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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:13,733 --> 00:01:17,633 [ Horn Blowing ] 2 00:02:21,633 --> 00:02:23,533 [ No Audible Dialogue ] 3 00:02:29,067 --> 00:02:30,567 [ Chattering ] 4 00:03:29,267 --> 00:03:32,167 [ Loud Splash ] 5 00:03:50,533 --> 00:03:54,700 [ Man ] It was sort of a weird day. The wind was lightish. 6 00:03:54,733 --> 00:03:56,667 I was just kiting there. 7 00:03:56,700 --> 00:04:00,200 I cut over to the south tower and some stuff fell, 8 00:04:00,233 --> 00:04:02,367 so I cut back the other way... 9 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,767 and I just saw a mass falling toward my kite. 10 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,600 I thought it was the same thing. 11 00:04:08,633 --> 00:04:11,233 And so I turned the kite back. 12 00:04:11,267 --> 00:04:14,233 Then I looked over, and before they hit... 13 00:04:14,267 --> 00:04:17,167 I realized it was a person that had jumped. 14 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,233 [ Chris ] So then I cut over just to see... 15 00:04:20,267 --> 00:04:22,467 or maybe, possibly help. 16 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:24,567 The current just sucked them under. 17 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,233 I stayed in the tide because I knew the coast guard would come. 18 00:04:29,267 --> 00:04:33,033 That's when it became more of a surreal experience to me... 19 00:04:33,067 --> 00:04:36,800 because I've seen that coast guard boat a million times. 20 00:04:36,833 --> 00:04:40,300 They've helped us out and rescued us when we had problems, 21 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:44,633 but they were all wearing the white hazmat suits, 22 00:04:44,667 --> 00:04:48,033 and that's when I realized that there was definitely a person in. 23 00:04:52,433 --> 00:04:55,533 [ Eric ] I never knew the real scale of the problem. 24 00:04:55,567 --> 00:04:58,433 I don't know. The whole thing is crazy to me. 25 00:04:58,467 --> 00:05:01,500 I just don't even understand it, really. 26 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:04,533 [ Chris ] When I was riding back after that time, 27 00:05:04,567 --> 00:05:07,400 I was thinking about how... 28 00:05:07,433 --> 00:05:12,067 that person was at the lowest of the low of their life, obviously, 29 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:15,133 and the whole day all I could think about-- 30 00:05:15,167 --> 00:05:17,433 "It's gonna be a good day to go out and kite," 31 00:05:17,467 --> 00:05:20,100 and my passions for it, 32 00:05:20,133 --> 00:05:22,133 and here at the same time, you know, 33 00:05:22,167 --> 00:05:25,500 I'm reaching, you know, for what I love to do, 34 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,433 and this person's ending their life. 35 00:05:27,467 --> 00:05:30,067 So that was unreal. 36 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:34,033 [ Eric ] Yeah, exactly. Kiting is, to me, a real celebration of life. 37 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:36,133 It's exhilarating. It's thrilling. 38 00:05:36,167 --> 00:05:38,500 It's just awesome. 39 00:05:38,533 --> 00:05:41,700 So it's a real juxtaposition of celebration of life... 40 00:05:41,733 --> 00:05:43,600 and the ending of life. 41 00:05:47,767 --> 00:05:52,800 [ Man ] * It's neither heaven nor space * 42 00:05:52,833 --> 00:05:56,333 * It's just high 43 00:05:58,633 --> 00:06:01,133 * And the ring around the moon * 44 00:06:01,167 --> 00:06:02,433 Whoo-hoo! 45 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:06,533 * Looks like light * 46 00:06:06,567 --> 00:06:09,500 [ Woman ] It was one of those epic days in San Francisco, 47 00:06:09,533 --> 00:06:11,300 driving across the Golden Gate Bridge. 48 00:06:11,333 --> 00:06:14,400 It was crystal clear. The bay was calm. 49 00:06:14,433 --> 00:06:17,033 There were tourists walking across the bridge. 50 00:06:17,067 --> 00:06:19,533 And usually on those types of days... 51 00:06:19,567 --> 00:06:22,133 I always soak in the beauty of the bay... 52 00:06:22,167 --> 00:06:24,667 and look over to Alcatraz. 53 00:06:24,700 --> 00:06:29,767 And on that particular day I looked over-- 54 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,400 I was probably a little bit more than mid-span... 55 00:06:32,433 --> 00:06:35,233 when I saw... 56 00:06:35,267 --> 00:06:38,467 this gentleman on the railings. 57 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:40,800 And at first glance I thought, 58 00:06:40,833 --> 00:06:43,400 "Wow, this guy looks like he's gonna bungee jump." 59 00:06:43,433 --> 00:06:47,367 Because of the way that he was standing on the railing. 60 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,367 And then common sense kicked in and said, "You can't"-- 61 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,100 My thoughts were, you couldn't jump off the bridge-- 62 00:06:54,133 --> 00:06:56,233 bungee jump off the bridge. 63 00:06:56,267 --> 00:06:59,300 And then he just kind of held his arms out... 64 00:06:59,333 --> 00:07:01,100 and disappeared. 65 00:07:01,133 --> 00:07:05,067 And I wasn't sure if I was imagining this, 66 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:09,333 and so I drove for a few seconds, then looked in my rearview mirror. 67 00:07:09,367 --> 00:07:11,300 My heart rate went up... 68 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:16,167 and I almost felt like I wanted to start crying, 69 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,633 because I thought to myself, 70 00:07:18,667 --> 00:07:24,233 "Wow, I might be one of the last people that have ever seen this person alive." 71 00:07:24,267 --> 00:07:28,667 When I went into the tower and I talked to the highway patrolman, 72 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:31,033 I asked him blatantly, 73 00:07:31,067 --> 00:07:35,067 "Is this a rare occurrence, or does this happen often?" 74 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:38,267 And he looked at me and kinda smiled and just said, 75 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:40,233 "It happens all the time." 76 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:11,433 [ Woman ] It's hard to define Gene as a person. 77 00:08:11,467 --> 00:08:13,000 He was... 78 00:08:14,633 --> 00:08:19,133 um, just not of this world, I think, 79 00:08:19,167 --> 00:08:21,200 is really the truth of it. 80 00:08:21,233 --> 00:08:23,333 Not of this world... 81 00:08:23,367 --> 00:08:25,400 as we know it. 82 00:08:25,433 --> 00:08:27,033 Um-- 83 00:08:29,067 --> 00:08:33,200 His mother was a woman who said, "Oh, I never want children." 84 00:08:33,233 --> 00:08:36,067 And then, uh, a few years later... 85 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:38,233 she found herself pregnant... 86 00:08:38,267 --> 00:08:41,433 and decided, um, 87 00:08:41,467 --> 00:08:43,633 to have the child... 88 00:08:43,667 --> 00:08:47,467 rather than leave the country for an alternative, 89 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:50,233 and she was looking forward to it. 90 00:08:50,267 --> 00:08:54,133 And so came my-- my friend Gene, 91 00:08:54,167 --> 00:08:58,133 who was always referred to as my little brother, Thump. 92 00:08:58,167 --> 00:09:01,433 He was born an old man. 93 00:09:01,467 --> 00:09:04,700 Um, and all their lives... 94 00:09:04,733 --> 00:09:07,567 it was just the two of them, pretty much. 95 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,300 Uh, people came and went in their lives... 96 00:09:10,333 --> 00:09:12,333 in relationships of various sorts, 97 00:09:12,367 --> 00:09:14,767 but it was mostly just always... 98 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,367 the two of them, 99 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,333 dependent on each other for... 100 00:09:21,067 --> 00:09:24,033 that stability that, um, 101 00:09:24,067 --> 00:09:27,100 one thinks of as tomorrow is coming, 102 00:09:27,133 --> 00:09:28,467 and we will do this, 103 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:30,400 and we will do that. 104 00:09:36,567 --> 00:09:39,067 [ Woman ] Growing up with Lisa in Marin, 105 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:42,133 she was just like completely normal until she was, like, 14. 106 00:09:42,167 --> 00:09:43,633 [ Woman #2 ] Fourteen. Mm-hmm. 107 00:09:43,667 --> 00:09:46,033 I'm four years older. I moved away. 108 00:09:46,067 --> 00:09:48,633 I lived in Alaska, and my mom would write me and say, 109 00:09:48,667 --> 00:09:53,300 "Hey, Lisa's, um, acting strange and doing these things." 110 00:09:53,333 --> 00:09:55,467 And I kept telling her it was... 111 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:57,133 typical teenage stuff. 112 00:09:57,167 --> 00:09:59,367 I came back 10 months later... 113 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,367 and there was a big change. 114 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,733 Our upbringing, uh, was-- 115 00:10:05,433 --> 00:10:08,067 w-w-was fabulous, uh, I would say, 116 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:11,267 until my father suddenly died when I was 14. 117 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:13,633 That was a shock. Um-- 118 00:10:13,667 --> 00:10:15,467 That threw all three of us. 119 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:18,067 But it didn't make Jeff and I mentally ill. 120 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:20,667 But Lisa had a different personality. 121 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:24,500 She wasn't as outgoing as my brother or I, and she was just-- 122 00:10:24,533 --> 00:10:26,333 She was more angelic. 123 00:10:29,067 --> 00:10:31,700 [ Rachel ] We went through all the counselors... 124 00:10:31,733 --> 00:10:35,500 and finally got her to go to a psychiatrist, 125 00:10:35,533 --> 00:10:39,433 and he said that Lisa is a paranoid schizophrenic... 126 00:10:39,467 --> 00:10:41,667 and she will never recover. 127 00:10:43,133 --> 00:10:46,233 That was a terrible thing to tell a mother. 128 00:10:46,267 --> 00:10:50,600 He says, "You have to take her right now to the crisis center at Marin General." 129 00:10:50,633 --> 00:10:53,600 She immediately, when we got there, got on the pay phone... 130 00:10:53,633 --> 00:10:57,700 and started calling her friends and telling them how terrible I was... 131 00:10:57,733 --> 00:11:00,300 to bring her to this place. 132 00:11:00,333 --> 00:11:04,700 Well, they brought her into the crisis unit, and do you know, 133 00:11:04,733 --> 00:11:09,233 for all the bad things she did when she was home, 134 00:11:09,267 --> 00:11:11,767 she straightened up, 135 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,700 acted as if she was perfectly normal, 136 00:11:14,733 --> 00:11:16,567 and they discharged her. 137 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,067 We went through that several times. 138 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,433 She had her own style. 139 00:11:27,467 --> 00:11:31,200 She liked to wear headbands. She liked to wear black. 140 00:11:31,233 --> 00:11:33,767 Black leather headbands with rhinestones. 141 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,767 And matching gloves with no fingers. 142 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,800 And she always wore bicycle gloves. 143 00:11:38,833 --> 00:11:41,433 No. Harley rider gloves. 144 00:11:41,467 --> 00:11:43,533 You know? Leather. Leather. Leather. 145 00:11:43,567 --> 00:11:46,367 Leather gloves, yes. She was the leather queen. 146 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:06,467 [ Man ] I met Gene at a comic book convention in Oakland. 147 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:08,633 We just hit it off immediately. 148 00:12:08,667 --> 00:12:12,233 By looking at us, you wouldn't think we would become such tight friends, 149 00:12:12,267 --> 00:12:15,200 but we did, you know. 150 00:12:15,233 --> 00:12:20,433 He looked like the cool rocker type, you know. 151 00:12:20,467 --> 00:12:22,267 Long hair, you know. 152 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:26,467 Everything about him is, you know, just cool, and the ladies like it. 153 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:28,767 And I was Mr. Hip-hop, you know-- 154 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,700 other side of the spectrum and stuff. 155 00:12:30,733 --> 00:12:32,767 Everything was black. 156 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,033 His clothes were black. His hair was black. 157 00:12:36,067 --> 00:12:39,733 Uh, the curtains were black. 158 00:12:39,767 --> 00:12:41,767 The walls were black. 159 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,300 The sheets were black. 160 00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:46,600 Um, he just wanted-- 161 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:51,300 It's as though he wanted no-- 162 00:12:51,333 --> 00:12:53,300 no contrasts. 163 00:12:53,333 --> 00:12:57,333 He mostly just wanted to be in his room with his computer. 164 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,067 [ Dave ] Me and Gene had long talks about love... 165 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:05,067 and where he's trying to find it. 166 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:08,733 And I told him, he's not gonna find it on the Internet. 167 00:13:08,767 --> 00:13:13,300 A lot of times he didn't want to hear it. He just wanted what he saw. 168 00:13:13,333 --> 00:13:16,233 He would send me pictures of these girls, and I'm like, 169 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,167 "Dude, what are you doing?" You know? [ Laughs ] 170 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,067 That's not-- That ain't it, you know? 171 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:27,233 I'm like, take time, get to know this person. You know? 172 00:13:27,267 --> 00:13:29,533 You don't know this person from nothin'. 173 00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:32,300 Just because you read a bio about this person... 174 00:13:32,333 --> 00:13:35,467 and this person wants to turn around and have sex with you, 175 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:37,333 that's not love, you know. 176 00:13:48,833 --> 00:13:51,267 [ Lyle ] I noticed early on... 177 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:55,433 that Lisa was very interested in-- in romance. 178 00:13:55,467 --> 00:14:00,633 Um, and I saw her go through some very painful rejections. 179 00:14:00,667 --> 00:14:04,567 [ Rachel ] She met a guy-- This was just before Christmas. 180 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,233 She took off with him on a bus. 181 00:14:08,267 --> 00:14:11,467 She was gone for a week. We had no idea where she was. 182 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:13,400 She was off her medication. 183 00:14:13,433 --> 00:14:16,067 And I was wrapping gifts. 184 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:20,633 All of the sudden, I looked up and there was Lisa outside, 185 00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:23,133 just really in a bad state. 186 00:14:23,167 --> 00:14:27,333 [ Dog Barking ] She thought our dogs were devils. 187 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,467 She broke a clock because she thought it was a time bomb. 188 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:32,800 I had to have the police come out. 189 00:14:32,833 --> 00:14:36,767 But before they would admit her, she had to have a court order to get in... 190 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,700 because she'd been in and out of the crisis so many times. 191 00:14:43,167 --> 00:14:46,100 [ Tara ] Being a schizophrenic is like watching TV... 192 00:14:46,133 --> 00:14:49,733 and having 44 channels on at the same time. 193 00:14:49,767 --> 00:14:53,367 And that's her environment, 24/7. You know? 194 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,233 There's just, like, little noises here, or something there. 195 00:14:56,267 --> 00:14:58,433 I'm trying to talk here, 196 00:14:58,467 --> 00:15:01,600 but that's distracting me, that's distracting me, and it's all equal. 197 00:15:03,333 --> 00:15:05,467 That would freak anybody out. 198 00:15:12,233 --> 00:15:15,133 [ Thunder Rumbling ] 199 00:15:17,633 --> 00:15:20,200 [ Rachel ] She graduated from house to house... 200 00:15:20,233 --> 00:15:23,500 to a home where there was constant care, 201 00:15:23,533 --> 00:15:26,700 and finally to independent living... 202 00:15:26,733 --> 00:15:28,733 for about 15 years. 203 00:15:28,767 --> 00:15:30,767 That place was great. She had her own room. 204 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,267 She had a very nice situation there. She liked it there. 205 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:37,667 But one of her roommates there-- Right? Jumped off the bridge too. 206 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:41,433 No, this was a friend. A friend of hers. A friend. 207 00:15:41,467 --> 00:15:43,733 Two years ago? Oh, no, it's longer than that. 208 00:15:43,767 --> 00:15:46,567 Longer than that? Much longer. 209 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,567 As far as pills and other forms of suicide, 210 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,033 I haven't personally experienced that in my houses. 211 00:15:55,067 --> 00:15:59,667 It's like the last three people, I think, who I was kind of close to in Buckelew... 212 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:02,333 were all bridge jumpers. 213 00:16:13,067 --> 00:16:16,633 [ Tara ] After she settled in in Marin, she was pretty stable. 214 00:16:16,667 --> 00:16:18,667 Then all of the sudden this past year... 215 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:21,633 she just felt she needed more support for some reason. 216 00:16:21,667 --> 00:16:24,100 Do you think that was the medication change? 217 00:16:24,133 --> 00:16:26,500 Um, no, I think it was because she was ill. 218 00:16:26,533 --> 00:16:28,367 Oh, 'cause she wasn't feeling good. 219 00:16:30,067 --> 00:16:32,267 [ Rachel ] Her teeth were just so rotted. 220 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:36,267 We felt it was from medication and from drinking a lot of Coke. 221 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,600 So she had to have all her teeth removed. 222 00:16:38,633 --> 00:16:41,500 So she looked kinda funny walking around with no teeth. 223 00:16:41,533 --> 00:16:43,500 That was-- That was a problem too. 224 00:16:44,767 --> 00:16:47,733 [ Rachel ] Just from then on, downhill. 225 00:16:47,767 --> 00:16:50,667 [ Horn Blowing ] 226 00:16:54,667 --> 00:16:57,100 [ People Chattering ] [ Woman ] Let's stay together. 227 00:16:57,133 --> 00:16:59,400 The Golden Gate Bridge was designed by Joseph Strauss. 228 00:16:59,433 --> 00:17:02,467 It opened in 1937. 229 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:04,733 Each year, about nine million tourists-- 230 00:17:06,667 --> 00:17:09,500 [ Woman ] Well, we went for Easter vacation... 231 00:17:09,533 --> 00:17:12,800 to take all the kids to San Francisco. 232 00:17:12,833 --> 00:17:15,700 Before going to the Alcatraz-- 233 00:17:15,733 --> 00:17:18,767 Before going to the Golden Bridge, we went to Alcatraz... 234 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,333 and we went to, um, 235 00:17:21,367 --> 00:17:23,467 the Pier 39. 236 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,733 And from there we took a walk to the Golden Gate. 237 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:33,767 [ Rachel ] We had a big dinner on-- 238 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,333 [ Tara ] The week before Easter. The week before. Palm Sunday. 239 00:17:37,367 --> 00:17:40,700 So I said, "Lisa, I'm not going to fix a big dinner on Easter Sunday." 240 00:17:40,733 --> 00:17:42,767 The kids weren't going to be around. 241 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,600 Mm-hmm. So-- 242 00:17:44,633 --> 00:17:48,067 Except that was a tradition in our family, to get together. 243 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:52,167 But-- Well, she didn't seem to mind. She never objected. 244 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,233 [ Sighs ] So I called her about 1:00 on-- 245 00:17:55,267 --> 00:17:58,500 She didn't feel good that week. She still didn't go to work. 246 00:17:58,533 --> 00:18:02,733 So I said, "I guess I could come down, but I don't know what I can do." 247 00:18:08,233 --> 00:18:10,400 [ Christina ] Lisa was so quiet... 248 00:18:10,433 --> 00:18:12,800 and oftentimes had this-- 249 00:18:12,833 --> 00:18:15,733 I don't know how you'd say-- A poker face, or-- 250 00:18:15,767 --> 00:18:18,167 She kept her feelings to herself. 251 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,767 She wasn't one to, you know, get all emotional, which surprised me. 252 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,300 'Cause I look back now at Muir Woods. 253 00:18:26,333 --> 00:18:28,300 We were walking down the little trail... 254 00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:31,167 and there was this huge redwood tree... 255 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,400 lying in the middle of the path, 256 00:18:33,433 --> 00:18:36,367 and she looked at it and she goes, "Wow! Look at that!" 257 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,400 Sounds like no big deal, but for Lisa that was like-- 258 00:18:40,433 --> 00:18:42,167 that was different. 259 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,433 And then she came home-- [ Clears Throat ] 260 00:18:44,467 --> 00:18:48,400 I guess she was hungry, and she asked a girl there, "Did you fix dinner?" 261 00:18:48,433 --> 00:18:50,133 And they said, "No." 262 00:18:50,167 --> 00:18:52,367 So then they said she was very quiet. 263 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,400 She got in the freezer, took something out and fixed it herself. 264 00:18:56,433 --> 00:18:58,800 And after she had eaten-- 265 00:18:58,833 --> 00:19:01,600 they said she was very quiet when she was eating-- 266 00:19:01,633 --> 00:19:04,633 she got up and took her purse and her jacket... 267 00:19:04,667 --> 00:19:06,700 and off she went. 268 00:19:06,733 --> 00:19:08,733 And that's the last they saw her. 269 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,100 [ Mrs. Figueroa ] We were taking pictures of each other. 270 00:19:20,133 --> 00:19:22,100 I was taking pictures to them, 271 00:19:22,133 --> 00:19:24,433 and Paolo was taking pictures to us. 272 00:19:24,467 --> 00:19:26,667 And they were playing. 273 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:29,067 Uh-- And I got scared. 274 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:33,233 He was holding the baby, and we were walking, and, uh-- 275 00:19:33,267 --> 00:19:35,667 Then we saw that lady. 276 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:38,767 The lady just put the-- The bag on the ground. 277 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,767 [ Boy ] And she jumped off. 278 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,067 [ Mrs. Figueroa ] And I said, "She jumped! She jumped!" 279 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:48,233 And I was like-- [ Boy ] And she told my brother to go call the cops. 280 00:19:48,267 --> 00:19:52,633 [ Mrs. Figueroa ] Paolo went running down to get some help... 281 00:19:52,667 --> 00:19:54,767 because I wanted somebody to help her... 282 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:00,433 because for us, it was the first time to see somebody jump off the bridge. 283 00:20:00,467 --> 00:20:02,633 [ Speaks Spanish ] 284 00:20:02,667 --> 00:20:07,500 And before she jump, she look at me and Vidal and he was laughing. 285 00:20:07,533 --> 00:20:11,400 She laughed, like a smile, like, "You don't know what I'm gonna do, but"-- 286 00:20:11,433 --> 00:20:14,533 She smile and jump and, uh-- 287 00:20:14,567 --> 00:20:18,367 Like, she-- she-- sh-she was acting like-- 288 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,267 like a gorilla or something. 289 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:22,433 ¡Ay, Sebastián! 290 00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:24,500 [ Mrs. Figueroa ] No, that's not-- [ Laughs ] 291 00:20:24,533 --> 00:20:27,467 He likes to make things up. 292 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:40,367 [ Lyle ] I'm not 100% convinced that she did commit suicide. 293 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,400 Um, I don't know if someone had accompanied her to the Golden Gate Bridge... 294 00:20:44,433 --> 00:20:47,100 and had encouraged her to jump. 295 00:20:47,133 --> 00:20:52,600 I don't know if someone had been pressuring her to go to the Golden Gate Bridge and jump. 296 00:20:52,633 --> 00:20:57,167 And certainly it is a highly risky, 297 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,500 rather glorious, uh, way... 298 00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:03,633 to draw attention to oneself. 299 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:10,367 [ Tara ] My brother's very religious. 300 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,333 He doesn't believe she committed suicide. 301 00:21:12,367 --> 00:21:14,400 He thinks it's something else. 302 00:21:14,433 --> 00:21:16,600 I don't know what he thinks. I didn't know that. 303 00:21:16,633 --> 00:21:19,333 Well, he won't call it that because... 304 00:21:19,367 --> 00:21:22,033 it's a sin to commit suicide in his mind, 305 00:21:22,067 --> 00:21:24,500 and that's not what she did. 306 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:27,533 She fell or something. I don't know what he-- 307 00:21:27,567 --> 00:21:31,100 He's coming up with different justifications, so-- 308 00:21:31,133 --> 00:21:34,333 He doesn't talk to me like that, so-- 309 00:21:34,367 --> 00:21:38,667 [ Tara ] Thing is, if you go stand on that bridge and look down, 310 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:44,100 the amount of guts that you have to have to stick anything over that rail-- 311 00:21:44,133 --> 00:21:47,467 It must have been incredible, the pressure on her. 312 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:50,533 It had to be worse than the thought of doing that. 313 00:21:50,567 --> 00:21:54,633 And I've always thought of myself as a stronger person than her, 314 00:21:54,667 --> 00:21:57,167 and there's no way I would have the guts to do that, 315 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,067 even with a parachute or something. 316 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:04,400 And for her to just do it and just like that, it was like-- 317 00:22:04,433 --> 00:22:06,767 We still can't-- I still can't believe it. 318 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,467 My family, my husband, my kids, we're like, 319 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,100 "How did she even think about doing that?" 320 00:22:13,133 --> 00:22:17,033 It was a relief. A relief for her. 321 00:22:17,067 --> 00:22:21,800 Because she knew that she probably never would be physically well again, 322 00:22:21,833 --> 00:22:24,467 and she knew she had the mental illness. 323 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,800 And she was just at the end of her rope. 324 00:22:27,833 --> 00:22:31,033 There were too many things. So-- 325 00:22:31,067 --> 00:22:34,667 Yeah, I agree with that-- She's in a better place. That's all I can say. 326 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:38,367 You have to look at it that way. You know? 327 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,033 ** [ Piano: Mid-tempo Ballad ] 328 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:57,600 [ Man ] * In this darkest hour 329 00:22:57,633 --> 00:23:02,000 * A brave face will break soon * 330 00:23:06,467 --> 00:23:10,200 * The world waits for you * 331 00:23:12,667 --> 00:23:16,467 ** [ Continues ] [ Man ] I'd try and relive, you know, when doing something-- 332 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,467 say, "This is something Philip likes," 333 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:21,267 or "My son would like this." 334 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,633 He's still there with me, you know, 335 00:23:24,667 --> 00:23:27,433 if I go somewhere, a ball game or somethin'. 336 00:23:27,467 --> 00:23:29,300 He's there. 337 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:33,400 And, um, 338 00:23:33,433 --> 00:23:36,533 I think I'm getting more of an understanding... 339 00:23:36,567 --> 00:23:39,600 of what he went through toward the end. 340 00:23:39,633 --> 00:23:41,700 'Cause you feel the same way. 341 00:23:41,733 --> 00:23:45,700 It's just, you know, what makes any of us go over that line? 342 00:23:45,733 --> 00:23:48,533 [ Stammers ] It's just-- 343 00:23:50,433 --> 00:23:52,633 Some days you-- you think like that yourself. 344 00:23:52,667 --> 00:23:55,667 It's just, he thought about it every day. 345 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,433 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 346 00:24:00,833 --> 00:24:02,767 [ Mary ] What makes a person... 347 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,333 be able to do that? 348 00:24:05,367 --> 00:24:08,367 I don't know. I don't have the answer to that. 349 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,733 [ Wally ] Well, it's-- It's like any pain. 350 00:24:10,767 --> 00:24:14,433 When it becomes unbearable, you'll do anything. 351 00:24:14,467 --> 00:24:16,767 It's like physical cancer. [ Mary ] Yeah, I can't-- Yeah. 352 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,400 If you have cancer of the-- of the mind, 353 00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:22,700 you know, nobody knows what you're going through. 354 00:24:22,733 --> 00:24:25,000 [ Foghorn Blowing ] 355 00:24:28,633 --> 00:24:32,267 [ Mary ] I mean, it was like our hands being tied. 356 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,433 No matter how much we talked to him-- 357 00:24:35,467 --> 00:24:38,167 I mean, he was in and out of the hospital. 358 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,333 The doctors talked to him and... 359 00:24:41,367 --> 00:24:44,733 it was like nothing would change his mind. 360 00:24:47,533 --> 00:24:51,367 [ Mary ] In fact, I think the medicines made him worse. 361 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,633 [ Wally ] We thought, you know, if we can get him through his episodes-- 362 00:24:54,667 --> 00:24:56,533 But that's the crazy thing. 363 00:24:56,567 --> 00:24:59,367 As soon as you get somebody strong enough, 364 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,600 that's when they have the courage. 365 00:25:04,233 --> 00:25:07,100 So, do you make 'em well or do you keep 'em sick? 366 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:10,300 Uh-- 367 00:25:12,333 --> 00:25:14,300 [ Wally ] He tried it a few times, 368 00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:16,400 but his second attempt, he said, 369 00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:19,767 "My third attempt is not gonna fail. I'll make sure of it." 370 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:26,733 He researched it and found the Golden Gate Bridge on the Internet. 371 00:25:26,767 --> 00:25:29,333 He said to him it was the best way. 372 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:33,133 It was planned out for months, 373 00:25:33,167 --> 00:25:37,167 and then the final two weeks he was making his last preparations. 374 00:25:39,567 --> 00:25:44,033 He said whether some people believe suicide is a sin or not-- 375 00:25:44,067 --> 00:25:45,467 He asked that a lot. 376 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,333 I said, "It's something man made up." 377 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,400 Um, at least he thanked me for telling him the truth. 378 00:25:55,433 --> 00:25:58,767 Just-- You know, I don't know. 379 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,200 You know, I don't think God's gonna hold you responsible... 380 00:26:02,233 --> 00:26:04,800 for something you can't handle. 381 00:26:04,833 --> 00:26:08,700 And he said, "Well, whether I come back or not, you know, 382 00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:10,733 if I do, I'll see you again, Dad. 383 00:26:10,767 --> 00:26:13,467 If not, just know that I'm at peace." 384 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,700 What I'm trying to say is, I didn't want him to feel... 385 00:26:27,733 --> 00:26:30,400 like he was in a cage inside of himself. 386 00:26:30,433 --> 00:26:33,133 Some people say their body's a temple. 387 00:26:33,167 --> 00:26:35,433 He thought his body was a prison. 388 00:26:35,467 --> 00:26:38,500 In his mind he knew he was loved. 389 00:26:38,533 --> 00:26:41,467 He knew he had everything, could do anything, 390 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,767 and yet... he felt trapped. 391 00:26:45,467 --> 00:26:47,367 That was the only way he could get free. 392 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,767 [ Truck Blowing Horn ] 393 00:27:05,133 --> 00:27:08,100 [ Man ] Gene was very overly dramatic. 394 00:27:08,133 --> 00:27:09,633 [ Woman ] Even the simplest things... 395 00:27:09,667 --> 00:27:12,667 were very long and drawn out and very hard. 396 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:15,533 He would always say things like, "Kill me now." 397 00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,567 You would be talking about something... 398 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,167 and ask him, "What do you want for breakfast?" 399 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,767 "Oh, I don't care. Just kill me." 400 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,367 "Okay, well, where do you want to go look for a job today?" 401 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,300 "I don't care. It's not gonna matter. Just kill me." 402 00:27:27,333 --> 00:27:29,567 "Might be easier if you'd just kill me." 403 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,567 You didn't take him serious if he said certain things, 404 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,533 because he would almost say it in a joking manner. 405 00:27:34,567 --> 00:27:38,233 He wouldn't say it with this intensity of, 406 00:27:38,267 --> 00:27:41,400 you know, like, "I'm gonna do it this time!" 407 00:27:41,433 --> 00:27:44,433 He wasn't that person. He would make light of it. 408 00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:47,767 "Man, I'm gonna commit suicide. I'm gonna just shoot myself. 409 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,467 I'm gonna do it with a bow and arrow." 410 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,467 And when he would say this stuff, we were just like, "Yeah, whatever." 411 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,200 And years and years and years would go by-- He's crying wolf. 412 00:28:00,833 --> 00:28:03,800 But he was still fun to be around. [ Laughing ] 413 00:28:03,833 --> 00:28:06,367 It sounds-- When I hear myself saying it, 414 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,533 it sounds like he wasn't fun. 415 00:28:08,567 --> 00:28:12,400 He was fun to be around, fun to go out with, go to clubs with and stuff. 416 00:28:12,433 --> 00:28:15,033 He would just get in those little funks, 417 00:28:15,067 --> 00:28:19,400 and pretty soon it was... just like I didn't even-- 418 00:28:19,433 --> 00:28:21,533 I didn't even pay it any attention. 419 00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:25,433 It was just something he said all the time, in every conversation. 420 00:28:27,267 --> 00:28:30,167 [ Tour Guide ] We ask everyone on board to take your seats... 421 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,700 as we go under the bridge. 422 00:28:31,733 --> 00:28:34,733 The swells and tides are very unpredictable. 423 00:28:36,167 --> 00:28:39,433 The Golden Gate Bridge is 1.7 miles long. 424 00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:43,267 The towers are 746 feet tall. 425 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:47,467 The roadway is suspended 220 feet above the water at center span. 426 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:51,600 [ Tour Guide ] The Golden Gate Bridge-- Thanks so much. 427 00:28:51,633 --> 00:28:54,767 is the most photographed man-made structure in North America... 428 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,000 and it is considered one of the seven wonders of the modern world. 429 00:29:01,367 --> 00:29:04,567 [ Wally ] We had gone to Montana, Glacier National Park, the year before. 430 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,767 Philip had a blast there. 431 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,800 We told him if he got out of the army in time, which he did, 432 00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:12,200 that we were going back there. 433 00:29:12,233 --> 00:29:16,233 They had those forest fires, and so we couldn't get in. 434 00:29:16,267 --> 00:29:19,600 I had been to San Francisco before, and I said, "You'll love it there." 435 00:29:19,633 --> 00:29:22,067 And the bridge fascinated him. 436 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:25,100 For some reason, yeah, while we were driving across the bridge, 437 00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:27,733 he just kept looking around. 438 00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:30,600 I just thought it was kind of odd, you know, that he would be-- 439 00:29:30,633 --> 00:29:32,667 And he wanted to get out. 440 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:35,267 He says, "Can we walk along the bridge?" 441 00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:38,600 I says, "I guess there are people who can walk along the bridge." 442 00:29:38,633 --> 00:29:41,133 [ Wally ] We were on a tour bus. [ Mary ] Yeah. 443 00:29:41,167 --> 00:29:44,067 I says, "But we can't get out now." 444 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,133 Um, he just, like, kept looking out the window... 445 00:29:47,167 --> 00:29:50,333 like he wanted to get out and just look around. 446 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,633 He thought it was just so beautiful. 447 00:29:56,667 --> 00:29:58,800 Well, we did get out of the bus, 448 00:29:58,833 --> 00:30:01,133 and he wanted his picture taken a few times... 449 00:30:01,167 --> 00:30:04,533 with the bridge in the background. 450 00:30:04,567 --> 00:30:06,200 [ Wally ] He'd ask questions. 451 00:30:06,233 --> 00:30:09,233 How deep do you think it is? How high do you think it is? 452 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:15,367 I mean, I liked the bridge too, but-- 453 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,733 I mean, he just seemed so fascinated by it, and I just-- 454 00:30:18,767 --> 00:30:21,133 just thought that was kinda odd... 455 00:30:21,167 --> 00:30:23,767 to have such a fascination with it. 456 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,567 I don't know. It was like almost calling him, you know, type thing. 457 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,600 It was... like magnetic to him. 458 00:30:30,633 --> 00:30:32,333 Yeah. 459 00:30:33,767 --> 00:30:35,567 I don't know. 460 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,633 [ Wally ] We thought he might go and live out there. 461 00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:45,267 Even if he's homeless, at least he has a city he loves. 462 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,367 'Cause he was homeless in Texas. Lived out of his car. 463 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,433 Met two girls online. 464 00:30:50,467 --> 00:30:54,067 Went down twice. Those didn't work. 465 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:58,033 [ Mary ] He always fell in love with the wrong person. 466 00:30:58,067 --> 00:31:00,667 I think everything just disillusioned him. 467 00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,633 He had this idealistic view of things... 468 00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:09,700 and this perception of how everything should be, 469 00:31:09,733 --> 00:31:12,633 and then when it didn't meet up to his expectations-- 470 00:31:14,233 --> 00:31:17,433 After a while it was like, "What's the point then?" 471 00:31:20,167 --> 00:31:22,533 [ Wally ] But he still had to make a choice. 472 00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:26,600 [ Splash ] 473 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,700 [ Caroline ] Gene's choice, his preference, had been made years before. 474 00:31:34,733 --> 00:31:37,600 He became increasingly alienated... 475 00:31:37,633 --> 00:31:42,167 and he had told his mother that he wanted to kill himself, 476 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,567 and she, in essence, had told him, 477 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,600 I didn't invest a lifetime in you... 478 00:31:46,633 --> 00:31:49,500 to have you die on me, 479 00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:51,767 kill yourself and walk away. 480 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,467 You don't have a right to do that while I'm alive. 481 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:01,200 [ Caroline ] And I think it was very hard for him... 482 00:32:01,233 --> 00:32:04,033 to watch his mother's... 483 00:32:04,067 --> 00:32:07,333 nonparticipation in a battle with cancer... 484 00:32:07,367 --> 00:32:09,767 that she might have won. 485 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,633 Uh, it was a choice on her part. 486 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,733 [ Dave ] When I talked to him, 487 00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:20,533 he was acting as if, "life goes on," you know, type situation. 488 00:32:20,567 --> 00:32:22,733 And, you know, and... 489 00:32:22,767 --> 00:32:25,467 I would always tell him, I'm here for you. 490 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,333 You still got family, no matter what, you know. 491 00:32:28,367 --> 00:32:30,733 I'm a brother from another mother. 492 00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:34,500 He said to me, after she was gone-- 493 00:32:34,533 --> 00:32:37,733 and there was a lot of stuff to clean up-- 494 00:32:37,767 --> 00:32:40,800 and he said, "Well, now I can finally-- 495 00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:44,367 um, now I can finally end it all." 496 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,767 And I looked at him and I said, "Well, you will promise me... 497 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,233 that you will not go without saying good-bye." 498 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,400 [ Wally ] I remember coming home-- 499 00:33:04,433 --> 00:33:06,433 'Cause Thursday night's garbage day... 500 00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:08,467 and Friday's recycling day. 501 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,433 And Philip even did that before he left-- 502 00:33:11,467 --> 00:33:14,500 he took the recycling things out to the curb. 503 00:33:14,533 --> 00:33:18,167 I came home that Friday and they were empty, 504 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,733 and I said, "It's unusual for him not to bring the buckets back in." 505 00:33:23,067 --> 00:33:25,233 And when I came in the house... 506 00:33:25,267 --> 00:33:27,467 as soon as she said, "Where's Philip? Isn't he with you?" 507 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,033 And I was like, "He did it." 508 00:33:30,067 --> 00:33:31,433 I knew. 509 00:33:33,833 --> 00:33:38,167 And here's th-th-the hard part for me. 510 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,100 I had a feeling it was going to be in San Francisco, 511 00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:44,033 but I said, If he's in San Francisco... 512 00:33:44,067 --> 00:33:49,133 and I call the police to stop him, if I have time yet, 513 00:33:49,167 --> 00:33:51,233 that he's just gonna hang himself... 514 00:33:51,267 --> 00:33:53,267 or have the policemen shoot him. 515 00:33:54,833 --> 00:33:59,667 And I said, if he's that determined, I have to let him go. 516 00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:03,533 But when she asked me I said, "No, he's not coming home." 517 00:34:03,567 --> 00:34:06,433 And, uh, from the death certificate... 518 00:34:06,467 --> 00:34:09,200 he was already done. 519 00:34:09,233 --> 00:34:12,333 It was just waiting for the policemen to show up at the door. 520 00:34:29,167 --> 00:34:32,800 [ Man ] We just came around the corner after snapping the shot... 521 00:34:32,833 --> 00:34:36,433 with San Francisco in the backdrop, and he was right there. 522 00:34:36,467 --> 00:34:39,600 [ Man #2 ] Yeah, sort of surprised him. Yeah, we startled him. 523 00:34:39,633 --> 00:34:41,367 [ Man #2 ] Came upon him-- 524 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,600 [ Man #1 ] He was taking off his backpack... 525 00:34:43,633 --> 00:34:46,200 In hindsight, he was probably getting ready to jump. 526 00:34:46,233 --> 00:34:48,633 Then he put back his backpack on really quickly... 527 00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:50,433 and acted nervous. 528 00:34:50,467 --> 00:34:52,767 We interrupted him from jumping. 529 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,133 [ Stammers ] 530 00:34:56,167 --> 00:34:57,667 You spoke with him, 531 00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:00,100 'cause you noticed something odd. 532 00:35:00,133 --> 00:35:02,133 Yeah, just his whole body language, 533 00:35:02,167 --> 00:35:04,600 his whole energy was-- was just a bit off. 534 00:35:04,633 --> 00:35:08,433 He was definitely nervous and he was shuffling his shoulder. 535 00:35:08,467 --> 00:35:11,467 I initially picked up on that and said, 536 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,267 "Are you okay? Wh-What's going on?" 537 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:18,267 And, uh, at that point, he, uh-- he made brief eye contact. 538 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,100 Well-dressed guy. Yeah. 539 00:35:20,133 --> 00:35:22,533 Brief eye contact too. He was very nervous. 540 00:35:22,567 --> 00:35:25,100 He wouldn't look you in the eye for very long. 541 00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:28,200 He just kept darting away, looking away. 542 00:35:28,233 --> 00:35:32,667 And his biggest concern, when you asked him, "Are you all right?" 543 00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:36,267 Uh, he said, "It's a long way down to the water." 544 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,300 Yeah, he said, "It's a long way down." "Long way down." Right. 545 00:35:39,333 --> 00:35:44,733 I, uh-- I didn't know how to quite take that when I heard him say that. 546 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:47,167 And I didn't know if I'd heard him correctly. 547 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,133 I thought maybe he meant it's a long way back to the other side of the bridge, 548 00:35:50,167 --> 00:35:53,500 and here I am thinking, "You're three-quarters of the way. You're close." 549 00:35:53,533 --> 00:35:56,133 And of course that wasn't the case. 550 00:35:56,167 --> 00:35:59,200 And we didn't see him jump. Did not see him jump. 551 00:36:04,533 --> 00:36:06,533 [ Loud Splash ] 552 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,300 [ Wally ] To me he said he was just gonna go down so deep... 553 00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:19,500 that even if he changed his mind he couldn't swim to the top, 554 00:36:19,533 --> 00:36:23,167 but the coroner said it was over instantly. 555 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,233 [ Mary ] Boy, imagine what this looks like to people. 556 00:36:33,267 --> 00:36:36,267 They probably look at us and say, what kind of mother and father were they? 557 00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:37,700 [ Wally ] Yeah. 558 00:36:37,733 --> 00:36:40,433 I wasn't perfect, 559 00:36:40,467 --> 00:36:43,600 but, I mean, I don't think I was such a terrible mother. 560 00:36:47,133 --> 00:36:50,567 And then I remember Sharon said to me, 561 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,233 "You know, it's not all about you. 562 00:36:53,267 --> 00:36:55,467 It has nothing to do with you." 563 00:36:59,367 --> 00:37:02,600 Yeah, I mean, I was raised in a family that's "dysfunctional"-- 564 00:37:02,633 --> 00:37:04,433 I mean, yeah. So was I. 565 00:37:04,467 --> 00:37:07,033 My father was alcoholic. Hers was alcoholic. 566 00:37:07,067 --> 00:37:11,067 They fought like cats and dogs, you know, and... the abuse and-- 567 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,633 Yeah, I should be an alcoholic. I should be a serial killer. 568 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,367 You think you're raising your family to be, you know, religious or whatever, 569 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,467 and you try and do the best, 570 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,233 but you wind up doing more things that are harmful. 571 00:37:26,267 --> 00:37:29,467 And then when you try and fix them, it might be too late. 572 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:34,700 And it's like, well, no matter what you do, good or bad, 573 00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:36,733 it's, you know-- things are gonna happen. 574 00:37:39,167 --> 00:37:43,367 And he said, "If you and Mom, who I love, you know, are having problems, 575 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,200 what hope is there for me? 576 00:37:46,233 --> 00:37:49,533 I think you loved me the most and tried your best, 577 00:37:49,567 --> 00:37:52,133 and if you're having problems, 578 00:37:52,167 --> 00:37:54,767 you know, there's no way I can make it." 579 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,767 Yeah. 580 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,133 Took a lot of pictures while he was on the bridge. Yeah. 581 00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:15,167 He wanted to show what he was seeing, 582 00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,067 what he was feeling. 583 00:40:32,633 --> 00:40:36,333 [ Man ] I was taking pictures of Alcatraz at the time. 584 00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:40,633 While I was taking a picture I saw, out of the corner of my eye, a girl walking by. 585 00:40:40,667 --> 00:40:43,200 She climbed over the rail, 586 00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:46,600 and she did it so smoothly it was almost like she was going to a little-- 587 00:40:46,633 --> 00:40:49,233 like she had her own little clubhouse, 588 00:40:49,267 --> 00:40:52,467 I don't know, like she was going to sit on the ledge to eat lunch. 589 00:40:55,633 --> 00:40:59,633 So I got a couple pictures of her climbing over, 590 00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:02,567 and then I started taking pictures of her standing on the ledge... 591 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,333 and I realized that this girl was about to jump. 592 00:41:06,367 --> 00:41:08,500 But when I was behind the camera... 593 00:41:08,533 --> 00:41:10,500 it was almost like it wasn't real... 594 00:41:10,533 --> 00:41:13,200 'cause I was looking through the lens. 595 00:41:14,367 --> 00:41:16,467 I was actually, like-- 596 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:20,200 I guess I was waiting for her to jump, 'cause I thought there was nothing I could do. 597 00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:21,600 It was too late. 598 00:41:26,167 --> 00:41:29,100 Earlier I was actually staring down at the ledge... 599 00:41:29,133 --> 00:41:31,633 at a couple different points on the bridge, 600 00:41:31,667 --> 00:41:35,467 and I was just trying to think to myself what goes through peoples' minds... 601 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:38,367 whenever they're standing on that ledge and they're about to jump off. 602 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,167 What's the last thing that they're thinking of? 603 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,233 Or are they thinking anything at all? 604 00:41:43,267 --> 00:41:46,467 They just-- They just had enough and they just go and... 605 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:48,367 that's it, they're gone. 606 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,333 I started yelling out to the girl, you know, asking her what was wrong. 607 00:42:00,367 --> 00:42:03,500 She seemed to be speaking in a different language... 608 00:42:03,533 --> 00:42:05,567 and basically, like, tuning me out, 609 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,367 like, thoroughly not thinking about what I was saying. 610 00:42:09,833 --> 00:42:12,667 So I got up on the rail... 611 00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:14,667 and I reached out-- 612 00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,100 I really didn't know I was gonna be able to grab the back of her jacket, 613 00:42:18,133 --> 00:42:21,800 but once I grabbed it I just lifted her over the rail... 614 00:42:21,833 --> 00:42:23,800 and got her down on the ground. 615 00:42:23,833 --> 00:42:26,400 She started to fight me a little bit, 616 00:42:26,433 --> 00:42:30,700 so I just sat on her chest and just called 911. 617 00:42:30,733 --> 00:42:33,500 They were probably there within a couple minutes. 618 00:42:39,367 --> 00:42:41,367 As crazy as it sounds, 619 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,367 I think of myself like a National Geographic photographer must feel. 620 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,167 He's behind the camera filming, 621 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,800 and there's like a big tiger running at him, 622 00:42:50,833 --> 00:42:55,533 and he's, like, this footage is so great he forgets that, you know, 623 00:42:55,567 --> 00:42:59,233 in a couple seconds that tiger's gonna be on top of him. 624 00:42:59,267 --> 00:43:02,467 But it's like you're in that camera, you're just behind, 625 00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,267 and you don't really think about what's going on. 626 00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,367 That's where I had to separate, 627 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,533 or I actually had to get out of that mode of thinking... 628 00:43:10,567 --> 00:43:14,267 and actually act on it and do something to help her. 629 00:43:17,467 --> 00:43:19,433 After I left the bridge patrol, 630 00:43:19,467 --> 00:43:21,767 I was going back to my vehicle... 631 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,567 and I happened to look over, and it kinda looked like she'd turned back... 632 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,100 and she looked right at me. 633 00:43:28,133 --> 00:43:30,033 And it freaked me out for a second. 634 00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:34,333 I just didn't expect her to, like, look back. 635 00:43:34,367 --> 00:43:37,433 I don't know if she actually saw me... 636 00:43:37,467 --> 00:43:41,233 and was thinking, like, "You son of a bitch, I wanted to jump," 637 00:43:41,267 --> 00:43:46,467 or whatever it was that, uh-- that she was thinking. 638 00:43:50,633 --> 00:43:54,333 I'm sure that in some way she did want to be rescued... 639 00:43:54,367 --> 00:43:58,300 because if she really wanted to commit suicide... 640 00:43:58,333 --> 00:44:03,700 and just take that, basically, ultimate shortcut to the next level, 641 00:44:03,733 --> 00:44:07,800 that she would have just climbed over and just jumped right off. 642 00:44:07,833 --> 00:44:12,567 So I-I think that she was sort of crying out for help there a little bit. 643 00:44:13,667 --> 00:44:15,767 The police did tell me... 644 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,733 that she was involved in another incident on the bridge... 645 00:44:18,767 --> 00:44:21,600 and they talked her out of it. 646 00:44:21,633 --> 00:44:24,567 And I just hope that she's doing okay. 647 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,467 [ Police Radio Chatter ] 648 00:45:00,733 --> 00:45:03,800 [ Jen ] Gene had a lot riding on this relationship. 649 00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:06,067 He wanted to get out of California, 650 00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:08,567 and he felt that it was gonna be like a new beginning. 651 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,533 I think he had-- 652 00:45:11,567 --> 00:45:15,367 he had it planned out in his head how it was gonna happen, 653 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,533 and then when he got there the reality wasn't quite what was in his head. 654 00:45:19,567 --> 00:45:22,400 Yeah, he-he-- I think he was chasing... 655 00:45:22,433 --> 00:45:27,133 a certain magical wonderland that would make all his problems go away... 656 00:45:27,167 --> 00:45:31,033 and making excuses as to why he couldn't find it here, 657 00:45:31,067 --> 00:45:33,067 expecting to find it somewhere else. 658 00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,467 He just wanted to make it happen so bad, 659 00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,133 and that's why he went to St. Louis. 660 00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:43,433 [ Caroline ] Only love-- really love-- 661 00:45:43,467 --> 00:45:46,567 feeling like he was loved and in love... 662 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,200 was gonna save him. 663 00:45:51,567 --> 00:45:54,700 And who's to say that this is not a genetic thing? 664 00:45:54,733 --> 00:45:58,700 Who's to say that wasn't the reason his mother chose to have this child? 665 00:45:58,733 --> 00:46:01,267 Because she too was depressed... 666 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:06,433 and knew that she could keep herself here and functional... 667 00:46:06,467 --> 00:46:08,700 if she had a commitment. 668 00:46:08,733 --> 00:46:12,267 And how do we know that it wasn't, 669 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:16,033 at some... inner level, 670 00:46:16,067 --> 00:46:19,267 that he perceived this, very young, 671 00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:22,200 and that it colored his needs... 672 00:46:22,233 --> 00:46:24,400 to have someone... 673 00:46:24,433 --> 00:46:26,567 depend on him? 674 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,200 I don't know. 675 00:46:39,233 --> 00:46:41,533 [ Children Shouting ] 676 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,600 [ Whistle Blows ] 677 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,000 [ Whistle Blows ] 678 00:47:06,533 --> 00:47:08,433 [ Man ] The ideas of suicide, 679 00:47:08,467 --> 00:47:10,800 if I'm completely honest with myself, 680 00:47:10,833 --> 00:47:13,033 have been there for a long, long time. 681 00:47:13,067 --> 00:47:16,267 Years. Way before I was diagnosed. 682 00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:18,800 But I was just touching on it, like, you know, 683 00:47:18,833 --> 00:47:20,533 "Oh, I'd just kill myself." 684 00:47:20,567 --> 00:47:23,133 But the real thought process... 685 00:47:23,167 --> 00:47:27,367 of actually going to do it and commit the act... 686 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,133 started, I'd say, about '99, 687 00:47:31,167 --> 00:47:33,800 and that's when I cut my wrist. 688 00:47:33,833 --> 00:47:38,333 At the end of his junior year in high school he had huge mood swings, 689 00:47:38,367 --> 00:47:41,700 and during his senior year, 690 00:47:41,733 --> 00:47:45,433 they-- they were just, uh, compelling. 691 00:47:45,467 --> 00:47:49,767 I mean, he was constantly either very high or very low. 692 00:47:50,667 --> 00:47:52,400 That was really a fight. 693 00:47:52,433 --> 00:47:54,367 That's when Kevin was at his worst. 694 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,133 There were times where he couldn't even speak, 695 00:47:57,167 --> 00:48:00,333 and there were times where he wouldn't stop speaking. 696 00:48:00,367 --> 00:48:02,267 I was hallucinating, 697 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:07,467 and I had made the assumption that, uh, 698 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,067 there were bugs in my bed and stuff, 699 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:13,733 and they were, like, giving me AIDS and stuff like that. 700 00:48:13,767 --> 00:48:16,433 And I was just completely off the wall. 701 00:48:16,467 --> 00:48:20,133 [ Stammers ] I hadn't been sexually active for years, 702 00:48:20,167 --> 00:48:22,233 yet I thought I had AIDS. 703 00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:25,800 And it was like, uh-- It was all in my head. 704 00:48:25,833 --> 00:48:31,067 And I sprayed my bedsheets with a disinfectant, 705 00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:34,700 like a deodorizer, something like that, but I sprayed my bedsheets. 706 00:48:34,733 --> 00:48:37,667 You know, I sleep in that and I inhaled it all night long, 707 00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:40,633 which caused the hallucinations to become greater and greater. 708 00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:42,800 And so I got up out of bed, 709 00:48:42,833 --> 00:48:44,333 sat at my desk, 710 00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:47,100 and I wrote about-- 711 00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:50,633 I must have written five versions of my suicide letter... 712 00:48:50,667 --> 00:48:53,567 until I realized, "These are mean. I can't write 'em like this." 713 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,733 So I wrote a real nice one, or something I thought was nice. 714 00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:58,367 I mean, it's a suicide letter, you know? So-- 715 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,167 And I guess it said something like... 716 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,733 "Mom, you're not always right. Don't think you are. But I love you. 717 00:49:06,767 --> 00:49:09,800 Dad, stop being so mean. You're hurting people." 718 00:49:09,833 --> 00:49:12,167 He had a terrible episode, 719 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,667 and there was no comment with regard to suicide. 720 00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:24,367 It was a commentary with regard to hearing voices... 721 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,700 and difficulty remaining, uh, under control. 722 00:49:30,733 --> 00:49:36,367 And I called his psychiatrist the Sunday night prior... 723 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,733 and had a conversation with him, and the psychiatrist told me, "No, don't worry about it. 724 00:49:40,767 --> 00:49:43,333 Everything is gonna be fine." 725 00:49:43,367 --> 00:49:46,733 Then Kevin and I stayed up and we chatted about it, 726 00:49:46,767 --> 00:49:51,467 and he seemed to be fine, almost completely calmed. 727 00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,667 Our conversations go like this when he's mad at me. 728 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,733 He tells me to sit down in my chair, 729 00:49:56,767 --> 00:49:59,033 and he basically yells at me. 730 00:49:59,067 --> 00:50:02,200 So I, uh-- [ Chuckles ] 731 00:50:03,333 --> 00:50:04,733 I told him that I don't wanna-- 732 00:50:04,767 --> 00:50:06,500 What'd I say? I said, uh-- 733 00:50:08,567 --> 00:50:10,500 "I don't want to hurt anybody anymore. 734 00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:12,600 I have to go away." Or something like that. 735 00:50:12,633 --> 00:50:15,700 And he said, "You have an obligation to stay here for your family. 736 00:50:15,733 --> 00:50:18,633 You have an obligation to me, who's raised you, 737 00:50:18,667 --> 00:50:20,333 given you everything you want. 738 00:50:20,367 --> 00:50:22,200 You have an obligation to live for your brother, your sister"-- 739 00:50:22,233 --> 00:50:24,100 But he was, you know, mad the whole time. 740 00:50:24,133 --> 00:50:26,733 So I said, "I'm not gonna do it, Dad. Don't worry. Don't worry." 741 00:50:26,767 --> 00:50:29,167 He was like, "Do I have to take you to the hospital?" 742 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,767 Stuff like that. I was like, "No, no. It's all right." 743 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,067 I said, "Let me just sleep on it and we'll talk about it in the morning, okay? 744 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,533 I'm really tired, Dad. I'm really tired." 745 00:50:36,567 --> 00:50:41,333 So he woke me up the next morning about 7:00, 746 00:50:41,367 --> 00:50:43,500 'cause I'd gotten maybe, like, two hours' sleep. 747 00:50:43,533 --> 00:50:48,167 And he woke me up and he said, "Hey, you're coming to work with me." 748 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,167 I said no. He said, "No, come on. 749 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,033 I'm worried about you. I'm really worried about you." 750 00:50:52,067 --> 00:50:54,233 I said, "Dad, I'm fine." 751 00:50:54,267 --> 00:50:56,400 The entire time, lying through my teeth, 752 00:50:56,433 --> 00:50:58,467 'cause I knew I was gonna go to the bridge and jump. 753 00:51:03,667 --> 00:51:07,067 [ Pat ] Said, "Listen, why don't I take the day off and we'll go do something." 754 00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,767 And he said, "Nope. I'd rather go to school." 755 00:51:12,433 --> 00:51:14,700 [ Kevin ] I kissed him good-bye on the cheek... 756 00:51:14,733 --> 00:51:17,800 and I was like, that's the last time I'm ever gonna kiss my dad good-bye. 757 00:51:17,833 --> 00:51:20,433 You know? I'll never see him again. 758 00:51:20,467 --> 00:51:23,233 And he'll never see me. 759 00:51:23,267 --> 00:51:26,567 And I went to my English class, dropped all my other classes. 760 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,067 I took the "K" out to the 28. Took the 29 out to the bridge. 761 00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:33,500 And the whole time I was just bawlin' my eyes out. 762 00:51:33,533 --> 00:51:36,133 Just crying. 763 00:51:36,167 --> 00:51:38,233 Talking to myself on the bus. You know, just-- 764 00:51:40,267 --> 00:51:42,200 I had stopped before I got on the 28. 765 00:51:42,233 --> 00:51:45,233 I had stopped at Walgreens, and I bought my last meal-- 766 00:51:45,267 --> 00:51:48,733 [ Chuckles ] Starburst and, uh, Skittles. 767 00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:54,467 And, uh, when I got to the bridge, 768 00:51:57,233 --> 00:51:59,767 found a place and I thought, all right, not too close to the pillar. 769 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,167 I won't hit the pillar. I'll just hit the water. 770 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,600 I'll either drown or I'll die on impact or I'll have a heart attack. 771 00:52:05,767 --> 00:52:09,133 So, I got there. 772 00:52:09,167 --> 00:52:12,300 Stood there for, like, 40 minutes at that spot, 773 00:52:12,333 --> 00:52:14,400 just crying my eyes out. 774 00:52:14,433 --> 00:52:16,333 Joggers, bikers, runners, tourists-- whatever-- 775 00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:19,500 running by or walking by, looking at me. 776 00:52:19,533 --> 00:52:21,233 Didn't say anything. 777 00:52:21,267 --> 00:52:24,567 It's not their problem, but anyway. 778 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,267 And this woman came up to me. She said, in a German accent-- I think it was a German accent. 779 00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:32,467 She said, "Will you take my picture?" 780 00:52:34,067 --> 00:52:35,700 I was like, "Your picture?" 781 00:52:35,733 --> 00:52:39,267 Woman, I'm gonna kill myself. What is wrong with you? 782 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,033 Can't you see the tears pouring down my face? 783 00:52:41,067 --> 00:52:44,500 But she couldn't. She was on her own hype. 784 00:52:44,533 --> 00:52:46,700 So I took the camera. I took her picture. 785 00:52:46,733 --> 00:52:49,033 Said, "Miss, have a nice day." 786 00:52:49,067 --> 00:52:52,400 Turned back to the traffic. Turned to the bay. 787 00:52:52,433 --> 00:52:55,333 Said, fuck it. Nobody cares. Pardon my French. 788 00:52:55,367 --> 00:52:57,433 And I hurtled over the bridge. 789 00:53:17,567 --> 00:53:19,800 [ Kevin ] See, what most people do, apparently, 790 00:53:19,833 --> 00:53:23,067 is they get on the ledge outside of the bridge, and they stand there. 791 00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:26,400 People can talk 'em out of it, you know? Or pull 'em up. Whatever. 792 00:53:26,433 --> 00:53:30,667 I didn't want anybody to talk me out of it. I just wanted to die. 793 00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:33,567 So I hurtled over the railing with my hands... 794 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,733 and I was falling headfirst, 795 00:53:35,767 --> 00:53:40,333 and the second my hands left the bar at the railing, 796 00:53:40,367 --> 00:53:43,367 I said, I don't want to die. What am I gonna do? 797 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,467 This is like-- This is it. I'm dead. 798 00:53:46,767 --> 00:53:49,800 So I said, well, maybe if I get feetfirst. 799 00:53:49,833 --> 00:53:51,800 Maybe. Maybe I'll live. 800 00:53:51,833 --> 00:53:53,333 So I thought, 801 00:53:54,833 --> 00:53:57,567 All right. It's worth a shot. 802 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,433 So my head was falling like this, and I pushed myself back somehow, 803 00:54:00,467 --> 00:54:03,500 and I landed, literally, like I was sitting down, kind of like-- 804 00:54:03,533 --> 00:54:07,033 maybe a little more elevated with the legs. 805 00:54:07,067 --> 00:54:10,533 And I hit with my feet... 806 00:54:10,567 --> 00:54:13,033 and I guess the water treaded through my boots a little bit, 807 00:54:13,067 --> 00:54:15,233 so maybe helped the impact. 808 00:54:15,267 --> 00:54:17,400 And the boots are pretty tough, so-- 809 00:54:17,433 --> 00:54:21,367 And I went down about, I'd say 50, 40-- 40, 50 feet. 810 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,033 Didn't know which way was up or down. 811 00:54:25,067 --> 00:54:27,233 I-- I was thinking, Am I still alive? 812 00:54:27,267 --> 00:54:29,467 'Cause it's like a four-to-seven second fall. 813 00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:34,633 It's like 120 miles per hour. 814 00:54:34,667 --> 00:54:37,467 It's like, uh-- I think that's like... 815 00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:39,200 seven seconds below terminal velocity, 816 00:54:39,233 --> 00:54:42,333 or like the velocity that downslope skiers get. 817 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,367 So, uh-- [ Stammers ] 818 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,467 I was awake. I was alive. 819 00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:54,333 I was swimming my butt off to get somewhere where there was air. 820 00:54:54,367 --> 00:54:56,233 So I reached the surface, I guess, 821 00:54:56,267 --> 00:54:59,100 because I saw some sort of light. 822 00:54:59,133 --> 00:55:03,100 I was screaming for help, and I couldn't really scream. My voice was gone. 823 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:05,367 I couldn't yell. I was like-- [ Whispering ] Help. 824 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,400 Help me. 825 00:55:07,433 --> 00:55:10,133 And... 826 00:55:10,167 --> 00:55:12,633 I felt something brush by my leg. 827 00:55:12,667 --> 00:55:17,433 I was like, Oh, great. I didn't die jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. 828 00:55:17,467 --> 00:55:19,567 A shark is going to eat me. 829 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,133 I was like, This is ridiculous. 830 00:55:22,167 --> 00:55:27,133 Uh, years later I found out-- Matter of fact, last year I found out it wasn't a shark. 831 00:55:27,167 --> 00:55:29,333 It was a seal circling me, and apparently it was... 832 00:55:29,367 --> 00:55:32,333 the only thing keeping me afloat. 833 00:55:32,367 --> 00:55:35,667 And you cannot tell me that wasn't God. 834 00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,767 'Cause that's what I believe, and that's what I'll believe till the day I die. 835 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,167 So-- 836 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,100 [ Pat ] I was sitting in my office, 837 00:56:04,133 --> 00:56:09,367 and, uh, my secretary said that, uh, 838 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,633 there's someone on the line for you from Marin General Hospital. 839 00:56:14,667 --> 00:56:17,433 I picked up the phone and a woman said, 840 00:56:17,467 --> 00:56:19,533 uh, "Is this Pat Hines?" 841 00:56:19,567 --> 00:56:21,333 And I said, "Yes." 842 00:56:21,367 --> 00:56:24,333 She said, "Your son has just jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge." 843 00:56:26,767 --> 00:56:29,233 I've lived here all my life. 844 00:56:29,267 --> 00:56:31,700 I know what that means. 845 00:56:31,733 --> 00:56:35,167 And I said, "Is he alive?" 846 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,033 And she said, "Oh, he is." 847 00:56:38,067 --> 00:56:40,667 And I thought... 848 00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:44,467 that they probably told me that just to keep me calm... 849 00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:47,733 so that I wouldn't wreck my car... 850 00:56:47,767 --> 00:56:50,700 driving over to see his mangled body. 851 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:07,600 [ Loud Splash ] 852 00:57:15,667 --> 00:57:19,167 [ Kevin ] I shattered my T12 and my L1, 853 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,067 which is my lower lumbar region, 854 00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:25,067 into very, very tiny little pieces, 855 00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:28,167 and the pieces went into my organs, 856 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,067 uh, but they missed my heart. 857 00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:33,200 At this point in time I still thought he would be dead, 858 00:57:33,233 --> 00:57:38,333 so I went up this gurney and I looked down, and he was wide awake. 859 00:57:38,367 --> 00:57:41,600 And he looked up at me and he said, "I'm sorry." 860 00:57:43,233 --> 00:57:47,067 And then he just closed his eyes and, uh-- 861 00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:49,300 I just stood there staring at him. 862 00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:51,333 And he was, by that point in time, in a coma. 863 00:57:53,633 --> 00:57:55,533 It was just super scary, you know? 864 00:57:55,567 --> 00:57:57,800 I mean, I can't-- I can't explain it. 865 00:57:57,833 --> 00:58:00,200 I mean-- 866 00:58:00,233 --> 00:58:02,033 To feel it would be like-- 867 00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:07,567 like feeling an alien jumping out of your body or something, you know? 868 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,667 Like your soul or whatever. 869 00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,133 'Cause it was ridiculous. Scary. 870 00:58:12,167 --> 00:58:14,733 Just really... wild. 871 00:58:16,367 --> 00:58:18,233 [ Chattering, Faint ] 872 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,167 [ Pat ] 2004 was a tough year for Kevin. 873 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,033 It hasn't been a cakewalk. 874 00:58:36,067 --> 00:58:40,467 Kevin's been visited by extreme mental illness... 875 00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:45,100 three times subsequent to his jump off the bridge. 876 00:58:45,133 --> 00:58:48,767 The most recent, he was confined for almost three months... 877 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,700 while he struggled and his doctors struggled... 878 00:58:52,733 --> 00:58:57,033 to get his bipolar bracketed in. 879 00:58:57,067 --> 00:59:00,733 And it's a matter of diet, it's a matter of consistency... 880 00:59:00,767 --> 00:59:03,367 and it's a matter of proper drug therapy. 881 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:10,100 Uh, Kevin will begin to make headway, 882 00:59:10,133 --> 00:59:11,667 his life will gain traction... 883 00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:14,567 and then he begins to get outside of the brackets... 884 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,267 into which he can function. 885 00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:22,067 And, unfortunately, it has taken three times now... 886 00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,333 outside-- in those outside areas-- 887 00:59:24,367 --> 00:59:27,700 to convince him-- prove to him, more importantly, 888 00:59:27,733 --> 00:59:29,567 that he can't go there. 889 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,100 And, unfortunately for Kevin, 890 00:59:33,133 --> 00:59:35,367 it's get up at 8:00 in the morning, 891 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,267 take your pills at 8:00, have lunch at noon, if you will, 892 00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,733 uh, dinner at 6:00, 893 00:59:42,767 --> 00:59:45,400 pills at 9:00, bed at 10:00. 894 00:59:45,433 --> 00:59:50,500 And that's a very, very difficult existence for a 24-year-old male... 895 00:59:50,533 --> 00:59:52,167 in this society. 896 01:00:00,733 --> 01:00:03,733 But I've told him, it's a wonderful disease to have, Kev, 897 01:00:03,767 --> 01:00:06,033 because you can control it. 898 01:00:06,067 --> 01:00:10,100 If you had cancer, you wouldn't have the same opportunity. 899 01:00:10,133 --> 01:00:13,267 Unlike cancer, Kevin, as long as you stay within these bands, 900 01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,333 you've got it, it doesn't have you. 901 01:00:15,367 --> 01:00:18,500 Funny my family members still think I haven't learned my lesson, 902 01:00:18,533 --> 01:00:21,533 but the lesson was learned a long time ago. 903 01:00:21,567 --> 01:00:24,133 And, you know, 904 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,567 it's hard when you keep messing up... 905 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,067 and nobody in your family believes in you anymore... 906 01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,267 or trusts you. 907 01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,767 Or they're scared you're gonna go attempt again... 908 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,100 and they're always worried, walking on eggshells when they talk to you. 909 01:00:44,433 --> 01:00:46,533 It sucks. 910 01:00:46,567 --> 01:00:49,467 'Cause I'm tired of that. I just want them to say, Hey, Kev, what's crackin', man? 911 01:00:51,367 --> 01:00:54,100 [ Stammers ] Just be real about it. 912 01:00:54,133 --> 01:00:56,467 Don't-- Don't walk on eggshells around me. 913 01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:59,100 I'm the same-- I'm the same guy. 914 01:00:59,133 --> 01:01:03,333 Just a... different soul. You know? 915 01:01:03,367 --> 01:01:04,733 Different ideals. 916 01:01:10,267 --> 01:01:12,567 [ Sighs ] 917 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,133 I just wanna... be normal again. [ Chuckles ] 918 01:01:16,167 --> 01:01:17,600 But I never will be. 919 01:01:56,533 --> 01:01:58,600 [ Man ] We started using crystal meth... 920 01:01:58,633 --> 01:02:00,733 and, you know, 921 01:02:00,767 --> 01:02:05,333 using crystal, everything started going down the toilet. 922 01:02:05,367 --> 01:02:07,233 She lost her job. I lost my job. 923 01:02:07,267 --> 01:02:10,167 Um, we ended up becoming homeless. 924 01:02:14,133 --> 01:02:17,767 She has a little easier time letting go of drugs than I do. 925 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,633 I have a very addictive personality. 926 01:02:20,667 --> 01:02:23,400 And, uh, 927 01:02:23,433 --> 01:02:27,267 just found out last week that she's been cheating on me again. 928 01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:29,067 [ Sniffles ] 929 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,200 So I picked up my son, I gave him a hug and a kiss and said good-bye, 930 01:02:38,233 --> 01:02:40,200 and told her to eff off. [ Sniffles ] 931 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,333 And then I found myself just walking toward the Golden Gate Bridge. 932 01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:50,233 I was crying the whole way. You know? 933 01:02:50,267 --> 01:02:52,300 [ Voice Cracking ] Although, only thing I kept saying... 934 01:02:52,333 --> 01:02:58,600 was, you know, As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death... 935 01:02:58,633 --> 01:03:02,067 I shall not fear a thing 'cause God's with me. [ Sniffles ] 936 01:03:04,667 --> 01:03:06,700 So when I got to the halfway point of the bridge, 937 01:03:06,733 --> 01:03:10,467 I set my book down and I jumped over onto the railing. 938 01:03:16,067 --> 01:03:19,400 And I just sat there, you know, crying and thinking for a little bit. 939 01:03:19,433 --> 01:03:22,433 And the cops showed up. 940 01:03:22,467 --> 01:03:26,667 I made the mistake of letting them get to know me too well. 941 01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:29,600 'Cause they completely used my son against me. 942 01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,733 [ Woman ] Actually, I came to the bridge last year at this time... 943 01:03:40,767 --> 01:03:42,500 to do the same thing, 944 01:03:42,533 --> 01:03:44,800 and so it's not a new idea, 945 01:03:44,833 --> 01:03:48,667 but kind of one that became a little obsessive, I suppose. 946 01:03:52,667 --> 01:03:54,567 I literally got here-- 947 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,200 Today I was on an airplane-- [ Laughs ] 948 01:03:57,233 --> 01:03:59,733 from Houston, Texas. 949 01:03:59,767 --> 01:04:04,333 What drew me to it in spite of having to do so much preparation... 950 01:04:04,367 --> 01:04:06,200 is that it is so accessible. 951 01:04:06,233 --> 01:04:09,233 Um, you just kind of hop over. 952 01:04:09,267 --> 01:04:12,067 But yeah, letting go, that's the tough part. 953 01:04:19,567 --> 01:04:21,633 I don't know if people think about that a lot-- 954 01:04:21,667 --> 01:04:24,333 like the process that a person goes through... 955 01:04:24,367 --> 01:04:27,300 in trying to decide how to end their life. 956 01:04:27,333 --> 01:04:31,033 It's like a search. It's like looking for a college to attend or something. 957 01:04:31,067 --> 01:04:32,733 You know, your pros and cons. 958 01:04:32,767 --> 01:04:36,267 And it's a destructive act, but there's a lot of rational thought... 959 01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:40,400 that goes into an act that a lot of people just consider irrational. 960 01:04:43,667 --> 01:04:46,567 In my bag I had my parents' phone number, 961 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,433 and I wanted them to know what happened... 962 01:04:48,467 --> 01:04:50,333 and not just maybe agonizing... 963 01:04:50,367 --> 01:04:54,100 over what happened to their daughter for a week or two. 964 01:04:54,133 --> 01:04:56,533 So I wanted people to see me actually do it, 965 01:04:56,567 --> 01:05:00,667 and I think I really did want somebody to say, no, don't do it. 966 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:21,300 [ Caroline ] When Gene called me from St. Louis in despair... 967 01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:24,133 and was gonna jump off the bridge there, 968 01:05:24,167 --> 01:05:26,533 he said, I'm just calling to say good-bye. 969 01:05:26,567 --> 01:05:28,400 It's time. 970 01:05:28,433 --> 01:05:30,700 What could I say to him? 971 01:05:30,733 --> 01:05:36,067 You know, I had tried on occasion to find... 972 01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:39,033 something that would encourage him to live. 973 01:05:39,067 --> 01:05:40,700 Something. 974 01:05:40,733 --> 01:05:44,467 And I asked him again for a favor. 975 01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:47,233 I said, put my name and phone number... 976 01:05:47,267 --> 01:05:50,100 in a plastic bag in your pocket... 977 01:05:50,133 --> 01:05:54,800 so that when you are found, I can be told. 978 01:05:54,833 --> 01:05:56,467 I need to know. 979 01:05:59,833 --> 01:06:04,033 [ Matt ] He had called me from a bridge back there. 980 01:06:04,067 --> 01:06:06,433 [ Jen ] But he called me first from the train tracks... 981 01:06:06,467 --> 01:06:09,367 saying he was gonna lay his neck across the train tracks, 982 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,400 and because he said things like that all the time, 983 01:06:12,433 --> 01:06:14,500 I didn't call him back-- No. 984 01:06:14,533 --> 01:06:17,300 because I just didn't want to hear it. 985 01:06:17,333 --> 01:06:20,533 You know, you can only hear the same thing so many times... 986 01:06:20,567 --> 01:06:22,567 and give the same answer so many times-- 987 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,600 you know, stop being stupid, don't be ridiculous. 988 01:06:25,633 --> 01:06:28,300 It gets tiring after a while. 989 01:06:28,333 --> 01:06:30,067 You want to hear something different. 990 01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:33,067 So I guess when I didn't call him back, he went to the bridge. 991 01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:36,733 Yeah. He had made his way to a bridge. He called me on my cell phone. 992 01:06:36,767 --> 01:06:41,267 He told me this relationship that he was pursuing was all falling apart. 993 01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:43,400 So I kept him on the phone. I was talking to him. 994 01:06:43,433 --> 01:06:45,600 At one point in our conversation, 995 01:06:45,633 --> 01:06:48,333 he said, "Oh, a cop's driving by." 996 01:06:48,367 --> 01:06:50,600 And I actually heard the cop stop and ask him, 997 01:06:50,633 --> 01:06:52,633 "Hey, you're not gonna jump, are you?" 998 01:06:52,667 --> 01:06:56,500 Or they asked him, "Is everything okay? Are you having problems?" 999 01:06:56,533 --> 01:06:58,733 And he was like, "No, not really." 1000 01:06:58,767 --> 01:07:03,367 And, uh, they decided to leave him alone. 1001 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,500 And that's when I said, Look, I'm gonna get a ticket for you for the bus, 1002 01:07:07,533 --> 01:07:10,167 and you're gonna come back to California. 1003 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,400 And I convinced him to do that. 1004 01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:49,533 [ Man ] David is very dramatic, 1005 01:07:49,567 --> 01:07:52,567 boisterous, a life-of-the-party type. 1006 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,533 Playing the piano, singing. 1007 01:07:54,567 --> 01:07:57,167 You know, really Mr. Party. 1008 01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,200 Which is very interesting, because I'm not that way at all, 1009 01:08:00,233 --> 01:08:02,500 and I think part of the reason he liked me... 1010 01:08:02,533 --> 01:08:04,533 was that I didn't ask him to do that, 1011 01:08:04,567 --> 01:08:08,067 or he didn't feel he had to do that around me. 1012 01:08:10,233 --> 01:08:12,100 [ Woman ] He was a handsome guy. 1013 01:08:12,133 --> 01:08:14,467 He was a good dresser. 1014 01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:16,467 And he just exuded this, 1015 01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:18,767 which was another reason why I guess it's so... 1016 01:08:20,567 --> 01:08:24,333 shocking to me, is that he just exuded this joy for life. 1017 01:08:35,633 --> 01:08:39,200 [ Woman ] Ruby was someone that I was always proud to pull in, 1018 01:08:39,233 --> 01:08:41,067 so when there was somebody new in my life... 1019 01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:43,267 or I was dating somebody for a while, I'd want to bring him over. 1020 01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:44,600 You know? [ Laughs ] 1021 01:08:49,767 --> 01:08:52,133 [ Woman ] One of Jim's favorite things was when he'd see me... 1022 01:08:52,167 --> 01:08:53,500 he'd say, Oh, I met a new friend. 1023 01:08:53,533 --> 01:08:56,333 You've got to meet this person. You've just got to meet this person. 1024 01:08:56,367 --> 01:08:59,567 He had great delight in bringing people together. 1025 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,567 He really loved people in a, um-- 1026 01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:08,200 Just a very warm personality. 1027 01:09:08,233 --> 01:09:11,633 At least, that's how he was in the beginning. 1028 01:09:25,333 --> 01:09:28,533 [ Ruby's Friend ] Before six months ago, I would never have said... 1029 01:09:28,567 --> 01:09:31,100 that I thought Ruby had a significant depression problem. 1030 01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:37,800 I know that he was alone, without a source of income. 1031 01:09:37,833 --> 01:09:40,600 I know his sister had killed herself. 1032 01:09:40,633 --> 01:09:44,033 I know he had all those variables. 1033 01:09:44,067 --> 01:09:47,267 Nothing before this last few months of his life... 1034 01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:49,533 indicated to me that he was out of the range... 1035 01:09:49,567 --> 01:09:55,367 of the normal ups and downs that we just don't share all the time. 1036 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,467 David came over to Charlie's to have dinner with us, 1037 01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:04,233 and that's when he told us for the first time he was seriously on medication. 1038 01:10:04,267 --> 01:10:10,100 But up until that point, apparently he had been self-medicating with alcohol. 1039 01:10:10,133 --> 01:10:12,233 And although I knew him for nine years, 1040 01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:17,200 I could count on maybe-- 1041 01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:20,333 Maybe two times did I see him really drunk. 1042 01:10:24,133 --> 01:10:25,633 [ Gordon ] David would, every so often, 1043 01:10:25,667 --> 01:10:27,767 determine that he had to get his life back together, 1044 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,500 or he would be confronted by me or other friends, and start treatment. 1045 01:10:32,533 --> 01:10:37,400 He took antidepressants for a month and a half or so and made a big show of it, 1046 01:10:37,433 --> 01:10:40,233 but then, in the end, I arranged the labels... 1047 01:10:40,267 --> 01:10:42,367 so that I could see if he'd been picking the bottles up, 1048 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,300 and he hadn't touched them. 1049 01:10:44,333 --> 01:10:46,333 Didn't touch them for weeks. 1050 01:10:50,333 --> 01:10:52,467 [ Ruby's Friend ] So a couple of months before he died, 1051 01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:57,500 Ruby started talking about he couldn't get over his feelings of losses... 1052 01:10:57,533 --> 01:11:00,700 and he thought that he might be depressed, 1053 01:11:00,733 --> 01:11:02,600 but he didn't have any health insurance. 1054 01:11:04,267 --> 01:11:07,500 So he said, I want some meds. 1055 01:11:07,533 --> 01:11:10,100 Got any ideas about how I can get some? 1056 01:11:10,133 --> 01:11:13,200 And I had tried some antidepressant meds. 1057 01:11:13,233 --> 01:11:16,367 They didn't seem to help and I couldn't sleep on them. 1058 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,567 So I said, okay, listen. [ Chuckles ] 1059 01:11:21,167 --> 01:11:23,433 [ Sighs ] 1060 01:11:23,467 --> 01:11:25,000 Here. 1061 01:11:26,833 --> 01:11:28,467 You can have mine, 1062 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,333 but you've gotta call a physician for information on how to take them. 1063 01:11:34,367 --> 01:11:39,233 I can't pre-- I cannot be responsible for how you take them, 1064 01:11:39,267 --> 01:11:40,700 but you can have them. 1065 01:11:41,733 --> 01:11:43,033 So-- 1066 01:11:44,767 --> 01:11:49,600 I was gonna give him the whole bottle of them in the original bottle, 1067 01:11:49,633 --> 01:11:51,133 and I thought, 1068 01:11:53,067 --> 01:11:55,033 what if one day somebody goes into his apartment-- 1069 01:11:59,067 --> 01:12:01,633 [ Voice Cracking ] and is looking through his stuff... 1070 01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:05,267 and, you know, finds my name on a bottle of meds? 1071 01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:09,600 So I took them out and I put them in an envelope. 1072 01:12:12,267 --> 01:12:14,300 Just a plain envelope. 1073 01:12:19,667 --> 01:12:23,100 [ Ginny ] It was around November-- or the fall-- 1074 01:12:23,133 --> 01:12:25,633 when Jim lost an enormous amount of money... 1075 01:12:25,667 --> 01:12:28,300 and he actually made the statement, 1076 01:12:28,333 --> 01:12:30,667 "Well, if I don't sell these pots--" 1077 01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:32,800 Which were these Japanese ceramics-- 1078 01:12:32,833 --> 01:12:35,100 "I'm just gonna have to commit hara-kiri." 1079 01:12:39,267 --> 01:12:43,633 [ Shelley ] When I called him, I said, "David, I know you're in trouble. 1080 01:12:43,667 --> 01:12:46,767 I know you've lost your job, and I want to help you." 1081 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,133 He stopped because I'd never really said that before-- 1082 01:12:50,167 --> 01:12:53,133 because I didn't view him as really in trouble. 1083 01:12:53,167 --> 01:12:56,433 And he said, "I can't talk about this right now... 1084 01:12:56,467 --> 01:12:58,733 because I don't want to cry in the middle of the street." 1085 01:12:58,767 --> 01:13:02,300 And I thought, oh, my God. You know? This is serious. 1086 01:13:02,333 --> 01:13:05,333 He's really emotionally on the verge of tears. 1087 01:13:07,433 --> 01:13:14,200 Five months before he jumped, he had written a note, an e-mail, 1088 01:13:14,233 --> 01:13:16,733 to a couple dozen of his friends... 1089 01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:19,767 saying that he had been contemplating suicide, 1090 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,767 and a lot of them wrote back to him and called him. 1091 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,700 However, he never mentioned suicide to me, ever. 1092 01:13:26,733 --> 01:13:30,100 And I just can't fathom the idea of committing suicide, 1093 01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:33,433 and I just think I thought that he was one of those people who, 1094 01:13:33,467 --> 01:13:35,267 for him, it just wasn't an option, 1095 01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:37,067 but apparently it was. 1096 01:13:52,833 --> 01:13:55,100 [ Woman ] My daughter was leaving for camp... 1097 01:13:55,133 --> 01:13:57,500 and I said, "You know what? Let's go to the movies." 1098 01:14:00,333 --> 01:14:02,067 We went into the theater-- 1099 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,333 And he just-- 1100 01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:11,500 He just put his hands-- 1101 01:14:11,533 --> 01:14:17,067 his head in his hands, and he just... wept. 1102 01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:19,200 He just wept in the movie. 1103 01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:24,100 And I was tearing up a little too, 1104 01:14:24,133 --> 01:14:26,600 but he was just crying and crying and crying. 1105 01:14:26,633 --> 01:14:28,167 [ Sniffles ] 1106 01:14:29,767 --> 01:14:31,333 And-- 1107 01:14:35,233 --> 01:14:37,633 And he put his hand on my leg, 1108 01:14:40,300 --> 01:14:42,133 and I said, 1109 01:14:42,167 --> 01:14:44,000 "Ruby, I don't need to be comforted." 1110 01:14:45,067 --> 01:14:46,567 And he looked at me. 1111 01:14:49,067 --> 01:14:52,100 I thought, oh, my God. 1112 01:14:52,133 --> 01:14:53,533 Oh, no. 1113 01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:00,733 And I just-- I just-- 1114 01:15:00,767 --> 01:15:03,467 You know, it was then that I remembered... 1115 01:15:05,667 --> 01:15:08,433 that I put the meds in a plain white envelope... 1116 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,333 a couple months earlier. 1117 01:15:12,533 --> 01:15:14,067 So-- 1118 01:15:17,633 --> 01:15:19,267 We got out of the movie theater... 1119 01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:22,100 and we were walking to his car, 1120 01:15:22,133 --> 01:15:24,000 and, uh, I thought, 1121 01:15:26,267 --> 01:15:29,067 he's not just depressed, he wants to kill himself. 1122 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,533 And he said, the meds-- 1123 01:15:42,567 --> 01:15:44,300 "I-I think I can't sleep 'cause of the meds." 1124 01:15:44,333 --> 01:15:46,767 And I said, "I know. 1125 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,700 I wish I hadn't given them to you... 1126 01:15:48,733 --> 01:15:52,600 because I feel like I-- I made it worse. 1127 01:15:52,633 --> 01:15:55,733 They had the same effect on me." 1128 01:15:55,767 --> 01:15:57,500 He said, "That's it, actually. 1129 01:15:57,533 --> 01:16:02,567 I can't sleep, and I'm just up. 1130 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,733 I can't stop worrying. 1131 01:16:07,633 --> 01:16:09,433 I just can't turn it off. 1132 01:16:09,467 --> 01:16:12,733 Not sleeping is what is making me crazy. 1133 01:16:14,133 --> 01:16:15,767 I'm thinking about killing myself." 1134 01:16:17,267 --> 01:16:18,700 And I said, "I know." 1135 01:16:21,233 --> 01:16:23,500 You know, I felt it when we were walking to the car. 1136 01:16:23,533 --> 01:16:26,200 I just-- Something was gone. 1137 01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:34,500 And he said, "I'm so ashamed to tell you that I'm thinking about doing this. 1138 01:16:34,533 --> 01:16:36,467 What would you think of me if I did?" 1139 01:16:40,667 --> 01:16:44,267 And I said, "Ruby, I have understood... 1140 01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:47,200 that there are people who have incessant pain, 1141 01:16:48,433 --> 01:16:50,200 but-- [ Sighs ] 1142 01:16:51,833 --> 01:16:54,433 I don't think you're one of them. 1143 01:16:54,467 --> 01:16:56,267 Do you have a plan?" 1144 01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:01,067 And he said, "Well, I'm thinking about different things. 1145 01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:03,233 I'd overdose except I'm not sure how much to take... 1146 01:17:03,267 --> 01:17:06,300 and I might wake up in an ER, and that would be horrible. 1147 01:17:07,633 --> 01:17:11,200 And... I thought about the bridge." 1148 01:17:11,233 --> 01:17:15,033 And I said, "You can't do the bridge. Too dramatic." 1149 01:17:15,067 --> 01:17:16,767 He said, "What about people who shoot themselves?" 1150 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,533 And I said, "It's too messy and it's not fair to your landlord, 1151 01:17:20,567 --> 01:17:22,800 and anyway, you know, 1152 01:17:22,833 --> 01:17:26,667 you are not in the category of people who get to kill themselves." 1153 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,633 And then he wanted to come over and spend some time... 1154 01:17:34,667 --> 01:17:36,533 and just didn't want to go home yet, 1155 01:17:36,567 --> 01:17:40,100 but I actually just-- I wanted to be by myself. 1156 01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:44,733 So I said, "No. Can't. 1157 01:17:49,233 --> 01:17:51,700 But if you feel really desperate, you call me. 1158 01:17:51,733 --> 01:17:53,267 I'll drop anything." 1159 01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:54,667 I did say that. 1160 01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:02,133 So then I got out of my car and went home. 1161 01:18:02,167 --> 01:18:04,267 And I didn't hear from him, 1162 01:18:06,367 --> 01:18:07,667 actually, ever again. 1163 01:18:31,633 --> 01:18:35,067 [ Woman ] * Since I lost you 1164 01:18:37,467 --> 01:18:41,767 * I can't get through the day 1165 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:47,400 * Without at least one big boo-hoo * 1166 01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:54,400 * The pain won't go away 1167 01:18:54,433 --> 01:18:57,533 * What am I gonna do? * 1168 01:18:57,567 --> 01:18:59,033 ** [ Continues, Fades ] 1169 01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:01,200 We all know how much-- 1170 01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:05,333 all of us who've been close to Jim-- 1171 01:19:05,367 --> 01:19:07,733 how his passing has affected us, 1172 01:19:07,767 --> 01:19:12,800 whether it's... fear that, you know, 1173 01:19:12,833 --> 01:19:16,267 you might get to that same place and do the same thing, 1174 01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:18,433 or, um, you know, 1175 01:19:18,467 --> 01:19:22,600 just guilt because you felt you weren't a good enough friend, 1176 01:19:22,633 --> 01:19:25,100 or what-whatever it is, there-- 1177 01:19:25,133 --> 01:19:27,133 There is a lot of different reactions. 1178 01:19:27,167 --> 01:19:30,000 Talking to everybody, there's a lot of different reactions. 1179 01:19:32,567 --> 01:19:37,333 And I think everyone is trying to make sense of it, and-and as one-- 1180 01:19:37,367 --> 01:19:42,133 Jim's particular passing which, as a friend of mine said, 1181 01:19:42,167 --> 01:19:46,733 he was warning you, but he was not asking for help. 1182 01:19:51,833 --> 01:19:56,767 I thought that he was probably feeling so ashamed-- 1183 01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,667 Because the theme of that night was, 1184 01:19:58,700 --> 01:20:00,633 I'm so ashamed I'm telling you this-- 1185 01:20:00,667 --> 01:20:03,167 that I, 1186 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:08,100 um, made the mistake of giving him some space to recover. 1187 01:20:09,367 --> 01:20:12,200 And that was a bad call, I think. 1188 01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:16,700 You know, I could have 5150'd him. 1189 01:20:16,733 --> 01:20:19,667 [ Splash ] 1190 01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:22,400 But also, I didn't want to humiliate him... 1191 01:20:22,433 --> 01:20:24,600 and have him be in a psych facility... 1192 01:20:24,633 --> 01:20:26,600 'cause I wasn't sure they were really gonna help him... 1193 01:20:26,633 --> 01:20:28,633 and I didn't want to cross my boundaries. 1194 01:20:30,167 --> 01:20:33,167 But I will never again not intrude. 1195 01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,100 I won't respect their privacy and their-- 1196 01:20:36,133 --> 01:20:39,600 And I will not ever again not do something... 1197 01:20:39,633 --> 01:20:42,767 'cause I'm afraid that they might be embarrassed. 1198 01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,800 [ Gordon ] There's obviously a fuzzy line... 1199 01:20:48,833 --> 01:20:52,700 between doing nothing and doing what would have prevented it. 1200 01:20:52,733 --> 01:20:55,667 And who knows where that line is? 1201 01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:58,733 He was a grown-up. I couldn't tell him what to do with his life, 1202 01:20:58,767 --> 01:21:01,700 and I suppose if we had had him locked up or something, 1203 01:21:01,733 --> 01:21:04,100 then, um, 1204 01:21:04,133 --> 01:21:07,067 he might still be alive, but, uh-- 1205 01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:10,200 I don't blame myself like that. 1206 01:21:11,533 --> 01:21:15,100 Um, initially, several of his other friends... 1207 01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:17,467 went out there as a group, 1208 01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:21,500 because they knew the light pole number... 1209 01:21:21,533 --> 01:21:23,167 where he had jumped. 1210 01:21:24,833 --> 01:21:26,667 I couldn't go, 1211 01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:28,800 but a couple of months later I did go, 1212 01:21:28,833 --> 01:21:31,100 and it was very difficult. 1213 01:21:31,133 --> 01:21:34,200 And I'll never be able to sort of drive across the bridge again... 1214 01:21:34,233 --> 01:21:37,367 without some kind of, uh, 1215 01:21:38,467 --> 01:21:40,200 emotional reaction. 1216 01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:44,033 Something else I'm pissed off at him about. 1217 01:21:44,067 --> 01:21:46,733 Such a great bridge. [ Laughs ] 1218 01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:52,167 I think the bridge has a romance, 1219 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,100 a false-- you know, a false promise of-- 1220 01:21:55,133 --> 01:21:57,333 a false romantic promise to it. 1221 01:21:59,267 --> 01:22:00,767 Because he's dead. 1222 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,767 [ Stammers ] 1223 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,333 And... 1224 01:22:06,167 --> 01:22:09,033 he doesn't get to benefit from the romantic-- 1225 01:22:09,067 --> 01:22:10,500 from the romanticism of it. 1226 01:22:10,533 --> 01:22:13,333 He doesn't have any benefit from it. 1227 01:22:13,367 --> 01:22:17,533 It romanticizes him, a bit, in the legend, 1228 01:22:17,567 --> 01:22:19,733 but, um-- 1229 01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:24,300 but he doesn't-- he doesn't benefit from it. 1230 01:22:24,333 --> 01:22:26,667 So what if his story has that at the end? 1231 01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:28,333 He's gone. 1232 01:22:30,167 --> 01:22:31,800 And so I think there's an empty promise. 1233 01:22:31,833 --> 01:22:33,467 It's almost like, you know, when alcoholics... 1234 01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:35,500 talk about the romance of the bottle. 1235 01:22:35,533 --> 01:22:37,533 You know? 1236 01:22:37,567 --> 01:22:39,700 Like, maybe the first sip is really good, 1237 01:22:39,733 --> 01:22:42,233 and everything else is hell. 1238 01:22:42,267 --> 01:22:46,333 So maybe walking out there he had a romantic moment or two, or an hour, 1239 01:22:48,467 --> 01:22:50,733 but hitting the water can't be fun. 1240 01:22:52,733 --> 01:22:55,600 I think he felt like a failure, and this was some sort of redemption. 1241 01:22:59,633 --> 01:23:02,267 I think that it just drew him with this idea... 1242 01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:04,367 of, you know, sort of... 1243 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,467 being famous. 1244 01:23:53,833 --> 01:23:57,533 [ Matt ] The last time I saw him, I was leaving for work, 1245 01:23:57,567 --> 01:24:00,333 and, uh, I gave him five bucks... 1246 01:24:00,367 --> 01:24:03,133 so he could get a pack of smokes, go grab a paper, 1247 01:24:03,167 --> 01:24:06,500 and, you know, go out and maybe hit a couple places... 1248 01:24:06,533 --> 01:24:09,433 to put in some applications, 1249 01:24:09,467 --> 01:24:11,433 and that's when he disappeared. 1250 01:24:11,467 --> 01:24:15,267 I was the last one to actually talk to him. 1251 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:19,433 And I remember when I was walking out the door, I-- 1252 01:24:19,467 --> 01:24:23,267 The last thing I said to him-- I said, "Cheer up, Gene." 1253 01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:26,633 You know, I said, "Everything will work out." 1254 01:24:26,667 --> 01:24:30,633 You know. And, uh, just jokingly I said, 1255 01:24:30,667 --> 01:24:32,567 "See you when I get home. Love you." 1256 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:37,433 And that was it. That was the last thing I ever said to him. 1257 01:24:37,467 --> 01:24:40,600 The last thing I ever said to him was a fight. Yeah. 1258 01:24:42,067 --> 01:24:44,600 Because he wasn't-- 1259 01:24:44,633 --> 01:24:48,067 I didn't think he was trying to find a job as hard as he could, 1260 01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:50,167 and it was making me angry... 1261 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,367 because I knew that he was very smart and he was very capable, 1262 01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:58,400 and the only thing holding him back was him just not caring. 1263 01:24:58,433 --> 01:25:00,633 And he had found one of the kids' sidewalk chalk, 1264 01:25:00,667 --> 01:25:04,367 and he was sitting behind Matt's truck, 1265 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,133 and he wrote "End me" on the ground. 1266 01:25:07,167 --> 01:25:10,033 Like he scratched it in over and over and over. 1267 01:25:10,067 --> 01:25:12,200 And my son came in and got me, 1268 01:25:12,233 --> 01:25:14,200 and said, "Why would Gene write that?" 1269 01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:25,500 [ Matt ] Knowing Gene and the way his personality works and stuff, 1270 01:25:25,533 --> 01:25:27,600 the Golden Gate Bridge was perfect for him... 1271 01:25:27,633 --> 01:25:33,167 because it's just one easy step, and there's no turning back. 1272 01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,467 In hindsight, I almost feel like it was meant to happen. 1273 01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:39,467 Maybe he's happy now. 1274 01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:41,367 You know, who knows? I don't. 1275 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:42,733 But, uh, 1276 01:25:44,233 --> 01:25:46,500 I know he was-- 1277 01:25:46,533 --> 01:25:49,333 He couldn't have lasted much longer. 1278 01:25:49,367 --> 01:25:51,200 Not the way he was going. 1279 01:25:51,233 --> 01:25:53,600 But if he would have waited, 1280 01:25:53,633 --> 01:25:55,367 there was a message on our answering machine... 1281 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,133 from one of the places in Oakland-- Yeah. 1282 01:25:58,167 --> 01:26:01,333 that had offered him a management position, which was what he wanted. 1283 01:26:01,367 --> 01:26:04,400 They were opening a new... GameStop, I think it was. 1284 01:26:04,433 --> 01:26:06,700 Whatever. One of the game places. One of the game stores. 1285 01:26:06,733 --> 01:26:08,767 They were gonna put him straight into management. 1286 01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,633 He had an interview the day that he jumped at 10:00 in the morning. 1287 01:26:12,667 --> 01:26:16,300 And I don't know if he got the message or if he missed it, 1288 01:26:16,333 --> 01:26:18,133 'cause I don't know what time he left. 1289 01:26:18,167 --> 01:26:21,200 He was gone before I got home. 1290 01:26:21,233 --> 01:26:26,100 So, if he would have either just checked the message or waited-- 1291 01:26:33,567 --> 01:26:37,633 [ Dave ] I couldn't fully cry and I couldn't fully whatever, 1292 01:26:37,667 --> 01:26:41,367 but the overwhelming emotion was anger. 1293 01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:42,567 You know? 1294 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,300 I was extremely pissed. 1295 01:26:45,333 --> 01:26:47,800 I wanted to drive out to the Bay Area... 1296 01:26:47,833 --> 01:26:51,533 and go to the coroner and, 1297 01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:56,767 you know-- Clear! [ Imitates Defibrillator ] Wake up. 1298 01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,233 Why did you do that? 1299 01:26:59,267 --> 01:27:03,733 I don't see any reason for people to do that. 1300 01:27:05,567 --> 01:27:08,767 Gene had people in this world that loved him, 1301 01:27:10,767 --> 01:27:13,133 and he hurt 'em. 1302 01:27:15,533 --> 01:27:18,567 If I see him again, that's what I want to tell him. 1303 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,533 He hurt me, and I didn't think he would ever do that. 1304 01:27:29,433 --> 01:27:32,300 "Disturbed" is an interesting word 'cause it-- 1305 01:27:32,333 --> 01:27:33,733 [ Chuckles ] 1306 01:27:33,767 --> 01:27:36,700 That's all I can define it as, is I was disturbed. 1307 01:27:36,733 --> 01:27:40,233 Now I miss him. Now I'm sad. 1308 01:27:40,267 --> 01:27:43,667 But at the moment, there was almost-- 1309 01:27:45,633 --> 01:27:49,500 That I got the news, there was almost a sense of relief, 1310 01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:51,700 um, 1311 01:27:54,133 --> 01:27:58,300 that he wasn't going to be... disappointed... 1312 01:27:58,333 --> 01:28:01,167 or unhappy anymore. 1313 01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,400 Um-- 1314 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,500 Now I miss him, 1315 01:28:05,533 --> 01:28:10,067 but... I don't have any-- any answers. 1316 01:28:11,267 --> 01:28:14,300 Um, just a bunch of observations... 1317 01:28:14,333 --> 01:28:18,400 and a bunch of experience... 1318 01:28:18,433 --> 01:28:21,233 of feeling disturbed... 1319 01:28:21,267 --> 01:28:23,467 about that situation. 1320 01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:27,600 I don't know why people kill themselves, 1321 01:28:27,633 --> 01:28:31,767 and yet, it's a small step to empathize, 1322 01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,167 to say-- 1323 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:39,267 Because I think we all experience moments of despair, that-- 1324 01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:42,600 It would just be so much easier not to do this anymore. 1325 01:28:43,833 --> 01:28:47,133 But for most of us, the sun comes out, 1326 01:28:47,167 --> 01:28:50,333 and then, oh, well. 1327 01:28:50,367 --> 01:28:52,333 Tomorrow is another day. 1328 01:29:01,533 --> 01:29:04,667 Why he chose the bridge, I don't know. 1329 01:29:06,333 --> 01:29:10,367 Maybe there's a certain amount of release... 1330 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,233 from pain, by pain. 1331 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,000 Maybe he just wanted to fly one time. 1332 01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:55,067 ** [ Piano: Ballad Intro ] 1333 01:30:01,833 --> 01:30:03,733 [ Man ] * Here 1334 01:30:03,767 --> 01:30:06,733 * Where they can't find us 1335 01:30:06,767 --> 01:30:10,267 * I dare them to call 1336 01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:12,533 * Me out 1337 01:30:13,467 --> 01:30:16,133 * I tell you, we 1338 01:30:16,167 --> 01:30:19,200 * Met here on purpose 1339 01:30:19,233 --> 01:30:22,567 * I bet they can't wait 1340 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,767 * To wake us up 1341 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,467 * It's all 1342 01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:31,200 * A little bit strange 1343 01:30:32,567 --> 01:30:34,500 * I know 1344 01:30:34,533 --> 01:30:38,100 * It's a little bit strange 1345 01:30:39,633 --> 01:30:44,333 * Make a point and ignore them * 1346 01:30:44,367 --> 01:30:47,567 * Come on, let's wait 1347 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,067 * This out 1348 01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:53,533 * They'll find out we 1349 01:30:53,567 --> 01:30:56,600 * Never stop turning 1350 01:30:56,633 --> 01:31:00,400 * And sometimes it's tough 1351 01:31:00,433 --> 01:31:03,667 * To change direction 1352 01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:05,767 * I know 1353 01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,133 * It's a little bit strange 1354 01:31:10,167 --> 01:31:12,267 * It's all 1355 01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:16,733 * A little bit strange 1356 01:31:16,767 --> 01:31:19,433 * At the end of the day 1357 01:31:19,467 --> 01:31:21,467 * I'm 1358 01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:25,500 * Gonna say what I mean 1359 01:31:25,533 --> 01:31:29,333 * I 1360 01:31:29,367 --> 01:31:31,533 * It's slipping all away 1361 01:31:31,567 --> 01:31:34,067 * Away 1362 01:31:35,233 --> 01:31:40,200 * At the end of our days 1363 01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:43,633 * We'll escape 1364 01:31:47,333 --> 01:31:49,700 * We'll escape 1365 01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:54,433 ** [ Vocalizing ] 1366 01:32:18,667 --> 01:32:20,700 * I know 1367 01:32:20,733 --> 01:32:24,800 * It's a little bit strange 1368 01:32:24,833 --> 01:32:27,200 * It's all 1369 01:32:27,233 --> 01:32:31,600 * A little bit strange 1370 01:32:31,633 --> 01:32:34,333 * At the end of the day 1371 01:32:34,367 --> 01:32:37,700 * I'm 1372 01:32:37,733 --> 01:32:40,567 * Gonna say what I mean 1373 01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,300 * Well, I'm 1374 01:32:44,333 --> 01:32:46,700 * At the end of the day 1375 01:32:46,733 --> 01:32:49,733 * I'm 1376 01:32:49,767 --> 01:32:53,133 * Gonna say what I mean 1377 01:32:53,167 --> 01:32:57,033 * Well, I 1378 01:32:57,067 --> 01:33:03,200 * Tear it all away 1379 01:33:03,233 --> 01:33:09,167 * It's slipping all away 1380 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:13,367 * It's slipping all away 1381 01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,600 * Now 1382 01:33:15,633 --> 01:33:20,333 * At the end of our days 1383 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,533 * We'll escape 1384 01:33:27,733 --> 01:33:30,100 * We'll escape 1385 01:33:32,767 --> 01:33:35,700 * Oh, there's no escape 1386 01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:42,633 * We'll escape * 1387 01:33:44,267 --> 01:33:47,133 ** [ Vocalizing ] 107547

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