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CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY
LIONS GATE ENTERTAINMENT
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[CRICKETS]
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[PRIMATES SCREECHING]
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[INDISTINCT POPPING]
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CHIMPANZEE INFANT LEFT
WITH HIS MOTHER IS
A THING, A LUMP.
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TAKEN AWAY,
HE ACQUIRES--
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HUMAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS--
PERFORMANCES,
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WHICH ARE
WELL NIGH UNBELIEVABLE.
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[GRUNTING]
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Woman: NIM WAS BORN
AT THE PRIMATE CENTER
IN OKLAHOMA,
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AND I WENT OUT THERE
TO GET HIM.
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I HAD NEVER BEEN NEAR
THAT MANY CHIMPANZEES.
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IT WAS FRIGHTENING
AND INTIMIDATING,
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AND I KNEW DR. LEMMON AND
HIS WIFE WERE WATCHING ME
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TO SEE WHAT KIND
OF A MOTHER WOULD I BE.
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CAROLYN, NIM'S MOTHER,
WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE
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HOLDING NIM.
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AND SHE KNEW
WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN
BETTER THAN I DID.
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SHE HAD HAD 6 OF
HER PREVIOUS BABIES REMOVED,
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APPARENTLY,
IN THE SAME WAY.
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[METAL JANGLING]
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[DOOR OPENS]
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WHEN THE TIME CAME
TO TAKE NIM FROM HIS MOTHER,
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SHE INSTANTLY TOOK ON
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THIS--THIS DRAMA,
THIS FEELING OF
SOMETHING ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
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[CHIMPANZEE
SCREECHING]
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Woman: AND DR. LEMMON
SHOT HER WITH
A TRANQUILIZING GUN.
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[SCREECHING]
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AND THEN SAID,
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"QUICK, WE HAVE TO GET HIM
BEFORE SHE FALLS OVER
AND FALLS ON HIM."
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[SCREECHING]
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SHE WAS TRYING
TO PROTECT HIM
AND CRADLE HIM.
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SO HE RACED IN
AND GOT NIM,
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AND HANDED NIM TO ME,
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AND SAID, "GO BACK,"
YOU KNOW.
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"GO BACK
IN THE OTHER SPACE."
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[CHIMPANZEE
SCREECHING]
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HE WAS VERY DENSE,
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UNLIKE A HUMAN BABY
THAT HAS FAT.
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HE WAS DENSE AND HARD.
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HE DIDN'T STRUGGLE.
HE DIDN'T TRY TO GET AWAY.
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HE JUST SCREAMED.
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AS MUCH AS HE MAY BE
SCREAMING AND PROTESTING,
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HE'S ALSO CLINGING.
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HE WAS ATTACHING
FOR DEAR LIFE.
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Man: WOULDN'T IT BE
EXCITING TO COMMUNICATE
WITH A CHIMP
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AND FIND OUT
WHAT IT WAS THINKING?
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[SCREECHES]
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IF THEY COULD BE TAUGHT
TO ARTICULATE
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WHAT THEY WERE
THINKING ABOUT,
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THIS WOULD BE
AN INCREDIBLE EXPANSION
OF HUMAN COMMUNICATION
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AND POSSIBLY GIVE US
SOME INSIGHT
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INTO HOW LANGUAGE,
IN FACT, DID EVOLVE.
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AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHY
I STARTED PROJECT NIM.
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[TELEPHONE RINGS]
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Woman: I DON'T KNOW
WHAT WAS IN HIS MIND,
BUT HE JUST CALLED.
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[RING]
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HE WAS ASKING ME TO
BRING AN INFANT CHIMPANZEE
INTO MY HOME,
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RAISE THIS INFANT
AS IF HE WERE A CHILD,
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AND SEE IF
HE ACQUIRE LANGUAGE
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AS A FUNCTION OF BEING
PART OF A FAMILY.
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Prof. Herbert Terrace:
STEPHANIE WAS A FORMER
STUDENT OF MINE.
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SHE HAD A LARGE FAMILY
OF HER OWN CHILDREN
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AND HER HUSBAND'S
CHILDREN,
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WAS EXCEEDINGLY EMPATHIC
AND WARM,
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AND A CHIMP COULD NOT
HAVE A BETTER MOTHER.
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Stephanie LaFarge:
I KNOW NOTHING
ABOUT CHIMPANZEES,
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AND I NEVER ACTUALLY
SAT DOWN TO STUDY THEM, UH,
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AS ONE COULD HAVE,
AS I SHOULD HAVE, PERHAPS.
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BUT MY APPETITE
AND MY DRIVE TO HAVE
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THAT INTIMATE
A RELATIONSHIP
WITH AN ANIMAL WAS--
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NOTHING WOULD HAVE
STOPPED THAT.
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THE FACT THAT WE COULD SHARE
LANGUAGE WITH AN ANIMAL
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SEEMED LIKE A VERY RADICAL
POSSIBILITY AT THAT TIME.
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Herb:
IT HAD BEEN KNOWN
FOR SOME TIME THAT
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CHIMPS AREN'T ABLE
TO MAKE THE SOUNDS
OF HUMAN LANGUAGE.
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Second man:
DO THIS, VICKY.
[BLOWS RASPBERRY]
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SO WHY NOT TEACH 'EM
SIGN LANGUAGE?
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THE REAL BREAKTHROUGH
WOULD BE IF,
LIKE HUMAN CHILDREN,
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A CHIMPANZEE
COULD CREATE
GRAMMATICAL SENTENCES.
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SO WITHOUT
MUCH PREPARATION,
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AND WITHOUT REALLY
ASKING PERMISSION OF
MY CHILDREN, MY HUSBAND,
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I SAID,
"FINE. I CAN DO IT.
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"I EVEN HAVE THE FUNDS
TO DO IT WITH.
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WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY
ABOUT MONEY."
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AND SO IT WAS LAUNCHED.
THE EXPERIMENT WAS LAUNCHED.
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Herb:
WHEN NIM CAME
TO NEW YORK,
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HE WAS BARELY
2 WEEKS OLD.
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THE IDEA WAS THAT
HE WOULD BE TREATED,
IN EVERY WAY,
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LIKE A HUMAN INFANT.
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[DISTANT SIREN]
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Stephanie:
I HAD RECENTLY MOVED
TO A BROWNSTONE
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ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE
WITH MY 3 CHILDREN
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AND WITH MY HUSBAND,
WHO HAD 4 CHILDREN--
WER LAFARGE.
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WER WAS A POET
AND A WRITER.
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HE REDEFINED HIMSELF,
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BECAME WHAT, AT THAT TIME,
WAS CALLED A RICH HIPPIE.
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[DOG BARKS]
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A NEW HUSBAND,
NEW FAMILY,
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NEW HOUSE,
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AND I BROUGHT NIM
INTO THAT RATHER
TURBULENT SITUATION.
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IT JUST HAPPENED.
THERE WAS NO FAMILY
DISCUSSION ABOUT,
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SHOULD WE,
SHOULDN'T WE? YOU KNOW.
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IT WAS JUST,
"OH, WE'RE HAVING A CHIMP,
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WE'RE GOING TO TEACH IT
SIGN LANGUAGE."
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AND THEN THE REALITY OF IT
IS SORT OF HITTING YOU,
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THAT IT'S REALLY--
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALIVE,
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IT'S NOT A DOLL,
IT'S NOT A TOY. IT'S...
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IT'S NOT A HUMAN,
IT'S A CHIMP,
AND IT'S AMAZING.
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SWEET LITTLE NEWBORN BABY,
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NEEDY CREATURE. SO...
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I THINK I FELL IN LOVE
INSTANTLY.
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Stephanie:
NIM DIDN'T LIKE WER.
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AND WER DIDN'T LIKE HIM.
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ALMOST INSTANTLY,
I SAW HOW COMPLICATED
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THIS WAS GOING TO BE.
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I THINK WER WENT ALONG
WITH IT.
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IT WAS CLEARLY STEPHANIE
SORT OF SAYING,
"LET'S HAVE A CHIMP."
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[SIGHS]
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IT WAS THE SEVENTIES.
[CHUCKLES]
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Stephanie:
I BREAST FED HIM
FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
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IT SEEMED
COMPLETELY NATURAL.
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EVERYTHING WAS
ABOUT TREATING HIM
LIKE A HUMAN BEING.
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BY THE TIME I HAD NIM,
OF COURSE,
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I FELT VERY COMFORTABLE
WITH BABIES.
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I WASN'T PREPARED AT ALL
FOR THE WILD ANIMAL IN HIM
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AND THE DRIVE.
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BY THE TIME HE WAS
3 MONTHS OLD, I THINK,
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AND STARTING
TO BE AMBULATORY,
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HE WAS JUST RIGHT THERE.
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NOTHING PASSIVE,
NOTHING PASSIVE EVER.
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YOU KNOW,
I THINK HE FIGURED THAT
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HE COULD JUST GET
IN BETWEEN
WER AND STEPHANIE,
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ON SOME LEVEL.
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WHEN WER PUT HIS ARM
AROUND HER,
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AND--AND NIM JUST,
YOU KNOW,
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HALF ASLEEP
HAVING A BOTTLE,
YOU KNOW--
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TURNED AND BIT WER
ON THE ARM QUITE HARD.
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HE DIDN'T WANT WER
IN THE PICTURE.
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HE WANTED STEPHANIE
ALL FOR HIMSELF.
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Stephanie:
WER DEFINITELY FELT
EXCLUDED.
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NIM HAD JUST BECOME
PART OF MY BEING.
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THAT WAS INCOMPATIBLE
WITH THE ROLE THAT
I PLAYED AS WIFE.
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[TELEPHONE RINGS]
[BARKING]
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[RING]
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"HERB'S COMING,
HERB'S COMING,
HERB'S COMING."
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HERB'S COMING WAS
A BIG DEAL.
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I WOULD JUST GO OVER
AND VISIT,
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JUST TO SEE
WHAT HIS STATE WAS
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AND HOW HE WAS
GETTING ALONG.
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HERB WAS
INFINITELY EXCITING.
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I ADMIRED HIS INTELLECT
AND HIS GOALS
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AND HIS ARROGANCE,
ALL THOSE THINGS.
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THERE WAS SOMETHING...
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THAT DIDN'T SIT RIGHT
WITH ME ABOUT HIM.
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[BARKING]
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Stephanie: THE PEOPLE
THAT I AM THE CLOSEST TO
THROUGHOUT MY LIFE
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ARE PEOPLE THAT
I HAVE HAD SOME PERIOD
OF SEXUAL CONTACT WITH.
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I DON'T THINK THAT
THE PREVIOUS
SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP
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BETWEEN HERB AND MYSELF
MADE A DIFFERENCE
TO THE PROJECT AT ALL,
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UM, OTHER THAN
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IT WAS PART
OF THE GLUE...
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THAT ALLOWED IT
TO HAPPEN.
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HERB DIDN'T COME
VERY MUCH.
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HE WASN'T PART OF
THE CARETAKING PACKAGE
AT ALL.
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YOUNG NEWBORN CHIMPS
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ARE ALWAYS RAISED
BY THEIR MOTHERS,
NOT BY THEIR FATHERS.
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UM, AND I DIDN'T SEE
ANY WAY OF TRYING
TO CHANGE--
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OR ANY POINT IN TRYING
TO CHANGE THAT.
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FOR BETTER OR WORSE,
I NEVER REGARDED HIM
AS A--AS A CHILD.
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I REGARDED HIM AS
AN INTELLIGENT,
PERSONABLE CENTER
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OF A SCIENTIFIC PROJECT.
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I HAD AN IMPLICIT FAITH
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THAT NIM
WOULD LEARN SIGNS.
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WE HAD TO WAIT AND SEE.
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HOW DO THEY START
TEACHING THE CHILD
TO SIGN?
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DOES THE CHILD JUST WATCH
AND WHATEVER? I DON'T KNOW.
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I MEAN,
IT WAS A PROBLEM.
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WE WERE TRYING
TO TEACH THIS CHIMP
SIGN LANGUAGE,
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AND NOBODY IN THE HOUSE
REALLY WAS FLUENT
IN SIGN LANGUAGE.
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WE WOULD MOLD
HIS HAND INTO
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THE SIGN FOR "DRINK,"
WHICH IS THIS,
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AND THEN GIVE HIM
THE BOTTLE TO DRINK.
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IT JUST HAPPENED.
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Stephanie:
IT WAS JUST AMAZING,
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AND I THOUGHT,
PIECE OF CAKE.
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I WAS
ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED.
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HE PICKED UP
QUITE A FEW SIGNS AFTER
THAT RATHER QUICKLY.
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"EAT," "ME,"
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"NIM" WERE PART OF
HIS FIRST SIGNS.
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"HUG" WAS ANOTHER ONE.
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AND IT WAS AS IF THEN,
OK, WE'RE OFF NOW.
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WE JUST GOT TO BUILD UP
THE VOCABULARY.
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AS MUCH AS
WE WERE MOLDING HIM,
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WE WERE MOLDING
THESE DAMN HANDS
AND ALL THIS STUFF,
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HE WAS STARTING
TO MOLD US.
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HE KNEW EVERY DYNAMIC
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THAT WAS IN THE ROOM
INSTANTLY.
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Jenny Lee: HE KNEW
WHEN YOU WERE UPSET,
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WHATEVER HAD HAPPENED
IN--WHATEVER, YOU KNOW,
13- 14-YEAR-OLD'S LIFE.
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AND HE WOULD COME OVER,
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AND HE WOULD JUST COME
AND SIT WITH YOU
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AND HUG YOU
AND THEN JUST KISS
THE TEARS AWAY.
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AND IT WAS AMAZING,
YOU KNOW.
JUST UNCONDITIONAL.
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Stephanie:
HE WAS MY LIFELINE,
HE WAS MY BUDDY,
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AND HE WAS BRINGING
SOMETHING OUT IN ME,
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A FREEDOM
TO DEFY EXPECTATION
AND AUTHORITY.
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HIS GREATEST FOCUS
OF DEFIANCE WAS
AGAINST WER.
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HE WOULD, YOU KNOW,
KIND OF PULL BOOKS
OFF THE SHELVES,
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AND WER LIKED HIS BOOKS
A CERTAIN WAY.
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WHEN HE SAW WER COMING,
HE WOULD REALLY DO IT.
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[SNIFFING]
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IT WAS VERY FOCUSED.
IT WAS INTENTIONAL.
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"FUCK YOU,
I'M TOUCHING THESE."
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[SIGHS]
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IT WAS A PROBLEM.
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00:15:08,441 --> 00:15:10,944
WER WAS SO IMPOTENT.
218
00:15:10,978 --> 00:15:13,080
I MEAN, WHAT COULD HE DO?
HE'D CHASE HIM AROUND--
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00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:15,548
"DROP THAT,"
YOU KNOW? BLAH, BLAH.
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I MEAN,
HE WON EVERY TIME.
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00:15:25,993 --> 00:15:30,730
NIM SAW HERB AS
HIS NEXT ADULT MALE
CHALLENGE.
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00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:35,335
I MEAN, THAT IS THE LIFE
THAT HE'S HARDWIRED FOR,
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00:15:35,368 --> 00:15:39,172
TO TAKE ON
INCREASINGLY POWERFUL
MALE FIGURES
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00:15:39,206 --> 00:15:41,041
UNTIL HE'S THE TOP.
225
00:15:41,074 --> 00:15:42,976
WHEN HERB WOULD COME OVER
EXPECTING TO STEP IN
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00:15:43,010 --> 00:15:47,414
AND HAVE CONTROL OF NIM,
AND HE COULDN'T AND DIDN'T,
227
00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:51,651
WE--WE LOVED IT.
WE LOVED IT.
228
00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:56,256
I CORNERED NIM
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00:15:56,289 --> 00:16:00,093
AND JUST WENT TO
PULL HIM OUT OF SOME...
230
00:16:00,127 --> 00:16:03,530
HIDING PLACE,
AND HE BIT ME.
231
00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:08,135
FRANKLY, EVERYBODY
IN THE FAMILY GOT
A KICK OUT OF NIM
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00:16:08,168 --> 00:16:11,338
DOING JUST
WHAT HERB HATED.
233
00:16:11,604 --> 00:16:12,705
NO ONE EVER PUT HIM
IN HIS PLACE,
234
00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:17,310
AND HE JUST GREW
MORE AND MORE AND MORE--
MORE POWERFUL,
235
00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:20,213
AND THAT WAS EXCITING
TO ME.
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00:16:23,283 --> 00:16:25,752
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TRY
TO CONTROL HIM IN ANY WAY.
237
00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:29,622
IN FACT, WE ENJOYED
JUST LETTING HIM HANG OUT
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00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,691
AND SEE HOW IT WENT.
239
00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:33,693
[NIM PANTING]
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00:16:33,726 --> 00:16:36,429
[DOG BARKING]
241
00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:41,701
Herb:
STEPHANIE BEING THE KIND
OF MOTHER SHE WAS
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WAS NOT VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT DISCIPLINE.
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00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:47,607
IT WAS SORT OF
THE HIPPIE MENTALITY,
244
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,776
AND I THINK
WHAT I WOULD TELL HER
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WOULD GO IN ONE EAR
AND OUT THE OTHER.
246
00:16:56,216 --> 00:17:00,653
Stephanie:
HERB WOULD HAVE WANTED
A SCHEDULE AND A STRUCTURE
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00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:06,759
AND CHARTED PROGRESS
AND NOTES AND ALL OF THAT.
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00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:09,829
I DIDN'T SUPPLY THAT.
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00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:10,863
I DID--
COULDN'T CREATE THAT,
250
00:17:10,897 --> 00:17:15,302
AND I DON'T THINK
NIM WOULD HAVE
THRIVED IN THAT.
251
00:17:15,335 --> 00:17:17,737
[BARKING]
252
00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,583
I WAS TAKING CLASSES
AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY,
253
00:17:30,617 --> 00:17:33,520
AND THERE WAS
A SMALL SIGN THAT SAID,
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00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:37,790
"RESEARCH ASSISTANT NEEDED.
COURSE CREDIT GRANTED."
255
00:17:42,329 --> 00:17:45,098
A MAN OPENED THE DOOR,
256
00:17:45,132 --> 00:17:46,566
AND HE WAS
COMPLETELY BREATHLESS.
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00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:51,404
HE--ALSO,
HE'S ONE OF THOSE MEN
WHO WAS BALDING ON THE TOP,
258
00:17:51,438 --> 00:17:54,341
SO HE HAD HIS HAIR
PASTED DOWN.
259
00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:56,809
BUT HE WAS SO UPSET
AND DISHEVELED
260
00:17:56,843 --> 00:18:01,514
THAT HIS HAIR WAS STANDING
STRAIGHT UP ON ONE SIDE.
261
00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:05,585
HE EXPLAINED IT WAS
A LANGUAGE PROJECT,
262
00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:11,824
AND I IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTOOD
THE SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE.
263
00:18:11,858 --> 00:18:13,760
NIM WAS GOING TO TEST
264
00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:16,129
THE NATURE VERSUS NURTURE
HYPOTHESES
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00:18:16,163 --> 00:18:18,765
THAT WERE PREVAILING
AT THE TIME.
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00:18:19,466 --> 00:18:23,236
IT REALLY WAS AT
THE CUSP OF SCIENCE.
267
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:26,873
Herb: YOU KNOW,
SOME THINGS ARE JUST
IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS
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00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:29,142
ABOUT SOMEONE
FROM THE BEGINNING.
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00:18:29,176 --> 00:18:32,912
YOU KNOW WHAT KIND
OF PERSON YOU HAVE.
270
00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:36,349
I THINK SHE WAS 18,
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
271
00:18:36,383 --> 00:18:41,388
Laura-Ann:
AT THE TIME, NIM WAS IN
STEPHANIE LAFARGE'S HOUSE.
272
00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:45,492
AND MY FIRST JOB WAS
TO, BASICALLY, BABY-SIT,
273
00:18:45,525 --> 00:18:48,795
TO GO TO THE HOUSE
AND, OSTENSIBLY,
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00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:49,796
TEACH HIM SIGN LANGUAGE.
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00:18:49,829 --> 00:18:53,700
SHE CAME OUT OF NOWHERE
AS A...
276
00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:57,136
CUTE LITTLE THING
FROM RAMAPO.
277
00:18:57,670 --> 00:19:00,773
WHEN I GOT THERE,
I WAS ACTUALLY
REALLY SURPRISED.
278
00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:04,877
THERE WAS UTTER CHAOS.
279
00:19:04,911 --> 00:19:06,813
THERE WAS NOTHING.
280
00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:09,816
THIS WAS
A SCIENTIFIC PROJECT.
281
00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:13,720
THERE WERE NO JOURNALS.
THERE WERE NO LOG BOOKS.
282
00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:16,789
THEY DIDN'T KNOW
WHO WAS COVERING NIM,
283
00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,825
WHEN THEY WERE GOING
TO BE COVERING NIM,
284
00:19:18,858 --> 00:19:20,427
WHO WOULD BE TEACHING NIM,
285
00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:21,494
WHEN THEY WOULD BE
TEACHING NIM.
286
00:19:21,528 --> 00:19:24,531
THEY DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT THEY WERE GOING
TO TEACH NIM.
287
00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:28,235
Stephanie:
SHE QUICKLY FELT
HER POWER.
288
00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:29,769
IT WAS COMPLETELY VISIBLE.
289
00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:34,207
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY
HAD TO ADAPT TO IT.
290
00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:37,710
SHE WANTED
THAT MOTHER ROLE.
291
00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:40,313
THIS ANIMAL...
292
00:19:40,347 --> 00:19:42,449
CLIMBED THE WALLS
ALL DAY.
293
00:19:42,482 --> 00:19:48,455
HE RIPPED APART
STEPHANIE'S HOUSE ALL DAY.
294
00:19:48,488 --> 00:19:51,924
THE KINDS OF THINGS
SHE WAS EXPOSING NIM TO
295
00:19:51,958 --> 00:19:54,994
WERE...ATYPICAL.
296
00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:57,530
[HORNS HONK]
297
00:19:57,564 --> 00:20:00,667
Stephanie: HE LOVED
DRIVING FAST IN CARS.
298
00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,336
HE LOVED MOTORCYCLES.
HE LOVED, YOU KNOW,
299
00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:06,539
VIRTUALLY ANYTHING
THRILLING.
300
00:20:08,941 --> 00:20:10,477
HE LIKED ALCOHOL.
301
00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:13,880
YOU'D GIVE HIM A SIP
AND HE'D WANT MORE.
302
00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:18,551
WE GAVE HIM PUFFS
ON A JOINT.
303
00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:26,793
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TREAT HIM
LIKE A CHILD.
304
00:20:26,826 --> 00:20:32,632
WE COULD EXPOSE HIM
TO THE SENSATIONS
THAT WE ENJOYED.
305
00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:36,002
I HAD
AN INSTINCTIVE SENSE
306
00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:38,605
THAT SOMETHING WAS
VERY AMISS HERE,
307
00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:44,544
THAT THIS IS NOT
THE WAY YOU TEACH
A CHILD LANGUAGE
308
00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,446
OR YOU INTERACT
WITH A CHILD
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00:20:46,479 --> 00:20:51,518
OR YOU TEACH, UM,
ANYTHING LANGUAGE.
310
00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:57,790
Stephanie:
WHEN NIM BEGAN
TO DISCOVER MY BODY,
311
00:20:57,824 --> 00:20:59,526
MY NAKEDNESS,
HE'D BE CUR--
312
00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:02,362
I MEAN, LIKE A CHILD,
HE WAS UNINTERESTED,
313
00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:05,031
AND THEN ONE DAY
HE WAS INTERESTED.
314
00:21:09,402 --> 00:21:13,806
I NEVER FELT
SEXUALLY ENGAGED
WITH HIM.
315
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,810
THERE WAS A SENSUALITY,
BUT NIM WAS A--WAS A--
316
00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:20,847
YOU KNOW, A PRE-TEEN.
317
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,652
Laura-Ann: STEPHANIE
WAS A GRADUATE STUDENT
IN PSYCHOANALYSIS.
318
00:21:25,685 --> 00:21:29,556
HER QUESTIONS HAD TO DO
WITH THE OEDIPAL COMPLEX,
319
00:21:29,589 --> 00:21:32,525
AND SHE WAS INTERESTED
IN NIM'S MASTURBATION
320
00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:36,028
AND HOW HE MASTURBATED.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.
321
00:21:37,096 --> 00:21:43,035
I REALIZED THAT
I COULD NOT DO WHAT
I CALL GOOD SCIENCE
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00:21:43,069 --> 00:21:44,103
IN STEPHANIE'S HOME.
323
00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:47,039
IT JUST WASN'T CONDUCIVE
TO THAT.
324
00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:53,112
SO I SET UP A CLASSROOM
AT COLUMBIA.
325
00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:55,815
Stephanie: HE'S GOING
TO TAKE NIM TO SCHOOL,
326
00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:58,951
AND I REALIZE
I'M STARTING
TO LOSE MY ROLE
327
00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:03,590
AS THE PERSON
WHO KNOWS THE BEST
WHAT HE NEEDS.
328
00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:05,692
Laura-Ann:
WE HAD TO GET HIM
IN A CONTEXT
329
00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:10,897
THAT WAS NEUTRAL,
CALMING, SOOTHING.
330
00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:17,904
I JUST MAPPED OUT
A TEACHING PLAN FOR NIM
331
00:22:17,937 --> 00:22:20,773
AND I DID IT.
332
00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:23,543
Herb: SHE WAS
SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS
333
00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:25,745
THAT I MADE HER,
IN A SENSE,
334
00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:31,418
THE DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION,
THE CURRICULUM.
335
00:22:31,918 --> 00:22:33,886
I WAS FEELING GOOD
ABOUT MYSELF.
336
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,955
ALSO, I WAS SUCCEEDING
WITH NIM.
337
00:22:35,988 --> 00:22:37,890
I COULD SEE
I WAS SUCCEEDING
WITH NIM.
338
00:22:37,924 --> 00:22:41,127
I CAN SEE IT.
I CAN SEE THAT NO ONE
339
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,930
COULD HOLD A CANDLE
TO ME.
340
00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:45,965
THE ONLY THING
THAT MATTERED TO HIM--
341
00:22:45,998 --> 00:22:48,501
IT BECAME
MORE AND MORE TENSE--
342
00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:50,903
YOU KNOW, WORDS, WORDS,
WORDS, WORDS, WORDS.
343
00:22:50,937 --> 00:22:52,672
WORD ORDER, WORD ORDER,
WORD ORDER.
344
00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:54,974
UH, HE COULDN'T--
HE COULDN'T SEE
ANYTHING ELSE.
345
00:22:55,007 --> 00:22:59,912
HERB STARTED SEEING
THE SIGNS GROW ON
THAT LITTLE GRAPH,
346
00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:00,947
EVERY DAY,
347
00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:03,783
EVERY OTHER DAY,
EVERY 3 DAYS,
348
00:23:03,816 --> 00:23:05,885
LAURA TAUGHT HIM
ANOTHER SIGN.
349
00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:08,855
LAURA TAUGHT HIM
ANOTHER SIGN.
350
00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:12,659
AND I JUST WENT
HELL FOR LEATHER.
351
00:23:14,694 --> 00:23:16,663
Herb: NIM'S SIGNING WAS
352
00:23:16,696 --> 00:23:19,766
JUST ALMOST
EXPONENTIALLY
INCREASING.
353
00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,502
I WAS VERY HAPPY.
354
00:23:22,702 --> 00:23:25,872
WORDS ARE
A FUCKING NIGHTMARE
355
00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:30,109
WHEN IT COMES
TO CLOSENESS, OFTEN.
356
00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:33,212
UM, AND HERE I WAS
MARRIED TO A POET,
357
00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:36,549
WORKING FOR A LINGUIST.
358
00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,017
YOU KNOW, I WAS--
YOU KNOW,
359
00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:41,087
WORDS WERE THE--
BECAME THE ENEMY.
360
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,189
SHE STARTED RESTRICTING
361
00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:46,926
THE TIMES WE CAN COME
IN THE HOUSE.
362
00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:50,697
UH, SHE STARTED
THROWING US OUT.
363
00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:52,832
SHE APPARENTLY WAS,
364
00:23:52,865 --> 00:23:57,737
UH, YOU KNOW,
ENCOURAGED TO BELIEVE THAT
SHE WAS NOW THE MOTHER.
365
00:23:58,605 --> 00:24:05,177
Laura-Ann: STEPHANIE
BEGAN TO THREATEN TO
TAKE NIM AWAY FROM HERB...
366
00:24:06,012 --> 00:24:09,916
AND HERB STARTED PANICKING.
367
00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:12,985
Herb: I DEFINITELY
INITIATED THE MOVE
368
00:24:13,019 --> 00:24:14,721
OUT OF
STEPHANIE'S HOUSE.
369
00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:17,123
I THINK
SHE WAS INITIALLY
QUITE RESISTANT TO IT,
370
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:22,662
ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE
DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW
NIM WAS GOING TO END UP.
371
00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:23,696
GOD HAD SPOKEN.
372
00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:25,264
THAT'S WHAT
HAD HAPPENED.
373
00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:26,999
THAT'S WHAT
WAS GOING ON.
374
00:24:27,033 --> 00:24:29,902
AND WE DIDN'T
HAVE CONTROL.
375
00:24:36,743 --> 00:24:38,044
SO...
376
00:24:38,077 --> 00:24:41,881
MY SEPARATION FROM HIM WAS
JUST AS ABRUPT, IN A WAY,
377
00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:43,149
AT THAT MOMENT,
378
00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:47,654
AS HIS WAS FROM CAROLYN'S.
379
00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:51,524
I WAS, UM,
OSTENSIBLY CONSCIOUS,
380
00:24:51,558 --> 00:24:53,560
BUT I WAS NO LESS--
381
00:24:53,593 --> 00:24:58,164
I WAS AS UNAWARE
AND, YOU KNOW,
382
00:24:58,197 --> 00:25:02,935
UN-IN-CHARGE
AND HELPLESS AS SHE WAS.
383
00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,606
IT...
384
00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:13,713
IT WAS HEART--
IT WAS HEARTBREAKING...
385
00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:17,183
UM...
386
00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:20,653
SAYING GOOD-BYE.
387
00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:28,194
Stephanie: PART OF ME
DID NOT WANT HIM TO
LEARN LANGUAGE.
388
00:25:30,296 --> 00:25:33,232
HE WAS LESS
WITH LANGUAGE
389
00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:37,670
THAN HE WAS
AS HIS UNIQUE SELF.
390
00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:59,358
Herb: AT THAT TIME,
A VERY LUCKY THING HAPPENED.
391
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:04,997
I WAS AWARE THAT
THERE WAS AN ESTATE
THAT COLUMBIA OWNED
392
00:26:05,031 --> 00:26:06,332
IN RIVERDALE,
393
00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:07,800
A VERY LARGE ESTATE,
394
00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:11,838
THAT USED TO BE THE HOME
OF THE PRESIDENT.
395
00:26:11,871 --> 00:26:13,973
AND I WENT TO HIM
WITH A PROPOSITION
396
00:26:14,006 --> 00:26:17,910
THAT IF HE ALLOWED ME
TO RAISE THE CHIMP THERE,
397
00:26:17,944 --> 00:26:19,979
I'D PAY FOR THE HEAT.
398
00:26:20,012 --> 00:26:23,015
AND HE SAID, "SURE."
399
00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:33,860
Laura-Ann:
THIS WAS AMAZING.
400
00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:38,397
THIS WAS A FAIRY TALE.
401
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:42,401
Herb: WE GOT--IT WAS
A 28-ACRE ESTATE,
402
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:44,904
SURROUNDED BY
LOVELY GARDENS,
403
00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:49,275
AND THAT ALLOWED ME
TO PUT UP NIM'S TEACHERS
404
00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:54,413
IN MAGNIFICENT SURROUNDINGS
AND NOT PAY ANY RENT.
405
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:57,183
LIFE WAS GOOD.
406
00:26:57,216 --> 00:27:00,887
Laura-Ann:
NIM GOT OUT OF THE CAR,
407
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,890
RAN UP
TO THE FRONT DOOR,
408
00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:05,892
ROLLED DOWN THE HILL,
409
00:27:05,925 --> 00:27:07,994
AND HE WAS GONE.
410
00:27:08,027 --> 00:27:10,697
HE WAS FREE.
411
00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:20,072
SO THERE WAS NO REACTION
412
00:27:20,106 --> 00:27:24,977
AT HAVING TAKEN HIM OUT
OF STEPHANIE'S HOUSE.
413
00:27:25,011 --> 00:27:26,913
HE WAS FINE.
414
00:27:26,946 --> 00:27:31,684
AND IT WAS LIKE
HE HAD BEEN THERE
HIS WHOLE LIFE.
415
00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:38,691
Herb: HE CERTAINLY WAS
A DIFFERENT CHIMPANZEE
416
00:27:38,725 --> 00:27:42,228
IN THIS MANSION
THAN HE WAS WITH STEPHANIE.
417
00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:46,332
UM, SO, I SORT OF
GOT INTO MORE,
418
00:27:46,365 --> 00:27:50,837
YOU KNOW,
INTERACTING WITH HIM.
419
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:55,474
Laura-Ann: HERB'S POWER
AS A PROFESSOR...
420
00:27:55,507 --> 00:28:02,014
HIS AGE, COMPLETELY
IMPACTED ME.
421
00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:04,150
HE WAS MY MODEL.
422
00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:08,320
Herb: WE REALLY
CLICKED TOGETHER.
423
00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:15,461
Laura-Ann:
I WANTED SO MUCH TO BE
A PART OF HIS WORLD.
424
00:28:15,494 --> 00:28:20,733
I WANTED TO BE IN
THAT WORLD OF ACADEMIA.
425
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:26,939
Herb: I HAD
STRONG PERSONAL FEELINGS
ABOUT LAURA.
426
00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:29,842
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT,
IN ANY WAY,
427
00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:34,146
GOT IN THE WAY
OF OUR SCIENCE.
428
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:45,457
Laura-Ann: SOME OF
THE--THE--THE DAILY
BODILY REQUIREMENTS
429
00:28:45,491 --> 00:28:51,898
THAT NIM HAD
HAD TO BE ADDRESSED,
AND VERY QUICKLY.
430
00:28:52,431 --> 00:28:56,102
I EVENTUALLY
COULDN'T HANDLE
THE DIAPERS ANYMORE.
431
00:28:56,135 --> 00:29:00,006
HE WAS GETTING BIGGER,
AND HE WAS EATING
MORE OF OUR FOOD.
432
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:05,444
SO, PRAGMATICALLY,
I HAD TO GET HIM
OFF THOSE DIAPERS.
433
00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:08,214
I HAD WATCHED
HIS FACIAL EXPRESSIONS
434
00:29:08,247 --> 00:29:10,082
WHEN HE NEEDED
THE POTTY,
435
00:29:10,116 --> 00:29:12,284
AND I BEGAN TO SEE IT
AND GRAB HIM
436
00:29:12,318 --> 00:29:15,387
AND BRING HIM
TO THE POTTY.
437
00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:18,424
Herb: HE DID ACTUALLY
USE THE TOILET CORRECTLY,
438
00:29:18,457 --> 00:29:22,328
BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY
NOT AS RELIABLE
439
00:29:22,361 --> 00:29:25,264
AS WHAT YOU'D SEE
IN A CHILD.
440
00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:32,504
Laura-Ann: THE IDEA WAS
THAT I WOULD LIVE WITH NIM
441
00:29:32,538 --> 00:29:36,843
AND I WOULD TRAIN HIM
FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME
442
00:29:36,876 --> 00:29:37,676
IN THE HOUSE,
443
00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:40,146
BUT THEN I WOULD
BRING HIM IN EVERY DAY
444
00:29:40,179 --> 00:29:43,215
TO COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY.
445
00:29:45,084 --> 00:29:48,888
Bill Tynan:
THIS WAS AN EXPERIMENT
TO TEACH OR SEE
446
00:29:48,921 --> 00:29:52,859
IF A CHIMPANZEE
CAN LEARN SIGN LANGUAGE.
447
00:29:52,892 --> 00:29:55,127
I JUST THOUGHT
IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING,
448
00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:56,328
INTELLECTUALLY INTERESTING,
449
00:29:56,362 --> 00:30:00,499
INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND
HOW MUCH CHIMPANZEES
ARE LIKE US
450
00:30:00,532 --> 00:30:02,969
AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE NOT.
451
00:30:04,971 --> 00:30:07,006
AT THAT TIME,
HE WAS TERRIBLY CUTE
452
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,608
AND GETTING LITTLE PHOTOS
IN "NEW YORK MAGAZINE."
453
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,211
THERE WAS
A DAILY LESSON PLAN,
IF YOU WILL.
454
00:30:12,244 --> 00:30:16,983
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TEACH
THESE PARTICULAR SIGNS,
UH, TO NIM,
455
00:30:17,016 --> 00:30:21,120
AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED
TO ALSO TEACH HIM
456
00:30:21,153 --> 00:30:21,954
EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES.
457
00:30:21,988 --> 00:30:25,491
UH, DRESS YOURSELF,
UNDRESS YOURSELF.
458
00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,126
THIS SORT OF THING.
459
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:29,962
Herb: LIKE CHILDREN,
AFTER THEY LEARN
A FEW WORDS,
460
00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:33,499
UH, NIM HAS
SPONTANEOUSLY
PUT SIGNS TOGETHER.
461
00:30:33,532 --> 00:30:35,868
IN MANY INSTANCES,
WE ALLOW,
462
00:30:35,902 --> 00:30:37,436
UH, NIM TO USE
HIS OWN SIGNS
463
00:30:37,469 --> 00:30:41,407
THAT HE ALMOST INVENTS,
SO LONG AS
THEY'RE CONSISTENT.
464
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,143
FOR EXAMPLE,
THIS IS THE SIGN
FOR "PLAY,"
465
00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:46,012
UM, THAT HE INVENTED.
466
00:30:46,045 --> 00:30:48,314
HE'S LEARNING SIGNS
RAPIDLY.
467
00:30:48,347 --> 00:30:49,481
THEY'RE GOING
UP, UP, UP, UP, UP.
468
00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:52,651
Herb: THE PROJECT WAS
LITERALLY HUMMING.
469
00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:55,888
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING
WAS GOING VERY SMOOTHLY.
470
00:30:55,922 --> 00:31:00,026
I HAVE A CHIMPANZEE
WHO WAS MAKING HISTORY.
471
00:31:00,059 --> 00:31:02,995
WE DID GET A GRANT
SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIME.
472
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:06,565
Laura-Ann: THE PROJECT
HAD BEGUN TO ENTER THE MEDIA,
473
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:09,068
SO THERE WAS
ALL THIS EXCITEMENT
474
00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:10,636
AND HYPE
ABOUT THE PROJECT.
475
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:13,039
WE WERE THRILLED.
476
00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:19,211
WE'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN
PERFORMING CHIMPANZEES
477
00:31:19,245 --> 00:31:21,413
ON TELEVISION
OR IN CIRCUSES,
478
00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,649
BUT NIM
IS NO ORDINARY CHIMP.
479
00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:25,484
SINCE HE WAS
A FEW WEEKS OLD,
480
00:31:25,517 --> 00:31:28,154
NIM HAS LIVED
IN A CLOSE ASSOCIATION
481
00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:29,388
WITH A GROUP
OF SCIENTISTS
482
00:31:29,421 --> 00:31:31,557
UNDER THE DIRECTION
OF DR. HERBERT TERRACE
483
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:32,658
OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY.
484
00:31:32,691 --> 00:31:35,627
THEY'RE PERFORMING
A UNIQUE EXPERIMENT
485
00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:38,030
TO TRY TO DETERMINE
WHETHER APES CAN BE TAUGHT
486
00:31:38,064 --> 00:31:42,301
TO COMMUNICATE WITH HUMANS
USING LANGUAGE.
487
00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:44,303
HOW BIG WILL HE BE
WHEN HE'S FULL-GROWN?
488
00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:45,437
OH, HE'S GOING
TO BE BIG.
489
00:31:45,471 --> 00:31:49,575
HE'S GOING TO BE
ABOUT 5 FEET TALL,
PERHAPS 150 POUNDS.
490
00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:53,512
AND SUPPOSEDLY
5 TO 6 TIMES
THE STRENGTH OF A MAN.
491
00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:57,249
AND HOW ARE YOU GOING
TO BE ABLE TO
HANDLE HIM THEN?
492
00:31:57,283 --> 00:32:00,586
Bill: HE HAD GROWN,
I GUESS HE WAS PROBABLY
493
00:32:00,619 --> 00:32:02,088
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
494
00:32:02,121 --> 00:32:04,223
UM, AND HE, YOU KNOW,
495
00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:07,226
IF YOU HAD TO HOLD HIM,
YOU REALLY HAD
TO HOLD HIM.
496
00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:11,197
AND HE'D GONE FROM
BEING THIS MEEK
LITTLE HUGGABLE TOY
497
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:17,369
TO, UH, QUITE A ROBUST
YOUNG CHIMPANZEE.
498
00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:21,740
HIS EYETEETH
WERE NEVER TAKEN OUT,
499
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:26,078
WHICH MEANS THAT HE'S
GOT FANGS, ESSENTIALLY,
SITTING HERE.
500
00:32:26,112 --> 00:32:27,079
EXTREMELY STRONG JAW.
501
00:32:27,113 --> 00:32:31,583
IF YOU DIDN'T
ASSERT DOMINANCE
IN SOME FASHION,
502
00:32:31,617 --> 00:32:35,587
YOU WERE GOING TO BE
IN TROUBLE EVENTUALLY.
503
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:39,191
Herb: HE COULD SIZE
SOMEBODY UP IN 2 SECONDS,
504
00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:42,128
UH, WHETHER
THEY WERE CONFIDENT
505
00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:44,363
OR SECRETLY UNCONFIDENT.
506
00:32:44,396 --> 00:32:46,765
Laura-Ann:
IF I STOOD UP TOO QUICKLY,
507
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:51,370
IF I ACCIDENTALLY
SHOWED HIM MY BACK
TOO QUICKLY,
508
00:32:51,403 --> 00:32:56,075
UH, IF I HAD FOOD AND I
WOULDN'T--I DIDN'T THINK
TO SHARE IT WITH HIM--
509
00:32:56,108 --> 00:33:00,012
HE'D CROSS THAT THRESHOLD
AND GO INTO ATTACK.
510
00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:04,383
YOU COULD TELL THAT HE
WAS GETTING AN ATTITUDE.
511
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,518
THE HAIR WOULD GO UP
ON HIS ARMS,
512
00:33:06,552 --> 00:33:10,389
AND HE'D SORT OF GET
THIS LOOK IN HIS FACE.
513
00:33:10,422 --> 00:33:11,090
[BARKING]
514
00:33:11,123 --> 00:33:13,392
Laura-Ann:
WHEN HE WOULD BARK,
515
00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:16,128
I'D--I'D FEEL IT INSIDE,
516
00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:19,098
THAT--THE DANGER.
517
00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:23,669
HE HAD TO LUNGE,
THE CONTACT,
518
00:33:23,702 --> 00:33:26,205
THE RIP, THE TEAR,
AND THE RELEASE.
519
00:33:26,238 --> 00:33:29,708
AND HE HAD
TO DRAW BLOOD.
520
00:33:30,309 --> 00:33:35,447
Herb: SHE DID NOT
TELL ME THAT IN
AN ALARMING MANNER.
521
00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:38,184
SHE WAS
JUST REPORTING IT.
522
00:33:38,217 --> 00:33:40,319
MAYBE I WAS JUST
TOO, UH,
523
00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:43,689
LOOKING AHEAD
WITH BLINKERS AND NOT
WANTING TO HEAR THAT.
524
00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:45,457
THIS IS 37 STITCHES.
525
00:33:45,491 --> 00:33:49,561
UM, I HAD 4 HERE.
9 HERE.
526
00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:52,298
THIS ONE SENT ME
INTO THE HOSPITAL.
527
00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:54,633
THIS ONE, ACTUALLY, WAS
THE MOST DANGEROUS ONE
528
00:33:54,666 --> 00:33:57,169
'CAUSE HE HIT A TENDON.
529
00:34:09,815 --> 00:34:10,816
IT'S A LOT OF WORK
530
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:14,486
TO TAKE CARE OF AN ANIMAL
THAT'S NOT YOUR SPECIES
531
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,854
WHO HAS THAT KIND
OF ENERGY LEVEL.
532
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:19,091
I PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
CHIMPANZEES AND MONKEYS,
533
00:34:19,125 --> 00:34:23,162
SO I WAS AS BLIND
AND AS IGNORANT
534
00:34:23,195 --> 00:34:24,830
AND AS NAIVE
AS PROBABLY THEY CAME.
535
00:34:24,863 --> 00:34:27,699
I WAS ON
A QUICK LEARNING CURVE.
536
00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:33,439
I HAVE HIGH ENERGY
AND ENTHUSIASM FOR A GOAL.
537
00:34:33,472 --> 00:34:35,207
AND HE WAS MY GOAL,
APPARENTLY.
538
00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:38,610
Laura-Ann:
JOYCE WAS A GREAT TEACHER.
539
00:34:38,644 --> 00:34:39,511
SHE SIGNED.
540
00:34:39,545 --> 00:34:43,649
SHE WAS COMPLETELY
DEDICATED AND MOTIVATED.
541
00:34:43,682 --> 00:34:45,417
SHE WANTED TO DO THIS.
542
00:34:45,451 --> 00:34:48,320
THIS WAS FANTASTIC!
543
00:34:48,787 --> 00:34:52,524
Joyce Butler:
HE BIT ME REALLY HARD,
AND I BIT HIM ON THE EAR,
544
00:34:52,558 --> 00:34:53,659
RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
545
00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:56,628
AND I SAID "THAT'S OVER.
YOU WILL NEVER
BITE ME AGAIN."
546
00:34:56,662 --> 00:34:59,598
AND HE NEVER DID.
547
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,804
HE DID LIKE A LOT
OF HUMAN BODY CONTACT.
548
00:35:05,837 --> 00:35:08,207
TYPICALLY, WHEN WE WOULD
LEAVE THE PROPERTY,
549
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,577
HE WOULD BE REALLY
ATTACHED TO YOU.
550
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:17,816
THE WORLD WOULD SCARE HIM,
SO HE WOULD ALWAYS
COME CLOSE.
551
00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:25,791
BILL AND I HUNG TIGHT
WITH NIM.
552
00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:30,629
Bill: WE SORT OF
HIT IT OFF IN A LOT OF
OUR DIFFERENT THINKING.
553
00:35:30,662 --> 00:35:33,765
SHE AND I GOT TOGETHER
AS A COUPLE.
554
00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,567
[BILL LAUGHS]
555
00:35:35,601 --> 00:35:37,536
Joyce: IT HELPED THAT
WE LIKED EACH OTHER.
556
00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:41,273
AND I THINK THAT
THAT HELPED NIM'S LIFE,
557
00:35:41,307 --> 00:35:44,176
BECAUSE WE ENJOYED
EACH OTHER'S COMPANY,
558
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:46,178
SO WE WOULD DO THINGS
TOGETHER,
559
00:35:46,212 --> 00:35:50,449
AND WE WOULD HANG OUT
AS KIND OF A UNIT.
560
00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:57,323
OH, HE LOVED THE CATS.
561
00:35:57,556 --> 00:35:59,658
Bill: HE WAS REALLY,
REALLY TENDER WITH THE CAT,
562
00:35:59,691 --> 00:36:03,662
AND HE'D HOLD IT
AND HE'D JUST LIKE
TO FEEL THE TOUCH.
563
00:36:03,695 --> 00:36:05,664
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
564
00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:08,867
HE'D, LIKE--
WOULD HOLD HER
AND BE LIKE...
565
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:09,901
AND YOU COULD SEE HIM,
LIKE, SHAKING
566
00:36:09,935 --> 00:36:12,271
BECAUSE HE'D BE
LIKE SO EXCITED
THAT HE HAD HER.
567
00:36:12,304 --> 00:36:15,941
HE ACTUALLY, LIKE,
KIND OF PUSHED HER
DOWN ON THE GROUND,
568
00:36:15,974 --> 00:36:17,509
AND THEN CURLED
AROUND HER
569
00:36:17,543 --> 00:36:22,614
AND JUST, LIKE,
LAY THERE LIKE,
"I'M IN HEAVEN."
570
00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:39,665
Bill: I WOULD SAY
THAT IT WAS FAIRLY CLEAR
571
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:43,469
THAT THERE WAS
SOMETHING MORE GOING ON
THAN THE PROJECT,
572
00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:46,004
AT LEAST FROM HIS SIDE.
573
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:49,775
AND I THINK
WE ALL FELT IT,
AND WE KIND OF HAD--
574
00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:51,877
I DON'T WANT TO SAY
RESENTMENT,
575
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,345
BUT IT WAS LIKE,
"HUH, JEEZ,
576
00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:56,515
WOULD HE SORT OF STOP
THIS LAURA THING?"
577
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:59,885
IF SOMEONE SHOWED ME
SOME ATTENTION,
578
00:36:59,918 --> 00:37:04,490
I THOUGHT IT MEANT
THAT THEY CARED FOR ME.
579
00:37:05,924 --> 00:37:08,294
HE HAD POWER.
580
00:37:09,628 --> 00:37:15,033
I AM SURE THAT,
YOU KNOW, UNCONSCIOUSLY,
I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER.
581
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:18,837
UM, SOMEBODY ADMIRES YOU.
582
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:21,540
UM, WHY NOT?
583
00:37:22,308 --> 00:37:25,377
SO, YEAH,
WE VERY BRIEFLY
GOT INVOLVED,
584
00:37:25,411 --> 00:37:31,383
AND HE VERY, VERY BRIEFLY
AND ABRUPTLY GOT OUT OF IT.
585
00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:37,656
THE ENTANGLEMENT
COMPLETELY AFFECTED
MY DECISION TO LEAVE.
586
00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:42,928
IT'S THE HUMANS
I WANTED TO LEAVE,
NOT THE CHIMP.
587
00:37:42,961 --> 00:37:45,063
HERB DIDN'T WANT IT
TO HAPPEN.
588
00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:49,401
HE WENT INTO A VERY
ENTHUSIASTIC MODE
589
00:37:49,435 --> 00:37:52,070
OF TRYING TO CONVINCE ME
NOT TO GO.
590
00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:53,672
I WASN'T PANICKED.
591
00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:55,407
I WASN'T PANICKED
THAT THE PROJECT
592
00:37:55,441 --> 00:37:58,610
WAS JUST GOING TO
GRIND TO A HALT
BECAUSE LAURA LEFT.
593
00:37:58,644 --> 00:38:01,747
AS I RECALL,
JOYCE AND BILL
594
00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:03,349
PRETTY MUCH
TOOK CARE OF THAT.
595
00:38:03,382 --> 00:38:10,456
SO, I DIDN'T LOSE
ANY CRUCIAL ASPECT
OF THE PROJECT.
596
00:38:14,993 --> 00:38:19,531
I STARTED TO GO
TO GET THE BOXES TO LEAVE,
597
00:38:19,565 --> 00:38:23,769
AND NIM PULLED LOOSE
FROM THE PERSON'S HAND,
598
00:38:23,802 --> 00:38:27,573
HE CLIMBS TO
THE SECOND FLOOR
OF THE HOUSE.
599
00:38:27,606 --> 00:38:31,843
THEN HE MUST HAVE LUNGED
25 FEET.
600
00:38:31,877 --> 00:38:33,912
[NIM SCREECHES]
601
00:38:33,945 --> 00:38:36,515
HE LANDED ON ME,
602
00:38:36,548 --> 00:38:39,785
HE TOOK MY HEAD,
603
00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:45,724
AND HE STARTED POUNDING IT
INTO THE PAVEMENT.
604
00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:52,364
IT TOOK 4 MALES
TO GET HIM OFF ME.
605
00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:02,140
HE WASN'T MY CHILD.
606
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:03,742
HE WASN'T MY BABY.
607
00:39:03,775 --> 00:39:07,679
YOU CAN'T GIVE
HUMAN NURTURING
608
00:39:07,713 --> 00:39:11,617
TO AN ANIMAL
THAT COULD KILL YOU.
609
00:39:21,593 --> 00:39:25,030
Herb: ONE OF
THE EASY PARTS
OF THE PROJECT
610
00:39:25,063 --> 00:39:28,434
WAS TO ADVERTISE
FOR TEACHERS.
611
00:39:28,467 --> 00:39:31,670
I SAID,
"OH, THIS IS NICE."
612
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:32,638
[LAUGHS]
613
00:39:32,671 --> 00:39:35,073
I DIDN'T SET OUT
TO HAVE WOMEN
ON THE PROJECT
614
00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:37,709
PREDOMINANTLY,
BUT IT CERTAINLY
TURNED OUT THAT WAY.
615
00:39:37,743 --> 00:39:40,812
AND, YOU KNOW,
IF THAT'S THE WAY
IT TURNED OUT,
616
00:39:40,846 --> 00:39:42,448
THAT'S THE WAY
IT TURNED OUT.
617
00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:45,651
I WAS A TRAINED
INTERPRETER FOR THE DEAF.
618
00:39:45,684 --> 00:39:47,152
WHEN I SET MY MIND
TO SOMETHING,
619
00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,921
I GET WHAT I WANT.
620
00:39:49,955 --> 00:39:51,523
I KEPT SAYING,
I WANT TO LIVE HERE.
621
00:39:51,557 --> 00:39:53,625
WHEN AM I MOVING IN?
WHEN DO I GET TO MOVE IN?
622
00:39:53,659 --> 00:39:59,431
AND I WOULD ANNOY HERB,
AND FINALLY
HE LET ME MOVE IN.
623
00:39:59,465 --> 00:40:01,032
Herb: PROBABLY
AS TIME WENT ON,
624
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:07,172
IT MAY BECOME
MORE DIFFICULT FOR WOMEN
TO WORK WITH HIM.
625
00:40:07,205 --> 00:40:08,306
HE WAS GOING TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THEM,
626
00:40:08,339 --> 00:40:13,111
AND HE WAS BIG ENOUGH
AND STRONG ENOUGH
THAT HE COULD.
627
00:40:13,144 --> 00:40:15,881
I MEAN, IT HURT.
HIS BITES HURT.
628
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:18,617
YOU FELT--
WHEN HE BIT YOUR HAND,
HE GOT THE NERVE,
629
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:22,488
AND YOU'D GET
A RUNNING SHOCK
UP YOUR ARM.
630
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:26,958
WE HAD EPIC BATTLES.
631
00:40:26,992 --> 00:40:29,027
BUT WE MADE UP.
632
00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:31,697
HE'D MAKE THAT FACE
AND SIGN, "SORRY."
633
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:36,802
AND SO--"WELL,
IF I SIGN THIS,
SHE'LL FORGIVE ME."
634
00:40:37,769 --> 00:40:39,237
I HAD A RELATIONSHIP
WITH A CHIMPANZEE,
635
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:43,074
AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS
WITH ANOTHER SPECIES.
636
00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:48,580
Joyce: IT'S NOT
JUST HIM SIGNING THAT
WAS IMPORTANT TO ME,
637
00:40:48,614 --> 00:40:51,116
IT WAS
WHAT HE WAS THINKING
AND EXPERIENCING,
638
00:40:51,149 --> 00:40:53,952
BECAUSE WE WOULD TALK
WHEN WE WOULD HANG OUT.
639
00:40:53,985 --> 00:40:56,622
YOU KNOW,
WE WOULD TALK ABOUT
THE THINGS WE WOULD SEE,
640
00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:58,890
THE THINGS WE WOULD HEAR.
641
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,059
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED,
642
00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:03,128
OUR CLASSROOM WAS
THE HOUSE AND THE YARD
643
00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:06,498
AND THE FIELD TRIPS
THAT WE WOULD TAKE.
644
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:17,943
Herb: SCIENCE IS A VERY
OBJECTIVE ENTERPRISE.
645
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:20,011
YOU CAN'T HAVE
PERSONAL ANECDOTES
646
00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,914
OF HOW I WORKED WITH NIM
UP AT DELAFIELD
647
00:41:22,948 --> 00:41:24,182
AS OPPOSED TO
THE CLASSROOM.
648
00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:27,853
THAT'S JUST
OF NO INTEREST
TO A SCIENTIST.
649
00:41:27,886 --> 00:41:33,024
JOYCE DID NOT SEE
ANYTHING SPECIAL
ABOUT THE CLASSROOM.
650
00:41:33,058 --> 00:41:35,260
HATED IT.
HATED IT. HATED IT.
651
00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:36,828
HE HATED IT.
WE HATED IT.
652
00:41:36,862 --> 00:41:37,929
THAT'S NOT SURPRISING,
653
00:41:37,963 --> 00:41:41,099
BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T
GET THE RESULTS
IN THE CLASSROOM,
654
00:41:41,132 --> 00:41:43,268
UH, THAT I WAS
HOPING FOR.
655
00:41:43,301 --> 00:41:46,071
DICK, DO YOU KNOW
WHAT TIME IT IS?
656
00:41:46,104 --> 00:41:46,972
Dick: YEAH.
657
00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:48,206
Bill: GOING INTO
A DUNGEON OF A CLASSROOM,
658
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,676
WHICH IT REALLY WAS--
I MEAN, THE THING WAS
15 FEET SQUARE,
659
00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:54,580
INCLUDING
THE OBSERVATION BOOTH
AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
660
00:41:54,613 --> 00:41:57,616
NO WINDOWS,
NO PLACE, REALLY,
TO HAVE ANY ACTIVITY.
661
00:41:57,649 --> 00:42:00,251
TRYING TO GET
NIM'S ATTENTION WAS
A BIT OF A STRUGGLE.
662
00:42:00,285 --> 00:42:05,090
AND HE WOULD HAVE RATHER
BEEN DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
663
00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,696
PAY ATTENTION TO ME.
664
00:42:12,664 --> 00:42:14,833
SHH.
665
00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:18,069
SO THIS IS THE SIGN
FOR "DIRTY."
666
00:42:18,103 --> 00:42:20,806
SO WE USED IT FOR TOILET,
FOR HIM,
667
00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:23,842
BECAUSE
IT'S A CONTACT SIGN.
668
00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:27,713
HE WOULD JUMP THROUGH
THE SIGNS
669
00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:28,814
THAT I ASKED HIM
TO JUMP THROUGH,
670
00:42:28,847 --> 00:42:29,881
AND THEN
HE WOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH,
671
00:42:29,915 --> 00:42:33,652
AND HE WOULD SAY,
"I NEED TO GO
TO THE BATHROOM."
672
00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:38,624
WHAT?
673
00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:41,226
AND THAT'S WHEN I KNEW,
674
00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:44,896
YOU LITTLE BUGGER.
[CHUCKLES]
675
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:45,864
YOU USED THAT SIGN
676
00:42:45,897 --> 00:42:48,266
BECAUSE YOU KNEW
IT WOULD MAKE US
LEAVE THERE
677
00:42:48,299 --> 00:42:51,036
AND GET US
OUT OF THERE.
678
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,043
Bill: HE WAS GROWING
SMARTER AND SMARTER.
679
00:42:58,810 --> 00:43:02,380
AND SMARTER IN THE SENSE
OF RECOGNIZING
SITUATIONS
680
00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:04,149
THAT HE COULD TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF,
681
00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:07,786
WHEN HE COULD GET
WHAT HE WANTED.
682
00:43:15,994 --> 00:43:19,898
Renee Falitz:
HE WAS STARTING
TO DISCOVER HIMSELF.
683
00:43:19,931 --> 00:43:22,133
THERE WAS A BIG ROCK
IN THE FRONT YARD
684
00:43:22,167 --> 00:43:24,736
AND HE USED TO LIKE
TO HUMP IT.
685
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:27,272
[LAUGHS] AND I'D SAY,
YOU'RE GOING
TO HURT YOURSELF.
686
00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:28,206
THAT'S A ROCK!
687
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,207
LIKE, LOOK AT HIMSELF
AND GO, "WHAT'S THAT?"
688
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:33,311
AS THIS WHOLE THING WITH
THE PHYSICALITY BECAME,
689
00:43:33,344 --> 00:43:34,880
UM, YOU KNOW,
AN ISSUE,
690
00:43:34,913 --> 00:43:35,847
WE WERE MUCH MORE
CAUTIOUS, I THINK,
691
00:43:35,881 --> 00:43:38,950
ABOUT LETTING
THE CATS AROUND--
AROUND HIM,
692
00:43:38,984 --> 00:43:42,387
LETTING HIM PLAY WITH--
PLAY WITH THE CATS.
693
00:43:44,322 --> 00:43:45,556
Joyce: HE WOULD
EVEN TRY TO--
694
00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:49,260
NOT ENGAGE DIRECTLY
IN SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS
WITH THE ANIMALS,
695
00:43:49,294 --> 00:43:52,664
BUT DEFINITELY
TO BRING THEM TO HIM
696
00:43:52,698 --> 00:43:55,300
AND TO HIS PENIS AREA.
697
00:43:58,369 --> 00:44:03,641
AND I JUST SAID,
"NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT
THEY'RE THERE FOR."
698
00:44:08,246 --> 00:44:09,147
LET GO.
699
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:11,783
Bill: WE REALIZED--
I THINK ALL OF US DID--
700
00:44:11,817 --> 00:44:14,452
IT WAS BECOMING
INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT
701
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,688
TO PURSUE
THE EXPERIMENT.
702
00:44:16,722 --> 00:44:20,792
Joyce:
NIM WAS SCRATCHING HARD,
HE WAS BITING HARDER,
703
00:44:20,826 --> 00:44:24,395
BITING MORE OFTEN,
BITING MORE PEOPLE.
704
00:44:24,429 --> 00:44:27,966
Bill: WE HAD MENTIONED
THE GROWING CONCERN
705
00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:29,735
THAT WE HAD
AND ABOUT HOW TO,
YOU KNOW,
706
00:44:29,768 --> 00:44:31,236
SORT OF HOW
TO DEAL WITH NIM.
707
00:44:31,269 --> 00:44:32,037
[NIM SCREECHES]
708
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:33,104
HE DOESN'T WANT TO
JUMP INTO MY ARMS.
709
00:44:33,138 --> 00:44:36,341
DR. TERRACE WAS
PRETTY MUCH
AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD.
710
00:44:36,374 --> 00:44:38,076
Joyce: HERB WAS NEVER
ALONE WITH NIM,
711
00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:41,279
AND HERB NEVER HAD
TO SPEND ANY KIND
OF TIME WITH HIM.
712
00:44:41,312 --> 00:44:42,914
[NIM CHIRPS]
713
00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:44,983
ONCE IN A WHILE,
YOU KNOW, PHOTO SHOOTS,
714
00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:46,251
FOR HIM TO
EITHER TAKE PHOTOS
715
00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:49,354
OR FOR HIM TO HAVE
PHOTOS TAKEN OF HIM.
716
00:44:51,857 --> 00:44:54,726
Herb: YES, THERE WERE
OCCASIONAL BITES.
717
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,295
I IMAGINE THEY INCREASED
IN FREQUENCY
718
00:44:57,328 --> 00:44:58,897
JUST BECAUSE
NIM WAS GETTING OLDER.
719
00:44:58,930 --> 00:45:03,802
IN THAT SENSE,
HE WAS BECOMING
MORE CHIMP-LIKE.
720
00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:09,841
BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM
TO BE A CAUSE FOR ALARM,
AT THAT POINT.
721
00:45:10,341 --> 00:45:12,110
Renee:
IT WAS THE END OF JULY.
722
00:45:12,143 --> 00:45:14,245
IT WAS JULY 28th.
723
00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:16,247
AND BILL HAD HIM,
724
00:45:16,281 --> 00:45:20,018
AND WE DID
THE BODY-TO-BODY TRANSFER.
725
00:45:20,919 --> 00:45:23,989
I MEAN YOU'RE--
YOU'RE HOLDING--
YOU'RE HOLDING NIM,
726
00:45:24,022 --> 00:45:25,456
AND THE OTHER PERSON
COMES UP,
727
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:28,059
AND YOU JUST KIND
OF HAND THE CHIMP
728
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:28,994
TO THE OTHER PERSON.
729
00:45:29,027 --> 00:45:33,131
AND I SAID, "COME ON,"
AND I GOT THE TETHER,
730
00:45:33,164 --> 00:45:35,834
YOU KNOW, WE--
YOU GOT THE LOOP FIRST,
731
00:45:35,867 --> 00:45:38,136
AND I THEN TIED IT
TO MY BELT.
732
00:45:38,169 --> 00:45:39,304
"COME HERE."
733
00:45:39,337 --> 00:45:44,142
AND HE CAME OVER,
AND HE PUT HIS ARMS
AROUND ME. "AAH."
734
00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:46,377
HE JUST CRUNCHED MY FACE.
735
00:45:46,411 --> 00:45:50,248
IT JUST HAPPENED.
736
00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:51,382
[CHIMP SCREECHING]
737
00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:54,252
AND I GRABBED NIM
AND JUST DRAGGED HIM
INTO THE HOUSE,
738
00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:57,923
AND HE WAS LIKE, OHH!
"SORRY, SORRY, SORRY."
AND I'M, "NO, NO, NO."
739
00:45:57,956 --> 00:46:00,058
AND I PASSED THAT ARMOIRE
WITH THAT MIRROR
740
00:46:00,091 --> 00:46:01,860
AND SAW ALL THIS BLOOD.
741
00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:04,029
HE'D BIT THROUGH MY CHEEK,
742
00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:05,864
ALMOST TO
THE INSIDE OF MY MOUTH.
743
00:46:05,897 --> 00:46:10,368
IT WAS FOLDED OVER
SO YOU COULD SEE
INSIDE MY FACE.
744
00:46:13,939 --> 00:46:17,142
I DON'T RECALL
IF SHE WENT TO
THE EMERGENCY ROOM,
745
00:46:17,175 --> 00:46:20,178
BUT I THINK THAT
SOMETHING LIKE THAT
HAPPENED.
746
00:46:20,211 --> 00:46:22,047
MM.
747
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,517
IT WAS JUST--
IT WAS JUST BAD.
748
00:46:26,551 --> 00:46:30,255
I WAS PROBABLY WORRIED
THAT SHE WOULD SUE ME,
749
00:46:30,288 --> 00:46:34,325
UM, OR THIS WOULD BECOME
A PUBLIC--
750
00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:36,127
THIS WOULD BECOME
PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT
751
00:46:36,161 --> 00:46:40,465
HOW...LIFE-THREATENING
THE PROJECT MIGHT BE.
752
00:46:40,498 --> 00:46:45,170
THEY COULDN'T SEW IT
BECAUSE OF THE INFECTION
AND RISK OF INFECTION,
753
00:46:45,203 --> 00:46:50,976
SO I HAD
AN OPEN, GAPING WOUND
ON MY FACE FOR 3 MONTHS.
754
00:46:59,517 --> 00:47:01,152
AND WHEN I GOT
OUT OF THE HOSPITAL,
755
00:47:01,186 --> 00:47:03,621
I SAID, YOU KNOW,
I--I WANT TO SEE NIM.
756
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:07,525
HE WENT, "OOH,"
AND HE WENT TO REACH
FOR MY FACE AGAIN.
757
00:47:07,558 --> 00:47:08,459
I WENT,
"WHOA, THAT'S IT.
758
00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:11,629
I DON'T NEED CLOSURE NOW.
I'M OUT OF HERE."
759
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:15,366
I WAS SCARED.
760
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,303
I'M TENACIOUS,
AND I DIDN'T WANT
TO LET GO.
761
00:47:18,336 --> 00:47:22,273
IT'S SORT OF LIKE
BREAKING UP WITH
A BAD BOYFRIEND.
762
00:47:27,145 --> 00:47:29,881
Herb: I WAS SORRY
THAT IT CAME TO THAT,
763
00:47:29,915 --> 00:47:33,651
BUT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW
HOW NIM IS GOING
TO CHANGE,
764
00:47:33,684 --> 00:47:37,222
AND YOU JUST CAN'T COUNT
ON HAVING
765
00:47:37,255 --> 00:47:40,525
OUTSTANDING TEACHERS
ALL THE TIME.
766
00:47:48,299 --> 00:47:52,003
I FELT I WAS SPREADING
MYSELF TOO THINLY
767
00:47:52,037 --> 00:47:54,272
AND EXPERIENCING
TOO MUCH STRESS
768
00:47:54,305 --> 00:47:58,876
AND NOT ENOUGH,
YOU KNOW, GOOD RESULTS.
769
00:48:02,113 --> 00:48:04,415
NOBODY KEEPS A CHIMP
FOR MORE THAN 5 YEARS,
770
00:48:04,449 --> 00:48:08,519
BECAUSE AT 5 YEARS,
THEY DON'T KNOW
THEIR OWN STRENGTH
771
00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:11,957
AND THEY CAN DO
A LOT OF DAMAGE
TO PEOPLE.
772
00:48:17,462 --> 00:48:18,563
HE CALLED US TOGETHER
773
00:48:18,596 --> 00:48:22,067
AND DROPPED THE BOMB
AND SAID, "IT'S OVER."
774
00:48:25,003 --> 00:48:28,639
I WAS ONE VERY ANGRY
YOUNG WOMAN.
775
00:48:33,478 --> 00:48:36,714
YOU DON'T SAY,
"WE'RE NOT DOING THIS
ANYMORE,"
776
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:39,684
AND BECAUSE HERB HAD
THAT CARD TO PLAY,
777
00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:43,488
HE PLAYED IT,
'CAUSE HE WAS IN
THE POWER SEAT.
778
00:48:47,692 --> 00:48:49,460
Herb:
I THINK I SAID,
779
00:48:49,494 --> 00:48:54,399
THERE'S NO POINT
OF THIS GOING ON
SCIENTIFICALLY.
780
00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:58,003
I FELT THAT NIM
HAD PROGRESSED A LOT,
781
00:48:58,036 --> 00:49:01,339
AND WE HADN'T HAD
A CHANCE TO REALLY
ANALYZE OUR DATA.
782
00:49:01,372 --> 00:49:05,376
I JUST KNEW THAT
WE HAD REAMS OF DATA.
783
00:49:08,446 --> 00:49:10,215
Bill:
THIS WHOLE MASS OF DATA
784
00:49:10,248 --> 00:49:11,549
THAT NEEDED
TO BE ORGANIZED,
785
00:49:11,582 --> 00:49:17,122
AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE
A LONG AND TEDIOUS PROCESS.
786
00:49:17,155 --> 00:49:18,623
Herb: THE FUNDAMENTAL
QUESTION WAS,
787
00:49:18,656 --> 00:49:22,193
"CAN A CHIMPANZEE
CREATE A SENTENCE?"
788
00:49:22,227 --> 00:49:26,497
I DON'T THINK
I HAD ANY DEFINITIVE
CONCLUSION TO THAT.
789
00:49:26,531 --> 00:49:29,067
WE HAD TO WAIT AND SEE.
790
00:49:31,202 --> 00:49:32,570
IT'S KIND OF LIKE,
YOU KNOW,
791
00:49:32,603 --> 00:49:33,671
YOU GET--
YOU'RE ALMOST THERE
792
00:49:33,704 --> 00:49:37,242
AND YOU FEEL LIKE
THERE'S GOING TO BE
A CONCLUSION,
793
00:49:37,275 --> 00:49:39,010
AND, UM, IT'S LIKE,
794
00:49:39,044 --> 00:49:43,148
OK. [CLICKS TONGUE]
IT'S OVER.
795
00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:49,754
Herb: I THOUGHT THAT
THE SURROUNDINGS
IN WHICH HE WAS BORN
796
00:49:49,787 --> 00:49:56,227
WOULD PROVIDE
THE MOST PSYCHOLOGICAL
SUPPORT FOR NIM.
797
00:49:56,261 --> 00:50:00,665
I FELT THE BASIC NEEDS
WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF.
798
00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:03,201
[TELEPHONE RINGS]
[CHIMPS CHATTERING]
799
00:50:03,234 --> 00:50:07,672
SO ONCE I GOT BILL LEMMON
TO AGREE TO TAKE HIM BACK,
800
00:50:07,705 --> 00:50:09,507
THAT WAS IT.
801
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:11,342
[RING]
802
00:50:22,353 --> 00:50:24,689
Joyce:
I HOPE HE'LL BE OK.
803
00:50:24,722 --> 00:50:26,557
THAT'S WHY I WANT
TO GO WITH HIM.
804
00:50:26,591 --> 00:50:28,126
I HOPE THAT
I'LL BE ABLE
805
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,261
TO INTRODUCE HIM
TO HIS NEW LIFE
806
00:50:30,295 --> 00:50:34,099
BUT STILL HAVE
AN OLD PART OF HIS LIFE
WITH HIM--NAMELY ME.
807
00:50:34,132 --> 00:50:36,567
THEN HE CAN GET USED TO IT,
AND I CAN FADE OUT,
808
00:50:36,601 --> 00:50:38,269
AND HE'LL BE FINE.
809
00:50:38,303 --> 00:50:44,142
IT WON'T JUST BE
AN ABRUPT BREAK
BETWEEN OLD AND NEW.
810
00:51:04,295 --> 00:51:07,365
Bill: AND WE GET NIM UP
EARLY ONE MORNING.
811
00:51:08,366 --> 00:51:09,767
HE GETS A SHOT,
AND HE'S OUT.
812
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,637
[THUNDER]
[RAINING]
813
00:51:17,642 --> 00:51:23,581
Herb:
I CHARTERED A PLANE
AND HIRED A PILOT.
814
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:33,791
Herb: NIM WAS GIVEN
TRANQUILIZERS
815
00:51:33,824 --> 00:51:40,231
TO REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY
OF HIS GETTING OUT OF HAND.
816
00:51:40,898 --> 00:51:45,636
IF HE WAS TRANQUILIZED,
HE'D BE EASIER TO CONTROL
817
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:49,807
AND NOT DO ANY DAMAGE
TO THE PLANE, WHICH COULD
BE QUITE DANGEROUS.
818
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,512
SO THAT'S HOW
WE'D GET HIM TO OKLAHOMA.
819
00:51:54,545 --> 00:51:59,650
IT WAS JUST
A NASTY THING TO DO.
820
00:51:59,684 --> 00:52:02,820
VERY DECEITFUL,
I THINK.
821
00:52:05,523 --> 00:52:09,294
Herb: THE QUESTION IS,
WHAT WAS GOING TO
HAPPEN IN OKLAHOMA?
822
00:52:09,327 --> 00:52:15,666
AND I DIDN'T HAVE
ANY SENSE OF THAT,
SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
823
00:52:44,629 --> 00:52:47,432
Joyce:
"HOLY SHIT--"
[CHUCKLES]
824
00:52:47,465 --> 00:52:48,699
WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT.
825
00:52:48,733 --> 00:52:51,336
[CHIMPS CHATTERING
AND SCREECHING]
826
00:52:51,369 --> 00:52:53,571
AND I THINK
HIS REACTION WAS,
827
00:52:53,604 --> 00:52:55,706
"HOLY SHIT," TOO.
828
00:52:55,740 --> 00:53:00,578
LIKE HE KNEW WE WERE--
HE KNEW IT WAS BAD.
829
00:53:01,446 --> 00:53:04,615
AND HE'D NEVER SEEN
A CHIMP BEFORE.
830
00:53:04,649 --> 00:53:06,717
AND HE WAS HOLDING ON
TIGHT.
831
00:53:06,751 --> 00:53:10,388
[CHIMP SCREECHING]
832
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:13,824
YOU LOOK AROUND,
YOU SEE CAGES,
833
00:53:13,858 --> 00:53:16,927
AND YOU HEAR
THE SOUNDS OF--OF
A LOT OF CHIMPANZEES.
834
00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:19,497
WOULD I HAVE
ENVISIONED THIS
835
00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:21,332
WHEN I STARTED
ON THIS PROJECT,
836
00:53:21,366 --> 00:53:24,001
THAT HE EVER WOULD
END UP THERE? NO.
837
00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:26,804
[PANTING AND GRUNTING]
838
00:53:28,373 --> 00:53:32,743
IT TURNED OUT TO BE
A SURPRISINGLY
MORE PRIMITIVE FACILITY
839
00:53:32,777 --> 00:53:35,246
THAN I REMEMBERED.
840
00:53:36,781 --> 00:53:38,649
'CAUSE OUR CAGES
WERE CAGES.
841
00:53:38,683 --> 00:53:40,885
THEY WEREN'T JUST A ROOM
WITH A LOCKED DOOR.
842
00:53:40,918 --> 00:53:42,353
THEY WERE CAGES.
843
00:53:42,387 --> 00:53:44,289
I MEAN, IT LOOKED
LIKE A PRISON--
844
00:53:44,322 --> 00:53:50,661
A REALLY STARK, UGLY,
DARK, DANK PRISON.
845
00:53:51,862 --> 00:53:56,267
THEY HAD A CHAIN AROUND
THEIR NECK WITH A LOCK.
846
00:53:57,802 --> 00:54:00,405
SHOULD YOU GET
INTO A BAD FIGHT,
847
00:54:00,438 --> 00:54:03,341
YOU COULD GRAB THE CHAIN
AND KEEP THEM OFF OF YOU.
848
00:54:03,374 --> 00:54:04,442
IT WAS LIKE
PRISON BEHAVIOR.
849
00:54:04,475 --> 00:54:07,678
WE HAD TO PUT UP
AN ELECTRIC FENCE
AROUND THE ISLAND
850
00:54:07,712 --> 00:54:10,648
'CAUSE WE HAD HAD
SEVERAL MURDERS
851
00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:12,717
AND 2 SUICIDES.
852
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:15,520
THEY'D JUST PUSH THEM
OUT INTO THE WATER.
853
00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:16,687
CHIMPS CAN'T SWIM.
854
00:54:16,721 --> 00:54:19,524
Joyce: DR. LEMMON
RAN THE PLACE.
855
00:54:19,557 --> 00:54:22,793
I HAD AN IMMEDIATE
HORRIBLE REACTION.
856
00:54:22,827 --> 00:54:26,364
HE WALKED AROUND
WITH A CATTLE PROD.
857
00:54:28,032 --> 00:54:31,035
I REMEMBER TRYING
TO PUSH NIM AWAY--
[CHUCKLES]
858
00:54:31,068 --> 00:54:33,003
BECAUSE I KNEW
WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO.
859
00:54:33,037 --> 00:54:38,743
AND NIM WAS SCREAMING
AND HOLDING ON TO
ME VERY TIGHTLY.
860
00:54:38,776 --> 00:54:41,479
AND THE ONLY REASON
HE LET GO
861
00:54:41,512 --> 00:54:44,915
IS BECAUSE
HE GOT ZAPPED WITH
THE ELECTRIC PROD.
862
00:54:44,949 --> 00:54:47,985
[CHIMP
SCREECHING]
863
00:54:49,554 --> 00:54:50,455
OK. IT'S OK,
IT'S OK.
864
00:54:50,488 --> 00:54:52,323
Bill:
COME HERE A MINUTE.
MAC, COME HERE.
865
00:54:52,357 --> 00:54:55,360
MAC, COME HERE.
COME HERE.
PSST. COME HERE.
866
00:54:55,393 --> 00:54:59,764
THE REASONING BEHIND
THE WHOLE MAC-NIM
INTERACTION
867
00:54:59,797 --> 00:55:03,534
WAS THAT MAC WAS
NOT DANGEROUS.
868
00:55:05,135 --> 00:55:06,671
Alyce: HE WAS SMALL,
869
00:55:06,704 --> 00:55:10,741
SO HE WAS NOT
AN AGGRESSIVE,
DOMINANT CHIMP.
870
00:55:10,775 --> 00:55:15,346
SO HE WAS
THE PERFECT ONE FOR
NIM TO START WITH.
871
00:55:17,848 --> 00:55:21,519
Bill, whispering;
Hey, do you want
a tickle?
872
00:55:21,552 --> 00:55:23,988
[GRUNTING]
873
00:55:27,057 --> 00:55:29,960
LOOK AT THAT.
874
00:55:29,994 --> 00:55:32,630
[INDISTINCT]
875
00:55:41,038 --> 00:55:43,474
SIT DOWN, MAC.
SIT DOWN.
876
00:55:43,508 --> 00:55:46,677
[CHATTERS]
877
00:55:55,686 --> 00:55:59,657
OH, NO. HEY, MAC.
UH-UH. BAH.
878
00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,167
Interviewer: HOW DID YOU
EXPECT NIM TO REACT
879
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,137
TO HIS FIRST MEETING
WITH ANOTHER CHIMP?
880
00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:14,572
Herb: I THINK
WHAT HAPPENED WAS
881
00:56:14,605 --> 00:56:17,475
THAT NIM WAS
VERY APPREHENSIVE
ABOUT MAC,
882
00:56:17,508 --> 00:56:18,843
AND HE TOOK HIS TIME,
AND THEN,
883
00:56:18,876 --> 00:56:23,481
WHEN HE WAS READY,
YOU KNOW, HE AND MAC
GOT IT OFF.
884
00:56:25,015 --> 00:56:26,517
I FEEL VERY GOOD
ABOUT THIS
885
00:56:26,551 --> 00:56:29,153
BECAUSE I CAN LEAVE NOW
KNOWING THAT, UM,
886
00:56:29,186 --> 00:56:30,287
NIM HAS A FRIEND,
887
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,658
AND HE'S GOING
TO WORRY LESS ABOUT
HIS HUMAN COMPANIONS
888
00:56:33,691 --> 00:56:36,894
AND HAVE, YOU KNOW,
AT LEAST ONE OTHER CHIMP
TO TURN TO.
889
00:56:36,927 --> 00:56:39,664
[INSECTS BUZZING]
890
00:56:44,669 --> 00:56:45,936
[CHIMPS CALLING]
891
00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:47,705
Bill:
IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE,
892
00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:52,877
AND THAT'S WHEN I TOOK NIM
AND PUT HIM IN THE CAGE.
893
00:56:55,245 --> 00:56:57,081
SURE, I DIDN'T WANT
JOYCE DOING IT,
894
00:56:57,114 --> 00:56:59,717
SO I JUST SAID, WELL,
I BETTER GO DO IT.
895
00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:01,486
I DIDN'T WANT TERRACE
DOING IT.
896
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:06,724
UM, SO I JUST DECIDED
I WAS GOING TO DO IT.
897
00:57:07,157 --> 00:57:10,227
[GRUNTS]
[METAL CLATTERS]
898
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,897
[RATTLES]
899
00:57:14,732 --> 00:57:16,000
YOU KNOW,
WE COAXED HIM DOWN THERE,
900
00:57:16,033 --> 00:57:19,570
AND THEN--[SNIFFLES]
BECAUSE HE TRUSTED US.
901
00:57:19,604 --> 00:57:21,872
I JUST LET HIM IN THERE
AND TOOK THE LEAD
902
00:57:21,906 --> 00:57:24,709
AND TIED IT AROUND
THE FAR END OF THE CAGE
903
00:57:24,742 --> 00:57:27,244
AND SAID GOOD-BYE
AND WALKED OUT
904
00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:29,013
AND SHUT THE DOOR.
905
00:57:29,046 --> 00:57:31,749
[CHIMPS HOOTING]
906
00:57:34,552 --> 00:57:36,186
[DOOR RATTLES]
907
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:39,023
[CREAKING]
[RATTLES]
908
00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:44,729
HE WAS SORT OF HOOTING
AND TRYING TO COME
AFTER ME,
909
00:57:44,762 --> 00:57:47,264
UM, 'CAUSE
HE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW
WHERE HE WAS,
910
00:57:47,297 --> 00:57:52,102
BUT, UM, I JUST--
I JUST WALKED AWAY.
911
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:54,805
AND THEN
WHEN HE WASN'T LOOKING,
912
00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:58,242
HE RAN...
OUT THE DOOR.
913
00:58:13,924 --> 00:58:15,926
I DID FEEL BADLY.
914
00:58:16,827 --> 00:58:20,598
UM, I FELT,
IN A CERTAIN BASIC SENSE,
915
00:58:20,631 --> 00:58:21,966
THAT WAS NOT
THE RIGHT THING TO DO
916
00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:26,637
TO SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW,
WHO HAD BEEN PART OF MY LIFE
FOR SO MANY YEARS,
917
00:58:26,671 --> 00:58:29,574
AND THAT I WAS
DEFINITELY DOING SOMETHING
918
00:58:29,607 --> 00:58:34,144
THAT HE SOMEHOW WOULD FEEL
WAS UNJUST OR WRONG.
919
00:58:39,717 --> 00:58:44,922
HE HAD A LITTLE DOLL
OR SOMETHING THAT
I THINK I LEFT.
920
00:58:50,227 --> 00:58:57,668
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT
WE MADE A COMMITMENT
TO HIM AND WE FAILED.
921
00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:03,340
WE DID A HUGE DISSERVICE
TO THAT SOUL,
922
00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:06,010
AND SHAME ON US.
923
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,149
[METAL CLANGS]
924
00:59:12,182 --> 00:59:15,052
[CHIMPS HOOTING]
925
00:59:15,085 --> 00:59:17,321
Bob Ingersoll:
ASSUMED, I GUESS WRONGLY,
926
00:59:17,354 --> 00:59:18,889
THAT NIM WAS GOING
TO COME BACK
927
00:59:18,923 --> 00:59:20,124
AND HE WAS GOING
TO BE CELEBRATED
928
00:59:20,157 --> 00:59:24,028
IN THE SENSE THAT
HE WAS GOING TO BE
THE GREAT SIGNING CHIMP.
929
00:59:24,795 --> 00:59:26,831
NO, EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
930
00:59:26,864 --> 00:59:29,634
EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
931
00:59:30,868 --> 00:59:32,603
NIM IN THE CAGE.
932
00:59:32,637 --> 00:59:36,373
NO SPECIAL TREATMENT,
NO YOGURT, NO GRANOLA,
933
00:59:36,406 --> 00:59:37,775
NO--NONE OF THAT.
934
00:59:37,808 --> 00:59:41,245
IT WAS PRETTY TRAUMATIC
FOR THE CHIMP.
935
00:59:41,278 --> 00:59:43,748
[METAL DOOR SHUTS]
936
00:59:46,751 --> 00:59:50,788
THEY CURL UP
AND LAY DOWN.
937
00:59:50,821 --> 00:59:52,957
THEY LOSE INTEREST
IN FOOD.
938
00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:55,693
THEY JUST...
939
00:59:57,928 --> 01:00:00,230
IT WAS A BAD START
WITH NIM AND I.
940
01:00:00,264 --> 01:00:01,799
THE CHIMP IS VERY UPSET.
941
01:00:01,832 --> 01:00:05,235
AND HE JUST LOOKS AT ME
AND HE JUMPS AND LUNGES
AT ME
942
01:00:05,269 --> 01:00:09,273
AND BITES
THROUGH AN ARTERY,
RIGHT IN HERE.
943
01:00:09,306 --> 01:00:12,777
I DID USE
A SMALL SHOCK STICK.
944
01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:15,145
[CHIMP SCREECHES]
945
01:00:15,179 --> 01:00:17,715
HE HAD TO GROW UP
AND NOT BE
946
01:00:17,748 --> 01:00:21,686
A SINGLE SPOILED CHILD
ANYMORE.
947
01:00:23,153 --> 01:00:25,022
SO YOU GOT TO SOCIALIZE,
948
01:00:25,055 --> 01:00:27,357
WORK ON HIS CHIMPANZEE
949
01:00:27,391 --> 01:00:29,426
AND MANNERS.
950
01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:32,362
[SCREECHING
AND CHATTERING]
951
01:00:37,802 --> 01:00:39,704
EVERYBODY NEEDS A JOB,
952
01:00:39,737 --> 01:00:42,306
MEANING AND PURPOSE.
953
01:00:46,076 --> 01:00:49,279
I HAD THEM OUT.
THEY WOULD HELP ME
IN THE BIG KITCHEN
954
01:00:49,313 --> 01:00:52,082
WHERE WE PREPPED
OUR FOOD AND DID STUFF.
955
01:00:52,116 --> 01:00:53,884
THEY'D SWEEP.
956
01:00:53,918 --> 01:00:55,920
NIM WAS A COMPULSIVE
HAND-WASHER.
957
01:00:55,953 --> 01:00:58,188
HE'D DO DISHES.
958
01:00:58,222 --> 01:01:00,891
VANESSA LIKED TO DUST.
959
01:01:00,925 --> 01:01:05,429
LITTLE MAC LIKED
TO CLEAN CAGES
AND WEAR MY BOOTS.
960
01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:08,098
[CHATTERING]
961
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,936
THIS WAS A SPECIAL GROUP
OF CHIMPS.
962
01:01:11,969 --> 01:01:14,138
YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T
ORDINARY CHIMPS.
963
01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:18,709
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD
THE CAPACITY FOR
HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS.
964
01:01:31,321 --> 01:01:34,224
[SCREECHING
AND GRUNTING]
965
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:44,835
Alyce:
TERRACE CAME BACK
A YEAR LATER.
966
01:01:45,502 --> 01:01:47,037
Bob:
HERB ARRIVED, AND--
967
01:01:47,071 --> 01:01:49,974
WITH STILL PHOTOGRAPHERS
AND CAMERAS
968
01:01:50,007 --> 01:01:51,742
AND THAT SORT OF THING.
969
01:01:51,776 --> 01:01:55,712
IT WAS A SHOOT,
AND IT WAS ARRANGED
AS SUCH.
970
01:01:57,514 --> 01:02:00,751
THERE WAS NO QUESTION
THAT HE WAS VERY HAPPY
971
01:02:00,785 --> 01:02:01,852
THAT HE COULD
SEE ME AGAIN.
972
01:02:01,886 --> 01:02:05,422
THERE WAS NO ANGER
THAT "WHY DID YOU
LEAVE ME HERE?"
973
01:02:05,455 --> 01:02:11,128
IT WAS JUST "HEY,
THAT'S GREAT, I'M GOING
TO SEE HIM AGAIN."
974
01:02:11,896 --> 01:02:13,130
Bob: YOU COULD SEE
THAT HE WAS LIKE,
975
01:02:13,163 --> 01:02:15,432
"HOLY SHIT,
I'M GOING BACK
TO NEW YORK!"
976
01:02:15,465 --> 01:02:16,801
IT WAS LIKE THAT,
977
01:02:16,834 --> 01:02:19,403
LIKE HE WAS GOING
TO BE RESCUED.
978
01:02:19,436 --> 01:02:22,072
AND IT WAS--
979
01:02:22,106 --> 01:02:24,408
IT WAS KIND OF SAD.
980
01:02:27,211 --> 01:02:28,512
Herb:
I PLAYED WITH HIM.
981
01:02:28,545 --> 01:02:30,280
WE GOT INTO GAMES
OF SIGNING.
982
01:02:30,314 --> 01:02:32,416
I REMEMBER I GOT HIM
TO SIGN "HUG."
983
01:02:32,449 --> 01:02:33,383
I GOT HIM
TO SIGN "HERB."
984
01:02:33,417 --> 01:02:36,386
IN FACT,
I CAN GET ALMOST
ANY SIGN OUT OF HIM.
985
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:39,156
I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO
THROUGH A DRILL.
986
01:02:39,189 --> 01:02:43,794
SO IT WAS
A VERY ENTERTAINING,
COMFORTABLE AFTERNOON.
987
01:02:43,828 --> 01:02:46,496
NO BAD BEHAVIOR
OF ANY KIND.
988
01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:49,333
Alyce:
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
LOOKS AT HIS WATCH,
989
01:02:49,366 --> 01:02:54,504
GIVES ME NIM BACK,
AND FLIES OFF...
990
01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:56,807
AND IS GONE.
991
01:02:57,274 --> 01:03:00,010
NEXT MORNING,
HE BARELY ATE.
992
01:03:00,044 --> 01:03:04,481
HE JUST STARTED
TO CRATER.
993
01:03:06,316 --> 01:03:08,919
Bob:
HERB NEVER CAME BACK.
994
01:03:08,953 --> 01:03:10,454
[CHIMPS SCREECH]
995
01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:13,057
I THOUGHT,
I'M GOING TO BECOME
NIM'S FRIEND.
996
01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:14,358
AND I'M GOING
TO HANG WITH NIM,
997
01:03:14,391 --> 01:03:16,927
AND WE'LL SEE
WHAT HAPPENS.
998
01:03:16,961 --> 01:03:17,862
[CLATTER]
999
01:03:17,895 --> 01:03:19,463
I MEAN, THERE WASN'T
MUCH I COULD DO FOR HIM
1000
01:03:19,496 --> 01:03:22,399
IN TERMS OF THE CAGE
BUT GET HIM OUT.
1001
01:03:22,432 --> 01:03:24,301
[INSECTS BUZZ]
1002
01:03:24,334 --> 01:03:26,236
OH, YOU SAW THAT, HUH?
1003
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:28,873
[BIRDS CHIRPING]
1004
01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:31,375
SIT DOWN.
SEE YOU LATER, NIM.
1005
01:03:34,511 --> 01:03:36,213
WE JUST LIKED EACH OTHER
RIGHT OFF,
1006
01:03:36,246 --> 01:03:39,984
AND SOMETIMES,
IT'S LIKE THAT.
1007
01:03:55,399 --> 01:03:58,035
CHIMPS AREN'T HUMANS.
1008
01:03:58,235 --> 01:03:59,503
YOU HAVE TO KIND
OF UNDERSTAND CHIMPS
1009
01:03:59,536 --> 01:04:05,009
TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
HOW TO WORK WITH THEM
AND BE WITH THEM.
1010
01:04:09,279 --> 01:04:12,049
I TOOK HIM OUT ON WALKS.
I DIDN'T BRING FOOD.
1011
01:04:12,082 --> 01:04:14,484
AND I DIDN'T DO
THE KIND OF THINGS THAT--
1012
01:04:14,518 --> 01:04:17,587
THAT WOULD INTERRUPT
THE RELATIONSHIP
1013
01:04:17,621 --> 01:04:21,358
OR THE BUILDING
OF THE RELATIONSHIP.
1014
01:04:24,461 --> 01:04:28,065
HE, YOU KNOW--
HE GROWS ON YOU QUICK.
1015
01:04:28,098 --> 01:04:29,399
HE'S--WAS SO CHARMING.
1016
01:04:29,433 --> 01:04:32,202
I MEAN IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME
THAT ANIMALS HAD
1017
01:04:32,236 --> 01:04:35,505
THAT KIND OF PERSONALITY
LIKE OURS.
1018
01:04:37,041 --> 01:04:40,010
Alyce: AND YOU HAD
TO BE TRUE OF HEART.
1019
01:04:40,044 --> 01:04:42,012
YOU HAD TO BE
TRUE OF HEART.
1020
01:04:42,046 --> 01:04:43,580
IF YOU HAD
DARK PLACES IN YOU,
1021
01:04:43,613 --> 01:04:47,217
THEY'D KNOW IT
AND THEY WOULDN'T
LIKE YOU.
1022
01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:07,237
GOOD MORNING.
WITH US THIS MORNING
IS DR. HERBERT TERRACE,
1023
01:05:07,271 --> 01:05:10,174
A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY
AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY.
1024
01:05:10,207 --> 01:05:13,944
FOR SEVERAL YEARS,
DR. TERRACE WAS IN CHARGE
OF AN EXPERIMENT
1025
01:05:13,978 --> 01:05:16,046
WHERE HE
AND SEVERAL OTHER
HUMAN BEINGS
1026
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,548
TRIED TO TEACH
A CHIMPANZEE NAMED NIM
1027
01:05:18,582 --> 01:05:19,716
THE SIGN LANGUAGE
OF THE DEAF.
1028
01:05:19,749 --> 01:05:23,988
BUT NOW
IN A BOOK JUST PUBLISHED,
WHICH IS CALLED "NIM,"
1029
01:05:24,021 --> 01:05:25,322
YOU'RE SAYING,
DR. TERRACE,
1030
01:05:25,355 --> 01:05:28,258
THAT THESE EXPERIMENTS
DON'T PROVE AS MUCH
1031
01:05:28,292 --> 01:05:30,327
AS YOU HAD ORIGINALLY
THOUGHT THEY DID?
1032
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,631
I CHANGED MY MIND
ABOUT THE DATA.
1033
01:05:39,569 --> 01:05:44,074
I SUDDENLY SAW WHAT
THE KEY TO THIS WAS.
1034
01:05:44,108 --> 01:05:47,577
NIM WAS
A BRILLIANT BEGGAR.
1035
01:05:47,611 --> 01:05:51,315
HE LEARNED HOW TO BEG.
1036
01:05:51,348 --> 01:05:54,051
AND HE COULD
WORK HIS TEACHERS
1037
01:05:54,084 --> 01:05:55,319
AND ALWAYS GET
WHAT HE WANTED
1038
01:05:55,352 --> 01:05:57,487
BY MOVING HIS HANDS
IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
1039
01:05:57,521 --> 01:06:01,358
AND MOST OF THE TIME,
HE MOVED HIS HANDS
IN THE WAYS
1040
01:06:01,391 --> 01:06:03,260
THAT THE TEACHER
SUGGESTED,
1041
01:06:03,293 --> 01:06:07,664
AND THE MOTIVE OF
SIGNING WAS NOT TO SAY,
1042
01:06:07,697 --> 01:06:11,101
"WHAT A NICE CAT
YOU HAVE OVER THERE,"
1043
01:06:11,135 --> 01:06:13,103
BUT "I WANT IT."
1044
01:06:13,137 --> 01:06:14,271
WHEN THE EXPERIMENTS
WERE OVER,
1045
01:06:14,304 --> 01:06:17,407
YOU RETURNED NIM
TO THE PRIMATE COLONY
WHERE HE WAS BORN.
1046
01:06:17,441 --> 01:06:19,776
AND A YEAR AFTER THAT,
YOU WENT BACK FOR A VISIT,
1047
01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:20,844
AND WE CAME ALONG
WITH A CAMERA.
1048
01:06:20,877 --> 01:06:25,515
YOU AND HE ARE TALKING
IN SIGN LANGUAGE HERE,
RIGHT?
1049
01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:26,316
RIGHT.
1050
01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:27,651
AND HERE WE HAVE IT
IN SLOW MOTION.
1051
01:06:27,684 --> 01:06:29,186
WHAT'S NIM SAYING?
1052
01:06:29,219 --> 01:06:32,789
HE'S SAYING,
"GIVE NIM BANANA."
1053
01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:35,659
WHY IS IT
THAT YOU'RE SAYING
1054
01:06:35,692 --> 01:06:37,461
THAT HE CAN'T SPEAK
LIKE A HUMAN BEING?
1055
01:06:37,494 --> 01:06:41,798
WELL, A STRING OF SIGNS
IS NOT NECESSARILY
A SENTENCE.
1056
01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:45,702
UH, YOU CAN LEARN
A LIST OF WORDS BY ROTE,
1057
01:06:45,735 --> 01:06:49,239
AND THAT SAYS NOTHING
ABOUT YOUR ABILITY
TO USE GRAMMAR.
1058
01:06:49,273 --> 01:06:50,274
AREN'T YOU
VERY DISAPPOINTED
1059
01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:53,043
THAT YOU SPENT
ALL THIS TIME
AND ALL THIS MONEY?
1060
01:06:53,077 --> 01:06:55,479
WELL, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
VERY ELECTRIFYING NEWS,
1061
01:06:55,512 --> 01:06:56,646
ALMOST LIKE
COMMUNICATING
1062
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,182
WITH A CREATURE
FROM OUTER SPACE,
1063
01:06:58,215 --> 01:07:01,585
IF I COULD SHOW
THAT ANOTHER ORGANISM
1064
01:07:01,618 --> 01:07:03,787
COULD USE LANGUAGE
THE WAY HUMANS HAVE.
1065
01:07:03,820 --> 01:07:05,589
BUT IT DIDN'T WORK?
IT DIDN'T WORK.
1066
01:07:05,622 --> 01:07:06,790
THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
DR. TERRACE.
1067
01:07:06,823 --> 01:07:11,461
Woman: I HOPE SOMEBODY
CAN STILL TALK TO NIM,
IN ANY EVENT.
1068
01:07:25,842 --> 01:07:28,845
Bob: I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT
THE LANGUAGE ARGUMENT
AFTER A WHILE.
1069
01:07:28,878 --> 01:07:31,748
IT DIDN'T MATTER TO ME.
1070
01:07:32,716 --> 01:07:34,584
HE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD
SENTENCES OR GRAMMAR,
1071
01:07:34,618 --> 01:07:38,488
BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION
THAT THERE WAS
COMMUNICATION GOING ON.
1072
01:07:38,522 --> 01:07:41,091
AND I SAW IT CLEARLY.
1073
01:07:47,664 --> 01:07:53,303
HE TALKED ABOUT THE TREES,
THE BERRIES THAT HE FOUND.
1074
01:07:56,773 --> 01:07:58,608
HE LIKED TO PLAY.
1075
01:07:58,642 --> 01:08:01,145
FAVORITE SIGN, "PLAY."
1076
01:08:01,178 --> 01:08:03,713
HEY.
[GRUNTING]
1077
01:08:06,516 --> 01:08:09,219
OH. [LAUGHING]
1078
01:08:09,753 --> 01:08:12,822
OH, HE CERTAINLY
DOESN'T KNOW
WHICH ONE TO GRAB.
1079
01:08:12,856 --> 01:08:15,625
[LAUGHTER]
1080
01:08:15,659 --> 01:08:20,297
HE KNEW WHAT POT WAS,
OR HASH, OR WHATEVER.
1081
01:08:21,398 --> 01:08:24,634
[CHUCKLES] AND HE WANTED
TO SMOKE A JOINT.
1082
01:08:24,668 --> 01:08:27,737
YEAH. I'M GOING
TO ERASE IT.
1083
01:08:28,672 --> 01:08:31,375
STONE.
1084
01:08:31,408 --> 01:08:33,177
SMOKE.
1085
01:08:33,210 --> 01:08:34,278
NOW.
1086
01:08:34,311 --> 01:08:37,347
WHEN WE WENT OUT ON WALKS
WITH NIM, NIM WAS ONE OF US.
1087
01:08:37,381 --> 01:08:39,783
AND IF WE SMOKED A JOINT,
HE SMOKED IT WITH US.
1088
01:08:39,816 --> 01:08:42,852
IN THE CIRCLE,
WE HANDED IT TO HIM.
1089
01:08:44,921 --> 01:08:47,324
CHIMPS ARE LIKE US.
THEY'RE HEDONISTIC.
1090
01:08:47,357 --> 01:08:48,725
THEY LIKE TO DO
PLEASURABLE THINGS.
1091
01:08:48,758 --> 01:08:49,826
THEY LIKE TO,
YOU KNOW--
1092
01:08:49,859 --> 01:08:54,431
THEY LIKE TO HAVE FUN,
AND, I MEAN, HELL,
WHO DOESN'T?
1093
01:08:58,902 --> 01:09:04,608
Alyce:
AND THERE'S SOMETHING
IN MARIJUANA THAT...
1094
01:09:04,641 --> 01:09:06,543
THEY WEREN'T AGGRESSIVE.
1095
01:09:06,576 --> 01:09:07,811
YOU TALK LESS.
1096
01:09:07,844 --> 01:09:09,746
YOU DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
1097
01:09:09,779 --> 01:09:12,449
YOU ENJOY EACH OTHER.
1098
01:09:14,284 --> 01:09:16,953
Bob: LILY AND NIM
1099
01:09:16,986 --> 01:09:21,157
LIVED TOGETHER
IN THE PIG BARN.
1100
01:09:22,426 --> 01:09:25,362
Alyce: BOTH OF THEM
DIDN'T HAVE MANY
CHIMP FRIENDS.
1101
01:09:25,395 --> 01:09:29,299
AND THEN
THEY BECAME FRIENDS.
1102
01:09:29,333 --> 01:09:32,336
[CHIMPS CHATTERING
AND GRUNTING]
1103
01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:37,641
THEY WERE SEEN
COPULATING.
1104
01:09:37,674 --> 01:09:39,543
AND WE THINK
NIM MIGHT HAVE BEEN
1105
01:09:39,576 --> 01:09:42,646
THE FATHER
OF LILY'S BABY.
1106
01:09:55,592 --> 01:09:58,395
I HAD THE BEST TIME
OF MY LIFE.
I STILL SAY THAT.
1107
01:09:58,428 --> 01:09:59,929
I'VE NEVER HAD
SUCH A GOOD TIME,
1108
01:09:59,963 --> 01:10:02,332
EXCEPT MAYBE
AT A GRATEFUL DEAD SHOW.
1109
01:10:02,366 --> 01:10:03,933
[CHUCKLES]
PRETTY CLOSE.
1110
01:10:03,967 --> 01:10:05,802
I DON'T EVEN KNOW
WHICH ONE I--
1111
01:10:05,835 --> 01:10:07,237
ACTUALLY,
BEING WITH NIM--
1112
01:10:07,271 --> 01:10:08,705
I'D RATHER BE WITH NIM
THAN JERRY,
1113
01:10:08,738 --> 01:10:12,676
AND THAT'S--FOR ME,
THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.
1114
01:10:15,379 --> 01:10:17,414
THAT'S REAL--
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
1115
01:10:17,447 --> 01:10:19,883
THAT'S A BANANA?
[SQUEAKS]
1116
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:22,719
YOU WANT TO EAT
THE SHOE?
GO FOR IT.
1117
01:10:22,752 --> 01:10:24,288
[CHUCKLES]
1118
01:10:24,321 --> 01:10:27,223
THAT'S A SHOE,
THIS IS A BERRY.
1119
01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:42,839
AND THAT'S WHEN
MAHONEY STARTED SHOWING UP.
1120
01:10:43,940 --> 01:10:47,277
HE WAS STANDING AROUND
LOOKING AT CHIMPS
1121
01:10:47,311 --> 01:10:49,679
AND WRITING IN HIS PAD
AND WHATEVER,
1122
01:10:49,713 --> 01:10:52,048
AND WHEN SOMEONE--
1123
01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,216
WHEN I FOUND OUT
WHO HE WAS--
1124
01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:56,052
AND I'M SURE
IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG
FOR ME TO FIGURE IT OUT,
1125
01:10:56,085 --> 01:10:57,186
I WAS--OOH.
1126
01:10:57,220 --> 01:11:00,724
OBVIOUSLY,
HE WAS CHECKING OUT
THE CHIMPS FOR THE LAB.
1127
01:11:00,757 --> 01:11:03,793
LEMSIP IS BEST KNOWN
BY ITS ACRONYM,
1128
01:11:03,827 --> 01:11:05,529
L-E-M-S-I-P,
WHICH IS
1129
01:11:05,562 --> 01:11:07,931
"LABORATORY FOR
EXPERIMENTAL
MEDICINE
1130
01:11:07,964 --> 01:11:10,066
AND SURGERY
IN PRIMATES."
1131
01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:13,937
HE REPRESENTED
THE DEVIL TO ME.
1132
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:17,073
MOST OF THE WORK
THAT WE DID WITH
THE CHIMPANZEES,
1133
01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:21,044
FOR EXAMPLE,
WAS, UM,
1134
01:11:21,077 --> 01:11:25,815
TESTING VARIOUS
CANDIDATE VACCINES
1135
01:11:25,849 --> 01:11:28,418
FOR, LIKE,
HEPATITIS B,
1136
01:11:28,452 --> 01:11:31,621
HEPATITIS C,
HIV, AIDS.
1137
01:11:31,655 --> 01:11:34,391
I THINK
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT
1138
01:11:34,424 --> 01:11:38,328
TO FUND
THE KINDS OF RESEARCH
1139
01:11:38,362 --> 01:11:39,996
THAT I HAPPEN TO BE
VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN.
1140
01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:45,001
IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT
TO FUND SOCIAL RESEARCH
IN GENERAL.
1141
01:11:45,602 --> 01:11:49,406
Dr. James Mahoney:
WE HEARD ABOUT
DR. LEMMON'S PROBLEMS,
1142
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,509
WHICH WERE FINANCIAL.
1143
01:11:52,742 --> 01:11:54,444
IT WAS FINALLY ARRANGED
THAT, YES,
1144
01:11:54,478 --> 01:11:59,015
WE WOULD TAKE
A VERY LARGE PART
OF THEIR COLONY.
1145
01:12:00,917 --> 01:12:04,588
I THOUGHT LEMMON
WAS TRYING TO SCARE
THE UNIVERSITY.
1146
01:12:04,621 --> 01:12:05,889
I THOUGHT THEY WOULD--
1147
01:12:05,922 --> 01:12:09,025
THEY WOULD GO, "OH, GOSH,
YOU CAN'T SELL THEM
TO A MEDICAL LAB.
1148
01:12:09,058 --> 01:12:10,460
WE'VE GOT TO DO
SOMETHING."
1149
01:12:10,494 --> 01:12:12,762
I THOUGHT THE COMMUNITY
WOULD RISE ITSELF UP.
1150
01:12:12,796 --> 01:12:16,032
BOB AND I TRIED SO HARD
WITH PUBLIC APPEAL
1151
01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:18,435
FOR SOMETHING
FOR THE CHIMPS,
1152
01:12:18,468 --> 01:12:21,505
AND THERE WAS
NO RESPONSE.
1153
01:12:21,538 --> 01:12:23,907
AND THEN
SHORTLY AFTER THAT,
1154
01:12:23,940 --> 01:12:26,075
THE CHIMPS WERE
INDEED SOLD.
1155
01:12:26,109 --> 01:12:28,878
[CHIMPS SCREECHING]
1156
01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:35,852
Interviewer: OF THE CHIMPS
THAT ARE BEING SENT OFF
1157
01:12:35,885 --> 01:12:36,986
TO THE LAB TODAY,
1158
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:39,756
HOW MANY OF THEM
WERE SUBJECTS OF
THE SIGNING RESEARCH?
1159
01:12:39,789 --> 01:12:45,995
ONLY ONE WAS RESTRICTED
TO SIGNING RESEARCH.
1160
01:12:46,029 --> 01:12:47,931
THIS IS NIM.
1161
01:12:50,534 --> 01:12:52,769
[METAL CLANGS]
1162
01:12:54,804 --> 01:12:56,873
James: AS A CHIMP,
YOU'VE GOT NO WAY OF KNOWING
1163
01:12:56,906 --> 01:12:58,107
WHAT'S HAPPENING TO YOU.
1164
01:12:58,141 --> 01:13:02,412
YOU'RE JUST SUDDENLY
CUT OFF FROM SEEING
EVERYTHING OUTSIDE.
1165
01:13:02,912 --> 01:13:06,916
SUDDENLY,
AFTER A DAY AND A HALF
OF CONSTANT DRIVING,
1166
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:11,888
YOU GET OUT THE OTHER END
AND YOU'RE IN ANOTHER
SORT OF ROOM.
1167
01:13:13,823 --> 01:13:15,992
[WIND HOWLS]
1168
01:13:18,828 --> 01:13:21,798
[CHIMPS GRUNTING
AND SCREECHING]
1169
01:13:29,005 --> 01:13:34,544
James: I WOULDN'T SAY
THEY WERE JUMPING WITH JOY
1170
01:13:34,578 --> 01:13:36,813
TO FIND THEMSELVES
IN A NEW PLACE.
1171
01:13:36,846 --> 01:13:39,583
[GRUNTING CONTINUES]
1172
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:48,224
COME ON.
COME HERE.
1173
01:13:48,257 --> 01:13:50,560
COME ON.
ONE MORE TIME.
1174
01:13:50,594 --> 01:13:52,529
ONE MORE TIME.
COME HERE.
1175
01:13:52,562 --> 01:13:54,698
[SCREECHING]
1176
01:13:54,731 --> 01:13:55,499
COME HERE.
1177
01:13:55,532 --> 01:13:57,734
DON'T--
IT'S ALL RIGHT.
IT'S OVER.
1178
01:13:57,767 --> 01:14:00,103
[SCREECHES]
IT'S ALL OVER.
1179
01:14:00,136 --> 01:14:00,870
IT'S ALL OVER.
1180
01:14:00,904 --> 01:14:02,506
I TOOK ON THE ROLE
OF BEING THE ONE
1181
01:14:02,539 --> 01:14:06,209
WHO CHOSE
WHICH ANIMALS WOULD GO
1182
01:14:06,242 --> 01:14:09,145
INTO WHICH TYPES
OF STUDY.
1183
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:11,781
AND I HATED IT.
1184
01:14:11,815 --> 01:14:13,082
SPIKE. SPIKE.
1185
01:14:13,116 --> 01:14:14,518
COME OVER HERE,
SPIKE.
1186
01:14:14,551 --> 01:14:15,985
SPIKE,
COME ON OVER HERE.
1187
01:14:16,019 --> 01:14:17,854
COME ON.
[CHATTERS]
1188
01:14:17,887 --> 01:14:20,557
[INDISTINCT]
1189
01:14:22,526 --> 01:14:25,061
YOU WANT TO GO AWAY
WITH SPIKE? [INDISTINCT]
1190
01:14:25,094 --> 01:14:30,867
THESE ANIMALS WILL
BE USED ON HEPATITIS
VACCINE SAFETY TESTS.
1191
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:34,938
IT IS A FEDERAL LAW
THAT BEFORE A BA--
1192
01:14:34,971 --> 01:14:38,642
A NEW BATCH OF VACCINE
CAN BE RELEASED ON
THE AMERICAN MARKET,
1193
01:14:38,675 --> 01:14:41,811
IT MUST BE TESTED
IN 4 CHIMPANZEES.
1194
01:14:41,845 --> 01:14:44,881
THERE'S NO WAY--
IN ALL HONESTY,
1195
01:14:44,914 --> 01:14:49,085
THERE'S NO WAY
YOU CAN CARRY OUT
RESEARCH ON ANIMALS
1196
01:14:49,118 --> 01:14:50,754
AND FOR IT
TO BE HUMANE.
1197
01:14:50,787 --> 01:14:56,125
IT CAN'T BE HUMANE
BECAUSE YOU ALREADY
PUT THEM IN A CAGE.
1198
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:58,161
THAT WAS ALREADY
THE FIRST STEP,
1199
01:14:58,194 --> 01:15:00,897
AND FROM THERE ON,
IT'S DOWNHILL.
1200
01:15:00,930 --> 01:15:03,567
[SCREECHING]
1201
01:15:05,935 --> 01:15:07,003
[INDISTINCT TALKING]
1202
01:15:07,036 --> 01:15:10,674
James:
WE REALIZED THAT CERTAIN
OF THE OKLAHOMA CHIMPS
1203
01:15:10,707 --> 01:15:12,175
COULD USE SIGN LANGUAGE
1204
01:15:12,208 --> 01:15:14,878
AND WERE TRYING
TO SIGN WITH US.
1205
01:15:14,911 --> 01:15:18,982
WHAT WE DID WAS,
WE WROTE DOWN
ON SHEETS OF PAPER,
1206
01:15:19,015 --> 01:15:20,917
WHICH WE POSTED
ALL OVER THE PLACE--
1207
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:25,021
ON DOORS AND WALLS
AND EVERYWHERE
WE COULD FIND--
1208
01:15:25,054 --> 01:15:27,056
OF CERTAIN SIGNS,
1209
01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:30,326
AND IT WAS HOPED THAT,
AS TIME WENT BY,
1210
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:31,961
EVERYONE WOULD PICK UP
1211
01:15:31,995 --> 01:15:36,265
AT LEAST A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF SIGN LANGUAGE.
1212
01:15:38,067 --> 01:15:40,837
[INDISTINCT TALKING]
1213
01:15:41,671 --> 01:15:44,173
I DIDN'T SEE...
1214
01:15:44,207 --> 01:15:48,077
NIM AS SPECIAL ABOVE
ANYONE ELSE IN THE GROUP,
1215
01:15:48,111 --> 01:15:53,116
BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL GOING
THROUGH THE SAME THING.
1216
01:15:55,785 --> 01:15:58,554
[INDISTINCT TALKING]
1217
01:16:23,112 --> 01:16:26,916
Bob: I MADE A BIG,
BIG STINK ABOUT IT,
1218
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:28,985
IN EVERY WAY I COULD.
1219
01:16:29,018 --> 01:16:30,019
I CALLED THE PRESS.
1220
01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:34,290
WE BITCHED
AS MUCH AS WE COULD.
1221
01:16:43,132 --> 01:16:45,401
James: THE STUDENT
BOB INGERSOLL,
1222
01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:49,005
HE USED TO HOUND ME
EVERY CHANCE HE GOT.
1223
01:16:49,038 --> 01:16:52,208
AND I WOULD START
TO GET REALLY ANNOYED,
1224
01:16:52,241 --> 01:16:53,777
AND THEN
IT DAWNED ON ME
1225
01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:58,047
THAT HE WAS
THE ONLY ONE WHO CARED.
1226
01:16:58,081 --> 01:16:59,415
NOBODY,
1227
01:16:59,448 --> 01:17:02,318
NOBODY, EXCEPT THE PRESS,
HELPED US.
1228
01:17:02,351 --> 01:17:04,754
IS THERE
ANYTHING THAT YOU
WOULD CONSIDER DOING
1229
01:17:04,788 --> 01:17:06,723
TO PREVENT
WHAT IS GOING TO
HAPPEN TO HIM?
1230
01:17:06,756 --> 01:17:10,359
UNFORTUNATELY,
THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO
1231
01:17:10,393 --> 01:17:12,996
BECAUSE, LEGALLY,
NIM IS NOT MINE.
1232
01:17:13,029 --> 01:17:17,433
NIM WAS LOANED TO ME FOR
THE DURATION OF MY PROJECT.
1233
01:17:17,466 --> 01:17:19,836
THAT PROJECT
RAN OUT OF FUNDS--
1234
01:17:19,869 --> 01:17:23,239
[TELEPHONE RINGS]
1235
01:17:23,272 --> 01:17:25,441
[RING]
1236
01:17:25,474 --> 01:17:28,444
SOMEBODY AT
THE "BOSTON GLOBE" TOLD ME
1237
01:17:28,477 --> 01:17:31,280
TO READ A FRONT PAGE STORY
ON THAT DAY.
1238
01:17:31,314 --> 01:17:34,183
AND HE SAID,
"I THINK YOU'D BE
INTERESTED,
1239
01:17:34,217 --> 01:17:37,253
AND I KNOW YOU TAKE
UNUSUAL CASES."
1240
01:17:39,122 --> 01:17:40,857
AS A HUMAN BEING,
I THOUGHT IT WAS
1241
01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:44,327
A KIND OF ESOTERIC,
UNIQUE FORM
OF ANIMAL CRUELTY--
1242
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,896
ALL THE WORSE FOR THAT--
AND AS A LAWYER,
1243
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:49,265
I THOUGHT IT WAS
JUST PLAIN ILLEGAL
1244
01:17:49,298 --> 01:17:51,200
IF THE FACTS ARE
AS I'M BEING TOLD,
1245
01:17:51,234 --> 01:17:56,372
THAT THIS YOUNG CHIMP WAS
BROUGHT UP FROM INFANCY
IN A HUMAN FAMILY.
1246
01:17:56,405 --> 01:17:59,275
YOU CAN'T STICK HIM
INTO A LITTLE CAGE
1247
01:17:59,308 --> 01:18:01,177
IN SOME HORRIBLE
MEDICAL LAB
1248
01:18:01,210 --> 01:18:02,879
AND USE HIM
FOR MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS.
1249
01:18:02,912 --> 01:18:05,248
IT'S PER SE
ANIMAL CRUELTY.
1250
01:18:05,281 --> 01:18:06,415
[CHIMP CHATTERING]
1251
01:18:06,449 --> 01:18:08,952
EARLY ON I DECIDED THIS--
1252
01:18:08,985 --> 01:18:12,956
IF THIS ANIMAL HAS BEEN
DELIBERATELY BROUGHT UP
1253
01:18:12,989 --> 01:18:17,360
FROM INFANTHOOD
TO THINK OF HIMSELF
AS HUMAN,
1254
01:18:17,393 --> 01:18:19,228
THEN IF I'M GOING
TO REPRESENT HIM,
1255
01:18:19,262 --> 01:18:21,965
I HAVE TO TREAT HIM
LIKE A HUMAN CLIENT,
1256
01:18:21,998 --> 01:18:25,134
GIVE HIM
HIS DAY IN COURT.
1257
01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:28,504
Bob: HENRY AND I--
THAT'S MR. HERRMANN--
1258
01:18:28,537 --> 01:18:33,109
WERE IN COMMUNICATION
PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.
1259
01:18:33,142 --> 01:18:35,144
HE USED A REALLY COOL
STRATEGY, ACTUALLY.
1260
01:18:35,178 --> 01:18:38,181
HE SAID, "HEY,
THIS CHIMP CAN SPEAK
FOR HIMSELF.
1261
01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:40,283
LET'S BRING HIM INTO COURT
AND LET HIM TALK."
1262
01:18:40,316 --> 01:18:42,518
WHAT I HAD READY
AS A TRIAL EXHIBIT
1263
01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:46,856
WAS A STEEL CAGE AND
A COUPLE OF STRONG GUYS
1264
01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:48,958
WITH A POLE READY
TO CARRY IT INTO COURT,
1265
01:18:48,992 --> 01:18:51,795
AND I WAS GOING TO GET
NIM TO GO INTO A FRENZY
1266
01:18:51,828 --> 01:18:53,930
AND SIGNAL,
"OUT, OUT, OUT."
1267
01:18:53,963 --> 01:18:56,165
AND I BELIEVE
THE JUDGE SAID
1268
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:57,200
SOMETHING
TO THE EFFECT THAT,
1269
01:18:57,233 --> 01:19:00,003
"I'M NOT LETTING
A FUCKING CHIMPANZEE
COME IN HERE
1270
01:19:00,036 --> 01:19:02,939
AND--AND MAKE A MOCKERY
OF MY COURTROOM,"
1271
01:19:02,972 --> 01:19:03,840
OR SOMETHING
TO THAT EFFECT.
1272
01:19:03,873 --> 01:19:05,541
AND THAT'S WHEN I SAID
"I'M GOING TO BRING,
1273
01:19:05,574 --> 01:19:07,376
IN EFFECT,
A HABEAS CORPUS PETITION
1274
01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:10,847
ON BEHALF OF A CHIMP.
BRING HIM TO COURT.
1275
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:18,487
OUR OPPONENTS
WERE PIG-HEADED,
BUT THEY WEREN'T STUPID.
1276
01:19:18,521 --> 01:19:21,290
THEY REALIZED THAT
WIN, LOSE, OR DRAW,
1277
01:19:21,324 --> 01:19:23,192
ONCE I GOT INTO COURT,
THEY'D BE LOSING,
1278
01:19:23,226 --> 01:19:25,995
BECAUSE EVEN IF
THE JUDGE REFUSED
TO HEAR HIM,
1279
01:19:26,029 --> 01:19:29,332
THE MEDIA ATTENTION
WOULD HAVE BEEN
DEVASTATING.
1280
01:19:29,365 --> 01:19:32,168
AND THE DEAN OF
THE MEDICAL FACULTY
SAID,
1281
01:19:32,201 --> 01:19:36,005
"THAT'S IT.
GET THAT CHIMP
OUT OF HERE."
1282
01:19:42,078 --> 01:19:44,413
BEFORE ANYTHING
COULD HAPPEN,
1283
01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:50,186
SWOOPING DOWN LIKE
IN SOME WAGNERIAN DRAMA,
1284
01:19:50,219 --> 01:19:52,388
COMES CLEVELAND AMORY.
1285
01:19:52,421 --> 01:19:55,124
[BRAYING]
1286
01:19:57,026 --> 01:19:58,327
I WANT THIS
TO BE A PLACE
1287
01:19:58,361 --> 01:20:01,530
WHERE THOSE ANIMALS
THAT HAVE BEEN ABUSED,
1288
01:20:01,564 --> 01:20:06,569
THAT HAVE BEEN MISUSED,
WILL FINALLY AND FOREVER
1289
01:20:06,602 --> 01:20:12,108
HAVE A PLACE
THAT THEY NEVER
WILL HAVE TO FEAR AGAIN.
1290
01:20:13,276 --> 01:20:16,846
Henry Herrmann:
MR. AMORY HAD
UP UNTIL THEN
1291
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,347
PERHAPS
A WELL-DESERVED
REPUTATION
1292
01:20:18,381 --> 01:20:22,018
FOR DOING IMPORTANT WORK
FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS.
1293
01:20:22,051 --> 01:20:24,453
AND HE JUST WENT
AND BUYS THE CHIMP,
1294
01:20:24,487 --> 01:20:26,890
TAKES HIM TO
HIS BLACK HORSE RANCH,
1295
01:20:26,923 --> 01:20:28,858
OR WHATEVER
IT WAS CALLED,
1296
01:20:28,892 --> 01:20:31,227
AND SAYS,
"I AM SAVING NIM."
1297
01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:32,962
Interviewer: CLEVELAND AMORY
TO THE RESCUE AGAIN.
1298
01:20:32,996 --> 01:20:37,533
NIM WILL LIVE HERE
FOR THE REST OF
HIS NATURAL LIFE.
1299
01:20:39,202 --> 01:20:40,636
Woman:
"HERE MY STORY ENDS.
1300
01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:43,339
MY TROUBLES ARE OVER,
AND I AM AT HOME."
1301
01:20:43,372 --> 01:20:49,112
AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS
AS YOU DRIVE INTO
BLACK BEAUTY RANCH.
1302
01:20:49,145 --> 01:20:50,613
HE WAS THE ONLY ANIMAL
WE EVER BOUGHT,
1303
01:20:50,646 --> 01:20:54,117
AND WE DIDN'T KNOW
A THING ABOUT CHIMPANZEES,
1304
01:20:54,150 --> 01:20:55,518
BUT WE JUST THOUGHT
IT WAS BETTER--
1305
01:20:55,551 --> 01:20:58,587
WHAT WE COULD DO WAS BETTER
THAN WHERE HE WAS.
1306
01:20:58,621 --> 01:21:00,623
[BIRDS SINGING]
1307
01:21:00,656 --> 01:21:04,293
IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE
A HOME FOR CAGED ANIMALS.
1308
01:21:04,327 --> 01:21:05,528
[HORSES NICKER
AND SNORT]
1309
01:21:05,561 --> 01:21:09,532
IT IS REALLY A HOME
FOR ABUSED AND ABANDONED
EQUINE ANIMALS.
1310
01:21:09,565 --> 01:21:12,435
THAT'S ANIMALS
JUST WITH HOOVES.
1311
01:21:16,505 --> 01:21:21,110
Bob: WE WERE AGHAST
THAT HE WOULD JUST
PICK UP THIS CHIMP,
1312
01:21:21,144 --> 01:21:23,012
TRANSPORT HIM
TO A HORSE RANCH
1313
01:21:23,046 --> 01:21:25,548
SOMEWHERE
IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE,
1314
01:21:25,581 --> 01:21:27,283
AND THERE WAS
NOBODY THERE
1315
01:21:27,316 --> 01:21:30,353
WHO KNEW HOW
TO TAKE CARE OF A CHIMP.
1316
01:21:31,454 --> 01:21:33,556
Marion Probst:
WE BROUGHT HIM
TO BLACK BEAUTY
1317
01:21:33,589 --> 01:21:36,359
AND BUILT
A HOUSE FOR HIM.
1318
01:21:37,193 --> 01:21:39,428
IT WAS A BIG,
KIND OF A SQUARE PLACE,
1319
01:21:39,462 --> 01:21:41,697
AND IT HAD
A PORCH OUTSIDE SO THAT
HE COULD GO OUTSIDE.
1320
01:21:41,730 --> 01:21:46,669
AND HE HAD ALL SORTS
OF TOYS TO PLAY WITH,
BUT IT WAS SOLITARY.
1321
01:21:58,481 --> 01:22:00,083
CHIMPS ARE
SOCIAL ANIMALS,
1322
01:22:00,116 --> 01:22:03,086
AND YOU CAN'T JUST PUT
ONE CHIMP IN A BOX
1323
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:06,322
AND EXPECT EVERYTHING
TO BE COOL.
1324
01:22:13,262 --> 01:22:17,333
SOME OF THE TIME,
HE WAS SITTING LIKE THIS
IN THE CORNER,
1325
01:22:17,366 --> 01:22:19,302
AND YOU JUST THOUGHT,
"WHAT IS HE THINKING?
1326
01:22:19,335 --> 01:22:20,636
WHAT IS HE MISSING?
WHAT CAN WE DO?"
1327
01:22:20,669 --> 01:22:24,640
WILL YOU PLEASE BE SURE
TO STOP OFF HERE IN
THE NATION'S CAPITAL?
1328
01:22:24,673 --> 01:22:25,541
[CROWD CHEERS]
1329
01:22:25,574 --> 01:22:28,177
WE HAD A TV DOWN,
AND THEN HE BROKE THAT.
1330
01:22:28,211 --> 01:22:30,179
AND THEN WE PUT ONE
UP IN THE CEILING.
1331
01:22:30,213 --> 01:22:32,648
[CHUCKLES] AND HE FOUND
A WAY TO GET UP THERE.
1332
01:22:32,681 --> 01:22:33,482
[GRUNTS]
1333
01:22:33,516 --> 01:22:34,450
WELL, OK,
YOU DON'T GET
A TELEVISION
1334
01:22:34,483 --> 01:22:37,720
IF THAT'S GOING TO BE
YOUR ATTITUDE.
[LAUGHS]
1335
01:22:40,256 --> 01:22:42,191
Bob: I WROTE LETTERS
TO CLEVELAND,
1336
01:22:42,225 --> 01:22:44,193
BITCHING AT HIM
ABOUT HOW
1337
01:22:44,227 --> 01:22:48,998
LEAVING NIM THERE ALONE
WAS VIRTUALLY TORTURE.
1338
01:22:57,673 --> 01:22:59,775
NOT ONLY DID THEY
NOT CARE WHAT I THOUGHT,
1339
01:22:59,808 --> 01:23:03,379
THEY WANTED ME
AS FAR AWAY FROM THEM
AS POSSIBLE.
1340
01:23:03,412 --> 01:23:06,415
AND THEY WANTED
TO MAKE THAT PRETTY CLEAR.
1341
01:23:06,449 --> 01:23:08,117
AND THEY DID MAKE THAT
PRETTY CLEAR.
1342
01:23:08,151 --> 01:23:11,687
YOU KNOW,
"IF YOU COME HERE,
YOU'LL BE ARRESTED."
1343
01:23:26,302 --> 01:23:29,538
I--I...I FELT IT,
YOU KNOW,
1344
01:23:29,572 --> 01:23:31,207
AND I JUST WANTED TO--
1345
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,510
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I--
1346
01:23:49,092 --> 01:23:52,328
Marion: HE GOT OUT
A NUMBER OF TIMES.
1347
01:23:52,361 --> 01:23:56,165
WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WAS
GO IN THE RANCH HOUSE.
1348
01:23:56,199 --> 01:23:59,402
BE IN THE RANCH HOUSE,
BE WITH PEOPLE,
1349
01:23:59,435 --> 01:24:01,370
SLEEP IN A BED.
1350
01:24:01,404 --> 01:24:02,705
WELL, WE HAD A BED
FOR HIM IN HIS HOUSE,
1351
01:24:02,738 --> 01:24:05,241
BUT HE NEVER SLEPT IN
THE BED IN HIS HOUSE.
1352
01:24:05,274 --> 01:24:07,176
[BARKING]
1353
01:24:07,210 --> 01:24:09,278
ONE TIME WHEN HE CAME
IN THE HOUSE,
1354
01:24:09,312 --> 01:24:11,080
THERE WAS
A LITTLE WHITE POODLE.
1355
01:24:11,114 --> 01:24:12,248
THING THAT JUST BARKED
AND BARKED AND BARKED
1356
01:24:12,281 --> 01:24:15,184
AT THIS CHIMPANZEE
COMING THROUGH THE DOOR.
1357
01:24:15,218 --> 01:24:17,553
HE JUST PICKED IT UP
AND SWUNG HIM
AGAINST THE WALL.
1358
01:24:17,586 --> 01:24:19,822
HE MEANT TO SHUT
THE DOG UP.
1359
01:24:19,855 --> 01:24:20,856
BUT, OF COURSE,
HE KILLED THE DOG.
1360
01:24:20,889 --> 01:24:23,292
THERE WAS ANOTHER TIME
WHEN HE WENT IN
THE HOUSE
1361
01:24:23,326 --> 01:24:26,529
AND HE PICKED UP A CHAIR
AND THREW IT THROUGH
THE WINDOW.
1362
01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:37,206
THIS--THIS IS
A VERY MISERABLE
CHIMPANZEE, YOU KNOW.
1363
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:38,841
HE'D HAD
SUCH A CHECKERED LIFE.
1364
01:24:38,874 --> 01:24:43,446
HE'D GONE FROM HERE,
TO HERE, TO HERE,
TO HERE, TO HERE.
1365
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:44,813
THEY SHOULD BE LEFT--
1366
01:24:44,847 --> 01:24:47,850
THEY SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN
AWAY FROM THEIR MOTHERS
IN THE FIRST PLACE.
1367
01:24:47,883 --> 01:24:50,286
[METAL BANGS]
1368
01:24:52,555 --> 01:24:54,190
[BIRDS CHIRPING]
1369
01:24:54,223 --> 01:24:56,392
[CROW CAWS]
1370
01:24:56,425 --> 01:24:58,594
[HORSE WHINNIES]
1371
01:24:58,627 --> 01:24:59,795
Stephanie: I KNEW
THAT NIM WAS THERE.
1372
01:24:59,828 --> 01:25:03,299
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT THE QUALITY OF
HIS LIFE THERE.
1373
01:25:03,332 --> 01:25:06,669
YOU HEARD GOOD THINGS
AND BAD THINGS
AND SO ON,
1374
01:25:06,702 --> 01:25:09,638
AND I THOUGHT,
WHY NOT GO?
1375
01:25:11,274 --> 01:25:13,176
Jenny:
SO WE ALL FLEW OUT
TO TEXAS.
1376
01:25:13,209 --> 01:25:16,912
WE GO TO THE RANCH,
WE MEET THE PEOPLE
TAKING CARE OF HIM.
1377
01:25:16,945 --> 01:25:21,317
HE WAS ALONE.
HE WAS THE ONLY CHIMP THERE.
1378
01:25:26,922 --> 01:25:28,691
I HAPPENED TO BE
LOOKING AT HIM
1379
01:25:28,724 --> 01:25:30,426
WHEN STEPHANIE GOT
OUT OF THE CAR,
1380
01:25:30,459 --> 01:25:34,297
AND HE SAW HER,
AND HE RECOGNIZED HER
RIGHT AWAY.
1381
01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:36,699
AND THE LOOK ON HIS FACE
WAS JUST,
1382
01:25:36,732 --> 01:25:37,700
"OH, NOW YOU COME.
1383
01:25:37,733 --> 01:25:40,569
"NOW YOU COME.
NOW I'VE BEEN
THROUGH ALL THIS,
1384
01:25:40,603 --> 01:25:42,738
AND NOW YOU COME."
1385
01:25:45,974 --> 01:25:47,876
HE DEFINITELY
RECOGNIZED US.
1386
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:52,748
WHETHER HE WAS HAPPY
TO SEE US,
I DON'T KNOW.
1387
01:25:52,781 --> 01:25:54,817
[BARKS]
1388
01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:58,287
Stephanie:
HE WASN'T PARTICULARLY
ATTRACTIVE TO ME
1389
01:25:58,321 --> 01:25:59,722
NOW THAT HE WAS
AN ADULT CHIMPANZEE.
1390
01:25:59,755 --> 01:26:02,825
I DIDN'T HAVE
A--A, "OH, ISN'T HE BEAUTIFUL,"
1391
01:26:02,858 --> 01:26:03,592
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
1392
01:26:03,626 --> 01:26:06,762
HE WAS--HE WAS--
I DIDN'T KNOW HIM.
1393
01:26:06,795 --> 01:26:08,664
[GRUNTS]
1394
01:26:08,697 --> 01:26:10,433
Jenny:
MY MOTHER DECIDES THAT
1395
01:26:10,466 --> 01:26:13,669
SHE WANTS TO GO INTO
THE ENCLOSURE WITH NIM,
1396
01:26:13,702 --> 01:26:15,838
WHICH DIDN'T--
1397
01:26:15,871 --> 01:26:19,342
WHICH HAPPENED SORT OF,
"I'M GOING TO GO IN
WITH NIM."
1398
01:26:19,375 --> 01:26:20,643
[GRUNTING]
1399
01:26:20,676 --> 01:26:23,579
WE SAID TO HER,
"HE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE
HE'S GOING TO WELCOME YOU,
1400
01:26:23,612 --> 01:26:26,315
SO MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T GO
INTO HIS FACILITY."
1401
01:26:26,349 --> 01:26:27,583
[GRUNTS]
[METAL RATTLES]
1402
01:26:27,616 --> 01:26:29,218
I WAS CURIOUS.
IS HE GOING TO SIGN?
1403
01:26:29,252 --> 01:26:31,287
IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN,
WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE LIKE?
1404
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,556
[LAUGHS] STEPHANIE,
PLEASE DON'T GO IN THERE.
1405
01:26:33,589 --> 01:26:35,791
HE'S NOT IN A GOOD MOOD.
YOU KNOW?
1406
01:26:35,824 --> 01:26:38,327
YOU CAN TELL
HE'S NOT IN A GOOD MOOD.
1407
01:26:38,361 --> 01:26:40,796
[GRUNTING]
1408
01:26:40,829 --> 01:26:43,499
OPENED THE GATE
AND WALKED IN.
1409
01:26:43,532 --> 01:26:47,470
NIM WENT UP TO THE, LIKE,
FIRST-AND-A-HALF STORY.
1410
01:26:47,503 --> 01:26:49,972
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
PRETTY HIGH UP.
1411
01:26:50,005 --> 01:26:53,776
AND I REALIZED
HOW MUCH DANGER I WAS IN.
1412
01:26:53,809 --> 01:26:56,712
[GRUNTING]
1413
01:26:57,446 --> 01:26:58,381
[HOOTS]
1414
01:26:58,414 --> 01:27:00,583
HE CAME DOWN,
1415
01:27:00,616 --> 01:27:03,352
AND THEN
IT WAS A BLUR.
1416
01:27:03,386 --> 01:27:04,553
[HOOTS]
1417
01:27:04,587 --> 01:27:06,255
HE GRABBED HER
BY THE ANKLE
1418
01:27:06,289 --> 01:27:07,290
AND HE STARTS
DRAGGING HER,
1419
01:27:07,323 --> 01:27:09,758
RUNNING BACK AND FORTH
LITERALLY LIKE
A RAG DOLL,
1420
01:27:09,792 --> 01:27:11,360
JUST PULLING HER
BACK AND FORTH.
1421
01:27:11,394 --> 01:27:12,861
I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING
TO KILL HER,
1422
01:27:12,895 --> 01:27:14,497
THAT HE WAS GOING TO
SWING HER AGAINST THE WALL
1423
01:27:14,530 --> 01:27:15,798
AND THEN SWING HER
AGAINST THE WALL AGAIN.
1424
01:27:15,831 --> 01:27:18,301
THERE WAS NOTHING LOVING
ABOUT IT. HE WAS FURIOUS.
1425
01:27:18,334 --> 01:27:21,270
[GRUNTING]
1426
01:27:21,537 --> 01:27:23,339
I REMEMBER THERE BEING
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
1427
01:27:23,372 --> 01:27:26,909
GETTING THE GUN OR NOT
GETTING THE GUN, YEAH.
1428
01:27:26,942 --> 01:27:29,978
SO THEY GOT A GUN.
1429
01:27:34,683 --> 01:27:36,385
NO, HE'S NOT GOING
TO KILL HER.
1430
01:27:36,419 --> 01:27:38,754
HE'S JUST
REALLY PISSED OFF.
1431
01:27:38,787 --> 01:27:39,722
[GRUNTS]
1432
01:27:39,755 --> 01:27:42,891
THINGS DISSIPATE,
AND HE SORT OF WANDERED OFF,
1433
01:27:42,925 --> 01:27:44,560
AND I WAS ABLE TO
GET OUT A DOOR.
1434
01:27:44,593 --> 01:27:49,031
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG
THE WHOLE THING LASTED.
1435
01:27:49,064 --> 01:27:53,402
THE FACT THAT
HE DIDN'T KILL HER
MEANT A LOT.
1436
01:27:53,436 --> 01:27:55,671
'CAUSE HE COULD HAVE.
1437
01:27:55,971 --> 01:27:57,072
AND HE
WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD,
1438
01:27:57,105 --> 01:27:59,908
'CAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE
SHOT HIM.
1439
01:28:02,878 --> 01:28:04,547
I HAD ABANDONED HIM,
1440
01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:07,483
AND HE HAD MANAGED
TO GROW UP,
1441
01:28:07,516 --> 01:28:09,352
AND I HAD WALKED BACK IN
1442
01:28:09,385 --> 01:28:11,820
AS IF
I HAD NOT ABANDONED HIM.
1443
01:28:11,854 --> 01:28:14,957
AND HE SAID "NO.
THIS IS MY SPACE.
1444
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:17,793
"I'M GOING TO PUT YOU
IN YOUR PLACE.
1445
01:28:17,826 --> 01:28:20,596
BUT I'M NOT GOING
TO HURT YOU."
1446
01:28:28,471 --> 01:28:30,973
WE HAD DONE
SO MUCH DAMAGE
1447
01:28:31,006 --> 01:28:35,444
REMOVING HIM FROM
WHAT HIS LIFE
SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
1448
01:28:35,478 --> 01:28:38,514
WE EXPLOITED
HIS HUMAN-LIKE NATURE
1449
01:28:38,547 --> 01:28:40,949
WITHOUT REGARD
TO HIS CHIMPANZEE NATURE.
1450
01:28:40,983 --> 01:28:44,953
WE WERE CO-OPTING HIM
RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.
1451
01:28:44,987 --> 01:28:48,891
IT WAS WRONG.
IT WAS WRONG.
1452
01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:13,982
[HORN HONKS]
1453
01:29:20,956 --> 01:29:24,527
ABOUT A YEAR AFTER
NIM WAS SOLD TO THE FUN,
1454
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,664
THEY PURCHASED A FEMALE
CHIMPANZEE TO BE WITH HIM.
1455
01:29:28,697 --> 01:29:30,633
AROUND 10 YEARS AFTER THAT,
1456
01:29:30,666 --> 01:29:32,167
I HEARD SHE WAS
IN FAILING HEALTH.
1457
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,038
I WAS WORRIED THAT NIM
WAS GONNA BE ON HIS OWN AGAIN.
1458
01:29:36,071 --> 01:29:39,908
AT THAT SAME TIME
I WAS TOLD THAT A NEW GUY
HAD TAKEN OVER THE RANCH,
1459
01:29:39,942 --> 01:29:41,510
AND HIS NAME WAS CHRIS BYRNE.
1460
01:29:41,544 --> 01:29:45,648
AND SO I APPROACHED CHRIS
ABOUT VISITING NIM.
1461
01:29:45,681 --> 01:29:48,417
[ELEPHANT TRUMPETS]
1462
01:29:49,818 --> 01:29:51,520
[INDISTINCT TALKING]
1463
01:29:51,554 --> 01:29:53,088
ONCE I MET CHRIS,
1464
01:29:53,121 --> 01:29:55,491
I WAS REALLY,
REALLY REASSURED
1465
01:29:55,524 --> 01:29:58,794
THAT THINGS WERE GONNA
BE MUCH BETTER FOR NIM.
1466
01:29:58,827 --> 01:30:01,964
Chris Byrne: LOOK, NIM.
SOMEBODY'S COME TO SEE YOU.
1467
01:30:01,997 --> 01:30:04,800
OH, HE'S GOT
HIS HACKLES UP.
1468
01:30:04,833 --> 01:30:05,868
Woman: AWW.
1469
01:30:05,901 --> 01:30:07,736
HEY, IT'S OK.
Bob: HI, NIM.
1470
01:30:07,770 --> 01:30:08,804
WHAT'S UP, BUD? NIM.
1471
01:30:08,837 --> 01:30:11,440
HE'S GOING TO DO
A COUPLE OF MINUTES
OF DISPLAYING.
1472
01:30:11,474 --> 01:30:13,075
OH, THAT'S OK. NIM.
1473
01:30:13,108 --> 01:30:15,478
WHAT'S UP, BUD?
1474
01:30:17,179 --> 01:30:21,216
YEAH, I KNOW, BUDDY.
WHO AM I? WHO AM I?
1475
01:30:21,249 --> 01:30:22,851
HEY, WHO ARE YOU?
1476
01:30:22,885 --> 01:30:25,020
[KISSES]
1477
01:30:27,055 --> 01:30:28,891
PLAY, PLAY.
1478
01:30:28,924 --> 01:30:30,693
[NIM CHIRPS]
1479
01:30:30,726 --> 01:30:33,462
PLAY WHERE? WHERE?
1480
01:30:36,599 --> 01:30:39,468
[GRUNTING
AND PANTING]
1481
01:30:44,139 --> 01:30:46,842
YOU ARE HAVING
SUCH A GOOD TIME.
1482
01:30:46,875 --> 01:30:49,878
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
1483
01:30:50,979 --> 01:30:53,749
[GRUNTS AND LAUGHS]
1484
01:30:54,617 --> 01:30:56,084
YES!
1485
01:30:57,152 --> 01:31:01,023
I SAID TO CHRIS,
I HAVE A WAY
TO HELP YOU,
1486
01:31:01,056 --> 01:31:04,860
AND I KNOW
I CAN HELP YOU TO
GET OTHER CHIMPS,
1487
01:31:04,893 --> 01:31:07,763
SO LET'S WORK TOGETHER.
1488
01:31:09,898 --> 01:31:12,067
BUDDY.
THINGS ARE IMPROVING.
1489
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:14,136
THINGS ARE
WAY IMPROVING.
1490
01:31:14,169 --> 01:31:17,640
IT'S TAKEN A WHILE, THOUGH.
IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME.
1491
01:31:17,673 --> 01:31:19,942
IT HASN'T BEEN EASY.
1492
01:31:19,975 --> 01:31:24,146
Chris Byrne:
ON AUGUST THE 10th, 1995,
1493
01:31:24,179 --> 01:31:27,683
THE DEAN OF
NYU MEDICAL CENTER ANNOUNCED
1494
01:31:27,716 --> 01:31:30,953
THAT LEMSIP WOULD BE CLOSED.
1495
01:31:30,986 --> 01:31:33,622
AND I THOUGHT,
I'M GOING TO TRY AND SAVE
1496
01:31:33,656 --> 01:31:36,224
AS MANY OF THE CHIMPS
AS I CAN,
1497
01:31:36,258 --> 01:31:40,228
BUT IN A VERY QUIET WAY.
SECRETLY.
1498
01:31:40,262 --> 01:31:43,899
HEY, LOU-LOU.
WHAT'S UP, GIRL?
HOW YOU DOING?
1499
01:31:43,932 --> 01:31:48,737
THAT'S WHERE BOB CAME IN,
THROUGH THE SECRET NETWORK.
1500
01:31:48,771 --> 01:31:52,040
WHAT'S UP, NIM?
WHO IS THIS OVER HERE?
1501
01:31:52,074 --> 01:31:55,043
WHO IS THIS OVER HERE, NIM?
WHO IS IT?
1502
01:31:55,077 --> 01:31:57,880
THIS IS GOING TO BE
YOUR NEW ROOMMATE.
1503
01:31:57,913 --> 01:32:00,115
READY?
YEAH. YEAH.
1504
01:32:00,148 --> 01:32:02,718
[INDISTINCT TALKING]
1505
01:32:02,751 --> 01:32:04,086
ISN'T THAT NICE?
1506
01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:05,888
[INDISTINCT]
1507
01:32:05,921 --> 01:32:06,955
[LAUGHS]
1508
01:32:06,989 --> 01:32:09,892
HE WANTS
SOME OF THAT YOGURT.
1509
01:32:09,925 --> 01:32:11,126
LOOK AT THAT.
1510
01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:14,129
[METAL CLINKING]
1511
01:32:16,632 --> 01:32:18,333
James:
WHAT DO YOU THINK, MITCH?
1512
01:32:18,366 --> 01:32:20,803
I TOLD YOU
IT WOULD BE NICE,
DIDN'T I?
1513
01:32:20,836 --> 01:32:26,609
Chris: JIM MAHONEY MOVED
LITERALLY 50, 60 CHIMPS.
1514
01:32:27,009 --> 01:32:31,213
AND WE DID, INDEED,
GET 2 CHIMPS FROM LEMSIP
1515
01:32:31,246 --> 01:32:34,750
THROUGH MAHONEY
TO BLACK BEAUTY RANCH.
1516
01:32:34,783 --> 01:32:39,354
MITCH WAS
A YOUNGISH ADULT MALE,
1517
01:32:39,387 --> 01:32:44,627
AND LOU-LOU WAS
VERY GENTLE.
1518
01:32:46,995 --> 01:32:50,065
LOU-LOU IMMEDIATELY
WENT TO HER DEFENSE,
1519
01:32:50,098 --> 01:32:52,868
AND NIM CAME OVER.
1520
01:32:52,901 --> 01:32:55,971
VERY GOOD, LOU-LOU.
SHE'S SO GOOD.
1521
01:32:56,004 --> 01:32:57,205
Bob: YEAH,
YOUR FRIEND, LOU-LOU.
1522
01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:01,977
I THINK MITCH AND LOU-LOU
REALLY HELPED HIM OUT
ENORMOUSLY.
1523
01:33:02,010 --> 01:33:04,647
[INDISTINCT TALKING]
1524
01:33:06,649 --> 01:33:08,183
WHAT, NOW YOU'RE
MAKING NOISES FOR IT.
1525
01:33:08,216 --> 01:33:09,885
WHAT'S--WHAT'S
THE NAME OF THIS?
1526
01:33:09,918 --> 01:33:11,920
HEY--I'M--NIM'S.
NIM'S WHAT?
1527
01:33:11,954 --> 01:33:13,155
WHAT? SODA POP, I KNOW.
1528
01:33:13,188 --> 01:33:15,991
THINGS WERE AS GOOD
AS COULD BE EXPECTED,
1529
01:33:16,024 --> 01:33:20,228
BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU KNOW
THAT HAD GONE ON PREVIOUS.
1530
01:33:20,262 --> 01:33:23,732
OH, YEAH,
THAT'S SO GOOD, NIM.
ISN'T IT GOOD?
1531
01:33:23,766 --> 01:33:26,835
IT WASN'T EXACTLY PERFECT,
1532
01:33:26,869 --> 01:33:30,038
BUT IT WAS
PRETTY DAMN GOOD.
1533
01:33:43,451 --> 01:33:48,356
Chris: CHIMPS ARE
TRULY WONDERFUL ANIMALS.
1534
01:33:48,891 --> 01:33:53,028
THEY'RE VERY FORGIVING,
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM.
1535
01:33:57,365 --> 01:33:59,768
THEY--THEY'LL FORGIVE YOU.
1536
01:33:59,802 --> 01:34:02,304
[BIRDS CHIRPING]
1537
01:34:45,781 --> 01:34:48,350
CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY
LIONS GATE ENTERTAINMENT
1538
01:34:48,383 --> 01:34:52,755
CAPTIONED BY THE NATIONAL
CAPTIONING INSTITUTE
--www.ncicap.org--
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