --> 00:47:44,687
♪ And dirty face♪
1077
00:47:44,731 --> 00:47:47,734
[ Music playing ]
1078
00:47:51,956 --> 00:47:53,044
MAN: ♪ Boy, boy♪
1079
00:47:53,087 --> 00:47:54,915
♪ Crazy boy♪
1080
00:47:54,959 --> 00:47:57,352
♪ Stay loose, boy♪
1081
00:47:57,396 --> 00:48:00,312
♪ Breeze it,
buzz it, easy does it♪
1082
00:48:00,355 --> 00:48:02,749
♪ Turn off the juice, boy♪
1083
00:48:03,968 --> 00:48:06,666
Oh, that's-- oh, that's grandpa.
1084
00:48:06,709 --> 00:48:08,668
-Grandpa?
-That's my grandpa.
1085
00:48:08,711 --> 00:48:09,930
Grandpa drew that,
1086
00:48:09,974 --> 00:48:12,498
see that's grandpa's name,
1087
00:48:12,541 --> 00:48:15,936
and that's Luciano Pavarotti.
1088
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:18,286
And he puts mommy's name
in here,
1089
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:21,899
and grandpa's gonna tell you
where it is,
1090
00:48:21,942 --> 00:48:23,074
but there it is.
1091
00:48:23,117 --> 00:48:24,989
-AL: That's right.
-NINA: There, see.
1092
00:48:25,032 --> 00:48:27,165
N-I-N-A,
1093
00:48:27,208 --> 00:48:29,863
he's been putting my name
in his drawing
1094
00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:32,213
ever since I was born.
1095
00:48:32,257 --> 00:48:35,608
AL: Well, it started off as a very innocent little gesture.
1096
00:48:35,651 --> 00:48:37,784
To herald her appearance
on the Earth,
1097
00:48:37,827 --> 00:48:41,614
and I didn't realize
that anybody knew about it,
1098
00:48:41,657 --> 00:48:44,747
and when I stopped after
about two or three weeks,
1099
00:48:44,791 --> 00:48:46,140
letters came in,
1100
00:48:46,184 --> 00:48:47,794
and I discovered
1101
00:48:47,837 --> 00:48:51,058
in the engraving department
at the New York Times,
1102
00:48:51,102 --> 00:48:53,800
they were betting
on who could find the Ninas,
1103
00:48:53,843 --> 00:48:56,759
and then I got a letter that there ought to be some way
1104
00:48:56,803 --> 00:48:59,327
of identifying
how many there are
1105
00:48:59,371 --> 00:49:00,894
in the drawing.
1106
00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:04,637
So I put a number in
after my signature.
1107
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,641
Sometimes
when Al has an exhibition,
1108
00:49:08,684 --> 00:49:11,644
an entire family appears
1109
00:49:11,687 --> 00:49:16,997
from the smallest
three-or-four year old,
1110
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,086
to a great grandfather.
1111
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:23,264
I like finding the Ninas
because it's like a puzzle
1112
00:49:23,308 --> 00:49:24,744
inside of a painting.
1113
00:49:24,787 --> 00:49:25,745
So it's always a challenge.
1114
00:49:25,788 --> 00:49:27,051
[ Laughing ]
1115
00:49:27,094 --> 00:49:28,661
♪ Nina, Nina, me,
myself and I♪
1116
00:49:28,704 --> 00:49:30,706
♪ Oh, how you stick with us ♪
1117
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:35,015
♪ Nina, Nina, can you tell us
why you're so ubiquitous ♪
1118
00:49:35,059 --> 00:49:38,627
♪ It is likely you have friends
in lofty places♪
1119
00:49:40,629 --> 00:49:42,327
♪ For I find your name
adorning♪
1120
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:45,591
♪ A famous faces♪
1121
00:49:45,634 --> 00:49:47,723
♪ That clothing and accessories
their friendly...♪
1122
00:49:47,767 --> 00:49:50,335
MAN: It's a signature,
it's a gimmick, it doesn't--
1123
00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:52,032
I don't feel one way
or the other about it,
1124
00:49:52,076 --> 00:49:53,947
in fact, I think,
if he had fewer Ninas,
1125
00:49:53,991 --> 00:49:55,557
people would take him
more seriously.
1126
00:49:55,601 --> 00:49:57,037
I think that's
part of the game,
1127
00:49:57,081 --> 00:49:58,343
it's like a crossword puzzle
1128
00:49:58,386 --> 00:50:01,302
that people look forward to.
1129
00:50:01,346 --> 00:50:03,652
MAN: Oh, I think you could
spot a Hirschfeld
1130
00:50:03,696 --> 00:50:05,306
a mile away,
1131
00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:07,961
and it isn't all just
because of that Nina business
1132
00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:11,225
that-- that's a diversion.
1133
00:50:11,269 --> 00:50:12,966
WOMAN: One time
1134
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:17,144
Al put the name
of Nina's best girlfriend
1135
00:50:17,188 --> 00:50:18,145
into the drawing,
1136
00:50:18,189 --> 00:50:19,755
and he got so many letters,
1137
00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:23,846
and congratulations,
having had a second child.
1138
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:25,152
But I can't stop it.
1139
00:50:25,196 --> 00:50:27,154
I don't know how to stop it,
but I've tried,
1140
00:50:27,198 --> 00:50:29,374
and the mail comes in,
1141
00:50:29,417 --> 00:50:30,592
and people discover Ninas,
1142
00:50:30,636 --> 00:50:31,811
where there aren't any,
you know,
1143
00:50:31,854 --> 00:50:33,204
I have to answer all that mail.
1144
00:50:33,247 --> 00:50:35,815
It's easier to put it in
than leave it out.
1145
00:50:35,858 --> 00:50:37,425
Go to Grandpa, okay?
1146
00:50:37,469 --> 00:50:39,297
-Where's Grandpa?
-He's in the kitchen
1147
00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:42,256
and ask for a little more
apple juice.
1148
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:44,519
I go back a long time,
1149
00:50:44,563 --> 00:50:47,522
you were three years old,
1150
00:50:47,566 --> 00:50:52,092
and I happened to play
in London
1151
00:50:52,136 --> 00:50:54,573
with Yul Brynner
in theLute Song,
1152
00:50:55,922 --> 00:50:59,404
and you didn't like
the word "rehearsal",
1153
00:50:59,447 --> 00:51:02,798
it separated us, my darling,
1154
00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:04,974
but we caught up.
1155
00:51:05,018 --> 00:51:06,541
NINA:
My parents were never home,
1156
00:51:06,585 --> 00:51:08,369
they were always out,
and when they were home,
1157
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:11,590
they'd have wonderful
dinner parties.
1158
00:51:11,633 --> 00:51:17,770
Everybody from Laurence Olivier to Barbra Streisand...
1159
00:51:17,813 --> 00:51:19,946
Louis Jourdan walked up
the stairs once,
1160
00:51:19,989 --> 00:51:21,948
and my best friend's name
was Liza
1161
00:51:21,991 --> 00:51:23,993
in high school,
and she fainted.
1162
00:51:26,518 --> 00:51:29,086
You know, just by being
my father's daughter,
1163
00:51:29,129 --> 00:51:32,785
and all the opportunities
that I feel I've had,
1164
00:51:32,828 --> 00:51:34,091
you know, I wanted
to be an actress
1165
00:51:34,134 --> 00:51:35,614
at one point in my life.
1166
00:51:35,657 --> 00:51:39,400
DOLLY: And she was well
on her way, but no.
1167
00:51:39,444 --> 00:51:42,708
Maybe her admiration
for Al's work
1168
00:51:42,751 --> 00:51:44,362
was such...
1169
00:51:44,405 --> 00:51:47,408
unbelievable attraction.
1170
00:51:47,452 --> 00:51:49,671
NINA: But people used to come
up to me, and they go,
1171
00:51:49,715 --> 00:51:51,325
"Oh, you're the Nina?"
1172
00:51:51,369 --> 00:51:54,154
And I'd go, "Yeah. Yeah."
1173
00:51:54,198 --> 00:51:57,201
[ Playing piano ]
1174
00:51:58,985 --> 00:52:00,291
DOLLY: No, I don't--
1175
00:52:00,334 --> 00:52:03,294
I don't think
it made Nina happy.
1176
00:52:03,337 --> 00:52:05,600
It's very, very difficult,
1177
00:52:05,644 --> 00:52:07,776
still is difficult at times.
1178
00:52:07,820 --> 00:52:09,735
The question
that I try to avoid,
1179
00:52:09,778 --> 00:52:11,954
she doesn't like it,
I don't think.
1180
00:52:11,998 --> 00:52:14,174
Because it's--
she's become a...
1181
00:52:16,568 --> 00:52:19,310
celebrity without having
1182
00:52:19,353 --> 00:52:21,399
done anything to accomplish it,
you know what I mean?
1183
00:52:21,442 --> 00:52:23,227
People say,
"Oh, you're the Nina?"
1184
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:24,837
And that's very tough
to take, you know.
1185
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,187
She's been taking that now
for 40 years,
1186
00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,233
and that's a--
1187
00:52:29,276 --> 00:52:31,931
but there's no way to stop it.
1188
00:52:31,974 --> 00:52:33,324
NINA: It's actually
1189
00:52:33,367 --> 00:52:36,501
been the happiest times
of my life,
1190
00:52:36,544 --> 00:52:39,982
because I have tried to do
all kinds of things on my own,
1191
00:52:40,026 --> 00:52:42,550
and the only things
I've ever really done
1192
00:52:42,594 --> 00:52:43,812
were have two children,
1193
00:52:43,856 --> 00:52:45,640
which is quite
an accomplishment.
1194
00:52:45,684 --> 00:52:47,468
Every time I've tried
to be independent,
1195
00:52:47,512 --> 00:52:50,732
I always wind up
coming back here,
1196
00:52:50,776 --> 00:52:52,125
which is very odd.
1197
00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:54,736
Most people wanna be
on their own no matter what,
1198
00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:56,999
and no matter where I go,
1199
00:52:57,043 --> 00:52:59,219
I always wind up
coming back here.
1200
00:52:59,263 --> 00:53:02,048
I've been looking
for my daddy all my life.
1201
00:53:02,091 --> 00:53:03,571
[ Laughing ]
1202
00:53:03,615 --> 00:53:05,225
I wish somebody
could answer that for me.
1203
00:53:05,269 --> 00:53:08,228
[ Music playing ]
1204
00:53:08,272 --> 00:53:09,403
Why do I say that?
1205
00:53:09,447 --> 00:53:11,927
Because I've never met
the right person.
1206
00:53:11,971 --> 00:53:13,625
Nobody's ever measured up.
1207
00:53:15,801 --> 00:53:18,195
I did-- I never married
the right person.
1208
00:53:26,942 --> 00:53:28,335
♪ Mr. Henkel♪
1209
00:53:28,379 --> 00:53:30,685
♪ This is Harvey Johnson♪
1210
00:53:30,729 --> 00:53:32,426
♪ Can I speak♪
1211
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:33,949
♪ To Penelope Ann?♪
1212
00:53:33,993 --> 00:53:35,342
PENELOPE:
♪ Is it true about Kim?♪
1213
00:53:35,386 --> 00:53:36,648
♪ Penelope?♪
1214
00:53:36,691 --> 00:53:38,040
PENELOPE:
♪ I just knew it somehow♪
1215
00:53:38,084 --> 00:53:39,433
MAN: ♪ About the prom♪
1216
00:53:39,477 --> 00:53:41,087
PENELOPE:
♪ I must call her right up♪
1217
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:43,176
♪ I can't talk to you now!♪
1218
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:46,135
Good girl.
1219
00:53:46,179 --> 00:53:49,487
[ Screaming ]
1220
00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:54,274
O, that this too too
solid flesh would melt, thaw,
1221
00:53:54,318 --> 00:53:56,407
and resolve itself into a dew.
1222
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:58,278
MAN: ♪ Whoa♪
1223
00:53:58,322 --> 00:54:00,672
♪ Lord♪
1224
00:54:00,715 --> 00:54:04,241
♪ I'm on my way♪
1225
00:54:04,284 --> 00:54:07,766
CHOIR: ♪ I'm on my way♪
1226
00:54:07,809 --> 00:54:11,944
♪ To a Heavenly Lan'♪
1227
00:54:13,337 --> 00:54:15,034
MAN: ♪ If I were a rich man♪
1228
00:54:15,077 --> 00:54:16,949
♪ You will boo, boo, boo, boo♪
1229
00:54:16,992 --> 00:54:20,213
♪ Will you voo, voo, voo, voo, voo, voo, voo, voo, voo, voom
♪
1230
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:23,956
♪ All day long I'd
vi , vi, vi, voom ♪
1231
00:54:23,999 --> 00:54:26,567
♪ If I were a wealthy man♪
1232
00:54:30,528 --> 00:54:33,531
[ Thunder clapping ]
1233
00:54:36,838 --> 00:54:38,275
Everybody has to make jumps
1234
00:54:38,318 --> 00:54:39,885
when you come
from one generation,
1235
00:54:39,928 --> 00:54:43,758
and he was moving
into this generation,
1236
00:54:43,802 --> 00:54:46,021
even though it was several
years already that the hippies
1237
00:54:46,065 --> 00:54:48,241
were all over the place around
here, down the village, and--
1238
00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:50,635
CHOIR: ♪ The age of Aquarius♪
1239
00:54:50,678 --> 00:54:56,031
♪ The age of Aquarius♪
1240
00:54:56,075 --> 00:55:01,559
♪ Aquarius...♪
1241
00:55:01,602 --> 00:55:06,303
♪ Aquarius♪
1242
00:55:06,346 --> 00:55:08,217
One trouble with Al's career
1243
00:55:08,261 --> 00:55:09,871
was that there was a period
whenThe Times decided
1244
00:55:09,915 --> 00:55:11,351
to use photographs.
1245
00:55:11,395 --> 00:55:13,440
There wasn't this
unbroken line.
1246
00:55:13,484 --> 00:55:14,920
I remember Sid Perelman,
1247
00:55:14,963 --> 00:55:17,270
who was a great friend
of Al Hirschfeld...
1248
00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:19,316
Al did a lot of drawings
for Sid's humorous books,
1249
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:21,056
and he said,
"Can't we do something?
1250
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,363
I mean, Al isn't appearing
in The Times every week."
1251
00:55:23,407 --> 00:55:25,365
Of course, he was right.
1252
00:55:25,409 --> 00:55:27,062
I think because people
didn't see his drawings
1253
00:55:27,106 --> 00:55:28,716
for a while,
they sort of lost touch
1254
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,458
with what Al is
and what he can do.
1255
00:55:31,502 --> 00:55:33,721
We used to get letters
by the hundreds where,
1256
00:55:33,765 --> 00:55:35,332
"What happened
to Al Hirschfeld?"
1257
00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:39,727
Because, you know, for a while,
he was fired from the job.
1258
00:55:39,771 --> 00:55:41,294
And Mr. Atkins is saying,
1259
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:42,817
"I mean, what is wrong with him?
1260
00:55:42,861 --> 00:55:45,254
Where's the-- there--?
1261
00:55:45,298 --> 00:55:47,387
He lost his senses
or something."
1262
00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:50,303
[ Percussion music ]
1263
00:55:53,567 --> 00:55:55,700
I really wasn't fired.
1264
00:55:55,743 --> 00:55:56,962
I don't know
what the reason was,
1265
00:55:57,005 --> 00:55:58,616
I don't--
1266
00:55:58,659 --> 00:56:02,576
I think a lot of people wrote in
and wanted to see the drawings
1267
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:05,187
and so they...
1268
00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:09,670
started asking me to do
drawings again.
1269
00:56:09,714 --> 00:56:11,759
I never had any...
1270
00:56:11,803 --> 00:56:13,674
iron-bound contract
with The Times,
1271
00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:17,461
and-- about two years ago, they asked me to sign a contract,
1272
00:56:17,504 --> 00:56:18,853
and I said,
"You must be kidding.
1273
00:56:18,897 --> 00:56:20,768
I mean, after all these years?"
1274
00:56:20,812 --> 00:56:23,510
After 70 years,
they wanted a contract,
1275
00:56:23,554 --> 00:56:25,817
and I signed it last year.
1276
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:27,296
It's kind of insanity.
1277
00:56:29,473 --> 00:56:31,953
[ Car honks ]
1278
00:56:31,997 --> 00:56:34,216
AL: Way back,
some 30 years ago,
1279
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:37,872
my gallery was the
Hammer Gallery on 57th Street,
1280
00:56:37,916 --> 00:56:40,962
one of the artists
was Ludwig Bemelmans.
1281
00:56:41,006 --> 00:56:43,965
When either of us
exhibited our work there,
1282
00:56:44,009 --> 00:56:46,577
it was as if we were
stalking horses,
1283
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:49,667
we would attract crowds
to come into the gallery,
1284
00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:52,583
and then the gallery would push the expensive pictures.
1285
00:56:52,626 --> 00:56:54,280
Ours were selling
for hundreds,
1286
00:56:54,323 --> 00:56:58,327
the others were selling
for hundreds of thousands.
1287
00:56:58,371 --> 00:57:00,199
A change was in order.
1288
00:57:02,114 --> 00:57:03,594
Well, almost 20 years ago,
1289
00:57:03,637 --> 00:57:05,160
he came to the gallery,
1290
00:57:05,204 --> 00:57:08,250
and he saw this photograph,
1291
00:57:08,294 --> 00:57:10,688
and I said "Yes, that's me.
I fly airplanes."
1292
00:57:10,731 --> 00:57:12,951
He went like this, and he said,
1293
00:57:12,994 --> 00:57:14,996
"Any woman
who can fly an airplane
1294
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,737
can sell my art."
1295
00:57:16,781 --> 00:57:20,045
He's done 10--
perhaps 12,000 drawings.
1296
00:57:20,088 --> 00:57:22,482
Almost every museum
in this country
1297
00:57:22,526 --> 00:57:25,485
and around the world
has a Hirschfeld.
1298
00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:27,835
Even the United States
Postal Service
1299
00:57:27,879 --> 00:57:31,796
has issued postage stamps
of Hirschfeld drawings.
1300
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:36,496
AL: I did the comedians,
and last year I did...
1301
00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:38,193
silent movie stars.
1302
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,068
DOLLY:
It's completely unpredictable,
1303
00:57:43,111 --> 00:57:46,027
the way Al creates.
1304
00:57:46,071 --> 00:57:50,858
And it is almost impossible
to describe a drawing
1305
00:57:50,902 --> 00:57:52,469
can be ready in...
1306
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,298
in a couple of hours.
1307
00:57:56,342 --> 00:58:00,389
At times it happens
that he takes three days
1308
00:58:00,433 --> 00:58:02,653
in desperation.
1309
00:58:02,696 --> 00:58:06,918
He cannot get the essence
of a human being
1310
00:58:06,961 --> 00:58:10,138
that he has
in his head.
1311
00:58:10,182 --> 00:58:12,880
Erase this whole thing.
1312
00:58:12,924 --> 00:58:17,145
DOLLY: He would tear it up
because it isn't right.
1313
00:58:17,189 --> 00:58:19,539
AL: I had a terrible time
with Gary Moore.
1314
00:58:19,583 --> 00:58:21,889
Took the drawing downstairs
and showed it to Dolly,
1315
00:58:21,933 --> 00:58:23,108
and I said, "Who is that?"
1316
00:58:23,151 --> 00:58:24,718
She said Buster Keaton.
1317
00:58:24,762 --> 00:58:28,200
Well, he came up,
and I worked at this thing,
1318
00:58:28,243 --> 00:58:29,897
and I must have
made a thousand--
1319
00:58:29,941 --> 00:58:32,378
I was about to phone and say,
"Listen, I can't do it."
1320
00:58:32,421 --> 00:58:34,162
And then years later,
I met Gary Moore,
1321
00:58:34,206 --> 00:58:36,425
I told him the difficulty
I had with him,
1322
00:58:36,469 --> 00:58:37,731
and he said, "That's very odd."
1323
00:58:37,775 --> 00:58:39,559
He said,
"Because as a young man,
1324
00:58:39,603 --> 00:58:42,127
I used to do
Buster Keaton imitations."
1325
00:58:43,737 --> 00:58:46,958
You live long enough,
everything happens, you know.
1326
00:58:47,001 --> 00:58:49,656
The problem
is to avoid stereotypes,
1327
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:53,573
not to get stuck, bored, or mentally constipated.
1328
00:58:53,617 --> 00:58:55,923
Allen Funt of TV's
Candid Camera
1329
00:58:55,967 --> 00:58:59,144
bitterly complained
about my drawing of him,
1330
00:58:59,187 --> 00:59:02,234
and though I did another,
as fate would have it,
1331
00:59:02,277 --> 00:59:04,802
the first one he disliked
got published.
1332
00:59:04,845 --> 00:59:07,587
And he said that I made him
look like an ape
1333
00:59:07,631 --> 00:59:10,111
in that original drawing,
1334
00:59:10,155 --> 00:59:14,028
and I said I had nothing to do
with that, that was God's work,
1335
00:59:14,072 --> 00:59:16,335
and that was the end of that.
1336
00:59:16,378 --> 00:59:17,205
[ Chuckling ]
1337
00:59:19,077 --> 00:59:22,689
I'm here at this drawing
board at around,
1338
00:59:22,733 --> 00:59:24,691
I don't know,
I'd say 10:00, 10:30,
1339
00:59:24,735 --> 00:59:28,086
and I stay here
until the sun goes down.
1340
00:59:28,129 --> 00:59:32,351
He works seven days a week,
goes to his studio
1341
00:59:32,394 --> 00:59:34,353
at 10:00 in the morning,
1342
00:59:34,396 --> 00:59:35,920
he eats lunch at noon,
1343
00:59:35,963 --> 00:59:37,965
he's back in the studio
at a quarter to 1:00.
1344
00:59:38,009 --> 00:59:40,446
At 4:00 o'clock,
1345
00:59:40,489 --> 00:59:44,755
there's a knock on the door,
and it's tea and cookies,
1346
00:59:44,798 --> 00:59:47,235
and he works until 5:30.
1347
00:59:47,279 --> 00:59:49,803
Hawking away and drawing
and drawing and then,
1348
00:59:49,847 --> 00:59:52,023
something happens,
it's a kind of magic
1349
00:59:52,066 --> 00:59:54,765
that takes place
when the lines communicate
1350
00:59:54,808 --> 00:59:56,288
to the viewer
1351
00:59:56,331 --> 00:59:57,463
what you're seeing.
1352
00:59:57,506 --> 00:59:59,639
It's not anatomy.
1353
00:59:59,683 --> 01:00:01,815
It's a, it's a...
1354
01:00:01,859 --> 01:00:03,991
a whole business of how
1355
01:00:04,035 --> 01:00:06,428
one recognizes another person.
1356
01:00:06,472 --> 01:00:10,258
I suppose it's a combination
of many things,
1357
01:00:10,302 --> 01:00:13,784
the way they walk,
stand, move, and so on.
1358
01:00:13,827 --> 01:00:15,394
That's my contribution, I mean,
1359
01:00:15,437 --> 01:00:19,790
everybody has the ability
to recognize someone.
1360
01:00:19,833 --> 01:00:22,401
But they don't all have
the ability to communicate
1361
01:00:22,444 --> 01:00:25,056
that recognition
through prose or through a line
1362
01:00:25,099 --> 01:00:26,274
to someone else.
1363
01:00:26,318 --> 01:00:28,233
MAN: ♪ C'est moi, c'est moi♪
1364
01:00:28,276 --> 01:00:30,104
♪ I'm forced to admit♪
1365
01:00:30,148 --> 01:00:33,368
♪ 'Tis I, I humbly reply♪
1366
01:00:33,412 --> 01:00:36,328
♪ That mortal
who these marvels can do♪
1367
01:00:36,371 --> 01:00:39,548
♪ C'est moi, c'est moi, 'tis I♪
1368
01:00:39,592 --> 01:00:45,598
♪♪
1369
01:00:59,090 --> 01:01:01,048
You're the worst driver
I've ever seen in my life,
1370
01:01:01,092 --> 01:01:02,876
let's go any place,
the worst, Europe,
1371
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,399
in any place, Asia.
1372
01:01:04,443 --> 01:01:05,966
-DIANE: Yeah.
-WOODY: And I love
1373
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:07,838
-what you're wearing.
-DIANE: Oh, you do? Yeah?
1374
01:01:09,753 --> 01:01:10,841
[ Sighing ]
1375
01:01:14,061 --> 01:01:15,584
DOLLY: Go alone for a minute.
1376
01:01:15,628 --> 01:01:18,849
Please, for once, you--
sometimes go without me.
1377
01:01:23,505 --> 01:01:25,072
MARIA: He is not a lonely man,
1378
01:01:25,116 --> 01:01:26,987
he is an alone man.
1379
01:01:27,031 --> 01:01:28,989
He works alone.
1380
01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:33,690
He-- his art requires him
to be an alone man,
1381
01:01:33,733 --> 01:01:35,953
a solitary figure.
1382
01:01:35,996 --> 01:01:37,041
[ Music playing ]
1383
01:01:37,998 --> 01:01:40,740
PHILIP: He will get many times
1384
01:01:40,784 --> 01:01:43,874
60 people into one drawing.
1385
01:01:43,917 --> 01:01:47,181
His intellect is such
that he can compress
1386
01:01:47,225 --> 01:01:49,662
onto a small piece of paper
1387
01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:52,578
an enormous event.
1388
01:01:52,621 --> 01:01:56,669
I think you know his--
his intellectual capacity
1389
01:01:56,713 --> 01:01:59,803
through the memory of his work.
1390
01:01:59,846 --> 01:02:01,761
JOSEPH: But I remember
he was sitting there one time,
1391
01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:05,678
and he's trying to sketch,
and it starts to rain,
1392
01:02:05,722 --> 01:02:07,245
and he starts to cover up this,
1393
01:02:07,288 --> 01:02:09,160
there's a drop over here,
he covers up that,
1394
01:02:09,203 --> 01:02:11,031
he's still working away, and he covers his thing,
1395
01:02:11,075 --> 01:02:13,338
so I had some of the people
get an umbrella around him,
1396
01:02:13,381 --> 01:02:15,340
but by that time
we're all off the stage,
1397
01:02:15,383 --> 01:02:16,950
and he was doing it from memory.
1398
01:02:16,994 --> 01:02:19,344
You had to be very concentrated
1399
01:02:19,387 --> 01:02:21,259
to gather the gist of the show,
1400
01:02:21,302 --> 01:02:24,044
in addition to what maybe
1401
01:02:24,088 --> 01:02:25,785
even the authors intended.
1402
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:29,528
He very often got what they
didn't know they had gotten.
1403
01:02:31,530 --> 01:02:32,879
I give you truth
1404
01:02:32,923 --> 01:02:35,969
in the pleasant disguise
of illusion.
1405
01:02:36,013 --> 01:02:38,058
STEFAN: Tennessee Williams
were to make a statement
1406
01:02:38,102 --> 01:02:40,147
about the futility of love.
1407
01:02:40,191 --> 01:02:42,584
He would catch that, but Al
would not make a statement,
1408
01:02:42,628 --> 01:02:43,977
he would translate
that statement
1409
01:02:44,021 --> 01:02:46,806
made by Williams
1410
01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:49,853
or if Arthur Miller
showed a broken man
1411
01:02:49,896 --> 01:02:51,202
who was once a salesman
1412
01:02:51,245 --> 01:02:52,812
and is now out of work
and deflated,
1413
01:02:52,856 --> 01:02:54,945
he would deflate him
on that page,
1414
01:02:54,988 --> 01:02:57,164
but he would not invent the man to deflate.
1415
01:02:57,208 --> 01:03:00,602
Why, why, that question
has been trailing me
1416
01:03:00,646 --> 01:03:04,476
like a ghost
for the last 15 years.
1417
01:03:06,521 --> 01:03:09,089
But you have to be caught up
in the emotion of the play,
1418
01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:11,744
and it's below
the surface of the play.
1419
01:03:14,094 --> 01:03:15,748
So it's more
than just a description
1420
01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:18,142
of the-- of an individual,
1421
01:03:18,185 --> 01:03:21,623
but it sort of encompasses
everything we do.
1422
01:03:23,277 --> 01:03:25,149
I was fascinated when I met him
1423
01:03:25,192 --> 01:03:28,935
because I think his whole body
1424
01:03:28,979 --> 01:03:31,590
has all the spring and delight
1425
01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:33,766
and electricity
1426
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,942
that his drawings have.
1427
01:03:35,986 --> 01:03:39,772
And we tried to
get him up here,
1428
01:03:39,816 --> 01:03:42,601
I don't know, to do something
1429
01:03:42,644 --> 01:03:46,953
in connection
with this particular movie.
1430
01:03:46,997 --> 01:03:49,564
I think I'm rather easier
than some.
1431
01:03:49,608 --> 01:03:51,392
I got exaggerated, sort of,
1432
01:03:51,436 --> 01:03:53,655
nostrils...
and the mouth goes down,
1433
01:03:53,699 --> 01:03:55,919
you know, and cheeks go hollow.
1434
01:03:55,962 --> 01:03:58,225
He'll sometimes say
that somebody's eyes
1435
01:03:58,269 --> 01:04:00,314
are like fried eggs.
1436
01:04:00,358 --> 01:04:03,491
Mouths become pee holes,
1437
01:04:03,535 --> 01:04:06,146
caverns, slits.
1438
01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:07,887
Hair might be Brillo,
1439
01:04:07,931 --> 01:04:10,672
rope, string, thread.
1440
01:04:10,716 --> 01:04:12,761
When he wrote about
Zero Mostel that he was like
1441
01:04:12,805 --> 01:04:15,416
a bundle of dirty laundry,
you immediately see Zero.
1442
01:04:15,460 --> 01:04:17,462
You can just him
on the stage as Tevye.
1443
01:04:18,767 --> 01:04:21,031
Streisand is not a
homely woman,
1444
01:04:21,074 --> 01:04:23,816
but she is this kind
of tropical bird
1445
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:25,774
that he's made a note about.
1446
01:04:25,818 --> 01:04:27,646
Well, I'd like to draw people
1447
01:04:27,689 --> 01:04:30,475
who've kind
of invented themselves.
1448
01:04:30,518 --> 01:04:34,087
They're like
exploded ventricles.
1449
01:04:35,306 --> 01:04:38,657
The Carol Channings,
Zero Mostels,
1450
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,528
Orson Welles.
1451
01:04:42,008 --> 01:04:43,967
If you're looking
for a beauty shot, forget it,
1452
01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:46,056
he's not going
to make you beautiful.
1453
01:04:46,099 --> 01:04:48,972
He'll make you interesting
but never beautiful.
1454
01:04:49,015 --> 01:04:53,324
Al did a caricature of me
when I was inOn Your Toes,
1455
01:04:53,367 --> 01:04:55,500
and I looked at it and thought,
1456
01:04:55,543 --> 01:04:57,502
I wonder
if he really doesn't like me,
1457
01:04:57,545 --> 01:04:59,504
I just wondered
why he made me look
1458
01:04:59,547 --> 01:05:02,333
quite so unattractive.
1459
01:05:02,376 --> 01:05:04,335
Caricature is one thing,
1460
01:05:04,378 --> 01:05:06,598
but this abused the privilege.
1461
01:05:07,555 --> 01:05:09,340
[ Laughing ]
1462
01:05:09,383 --> 01:05:12,560
And it's not unflattering,
really.
1463
01:05:12,604 --> 01:05:14,562
I'd like to look like that.
1464
01:05:15,912 --> 01:05:18,305
It makes us flattering
even to be observed.
1465
01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:20,960
You know, say anything you want about me, but say something.
1466
01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:24,311
Certain faces
lend themselves to...
1467
01:05:24,355 --> 01:05:27,967
well, I can say,
the ridiculous caricature.
1468
01:05:28,011 --> 01:05:31,405
I think that Spencer was more
difficult to do than Bogie.
1469
01:05:31,449 --> 01:05:34,321
"The African Queen" one
is brilliant.
1470
01:05:34,365 --> 01:05:36,845
"The Abortion Queen,"
they call it now.
1471
01:05:36,889 --> 01:05:38,151
[ Laughing ]
1472
01:05:38,195 --> 01:05:41,372
Well, is that terrible?
1473
01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:47,421
Well, he is remarkable,
1474
01:05:47,465 --> 01:05:48,901
he runs up the stairs,
1475
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:52,992
he runs down the stairs,
does he still?
1476
01:05:53,036 --> 01:05:55,429
I don't exercise,
1477
01:05:55,473 --> 01:05:56,865
except going up
and down the stairs
1478
01:05:56,909 --> 01:05:57,997
in my house.
1479
01:05:58,041 --> 01:05:59,172
I don't play golf.
1480
01:05:59,216 --> 01:06:00,565
I don't swim.
1481
01:06:00,608 --> 01:06:03,002
I never saw him
lift anything heavier
1482
01:06:03,046 --> 01:06:07,006
than a coffee cup
or a drawing pen.
1483
01:06:07,050 --> 01:06:09,791
He was almost
totally sedentary.
1484
01:06:09,835 --> 01:06:11,358
I had been
in the country with him,
1485
01:06:11,402 --> 01:06:13,882
I never saw him exercise,
1486
01:06:13,926 --> 01:06:15,928
not even swim.
1487
01:06:16,668 --> 01:06:17,886
[ Tapping ]
1488
01:06:20,019 --> 01:06:22,979
[ Music playing ]
1489
01:06:59,319 --> 01:07:00,799
Well, I've done movies
1490
01:07:00,842 --> 01:07:02,975
in the early 20s up until now,
1491
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:04,716
TV,
1492
01:07:04,759 --> 01:07:06,805
all of the performing arts,
1493
01:07:06,848 --> 01:07:08,981
philharmonic, opera,
1494
01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:10,330
the theater, of course.
1495
01:07:11,897 --> 01:07:13,725
How am I ever going
to play for the Yankees
1496
01:07:13,768 --> 01:07:16,510
with a name
like Eugene Morris Jerome?
1497
01:07:16,554 --> 01:07:18,904
You got to be a
Tony or Frankie.
1498
01:07:18,947 --> 01:07:20,340
When you think of
1499
01:07:20,384 --> 01:07:22,168
theatrical
caricatures, certainly,
1500
01:07:22,212 --> 01:07:23,952
you don't think
of Hirschfeld among others,
1501
01:07:23,996 --> 01:07:25,780
you think of Hirschfeld,
and I always remember thinking
1502
01:07:25,824 --> 01:07:27,782
that if you can only get
from Philadelphia,
1503
01:07:27,826 --> 01:07:29,306
where I was growing up,
to New York,
1504
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:30,916
everybody would look
like a Hirschfeld.
1505
01:07:30,959 --> 01:07:33,440
[ Music playing ]
1506
01:07:33,484 --> 01:07:36,269
MAN: ♪ Love me♪
1507
01:07:36,313 --> 01:07:38,706
♪ That's all♪
1508
01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:42,188
♪ I ask♪
1509
01:07:42,232 --> 01:07:47,498
♪ Of you♪
1510
01:07:47,541 --> 01:07:50,066
A few years ago I was
assigned of to do a drawing
1511
01:07:50,109 --> 01:07:52,111
on Eugene O'Neill's
1512
01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:54,113
Long Day's Journey into Night.
1513
01:07:56,376 --> 01:07:58,248
The caricature
is crappy, I just got it,
1514
01:07:58,291 --> 01:08:00,250
and this guy fit me
with new noses today,
1515
01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:02,904
I got all sorts
of different faces he handed me.
1516
01:08:02,948 --> 01:08:05,342
And I say, "What is that
guy doing?" And who is that?
1517
01:08:05,385 --> 01:08:08,649
God, I look like
The Wandering Jew.
1518
01:08:08,693 --> 01:08:11,957
When Al draws my face,
1519
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,133
he's very concentrated
on the jaw.
1520
01:08:14,177 --> 01:08:15,874
[ Laughing ]
1521
01:08:15,917 --> 01:08:17,876
I said something
about that the other day
1522
01:08:17,919 --> 01:08:19,878
to the fellas in the cast,
1523
01:08:19,921 --> 01:08:22,620
I said, "Do you think my jaw
is like that?"
1524
01:08:22,663 --> 01:08:24,361
And everybody turned
to me and went...
1525
01:08:24,404 --> 01:08:26,189
[ Laughing ]
1526
01:08:32,891 --> 01:08:37,025
I try to get a new
interpretation each time.
1527
01:08:42,466 --> 01:08:45,338
I looked up my old drawings,
1528
01:08:45,382 --> 01:08:47,427
on the original one
with Freddie March
1529
01:08:47,471 --> 01:08:49,516
and Florence Eldridge,
1530
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,302
and Jason Robards.
1531
01:08:52,345 --> 01:08:55,348
[ Music playing ]
1532
01:09:26,771 --> 01:09:29,077
Detail of the table
is driving me crazy.
1533
01:09:29,121 --> 01:09:30,035
[ Chuckling ]
1534
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:41,829
Sometimes it's--
1535
01:09:41,873 --> 01:09:43,831
goes very quickly
1536
01:09:43,875 --> 01:09:46,530
and other times
it's-- you just produce
1537
01:09:46,573 --> 01:09:48,619
an ulcer, that's all.
1538
01:10:12,164 --> 01:10:14,862
There was a professor,
an old dean,
1539
01:10:14,906 --> 01:10:17,038
in the University
of Pennsylvania
1540
01:10:17,082 --> 01:10:19,954
who got himself a $60,000 grant
1541
01:10:19,998 --> 01:10:21,478
from the Pentagon
1542
01:10:21,521 --> 01:10:24,263
to research the Ninas
in my drawings.
1543
01:10:24,307 --> 01:10:28,224
DR. CALVIN: Hirschfeld's
a master of camouflage
1544
01:10:28,267 --> 01:10:31,052
in the way he hides
a "Nina" in the scenes
1545
01:10:31,096 --> 01:10:32,445
that he creates.
1546
01:10:32,489 --> 01:10:34,752
What we're trying to do
is understand
1547
01:10:34,795 --> 01:10:36,797
how people detect targets
1548
01:10:36,841 --> 01:10:39,974
when they are camouflaged
in scenery.
1549
01:10:40,018 --> 01:10:42,586
AL: Student pilots pick out
the Ninas in the drawing,
1550
01:10:42,629 --> 01:10:44,936
because it helps them
in reading maps.
1551
01:10:44,979 --> 01:10:46,720
It's used for bombing.
1552
01:10:46,764 --> 01:10:48,069
[ Laughing ]
1553
01:10:48,113 --> 01:10:51,334
I said, "Sheer
insanity, absolutely."
1554
01:10:51,377 --> 01:10:52,509
[ Explosion ]
1555
01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:56,295
[ Gunfire ]
1556
01:10:56,339 --> 01:10:58,166
[ Music playing ]
1557
01:11:00,299 --> 01:11:03,694
ERIC: Hirschfeld really manages
to capture the spirit
1558
01:11:03,737 --> 01:11:05,522
of a-- of a pose
1559
01:11:05,565 --> 01:11:08,525
in a very simplified
and elegant way.
1560
01:11:08,568 --> 01:11:12,137
I was the first supervising
animator on Aladdin.
1561
01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:14,444
So I thought who better to turn
to than Hirschfeld
1562
01:11:14,487 --> 01:11:16,489
for good, simplified, shape
1563
01:11:16,533 --> 01:11:18,317
that you could
kind of stretch around
1564
01:11:18,361 --> 01:11:20,667
and mangle,
and twist, and turn,
1565
01:11:20,711 --> 01:11:22,756
you know, with the great deal
of elasticity
1566
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,281
and also simplicity.
1567
01:11:25,324 --> 01:11:28,066
AL: The Disney Company said
that I had this great effect
1568
01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:32,331
on the designing ofAladdin,
1569
01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:36,422
that the Genie
who comes out of the bottle
1570
01:11:36,466 --> 01:11:39,817
was inspired by my drawings
of just pure line.
1571
01:11:39,860 --> 01:11:43,777
Al was not aware of any of this
while we were making the movie.
1572
01:11:43,821 --> 01:11:47,607
AL: Oh, I was not aware of this
until I went out there.
1573
01:11:47,651 --> 01:11:50,131
ERIC: It was like the
arrival of the patron saint,
1574
01:11:50,175 --> 01:11:52,960
there was this crew
of 600 artists
1575
01:11:53,004 --> 01:11:57,574
who just spent the last year, you know, looking at Al's work.
1576
01:11:57,617 --> 01:12:00,011
-MAN: This is Al Hirschfeld.
-Hello.
1577
01:12:01,273 --> 01:12:03,231
Oh.
1578
01:12:03,275 --> 01:12:05,756
I recognize that immediately.
1579
01:12:05,799 --> 01:12:08,062
ERIC: I mean, you can see
I've even used a little bit
1580
01:12:08,106 --> 01:12:09,977
of a Hirschfeld curly cue here
1581
01:12:10,021 --> 01:12:12,284
in the way
these fingers are defined.
1582
01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:14,286
AL: I suppose everybody
has their own kind
1583
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:16,114
of thumbprint, you know.
1584
01:12:16,157 --> 01:12:18,682
ERIC: If you take
a good Hirschfeld drawing,
1585
01:12:18,725 --> 01:12:20,379
what isn't
a good Hirschfeld drawing,
1586
01:12:20,423 --> 01:12:23,600
but if you take
any Hirschfeld drawing,
1587
01:12:23,643 --> 01:12:29,606
and you see the way
that these lines lean
1588
01:12:29,649 --> 01:12:32,391
in such a supple way
around the form,
1589
01:12:32,435 --> 01:12:34,611
you know to define
what the silhouette is,
1590
01:12:34,654 --> 01:12:36,961
I mean you can see
the same kind of supple
1591
01:12:37,004 --> 01:12:38,397
leading from, you know,
1592
01:12:38,441 --> 01:12:40,399
down the back
around the shoe,
1593
01:12:40,443 --> 01:12:42,401
the same kind of form,
1594
01:12:42,445 --> 01:12:46,362
which Freddie Moore
gave Mickey in 1941.
1595
01:12:46,405 --> 01:12:49,147
One thing that animators
always look for
1596
01:12:49,190 --> 01:12:53,194
is a-- is a kind of clarity
1597
01:12:53,238 --> 01:12:55,501
to the silhouette
of the character
1598
01:12:55,545 --> 01:12:56,807
that they're working on.
1599
01:12:56,850 --> 01:12:59,026
And since the Genie
had to chain
1600
01:12:59,070 --> 01:13:01,377
from one character
to the next,
1601
01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:03,770
that clarity was essential.
1602
01:13:03,814 --> 01:13:05,511
You had to be able to get it,
1603
01:13:05,555 --> 01:13:07,948
you know, in a split second
and move on.
1604
01:13:07,992 --> 01:13:09,950
There've been lots
of artists in the past
1605
01:13:09,994 --> 01:13:12,953
who have influenced the look
of a Disney movie.
1606
01:13:12,997 --> 01:13:15,260
So I would say
Mr. Hirschfeld, you know,
1607
01:13:15,303 --> 01:13:16,435
whether he knew it or not,
1608
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,698
joined the ranks
of many of those.
1609
01:13:20,352 --> 01:13:23,311
AL: I think the whole trick
in art is to stay alive.
1610
01:13:23,355 --> 01:13:24,965
A young artist came up to me,
1611
01:13:25,009 --> 01:13:26,445
and I don't know
where to send them.
1612
01:13:26,489 --> 01:13:29,492
I mean, there's no crying need
for caricature
1613
01:13:29,535 --> 01:13:33,234
at the moment, it's a lemming
profession, it seems to me.
1614
01:13:33,278 --> 01:13:36,150
I try to discourage them
the best I can,
1615
01:13:36,194 --> 01:13:37,848
not because
they don't have talents,
1616
01:13:37,891 --> 01:13:39,763
I mean, their gifts, they have, of course,
1617
01:13:39,806 --> 01:13:42,374
but, I tell you, that talent is a drug on the market,
1618
01:13:42,418 --> 01:13:43,941
really it is.
1619
01:13:43,984 --> 01:13:47,335
And my only respect is
for the capacity for work.
1620
01:13:47,379 --> 01:13:49,468
I've always said that
if you want to make a living,
1621
01:13:49,512 --> 01:13:51,209
open a delicatessen, you know,
1622
01:13:51,252 --> 01:13:54,778
but art is no way to do it.
1623
01:13:55,866 --> 01:13:58,390
♪ Never, never be an artist♪
1624
01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:02,046
♪ If you think
you can make one cent♪
1625
01:14:02,089 --> 01:14:04,744
♪ Never, never be an artist♪
1626
01:14:04,788 --> 01:14:08,008
♪ If there's no one
to pay your rent♪
1627
01:14:13,274 --> 01:14:14,754
Stuck.
1628
01:14:16,016 --> 01:14:18,192
♪ Never, never be an artist♪
1629
01:14:18,236 --> 01:14:21,587
♪ Unless you want to have
a marvelous time♪
1630
01:14:21,631 --> 01:14:25,678
♪ Unless you want to have
a marvelous time♪
1631
01:14:25,722 --> 01:14:27,288
AL: Well, I've been
described everything
1632
01:14:27,332 --> 01:14:30,509
from a Messiah
to a boulevardier
1633
01:14:30,553 --> 01:14:32,990
to a rabbi.
1634
01:14:34,252 --> 01:14:35,819
We are here in the Algonquin,
1635
01:14:35,862 --> 01:14:38,648
the perfect place
to celebrate Al Hirschfeld,
1636
01:14:38,691 --> 01:14:41,477
and he has
his own round table.
1637
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,742
It's a very sentimental thing
to be here.
1638
01:14:45,785 --> 01:14:47,744
MAN: Dearly beloved...
1639
01:14:47,787 --> 01:14:49,572
[ Laughing ]
1640
01:14:49,615 --> 01:14:52,662
We're gathered here
in the sight of God and man.
1641
01:14:52,705 --> 01:14:54,664
I'm the man,
1642
01:14:54,707 --> 01:14:56,535
and Al is the god.
1643
01:14:56,579 --> 01:14:58,537
[ Laughing ]
1644
01:14:58,581 --> 01:15:01,975
Pagan god,
appropriately bearded.
1645
01:15:02,019 --> 01:15:04,674
Let us imagine him as Zeus
1646
01:15:04,717 --> 01:15:07,024
with Dolly as his Hera,
1647
01:15:07,067 --> 01:15:10,462
a god armed
with pens and pencils
1648
01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:12,377
instead of thunderbolts,
1649
01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:15,554
in order to keep proper care
1650
01:15:15,598 --> 01:15:17,382
of an unruly world.
1651
01:15:17,425 --> 01:15:19,253
KATHARINE:
It's a wonderful comment,
1652
01:15:19,297 --> 01:15:21,821
on the curious trip
1653
01:15:21,865 --> 01:15:25,129
that civilization
seems to be taking.
1654
01:15:25,172 --> 01:15:27,479
What's happened
to Hirschfeld is
1655
01:15:27,523 --> 01:15:29,525
through the years,
I mean, this guy's in his 90s,
1656
01:15:29,568 --> 01:15:32,223
and he-- he's like
1657
01:15:32,266 --> 01:15:35,531
Tolstoy and Verdi,
1658
01:15:35,574 --> 01:15:37,402
and Picasso,
whose productions
1659
01:15:37,445 --> 01:15:39,186
got leaner,
and leaner, and leaner.
1660
01:15:39,230 --> 01:15:41,145
I mean, Picasso eventually
began to caricature himself,
1661
01:15:41,188 --> 01:15:43,451
but the others
really burned away
1662
01:15:43,495 --> 01:15:45,062
all that was inessential
1663
01:15:45,105 --> 01:15:47,194
and left with this
very refined art.
1664
01:15:47,238 --> 01:15:49,196
And there's one line
that you can remove
1665
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,589
without destroying
the composition,
1666
01:15:50,633 --> 01:15:53,244
now he's gotten it down
to that point.
1667
01:15:53,287 --> 01:15:55,681
Well, when my wife died, Dolly,
1668
01:15:55,725 --> 01:15:57,727
a remarkable lady, by the way...
1669
01:15:59,511 --> 01:16:00,947
Well, I haven't made peace
with that,
1670
01:16:00,991 --> 01:16:05,038
I don't suppose
I ever will, I'm furious.
1671
01:16:05,082 --> 01:16:08,825
But I've adjusted to it
as best I can and...
1672
01:16:08,868 --> 01:16:12,089
because there's nothing
I can do about it.
1673
01:16:19,139 --> 01:16:23,143
She always set this absolutely gorgeous table.
1674
01:16:23,187 --> 01:16:25,842
And almost
a dramatic theatrical table
1675
01:16:25,885 --> 01:16:27,539
with red glasses
1676
01:16:27,583 --> 01:16:30,194
and flowers at each place.
1677
01:16:30,237 --> 01:16:31,630
A stage setting,
1678
01:16:31,674 --> 01:16:35,460
a theatrical dining room,
in many ways.
1679
01:16:35,503 --> 01:16:40,508
And when she died,
and Al started inviting people
1680
01:16:40,552 --> 01:16:43,729
to come to dinner again,
1681
01:16:43,773 --> 01:16:45,644
it was exactly the same,
1682
01:16:45,688 --> 01:16:49,126
he kept it, the table,
1683
01:16:49,169 --> 01:16:51,128
the only thing missing
was Dolly.
1684
01:16:51,171 --> 01:16:53,652
MARIA: I think the fact
that he was able to work
1685
01:16:53,696 --> 01:16:57,743
after her death was because
she had already given him
1686
01:16:57,787 --> 01:16:59,615
how to handle her death.
1687
01:16:59,658 --> 01:17:03,662
She had given him
the right not to feel guilty.
1688
01:17:03,706 --> 01:17:05,751
And so it's a great gift.
1689
01:17:05,795 --> 01:17:08,885
AL: My adjustment
seems to startle people,
1690
01:17:08,928 --> 01:17:11,191
and thus,
doesn't seem to be normal.
1691
01:17:11,235 --> 01:17:13,367
I don't know why
it struck-- strikes me
1692
01:17:13,411 --> 01:17:15,631
as being completely normal.
1693
01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:18,764
[ Record playing ]
1694
01:17:21,985 --> 01:17:24,291
I remember reading
as an article some years ago
1695
01:17:24,335 --> 01:17:27,991
about longevity, and there was
an interview with Shaw
1696
01:17:28,034 --> 01:17:31,690
and they had asked him
to what he attributed
1697
01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:33,300
his longevity, and he said,
1698
01:17:33,344 --> 01:17:37,217
"Well, I never drank,
I never ate meat,
1699
01:17:37,261 --> 01:17:39,393
I'm a vegetarian."
1700
01:17:39,437 --> 01:17:41,526
And he said,
"I assume that's it."
1701
01:17:41,569 --> 01:17:45,835
He said-- and that
sounded reasonable.
1702
01:17:45,878 --> 01:17:48,620
Then I read sometime later
an interview with Churchill.
1703
01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:50,927
They asked him to what
he attributed his longevity,
1704
01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:53,930
and he said, "Well, I smoke
about 10 cigars a day,
1705
01:17:53,973 --> 01:17:55,714
I drink a quart of brandy,
1706
01:17:55,758 --> 01:17:57,716
and I eat nothing but red meat."
1707
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,544
[ Horns honking ]
1708
01:18:00,980 --> 01:18:03,591
I had my license
renewed recently.
1709
01:18:03,635 --> 01:18:05,376
It's so ridiculous.
1710
01:18:05,419 --> 01:18:09,032
I couldn't see the eye chart,
but got the license anyway.
1711
01:18:11,034 --> 01:18:13,732
I'm no good at being alone,
you know.
1712
01:18:13,776 --> 01:18:17,954
After Dolly died, of course,
I kept going to the theater.
1713
01:18:17,997 --> 01:18:20,434
And often I had company.
1714
01:18:22,132 --> 01:18:25,526
Well, I guess it's the theatre
that we... we've had in common.
1715
01:18:25,570 --> 01:18:28,704
My late husband and I
were friends of Al and Dolly's
1716
01:18:28,747 --> 01:18:30,662
for over 30 years.
1717
01:18:33,143 --> 01:18:35,014
Where are we going tonight?
1718
01:18:35,058 --> 01:18:36,668
You got to be kidding me.
1719
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:40,672
[ Indistinct chatter ]
1720
01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:45,068
You have the tickets?
1721
01:18:45,111 --> 01:18:46,722
-Do you have the tickets?
-No.
1722
01:18:46,765 --> 01:18:48,158
LOUISE: Where do we get them?
1723
01:18:48,201 --> 01:18:49,768
[ Indistinct chatter ]
1724
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:52,423
LOUISE: It's unbelievable
that we're so close now.
1725
01:18:54,773 --> 01:18:56,470
When I was playing a character,
1726
01:18:56,514 --> 01:18:57,994
everything about that character
1727
01:18:58,037 --> 01:19:00,126
came clearly
through the drawing.
1728
01:19:00,170 --> 01:19:02,215
This is the first Dolly.
1729
01:19:02,259 --> 01:19:05,001
That was when I was nice
and healthy and plump.
1730
01:19:05,044 --> 01:19:08,221
Look, he dropped 20 pounds off me
1731
01:19:08,265 --> 01:19:11,094
because I was thinking
I was thin.
1732
01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:12,486
[ Indistinct chatter ]
1733
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:13,661
Oh, Al.
1734
01:19:14,837 --> 01:19:18,841
I must tell you
Al Hirschfeld first did,
1735
01:19:18,884 --> 01:19:21,278
he picked me out
of one of 20 unknowns
1736
01:19:21,321 --> 01:19:24,281
in a little revue
called Lend An Ear.
1737
01:19:24,324 --> 01:19:26,849
And he put me on the front page
1738
01:19:26,892 --> 01:19:28,851
of theNew York Times,
1739
01:19:28,894 --> 01:19:31,810
and that was the beginning
of me.
1740
01:19:31,854 --> 01:19:33,290
[ Laughing ]
1741
01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:36,597
There's something
about the continuity,
1742
01:19:36,641 --> 01:19:39,383
the unchanging virtuosity
1743
01:19:39,426 --> 01:19:40,819
of Hirschfeld's style,
1744
01:19:40,863 --> 01:19:43,604
that seems to fit
the style of Broadway
1745
01:19:43,648 --> 01:19:45,606
as it evolved
over the 20th Century.
1746
01:19:45,650 --> 01:19:47,913
WOMAN:
♪ Yes, everything's as if♪
1747
01:19:47,957 --> 01:19:52,483
♪ We never said good-bye♪
1748
01:19:54,137 --> 01:19:57,227
It's probably
the most exciting opening night
1749
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:59,011
that I have ever been to.
1750
01:19:59,055 --> 01:20:01,797
[ Car honking ]
1751
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,276
BACALL:
There's nobody like you, Al.
1752
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:04,582
AL:
Well, thank you.
1753
01:20:04,625 --> 01:20:06,192
BACALL:
Never has been, never will be.
1754
01:20:06,236 --> 01:20:08,934
You're a national treasure.
1755
01:20:08,978 --> 01:20:10,196
-No, you are.
-You are.
1756
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:11,632
No, you are
a national treasure--
1757
01:20:11,676 --> 01:20:12,851
come on and face it.
1758
01:20:12,895 --> 01:20:14,810
Relax and enjoy it,
you've earned it.
1759
01:20:18,509 --> 01:20:20,119
It's incredible.
1760
01:20:20,163 --> 01:20:23,644
Well, it's almost impossible
to control the way--
1761
01:20:23,688 --> 01:20:26,647
It's so crazy, I can't--
1762
01:20:26,691 --> 01:20:31,217
Well, in one lifetime
to have the automobile,
1763
01:20:31,261 --> 01:20:33,611
the radio, the television,
1764
01:20:33,654 --> 01:20:35,265
and now the Internet.
1765
01:20:35,308 --> 01:20:38,268
And this CD-ROM thing
is just too much
1766
01:20:38,311 --> 01:20:41,445
for one human being to absorb.
1767
01:20:41,488 --> 01:20:45,188
Well, it's like
discovering paint, you know.
1768
01:20:45,231 --> 01:20:47,712
And the cave drawings
of Altamira,
1769
01:20:47,755 --> 01:20:51,716
you know, up to this
is quite a jump.
1770
01:20:51,759 --> 01:20:55,633
But I suppose
it is possible to control it.
1771
01:20:55,676 --> 01:20:59,071
It just requires another
lifetime to do it, that's all.
1772
01:21:03,728 --> 01:21:07,340
Living is an art,
it's not a science, you know.
1773
01:21:07,384 --> 01:21:09,516
You make it up as you go along.
1774
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,477
And I think
that's what it's all about.
1775
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,089
[ Birds chirping ]
1776
01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:19,004
I look forward
to the future, actually.
1777
01:21:19,048 --> 01:21:21,702
I don't dwell
on the past at all.
1778
01:21:21,746 --> 01:21:23,226
Although I've been yapping away
1779
01:21:23,269 --> 01:21:24,880
for all this time
about the past,
1780
01:21:24,923 --> 01:21:28,274
but that is normal
for me, really.
1781
01:21:28,318 --> 01:21:31,582
I look back
and ought to be 90 again.
1782
01:21:35,194 --> 01:21:36,543
[ Music playing ]
1783
01:21:36,587 --> 01:21:37,936
BARBRA: ♪ Look at that face♪
1784
01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:39,720
♪ Just look at it♪
1785
01:21:39,764 --> 01:21:45,117
♪ Look at that fabulous face
of yours♪
1786
01:21:45,161 --> 01:21:47,946
♪ I knew first look
I took at it♪
1787
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:49,817
♪ This was the face♪
1788
01:21:49,861 --> 01:21:53,734
♪ That the world adores♪
1789
01:21:53,778 --> 01:21:56,694
♪ Look at those eyes as wise♪
1790
01:21:56,737 --> 01:22:00,741
♪ And as deep as the sea♪
1791
01:22:02,830 --> 01:22:04,615
♪ Look at that nose♪
1792
01:22:04,658 --> 01:22:07,270
♪ It shows what a nose♪
1793
01:22:07,313 --> 01:22:10,534
♪ Should be♪
1794
01:22:11,839 --> 01:22:15,452
♪ As for your smile,
it's lyrical♪
1795
01:22:15,495 --> 01:22:20,805
♪ Friendly and warm
as a summer's day♪
1796
01:22:20,848 --> 01:22:23,939
♪ Your face is just a miracle♪
1797
01:22:23,982 --> 01:22:25,941
♪ Where could I ever find♪
1798
01:22:25,984 --> 01:22:30,336
♪ Words to say?♪
1799
01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:35,341
♪ The way
that it makes me happy♪
1800
01:22:35,385 --> 01:22:41,086
♪ Whatever the time or place♪
1801
01:22:41,130 --> 01:22:44,960
♪ I will find in no book♪
1802
01:22:45,003 --> 01:22:47,701
♪ What I find♪
1803
01:22:47,745 --> 01:22:51,705
♪ When I look♪
1804
01:22:51,749 --> 01:22:56,754
♪ At that face♪
1805
01:23:12,509 --> 01:23:16,339
♪ There's no business
like show business♪
1806
01:23:16,382 --> 01:23:20,473
♪ Like no business I know♪
1807
01:23:20,517 --> 01:23:24,260
♪ Everything about it
is appealing♪
1808
01:23:24,303 --> 01:23:27,698
♪ Everything the traffic
will allow♪
1809
01:23:27,741 --> 01:23:30,875
♪ Nowhere could you get
that happy feeling♪
1810
01:23:30,918 --> 01:23:34,531
♪ When you are stealing
that extra bow♪
1811
01:23:34,574 --> 01:23:38,187
♪ There's no people
like show people♪
1812
01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:42,234
♪ They smile when they are low♪
1813
01:23:42,278 --> 01:23:45,716
♪ Yesterday they told you
you would not go far♪
1814
01:23:45,759 --> 01:23:49,546
♪ That night you opened
and there you are♪
1815
01:23:49,589 --> 01:23:51,243
♪ Next day
on your dressing room♪
1816
01:23:51,287 --> 01:23:52,897
♪ They hung a star♪
1817
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:56,857
♪ Let's go on with the show♪
1818
01:23:56,901 --> 01:23:58,772
♪ The costumes,
the scenery♪
1819
01:23:58,816 --> 01:24:00,687
♪ The makeup, the props♪
1820
01:24:00,731 --> 01:24:04,474
♪ The audience that lifts you
when you're down♪
1821
01:24:04,517 --> 01:24:06,345
♪ The headaches,
the heartaches♪
1822
01:24:06,389 --> 01:24:08,478
♪ The backaches, the flops♪
1823
01:24:08,521 --> 01:24:12,264
♪ The sheriff who escorts you
out of town♪
1824
01:24:12,308 --> 01:24:16,094
♪ The opening when
your heart beats like a drum♪
1825
01:24:16,138 --> 01:24:20,446
♪ The closing when
the customers won't come♪
1826
01:24:20,490 --> 01:24:24,102
♪ There's no business
like show business♪
1827
01:24:24,146 --> 01:24:28,237
♪ Like no business I know♪
1828
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,936
♪ You get word
before the show has started♪
1829
01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:35,809
♪ That your favorite uncle
died at dawn♪
1830
01:24:35,853 --> 01:24:38,769
♪ Top of that,
your ma and pa had parted♪
1831
01:24:38,812 --> 01:24:40,727
♪ You're brokenhearted♪
1832
01:24:40,771 --> 01:24:42,773
♪ But you go on♪
1833
01:24:42,816 --> 01:24:46,255
♪ There's no people
like show people♪
1834
01:24:46,298 --> 01:24:50,346
♪ They don't run out of dough♪
1835
01:24:50,389 --> 01:24:54,045
♪ Angels come from
everywhere with lots of jack♪
1836
01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:57,614
♪ And when you lose it,
there's no attack♪
1837
01:24:57,657 --> 01:24:59,181
♪ Where could you get money♪
1838
01:24:59,224 --> 01:25:01,052
♪ That you don't get back?♪
1839
01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:04,795
♪ Let's go on with the show♪
1840
01:25:04,838 --> 01:25:08,451
♪ There's no business
like show business♪
1841
01:25:08,494 --> 01:25:12,455
♪ If you tell me it's so♪
1842
01:25:12,498 --> 01:25:16,154
♪ Traveling through
the country is so thrilling♪
1843
01:25:16,198 --> 01:25:19,766
♪ Standing out in front
on opening nights♪
1844
01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:22,769
♪ Smiling as you watch
the benches filling♪
1845
01:25:22,813 --> 01:25:26,773
♪ And see your billing
out there in lights♪
1846
01:25:26,817 --> 01:25:30,516
♪ There's no people
like show people♪
1847
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,607
♪ They smile when they are low♪
1848
01:25:34,651 --> 01:25:38,133
♪ Even with a turkey
that you know will fold♪
1849
01:25:38,176 --> 01:25:41,788
♪ You may be stranded out
in the cold♪
1850
01:25:41,832 --> 01:25:45,140
♪ Still you wouldn't change it
for a sack of gold♪
1851
01:25:45,183 --> 01:25:48,795
♪ Let's go on with the show♪
1852
01:25:48,839 --> 01:25:53,844
♪ Let's go on with the show♪
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