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Homicide was my calling,
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but you're only as good
as your last case
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that becomes who you are.
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An Arlington family
is planning two funerals
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for a beloved Vietnamese couple.
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And...
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this would be my last case.
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I think somebody
who has the courage enough
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to come forward with
information this case,
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can really bring closure
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not only to that community
out there
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but also to the family.
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Those people didn't
deserve to die like that.
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You know, I can
still see that now.
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The layers and layers of tape
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that was wrapped
around their face.
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This is a horrible way to die.
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There is no motive no suspects
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and still no persons
of interest in this case.
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I'm like what?
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That doesn't sound right.
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You are a nice kid,
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if you were there
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and others committed
this offense,
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tell us who those people were.
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I felt betrayed
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and I just can't seem
to catch a break.
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He is probably gonna
get away with murder.
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But sometimes you have to
make a deal with the devil.
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I never wanted to be a cop.
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My degree is in journalism.
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I never shot a gun or anything
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before I got on
the police department.
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But, I've always been
one who's asked questions
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and I've always been one
who was inquisitive
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and wanted to know the answers
to those questions.
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It's ironic that I end up
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working as a homicide detective
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and doing the very thing
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that I've always done in life.
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One thing I've learned,
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if you spend enough time
asking the right questions...
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eventually you will
get to the truth.
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When this case
was assigned to me...
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I had been in homicide
for 21 years,
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I've worked a lot of
homicides up to that point,
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I often use to say
there's nothing I haven't seen
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but this was a case
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that has so many
twists and turns
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and highs and lows and
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emotions that
were involved in it.
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Really in the end kind
of caught me by surprise.
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Little did I know
when we were working this case
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that this would be my last case.
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June 10th, 2012 was on a Sunday.
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I get the call,
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asking me to respond
to a homicide
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at 3620 Waverly Drive
in Arlington.
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Two elderly people
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found inside the apartment...
deceased.
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The main thing I wanna hear is,
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"Do you have a suspect?"
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And they said, "No."
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"Do you have witnesses?"
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And they said, "No."
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And so right then I knew
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I wasn't coming back home
that night at all.
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So I'd tell my daughter
who's upset now
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that I have to leave,
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we always kind of play game,
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like I got your nose
and I'll give it back to you
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when I come back.
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But that's the way it was
for me working homicide.
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When I got there...
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there's a lot of people
standing around.
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Lot of police cars in the area.
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I normally just sit in the car
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and just kind of look first
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and see what's going on.
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So I'm kind of processing
the whole scene.
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I worked with Byron
for 20 years.
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He's very analytical
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and he knows how he's going to
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approach the situation.
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You know, he's calm,
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he's level headed,
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slow and steady.
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Takes him awhile to get there
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because he, you know,
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he's being methodical
and I'm like,
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"Let's go." You know,
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and he's just like, "Slow down,
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we're gonna get there."
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It's a one bedroom
apartment, so as soon as you walk in
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you can see furniture
thrown about,
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the whole place
seems to be in disarray.
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We have a beer bottle
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that's in the middle
of the kitchen counter,
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we have a marijuana cigarette,
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and you have CD's thrown about.
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The fact they were
just scattered
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throughout the apartment
was weird to me.
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To be honest with you
in this particular case here
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the... scene looked staged
so to speak.
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We look for signs
of forced entry
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and we could not find
a true source of forced entry
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and we were curious
of how the suspects
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got inside the apartment.
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Did the victims
know the suspect?
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Did they let the suspects in?
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Or did they have the key
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to the victim's apartment?
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There's a pool of blood
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right by a chair
that's in the living room.
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You know, when we you have
pool of blood there
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as opposed to just droplets,
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it lets me know that most likely
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some type of attack
took place there
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and the person was lying there
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for a prolonged period of time.
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And I also saw blood
throughout the apartment.
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It is on the walls as if
someone was grabbing the walls,
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as they were been dragged
into the main bedroom.
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In the bedroom things
are in disarray as well,
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looks to be ransacked
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and the victims
are found in the closet
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and they're stacked
on top of each other.
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Looking at the victim's bodies,
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I can see
what appears to be trauma
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on both victims,
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as if they were struck
with some type of object.
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They had this gray duct tape
that was around their legs,
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their hands were duct taped
behind their bodies
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and then the tape went
all the way up to the eyes,
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so it covered their nose.
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Layers and layers of tape,
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that was a shocking view to see.
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They were
elderly, they lived there alone.
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I could see by the bed
there was an oxygen tank
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that was used
by one of the victims.
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So it made me think,
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man this is
a horrible way to die.
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You can only imagine
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just how much they're
trying to grasp for air
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and not being able to do so
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with the layers of duct tape
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around your mouth and your nose.
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And you just think that
the person that did this
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had no mercy for them, you know.
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And they were
eventually identified
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as Mr. Long Nguyen
and Ms. Huong Ly.
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In the city of Arlington,
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all the Vietnamese community
is pretty big,
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businesses, banking,
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grocery stores,
restaurants and you have it.
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So it became a big part
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and still is a big part
of Arlington
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which is,
a positive aspect of...
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For the city.
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Long Nguyen and Huong Ly,
were Vietnamese couple,
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they came to America,
they started a family,
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they had a daughter,
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they had a son-in-law,
grand kids.
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They built a business
from the ground up
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and they supported their
entire family with that business.
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They're living
basically the American dream.
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You know,
you start to think about
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your parents, your grandparents,
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that you do get
emotionally involved.
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It was horrible the...
You know,
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the whole crime--
It was horrible.
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The one thing that I remember is
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that their hands
were touching each other.
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It just felt like
they were just together
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and they stayed together
the entire time.
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They're so connected
and as a couple
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that they know
this is the end for us
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and we gonna go together,
you know.
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I was under the adage that
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there's nothing I haven't seen
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but that is stuck in my mind
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and you know,
I can still see that now.
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We have
a call back
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First impression you think of
is that a robbery took place.
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And in the course
of that robbery
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somebody killed the victims.
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But it didn't seem like
anything of value was taken,
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we felt that
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we were probably dealing with
at least two suspects.
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Just the logistic
of dealing with two people,
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how the bodies were positioned,
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I thought that it would be
kind of hard for one person
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to control both victims.
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We processed the scene,
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we did not find
any definitive fingerprints
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that would give us a lead
to any possible suspect.
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We also looked at
their bloody handprints
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and we had that tested as well,
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and that blood came back
to the victim Long Nguyen.
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One of the things
that looked out of place
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was the ashtray that
had a joint in it.
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We're talking about
the elderly Asian couple,
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it was just totally
out of place.
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We put a rush job
on that marijuana cigarette.
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And for us to at least
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at the very least
get a DNA profile.
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At that point
I had a mental note
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of all of that stuff
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that I wanted to question
the family about.
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The after the murder
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I asked the family to come
to the police station.
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Uh, the family was
in a total state of shock,
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they confused about
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how and what happened
to the... to the family.
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- What's your first name?
- C-H-A-U.
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C-H-A-U.
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Chau Tran, he was the son-in-law
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to the victims
was the only person
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that spoke English,
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his wife and his mother
didn't speak in English.
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So I started going through
the process with Chau,
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since he was my main source
of communication.
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Chau explained to me
that the night before
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the victims
along with his mother
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came to his home
to celebrate their birthdays.
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It was Long
Nguyen's birthday along with Chau's.
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They were just
loving grandparents, you know?
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They're someone who I also
consider my best friend as well.
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My parents owned a sewing
business with my grandparents.
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I would go out there
mainly every day
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just to help them as well.
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It was just kinda cool
being out there
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because it was just our family,
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my brothers and my parents,
and my grandparents.
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Just hang out at the shop,
you know?
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That was like my whole...
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Kinda like my whole childhood.
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I think I visit my grandparents
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maybe three, four times
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out of the week just to
hang out with them,
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eat, because, man,
both my grandparents can cook.
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Both of them can cook.
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I was only 15
when my grandparents passed.
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It was like why would someone
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do this to
two 60-year old people?
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Yes.
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Um, and...
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We were just
trying to figure out
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some type of motive.
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They own this sewing business.
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Oh, yeah.
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No...
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Okay. Okay.
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Yes, yes.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Uh, they did commercial
sewing for amusement parks.
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The business is not open
to the public,
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so this was not a possibility
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of a customer who's gone mad.
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Mmm-hmm. Mmm-hmm.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Mmm-hmm. Mmm-hmm.
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Chau and his family
was able to give me
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a lot of insight
on some of the things
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that I noticed
from the crime scene.
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We talked about any jewelry
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that could've been taken
from the family.
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But we didn't
find any of those items
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at the crime scene.
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I said,
"Did they smoke marijuana?"
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But he assured me
that was not the case here.
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I'm with the family
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at the police station
for over four hours.
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I express sorrow to Chau.
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I want them to know that I care,
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I want them to know that
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I can't bring
your loved one back.
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But I can give you
that closure that you need
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to not wonder who did this.
283
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I arrive at the
medical examiner's office,
284
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so I can get a better look
285
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at the victims'
body at that time.
286
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I can see trauma throughout
the facial areas,
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as well as the hands
and the bodies.
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00:19:07,312 --> 00:19:08,813
On Mr. Nguyen's head,
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00:19:08,815 --> 00:19:11,983
it appeared to have a claw mark.
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We didn't find any type of
291
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item that was used
against the victims.
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So we can only speculate
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that they were struck
with a hammer.
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Although they had extensive
trauma throughout the body,
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the asphyxiation was
the official cause of death
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due to the duct tape
that was wrapped around
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the victims'
eyes and nostrils and mouth.
298
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And a horrible way to die.
299
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Just a horrible way to die.
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We needed to find
a possible suspect fast.
301
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It's our job to come up
with some type of answer.
302
00:20:23,589 --> 00:20:26,257
I asked Diane to
start the canvassing,
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00:20:27,526 --> 00:20:30,494
see if anybody saw or heard
anything at the time.
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00:20:33,832 --> 00:20:36,100
At this point
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00:20:36,102 --> 00:20:38,069
I've gotten the results back
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00:20:38,071 --> 00:20:41,205
for the DNA samples
from the crime scene.
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00:20:41,207 --> 00:20:43,608
Just as expected,
the profile that we got
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from the marijuana joint
that was left...
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00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:49,947
did not match
that of the victims.
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I did ask for a possible
racial background
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00:20:55,188 --> 00:20:56,554
of the DNA sample.
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00:20:59,157 --> 00:21:00,625
This particular sample
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00:21:00,627 --> 00:21:03,394
could be that of
an African-American person.
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00:21:08,467 --> 00:21:09,834
We have that sample
315
00:21:09,836 --> 00:21:11,836
that was taken from
the marijuana cigarette,
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00:21:11,838 --> 00:21:13,204
placed into CODIS.
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00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:16,774
CODIS has
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00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:19,010
hundreds of thousands
of people in there,
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00:21:19,012 --> 00:21:21,012
if not millions
of people in there,
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00:21:21,014 --> 00:21:23,381
and the results from
a sample like that,
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00:21:23,383 --> 00:21:25,116
takes time.
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00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:27,218
So therefore, we have to wait.
323
00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:33,057
We continued canvassing
the apartment complex.
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And in the course of that...
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We learned there was
an apartment
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right down the walkway
from the victims' apartment
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00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:43,668
that was said to have a party
328
00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:46,504
the night of this offense.
329
00:21:53,745 --> 00:21:56,614
So Byron goes, find out
who lives in that apartment,
330
00:21:56,616 --> 00:21:58,549
and find out it's this guy
named David Hayes.
331
00:22:00,652 --> 00:22:02,186
He, along with his girlfriend,
332
00:22:02,188 --> 00:22:03,954
lived in that apartment.
333
00:22:03,956 --> 00:22:06,724
They did have
a party that night.
334
00:22:08,894 --> 00:22:11,896
They were drinking
at the time, partying.
335
00:22:11,898 --> 00:22:14,065
They stated that they were
out in the courtyard,
336
00:22:14,067 --> 00:22:16,100
which is adjacent
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00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:18,069
to the victims' apartment.
338
00:22:20,472 --> 00:22:23,474
This was a particular
concern for us
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00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:26,711
because everyone
in apartment number seven
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00:22:26,713 --> 00:22:29,280
were African-American,
you know, Black males.
341
00:22:30,482 --> 00:22:33,217
I'd ask for
a sample of this DNA.
342
00:22:33,219 --> 00:22:34,919
He agreed.
343
00:22:34,921 --> 00:22:36,554
David told us that he had
344
00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:38,923
his brothers there as well
at the party.
345
00:22:40,459 --> 00:22:42,059
He gives his brother's name
346
00:22:42,061 --> 00:22:44,895
as Samuel Gregory.
347
00:22:48,234 --> 00:22:49,734
Doing
a background check on him,
348
00:22:49,736 --> 00:22:51,902
I realized that
349
00:22:51,904 --> 00:22:53,604
he didn't give me
the right name.
350
00:22:55,674 --> 00:22:59,176
I found out his name was
Shannon Gregory and not Samuel.
351
00:22:59,178 --> 00:23:02,279
Shannon Gregory
had a criminal history.
352
00:23:02,281 --> 00:23:06,183
And that criminal
history involved,
353
00:23:06,185 --> 00:23:08,519
gang-related activity,
354
00:23:08,521 --> 00:23:10,654
felony arrest in the past.
355
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:17,428
Shannon Gregory had a DNA
profile already on file,
356
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:21,165
due to his
past felony convictions.
357
00:23:21,167 --> 00:23:23,167
We were on pins and needle
waiting to see
358
00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:25,269
what kind of results
we were gonna get back.
359
00:23:34,112 --> 00:23:36,914
We learned that
Shannon Gregory's DNA profile
360
00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:40,251
did not match the
marijuana cigarette
361
00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:42,219
inside the apartment.
362
00:23:44,389 --> 00:23:47,691
And then we also get
initial information that
363
00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:49,627
the person that left that sample
364
00:23:49,629 --> 00:23:52,163
is not in the CODIS database.
365
00:23:52,165 --> 00:23:53,998
So therefore we have to wait.
366
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,733
That was... That was a blow.
367
00:23:55,735 --> 00:23:57,334
It's really frustrating for me.
368
00:23:59,871 --> 00:24:02,239
I think that,
369
00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:04,208
you know, Byron was a little...
370
00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:06,744
He was a little discouraged,
you know, at that point.
371
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,749
I knew that we needed to find
372
00:24:11,751 --> 00:24:14,084
the DNA that matched
the marijuana cigarette
373
00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:15,719
inside the apartment.
374
00:24:21,059 --> 00:24:22,893
So Susie, are police any closer
375
00:24:22,895 --> 00:24:24,328
to catching the killer here?
376
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:26,397
There is no motive, no suspects,
377
00:24:26,399 --> 00:24:29,633
and still no persons
of interest in this case.
378
00:24:29,635 --> 00:24:31,735
With the killer still
at large and few leads,
379
00:24:31,737 --> 00:24:33,471
residents say they're worried.
380
00:24:33,473 --> 00:24:35,539
Kinda scary. You know,
I got two young children,
381
00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:37,141
a four-year old
and my two-year old
382
00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:39,710
and it just makes me not
even wanna live here,
383
00:24:39,712 --> 00:24:40,778
it makes me wanna move.
384
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,647
You have the apartment complex
385
00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:45,382
and the community as a whole,
386
00:24:45,384 --> 00:24:47,351
worried about their safety.
387
00:24:48,386 --> 00:24:50,221
I think somebody
who has the courage enough
388
00:24:50,223 --> 00:24:53,057
to come forward with
information in this case,
389
00:24:53,059 --> 00:24:55,826
can really bring closure not
only to that community out there,
390
00:24:55,828 --> 00:24:57,127
but also to the family.
391
00:25:03,568 --> 00:25:05,803
As we canvass their apartment,
392
00:25:05,805 --> 00:25:08,506
we end up interviewing
a lot of people,
393
00:25:10,775 --> 00:25:12,977
all of those people did allow us
394
00:25:12,979 --> 00:25:14,945
to take a DNA profile swab.
395
00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:19,016
Byron swabbed a lot of people,
396
00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:23,487
just so he can try to get a hit.
397
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:25,956
We kept running into dead ends
398
00:25:25,958 --> 00:25:27,892
and no one matched
that particular,
399
00:25:27,894 --> 00:25:29,894
DNA profile we had.
400
00:25:29,896 --> 00:25:32,830
So we're kinda at a loss
at this point.
401
00:25:41,473 --> 00:25:43,741
It's during
this time that I get a phone call
402
00:25:43,743 --> 00:25:45,476
from the insurance company.
403
00:25:46,645 --> 00:25:48,279
And it's not uncommon
for me to get
404
00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:49,747
a phone call
from the insurance company
405
00:25:49,749 --> 00:25:51,849
because everybody has policies
406
00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:53,951
out on loved ones.
407
00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:56,520
But when they told me
it was over $1,000,000
408
00:25:56,522 --> 00:25:58,923
and 1.8 to be exact,
409
00:26:00,592 --> 00:26:02,726
that kinda sparked my interest.
410
00:26:05,163 --> 00:26:07,665
And I said, well, I've dealt
with a lot of insurance policies
411
00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:10,301
but I've never had one
that was that high.
412
00:26:12,971 --> 00:26:15,005
The beneficiaries
were Chau Tran,
413
00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:16,874
the son-in-law, and the...
414
00:26:16,876 --> 00:26:18,342
And his wife Oanh,
415
00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:20,544
who's the daughter
of the victims.
416
00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:22,980
Almost $2,000,000.
417
00:26:22,982 --> 00:26:25,583
That initially
gave me some concern.
418
00:26:32,324 --> 00:26:34,391
I decided to take a drive
419
00:26:34,393 --> 00:26:37,361
up to the sewing business.
420
00:26:40,899 --> 00:26:42,700
I look around that area
421
00:26:42,702 --> 00:26:44,468
and I see these
surveillance cameras.
422
00:26:46,171 --> 00:26:48,505
I go to the management there
423
00:26:48,507 --> 00:26:52,576
and I asked her if the
cameras were working.
424
00:26:52,578 --> 00:26:54,578
And she said yes.
425
00:26:57,916 --> 00:26:59,817
I looked at June 9th.
426
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,621
Chau said that
the victims left his house
427
00:27:03,623 --> 00:27:06,090
around 10:00 to go back home.
428
00:27:08,326 --> 00:27:09,927
Around 10:30 or so,
429
00:27:09,929 --> 00:27:13,263
you can see what appears
to be Chau's van
430
00:27:13,265 --> 00:27:14,965
pulling up to
the sewing business.
431
00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:22,773
I can see two people
get out of the van,
432
00:27:22,775 --> 00:27:25,743
and they're carrying this
large duffel bag.
433
00:27:27,445 --> 00:27:30,047
And Chau opens the door.
434
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:32,016
He had to kinda struggle
to get that
435
00:27:32,018 --> 00:27:34,284
large duffel bag
inside the business.
436
00:27:37,555 --> 00:27:40,057
It appears that he just
dropped it in the business
437
00:27:40,059 --> 00:27:41,592
and then immediately came out.
438
00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:47,431
And then he puts
439
00:27:47,433 --> 00:27:49,233
a bag inside the dumpster.
440
00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,505
Was Chau there dumping
a murder weapon
441
00:27:54,507 --> 00:27:57,107
or something else incriminating?
442
00:27:57,109 --> 00:27:59,176
During my initial interview
with Chau,
443
00:27:59,178 --> 00:28:02,146
he never mentioned
that he left the house
444
00:28:02,148 --> 00:28:03,614
after the party.
445
00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:07,685
I was starting to think what
is Chau up to up this point.
446
00:28:19,464 --> 00:28:22,032
I wanna know
what's in that dumpster.
447
00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:24,735
So with that being said...
448
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:27,304
I jump into that dumpster.
449
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:34,011
I scrambled
through all these bags...
450
00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:39,216
until I find the bag
that belonged to Chau.
451
00:28:41,786 --> 00:28:44,688
And I can see mailings
and, you know,
452
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:46,290
stuff with their names on it.
453
00:28:48,193 --> 00:28:52,162
And I can see
other just various trash.
454
00:28:52,164 --> 00:28:55,232
I did take some of the items,
455
00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:57,401
you know, with his name
and stuff on it.
456
00:28:57,403 --> 00:29:00,904
But nothing that was, um, uh...
457
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,107
you know, incriminating
or anything like that.
458
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,414
I also called Chau
had him meet me
459
00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:12,082
at the business location.
460
00:29:16,287 --> 00:29:18,188
I asked him
about the duffel bag.
461
00:29:19,791 --> 00:29:23,460
As soon as he open the door,
I can see the duffel bag
462
00:29:23,462 --> 00:29:26,296
with, uh, that I recognized
on the video.
463
00:29:33,738 --> 00:29:36,106
And it was full of material
464
00:29:36,108 --> 00:29:38,275
that would be used for sewing.
465
00:29:42,914 --> 00:29:45,048
I asked Chau, I said,
"Why would you guys
466
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:49,052
have that much insurance
on that couple?
467
00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:50,821
This seemed kind of
obsessive for me
468
00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:52,389
for you to have that much."
469
00:29:52,391 --> 00:29:54,658
And Chau explain
that the business
470
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:58,495
was in the Huong Ly
and Long Nguyen's name.
471
00:29:58,497 --> 00:30:01,231
And that... For the business,
472
00:30:01,233 --> 00:30:03,033
the family all felt like
473
00:30:03,035 --> 00:30:05,369
they needed this much
insurance to carry on
474
00:30:05,371 --> 00:30:07,137
if something were to
happen to them.
475
00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:09,306
I did check the business out
and the business
476
00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:10,440
was in their name.
477
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:14,645
They had taken the policy out
over a year
478
00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:16,280
prior to the murder.
479
00:30:16,282 --> 00:30:18,482
His explanation behind it
made sense.
480
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,655
I did not consider
481
00:30:24,657 --> 00:30:29,626
Chau, nor his family to be,
possible suspects.
482
00:30:29,628 --> 00:30:32,262
I'd really...
had established report
483
00:30:32,264 --> 00:30:34,131
with Chau and his family
484
00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:35,732
and I knew I could not withhold
485
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:37,301
that insurance policy based on
486
00:30:37,303 --> 00:30:39,002
the information that I had.
487
00:30:40,939 --> 00:30:44,041
I'd let the insurance company
know that they could carry on
488
00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:46,376
with the
release of the benefits.
489
00:30:48,713 --> 00:30:50,214
It's frustrating at this time,
490
00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:54,218
because we just don't have
a motive.
491
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:57,888
We don't have
any kind of evidence
492
00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:01,792
and... And I just
can't seem to catch a break
493
00:31:01,794 --> 00:31:04,862
on coming up
with a possible suspect.
494
00:31:07,132 --> 00:31:09,900
The killers
are still at large.
495
00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:16,106
One hundred days later now.
496
00:31:16,108 --> 00:31:18,909
Police are still looking
for a break in the case.
497
00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:26,350
It kind of went cold,
as far as the leads.
498
00:31:26,352 --> 00:31:29,119
Nothing really panning out,
you know, when he wanted it,
499
00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:30,754
but he continued to work on it.
500
00:31:33,157 --> 00:31:35,559
I'm contemplating retirement,
501
00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:39,129
I don't want this case
hanging over my head.
502
00:31:39,131 --> 00:31:42,466
And I know I have DNA
that is just sitting out there
503
00:31:42,468 --> 00:31:44,501
of a possible suspect,
504
00:31:44,503 --> 00:31:46,169
you would think a person
who would commit
505
00:31:46,171 --> 00:31:49,406
a crime like this,
surely would do something else
506
00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:52,409
at some point that would
cause us
507
00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:54,378
to have their DNA in the system.
508
00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:55,579
But that wasn't happening.
509
00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:04,388
That was the case
more so than any case ever.
510
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:06,390
That was the one case that I saw
511
00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:08,325
quite a little bit of emotion
at home.
512
00:32:09,794 --> 00:32:12,229
He has a great sense of humor.
513
00:32:12,231 --> 00:32:14,831
But I also know that
sometimes the sense of humor
514
00:32:14,833 --> 00:32:17,834
could be a way of working
through the pain
515
00:32:17,836 --> 00:32:20,270
of what he's seen.
516
00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:22,973
And he would go upstairs
to decompress.
517
00:32:25,643 --> 00:32:27,644
You know, when you have
your alone time,
518
00:32:27,646 --> 00:32:31,682
you, um... You always talk
to yourself, at least I do.
519
00:32:31,684 --> 00:32:33,583
You know, as we say in homicide,
520
00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:35,419
you have to have
the homicide gods
521
00:32:35,421 --> 00:32:36,386
with you as well.
522
00:32:38,222 --> 00:32:40,223
I used to ask for,
"Give me a sign
523
00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:41,558
and give me a clue
or something."
524
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:46,697
I started doubting
whether or not
525
00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:50,267
I was gonna get a...
Get the lead that I wanted.
526
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:52,836
I felt that this was going to be
527
00:32:52,838 --> 00:32:56,440
that pinned in legacy
of my time in Arlington.
528
00:32:58,376 --> 00:33:01,111
It was just, like, a big stone
529
00:33:01,113 --> 00:33:02,612
that you couldn't move.
530
00:33:04,882 --> 00:33:08,618
But one quote
that we used to have is,
531
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:10,187
"We work for the dead."
532
00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:12,522
Long Nguyen and Huong Ly are...
533
00:33:12,524 --> 00:33:16,493
I have their pictures
on my file cabinet.
534
00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:21,064
It's just a reminder
of who I'm working for.
535
00:33:27,538 --> 00:33:31,241
The image where the couple
was in the closet,
536
00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:33,677
their hands are interlocked,
537
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,313
was traumatic for Byron.
538
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:41,518
That always, you know,
was in the back of his mind.
539
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,653
And I think that was also
the driving force
540
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:47,290
that I am going to find out
who did this to this couple.
541
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:01,371
I would
keep in contact with Chau.
542
00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:04,975
I wanted to maintain
this level of communication.
543
00:34:04,977 --> 00:34:06,977
And I would always tell Chau,
"I'll tell you I...
544
00:34:06,979 --> 00:34:09,346
I haven't forgotten
about you guys."
545
00:34:09,348 --> 00:34:11,148
I wanted to maintain
546
00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:13,517
that sense of connection
with them.
547
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:18,055
Byron was the most
genuine person
548
00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:19,723
that I've ever met.
549
00:34:19,725 --> 00:34:22,359
Um, he was loving
550
00:34:22,361 --> 00:34:25,829
and he just wanted
to make sure that we were good
551
00:34:25,831 --> 00:34:29,232
and constantly
checking up on us.
552
00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,701
It had that comfortness
553
00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:34,671
knowing that someone
had our backs,
554
00:34:34,673 --> 00:34:38,375
someone who would do anything
555
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:41,578
to make sure that, you know,
556
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:44,214
justice is done.
557
00:34:53,324 --> 00:34:56,226
It's been
three years at this point.
558
00:34:56,228 --> 00:34:59,429
I'm frustrated. I'm tired.
559
00:34:59,431 --> 00:35:01,398
I've worked several other
cases at that point.
560
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,633
But I've always come back
full circle
561
00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:04,801
to this case here.
562
00:35:06,237 --> 00:35:08,371
And then finally...
563
00:35:09,808 --> 00:35:12,576
in October of 2015,
564
00:35:12,578 --> 00:35:16,413
I get a call
from the lieutenant.
565
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,449
He called me and said...
566
00:35:21,185 --> 00:35:23,286
"They found a match
567
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,754
to that marijuana cigarette."
568
00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:35,198
And I say
to the lieutenant,
569
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,968
"Are you telling the truth?
Are you reading this right?"
570
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:39,302
He says, "I'm reading it
right here.
571
00:35:39,304 --> 00:35:41,738
It says, 'A marijuana cigarette
572
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,773
that's found
in the crime scene.'"
573
00:35:49,113 --> 00:35:51,214
At this point, I'm in shock.
574
00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:52,582
I'm in disbelief.
575
00:35:54,752 --> 00:35:56,486
I get the official letter.
576
00:35:57,955 --> 00:36:00,290
And I get up from my desk.
577
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,929
And I started running around
the third floor screaming,
578
00:36:05,931 --> 00:36:08,165
"I got him! I got him!"
579
00:36:08,167 --> 00:36:09,866
And everyone is saying,
"What the hell
580
00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:12,202
is wrong with Stewart?"
581
00:36:12,204 --> 00:36:14,070
I kept looking at it
over and over,
582
00:36:14,072 --> 00:36:16,039
"Yes, this is the match
583
00:36:16,041 --> 00:36:19,576
to the marijuana cigarette
that was found at the scene."
584
00:36:19,578 --> 00:36:21,444
And that person name
is Willie Guillory.
585
00:36:24,882 --> 00:36:26,783
Once you get that information
back on Willie,
586
00:36:26,785 --> 00:36:29,352
that his DNA
was in that crime scene,
587
00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,855
it's like now
we're just starting this case,
588
00:36:31,857 --> 00:36:33,990
this case is brand new.
589
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,629
Once I got
that DNA notification,
590
00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:42,232
I wasn't putting
any papers in to retire
591
00:36:42,234 --> 00:36:43,934
until this case was done.
592
00:36:46,437 --> 00:36:47,971
So now, I want to know
593
00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:50,473
everything I can
about Willie Guillory.
594
00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:54,144
Willie had been arrested
595
00:36:54,146 --> 00:36:57,080
for stealing a horse,
which is a felony in Texas.
596
00:36:57,082 --> 00:36:59,115
When he was arrested on that,
597
00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:01,685
his DNA was put into CODIS.
598
00:37:01,687 --> 00:37:04,454
So that's how we got a match.
599
00:37:04,456 --> 00:37:06,356
We realized
that he's on probation
600
00:37:06,358 --> 00:37:08,024
for the theft,
601
00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:10,093
and he's in violation
of that probation.
602
00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:14,798
And so I got a warrant,
and we set out to arrest him
603
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,334
on the probation violation
that he had.
604
00:37:19,003 --> 00:37:21,338
Luckily for us,
605
00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:23,273
instead of being
in the Houston area,
606
00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:25,575
he was in the Fort Worth area,
607
00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:28,278
which is a city adjacent to us.
608
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,082
He was
living in a homeless area,
609
00:37:32,084 --> 00:37:34,017
and he's 20 years old.
610
00:37:36,187 --> 00:37:38,588
So I gave the warrant
to our fugitive unit
611
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:40,724
and eventually,
like they always do,
612
00:37:40,726 --> 00:37:43,226
they found him and they were
able to arrest him
613
00:37:43,228 --> 00:37:45,695
on that warrant
that he currently have.
614
00:37:51,202 --> 00:37:52,535
All right, Willie.
615
00:37:57,875 --> 00:37:59,743
And now
Willie's under the impression
616
00:37:59,745 --> 00:38:03,246
that he's been arrested
on his probation violation.
617
00:38:03,248 --> 00:38:06,316
So his mindset is,
618
00:38:06,318 --> 00:38:07,717
"Okay, you caught me, you know,
619
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,552
he knew he was in violation."
620
00:38:37,014 --> 00:38:39,149
We got all the
preliminary information out.
621
00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:41,251
He was very comfortable
at that point.
622
00:38:41,253 --> 00:38:43,119
And then I said, "Willie,
I have something else
623
00:38:43,121 --> 00:38:45,121
I want to talk to you about."
624
00:38:52,963 --> 00:38:54,664
And the expression on his face
625
00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:56,066
changed at that point.
626
00:39:17,621 --> 00:39:22,392
Byron's staller
interview is very long.
627
00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:25,595
It's very...
He's very methodical.
628
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:28,598
I learn a lot, you know,
working alongside of him.
629
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,402
Very smooth, very cool,
always in control.
630
00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:07,470
At 16 years old,
631
00:40:07,472 --> 00:40:09,139
we don't believe
Willie by himself
632
00:40:09,141 --> 00:40:11,741
can control two individuals
633
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,476
and kill them both.
634
00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:16,146
And wrap them over duct tape
and put them in the closet.
635
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:15,371
I don't know why my name
came up in this
636
00:41:15,373 --> 00:41:17,507
I've never been to Arlington.
637
00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:21,811
I didn't hurt nobody.
638
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:23,813
There were some other people.
639
00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:27,116
He started getting
really emotional.
640
00:41:29,488 --> 00:41:31,654
I sent the crime scene techs
in there
641
00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:35,024
and they came in and took
his sample of the DNA
642
00:41:35,026 --> 00:41:37,494
which made him even more
emotional at the time.
643
00:42:13,597 --> 00:42:16,733
We knew at that time that
Willie was there.
644
00:42:16,735 --> 00:42:19,669
He was involved in this offense.
645
00:42:19,671 --> 00:42:23,339
To what degree at
16 years old, I don't know.
646
00:42:23,341 --> 00:42:26,776
But we knew that we were
on the right track.
647
00:42:45,129 --> 00:42:46,930
Just being a father myself,
648
00:42:46,932 --> 00:42:51,935
it was very hard watching him
scream for his mother.
649
00:42:54,472 --> 00:42:57,240
He has to encompass a lot
of different emotions
650
00:42:57,242 --> 00:43:00,143
at the time and he's going
through a lot at the time.
651
00:43:00,145 --> 00:43:03,813
And so, it's a process,
asking for somebody
652
00:43:03,815 --> 00:43:06,583
who's gonna be comfortable
to him like his mother,
653
00:43:06,585 --> 00:43:08,451
is a part of that process.
654
00:43:11,289 --> 00:43:13,189
You know,
I called Willie's mother
655
00:43:13,191 --> 00:43:16,826
and I explained to her
Willie has been arrested
656
00:43:16,828 --> 00:43:21,164
for a capital murder that
happened here in Arlington.
657
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,801
It was just hard.
658
00:43:24,803 --> 00:43:27,503
As a mother, it was hard.
659
00:43:27,505 --> 00:43:29,238
I couldn't believe it.
660
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,640
I kinda dropped the phone.
661
00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:33,776
It felt like something
662
00:43:33,778 --> 00:43:35,945
just ripped out of me.
663
00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:39,949
I didn't think he was capable
of doing anything like that.
664
00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:43,386
And you can imagine
she was shocked,
665
00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,822
capital murder.
666
00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:47,690
He doesn't even live
in Arlington.
667
00:43:47,692 --> 00:43:49,392
He lives in Houston.
668
00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:51,594
How are you gonna arrest him
for a capital murder?
669
00:43:59,337 --> 00:44:01,137
Di and I
make the decision
670
00:44:01,139 --> 00:44:03,906
that we're going to drive
to the city of Houston.
671
00:44:07,778 --> 00:44:11,147
You guys okay?
A little nervous?
672
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,315
I got a conscience.
673
00:44:12,317 --> 00:44:13,850
I don't wanna charge anybody
674
00:44:13,852 --> 00:44:15,485
with anything
that they didn't do.
675
00:44:15,487 --> 00:44:17,120
You know how
that can go sometime.
676
00:44:24,528 --> 00:44:25,561
Mmm-hmm.
677
00:44:28,832 --> 00:44:29,832
Mmm-hmm.
678
00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:34,737
Mmm-hmm.
679
00:44:41,945 --> 00:44:42,845
Okay.
680
00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:47,950
Okay.
681
00:44:47,952 --> 00:44:51,254
Bobby had custody of Willie
682
00:44:51,256 --> 00:44:54,624
for, uh, at least...
683
00:44:54,626 --> 00:44:56,759
six years or more.
684
00:44:56,761 --> 00:44:59,662
He used to beat Willie.
685
00:44:59,664 --> 00:45:02,065
He used to...
686
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:09,105
He used to tell Willie
to do something or he gonna...
687
00:45:11,475 --> 00:45:15,311
he gonna do this to him
and he's gonna do that to him.
688
00:45:15,313 --> 00:45:17,747
He's low down and dirty.
689
00:45:19,016 --> 00:45:20,483
This led us to believe
690
00:45:20,485 --> 00:45:23,386
that Willie is not
the mastermind
691
00:45:23,388 --> 00:45:25,888
behind this offense.
692
00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:29,425
How do you guys believe
Bobby is involved in this?
693
00:45:47,644 --> 00:45:48,711
Mmm-hmm.
694
00:45:48,713 --> 00:45:49,746
Mmm-hmm.
695
00:45:51,348 --> 00:45:52,348
Mmm-hmm.
696
00:45:58,489 --> 00:45:59,455
Mmm-hmm.
697
00:46:02,494 --> 00:46:06,896
Everyone believed now
that Willie had involvement,
698
00:46:06,898 --> 00:46:09,665
but they thought the primary
source of that was Bobby.
699
00:46:20,711 --> 00:46:22,278
Bobby agreed to come
700
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,980
to the Katy Police Department
and talk to me.
701
00:46:26,683 --> 00:46:29,118
We began to interviewing him.
702
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,788
We gave him the full details
703
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:34,490
of why Willie had been arrested.
704
00:46:34,492 --> 00:46:36,626
I asked him, I said, "Bobby,
do you have any involvement
705
00:46:36,628 --> 00:46:37,894
in this as well?"
706
00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:40,196
He denied
any involvement in this.
707
00:46:52,276 --> 00:46:54,410
Although we don't have
enough information
708
00:46:54,412 --> 00:46:56,078
to arrest Bobby at this point,
709
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,747
I'm patient enough to know
710
00:46:57,749 --> 00:46:59,749
that he will cross
my path again.
711
00:47:04,888 --> 00:47:06,956
So, I turned my attentions
back to Willie
712
00:47:06,958 --> 00:47:11,661
and attempted to talk to him
again about the offense.
713
00:47:11,663 --> 00:47:14,397
Now, I want you to know that
I've been down in Houston
714
00:47:14,399 --> 00:47:16,065
and I've talked to your sister,
715
00:47:16,067 --> 00:47:17,733
talked to your mom, okay?
716
00:47:40,324 --> 00:47:42,491
Mmm-hmm.
717
00:47:45,662 --> 00:47:46,696
Mmm-hmm.
718
00:47:57,307 --> 00:47:58,341
Mmm-hmm.
719
00:48:21,866 --> 00:48:24,200
I contacted
the fugitive unit again.
720
00:48:25,202 --> 00:48:26,936
Based on the information
721
00:48:26,938 --> 00:48:30,339
that was given to us by Willie,
722
00:48:30,341 --> 00:48:33,342
I obtained a warrant
for Bobby's arrest
723
00:48:33,344 --> 00:48:35,144
for capital murder
724
00:48:35,146 --> 00:48:38,648
and the fugitive team
went down to the Houston area
725
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:41,150
and they made the arrest
726
00:48:41,152 --> 00:48:44,053
and had him transported
back to Arlington.
727
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:18,654
It's been a long road for us
to get to the point
728
00:49:18,656 --> 00:49:20,089
where we're talking to Bobby,
729
00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:23,659
but I think Bobby,
just like Willie,
730
00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:25,928
knew once we told him
about this offense
731
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:28,965
that this day was coming
one day sooner or later
732
00:49:28,967 --> 00:49:30,366
it was gonna come.
733
00:49:39,943 --> 00:49:42,311
We gave him the full details
734
00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:45,915
of why Willie had been arrested.
735
00:49:45,917 --> 00:49:48,150
I asked him, I said, "Bobby,
do you have any involvement
736
00:49:48,152 --> 00:49:49,085
in this as well?"
737
00:49:55,525 --> 00:49:56,826
I'm looking on how
738
00:49:56,828 --> 00:49:58,828
I can connect with Bobby.
739
00:49:58,830 --> 00:50:01,597
I tried to take
full advantage of that.
740
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,899
I noticed that he had
a picture of
741
00:50:03,901 --> 00:50:06,068
Jesus Christ on his shoulder.
742
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,554
His facial expressions,
his body language...
743
00:50:27,958 --> 00:50:30,359
everything indicated
that he was ready.
744
00:50:37,334 --> 00:50:38,401
Mmm-hmm.
745
00:50:48,979 --> 00:50:50,079
Mmm-hmm.
746
00:51:10,967 --> 00:51:12,201
No.
747
00:51:12,203 --> 00:51:14,103
No, I did not intend.
748
00:51:18,408 --> 00:51:20,643
Just to stop them
from hollering.
749
00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:36,125
We got
the entire confession.
750
00:51:36,127 --> 00:51:39,728
It was a quiet moment,
on the third floor.
751
00:51:42,867 --> 00:51:44,533
But we're still not done.
752
00:51:49,507 --> 00:51:52,508
Obviously, he said that,
753
00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:55,945
he did not mean
to kill the couple at all.
754
00:51:55,947 --> 00:51:58,280
And I know this is not true
because of the condition
755
00:51:58,282 --> 00:52:03,219
of their body and how
they were brutally killed.
756
00:52:03,221 --> 00:52:05,054
And it made no sense
for them to drive
757
00:52:05,056 --> 00:52:08,491
all the way to Arlington
to rob this elderly couple.
758
00:52:08,493 --> 00:52:09,892
I started getting the impression
759
00:52:09,894 --> 00:52:11,594
that someone put them up
to this.
760
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:43,759
I knew he wasn't telling
the truth at this point.
761
00:52:43,761 --> 00:52:45,694
Now, I'm starting to think
762
00:52:45,696 --> 00:52:47,329
he's trying to cover
for someone.
763
00:52:50,367 --> 00:52:52,067
Now, we're starting
to think, okay,
764
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:54,236
this is definitely
a murder for hire.
765
00:52:54,238 --> 00:52:56,839
They're not the end of this.
766
00:52:56,841 --> 00:53:00,109
You know, we still need
to figure out,
767
00:53:00,111 --> 00:53:02,711
who's behind this
because we know at this point
768
00:53:02,713 --> 00:53:05,347
that they're not behind this.
769
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:09,084
I then turn
my attentions back to Willie.
770
00:53:09,086 --> 00:53:13,088
Since Bobby confessed,
Willie began to talk.
771
00:53:58,101 --> 00:54:01,337
He told us that he and his uncle
772
00:54:01,339 --> 00:54:05,074
had driven down from
the Houston area to Arlington
773
00:54:05,076 --> 00:54:08,844
with a specific intent
to kill the victims.
774
00:54:08,846 --> 00:54:11,680
He said that
there's another person
775
00:54:11,682 --> 00:54:13,916
that was involved
in this case as well.
776
00:54:37,941 --> 00:54:40,509
- Dephne?
- Okay. Okay.
777
00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:47,249
We have
a new player here
778
00:54:47,251 --> 00:54:49,885
who we don't know anything
about at this point.
779
00:55:11,608 --> 00:55:14,209
Willie explained that Dephne
780
00:55:14,211 --> 00:55:17,112
was related to a woman name Vi
781
00:55:17,114 --> 00:55:19,448
who is uncle Bobby
was dating at the time.
782
00:55:23,286 --> 00:55:25,421
Mmm-hmm.
783
00:55:25,423 --> 00:55:28,090
We were able to confirm that
784
00:55:28,092 --> 00:55:31,794
this person named Vi who Bobby
was having affair with
785
00:55:31,796 --> 00:55:33,729
does exist.
786
00:55:33,731 --> 00:55:37,766
This person named Dephne
who he mentioned does exist.
787
00:55:37,768 --> 00:55:40,536
And he named her
to be Dephne Wright.
788
00:55:46,209 --> 00:55:51,413
So we start looking
into Dephne Wright.
789
00:55:53,784 --> 00:55:55,451
Dephne and Vi are Vietnamese
790
00:55:55,453 --> 00:55:58,887
and they live
in the Houston area as well.
791
00:55:58,889 --> 00:56:00,789
And, with Dephne,
792
00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:02,524
we realized that
she did not have
793
00:56:02,526 --> 00:56:04,493
any kind of criminal history
or anything like that,
794
00:56:04,495 --> 00:56:07,529
but based on the information
795
00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:10,799
that was supplied by Willie,
796
00:56:10,801 --> 00:56:14,336
and eventually by Bobby,
797
00:56:14,338 --> 00:56:16,939
we learned that Dephne
provided the key
798
00:56:16,941 --> 00:56:18,640
to the victims' apartment.
799
00:56:29,486 --> 00:56:31,320
Dephne was the person that
800
00:56:31,322 --> 00:56:33,355
got this whole ball rolling.
801
00:56:35,024 --> 00:56:37,393
Dephne told Bobby
802
00:56:37,395 --> 00:56:40,829
what time the victims
would be gone from the house,
803
00:56:40,831 --> 00:56:43,232
where they would be at the time.
804
00:56:47,904 --> 00:56:50,038
All of that information
805
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,841
was supplied to him by Dephne.
806
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:15,264
So, now it made sense to us,
money is the motive here.
807
00:57:15,266 --> 00:57:20,235
Willie was just used
in this process.
808
00:57:20,237 --> 00:57:24,406
Bobby had financial strains
on his mortgage,
809
00:57:24,408 --> 00:57:26,742
he's not working at the time
as well, so he...
810
00:57:26,744 --> 00:57:29,077
Money was his motivating factor.
811
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:33,081
But, Bobby still
do not understand
812
00:57:33,083 --> 00:57:37,486
the dynamics of why
he's committing this offense.
813
00:57:37,488 --> 00:57:40,489
We needed to figure out
the reason why
814
00:57:40,491 --> 00:57:43,091
Dephne solicit him
to do this offense.
815
00:57:50,366 --> 00:57:53,936
We drive back
to the Houston area again,
816
00:57:53,938 --> 00:57:56,004
to Dephne's house.
817
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,255
First thing we notice
when we get to her house
818
00:58:13,257 --> 00:58:16,124
is that there are
cameras everywhere.
819
00:58:16,126 --> 00:58:17,860
There's cameras in the backyard,
820
00:58:17,862 --> 00:58:20,929
there's cameras up front,
one on each end of the garage,
821
00:58:20,931 --> 00:58:23,332
one on a pole.
822
00:58:24,467 --> 00:58:26,335
Bars on the door,
823
00:58:26,337 --> 00:58:29,104
almost like it was, you know,
824
00:58:29,106 --> 00:58:30,639
break-in proof or something.
825
00:58:30,641 --> 00:58:33,141
It's just kind of weird.
826
00:58:33,143 --> 00:58:36,378
You know, so where we have pause
827
00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:38,547
about even wanting to
approach this place at this point,
828
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:39,748
you know, it's like fortress.
829
00:58:50,593 --> 00:58:52,761
As we're
walking up to the front door,
830
00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:54,696
Dephne comes out.
831
00:58:56,232 --> 00:58:58,200
I immediately turn on
my recorder at this point
832
00:58:58,202 --> 00:59:01,103
and I started recording
our conversation.
833
00:59:06,576 --> 00:59:09,111
Yeah.
834
00:59:10,446 --> 00:59:11,613
She says I have my own business.
835
00:59:11,615 --> 00:59:13,382
I do spiritual readings.
836
00:59:13,384 --> 00:59:15,817
And she says that
I remove curses and stuff
837
00:59:15,819 --> 00:59:17,653
from businesses
and things of that nature
838
00:59:17,655 --> 00:59:20,022
in the Vietnamese Community.
839
00:59:20,024 --> 00:59:22,858
People from all
economic backgrounds
840
00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:27,329
would pay her
significant money, $20,000,
841
00:59:27,331 --> 00:59:31,500
$30,000, $40,000
to remove curses.
842
00:59:31,502 --> 00:59:34,236
Or put curses on people as well.
843
00:59:34,238 --> 00:59:37,139
She was considered to be
a spiritually powerful person
844
00:59:37,141 --> 00:59:40,175
in the community that
was well-respected.
845
00:59:40,177 --> 00:59:41,777
I don't think
anyone messed with her.
846
00:59:54,857 --> 00:59:55,958
Mmm-hmm.
847
01:00:03,399 --> 01:00:06,034
And that stuck in my mind that
848
01:00:06,036 --> 01:00:09,171
she was very confident that
no one is gonna stiff her
849
01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:10,606
for removing his curses.
850
01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:16,111
Mmm-hmm.
851
01:00:20,083 --> 01:00:22,884
And I asked her,
do you know a person
852
01:00:22,886 --> 01:00:26,321
by the name of Bobby Guillory.
853
01:00:28,525 --> 01:00:31,760
I felt her cockiness, you know,
854
01:00:31,762 --> 01:00:35,230
even knowing that I know
that you're involved in this
855
01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:37,399
but you still come across as if,
856
01:00:37,401 --> 01:00:39,134
I had nothing to do with this.
857
01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:42,971
And then I said, well,
here's a picture of Bobby.
858
01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:44,940
Mmm-hmm.
859
01:00:50,179 --> 01:00:52,280
She said yes, that's James.
860
01:00:52,282 --> 01:00:54,816
I know James
but I don't know a Bobby.
861
01:00:56,586 --> 01:00:58,520
They know him as James.
862
01:00:58,522 --> 01:01:01,823
Now Bobby's full name
is Bobby James Guillory.
863
01:01:01,825 --> 01:01:05,560
So apparently he was using
the James with them
864
01:01:05,562 --> 01:01:08,130
and not Bobby.
865
01:01:08,132 --> 01:01:11,433
So, now we can kind of
put the pieces together
866
01:01:11,435 --> 01:01:16,071
to know that, yes,
that relationship does exist.
867
01:01:16,073 --> 01:01:19,474
So based on the totality
of all of that information,
868
01:01:19,476 --> 01:01:25,881
we made a decision
to get a warrant for Dephne
869
01:01:25,883 --> 01:01:27,516
and charge her
with the offense of
870
01:01:27,518 --> 01:01:28,817
capital murder as well.
871
01:01:46,336 --> 01:01:49,304
But still, there's so many
questions at this point.
872
01:01:49,306 --> 01:01:51,206
You just... It's...
You just...
873
01:01:51,208 --> 01:01:52,374
All over the place.
874
01:01:53,843 --> 01:01:57,612
Why are these people,
the victims,
875
01:01:57,614 --> 01:01:59,047
was there some sort of feud
876
01:01:59,049 --> 01:02:00,348
between the Dephne
and the victims
877
01:02:00,350 --> 01:02:02,050
that led to this murder?
878
01:02:02,052 --> 01:02:05,120
How did Dephne get the key
to the apartment?
879
01:02:05,122 --> 01:02:07,689
She in turn gave the key
to Bobby.
880
01:02:11,828 --> 01:02:13,628
We knew there was
a good possibility
881
01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:15,731
that Dephne could made bail
882
01:02:15,733 --> 01:02:18,533
so, at same time
that we arrested Dephne,
883
01:02:18,535 --> 01:02:21,002
we also got a search warrant
for her house.
884
01:02:33,816 --> 01:02:38,186
A monitor with probably 15
or so active cameras
885
01:02:38,188 --> 01:02:40,555
being displayed
at the same time.
886
01:02:44,660 --> 01:02:46,194
It was dark.
887
01:02:46,196 --> 01:02:47,963
It wasn't really well-kept.
888
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,001
The house was weird.
889
01:02:53,003 --> 01:02:56,004
It was, uh...
It was small space
890
01:02:56,006 --> 01:02:57,205
but lots of stuff.
891
01:03:00,877 --> 01:03:02,944
There's a shed in the backyard.
892
01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:09,417
They had jars with fruits in it.
893
01:03:09,419 --> 01:03:10,886
But it was on and alt...
894
01:03:10,888 --> 01:03:13,155
Uh, an alter
where it was offerings.
895
01:03:15,458 --> 01:03:18,026
Had candles lit.
896
01:03:18,028 --> 01:03:19,394
There was books in here too.
897
01:03:19,396 --> 01:03:21,029
How she did
her spiritual writings.
898
01:03:21,031 --> 01:03:22,898
And if you see it,
it just, like, calligraphy.
899
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,600
It's just didn't make any sense
900
01:03:25,602 --> 01:03:26,935
to the average person.
901
01:03:28,938 --> 01:03:31,606
I'm looking at everything
that's in this room.
902
01:03:31,608 --> 01:03:33,074
And I see this signing book.
903
01:03:36,946 --> 01:03:39,514
Now I can see that
there were a number of
904
01:03:39,516 --> 01:03:40,949
people with pictures.
905
01:03:43,052 --> 01:03:45,353
I don't know if this is
a photo of the clients
906
01:03:45,355 --> 01:03:48,123
or the people that
she need to put a spell on
907
01:03:48,125 --> 01:03:50,559
or the people she need
to take a spell off of,
908
01:03:50,561 --> 01:03:52,961
you don't know.
909
01:03:52,963 --> 01:03:55,263
Now,
who's on the page right here?
910
01:03:58,235 --> 01:04:01,903
I see Chau Tran's name
in the signing book.
911
01:04:14,050 --> 01:04:15,550
I'm going what the hell?
912
01:04:15,552 --> 01:04:18,220
Why the hell up is Chau Tran
in this book?
913
01:04:21,124 --> 01:04:24,459
We both became a little
concerned about Chau,
914
01:04:24,461 --> 01:04:28,129
that she could think that
she could cast a spell on him.
915
01:04:28,131 --> 01:04:31,199
You know, some voodoo stuff
that she had going on.
916
01:04:34,203 --> 01:04:36,872
So I called Chau.
917
01:04:40,476 --> 01:04:44,179
I said, "Chau, hey,
I need to meet with you.
918
01:04:44,181 --> 01:04:47,015
Can you meet me
at the department tomorrow?"
919
01:04:48,951 --> 01:04:51,086
And I didn't go into detail.
920
01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:53,321
He agreed to meet me
the following day.
921
01:04:59,662 --> 01:05:01,763
The next day comes around,
922
01:05:01,765 --> 01:05:03,832
I can't get in contact with him.
923
01:05:03,834 --> 01:05:05,333
I'm calling him.
924
01:05:05,335 --> 01:05:07,269
I still can't get
in contact with him.
925
01:05:10,507 --> 01:05:13,275
And then I get a call
from an attorney.
926
01:05:14,844 --> 01:05:17,078
Chau Tran came for advice,
927
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,415
about being interviewed
928
01:05:20,417 --> 01:05:21,850
by the police department
929
01:05:21,852 --> 01:05:24,119
or the detectives
handling this case.
930
01:05:24,121 --> 01:05:27,188
And, I advised him
not to do the interview
931
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:28,556
unless I was present.
932
01:05:43,473 --> 01:05:46,441
No.
933
01:05:48,511 --> 01:05:51,246
Up until this time
until this since 2012,
934
01:05:51,248 --> 01:05:54,683
I'd been communicating
with Chau directly,
935
01:05:54,685 --> 01:05:57,252
at my leisure,
and at his leisure, anytime.
936
01:06:01,390 --> 01:06:05,226
But once I got the call
from Chau's attorney,
937
01:06:05,228 --> 01:06:08,530
I knew I was never gonna be
able to talk to Chau again
938
01:06:08,532 --> 01:06:09,731
about this case.
939
01:06:23,212 --> 01:06:25,146
Right.
940
01:06:25,148 --> 01:06:28,183
Wait. What?
941
01:06:34,790 --> 01:06:36,257
This whole entire time,
942
01:06:36,259 --> 01:06:38,727
establishing a rapport with Chau
943
01:06:38,729 --> 01:06:40,562
and working this case for him
and his family
944
01:06:40,564 --> 01:06:41,997
to try to bring them closure,
945
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:46,301
and now it's turned out
that Chau is a suspect.
946
01:06:49,605 --> 01:06:52,107
I just need to be able
to prove it and confirm it.
947
01:06:58,581 --> 01:07:01,750
So we started
doing a background check on Chau.
948
01:07:01,752 --> 01:07:03,551
We do financials,
and we learned that
949
01:07:03,553 --> 01:07:06,421
they closed the sewing business,
950
01:07:08,257 --> 01:07:09,424
they abandoned it.
951
01:07:09,426 --> 01:07:12,660
So, we know that they did not,
952
01:07:12,662 --> 01:07:14,095
use that insurance money
953
01:07:14,097 --> 01:07:15,430
the way they were
supposed to use it.
954
01:07:18,067 --> 01:07:21,002
And I also learned that Chau
has a gambling problem.
955
01:07:22,671 --> 01:07:26,207
Spending like
crazy amounts of money
956
01:07:26,209 --> 01:07:28,410
at WinStar Casino,
957
01:07:28,412 --> 01:07:30,545
up the in the Texas,
Oklahoma border.
958
01:07:30,547 --> 01:07:33,848
$5,000 here,
$10,000 here.
959
01:07:33,850 --> 01:07:38,486
So after running
the financial on Chau,
960
01:07:38,488 --> 01:07:42,057
a picture is coming clear
that Chau is a suspect
961
01:07:42,059 --> 01:07:44,392
in this offense.
962
01:07:44,394 --> 01:07:46,661
So I decided to confront Bobby,
963
01:07:46,663 --> 01:07:49,030
and asked him directly
about Chau.
964
01:08:29,372 --> 01:08:32,674
Mmm-hmm.
965
01:08:32,676 --> 01:08:34,509
Yeah.
966
01:08:47,490 --> 01:08:50,091
At this point
I'm... I'm in shock.
967
01:08:50,093 --> 01:08:54,596
Chau from the start,
from the 911 call.
968
01:09:12,582 --> 01:09:15,583
Had an elaborate scheme
to deceive us.
969
01:09:32,635 --> 01:09:35,170
I had all the evidence
that I needed at that point
970
01:09:35,172 --> 01:09:37,872
to know that Chau
was involved in this offense.
971
01:09:37,874 --> 01:09:40,275
And that he benefited
from the victims death
972
01:09:40,277 --> 01:09:42,844
through insurance money.
973
01:09:42,846 --> 01:09:47,582
This was just
the ultimate betrayal for me.
974
01:09:51,153 --> 01:09:53,755
But we knew
in order to get to Chau,
975
01:09:53,757 --> 01:09:55,323
we had to go through Dephne.
976
01:10:00,129 --> 01:10:05,366
We're in 2017,
Bobby has been convicted
977
01:10:05,368 --> 01:10:07,669
and found guilty
of capital murder
978
01:10:07,671 --> 01:10:10,772
and he gets life without parole.
979
01:10:10,774 --> 01:10:15,677
Willie had taken a plea
980
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:21,049
and he is given up
to 20 years in prison.
981
01:10:22,718 --> 01:10:25,453
And now we go to
the trial of Dephne.
982
01:10:29,792 --> 01:10:32,060
And I'm working with David Alex
983
01:10:32,062 --> 01:10:33,995
who's the prosecuting attorney
on this case.
984
01:10:36,632 --> 01:10:40,134
So we worked constantly
preparing for the case,
985
01:10:40,136 --> 01:10:42,937
going through
every measure of the case,
986
01:10:42,939 --> 01:10:45,807
and at the same time
we are slowly building a case
987
01:10:45,809 --> 01:10:49,077
on Chau as well
988
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:51,145
but our case with Dephne,
989
01:10:51,147 --> 01:10:53,681
it is very challenging
in and of itself.
990
01:10:58,454 --> 01:11:00,788
We didn't have any evidence
that Chau or Dephne
991
01:11:00,790 --> 01:11:02,357
had been at the scene.
992
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:05,727
So even though we had
Willie who confessed,
993
01:11:07,029 --> 01:11:08,429
Bobby confessed,
994
01:11:08,431 --> 01:11:11,132
we very much needed more
for this case
995
01:11:11,134 --> 01:11:12,166
than what we had.
996
01:11:19,875 --> 01:11:23,278
I proposed that to David Alex,
the prosecutor, you know,
997
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,979
my client would be willing
to testify and...
998
01:11:24,981 --> 01:11:27,148
and explain his involvement
999
01:11:27,150 --> 01:11:30,084
and his connection with Dephne,
1000
01:11:30,086 --> 01:11:32,387
if he was offered immunity.
1001
01:11:43,732 --> 01:11:45,933
This is
shocking for everybody.
1002
01:11:48,404 --> 01:11:51,673
I'm like, "What?
1003
01:11:51,675 --> 01:11:53,574
How does Chau get away
with this?"
1004
01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:59,247
You know, he set this up,
this all started with Chau.
1005
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:17,231
In the Chau Tran's case,
1006
01:12:17,233 --> 01:12:19,567
he had to be granted
what's called immunity
1007
01:12:19,569 --> 01:12:22,303
meaning if you get
up and testify and say,
1008
01:12:22,305 --> 01:12:23,938
"I was part of the murder
1009
01:12:23,940 --> 01:12:26,074
and Ms. Wright
was part of the murder."
1010
01:12:26,076 --> 01:12:28,476
The district attorney,
the prosecution cannot use
1011
01:12:28,478 --> 01:12:30,678
any of your statement
to prosecute you,
1012
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,647
even though you're up there
saying under oath,
1013
01:12:32,649 --> 01:12:34,882
"I'm guilty, I'm a bad guy."
1014
01:12:39,288 --> 01:12:41,389
The fact that they were gonna
give him immunity
1015
01:12:41,391 --> 01:12:44,592
to testify against Dephne
just did not set right,
1016
01:12:44,594 --> 01:12:47,395
you know, we both felt like
1017
01:12:47,397 --> 01:12:50,398
that Chau should
have been tried.
1018
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,635
His ass needs to fry
just like everyone else,
1019
01:12:54,637 --> 01:12:56,170
but sometimes
you have to make a deal
1020
01:12:56,172 --> 01:12:57,171
with the devil.
1021
01:13:03,912 --> 01:13:06,814
During the course of
dealing with this case,
1022
01:13:06,816 --> 01:13:08,249
working with David Alex,
1023
01:13:08,251 --> 01:13:10,184
we came to the realization that
1024
01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:14,322
Dephne was doing
a lot of scamming,
1025
01:13:14,324 --> 01:13:17,191
committing insurance fraud,
1026
01:13:17,193 --> 01:13:21,262
obviously Dephne was money-crazy
1027
01:13:21,264 --> 01:13:24,465
and she would hold
people accountable
1028
01:13:24,467 --> 01:13:27,101
and when you have somebody
like that
1029
01:13:27,103 --> 01:13:31,105
who was soliciting
murder for hire,
1030
01:13:31,107 --> 01:13:34,575
she was the person that
will do this again.
1031
01:13:34,577 --> 01:13:36,878
I think the DA felt
and David felt
1032
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,046
that we would pretty
get a conviction
1033
01:13:39,048 --> 01:13:41,249
without Chau's testimony.
1034
01:13:41,251 --> 01:13:44,819
And it was Dephne who
1035
01:13:44,821 --> 01:13:47,655
was the biggest fish
so to speak.
1036
01:14:00,068 --> 01:14:01,869
So David is asking,
1037
01:14:01,871 --> 01:14:04,372
"How do you know
the defendant?"
1038
01:14:04,374 --> 01:14:07,742
And the defendant
as being Dephne Wright.
1039
01:14:09,144 --> 01:14:11,746
And Chau says, "My mother-in-law
1040
01:14:11,748 --> 01:14:13,247
and I were...
1041
01:14:13,249 --> 01:14:16,384
Read in the newspaper
that Mi Chau,
1042
01:14:16,386 --> 01:14:18,719
I'm assuming that's
the name of the business,
1043
01:14:18,721 --> 01:14:20,621
she has some kind of magic
or voodoo
1044
01:14:20,623 --> 01:14:23,591
to help our business."
1045
01:14:23,593 --> 01:14:25,893
They felt like they would
not being favored.
1046
01:14:37,474 --> 01:14:43,211
So in the Vietnamese culture,
1047
01:14:43,213 --> 01:14:47,849
Tay Boi is like voodoo,
1048
01:14:47,851 --> 01:14:52,854
I would say it's like
a spiritual healer.
1049
01:14:55,124 --> 01:14:59,660
His mother-in-law felt
it was because of this curses
1050
01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:01,796
and spells that were being
put on the business
1051
01:15:01,798 --> 01:15:03,698
by competing businesses,
1052
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:06,200
and so she asked him
to find somebody that
1053
01:15:06,202 --> 01:15:09,937
could help spiritually
in the form of white magic.
1054
01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:16,444
So David asked, "What
happened after you hired her,
1055
01:15:16,446 --> 01:15:18,112
what happened?"
1056
01:15:18,114 --> 01:15:21,015
Chau says, "After the first
of the month,
1057
01:15:21,017 --> 01:15:25,052
Mi Chau helped us,
we receive 4,000 orders."
1058
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:30,925
Here he's saying
after she removed this curse,
1059
01:15:30,927 --> 01:15:32,460
the business started profiting.
1060
01:15:32,462 --> 01:15:35,463
So obviously that
increased his belief
1061
01:15:35,465 --> 01:15:39,734
that she was able to help.
1062
01:15:39,736 --> 01:15:40,935
They went back and forth,
1063
01:15:40,937 --> 01:15:42,603
and visited her,
1064
01:15:42,605 --> 01:15:44,438
and she would do
different things,
1065
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:46,741
cast spells and other things
1066
01:15:46,743 --> 01:15:48,943
to try to lift the business up,
1067
01:15:48,945 --> 01:15:51,045
and it worked,
for a while there,
1068
01:15:51,047 --> 01:15:52,547
they were making a lot of money
1069
01:15:52,549 --> 01:15:54,615
and she wanted
some of that money.
1070
01:15:54,617 --> 01:15:57,718
So she was getting
a monthly payout,
1071
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,054
but then business would go bad
1072
01:16:00,056 --> 01:16:02,089
and she would say that
it was because, you know,
1073
01:16:02,091 --> 01:16:03,457
she was putting a spell on them
1074
01:16:03,459 --> 01:16:04,492
because they weren't paying her.
1075
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:11,165
I guess the price that
originally was agreed upon,
1076
01:16:11,167 --> 01:16:15,903
just $15,000
had gone up to $280,000.
1077
01:16:19,876 --> 01:16:22,443
So you can see
the dire straight that,
1078
01:16:22,445 --> 01:16:24,612
Chau was in at this point
1079
01:16:24,614 --> 01:16:27,481
owing this type of money
to Dephne.
1080
01:16:31,486 --> 01:16:33,454
"My mother-in-law told us
1081
01:16:33,456 --> 01:16:37,124
because we owe a lot of money,
1082
01:16:37,126 --> 01:16:38,626
let her die
1083
01:16:38,628 --> 01:16:40,328
so we can use
the insurance money
1084
01:16:40,330 --> 01:16:43,030
to pay Dephne Wright.
1085
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:49,070
My mother-in-law told us that
she would sacrifice to die
1086
01:16:49,072 --> 01:16:51,005
and let us collect the money
1087
01:16:51,007 --> 01:16:53,341
so we...
so we could not struggle."
1088
01:16:59,114 --> 01:17:03,818
Dephne had a control over him
that wasn't natural,
1089
01:17:03,820 --> 01:17:05,519
in fact you could say
it was supernatural,
1090
01:17:05,521 --> 01:17:06,654
in fact he believed that.
1091
01:17:09,191 --> 01:17:11,459
That's what it boils down to,
1092
01:17:11,461 --> 01:17:13,160
his strong belief in the occult
1093
01:17:13,162 --> 01:17:15,896
and the black magic
that she was able to perform.
1094
01:17:18,700 --> 01:17:20,835
And he definitely felt that
1095
01:17:20,837 --> 01:17:23,504
if he didn't do
what Dephne demanded,
1096
01:17:23,506 --> 01:17:27,675
that either him
or his family would suffer.
1097
01:17:30,546 --> 01:17:33,080
And she's behind bars,
and he's still afraid of her.
1098
01:17:39,354 --> 01:17:41,055
"You were the one that called
1099
01:17:41,057 --> 01:17:42,657
the defendant, Dephne Wright,
1100
01:17:42,659 --> 01:17:44,158
to tell her that
your mother-in-law
1101
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,427
and her husband
were on their way home?"
1102
01:17:46,429 --> 01:17:47,928
"Yes."
1103
01:17:49,765 --> 01:17:51,565
Damn, I mean, he just...
1104
01:17:51,567 --> 01:17:54,402
he just knows
it's gonna happen, huh?
1105
01:17:54,404 --> 01:17:56,837
They're gonna die horribly
and brutally, you know,
1106
01:17:56,839 --> 01:17:58,472
and so...
1107
01:17:58,474 --> 01:18:04,011
And all for the name
of paying Dephne this money.
1108
01:18:05,113 --> 01:18:06,681
It's hard to believe.
1109
01:18:08,617 --> 01:18:11,118
This is beyond insane for me
1110
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,356
to send your loved ones
to their death.
1111
01:18:20,228 --> 01:18:22,329
If they were in aggreance
to it then they stood there
1112
01:18:22,331 --> 01:18:25,599
and got intentionally
beaten and killed.
1113
01:18:27,269 --> 01:18:28,736
The crime scene does suggest
1114
01:18:28,738 --> 01:18:30,438
that's where the pulling
and blood was,
1115
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:32,773
and...
1116
01:18:32,775 --> 01:18:35,876
how walls were grabbed
and things of that nature,
1117
01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:39,113
that, um, by the victims
that they were struggling.
1118
01:18:44,586 --> 01:18:48,289
David, the lead
prosecutor in this case says,
1119
01:18:48,291 --> 01:18:50,624
"Does your wife
at this point know about,
1120
01:18:50,626 --> 01:18:53,394
the plan to pay
the defendant for killing,
1121
01:18:53,396 --> 01:18:56,063
her parents?"
1122
01:18:56,065 --> 01:19:00,501
He says, "Not yet
but later on, she knew."
1123
01:19:03,138 --> 01:19:05,873
But she knew.
1124
01:19:05,875 --> 01:19:08,576
So... So what is the deal?
1125
01:19:08,578 --> 01:19:11,145
Then the whole family
knows what's going on?
1126
01:19:11,147 --> 01:19:13,647
This case gets weirder
every time.
1127
01:19:13,649 --> 01:19:15,216
This is the part
I don't need to know,
1128
01:19:15,218 --> 01:19:16,884
I needed to...
I needed to know it
1129
01:19:16,886 --> 01:19:18,486
in my own bubble
the way I knew it,
1130
01:19:18,488 --> 01:19:22,490
you know, and not, um...
not, at this way.
1131
01:19:42,645 --> 01:19:46,580
I find Chau Tran's story
to be ludicrous,
1132
01:19:46,582 --> 01:19:49,250
is to cover for his part
in this case.
1133
01:19:49,252 --> 01:19:51,485
Chau Tran, he was responsible,
1134
01:19:51,487 --> 01:19:53,888
because he put,
as I understand it,
1135
01:19:53,890 --> 01:19:56,957
over a million dollars in his
pocket of insurance money.
1136
01:19:59,628 --> 01:20:03,764
Chau said that
this was a whole stage act
1137
01:20:03,766 --> 01:20:07,234
where his in-laws were in on it,
1138
01:20:07,236 --> 01:20:08,803
the only thing is that
1139
01:20:08,805 --> 01:20:10,504
when you look at
the crime scene,
1140
01:20:12,507 --> 01:20:15,376
it suggests that these people
did not want to be killed,
1141
01:20:15,378 --> 01:20:18,145
it suggest that they were
fighting for their lives
1142
01:20:18,147 --> 01:20:21,382
trying to survive this attack.
1143
01:20:21,384 --> 01:20:24,752
So I don't buy Chau's story
for a second.
1144
01:20:26,855 --> 01:20:29,824
I think justice was served
with regard to Bobby,
1145
01:20:29,826 --> 01:20:33,060
I think justice was served
with regard to Willie
1146
01:20:33,062 --> 01:20:34,762
who was a hands-on participant
1147
01:20:34,764 --> 01:20:36,897
and just gave
gruesome descriptions
1148
01:20:36,899 --> 01:20:39,400
of the brutal conduct
1149
01:20:39,402 --> 01:20:42,937
towards an elderly lady,
in her own home,
1150
01:20:42,939 --> 01:20:44,805
I certainly don't think
justice was served
1151
01:20:44,807 --> 01:20:46,307
with regard to Chau Tran,
1152
01:20:46,309 --> 01:20:49,543
he pocketed all the money,
1153
01:20:49,545 --> 01:20:51,745
and walks free,
at least for now.
1154
01:21:09,398 --> 01:21:10,731
Mmm-hmm.
1155
01:21:10,733 --> 01:21:13,133
I just wanna say that, you know,
1156
01:21:13,135 --> 01:21:16,770
my parents are the most amazing
1157
01:21:16,772 --> 01:21:20,040
human beings on this planet
1158
01:21:20,042 --> 01:21:26,146
and if people have stuff
to say about them,
1159
01:21:26,148 --> 01:21:28,015
you're totally wrong.
1160
01:21:28,017 --> 01:21:29,383
I'm gonna tell you this now,
1161
01:21:29,385 --> 01:21:32,386
my parents are amazing
1162
01:21:32,388 --> 01:21:34,722
just like my grandparents
were my everything.
1163
01:21:34,724 --> 01:21:37,124
My parents are my everything.
1164
01:21:47,035 --> 01:21:48,402
I kind of don't
wanna answer that.
1165
01:21:48,404 --> 01:21:49,370
I don't... I don't know.
1166
01:21:49,372 --> 01:21:51,605
It's just...
1167
01:21:51,607 --> 01:21:54,642
Yeah. Just leave it at that.
1168
01:21:54,644 --> 01:21:58,012
It's because I'm comfortable
with where I'm at right now,
1169
01:21:58,014 --> 01:22:02,850
I just don't wanna open doors
that I don't want to go into,
1170
01:22:02,852 --> 01:22:04,985
it's like my feelings,
1171
01:22:07,656 --> 01:22:09,123
because I don't wanna get angry,
1172
01:22:09,125 --> 01:22:10,557
I'm not...
I don't like to get angry,
1173
01:22:10,559 --> 01:22:12,192
you know, I don't.
1174
01:22:13,862 --> 01:22:14,862
We can move on, uh...
1175
01:22:26,842 --> 01:22:28,809
Oh, I'd probably tap him
on his shoulder,
1176
01:22:28,811 --> 01:22:30,344
let him look at me
1177
01:22:30,346 --> 01:22:32,079
and then if he was man
enough to come to me
1178
01:22:32,081 --> 01:22:34,882
and say something
then I would, uh...
1179
01:22:34,884 --> 01:22:36,650
I would listen.
1180
01:22:36,652 --> 01:22:42,189
When he did see me,
at the trial he looked away,
1181
01:22:42,191 --> 01:22:44,525
yeah, I wanted him
to look me in the face,
1182
01:22:44,527 --> 01:22:47,227
and I wanted to see his eyes
when he knew that
1183
01:22:47,229 --> 01:22:49,530
I knew he lied to me.
1184
01:22:49,532 --> 01:22:51,999
Chau has to grapple
with the fact
1185
01:22:52,001 --> 01:22:54,435
that he knows I know the truth
1186
01:22:54,437 --> 01:22:57,571
and he has to live
with that, I don't.
1187
01:23:05,714 --> 01:23:08,782
Although I think Chau
should be held accountable,
1188
01:23:08,784 --> 01:23:12,252
I could live with the fact
that Dephne, Bobby,
1189
01:23:12,254 --> 01:23:14,722
and Willie
had been held accountable
1190
01:23:14,724 --> 01:23:16,223
for this offence.
1191
01:23:19,528 --> 01:23:21,161
Every question that I think
1192
01:23:21,163 --> 01:23:25,399
I ever had
since June 10th, 2012,
1193
01:23:25,401 --> 01:23:26,967
I got answered.
1194
01:23:26,969 --> 01:23:28,635
I got my closure,
1195
01:23:28,637 --> 01:23:30,804
and I think I brought closure
to the victims
1196
01:23:30,806 --> 01:23:33,140
more than anything.
1197
01:23:33,142 --> 01:23:36,010
We speak for the dead
1198
01:23:36,012 --> 01:23:38,912
and I like to think that
the victims know that
1199
01:23:38,914 --> 01:23:42,149
we are holding
the people accountable
1200
01:23:42,151 --> 01:23:43,784
for who took their lives.
1201
01:23:51,693 --> 01:23:56,864
I've been in law enforcement
for 31 years
1202
01:23:56,866 --> 01:23:59,066
and this would be my last case.
1203
01:24:09,677 --> 01:24:14,181
Closing this case along
with, you know, retirement
1204
01:24:14,183 --> 01:24:16,016
gave me the insurance that
1205
01:24:16,018 --> 01:24:17,951
I don't have anything left,
you know,
1206
01:24:17,953 --> 01:24:20,821
I've done the things
that I need to do,
1207
01:24:20,823 --> 01:24:24,091
this case is not gonna be
a cloud over me, uh,
1208
01:24:24,093 --> 01:24:25,426
so I can leave in peace.
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