All language subtitles for Deliver.Us.from.Evil.2006.1080p.WEBRip.x265-RARBG

[Man] I am here because... I recognize...

in my life there has been a major imbalance,

mainly caused by what I have done

in a criminal way.

I want to promise myself

that this is going to be the most honest

confession of my life,

and in doing that,

I need to make the long journey backwards

to understand what I did,

to acknowledge that,

in some way to make reparation for it,

and to let those whom I have offended

know that, if possible.

Basically what I want to say to them is, you know,

it should not have happened.

It should not have happened.

When I saw him
the first time,

oh, I think it was
love at first sight.

I agree.
I really do.

It was easy
to talk to her.

It must be. We've been
together 41 years now.

[Maria Jyono]
But he wasn't really
practicing Buddhism.

He used to go
with me to church.

[Bob Jyono] Yeah. Before I even met you,

I think I used to go to the chapel,

just for peace and quiet, you know, so--

but then I still had to go to Ireland

and talk to Maria's dad and ask for her hand.

By then
you were baptized. Yeah.

I think that
was a big concern
for my family.

We got married
December 26, 1964.

I told Maria, I said, "Would you like to go to the States?"

It was a big step,

but, you know,
I was willing

to go anywhere
Bob was going.

Yeah.

Ann was born
May 9, 1966.

Yeah, a bundle of joy, really.

She really was. Yeah.

'Cause Bob was working
12 hours a day.

We'd get dressed up,
and we'd go outside

and wait for Bob
when he was coming home.

Oh, she'd say, "Hi, Daddy,"

and give me a hug and kiss, you know.

She was a perfect
little lady, you know.

You could
take her anyplace.

In her own little way,

she was
taking care of me.

So then I went to work
one day a week,

and then we decided
we'd buy a house--
this one.

This one here.

The one and only house we bought.

I was raised a really
strict Catholic in Ireland.

I mean, that was our life.

Yeah, and--

There is no other religion.

I thought she was
a shining example

of a good Catholic

who had faith
in her religion

whether I accepted
all the beliefs
of the Catholic Church

or not.

But I believed something--

And, you know,
you raise your kids
that way, you know.

That was
part of our life.

It was our life,
actually.

It sure was.
I found peace there,

and, you know,
comfort, I guess.

♪♪ [Gregorian chants]

Some people are born to be leaders,

some people are born to follow, et cetera, you know.

I like-- I like helping people,

and, as one of my priest friends said to me once,

he said, "You're a people person."

And I think that helped a lot

to say, "Hey, I finally reached what-- all I'd like to do.

"I think this is what I want to do.

I think this is
what I'm called to do."

I like to be with people.

Uh, I felt I was good with people.

I felt I was good with children.

I've often asked myself,

Why--Why did I...

Why--Why do I like children so much?

What--What do I want to do for them?

I feel compassionate to children

that I see sort of cornered and--

who image what I was when I was their age,

and did not have, um...

somebody to turn to.

I tend to want to reach out to people like that.

[Maria]
First time we met him
was in 1971.

I was so excited
to meet somebody
from home.

And
I'd only been here,

like, five years
at that time.

He would,
uh, come and spend
his days off here.

Uh, he had a really
strong Irish accent
at that time,

so we used to help him
with his sermons,

and Ann would go
places with him.

[Oliver O'Grady] Ann Jyono.

Little Ann, one of the first people I met there,

or at least her parents.

Her mother was Irish, father was Japanese--

of Japanese extraction, I think--

and was very welcome at their home

for--for many, many years of my time in Lodi.

I could, and was often invited to sleep over there.

Perhaps that's where some of the problems began

in that-- in Ann's situation.

There are two types
of people in the Church:

the hierarchy in the sacred
pastures, as they call them,

who are picked out
by God to lead,

and the vast throng
who are the lay people,

and their duty
obedient followers.

It says that.

The system,
it's a monarchy.

All power
rests in individuals,

and so the system
protects those individuals

because it believes
that that is the will

of the higher power,
of the Almighty:

that He wants
those individuals

to be powerful
in order to control

this portion of reality
called Earth.

And that's, I think, is--

It may sound simplistic
and like science fiction,

but that, in fact,
is what it is.

I was, um...

a student for eight years
at Holy Spirit,

which is in
the Sacramento Diocese,

and they had some kind of advertisement to Camp Pendola,

and it was my first time ever going away to camp.

None of my friends went to school there.

Um, I didn't know anybody else there,

and I actually wrote a letter to my mom

that she had--

Um, on the back of the envelope,

I said I met a new friend,

and his name was Father O'Grady.

I remember him coming on a sleep-over

with the other girls,

and a couple of days later,

the other girls
breaking out with poison oak,

and them telling me
that I didn't have poison oak

'cause I slept with Father.

[O'Grady] And I think the thing that I'm going to regret most

is that I allowed myself

to--just to cuddling Nancy inside her bed one night

when she was visiting with me.

I would...label it love and concern--

hugging, embracing.

That-- That tended to, uh...

satisfy me and...

in a way that took care of my need

to reach out to somebody, you know.

From there, I don't know
how the relationship started,

that he got my address,

that he got in contact
with my parents.

He, um...

came over to the house
a couple of times.

Uh, my mother's from Argentina,

so she has more of a trusting attitude.

She had told him, I think,

that I was pulling away
from the family a little bit.

Um, she thought
it was a good idea

for me
to spend time with him.

[O'Grady]
If somebody asked me

"Where was," you know,
"What--

"What, uh...

What kicks the bucket
for you?"

Whatever, you know.
Whatever the thing is.

"Uh, what triggers
things off for you?"

You know,
"What areas would be?"

And, if given
a variety of--
of areas to consider,

you know,
I'd have to say

certainly
on the younger level.

That, uh, that's where
a lot of that surfaced.

And if they said,

"Well, do you feel aroused
when you see women?"

I'd probably say no.

"Do you feel aroused
when you see men?" No.

"Do you feel aroused
if you've seen children?"

I'd say, "Well, maybe."

"How about children
who are...in swimsuits?"

I'd say, "Yeah."

"How about children
in underwear?"

I'd say, "Yeah," you know?

I would--"If you thought
you saw children naked?"

and I'd say, "Mmm, yeah."

My last memory...of Oliver

is severe...

pain...

before I black out.

[Woman] Years ago,

Case was Pastor of St. Anne's,

and, uh, the parents called Case,

and said to him, uh,

"You know, when we
picked up our daughter,

"she was not herself
at all.

"She was very nervous
and looked very jumpy

and looked extremely,
uh, anxious."

[Nancy]
I mean, he took me
out of the house.

I said, you know,
"Sometimes I get
carsick on the road."

He said, "Put
your head on my lap,"

and boom,
the abuse started.

I mean,
I was on Highway 12,

you know, two minutes
away from my house,

when it started.

And for 96 hours,

that abuse was happening
until my parents came

and said, "Did you
have fun with Father?"

And I'm, like,
"He tickled me
too much."

How do you
tell your parents

what you just
went through?

They finally
got it out of her

that, uh,
during the night,

Ollie
had come into her room

and had molested her.

I think I tried
to be affectionate with her

by kissing her on the mouth.

And I know
that my hand went down,

and I think I brought up
her night dress

and tried to--

not tried to, I did touch her
in the genital area,

perhaps outside her clothing
at first

and maybe, although
I can't be specific,

I think I probably tried

to put my hand
inside her underwear,

and I think
that's about the time

I realized that...

it was not correct
to continue,

and--although I'm not...

paraphrasing exactly
what I remember I did,

but I think I want to say

that I stopped
shortly afterwards

and...left the bed,
left the room,

and went back to my own bed.

Case said, "Have you
ever done this before?"

And "No."

And--
So he told him.

He said, "Ollie,
this is outrageous.

"This is
the very type of thing

"that people
can go to prison for.

"I want you to sit down

and write a letter
of apology."

[O'Grady] I took, you know, the occasion

to write my letter to the victim,

and to say, "Hey, I'm sorry."

[Nancy]
"May I say first of all

"that this
is a difficult letter

"for me to write.

"I have come
to like Nancy very much

"and wanted to express
my friendship and love
for her

"by having her
come stay with me.

"I also must admit

"that I feel
very affectionate
towards Nancy,

"as I am sure I have
displayed many times,

"even
in your presence.

"Now comes
the difficult part.

"Did I touch Nancy

"in areas
which I shouldn't have?

"I have to admit that I did
on a few occasions.

"I guess I became
overly affectionate,

"and took advantage
of the situation

"and went
a little too far.

"I have already written
for an appointment
with my bishop.

"I realize
the big responsibility

"I have as a priest,

"and the high ideals
which I must uphold.

"But I am
also painfully aware

"of my own weakness,

"and how hard it is
at times

"to keep
the ideals of priesthood

"in front of me...

"when temptations
to satisfy one's own ego

present themselves."

He said, "You need to know

I've already called
Bishop Guilfoyle,"

who was the bishop
at the time,

and, uh, "As soon as
our talk is finished here,

you're getting
right in the car."

I mean, my mother says

that when she was having
the meeting with Guilfoyle,

he was completely saying,

"Oh, I'm sure Nancy just
misunderstood his actions.

"I'm sure she--

what she says happened
really didn't happen."

Even though Oliver had
already made an appointment,

Guilfoyle had already talked
to Case DeGroot about it.

My mom's having this meeting,

and he's saying, "Oh, I'm sure
nothing really happened,"

blah, blah, blah.

My mom pulls out this letter,

and she said
his face went beet-red.

He was furious
because of the letter.

[Man]
Why was he
angry about that?

Uh, for legal reasons,
I'm sure.

Of the, you know--
I think he was anxious

that, uh, the letter
be destroyed

or in some way...

disappear.

Case wanted to make sure

that Ollie was going
to be getting counseling
for this,

but when he inquired,

the bishop felt that,
uh...

he had done his part,
he had brought him down,

and in essence,
his part was over,

and he should not continue
to be a part of this.

I remember saying
one time to Case--

we were driving somewhere,

and Ollie's name came up
for one or another reason:

what he does
on his day off, you know,

and...

when I said,
"Well, you know,

he sleeps over
at Maria's house,"

and I could see
he got so, like, nervous,

but he didn't say
anything to me.

[Bob]
The reasons we asked him

to stay overnight sometimes

is because the church
can be hectic,

and, like, a priest
can be on 24-hour duty

because parishioners
may need help,

and it was
kind of like a relief

to get away from work.

The duties that a priest
has to perform

shouldn't take up
all his time.

And I do remember
one time, I think--

And that was his answer
to non-married priests.

In other religions
they're married.Yeah.

It would be so much
easier to help people

in the Catholic
religion--

'Cause you know
what a family's like.

...if they had
a family of their own,

and he used to say
he couldn't do that.

He couldn't do both.

Yeah, 'cause of the work
with the church

that, you know,

what he says is dedication
to the Church, you know.

You have to have celibacy
because you can't give--

But I says, "How do you know
how a family functions?"

And he would say, "Well,
by education, school."

[Woman]
You know, looking back
at it now in reflection,

it's more
like a power trip

that he would have us
robe him,

like he was a deity,
you know?

Like he was the king
or something, you know?

He would call us
out of class, you know.

He would--He had
total control of us

'cause
he was at our school,

he was at our home,
he was at church.

In a Catholic lifestyle,

what else is left
after that?

What part of my life
wasn't he at?

I absolutely, you know.

I mean, there's an awful
lot of my areas

that I was ill-equipped
to handle, you know.

Counseling would be
one of them.

If I were back in,
I'd never counsel people,

unless I took training
in it, you know.

Because apparently I wasn't
able to spot the differences,

spot the elements
that, uh...

There were danger signals,

that--that a therapist,
you know, would know

to say, "Oh, there's
transference here,"
you know.

This person is not alone,
coming to me once a week.

This person is calling me
on the phone twice a day.

This person
is calling me on the phone

about things that are
insignificant right now.

"My God, what do I have
for dinner?"

Whatever you like.
Why are you calling me?

You've had dinner before.
You'll have dinner again.

But, you know,
what was there about me

that kind of said
"You cancall me,"

you know?

This was somebody
that we knew
for 23 years,

totally trusted.

We trusted him
because--

And now, you know,
I hear, you know,

things he did
with other families,

and...

I just feel, uh...

I never saw
that side of him.

You know,
we were supporting him

up to the very,
very end,

'cause he was--
he was the perfect...

example of what you
would think a priest
would be

when he was
here in our house.

I mean, he was
always respectful.

He was--
Anything that I saw
with him with the kids,

he was fine.

He would stay here.

I mean, you'd see him
in here in the morning

reading his Bible.

He was everything that I--

I'd go to work and--

He was the closest
thing to God that we knew.

[chanting in Latin]

[Man] Being Catholic

is, uh, not like
being a Lutheran

or a Presbyterian.

The thing that,
for a lot of non-Catholics

is hard to understand is,

the Church teaches
to salvation, way

if you're Catholic,
is through the Church,

and if you're not in communion with the Church,

you're damned to hell.

And it's not just kind of like without-God hell.

It's fire and brimstone hell for eternity.

Well, the Eucharist,

as we call it
in Catholic theology,

the Holy Communion
of the bread and wine

that for some is the body and blood of Christ,

for others represents the body and blood of Christ.

No matter what you call-- what rules you use,

it's essential to Catholicism.

The power
of the Eucharist

is what the Church
has held over people,

that "I,
as an ordained person

"with
an indelible mark,

"can make
Holy Communion

"is what separates
you from me,

"what separates me

from the average person
going down the street."

And if you think of,
you know,

the earliest commun--
church comminutes,

it wasn't controlled
by the clergy.

It was breaking of bread

and passed around to believing people

as the symbol of Christ's presence--

spiritual presence among us.

But then it has become controlled in many ways,

and politicized.

So, for instance, if you're married and divorced

and remarried but not by a priest,

you can't go to Communion.

If you're gay

and you're not absolutely chaste and celibate,

you can't go to Communion.

If you vote for somebody

who, uh,
approves of abortion,

you can't go to Communion,
according to some.

So it's become a kind
of a politicized reward

for thinking the right way,

when, in effect,
it's none of the above.

[John Manly] I can't think of anything more evil

than a priest using his office,

what the Catholics would callalter Christus,

when the priest raises that host at Mass

and consecrates that host,

the priest becomes one with Christ.

The Catholics believe,

and we're all taught as little kids,

that it's truly Jesus Christ.

To take that hand,

within moments
before or after that,

and place them
and abuse him--nitals

And I think that was part

of the terrible
destruction to the child

that in addition
to all the other...

consequences--
long-term consequences

of being sexually abused,

the spiritual abuse,
um, of being abused

by a--a embodiment
of the divine,
if you will,

um,
was just devastating.

[Nancy] I asked for a meeting with Oliver O'Grady

in '86,

and they told me, you know,

"Vengeance is wrong.

"He's a virtue of priesthood now.

"He's in counseling.
Check your motives.

"God will delve out punishments.

You don't need to."

[Man]
When Nancy Sloan came
to you in the '80s,

she was distressed,
correct?

1986, was it?

Was she distressed?

No, she--she wasn't.

Was she just doing
just fine?

She--
The first time I saw her

was that--that day.

I hadn't known
anything about her.

Uh, she seemed
very composed.

He just went on and on,

lashing out
all this guilt on me,

when I told him, you know,

I just want him
to understand the depth

of the pain that I suffer
on a regular basis,

that how, when I see
a Dodge Duster,

which was the car
that he drove at the time,

how I still pull over
and dry heave.

[Man]
What did she want?

She wanted to know

whether Father O'Grady
was continuing

in, uh, therapy.

What did you tell her?

I told that I would--
I--I thought he was,

but I would check
on it for sure.

Was he?
Yes.

I told him, "You knew
that I was being abused.

"You knew that the abuse
was happening.

How could you not
have done something?"

So Bishop Montrose knew
O'Grady was an abuser?

He knew that O'Grady
had been accused of, uh,

inappropriate touching
in '76.

Just like every other bishop
after '76.

Right?

Yes.

[Nancy] And he said,

"We knew that you
were being abused,

"but you were a girl,

"so we thought
it was normal curiosity.

"Had you been a boy,

"we would have thought
something was wrong with it.

"That would have been obscene

"for him
to have abused a boy,

like homosexual."

[O'Grady] The situation was, I'm alone with the boy.

There wasn't anybody else in the rectory at the time.

I brought him in.

I had been affectionate with him before,

so being affectionate again with him

wasn't that difficult a thing to do, which I was.

And I remember, uh,

just holding him and hugging him

and probably saying some nice things to him,

and he was responding as well, you know.

And the thought that had gone to my mind, actually,

was to...

to take off all his clothes

and to molest him that way.

And I think I may have taken off his T-shirt,

and then I was going to unbuckle his pants,

and there was a feeling--

I didn't know if I wanted to go--

There was a conflict in my mind about,

"Do I really want to do this?

"Uh, here's somebody that I like.

"Here's somebody that I...I respect,

"a family I respect.

Uh, what would he feel like at the end of this?"

Yet, at the other side,

there was urges within me to--to be sexual with him,

and this is an opportunity to be sexual with him

because I wouldn't have this opportunity again

God knows when.

And so I decided not to be affectionate with him,

and yet later, I brought him back into my bedroom again,

and I did unbutton his pants,

take out his penis,

and I began to masturbate him at that time.

And...

I think what I-- in doing that,

I'm not too sure what he was feeling with all--

I think, looking at his face

kind of told me that he was, uh...

a little uneasy about this.

I thought at one point he was going to cry, you know.

One of the few times it had ever happened to me,

I had an orgasm myself...

without him touching me,

and I think that--that ended it right there and then.

So I just tidied him up,

and perhaps I took care of myself, too, in the bathroom alone,

but I tidied him up and put on his T-shirt,

and then I made a decision right there and then.

I was not going to do that again to this boy.

There's Ireland.

Yeah.

He went with us.

Yeah.

There he is
with Grandma and Grandpa.

That's right.
That's you.

Yep.

You're standing there.

Behind the car.

Yeah.

That's your
Communion picture.

Yep.

With Mahony.

I'm angry at Mahony

for claiming that he had
absolutely no knowledge

of this pedophile

who had a file,
a sub-secrete file,

that had pieces of evidence,

that had, you know,

a, um, a father who had--

the Howard father
who had come forward

with his concerns
about the amount of time

that his children were alone
on Oliver O'Grady's days off.

'76 to '84,

that's, I think, when
a lot of the Howards'
situation took place,

and, you know, if I was
involved with them,

I was a danger to them,

but I would have been
a danger to others
as well.

[Man]
Were you concerned

about Father O'Grady's
conduct

with regard to the Howard
family in 1980?

I called him in

and told him that he was
to cease and desist

any more conduct--
uh, contact

with Mrs. Howard
or the Howard family.

He promised to do so,

and I never had
another report

about him
and the Howards.

[O'Grady] I visited with the bishop,

and we had a conference,

and I had mentioned that perhaps I should need some counseling

to get an understanding of this,

and the bishop kind of at that time

said, "Okay, go ahead and do that."

You know, I'd say,
"Bless me, Father,
for I have sinned. I..."

Sometimes it's good
to give them a time limit

as to when your last
confession was,

and so I'm--"Well, I
was with some friends
of mine yesterday,

"and some of them
are young children,

"and I had
the opportunity

"to be alone
with one of them,

"and I did some things

"such as to touch
his private parts,

"and took occasion
to do that a few times

"when he was alone with me,

"and...I want to confess
that right now,

ask forgiveness
and absolution."

If it had come
to your attention

that Father O'Grady told
a, uh, your vicar-general

that he had sexual urges
towards a 9-year-old

or 10-year-old
or an 11-year old,

is that cause to remove him
from ministry?

No.

And the Church
just moved him

to another place
where they have kids.

Why didn't they
just take him out?

Why didn't they admit it?

There was no action
taken

that would remove him
from children,

and so when you transfer him
from one place to another,

it's...just a tragedy
waiting to happen.

[O'Grady] Like again,

the '84 situation, what brought it up

was, you know, I'm not feeling right inside.

There's something not right.

I need to take care of this.

When I had mentioned it to my counselor,

this time a professional counselor--

uh, he was a layman--

He was very helpful, you know?

And, uh, he about pulled the whole tablecloth

out from under me, you know?

And, uh, all of a sudden,

I saw this massive... problem, you know,

that I had,

these tendencies that I had,

and this vale of destruction

that I had created as a result of that.

And that was very frightening,

very difficult to, uh, to comprehend,

and even to want to comprehend

at that particular time

that that was going on.

But that's what he did
when he confronted me,

and said, "I need--
I need to report this,"

and he meant report it
to the authorities--

police department--

and that really
scared me, you know?

That really woke me up.

My counselor suggested

that I now talk
to the bishop's office.

Well, I'm aware right now

that a personnel file
is kept on each person,

so I would
tend to think that,

knowing Mahony as he is,

that he would have
gone through all those

and would have seen
any references

that would have been
in the file

regarding the 1973
and 1976 issues,

and that, I think
should have told him

that there was, you know,
not just a one-shot deal,

but there was at least
two prior situations

that needed
to be dealt with.

I should have been
removed--

Ahem--

...and attended to,

and he should also,
then, have followed up

by attending to the people
that I harmed.

I'd like
if he had done that,

like if all of
the bishops had done that.

Now, I didn't talk
to Mahony right away.

I think I talked
to the other monsignor.

There was
a Monsignor Cain.

Did you think it was
important in 1984

that the Stockton
Police Department

be advised not only
of the information

concerning
young Mr. Howard,

but also
that there had been

a prior allegation
by Nancy Sloan's family

of inappropriate touching?

No.

Well, how would they
uncover

what happened
to Nancy Sloan,

unless someone
from the diocese
told them?

They wouldn't,

and at the time,

the two just
were not related.

They just didn't
coordinate.

What do you mean when you say
they weren't related,

they didn't coordinate?

Well,
at the time of--of..

that he came in in '84

to talk about
this incident,

certainly...

I knew the one in '76
took place,

but I didn't
put the two together.

One was a girl.

It was inappropriate
touching.

The other was a boy,
he said,

so I just didn't
hook them up
in my own mind.

[O'Grady]
Monsignor Cain
then suggested

I talk
to the diocesan
attorney.

Oh, it was very
difficult, yeah,

because I was,
you know, kind of--

you know that kind
of unknowing thing?

Um, I could
be arrested.

Where could I
end up, you know?

This could be...

What will my family think?

What will anybody think

when this happens,
you know?

Mahony did call me.
He was out of town
with some meeting.

I can't remember where.

But when he did get back,
he did talk to me.

I remember
saying to him,

I said,
"You know, Bishop,

"this whole thing
has been going on

for the past"--
and I'd been keeping
a record of the days--

"40 days."

It was, like,
actually 40 days.

I said, "It's"--

I said, "It's been a real
desert experience for me,"

using an analogy
from the Scripture

and, you know, the whole
40 years in the desert

type of thing.

I said, "It's been
a real Lenten
experience for me,

I guess," I said,
"even outside of Lent."

And he was very
supportive, you know.

He was
very compassionate.

I felt at the time--

I think
he was merely calling

to, uh, check
how I was doing,

because
he obviously knew

I had been
very stressed out
over the situation,

and I told him that,
you know.

And he got back to me

and said,
"This is where we are:

Uh, "No charge
is being filed,

"but we are
moving you on,

and here's a couple
of other parts
to the package deal."

The bishop,
the attorneys,

and the police
department

decided that maybe
it was best

to move me on
to another situation

out of the particular
county

in which these
charges will be filed,

and then to, uh--

they'll let me take care
of the business there.

And Mahony's people
promised the police

that he would never
have another parish,

that he wouldn't
be around kids,

and they'd
take care of it.

In the Vatican
Ecclesiastical system,

there's this term
that's used.

It's called bella figura.

It's an Italian word

which means good impression,
good image.

One of the aspects,
one of the--the factors

in a man being successful
in the Church

is that he create
a good image,

and that's what Roger was
very much concerned about,

that there be this image

of a very upright, loyal,
orthodox bishop,

soon to become Archbishop
hopefully,

because he would be the only
choice for the pope

to be the Archbishop
of Los Angeles.

And the thing
he had to do, then,

was to take O'Grady,

to avoid scandal,

and any--any scrutiny
on him in particular,

uh, was to move him
to an outlying parish

far away from where
the police would have
jurisdiction,

which was in Stockton
at the time,

and move him out
to San Andreas--

St. Andrew's in San Andreas--

way out there
in the hinterland,

and put him out there

in a very quiet little bucolic setting,

where there was no other supervisor, just O'Grady,

and nobody would know,

and the police wouldn't know,

the public wouldn't know,

the parishioners and the victims over there wouldn't know,

and Rome wouldn't know.

I'd taken the depositions

of cardinals,
archbishops, and bishops
across this country

for 23 years,

and what I've encountered
is deception, perjury,

denial, and deceit

at the highest levels
of the Catholic Church.

Somebody has represented
to the police,

in the middle of their
active investigation,

that they are going
to transfer O'Grady
out of the parish--

Mm-hmm.

That he will be working
only with adults

and away from children,

and Monsignor Cain
has denied

that he was possessed
of that knowledge.

Mm-hmm.

Under oath.

Uh-huh.

You're the captain
of the ship,

the bishop
if the diocese,

the ordinary in charge.

Um, who else, if you weren't
possessed of this knowledge

and Monsignor Cain wasn't
possessed of this knowledge,

do you think
could have been,

knowing the way
the diocese works

or at least worked in 1984?

Uh, I--I--I just have
no idea of knowing.

I don't know.

I know
that Monsignor Cain

knew that last sentence
existed,

he certainly would
have said something.

He would not have
just let us go ahead

and move him
to San Andreas.

I know that.

So I don't know who--

When they say
"This unit was advised,"

uh...it's--I don't know
who they're referring to.

I have no idea.

To quote the cardinal's
appointment letter,

he put him in "full care

of the souls of that parish
in California."

[O'Grady] This way, it would have been the first time

that I had the total responsibility for a parish.

Up to that time, I was an associate.

It was again working out in a nice, nice way for him

that another situation had been smoothly handled.

[Jeff Anderson]
Do you remember,

uh, receiving this letter
from Father O'Grady?

I don't remember it,
but I recall--

You know,
you show it to me.

I presume I received it.

Okay.
Next sentence states,

"I would like
to write to you

"as one
of the first persons

to whom I owe a great
deal of gratitude."

Period.

"I sincerely thank you

"for all that you
have done for me

in the past few months."

Uh, what did you think
he was referring to there

when he
made that statement?

Uh, nothing in particular.

I thought this was
a overly effusive letter.

I didn't really have
that much relations--

personal relationship
with him.

He was not a priest
that I would golf with

or have dinner with
or anything else,

so he was, I think,

quite flowery
and effusive, basically.

I honestly don't know.

As I say, when I first--

when I saw this again,

and I suspect
the time when I got it,

it's just an overly
effusive letter

that, uh...

Next paragraph states,
quote,

"I am particularly
grateful to you

for your sensitivity to me
and my needs at this time."

What did you think
he referred to there?

Uh, I don't remember.

Really, as I say, I--

I just found
the whole letter

terribly, uh, overstated,

and I imagine at the time

I read it cursorily
and filed it, uh, after--

It probably
would have then--

I didn't answer it
for some time.

I--I didn't feel
it was, uh...

it was important or...

I--I have no idea.

At this point, uh,
looking back at this
12 years ago,

I can't remember
what I thought

when I read this letter.

When I read this,
I was just very puzzled.

I couldn't imagine
what he was referring to.

I--I--I just didn't--

I personally didn't pay
that much attention to it.

You'll notice
I didn't answer it

till almost
three weeks later.

What Cardinal Mahony
did is,

he picked his own career,

and he picked power
and glory

over the children.

It's like the scene
in the Gospel

where it says
that Satan took Christ

to the, uh,
top of a mountain,

and showed Him
all the cities in the world

and all the glory
over the world,

and said,
"This all can be yours

if you'll just bow down
and worship me."

I think that's what
Cardinal Mahony did.

It was the only thing
he could do

to keep his status

and ultimately be exalted
to Cardinal as he was,

uh, not two years later.

♪ Allelujah

[Man] To be married in the Church,

uh, the Catholic Church,

you go through a series of classes

with the priest that, uh,
that you're dealing with.

In our case,
it was Oliver O'Grady.

Uh, those classes--

From what I've heard now,

run between six
and seven weeks,

or six or seven sessions.

Uh, my wife and I
went in for our classes.

We met with the p--
with O'Grady one time.

Uh, he found out that I was
in law enforcement,

and determined
that we did not need

any more further,
uh, marital training,

and, uh, signed us off,

and, uh, we were able to get
married in the Catholic Church

with Oliver O'Grady
presiding at our wedding.

And he was the--the priest

for one of the churches that encompassed half the county,

uh, so he played a major role

in a lot of people's lives,

uh, a lot of families in Calaveras County.

[Manly] He's admitted

that he spent as much time grooming victims

as he did being a priest,

and he was a priest for over 30 years,

spending every waking hour

planning abuse, executing abuse,

thinking about abuse.

So 365 days a year times 30.

He has so many victims,

I don't think he can keep track,

and I think it's in the hundreds.

How young
are the molested kids?

One's what,
3 months, 9 months?

That was
his youngest victim.

Right.

You know, 9 months.

9 months.

To abuse an infant,

you really--

Part of what people
have to do

when they're
talking about this--

and it's so hard,

and no one
wants to do it--

is to really try
to walk through

and picture a grown man

inserting--
forcing his penis

into the vagina
of a baby.

Oliver, have you
ever been diagnosed

with a dissociative
disorder?

I'm sure
I fit the category

of a lot of disorders.

Whatever they are,

you name that,
I'll--I'll jump.

I'm not trying
to be flippant here.

And I am. I'm sorry.

That's okay, but what
I'm trying to say is,

has anybody ever told you

you may dissociate
from events?

I'm sure they have.

Okay.

Is it--

I mean, to me,
as a lay person,

when you molest somebody,

it's sort of
black and white:

either you do
or you don't.

What I get from you,
Oliver, is,

in some instances,

you're not sure
if you molested people.

Correct.

Do you think that's
because it didn't happen,

or do you think
that's because,

either to deal
with the trauma yourself,

or to justify it
or deal with guilt,

whatever
the malady you had was,

do you may be
disassociating

from the reality
of what actually occurred?

I think that would
be accurate, yes.

[Mary Frawley-O'Dea]
He's a very dangerous man,

and a--a aggressive,
assaultive person,

uh, who apparently
would do anything

to get to his victims,

including having sex
with their parents.

When I was little, I was
always talking to everybody.

Uh, and I feel like I had
a lot of...

more hope in me
than--than, uh, doubt.

I'm sure you could ask
all my teachers,

and they'd go, "Yeah.

Uh, smart guy.
I don't know
what happened to him."

O'Grady saw an easy mark in us

because we're brought up--

I was brought up Catholic,

so automatically you see
a guy with a...collar on...

you automatically trust him.

So he moved right in,

and, uh, Becky fell
hook, line, and sinker.

You know, he was the wolf,

and I was the gatekeeper,

and I let the wolf
through the gate.

That's what it's always
felt like to me, you know?

And to know
that you could be--

that I could be so wrong.

I mean, how wrong
could I have been?

I mean, to be
so horribly wrong...

was absolutely devastating.

His whole thing, he would
get into the family

more than just
with the children, you know,

so my mom had been,
uh, involved with him,

and I think that was the--

that was the killer one
there, you know?

And early on I real--

I realized early on
that there was
something wrong,

but my upbringing told me,
nah, that can't happen.

I talk with a lot of, like,
female survivors,

and they talk about,
like, little--little games

to sort of...
segue toward it,

but with--it wasn't
like that with me.

He just started in--
started right in:

grabbing me, touching me,
making me touch him...

telling me that--why would
my folks have brought me here

if they didn't think
it was okay?

Why would they
even have thought that?

Those are the things
that he said.

I failed them once,
and it was huge,

and I'll never do it again.

No, it will never
happen again.

I will not ever...

I will never fail them again.

I was trimming those bushes,
right there,

those little bushes,

the first time it happened.

I went into the house
to eat lunch,

and then he just came in
and closed the door

and he just held me down,
held my head down,

and he fucking sodomized me
right in there.

Right there.

That's not easy to say,
you know.

Fuck, for years
I never even spoke of it,

and every time
I'd get close to a girl

or every time I'd feel like
something was done wrong to me,

I'd go right there.

It would just go in
the bin with it.

That's the kind of--
That's what this shit does.

It doesn't just hurt you.

[Mike Walker] In July of 1993 we had a family

that contacted the Calaveras County Sheriff's Department.

to report that a priest
in San Andreas
in Calaveras County

was molesting members
of the family,

in the family.
specifically two young boys

So the next day
he called me

and he said
he was having a problem.

and he was away
from the parish.

I knew just talking to him
that there was something wrong.

Then we told him
we would help him.

I said,
"If you didn't do
any of these things

"to children,
you have no problem.

There's no way anybody
can accuse you of-- "

Even the word "molestation"
never even entered my mind.

It was just "touching."

I said,
"If you didn't touch
these kids

"in an inappropriate way
or touched them sexually,

"you don't have anything
to worry about.

You don't have a record."

Then he said,
"Well, I had a problem
nine years ago."

When we started
our investigation,

we found out that this had not
been the first incident

that he had been involved in.

Going back as far
as the mid-seventies

he had been involved
with molesting children.

It appeared to us

that there was a lot
of knowledge about that

outside of our community

but none of that information
had reached us.

At that point
we were supporting him.

[Bob sniffles]
Yeah.

Then he was concerned
about his family and stuff.

So I talked
to his family in Ireland

and told them
that we would support him

and make sure he got
represented

and everything like that.

[Walker] At that point we obtained

arrest warrants for Oliver O'Grady

for multiple counts of lewd and lascivious acts with minors.

We served search warrants
at the parish
here in San Andreas,

the rectory here
in San Andreas,

the diocese in Stockton,

and in law offices--
Not law offices,

but the offices
of Cardinal Mahony
in Los Angeles.

[Maria] Then when he asked for the bail money

Bob went and got it.

I went to work
Monday morning--

And I did.

And everybody at work
knew who he was.

They knew he was my friend.

The newspapers had--

It was kind of quiet.

I remember saying,
"What's the matter
with you guys?

How come you're all
acting this way
this morning?"

They said,
"Did you read the paper?"

I said, "No,
I haven't had time to
read the paper yet.

Yeah.

It was exploded
all over the front page
of the newspaper.

I said,
"There's no way Ollie
would touch our kids."

We didn't suspect. We didn't say anything.

Just no way.

Then I called Bob at work

and told him what I saw
in the paper and everything.

I said--
And he said the same
thing to me.

He said, "No way.

There's no way
he would touch our kids."

Then it was almost like
the fear of God got in me.

I told--
He said, "Well,
we have to ask them."

But then we went--

I called her and I said,

"Ann, did you
see the paper?

Did you read about
Father Ollie in the paper?"

She said she didn't
watch the news or something.

I said, "There's all these
allegations against him."

The boys from--
It was the Howard kids
at that time.

And, um...

I was ex--
When I said it to her

I was expecting a response
like "Who's doing this?"

And it was nothing.
It was just absolute silence.

Then I said to her--
I said,

"Ann, I have to ask you."

I said, "Did he ever touch you
when you were a little girl?"

And she--
"I got to go, Mom.

I got to take care
of the dog."

I just knew right then.

I just felt it.

She still wouldn't answer.

I said, "Bob,
you have to call her."

I knew she wouldn't
lie to Bob.

So I asked her.

She called him.

You called her.

I asked her
if he had molested you.

You said,
"Did he ever touch you?"

Yeah.
"Did he ever touch-- "

And she said yes.

And the whole world
collapsed.

I could hear him crying.

I could hear Ann crying
on the other side--

I gave her back the phone,
and...

She came over

and Case DeGroot
came over.

At that point,
it destroyed our lives.

From that day on
it just--

Destroyed our family.

Everything.

Then it's like
you have flashbacks.

Why didn't I see this?

Why didn't I see that?

Right.

It was like...

It was terrible.

I kind of handed Ann
over to this bastard

on a silver platter,
just about.

How did he do it?

He just destroyed--

How did we get fooled
by him so much?

I used to go to work
and he'd be here

saying his morning prayers.

Had the Bible in his hand

and he's saying
morning prayers.

I said, "Good morning, Ollie."

Then he'd be in there
at nighttime molesting Ann.

And during the night
he's molesting my daughter.

Raping her!

Not molesting her!
Raping her!

At five years old!

God's sakes!

How could that happen?

But that's what he did.

It's futile to ask
"How can this be?

Why does this happen?"

The system,
the monarchical,

hierarchical
governmental system

that the people in charge
of the Roman Catholic Church

from the Pope on down
firmly believe was willed
by almighty God

is the reason why
Roger Mahony

is believed to be

substantially
more important and better

than the children
who were ravished by
Oliver O'Grady.

My father won't
walk me down the aisle

because he can't
step in the church.

He's taken my wedding
away from me,

everything in the future.

I constantly am battling
to regain my life back.

Constantly.

I have never
conceived a child.

I'm not married.

I'm 40 years old almost.

I'm 39.

I'm approaching 40
and it's still not over.

When did it stop?
When she was 13?

12.
12, okay.

I asked her,
"Why didn't you tell us
earlier? Why?"

And her answer was to me

that I used to say
that anybody who tried
to hurt you,

I would kill him!

And...

I shouldn't have made
that statement.

She told me that--

She wouldn't say anything!

She asked a little girl
what would happen

if your Dad killed somebody,

and they said
that he would go
to jail forever and ever

and never come out.

She said that day I decided
I could never tell anybody

because she said,
"I knew Dad would kill him."

It was her love for me
that kept her from telling me.

And my love for her--

I feel guilty about that,

but I feel betrayed
by the Church.

The Church had betrayed me
and my family!

They destroyed it.

By golly,
I'm not going to let it
destroy me now.

My name is Tom Doyle.

I've been a Catholic priest
for 35 years.

I've been fired
from two major positions

and sidetracked
from two careers
as a priest in the Church

because I've openly
advocated for the victims

of clergy sexual abuse,

and according to some,

been much too critical
and much too vocal

about the source
of the cover-up:

the manipulation,
the dishonesty

that comes from the top.

When we were serving
the search warrants

the members of the Church
that were responsible

for keeping those records
threw up a lot of roadblocks

in having to contact
their attorneys

to find out what
they had to give to us.

[Man]
Your duties as chancellor

encompass the entire diocese,
correct?

Yes.

If a child had been
sexually abused

during those years,

is it fair to say
that that would have come
to your attention

as Chancellor/Vicar General/
Auxiliary Bishop?

[Man 2]
Calls for speculation.

During which years?

[Man]
When you were an officer
of the Diocese of Fresno

in any of those three offices.

[Man 2]
Object to the term
"officer of the diocese."

[Man]
Go ahead.

I imagine I would have
become aware of that
during that time.

Your testimony is that
no such event occurred?

No, my testimony is
that I cannot recall

something like that
occurring during that time.

Do you think if a child
were raped during
your tenure at Fresno

that that would be something
that you would forget?

[Man 2]
Object. Argumentative.

Harassing.
Instruct the witness
not to answer.

[Man]
Do you think if a child
molestation allegation

had been leveled,
your Eminence,

while you were there
acting as an official
of the diocese

and it came
to your attention,

that would be something
you would forget?

[Man 2]
I'm going to object.

Harassing.
Argumentative.

Asked and answered.

Instruct the witness
not to answer.

[Man]
He hasn't answered
that question.

[Man 2]
Yes, he has.

[Man]
When the diocese was
relating to the police

and they
didn't disclose the fact

that O'Grady had been
previously accused,

do you think they were telling
the whole truth?

Repeat that please.

In '84, when the diocese
was talking to the police,

okay.

The diocese did not talk
to the police in '84.

The diocese attorney did.

I didn't know that
at the time.

Okay.

Do you think that
somebody should have told
the cops, Father--

Or Monsignor, forgive me--

that O'Grady had been
previously accused?

It was in the hands
of our attorney.

Now, hat should be done
or what should not be done

would be his decision.

So basically you left it
to your lawyer to decide

whether or not
to tell the truth.

We left it to our lawyer
to work in the investigation.

At that time,
investigationolice

that we had,

there was one guy
who could speak the truth

and blow the whistle
on Roger Mahony

having known about
Olive O'Grady for years,

and that was Oliver O'Grady.

The night before
he was scheduled to
testify in that trial

the attorneys for
Roger Mahony went to
his jail cell,

cut a deal with him,

a very dark deal that said,

"Oliver, you take
the contempt citation

"and refuse to testify
even though you've
been ordered to,

and we'll take care of you."

And they did.

Does the diocese of Stockton

or any of its representatives

provide for
any economic support
for you right now?

Not at the moment.

Have they in the past?

Not since I left
the priesthood.

They didn't buy you
an annuity?

I believe they did.

Do you get a check
from that annuity?

No, that will not
come into effect

until I'm 65.

Who holds that annuity?

I believe
the diocese holds it.

Are you at all
concerned, Oliver,

that if you give testimony
that hurts the diocese

that they might revoke that?

I have a lot of concerns
about a lot of things,

and I guess that would
be one of them.

My parents don't get
a pension from the Church.

They lost their whole
financial stability from this.

[Bob]
Yeah.

They will never ever
be the same.

My mother is forced
into retirement.

My dad has to quit his job
to take care of her.

Because of what?

Mm-hmm.

Because of some jackass
that was running around

juggling 50 kids at a time,

and some raping mothers.

He abused my parents, too.

The Church abused
my parents, too.

They took our tithes,
they took our tuition money,

and they haven't returned
any of that back to my family.

They deserve all of that back.

There is no excuse

that you pay to send
your kid to school

to get raped, you know,

and to be molested
in the basement

where you're supposed
to be getting an education

or being called
in his office

where he has full reign
to do whatever he wants to you
and send you back to class.

[Anderson] This case,

from the start to finish, was less than two months.

It was strange the speed in which that operated.

We just felt that there was a lot of things that were left hanging

in this investigation,

but because of the speed with which it went

we just weren't able to do our jobs as effectively as we could have.

But they were afraid
of civil discoveryowers

the civil attorneys
were going to find out

that the Church knew
prior to Oliver's ordination

that he probably offended.

He got to serve seven years,

and I testified in the case
that convicted him,

and he's over there
living the life of Reilly.

He's having tea
and living like
a normal person.

He doesn't even have to report
like people here do.

[Doyle] Seeing Oliver walk around loose with kidsis one thing,

but knowing that
he was set up to do that

and he's allowed to do that

and he's going to be paid
to do that by the Church

makes me furious.

I have to agree
with Frank Keating.

He was the former governor
of Oklahoma.

He compared this diocese and the Cardinal

to La Cosa Nostra.

[Man] In 2002, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

asked former Oklahoma governor Frank Keating

to head a national review board

to scrutinize the Catholic Church,

hold bishops accountable,

and guide the Church in how to prevent, report,

and disclose sexual abuse.

Keating resigned after making critical comments

about how some diocese, including Los Angeles,

were and continue to be less than open with the public

and less than honest with themselves.

If you take the position
that you won't get anything
out of me without a subpoena,

the suggestion is
you have something to hide.

For a faith institution,
that's a terrible suggestion.

In Los Angeles,
the documentation,oduce

the records--

Where you find the truth,
or most of the truth--

by the District Attorney
of Los Angeles County,

Cardinal Mahony's lawyers
cooked up this myth

called "formation privilege"

which has no basis
in canon law, civil law,

history, or theology,

that every communication
between a bishop
and one of his priests

is equal to confessional
as far as confidentiality
is concerned.

There are a lot of
privileged communications

in the state of California.

One of them is reporters
in news media of sources.

That's a very highly
protected protection
that you have.

There are between
a husband and wife testifying
against each other.

There are a whole list
of them.

Those are protected
communications,

and so a priest
talking to his bishop

is a protected
communication.

As Christian adults,

Catholic, non-Catholic,

Jewish, whatever,

we should always be
in the business

of protecting children.

The one thing
that always stuck with me

that Mahony didn't...

the children.

He didn't protect them.

He didn't come clean.

He has presided over, um...

the wholesale,
uh, sexual abuse

of dozens and dozens
and dozens of children

in his diocese.

Let me put it this way.

Cardinal Mahony's argument about the documents

is an argument David Koresh would love.

Basically, if doctrine lets you rape kids,

I guess that makes the Archdiocese of Los Angeles

an official cult.

The last place we found O'Grady

was living with a family in Thurles

in the shadow of the seminary he'd attended

with the full knowledge of the bishop,

of the rector of the seminary, with the full knowledge

and the family he was living with didn't know.

And the Garda, the police in Ireland, didn't know.

[O'Grady] I could say that my life has been a failure.

I'd like to think that I can still make some good decisions

and even bright future for myself as a result.

So, do I always
do the right things?

Obviously not, but--

Heh heh.

I think what I'm doing
right now is not alone.

The best thing,
but I think the only thing,

I'm thinking
of writing a letter

to each person that
I have offended sexually
in the past.

I do want
to apologize to them.

I am--
But I don't want that

to be a simple statement.

I think they--

Basically what I want
to say to them:

It should not have happened.

It should not have happened.

If I could invite these people

to come and meet with me one on one

and give them the opportunity to, again, talk to me,

tell me what I did to them.

I need to hear that

and I think they need to say that.

I can't say it's hard to do this.

I'm kind of happy that I am doing it,

but it's going to be a very interesting reunion.

And I really, really, really hope they come.

"I'm writing
this letter to you

"to invite you
to meet with me.

"I would like
to apologize to you again

"for the wrong
I did to you.

"It is my hope
that this opportunity
will allow you

"the freedom to continue
with your life

"knowing that I have
acknowledged my actions
of the past,

"and hopefully enabling you

to continue your life
in a better way from now on."

"I need to acknowledge
to you face to face

that I have molested
you sexually for many years
many years ago."

"In this way I will be able
to respond and apologize

to all those I have offended
in a sexual way."

[scoffs]

[crying]

[Ann]
He's a piece of crap, man.

He remembered
all of our names.

I get so angry to even think
that that guy's alive.

I would kill his mother.

I won't be quoting Scripture.

It won't open with a prayer,

except if anybody wants to,
be they need a--

It might not even close
with a prayer.

I don't expect people
to hug me when they leave.

I don't expect people--

I hope they might
shake hands with me,

and say, "Hey, yeah,
it's over right now."

And I let them
get on with their lives,

and I'm sure they'd be happy
to let me get on with mine.

Come on down, you know?

We'll have a barbe--
It's stupid.

[laughing]

What the fuck is he thinking
writing these letters?

Yeah, that's what
we all need.

To see him?
Are you kidding me?

We don't need
anything from him.

I want to know
what his motivation is.

I do not want to go over there
so he can get his jollies off

collecting his little family
of abuse victims.

[Ann]
Yeah, his little--
His little whatever.

My motivation
of going over there--

If I thought that
he had a heart
at all to touch,

it would be different.

But I think
he's so far gone--

But it would be to disclose
as much as you can

about what you did
while you were here

and putting the nail
in Mahony's coffin

to get the truth
about what he knew.

Those are the people.

Those are the letters,

and all I can say
is Godspeed.

I hope to see
all of you real soon.

I think the little girl
that's 5 years old

that's scared and afraid of him
is still afraid to go.

And then I think,
"I'm a big girl now...

"and what I didn't have
the courage as
a child to tell him...

it might be nice
to tell him something."

[Adam] Healing myself wasn't going to--

It was never pending
on what happened to him.

That's--
It's within me to get better,

not based on anything that--

I felt like
if I was relying

on his punishment
to heal myself,

it seems like that would be
giving too much clout

to the pain that
I'd gone through, you know?

To say that's what I am
and that's who I am--

That's not who I am, so...

When you were a little boy,

were you ever touched
sexually by a priest?

Yes.

And what was
that priest's name?

I can't remember.

Do you know where
it happened?

When I was an altar boy
at St. Michael's Church,

the event happened there.

How many times
did it happen, Oliver?

Not many.
I'd say two or three times.

I think we all go through

an exploratory stage
of that,

but my older brother
did abuse me.

Again, I find it hard
to say the word "abuse"

because I did not consider
that to be abuse at the time.

I think my older brother
initiated it with me.

I remember
in the early stages

feeling uncomfortable
with that.

But later when I found out

that he was also...

being sexual with my sister,

I became curious
and probably got
involved that way.

So the incidents
with your brother
at a younger age,

the incidents with
your brother at an older age
when you were 15?

Yes.

Multiple incidents
with your sister

when she was
approximately nine.

Correct.

Then you had
at least the two incidents

with the visiting priests

when you were 10 or 11.

Yes.

Have you ever thought,
Oliver,

that some of your problems
that you encountered as a priest

that led to your incarceration

may be related to that?

[O'Grady] I have thought about it,

but I can't seem to make a link.

I'm never going to get
what I want out of this.

[Maria]
Not from Mahony.

I'm never going to see them
all in jail.

So who gives a shit
what they think?

You just do
what you want to do

to take care of yourself.

To hell with them.

That's what you
got to do.

We're trying
to uncover the truth.

We're here to support you

and we're here to support
all of the other kids,

because this is big
business to the Church.

This is money
to the Church.

It's like a big
corporation.

We have to ask ourselves

who's paying
for this nightmare,

for this crisis?

Who is obliged
to get involved?

I think we all are.

One of the things
that I've seen

in my time with people
like yourselves

has been a change
in the understanding
of what church is.

Many of us,
when I ask you,

"When you hear
the word 'church,'

what comes to your mind?"

Most of us will think
of bishops, the Vatican,

the hierarchy,
church buildings.

That will be changing,
it is changing,

because church is us.

It's right here
in this room.

25 years ago,

Tom Doyle called
the bishops to action

and put a plan before
the U.S. Catholic
Conference of Bishops,

a comprehensive plan to address the crisis

of pedophilia in the priesthood.

Basically, they wrote a report

and said this is going to
be a massive crisis

that's going to cost the Church a billion dollars unless you do something.

[Wall] They found that there was a national crisis

of children being sexually abused by priests

on a massive scale.

[Doyle] I didn't know what they were doing.

I thought that they would take it and do something

because they were--

the Catholic Bishops
Conference in the United States

were forever giving
pronouncements on everything

from nuclear war to the Boy Scouts to animal husbandry

to chewing gum.

You name it, they were giving pronouncements

on the morality of just about everything.

But on this,
they stonewalled.

Cardinal Ratzinger,
now Pope Benedict,

was head of what's called the Office of the Congregation

for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The head of my church, the successor to Peter,

the Holy Father,

was the person in charge of making sure

that priests didn't hurt children.

He was in charge of that office from 1978 until 2005.

He did a very poor job,

and basically was the one person besides the Pope

who could have stopped it, and he didn't.

What the bishops did
is they squelched the report...

they went back
to their dioceses,

and they carried on as normal.

They knew children were being victimized,

and they did absolutely nothing

except insure that law enforcement and the public

and the faithful would not find out.

The bishops have known that bishops, priests, and deacons

have been sexually
the fourth century,nce

and it's been a severe
major, major problem,

and they've never really been able to curb it.

[Manly] Basically, you have a sexualized priesthood.

It's been sexualized for years,

that looks at child sexual abuse

no different than it does if you're having sex with a woman

because it's all a violation
of clerical celibacy.

If all sex by definition
was bad sex

because you weren't
supposed to be having it,

then pedophilia is just another kind of bad sex.

[Doyle] There is no basis in the scriptures

for mandatory celibacy.

It's not mandated by Christ.

It's not justified anywhere in the gospels

or in the life and times and sayings of Christ.

All 12 apostles were married,

with probably the exception of John.

The first several dozen
popes were married

and had children.

It's something that the institutional Church leaders

began to think about and tried to impose

at least from the fourth century.

Married priests, when they died,

their inheritance went to their oldest son.

So the institutionalized Church leaders,

desiring to stop this practice, began to mandate celibacy

so that when a priest's property had to pass after he died

it would go to the bishop or to the Church.

What we have to remember
is a lot of the priests

who have been reported
as offenders

went into the seminary
at a minor seminary

at ages 14, 15, 16.

They may have been thinking about a vocation even earlier.

They got stopped.

They got literally arrested in their psychosexual development.

[Doyle] They're nurtured in an attitude of negativity

toward relationships, toward women,

toward marriage, and toward sexuality,

and they never really fully understand

what any of these are all about.

[Frawley-O'Dea] So when these men

became unable to be celibate

or when their sexual urges overpowered them,

they sought out victims who they experienced at some level

as psychosexual peers.

The L.A. Timesrecently reported

that 10% of
the seminary graduates
from St. John's Seminary,

where the vast majority
of priests in the western U.S.

went to the seminary,

a full 10% since 1960
of their graduates
are pedophiles.

Perpetrators of children.

10%.

If Yale was producing
10% of its students

that became
to be perpetrators,

somebody would take action.

In Boston, after the final
settlements were made

for about $85 million
a couple of years ago,

one of the priests
said publicly
at an interview,

"Thank God this clergy
crisis is over.

Now we can get back
to normal."

The situation was far worse

than even what
the most hardened cynic

thought was going on.

Cardinal Law was the Archbishop of Boston.

Presided over some of the worst sexual abusers

in the history of the Church.

It was something

that ultimately caused Cardinal Law to step down.

You would think, if you presided

over the abuse of, uh, dozens of children,

that that would mean you would be sent to a punishment.

You know, the Vatican didn't even make it a secret.

They thought he was unfairly accused in the media.

They made him the Cardinal Archbishop

of this church in Rome,

and he actually presided at Pope John Paul II's funeral Mass.

What's happening
in Los Angeles

does in many ways dwarf
what happened in Boston.

As of June 2002,

we had over 100 criminal
investigations ongoing,

and that encompassed
over 100 individual priests.

What that tells you

is how large the scope
of this problem is.

I think the Vatican
is looking for a way

to say
"We've solved this,"

and they
are scapegoating--

because so many
of the victims
were male victims,

they're scapegoating
the homosexual priests

and saying "If we get rid
of the homosexual priests,

then we'll be rid
of this problem."

Most men
who abuse children

are heterosexual.

The Bishops' Conference,
I think,

would like to project
that this problem
is now over with.

It's taken care of.
They have solved it,

and it's now under control,

which is a normal
corporate approach

to something of this nature.

I'm sure that the guys
in Enron thought that, too,

when they were, uh,
discovered.

Every day, every week,

I learn of another, uh,
uh, child, young adult,

uh, uh, offended by a cleric

who hasn't been disclosed
before this day,

and my fear is, my belief is,
that there are not hundreds,

but there are thousands
of offenders

yet to be exposed
and disclosed

still roaming the churches

in the landscapes
in this U.S.,

and tens of thousands--

tens of thousands worldwide.

What is a good Catholic?

A good Catholic
traditionally

is someone who kept
their mouth shut,

their pocketbook open,
you know--

[light laughter]

Paid, prayed, and obeyed,

was docile, went to Mass,

obeyed
all the Commandments,

went to Confession
on a regular basis.

For the most part,
was ritualized,
obedient, and quiet.

But a good Catholic
is not that at all.

A good Catholic
is a Catholic

in the model
of Jesus Christ:

a revolutionary,

someone who's not afraid--

[applause]

Someone who's not afraid

to get up
and speak the truth.

Remember, the only time
Christ ever got angry

was when He went to church.

And as we speak,
Tom Doyle goes to Rome,

not because the Pope's
gonna hear him,

but because he has to do
what they should be
doing,

and making those
known offenders,

such
as Oliver O'Grady,

who now resides
in Ireland,

uh, known to the community
as an offender.

[Doyle] I think a lot of the people in Rome

are in deep denial

about just how serious this issue is.

Never attempted this
before, honestly.

Pronto.

Mi chiamo Patrizio Wall.

Uh, I'm calling,
uh, Father Tom Doyle,

who is in America.

Yes,
you know Father Thomas?

Yeah.
He will be coming to Rome.

As far as I know,
he's in Rome,

trying to help two victims,

one of whom's our client,
Ann Jyono.

Uh, they have an appointment

with somebody at the Holy See

to--to hear their-- their complaint.

[Bob] I'm doing this for my daughter,

but I said to her,

"if you do it
for the other victims

"and the children...

"or...

the kids..."

"I'll help."

By golly.

People got to know!

It's not right.

They haven't a clue,
you know,

if it hasn't
happened to them.

Nobody has a clue.

They have no idea
what it does to people.

And we're not victims--

Destroys you everywhere.

...in that sense,
but Ann was a victim.

She was raped
by this priest!

People understand,
he isn't a pedophile,
he's a rapist!

My anger's so hard.

[Doyle] Right now, I'm in Rome,

and I'm waiting to meet with the Jyonos,

a family whose children

have been sexually abused by Oliver O'Grady.

Uh, I've not met them. I'm going to meet them,

and my purpose is to hopefully help them

begin a healing process.

Good morning.
How are you doing?

Good morning.

How do you feel?

This is Ann.

[Doyle]
And what I'm gonna do is,

if we preface this
with a short sentence

and say...

bishops, archbishops,
and cardinals

have consistently lied
to us and to the public

and to law enforcement
agencies

about the cover-up

of sexual abuse
by the clergy, period.

Uh, we'll address it
to the Pope,

and it'll be from you
specifically,

but speaking in the name
of all those

who have been
victimized and molested,

and I'm gonna put it
in language that they will--

direct language
they'll understand.

A lot has changed
in the Catholic Church
this year,

but it's still having trouble

responding to the victims
of sexual abuse by priests.

Today, two American women
came to the Vatican

hoping to deliver a letter
to the new Pope.

The guards
wouldn't let them in.

Since we are survivors
of clergy abuse,

it has been a very
difficult journey,

and we have come
thousands of miles

to try to plead

for some sort of mercy
and assistance

with our journey
in pain and healing.

We seek, uh,
to regain our faith.

[Doyle] And instead of...

embracing them, reaching out to them,

the institutional church not only rejected them,

but they revictimized them.

They abused them by pointing them out to be--

making them out to be an enemy of the Church.

I--I got them alone at one point

and expressed a sincere apology,

my profound regrets as to what had happened to them,

and I apologized to them

in the name of the institution,

the clergy, and the priests,

which I am still legally a part of.

And both of them said,

"No one has ever said this to us before."

I made up my mind.

There is no God.

I do not believe
in a God, all right?

All of these rules,
everything...

they're made up
by man, you know?

I've tried to find...

what it is that...

brought religion
to where it is today,

why, you know,

what differences and, um...

the similarities
in all of them,

and I think that that's
a big thing for me

is that they all...

share some common theme
or philosophy at some level,

and you can't say
"This one, not that one"

without alienating
someone, so--

and that's not--
that wasn't the message

of Jesus or Buddha
or Mohammad or anybody,

so what's--

They're already off-base
at that point,

and that happened
a long time ago,

so...I think
it's just all...

all where...

the only place
it could have gone

is the wrong direction.

What we need to do
as a Church

is to acknowledge
our good days
and our bad days,

our good times
and our bad times.

Somehow we always
seem to look back

and say, "Well,
there were dark
moments and times

"in our history.

We would rather
not dwell on them."

In a very poetic way,
you see?

And that's very nice.

But it's not reality.

What I'd like to hear
to say, "Hey,

"you know, we had one
heck of an awful time

there
in the Middle Ages."

But you know what?
We're still here.

And that's the point,

if the Church
could see it.

♪♪ [guitar]

♪ I've heard there was a secret chord ♪

♪ That David played, and it pleased the Lord ♪

♪ But you don't really care for music ♪

♪ Do you?

♪ Well, it goes like this: the fourth, the fifth ♪

♪ The minor fall, the major lift ♪

♪ The baffled king composing ♪

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Maybe there's a God above ♪

♪ But all that I've ever learned from love ♪

♪ Was how to shoot somebody ♪

♪ Who outdrew you

♪ It's not a cry that you hear at night ♪

♪ It's not somebody who's seen the light ♪

And I'm here speaking
on behalf of Brandon...

with his parents today

because this offender...

is still in ministry.

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

[children shouting]

♪ Baby, I've been here before ♪

♪ I've seen this room, and I've walked this floor ♪

♪ I used to live alone before I knew you ♪

♪ I've seen your flag on the marble arch ♪

♪ And love is not a victory march ♪

♪ It's a cold, and it's a broken Hallelujah ♪

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Well, there was a time when you'd let me know ♪

♪ What's really going on below ♪

♪ But now you never show that to me, do you? ♪

♪ But remember when I moved in you ♪

♪ And the Holy Dove was moving too ♪

♪ And every breath we drew was Hallelujah ♪

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ You say I took the name in vain ♪

♪ I don't even know the name ♪

♪ And if I did

♪ Well, really, what's it to you? ♪

♪ There's a blaze of light in every word ♪

♪ It doesn't matter which you heard ♪

♪ The holy or the broken Hallelujah ♪

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ I did my best, but it wasn't much ♪

♪ I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch ♪

♪ I've told the truth

♪ I didn't come here to fool you ♪

♪ And even though it all went wrong ♪

♪ I'll stand before the Lord of Song ♪

♪ With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah ♪

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

♪ Hallelujah

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