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Over here! 9 00:00:52,709 --> 00:00:53,959 (static stops) 10 00:00:54,042 --> 00:00:56,083 (girl panting) (crickets chirping) 11 00:00:58,292 --> 00:00:59,876 (twig snaps) 12 00:01:01,250 --> 00:01:03,959 (girl panting) 13 00:01:06,584 --> 00:01:07,626 Girl: Please! 14 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:11,626 (girl grunts) 15 00:01:13,375 --> 00:01:15,292 (feedback) 16 00:01:15,375 --> 00:01:17,667 (static) 17 00:01:17,751 --> 00:01:18,792 (girl screams) 18 00:01:24,876 --> 00:01:26,667 (computer mouse clicks) 19 00:01:26,751 --> 00:01:30,292 (ominous music playing) 20 00:02:22,834 --> 00:02:25,209 (sirens approaching) 21 00:02:32,292 --> 00:02:35,209 ♪ ♪ 22 00:02:36,751 --> 00:02:39,250 (sirens approaching) 23 00:02:53,751 --> 00:02:56,250 Dispatcher on phone: 911, what is the address of your emergency? 24 00:02:56,334 --> 00:02:59,250 Officer: Waukesha County, I'm gonna transfer over a caller on Big Bend. 25 00:02:59,334 --> 00:03:02,292 That's a dead end just south of Rivera. 26 00:03:02,375 --> 00:03:05,209 Dispatcher: Okay. Officer: He came upon a 12-year-old female. 27 00:03:05,292 --> 00:03:06,792 She appears to have been stabbed. 28 00:03:06,876 --> 00:03:08,250 Dispatcher: She appears to be what? 29 00:03:08,334 --> 00:03:09,584 Officer: Stabbed. Dispatcher: Stabbed? 30 00:03:09,667 --> 00:03:10,751 Officer: Correct. 31 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,542 On Saturday, May 31st, 2014, at approximately 9:50 a.m., 32 00:03:17,626 --> 00:03:19,542 the Waukesha Police Department was notified 33 00:03:19,626 --> 00:03:21,083 by a concerned citizen 34 00:03:21,167 --> 00:03:22,959 that a 12-year-old girl was stabbed 35 00:03:23,042 --> 00:03:26,334 in the area of Big Bend Road in the city of Waukesha. 36 00:03:26,417 --> 00:03:29,584 Female reporter: The stabbing brought a huge police presence to the area, 37 00:03:29,667 --> 00:03:34,000 a major search by ground and air looking for two other girls. 38 00:03:34,083 --> 00:03:35,626 Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser 39 00:03:35,709 --> 00:03:37,500 are accused of stabbing their friend 40 00:03:37,584 --> 00:03:38,918 and leaving her for dead. 41 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,876 Male reporter: Weier and Geyser lured Payton into the woods 42 00:03:41,959 --> 00:03:44,167 Male reporter 2: Police say that's when Geyser, holding the knife, 43 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:47,292 was told by Weier, "Go ballistic, go crazy." 44 00:03:47,375 --> 00:03:49,542 ♪ ♪ 45 00:03:49,626 --> 00:03:50,876 Attorney: And what happened? 46 00:03:50,959 --> 00:03:53,250 Payton said, "Then she started." 47 00:03:53,334 --> 00:03:55,125 Male reporter 3: Geyser began to stab the 12-year-old, 48 00:03:55,209 --> 00:03:58,459 as she screamed, 19 times with a five-inch blade. 49 00:03:58,542 --> 00:04:00,834 Sheriff: In the arms, legs, and torso. 50 00:04:00,918 --> 00:04:03,667 Male reporter: One of the knife wounds missed a major artery 51 00:04:03,751 --> 00:04:06,375 near her heart by just a millimeter. 52 00:04:06,459 --> 00:04:08,584 ♪ ♪ 53 00:04:08,667 --> 00:04:10,167 Female reporter 2: Payton somehow survived. 54 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:11,709 She crawled out of those woods. 55 00:04:11,792 --> 00:04:14,167 Female reporter 3: A bicyclist found her on the sidewalk, 56 00:04:14,250 --> 00:04:16,334 covered in blood and begging for help. 57 00:04:16,417 --> 00:04:20,167 When asked who attacked her, she said, "My best friend." 58 00:04:21,667 --> 00:04:24,083 Police say the suspects were inspired by a character 59 00:04:24,167 --> 00:04:26,083 on a website called Creepypasta, 60 00:04:26,167 --> 00:04:27,918 a site filled with scary stories. 61 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,334 Now, the story they followed 62 00:04:29,417 --> 00:04:31,626 was about a character called Slenderman. 63 00:04:31,709 --> 00:04:35,459 A tall, fictional boogeyman featured on Internet blogs. 64 00:04:35,542 --> 00:04:37,375 Slenderman, a faceless ghoul 65 00:04:37,459 --> 00:04:39,125 many parents have likely never heard of. 66 00:04:39,209 --> 00:04:41,083 Female reporter 4: If you don't know who Slenderman is-- 67 00:04:41,167 --> 00:04:44,167 well, we didn't either, but plenty of young kids do. 68 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:46,292 If you don't know who Slenderman is, you live under a rock. 69 00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:47,292 Who's that? 70 00:04:47,375 --> 00:04:50,417 (static) (boy yelling) Run! Run! Run! 71 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:52,167 Oh my god, run! No, run! 72 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:55,042 Boy 2: Oh my god! Girl: Oh my god! 73 00:04:55,125 --> 00:04:57,042 Male reporter 2: Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser 74 00:04:57,125 --> 00:04:59,083 were found walking near the interstate. 75 00:04:59,167 --> 00:05:01,167 They later told police they planned to walk 76 00:05:01,250 --> 00:05:02,834 to Slenderman's mansion. 77 00:05:02,918 --> 00:05:04,292 Female reporter 5: Police say it's also who 78 00:05:04,375 --> 00:05:07,000 the young suspects claimed they wanted to please. 79 00:05:07,083 --> 00:05:10,250 Detective Trussoni: Anissa felt as though she needed to prove 80 00:05:10,334 --> 00:05:13,626 that Slenderman existed and would be able to do that by killing somebody. 81 00:05:13,709 --> 00:05:17,584 And Morgan said that her family would be in danger if they didn't. 82 00:05:17,667 --> 00:05:20,042 Prosecutors have charged the girls as adults. 83 00:05:20,125 --> 00:05:21,500 If convicted on the charges, 84 00:05:21,584 --> 00:05:23,375 each 12-year-old faces 85 00:05:23,459 --> 00:05:26,751 up to 65 years in prison. 86 00:05:26,834 --> 00:05:30,375 (static) 87 00:05:36,667 --> 00:05:38,459 (Morgan speaks matter-of-factly) 88 00:05:39,709 --> 00:05:40,792 (Detective Casey speaks) 89 00:05:41,792 --> 00:05:43,083 (Morgan speaks) 90 00:05:46,334 --> 00:05:48,959 ♪ ♪ 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,375 (Detective Trussoni speaking on video) 92 00:06:01,751 --> 00:06:03,083 (crying) 93 00:06:29,834 --> 00:06:31,626 (Casey speaks matter-of-factly) 94 00:06:31,709 --> 00:06:33,167 (Morgan speaks on video) 95 00:06:34,709 --> 00:06:36,626 (Casey speaks) 96 00:06:36,709 --> 00:06:38,584 (Morgan speaks) 97 00:06:38,667 --> 00:06:40,584 (Casey speaks) 98 00:06:40,667 --> 00:06:42,751 (Morgan speaking) 99 00:06:52,459 --> 00:06:55,542 ♪ ♪ 100 00:06:58,542 --> 00:07:01,751 Attorney: Did it seem to you at any point during your interview with Morgan 101 00:07:01,834 --> 00:07:04,209 that she was remorseful about what she had done? 102 00:07:04,292 --> 00:07:06,667 Absolutely none. 103 00:07:06,751 --> 00:07:09,751 Attorney: Did she cry at all at any point during your interview of her? 104 00:07:09,834 --> 00:07:11,834 There was no emotion from her at all. 105 00:07:11,918 --> 00:07:13,584 ♪ ♪ 106 00:07:19,125 --> 00:07:22,375 Attorney: Did you, after discussing the incident itself, 107 00:07:22,459 --> 00:07:24,500 have any conversation with Payton 108 00:07:24,584 --> 00:07:28,125 about how she felt about Morgan and Anissa at this point? 109 00:07:28,209 --> 00:07:34,209 She said that Morgan should go to jail for the rest of her life... 110 00:07:34,292 --> 00:07:38,334 and that Anissa should go to jail too, but not as long 111 00:07:38,417 --> 00:07:41,709 because she was involved but she didn't stab her. 112 00:07:41,792 --> 00:07:43,209 She just stood there and watched. 113 00:07:43,292 --> 00:07:45,000 ♪ ♪ 114 00:07:53,834 --> 00:07:55,125 Angie Geyser on video: Hi, Morgan. 115 00:07:55,209 --> 00:07:58,500 (babbles) Angie: Hi, Morgan. 116 00:08:04,042 --> 00:08:05,250 (discordant notes) 117 00:08:08,542 --> 00:08:12,250 Angie: Morgan was a surprise. 118 00:08:12,334 --> 00:08:17,500 And I didn't know how to feel about it at first... 119 00:08:18,542 --> 00:08:21,792 but I knew that I loved her. 120 00:08:24,667 --> 00:08:25,584 Yay! 121 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:29,918 Angie: And she changed our lives drastically 122 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,417 and for the better. 123 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:33,792 (babbles) 124 00:08:33,876 --> 00:08:35,542 Angie: Morgan's always been quirky, 125 00:08:35,626 --> 00:08:38,542 and she's always marched to the beat of her own drum. 126 00:08:41,209 --> 00:08:44,542 Even from-- from little on... 127 00:08:44,626 --> 00:08:47,876 she didn't care what people think about her, 128 00:08:47,959 --> 00:08:53,417 which I think is a wonderful trait, especially for-- for a girl. 129 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:55,292 Girls are usually so-- 130 00:08:55,375 --> 00:08:57,459 so self-conscious and concerned about-- 131 00:08:57,542 --> 00:09:01,334 about what others think of them, and Morgan was never like that. 132 00:09:01,417 --> 00:09:04,209 You know, she just... (sighs) 133 00:09:04,292 --> 00:09:06,334 She always just did her own thing, 134 00:09:06,417 --> 00:09:08,250 and if people didn't like it, 135 00:09:08,334 --> 00:09:10,918 well, that was their problem. (chuckles) 136 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,751 Kitties and puppies aren't wild animals. 137 00:09:15,834 --> 00:09:18,626 Angie: No, that's right. They're not. They're pets. 138 00:09:18,709 --> 00:09:20,209 Angie: I had a camera in her face 139 00:09:20,292 --> 00:09:22,250 for a good portion of her childhood, 140 00:09:22,334 --> 00:09:25,500 so I think she got sick of it sometimes. (mimics meowing) 141 00:09:30,125 --> 00:09:34,751 She got a real miniature baby grand piano for Christmas one year. 142 00:09:34,834 --> 00:09:37,584 (playing music, singing) And she would sit there for quite a long time, 143 00:09:37,667 --> 00:09:40,542 just making up sweet little songs. 144 00:09:40,626 --> 00:09:43,375 And we tried to capture as many of them as we could on video, 145 00:09:43,459 --> 00:09:46,876 but usually as soon as she realized that we were paying attention 146 00:09:46,959 --> 00:09:50,000 or recording her, she would stop. (chuckles) 147 00:09:50,083 --> 00:09:54,792 ♪ They'll stay stray forever ♪ 148 00:09:55,751 --> 00:09:56,876 (crying, sniffles) 149 00:09:56,959 --> 00:10:00,792 One thing about Morgan that always struck us... 150 00:10:00,876 --> 00:10:05,459 as a little... odd was that she... 151 00:10:06,459 --> 00:10:08,959 (sighs) She didn't react the way 152 00:10:09,042 --> 00:10:12,834 that you would expect her to react... 153 00:10:12,918 --> 00:10:15,292 like at the movies. 154 00:10:15,375 --> 00:10:21,250 Like, if something bad happened to the main character, she... 155 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:24,167 she wouldn't have empathy for them. 156 00:10:24,250 --> 00:10:25,751 ♪ ♪ Bambi, come here! 157 00:10:27,584 --> 00:10:28,876 Look. 158 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:31,334 New spring grass. 159 00:10:31,417 --> 00:10:35,709 Angie: I remember watching "Bambi" with her for the first time. 160 00:10:35,792 --> 00:10:37,918 We were so worried to watch it with her, 161 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,000 because we thought she was gonna be so upset when-- when the mother died. 162 00:10:42,083 --> 00:10:46,042 ♪ ♪ Bambi, quick! The thicket! 163 00:10:49,292 --> 00:10:50,375 (gunshot) 164 00:10:51,751 --> 00:10:54,375 Faster! Faster, Bambi! 165 00:10:54,459 --> 00:10:59,709 Don't look back! Keep running! Keep running! 166 00:11:02,667 --> 00:11:04,292 (gunshot) 167 00:11:04,375 --> 00:11:07,375 But the mother died, and Morgan just said, 168 00:11:07,459 --> 00:11:10,459 "Run Bambi, run! Get out of there, save yourself!" 169 00:11:10,542 --> 00:11:13,375 (laughs) You know? And she wasn't sad about it. 170 00:11:13,459 --> 00:11:15,834 ♪ ♪ (panting) We made it! 171 00:11:17,209 --> 00:11:18,834 We made it, Mother! 172 00:11:19,834 --> 00:11:20,876 We... 173 00:11:21,834 --> 00:11:22,959 Mother! 174 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,709 And I could think of... (sniffles) 175 00:11:28,792 --> 00:11:32,417 a lot of other examples along those lines 176 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:34,375 where she hasn't reacted in the way 177 00:11:34,459 --> 00:11:37,709 that we would expect a little girl to react. 178 00:11:37,792 --> 00:11:40,542 ♪ ♪ (static) 179 00:11:48,542 --> 00:11:52,667 Angie: We were aware that Morgan was interested in Slenderman. 180 00:11:52,751 --> 00:11:55,292 (distorted scream) (static) 181 00:11:55,375 --> 00:11:59,584 She would show us some of the characters and some of the stories. 182 00:12:01,584 --> 00:12:03,876 While I wasn't thrilled about her interest, 183 00:12:03,959 --> 00:12:06,042 I didn't really see the harm in it either. 184 00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:11,417 We never thought for a moment that she... 185 00:12:12,542 --> 00:12:16,918 She could possibly believe that it was real. 186 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,417 When I was Morgan's age, I-- 187 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:24,083 I remember biking home from the library with Stephen King's "It." 188 00:12:24,167 --> 00:12:27,751 You know, so I liked that sort of thing too when I was her age, 189 00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:33,125 and I think most kids her age do like scary stories and horror movies and... 190 00:12:33,209 --> 00:12:37,292 scary stories on the Internet, you know? So, that's all that we-- 191 00:12:37,375 --> 00:12:39,375 that's all that we thought that it was. 192 00:12:41,209 --> 00:12:43,667 I just can't imagine her... 193 00:12:43,751 --> 00:12:47,626 I can't imagine her coming up with that plan on her own. 194 00:12:49,584 --> 00:12:52,292 ♪ My bonnie... ♪ 195 00:12:53,209 --> 00:12:58,375 ♪ My bonnie lies over the ocean ♪ 196 00:12:58,459 --> 00:13:03,417 ♪ My bonnie lies over the sea ♪ 197 00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:08,125 ♪ My bonnie lies over the ocean ♪ 198 00:13:08,209 --> 00:13:12,751 ♪ So bring back my bonnie to me ♪ 199 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:14,542 (birds chirping) 200 00:13:14,626 --> 00:13:19,250 ♪ Bring back, bring back ♪ 201 00:13:19,334 --> 00:13:23,709 ♪ Oh, bring back my bonnie to me ♪ 202 00:13:25,292 --> 00:13:27,042 ♪ Bring back! ♪ 203 00:13:27,876 --> 00:13:29,667 ♪ Bring back ♪ ♪ Back ♪ 204 00:13:29,751 --> 00:13:35,667 ♪ Oh, bring back my bonnie to me ♪ ♪ Bonnie... me ♪ 205 00:13:35,751 --> 00:13:37,667 (mouse clicking) 206 00:13:44,167 --> 00:13:47,250 Bill Weier: She lost a tooth, so the tooth fairy gave her a dollar. 207 00:13:47,334 --> 00:13:49,167 It was that tooth. 208 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:51,000 I was telling her-- I was like, "A dollar?" 209 00:13:51,083 --> 00:13:53,334 I said, "I only ever got quarters from the tooth fairy." 210 00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:56,584 (chuckles) She was happy. 211 00:13:56,667 --> 00:13:58,167 The tooth fairy gave her a dollar. 212 00:14:01,584 --> 00:14:02,626 (mouse clicks) 213 00:14:02,709 --> 00:14:05,500 This was the last video I have. 214 00:14:05,584 --> 00:14:09,751 This was at the end of her sixth grade year for school. 215 00:14:09,834 --> 00:14:13,918 Choir: ♪ Hush, hush, somebody's callin' my name ♪ 216 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,083 ♪ Hush! Somebody's callin' my name ♪ 217 00:14:18,167 --> 00:14:21,959 ♪ Hush, hush, somebody's callin' my name ♪ 218 00:14:22,042 --> 00:14:26,209 ♪ Oh my Lord, oh my Lord, what should I do? ♪ 219 00:14:29,751 --> 00:14:31,125 (Bill sighs) 220 00:14:32,167 --> 00:14:35,083 Yes, this is Anissa's very pink bedroom. 221 00:14:37,751 --> 00:14:41,125 At the time that we painted this, pink was the thing. 222 00:14:41,209 --> 00:14:42,959 (purring) 223 00:14:43,042 --> 00:14:46,417 Anissa's his person. Tiger is Anissa's cat. 224 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:49,417 After Anissa left... 225 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:51,500 he would come up here and he'd spend a lot of time 226 00:14:51,584 --> 00:14:53,042 just walking around, nosing around, 227 00:14:53,125 --> 00:14:54,459 looking for Anissa. 228 00:14:56,042 --> 00:14:58,250 You know, nobody uses... 229 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:01,584 the bed while she's gone. 230 00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:04,334 I don't know, maybe the cat does, but... 231 00:15:04,417 --> 00:15:07,250 I guess it just made more sense to take everything apart 232 00:15:07,334 --> 00:15:10,584 and wash it and when she comes home, 233 00:15:10,667 --> 00:15:12,709 it's all clean and ready to go. 234 00:15:13,667 --> 00:15:15,792 It's just a matter of when. 235 00:15:18,375 --> 00:15:21,500 She would come in here to practice choir. 236 00:15:21,584 --> 00:15:25,042 She did projects that she would have to FaceTime 237 00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:27,125 with two or three different kids 238 00:15:27,209 --> 00:15:29,667 from this flight academy class she was in. 239 00:15:29,751 --> 00:15:31,667 'Cause I'd pop in on a regular basis. 240 00:15:31,751 --> 00:15:33,417 I'd just you know, "What are you doing?" 241 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:38,334 I see a face on the iPad. "Okay, who are you talking to?" 242 00:15:38,417 --> 00:15:40,584 You know, "What are you guys working on?" 243 00:15:41,876 --> 00:15:44,209 And then you know, most days... 244 00:15:45,834 --> 00:15:48,792 you know, 7:30, "Anissa, you're done with your iPad. 245 00:15:48,876 --> 00:15:52,292 Shut it down, come downstairs, be with your family." 246 00:15:54,459 --> 00:15:55,751 And she never argued. 247 00:15:57,375 --> 00:16:01,876 People have asked me if I saw any signs in my daughter and this and that. 248 00:16:01,959 --> 00:16:05,209 And I'm just like, "No. I knew what she was doing in here. 249 00:16:05,292 --> 00:16:09,959 Because when she wasn't doing her choir practice, that door was open." 250 00:16:11,751 --> 00:16:13,167 You know, all of the kids-- 251 00:16:13,250 --> 00:16:15,459 not just Anissa, all of them-- they know... 252 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:19,542 there's no closed doors in this house unless you're... 253 00:16:19,626 --> 00:16:21,959 fresh out of the shower or getting ready for bed. 254 00:16:23,292 --> 00:16:24,334 So... 255 00:16:25,792 --> 00:16:28,000 for people to say... 256 00:16:29,042 --> 00:16:30,751 I wasn't involved... 257 00:16:32,584 --> 00:16:37,292 Apart from sitting in the corner and watching every move she makes, 258 00:16:37,375 --> 00:16:39,500 I don't know how much more involved I could've been. 259 00:16:39,584 --> 00:16:43,083 ♪ ♪ 260 00:16:43,167 --> 00:16:45,000 My focus is Anissa... 261 00:16:45,918 --> 00:16:47,042 not Slenderman. 262 00:17:02,417 --> 00:17:05,876 ♪ ♪ 263 00:17:31,667 --> 00:17:35,042 (cameras clicking) (chains clinking) 264 00:17:42,709 --> 00:17:44,292 Forensics man on video: And what is your name? 265 00:17:44,375 --> 00:17:47,042 Anissa Weier. Anissa, okay. 266 00:17:47,125 --> 00:17:49,459 (camera clicking) 267 00:17:49,542 --> 00:17:50,918 Okay, Just kind of... 268 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,083 give me a look. Give me a look. 269 00:17:54,667 --> 00:17:56,751 ♪ ♪ 270 00:18:06,083 --> 00:18:07,334 (man whispers) Morgan. 271 00:18:09,918 --> 00:18:11,584 How you doing? Morgan: Fine. 272 00:18:11,667 --> 00:18:12,626 Man: Come on up. 273 00:18:12,709 --> 00:18:14,834 (forensics man speaking on video) 274 00:18:15,959 --> 00:18:18,542 (Morgan speaks) Morgan, all right. 275 00:18:33,334 --> 00:18:36,042 (people whispering) 276 00:18:42,292 --> 00:18:43,792 (Morgan speaks on video) 277 00:18:45,542 --> 00:18:48,209 (Casey speaking) 278 00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:49,667 (Morgan speaking) 279 00:18:57,626 --> 00:18:59,042 (Casey speaks) 280 00:19:19,417 --> 00:19:21,167 (Anissa speaks) 281 00:19:21,250 --> 00:19:22,375 (Trussoni speaks) 282 00:19:30,167 --> 00:19:31,209 Hmm. 283 00:19:33,167 --> 00:19:34,209 Okay. 284 00:19:37,709 --> 00:19:39,250 Bailiff: All rise, please. 285 00:19:41,834 --> 00:19:43,918 Judge Bohren: I thank you. Please be seated. 286 00:19:46,667 --> 00:19:51,542 Court will call the matter, State of Wisconsin versus Morgan E. Geyser 287 00:19:51,626 --> 00:19:55,167 and also State versus Anissa E. Weier. 288 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:59,876 Good morning. The case is here today on a number of matters. 289 00:19:59,959 --> 00:20:05,250 The first matter I'll address is the issue of... competency. 290 00:20:06,125 --> 00:20:08,792 (Trussoni speaking on video) 291 00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:12,417 (Anissa speaks) They're glad-- they're-- 292 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,250 (crying) 293 00:20:28,125 --> 00:20:30,250 (Casey speaking) 294 00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:36,209 (Morgan speaks) 295 00:20:41,834 --> 00:20:43,209 (Morgan speaks on video) (Casey speaks) 296 00:20:49,959 --> 00:20:52,667 Morgan on video: Uhh... 297 00:20:55,584 --> 00:20:57,792 (matter-of-factly) 298 00:21:00,876 --> 00:21:02,709 (Trussoni speaks) 299 00:21:07,751 --> 00:21:10,125 (crying) So... ♪ ♪ 300 00:21:12,167 --> 00:21:14,000 (no discernible dialog) 301 00:21:20,709 --> 00:21:23,125 There was a sleepover the prior night 302 00:21:23,209 --> 00:21:25,375 for Morgan's 12th birthday. 303 00:21:26,751 --> 00:21:30,834 We knew that there was Anissa, Morgan, 304 00:21:30,918 --> 00:21:35,375 and a third girl that we've never met... 305 00:21:36,584 --> 00:21:40,209 and that they were all at Morgan's house. 306 00:21:40,292 --> 00:21:42,626 Angie: Morgan and Anissa have only known each other 307 00:21:42,709 --> 00:21:44,876 since they started sixth grade. 308 00:21:44,959 --> 00:21:47,667 They met because they-- they rode the same bus. 309 00:21:47,751 --> 00:21:49,292 ♪ ♪ 310 00:21:49,375 --> 00:21:53,667 We were so happy that Morgan had made a good friend 311 00:21:53,751 --> 00:21:58,000 so-- so close, someone else in the neighborhood. 312 00:21:58,083 --> 00:22:01,667 (sniffles) We were-- we were so happy for her... 313 00:22:01,751 --> 00:22:03,709 to have someone to play with. 314 00:22:03,792 --> 00:22:06,918 ♪ ♪ 315 00:22:10,918 --> 00:22:12,959 (Trussoni speaks on video) 316 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:22,334 (sniffles) 317 00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:24,209 Uh-huh. Okay. 318 00:22:24,292 --> 00:22:27,459 My name is Bella, and I was nominated 319 00:22:27,542 --> 00:22:30,292 to do the Ice Bucket Challenge for ALS by... 320 00:22:30,375 --> 00:22:33,751 Morgan and Bella have known each other since kindergarten, 321 00:22:33,834 --> 00:22:37,459 and they've been best friends since fourth grade. 322 00:22:37,542 --> 00:22:40,000 Man: Are you guys ready? I guess. 323 00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,209 Man: Let's go. One, two, three. 324 00:22:41,292 --> 00:22:46,083 One, two, three. (woman moans) 325 00:22:46,167 --> 00:22:47,918 (screams) Oh my god! 326 00:22:50,292 --> 00:22:52,375 (Casey speaking) 327 00:22:53,751 --> 00:22:55,375 (Morgan speaks) 328 00:23:01,709 --> 00:23:02,751 Umm... 329 00:23:09,375 --> 00:23:10,667 (crying) 330 00:23:16,042 --> 00:23:17,042 Okay. 331 00:23:28,167 --> 00:23:29,626 ♪ ♪ 332 00:23:32,334 --> 00:23:34,125 (Anissa speaking on video) 333 00:23:44,125 --> 00:23:45,417 (Casey speaks) 334 00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:47,667 (Morgan speaks) 335 00:24:07,751 --> 00:24:10,125 (Trussoni speaks on video) 336 00:24:12,209 --> 00:24:13,250 Anissa: Umm... 337 00:24:23,751 --> 00:24:25,250 ♪ ♪ 338 00:24:33,792 --> 00:24:34,959 (clears throat) 339 00:25:32,876 --> 00:25:36,209 ♪ ♪ 340 00:25:39,667 --> 00:25:41,792 (Anissa speaking) 341 00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:20,334 (Morgan speaks matter-of-factly) 342 00:26:45,876 --> 00:26:46,959 (sniffles) 343 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,459 ♪ ♪ 344 00:27:05,584 --> 00:27:07,584 (Skype startup noise) 345 00:27:07,667 --> 00:27:10,083 (ringing) 346 00:27:13,792 --> 00:27:15,042 Irene: Hello, Dr. Zipes! 347 00:27:15,125 --> 00:27:18,626 I-- I don't have-- I-- uh, wait. 348 00:27:21,167 --> 00:27:23,000 (clicks) Hello? 349 00:27:23,083 --> 00:27:25,667 Actually, the quality seems fine on my end. 350 00:27:25,751 --> 00:27:29,751 And yeah, my Skype is just not having it today. 351 00:27:29,834 --> 00:27:31,792 You-- have we started now? 352 00:27:31,876 --> 00:27:35,375 Irene: Yes, yes. When-- when did we start? 353 00:27:35,459 --> 00:27:36,626 Man: Hello. Hello. 354 00:27:36,709 --> 00:27:38,334 Man: How are you? Good. 355 00:27:38,417 --> 00:27:39,709 Man: Who are you Skyping with? 356 00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:42,500 Someone-- I'm getting interviewed for a documentary. 357 00:27:42,584 --> 00:27:46,626 Okay, then-- what-- so let's start-- start with the question then. 358 00:27:46,709 --> 00:27:49,334 ♪ ♪ 359 00:28:00,876 --> 00:28:04,042 Trevor Blank: Slenderman is the modern-day boogeyman. 360 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,042 Because it's faceless, because it's quiet, 361 00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:10,876 because it doesn't speak words, 362 00:28:10,959 --> 00:28:12,876 it's open to a lot of interpretation 363 00:28:12,959 --> 00:28:15,876 and open to a lot of possibilities and to a lot of projection. 364 00:28:15,959 --> 00:28:18,167 It varies from person to person 365 00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:20,751 as to what Slenderman actually is. 366 00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:22,667 ♪ ♪ 367 00:28:22,751 --> 00:28:24,918 He's the creature that lives in my closet. 368 00:28:27,292 --> 00:28:30,626 He's the guy in the windowless white van. 369 00:28:31,918 --> 00:28:35,751 The faceless stranger who kidnaps kids. 370 00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:46,667 It encapsulates, symbolically, 371 00:28:46,751 --> 00:28:48,584 a lot of these other kind of societal fears 372 00:28:48,667 --> 00:28:50,500 that we've had for ages and ages 373 00:28:50,584 --> 00:28:52,250 and kind of conveniently wraps them up 374 00:28:52,334 --> 00:28:54,209 and makes it really malleable. 375 00:28:54,292 --> 00:28:58,667 Because, really, Slenderman can be whomever you want him to be. 376 00:29:06,459 --> 00:29:07,459 (mouse clicks) 377 00:29:07,542 --> 00:29:10,083 ♪ ♪ 378 00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:12,709 (keyboard clacking) 379 00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:39,584 (mouse clicks) 380 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:52,000 Blank: We can empirically look back 381 00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:54,834 and find out where Slenderman was created. 382 00:29:54,918 --> 00:29:57,751 It was created in 2009 by Eric Knudsen 383 00:29:57,834 --> 00:29:59,792 under the screen name "Victor Surge" 384 00:29:59,876 --> 00:30:01,834 as part of a Photoshop contest 385 00:30:01,918 --> 00:30:03,042 to try to create something 386 00:30:03,125 --> 00:30:05,209 that looked real that really wasn't. 387 00:30:07,292 --> 00:30:11,375 Brad Kim: Urban legends on the Internet has been a thing for decades. 388 00:30:11,459 --> 00:30:13,209 ♪ ♪ 389 00:30:13,292 --> 00:30:14,834 There was already a base audience 390 00:30:14,918 --> 00:30:18,375 that was ready for a globalized project 391 00:30:18,459 --> 00:30:21,083 to kind of build a myth. 392 00:30:23,459 --> 00:30:25,959 It actually began with the games 393 00:30:26,042 --> 00:30:27,959 that spun off from Slenderman. 394 00:30:28,042 --> 00:30:29,959 ♪ ♪ 395 00:30:30,042 --> 00:30:32,334 It's so heavily visually oriented 396 00:30:32,417 --> 00:30:36,375 that it's replicable without really having 397 00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:39,167 to understand too much cultural context. 398 00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:41,751 (footsteps) (crickets chirping) 399 00:30:41,834 --> 00:30:43,417 Kim: And from there, 400 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,083 it spread to every available platform 401 00:30:47,167 --> 00:30:48,792 and medium on the web. 402 00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:51,292 Tumblr... 403 00:30:52,292 --> 00:30:53,334 DeviantArt... 404 00:30:54,292 --> 00:30:56,042 YouTube... 405 00:30:56,125 --> 00:30:58,542 and also the 4chan's Paranormal Board. 406 00:30:59,459 --> 00:31:00,792 All of these websites have 407 00:31:00,876 --> 00:31:06,167 a really strong affinity with fan art in general. 408 00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:09,500 (mouse clicks) (man breathes heavily, speaks German) 409 00:31:12,542 --> 00:31:14,334 (speaks German) 410 00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:18,125 "Slender is coming"? 411 00:31:20,167 --> 00:31:21,250 (speaks German) 412 00:31:22,417 --> 00:31:25,292 Kim: YouTube was the international hub 413 00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:27,167 for non-English speakers 414 00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:29,667 to kind of break their way into the myth. 415 00:31:29,751 --> 00:31:31,292 (man speaks Spanish) 416 00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:32,876 (man 2 speaks Spanish) 417 00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:35,584 (man 2 breathing hard) 418 00:31:35,667 --> 00:31:36,834 (speaks Spanish) 419 00:31:39,959 --> 00:31:41,751 (Kike speaks) 420 00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,959 (grunts) (distortion) 421 00:31:47,417 --> 00:31:48,500 (retches) (mouse clicks) 422 00:31:48,584 --> 00:31:50,417 ♪ ♪ 423 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,250 Kim: Creepypasta is this generic term 424 00:31:53,334 --> 00:31:55,334 for horror stories that gets copied 425 00:31:55,417 --> 00:31:56,792 then pasted because it's good. 426 00:31:56,876 --> 00:32:00,042 As it spreads, people start tweaking 427 00:32:00,125 --> 00:32:03,292 some parts of the story or pick up where they left off. 428 00:32:05,334 --> 00:32:07,667 These are stories that branched out 429 00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:11,709 of the main canon of Slenderman. (mouse clicks) 430 00:32:11,792 --> 00:32:14,751 (piano music playing) 431 00:32:14,834 --> 00:32:17,292 Woman: "Oh, should I travel through the woods, 432 00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:21,959 "Or should I not wishing I would? 433 00:32:23,209 --> 00:32:26,250 "For above me lurks within the trees 434 00:32:27,375 --> 00:32:30,542 "No one could hear my deathly screams 435 00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:35,209 "The palest man, the blackest suit 436 00:32:35,292 --> 00:32:37,667 "Bigger than the tallest brute 437 00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:44,042 "Six black arms will grab you up 438 00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:46,667 "Or stalk you till you just give up 439 00:32:48,959 --> 00:32:52,083 "He'll leave your body not to eat 440 00:32:52,167 --> 00:32:56,083 But to staple your corpse upon a tree." 441 00:32:56,167 --> 00:32:58,167 (static) 442 00:32:58,250 --> 00:33:02,334 "Fear the man, the Slenderman 443 00:33:02,417 --> 00:33:04,834 For he can do what no one can." 444 00:33:04,918 --> 00:33:06,542 ♪ ♪ 445 00:33:09,751 --> 00:33:12,459 Blank: Slenderman kind of represents an opportunity 446 00:33:12,542 --> 00:33:16,167 to see where people are nervous 447 00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:18,292 about certain things and what excites them 448 00:33:18,375 --> 00:33:21,292 and what brings them together, because it changes. 449 00:33:21,375 --> 00:33:23,417 It changes based on who's telling the story. 450 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,709 ♪ ♪ 451 00:33:29,667 --> 00:33:31,167 Often in the adult world 452 00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:33,792 we forget how much it sucks to be a kid. 453 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,834 Slenderman can also be seen as a guardian angel. 454 00:33:41,042 --> 00:33:44,918 Slenderman is the Grim Reaper 455 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,792 but with a heart. 456 00:33:50,209 --> 00:33:52,500 These pictures are not so much him showing up 457 00:33:52,584 --> 00:33:55,834 on the playground to snatch kids away, but to rescue them. 458 00:34:02,125 --> 00:34:03,792 Stories like this can be 459 00:34:03,876 --> 00:34:06,209 a powerful aphrodisiac for-- 460 00:34:06,292 --> 00:34:09,667 for somebody who is lonely or is troubled, 461 00:34:09,751 --> 00:34:11,667 or is trying to find their way in the world. 462 00:34:11,751 --> 00:34:14,042 ♪ ♪ 463 00:34:17,542 --> 00:34:20,459 Slenderman has this entire community of people online 464 00:34:20,542 --> 00:34:22,459 who are feeding into the narrative 465 00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:23,834 and creating their own versions of it. 466 00:34:23,918 --> 00:34:26,918 It's constantly-- it's exponentially growing. 467 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,751 ♪ ♪ 468 00:34:34,792 --> 00:34:37,042 Richard Dawkins: That's the definition of a good meme. 469 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:41,250 In human culture, 470 00:34:41,334 --> 00:34:45,792 if it's copied from one brain to another, 471 00:34:45,876 --> 00:34:47,083 that's a meme. 472 00:34:47,167 --> 00:34:48,417 Hi, my name is Valerie, 473 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,959 and I've decided to do the Ice Bucket Challenge. 474 00:34:51,042 --> 00:34:53,667 I'm doing the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge. 475 00:34:53,751 --> 00:34:58,000 I'm here to join the people bringing attention to Lou Gehrig's disease. 476 00:35:02,959 --> 00:35:04,375 Dawkins: It can be an idea. 477 00:35:04,459 --> 00:35:07,959 It can be a tune. It can be a style of dancing. 478 00:35:08,042 --> 00:35:10,083 Woman: Tired? Cameraman: What do you think he's doing? 479 00:35:10,167 --> 00:35:12,083 Planking. Cameraman: Oh, you know? 480 00:35:12,167 --> 00:35:13,459 Woman: Yeah, I do. Cameraman: Yes! 481 00:35:13,542 --> 00:35:15,959 Woman: I am from the Internet. (men laugh) 482 00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:17,959 Dawkins: The Internet provides 483 00:35:18,042 --> 00:35:20,792 a very, very fast, efficient, universal, 484 00:35:20,876 --> 00:35:24,834 worldwide medium for memes to spread. 485 00:35:24,918 --> 00:35:26,125 That'll never catch on. 486 00:35:26,209 --> 00:35:28,125 (anchors laugh) No doubt. 487 00:35:29,626 --> 00:35:32,292 Dawkins: There may be some memes that spread 488 00:35:32,375 --> 00:35:36,876 like a very rapid epidemic and then die away. 489 00:35:37,792 --> 00:35:40,459 But others may have strong persistence. 490 00:35:40,542 --> 00:35:42,792 (humming) 491 00:35:46,167 --> 00:35:50,334 People are captivated by Slenderman 492 00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:56,375 and wish to pass on images or to modify images of him. 493 00:35:56,459 --> 00:35:57,542 (distortion, static) 494 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:02,834 This horrifying story of two girls who thought 495 00:36:02,918 --> 00:36:05,918 that it was their duty to Slenderman to go and kill someone. 496 00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,626 Well, that's what I call power. 497 00:36:11,918 --> 00:36:15,542 That's very substantial power, very horrific power. 498 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,125 (static) 499 00:36:27,167 --> 00:36:28,626 (clicking) 500 00:36:30,334 --> 00:36:33,167 Jack Zipes: Unconsciously, Slenderman stems 501 00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:36,417 from a tradition that-- that goes way, way back. 502 00:36:40,542 --> 00:36:45,876 To a great extent, the Brothers Grimm collected tales that deal 503 00:36:45,959 --> 00:36:51,000 with what I would call universal human struggles 504 00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:53,125 that we continue to have today. 505 00:36:53,209 --> 00:36:55,042 I think that's one of the reasons 506 00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:58,709 why people are responding to this tale, 507 00:36:58,792 --> 00:37:00,459 and they're telling their own versions, 508 00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:01,959 their own horror stories 509 00:37:02,042 --> 00:37:05,626 about what is happening in the world today. 510 00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:10,292 Slenderman is a tale about a character, 511 00:37:10,375 --> 00:37:14,292 a strange weird character, who may feed upon children. 512 00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:17,584 It made me think of a legend 513 00:37:17,667 --> 00:37:20,042 that Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm collected 514 00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:23,417 called "The Pied Piper of Hamelin." 515 00:37:25,876 --> 00:37:31,083 Many years ago a town was being devastated by rats-- 516 00:37:31,167 --> 00:37:33,459 in the gutters... on the streets... 517 00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:35,751 in the cellars. 518 00:37:38,584 --> 00:37:40,459 The Pied Piper comes out of nowhere. 519 00:37:40,542 --> 00:37:45,167 And he's a very odd, strange-looking person, 520 00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:48,334 but he has a flute 521 00:37:48,417 --> 00:37:51,792 or some type of pipe that he plays. 522 00:37:53,792 --> 00:37:58,792 The man said, "If you want me to get rid of the rats, you must pay me." 523 00:37:58,876 --> 00:38:01,959 So they said, "Yes, as much as you want 524 00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:03,918 if you can get rid of the rats." 525 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,083 The Piper began blowing on the pipe. 526 00:38:08,167 --> 00:38:10,584 The rats began following. 527 00:38:10,667 --> 00:38:12,459 ♪ ♪ 528 00:38:16,626 --> 00:38:22,042 The Piper had all the rats jump into the river. 529 00:38:26,375 --> 00:38:29,667 But the mayor and the councilmen cheat him. 530 00:38:29,751 --> 00:38:31,709 And the Piper said, "You know, 531 00:38:31,792 --> 00:38:33,959 "there are other tunes I can pipe 532 00:38:34,042 --> 00:38:35,959 "and ways that I can repay you 533 00:38:36,042 --> 00:38:38,292 in a way that you will never forget." 534 00:38:38,375 --> 00:38:40,667 ♪ ♪ 535 00:38:43,083 --> 00:38:45,834 So the Piper took his pipe to his lips again 536 00:38:45,918 --> 00:38:48,167 and he began piping. (children playing) 537 00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:53,417 The people froze, but the children followed him. 538 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,334 There was an opening, 539 00:38:59,417 --> 00:39:02,417 a sudden opening in the mountain. 540 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,709 And all the children headed toward this opening. 541 00:39:06,792 --> 00:39:09,918 And as the last one entered, 542 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,417 the mountain closed, 543 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,918 and the Piper went inside as well. 544 00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:20,334 (booms) 545 00:39:21,834 --> 00:39:27,209 Depending on the times and the person who is telling their version 546 00:39:27,292 --> 00:39:29,000 of "The Pied Piper," 547 00:39:29,083 --> 00:39:31,209 he can be many different things. 548 00:39:31,292 --> 00:39:32,542 (squeaking) (stomps) 549 00:39:32,626 --> 00:39:34,876 (polka music plays) 550 00:39:34,959 --> 00:39:38,417 (lively music plays) 551 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,751 (hypnotic music plays) 552 00:39:42,834 --> 00:39:45,375 So he is a very mysterious figure. 553 00:39:45,459 --> 00:39:48,667 We don't know whether he's evil or good. 554 00:39:48,751 --> 00:39:52,250 We don't know whether he's going to do anything to these children. 555 00:39:52,334 --> 00:39:54,125 The children never return. 556 00:39:54,209 --> 00:39:56,000 Nobody ever hears about them. 557 00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:59,626 (ominous music playing) 558 00:40:04,959 --> 00:40:07,000 But the Pied Piper does live on. 559 00:40:36,584 --> 00:40:37,959 ♪ ♪ 560 00:40:46,083 --> 00:40:47,125 (Casey speaks) 561 00:40:51,709 --> 00:40:53,334 (Morgan speaks) 562 00:40:56,042 --> 00:40:57,334 Umm... 563 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,375 (car driving) 564 00:41:04,459 --> 00:41:06,167 (Angie sighs) 565 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:09,542 It's almost like she was living a whole nother life inside her head 566 00:41:09,626 --> 00:41:13,334 that we just-- that we just didn't know about. 567 00:41:20,334 --> 00:41:23,209 It's hard with kids because... 568 00:41:23,292 --> 00:41:26,584 they don't necessarily know how to differentiate 569 00:41:26,667 --> 00:41:30,167 between fantasy and reality to begin with. 570 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,417 So, it's just hard to know... 571 00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,500 where-- where to draw the line. 572 00:41:35,584 --> 00:41:37,375 Where does that become... 573 00:41:38,959 --> 00:41:40,042 abnormal? 574 00:41:42,709 --> 00:41:43,918 So even though, you know, 575 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,584 looking back, maybe there were some signs. 576 00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:50,292 It's everything in retrospect. 577 00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:04,542 It's been two months to the day on the calendar 578 00:42:04,626 --> 00:42:09,751 that she's been in Washington County Juvenile Detention Center. 579 00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:12,083 The first day was rough. 580 00:42:12,167 --> 00:42:13,459 You know, you get in there... 581 00:42:15,042 --> 00:42:18,876 you have to learn all your check-in procedures and everything. 582 00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:24,125 You know, you get back there, and you don't know what to expect. 583 00:42:24,209 --> 00:42:27,626 There's you, there's a pane of glass with metal bars behind it, 584 00:42:27,709 --> 00:42:30,584 and then... there's our daughter. 585 00:42:30,667 --> 00:42:32,167 That's how it works. 586 00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,417 (Trussoni speaks) 587 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,042 (Anissa speaks) 588 00:43:01,167 --> 00:43:02,292 (mouse clicks) 589 00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:06,125 (mouse wheel clicking) 590 00:43:20,709 --> 00:43:22,209 (clicks) (clatters) 591 00:43:24,918 --> 00:43:26,000 (keyboard clacks) 592 00:43:31,334 --> 00:43:32,792 (mouse clicks) 593 00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:36,459 ♪ ♪ This is the first time we are trying this. 594 00:43:36,542 --> 00:43:38,959 We got him something. He doesn't know yet. 595 00:43:39,042 --> 00:43:41,125 It's a little mouse. You can see him in there. 596 00:43:41,209 --> 00:43:44,751 You ready? It's the circle of life, okay? 597 00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:46,667 Right, Cole? Yep. 598 00:43:46,751 --> 00:43:49,042 It's just like "The Lion King." (laughs) Yeah. 599 00:43:49,125 --> 00:43:50,209 Woman: Let's see how he reacts. 600 00:43:50,292 --> 00:43:53,042 It's the same color as the-- as the bathtub. 601 00:43:53,125 --> 00:43:56,709 Look, baby. Look, baby, look. 602 00:43:56,792 --> 00:43:58,417 See if he notices it. 603 00:44:01,834 --> 00:44:02,751 (mouse clicks) 604 00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:05,500 (heavy metal music playing) 605 00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:26,959 (music stops) Man: My voice is going to take you 606 00:44:27,042 --> 00:44:29,918 to a very calm and peaceful place. 607 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:34,334 ♪ ♪ (distortion, static) 608 00:44:34,417 --> 00:44:35,709 Man: So this part, 609 00:44:35,792 --> 00:44:39,083 striking into any soft tissue in the body-- 610 00:44:39,167 --> 00:44:41,209 the eyes, the cheeks, 611 00:44:41,292 --> 00:44:42,667 cut right through the blood 612 00:44:42,751 --> 00:44:44,000 and air vessels into the throat, 613 00:44:44,083 --> 00:44:45,709 get it in and out, in and out, in and out. 614 00:44:45,792 --> 00:44:47,834 Kids: Meow, meow, meow! 615 00:44:47,918 --> 00:44:49,250 Man: So with the first one, why do you think 616 00:44:49,334 --> 00:44:51,834 the pig passed out when the kitten was put on it? 617 00:44:52,876 --> 00:44:55,000 (mouse clicking) Woman: He's playing with it. 618 00:44:55,083 --> 00:45:00,000 ♪ Dog goes woof, cat goes meow, bird goes-- ♪ 619 00:45:00,083 --> 00:45:02,876 Ah! Why do you stick a baby 620 00:45:02,959 --> 00:45:06,250 in the blender feet first? 621 00:45:06,334 --> 00:45:09,334 (demonic voice) So you can see the expression on it's face. 622 00:45:09,417 --> 00:45:11,751 (maniacal laughter) 623 00:45:14,083 --> 00:45:16,083 (mouse clicks) (helicopter whirring) 624 00:45:17,209 --> 00:45:18,292 (keyboard clacks) 625 00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:34,083 (mouse clicks) (music plays) 626 00:45:34,167 --> 00:45:36,334 Shh. (pounds) 627 00:45:37,584 --> 00:45:38,918 (slurping) 628 00:45:45,375 --> 00:45:47,626 I don't know if I should say, "I hope you enjoyed it," 629 00:45:47,709 --> 00:45:49,626 but there's the circle of life for you. 630 00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,542 Talk to you later. Thanks for watching. 631 00:45:52,626 --> 00:45:54,083 ♪ ♪ 632 00:45:54,167 --> 00:45:55,209 (mouse clicks) 633 00:45:58,417 --> 00:46:01,292 ♪ ♪ 634 00:46:06,542 --> 00:46:08,667 (water dripping) 635 00:46:17,167 --> 00:46:19,083 Kristi: Ever since she got that iPad, 636 00:46:19,167 --> 00:46:23,125 she liked to spend a lot of private time up in her room and... 637 00:46:23,209 --> 00:46:26,209 she watched a lot of things that were... 638 00:46:28,584 --> 00:46:30,042 funny to her. 639 00:46:30,125 --> 00:46:32,542 Nothing that was gross, 640 00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:37,042 or depressing, and emotionally degrading... 641 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,751 She liked-- that iPad just gave her a way 642 00:46:44,209 --> 00:46:47,500 kind of not to-- to socialize with the family. 643 00:46:48,459 --> 00:46:50,292 And I totally... 644 00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:53,834 regret the iPad. 645 00:46:55,167 --> 00:46:59,167 Anissa showed me a picture once. 646 00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:00,667 She was in her bedroom, 647 00:47:00,751 --> 00:47:03,709 and I went up to see what she was doing, and I looked. 648 00:47:03,792 --> 00:47:06,751 It was a picture of this Slenderman character 649 00:47:06,834 --> 00:47:08,334 and Jack Skellington. 650 00:47:08,417 --> 00:47:10,459 ♪ ♪ 651 00:47:10,542 --> 00:47:16,459 At the time, it doesn't seem to be anything inherently dangerous. 652 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:20,459 I had no inklings that I would need to research this further. 653 00:47:21,709 --> 00:47:22,918 The iPads will be moving 654 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,209 into elementary school levels this year. 655 00:47:25,292 --> 00:47:29,792 So, at least, our fifth-grade son is going to be coming home with one. 656 00:47:31,334 --> 00:47:32,459 His own. 657 00:47:36,751 --> 00:47:41,959 Tom Haynes: So this is the yearbook from Anissa's fifth grade year. 658 00:47:43,918 --> 00:47:45,876 (chuckles) And this is what Anissa wrote. 659 00:47:45,959 --> 00:47:48,709 it says, "You're like a second dad to me." 660 00:47:49,751 --> 00:47:51,584 So that was really sweet. 661 00:47:51,667 --> 00:47:53,876 It's kind of tough looking back on it, 662 00:47:53,959 --> 00:47:57,375 'cause if she felt that strong, you know, just... 663 00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:01,417 maybe I could have done something else. 664 00:48:06,751 --> 00:48:11,417 Anissa was definitely one of the biggest outliers I've had 665 00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,834 just because she had no solid connections 666 00:48:15,918 --> 00:48:19,000 with other 4th and 5th-graders. 667 00:48:19,083 --> 00:48:23,459 Anissa would definitely cry once every couple weeks, I would want to say. 668 00:48:23,542 --> 00:48:27,751 Mostly about... kids being mean to her at school. 669 00:48:27,834 --> 00:48:31,918 She wouldn't be able to contain herself in front of the whole class, 670 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,959 and sometimes she would just cry. 671 00:48:34,042 --> 00:48:35,959 So other kids were aware of her... 672 00:48:37,292 --> 00:48:39,876 emotions, and being upset. 673 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,834 And there's times she would come in from lunch/recess 674 00:48:42,918 --> 00:48:46,375 and cry about not having friends. 675 00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:52,500 I've guessed that Anissa made a connection with Morgan 676 00:48:52,584 --> 00:48:55,209 and was happy that they both were into Slenderman, 677 00:48:55,292 --> 00:48:57,125 was happy that she made a new friend, 678 00:48:57,209 --> 00:48:59,083 shared a connection, shared interest, 679 00:48:59,167 --> 00:49:03,083 and it may have spiraled out of control from there. 680 00:49:03,167 --> 00:49:05,667 (classical score playing) 681 00:49:07,375 --> 00:49:10,876 (no discernible dialog) 682 00:49:28,125 --> 00:49:29,918 (mouse clicks) (keyboard clacks) 683 00:49:31,626 --> 00:49:33,876 ♪ ♪ 684 00:49:35,876 --> 00:49:38,209 Abigail Baird: You couldn't set up a better system to fail 685 00:49:38,292 --> 00:49:40,417 In terms of "No one at school likes you, 686 00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:42,542 "but here's this open-ended monster 687 00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:44,167 who will embrace you." 688 00:49:45,375 --> 00:49:47,375 The worst time to be socially isolated 689 00:49:47,459 --> 00:49:51,959 is the time when your brain and body are begging for camaraderie, 690 00:49:52,042 --> 00:49:54,834 for kinship, which is adolescence. 691 00:49:54,918 --> 00:49:56,876 It's the hardest time to be alone. 692 00:49:58,083 --> 00:50:00,250 I think in the absence of social contact, 693 00:50:00,334 --> 00:50:02,918 the Internet can sometimes serve 694 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,083 as a peer in a way, or a peer group. 695 00:50:07,626 --> 00:50:10,667 Those two girls in a tight-knit group of eight friends, 696 00:50:10,751 --> 00:50:12,250 I don't think this would've happened, 697 00:50:12,334 --> 00:50:14,375 because they wouldn't have only been talking to each other 698 00:50:14,459 --> 00:50:16,125 and they wouldn't have been relying so heavily 699 00:50:16,209 --> 00:50:18,083 on information from the Internet. 700 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,125 (engine starts) 701 00:50:36,792 --> 00:50:40,584 Kristi: Bill and I separated in the summer of 2012. 702 00:50:43,334 --> 00:50:46,626 It was my decision. I asked for a divorce. 703 00:50:46,709 --> 00:50:48,792 But when a situation got really bad, 704 00:50:48,876 --> 00:50:52,083 he was willing to still be there and stuff. 705 00:51:06,626 --> 00:51:09,375 (turn signal clicking) 706 00:51:10,792 --> 00:51:12,584 She's not allowed to see her brother or sister. 707 00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:16,959 She's not allowed to see any aunts or uncles, or cousins or anything, 708 00:51:17,042 --> 00:51:20,167 so I wanted to have as many people 709 00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:22,834 as she could have as often as possible. 710 00:51:28,083 --> 00:51:32,709 I try to bring her mentally out of the environment 711 00:51:32,792 --> 00:51:37,000 and try to bring her some sunshine in her day. 712 00:51:37,083 --> 00:51:40,083 But then when I leave, I kind of feel... 713 00:51:42,959 --> 00:51:47,250 I feel happy that I was able to see her 714 00:51:47,334 --> 00:51:52,125 and... make her smile for a few minutes in a day. 715 00:51:52,209 --> 00:51:54,417 But on the other hand, I'm still kind of sad 716 00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:58,334 that I'm leaving without my daughter, and... 717 00:51:59,792 --> 00:52:04,792 The drive home is sometimes heart-breaking... 718 00:52:04,876 --> 00:52:08,876 but... I know that I'll be coming up 719 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,709 and seeing her in a couple days anyways, 720 00:52:10,792 --> 00:52:13,083 and I'll just repeat the performance and-- 721 00:52:13,167 --> 00:52:19,375 (sniffles) and hopefully, someday, this might be my last trip 722 00:52:19,459 --> 00:52:21,834 and-- and... 723 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,417 And then she'll be home for good. 724 00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:28,334 But that might be a while off. 725 00:52:33,751 --> 00:52:35,876 (musical ringtone plays) 726 00:52:35,959 --> 00:52:38,918 Computer: You have a prepaid call from... Anissa: Anissa... 727 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,292 Computer: An inmate at... Man: Washington County Jail. 728 00:52:42,375 --> 00:52:43,792 Computer: This call will be recorded 729 00:52:43,876 --> 00:52:46,250 and subject to monitoring at any time. 730 00:52:46,334 --> 00:52:48,375 You may begin speaking now. 731 00:52:48,459 --> 00:52:49,584 (Anissa speaks) 732 00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:52,292 Hello, Anissa. So, how was your day? 733 00:52:57,834 --> 00:52:58,918 Yeah? 734 00:53:00,209 --> 00:53:01,542 Define "pretty good." 735 00:53:14,292 --> 00:53:15,792 Do you know who's sitting here? 736 00:53:17,375 --> 00:53:19,751 Yep, Tyler's sitting here. Tyler: Hi! 737 00:53:21,083 --> 00:53:22,500 (Bill laughs) How are you? 738 00:53:25,584 --> 00:53:27,125 I've been... 739 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:30,292 pretty good despite the cold. 740 00:53:31,292 --> 00:53:32,667 Hi, Ani! 741 00:53:34,626 --> 00:53:35,667 (laughs) 742 00:53:36,667 --> 00:53:37,709 What's up? 743 00:53:45,542 --> 00:53:47,626 Anissa! Anissa. 744 00:53:49,292 --> 00:53:50,918 We can all tell you're a little spun up. 745 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,167 Are you excited to be talking to everybody? 746 00:53:54,584 --> 00:53:55,667 Yeah? 747 00:54:10,834 --> 00:54:13,334 Hey, hey hey! Anissa! (laughter) 748 00:54:15,876 --> 00:54:17,500 Dial it back a notch. 749 00:54:17,584 --> 00:54:21,834 So, besides what you've already like mentioned, 750 00:54:21,918 --> 00:54:23,375 what's up with you? 751 00:54:36,959 --> 00:54:38,000 Okay. 752 00:54:39,292 --> 00:54:41,250 Anissa: Yeah. Just don't smile too much. 753 00:54:41,334 --> 00:54:42,459 Computer: One minute remaining. 754 00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,125 All right, we've got one minute, 755 00:54:44,209 --> 00:54:45,876 so you have a good night. 756 00:54:48,292 --> 00:54:50,167 Love you too. 757 00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:53,959 All right? And I will see you tomorrow. 758 00:54:54,042 --> 00:54:57,709 So-- all right. Computer: Thank you for using IC solutions. 759 00:54:57,792 --> 00:54:58,876 Goodbye. And there you have it. 760 00:55:00,083 --> 00:55:01,834 ♪ ♪ 761 00:55:36,292 --> 00:55:38,250 (Tiger meows) 762 00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:52,375 ♪ ♪ 763 00:55:56,042 --> 00:55:58,584 (murmuring) 764 00:56:06,459 --> 00:56:08,792 (chains clinking) 765 00:56:10,375 --> 00:56:13,042 (cameras clicking) 766 00:56:28,626 --> 00:56:30,626 Maggie: I don't know where 767 00:56:30,709 --> 00:56:33,959 the whole Slenderman thing... 768 00:56:34,042 --> 00:56:37,500 started because Anissa never talked about anything like that. 769 00:56:37,584 --> 00:56:41,125 Nobody ever talked about Slenderman. 770 00:56:41,209 --> 00:56:44,959 Unless she was, like, constantly Internet surfing, 771 00:56:45,042 --> 00:56:48,876 she never really showed me anything that was bad... 772 00:56:50,209 --> 00:56:52,959 or anything scary. 773 00:56:53,042 --> 00:56:56,417 She-- she is easily frightened, though. 774 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,334 (woman coughs) (camera clicking) 775 00:56:59,417 --> 00:57:04,167 Maybe she did it because she wanted to be noticed. 776 00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:07,500 Because, honestly, at her school 777 00:57:07,584 --> 00:57:10,667 I didn't know that she didn't have many friends. 778 00:57:10,751 --> 00:57:14,667 She told me that she had lots of friends, lots of guys liked her, 779 00:57:14,751 --> 00:57:17,292 and a bunch of-- and she was accepted, 780 00:57:17,375 --> 00:57:19,751 and she was having a great time at school. 781 00:57:19,834 --> 00:57:23,834 But... she was constantly picked on, 782 00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:28,834 and she never really fit in. She was a follower. 783 00:57:30,876 --> 00:57:32,542 Bailiff: All rise. 784 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,792 Bohren: Okay, thank you. Please be seated. 785 00:57:38,083 --> 00:57:41,375 Maggie: I think some kids are just... 786 00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:44,209 big believers. 787 00:57:44,292 --> 00:57:47,792 They can't help but believe everything they hear. 788 00:57:51,292 --> 00:57:53,918 (rustles) 789 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,876 Officer: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 790 00:57:55,959 --> 00:57:57,417 and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 791 00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,542 Yes, I do. Attorney: In this case 792 00:57:59,626 --> 00:58:03,500 were you assigned to interview the victim, Payton Leutner? 793 00:58:03,584 --> 00:58:04,751 Yes, I was. 794 00:58:04,834 --> 00:58:08,167 Attorney: At some point, your discussion got into the area 795 00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:11,167 of a birthday party that was planned for Morgan? 796 00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:13,334 Payton said that the birthday party 797 00:58:13,417 --> 00:58:15,626 had been planned for several weeks, 798 00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:18,000 and it was for May 30th, 799 00:58:18,083 --> 00:58:21,375 and that they had planned to go do Skateland 800 00:58:21,459 --> 00:58:23,500 and sleep over at Morgan's house. 801 00:58:25,375 --> 00:58:26,792 Angie: They were being normal little girls. 802 00:58:26,876 --> 00:58:28,375 They were running up and down the stairs, 803 00:58:28,459 --> 00:58:30,584 holding hands and giggling. 804 00:58:33,459 --> 00:58:34,500 There was no... 805 00:58:35,334 --> 00:58:38,834 indication that anything was-- was off 806 00:58:38,918 --> 00:58:40,876 or that we had anything to-- 807 00:58:43,417 --> 00:58:45,250 to be worried about. 808 00:58:45,334 --> 00:58:48,334 After Skateland, they came back to Morgan's house 809 00:58:48,417 --> 00:58:51,042 and they went into the basement. 810 00:59:26,375 --> 00:59:28,542 (speaks matter-of-factly) 811 00:59:38,334 --> 00:59:39,792 And we-- we woke up in the morning, 812 00:59:39,876 --> 00:59:44,417 and we had donuts and strawberries for breakfast, 813 00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:46,334 and everything was very normal. 814 00:59:46,417 --> 00:59:48,500 The girls were laughing and... 815 00:59:49,417 --> 00:59:50,918 having a good time. 816 00:59:52,918 --> 00:59:55,751 And they asked if they could go to the park, 817 00:59:55,834 --> 00:59:57,667 and I didn't think anything of it. 818 00:59:57,751 --> 00:59:59,709 I said, "Yeah, of course you can go to the park." 819 00:59:59,792 --> 01:00:02,334 And, you know, Morgan said goodbye 820 01:00:02,417 --> 01:00:03,959 and told me she loved me. 821 01:00:04,042 --> 01:00:07,000 ♪ ♪ (breathes shakily) 822 01:00:16,542 --> 01:00:18,584 (Trussoni speaks) 823 01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:20,083 (Anissa speaks) 824 01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:31,209 (Trussoni speaks) 825 01:00:31,292 --> 01:00:32,834 (Anissa speaks) 826 01:00:48,167 --> 01:00:51,834 After playing on the playground equipment for a while, 827 01:00:51,918 --> 01:00:55,834 they went into the bathroom, all three of them. 828 01:00:55,918 --> 01:00:57,459 (Casey speaks on video) 829 01:00:58,417 --> 01:01:00,709 (Morgan speaks) 830 01:01:02,250 --> 01:01:03,375 (Casey speaks) 831 01:01:12,417 --> 01:01:15,292 (Anissa speaking on video) 832 01:01:21,667 --> 01:01:23,751 ♪ ♪ 833 01:01:47,959 --> 01:01:49,250 She didn't want to go to sleep, 834 01:01:49,334 --> 01:01:51,876 so she didn't sit there with her eyes closed, 835 01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:56,542 and at some point, Anissa hit the front of her head 836 01:01:56,626 --> 01:01:59,459 and caused the back of her head to... 837 01:02:00,375 --> 01:02:01,709 slam against the wall. 838 01:02:13,209 --> 01:02:14,209 Basically. 839 01:02:25,042 --> 01:02:26,083 (Anissa speaks) 840 01:02:32,042 --> 01:02:36,667 And Morgan said, "I thought we agreed that you were going to do this." 841 01:02:37,626 --> 01:02:39,334 Attorney: Did Payton tell you anything 842 01:02:39,417 --> 01:02:41,709 about what Payton was thinking about that? 843 01:02:41,792 --> 01:02:44,876 I don't think she understood what was going on. 844 01:02:45,751 --> 01:02:47,876 (Anissa speaking on video) 845 01:03:05,542 --> 01:03:07,042 (Trussoni speaking on video) 846 01:03:11,375 --> 01:03:14,125 (pulling tape) 847 01:03:15,834 --> 01:03:18,042 (gasps) Thank you! 848 01:03:19,584 --> 01:03:23,000 Boy: Hey, that's what I wanted. Ooh. 849 01:03:23,083 --> 01:03:26,042 (boy gasps) Angie: It's a super-fancy touch screen one. 850 01:03:26,125 --> 01:03:29,918 I want that one. It's already charged... 851 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,042 and there's already some books on it for you. 852 01:03:33,250 --> 01:03:34,542 Wow. (boy mumbles) 853 01:03:37,083 --> 01:03:38,417 Can we put it together? 854 01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:41,792 Mm-hmm. What do you think? Pretty cool? Yeah? 855 01:03:41,876 --> 01:03:44,417 Angie: I had the conversation with Morgan-- 856 01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:47,834 the birds and the bees conversation. 857 01:03:47,918 --> 01:03:51,000 I explained about the changes that you go through during puberty, 858 01:03:51,083 --> 01:03:53,918 and I explained about getting your period. 859 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,709 And I finish, and she looks at me, and she goes, 860 01:03:58,792 --> 01:04:01,083 "Mommy, I don't think I believe you." 861 01:04:01,167 --> 01:04:04,292 (laughs) "That doesn't really happen." 862 01:04:04,375 --> 01:04:06,959 (camera clicks, beeps) 863 01:04:07,042 --> 01:04:09,167 (Angie mutters) Morgan: Thank you! 864 01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:10,626 (Angie chuckles) You're welcome! 865 01:04:10,709 --> 01:04:11,918 (camera clicks, beeps) 866 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,792 Angie: Morgan did believe in Santa, 867 01:04:13,876 --> 01:04:16,250 the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny, 868 01:04:16,334 --> 01:04:21,209 and actually believed in Santa until she was 11. 869 01:04:26,542 --> 01:04:28,459 (chuckles) And I guess I just thought, 870 01:04:28,542 --> 01:04:31,542 "What parent tells their child that Santa's not real? 871 01:04:31,626 --> 01:04:35,542 Who's-- who's in a hurry for their child to grow up?" 872 01:04:35,626 --> 01:04:37,834 ♪ ♪ 873 01:04:48,250 --> 01:04:50,125 Tyler: There are a lot of strange things 874 01:04:50,209 --> 01:04:53,125 in the world that we just can't explain. 875 01:04:55,334 --> 01:04:58,918 So we just make up things to try to help explain them. 876 01:05:00,375 --> 01:05:01,792 To believe in something-- 877 01:05:01,876 --> 01:05:03,751 I don't know, the Loch Ness Monster 878 01:05:03,834 --> 01:05:07,417 or the boogeyman-- isn't... that hard 879 01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,000 to believe that people actually do believe it. 880 01:05:10,083 --> 01:05:12,334 ♪ ♪ 881 01:05:12,417 --> 01:05:18,000 You can't say for sure that it is real or not. 882 01:05:21,709 --> 01:05:26,417 And I do believe that they did believe 883 01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,626 that it was real. 884 01:05:28,709 --> 01:05:31,250 ♪ ♪ 885 01:05:38,709 --> 01:05:40,918 Jacqueline Woolley: What is it about certain kinds of storybooks 886 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,834 that make kids more or less likely to believe that they're real? 887 01:05:45,709 --> 01:05:48,083 What is it about aspects of the Internet that affects 888 01:05:48,167 --> 01:05:50,709 whether kids think things on it are real or not real? 889 01:05:52,751 --> 01:05:56,334 I think the concept of what's real has always been pretty messy. 890 01:05:58,542 --> 01:06:02,042 Technology is creating these new situations 891 01:06:02,125 --> 01:06:04,500 in which it's becoming even messier. 892 01:06:04,584 --> 01:06:08,500 ♪ ♪ 893 01:06:08,584 --> 01:06:11,417 These two girls, maybe they were both strong believers, 894 01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:13,500 but then the fact that they were both together 895 01:06:13,584 --> 01:06:16,876 was creating an even stronger context for belief. 896 01:06:21,709 --> 01:06:26,417 That's kind of how Santa Claus works or is perceived to work. 897 01:06:27,417 --> 01:06:29,167 Sort of like "The Believers' Club." 898 01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:33,167 There's this big fear that if I stop believing I won't get the presents. 899 01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:36,083 (static) 900 01:06:36,167 --> 01:06:38,834 What is the benefit of being a believer? 901 01:06:40,792 --> 01:06:43,959 Feeling like you're special, you're a part of something, 902 01:06:44,042 --> 01:06:47,918 that you can become a part of just by believing. 903 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,751 That's a lot easier than a lot of other clubs, 904 01:06:50,834 --> 01:06:52,542 you know, especially at that age. 905 01:06:52,626 --> 01:06:56,334 But all you need to do for the Slenderman club is just believe. 906 01:06:56,417 --> 01:06:59,584 ♪ ♪ 907 01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:28,876 Blank: If there's one thing the cult of Slenderman is about, 908 01:07:28,959 --> 01:07:33,292 it's about making it all believable, 909 01:07:33,375 --> 01:07:36,334 especially by remaining unverifiable. 910 01:07:36,417 --> 01:07:40,459 And that's really kind of how folk belief works. 911 01:07:40,542 --> 01:07:43,167 Because you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt 912 01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:45,876 that Slenderman is fake or real. (mouse clicking) 913 01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:18,334 Boy: Hey, guys, it's Shane. 914 01:08:18,417 --> 01:08:22,417 So, ever since I found out about Slenderman, 915 01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:26,918 he's been haunting my dreams, like every single dream. 916 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,918 And I'm really scared, 917 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,125 so I'm going to show you a picture-- 918 01:08:31,209 --> 01:08:35,584 I'm-- I'm just going to show you some pictures that I got of him. 919 01:08:35,667 --> 01:08:36,792 There it is. Look at this. 920 01:08:36,876 --> 01:08:38,334 Look right there in the background. 921 01:08:38,417 --> 01:08:39,834 Right there. Boy: See, it's Slenderman. 922 01:08:39,918 --> 01:08:41,959 Shane: That's my-- that's my sister when she was young. 923 01:08:42,042 --> 01:08:44,542 And then we found that in the background. 924 01:08:45,751 --> 01:08:48,709 Oh, it's really scary. Um, Bye. 925 01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:51,918 (mouse clicks) (birds chirping) 926 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,250 Cartwheel. 927 01:08:54,542 --> 01:08:55,876 (boy clears throat) Round off. 928 01:08:57,626 --> 01:09:00,459 Boy: Oh my god, my stomach is killing me. Back walkover. 929 01:09:01,918 --> 01:09:03,709 Crappy back walkover. 930 01:09:04,667 --> 01:09:06,876 Boy 2: Mine-- ugh. Mine, too. 931 01:09:06,959 --> 01:09:08,167 Back walkover. 932 01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:11,083 (boy burps) Oh my god. 933 01:09:11,167 --> 01:09:15,125 Round off. Boy: Sam, we need to do-- Sam, we need to do this later. 934 01:09:15,209 --> 01:09:16,500 Can you go a little bit longer? 935 01:09:16,584 --> 01:09:18,876 Boy: No, we'll just stop this one and then we'll... 936 01:09:18,959 --> 01:09:21,250 and then we'll just do another one later, 937 01:09:21,334 --> 01:09:24,334 'cause my st-- oh my god, I feel like I'm about to throw up right now. 938 01:09:24,417 --> 01:09:26,417 All right, just hurry up and do one more. 939 01:09:29,709 --> 01:09:32,834 Boy: What the fuck? Oh my God! Run! Run! 940 01:09:32,918 --> 01:09:35,292 Run! Run! Oh my god, run! No, run! 941 01:09:36,292 --> 01:09:37,459 (shouting) 942 01:09:37,542 --> 01:09:40,292 Hope: The moment you know about him, he knows about you. 943 01:09:40,375 --> 01:09:42,918 (girl whimpers) Boy: Oh my god, I'm so scared right now. 944 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,667 Hope: Like there's no way to summon him, 945 01:09:45,751 --> 01:09:49,459 but there's no way to get him to, like, stop following you around. 946 01:09:50,375 --> 01:09:51,459 (mouse clicks) 947 01:09:52,876 --> 01:09:55,292 I remember when I was like 13, 948 01:09:55,375 --> 01:09:57,709 one of my birthday parties, we had this big plan 949 01:09:57,792 --> 01:10:00,751 me and three of my friends were all going to get together, 950 01:10:00,834 --> 01:10:02,000 we were going to bring our cameras 951 01:10:02,083 --> 01:10:03,292 and sneak out into the woods 952 01:10:03,375 --> 01:10:05,125 and try to find him with our cameras. 953 01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:07,375 And I was out there for like two hours. 954 01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:10,209 If I encountered him... 955 01:10:11,292 --> 01:10:13,751 I would explain myself and be like, 956 01:10:13,834 --> 01:10:15,042 "I don't think you're that bad. 957 01:10:15,125 --> 01:10:17,125 "Personally, I think you're kind of cool. 958 01:10:17,209 --> 01:10:19,083 I wouldn't mind doing what you're doing." 959 01:10:19,167 --> 01:10:21,000 ♪ ♪ 960 01:10:22,959 --> 01:10:25,417 Since I had no social life back then, 961 01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:28,125 basically my whole life was on the Internet. 962 01:10:28,209 --> 01:10:31,834 And since it was there, like, 24/7... 963 01:10:33,375 --> 01:10:37,125 I would just gradually get more and more attached to it. 964 01:10:37,209 --> 01:10:40,542 And the thing that kept coming up would be Slenderman. 965 01:10:44,834 --> 01:10:48,751 Back then I believed, like every fiber in my body, he was real. 966 01:10:48,834 --> 01:10:50,292 ♪ ♪ 967 01:10:50,375 --> 01:10:52,751 (footsteps) 968 01:10:55,459 --> 01:10:56,375 (mouse clicks) 969 01:10:56,459 --> 01:10:59,250 All right, and the game has started. 970 01:11:04,375 --> 01:11:06,375 (crickets chirping) 971 01:11:09,584 --> 01:11:13,500 (ominous music playing) 972 01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:21,125 Dawkins: If everybody knows that is Slenderman, 973 01:11:21,209 --> 01:11:25,375 then I think that's sufficient to define it as a replicator. 974 01:11:27,292 --> 01:11:29,209 (paper rustles) 975 01:11:29,292 --> 01:11:32,751 Genetic viruses spread from body to body. 976 01:11:32,834 --> 01:11:36,500 And so... a meme that has great spreadability... 977 01:11:36,584 --> 01:11:39,459 deserves to be called a virus of the mind. 978 01:11:39,542 --> 01:11:41,209 Girl: Ooh! A note. Girl 2: No! 979 01:11:41,292 --> 01:11:43,042 No, I don't wanna get it. No, you have to get it. 980 01:11:43,125 --> 01:11:45,500 You have to get it. You have to. You get it. Then he's gonna come. 981 01:11:45,584 --> 01:11:46,792 Get it. Okay. 982 01:11:46,876 --> 01:11:49,375 Just keep walking. Just keep walking. Why? 983 01:11:49,459 --> 01:11:50,834 Because he's finding you! 984 01:11:50,918 --> 01:11:52,959 Dawkins: A virus of the mind spreads 985 01:11:53,042 --> 01:11:57,417 by being listened to or seen by the sense organs. 986 01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:00,792 ♪ ♪ (footsteps) 987 01:12:00,876 --> 01:12:02,334 When one brain picks it up, 988 01:12:02,417 --> 01:12:04,751 it will have a tendency to pass it on to another brain 989 01:12:04,834 --> 01:12:08,000 and another brain and so on, so it will spread exponentially. 990 01:12:12,042 --> 01:12:14,083 (musical sting) (girls scream, laugh) 991 01:12:14,167 --> 01:12:15,375 (cries) 992 01:12:15,459 --> 01:12:17,125 (footsteps) 993 01:12:17,209 --> 01:12:19,876 Dawkins: And it's empirical fact that this happens. 994 01:12:19,959 --> 01:12:22,083 The Slenderman case is a very powerful example 995 01:12:22,167 --> 01:12:27,083 of peer-to-peer horizontal transmission. It does happen. 996 01:12:27,167 --> 01:12:28,334 (musical sting) 997 01:12:28,417 --> 01:12:30,417 (static) 998 01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:41,042 (keys jingling) 999 01:12:42,375 --> 01:12:43,542 Bill: Meow, meow, kitty. 1000 01:12:44,626 --> 01:12:46,876 (meows) That's right, come here. 1001 01:12:48,626 --> 01:12:51,083 Were you sleeping as usual? Yes, you were. 1002 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,500 (meows) (mimics meow) 1003 01:12:55,167 --> 01:12:56,250 Stand up straight. 1004 01:13:01,876 --> 01:13:05,959 I think you should wear your badge from Webelos Camp... 1005 01:13:06,042 --> 01:13:08,709 because there's only two people in your whole pack that have that badge. 1006 01:13:08,792 --> 01:13:12,459 Aiden: Okay. Bill: All right. All your pins are secure? 1007 01:13:12,542 --> 01:13:16,375 Aiden: Yes. Bill: You don't want to be losing them. Right? 1008 01:13:16,459 --> 01:13:18,834 Aiden: Yeah. Life is good. 1009 01:13:18,918 --> 01:13:20,417 You're all geared up, all right? 1010 01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:23,167 Aiden: Okay. Get ready to put that thing away. All right? 1011 01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:25,876 Okay. Bill: I don't want to get any grief about, 1012 01:13:25,959 --> 01:13:28,584 "Oh I just got to finish this level," or whatever else. 1013 01:13:28,667 --> 01:13:29,918 All right? 1014 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,209 (mutters) Aiden? 1015 01:13:32,417 --> 01:13:33,417 Yeah. 1016 01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:40,500 Yay? 1017 01:13:41,626 --> 01:13:43,334 Are you okay, Aiden? Aiden: Yeah. 1018 01:13:43,417 --> 01:13:45,459 You sound a little sniffley. 1019 01:13:45,542 --> 01:13:49,250 This whole event, from start to finish, has been a tragedy. 1020 01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:54,375 But you have to be angry at the situation. 1021 01:13:54,459 --> 01:13:56,250 I'm angry at the situation... 1022 01:13:57,792 --> 01:14:00,167 and my daughter is not the one... 1023 01:14:01,209 --> 01:14:02,542 that spent upwards of seven days 1024 01:14:02,626 --> 01:14:05,125 in the hospital recovering from this. 1025 01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:06,876 And I'm angry about the situation. 1026 01:14:06,959 --> 01:14:09,083 So, if I'm angry about it... 1027 01:14:09,167 --> 01:14:13,292 you know, this other family sure as hell has a right to be angry about it. 1028 01:14:14,876 --> 01:14:16,250 You know, they could... 1029 01:14:19,834 --> 01:14:22,667 you know, slam the door in my face, or, you know, 1030 01:14:22,751 --> 01:14:25,876 punch me in the face and knock me on my ass and you know... 1031 01:14:26,959 --> 01:14:30,000 they would probably be justified in doing so. 1032 01:14:31,459 --> 01:14:33,876 I'm sure they have a lot of the same questions I do. 1033 01:14:36,250 --> 01:14:41,584 Attorney 2: Did you come to any conclusions about Anissa, as far as a diagnosis? 1034 01:14:43,125 --> 01:14:45,667 The predisposing characteristics that... 1035 01:14:45,751 --> 01:14:49,292 made her susceptible to the delusional disorder... 1036 01:14:50,334 --> 01:14:53,375 is what's referred to as a schizotypy. 1037 01:14:53,459 --> 01:14:56,167 It's a diminished ability to determine 1038 01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:58,000 what's real and what's not real. 1039 01:14:58,083 --> 01:15:01,209 A lot of people have varying degrees of this. 1040 01:15:01,292 --> 01:15:05,667 Adults may have, simply, eccentric religious or spiritual beliefs 1041 01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:08,918 or... conspiratorial beliefs or things like that 1042 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,626 and live out their life with no problems at all. 1043 01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:14,250 I've done quite a bit of research 1044 01:15:14,334 --> 01:15:17,584 on the early stages of psychopathic personality 1045 01:15:17,667 --> 01:15:19,918 in adolescents over the last 20 years. 1046 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,167 Attorney 2: Based on your experiences and testing of Anissa, 1047 01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:25,792 she does not carry that particular diagnosis. 1048 01:15:25,876 --> 01:15:27,083 No. She doesn't have-- 1049 01:15:27,167 --> 01:15:29,959 she has, really, no characteristics of a psychopath 1050 01:15:30,042 --> 01:15:32,709 or a sociopath or anything like that. Attorney 2: Okay. 1051 01:15:32,792 --> 01:15:36,792 ♪ ♪ 1052 01:15:41,125 --> 01:15:44,626 Fisher: Morgan and Anissa came out of the bathroom. 1053 01:15:48,417 --> 01:15:51,500 Payton said that she didn't want to play hide and seek, 1054 01:15:51,584 --> 01:15:53,209 but Morgan said that the next game 1055 01:15:53,292 --> 01:15:55,876 that they played could be her choice. 1056 01:16:04,125 --> 01:16:05,584 ♪ ♪ 1057 01:16:07,125 --> 01:16:09,167 Payton said that... 1058 01:16:09,250 --> 01:16:13,542 Anissa pulled her deeper and deeper into the woods. 1059 01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:17,000 (Casey speaks on video) 1060 01:16:39,417 --> 01:16:40,459 And then... 1061 01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:52,834 Anissa says, "Now!" 1062 01:16:55,125 --> 01:16:57,334 And Anissa turns her back. 1063 01:17:06,542 --> 01:17:10,834 Morgan got on top of Payton's legs. 1064 01:17:10,918 --> 01:17:16,209 She sat on her legs, and then she got her face real close to Payton 1065 01:17:16,292 --> 01:17:20,542 and whispered in her ear, "I'm so sorry." 1066 01:17:20,626 --> 01:17:23,000 ♪ ♪ 1067 01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:25,042 And then started stabbing her. 1068 01:18:04,209 --> 01:18:07,626 Attorney: What, ultimately, was Morgan diagnosed with? 1069 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:14,417 The final diagnosis, both in the psychological report 1070 01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:18,167 and in my report are schizophrenia, 1071 01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:22,042 unspecified, 295.90... 1072 01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:28,584 oppositional defiant disorder, 313.81... 1073 01:18:29,626 --> 01:18:34,500 and bronchial asthma, mild, intermittent, J45.2. 1074 01:18:36,083 --> 01:18:38,709 ♪ ♪ 1075 01:18:47,709 --> 01:18:49,417 Attorney: What is schizophrenia? 1076 01:18:51,042 --> 01:18:54,667 Casimir: Schizophrenia is one of the most serious 1077 01:18:54,751 --> 01:18:57,083 and one of the most studied 1078 01:18:57,167 --> 01:19:00,459 mental illnesses of human beings. 1079 01:19:00,542 --> 01:19:05,042 Approximately 1% of the population succumbs to schizophrenia. 1080 01:19:06,918 --> 01:19:08,751 It is a psychotic illness. 1081 01:19:08,834 --> 01:19:13,083 It's through a combination of genetic predisposition 1082 01:19:13,167 --> 01:19:16,334 and then stress placed on the person 1083 01:19:16,417 --> 01:19:18,918 to begin manifesting symptoms. 1084 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,834 ♪ ♪ 1085 01:19:27,083 --> 01:19:30,417 Patients lose track of reality in a number of ways. 1086 01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:32,417 One would be hallucinations. 1087 01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:35,500 One could hear voices, one could see visions, 1088 01:19:35,584 --> 01:19:37,792 one could feel things crawling on them. 1089 01:19:39,292 --> 01:19:41,042 Delusions, on the other hand, 1090 01:19:41,125 --> 01:19:42,959 don't have to do with sensing something, 1091 01:19:43,042 --> 01:19:44,459 they have to do with a thought. 1092 01:19:44,542 --> 01:19:49,000 So, for example, believing that Slenderman is real is a delusion. 1093 01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:53,626 Saying that you saw Slenderman is a visual hallucination. 1094 01:19:53,709 --> 01:19:57,792 (leaves rustling) (Robert Niesen laughs) 1095 01:19:57,876 --> 01:20:00,500 Is the pile getting bigger? 1096 01:20:03,292 --> 01:20:05,459 Ha! (laughs) 1097 01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:10,667 Diana Niesen: Jumping in the leaves. 1098 01:20:10,751 --> 01:20:13,209 Robert: And that's one of my favorites. 1099 01:20:13,292 --> 01:20:16,542 I raked up a bunch of leaves in the back yard and... 1100 01:20:16,626 --> 01:20:19,334 she came flying in. (laughs) Diana: Nice action shot. 1101 01:20:22,417 --> 01:20:24,167 Diana: Yeah, it's hard for us to imagine 1102 01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:25,584 that she was having problems. 1103 01:20:27,250 --> 01:20:28,667 It's hard to process. 1104 01:20:30,459 --> 01:20:33,000 None of us... saw this coming. 1105 01:20:37,584 --> 01:20:39,542 Angie: Morgan recalls having 1106 01:20:39,626 --> 01:20:42,083 hallucinations as early as three. 1107 01:20:42,167 --> 01:20:44,626 She remembers... 1108 01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:48,417 seeing ghosts at night, as young as three, 1109 01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:51,125 that would bite her and pull her hair. 1110 01:20:52,167 --> 01:20:53,334 But from what I understand, 1111 01:20:53,417 --> 01:20:57,292 for the most part they were friendly, too. 1112 01:20:57,375 --> 01:21:02,334 She even said that she-- she tried to tell us about it once, 1113 01:21:02,417 --> 01:21:04,918 and that we just told her to go back to bed, 1114 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,542 but I don't have any recollection of that. 1115 01:21:09,292 --> 01:21:12,000 And really, how often do your children 1116 01:21:12,083 --> 01:21:15,042 tell you at bedtime that they're seeing something 1117 01:21:15,125 --> 01:21:16,500 or hearing something when they're that age? 1118 01:21:16,584 --> 01:21:20,292 "A monster's in my closet," or "something's under my bed," 1119 01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:23,125 you know, just because they don't want to go to bed. 1120 01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:26,083 It's hard because I haven't been able 1121 01:21:26,167 --> 01:21:29,083 to discuss these things with Morgan, 1122 01:21:29,167 --> 01:21:31,918 because she's been incarcerated... 1123 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,042 for the entire time that I've-- I've known... 1124 01:21:36,125 --> 01:21:38,417 that she's-- that she's had these symptoms. 1125 01:21:40,751 --> 01:21:44,209 Brooke Lundbohm: She expressed the ability to see and hear things 1126 01:21:44,292 --> 01:21:47,667 that other people are not able to hear or see. 1127 01:21:47,751 --> 01:21:49,500 Things like unicorns. 1128 01:21:49,584 --> 01:21:52,167 She at one point digressed 1129 01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:53,918 into fairly rambling discussion 1130 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,500 about a student in her class being a pegasus. 1131 01:21:56,584 --> 01:21:58,751 When I saw her last week, a few days before, 1132 01:21:58,834 --> 01:22:01,167 Snape had come to visit her and kept her up 1133 01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:03,834 until 3:00 in the morning, by Morgan's report. 1134 01:22:03,918 --> 01:22:05,667 Attorney: Snape? Snape. 1135 01:22:05,751 --> 01:22:08,417 Attorney: Who is that? A "Harry Potter" character. 1136 01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:11,167 She also will say not just that she's heard things, 1137 01:22:11,250 --> 01:22:12,834 but that since as early as three, 1138 01:22:12,918 --> 01:22:16,375 she's had some sensory-perceptual distortions. 1139 01:22:16,459 --> 01:22:20,417 She might see a person change slightly or see colors. 1140 01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:23,334 She doesn't... have much concern 1141 01:22:23,417 --> 01:22:25,626 about whether she gets a long prison sentence, 1142 01:22:25,709 --> 01:22:30,167 because, wherever she is, she will use Vulcan mind control 1143 01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:34,459 to make herself feel, to make herself believe whatever she likes. 1144 01:22:34,542 --> 01:22:37,959 And so, even under very stressful circumstances, 1145 01:22:38,042 --> 01:22:40,375 she doesn't feel the stress because of this-- 1146 01:22:40,459 --> 01:22:43,292 what she described to be Vulcan mind control. 1147 01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:45,375 Attorney 2: How about her-- her cell? 1148 01:22:45,459 --> 01:22:48,292 I would consider her cell disorganized. 1149 01:22:48,375 --> 01:22:52,500 She has papers scattered about the floor. 1150 01:22:52,584 --> 01:22:54,709 Attorney 2: Have you ever suggested picking them up? 1151 01:22:54,792 --> 01:23:00,459 Officer Simon: Yes, I have. And she stated that she liked the papers there 1152 01:23:00,542 --> 01:23:03,584 because they made it feel less empty. 1153 01:23:03,667 --> 01:23:05,876 Attorney 2: And she is in the room alone? Officer Simon: Correct. 1154 01:23:06,792 --> 01:23:08,626 She said, "Seeing my friends, 1155 01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:10,292 "none of these things are dangerous. 1156 01:23:10,375 --> 01:23:13,167 These friends can't disappear. They're important to me." 1157 01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:16,542 Attorney: Was she referring to real world friends or fictional friends? 1158 01:23:16,626 --> 01:23:17,876 Fictional, I believe. 1159 01:23:17,959 --> 01:23:21,292 Attorney 2: She's not allowed to hug her family or touch them? 1160 01:23:21,375 --> 01:23:25,000 Not in our facility. Attorney 2: Right. 1161 01:23:25,083 --> 01:23:28,584 She made clear that her primary concern 1162 01:23:28,667 --> 01:23:31,459 was with her relationship with Slenderman, 1163 01:23:31,542 --> 01:23:35,083 and she felt like if she says the wrong thing, 1164 01:23:35,167 --> 01:23:37,417 if she somehow upsets Slenderman, 1165 01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:41,709 not only hers but her family's lives could be in danger. 1166 01:23:43,751 --> 01:23:46,083 With childhood schizophrenia, 1167 01:23:46,167 --> 01:23:48,876 almost everyone develops, eventually, 1168 01:23:48,959 --> 01:23:52,083 negative symptoms and cognitive symptoms. 1169 01:23:53,125 --> 01:23:56,709 What's unique about Morgan's circumstance 1170 01:23:56,792 --> 01:23:59,959 is that a severe course is so predictable. 1171 01:24:15,209 --> 01:24:20,626 Well, we knew her diagnosis before we went to meet them at the hospital. 1172 01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:24,375 We had a conference call with two of the doctors, 1173 01:24:24,459 --> 01:24:26,083 so we were-- we were prepared. 1174 01:24:26,167 --> 01:24:29,250 And the reason that we all went up there, actually, 1175 01:24:29,334 --> 01:24:31,751 was so that we could tell Morgan 1176 01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:33,667 what her diagnosis was. 1177 01:24:33,751 --> 01:24:37,334 And we thought that it would be helpful for her to know 1178 01:24:37,417 --> 01:24:39,667 that her father also... 1179 01:24:40,626 --> 01:24:42,584 had the same mental illness, 1180 01:24:42,667 --> 01:24:46,792 because we had never told her previously that Matt had schizophrenia. 1181 01:24:48,250 --> 01:24:51,083 We were very worried about the way that she might react 1182 01:24:51,167 --> 01:24:54,209 to learning that she has schizophrenia 1183 01:24:54,292 --> 01:24:56,542 because Morgan-- Morgan's a very smart girl, 1184 01:24:56,626 --> 01:24:59,250 and she's been reading... Matt: Which makes me think that she knew. 1185 01:24:59,334 --> 01:25:03,334 Yeah. I think when they told her, she was probably like... 1186 01:25:03,417 --> 01:25:05,459 Not surprised. ..."Well, that's what I would've guessed... 1187 01:25:06,626 --> 01:25:09,083 if I had to diagnose myself." 1188 01:25:11,209 --> 01:25:13,417 Angie: What I think is that Morgan knows 1189 01:25:13,500 --> 01:25:16,751 that other people don't see her hallucinations, 1190 01:25:16,834 --> 01:25:19,083 but they're still very real to her. 1191 01:25:19,167 --> 01:25:20,959 Like, in her head they are real, 1192 01:25:21,042 --> 01:25:22,792 and they're there with her. 1193 01:25:22,876 --> 01:25:24,959 They're there. Angie: But I think that she knows 1194 01:25:25,042 --> 01:25:27,042 that other people don't see them. 1195 01:25:27,125 --> 01:25:30,083 Otherwise, why would she make an attempt to... 1196 01:25:30,167 --> 01:25:32,584 Cover it up. Mm-hmm. Angie: ...hide them from us, exactly. 1197 01:25:32,667 --> 01:25:34,042 It's because she doesn't want to lose them. 1198 01:25:34,125 --> 01:25:36,125 She's afraid they would be taken from her. 1199 01:25:42,292 --> 01:25:44,542 Angie: This is the doll house, 1200 01:25:44,626 --> 01:25:46,792 or the components for a doll house, 1201 01:25:46,876 --> 01:25:48,959 that Morgan made while she was housed 1202 01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:52,000 at Washington County Juvenile Detention Center. 1203 01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:56,250 And she just put so much... 1204 01:25:57,125 --> 01:25:59,834 detail into it, it's amazing. 1205 01:25:59,918 --> 01:26:02,667 She's not allowed to have scissors, 1206 01:26:02,751 --> 01:26:04,751 so all of these-- 1207 01:26:04,834 --> 01:26:10,000 all of these tiny little pieces she ripped by hand. 1208 01:26:10,083 --> 01:26:11,542 This is a television, and these are 1209 01:26:11,626 --> 01:26:15,542 some of her little cartoon characters that she likes to draw. 1210 01:26:15,626 --> 01:26:18,250 This actually, I think, is a character 1211 01:26:18,334 --> 01:26:20,209 that's modeled after Spock. 1212 01:26:20,292 --> 01:26:23,292 When I watched her do a couple of the dolls 1213 01:26:23,375 --> 01:26:26,584 and the-- and the clothing, 1214 01:26:26,667 --> 01:26:30,375 and she said what was surprising is how few times she had to start over. 1215 01:26:30,459 --> 01:26:34,334 Like, she was able to just be meticulous about-- Here's some food. 1216 01:26:34,417 --> 01:26:37,751 I think this is salad and a piece of pizza. A salad and a piece of pizza. 1217 01:26:37,834 --> 01:26:41,375 Here's a little laptop computer. 1218 01:26:41,459 --> 01:26:44,167 See there's even detail on the screen. 1219 01:26:46,792 --> 01:26:50,125 Look at the cute little heart on the front of the computer. 1220 01:26:51,083 --> 01:26:52,834 This looks like it's another TV. 1221 01:26:52,918 --> 01:26:56,125 Oh, and there's-- how appropriate. 1222 01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:59,542 There's a courtroom drama playing in the background. 1223 01:27:00,959 --> 01:27:04,626 When I ask her what she wants to watch on TV that night-- 1224 01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:07,876 it's one of the things I usually ask her when I talk to her on the phone-- 1225 01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:12,375 she'll say that it depends on whose turn it is to decide. 1226 01:27:12,459 --> 01:27:14,709 And she's in a cell by herself, 1227 01:27:14,792 --> 01:27:17,918 so she's the only person there. 1228 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,918 ♪ ♪ 1229 01:27:41,417 --> 01:27:45,667 I do a lot of stuff with running numbers in my head. 1230 01:27:48,751 --> 01:27:50,000 I do... 1231 01:27:52,584 --> 01:27:58,125 I try to put up static, almost, is how I describe it. 1232 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,918 I wish that I could talk to her about-- 1233 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,042 like, I have-- right now, there's like patterns 1234 01:28:07,125 --> 01:28:12,500 of light and geometric shapes 1235 01:28:12,584 --> 01:28:14,417 that's, like, always racing. 1236 01:28:15,375 --> 01:28:17,000 Like always, like right now. 1237 01:28:17,083 --> 01:28:21,083 Pshew, pshew, pshew, pshew, pshew, pshew. 1238 01:28:21,167 --> 01:28:24,042 I always wanted to know if she sees that stuff, too. 1239 01:28:25,792 --> 01:28:30,167 Everything seems normal to me, because it's-- it's my everything. 1240 01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:32,626 This is how I've always seen things. 1241 01:28:34,459 --> 01:28:36,667 So, it doesn't seem weird to me that like, 1242 01:28:36,751 --> 01:28:38,709 "Oh that's not how you see street lights?" 1243 01:28:38,792 --> 01:28:41,751 or "Oh, that's weird." 1244 01:28:41,834 --> 01:28:44,792 I don't know if that was everyone that had like a weird little visual... 1245 01:28:46,083 --> 01:28:47,125 thing going on... 1246 01:28:47,209 --> 01:28:50,500 like the glaring demon, devil. 1247 01:28:50,584 --> 01:28:54,667 Like that you're like, "Okay, this is clearly not real." 1248 01:28:54,751 --> 01:28:57,042 But it doesn't matter. Like, I've had where... 1249 01:28:58,834 --> 01:29:00,083 like you... 1250 01:29:01,667 --> 01:29:06,500 you can see it and you know it's not real... 1251 01:29:06,584 --> 01:29:09,167 but it totally doesn't matter, because you're still terrified of it. 1252 01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:11,500 Like, I know that there's... 1253 01:29:12,751 --> 01:29:15,500 I know the devil's not in the backseat, 1254 01:29:15,584 --> 01:29:19,584 but the devil is in the backseat. You know? 1255 01:29:24,292 --> 01:29:25,876 Yeah, sometimes you know it's not real, 1256 01:29:25,959 --> 01:29:30,209 but it still smells, tastes, and looks real, so it's real. 1257 01:29:30,292 --> 01:29:32,792 ♪ ♪ 1258 01:29:39,125 --> 01:29:40,876 Attorney: Could you just describe, in general terms, 1259 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,542 what you found in the bedroom when you went through it? 1260 01:29:43,626 --> 01:29:49,292 There were... numerous... notebooks 1261 01:29:49,375 --> 01:29:53,667 and pieces of paper with drawings 1262 01:29:53,751 --> 01:29:59,209 and writings pertaining to the Slenderman character. 1263 01:30:03,250 --> 01:30:06,375 ♪ ♪ 1264 01:30:39,375 --> 01:30:41,334 Attorney: Where was all this stuff located? 1265 01:30:43,626 --> 01:30:45,292 All in Morgan's bedroom. 1266 01:30:52,209 --> 01:30:55,792 Collins: When you ask Morgan... 1267 01:30:55,876 --> 01:30:58,459 "What if Slenderman doesn't exist?" 1268 01:30:59,375 --> 01:31:00,792 She can't tolerate that. 1269 01:31:00,876 --> 01:31:02,459 She becomes somewhat oppositional, 1270 01:31:02,542 --> 01:31:04,667 and says she knows it's true, 1271 01:31:04,751 --> 01:31:08,042 and it can't be proven untrue, so it's true. 1272 01:31:08,125 --> 01:31:09,209 Attorney: Did Morgan use the words 1273 01:31:09,292 --> 01:31:10,876 "It had to be done?" Yes. 1274 01:31:10,959 --> 01:31:13,209 Attorney: Did you tell her to say that? I did not. 1275 01:31:13,292 --> 01:31:15,667 Attorney: She's volunteering this to you? Correct. 1276 01:31:15,751 --> 01:31:17,042 (pen scratching) 1277 01:31:17,125 --> 01:31:18,918 Attorney: That seems like an unusual thing to say. 1278 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,876 It does. Attorney: Did you ask her what she meant by that? 1279 01:31:21,959 --> 01:31:26,167 I did. Attorney: And did you have to ask her multiple times? 1280 01:31:26,250 --> 01:31:27,250 I did. 1281 01:31:27,334 --> 01:31:29,500 Attorney: Okay, after you asked her multiple times 1282 01:31:29,584 --> 01:31:32,417 what she meant by "It had to be done," 1283 01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:34,667 what did she offer you or what did she say? 1284 01:31:34,751 --> 01:31:36,751 She told me that the man ordered it. 1285 01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,375 (attorney speaks) 1286 01:31:42,459 --> 01:31:43,417 Grunke: Yes, I did. 1287 01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:44,500 (attorney speaks) 1288 01:31:44,584 --> 01:31:45,626 She held up three fingers. 1289 01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:48,083 Attorney: Like three? Three. 1290 01:31:48,167 --> 01:31:51,334 Attorney: What did that-- did you try to understand what that meant? 1291 01:31:51,417 --> 01:31:53,626 I asked her if that meant three years ago, 1292 01:31:53,709 --> 01:31:56,751 and she said, "No, at age three." 1293 01:31:56,834 --> 01:32:00,751 She believed that she communicated telepathically 1294 01:32:00,834 --> 01:32:03,876 with Slenderman, and that... 1295 01:32:03,959 --> 01:32:07,375 once the communication began, that she had to do 1296 01:32:07,459 --> 01:32:10,042 what it was that Slenderman demanded. 1297 01:32:10,125 --> 01:32:12,042 Attorney 2: And if she didn't do what was demanded, 1298 01:32:12,125 --> 01:32:13,542 her family wouldn't be safe? 1299 01:32:13,626 --> 01:32:16,209 Robbins: She wouldn't be safe, her family wouldn't be safe. 1300 01:32:16,292 --> 01:32:18,834 Attorney 2: Dr. Robbins, was Morgan's entry 1301 01:32:18,918 --> 01:32:23,292 into this particular crime because of her psychosis? 1302 01:32:27,167 --> 01:32:28,500 I believe so. 1303 01:32:34,292 --> 01:32:37,500 Casimir: It bears saying that schizophrenia, 1304 01:32:37,584 --> 01:32:42,125 in and of itself, is not a dangerous illness. 1305 01:32:42,209 --> 01:32:45,125 There are many 35-year-olds who have schizophrenia 1306 01:32:45,209 --> 01:32:47,918 who don't have to be incarcerated, 1307 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,709 who can be managed in a community. 1308 01:32:50,792 --> 01:32:54,209 However, there's a second part to that. 1309 01:32:54,292 --> 01:32:59,918 When your delusion-- when your fixed delusion 1310 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,959 tells you to kill people... 1311 01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:05,792 and when your... 1312 01:33:05,876 --> 01:33:10,042 insight doesn't allow you to seek treatment, 1313 01:33:11,167 --> 01:33:13,709 then schizophrenia becomes dangerous. 1314 01:33:13,792 --> 01:33:16,292 It is a dangerous illness untreated... 1315 01:33:17,334 --> 01:33:19,792 and hence... we're here. 1316 01:33:20,751 --> 01:33:23,459 (chattering) (birds chirping) 1317 01:33:25,292 --> 01:33:28,667 Matt: You are just so lost in your illness 1318 01:33:28,751 --> 01:33:31,751 that no one knew about... 1319 01:33:31,834 --> 01:33:35,083 and then for people just to hate her like that, just hate you-- 1320 01:33:35,167 --> 01:33:37,209 "I hate that little girl. I hope she burns." 1321 01:33:37,292 --> 01:33:40,834 Like, having people call my house and tell me, 1322 01:33:40,918 --> 01:33:44,125 "You're going to burn in hell and so is your daughter." 1323 01:33:46,626 --> 01:33:48,626 People don't understand that... 1324 01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:52,042 (emotionally) she loves Bella. 1325 01:33:52,125 --> 01:33:54,459 We love Bella... 1326 01:33:55,792 --> 01:34:00,083 so much, and she still talks about her like they're friends. 1327 01:34:04,125 --> 01:34:08,876 Oh my god. She loves her like I love her. 1328 01:34:11,083 --> 01:34:15,334 And like, for people to talk about her the way they do, it's like-- 1329 01:34:15,417 --> 01:34:18,709 Morgan loved Bella. She's-- like, how sick are you 1330 01:34:18,792 --> 01:34:21,042 that you would do that to your best friend? 1331 01:34:21,125 --> 01:34:23,709 Because you're afraid of something happening, 1332 01:34:23,792 --> 01:34:26,584 or because you want something happen. 1333 01:34:26,667 --> 01:34:29,292 You want to become something... 1334 01:34:29,375 --> 01:34:33,083 because your illness dictated that this is something you need to be. 1335 01:34:34,334 --> 01:34:36,167 Just blows me away... 1336 01:34:37,334 --> 01:34:40,375 that people are like that. It just makes me sad. 1337 01:34:40,459 --> 01:34:42,292 (sniffles) I wish people knew. 1338 01:34:42,375 --> 01:34:45,250 (crying) ♪ ♪ 1339 01:34:57,959 --> 01:34:59,918 (Morgan speaking) 1340 01:35:13,918 --> 01:35:15,626 (whistling) 1341 01:35:20,542 --> 01:35:22,375 (Anissa speaking on video) 1342 01:35:24,209 --> 01:35:25,292 (speaks indistinctly) 1343 01:35:25,375 --> 01:35:27,000 (Anissa speaking on video) 1344 01:35:28,334 --> 01:35:29,459 (Anissa sighs) 1345 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,542 ♪ ♪ 1346 01:36:00,417 --> 01:36:01,584 (clears throat) 1347 01:36:14,292 --> 01:36:16,959 (Trussoni speaking) 1348 01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:22,542 (Anissa speaks) 1349 01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:25,709 (Trussoni speaking) 1350 01:36:38,417 --> 01:36:40,000 (Trussoni speaking) 1351 01:36:43,167 --> 01:36:47,417 The regular ones are just the regular cat treats that you're used to. 1352 01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:49,667 Just to say, "I love you, kitty." 1353 01:36:49,751 --> 01:36:53,000 Cat Snacks are only 2.99 at your local grocery store. 1354 01:36:54,292 --> 01:36:55,334 (Casey speaks) 1355 01:36:56,292 --> 01:36:57,584 (Morgan speaking) 1356 01:37:02,167 --> 01:37:03,250 Attorney: Thank you. 1357 01:37:04,584 --> 01:37:07,542 Detective, did you have a chance to watch that compilation? 1358 01:37:08,584 --> 01:37:09,959 I saw the compilation. 1359 01:37:10,042 --> 01:37:12,542 Attorney: And would you agree that that's you present 1360 01:37:12,626 --> 01:37:14,375 in that room with Morgan Geyser? 1361 01:37:15,334 --> 01:37:16,542 Those were... 1362 01:37:16,626 --> 01:37:18,417 pieces of the interview 1363 01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:21,417 that was me and Morgan together. 1364 01:37:21,500 --> 01:37:23,959 Attorney: Did you tell Morgan she could have parents available 1365 01:37:24,042 --> 01:37:26,083 to talk to before you interrogated her? 1366 01:37:26,167 --> 01:37:28,751 I did not tell her that, because that wasn't an option. 1367 01:37:28,834 --> 01:37:30,709 Attorney: You weren't going to let her parents be present? 1368 01:37:30,792 --> 01:37:33,667 Correct. Attorney: Or let her even have a phone call to talk to them? 1369 01:37:35,209 --> 01:37:38,375 Um, we did not offer her a phone call. 1370 01:37:40,334 --> 01:37:43,083 Attorney: At some point were you provided with Anissa's phone? 1371 01:37:43,167 --> 01:37:45,375 Casey: Yes, I was. Attorney: Did you have a chance to look 1372 01:37:45,459 --> 01:37:48,500 at any of the... messages on that phone? 1373 01:37:48,584 --> 01:37:49,918 Yes, I did. 1374 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,626 It says, "This is my final wish to those who care..." 1375 01:38:00,584 --> 01:38:03,250 ♪ ♪ 1376 01:38:08,876 --> 01:38:11,167 (crying) 1377 01:38:32,792 --> 01:38:33,918 Trussoni: Mm-hmm. 1378 01:38:38,667 --> 01:38:41,918 ♪ ♪ 1379 01:38:56,834 --> 01:38:59,626 (church bell ringing) 1380 01:39:02,375 --> 01:39:04,000 Attorney: Where did you locate the suspects? 1381 01:39:04,083 --> 01:39:07,959 Thom Moerman: They were located right by I-94 in Waukesha County. 1382 01:39:08,042 --> 01:39:10,292 Attorney: Did you notice anything 1383 01:39:10,375 --> 01:39:12,459 about Anissa's emotional state 1384 01:39:12,542 --> 01:39:13,918 when you had contact with her? 1385 01:39:15,250 --> 01:39:16,876 She said she was scared, 1386 01:39:16,959 --> 01:39:19,167 and I asked what was she scared of? 1387 01:39:19,250 --> 01:39:21,125 Attorney: And do you recall what she said to you? 1388 01:39:21,209 --> 01:39:24,083 She made mention that if she told me, 1389 01:39:24,167 --> 01:39:25,667 I would think that she was crazy, 1390 01:39:25,751 --> 01:39:28,709 and I told her that I didn't think anybody was crazy. 1391 01:39:31,334 --> 01:39:32,250 Trussoni: Okay. 1392 01:39:32,334 --> 01:39:34,792 (exhales) (clattering) 1393 01:39:44,667 --> 01:39:46,584 (mutters) 1394 01:39:56,334 --> 01:39:58,292 (breathes shakily) 1395 01:40:01,417 --> 01:40:03,292 (Trussoni speaks on video) 1396 01:40:04,250 --> 01:40:06,459 (Anissa speaking) 1397 01:40:21,375 --> 01:40:23,167 (Morgan speaking) 1398 01:40:25,334 --> 01:40:26,584 (Casey speaking) 1399 01:40:39,167 --> 01:40:41,667 (cellphone playing tune) (speaks indistinctly) 1400 01:40:48,209 --> 01:40:49,542 Can you ask the question again please? 1401 01:40:49,626 --> 01:40:51,626 Attorney 2: One of the first communications 1402 01:40:51,709 --> 01:40:53,834 before any of the search requests 1403 01:40:53,918 --> 01:40:55,459 was found on Anissa's phone 1404 01:40:55,542 --> 01:40:56,918 that was provided by her parents, correct? 1405 01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,417 Correct. Attorney 2: It was basically a goodbye letter. 1406 01:41:00,709 --> 01:41:01,792 Correct? Yes. 1407 01:41:03,167 --> 01:41:05,125 Attorney 2: And basically indicated that 1408 01:41:05,209 --> 01:41:07,209 people should remember who she was, 1409 01:41:07,292 --> 01:41:09,667 not grieve for her... 1410 01:41:09,751 --> 01:41:11,292 and that she wouldn't do them harm. 1411 01:41:11,375 --> 01:41:13,876 Correct. Attorney 2: Nothing further, Your Honor. 1412 01:41:13,959 --> 01:41:17,000 ♪ ♪ 1413 01:41:19,751 --> 01:41:22,959 (character blabbering on iPad) 1414 01:41:24,417 --> 01:41:27,417 Bill: Aiden? Wrap it up, chief. we got places to go. 1415 01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:31,042 All right? We have to run over to the school 1416 01:41:31,125 --> 01:41:35,000 for a mandatory meeting about iPads-- 1417 01:41:35,083 --> 01:41:36,709 setting up their iPad... 1418 01:41:37,584 --> 01:41:39,751 and using their iPad, and... 1419 01:41:41,542 --> 01:41:43,042 the disadvantages they'll be at 1420 01:41:43,125 --> 01:41:45,500 if they're not allowed to use their iPad. 1421 01:41:46,751 --> 01:41:48,667 (sighs) You know? 1422 01:41:48,751 --> 01:41:52,292 I don't think anybody can really, you know, begrudge me 1423 01:41:52,375 --> 01:41:54,083 for thinking the way I do about... 1424 01:41:55,375 --> 01:41:57,000 a bunch of fifth graders getting iPads. 1425 01:41:57,083 --> 01:41:59,626 You know, based on what this family has been through. 1426 01:41:59,709 --> 01:42:01,417 At the same token... 1427 01:42:04,876 --> 01:42:07,417 you know, I don't want to hinder his learning. 1428 01:42:08,375 --> 01:42:10,083 (blabbering) 1429 01:42:12,417 --> 01:42:14,626 Bill: I guess I just need to... 1430 01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:16,667 get over my own reservations about it. 1431 01:42:18,292 --> 01:42:19,667 And about the iPads. 1432 01:42:21,751 --> 01:42:23,667 If I'd had my way, he wouldn't have one. 1433 01:42:26,667 --> 01:42:29,792 You have a child that is... 1434 01:42:32,042 --> 01:42:35,542 incarcerated, for lack of a better term... 1435 01:42:35,626 --> 01:42:37,167 but your other life still has to go on, 1436 01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:40,083 so you still have to be able to support your other children 1437 01:42:40,167 --> 01:42:43,000 with the activities that they're in, and... 1438 01:42:43,083 --> 01:42:45,667 you do your best to support your children 1439 01:42:45,751 --> 01:42:47,417 that you can't have access to... 1440 01:42:48,876 --> 01:42:51,918 and have to explain to Anissa that, 1441 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,417 "Well, I might not be able to come up on Tuesday, 1442 01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:56,542 "because Aiden has a pack meeting. 1443 01:42:56,626 --> 01:42:58,209 I have to be there for that." 1444 01:42:59,918 --> 01:43:03,792 I've had conversations with... my oldest son. 1445 01:43:03,876 --> 01:43:07,292 I was out in the backyard. He comes outside, he says to me, "What's wrong?" 1446 01:43:07,375 --> 01:43:11,334 (clock ticking) 1447 01:43:31,375 --> 01:43:33,250 (breathes deeply) 1448 01:43:39,042 --> 01:43:40,459 That's when I told him... 1449 01:43:40,542 --> 01:43:42,459 it's just stressful as hell... 1450 01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:50,167 trying to keep everything as balanced as it can possibly be. 1451 01:43:53,292 --> 01:43:55,792 (sighs) You never get a day off... 1452 01:44:00,042 --> 01:44:01,542 (emotionally) and it wears on you. 1453 01:44:05,792 --> 01:44:07,626 It just really wears the shit outta ya. 1454 01:44:10,167 --> 01:44:14,500 Because you have to do so much more... 1455 01:44:17,375 --> 01:44:19,375 to try to keep everybody 1456 01:44:19,459 --> 01:44:22,626 in a positive place, including yourself. 1457 01:44:29,042 --> 01:44:30,042 It's... 1458 01:44:31,542 --> 01:44:32,959 It's mentally... 1459 01:44:34,167 --> 01:44:38,667 and emotionally and physically just draining. 1460 01:44:43,709 --> 01:44:45,250 (sniffles) 1461 01:44:51,292 --> 01:44:53,167 (birds chirping) 1462 01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:58,751 Angie: I knew it was always a risk, 1463 01:44:58,834 --> 01:45:02,292 simply because of... genetics 1464 01:45:02,375 --> 01:45:05,709 that one of our children might develop schizophrenia. 1465 01:45:07,626 --> 01:45:09,959 I never thought something like this would happen. 1466 01:45:12,042 --> 01:45:13,417 Matt is so... 1467 01:45:15,125 --> 01:45:19,042 He's so high functioning and he's so... stable. 1468 01:45:20,542 --> 01:45:23,834 I just know that he's developed an awareness 1469 01:45:23,918 --> 01:45:26,042 of what's real and what's not. 1470 01:45:27,792 --> 01:45:30,000 And I think, for Morgan, 1471 01:45:30,083 --> 01:45:31,959 those lines are still pretty blurry... 1472 01:45:34,667 --> 01:45:36,500 but it's all still very real to her. 1473 01:45:36,584 --> 01:45:39,375 ♪ ♪ 1474 01:45:39,459 --> 01:45:44,000 In general, Morgan's just becoming more and more lost 1475 01:45:44,083 --> 01:45:46,500 and involved in this world 1476 01:45:46,584 --> 01:45:49,292 of imaginary friends that she has. 1477 01:45:51,417 --> 01:45:55,667 The best possible situation would be that she ends up in an environment 1478 01:45:55,751 --> 01:45:58,000 where she can receive treatment for her schizophrenia, 1479 01:45:58,083 --> 01:46:00,918 and that would be a psychiatric facility. 1480 01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,667 Not prison. She can't go to prison. 1481 01:46:03,751 --> 01:46:06,042 ♪ ♪ 1482 01:46:07,626 --> 01:46:10,792 I think it's kind of cruel of the courts... 1483 01:46:12,250 --> 01:46:15,417 to have a law where you can take two girls 1484 01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:17,959 who are not troublemakers prior... 1485 01:46:20,042 --> 01:46:23,000 And they did not try to hide what they did. 1486 01:46:23,083 --> 01:46:25,500 They did not lie about what they did. 1487 01:46:25,584 --> 01:46:27,334 They were very truthful for it. 1488 01:46:27,417 --> 01:46:30,918 And it's like they're being punished extra because of it. 1489 01:46:33,918 --> 01:46:36,751 Well, let's hope the judge is gonna have some good news. 1490 01:46:38,042 --> 01:46:40,167 Some very good news. 1491 01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:43,167 The two young girls accused of stabbing their classmate 1492 01:46:43,250 --> 01:46:44,500 are back in court. 1493 01:46:44,584 --> 01:46:46,209 WISN 12 news' Hillary Mintz 1494 01:46:46,292 --> 01:46:48,417 is live in Waukesha County with the very latest. 1495 01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:49,751 Hillary. Well, Melinda, 1496 01:46:49,834 --> 01:46:52,375 for pretty much the past year since the stabbing happened, 1497 01:46:52,459 --> 01:46:54,709 a judge here at the county courthouse 1498 01:46:54,792 --> 01:46:57,000 has been trying to figure out "Should Morgan Geyser 1499 01:46:57,083 --> 01:47:00,083 and Anissa Weier be tried as adults or juveniles?" 1500 01:47:00,167 --> 01:47:02,375 That decision is expected to come today, 1501 01:47:02,459 --> 01:47:06,167 and the stakes in that decision are extremely high. 1502 01:47:06,250 --> 01:47:08,834 ♪ ♪ 1503 01:47:08,918 --> 01:47:11,167 The victim, 13-year-old Payton Leutner, 1504 01:47:11,250 --> 01:47:12,667 has physically recovered, 1505 01:47:12,751 --> 01:47:14,626 but they say she is still dealing 1506 01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:16,667 with the emotional damage. 1507 01:47:16,751 --> 01:47:19,709 ♪ ♪ 1508 01:47:37,834 --> 01:47:41,000 The court's prepared to proceed with the ruling. 1509 01:47:47,375 --> 01:47:50,500 The court easily finds that this is a violent, 1510 01:47:50,584 --> 01:47:53,083 premeditated, personal offense. 1511 01:47:53,167 --> 01:47:54,959 There was a conscious decision made 1512 01:47:55,042 --> 01:47:57,667 at the time of the offense to let the victim die. 1513 01:47:59,042 --> 01:48:02,167 They told P.L. that they would leave to get her help. 1514 01:48:02,250 --> 01:48:04,209 They did leave... 1515 01:48:04,292 --> 01:48:07,500 and they left, walking to the Nicolet National Forest 1516 01:48:07,584 --> 01:48:09,209 to locate the Slenderman Mansion 1517 01:48:09,292 --> 01:48:11,000 and then meet up with Slenderman. 1518 01:48:12,584 --> 01:48:14,918 This is charged as an attempted murder, 1519 01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,250 but you have to keep in mind for both defendants 1520 01:48:17,334 --> 01:48:20,709 that this was in fact-- this was an effort to kill someone, 1521 01:48:20,792 --> 01:48:22,834 not a mistake by hitting them too hard, 1522 01:48:22,918 --> 01:48:25,542 not a mistake by pushing them too hard. 1523 01:48:26,918 --> 01:48:28,417 The issue of brain development 1524 01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:30,751 is important for the court to consider. 1525 01:48:30,834 --> 01:48:33,250 They were young when the offense occurred, 1526 01:48:33,334 --> 01:48:35,500 but they get older every day, frankly. 1527 01:48:35,584 --> 01:48:37,167 They're a year older today. 1528 01:48:39,417 --> 01:48:41,959 But what happens at age 18? And in this court's view, 1529 01:48:42,042 --> 01:48:45,709 that's a critical factor for the court to evaluate. 1530 01:48:46,792 --> 01:48:48,792 There would be no oversight, no control, 1531 01:48:48,876 --> 01:48:52,626 no ways to ensure public safety. 1532 01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:54,959 They've committed an offense that is serious. 1533 01:48:55,042 --> 01:48:56,709 It's-- it's, frankly, vicious. 1534 01:48:56,792 --> 01:49:00,000 There has to be assurance that that doesn't happen again, 1535 01:49:00,083 --> 01:49:01,834 that a serious offense 1536 01:49:01,918 --> 01:49:04,542 is dealt with on a serious basis 1537 01:49:04,626 --> 01:49:06,542 that offers protections to everyone. 1538 01:49:06,626 --> 01:49:09,918 On that basis then, I'll order that the defendants, 1539 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,584 Ms. Geyser and Ms. Weier, 1540 01:49:11,667 --> 01:49:14,334 be retained in the adult jurisdiction. 1541 01:49:14,417 --> 01:49:15,667 As so ordered. 1542 01:49:19,459 --> 01:49:21,667 Nick Bohr: There were tears and some surprise here in court 1543 01:49:21,751 --> 01:49:25,125 as a judge denied a motion by lawyers for both girls 1544 01:49:25,209 --> 01:49:27,834 to have their cases handled in juvenile court. 1545 01:49:27,918 --> 01:49:29,667 Anissa Weier's lawyer went on to say 1546 01:49:29,751 --> 01:49:32,584 they'll be discussing the possibility of an appeal. 1547 01:49:32,667 --> 01:49:35,751 The victim's father here said they wouldn't be commenting, 1548 01:49:35,834 --> 01:49:38,417 though the family did appear to be upbeat 1549 01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:39,792 following this decision. 1550 01:49:39,876 --> 01:49:42,834 ♪ ♪ 1551 01:50:03,083 --> 01:50:06,375 Bill: I'm sure that they would have been found eventually. 1552 01:50:06,459 --> 01:50:09,751 I think they never would have made it to the state forest. 1553 01:50:11,918 --> 01:50:15,125 From Waukesha to the Nicolet State Forest 1554 01:50:15,209 --> 01:50:17,792 is a good four- to five-hour drive. 1555 01:50:17,876 --> 01:50:20,375 And they thought they were going to walk that? 1556 01:50:21,834 --> 01:50:27,167 They had no idea of what it would take to walk that distance. 1557 01:50:30,542 --> 01:50:37,792 The judge ordered that Anissa have no contact with the Internet. 1558 01:50:39,709 --> 01:50:41,792 The judge also ordered that, you know, 1559 01:50:41,876 --> 01:50:44,542 she have no contact with the co-defendant. 1560 01:50:44,626 --> 01:50:47,125 ♪ ♪ 1561 01:50:53,459 --> 01:50:57,417 Angie: Morgan has no access to the outdoors. 1562 01:50:58,834 --> 01:51:02,250 Not even a window to look out. 1563 01:51:03,334 --> 01:51:06,167 Morgan says that this doesn't bother her, 1564 01:51:06,250 --> 01:51:09,667 because she doesn't want to go outside anymore. 1565 01:51:09,751 --> 01:51:12,083 (birds chirping) 1566 01:51:13,792 --> 01:51:19,876 One of the things that Anissa and her had talked about was, 1567 01:51:19,959 --> 01:51:21,626 no matter what happened... 1568 01:51:22,459 --> 01:51:24,459 they would always be together. 1569 01:51:25,584 --> 01:51:28,375 (crow caws) (no discernible dialog) 1570 01:51:28,459 --> 01:51:30,709 ♪ ♪ 1571 01:51:43,459 --> 01:51:46,250 (chains clinking) (camera clicking) 1572 01:52:00,542 --> 01:52:04,042 (mouse clicking) (camera clicking) 1573 01:52:04,125 --> 01:52:05,626 (woman coughs) (whispering) 1574 01:52:11,375 --> 01:52:13,751 ♪ ♪ 1575 01:52:35,918 --> 01:52:37,000 (mouse clicks) 1576 01:52:39,292 --> 01:52:43,459 ♪ ♪ 1577 01:52:54,542 --> 01:52:57,209 (church bell ringing) 1578 01:53:51,417 --> 01:53:54,834 ♪ ♪ 1579 01:54:42,042 --> 01:54:44,667 (hums) (pen scratches) 117991