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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,504 --> 00:00:07,775 CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY LIONS GATE ENTERTAINMENT 2 00:00:54,522 --> 00:00:57,591 [CRICKETS] 3 00:01:00,761 --> 00:01:03,831 [PRIMATES SCREECHING] 4 00:01:08,802 --> 00:01:11,572 [INDISTINCT POPPING] 5 00:01:54,648 --> 00:01:58,352 CHIMPANZEE INFANT LEFT WITH HIS MOTHER IS A THING, A LUMP. 6 00:01:58,386 --> 00:02:01,455 TAKEN AWAY, HE ACQUIRES-- 7 00:02:01,489 --> 00:02:04,292 HUMAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS-- PERFORMANCES, 8 00:02:04,325 --> 00:02:06,927 WHICH ARE WELL NIGH UNBELIEVABLE. 9 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,597 [GRUNTING] 10 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:20,441 Woman: NIM WAS BORN AT THE PRIMATE CENTER IN OKLAHOMA, 11 00:02:20,474 --> 00:02:24,412 AND I WENT OUT THERE TO GET HIM. 12 00:02:24,445 --> 00:02:29,283 I HAD NEVER BEEN NEAR THAT MANY CHIMPANZEES. 13 00:02:29,317 --> 00:02:31,752 IT WAS FRIGHTENING AND INTIMIDATING, 14 00:02:31,785 --> 00:02:34,788 AND I KNEW DR. LEMMON AND HIS WIFE WERE WATCHING ME 15 00:02:34,822 --> 00:02:38,892 TO SEE WHAT KIND OF A MOTHER WOULD I BE. 16 00:02:40,761 --> 00:02:45,399 CAROLYN, NIM'S MOTHER, WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE 17 00:02:45,433 --> 00:02:47,401 HOLDING NIM. 18 00:02:47,435 --> 00:02:50,438 AND SHE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BETTER THAN I DID. 19 00:02:50,471 --> 00:02:55,276 SHE HAD HAD 6 OF HER PREVIOUS BABIES REMOVED, 20 00:02:55,309 --> 00:02:57,478 APPARENTLY, IN THE SAME WAY. 21 00:02:57,511 --> 00:03:00,214 [METAL JANGLING] 22 00:03:02,483 --> 00:03:04,485 [DOOR OPENS] 23 00:03:04,518 --> 00:03:09,857 WHEN THE TIME CAME TO TAKE NIM FROM HIS MOTHER, 24 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:13,261 SHE INSTANTLY TOOK ON 25 00:03:13,294 --> 00:03:17,965 THIS--THIS DRAMA, THIS FEELING OF SOMETHING ABOUT TO HAPPEN. 26 00:03:17,998 --> 00:03:20,868 [CHIMPANZEE SCREECHING] 27 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:27,541 Woman: AND DR. LEMMON SHOT HER WITH A TRANQUILIZING GUN. 28 00:03:27,575 --> 00:03:28,909 [SCREECHING] 29 00:03:28,942 --> 00:03:31,379 AND THEN SAID, 30 00:03:31,412 --> 00:03:37,285 "QUICK, WE HAVE TO GET HIM BEFORE SHE FALLS OVER AND FALLS ON HIM." 31 00:03:37,318 --> 00:03:38,252 [SCREECHING] 32 00:03:38,286 --> 00:03:42,723 SHE WAS TRYING TO PROTECT HIM AND CRADLE HIM. 33 00:03:42,756 --> 00:03:46,260 SO HE RACED IN AND GOT NIM, 34 00:03:46,294 --> 00:03:50,298 AND HANDED NIM TO ME, 35 00:03:50,331 --> 00:03:53,334 AND SAID, "GO BACK," YOU KNOW. 36 00:03:53,367 --> 00:03:54,902 "GO BACK IN THE OTHER SPACE." 37 00:03:54,935 --> 00:03:57,805 [CHIMPANZEE SCREECHING] 38 00:04:05,446 --> 00:04:08,949 HE WAS VERY DENSE, 39 00:04:08,982 --> 00:04:14,388 UNLIKE A HUMAN BABY THAT HAS FAT. 40 00:04:14,422 --> 00:04:16,790 HE WAS DENSE AND HARD. 41 00:04:16,824 --> 00:04:20,428 HE DIDN'T STRUGGLE. HE DIDN'T TRY TO GET AWAY. 42 00:04:20,461 --> 00:04:22,396 HE JUST SCREAMED. 43 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:25,766 AS MUCH AS HE MAY BE SCREAMING AND PROTESTING, 44 00:04:25,799 --> 00:04:27,901 HE'S ALSO CLINGING. 45 00:04:27,935 --> 00:04:32,005 HE WAS ATTACHING FOR DEAR LIFE. 46 00:04:54,762 --> 00:05:00,734 Man: WOULDN'T IT BE EXCITING TO COMMUNICATE WITH A CHIMP 47 00:05:00,768 --> 00:05:03,937 AND FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS THINKING? 48 00:05:03,971 --> 00:05:04,772 [SCREECHES] 49 00:05:04,805 --> 00:05:07,875 IF THEY COULD BE TAUGHT TO ARTICULATE 50 00:05:07,908 --> 00:05:09,109 WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT, 51 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:14,348 THIS WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE EXPANSION OF HUMAN COMMUNICATION 52 00:05:14,382 --> 00:05:16,784 AND POSSIBLY GIVE US SOME INSIGHT 53 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:21,121 INTO HOW LANGUAGE, IN FACT, DID EVOLVE. 54 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:25,359 AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHY I STARTED PROJECT NIM. 55 00:05:26,627 --> 00:05:27,861 [TELEPHONE RINGS] 56 00:05:27,895 --> 00:05:31,131 Woman: I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS IN HIS MIND, BUT HE JUST CALLED. 57 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:32,366 [RING] 58 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:38,506 HE WAS ASKING ME TO BRING AN INFANT CHIMPANZEE INTO MY HOME, 59 00:05:38,539 --> 00:05:42,643 RAISE THIS INFANT AS IF HE WERE A CHILD, 60 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:45,379 AND SEE IF HE ACQUIRE LANGUAGE 61 00:05:45,413 --> 00:05:49,383 AS A FUNCTION OF BEING PART OF A FAMILY. 62 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:53,487 Prof. Herbert Terrace: STEPHANIE WAS A FORMER STUDENT OF MINE. 63 00:05:53,521 --> 00:05:56,890 SHE HAD A LARGE FAMILY OF HER OWN CHILDREN 64 00:05:56,924 --> 00:05:58,759 AND HER HUSBAND'S CHILDREN, 65 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:01,862 WAS EXCEEDINGLY EMPATHIC AND WARM, 66 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:05,365 AND A CHIMP COULD NOT HAVE A BETTER MOTHER. 67 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,169 Stephanie LaFarge: I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CHIMPANZEES, 68 00:06:09,202 --> 00:06:14,708 AND I NEVER ACTUALLY SAT DOWN TO STUDY THEM, UH, 69 00:06:14,742 --> 00:06:17,811 AS ONE COULD HAVE, AS I SHOULD HAVE, PERHAPS. 70 00:06:17,845 --> 00:06:20,614 BUT MY APPETITE AND MY DRIVE TO HAVE 71 00:06:20,648 --> 00:06:23,484 THAT INTIMATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH AN ANIMAL WAS-- 72 00:06:23,517 --> 00:06:26,487 NOTHING WOULD HAVE STOPPED THAT. 73 00:06:26,687 --> 00:06:31,191 THE FACT THAT WE COULD SHARE LANGUAGE WITH AN ANIMAL 74 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:36,029 SEEMED LIKE A VERY RADICAL POSSIBILITY AT THAT TIME. 75 00:06:36,063 --> 00:06:37,931 Herb: IT HAD BEEN KNOWN FOR SOME TIME THAT 76 00:06:37,965 --> 00:06:41,435 CHIMPS AREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE SOUNDS OF HUMAN LANGUAGE. 77 00:06:41,469 --> 00:06:44,438 Second man: DO THIS, VICKY. [BLOWS RASPBERRY] 78 00:06:44,472 --> 00:06:48,408 SO WHY NOT TEACH 'EM SIGN LANGUAGE? 79 00:06:49,009 --> 00:06:52,946 THE REAL BREAKTHROUGH WOULD BE IF, LIKE HUMAN CHILDREN, 80 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:57,818 A CHIMPANZEE COULD CREATE GRAMMATICAL SENTENCES. 81 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,188 SO WITHOUT MUCH PREPARATION, 82 00:07:01,221 --> 00:07:05,826 AND WITHOUT REALLY ASKING PERMISSION OF MY CHILDREN, MY HUSBAND, 83 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:07,961 I SAID, "FINE. I CAN DO IT. 84 00:07:07,995 --> 00:07:10,030 "I EVEN HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT WITH. 85 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:12,232 WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT MONEY." 86 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:18,005 AND SO IT WAS LAUNCHED. THE EXPERIMENT WAS LAUNCHED. 87 00:07:18,038 --> 00:07:20,007 Herb: WHEN NIM CAME TO NEW YORK, 88 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,609 HE WAS BARELY 2 WEEKS OLD. 89 00:07:21,642 --> 00:07:25,613 THE IDEA WAS THAT HE WOULD BE TREATED, IN EVERY WAY, 90 00:07:25,646 --> 00:07:27,681 LIKE A HUMAN INFANT. 91 00:07:27,715 --> 00:07:29,717 [DISTANT SIREN] 92 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:32,986 Stephanie: I HAD RECENTLY MOVED TO A BROWNSTONE 93 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:35,756 ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE WITH MY 3 CHILDREN 94 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:41,094 AND WITH MY HUSBAND, WHO HAD 4 CHILDREN-- WER LAFARGE. 95 00:07:41,895 --> 00:07:46,867 WER WAS A POET AND A WRITER. 96 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,201 HE REDEFINED HIMSELF, 97 00:07:48,235 --> 00:07:52,673 BECAME WHAT, AT THAT TIME, WAS CALLED A RICH HIPPIE. 98 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:57,277 [DOG BARKS] 99 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:00,581 A NEW HUSBAND, NEW FAMILY, 100 00:08:00,614 --> 00:08:01,715 NEW HOUSE, 101 00:08:01,749 --> 00:08:08,522 AND I BROUGHT NIM INTO THAT RATHER TURBULENT SITUATION. 102 00:08:10,924 --> 00:08:15,563 IT JUST HAPPENED. THERE WAS NO FAMILY DISCUSSION ABOUT, 103 00:08:15,596 --> 00:08:17,164 SHOULD WE, SHOULDN'T WE? YOU KNOW. 104 00:08:17,197 --> 00:08:19,299 IT WAS JUST, "OH, WE'RE HAVING A CHIMP, 105 00:08:19,332 --> 00:08:22,803 WE'RE GOING TO TEACH IT SIGN LANGUAGE." 106 00:08:23,236 --> 00:08:25,839 AND THEN THE REALITY OF IT IS SORT OF HITTING YOU, 107 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:27,307 THAT IT'S REALLY-- YOU KNOW, IT'S ALIVE, 108 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:29,076 IT'S NOT A DOLL, IT'S NOT A TOY. IT'S... 109 00:08:29,109 --> 00:08:34,882 IT'S NOT A HUMAN, IT'S A CHIMP, AND IT'S AMAZING. 110 00:08:34,915 --> 00:08:38,185 SWEET LITTLE NEWBORN BABY, 111 00:08:38,218 --> 00:08:42,656 NEEDY CREATURE. SO... 112 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:46,927 I THINK I FELL IN LOVE INSTANTLY. 113 00:08:47,628 --> 00:08:50,764 Stephanie: NIM DIDN'T LIKE WER. 114 00:08:50,798 --> 00:08:55,102 AND WER DIDN'T LIKE HIM. 115 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:59,607 ALMOST INSTANTLY, I SAW HOW COMPLICATED 116 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,609 THIS WAS GOING TO BE. 117 00:09:01,642 --> 00:09:03,811 I THINK WER WENT ALONG WITH IT. 118 00:09:03,844 --> 00:09:08,616 IT WAS CLEARLY STEPHANIE SORT OF SAYING, "LET'S HAVE A CHIMP." 119 00:09:08,649 --> 00:09:10,050 [SIGHS] 120 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:11,919 IT WAS THE SEVENTIES. [CHUCKLES] 121 00:09:11,952 --> 00:09:16,223 Stephanie: I BREAST FED HIM FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 122 00:09:16,256 --> 00:09:19,827 IT SEEMED COMPLETELY NATURAL. 123 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:24,898 EVERYTHING WAS ABOUT TREATING HIM LIKE A HUMAN BEING. 124 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:28,936 BY THE TIME I HAD NIM, OF COURSE, 125 00:09:28,969 --> 00:09:31,939 I FELT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH BABIES. 126 00:09:31,972 --> 00:09:36,710 I WASN'T PREPARED AT ALL FOR THE WILD ANIMAL IN HIM 127 00:09:36,744 --> 00:09:40,013 AND THE DRIVE. 128 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:47,354 BY THE TIME HE WAS 3 MONTHS OLD, I THINK, 129 00:09:47,387 --> 00:09:50,824 AND STARTING TO BE AMBULATORY, 130 00:09:50,858 --> 00:09:53,727 HE WAS JUST RIGHT THERE. 131 00:09:53,761 --> 00:09:57,931 NOTHING PASSIVE, NOTHING PASSIVE EVER. 132 00:10:01,702 --> 00:10:03,270 YOU KNOW, I THINK HE FIGURED THAT 133 00:10:03,303 --> 00:10:07,975 HE COULD JUST GET IN BETWEEN WER AND STEPHANIE, 134 00:10:08,008 --> 00:10:10,077 ON SOME LEVEL. 135 00:10:13,881 --> 00:10:16,149 WHEN WER PUT HIS ARM AROUND HER, 136 00:10:16,183 --> 00:10:18,986 AND--AND NIM JUST, YOU KNOW, 137 00:10:19,019 --> 00:10:22,289 HALF ASLEEP HAVING A BOTTLE, YOU KNOW-- 138 00:10:22,322 --> 00:10:26,994 TURNED AND BIT WER ON THE ARM QUITE HARD. 139 00:10:28,195 --> 00:10:30,330 HE DIDN'T WANT WER IN THE PICTURE. 140 00:10:30,363 --> 00:10:34,267 HE WANTED STEPHANIE ALL FOR HIMSELF. 141 00:10:34,301 --> 00:10:38,205 Stephanie: WER DEFINITELY FELT EXCLUDED. 142 00:10:38,238 --> 00:10:41,141 NIM HAD JUST BECOME PART OF MY BEING. 143 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:48,015 THAT WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ROLE THAT I PLAYED AS WIFE. 144 00:10:49,016 --> 00:10:53,320 [TELEPHONE RINGS] [BARKING] 145 00:10:53,353 --> 00:10:54,321 [RING] 146 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:57,791 "HERB'S COMING, HERB'S COMING, HERB'S COMING." 147 00:10:57,825 --> 00:11:01,094 HERB'S COMING WAS A BIG DEAL. 148 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:04,131 I WOULD JUST GO OVER AND VISIT, 149 00:11:04,164 --> 00:11:06,433 JUST TO SEE WHAT HIS STATE WAS 150 00:11:06,466 --> 00:11:09,102 AND HOW HE WAS GETTING ALONG. 151 00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:12,773 HERB WAS INFINITELY EXCITING. 152 00:11:12,806 --> 00:11:16,209 I ADMIRED HIS INTELLECT AND HIS GOALS 153 00:11:16,243 --> 00:11:20,113 AND HIS ARROGANCE, ALL THOSE THINGS. 154 00:11:21,815 --> 00:11:24,084 THERE WAS SOMETHING... 155 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:27,988 THAT DIDN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME ABOUT HIM. 156 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:30,123 [BARKING] 157 00:11:31,091 --> 00:11:34,962 Stephanie: THE PEOPLE THAT I AM THE CLOSEST TO THROUGHOUT MY LIFE 158 00:11:34,995 --> 00:11:40,333 ARE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE HAD SOME PERIOD OF SEXUAL CONTACT WITH. 159 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:45,939 I DON'T THINK THAT THE PREVIOUS SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP 160 00:11:45,973 --> 00:11:51,444 BETWEEN HERB AND MYSELF MADE A DIFFERENCE TO THE PROJECT AT ALL, 161 00:11:51,478 --> 00:11:53,380 UM, OTHER THAN 162 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:55,983 IT WAS PART OF THE GLUE... 163 00:11:56,016 --> 00:11:58,752 THAT ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. 164 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:03,991 HERB DIDN'T COME VERY MUCH. 165 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:08,996 HE WASN'T PART OF THE CARETAKING PACKAGE AT ALL. 166 00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:11,131 YOUNG NEWBORN CHIMPS 167 00:12:11,164 --> 00:12:15,302 ARE ALWAYS RAISED BY THEIR MOTHERS, NOT BY THEIR FATHERS. 168 00:12:15,335 --> 00:12:19,306 UM, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY WAY OF TRYING TO CHANGE-- 169 00:12:19,339 --> 00:12:22,342 OR ANY POINT IN TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. 170 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:28,081 FOR BETTER OR WORSE, I NEVER REGARDED HIM AS A--AS A CHILD. 171 00:12:28,115 --> 00:12:34,021 I REGARDED HIM AS AN INTELLIGENT, PERSONABLE CENTER 172 00:12:34,054 --> 00:12:37,324 OF A SCIENTIFIC PROJECT. 173 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:40,327 I HAD AN IMPLICIT FAITH 174 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,296 THAT NIM WOULD LEARN SIGNS. 175 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:46,266 WE HAD TO WAIT AND SEE. 176 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:51,004 HOW DO THEY START TEACHING THE CHILD TO SIGN? 177 00:12:51,038 --> 00:12:55,408 DOES THE CHILD JUST WATCH AND WHATEVER? I DON'T KNOW. 178 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:56,443 I MEAN, IT WAS A PROBLEM. 179 00:12:56,476 --> 00:12:57,677 WE WERE TRYING TO TEACH THIS CHIMP SIGN LANGUAGE, 180 00:12:57,710 --> 00:13:01,048 AND NOBODY IN THE HOUSE REALLY WAS FLUENT IN SIGN LANGUAGE. 181 00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:02,916 WE WOULD MOLD HIS HAND INTO 182 00:13:02,950 --> 00:13:04,451 THE SIGN FOR "DRINK," WHICH IS THIS, 183 00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:09,256 AND THEN GIVE HIM THE BOTTLE TO DRINK. 184 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:20,133 IT JUST HAPPENED. 185 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:23,070 Stephanie: IT WAS JUST AMAZING, 186 00:13:23,103 --> 00:13:26,840 AND I THOUGHT, PIECE OF CAKE. 187 00:13:26,874 --> 00:13:28,341 I WAS ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED. 188 00:13:28,375 --> 00:13:34,481 HE PICKED UP QUITE A FEW SIGNS AFTER THAT RATHER QUICKLY. 189 00:13:36,383 --> 00:13:38,251 "EAT," "ME," 190 00:13:38,285 --> 00:13:41,488 "NIM" WERE PART OF HIS FIRST SIGNS. 191 00:13:41,521 --> 00:13:43,991 "HUG" WAS ANOTHER ONE. 192 00:13:46,393 --> 00:13:49,196 AND IT WAS AS IF THEN, OK, WE'RE OFF NOW. 193 00:13:49,229 --> 00:13:52,933 WE JUST GOT TO BUILD UP THE VOCABULARY. 194 00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:54,034 AS MUCH AS WE WERE MOLDING HIM, 195 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:58,105 WE WERE MOLDING THESE DAMN HANDS AND ALL THIS STUFF, 196 00:13:58,138 --> 00:14:01,408 HE WAS STARTING TO MOLD US. 197 00:14:01,441 --> 00:14:03,343 HE KNEW EVERY DYNAMIC 198 00:14:03,376 --> 00:14:06,513 THAT WAS IN THE ROOM INSTANTLY. 199 00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:07,915 Jenny Lee: HE KNEW WHEN YOU WERE UPSET, 200 00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:12,485 WHATEVER HAD HAPPENED IN--WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, 13- 14-YEAR-OLD'S LIFE. 201 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:13,954 AND HE WOULD COME OVER, 202 00:14:13,987 --> 00:14:17,090 AND HE WOULD JUST COME AND SIT WITH YOU 203 00:14:17,124 --> 00:14:20,260 AND HUG YOU AND THEN JUST KISS THE TEARS AWAY. 204 00:14:20,293 --> 00:14:26,433 AND IT WAS AMAZING, YOU KNOW. JUST UNCONDITIONAL. 205 00:14:27,067 --> 00:14:30,437 Stephanie: HE WAS MY LIFELINE, HE WAS MY BUDDY, 206 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:33,974 AND HE WAS BRINGING SOMETHING OUT IN ME, 207 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:39,312 A FREEDOM TO DEFY EXPECTATION AND AUTHORITY. 208 00:14:39,947 --> 00:14:44,952 HIS GREATEST FOCUS OF DEFIANCE WAS AGAINST WER. 209 00:14:44,985 --> 00:14:48,221 HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PULL BOOKS OFF THE SHELVES, 210 00:14:48,255 --> 00:14:51,258 AND WER LIKED HIS BOOKS A CERTAIN WAY. 211 00:14:51,291 --> 00:14:55,662 WHEN HE SAW WER COMING, HE WOULD REALLY DO IT. 212 00:14:55,695 --> 00:14:56,529 [SNIFFING] 213 00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:59,432 IT WAS VERY FOCUSED. IT WAS INTENTIONAL. 214 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:03,570 "FUCK YOU, I'M TOUCHING THESE." 215 00:15:03,603 --> 00:15:05,438 [SIGHS] 216 00:15:05,472 --> 00:15:07,607 IT WAS A PROBLEM. 217 00:15:08,441 --> 00:15:10,944 WER WAS SO IMPOTENT. 218 00:15:10,978 --> 00:15:13,080 I MEAN, WHAT COULD HE DO? HE'D CHASE HIM AROUND-- 219 00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:15,548 "DROP THAT," YOU KNOW? BLAH, BLAH. 220 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:18,618 I MEAN, HE WON EVERY TIME. 221 00:15:25,993 --> 00:15:30,730 NIM SAW HERB AS HIS NEXT ADULT MALE CHALLENGE. 222 00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:35,335 I MEAN, THAT IS THE LIFE THAT HE'S HARDWIRED FOR, 223 00:15:35,368 --> 00:15:39,172 TO TAKE ON INCREASINGLY POWERFUL MALE FIGURES 224 00:15:39,206 --> 00:15:41,041 UNTIL HE'S THE TOP. 225 00:15:41,074 --> 00:15:42,976 WHEN HERB WOULD COME OVER EXPECTING TO STEP IN 226 00:15:43,010 --> 00:15:47,414 AND HAVE CONTROL OF NIM, AND HE COULDN'T AND DIDN'T, 227 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:51,651 WE--WE LOVED IT. WE LOVED IT. 228 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:56,256 I CORNERED NIM 229 00:15:56,289 --> 00:16:00,093 AND JUST WENT TO PULL HIM OUT OF SOME... 230 00:16:00,127 --> 00:16:03,530 HIDING PLACE, AND HE BIT ME. 231 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:08,135 FRANKLY, EVERYBODY IN THE FAMILY GOT A KICK OUT OF NIM 232 00:16:08,168 --> 00:16:11,338 DOING JUST WHAT HERB HATED. 233 00:16:11,604 --> 00:16:12,705 NO ONE EVER PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE, 234 00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:17,310 AND HE JUST GREW MORE AND MORE AND MORE-- MORE POWERFUL, 235 00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:20,213 AND THAT WAS EXCITING TO ME. 236 00:16:23,283 --> 00:16:25,752 WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TRY TO CONTROL HIM IN ANY WAY. 237 00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:29,622 IN FACT, WE ENJOYED JUST LETTING HIM HANG OUT 238 00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,691 AND SEE HOW IT WENT. 239 00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:33,693 [NIM PANTING] 240 00:16:33,726 --> 00:16:36,429 [DOG BARKING] 241 00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:41,701 Herb: STEPHANIE BEING THE KIND OF MOTHER SHE WAS 242 00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:44,304 WAS NOT VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DISCIPLINE. 243 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:47,607 IT WAS SORT OF THE HIPPIE MENTALITY, 244 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,776 AND I THINK WHAT I WOULD TELL HER 245 00:16:49,809 --> 00:16:53,046 WOULD GO IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER. 246 00:16:56,216 --> 00:17:00,653 Stephanie: HERB WOULD HAVE WANTED A SCHEDULE AND A STRUCTURE 247 00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:06,759 AND CHARTED PROGRESS AND NOTES AND ALL OF THAT. 248 00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:09,829 I DIDN'T SUPPLY THAT. 249 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:10,863 I DID-- COULDN'T CREATE THAT, 250 00:17:10,897 --> 00:17:15,302 AND I DON'T THINK NIM WOULD HAVE THRIVED IN THAT. 251 00:17:15,335 --> 00:17:17,737 [BARKING] 252 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,583 I WAS TAKING CLASSES AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, 253 00:17:30,617 --> 00:17:33,520 AND THERE WAS A SMALL SIGN THAT SAID, 254 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:37,790 "RESEARCH ASSISTANT NEEDED. COURSE CREDIT GRANTED." 255 00:17:42,329 --> 00:17:45,098 A MAN OPENED THE DOOR, 256 00:17:45,132 --> 00:17:46,566 AND HE WAS COMPLETELY BREATHLESS. 257 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:51,404 HE--ALSO, HE'S ONE OF THOSE MEN WHO WAS BALDING ON THE TOP, 258 00:17:51,438 --> 00:17:54,341 SO HE HAD HIS HAIR PASTED DOWN. 259 00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:56,809 BUT HE WAS SO UPSET AND DISHEVELED 260 00:17:56,843 --> 00:18:01,514 THAT HIS HAIR WAS STANDING STRAIGHT UP ON ONE SIDE. 261 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:05,585 HE EXPLAINED IT WAS A LANGUAGE PROJECT, 262 00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:11,824 AND I IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTOOD THE SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE. 263 00:18:11,858 --> 00:18:13,760 NIM WAS GOING TO TEST 264 00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:16,129 THE NATURE VERSUS NURTURE HYPOTHESES 265 00:18:16,163 --> 00:18:18,765 THAT WERE PREVAILING AT THE TIME. 266 00:18:19,466 --> 00:18:23,236 IT REALLY WAS AT THE CUSP OF SCIENCE. 267 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:26,873 Herb: YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS ARE JUST IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS 268 00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:29,142 ABOUT SOMEONE FROM THE BEGINNING. 269 00:18:29,176 --> 00:18:32,912 YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU HAVE. 270 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:36,349 I THINK SHE WAS 18, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 271 00:18:36,383 --> 00:18:41,388 Laura-Ann: AT THE TIME, NIM WAS IN STEPHANIE LAFARGE'S HOUSE. 272 00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:45,492 AND MY FIRST JOB WAS TO, BASICALLY, BABY-SIT, 273 00:18:45,525 --> 00:18:48,795 TO GO TO THE HOUSE AND, OSTENSIBLY, 274 00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:49,796 TEACH HIM SIGN LANGUAGE. 275 00:18:49,829 --> 00:18:53,700 SHE CAME OUT OF NOWHERE AS A... 276 00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:57,136 CUTE LITTLE THING FROM RAMAPO. 277 00:18:57,670 --> 00:19:00,773 WHEN I GOT THERE, I WAS ACTUALLY REALLY SURPRISED. 278 00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:04,877 THERE WAS UTTER CHAOS. 279 00:19:04,911 --> 00:19:06,813 THERE WAS NOTHING. 280 00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:09,816 THIS WAS A SCIENTIFIC PROJECT. 281 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:13,720 THERE WERE NO JOURNALS. THERE WERE NO LOG BOOKS. 282 00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:16,789 THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS COVERING NIM, 283 00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,825 WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO BE COVERING NIM, 284 00:19:18,858 --> 00:19:20,427 WHO WOULD BE TEACHING NIM, 285 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:21,494 WHEN THEY WOULD BE TEACHING NIM. 286 00:19:21,528 --> 00:19:24,531 THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO TEACH NIM. 287 00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:28,235 Stephanie: SHE QUICKLY FELT HER POWER. 288 00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:29,769 IT WAS COMPLETELY VISIBLE. 289 00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:34,207 YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAD TO ADAPT TO IT. 290 00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:37,710 SHE WANTED THAT MOTHER ROLE. 291 00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:40,313 THIS ANIMAL... 292 00:19:40,347 --> 00:19:42,449 CLIMBED THE WALLS ALL DAY. 293 00:19:42,482 --> 00:19:48,455 HE RIPPED APART STEPHANIE'S HOUSE ALL DAY. 294 00:19:48,488 --> 00:19:51,924 THE KINDS OF THINGS SHE WAS EXPOSING NIM TO 295 00:19:51,958 --> 00:19:54,994 WERE...ATYPICAL. 296 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:57,530 [HORNS HONK] 297 00:19:57,564 --> 00:20:00,667 Stephanie: HE LOVED DRIVING FAST IN CARS. 298 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,336 HE LOVED MOTORCYCLES. HE LOVED, YOU KNOW, 299 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:06,539 VIRTUALLY ANYTHING THRILLING. 300 00:20:08,941 --> 00:20:10,477 HE LIKED ALCOHOL. 301 00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:13,880 YOU'D GIVE HIM A SIP AND HE'D WANT MORE. 302 00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:18,551 WE GAVE HIM PUFFS ON A JOINT. 303 00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:26,793 WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TREAT HIM LIKE A CHILD. 304 00:20:26,826 --> 00:20:32,632 WE COULD EXPOSE HIM TO THE SENSATIONS THAT WE ENJOYED. 305 00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:36,002 I HAD AN INSTINCTIVE SENSE 306 00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:38,605 THAT SOMETHING WAS VERY AMISS HERE, 307 00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:44,544 THAT THIS IS NOT THE WAY YOU TEACH A CHILD LANGUAGE 308 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,446 OR YOU INTERACT WITH A CHILD 309 00:20:46,479 --> 00:20:51,518 OR YOU TEACH, UM, ANYTHING LANGUAGE. 310 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:57,790 Stephanie: WHEN NIM BEGAN TO DISCOVER MY BODY, 311 00:20:57,824 --> 00:20:59,526 MY NAKEDNESS, HE'D BE CUR-- 312 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:02,362 I MEAN, LIKE A CHILD, HE WAS UNINTERESTED, 313 00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:05,031 AND THEN ONE DAY HE WAS INTERESTED. 314 00:21:09,402 --> 00:21:13,806 I NEVER FELT SEXUALLY ENGAGED WITH HIM. 315 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,810 THERE WAS A SENSUALITY, BUT NIM WAS A--WAS A-- 316 00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:20,847 YOU KNOW, A PRE-TEEN. 317 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,652 Laura-Ann: STEPHANIE WAS A GRADUATE STUDENT IN PSYCHOANALYSIS. 318 00:21:25,685 --> 00:21:29,556 HER QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH THE OEDIPAL COMPLEX, 319 00:21:29,589 --> 00:21:32,525 AND SHE WAS INTERESTED IN NIM'S MASTURBATION 320 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:36,028 AND HOW HE MASTURBATED. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. 321 00:21:37,096 --> 00:21:43,035 I REALIZED THAT I COULD NOT DO WHAT I CALL GOOD SCIENCE 322 00:21:43,069 --> 00:21:44,103 IN STEPHANIE'S HOME. 323 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:47,039 IT JUST WASN'T CONDUCIVE TO THAT. 324 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:53,112 SO I SET UP A CLASSROOM AT COLUMBIA. 325 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:55,815 Stephanie: HE'S GOING TO TAKE NIM TO SCHOOL, 326 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:58,951 AND I REALIZE I'M STARTING TO LOSE MY ROLE 327 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:03,590 AS THE PERSON WHO KNOWS THE BEST WHAT HE NEEDS. 328 00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:05,692 Laura-Ann: WE HAD TO GET HIM IN A CONTEXT 329 00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:10,897 THAT WAS NEUTRAL, CALMING, SOOTHING. 330 00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:17,904 I JUST MAPPED OUT A TEACHING PLAN FOR NIM 331 00:22:17,937 --> 00:22:20,773 AND I DID IT. 332 00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:23,543 Herb: SHE WAS SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS 333 00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:25,745 THAT I MADE HER, IN A SENSE, 334 00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:31,418 THE DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION, THE CURRICULUM. 335 00:22:31,918 --> 00:22:33,886 I WAS FEELING GOOD ABOUT MYSELF. 336 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,955 ALSO, I WAS SUCCEEDING WITH NIM. 337 00:22:35,988 --> 00:22:37,890 I COULD SEE I WAS SUCCEEDING WITH NIM. 338 00:22:37,924 --> 00:22:41,127 I CAN SEE IT. I CAN SEE THAT NO ONE 339 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,930 COULD HOLD A CANDLE TO ME. 340 00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:45,965 THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERED TO HIM-- 341 00:22:45,998 --> 00:22:48,501 IT BECAME MORE AND MORE TENSE-- 342 00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:50,903 YOU KNOW, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS. 343 00:22:50,937 --> 00:22:52,672 WORD ORDER, WORD ORDER, WORD ORDER. 344 00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:54,974 UH, HE COULDN'T-- HE COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE. 345 00:22:55,007 --> 00:22:59,912 HERB STARTED SEEING THE SIGNS GROW ON THAT LITTLE GRAPH, 346 00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:00,947 EVERY DAY, 347 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:03,783 EVERY OTHER DAY, EVERY 3 DAYS, 348 00:23:03,816 --> 00:23:05,885 LAURA TAUGHT HIM ANOTHER SIGN. 349 00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:08,855 LAURA TAUGHT HIM ANOTHER SIGN. 350 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:12,659 AND I JUST WENT HELL FOR LEATHER. 351 00:23:14,694 --> 00:23:16,663 Herb: NIM'S SIGNING WAS 352 00:23:16,696 --> 00:23:19,766 JUST ALMOST EXPONENTIALLY INCREASING. 353 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,502 I WAS VERY HAPPY. 354 00:23:22,702 --> 00:23:25,872 WORDS ARE A FUCKING NIGHTMARE 355 00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:30,109 WHEN IT COMES TO CLOSENESS, OFTEN. 356 00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:33,212 UM, AND HERE I WAS MARRIED TO A POET, 357 00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:36,549 WORKING FOR A LINGUIST. 358 00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,017 YOU KNOW, I WAS-- YOU KNOW, 359 00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:41,087 WORDS WERE THE-- BECAME THE ENEMY. 360 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,189 SHE STARTED RESTRICTING 361 00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:46,926 THE TIMES WE CAN COME IN THE HOUSE. 362 00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:50,697 UH, SHE STARTED THROWING US OUT. 363 00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:52,832 SHE APPARENTLY WAS, 364 00:23:52,865 --> 00:23:57,737 UH, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGED TO BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS NOW THE MOTHER. 365 00:23:58,605 --> 00:24:05,177 Laura-Ann: STEPHANIE BEGAN TO THREATEN TO TAKE NIM AWAY FROM HERB... 366 00:24:06,012 --> 00:24:09,916 AND HERB STARTED PANICKING. 367 00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:12,985 Herb: I DEFINITELY INITIATED THE MOVE 368 00:24:13,019 --> 00:24:14,721 OUT OF STEPHANIE'S HOUSE. 369 00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:17,123 I THINK SHE WAS INITIALLY QUITE RESISTANT TO IT, 370 00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:22,662 ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW NIM WAS GOING TO END UP. 371 00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:23,696 GOD HAD SPOKEN. 372 00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:25,264 THAT'S WHAT HAD HAPPENED. 373 00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:26,999 THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON. 374 00:24:27,033 --> 00:24:29,902 AND WE DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL. 375 00:24:36,743 --> 00:24:38,044 SO... 376 00:24:38,077 --> 00:24:41,881 MY SEPARATION FROM HIM WAS JUST AS ABRUPT, IN A WAY, 377 00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:43,149 AT THAT MOMENT, 378 00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:47,654 AS HIS WAS FROM CAROLYN'S. 379 00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:51,524 I WAS, UM, OSTENSIBLY CONSCIOUS, 380 00:24:51,558 --> 00:24:53,560 BUT I WAS NO LESS-- 381 00:24:53,593 --> 00:24:58,164 I WAS AS UNAWARE AND, YOU KNOW, 382 00:24:58,197 --> 00:25:02,935 UN-IN-CHARGE AND HELPLESS AS SHE WAS. 383 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,606 IT... 384 00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:13,713 IT WAS HEART-- IT WAS HEARTBREAKING... 385 00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:17,183 UM... 386 00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:20,653 SAYING GOOD-BYE. 387 00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:28,194 Stephanie: PART OF ME DID NOT WANT HIM TO LEARN LANGUAGE. 388 00:25:30,296 --> 00:25:33,232 HE WAS LESS WITH LANGUAGE 389 00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:37,670 THAN HE WAS AS HIS UNIQUE SELF. 390 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:59,358 Herb: AT THAT TIME, A VERY LUCKY THING HAPPENED. 391 00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:04,997 I WAS AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN ESTATE THAT COLUMBIA OWNED 392 00:26:05,031 --> 00:26:06,332 IN RIVERDALE, 393 00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:07,800 A VERY LARGE ESTATE, 394 00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:11,838 THAT USED TO BE THE HOME OF THE PRESIDENT. 395 00:26:11,871 --> 00:26:13,973 AND I WENT TO HIM WITH A PROPOSITION 396 00:26:14,006 --> 00:26:17,910 THAT IF HE ALLOWED ME TO RAISE THE CHIMP THERE, 397 00:26:17,944 --> 00:26:19,979 I'D PAY FOR THE HEAT. 398 00:26:20,012 --> 00:26:23,015 AND HE SAID, "SURE." 399 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:33,860 Laura-Ann: THIS WAS AMAZING. 400 00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:38,397 THIS WAS A FAIRY TALE. 401 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:42,401 Herb: WE GOT--IT WAS A 28-ACRE ESTATE, 402 00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:44,904 SURROUNDED BY LOVELY GARDENS, 403 00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:49,275 AND THAT ALLOWED ME TO PUT UP NIM'S TEACHERS 404 00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:54,413 IN MAGNIFICENT SURROUNDINGS AND NOT PAY ANY RENT. 405 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:57,183 LIFE WAS GOOD. 406 00:26:57,216 --> 00:27:00,887 Laura-Ann: NIM GOT OUT OF THE CAR, 407 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,890 RAN UP TO THE FRONT DOOR, 408 00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:05,892 ROLLED DOWN THE HILL, 409 00:27:05,925 --> 00:27:07,994 AND HE WAS GONE. 410 00:27:08,027 --> 00:27:10,697 HE WAS FREE. 411 00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:20,072 SO THERE WAS NO REACTION 412 00:27:20,106 --> 00:27:24,977 AT HAVING TAKEN HIM OUT OF STEPHANIE'S HOUSE. 413 00:27:25,011 --> 00:27:26,913 HE WAS FINE. 414 00:27:26,946 --> 00:27:31,684 AND IT WAS LIKE HE HAD BEEN THERE HIS WHOLE LIFE. 415 00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:38,691 Herb: HE CERTAINLY WAS A DIFFERENT CHIMPANZEE 416 00:27:38,725 --> 00:27:42,228 IN THIS MANSION THAN HE WAS WITH STEPHANIE. 417 00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:46,332 UM, SO, I SORT OF GOT INTO MORE, 418 00:27:46,365 --> 00:27:50,837 YOU KNOW, INTERACTING WITH HIM. 419 00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:55,474 Laura-Ann: HERB'S POWER AS A PROFESSOR... 420 00:27:55,507 --> 00:28:02,014 HIS AGE, COMPLETELY IMPACTED ME. 421 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:04,150 HE WAS MY MODEL. 422 00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:08,320 Herb: WE REALLY CLICKED TOGETHER. 423 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:15,461 Laura-Ann: I WANTED SO MUCH TO BE A PART OF HIS WORLD. 424 00:28:15,494 --> 00:28:20,733 I WANTED TO BE IN THAT WORLD OF ACADEMIA. 425 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:26,939 Herb: I HAD STRONG PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT LAURA. 426 00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:29,842 BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, IN ANY WAY, 427 00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:34,146 GOT IN THE WAY OF OUR SCIENCE. 428 00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:45,457 Laura-Ann: SOME OF THE--THE--THE DAILY BODILY REQUIREMENTS 429 00:28:45,491 --> 00:28:51,898 THAT NIM HAD HAD TO BE ADDRESSED, AND VERY QUICKLY. 430 00:28:52,431 --> 00:28:56,102 I EVENTUALLY COULDN'T HANDLE THE DIAPERS ANYMORE. 431 00:28:56,135 --> 00:29:00,006 HE WAS GETTING BIGGER, AND HE WAS EATING MORE OF OUR FOOD. 432 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:05,444 SO, PRAGMATICALLY, I HAD TO GET HIM OFF THOSE DIAPERS. 433 00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:08,214 I HAD WATCHED HIS FACIAL EXPRESSIONS 434 00:29:08,247 --> 00:29:10,082 WHEN HE NEEDED THE POTTY, 435 00:29:10,116 --> 00:29:12,284 AND I BEGAN TO SEE IT AND GRAB HIM 436 00:29:12,318 --> 00:29:15,387 AND BRING HIM TO THE POTTY. 437 00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:18,424 Herb: HE DID ACTUALLY USE THE TOILET CORRECTLY, 438 00:29:18,457 --> 00:29:22,328 BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT AS RELIABLE 439 00:29:22,361 --> 00:29:25,264 AS WHAT YOU'D SEE IN A CHILD. 440 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:32,504 Laura-Ann: THE IDEA WAS THAT I WOULD LIVE WITH NIM 441 00:29:32,538 --> 00:29:36,843 AND I WOULD TRAIN HIM FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME 442 00:29:36,876 --> 00:29:37,676 IN THE HOUSE, 443 00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:40,146 BUT THEN I WOULD BRING HIM IN EVERY DAY 444 00:29:40,179 --> 00:29:43,215 TO COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. 445 00:29:45,084 --> 00:29:48,888 Bill Tynan: THIS WAS AN EXPERIMENT TO TEACH OR SEE 446 00:29:48,921 --> 00:29:52,859 IF A CHIMPANZEE CAN LEARN SIGN LANGUAGE. 447 00:29:52,892 --> 00:29:55,127 I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING, 448 00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:56,328 INTELLECTUALLY INTERESTING, 449 00:29:56,362 --> 00:30:00,499 INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH CHIMPANZEES ARE LIKE US 450 00:30:00,532 --> 00:30:02,969 AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE NOT. 451 00:30:04,971 --> 00:30:07,006 AT THAT TIME, HE WAS TERRIBLY CUTE 452 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,608 AND GETTING LITTLE PHOTOS IN "NEW YORK MAGAZINE." 453 00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,211 THERE WAS A DAILY LESSON PLAN, IF YOU WILL. 454 00:30:12,244 --> 00:30:16,983 WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TEACH THESE PARTICULAR SIGNS, UH, TO NIM, 455 00:30:17,016 --> 00:30:21,120 AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO ALSO TEACH HIM 456 00:30:21,153 --> 00:30:21,954 EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES. 457 00:30:21,988 --> 00:30:25,491 UH, DRESS YOURSELF, UNDRESS YOURSELF. 458 00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,126 THIS SORT OF THING. 459 00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:29,962 Herb: LIKE CHILDREN, AFTER THEY LEARN A FEW WORDS, 460 00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:33,499 UH, NIM HAS SPONTANEOUSLY PUT SIGNS TOGETHER. 461 00:30:33,532 --> 00:30:35,868 IN MANY INSTANCES, WE ALLOW, 462 00:30:35,902 --> 00:30:37,436 UH, NIM TO USE HIS OWN SIGNS 463 00:30:37,469 --> 00:30:41,407 THAT HE ALMOST INVENTS, SO LONG AS THEY'RE CONSISTENT. 464 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,143 FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS THE SIGN FOR "PLAY," 465 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:46,012 UM, THAT HE INVENTED. 466 00:30:46,045 --> 00:30:48,314 HE'S LEARNING SIGNS RAPIDLY. 467 00:30:48,347 --> 00:30:49,481 THEY'RE GOING UP, UP, UP, UP, UP. 468 00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:52,651 Herb: THE PROJECT WAS LITERALLY HUMMING. 469 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:55,888 YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WAS GOING VERY SMOOTHLY. 470 00:30:55,922 --> 00:31:00,026 I HAVE A CHIMPANZEE WHO WAS MAKING HISTORY. 471 00:31:00,059 --> 00:31:02,995 WE DID GET A GRANT SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIME. 472 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:06,565 Laura-Ann: THE PROJECT HAD BEGUN TO ENTER THE MEDIA, 473 00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:09,068 SO THERE WAS ALL THIS EXCITEMENT 474 00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:10,636 AND HYPE ABOUT THE PROJECT. 475 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:13,039 WE WERE THRILLED. 476 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:19,211 WE'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN PERFORMING CHIMPANZEES 477 00:31:19,245 --> 00:31:21,413 ON TELEVISION OR IN CIRCUSES, 478 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,649 BUT NIM IS NO ORDINARY CHIMP. 479 00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:25,484 SINCE HE WAS A FEW WEEKS OLD, 480 00:31:25,517 --> 00:31:28,154 NIM HAS LIVED IN A CLOSE ASSOCIATION 481 00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:29,388 WITH A GROUP OF SCIENTISTS 482 00:31:29,421 --> 00:31:31,557 UNDER THE DIRECTION OF DR. HERBERT TERRACE 483 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:32,658 OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. 484 00:31:32,691 --> 00:31:35,627 THEY'RE PERFORMING A UNIQUE EXPERIMENT 485 00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:38,030 TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHETHER APES CAN BE TAUGHT 486 00:31:38,064 --> 00:31:42,301 TO COMMUNICATE WITH HUMANS USING LANGUAGE. 487 00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:44,303 HOW BIG WILL HE BE WHEN HE'S FULL-GROWN? 488 00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:45,437 OH, HE'S GOING TO BE BIG. 489 00:31:45,471 --> 00:31:49,575 HE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 5 FEET TALL, PERHAPS 150 POUNDS. 490 00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:53,512 AND SUPPOSEDLY 5 TO 6 TIMES THE STRENGTH OF A MAN. 491 00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:57,249 AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE HIM THEN? 492 00:31:57,283 --> 00:32:00,586 Bill: HE HAD GROWN, I GUESS HE WAS PROBABLY 493 00:32:00,619 --> 00:32:02,088 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 494 00:32:02,121 --> 00:32:04,223 UM, AND HE, YOU KNOW, 495 00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:07,226 IF YOU HAD TO HOLD HIM, YOU REALLY HAD TO HOLD HIM. 496 00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:11,197 AND HE'D GONE FROM BEING THIS MEEK LITTLE HUGGABLE TOY 497 00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:17,369 TO, UH, QUITE A ROBUST YOUNG CHIMPANZEE. 498 00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:21,740 HIS EYETEETH WERE NEVER TAKEN OUT, 499 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:26,078 WHICH MEANS THAT HE'S GOT FANGS, ESSENTIALLY, SITTING HERE. 500 00:32:26,112 --> 00:32:27,079 EXTREMELY STRONG JAW. 501 00:32:27,113 --> 00:32:31,583 IF YOU DIDN'T ASSERT DOMINANCE IN SOME FASHION, 502 00:32:31,617 --> 00:32:35,587 YOU WERE GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE EVENTUALLY. 503 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:39,191 Herb: HE COULD SIZE SOMEBODY UP IN 2 SECONDS, 504 00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:42,128 UH, WHETHER THEY WERE CONFIDENT 505 00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:44,363 OR SECRETLY UNCONFIDENT. 506 00:32:44,396 --> 00:32:46,765 Laura-Ann: IF I STOOD UP TOO QUICKLY, 507 00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:51,370 IF I ACCIDENTALLY SHOWED HIM MY BACK TOO QUICKLY, 508 00:32:51,403 --> 00:32:56,075 UH, IF I HAD FOOD AND I WOULDN'T--I DIDN'T THINK TO SHARE IT WITH HIM-- 509 00:32:56,108 --> 00:33:00,012 HE'D CROSS THAT THRESHOLD AND GO INTO ATTACK. 510 00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:04,383 YOU COULD TELL THAT HE WAS GETTING AN ATTITUDE. 511 00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,518 THE HAIR WOULD GO UP ON HIS ARMS, 512 00:33:06,552 --> 00:33:10,389 AND HE'D SORT OF GET THIS LOOK IN HIS FACE. 513 00:33:10,422 --> 00:33:11,090 [BARKING] 514 00:33:11,123 --> 00:33:13,392 Laura-Ann: WHEN HE WOULD BARK, 515 00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:16,128 I'D--I'D FEEL IT INSIDE, 516 00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:19,098 THAT--THE DANGER. 517 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:23,669 HE HAD TO LUNGE, THE CONTACT, 518 00:33:23,702 --> 00:33:26,205 THE RIP, THE TEAR, AND THE RELEASE. 519 00:33:26,238 --> 00:33:29,708 AND HE HAD TO DRAW BLOOD. 520 00:33:30,309 --> 00:33:35,447 Herb: SHE DID NOT TELL ME THAT IN AN ALARMING MANNER. 521 00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:38,184 SHE WAS JUST REPORTING IT. 522 00:33:38,217 --> 00:33:40,319 MAYBE I WAS JUST TOO, UH, 523 00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:43,689 LOOKING AHEAD WITH BLINKERS AND NOT WANTING TO HEAR THAT. 524 00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:45,457 THIS IS 37 STITCHES. 525 00:33:45,491 --> 00:33:49,561 UM, I HAD 4 HERE. 9 HERE. 526 00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:52,298 THIS ONE SENT ME INTO THE HOSPITAL. 527 00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:54,633 THIS ONE, ACTUALLY, WAS THE MOST DANGEROUS ONE 528 00:33:54,666 --> 00:33:57,169 'CAUSE HE HIT A TENDON. 529 00:34:09,815 --> 00:34:10,816 IT'S A LOT OF WORK 530 00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:14,486 TO TAKE CARE OF AN ANIMAL THAT'S NOT YOUR SPECIES 531 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,854 WHO HAS THAT KIND OF ENERGY LEVEL. 532 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:19,091 I PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHIMPANZEES AND MONKEYS, 533 00:34:19,125 --> 00:34:23,162 SO I WAS AS BLIND AND AS IGNORANT 534 00:34:23,195 --> 00:34:24,830 AND AS NAIVE AS PROBABLY THEY CAME. 535 00:34:24,863 --> 00:34:27,699 I WAS ON A QUICK LEARNING CURVE. 536 00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:33,439 I HAVE HIGH ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM FOR A GOAL. 537 00:34:33,472 --> 00:34:35,207 AND HE WAS MY GOAL, APPARENTLY. 538 00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:38,610 Laura-Ann: JOYCE WAS A GREAT TEACHER. 539 00:34:38,644 --> 00:34:39,511 SHE SIGNED. 540 00:34:39,545 --> 00:34:43,649 SHE WAS COMPLETELY DEDICATED AND MOTIVATED. 541 00:34:43,682 --> 00:34:45,417 SHE WANTED TO DO THIS. 542 00:34:45,451 --> 00:34:48,320 THIS WAS FANTASTIC! 543 00:34:48,787 --> 00:34:52,524 Joyce Butler: HE BIT ME REALLY HARD, AND I BIT HIM ON THE EAR, 544 00:34:52,558 --> 00:34:53,659 RIGHT THEN AND THERE. 545 00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:56,628 AND I SAID "THAT'S OVER. YOU WILL NEVER BITE ME AGAIN." 546 00:34:56,662 --> 00:34:59,598 AND HE NEVER DID. 547 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,804 HE DID LIKE A LOT OF HUMAN BODY CONTACT. 548 00:35:05,837 --> 00:35:08,207 TYPICALLY, WHEN WE WOULD LEAVE THE PROPERTY, 549 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,577 HE WOULD BE REALLY ATTACHED TO YOU. 550 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:17,816 THE WORLD WOULD SCARE HIM, SO HE WOULD ALWAYS COME CLOSE. 551 00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:25,791 BILL AND I HUNG TIGHT WITH NIM. 552 00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:30,629 Bill: WE SORT OF HIT IT OFF IN A LOT OF OUR DIFFERENT THINKING. 553 00:35:30,662 --> 00:35:33,765 SHE AND I GOT TOGETHER AS A COUPLE. 554 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,567 [BILL LAUGHS] 555 00:35:35,601 --> 00:35:37,536 Joyce: IT HELPED THAT WE LIKED EACH OTHER. 556 00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:41,273 AND I THINK THAT THAT HELPED NIM'S LIFE, 557 00:35:41,307 --> 00:35:44,176 BECAUSE WE ENJOYED EACH OTHER'S COMPANY, 558 00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:46,178 SO WE WOULD DO THINGS TOGETHER, 559 00:35:46,212 --> 00:35:50,449 AND WE WOULD HANG OUT AS KIND OF A UNIT. 560 00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:57,323 OH, HE LOVED THE CATS. 561 00:35:57,556 --> 00:35:59,658 Bill: HE WAS REALLY, REALLY TENDER WITH THE CAT, 562 00:35:59,691 --> 00:36:03,662 AND HE'D HOLD IT AND HE'D JUST LIKE TO FEEL THE TOUCH. 563 00:36:03,695 --> 00:36:05,664 SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 564 00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:08,867 HE'D, LIKE-- WOULD HOLD HER AND BE LIKE... 565 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:09,901 AND YOU COULD SEE HIM, LIKE, SHAKING 566 00:36:09,935 --> 00:36:12,271 BECAUSE HE'D BE LIKE SO EXCITED THAT HE HAD HER. 567 00:36:12,304 --> 00:36:15,941 HE ACTUALLY, LIKE, KIND OF PUSHED HER DOWN ON THE GROUND, 568 00:36:15,974 --> 00:36:17,509 AND THEN CURLED AROUND HER 569 00:36:17,543 --> 00:36:22,614 AND JUST, LIKE, LAY THERE LIKE, "I'M IN HEAVEN." 570 00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:39,665 Bill: I WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS FAIRLY CLEAR 571 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:43,469 THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING MORE GOING ON THAN THE PROJECT, 572 00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:46,004 AT LEAST FROM HIS SIDE. 573 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:49,775 AND I THINK WE ALL FELT IT, AND WE KIND OF HAD-- 574 00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:51,877 I DON'T WANT TO SAY RESENTMENT, 575 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,345 BUT IT WAS LIKE, "HUH, JEEZ, 576 00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:56,515 WOULD HE SORT OF STOP THIS LAURA THING?" 577 00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:59,885 IF SOMEONE SHOWED ME SOME ATTENTION, 578 00:36:59,918 --> 00:37:04,490 I THOUGHT IT MEANT THAT THEY CARED FOR ME. 579 00:37:05,924 --> 00:37:08,294 HE HAD POWER. 580 00:37:09,628 --> 00:37:15,033 I AM SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UNCONSCIOUSLY, I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER. 581 00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:18,837 UM, SOMEBODY ADMIRES YOU. 582 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:21,540 UM, WHY NOT? 583 00:37:22,308 --> 00:37:25,377 SO, YEAH, WE VERY BRIEFLY GOT INVOLVED, 584 00:37:25,411 --> 00:37:31,383 AND HE VERY, VERY BRIEFLY AND ABRUPTLY GOT OUT OF IT. 585 00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:37,656 THE ENTANGLEMENT COMPLETELY AFFECTED MY DECISION TO LEAVE. 586 00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:42,928 IT'S THE HUMANS I WANTED TO LEAVE, NOT THE CHIMP. 587 00:37:42,961 --> 00:37:45,063 HERB DIDN'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN. 588 00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:49,401 HE WENT INTO A VERY ENTHUSIASTIC MODE 589 00:37:49,435 --> 00:37:52,070 OF TRYING TO CONVINCE ME NOT TO GO. 590 00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:53,672 I WASN'T PANICKED. 591 00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:55,407 I WASN'T PANICKED THAT THE PROJECT 592 00:37:55,441 --> 00:37:58,610 WAS JUST GOING TO GRIND TO A HALT BECAUSE LAURA LEFT. 593 00:37:58,644 --> 00:38:01,747 AS I RECALL, JOYCE AND BILL 594 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:03,349 PRETTY MUCH TOOK CARE OF THAT. 595 00:38:03,382 --> 00:38:10,456 SO, I DIDN'T LOSE ANY CRUCIAL ASPECT OF THE PROJECT. 596 00:38:14,993 --> 00:38:19,531 I STARTED TO GO TO GET THE BOXES TO LEAVE, 597 00:38:19,565 --> 00:38:23,769 AND NIM PULLED LOOSE FROM THE PERSON'S HAND, 598 00:38:23,802 --> 00:38:27,573 HE CLIMBS TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. 599 00:38:27,606 --> 00:38:31,843 THEN HE MUST HAVE LUNGED 25 FEET. 600 00:38:31,877 --> 00:38:33,912 [NIM SCREECHES] 601 00:38:33,945 --> 00:38:36,515 HE LANDED ON ME, 602 00:38:36,548 --> 00:38:39,785 HE TOOK MY HEAD, 603 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:45,724 AND HE STARTED POUNDING IT INTO THE PAVEMENT. 604 00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:52,364 IT TOOK 4 MALES TO GET HIM OFF ME. 605 00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:02,140 HE WASN'T MY CHILD. 606 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:03,742 HE WASN'T MY BABY. 607 00:39:03,775 --> 00:39:07,679 YOU CAN'T GIVE HUMAN NURTURING 608 00:39:07,713 --> 00:39:11,617 TO AN ANIMAL THAT COULD KILL YOU. 609 00:39:21,593 --> 00:39:25,030 Herb: ONE OF THE EASY PARTS OF THE PROJECT 610 00:39:25,063 --> 00:39:28,434 WAS TO ADVERTISE FOR TEACHERS. 611 00:39:28,467 --> 00:39:31,670 I SAID, "OH, THIS IS NICE." 612 00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:32,638 [LAUGHS] 613 00:39:32,671 --> 00:39:35,073 I DIDN'T SET OUT TO HAVE WOMEN ON THE PROJECT 614 00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:37,709 PREDOMINANTLY, BUT IT CERTAINLY TURNED OUT THAT WAY. 615 00:39:37,743 --> 00:39:40,812 AND, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT TURNED OUT, 616 00:39:40,846 --> 00:39:42,448 THAT'S THE WAY IT TURNED OUT. 617 00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:45,651 I WAS A TRAINED INTERPRETER FOR THE DEAF. 618 00:39:45,684 --> 00:39:47,152 WHEN I SET MY MIND TO SOMETHING, 619 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,921 I GET WHAT I WANT. 620 00:39:49,955 --> 00:39:51,523 I KEPT SAYING, I WANT TO LIVE HERE. 621 00:39:51,557 --> 00:39:53,625 WHEN AM I MOVING IN? WHEN DO I GET TO MOVE IN? 622 00:39:53,659 --> 00:39:59,431 AND I WOULD ANNOY HERB, AND FINALLY HE LET ME MOVE IN. 623 00:39:59,465 --> 00:40:01,032 Herb: PROBABLY AS TIME WENT ON, 624 00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:07,172 IT MAY BECOME MORE DIFFICULT FOR WOMEN TO WORK WITH HIM. 625 00:40:07,205 --> 00:40:08,306 HE WAS GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM, 626 00:40:08,339 --> 00:40:13,111 AND HE WAS BIG ENOUGH AND STRONG ENOUGH THAT HE COULD. 627 00:40:13,144 --> 00:40:15,881 I MEAN, IT HURT. HIS BITES HURT. 628 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:18,617 YOU FELT-- WHEN HE BIT YOUR HAND, HE GOT THE NERVE, 629 00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:22,488 AND YOU'D GET A RUNNING SHOCK UP YOUR ARM. 630 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:26,958 WE HAD EPIC BATTLES. 631 00:40:26,992 --> 00:40:29,027 BUT WE MADE UP. 632 00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:31,697 HE'D MAKE THAT FACE AND SIGN, "SORRY." 633 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:36,802 AND SO--"WELL, IF I SIGN THIS, SHE'LL FORGIVE ME." 634 00:40:37,769 --> 00:40:39,237 I HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH A CHIMPANZEE, 635 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:43,074 AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ANOTHER SPECIES. 636 00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:48,580 Joyce: IT'S NOT JUST HIM SIGNING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME, 637 00:40:48,614 --> 00:40:51,116 IT WAS WHAT HE WAS THINKING AND EXPERIENCING, 638 00:40:51,149 --> 00:40:53,952 BECAUSE WE WOULD TALK WHEN WE WOULD HANG OUT. 639 00:40:53,985 --> 00:40:56,622 YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE THINGS WE WOULD SEE, 640 00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:58,890 THE THINGS WE WOULD HEAR. 641 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,059 AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, 642 00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:03,128 OUR CLASSROOM WAS THE HOUSE AND THE YARD 643 00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:06,498 AND THE FIELD TRIPS THAT WE WOULD TAKE. 644 00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:17,943 Herb: SCIENCE IS A VERY OBJECTIVE ENTERPRISE. 645 00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:20,011 YOU CAN'T HAVE PERSONAL ANECDOTES 646 00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,914 OF HOW I WORKED WITH NIM UP AT DELAFIELD 647 00:41:22,948 --> 00:41:24,182 AS OPPOSED TO THE CLASSROOM. 648 00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:27,853 THAT'S JUST OF NO INTEREST TO A SCIENTIST. 649 00:41:27,886 --> 00:41:33,024 JOYCE DID NOT SEE ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE CLASSROOM. 650 00:41:33,058 --> 00:41:35,260 HATED IT. HATED IT. HATED IT. 651 00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:36,828 HE HATED IT. WE HATED IT. 652 00:41:36,862 --> 00:41:37,929 THAT'S NOT SURPRISING, 653 00:41:37,963 --> 00:41:41,099 BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T GET THE RESULTS IN THE CLASSROOM, 654 00:41:41,132 --> 00:41:43,268 UH, THAT I WAS HOPING FOR. 655 00:41:43,301 --> 00:41:46,071 DICK, DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS? 656 00:41:46,104 --> 00:41:46,972 Dick: YEAH. 657 00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:48,206 Bill: GOING INTO A DUNGEON OF A CLASSROOM, 658 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,676 WHICH IT REALLY WAS-- I MEAN, THE THING WAS 15 FEET SQUARE, 659 00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:54,580 INCLUDING THE OBSERVATION BOOTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 660 00:41:54,613 --> 00:41:57,616 NO WINDOWS, NO PLACE, REALLY, TO HAVE ANY ACTIVITY. 661 00:41:57,649 --> 00:42:00,251 TRYING TO GET NIM'S ATTENTION WAS A BIT OF A STRUGGLE. 662 00:42:00,285 --> 00:42:05,090 AND HE WOULD HAVE RATHER BEEN DOING SOMETHING ELSE. 663 00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,696 PAY ATTENTION TO ME. 664 00:42:12,664 --> 00:42:14,833 SHH. 665 00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:18,069 SO THIS IS THE SIGN FOR "DIRTY." 666 00:42:18,103 --> 00:42:20,806 SO WE USED IT FOR TOILET, FOR HIM, 667 00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:23,842 BECAUSE IT'S A CONTACT SIGN. 668 00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:27,713 HE WOULD JUMP THROUGH THE SIGNS 669 00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:28,814 THAT I ASKED HIM TO JUMP THROUGH, 670 00:42:28,847 --> 00:42:29,881 AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH, 671 00:42:29,915 --> 00:42:33,652 AND HE WOULD SAY, "I NEED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM." 672 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:38,624 WHAT? 673 00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:41,226 AND THAT'S WHEN I KNEW, 674 00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:44,896 YOU LITTLE BUGGER. [CHUCKLES] 675 00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:45,864 YOU USED THAT SIGN 676 00:42:45,897 --> 00:42:48,266 BECAUSE YOU KNEW IT WOULD MAKE US LEAVE THERE 677 00:42:48,299 --> 00:42:51,036 AND GET US OUT OF THERE. 678 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,043 Bill: HE WAS GROWING SMARTER AND SMARTER. 679 00:42:58,810 --> 00:43:02,380 AND SMARTER IN THE SENSE OF RECOGNIZING SITUATIONS 680 00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:04,149 THAT HE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, 681 00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:07,786 WHEN HE COULD GET WHAT HE WANTED. 682 00:43:15,994 --> 00:43:19,898 Renee Falitz: HE WAS STARTING TO DISCOVER HIMSELF. 683 00:43:19,931 --> 00:43:22,133 THERE WAS A BIG ROCK IN THE FRONT YARD 684 00:43:22,167 --> 00:43:24,736 AND HE USED TO LIKE TO HUMP IT. 685 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:27,272 [LAUGHS] AND I'D SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HURT YOURSELF. 686 00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:28,206 THAT'S A ROCK! 687 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,207 LIKE, LOOK AT HIMSELF AND GO, "WHAT'S THAT?" 688 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:33,311 AS THIS WHOLE THING WITH THE PHYSICALITY BECAME, 689 00:43:33,344 --> 00:43:34,880 UM, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE, 690 00:43:34,913 --> 00:43:35,847 WE WERE MUCH MORE CAUTIOUS, I THINK, 691 00:43:35,881 --> 00:43:38,950 ABOUT LETTING THE CATS AROUND-- AROUND HIM, 692 00:43:38,984 --> 00:43:42,387 LETTING HIM PLAY WITH-- PLAY WITH THE CATS. 693 00:43:44,322 --> 00:43:45,556 Joyce: HE WOULD EVEN TRY TO-- 694 00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:49,260 NOT ENGAGE DIRECTLY IN SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE ANIMALS, 695 00:43:49,294 --> 00:43:52,664 BUT DEFINITELY TO BRING THEM TO HIM 696 00:43:52,698 --> 00:43:55,300 AND TO HIS PENIS AREA. 697 00:43:58,369 --> 00:44:03,641 AND I JUST SAID, "NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR." 698 00:44:08,246 --> 00:44:09,147 LET GO. 699 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:11,783 Bill: WE REALIZED-- I THINK ALL OF US DID-- 700 00:44:11,817 --> 00:44:14,452 IT WAS BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT 701 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,688 TO PURSUE THE EXPERIMENT. 702 00:44:16,722 --> 00:44:20,792 Joyce: NIM WAS SCRATCHING HARD, HE WAS BITING HARDER, 703 00:44:20,826 --> 00:44:24,395 BITING MORE OFTEN, BITING MORE PEOPLE. 704 00:44:24,429 --> 00:44:27,966 Bill: WE HAD MENTIONED THE GROWING CONCERN 705 00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:29,735 THAT WE HAD AND ABOUT HOW TO, YOU KNOW, 706 00:44:29,768 --> 00:44:31,236 SORT OF HOW TO DEAL WITH NIM. 707 00:44:31,269 --> 00:44:32,037 [NIM SCREECHES] 708 00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:33,104 HE DOESN'T WANT TO JUMP INTO MY ARMS. 709 00:44:33,138 --> 00:44:36,341 DR. TERRACE WAS PRETTY MUCH AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD. 710 00:44:36,374 --> 00:44:38,076 Joyce: HERB WAS NEVER ALONE WITH NIM, 711 00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:41,279 AND HERB NEVER HAD TO SPEND ANY KIND OF TIME WITH HIM. 712 00:44:41,312 --> 00:44:42,914 [NIM CHIRPS] 713 00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:44,983 ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW, PHOTO SHOOTS, 714 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:46,251 FOR HIM TO EITHER TAKE PHOTOS 715 00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:49,354 OR FOR HIM TO HAVE PHOTOS TAKEN OF HIM. 716 00:44:51,857 --> 00:44:54,726 Herb: YES, THERE WERE OCCASIONAL BITES. 717 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,295 I IMAGINE THEY INCREASED IN FREQUENCY 718 00:44:57,328 --> 00:44:58,897 JUST BECAUSE NIM WAS GETTING OLDER. 719 00:44:58,930 --> 00:45:03,802 IN THAT SENSE, HE WAS BECOMING MORE CHIMP-LIKE. 720 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:09,841 BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A CAUSE FOR ALARM, AT THAT POINT. 721 00:45:10,341 --> 00:45:12,110 Renee: IT WAS THE END OF JULY. 722 00:45:12,143 --> 00:45:14,245 IT WAS JULY 28th. 723 00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:16,247 AND BILL HAD HIM, 724 00:45:16,281 --> 00:45:20,018 AND WE DID THE BODY-TO-BODY TRANSFER. 725 00:45:20,919 --> 00:45:23,989 I MEAN YOU'RE-- YOU'RE HOLDING-- YOU'RE HOLDING NIM, 726 00:45:24,022 --> 00:45:25,456 AND THE OTHER PERSON COMES UP, 727 00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:28,059 AND YOU JUST KIND OF HAND THE CHIMP 728 00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:28,994 TO THE OTHER PERSON. 729 00:45:29,027 --> 00:45:33,131 AND I SAID, "COME ON," AND I GOT THE TETHER, 730 00:45:33,164 --> 00:45:35,834 YOU KNOW, WE-- YOU GOT THE LOOP FIRST, 731 00:45:35,867 --> 00:45:38,136 AND I THEN TIED IT TO MY BELT. 732 00:45:38,169 --> 00:45:39,304 "COME HERE." 733 00:45:39,337 --> 00:45:44,142 AND HE CAME OVER, AND HE PUT HIS ARMS AROUND ME. "AAH." 734 00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:46,377 HE JUST CRUNCHED MY FACE. 735 00:45:46,411 --> 00:45:50,248 IT JUST HAPPENED. 736 00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:51,382 [CHIMP SCREECHING] 737 00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:54,252 AND I GRABBED NIM AND JUST DRAGGED HIM INTO THE HOUSE, 738 00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:57,923 AND HE WAS LIKE, OHH! "SORRY, SORRY, SORRY." AND I'M, "NO, NO, NO." 739 00:45:57,956 --> 00:46:00,058 AND I PASSED THAT ARMOIRE WITH THAT MIRROR 740 00:46:00,091 --> 00:46:01,860 AND SAW ALL THIS BLOOD. 741 00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:04,029 HE'D BIT THROUGH MY CHEEK, 742 00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:05,864 ALMOST TO THE INSIDE OF MY MOUTH. 743 00:46:05,897 --> 00:46:10,368 IT WAS FOLDED OVER SO YOU COULD SEE INSIDE MY FACE. 744 00:46:13,939 --> 00:46:17,142 I DON'T RECALL IF SHE WENT TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, 745 00:46:17,175 --> 00:46:20,178 BUT I THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED. 746 00:46:20,211 --> 00:46:22,047 MM. 747 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,517 IT WAS JUST-- IT WAS JUST BAD. 748 00:46:26,551 --> 00:46:30,255 I WAS PROBABLY WORRIED THAT SHE WOULD SUE ME, 749 00:46:30,288 --> 00:46:34,325 UM, OR THIS WOULD BECOME A PUBLIC-- 750 00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:36,127 THIS WOULD BECOME PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT 751 00:46:36,161 --> 00:46:40,465 HOW...LIFE-THREATENING THE PROJECT MIGHT BE. 752 00:46:40,498 --> 00:46:45,170 THEY COULDN'T SEW IT BECAUSE OF THE INFECTION AND RISK OF INFECTION, 753 00:46:45,203 --> 00:46:50,976 SO I HAD AN OPEN, GAPING WOUND ON MY FACE FOR 3 MONTHS. 754 00:46:59,517 --> 00:47:01,152 AND WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE HOSPITAL, 755 00:47:01,186 --> 00:47:03,621 I SAID, YOU KNOW, I--I WANT TO SEE NIM. 756 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:07,525 HE WENT, "OOH," AND HE WENT TO REACH FOR MY FACE AGAIN. 757 00:47:07,558 --> 00:47:08,459 I WENT, "WHOA, THAT'S IT. 758 00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:11,629 I DON'T NEED CLOSURE NOW. I'M OUT OF HERE." 759 00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:15,366 I WAS SCARED. 760 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,303 I'M TENACIOUS, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO LET GO. 761 00:47:18,336 --> 00:47:22,273 IT'S SORT OF LIKE BREAKING UP WITH A BAD BOYFRIEND. 762 00:47:27,145 --> 00:47:29,881 Herb: I WAS SORRY THAT IT CAME TO THAT, 763 00:47:29,915 --> 00:47:33,651 BUT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW NIM IS GOING TO CHANGE, 764 00:47:33,684 --> 00:47:37,222 AND YOU JUST CAN'T COUNT ON HAVING 765 00:47:37,255 --> 00:47:40,525 OUTSTANDING TEACHERS ALL THE TIME. 766 00:47:48,299 --> 00:47:52,003 I FELT I WAS SPREADING MYSELF TOO THINLY 767 00:47:52,037 --> 00:47:54,272 AND EXPERIENCING TOO MUCH STRESS 768 00:47:54,305 --> 00:47:58,876 AND NOT ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, GOOD RESULTS. 769 00:48:02,113 --> 00:48:04,415 NOBODY KEEPS A CHIMP FOR MORE THAN 5 YEARS, 770 00:48:04,449 --> 00:48:08,519 BECAUSE AT 5 YEARS, THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR OWN STRENGTH 771 00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:11,957 AND THEY CAN DO A LOT OF DAMAGE TO PEOPLE. 772 00:48:17,462 --> 00:48:18,563 HE CALLED US TOGETHER 773 00:48:18,596 --> 00:48:22,067 AND DROPPED THE BOMB AND SAID, "IT'S OVER." 774 00:48:25,003 --> 00:48:28,639 I WAS ONE VERY ANGRY YOUNG WOMAN. 775 00:48:33,478 --> 00:48:36,714 YOU DON'T SAY, "WE'RE NOT DOING THIS ANYMORE," 776 00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:39,684 AND BECAUSE HERB HAD THAT CARD TO PLAY, 777 00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:43,488 HE PLAYED IT, 'CAUSE HE WAS IN THE POWER SEAT. 778 00:48:47,692 --> 00:48:49,460 Herb: I THINK I SAID, 779 00:48:49,494 --> 00:48:54,399 THERE'S NO POINT OF THIS GOING ON SCIENTIFICALLY. 780 00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:58,003 I FELT THAT NIM HAD PROGRESSED A LOT, 781 00:48:58,036 --> 00:49:01,339 AND WE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY ANALYZE OUR DATA. 782 00:49:01,372 --> 00:49:05,376 I JUST KNEW THAT WE HAD REAMS OF DATA. 783 00:49:08,446 --> 00:49:10,215 Bill: THIS WHOLE MASS OF DATA 784 00:49:10,248 --> 00:49:11,549 THAT NEEDED TO BE ORGANIZED, 785 00:49:11,582 --> 00:49:17,122 AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE A LONG AND TEDIOUS PROCESS. 786 00:49:17,155 --> 00:49:18,623 Herb: THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION WAS, 787 00:49:18,656 --> 00:49:22,193 "CAN A CHIMPANZEE CREATE A SENTENCE?" 788 00:49:22,227 --> 00:49:26,497 I DON'T THINK I HAD ANY DEFINITIVE CONCLUSION TO THAT. 789 00:49:26,531 --> 00:49:29,067 WE HAD TO WAIT AND SEE. 790 00:49:31,202 --> 00:49:32,570 IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, 791 00:49:32,603 --> 00:49:33,671 YOU GET-- YOU'RE ALMOST THERE 792 00:49:33,704 --> 00:49:37,242 AND YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONCLUSION, 793 00:49:37,275 --> 00:49:39,010 AND, UM, IT'S LIKE, 794 00:49:39,044 --> 00:49:43,148 OK. [CLICKS TONGUE] IT'S OVER. 795 00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:49,754 Herb: I THOUGHT THAT THE SURROUNDINGS IN WHICH HE WAS BORN 796 00:49:49,787 --> 00:49:56,227 WOULD PROVIDE THE MOST PSYCHOLOGICAL SUPPORT FOR NIM. 797 00:49:56,261 --> 00:50:00,665 I FELT THE BASIC NEEDS WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. 798 00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:03,201 [TELEPHONE RINGS] [CHIMPS CHATTERING] 799 00:50:03,234 --> 00:50:07,672 SO ONCE I GOT BILL LEMMON TO AGREE TO TAKE HIM BACK, 800 00:50:07,705 --> 00:50:09,507 THAT WAS IT. 801 00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:11,342 [RING] 802 00:50:22,353 --> 00:50:24,689 Joyce: I HOPE HE'LL BE OK. 803 00:50:24,722 --> 00:50:26,557 THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GO WITH HIM. 804 00:50:26,591 --> 00:50:28,126 I HOPE THAT I'LL BE ABLE 805 00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,261 TO INTRODUCE HIM TO HIS NEW LIFE 806 00:50:30,295 --> 00:50:34,099 BUT STILL HAVE AN OLD PART OF HIS LIFE WITH HIM--NAMELY ME. 807 00:50:34,132 --> 00:50:36,567 THEN HE CAN GET USED TO IT, AND I CAN FADE OUT, 808 00:50:36,601 --> 00:50:38,269 AND HE'LL BE FINE. 809 00:50:38,303 --> 00:50:44,142 IT WON'T JUST BE AN ABRUPT BREAK BETWEEN OLD AND NEW. 810 00:51:04,295 --> 00:51:07,365 Bill: AND WE GET NIM UP EARLY ONE MORNING. 811 00:51:08,366 --> 00:51:09,767 HE GETS A SHOT, AND HE'S OUT. 812 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,637 [THUNDER] [RAINING] 813 00:51:17,642 --> 00:51:23,581 Herb: I CHARTERED A PLANE AND HIRED A PILOT. 814 00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:33,791 Herb: NIM WAS GIVEN TRANQUILIZERS 815 00:51:33,824 --> 00:51:40,231 TO REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF HIS GETTING OUT OF HAND. 816 00:51:40,898 --> 00:51:45,636 IF HE WAS TRANQUILIZED, HE'D BE EASIER TO CONTROL 817 00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:49,807 AND NOT DO ANY DAMAGE TO THE PLANE, WHICH COULD BE QUITE DANGEROUS. 818 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,512 SO THAT'S HOW WE'D GET HIM TO OKLAHOMA. 819 00:51:54,545 --> 00:51:59,650 IT WAS JUST A NASTY THING TO DO. 820 00:51:59,684 --> 00:52:02,820 VERY DECEITFUL, I THINK. 821 00:52:05,523 --> 00:52:09,294 Herb: THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN OKLAHOMA? 822 00:52:09,327 --> 00:52:15,666 AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT, SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN. 823 00:52:44,629 --> 00:52:47,432 Joyce: "HOLY SHIT--" [CHUCKLES] 824 00:52:47,465 --> 00:52:48,699 WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT. 825 00:52:48,733 --> 00:52:51,336 [CHIMPS CHATTERING AND SCREECHING] 826 00:52:51,369 --> 00:52:53,571 AND I THINK HIS REACTION WAS, 827 00:52:53,604 --> 00:52:55,706 "HOLY SHIT," TOO. 828 00:52:55,740 --> 00:53:00,578 LIKE HE KNEW WE WERE-- HE KNEW IT WAS BAD. 829 00:53:01,446 --> 00:53:04,615 AND HE'D NEVER SEEN A CHIMP BEFORE. 830 00:53:04,649 --> 00:53:06,717 AND HE WAS HOLDING ON TIGHT. 831 00:53:06,751 --> 00:53:10,388 [CHIMP SCREECHING] 832 00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:13,824 YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU SEE CAGES, 833 00:53:13,858 --> 00:53:16,927 AND YOU HEAR THE SOUNDS OF--OF A LOT OF CHIMPANZEES. 834 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:19,497 WOULD I HAVE ENVISIONED THIS 835 00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:21,332 WHEN I STARTED ON THIS PROJECT, 836 00:53:21,366 --> 00:53:24,001 THAT HE EVER WOULD END UP THERE? NO. 837 00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:26,804 [PANTING AND GRUNTING] 838 00:53:28,373 --> 00:53:32,743 IT TURNED OUT TO BE A SURPRISINGLY MORE PRIMITIVE FACILITY 839 00:53:32,777 --> 00:53:35,246 THAN I REMEMBERED. 840 00:53:36,781 --> 00:53:38,649 'CAUSE OUR CAGES WERE CAGES. 841 00:53:38,683 --> 00:53:40,885 THEY WEREN'T JUST A ROOM WITH A LOCKED DOOR. 842 00:53:40,918 --> 00:53:42,353 THEY WERE CAGES. 843 00:53:42,387 --> 00:53:44,289 I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE A PRISON-- 844 00:53:44,322 --> 00:53:50,661 A REALLY STARK, UGLY, DARK, DANK PRISON. 845 00:53:51,862 --> 00:53:56,267 THEY HAD A CHAIN AROUND THEIR NECK WITH A LOCK. 846 00:53:57,802 --> 00:54:00,405 SHOULD YOU GET INTO A BAD FIGHT, 847 00:54:00,438 --> 00:54:03,341 YOU COULD GRAB THE CHAIN AND KEEP THEM OFF OF YOU. 848 00:54:03,374 --> 00:54:04,442 IT WAS LIKE PRISON BEHAVIOR. 849 00:54:04,475 --> 00:54:07,678 WE HAD TO PUT UP AN ELECTRIC FENCE AROUND THE ISLAND 850 00:54:07,712 --> 00:54:10,648 'CAUSE WE HAD HAD SEVERAL MURDERS 851 00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:12,717 AND 2 SUICIDES. 852 00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:15,520 THEY'D JUST PUSH THEM OUT INTO THE WATER. 853 00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:16,687 CHIMPS CAN'T SWIM. 854 00:54:16,721 --> 00:54:19,524 Joyce: DR. LEMMON RAN THE PLACE. 855 00:54:19,557 --> 00:54:22,793 I HAD AN IMMEDIATE HORRIBLE REACTION. 856 00:54:22,827 --> 00:54:26,364 HE WALKED AROUND WITH A CATTLE PROD. 857 00:54:28,032 --> 00:54:31,035 I REMEMBER TRYING TO PUSH NIM AWAY-- [CHUCKLES] 858 00:54:31,068 --> 00:54:33,003 BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO. 859 00:54:33,037 --> 00:54:38,743 AND NIM WAS SCREAMING AND HOLDING ON TO ME VERY TIGHTLY. 860 00:54:38,776 --> 00:54:41,479 AND THE ONLY REASON HE LET GO 861 00:54:41,512 --> 00:54:44,915 IS BECAUSE HE GOT ZAPPED WITH THE ELECTRIC PROD. 862 00:54:44,949 --> 00:54:47,985 [CHIMP SCREECHING] 863 00:54:49,554 --> 00:54:50,455 OK. IT'S OK, IT'S OK. 864 00:54:50,488 --> 00:54:52,323 Bill: COME HERE A MINUTE. MAC, COME HERE. 865 00:54:52,357 --> 00:54:55,360 MAC, COME HERE. COME HERE. PSST. COME HERE. 866 00:54:55,393 --> 00:54:59,764 THE REASONING BEHIND THE WHOLE MAC-NIM INTERACTION 867 00:54:59,797 --> 00:55:03,534 WAS THAT MAC WAS NOT DANGEROUS. 868 00:55:05,135 --> 00:55:06,671 Alyce: HE WAS SMALL, 869 00:55:06,704 --> 00:55:10,741 SO HE WAS NOT AN AGGRESSIVE, DOMINANT CHIMP. 870 00:55:10,775 --> 00:55:15,346 SO HE WAS THE PERFECT ONE FOR NIM TO START WITH. 871 00:55:17,848 --> 00:55:21,519 Bill, whispering; Hey, do you want a tickle? 872 00:55:21,552 --> 00:55:23,988 [GRUNTING] 873 00:55:27,057 --> 00:55:29,960 LOOK AT THAT. 874 00:55:29,994 --> 00:55:32,630 [INDISTINCT] 875 00:55:41,038 --> 00:55:43,474 SIT DOWN, MAC. SIT DOWN. 876 00:55:43,508 --> 00:55:46,677 [CHATTERS] 877 00:55:55,686 --> 00:55:59,657 OH, NO. HEY, MAC. UH-UH. BAH. 878 00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,167 Interviewer: HOW DID YOU EXPECT NIM TO REACT 879 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,137 TO HIS FIRST MEETING WITH ANOTHER CHIMP? 880 00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:14,572 Herb: I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS 881 00:56:14,605 --> 00:56:17,475 THAT NIM WAS VERY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT MAC, 882 00:56:17,508 --> 00:56:18,843 AND HE TOOK HIS TIME, AND THEN, 883 00:56:18,876 --> 00:56:23,481 WHEN HE WAS READY, YOU KNOW, HE AND MAC GOT IT OFF. 884 00:56:25,015 --> 00:56:26,517 I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THIS 885 00:56:26,551 --> 00:56:29,153 BECAUSE I CAN LEAVE NOW KNOWING THAT, UM, 886 00:56:29,186 --> 00:56:30,287 NIM HAS A FRIEND, 887 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,658 AND HE'S GOING TO WORRY LESS ABOUT HIS HUMAN COMPANIONS 888 00:56:33,691 --> 00:56:36,894 AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE OTHER CHIMP TO TURN TO. 889 00:56:36,927 --> 00:56:39,664 [INSECTS BUZZING] 890 00:56:44,669 --> 00:56:45,936 [CHIMPS CALLING] 891 00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:47,705 Bill: IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE, 892 00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:52,877 AND THAT'S WHEN I TOOK NIM AND PUT HIM IN THE CAGE. 893 00:56:55,245 --> 00:56:57,081 SURE, I DIDN'T WANT JOYCE DOING IT, 894 00:56:57,114 --> 00:56:59,717 SO I JUST SAID, WELL, I BETTER GO DO IT. 895 00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:01,486 I DIDN'T WANT TERRACE DOING IT. 896 00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:06,724 UM, SO I JUST DECIDED I WAS GOING TO DO IT. 897 00:57:07,157 --> 00:57:10,227 [GRUNTS] [METAL CLATTERS] 898 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,897 [RATTLES] 899 00:57:14,732 --> 00:57:16,000 YOU KNOW, WE COAXED HIM DOWN THERE, 900 00:57:16,033 --> 00:57:19,570 AND THEN--[SNIFFLES] BECAUSE HE TRUSTED US. 901 00:57:19,604 --> 00:57:21,872 I JUST LET HIM IN THERE AND TOOK THE LEAD 902 00:57:21,906 --> 00:57:24,709 AND TIED IT AROUND THE FAR END OF THE CAGE 903 00:57:24,742 --> 00:57:27,244 AND SAID GOOD-BYE AND WALKED OUT 904 00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:29,013 AND SHUT THE DOOR. 905 00:57:29,046 --> 00:57:31,749 [CHIMPS HOOTING] 906 00:57:34,552 --> 00:57:36,186 [DOOR RATTLES] 907 00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:39,023 [CREAKING] [RATTLES] 908 00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:44,729 HE WAS SORT OF HOOTING AND TRYING TO COME AFTER ME, 909 00:57:44,762 --> 00:57:47,264 UM, 'CAUSE HE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE HE WAS, 910 00:57:47,297 --> 00:57:52,102 BUT, UM, I JUST-- I JUST WALKED AWAY. 911 00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:54,805 AND THEN WHEN HE WASN'T LOOKING, 912 00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:58,242 HE RAN... OUT THE DOOR. 913 00:58:13,924 --> 00:58:15,926 I DID FEEL BADLY. 914 00:58:16,827 --> 00:58:20,598 UM, I FELT, IN A CERTAIN BASIC SENSE, 915 00:58:20,631 --> 00:58:21,966 THAT WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO 916 00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:26,637 TO SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WHO HAD BEEN PART OF MY LIFE FOR SO MANY YEARS, 917 00:58:26,671 --> 00:58:29,574 AND THAT I WAS DEFINITELY DOING SOMETHING 918 00:58:29,607 --> 00:58:34,144 THAT HE SOMEHOW WOULD FEEL WAS UNJUST OR WRONG. 919 00:58:39,717 --> 00:58:44,922 HE HAD A LITTLE DOLL OR SOMETHING THAT I THINK I LEFT. 920 00:58:50,227 --> 00:58:57,668 I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO HIM AND WE FAILED. 921 00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:03,340 WE DID A HUGE DISSERVICE TO THAT SOUL, 922 00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:06,010 AND SHAME ON US. 923 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,149 [METAL CLANGS] 924 00:59:12,182 --> 00:59:15,052 [CHIMPS HOOTING] 925 00:59:15,085 --> 00:59:17,321 Bob Ingersoll: ASSUMED, I GUESS WRONGLY, 926 00:59:17,354 --> 00:59:18,889 THAT NIM WAS GOING TO COME BACK 927 00:59:18,923 --> 00:59:20,124 AND HE WAS GOING TO BE CELEBRATED 928 00:59:20,157 --> 00:59:24,028 IN THE SENSE THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE THE GREAT SIGNING CHIMP. 929 00:59:24,795 --> 00:59:26,831 NO, EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. 930 00:59:26,864 --> 00:59:29,634 EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. 931 00:59:30,868 --> 00:59:32,603 NIM IN THE CAGE. 932 00:59:32,637 --> 00:59:36,373 NO SPECIAL TREATMENT, NO YOGURT, NO GRANOLA, 933 00:59:36,406 --> 00:59:37,775 NO--NONE OF THAT. 934 00:59:37,808 --> 00:59:41,245 IT WAS PRETTY TRAUMATIC FOR THE CHIMP. 935 00:59:41,278 --> 00:59:43,748 [METAL DOOR SHUTS] 936 00:59:46,751 --> 00:59:50,788 THEY CURL UP AND LAY DOWN. 937 00:59:50,821 --> 00:59:52,957 THEY LOSE INTEREST IN FOOD. 938 00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:55,693 THEY JUST... 939 00:59:57,928 --> 01:00:00,230 IT WAS A BAD START WITH NIM AND I. 940 01:00:00,264 --> 01:00:01,799 THE CHIMP IS VERY UPSET. 941 01:00:01,832 --> 01:00:05,235 AND HE JUST LOOKS AT ME AND HE JUMPS AND LUNGES AT ME 942 01:00:05,269 --> 01:00:09,273 AND BITES THROUGH AN ARTERY, RIGHT IN HERE. 943 01:00:09,306 --> 01:00:12,777 I DID USE A SMALL SHOCK STICK. 944 01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:15,145 [CHIMP SCREECHES] 945 01:00:15,179 --> 01:00:17,715 HE HAD TO GROW UP AND NOT BE 946 01:00:17,748 --> 01:00:21,686 A SINGLE SPOILED CHILD ANYMORE. 947 01:00:23,153 --> 01:00:25,022 SO YOU GOT TO SOCIALIZE, 948 01:00:25,055 --> 01:00:27,357 WORK ON HIS CHIMPANZEE 949 01:00:27,391 --> 01:00:29,426 AND MANNERS. 950 01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:32,362 [SCREECHING AND CHATTERING] 951 01:00:37,802 --> 01:00:39,704 EVERYBODY NEEDS A JOB, 952 01:00:39,737 --> 01:00:42,306 MEANING AND PURPOSE. 953 01:00:46,076 --> 01:00:49,279 I HAD THEM OUT. THEY WOULD HELP ME IN THE BIG KITCHEN 954 01:00:49,313 --> 01:00:52,082 WHERE WE PREPPED OUR FOOD AND DID STUFF. 955 01:00:52,116 --> 01:00:53,884 THEY'D SWEEP. 956 01:00:53,918 --> 01:00:55,920 NIM WAS A COMPULSIVE HAND-WASHER. 957 01:00:55,953 --> 01:00:58,188 HE'D DO DISHES. 958 01:00:58,222 --> 01:01:00,891 VANESSA LIKED TO DUST. 959 01:01:00,925 --> 01:01:05,429 LITTLE MAC LIKED TO CLEAN CAGES AND WEAR MY BOOTS. 960 01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:08,098 [CHATTERING] 961 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,936 THIS WAS A SPECIAL GROUP OF CHIMPS. 962 01:01:11,969 --> 01:01:14,138 YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T ORDINARY CHIMPS. 963 01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:18,709 YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE CAPACITY FOR HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS. 964 01:01:31,321 --> 01:01:34,224 [SCREECHING AND GRUNTING] 965 01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:44,835 Alyce: TERRACE CAME BACK A YEAR LATER. 966 01:01:45,502 --> 01:01:47,037 Bob: HERB ARRIVED, AND-- 967 01:01:47,071 --> 01:01:49,974 WITH STILL PHOTOGRAPHERS AND CAMERAS 968 01:01:50,007 --> 01:01:51,742 AND THAT SORT OF THING. 969 01:01:51,776 --> 01:01:55,712 IT WAS A SHOOT, AND IT WAS ARRANGED AS SUCH. 970 01:01:57,514 --> 01:02:00,751 THERE WAS NO QUESTION THAT HE WAS VERY HAPPY 971 01:02:00,785 --> 01:02:01,852 THAT HE COULD SEE ME AGAIN. 972 01:02:01,886 --> 01:02:05,422 THERE WAS NO ANGER THAT "WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME HERE?" 973 01:02:05,455 --> 01:02:11,128 IT WAS JUST "HEY, THAT'S GREAT, I'M GOING TO SEE HIM AGAIN." 974 01:02:11,896 --> 01:02:13,130 Bob: YOU COULD SEE THAT HE WAS LIKE, 975 01:02:13,163 --> 01:02:15,432 "HOLY SHIT, I'M GOING BACK TO NEW YORK!" 976 01:02:15,465 --> 01:02:16,801 IT WAS LIKE THAT, 977 01:02:16,834 --> 01:02:19,403 LIKE HE WAS GOING TO BE RESCUED. 978 01:02:19,436 --> 01:02:22,072 AND IT WAS-- 979 01:02:22,106 --> 01:02:24,408 IT WAS KIND OF SAD. 980 01:02:27,211 --> 01:02:28,512 Herb: I PLAYED WITH HIM. 981 01:02:28,545 --> 01:02:30,280 WE GOT INTO GAMES OF SIGNING. 982 01:02:30,314 --> 01:02:32,416 I REMEMBER I GOT HIM TO SIGN "HUG." 983 01:02:32,449 --> 01:02:33,383 I GOT HIM TO SIGN "HERB." 984 01:02:33,417 --> 01:02:36,386 IN FACT, I CAN GET ALMOST ANY SIGN OUT OF HIM. 985 01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:39,156 I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DRILL. 986 01:02:39,189 --> 01:02:43,794 SO IT WAS A VERY ENTERTAINING, COMFORTABLE AFTERNOON. 987 01:02:43,828 --> 01:02:46,496 NO BAD BEHAVIOR OF ANY KIND. 988 01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:49,333 Alyce: AT THE END OF THE DAY, LOOKS AT HIS WATCH, 989 01:02:49,366 --> 01:02:54,504 GIVES ME NIM BACK, AND FLIES OFF... 990 01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:56,807 AND IS GONE. 991 01:02:57,274 --> 01:03:00,010 NEXT MORNING, HE BARELY ATE. 992 01:03:00,044 --> 01:03:04,481 HE JUST STARTED TO CRATER. 993 01:03:06,316 --> 01:03:08,919 Bob: HERB NEVER CAME BACK. 994 01:03:08,953 --> 01:03:10,454 [CHIMPS SCREECH] 995 01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:13,057 I THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO BECOME NIM'S FRIEND. 996 01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:14,358 AND I'M GOING TO HANG WITH NIM, 997 01:03:14,391 --> 01:03:16,927 AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 998 01:03:16,961 --> 01:03:17,862 [CLATTER] 999 01:03:17,895 --> 01:03:19,463 I MEAN, THERE WASN'T MUCH I COULD DO FOR HIM 1000 01:03:19,496 --> 01:03:22,399 IN TERMS OF THE CAGE BUT GET HIM OUT. 1001 01:03:22,432 --> 01:03:24,301 [INSECTS BUZZ] 1002 01:03:24,334 --> 01:03:26,236 OH, YOU SAW THAT, HUH? 1003 01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:28,873 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1004 01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:31,375 SIT DOWN. SEE YOU LATER, NIM. 1005 01:03:34,511 --> 01:03:36,213 WE JUST LIKED EACH OTHER RIGHT OFF, 1006 01:03:36,246 --> 01:03:39,984 AND SOMETIMES, IT'S LIKE THAT. 1007 01:03:55,399 --> 01:03:58,035 CHIMPS AREN'T HUMANS. 1008 01:03:58,235 --> 01:03:59,503 YOU HAVE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND CHIMPS 1009 01:03:59,536 --> 01:04:05,009 TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK WITH THEM AND BE WITH THEM. 1010 01:04:09,279 --> 01:04:12,049 I TOOK HIM OUT ON WALKS. I DIDN'T BRING FOOD. 1011 01:04:12,082 --> 01:04:14,484 AND I DIDN'T DO THE KIND OF THINGS THAT-- 1012 01:04:14,518 --> 01:04:17,587 THAT WOULD INTERRUPT THE RELATIONSHIP 1013 01:04:17,621 --> 01:04:21,358 OR THE BUILDING OF THE RELATIONSHIP. 1014 01:04:24,461 --> 01:04:28,065 HE, YOU KNOW-- HE GROWS ON YOU QUICK. 1015 01:04:28,098 --> 01:04:29,399 HE'S--WAS SO CHARMING. 1016 01:04:29,433 --> 01:04:32,202 I MEAN IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT ANIMALS HAD 1017 01:04:32,236 --> 01:04:35,505 THAT KIND OF PERSONALITY LIKE OURS. 1018 01:04:37,041 --> 01:04:40,010 Alyce: AND YOU HAD TO BE TRUE OF HEART. 1019 01:04:40,044 --> 01:04:42,012 YOU HAD TO BE TRUE OF HEART. 1020 01:04:42,046 --> 01:04:43,580 IF YOU HAD DARK PLACES IN YOU, 1021 01:04:43,613 --> 01:04:47,217 THEY'D KNOW IT AND THEY WOULDN'T LIKE YOU. 1022 01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:07,237 GOOD MORNING. WITH US THIS MORNING IS DR. HERBERT TERRACE, 1023 01:05:07,271 --> 01:05:10,174 A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. 1024 01:05:10,207 --> 01:05:13,944 FOR SEVERAL YEARS, DR. TERRACE WAS IN CHARGE OF AN EXPERIMENT 1025 01:05:13,978 --> 01:05:16,046 WHERE HE AND SEVERAL OTHER HUMAN BEINGS 1026 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,548 TRIED TO TEACH A CHIMPANZEE NAMED NIM 1027 01:05:18,582 --> 01:05:19,716 THE SIGN LANGUAGE OF THE DEAF. 1028 01:05:19,749 --> 01:05:23,988 BUT NOW IN A BOOK JUST PUBLISHED, WHICH IS CALLED "NIM," 1029 01:05:24,021 --> 01:05:25,322 YOU'RE SAYING, DR. TERRACE, 1030 01:05:25,355 --> 01:05:28,258 THAT THESE EXPERIMENTS DON'T PROVE AS MUCH 1031 01:05:28,292 --> 01:05:30,327 AS YOU HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THEY DID? 1032 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,631 I CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT THE DATA. 1033 01:05:39,569 --> 01:05:44,074 I SUDDENLY SAW WHAT THE KEY TO THIS WAS. 1034 01:05:44,108 --> 01:05:47,577 NIM WAS A BRILLIANT BEGGAR. 1035 01:05:47,611 --> 01:05:51,315 HE LEARNED HOW TO BEG. 1036 01:05:51,348 --> 01:05:54,051 AND HE COULD WORK HIS TEACHERS 1037 01:05:54,084 --> 01:05:55,319 AND ALWAYS GET WHAT HE WANTED 1038 01:05:55,352 --> 01:05:57,487 BY MOVING HIS HANDS IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 1039 01:05:57,521 --> 01:06:01,358 AND MOST OF THE TIME, HE MOVED HIS HANDS IN THE WAYS 1040 01:06:01,391 --> 01:06:03,260 THAT THE TEACHER SUGGESTED, 1041 01:06:03,293 --> 01:06:07,664 AND THE MOTIVE OF SIGNING WAS NOT TO SAY, 1042 01:06:07,697 --> 01:06:11,101 "WHAT A NICE CAT YOU HAVE OVER THERE," 1043 01:06:11,135 --> 01:06:13,103 BUT "I WANT IT." 1044 01:06:13,137 --> 01:06:14,271 WHEN THE EXPERIMENTS WERE OVER, 1045 01:06:14,304 --> 01:06:17,407 YOU RETURNED NIM TO THE PRIMATE COLONY WHERE HE WAS BORN. 1046 01:06:17,441 --> 01:06:19,776 AND A YEAR AFTER THAT, YOU WENT BACK FOR A VISIT, 1047 01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:20,844 AND WE CAME ALONG WITH A CAMERA. 1048 01:06:20,877 --> 01:06:25,515 YOU AND HE ARE TALKING IN SIGN LANGUAGE HERE, RIGHT? 1049 01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:26,316 RIGHT. 1050 01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:27,651 AND HERE WE HAVE IT IN SLOW MOTION. 1051 01:06:27,684 --> 01:06:29,186 WHAT'S NIM SAYING? 1052 01:06:29,219 --> 01:06:32,789 HE'S SAYING, "GIVE NIM BANANA." 1053 01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:35,659 WHY IS IT THAT YOU'RE SAYING 1054 01:06:35,692 --> 01:06:37,461 THAT HE CAN'T SPEAK LIKE A HUMAN BEING? 1055 01:06:37,494 --> 01:06:41,798 WELL, A STRING OF SIGNS IS NOT NECESSARILY A SENTENCE. 1056 01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:45,702 UH, YOU CAN LEARN A LIST OF WORDS BY ROTE, 1057 01:06:45,735 --> 01:06:49,239 AND THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO USE GRAMMAR. 1058 01:06:49,273 --> 01:06:50,274 AREN'T YOU VERY DISAPPOINTED 1059 01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:53,043 THAT YOU SPENT ALL THIS TIME AND ALL THIS MONEY? 1060 01:06:53,077 --> 01:06:55,479 WELL, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY ELECTRIFYING NEWS, 1061 01:06:55,512 --> 01:06:56,646 ALMOST LIKE COMMUNICATING 1062 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,182 WITH A CREATURE FROM OUTER SPACE, 1063 01:06:58,215 --> 01:07:01,585 IF I COULD SHOW THAT ANOTHER ORGANISM 1064 01:07:01,618 --> 01:07:03,787 COULD USE LANGUAGE THE WAY HUMANS HAVE. 1065 01:07:03,820 --> 01:07:05,589 BUT IT DIDN'T WORK? IT DIDN'T WORK. 1066 01:07:05,622 --> 01:07:06,790 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR. TERRACE. 1067 01:07:06,823 --> 01:07:11,461 Woman: I HOPE SOMEBODY CAN STILL TALK TO NIM, IN ANY EVENT. 1068 01:07:25,842 --> 01:07:28,845 Bob: I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ARGUMENT AFTER A WHILE. 1069 01:07:28,878 --> 01:07:31,748 IT DIDN'T MATTER TO ME. 1070 01:07:32,716 --> 01:07:34,584 HE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD SENTENCES OR GRAMMAR, 1071 01:07:34,618 --> 01:07:38,488 BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE WAS COMMUNICATION GOING ON. 1072 01:07:38,522 --> 01:07:41,091 AND I SAW IT CLEARLY. 1073 01:07:47,664 --> 01:07:53,303 HE TALKED ABOUT THE TREES, THE BERRIES THAT HE FOUND. 1074 01:07:56,773 --> 01:07:58,608 HE LIKED TO PLAY. 1075 01:07:58,642 --> 01:08:01,145 FAVORITE SIGN, "PLAY." 1076 01:08:01,178 --> 01:08:03,713 HEY. [GRUNTING] 1077 01:08:06,516 --> 01:08:09,219 OH. [LAUGHING] 1078 01:08:09,753 --> 01:08:12,822 OH, HE CERTAINLY DOESN'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO GRAB. 1079 01:08:12,856 --> 01:08:15,625 [LAUGHTER] 1080 01:08:15,659 --> 01:08:20,297 HE KNEW WHAT POT WAS, OR HASH, OR WHATEVER. 1081 01:08:21,398 --> 01:08:24,634 [CHUCKLES] AND HE WANTED TO SMOKE A JOINT. 1082 01:08:24,668 --> 01:08:27,737 YEAH. I'M GOING TO ERASE IT. 1083 01:08:28,672 --> 01:08:31,375 STONE. 1084 01:08:31,408 --> 01:08:33,177 SMOKE. 1085 01:08:33,210 --> 01:08:34,278 NOW. 1086 01:08:34,311 --> 01:08:37,347 WHEN WE WENT OUT ON WALKS WITH NIM, NIM WAS ONE OF US. 1087 01:08:37,381 --> 01:08:39,783 AND IF WE SMOKED A JOINT, HE SMOKED IT WITH US. 1088 01:08:39,816 --> 01:08:42,852 IN THE CIRCLE, WE HANDED IT TO HIM. 1089 01:08:44,921 --> 01:08:47,324 CHIMPS ARE LIKE US. THEY'RE HEDONISTIC. 1090 01:08:47,357 --> 01:08:48,725 THEY LIKE TO DO PLEASURABLE THINGS. 1091 01:08:48,758 --> 01:08:49,826 THEY LIKE TO, YOU KNOW-- 1092 01:08:49,859 --> 01:08:54,431 THEY LIKE TO HAVE FUN, AND, I MEAN, HELL, WHO DOESN'T? 1093 01:08:58,902 --> 01:09:04,608 Alyce: AND THERE'S SOMETHING IN MARIJUANA THAT... 1094 01:09:04,641 --> 01:09:06,543 THEY WEREN'T AGGRESSIVE. 1095 01:09:06,576 --> 01:09:07,811 YOU TALK LESS. 1096 01:09:07,844 --> 01:09:09,746 YOU DO DIFFERENT THINGS. 1097 01:09:09,779 --> 01:09:12,449 YOU ENJOY EACH OTHER. 1098 01:09:14,284 --> 01:09:16,953 Bob: LILY AND NIM 1099 01:09:16,986 --> 01:09:21,157 LIVED TOGETHER IN THE PIG BARN. 1100 01:09:22,426 --> 01:09:25,362 Alyce: BOTH OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE MANY CHIMP FRIENDS. 1101 01:09:25,395 --> 01:09:29,299 AND THEN THEY BECAME FRIENDS. 1102 01:09:29,333 --> 01:09:32,336 [CHIMPS CHATTERING AND GRUNTING] 1103 01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:37,641 THEY WERE SEEN COPULATING. 1104 01:09:37,674 --> 01:09:39,543 AND WE THINK NIM MIGHT HAVE BEEN 1105 01:09:39,576 --> 01:09:42,646 THE FATHER OF LILY'S BABY. 1106 01:09:55,592 --> 01:09:58,395 I HAD THE BEST TIME OF MY LIFE. I STILL SAY THAT. 1107 01:09:58,428 --> 01:09:59,929 I'VE NEVER HAD SUCH A GOOD TIME, 1108 01:09:59,963 --> 01:10:02,332 EXCEPT MAYBE AT A GRATEFUL DEAD SHOW. 1109 01:10:02,366 --> 01:10:03,933 [CHUCKLES] PRETTY CLOSE. 1110 01:10:03,967 --> 01:10:05,802 I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH ONE I-- 1111 01:10:05,835 --> 01:10:07,237 ACTUALLY, BEING WITH NIM-- 1112 01:10:07,271 --> 01:10:08,705 I'D RATHER BE WITH NIM THAN JERRY, 1113 01:10:08,738 --> 01:10:12,676 AND THAT'S--FOR ME, THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING. 1114 01:10:15,379 --> 01:10:17,414 THAT'S REAL-- YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 1115 01:10:17,447 --> 01:10:19,883 THAT'S A BANANA? [SQUEAKS] 1116 01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:22,719 YOU WANT TO EAT THE SHOE? GO FOR IT. 1117 01:10:22,752 --> 01:10:24,288 [CHUCKLES] 1118 01:10:24,321 --> 01:10:27,223 THAT'S A SHOE, THIS IS A BERRY. 1119 01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:42,839 AND THAT'S WHEN MAHONEY STARTED SHOWING UP. 1120 01:10:43,940 --> 01:10:47,277 HE WAS STANDING AROUND LOOKING AT CHIMPS 1121 01:10:47,311 --> 01:10:49,679 AND WRITING IN HIS PAD AND WHATEVER, 1122 01:10:49,713 --> 01:10:52,048 AND WHEN SOMEONE-- 1123 01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,216 WHEN I FOUND OUT WHO HE WAS-- 1124 01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:56,052 AND I'M SURE IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG FOR ME TO FIGURE IT OUT, 1125 01:10:56,085 --> 01:10:57,186 I WAS--OOH. 1126 01:10:57,220 --> 01:11:00,724 OBVIOUSLY, HE WAS CHECKING OUT THE CHIMPS FOR THE LAB. 1127 01:11:00,757 --> 01:11:03,793 LEMSIP IS BEST KNOWN BY ITS ACRONYM, 1128 01:11:03,827 --> 01:11:05,529 L-E-M-S-I-P, WHICH IS 1129 01:11:05,562 --> 01:11:07,931 "LABORATORY FOR EXPERIMENTAL MEDICINE 1130 01:11:07,964 --> 01:11:10,066 AND SURGERY IN PRIMATES." 1131 01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:13,937 HE REPRESENTED THE DEVIL TO ME. 1132 01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:17,073 MOST OF THE WORK THAT WE DID WITH THE CHIMPANZEES, 1133 01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:21,044 FOR EXAMPLE, WAS, UM, 1134 01:11:21,077 --> 01:11:25,815 TESTING VARIOUS CANDIDATE VACCINES 1135 01:11:25,849 --> 01:11:28,418 FOR, LIKE, HEPATITIS B, 1136 01:11:28,452 --> 01:11:31,621 HEPATITIS C, HIV, AIDS. 1137 01:11:31,655 --> 01:11:34,391 I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT 1138 01:11:34,424 --> 01:11:38,328 TO FUND THE KINDS OF RESEARCH 1139 01:11:38,362 --> 01:11:39,996 THAT I HAPPEN TO BE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN. 1140 01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:45,001 IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO FUND SOCIAL RESEARCH IN GENERAL. 1141 01:11:45,602 --> 01:11:49,406 Dr. James Mahoney: WE HEARD ABOUT DR. LEMMON'S PROBLEMS, 1142 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,509 WHICH WERE FINANCIAL. 1143 01:11:52,742 --> 01:11:54,444 IT WAS FINALLY ARRANGED THAT, YES, 1144 01:11:54,478 --> 01:11:59,015 WE WOULD TAKE A VERY LARGE PART OF THEIR COLONY. 1145 01:12:00,917 --> 01:12:04,588 I THOUGHT LEMMON WAS TRYING TO SCARE THE UNIVERSITY. 1146 01:12:04,621 --> 01:12:05,889 I THOUGHT THEY WOULD-- 1147 01:12:05,922 --> 01:12:09,025 THEY WOULD GO, "OH, GOSH, YOU CAN'T SELL THEM TO A MEDICAL LAB. 1148 01:12:09,058 --> 01:12:10,460 WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING." 1149 01:12:10,494 --> 01:12:12,762 I THOUGHT THE COMMUNITY WOULD RISE ITSELF UP. 1150 01:12:12,796 --> 01:12:16,032 BOB AND I TRIED SO HARD WITH PUBLIC APPEAL 1151 01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:18,435 FOR SOMETHING FOR THE CHIMPS, 1152 01:12:18,468 --> 01:12:21,505 AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE. 1153 01:12:21,538 --> 01:12:23,907 AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER THAT, 1154 01:12:23,940 --> 01:12:26,075 THE CHIMPS WERE INDEED SOLD. 1155 01:12:26,109 --> 01:12:28,878 [CHIMPS SCREECHING] 1156 01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:35,852 Interviewer: OF THE CHIMPS THAT ARE BEING SENT OFF 1157 01:12:35,885 --> 01:12:36,986 TO THE LAB TODAY, 1158 01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:39,756 HOW MANY OF THEM WERE SUBJECTS OF THE SIGNING RESEARCH? 1159 01:12:39,789 --> 01:12:45,995 ONLY ONE WAS RESTRICTED TO SIGNING RESEARCH. 1160 01:12:46,029 --> 01:12:47,931 THIS IS NIM. 1161 01:12:50,534 --> 01:12:52,769 [METAL CLANGS] 1162 01:12:54,804 --> 01:12:56,873 James: AS A CHIMP, YOU'VE GOT NO WAY OF KNOWING 1163 01:12:56,906 --> 01:12:58,107 WHAT'S HAPPENING TO YOU. 1164 01:12:58,141 --> 01:13:02,412 YOU'RE JUST SUDDENLY CUT OFF FROM SEEING EVERYTHING OUTSIDE. 1165 01:13:02,912 --> 01:13:06,916 SUDDENLY, AFTER A DAY AND A HALF OF CONSTANT DRIVING, 1166 01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:11,888 YOU GET OUT THE OTHER END AND YOU'RE IN ANOTHER SORT OF ROOM. 1167 01:13:13,823 --> 01:13:15,992 [WIND HOWLS] 1168 01:13:18,828 --> 01:13:21,798 [CHIMPS GRUNTING AND SCREECHING] 1169 01:13:29,005 --> 01:13:34,544 James: I WOULDN'T SAY THEY WERE JUMPING WITH JOY 1170 01:13:34,578 --> 01:13:36,813 TO FIND THEMSELVES IN A NEW PLACE. 1171 01:13:36,846 --> 01:13:39,583 [GRUNTING CONTINUES] 1172 01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:48,224 COME ON. COME HERE. 1173 01:13:48,257 --> 01:13:50,560 COME ON. ONE MORE TIME. 1174 01:13:50,594 --> 01:13:52,529 ONE MORE TIME. COME HERE. 1175 01:13:52,562 --> 01:13:54,698 [SCREECHING] 1176 01:13:54,731 --> 01:13:55,499 COME HERE. 1177 01:13:55,532 --> 01:13:57,734 DON'T-- IT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S OVER. 1178 01:13:57,767 --> 01:14:00,103 [SCREECHES] IT'S ALL OVER. 1179 01:14:00,136 --> 01:14:00,870 IT'S ALL OVER. 1180 01:14:00,904 --> 01:14:02,506 I TOOK ON THE ROLE OF BEING THE ONE 1181 01:14:02,539 --> 01:14:06,209 WHO CHOSE WHICH ANIMALS WOULD GO 1182 01:14:06,242 --> 01:14:09,145 INTO WHICH TYPES OF STUDY. 1183 01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:11,781 AND I HATED IT. 1184 01:14:11,815 --> 01:14:13,082 SPIKE. SPIKE. 1185 01:14:13,116 --> 01:14:14,518 COME OVER HERE, SPIKE. 1186 01:14:14,551 --> 01:14:15,985 SPIKE, COME ON OVER HERE. 1187 01:14:16,019 --> 01:14:17,854 COME ON. [CHATTERS] 1188 01:14:17,887 --> 01:14:20,557 [INDISTINCT] 1189 01:14:22,526 --> 01:14:25,061 YOU WANT TO GO AWAY WITH SPIKE? [INDISTINCT] 1190 01:14:25,094 --> 01:14:30,867 THESE ANIMALS WILL BE USED ON HEPATITIS VACCINE SAFETY TESTS. 1191 01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:34,938 IT IS A FEDERAL LAW THAT BEFORE A BA-- 1192 01:14:34,971 --> 01:14:38,642 A NEW BATCH OF VACCINE CAN BE RELEASED ON THE AMERICAN MARKET, 1193 01:14:38,675 --> 01:14:41,811 IT MUST BE TESTED IN 4 CHIMPANZEES. 1194 01:14:41,845 --> 01:14:44,881 THERE'S NO WAY-- IN ALL HONESTY, 1195 01:14:44,914 --> 01:14:49,085 THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN CARRY OUT RESEARCH ON ANIMALS 1196 01:14:49,118 --> 01:14:50,754 AND FOR IT TO BE HUMANE. 1197 01:14:50,787 --> 01:14:56,125 IT CAN'T BE HUMANE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY PUT THEM IN A CAGE. 1198 01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:58,161 THAT WAS ALREADY THE FIRST STEP, 1199 01:14:58,194 --> 01:15:00,897 AND FROM THERE ON, IT'S DOWNHILL. 1200 01:15:00,930 --> 01:15:03,567 [SCREECHING] 1201 01:15:05,935 --> 01:15:07,003 [INDISTINCT TALKING] 1202 01:15:07,036 --> 01:15:10,674 James: WE REALIZED THAT CERTAIN OF THE OKLAHOMA CHIMPS 1203 01:15:10,707 --> 01:15:12,175 COULD USE SIGN LANGUAGE 1204 01:15:12,208 --> 01:15:14,878 AND WERE TRYING TO SIGN WITH US. 1205 01:15:14,911 --> 01:15:18,982 WHAT WE DID WAS, WE WROTE DOWN ON SHEETS OF PAPER, 1206 01:15:19,015 --> 01:15:20,917 WHICH WE POSTED ALL OVER THE PLACE-- 1207 01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:25,021 ON DOORS AND WALLS AND EVERYWHERE WE COULD FIND-- 1208 01:15:25,054 --> 01:15:27,056 OF CERTAIN SIGNS, 1209 01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:30,326 AND IT WAS HOPED THAT, AS TIME WENT BY, 1210 01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:31,961 EVERYONE WOULD PICK UP 1211 01:15:31,995 --> 01:15:36,265 AT LEAST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SIGN LANGUAGE. 1212 01:15:38,067 --> 01:15:40,837 [INDISTINCT TALKING] 1213 01:15:41,671 --> 01:15:44,173 I DIDN'T SEE... 1214 01:15:44,207 --> 01:15:48,077 NIM AS SPECIAL ABOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE GROUP, 1215 01:15:48,111 --> 01:15:53,116 BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING. 1216 01:15:55,785 --> 01:15:58,554 [INDISTINCT TALKING] 1217 01:16:23,112 --> 01:16:26,916 Bob: I MADE A BIG, BIG STINK ABOUT IT, 1218 01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:28,985 IN EVERY WAY I COULD. 1219 01:16:29,018 --> 01:16:30,019 I CALLED THE PRESS. 1220 01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:34,290 WE BITCHED AS MUCH AS WE COULD. 1221 01:16:43,132 --> 01:16:45,401 James: THE STUDENT BOB INGERSOLL, 1222 01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:49,005 HE USED TO HOUND ME EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. 1223 01:16:49,038 --> 01:16:52,208 AND I WOULD START TO GET REALLY ANNOYED, 1224 01:16:52,241 --> 01:16:53,777 AND THEN IT DAWNED ON ME 1225 01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:58,047 THAT HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CARED. 1226 01:16:58,081 --> 01:16:59,415 NOBODY, 1227 01:16:59,448 --> 01:17:02,318 NOBODY, EXCEPT THE PRESS, HELPED US. 1228 01:17:02,351 --> 01:17:04,754 IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER DOING 1229 01:17:04,788 --> 01:17:06,723 TO PREVENT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM? 1230 01:17:06,756 --> 01:17:10,359 UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO 1231 01:17:10,393 --> 01:17:12,996 BECAUSE, LEGALLY, NIM IS NOT MINE. 1232 01:17:13,029 --> 01:17:17,433 NIM WAS LOANED TO ME FOR THE DURATION OF MY PROJECT. 1233 01:17:17,466 --> 01:17:19,836 THAT PROJECT RAN OUT OF FUNDS-- 1234 01:17:19,869 --> 01:17:23,239 [TELEPHONE RINGS] 1235 01:17:23,272 --> 01:17:25,441 [RING] 1236 01:17:25,474 --> 01:17:28,444 SOMEBODY AT THE "BOSTON GLOBE" TOLD ME 1237 01:17:28,477 --> 01:17:31,280 TO READ A FRONT PAGE STORY ON THAT DAY. 1238 01:17:31,314 --> 01:17:34,183 AND HE SAID, "I THINK YOU'D BE INTERESTED, 1239 01:17:34,217 --> 01:17:37,253 AND I KNOW YOU TAKE UNUSUAL CASES." 1240 01:17:39,122 --> 01:17:40,857 AS A HUMAN BEING, I THOUGHT IT WAS 1241 01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:44,327 A KIND OF ESOTERIC, UNIQUE FORM OF ANIMAL CRUELTY-- 1242 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,896 ALL THE WORSE FOR THAT-- AND AS A LAWYER, 1243 01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:49,265 I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST PLAIN ILLEGAL 1244 01:17:49,298 --> 01:17:51,200 IF THE FACTS ARE AS I'M BEING TOLD, 1245 01:17:51,234 --> 01:17:56,372 THAT THIS YOUNG CHIMP WAS BROUGHT UP FROM INFANCY IN A HUMAN FAMILY. 1246 01:17:56,405 --> 01:17:59,275 YOU CAN'T STICK HIM INTO A LITTLE CAGE 1247 01:17:59,308 --> 01:18:01,177 IN SOME HORRIBLE MEDICAL LAB 1248 01:18:01,210 --> 01:18:02,879 AND USE HIM FOR MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS. 1249 01:18:02,912 --> 01:18:05,248 IT'S PER SE ANIMAL CRUELTY. 1250 01:18:05,281 --> 01:18:06,415 [CHIMP CHATTERING] 1251 01:18:06,449 --> 01:18:08,952 EARLY ON I DECIDED THIS-- 1252 01:18:08,985 --> 01:18:12,956 IF THIS ANIMAL HAS BEEN DELIBERATELY BROUGHT UP 1253 01:18:12,989 --> 01:18:17,360 FROM INFANTHOOD TO THINK OF HIMSELF AS HUMAN, 1254 01:18:17,393 --> 01:18:19,228 THEN IF I'M GOING TO REPRESENT HIM, 1255 01:18:19,262 --> 01:18:21,965 I HAVE TO TREAT HIM LIKE A HUMAN CLIENT, 1256 01:18:21,998 --> 01:18:25,134 GIVE HIM HIS DAY IN COURT. 1257 01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:28,504 Bob: HENRY AND I-- THAT'S MR. HERRMANN-- 1258 01:18:28,537 --> 01:18:33,109 WERE IN COMMUNICATION PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY. 1259 01:18:33,142 --> 01:18:35,144 HE USED A REALLY COOL STRATEGY, ACTUALLY. 1260 01:18:35,178 --> 01:18:38,181 HE SAID, "HEY, THIS CHIMP CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. 1261 01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:40,283 LET'S BRING HIM INTO COURT AND LET HIM TALK." 1262 01:18:40,316 --> 01:18:42,518 WHAT I HAD READY AS A TRIAL EXHIBIT 1263 01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:46,856 WAS A STEEL CAGE AND A COUPLE OF STRONG GUYS 1264 01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:48,958 WITH A POLE READY TO CARRY IT INTO COURT, 1265 01:18:48,992 --> 01:18:51,795 AND I WAS GOING TO GET NIM TO GO INTO A FRENZY 1266 01:18:51,828 --> 01:18:53,930 AND SIGNAL, "OUT, OUT, OUT." 1267 01:18:53,963 --> 01:18:56,165 AND I BELIEVE THE JUDGE SAID 1268 01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:57,200 SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT, 1269 01:18:57,233 --> 01:19:00,003 "I'M NOT LETTING A FUCKING CHIMPANZEE COME IN HERE 1270 01:19:00,036 --> 01:19:02,939 AND--AND MAKE A MOCKERY OF MY COURTROOM," 1271 01:19:02,972 --> 01:19:03,840 OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. 1272 01:19:03,873 --> 01:19:05,541 AND THAT'S WHEN I SAID "I'M GOING TO BRING, 1273 01:19:05,574 --> 01:19:07,376 IN EFFECT, A HABEAS CORPUS PETITION 1274 01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:10,847 ON BEHALF OF A CHIMP. BRING HIM TO COURT. 1275 01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:18,487 OUR OPPONENTS WERE PIG-HEADED, BUT THEY WEREN'T STUPID. 1276 01:19:18,521 --> 01:19:21,290 THEY REALIZED THAT WIN, LOSE, OR DRAW, 1277 01:19:21,324 --> 01:19:23,192 ONCE I GOT INTO COURT, THEY'D BE LOSING, 1278 01:19:23,226 --> 01:19:25,995 BECAUSE EVEN IF THE JUDGE REFUSED TO HEAR HIM, 1279 01:19:26,029 --> 01:19:29,332 THE MEDIA ATTENTION WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVASTATING. 1280 01:19:29,365 --> 01:19:32,168 AND THE DEAN OF THE MEDICAL FACULTY SAID, 1281 01:19:32,201 --> 01:19:36,005 "THAT'S IT. GET THAT CHIMP OUT OF HERE." 1282 01:19:42,078 --> 01:19:44,413 BEFORE ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN, 1283 01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:50,186 SWOOPING DOWN LIKE IN SOME WAGNERIAN DRAMA, 1284 01:19:50,219 --> 01:19:52,388 COMES CLEVELAND AMORY. 1285 01:19:52,421 --> 01:19:55,124 [BRAYING] 1286 01:19:57,026 --> 01:19:58,327 I WANT THIS TO BE A PLACE 1287 01:19:58,361 --> 01:20:01,530 WHERE THOSE ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN ABUSED, 1288 01:20:01,564 --> 01:20:06,569 THAT HAVE BEEN MISUSED, WILL FINALLY AND FOREVER 1289 01:20:06,602 --> 01:20:12,108 HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY NEVER WILL HAVE TO FEAR AGAIN. 1290 01:20:13,276 --> 01:20:16,846 Henry Herrmann: MR. AMORY HAD UP UNTIL THEN 1291 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,347 PERHAPS A WELL-DESERVED REPUTATION 1292 01:20:18,381 --> 01:20:22,018 FOR DOING IMPORTANT WORK FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS. 1293 01:20:22,051 --> 01:20:24,453 AND HE JUST WENT AND BUYS THE CHIMP, 1294 01:20:24,487 --> 01:20:26,890 TAKES HIM TO HIS BLACK HORSE RANCH, 1295 01:20:26,923 --> 01:20:28,858 OR WHATEVER IT WAS CALLED, 1296 01:20:28,892 --> 01:20:31,227 AND SAYS, "I AM SAVING NIM." 1297 01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:32,962 Interviewer: CLEVELAND AMORY TO THE RESCUE AGAIN. 1298 01:20:32,996 --> 01:20:37,533 NIM WILL LIVE HERE FOR THE REST OF HIS NATURAL LIFE. 1299 01:20:39,202 --> 01:20:40,636 Woman: "HERE MY STORY ENDS. 1300 01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:43,339 MY TROUBLES ARE OVER, AND I AM AT HOME." 1301 01:20:43,372 --> 01:20:49,112 AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS AS YOU DRIVE INTO BLACK BEAUTY RANCH. 1302 01:20:49,145 --> 01:20:50,613 HE WAS THE ONLY ANIMAL WE EVER BOUGHT, 1303 01:20:50,646 --> 01:20:54,117 AND WE DIDN'T KNOW A THING ABOUT CHIMPANZEES, 1304 01:20:54,150 --> 01:20:55,518 BUT WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER-- 1305 01:20:55,551 --> 01:20:58,587 WHAT WE COULD DO WAS BETTER THAN WHERE HE WAS. 1306 01:20:58,621 --> 01:21:00,623 [BIRDS SINGING] 1307 01:21:00,656 --> 01:21:04,293 IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A HOME FOR CAGED ANIMALS. 1308 01:21:04,327 --> 01:21:05,528 [HORSES NICKER AND SNORT] 1309 01:21:05,561 --> 01:21:09,532 IT IS REALLY A HOME FOR ABUSED AND ABANDONED EQUINE ANIMALS. 1310 01:21:09,565 --> 01:21:12,435 THAT'S ANIMALS JUST WITH HOOVES. 1311 01:21:16,505 --> 01:21:21,110 Bob: WE WERE AGHAST THAT HE WOULD JUST PICK UP THIS CHIMP, 1312 01:21:21,144 --> 01:21:23,012 TRANSPORT HIM TO A HORSE RANCH 1313 01:21:23,046 --> 01:21:25,548 SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, 1314 01:21:25,581 --> 01:21:27,283 AND THERE WAS NOBODY THERE 1315 01:21:27,316 --> 01:21:30,353 WHO KNEW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF A CHIMP. 1316 01:21:31,454 --> 01:21:33,556 Marion Probst: WE BROUGHT HIM TO BLACK BEAUTY 1317 01:21:33,589 --> 01:21:36,359 AND BUILT A HOUSE FOR HIM. 1318 01:21:37,193 --> 01:21:39,428 IT WAS A BIG, KIND OF A SQUARE PLACE, 1319 01:21:39,462 --> 01:21:41,697 AND IT HAD A PORCH OUTSIDE SO THAT HE COULD GO OUTSIDE. 1320 01:21:41,730 --> 01:21:46,669 AND HE HAD ALL SORTS OF TOYS TO PLAY WITH, BUT IT WAS SOLITARY. 1321 01:21:58,481 --> 01:22:00,083 CHIMPS ARE SOCIAL ANIMALS, 1322 01:22:00,116 --> 01:22:03,086 AND YOU CAN'T JUST PUT ONE CHIMP IN A BOX 1323 01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:06,322 AND EXPECT EVERYTHING TO BE COOL. 1324 01:22:13,262 --> 01:22:17,333 SOME OF THE TIME, HE WAS SITTING LIKE THIS IN THE CORNER, 1325 01:22:17,366 --> 01:22:19,302 AND YOU JUST THOUGHT, "WHAT IS HE THINKING? 1326 01:22:19,335 --> 01:22:20,636 WHAT IS HE MISSING? WHAT CAN WE DO?" 1327 01:22:20,669 --> 01:22:24,640 WILL YOU PLEASE BE SURE TO STOP OFF HERE IN THE NATION'S CAPITAL? 1328 01:22:24,673 --> 01:22:25,541 [CROWD CHEERS] 1329 01:22:25,574 --> 01:22:28,177 WE HAD A TV DOWN, AND THEN HE BROKE THAT. 1330 01:22:28,211 --> 01:22:30,179 AND THEN WE PUT ONE UP IN THE CEILING. 1331 01:22:30,213 --> 01:22:32,648 [CHUCKLES] AND HE FOUND A WAY TO GET UP THERE. 1332 01:22:32,681 --> 01:22:33,482 [GRUNTS] 1333 01:22:33,516 --> 01:22:34,450 WELL, OK, YOU DON'T GET A TELEVISION 1334 01:22:34,483 --> 01:22:37,720 IF THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR ATTITUDE. [LAUGHS] 1335 01:22:40,256 --> 01:22:42,191 Bob: I WROTE LETTERS TO CLEVELAND, 1336 01:22:42,225 --> 01:22:44,193 BITCHING AT HIM ABOUT HOW 1337 01:22:44,227 --> 01:22:48,998 LEAVING NIM THERE ALONE WAS VIRTUALLY TORTURE. 1338 01:22:57,673 --> 01:22:59,775 NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT CARE WHAT I THOUGHT, 1339 01:22:59,808 --> 01:23:03,379 THEY WANTED ME AS FAR AWAY FROM THEM AS POSSIBLE. 1340 01:23:03,412 --> 01:23:06,415 AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE THAT PRETTY CLEAR. 1341 01:23:06,449 --> 01:23:08,117 AND THEY DID MAKE THAT PRETTY CLEAR. 1342 01:23:08,151 --> 01:23:11,687 YOU KNOW, "IF YOU COME HERE, YOU'LL BE ARRESTED." 1343 01:23:26,302 --> 01:23:29,538 I--I...I FELT IT, YOU KNOW, 1344 01:23:29,572 --> 01:23:31,207 AND I JUST WANTED TO-- 1345 01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,510 LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I-- 1346 01:23:49,092 --> 01:23:52,328 Marion: HE GOT OUT A NUMBER OF TIMES. 1347 01:23:52,361 --> 01:23:56,165 WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WAS GO IN THE RANCH HOUSE. 1348 01:23:56,199 --> 01:23:59,402 BE IN THE RANCH HOUSE, BE WITH PEOPLE, 1349 01:23:59,435 --> 01:24:01,370 SLEEP IN A BED. 1350 01:24:01,404 --> 01:24:02,705 WELL, WE HAD A BED FOR HIM IN HIS HOUSE, 1351 01:24:02,738 --> 01:24:05,241 BUT HE NEVER SLEPT IN THE BED IN HIS HOUSE. 1352 01:24:05,274 --> 01:24:07,176 [BARKING] 1353 01:24:07,210 --> 01:24:09,278 ONE TIME WHEN HE CAME IN THE HOUSE, 1354 01:24:09,312 --> 01:24:11,080 THERE WAS A LITTLE WHITE POODLE. 1355 01:24:11,114 --> 01:24:12,248 THING THAT JUST BARKED AND BARKED AND BARKED 1356 01:24:12,281 --> 01:24:15,184 AT THIS CHIMPANZEE COMING THROUGH THE DOOR. 1357 01:24:15,218 --> 01:24:17,553 HE JUST PICKED IT UP AND SWUNG HIM AGAINST THE WALL. 1358 01:24:17,586 --> 01:24:19,822 HE MEANT TO SHUT THE DOG UP. 1359 01:24:19,855 --> 01:24:20,856 BUT, OF COURSE, HE KILLED THE DOG. 1360 01:24:20,889 --> 01:24:23,292 THERE WAS ANOTHER TIME WHEN HE WENT IN THE HOUSE 1361 01:24:23,326 --> 01:24:26,529 AND HE PICKED UP A CHAIR AND THREW IT THROUGH THE WINDOW. 1362 01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:37,206 THIS--THIS IS A VERY MISERABLE CHIMPANZEE, YOU KNOW. 1363 01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:38,841 HE'D HAD SUCH A CHECKERED LIFE. 1364 01:24:38,874 --> 01:24:43,446 HE'D GONE FROM HERE, TO HERE, TO HERE, TO HERE, TO HERE. 1365 01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:44,813 THEY SHOULD BE LEFT-- 1366 01:24:44,847 --> 01:24:47,850 THEY SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR MOTHERS IN THE FIRST PLACE. 1367 01:24:47,883 --> 01:24:50,286 [METAL BANGS] 1368 01:24:52,555 --> 01:24:54,190 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1369 01:24:54,223 --> 01:24:56,392 [CROW CAWS] 1370 01:24:56,425 --> 01:24:58,594 [HORSE WHINNIES] 1371 01:24:58,627 --> 01:24:59,795 Stephanie: I KNEW THAT NIM WAS THERE. 1372 01:24:59,828 --> 01:25:03,299 I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF HIS LIFE THERE. 1373 01:25:03,332 --> 01:25:06,669 YOU HEARD GOOD THINGS AND BAD THINGS AND SO ON, 1374 01:25:06,702 --> 01:25:09,638 AND I THOUGHT, WHY NOT GO? 1375 01:25:11,274 --> 01:25:13,176 Jenny: SO WE ALL FLEW OUT TO TEXAS. 1376 01:25:13,209 --> 01:25:16,912 WE GO TO THE RANCH, WE MEET THE PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF HIM. 1377 01:25:16,945 --> 01:25:21,317 HE WAS ALONE. HE WAS THE ONLY CHIMP THERE. 1378 01:25:26,922 --> 01:25:28,691 I HAPPENED TO BE LOOKING AT HIM 1379 01:25:28,724 --> 01:25:30,426 WHEN STEPHANIE GOT OUT OF THE CAR, 1380 01:25:30,459 --> 01:25:34,297 AND HE SAW HER, AND HE RECOGNIZED HER RIGHT AWAY. 1381 01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:36,699 AND THE LOOK ON HIS FACE WAS JUST, 1382 01:25:36,732 --> 01:25:37,700 "OH, NOW YOU COME. 1383 01:25:37,733 --> 01:25:40,569 "NOW YOU COME. NOW I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THIS, 1384 01:25:40,603 --> 01:25:42,738 AND NOW YOU COME." 1385 01:25:45,974 --> 01:25:47,876 HE DEFINITELY RECOGNIZED US. 1386 01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:52,748 WHETHER HE WAS HAPPY TO SEE US, I DON'T KNOW. 1387 01:25:52,781 --> 01:25:54,817 [BARKS] 1388 01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:58,287 Stephanie: HE WASN'T PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE TO ME 1389 01:25:58,321 --> 01:25:59,722 NOW THAT HE WAS AN ADULT CHIMPANZEE. 1390 01:25:59,755 --> 01:26:02,825 I DIDN'T HAVE A--A, "OH, ISN'T HE BEAUTIFUL," 1391 01:26:02,858 --> 01:26:03,592 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 1392 01:26:03,626 --> 01:26:06,762 HE WAS--HE WAS-- I DIDN'T KNOW HIM. 1393 01:26:06,795 --> 01:26:08,664 [GRUNTS] 1394 01:26:08,697 --> 01:26:10,433 Jenny: MY MOTHER DECIDES THAT 1395 01:26:10,466 --> 01:26:13,669 SHE WANTS TO GO INTO THE ENCLOSURE WITH NIM, 1396 01:26:13,702 --> 01:26:15,838 WHICH DIDN'T-- 1397 01:26:15,871 --> 01:26:19,342 WHICH HAPPENED SORT OF, "I'M GOING TO GO IN WITH NIM." 1398 01:26:19,375 --> 01:26:20,643 [GRUNTING] 1399 01:26:20,676 --> 01:26:23,579 WE SAID TO HER, "HE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE'S GOING TO WELCOME YOU, 1400 01:26:23,612 --> 01:26:26,315 SO MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T GO INTO HIS FACILITY." 1401 01:26:26,349 --> 01:26:27,583 [GRUNTS] [METAL RATTLES] 1402 01:26:27,616 --> 01:26:29,218 I WAS CURIOUS. IS HE GOING TO SIGN? 1403 01:26:29,252 --> 01:26:31,287 IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE LIKE? 1404 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,556 [LAUGHS] STEPHANIE, PLEASE DON'T GO IN THERE. 1405 01:26:33,589 --> 01:26:35,791 HE'S NOT IN A GOOD MOOD. YOU KNOW? 1406 01:26:35,824 --> 01:26:38,327 YOU CAN TELL HE'S NOT IN A GOOD MOOD. 1407 01:26:38,361 --> 01:26:40,796 [GRUNTING] 1408 01:26:40,829 --> 01:26:43,499 OPENED THE GATE AND WALKED IN. 1409 01:26:43,532 --> 01:26:47,470 NIM WENT UP TO THE, LIKE, FIRST-AND-A-HALF STORY. 1410 01:26:47,503 --> 01:26:49,972 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PRETTY HIGH UP. 1411 01:26:50,005 --> 01:26:53,776 AND I REALIZED HOW MUCH DANGER I WAS IN. 1412 01:26:53,809 --> 01:26:56,712 [GRUNTING] 1413 01:26:57,446 --> 01:26:58,381 [HOOTS] 1414 01:26:58,414 --> 01:27:00,583 HE CAME DOWN, 1415 01:27:00,616 --> 01:27:03,352 AND THEN IT WAS A BLUR. 1416 01:27:03,386 --> 01:27:04,553 [HOOTS] 1417 01:27:04,587 --> 01:27:06,255 HE GRABBED HER BY THE ANKLE 1418 01:27:06,289 --> 01:27:07,290 AND HE STARTS DRAGGING HER, 1419 01:27:07,323 --> 01:27:09,758 RUNNING BACK AND FORTH LITERALLY LIKE A RAG DOLL, 1420 01:27:09,792 --> 01:27:11,360 JUST PULLING HER BACK AND FORTH. 1421 01:27:11,394 --> 01:27:12,861 I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO KILL HER, 1422 01:27:12,895 --> 01:27:14,497 THAT HE WAS GOING TO SWING HER AGAINST THE WALL 1423 01:27:14,530 --> 01:27:15,798 AND THEN SWING HER AGAINST THE WALL AGAIN. 1424 01:27:15,831 --> 01:27:18,301 THERE WAS NOTHING LOVING ABOUT IT. HE WAS FURIOUS. 1425 01:27:18,334 --> 01:27:21,270 [GRUNTING] 1426 01:27:21,537 --> 01:27:23,339 I REMEMBER THERE BEING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 1427 01:27:23,372 --> 01:27:26,909 GETTING THE GUN OR NOT GETTING THE GUN, YEAH. 1428 01:27:26,942 --> 01:27:29,978 SO THEY GOT A GUN. 1429 01:27:34,683 --> 01:27:36,385 NO, HE'S NOT GOING TO KILL HER. 1430 01:27:36,419 --> 01:27:38,754 HE'S JUST REALLY PISSED OFF. 1431 01:27:38,787 --> 01:27:39,722 [GRUNTS] 1432 01:27:39,755 --> 01:27:42,891 THINGS DISSIPATE, AND HE SORT OF WANDERED OFF, 1433 01:27:42,925 --> 01:27:44,560 AND I WAS ABLE TO GET OUT A DOOR. 1434 01:27:44,593 --> 01:27:49,031 I HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG THE WHOLE THING LASTED. 1435 01:27:49,064 --> 01:27:53,402 THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T KILL HER MEANT A LOT. 1436 01:27:53,436 --> 01:27:55,671 'CAUSE HE COULD HAVE. 1437 01:27:55,971 --> 01:27:57,072 AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD, 1438 01:27:57,105 --> 01:27:59,908 'CAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE SHOT HIM. 1439 01:28:02,878 --> 01:28:04,547 I HAD ABANDONED HIM, 1440 01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:07,483 AND HE HAD MANAGED TO GROW UP, 1441 01:28:07,516 --> 01:28:09,352 AND I HAD WALKED BACK IN 1442 01:28:09,385 --> 01:28:11,820 AS IF I HAD NOT ABANDONED HIM. 1443 01:28:11,854 --> 01:28:14,957 AND HE SAID "NO. THIS IS MY SPACE. 1444 01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:17,793 "I'M GOING TO PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE. 1445 01:28:17,826 --> 01:28:20,596 BUT I'M NOT GOING TO HURT YOU." 1446 01:28:28,471 --> 01:28:30,973 WE HAD DONE SO MUCH DAMAGE 1447 01:28:31,006 --> 01:28:35,444 REMOVING HIM FROM WHAT HIS LIFE SHOULD HAVE BEEN. 1448 01:28:35,478 --> 01:28:38,514 WE EXPLOITED HIS HUMAN-LIKE NATURE 1449 01:28:38,547 --> 01:28:40,949 WITHOUT REGARD TO HIS CHIMPANZEE NATURE. 1450 01:28:40,983 --> 01:28:44,953 WE WERE CO-OPTING HIM RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. 1451 01:28:44,987 --> 01:28:48,891 IT WAS WRONG. IT WAS WRONG. 1452 01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:13,982 [HORN HONKS] 1453 01:29:20,956 --> 01:29:24,527 ABOUT A YEAR AFTER NIM WAS SOLD TO THE FUN, 1454 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,664 THEY PURCHASED A FEMALE CHIMPANZEE TO BE WITH HIM. 1455 01:29:28,697 --> 01:29:30,633 AROUND 10 YEARS AFTER THAT, 1456 01:29:30,666 --> 01:29:32,167 I HEARD SHE WAS IN FAILING HEALTH. 1457 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,038 I WAS WORRIED THAT NIM WAS GONNA BE ON HIS OWN AGAIN. 1458 01:29:36,071 --> 01:29:39,908 AT THAT SAME TIME I WAS TOLD THAT A NEW GUY HAD TAKEN OVER THE RANCH, 1459 01:29:39,942 --> 01:29:41,510 AND HIS NAME WAS CHRIS BYRNE. 1460 01:29:41,544 --> 01:29:45,648 AND SO I APPROACHED CHRIS ABOUT VISITING NIM. 1461 01:29:45,681 --> 01:29:48,417 [ELEPHANT TRUMPETS] 1462 01:29:49,818 --> 01:29:51,520 [INDISTINCT TALKING] 1463 01:29:51,554 --> 01:29:53,088 ONCE I MET CHRIS, 1464 01:29:53,121 --> 01:29:55,491 I WAS REALLY, REALLY REASSURED 1465 01:29:55,524 --> 01:29:58,794 THAT THINGS WERE GONNA BE MUCH BETTER FOR NIM. 1466 01:29:58,827 --> 01:30:01,964 Chris Byrne: LOOK, NIM. SOMEBODY'S COME TO SEE YOU. 1467 01:30:01,997 --> 01:30:04,800 OH, HE'S GOT HIS HACKLES UP. 1468 01:30:04,833 --> 01:30:05,868 Woman: AWW. 1469 01:30:05,901 --> 01:30:07,736 HEY, IT'S OK. Bob: HI, NIM. 1470 01:30:07,770 --> 01:30:08,804 WHAT'S UP, BUD? NIM. 1471 01:30:08,837 --> 01:30:11,440 HE'S GOING TO DO A COUPLE OF MINUTES OF DISPLAYING. 1472 01:30:11,474 --> 01:30:13,075 OH, THAT'S OK. NIM. 1473 01:30:13,108 --> 01:30:15,478 WHAT'S UP, BUD? 1474 01:30:17,179 --> 01:30:21,216 YEAH, I KNOW, BUDDY. WHO AM I? WHO AM I? 1475 01:30:21,249 --> 01:30:22,851 HEY, WHO ARE YOU? 1476 01:30:22,885 --> 01:30:25,020 [KISSES] 1477 01:30:27,055 --> 01:30:28,891 PLAY, PLAY. 1478 01:30:28,924 --> 01:30:30,693 [NIM CHIRPS] 1479 01:30:30,726 --> 01:30:33,462 PLAY WHERE? WHERE? 1480 01:30:36,599 --> 01:30:39,468 [GRUNTING AND PANTING] 1481 01:30:44,139 --> 01:30:46,842 YOU ARE HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIME. 1482 01:30:46,875 --> 01:30:49,878 IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. 1483 01:30:50,979 --> 01:30:53,749 [GRUNTS AND LAUGHS] 1484 01:30:54,617 --> 01:30:56,084 YES! 1485 01:30:57,152 --> 01:31:01,023 I SAID TO CHRIS, I HAVE A WAY TO HELP YOU, 1486 01:31:01,056 --> 01:31:04,860 AND I KNOW I CAN HELP YOU TO GET OTHER CHIMPS, 1487 01:31:04,893 --> 01:31:07,763 SO LET'S WORK TOGETHER. 1488 01:31:09,898 --> 01:31:12,067 BUDDY. THINGS ARE IMPROVING. 1489 01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:14,136 THINGS ARE WAY IMPROVING. 1490 01:31:14,169 --> 01:31:17,640 IT'S TAKEN A WHILE, THOUGH. IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME. 1491 01:31:17,673 --> 01:31:19,942 IT HASN'T BEEN EASY. 1492 01:31:19,975 --> 01:31:24,146 Chris Byrne: ON AUGUST THE 10th, 1995, 1493 01:31:24,179 --> 01:31:27,683 THE DEAN OF NYU MEDICAL CENTER ANNOUNCED 1494 01:31:27,716 --> 01:31:30,953 THAT LEMSIP WOULD BE CLOSED. 1495 01:31:30,986 --> 01:31:33,622 AND I THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO TRY AND SAVE 1496 01:31:33,656 --> 01:31:36,224 AS MANY OF THE CHIMPS AS I CAN, 1497 01:31:36,258 --> 01:31:40,228 BUT IN A VERY QUIET WAY. SECRETLY. 1498 01:31:40,262 --> 01:31:43,899 HEY, LOU-LOU. WHAT'S UP, GIRL? HOW YOU DOING? 1499 01:31:43,932 --> 01:31:48,737 THAT'S WHERE BOB CAME IN, THROUGH THE SECRET NETWORK. 1500 01:31:48,771 --> 01:31:52,040 WHAT'S UP, NIM? WHO IS THIS OVER HERE? 1501 01:31:52,074 --> 01:31:55,043 WHO IS THIS OVER HERE, NIM? WHO IS IT? 1502 01:31:55,077 --> 01:31:57,880 THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEW ROOMMATE. 1503 01:31:57,913 --> 01:32:00,115 READY? YEAH. YEAH. 1504 01:32:00,148 --> 01:32:02,718 [INDISTINCT TALKING] 1505 01:32:02,751 --> 01:32:04,086 ISN'T THAT NICE? 1506 01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:05,888 [INDISTINCT] 1507 01:32:05,921 --> 01:32:06,955 [LAUGHS] 1508 01:32:06,989 --> 01:32:09,892 HE WANTS SOME OF THAT YOGURT. 1509 01:32:09,925 --> 01:32:11,126 LOOK AT THAT. 1510 01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:14,129 [METAL CLINKING] 1511 01:32:16,632 --> 01:32:18,333 James: WHAT DO YOU THINK, MITCH? 1512 01:32:18,366 --> 01:32:20,803 I TOLD YOU IT WOULD BE NICE, DIDN'T I? 1513 01:32:20,836 --> 01:32:26,609 Chris: JIM MAHONEY MOVED LITERALLY 50, 60 CHIMPS. 1514 01:32:27,009 --> 01:32:31,213 AND WE DID, INDEED, GET 2 CHIMPS FROM LEMSIP 1515 01:32:31,246 --> 01:32:34,750 THROUGH MAHONEY TO BLACK BEAUTY RANCH. 1516 01:32:34,783 --> 01:32:39,354 MITCH WAS A YOUNGISH ADULT MALE, 1517 01:32:39,387 --> 01:32:44,627 AND LOU-LOU WAS VERY GENTLE. 1518 01:32:46,995 --> 01:32:50,065 LOU-LOU IMMEDIATELY WENT TO HER DEFENSE, 1519 01:32:50,098 --> 01:32:52,868 AND NIM CAME OVER. 1520 01:32:52,901 --> 01:32:55,971 VERY GOOD, LOU-LOU. SHE'S SO GOOD. 1521 01:32:56,004 --> 01:32:57,205 Bob: YEAH, YOUR FRIEND, LOU-LOU. 1522 01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:01,977 I THINK MITCH AND LOU-LOU REALLY HELPED HIM OUT ENORMOUSLY. 1523 01:33:02,010 --> 01:33:04,647 [INDISTINCT TALKING] 1524 01:33:06,649 --> 01:33:08,183 WHAT, NOW YOU'RE MAKING NOISES FOR IT. 1525 01:33:08,216 --> 01:33:09,885 WHAT'S--WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS? 1526 01:33:09,918 --> 01:33:11,920 HEY--I'M--NIM'S. NIM'S WHAT? 1527 01:33:11,954 --> 01:33:13,155 WHAT? SODA POP, I KNOW. 1528 01:33:13,188 --> 01:33:15,991 THINGS WERE AS GOOD AS COULD BE EXPECTED, 1529 01:33:16,024 --> 01:33:20,228 BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU KNOW THAT HAD GONE ON PREVIOUS. 1530 01:33:20,262 --> 01:33:23,732 OH, YEAH, THAT'S SO GOOD, NIM. ISN'T IT GOOD? 1531 01:33:23,766 --> 01:33:26,835 IT WASN'T EXACTLY PERFECT, 1532 01:33:26,869 --> 01:33:30,038 BUT IT WAS PRETTY DAMN GOOD. 1533 01:33:43,451 --> 01:33:48,356 Chris: CHIMPS ARE TRULY WONDERFUL ANIMALS. 1534 01:33:48,891 --> 01:33:53,028 THEY'RE VERY FORGIVING, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM. 1535 01:33:57,365 --> 01:33:59,768 THEY--THEY'LL FORGIVE YOU. 1536 01:33:59,802 --> 01:34:02,304 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1537 01:34:45,781 --> 01:34:48,350 CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY LIONS GATE ENTERTAINMENT 1538 01:34:48,383 --> 01:34:52,755 CAPTIONED BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE --www.ncicap.org-- 111288

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