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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,102 --> 00:00:04,538 ( SILENT ) 2 00:00:17,818 --> 00:00:21,155 ( MELLOW MUSIC ) 3 00:00:24,558 --> 00:00:26,660 JOSHUA ZEMAN: Every town has its legends. 4 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,531 Every neighborhood has its boogeymen... 5 00:00:30,631 --> 00:00:34,135 a killer with a hook for a hand... 6 00:00:34,235 --> 00:00:37,305 a drifter who snatches children... 7 00:00:37,405 --> 00:00:40,341 the witch who lives in the woods. 8 00:00:40,441 --> 00:00:43,444 Ours growing up in Staten Island was Cropsey, 9 00:00:43,544 --> 00:00:47,115 about an escaped mental patient who lived in these buildings 10 00:00:47,215 --> 00:00:49,117 who would snatch children off the street. 11 00:00:51,652 --> 00:00:53,587 This urban legend turned real 12 00:00:53,687 --> 00:00:56,624 when five neighborhood children went missing. 13 00:00:59,427 --> 00:01:02,230 It was these disappearances that led us to examine 14 00:01:02,330 --> 00:01:05,233 the real crimes behind the Cropsey urban legend. 15 00:01:05,333 --> 00:01:07,168 NEWS REPORTER: A grisly discovery 16 00:01:07,268 --> 00:01:09,270 of an arm and a leg sticking out from a shallow grave. 17 00:01:09,370 --> 00:01:10,638 JOSHUA: And what we discovered was a connection 18 00:01:10,738 --> 00:01:13,641 to an institution with a shocking history. 19 00:01:13,741 --> 00:01:15,309 This is what it looked like, 20 00:01:15,409 --> 00:01:18,146 but how can I tell you about the way it smelled. 21 00:01:18,246 --> 00:01:20,514 It smelled of filth, it smelled of disease, 22 00:01:20,614 --> 00:01:22,216 and it smelled of death. 23 00:01:22,316 --> 00:01:24,385 JOSHUA: Understanding the real story behind Cropsey 24 00:01:24,485 --> 00:01:27,455 inspired us to investigate other urban legends 25 00:01:27,555 --> 00:01:30,691 and the true crimes that may have influenced them, 26 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:32,293 and what we uncovered 27 00:01:32,393 --> 00:01:35,363 was a truth more horrific than any fiction. 28 00:02:34,822 --> 00:02:37,558 This is where we thought that Cropsey lived, 29 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:40,561 in these buildings here. 30 00:02:40,661 --> 00:02:42,663 It's very easy for an urban legend 31 00:02:42,763 --> 00:02:44,465 to come out of something like this. 32 00:02:44,565 --> 00:02:46,567 Yeah, and we didn't think anything of it 33 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,803 until kids started going missing on Staten Island, 34 00:02:49,903 --> 00:02:53,607 and then we were like, Cropsey is real. 35 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:55,309 But do you think every urban legend 36 00:02:55,409 --> 00:02:56,644 has truth behind it? 37 00:02:57,778 --> 00:02:59,280 Yes, I think you have to have some form of like truth 38 00:02:59,380 --> 00:03:00,781 to gonna go off of. 39 00:03:00,881 --> 00:03:02,450 There's a lot of other urban legends 40 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:03,584 in a lot of other communities 41 00:03:04,518 --> 00:03:05,419 that have some form of truth behind them. 42 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:06,620 Uh-hm. 43 00:03:07,621 --> 00:03:08,356 And what's interesting is all these communities 44 00:03:08,922 --> 00:03:10,458 have all these places. 45 00:03:10,558 --> 00:03:12,326 RACHEL MILLS: Well, every kid is lured to 46 00:03:12,426 --> 00:03:17,465 or fascinated by the old house at the end of the block. 47 00:03:17,565 --> 00:03:19,267 These are the stories that fuel your nightmares, 48 00:03:19,367 --> 00:03:21,869 and these are the places that fuel your nightmares. 49 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:23,504 JOSHUA: So why are you here tonight? 50 00:03:23,604 --> 00:03:24,738 You hear stories. 51 00:03:25,773 --> 00:03:26,374 We just want to see what it's about, I guess. 52 00:03:27,508 --> 00:03:27,541 JOSHUA: What do you guys expect to find out here? 53 00:03:28,642 --> 00:03:29,610 People who died here are supposed to be the ghosts. 54 00:03:30,811 --> 00:03:30,844 JOSHUA: You believe that there are devil worshipers 55 00:03:31,812 --> 00:03:31,845 in the woods here? - Oh yeah, I do, I do. 56 00:03:32,913 --> 00:03:33,781 Somebody said they were doing freaky experiments 57 00:03:34,315 --> 00:03:36,417 and crap like that. 58 00:03:36,517 --> 00:03:39,320 JOSHUA: Why do we believe these urban legends? 59 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:40,821 Maybe we need to believe 60 00:03:40,921 --> 00:03:45,459 because the reality is too much for some of us to bear. 61 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:47,628 An old legend that actually happened this time... 62 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:49,797 - Many more cases of contaminated treats... 63 00:03:49,897 --> 00:03:51,765 FEMALE VOICE: I know she suffered, a lot. 64 00:03:51,865 --> 00:03:53,367 VOICE ON TAPE: He pulled a knife 65 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:55,603 and tied me up with electrical tape. 66 00:03:55,703 --> 00:03:57,305 Oh, God. 67 00:03:57,405 --> 00:03:59,340 JOSHUA: And so instead, we created our own monsters. 68 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,741 NEWS REPORTER 1: The 36-year-old building contractor 69 00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:02,576 who reportedly dressed like a clown... 70 00:04:02,676 --> 00:04:03,911 NEWS REPORTER 2: At least three young boys 71 00:04:04,011 --> 00:04:05,646 buried under his house. 72 00:04:05,746 --> 00:04:07,247 JOSHUA: And maybe that's because 73 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:10,618 the truth is more terrifying than we could ever imagine. 74 00:04:10,718 --> 00:04:12,420 - I got seven down and ( indistinct ). 75 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,721 Seven down! 76 00:04:13,821 --> 00:04:16,824 I've got a child victim-- I need Rescue. 77 00:04:18,359 --> 00:04:20,361 JOSHUA: For Rachel and me, this is an attempt 78 00:04:20,461 --> 00:04:23,631 to uncover the source of our nightmares 79 00:04:23,731 --> 00:04:27,468 as we pull back the curtains on what it is we all fear-- 80 00:04:27,568 --> 00:04:30,871 because urban legends, as scary as they may be, 81 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:34,908 are really just warnings for something much more dangerous-- 82 00:04:35,008 --> 00:04:38,412 the reality that may have started it all. 83 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:47,755 The Hook is one of the oldest 84 00:04:47,855 --> 00:04:50,524 and also one of the scariest urban legends. 85 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:52,726 A teenage couple are making out in their car 86 00:04:52,826 --> 00:04:54,728 while parked at a lover's lane. 87 00:04:54,828 --> 00:04:56,697 As the two are about to go all the way, 88 00:04:56,797 --> 00:04:58,366 the radio interrupts them. 89 00:04:58,466 --> 00:04:59,533 ( BACKGROUND ON RADIO ) ...Are killed by an LA gunman... 90 00:04:59,633 --> 00:05:01,301 JOSHUA: A crazed maniac with a hook for a hand 91 00:05:01,402 --> 00:05:03,604 has escaped from the local insane asylum. 92 00:05:03,704 --> 00:05:05,373 The frightened girl demands to go home 93 00:05:05,473 --> 00:05:08,576 as the frustrated boy guns the engine. 94 00:05:08,676 --> 00:05:11,612 Later, as the boyfriend goes to open his date's door, 95 00:05:11,712 --> 00:05:13,681 he sees dangling from the door handle, 96 00:05:13,781 --> 00:05:18,386 the maniac's bloody hook, ripped from the socket. 97 00:05:18,486 --> 00:05:19,553 The Hook urban legend 98 00:05:19,653 --> 00:05:23,991 probably came to be in the mid-1950s. 99 00:05:24,091 --> 00:05:26,727 One of the interesting appearances of The Hook 100 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:28,729 was in November 1960 101 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:30,964 when it actually appeared in the Dear Abby column, 102 00:05:31,064 --> 00:05:33,867 and it's something that a lot of people would have read. 103 00:05:35,536 --> 00:05:37,004 JOSHUA: But Dear Abby wasn't warning teenagers 104 00:05:37,104 --> 00:05:39,773 about escaped madmen with hooks for hands. 105 00:05:40,474 --> 00:05:42,643 Urban legends are more mysterious than that 106 00:05:42,743 --> 00:05:44,478 and never quite so literal. 107 00:05:44,878 --> 00:05:47,781 Despite its name, The Hook is a cautionary tale 108 00:05:47,881 --> 00:05:54,555 warning teenagers everywhere about the dangers of sex. 109 00:05:54,655 --> 00:05:56,457 STEPHEN WINICK: The Hook urban legend captured something 110 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:58,992 in the era that people were interested in. 111 00:05:59,092 --> 00:06:01,862 It captured a certain amount of danger being involved 112 00:06:01,962 --> 00:06:07,668 in teenage sexual behavior and in teenage car culture. 113 00:06:07,768 --> 00:06:09,903 JOSHUA: For the teenagers in Texarkana, Texas, 114 00:06:10,003 --> 00:06:12,773 this wasn't just some cautionary tale. 115 00:06:12,873 --> 00:06:15,008 In the early spring of 1946, 116 00:06:15,108 --> 00:06:16,977 a masked man known as The Phantom 117 00:06:17,077 --> 00:06:18,546 attacked four couples, 118 00:06:18,646 --> 00:06:20,914 most of whom were parked on lover's lanes. 119 00:06:21,014 --> 00:06:22,516 The attacks, which killed five, 120 00:06:22,616 --> 00:06:24,652 were said to coincide with the full moon, 121 00:06:24,752 --> 00:06:26,987 hence the nickname The Moonlight Murders. 122 00:06:27,087 --> 00:06:28,656 And although there were numerous suspects, 123 00:06:28,756 --> 00:06:30,924 The Phantom was never caught, 124 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:34,528 allowing his enduring legacy to haunt this town 125 00:06:34,628 --> 00:06:36,697 for more than six decades. 126 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:46,507 So this is South Robeson and this old Highway 67. 127 00:06:46,607 --> 00:06:49,076 The murder site is somewhere around here, 128 00:06:49,176 --> 00:06:51,879 but that's what we've got to kind of figure out. 129 00:06:51,979 --> 00:06:54,448 JOSHUA: It was a rainy Sunday morning on March 24 130 00:06:54,548 --> 00:06:57,451 when a passing motorist noticed Richard Griffin's Oldsmobile 131 00:06:57,551 --> 00:07:01,088 parked on a lover's lane off Highway 67. 132 00:07:01,188 --> 00:07:03,724 Inside he found Griffin, age 29, 133 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:07,695 and Polly Ann Moore, 17, lying in the backseat. 134 00:07:07,795 --> 00:07:11,865 Both had been shot in the back of the head. 135 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:13,501 JOSHUA: Hey, guys, how are you doing? 136 00:07:13,601 --> 00:07:14,835 RACHEL: What we're doing is 137 00:07:14,935 --> 00:07:16,604 we're investigating The Phantom Killer. 138 00:07:16,704 --> 00:07:19,540 They had a lot of speculations on who did it, 139 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,475 but it was never-- 140 00:07:21,575 --> 00:07:22,976 no one was ever brought to justice. 141 00:07:23,076 --> 00:07:24,778 Did you hear stories growing up? 142 00:07:24,878 --> 00:07:27,481 All I ever heard was don't go to Spring Lake Park. 143 00:07:27,581 --> 00:07:28,582 Really? Uh-hm. 144 00:07:29,483 --> 00:07:30,884 Why? It's kind of creepy out there, 145 00:07:30,984 --> 00:07:33,020 so we were always afraid to go there. 146 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,488 JOSHUA: But did you still go? 147 00:07:34,588 --> 00:07:35,656 No. 148 00:07:35,756 --> 00:07:37,525 JOSHUA: We're having a little trouble 149 00:07:37,625 --> 00:07:38,692 finding out where the area is because everything's changed. 150 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:40,594 Well, I can take you out there to the road 151 00:07:41,361 --> 00:07:43,564 and point to almost the spot. 152 00:07:43,664 --> 00:07:44,698 Right about there. 153 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:45,699 Uh-huh. 154 00:07:45,799 --> 00:07:46,934 JOSHUA: On that side? 155 00:07:47,034 --> 00:07:48,802 On that side. 156 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:50,571 JOSHUA: Like the couple in the urban legend, 157 00:07:50,671 --> 00:07:51,772 Griffin and Moore had been attacked 158 00:07:51,872 --> 00:07:53,607 while parked on Lover's Lane, 159 00:07:53,707 --> 00:07:56,677 highlighting the warning behind this campfire tale, 160 00:07:56,777 --> 00:07:58,912 but what the residents in Texarkana didn't know-- 161 00:07:59,012 --> 00:08:01,549 because it wasn't reported in the papers-- 162 00:08:01,649 --> 00:08:05,753 were the horrific details behind this real-life crime. 163 00:08:05,853 --> 00:08:09,690 They had found evidence of blood and a blanket... 164 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:10,691 Uh-hm. 165 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:11,825 And they believe that she was raped 166 00:08:12,392 --> 00:08:13,160 out in front of the car 167 00:08:13,927 --> 00:08:16,964 and then put back in the car. 168 00:08:17,064 --> 00:08:18,165 JAMES PRESLEY: The first double murder 169 00:08:18,265 --> 00:08:20,000 didn't cause a lot of excitement. 170 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:22,570 All kinds of crimes were going on in Texarkana, 171 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:26,574 but they didn't recognize until sometime later 172 00:08:26,674 --> 00:08:29,009 that this is a different kind of crime. 173 00:08:29,109 --> 00:08:32,780 The term "serial killer" wasn't in vogue then... 174 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,949 And no one recognized this as a serial killing. 175 00:08:36,049 --> 00:08:38,652 The main suspect was Youell Swinney 176 00:08:38,752 --> 00:08:40,821 who was an ex-convict. 177 00:08:40,921 --> 00:08:42,856 JOSHUA: Youell Swinney and his newlywed bride, 178 00:08:42,956 --> 00:08:44,758 a former prostitute named Peggy, 179 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:47,728 had been arrested for stealing cars. 180 00:08:47,828 --> 00:08:49,029 Under questioning, the wife confessed 181 00:08:49,129 --> 00:08:50,998 that her husband was The Phantom, 182 00:08:51,098 --> 00:08:53,533 but refused to sign a statement. 183 00:08:53,634 --> 00:08:55,035 Although the case quickly fell apart, 184 00:08:55,135 --> 00:08:57,938 the judge still sent Swinney away for life 185 00:08:58,038 --> 00:09:00,808 as a habitual car thief. 186 00:09:00,908 --> 00:09:02,876 No evidence directly correlating... 187 00:09:02,976 --> 00:09:05,012 JAMES: No physical evidence. 188 00:09:05,112 --> 00:09:07,180 They had his wife's statement, 189 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,950 but they could not use that without her permission. 190 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:12,653 There had been a lot of other suspects, hundreds. 191 00:09:12,753 --> 00:09:13,754 People had theories 192 00:09:13,854 --> 00:09:16,757 and all kinds of rumors had been bouncing around, 193 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:20,694 but it's normal in any event, especially when there's mystery 194 00:09:20,794 --> 00:09:23,797 as there was always mystery in this one. 195 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:27,635 Texarkana is nothing like other towns. 196 00:09:27,735 --> 00:09:31,071 It seems to be wallowing in the notoriety. 197 00:09:31,171 --> 00:09:33,040 Documentary team in town 198 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:35,142 to shoot a part of Texarkana history. 199 00:09:35,242 --> 00:09:37,044 This week, some Texarkana residents 200 00:09:37,144 --> 00:09:38,946 will have the chance to appear onscreen 201 00:09:39,046 --> 00:09:41,615 in a documentary film of The Phantom Killer. 202 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:43,183 So what should we make of all this? 203 00:09:43,283 --> 00:09:45,052 The conclusion is simple-- 204 00:09:45,152 --> 00:09:47,220 Texarkana will never escape its past. 205 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,989 We should give up trying. 206 00:09:55,763 --> 00:09:58,031 JOSHUA: It was a half moon on February 22 207 00:09:58,131 --> 00:10:00,067 when Jimmy Hollis, age 24, 208 00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:02,135 and Mary Jeanne Larey, 19, 209 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:05,038 were attacked on a secluded lover's lane. 210 00:10:05,138 --> 00:10:08,876 Both survived after a car scared the assailant away. 211 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:13,113 Around midnight, 212 00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:14,948 Mary Jeanne Larey and Jimmy Hollis 213 00:10:15,048 --> 00:10:16,917 were making out in the front seat of their car. 214 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:20,087 All of a sudden, a guy appears with a gun, 215 00:10:20,187 --> 00:10:22,656 wearing a mask over his head, white, 216 00:10:22,756 --> 00:10:25,258 two holes cut out for eyes and mouth. 217 00:10:25,358 --> 00:10:27,027 He tells her to run. 218 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:31,765 He chases her down and then starts to attack her, 219 00:10:31,865 --> 00:10:34,702 basically sexually assaults her with the barrel of his gun. 220 00:10:34,802 --> 00:10:37,104 She said she'd much rather have been killed like the others 221 00:10:37,204 --> 00:10:40,040 than to have been left the way she was. 222 00:10:41,709 --> 00:10:43,877 JOSHUA: While the attacks on lover's lanes in Texarkana 223 00:10:43,977 --> 00:10:46,046 didn't specifically involve a hook, 224 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:47,981 The Phantom's sickening crimes 225 00:10:48,081 --> 00:10:52,119 created an equally horrifying metaphor. 226 00:10:52,219 --> 00:10:54,321 STEPHEN: One of the victims was actually sexually assaulted 227 00:10:54,421 --> 00:10:56,089 with the barrel of a gun, 228 00:10:56,189 --> 00:10:59,760 and so we have the idea of a foreign metal object 229 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:01,929 being used in this way which seems to be 230 00:11:02,029 --> 00:11:04,932 psychologically behind the idea of The Hook. 231 00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:07,768 In The Hook story, we have the hook 232 00:11:07,868 --> 00:11:11,204 about to penetrate the car when the boy drives away 233 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,074 and the hook is then ripped from the hand of the murderer. 234 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:16,944 So we have the idea of penetration 235 00:11:17,044 --> 00:11:20,080 with a foreign metal object as already part of that story, 236 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:24,317 and that in fact happened in the Texarkana cases. 237 00:11:24,417 --> 00:11:26,820 JOSHUA: But the sexual assault was only part 238 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,857 of The Phantom's trademark signature. 239 00:11:29,957 --> 00:11:30,958 These two people are the only ones 240 00:11:31,058 --> 00:11:34,094 who ever saw The Phantom. 241 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:35,896 Both... wearing masks. 242 00:11:35,996 --> 00:11:38,231 JOSHUA: Right, they both said the guy was wearing a mask. 243 00:11:38,331 --> 00:11:39,432 So this is the whole thing, 244 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:41,869 where the whole white mask thing came from. 245 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:45,973 The Phantom's disguise was another chilling detail 246 00:11:46,073 --> 00:11:47,407 as it also helped to popularize 247 00:11:47,507 --> 00:11:49,977 the most widely known retelling of the murders 248 00:11:50,077 --> 00:11:55,315 in the 1976 cult classic, "The Town That Dreaded Sundown." 249 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:57,985 The movie was thought to be one of the first slasher films, 250 00:11:58,085 --> 00:12:00,320 having predated Halloween by two years, 251 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:02,089 and its take on The Phantom 252 00:12:02,189 --> 00:12:06,326 would influence generations of cinematic boogeymen. 253 00:12:06,426 --> 00:12:08,328 The director, Charles B. Pierce, 254 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:10,864 blurred the lines between fact and fiction 255 00:12:10,964 --> 00:12:14,768 by telling the film in full documentary style. 256 00:12:14,868 --> 00:12:19,039 CHARLES B. PIERCE: It was Sunday, March 3, 1946-- 257 00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:20,874 the beginning of a reign of terror 258 00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:25,078 for the people of Texarkana, a terror so indelibly imprinted 259 00:12:25,178 --> 00:12:29,282 that today, people still speak of it fearfully-- 260 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:33,020 Only the names have been changed. 261 00:12:35,288 --> 00:12:37,024 CASEY ROBERTS: Now I think everybody in Texarkana 262 00:12:37,124 --> 00:12:39,292 knows about the story of The Phantom Killer, 263 00:12:39,392 --> 00:12:41,028 but there's a lot of intermingling 264 00:12:41,128 --> 00:12:44,131 of facts and legend between the movie 265 00:12:44,231 --> 00:12:46,800 and the actual Phantom Killer case. 266 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:48,168 JOSHUA: This is Casey Roberts, 267 00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:51,171 media manager at Texas A&M, Texarkana. 268 00:12:51,271 --> 00:12:53,173 He's done extensive research on the crimes 269 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:55,408 and brought us to one of the locations where 270 00:12:55,508 --> 00:12:57,911 "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" was filmed. 271 00:12:58,011 --> 00:12:59,813 A lot the -- kind of landmarks 272 00:12:59,913 --> 00:13:02,182 from both the original case of The Phantom Killer 273 00:13:02,282 --> 00:13:03,984 and the movie The Town That Dreaded Sundown 274 00:13:04,084 --> 00:13:05,252 have gone away over the years, 275 00:13:05,352 --> 00:13:06,920 and this particular house here 276 00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:10,190 was used in one of the big scenes. 277 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:12,192 JOSHUA: It was Friday, May 3, 278 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:14,461 when Virgil and Katie Starks were attacked in their farmhouse 279 00:13:14,561 --> 00:13:16,796 just outside of town. 280 00:13:17,965 --> 00:13:20,100 Virgil was shot and killed in his armchair... 281 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,201 ( GUNSHOT ) 282 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:22,369 ( SCREAM ) 283 00:13:22,469 --> 00:13:25,138 while Katie, shot in the face, 284 00:13:25,238 --> 00:13:26,874 ran out of the house. 285 00:13:28,608 --> 00:13:31,078 Everybody seems convinced that Youell Swinney is the guy, 286 00:13:31,178 --> 00:13:32,846 but you're saying... 287 00:13:32,946 --> 00:13:35,348 Youell Swinney would have been easy to pin it on, 288 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,885 and they needed to pin it on somebody. 289 00:13:37,985 --> 00:13:39,452 The one person that-- 290 00:13:39,552 --> 00:13:42,455 I haven't been satisfied he was cleared-- 291 00:13:42,555 --> 00:13:44,892 was a young man that committed suicide 292 00:13:44,992 --> 00:13:48,228 and left a note saying that he was The Phantom Killer. 293 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:51,264 It's just part of the legend-- the son of a prominent family, 294 00:13:51,364 --> 00:13:53,867 and it had the connections to, you know, 295 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:56,236 cover up his dirty deed. 296 00:13:57,437 --> 00:13:59,306 JOSHUA: Hoping to dig up more information, 297 00:13:59,406 --> 00:14:01,374 we went searching through the microfiche 298 00:14:01,474 --> 00:14:03,343 of the Texarkana Gazette. 299 00:14:05,012 --> 00:14:06,379 Promising lead proves dud. 300 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,182 So this is the mention of that, Youell Swinney. 301 00:14:09,282 --> 00:14:10,984 The officer had been trying to validate 302 00:14:11,084 --> 00:14:12,352 the story of a woman. 303 00:14:12,452 --> 00:14:14,154 The woman's statement followed so closely 304 00:14:14,254 --> 00:14:15,923 to the known facts of the case 305 00:14:16,023 --> 00:14:18,125 that they are almost positive that she was telling the truth, 306 00:14:18,225 --> 00:14:20,027 and at one point, they were almost to the point 307 00:14:20,127 --> 00:14:21,861 of announcing a break in the case. 308 00:14:21,962 --> 00:14:23,363 Subsequently, however, the woman said 309 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:25,098 that neither she nor her husband 310 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:30,137 had anything to do with the slayings. 311 00:14:30,237 --> 00:14:31,438 It's interesting. 312 00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:33,140 So they don't call him The Phantom at all in this, 313 00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:38,011 but we just saw, literally, 314 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:40,013 the advertisement in the newspaper 315 00:14:40,113 --> 00:14:43,150 for the movie that is showing, The Phantom Speaks. 316 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:46,053 This is the movie that they theoretically 317 00:14:46,153 --> 00:14:47,387 pulled the name from, 318 00:14:47,487 --> 00:14:49,389 and right here at the newspaper, 319 00:14:49,489 --> 00:14:50,557 one of the guys said, 320 00:14:51,524 --> 00:14:52,192 'well, why don't we call him something...' 321 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:54,894 We need to call him something, let's call him The Phantom. 322 00:14:56,129 --> 00:14:58,198 We had just witnessed an important step 323 00:14:58,298 --> 00:15:00,300 in the creation of any urban legend-- 324 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,502 the naming of the boogeyman. 325 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:06,406 BILL ELLIS: One of the roles that urban legends play-- 326 00:15:06,506 --> 00:15:08,976 and this is an ancient function-- 327 00:15:09,076 --> 00:15:12,179 is that they will put a name on something 328 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:15,915 that gives people fears or anxieties. 329 00:15:16,016 --> 00:15:21,054 That gives the person some feeling of control. 330 00:15:21,154 --> 00:15:25,292 So give the murderer a name-- he's The Phantom murderer. 331 00:15:25,392 --> 00:15:29,262 JOSHUA: The mask, the movie, The Phantom. 332 00:15:29,362 --> 00:15:31,464 These were the crucial elements that would help create 333 00:15:31,564 --> 00:15:34,501 Texarkana's very own urban legend-- 334 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:37,070 a legend that would only continue to grow 335 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:39,406 with screenings of "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" 336 00:15:39,506 --> 00:15:43,543 held every year in Texarkana's Spring Lake Park. 337 00:15:43,643 --> 00:15:46,513 All of this area was part of Spring Lake Park... 338 00:15:46,613 --> 00:15:48,215 At the time and this is where-- 339 00:15:48,315 --> 00:15:50,350 a couple of the places where the murders happened. 340 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:53,253 That was where lover's lane was. 341 00:15:53,353 --> 00:15:55,388 You basically set up the screening 342 00:15:55,488 --> 00:15:58,491 that you have of The Town That Dreaded Sundown 343 00:15:58,591 --> 00:16:01,094 at Spring Lake Park. 344 00:16:01,194 --> 00:16:03,997 Yes, we do it every October, and because of the history, 345 00:16:04,097 --> 00:16:07,434 we like the idea of having this out at Spring Lake Park 346 00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:10,237 since that's where some of the murders take place at. 347 00:16:10,337 --> 00:16:11,571 We started getting some phone calls saying 348 00:16:11,671 --> 00:16:13,306 that they didn't think it was right, 349 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:15,508 that there were still families in town... 350 00:16:15,608 --> 00:16:19,346 That, you know, that was affected by this. 351 00:16:19,446 --> 00:16:20,480 The police concern was 352 00:16:21,414 --> 00:16:23,083 that it was going to cause somebody else 353 00:16:23,183 --> 00:16:26,219 to have the idea to start doing it again. 354 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:28,455 A film crew was in town last month... 355 00:16:28,555 --> 00:16:30,523 And there's a new movie being made? 356 00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:33,260 What we've heard is that it was actually a remake 357 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,661 of 'The Town That Dreaded Sundowns .' 358 00:16:35,862 --> 00:16:40,067 It's you know, just probably a more modern version of it. 359 00:16:40,167 --> 00:16:43,170 I've heard that the storyline of the movie 360 00:16:43,270 --> 00:16:47,006 is about a copycat that comes out 361 00:16:47,107 --> 00:16:52,045 from the screenings that happened at Spring Lake. 362 00:16:53,213 --> 00:16:55,148 Are you serious? 363 00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:57,550 That's the first I've heard about that. 364 00:16:57,650 --> 00:17:01,654 Well, you know, imitation of life, I guess. 365 00:17:01,754 --> 00:17:04,124 JOSHUA: While it may seem shocking to some, 366 00:17:04,224 --> 00:17:06,159 the screenings at Spring Lake Park 367 00:17:06,259 --> 00:17:09,396 were especially appropriate because it was here on April 14 368 00:17:09,496 --> 00:17:13,633 where The Phantom turned larger than life. 369 00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:14,767 Four hundred yards 370 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:16,236 from the entrance to Spring Lake Park-- 371 00:17:16,769 --> 00:17:17,237 where the sign is-- 372 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,373 they found Paul Martin's car empty. 373 00:17:20,473 --> 00:17:21,774 In yet another attack, 374 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:24,043 not only had The Phantom murdered two teenagers 375 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:25,512 in the center of town, 376 00:17:25,612 --> 00:17:27,447 but their deaths would incite a panic 377 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:31,451 that would grip Texarkana and never let go. 378 00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:33,420 Betty Jo Booker, age 15, 379 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,422 was a saxophonist for a high school band 380 00:17:35,522 --> 00:17:37,157 called The Rhythmaires 381 00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:40,527 that played weekend shows at the local VFW. 382 00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:43,130 At 1:30 a.m. that Saturday night, 383 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:47,134 she left with a childhood friend named Paul Martin, age 16, 384 00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:50,203 who was supposed to drop her off at a slumber party. 385 00:17:52,339 --> 00:17:55,308 RACHEL: Paul's body was found lying on its left side. 386 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:56,676 Blood was found further down 387 00:17:56,776 --> 00:17:59,112 on the other side of the road by a fence. 388 00:18:04,484 --> 00:18:08,221 Right over here, Paul Martin's body was found. 389 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:09,522 He had been shot twice, 390 00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:13,593 and then he crawled across the street, over to here, 391 00:18:13,693 --> 00:18:16,596 and then whoever did it shot him again twice. 392 00:18:16,696 --> 00:18:18,431 They said he put up a struggle. 393 00:18:18,531 --> 00:18:20,533 He had a bullet through his hand... 394 00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:21,534 Right. 395 00:18:21,634 --> 00:18:22,735 ...Raised his hand, 396 00:18:23,736 --> 00:18:26,373 probably begged not to be killed, and then... 397 00:18:26,473 --> 00:18:28,575 They found him at 6:30 in the morning. 398 00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:32,145 Betty Jo Booker was nowhere around. 399 00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:33,180 JOSHUA: Although supposedly 400 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,347 only the names had been changed 401 00:18:34,447 --> 00:18:35,748 in The Town That Dreaded Sundown, 402 00:18:35,848 --> 00:18:37,617 one of the most egregious fictionalizations 403 00:18:37,717 --> 00:18:40,253 had Betty Jo Booker playing the trombone 404 00:18:40,353 --> 00:18:42,121 instead of the saxophone, 405 00:18:42,222 --> 00:18:45,292 the reason being to show a more terrifying demise. 406 00:18:45,392 --> 00:18:46,859 The scene was so memorable, 407 00:18:46,959 --> 00:18:50,530 some people in town actually think that's how she died. 408 00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:56,536 ( GRUNTS AND GROANS ) 409 00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:02,909 The actual site 410 00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:04,811 of where Betty Jo Booker's body was found, 411 00:19:04,911 --> 00:19:07,314 along the edge of a forgotten road, 412 00:19:07,414 --> 00:19:09,182 had eluded many. 413 00:19:09,282 --> 00:19:10,617 Lost in time when a section of the park 414 00:19:10,717 --> 00:19:12,352 was turned into housing, 415 00:19:12,452 --> 00:19:15,555 this was one mystery we were determined to solve. 416 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:17,824 RACHEL: She was found two miles away 417 00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:20,159 from Martin's body. 418 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:21,228 JOSHUA: The road's closed. 419 00:19:22,629 --> 00:19:26,299 Here's where we think this road continues on. 420 00:19:26,399 --> 00:19:28,435 See that line between those two trees? 421 00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:29,669 Totally. 422 00:19:29,769 --> 00:19:33,273 That's the road that's been overgrown. 423 00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:34,574 ( WHISPERS ) Keep that flashlight down. 424 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:35,742 Just turn it down. 425 00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:41,314 Look at that. 426 00:19:41,414 --> 00:19:42,582 This looked exactly like the older road. 427 00:19:42,682 --> 00:19:44,451 It is the old road basically 428 00:19:44,551 --> 00:19:46,686 that we just went through somebody's backyard to get to. 429 00:19:53,426 --> 00:19:54,561 ( SHRIEKS ) 430 00:19:54,661 --> 00:19:55,662 RACHEL: What is it? 431 00:19:55,762 --> 00:19:56,596 JOSHUA: It's a huge spider web... 432 00:19:58,598 --> 00:20:02,869 It's halfway between the two ends. 433 00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:06,673 This is Betty Jo Booker, 15 years old. 434 00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:08,808 RACHEL: Shot twice, once to the left rib 435 00:20:08,908 --> 00:20:11,511 and once in the face, to the left cheek. 436 00:20:11,611 --> 00:20:13,246 JOSHUA: Well, she's fully clothed.... 437 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,348 RACHEL: Fully clothed, yeah. 438 00:20:15,448 --> 00:20:17,517 JOSHUA: Her overcoat has been buttoned up, 439 00:20:17,617 --> 00:20:19,819 and her hand was put in her pocket. 440 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:25,492 RACHEL: Strange. 441 00:20:25,592 --> 00:20:27,260 See that picture for a second? 442 00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:36,769 JOSHUA: Doesn't it look like it? 443 00:20:36,869 --> 00:20:38,638 It must. 444 00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:40,840 JOSHUA: Like if you're looking at it like that, 445 00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:42,208 add 60 years. 446 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:47,480 JOSHUA: It could be. 447 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:50,517 I feel bad, though. 448 00:20:50,617 --> 00:20:54,621 You know, we're never going to really know who killed her. 449 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:05,665 JOSHUA: What happened to Paul Martin and Betty Jo Booker 450 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:07,934 out on these roads over 60 years ago 451 00:21:08,034 --> 00:21:09,636 was horrific enough. 452 00:21:09,736 --> 00:21:11,604 Their deaths didn't need to be rewritten 453 00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,507 for more blood or gore. 454 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:17,777 Coming out here, you realize that real life is just as scary 455 00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:22,349 as any horror film-- and sometimes even more. 456 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,823 This is Marc Bledsoe, a former probation officer 457 00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:32,492 who was obsessed with the case 458 00:21:32,592 --> 00:21:33,893 and conducted his own investigation. 459 00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:36,929 I developed a passion, I guess in the '90s. 460 00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:40,833 I saw the film, of course, when I was a seventh grader, 461 00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:42,402 and I was pretty scared 462 00:21:42,502 --> 00:21:44,371 because of the way the film ends. 463 00:21:44,471 --> 00:21:45,538 It shows the boots 464 00:21:46,506 --> 00:21:46,806 and said he could still be walking the town. 465 00:21:47,707 --> 00:21:48,675 I wanted to know what the truth was. 466 00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:52,379 JOSHUA: Bledsoe was one of the only people 467 00:21:52,479 --> 00:21:55,748 to interview Youell Swinney in recent years. 468 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:57,584 Swinney, who was out of jail 469 00:21:57,684 --> 00:21:59,386 and living in a Texas nursing home, 470 00:21:59,486 --> 00:22:01,588 had suffered a stroke the year before, 471 00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:03,756 making his speech difficult to decipher. 472 00:22:11,598 --> 00:22:12,865 Fifty -- sixty years? 473 00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:18,505 But she said you and her were together 474 00:22:18,605 --> 00:22:19,639 at Spring Lake Park. 475 00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:22,409 Hear that? 476 00:22:22,509 --> 00:22:24,577 They drove out there together at Spring Lake. What did he say? 477 00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:33,486 RACHEL: No, I wasn't. 478 00:22:33,586 --> 00:22:34,887 MARK: Who do you think was the main... 479 00:22:34,987 --> 00:22:36,856 I don't know. 480 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:40,993 You wish they'd catch him. 481 00:22:41,093 --> 00:22:42,695 RACHEL: Hm, interesting. 482 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:57,510 Hi. I just wanted to check one thing. 483 00:22:57,610 --> 00:22:59,412 They told me you all were videotaping? 484 00:22:59,512 --> 00:23:01,481 Have you all signed the thing? 485 00:23:01,581 --> 00:23:02,515 RACHEL: Ugh! 486 00:23:02,615 --> 00:23:04,484 ( BACKGROUND TALK ) 487 00:23:04,584 --> 00:23:05,918 I feel like there was more there. 488 00:23:06,018 --> 00:23:07,019 ( GROANS ) 489 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,389 ( BACKGROUND TALK ) 490 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:11,858 JOSHUA: Despite being so close, 491 00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:13,660 we still didn't have an answer as to who 492 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,630 The Phantom really was-- and we probably never will. 493 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:19,532 TV NARRATOR: What happened to The Phantom Killer 494 00:23:19,632 --> 00:23:21,768 no one really knows. 495 00:23:21,868 --> 00:23:24,737 Some believe he was convicted of another crime, 496 00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:28,975 and today he is still serving his term in a Kansas prison. 497 00:23:29,075 --> 00:23:30,777 JOSHUA: It's these lack of answers 498 00:23:30,877 --> 00:23:32,779 that allows a legend to endure 499 00:23:32,879 --> 00:23:35,582 for the teenagers in Texarkana. 500 00:23:35,682 --> 00:23:36,849 So, what do you think the next chapter is 501 00:23:36,949 --> 00:23:37,850 in that legend? 502 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:40,419 Probably more ghost stories, 503 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,658 maybe more kids trying to scare other kids. 504 00:23:45,758 --> 00:23:47,960 Do you think it will ever end? 505 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:49,962 I think eventually it will fade out, 506 00:23:50,062 --> 00:23:52,565 but I wouldn't be able to say for how long. 507 00:23:52,665 --> 00:23:55,434 I mean, legends last for a long time. 508 00:23:55,535 --> 00:23:56,736 JOSHUA: So this is the tree where, 509 00:23:56,836 --> 00:23:58,538 because of the movies, some people think 510 00:23:58,638 --> 00:24:02,475 Betty Jo Booker was actually killed with the trombone. 511 00:24:02,575 --> 00:24:05,011 I think why this is so kind of important 512 00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:09,649 is because so many people believed the fiction, 513 00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:10,983 and the fiction became reality, 514 00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:12,051 and in this town-- 515 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:14,053 I really think what's interesting is-- 516 00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:15,622 they can't separate the two. 517 00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:17,557 Well, I think it's more romantic, though, 518 00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:18,625 to believe in the myth 519 00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:21,093 than to have the facts in front of you. 520 00:24:21,193 --> 00:24:22,695 JOSHUA: You have the whole town coming out 521 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:26,666 and watching a fictionalized version of that, 522 00:24:26,766 --> 00:24:28,735 and that's just like little kids 523 00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:32,639 telling a fictionalized version of what really happened. 524 00:24:32,739 --> 00:24:34,874 That's what an urban legend is. 525 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:37,644 Where does the truth end and the fiction begin? 526 00:24:37,744 --> 00:24:40,112 At this point, no one quite knows. 527 00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:43,616 NARRATOR: Texarkana today still looks pretty much the same, 528 00:24:43,716 --> 00:24:45,752 and if you should ask people here on the streets 529 00:24:45,852 --> 00:24:49,088 what they believe happened to The Phantom Killer, 530 00:24:49,188 --> 00:24:51,891 most would say that he is still living here 531 00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:55,562 and is walking free. 532 00:25:14,581 --> 00:25:15,915 So right now, we're driving into Houston. 533 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:18,150 We're going to investigate the urban legend 534 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:19,986 of the Candy Man. 535 00:25:20,086 --> 00:25:21,621 JOSHUA: The name Candy Man 536 00:25:21,721 --> 00:25:23,823 has a lot of urban legend references. 537 00:25:23,923 --> 00:25:26,893 Obviously, one of the most well-known is the film Candyman 538 00:25:26,993 --> 00:25:28,995 based on the Clive Barker short story 539 00:25:29,095 --> 00:25:32,131 about an urban legend expert investigating the boogeyman 540 00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:36,836 who haunts the Cabrini-Green housing projects in Chicago. 541 00:25:36,936 --> 00:25:39,706 VOICE: With my hook for a hand, 542 00:25:39,806 --> 00:25:44,577 I'll split you from your groin to your gullet. 543 00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:46,646 ( SCREAMS AND GRUNTS ) 544 00:25:46,746 --> 00:25:48,047 JOSHUA: Here the Candyman uses a hook, 545 00:25:48,147 --> 00:25:50,116 just like the well-known Hook urban legend 546 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:52,652 where it was probably appropriated from, 547 00:25:52,752 --> 00:25:54,921 but the film's villain wasn't the first Candy Man. 548 00:25:55,021 --> 00:25:56,623 The original was, in fact, 549 00:25:56,723 --> 00:25:59,726 a very real monster behind one of the most horrific crimes 550 00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:01,828 anyone could ever imagine. 551 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:06,666 RACHEL: We've all heard the same story about Halloween. 552 00:26:06,766 --> 00:26:09,068 Little Johnny had been warned never to go trick-or-treating 553 00:26:09,168 --> 00:26:12,839 at any house he didn't know, but he didn't listen. 554 00:26:12,939 --> 00:26:14,707 Instead, he convinces his friends 555 00:26:14,807 --> 00:26:17,644 to go get candy from this one weird house. 556 00:26:17,744 --> 00:26:18,978 Later that night, 557 00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,713 as they're all digging through their loot, 558 00:26:20,813 --> 00:26:22,649 there's this scream. 559 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:24,116 All the kids are rushed to the hospital, 560 00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:25,952 but it's too late. 561 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:28,988 Johnny's dead from eating candy laced with poison, 562 00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:31,991 and all the other kids had their mouths ripped open 563 00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:34,727 from swallowing razor blades and glass. 564 00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:36,829 They never did catch the person who did it. 565 00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:39,031 Turns out, Halloween really comes from 566 00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:42,769 the ancient custom of druids collecting kids for sacrifices, 567 00:26:42,869 --> 00:26:45,672 and apparently these murders were committed by those 568 00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:47,974 who still carry on that evil tradition. 569 00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:51,878 JOSHUA: So does our modern-day custom of trick-or-treating 570 00:26:51,978 --> 00:26:55,848 really stem from evil druids and child sacrifices? 571 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:58,217 It's highly unlikely, but there's no denying 572 00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,953 that something very sinister is out there 573 00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:04,891 instilling panic and inciting fear every Halloween. 574 00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:08,695 FEMALE NARRATOR: There's one magical, 575 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:11,764 haunted evening each year when all the scary creatures 576 00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:14,100 come out to prowl through every neighborhood. 577 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,168 Most people enjoy having trick-or-treaters 578 00:27:16,268 --> 00:27:17,870 come to their doors, 579 00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:22,909 but there are a few people who will do things to hurt kids. 580 00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:25,111 JOSHUA: The first documented case of tainted candy 581 00:27:25,211 --> 00:27:28,047 happened on Long Island in 1964 582 00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:30,082 when a housewife named Helen Pfeil, 583 00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:32,184 upset with older kids for trick-or-treating, 584 00:27:32,284 --> 00:27:35,021 handed out dog biscuits, steel wool, 585 00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:36,923 and poison ant buttons. 586 00:27:37,023 --> 00:27:39,158 Although Pfeil testified that it was just a joke, 587 00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:42,228 she was still found guilty of endangering children. 588 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:44,931 This fear really took root in the 1970s 589 00:27:45,031 --> 00:27:46,833 when outlets like Newsweek were reporting 590 00:27:46,933 --> 00:27:50,970 that several children had died from poison or tainted candy. 591 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:53,940 Some schools stopped celebrating Halloween. 592 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,308 They stopped using the word "Halloween," 593 00:27:56,408 --> 00:27:59,779 and they start talking about having a fall festival. 594 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:05,184 New Jersey passed a law of specifying penalties for people 595 00:28:05,284 --> 00:28:08,154 who were caught contaminating Halloween treats. 596 00:28:08,254 --> 00:28:13,225 In the 1980s, hospitals began offering x-ray treats. 597 00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:15,194 ANNOUNCER: All NextCare Urgent Care locations 598 00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:18,831 are offering free candy X-rays through tomorrow. 599 00:28:18,931 --> 00:28:19,866 We haven't had any instances 600 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,068 where we found any tampered candy, 601 00:28:22,168 --> 00:28:23,269 but you read it in the news 602 00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:25,304 and you see all of these crazy pictures online, 603 00:28:26,205 --> 00:28:27,206 and so, you know, if I were a parent, 604 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:29,842 I would be a little bit concerned as well. 605 00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:34,713 JOEL: We don't worry about ghosts and goblins anymore, 606 00:28:34,814 --> 00:28:36,115 but we fear this maniac, 607 00:28:36,215 --> 00:28:40,219 this anonymous person who is so crazy 608 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:47,093 that he presumably he, poisons little children at random. 609 00:28:47,193 --> 00:28:48,227 ( BACKGROUND TALKING ) 610 00:28:49,161 --> 00:28:50,362 I think about how much fun Halloween is. 611 00:28:51,297 --> 00:28:53,065 I also worry a little bit about the things 612 00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:55,902 that can spoil the fun of Halloween. 613 00:28:56,002 --> 00:28:59,772 Those kinds of things scare me, too, but in a different way. 614 00:29:01,373 --> 00:29:03,042 JOSHUA: The one case of tainted candy 615 00:29:03,142 --> 00:29:05,845 that seemed to bring this nightmare to life 616 00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:09,348 happened on a rainy Halloween night in Pasadena, Texas. 617 00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,117 The perpetrator of this evil crime 618 00:29:11,217 --> 00:29:14,887 is known to some as the man who killed Halloween 619 00:29:14,987 --> 00:29:19,158 and to others as simply the Candy Man. 620 00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:21,961 On October 31, 1974, 621 00:29:22,061 --> 00:29:24,897 after trick-or-treating with their friends, the Bateses, 622 00:29:24,997 --> 00:29:27,900 Ronald O'Bryan let his son Timothy, age 8, 623 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,902 and his sister Elizabeth, 5, 624 00:29:30,002 --> 00:29:32,404 each pick out a piece of candy before bed. 625 00:29:32,504 --> 00:29:35,174 Timothy, still wearing his Planet of the Apes costume, 626 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:37,009 chose a giant Pixy Styx, 627 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:38,811 one of five that his father had gotten 628 00:29:38,911 --> 00:29:40,813 from a neighborhood house that night. 629 00:29:40,913 --> 00:29:43,049 Ronald had divvyed up the other Styx to his daughter, 630 00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:44,316 one of the Bates' kids, 631 00:29:44,416 --> 00:29:47,019 and a local boy named Whitney Parker. 632 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:48,787 The sugar inside had clumped together, 633 00:29:48,888 --> 00:29:50,890 so Ronald rolled the Styx in his hands 634 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:53,425 before pouring the powder down his son's throat. 635 00:29:53,525 --> 00:29:56,128 Minutes later, Timothy was violently vomiting, 636 00:29:56,228 --> 00:29:58,064 and after being rushed to the hospital, 637 00:29:58,164 --> 00:30:00,032 he was pronounced dead. 638 00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:02,434 The cause-- cyanide poisoning. 639 00:30:02,534 --> 00:30:06,038 I was off duty at the time on Halloween night 640 00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:09,876 when I received a call from one of my detectives. 641 00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:11,810 I drove to Southmore Hospital, 642 00:30:11,911 --> 00:30:14,113 and what I saw was very, very disturbing-- 643 00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:17,349 not only because there was a child there that was dead 644 00:30:17,449 --> 00:30:20,920 that had cyanide foam coming out of his mouth, 645 00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:25,091 but it was a small, blond-headed young boy, 646 00:30:25,191 --> 00:30:26,292 and I looked at this child-- 647 00:30:27,293 --> 00:30:30,062 and I had at the time a small, blond-headed, 648 00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:33,299 eight-year-old son lying in a bed in my home-- 649 00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:38,370 and it absolutely just almost destroyed you 650 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:41,040 to see something like that. 651 00:30:41,140 --> 00:30:42,308 JOSHUA: Had you ever heard of the idea of 652 00:30:42,408 --> 00:30:44,843 candy tampering before that? 653 00:30:44,944 --> 00:30:46,045 ED: I had heard about it-- 654 00:30:46,145 --> 00:30:47,346 I had never seen it personally, 655 00:30:48,447 --> 00:30:51,884 but you know, you're always concerned on Halloween, 656 00:30:51,984 --> 00:30:56,022 and the next night we had a grieving father, 657 00:30:56,122 --> 00:30:59,291 a grieving mother, and a grieving little sister. 658 00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:01,994 I put my arm around Mr. O'Bryan's shoulder 659 00:31:02,094 --> 00:31:06,032 and I promised him, "I promise you we will catch 660 00:31:06,132 --> 00:31:08,867 this individual that did this to your son." 661 00:31:10,036 --> 00:31:12,138 JOSHUA: Timothy's death was a terrible blow, 662 00:31:12,238 --> 00:31:15,274 not just for the family, but for many in Pasadena. 663 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:17,343 As crowds of O'Bryan's fellow churchgoers 664 00:31:17,443 --> 00:31:19,145 flooded the cemetery, 665 00:31:19,245 --> 00:31:22,214 Timothy's father quickly reduced the mourners to tears 666 00:31:22,314 --> 00:31:26,885 as he sang a hymn for the boy who was now in Heaven. 667 00:31:26,986 --> 00:31:29,288 I introduced myself to Mr. O'Bryan 668 00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:32,191 and said I'm a reporter for the Houston Chronicle. 669 00:31:32,291 --> 00:31:35,161 Is Mrs. O'Bryan available to talk? 670 00:31:35,261 --> 00:31:38,097 He said, you know, she's really, as we all are, 671 00:31:38,197 --> 00:31:41,100 just torn up about this, but if you want to talk, 672 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,270 come on in, and I'll try to talk to you. 673 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:47,239 And he said, you know, I held my son in my arms 674 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:51,310 while he died, and I cried. 675 00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,013 I thought that they had been victimized 676 00:31:54,113 --> 00:31:57,916 by a random crazy man, lunatic. 677 00:31:58,017 --> 00:32:01,553 The original suspects were people in Pasadena 678 00:32:01,653 --> 00:32:04,556 who were living inhabitants of the homes 679 00:32:04,656 --> 00:32:07,459 where they did the trick-or-treat. 680 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,361 RACHEL: 4108, 4106, 681 00:32:11,197 --> 00:32:12,198 -102. 682 00:32:12,298 --> 00:32:14,233 JOSHUA: Right here. 683 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:15,567 4102. 684 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:17,936 So right here is the Bates' house 685 00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:21,473 from where O'Bryan and the Bateses 686 00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:23,342 both went trick-or-treating. 687 00:32:23,442 --> 00:32:24,576 JOSHUA: After the funeral, 688 00:32:24,676 --> 00:32:27,146 the police took O'Bryan around the Bates' neighborhood, 689 00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:28,347 but he couldn't remember the house 690 00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:30,282 where he had gotten the Pixy Styk. 691 00:32:30,382 --> 00:32:34,053 Finally, he ID'd a neighbor named Courtney Melvin. 692 00:32:34,153 --> 00:32:37,389 Ten, right here where this blue car is. 693 00:32:37,489 --> 00:32:39,958 This is Courtney Melvin's place, 694 00:32:40,059 --> 00:32:43,062 so basically Courtney was out on his lawn. 695 00:32:43,162 --> 00:32:45,431 O'Bryan was driving by, fingered this guy 696 00:32:45,531 --> 00:32:48,434 as being the person where he got the Pixy Styx. 697 00:32:48,534 --> 00:32:49,968 The only problem being 698 00:32:50,069 --> 00:32:52,404 Courtney Melvin had an airtight alibi. 699 00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:57,043 As the killer continued to elude police, 700 00:32:57,143 --> 00:32:58,444 the nature of his crime 701 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:01,247 only seemed to confirm everyone's worst fears-- 702 00:33:01,347 --> 00:33:03,382 a fear that still resonates today. 703 00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:05,384 Do you know about the crime that happened? 704 00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:08,287 Oh, yes, you're talking about The Candy Man. 705 00:33:08,387 --> 00:33:09,288 JOSHUA: Yeah. 706 00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:11,090 Uh-hm. That was the first step 707 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:13,125 that I heard of people doing that... 708 00:33:13,225 --> 00:33:15,627 And then I heard of them putting more cyanide 709 00:33:15,727 --> 00:33:17,363 and razor blades. 710 00:33:17,463 --> 00:33:19,098 I've heard fish hooks. 711 00:33:19,198 --> 00:33:21,433 The way society is getting right now, I mean, 712 00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:23,102 you don't ever know what's going to happen. 713 00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:26,405 I'm like, nope, no candy until I look, you know, through it. 714 00:33:26,505 --> 00:33:27,406 RACHEL: What are you looking for? 715 00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,241 You know, an open wrapper, 716 00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,510 just seeing if anything has a hole in it. 717 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:32,578 You don't trust nobody. 718 00:33:32,678 --> 00:33:34,513 - JOSHUA: Yeah. - Can't. 719 00:33:34,613 --> 00:33:36,182 I actually heard about some guy doing it 720 00:33:36,282 --> 00:33:37,416 in this neighborhood one time, but... 721 00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:38,684 What's that story. 722 00:33:39,751 --> 00:33:41,287 I think he actually lived over there by the ditch. 723 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:44,323 And they do all sacrifice crap over there during Halloween. 724 00:33:44,423 --> 00:33:46,392 Do you think there are Satanists around? 725 00:33:46,492 --> 00:33:47,526 There probably is. 726 00:33:47,626 --> 00:33:49,195 I mean, knowing this neighborhood-- 727 00:33:49,295 --> 00:33:50,496 there are sickos around here. 728 00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:52,064 ON T.V: Tonight is Halloween 729 00:33:52,164 --> 00:33:54,433 and children will be out to trick-or-treat. 730 00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:56,668 We hope that the treats will be many 731 00:33:56,768 --> 00:33:58,304 and the tricks ingenious. 732 00:33:58,404 --> 00:34:00,172 But sometimes people give children 733 00:34:00,272 --> 00:34:02,308 bad things on Halloween. 734 00:34:02,408 --> 00:34:03,775 In Shreveport, Louisiana, 735 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,312 an old legend that actually happened this time. 736 00:34:06,412 --> 00:34:07,713 Halloween is on Sunday, 737 00:34:07,813 --> 00:34:09,315 and there is a spreading fear that this year, 738 00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:10,716 the real Halloween scare 739 00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:14,052 will be many more cases of contaminated treats. 740 00:34:15,187 --> 00:34:17,589 JOEL: The term that gets used is "Halloween sadist." 741 00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:20,126 People assume that the Halloween sadist 742 00:34:20,226 --> 00:34:24,130 was some crazy person who, for some reason-- 743 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:28,100 presumably you know, some psychological problem-- 744 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,104 gets pleasure or satisfaction from hurting little kids. 745 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:36,242 JOSHUA: Many people believe 746 00:34:36,342 --> 00:34:38,610 the Halloween sadist was behind Timothy's death, 747 00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:41,113 but the real culprit was more horrific 748 00:34:41,213 --> 00:34:42,648 than anyone had ever imagined. 749 00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:49,221 It's down here, I think, on the left. 750 00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:52,724 All right, so Gray, how do you want to do this? 751 00:34:52,824 --> 00:34:54,326 I'll just, I'll hang back here. 752 00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:56,228 JOSHUA: Okay. So we're going to go up. 753 00:34:56,328 --> 00:34:57,529 I'm not totally into this. 754 00:34:57,629 --> 00:34:58,697 I can understand. 755 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:00,599 I can understand why you'd want to do this... 756 00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:01,800 JOSHUA: Yeah. 757 00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:03,469 It just makes me feel a little uncomfortable. 758 00:35:04,136 --> 00:35:04,636 Knocking on someone's house 759 00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:07,339 and telling them what tragedy happened here. 760 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:08,540 JOSHUA: Well, you wouldn't want to know? 761 00:35:14,513 --> 00:35:15,614 Oh, hey, how are you? 762 00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:17,149 Hi, how are you? 763 00:35:18,284 --> 00:35:19,251 Hey, sorry to bother you. We wanted to talk to you. 764 00:35:20,386 --> 00:35:21,320 We're doing a documentary and wanted to talk to you 765 00:35:22,188 --> 00:35:23,355 about the family that lived here before. 766 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:24,390 Do you know him? 767 00:35:25,224 --> 00:35:25,257 Do you know Ronald Clark O'Bryan? 768 00:35:25,724 --> 00:35:26,392 WOMAN: Uh-uh. 769 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:28,394 No, you have no idea about him? 770 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:32,398 Nah, don't worry about it. 771 00:35:33,399 --> 00:35:34,633 Thanks very much. 772 00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:37,336 You want to know? Do you really want to know? 773 00:35:37,436 --> 00:35:38,604 Do you really want to know? 774 00:35:38,704 --> 00:35:40,439 So the guy who lived in here 775 00:35:40,539 --> 00:35:42,674 was a guy named Ronald Clark O'Bryan. 776 00:35:42,774 --> 00:35:44,543 He gave his son a poison Pixy Styk. 777 00:35:46,412 --> 00:35:48,146 Yeah. He killed... 778 00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:51,149 That's right. 779 00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:55,153 NEWS READER ON T.V: On Halloween night, 780 00:35:55,254 --> 00:35:57,689 eight-year-old Timothy O'Bryan of Pasadena, Texas, 781 00:35:57,789 --> 00:36:00,459 died after eating a piece of trick-or-treat candy 782 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:02,194 that contained cyanide. 783 00:36:02,294 --> 00:36:04,696 Today Pasadena police arrested the boy's father, 784 00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:07,333 30-year-old Ronald O'Bryan, on murder charges. 785 00:36:07,433 --> 00:36:09,167 Police refused to discuss the case 786 00:36:09,268 --> 00:36:10,802 other than to say the district attorney believes 787 00:36:10,902 --> 00:36:14,306 he has sufficient evidence to file charges. 788 00:36:16,642 --> 00:36:19,177 JOSHUA: After receiving a call from an insurance agent, 789 00:36:19,278 --> 00:36:21,680 police discovered O'Bryan had taken out a large policy 790 00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:25,384 on his kids but not himself nor his wife. 791 00:36:25,484 --> 00:36:26,552 Even more damning, 792 00:36:27,819 --> 00:36:28,887 he had talked to numerous people about death by cyanide 793 00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:31,323 and had even tried to buy the chemical 794 00:36:31,423 --> 00:36:32,591 from local companies. 795 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:36,628 All evidence pointed to Timothy's father 796 00:36:36,728 --> 00:36:39,598 as the killer which, as horrific as it sounds, 797 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,367 makes some sense, 798 00:36:41,467 --> 00:36:44,403 and that's because the Halloween sadist is a myth, 799 00:36:44,503 --> 00:36:45,804 and the notion of candy tampering 800 00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:49,675 is really an urban legend. 801 00:36:49,775 --> 00:36:52,478 The idea that this is a big social problem is a myth. 802 00:36:52,578 --> 00:36:54,680 I can't tell you nobody has ever contaminated 803 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:56,348 a piece of candy, 804 00:36:57,616 --> 00:37:01,853 but I can't find any evidence that anybody has ever been hurt, 805 00:37:01,953 --> 00:37:05,491 seriously hurt or killed, from a contaminated treat 806 00:37:05,591 --> 00:37:07,393 picked up in the course of trick-or-treating. 807 00:37:07,493 --> 00:37:08,394 JOSHUA: If there's no such thing 808 00:37:08,494 --> 00:37:09,595 as the Halloween sadist, 809 00:37:09,695 --> 00:37:12,531 who is, in fact, doing that? 810 00:37:12,631 --> 00:37:14,366 ( CHUCKLES ) Probably the kids. 811 00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:15,534 If you think about it, 812 00:37:15,634 --> 00:37:17,536 this is a terrific kind of prank. 813 00:37:17,636 --> 00:37:19,805 It's easy enough to come by a pin, 814 00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:22,408 easy enough to stick it in the candy bar, 815 00:37:22,508 --> 00:37:24,810 and then run in and say, look Mom, 816 00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:26,745 there's a pin in my candy bar-- 817 00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:29,715 and you become the object of the concerned attention 818 00:37:29,815 --> 00:37:32,884 of your parents and possibly even the press 819 00:37:32,984 --> 00:37:34,353 and the police. 820 00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:38,390 JOSHUA: While the fear of tainted candy may be hysteria, 821 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:40,526 Timothy's death was real-- 822 00:37:40,626 --> 00:37:42,328 but was it really conceivable 823 00:37:42,428 --> 00:37:43,895 that a father could kill his own child-- 824 00:37:43,995 --> 00:37:49,401 and if so, what kind of monster was Ronald Clark O'Bryan? 825 00:37:49,501 --> 00:37:52,604 Look at that lying son of a bitch. 826 00:37:52,704 --> 00:37:55,441 I thought just like Mr. O'Bryan wanted us to think-- 827 00:37:55,541 --> 00:37:56,808 that there was some maniac out there 828 00:37:57,976 --> 00:38:01,513 randomly giving these poison Pixy Styx to little kids. 829 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:03,349 That's exactly what he wanted us to think, 830 00:38:03,449 --> 00:38:04,650 and that's what we thought. 831 00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:10,522 It's hard to accept that a human being 832 00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:11,790 was willing to do that, 833 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:16,562 and it's still difficult for all of us. 834 00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:21,733 The people in this case were forever affected by what he did 835 00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:24,703 and by that, I mean the Bates kids-- 836 00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:27,673 he was going to kill his friends own two kids-- 837 00:38:27,773 --> 00:38:30,442 and little Whitney Parker, 838 00:38:30,542 --> 00:38:31,843 and he would have killed his daughter 839 00:38:33,044 --> 00:38:34,546 if the ambulance and police hadn't gotten there so fast. 840 00:38:35,781 --> 00:38:37,916 No good prosecutor wants to go to trial at all on anything 841 00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:39,851 unless they believe in their own heart 842 00:38:39,951 --> 00:38:42,954 that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, 843 00:38:43,054 --> 00:38:45,624 and seeking the death penalty is just an extra dimension 844 00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:49,595 of care and consideration that should be given. 845 00:38:49,695 --> 00:38:50,696 You wanted to keep the case. 846 00:38:50,796 --> 00:38:51,963 I sure did. Why? 847 00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:53,499 I wanted to hopefully have a hand 848 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,434 in seeing that justice was done 849 00:38:55,534 --> 00:38:57,436 and that he would die for what he did. 850 00:38:59,438 --> 00:39:01,339 JOSHUA: It took a jury only 45 minutes 851 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,941 to find O'Bryan guilty 852 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:06,378 and another 75 to sentence him to death. 853 00:39:06,478 --> 00:39:07,946 In a fitting irony, 854 00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:13,819 he was scheduled to die on October 31, 1976, Halloween. 855 00:39:13,919 --> 00:39:15,887 VOICE OF O'BRYAN: I have stated from the very beginning 856 00:39:15,987 --> 00:39:19,558 that I had absolutely nothing at all to do with this. 857 00:39:19,658 --> 00:39:21,427 I maintain that now, 858 00:39:21,527 --> 00:39:23,629 and I'll willing to take a polygraph now, 859 00:39:23,729 --> 00:39:25,764 just like I was from the very first time 860 00:39:25,864 --> 00:39:26,865 that they arrested me. 861 00:39:26,965 --> 00:39:28,634 Because I have no guilt, 862 00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:31,437 I'm not worried about what happens to my physical body. 863 00:39:31,537 --> 00:39:34,473 When I die, I know where I'm going. 864 00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:37,509 MIKE: You're going straight to hell, buddy. 865 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:38,944 INTERVIEWER: All these appeals have been turned down 866 00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,779 appeal after appeal, and everybody is saying 867 00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:43,381 you will be executed this Saturday. 868 00:39:43,482 --> 00:39:45,784 This could be your last news conference. 869 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:47,819 What are your final thoughts? 870 00:39:47,919 --> 00:39:48,820 VOICE OF O'BRYAN: As long as I have 871 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,790 verifiable options open to me, 872 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,024 I will pursue them. 873 00:39:53,124 --> 00:39:55,961 INTERVIEWER: Are you ever going to change 874 00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:58,564 your proclamation of innocence or... 875 00:39:58,664 --> 00:40:00,999 VOICE OF O'BRYAN: No, why should I? It's the truth. 876 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:02,734 When you consider victims, 877 00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:06,404 the victim of this crime actually turns out to be me. 878 00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:09,475 JOSHUA: O'Bryan had been sent 879 00:40:09,575 --> 00:40:11,677 to Texas's infamous Huntsville Prison 880 00:40:11,777 --> 00:40:13,078 which to this day, 881 00:40:13,178 --> 00:40:15,781 houses the most active death chamber in the US, 882 00:40:15,881 --> 00:40:17,549 but this was 1982, 883 00:40:17,649 --> 00:40:19,751 and after a lengthy debate in the Supreme Court 884 00:40:19,851 --> 00:40:21,687 and numerous stays of execution, 885 00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:24,055 O'Bryan was to be one of the very first inmates 886 00:40:24,155 --> 00:40:27,759 to be executed with the reinstituted death penalty. 887 00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:29,528 Yet, despite his crime, 888 00:40:29,628 --> 00:40:32,430 O'Bryan still managed to find his supporters. 889 00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:33,699 There were people 890 00:40:34,766 --> 00:40:37,969 who were in favor of saving Ronald Clark O'Bryan 891 00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:40,005 in spite of the overwhelming evidence 892 00:40:40,105 --> 00:40:41,673 and the horror of the crime. 893 00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:42,974 Their position was 894 00:40:44,075 --> 00:40:46,778 we are categorically opposed to the death penalty. 895 00:40:46,878 --> 00:40:48,980 There also were counter-protestors 896 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,583 who were in favor of the death penalty. 897 00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:53,552 They included a lot of students 898 00:40:53,652 --> 00:40:55,687 from the university located here 899 00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:58,056 including many who complained 900 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,559 about what had happened to Halloween. 901 00:41:07,866 --> 00:41:09,100 This is Ronald Clark O'Bryan. 902 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,603 Mr. O'Bryan is 39 years old. 903 00:41:11,703 --> 00:41:14,005 It looks like you are going to be executed. 904 00:41:14,105 --> 00:41:15,574 Would you agree with that? 905 00:41:15,674 --> 00:41:16,908 It's a possibility. 906 00:41:17,008 --> 00:41:18,677 I've been aware of that possibility 907 00:41:18,777 --> 00:41:20,946 since the sentence was handed down. 908 00:41:21,046 --> 00:41:22,848 It doesn't make it right. 909 00:41:22,948 --> 00:41:24,115 It's fair to say 910 00:41:25,183 --> 00:41:26,585 that nobody gets any joy out of executing anybody, 911 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:28,854 but it is also clear that most Americans 912 00:41:28,954 --> 00:41:31,056 want to get on with this. 913 00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:33,725 They are upset that you're alive. 914 00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:36,595 I-I can see that point, sure, but here again, 915 00:41:36,695 --> 00:41:38,129 I don't think that revenge is right. 916 00:41:38,229 --> 00:41:40,566 I don't think society is entitled to revenge. 917 00:41:40,666 --> 00:41:43,935 You are accused of ruining Halloween for everybody. 918 00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:46,137 Well, that's a matter of opinion. 919 00:41:46,237 --> 00:41:48,907 ( CHUCKLES ) 920 00:41:49,007 --> 00:41:51,142 JOSHUA: March 31, 1984, 921 00:41:51,242 --> 00:41:54,746 the day of O'Bryan's execution had finally arrived. 922 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:57,883 He was to be executed just after midnight. 923 00:41:57,983 --> 00:42:00,619 As the hour approached, the frenzy outside 924 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,854 reached a fever pitch. 925 00:42:02,954 --> 00:42:04,923 NEWS REPORTER: Demonstrators were outside the prison 926 00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:07,826 waiting for the announcement they wanted to hear. 927 00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:10,929 Parents of other murdered children joined the vigil. 928 00:42:11,029 --> 00:42:13,098 You know, how could anyone do something to their own child? 929 00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:14,099 NEWS REPORTER: Dying together. 930 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,634 What all of us would give 931 00:42:15,734 --> 00:42:17,736 to have the chance to have ours back. 932 00:42:20,338 --> 00:42:22,941 JOSHUA: Do you think Halloween will ever be the same again? 933 00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:26,978 Oh, I don't think Halloween has changed a great deal, 934 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,016 except maybe gotten a little safer. 935 00:42:33,084 --> 00:42:35,020 JOSHUA: At exactly 12:40 a.m. 936 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,123 O'Bryan was injected with a lethal cocktail of drugs, 937 00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:39,791 twice the normal amount, 938 00:42:39,891 --> 00:42:42,694 to account for his 250-pound weight. 939 00:42:42,794 --> 00:42:44,129 After O'Bryan's eyes fluttered, 940 00:42:44,229 --> 00:42:47,065 his chest heaved, and it was over. 941 00:42:49,034 --> 00:42:50,602 NEWS READER ON T.V: Ronald O'Bryan, 942 00:42:50,702 --> 00:42:52,671 the man fellow inmates called The Candy Man, 943 00:42:52,771 --> 00:42:54,840 was killed by lethal injection this morning 944 00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:56,708 at a Huntsville, Texas, prison. 945 00:42:56,808 --> 00:42:58,844 ON T.V: Ronald O'Bryan went to his deathbed 946 00:42:58,944 --> 00:43:01,947 never admitting that he killed his own son. 947 00:43:02,047 --> 00:43:03,048 ( BACKGROUND CONVERSATION ) 948 00:43:03,148 --> 00:43:04,582 SUSAN: But in a final statement, 949 00:43:04,683 --> 00:43:06,785 the condemned man did ask to be forgiven. 950 00:43:06,885 --> 00:43:09,821 ...Also to anyone I have offended in any way 951 00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:12,924 during my 39 years. 952 00:43:13,024 --> 00:43:14,993 I pray and ask your forgiveness, 953 00:43:15,093 --> 00:43:18,129 just as I forgive anyone who offended me in any way. 954 00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:20,198 SUSAN: Ronald O'Bryan is dead. 955 00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:24,002 His ex-wife sees the execution as the end of a nightmare, 956 00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:27,005 and a chance for a brand new beginning. 957 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,142 JOSHUA: For many the idea that we were killing the man 958 00:43:31,242 --> 00:43:34,612 who killed Halloween seemed justified. 959 00:43:34,713 --> 00:43:38,684 O'Bryan had to die so we could have our fun back. 960 00:43:38,784 --> 00:43:40,952 People were celebrating it, there's no question about it, 961 00:43:41,052 --> 00:43:44,055 but it was kind of a catharsis, really, 962 00:43:44,155 --> 00:43:46,892 and people welcomed the event. 963 00:43:46,992 --> 00:43:51,697 He really had not just desecrated the family tie, 964 00:43:51,797 --> 00:43:54,132 but he had actually in some fundamental way 965 00:43:54,232 --> 00:43:57,836 desecrated the idea of Halloween 966 00:43:57,936 --> 00:44:04,676 by taking a scary story and literally making it true. 967 00:44:04,776 --> 00:44:06,044 What he did is 968 00:44:06,144 --> 00:44:08,079 he used the urban legend as a smokescreen. 969 00:44:08,179 --> 00:44:10,949 He used it as an alibi. 970 00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:12,183 I couldn't have done it 971 00:44:12,283 --> 00:44:14,285 because this is the sort of thing 972 00:44:14,385 --> 00:44:17,155 that an anonymous creepy killer would do, 973 00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:20,258 and we all know that because of urban legends. 974 00:44:20,358 --> 00:44:21,927 JOSHUA: In the ultimate irony, 975 00:44:22,027 --> 00:44:24,996 O'Bryan's decision to enact the tainted candy myth 976 00:44:25,096 --> 00:44:27,999 turned fiction into reality, 977 00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:31,837 allowing The Candy Man to continue haunting Halloween 978 00:44:31,937 --> 00:44:33,705 for generations to come. 979 00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:39,677 Look, it's right there. 980 00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:44,850 INTERVIEWER: Mr. O'Bryan, your case 981 00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:49,821 has probably created terror in the hearts of parents. 982 00:44:49,921 --> 00:44:52,157 In fact, I'm told that the inmates 983 00:44:52,257 --> 00:44:55,794 occasionally refer to you as The Candy Man, is that so? 984 00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:04,169 JOSHUA: A babysitter is watching TV 985 00:45:04,269 --> 00:45:05,837 after putting the kids to bed 986 00:45:05,937 --> 00:45:08,173 when she gets a call from a mysterious stranger. 987 00:45:08,273 --> 00:45:11,743 ( PHONE RINGS ) 988 00:45:11,843 --> 00:45:12,811 Hello. 989 00:45:12,911 --> 00:45:14,846 Have you checked the children? 990 00:45:14,946 --> 00:45:16,214 What? 991 00:45:16,314 --> 00:45:17,983 JOSHUA: Thinking it's a prank, she hangs up. 992 00:45:18,083 --> 00:45:19,217 A few minutes later, 993 00:45:19,317 --> 00:45:20,919 the same mysterious man calls again. 994 00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:21,953 Hello? 995 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:24,089 Have you checked the children? 996 00:45:24,189 --> 00:45:25,791 JOSHUA: Only now the question ends 997 00:45:25,891 --> 00:45:27,258 with a devilish laugh. 998 00:45:27,358 --> 00:45:29,294 The babysitter reports the call. 999 00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:31,029 Hello, could you get me the police. 1000 00:45:31,129 --> 00:45:33,865 I've been getting weird phone calls. 1001 00:45:33,965 --> 00:45:35,934 JOSHUA: After a few minutes, a hurried voice calls back. 1002 00:45:36,034 --> 00:45:37,803 ( PHONE RINGS ) 1003 00:45:37,903 --> 00:45:39,170 Leave me alone! 1004 00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:40,405 SGT. SACHAR: Jill, this is Sergeant Sachar. 1005 00:45:40,505 --> 00:45:42,273 Listen to me. We've traced the call. 1006 00:45:42,373 --> 00:45:44,242 The caller is in the house. 1007 00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:46,878 The calls are coming from the house. 1008 00:45:46,978 --> 00:45:48,947 It's coming from inside the house. 1009 00:45:49,047 --> 00:45:51,216 JOSHUA: Just at that moment, the babysitter looks over 1010 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:53,885 as a man is coming down the stairs. 1011 00:45:53,985 --> 00:45:56,888 ( SCREAM ) 1012 00:45:59,124 --> 00:46:02,027 Well, that really happened to a girl in my hometown. 1013 00:46:02,127 --> 00:46:04,896 ( CHUCKLES ) Oh, yes. I'm sure it did. 1014 00:46:04,996 --> 00:46:07,765 I'm sure most of you grew up 1015 00:46:07,866 --> 00:46:11,102 thinking that this happened to girls in all your hometowns, 1016 00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:13,471 but it didn't. 1017 00:46:14,572 --> 00:46:17,175 JOSHUA: Yes, the babysitter and the man upstairs 1018 00:46:17,275 --> 00:46:19,010 is a popular urban legend, 1019 00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:21,346 but is there any truth behind it? 1020 00:46:21,446 --> 00:46:24,215 One would think so considering all these examples, 1021 00:46:24,315 --> 00:46:26,284 but when dealing with urban legends, 1022 00:46:26,384 --> 00:46:28,920 the truth is never quite what it seems. 1023 00:46:34,325 --> 00:46:35,894 RACHEL: When I think babysitter, 1024 00:46:35,994 --> 00:46:37,395 I think about me babysitting as a teenager 1025 00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:39,931 and how fearful I was. 1026 00:46:40,031 --> 00:46:42,400 You know, being in a strange house, 1027 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,971 hearing strange sounds, not being familiar, 1028 00:46:46,071 --> 00:46:46,972 but what was interesting 1029 00:46:47,072 --> 00:46:49,340 is that I started researching babysitters, 1030 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,309 thinking that I wouldn't have a hard time 1031 00:46:51,409 --> 00:46:53,044 finding a case of a babysitter 1032 00:46:53,144 --> 00:46:56,447 by following some kind of death or kidnapping, 1033 00:46:56,547 --> 00:47:00,085 the children upstairs being killed or whatever. 1034 00:47:00,185 --> 00:47:02,921 It's very difficult to find any true crimes 1035 00:47:03,021 --> 00:47:04,222 to connect this urban legend line. 1036 00:47:04,322 --> 00:47:06,024 STEPHEN WINICK: One thing that's interesting 1037 00:47:06,124 --> 00:47:09,127 about babysitting is that it doesn't increase your danger 1038 00:47:09,227 --> 00:47:10,996 of being attacked at all. 1039 00:47:11,096 --> 00:47:13,331 It would be a completely random event 1040 00:47:13,431 --> 00:47:17,903 for a babysitter to be attacked during a house burglary, 1041 00:47:18,003 --> 00:47:21,239 but it induces anxiety because suddenly 1042 00:47:21,339 --> 00:47:23,875 they're responsible for these other people's kids, 1043 00:47:23,975 --> 00:47:25,376 and it has nothing to do with your potential 1044 00:47:25,476 --> 00:47:27,012 for becoming a crime victim-- 1045 00:47:27,112 --> 00:47:29,447 but it may be getting it expressed in stories 1046 00:47:29,547 --> 00:47:31,950 in which the babysitter becomes the crime victim. 1047 00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:33,451 JOSHUA: You would think with the amount of babysitters 1048 00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:35,353 getting killed in popular culture now, 1049 00:47:35,453 --> 00:47:37,989 like, we would have just like gotten a case immediately. 1050 00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:39,457 Oh, it took me to going back to the '50s 1051 00:47:39,557 --> 00:47:41,359 to actually find one. 1052 00:47:41,459 --> 00:47:44,029 We found this case of Janett Christman 1053 00:47:44,129 --> 00:47:47,365 here in Columbia, Missouri, which is why we're here. 1054 00:47:55,006 --> 00:47:58,343 My name is Carol Haley Holt, 1055 00:47:58,443 --> 00:48:03,081 and I was a very good friend of Janett Christman 1056 00:48:03,181 --> 00:48:08,053 from first grade through the time of her death. 1057 00:48:09,454 --> 00:48:14,025 It was March 18, 1950. 1058 00:48:14,125 --> 00:48:18,263 Janett was babysitting for the Romack family 1059 00:48:18,363 --> 00:48:20,932 out kind of in the west edge of Columbia-- 1060 00:48:21,032 --> 00:48:23,501 it really wasn't in the city limits. 1061 00:48:23,601 --> 00:48:26,437 It was kind of an eerie night. 1062 00:48:26,537 --> 00:48:30,942 I also was babysitting, and I just felt uneasy, 1063 00:48:31,042 --> 00:48:32,310 and that was unusual for me 1064 00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:34,479 because I did quite a bit of babysitting-- 1065 00:48:34,579 --> 00:48:39,150 but I just felt that something was going on about 12 o'clock, 1066 00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:41,186 and I even got up to check the door 1067 00:48:41,286 --> 00:48:42,287 and make sure it was locked, 1068 00:48:42,387 --> 00:48:43,454 went in to check the little boy-- 1069 00:48:43,554 --> 00:48:45,456 he was fine. 1070 00:48:45,556 --> 00:48:48,994 And then the next morning, the phone rang. 1071 00:48:49,094 --> 00:48:51,162 My mother went in to answer 1072 00:48:51,262 --> 00:48:53,064 and told me that Janett had been killed 1073 00:48:53,164 --> 00:48:54,299 while she was babysitting. 1074 00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:56,667 JOSHUA: I had heard that 1075 00:48:56,767 --> 00:48:59,337 there had been a phone call to the police. 1076 00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:02,073 Well, Mrs. Romack tried to call 1077 00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:06,211 to check on Janett with the thunder, 1078 00:49:06,311 --> 00:49:08,980 and she was afraid the little boy might wake up-- 1079 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,217 and she tried to call and received a busy signal. 1080 00:49:12,317 --> 00:49:13,551 ( BUSY TONE ON PHONE ) 1081 00:49:13,651 --> 00:49:15,286 JOSHUA: What the Romack family didn't know 1082 00:49:15,386 --> 00:49:17,055 is that Janett had called the police 1083 00:49:17,155 --> 00:49:18,589 while she was being attacked, 1084 00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:22,093 but the only thing they heard were desperate screams. 1085 00:49:22,193 --> 00:49:23,494 Unable to trace the call, 1086 00:49:23,594 --> 00:49:25,730 the police were helpless to stop her murder. 1087 00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:33,371 Janett had skin under her fingernails. 1088 00:49:36,141 --> 00:49:40,378 She had many abrasions on her body, 1089 00:49:40,478 --> 00:49:43,048 but the final thing was 1090 00:49:43,148 --> 00:49:47,052 that she was strangled with an ironing cord. 1091 00:49:49,187 --> 00:49:53,991 I know she suffered a lot before she finally succumbed. 1092 00:49:56,327 --> 00:49:57,662 JOSHUA: Janett Christman's death 1093 00:49:57,762 --> 00:50:00,165 shocked the small town of Columbia, Missouri, 1094 00:50:00,265 --> 00:50:02,233 but despite being one of the most publicized crimes 1095 00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:03,634 in the past 60 years, 1096 00:50:03,734 --> 00:50:06,471 her murder has never been solved. 1097 00:50:06,571 --> 00:50:09,640 So right now, we're looking for Ed Romack's house 1098 00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:12,009 where Janett Christman was murdered 1099 00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:14,245 while she was babysitting. 1100 00:50:14,345 --> 00:50:16,547 1015 should be somewhere along here. 1101 00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:18,416 RACHEL: So then it must be that one. 1102 00:50:18,516 --> 00:50:19,517 That house right there? Right there, right there. 1103 00:50:22,253 --> 00:50:24,021 JOSHUA: Quick question for you, 1104 00:50:24,122 --> 00:50:26,424 is this where Ed Romack used to live? 1105 00:50:26,524 --> 00:50:27,458 Is that this house? 1106 00:50:27,558 --> 00:50:29,060 WOMAN: Maybe. 1107 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,128 JOSHUA: But you don't know anything about it. 1108 00:50:34,165 --> 00:50:35,500 JOSHUA: Uh-hm. 1109 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,636 About two years ago, this car pulled up 1110 00:50:38,736 --> 00:50:42,640 and they were out there talking and pointing here at this house, 1111 00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:45,243 and they said we're trying to figure out 1112 00:50:45,343 --> 00:50:49,447 which house where a girl was babysitting a little baby, 1113 00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:51,449 and she got murdered and raped. 1114 00:50:51,549 --> 00:50:52,483 JOSHUA: Uh-hm. 1115 00:50:53,318 --> 00:50:53,351 And I said, no, it's not this house, 1116 00:50:53,784 --> 00:50:54,219 it's that one. 1117 00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:56,187 JOSHUA: Uh-hm. 1118 00:50:57,355 --> 00:50:58,389 It was a man talking to me. He said, "I was the baby." 1119 00:50:58,489 --> 00:50:59,524 JOSHUA: No! 1120 00:50:59,624 --> 00:51:01,092 RACHEL: Wow! 1121 00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:03,228 And a different woman that lived across West Boulevard, 1122 00:51:04,028 --> 00:51:05,530 and she had been raped and murdered 1123 00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:08,533 sometime within close to that time. 1124 00:51:08,633 --> 00:51:10,067 JOSHUA: Jenkins is it? Yes. 1125 00:51:10,168 --> 00:51:11,001 JOSHUA: Jenkins, right. 1126 00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:13,204 We went to-- I went to the trial. Yeah. 1127 00:51:13,304 --> 00:51:15,340 JOSHUA: Marylou Jenkins was the other reason 1128 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,208 we were in Columbia. 1129 00:51:17,308 --> 00:51:21,312 On February 6, 1946, Marylou, age 20, 1130 00:51:21,412 --> 00:51:22,547 was home alone while her mother was out 1131 00:51:22,647 --> 00:51:25,316 caring for an elderly neighbor. 1132 00:51:25,416 --> 00:51:27,618 The next morning she came home to find Marylou dead. 1133 00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:30,355 Much like Janett Christman's murder four years later, 1134 00:51:30,455 --> 00:51:31,689 Marylou had been raped and strangled 1135 00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:33,491 with an electrical cord. 1136 00:51:35,293 --> 00:51:37,562 A mentally-challenged man named Floyd Cochran 1137 00:51:37,662 --> 00:51:39,630 who had been arrested for killing his wife 1138 00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:42,700 was charged with the murder and quickly executed. 1139 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,102 Do you think Floyd was innocent? 1140 00:51:45,203 --> 00:51:47,238 MARY BETH BROWN: I think he was likely innocent 1141 00:51:47,338 --> 00:51:49,607 of killing Marylou Jenkins, yes. 1142 00:51:49,707 --> 00:51:54,145 He did kill his wife in likely a domestic dispute, 1143 00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:56,647 but just from reading the trial transcripts, 1144 00:51:56,747 --> 00:51:58,683 it just didn't seem like he had the wherewithal 1145 00:51:58,783 --> 00:52:02,119 to kill and rape a young woman. 1146 00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:04,289 JOSHUA: Mary Beth Brown is a researcher 1147 00:52:04,389 --> 00:52:07,124 who helped shed new light on these old cold cases. 1148 00:52:07,225 --> 00:52:08,659 She believes the eerie similarities 1149 00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:11,329 between the Jenkins murder and the Christman murder 1150 00:52:11,429 --> 00:52:14,665 four years later only proves Cochran's innocence. 1151 00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:17,602 They were both young women, they were home by themselves, 1152 00:52:17,702 --> 00:52:20,305 they were both found with electrical cords 1153 00:52:20,405 --> 00:52:21,739 wrapped around their neck, 1154 00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:25,743 but cords that weren't attached or torn from the appliance-- 1155 00:52:25,843 --> 00:52:27,278 they were actually cut. 1156 00:52:28,413 --> 00:52:30,348 The whole location thing is the one that really gets me. 1157 00:52:30,448 --> 00:52:31,549 JOSHUA: Like how close was it? 1158 00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:33,218 MARY BETH BROWN: Within two blocks. 1159 00:52:33,318 --> 00:52:35,320 JOSHUA: Do you think that the same person 1160 00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:40,358 who killed Marylou Jenkins also killed Janett Christman? 1161 00:52:40,458 --> 00:52:43,794 That's my personal opinion, but yeah. 1162 00:52:43,894 --> 00:52:45,463 JOSHUA: And who do you think did it? 1163 00:52:45,563 --> 00:52:46,797 I've been told several people, 1164 00:52:46,897 --> 00:52:50,435 but more than any other name was Robert Mueller. 1165 00:52:50,535 --> 00:52:51,736 JOSHUA: Robert Mueller 1166 00:52:51,836 --> 00:52:53,704 was a high school friend of Ed Romack's, 1167 00:52:53,804 --> 00:52:55,440 and it was the Romack's house 1168 00:52:55,540 --> 00:52:57,508 where Janett was babysitting that night. 1169 00:52:57,608 --> 00:52:59,377 The Romacks told police that Mueller 1170 00:52:59,477 --> 00:53:01,712 had often commented on Janett being a virgin 1171 00:53:01,812 --> 00:53:05,583 and had eluded to knowing intimate details of the crime. 1172 00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:07,585 Although Mueller had been taken in for questioning 1173 00:53:07,685 --> 00:53:10,255 and passed a polygraph, the police still felt 1174 00:53:10,355 --> 00:53:12,457 there was enough evidence to arrest him. 1175 00:53:12,557 --> 00:53:14,759 However, a grand jury refused to indict, 1176 00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,695 and Mueller was never tried for Janett's murder. 1177 00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:21,732 RACHEL: I am working on a documentary, 1178 00:53:21,832 --> 00:53:23,701 and I'm interested in a cold case 1179 00:53:23,801 --> 00:53:24,869 that I've been researching. 1180 00:53:25,836 --> 00:53:26,404 I wanted to see if there was any information 1181 00:53:26,971 --> 00:53:28,473 that you could give me. 1182 00:53:28,573 --> 00:53:29,707 Okay, is that-- 1183 00:53:30,741 --> 00:53:31,409 did you just like do something on your system 1184 00:53:32,243 --> 00:53:32,943 and you see there's nothing there? 1185 00:53:33,043 --> 00:53:34,479 JOSHUA: Despite numerous efforts 1186 00:53:34,579 --> 00:53:35,646 to reach out to police, 1187 00:53:35,746 --> 00:53:37,882 they were less than responsive. 1188 00:53:37,982 --> 00:53:40,751 Christman's case was too old to warrant attention. 1189 00:53:40,851 --> 00:53:44,355 However, we were able to track down some old case files. 1190 00:53:44,455 --> 00:53:47,292 This deputy testified that Romack told him 1191 00:53:47,392 --> 00:53:49,794 Mueller had known Janett 1192 00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:53,698 and admired her well-developed form. 1193 00:53:53,798 --> 00:53:56,734 ( AGHAST ) Oh my God! 1194 00:53:58,369 --> 00:54:00,338 There's her leg. 1195 00:54:00,438 --> 00:54:02,707 There's the phone. 1196 00:54:02,807 --> 00:54:06,777 That's the cord around her neck, right there. 1197 00:54:06,877 --> 00:54:11,416 It's one of those irons back then with the thick cords. 1198 00:54:11,516 --> 00:54:13,284 That's the window that was broken 1199 00:54:13,384 --> 00:54:15,453 that supposedly whoever did this went in and out of, 1200 00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:16,721 but the Venetian blinds-- 1201 00:54:16,821 --> 00:54:17,822 if someone were going through there-- 1202 00:54:17,922 --> 00:54:19,757 they'd be totally ripped up. 1203 00:54:19,857 --> 00:54:21,392 The piano, look. 1204 00:54:21,492 --> 00:54:23,528 That's the window-- oh, look. 1205 00:54:23,628 --> 00:54:25,029 JOSHUA: That's the broken glass 1206 00:54:25,129 --> 00:54:26,464 and that's why they're saying nothing is disturbed 1207 00:54:26,564 --> 00:54:28,733 because look at the area around it. 1208 00:54:28,833 --> 00:54:30,501 So, inside job. 1209 00:54:30,601 --> 00:54:31,569 Uh-hm. 1210 00:54:32,437 --> 00:54:33,404 Mueller's wife, according to the deputy, 1211 00:54:34,672 --> 00:54:37,274 had called the girl to baby sit at the Mueller home that night 1212 00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:39,644 and found she had already been asked by Mrs. Romack. 1213 00:54:39,744 --> 00:54:40,878 JOSHUA: So, Mueller tried to get her 1214 00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:41,879 to baby sit that night. 1215 00:54:41,979 --> 00:54:43,448 Must have been. 1216 00:54:43,548 --> 00:54:46,551 And she was already babysitting the Romacks-- 1217 00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:51,689 which was how he would know she would be alone. 1218 00:54:51,789 --> 00:54:53,358 I agree that it sounds like he did it, 1219 00:54:53,458 --> 00:54:57,328 but maybe, maybe he didn't. 1220 00:54:57,428 --> 00:55:00,465 There's no solid proof, no hard evidence. 1221 00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:05,503 JOSHUA: Joan Sorrels is another researcher studying the cases. 1222 00:55:05,603 --> 00:55:06,737 She believes other crimes 1223 00:55:06,837 --> 00:55:08,339 happening in Columbia at the time 1224 00:55:08,439 --> 00:55:10,841 might be connected to these murders. 1225 00:55:10,941 --> 00:55:11,742 There were rapes 1226 00:55:11,842 --> 00:55:15,380 that had occurred within that period 1227 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,749 between the Jenkins murder and the Christman murder. 1228 00:55:18,849 --> 00:55:19,750 Tell me about those. 1229 00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:21,519 Yeah. Well, there was a rape 1230 00:55:21,619 --> 00:55:25,623 that was within two blocks of the Christman murder. 1231 00:55:25,723 --> 00:55:29,727 The girl was raped by a man that wore a mask... 1232 00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:30,528 Really? 1233 00:55:30,628 --> 00:55:31,829 And when you read the stories-- 1234 00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:33,864 the reports of the Christman murder-- 1235 00:55:34,832 --> 00:55:35,800 when they're talking about Robert Mueller, 1236 00:55:36,934 --> 00:55:39,404 it turns out that he was interested in the theater 1237 00:55:39,504 --> 00:55:42,407 and that he made masks. 1238 00:55:42,507 --> 00:55:45,943 There was a black man named Jake Bradford that they charged, 1239 00:55:46,043 --> 00:55:47,978 and he had already been in jail, 1240 00:55:48,078 --> 00:55:51,616 and he was charged on the rapes. 1241 00:55:51,716 --> 00:55:53,618 You assume he was innocent. 1242 00:55:53,718 --> 00:55:54,952 Of that. 1243 00:55:55,052 --> 00:55:58,523 They took the wrong man, they really did. 1244 00:55:58,623 --> 00:56:00,758 Would you say that Columbia has like a history of this? 1245 00:56:00,858 --> 00:56:02,560 Well, you remember that I was graduating 1246 00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:04,529 from high school in '51. 1247 00:56:04,629 --> 00:56:06,431 You would go to the MU football games 1248 00:56:06,531 --> 00:56:07,898 and you would stand up for Dixie. 1249 00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,000 What does that mean? 1250 00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:11,569 The song Dixies ... 1251 00:56:11,669 --> 00:56:12,770 Uh-hm, okay. 1252 00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:14,505 That's a confederate song. 1253 00:56:14,605 --> 00:56:15,806 Uh-hm. 1254 00:56:16,907 --> 00:56:20,144 Columbia was really primarily a confederate town. 1255 00:56:22,513 --> 00:56:24,749 Basically this is the story of a young girl... 1256 00:56:24,849 --> 00:56:25,750 JOSHUA: We came here to investigate 1257 00:56:25,850 --> 00:56:27,051 an urban legend, 1258 00:56:27,151 --> 00:56:28,919 but what we found was truly shocking-- 1259 00:56:29,019 --> 00:56:31,388 the unsolved murders of two young girls, 1260 00:56:31,489 --> 00:56:33,824 a series of brutal rapes, and the possibility 1261 00:56:33,924 --> 00:56:38,496 that men were being falsely accused and even executed. 1262 00:56:38,596 --> 00:56:41,632 In all honesty, the truth was more unflinchingly real 1263 00:56:41,732 --> 00:56:43,668 than we could ever have imagined. 1264 00:56:43,768 --> 00:56:46,771 So right now, we are headed to Hinkson Creek. 1265 00:56:46,871 --> 00:56:48,806 RACHEL: This is where a lot of people went to park 1266 00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:52,543 back in the '50s, and '40s, '50s, '60s and still do now. 1267 00:56:52,643 --> 00:56:53,611 Yeah. 1268 00:56:56,213 --> 00:56:57,748 We just wanted to see about all the other rapes 1269 00:56:57,848 --> 00:57:00,451 that were happening other than the two houses. 1270 00:57:00,551 --> 00:57:02,987 This is the creek where they're saying 1271 00:57:03,087 --> 00:57:05,756 there were a ton of rapes happening around here. 1272 00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:12,563 That. 1273 00:57:13,998 --> 00:57:15,966 This is where the college students go in, 1274 00:57:16,066 --> 00:57:17,735 and there's like a car right out over there 1275 00:57:17,835 --> 00:57:19,003 and they just flashed their lights 1276 00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:22,673 because they didn't want us to walk in on them. 1277 00:57:25,576 --> 00:57:26,677 What's down here? 1278 00:57:26,777 --> 00:57:28,813 Uh, where they dragged the girl. 1279 00:57:28,913 --> 00:57:32,583 RACHEL: Dragged? Dragged from the car. 1280 00:57:32,683 --> 00:57:34,519 There's a couple making out. 1281 00:57:34,619 --> 00:57:36,654 Some guy came out of nowhere 1282 00:57:36,754 --> 00:57:38,989 and then at gunpoint pulled one of the girls off 1283 00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:41,992 into the woods--and it was right near Halloween-- 1284 00:57:42,092 --> 00:57:45,863 and basically this guy put a mask over his head 1285 00:57:45,963 --> 00:57:49,500 and then he put a mask over the girl's face, 1286 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:50,735 and then he raped her. 1287 00:57:51,769 --> 00:57:52,903 I think the more scary thing was being a woman, 1288 00:57:53,971 --> 00:57:57,875 being a girl between 1940 and 1950, in this area, 1289 00:57:57,975 --> 00:58:00,845 knowing the amount of things going on. 1290 00:58:00,945 --> 00:58:02,747 I wouldn't have wanted to be a babysitter back then. 1291 00:58:02,847 --> 00:58:05,015 I wouldn't have wanted to be by myself 1292 00:58:05,115 --> 00:58:06,183 in one of those houses. 1293 00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:10,020 Most teenagers in the US go through a period 1294 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,056 when they baby sit at least once or twice, 1295 00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:16,594 and it feels very terrifying to the person who is doing it, 1296 00:58:16,694 --> 00:58:17,662 ( EERIE MUSIC ) 1297 00:58:17,762 --> 00:58:20,030 but it's not actually dangerous almost at all. 1298 00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:22,567 I mean, there's no reason to imagine 1299 00:58:22,667 --> 00:58:25,002 that any killer would even know 1300 00:58:25,102 --> 00:58:27,572 that a babysitter was on duty in the house, 1301 00:58:27,672 --> 00:58:29,907 and it makes the most sense if you think about the fact 1302 00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:33,010 that maybe he knew she was going to be there babysitting 1303 00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:35,112 and maybe he did this specifically 1304 00:58:35,212 --> 00:58:37,081 to torment the babysitter, 1305 00:58:37,181 --> 00:58:39,049 and that is exactly what happened, 1306 00:58:39,149 --> 00:58:41,786 they think, in the Columbia case. 1307 00:58:41,886 --> 00:58:44,822 JOSHUA: Was somebody tormenting the babysitters in Columbia-- 1308 00:58:44,922 --> 00:58:47,725 and was the same person responsible for the sex crimes 1309 00:58:47,825 --> 00:58:49,660 that had terrorized this town-- 1310 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,931 and finally was this same person Robert Mueller? 1311 00:58:54,031 --> 00:58:55,766 Hoping for some additional insight, 1312 00:58:55,866 --> 00:58:58,135 we turned to a profiler in Kansas City, 1313 00:58:58,235 --> 00:59:00,938 a former German national named Peter Brendt 1314 00:59:01,038 --> 00:59:02,940 who was willing to review our case. 1315 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,811 So in your opinion, the same killer for both girls. 1316 00:59:06,911 --> 00:59:08,679 Yes. This is too specific 1317 00:59:08,779 --> 00:59:10,948 if you add all of the details together. 1318 00:59:11,048 --> 00:59:13,083 Do you think that Marylou Jenkins knew him? 1319 00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:16,120 Well, there was no sign of forced entry on the door, 1320 00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:20,991 so at least from the sight, she must have known him, 1321 00:59:21,091 --> 00:59:23,828 and he was non threatening to her. 1322 00:59:23,928 --> 00:59:26,797 Right. Now let's talk about Christman. 1323 00:59:26,897 --> 00:59:29,667 PETER: Oh, well, this is a lot more specifics . 1324 00:59:29,767 --> 00:59:31,969 If you see there comes an offender, 1325 00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:33,337 he breaks a window. 1326 00:59:34,504 --> 00:59:35,773 The victim runs to the kitchen where the phone is, 1327 00:59:36,707 --> 00:59:38,008 and he walks in through the front door. 1328 00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:40,611 Now, why would he do that? 1329 00:59:40,711 --> 00:59:43,614 He would do that only if he knew one detail-- 1330 00:59:43,714 --> 00:59:48,719 Ed Romack had shown her how to use the shortcut. 1331 00:59:48,819 --> 00:59:50,721 JOSHUA: Peter had brought up an interesting clue-- 1332 00:59:50,821 --> 00:59:52,222 one that many had overlooked. 1333 00:59:52,322 --> 00:59:54,024 Romack testified that he had shown Janett 1334 00:59:54,124 --> 00:59:56,593 a loaded shotgun by the front door. 1335 00:59:56,694 --> 00:59:57,995 By breaking the window, 1336 00:59:58,095 --> 00:59:59,830 Mueller would distract her away from the gun 1337 00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:03,200 so he could safely get inside the house. 1338 01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,904 He knew how long he would need around the house, 1339 01:00:07,004 --> 01:00:08,939 through the front door into the kitchen. 1340 01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:13,911 So he knew every feet of the route. 1341 01:00:14,011 --> 01:00:15,612 Do you think it was Mueller? 1342 01:00:15,713 --> 01:00:16,981 PETER: He fits the bill, 1343 01:00:17,081 --> 01:00:18,949 but a lot of other males of the town 1344 01:00:19,049 --> 01:00:20,851 would fit that bill, too. 1345 01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:24,054 And the problem is he passed his lie detector. 1346 01:00:24,154 --> 01:00:30,094 Now, if you have even 20% to 40% cycle passes it makes-- 1347 01:00:30,194 --> 01:00:31,829 a lie detector, 1348 01:00:31,929 --> 01:00:34,832 especially an old model from the '50s, 1349 01:00:34,932 --> 01:00:39,870 um, well, it's worthless. 1350 01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:41,271 Now the other interesting thing 1351 01:00:42,472 --> 01:00:44,875 is that the rapes and murders stopped when he left town. 1352 01:00:44,975 --> 01:00:48,145 Well, that looks not good on the other side. 1353 01:00:48,245 --> 01:00:53,183 What was it, half a million young males went to Korea? 1354 01:00:53,283 --> 01:00:56,286 So he wasn't the only one who left the area. 1355 01:00:56,386 --> 01:00:58,989 I mean he would so nicely fit the bill, 1356 01:00:59,089 --> 01:01:03,761 but that's the risky part with profiles, yeah? 1357 01:01:03,861 --> 01:01:06,130 A profile states not who the killer is 1358 01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:08,866 but what the killer is. 1359 01:01:08,966 --> 01:01:09,867 RACHEL: I think it's interesting 1360 01:01:09,967 --> 01:01:12,069 that he thinks whoever this is, 1361 01:01:12,169 --> 01:01:15,706 he knew her-- he knew both. 1362 01:01:15,806 --> 01:01:16,974 JOSHUA: Although we'll never be able to prove 1363 01:01:17,074 --> 01:01:18,876 who committed all these crimes, 1364 01:01:18,976 --> 01:01:20,210 the evidence strongly suggests 1365 01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:23,680 that Janett Christman knew her killer. 1366 01:01:23,781 --> 01:01:28,285 There really is not a strong tradition in America 1367 01:01:28,385 --> 01:01:32,857 of strangers coming in and killing babysitters. 1368 01:01:32,957 --> 01:01:36,961 Babysitters killing small children, yes, 1369 01:01:37,061 --> 01:01:40,765 but the stranger on babysitter story 1370 01:01:40,865 --> 01:01:47,772 just doesn't connect up with a widespread real social fear. 1371 01:01:47,872 --> 01:01:49,774 ( THUMPING ) 1372 01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:54,144 STEPHEN: What the babysitter and the man upstairs 1373 01:01:54,244 --> 01:01:57,114 seems to be about is this warning 1374 01:01:57,214 --> 01:01:59,049 about this kind of responsibility. 1375 01:01:59,149 --> 01:02:00,350 If you're taking this responsibility, 1376 01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:02,052 you have to take it seriously. 1377 01:02:02,152 --> 01:02:04,822 So, you have this voice that calls her up on the phone 1378 01:02:04,922 --> 01:02:06,323 and almost like a conscience, 1379 01:02:06,423 --> 01:02:08,225 asks have you checked the children, 1380 01:02:08,325 --> 01:02:10,194 and she hasn't checked the children, 1381 01:02:10,294 --> 01:02:12,863 and that's one of the reasons why she doesn't know 1382 01:02:12,963 --> 01:02:14,731 that they've been murdered. 1383 01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:18,035 BILL ELLIS: I think it makes more sense 1384 01:02:18,135 --> 01:02:20,070 to look at it in a simple way 1385 01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:25,209 and say the babysitter is dealing with her own anxieties 1386 01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:29,980 of being potentially the cause of the children's death-- 1387 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,284 and the killer upstairs is the killer upstairs for her. 1388 01:02:34,384 --> 01:02:36,253 JOSHUA: The tragic case of Janett Christman 1389 01:02:36,353 --> 01:02:38,989 only goes to prove Bill Ellis's point 1390 01:02:39,089 --> 01:02:42,827 that our portrayal of the man upstairs is incorrect-- 1391 01:02:42,927 --> 01:02:45,195 and that's because the truth is more terrifying 1392 01:02:45,295 --> 01:02:47,164 than we can ever imagine. 1393 01:02:47,264 --> 01:02:49,166 Janett Christman knew her killer, 1394 01:02:49,266 --> 01:02:51,802 and if it's true that her killer was Mueller 1395 01:02:51,902 --> 01:02:54,304 as so many in Columbia have suggested, 1396 01:02:54,404 --> 01:02:57,174 then the man tormenting her that fateful night 1397 01:02:57,274 --> 01:02:59,376 wasn't any stranger. 1398 01:02:59,476 --> 01:03:02,779 ( PHONE RINGS ) 1399 01:03:13,023 --> 01:03:15,159 So now we go from Columbia, Missouri, 1400 01:03:15,259 --> 01:03:17,828 to Chicago in the 1980s-- 1401 01:03:17,928 --> 01:03:19,930 from the small town to the big city. 1402 01:03:22,032 --> 01:03:24,935 For some, it is a loss of innocence, 1403 01:03:25,035 --> 01:03:29,006 and nothing speaks to that loss more than clowns. 1404 01:03:29,106 --> 01:03:30,574 ( CIRCUS MUSIC ) 1405 01:03:30,674 --> 01:03:33,343 We used to think of clowns as fairly happy characters. 1406 01:03:33,443 --> 01:03:35,880 Yes, sometimes they were sad or hapless, 1407 01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:38,315 but ultimately they were harmless caricatures. 1408 01:03:38,415 --> 01:03:41,986 Of course, clown faces were exaggerated and garish, 1409 01:03:42,086 --> 01:03:43,353 but that's because of the far distances 1410 01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:45,956 between the audience and the ring. 1411 01:03:46,056 --> 01:03:49,226 It wasn't the clown's fault, or was it? 1412 01:03:50,928 --> 01:03:52,362 Before modern times, the clown-- 1413 01:03:52,462 --> 01:03:54,364 or more appropriately the jester-- 1414 01:03:54,464 --> 01:03:56,333 was considered a mischievous trickster 1415 01:03:56,433 --> 01:04:00,104 whose special role allowed them to mock nobility. 1416 01:04:00,204 --> 01:04:03,307 Jesters served to entertain, but it wasn't all smiles. 1417 01:04:03,407 --> 01:04:08,245 These clowns had a mean streak, and they played it to the hilt. 1418 01:04:08,345 --> 01:04:10,915 But what was it about the clowns of today 1419 01:04:11,015 --> 01:04:14,919 that turned them into something evil? 1420 01:04:15,019 --> 01:04:17,387 ( ROOSTER CAWING ) 1421 01:04:17,487 --> 01:04:18,923 Breakfast. 1422 01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:22,893 I'm hungry. 1423 01:04:24,028 --> 01:04:25,462 JOSHUA: Some believe it was when we brought clowns 1424 01:04:25,562 --> 01:04:27,932 out of the Big Top and into our homes 1425 01:04:28,032 --> 01:04:30,034 via birthday parties and TV, 1426 01:04:30,134 --> 01:04:32,903 that things really began to change. 1427 01:04:33,003 --> 01:04:36,173 We see you here as Bozo. Who are you really? 1428 01:04:36,273 --> 01:04:38,275 JOSHUA: Had that suspicious gleam in the eye 1429 01:04:38,375 --> 01:04:40,010 been there all along? 1430 01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:42,947 Did we finally just put two and two together to realize 1431 01:04:43,047 --> 01:04:46,350 that clowns were creepy or even worse-- 1432 01:04:46,450 --> 01:04:48,052 dangerous? 1433 01:04:48,152 --> 01:04:50,487 ANNOUNCER: The News At 5. 1434 01:04:50,587 --> 01:04:52,356 NEWS READER: Chicago police warned parents 1435 01:04:52,456 --> 01:04:56,426 about a man dressed as a clown who is approaching children. 1436 01:04:56,526 --> 01:04:58,495 Police say a clown tried to lure boys 1437 01:04:58,595 --> 01:05:01,898 into his pickup truck last Tuesday evening. 1438 01:05:01,999 --> 01:05:03,500 Police have issued two community alerts 1439 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,903 regarding the clown sighting near some Southside schools 1440 01:05:07,004 --> 01:05:09,173 as well as some Westside schools. 1441 01:05:11,041 --> 01:05:12,376 JOSHUA: No one can say for sure 1442 01:05:12,476 --> 01:05:15,379 where in Chicago it happened first or even when, 1443 01:05:17,114 --> 01:05:21,485 but they were out there, snatching kids off the streets. 1444 01:05:21,585 --> 01:05:24,321 They trolled playgrounds and schoolyards. 1445 01:05:24,421 --> 01:05:26,356 Sometimes they used balloons or candy 1446 01:05:26,456 --> 01:05:28,258 to lure the gullible ones. 1447 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,296 But ask anyone who has seen them, 1448 01:05:32,396 --> 01:05:34,931 and they'll all tell you the same thing-- 1449 01:05:35,032 --> 01:05:37,134 it was the white van they saw first 1450 01:05:39,169 --> 01:05:41,938 and then that face behind the wheel 1451 01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:44,474 painted white with a maniacal smile. 1452 01:05:47,177 --> 01:05:49,980 We call them the Killer Clowns, 1453 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,382 and they only wanted one thing-- 1454 01:05:52,482 --> 01:05:56,353 to kidnap kids just like us. 1455 01:05:57,587 --> 01:05:59,056 ON T.V: Police are saying that the suspect 1456 01:05:59,156 --> 01:06:01,191 wears clown make-up, a wig, 1457 01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:03,227 and sometimes he carried balloons. 1458 01:06:03,327 --> 01:06:04,694 The latest pair of incidents 1459 01:06:04,794 --> 01:06:07,031 occurred near playgrounds at 83rd and Mackinaw... 1460 01:06:07,131 --> 01:06:08,598 They were running out of the playground area. 1461 01:06:08,698 --> 01:06:11,235 To prey on children at this time, you know, 1462 01:06:11,335 --> 01:06:13,503 right around the time that they want to go out 1463 01:06:13,603 --> 01:06:16,373 and do trick-or-treating is unfortunate. 1464 01:06:16,473 --> 01:06:19,043 We should emphasize that nothing has happened-- 1465 01:06:19,143 --> 01:06:20,477 no child has been hurt-- 1466 01:06:21,711 --> 01:06:23,113 but certainly these incidents that have been near children 1467 01:06:23,213 --> 01:06:25,115 is making it very uneasy. 1468 01:06:25,215 --> 01:06:27,117 ( SIRENS WAILING ) 1469 01:06:29,586 --> 01:06:32,122 JOSHUA: In 2008, this was one of the reported sightings-- 1470 01:06:32,222 --> 01:06:33,190 South Mackinaw-- 1471 01:06:34,058 --> 01:06:36,026 one of the theoretical clown abductions 1472 01:06:36,126 --> 01:06:38,528 where apparently he was hiding in the playground 1473 01:06:38,628 --> 01:06:40,097 with some balloons... 1474 01:06:40,197 --> 01:06:42,099 Or he was in a van or he was in a truck. 1475 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:44,101 I mean, no adult said they saw this. 1476 01:06:44,201 --> 01:06:46,070 Something was going on with these children 1477 01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:50,274 to feel the need to alert adults. 1478 01:06:50,374 --> 01:06:51,341 You doing a documentary? 1479 01:06:51,441 --> 01:06:52,709 Yeah, we are. 1480 01:06:52,809 --> 01:06:53,643 JOSHUA: Do you believe that really happened? 1481 01:06:53,743 --> 01:06:54,744 Yeah, oh sure. 1482 01:06:54,844 --> 01:06:56,246 JOSHUA: Why do you believe that happened? 1483 01:06:56,346 --> 01:06:57,447 Well, people told me, you know, 1484 01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,383 that they actually seen that. 1485 01:06:59,483 --> 01:07:01,218 Was it just one incident or was it... 1486 01:07:01,318 --> 01:07:03,353 No, it was like a couple weeks or you know, 1487 01:07:03,453 --> 01:07:05,555 a month or something like that it was going on. 1488 01:07:05,655 --> 01:07:07,091 RACHEL: Did they ever catch the guy? 1489 01:07:07,191 --> 01:07:08,125 I'm not sure. 1490 01:07:08,958 --> 01:07:09,559 I think they did because it stopped. 1491 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,196 Definitely it was a true incident. 1492 01:07:12,296 --> 01:07:14,098 JOSHUA: Uh-hm. RACHEL: Uh-hm. 1493 01:07:14,198 --> 01:07:15,132 So, he believes... 1494 01:07:15,965 --> 01:07:17,301 He believes it. It was-it was real. 1495 01:07:18,402 --> 01:07:19,503 I think there could possibly have been a clown here. 1496 01:07:19,603 --> 01:07:21,371 It's hard to discern. 1497 01:07:21,471 --> 01:07:23,607 A white van and the guy had a mask... 1498 01:07:23,707 --> 01:07:25,509 Uh-hm. ...Of a clown. 1499 01:07:25,609 --> 01:07:27,611 One of our friends' daughters... 1500 01:07:27,711 --> 01:07:29,213 ...Yeah, and she was holding on 1501 01:07:29,313 --> 01:07:30,580 like for dear life to the fence. 1502 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,182 JOSHUA: Really? Yeah. 1503 01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:33,683 JOSHUA: Do you believe it really happened? 1504 01:07:33,783 --> 01:07:34,751 I believe so. 1505 01:07:35,619 --> 01:07:36,486 We have tons and tons of pedophiles 1506 01:07:36,586 --> 01:07:39,089 in this community. I always log on to it. 1507 01:07:39,189 --> 01:07:40,124 JOSHUA: Really? Oh yes. 1508 01:07:40,224 --> 01:07:41,191 Dressing as a clown? 1509 01:07:41,291 --> 01:07:42,259 Yeah. 1510 01:07:43,127 --> 01:07:43,627 That's a little extreme, don't you think? 1511 01:07:43,727 --> 01:07:44,761 No. 1512 01:07:44,861 --> 01:07:46,296 JOSHUA: But you never saw the clown. 1513 01:07:47,431 --> 01:07:49,099 No, but we saw people that acted like that person-- 1514 01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:50,534 trying to lure-- tell the kids. 1515 01:07:51,768 --> 01:07:53,437 I saw him right in the store and I warned the store owner. 1516 01:07:53,537 --> 01:07:54,704 I'd like for people to hear the truth 1517 01:07:54,804 --> 01:07:57,107 ( indistinct ) not a lie. 1518 01:07:57,207 --> 01:07:58,208 ( BACKGROUND SIRENS ) 1519 01:07:58,308 --> 01:08:00,177 Now I don't know what to think. 1520 01:08:00,277 --> 01:08:02,212 JOSHUA: Walking away, it was hard not to believe 1521 01:08:02,312 --> 01:08:04,381 that there must be some truth to this. 1522 01:08:04,481 --> 01:08:06,483 Could all these people really be wrong? 1523 01:08:06,583 --> 01:08:10,086 Maybe our fear of clowns isn't just in our heads. 1524 01:08:11,621 --> 01:08:14,358 JOE DURWIN: Coulrophobia is the fear of clowns. 1525 01:08:14,458 --> 01:08:16,593 It is so widespread now that, you know, 1526 01:08:16,693 --> 01:08:19,729 everybody knows that people are afraid of clowns. 1527 01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:22,499 Everybody knows that something is up with clowns, 1528 01:08:22,599 --> 01:08:25,502 and the last couple of decades have just been confirmation 1529 01:08:25,602 --> 01:08:27,304 of everything they ever feared. 1530 01:08:27,404 --> 01:08:29,105 JOE DURWIN: But what's even more disturbing 1531 01:08:29,206 --> 01:08:32,642 is that these phantom clowns didn't just appear in 2008. 1532 01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:35,512 There was a similar sighting 17 years previously, 1533 01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:38,548 in the fall of 1991. 1534 01:08:38,648 --> 01:08:40,550 From the number of alleged sightings 1535 01:08:40,650 --> 01:08:43,153 coming from practically all over Chicago, 1536 01:08:43,253 --> 01:08:44,454 police are theorizing 1537 01:08:44,554 --> 01:08:46,590 there may be more than one phony clown 1538 01:08:46,690 --> 01:08:48,692 out roaming the streets. 1539 01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:50,260 RACHEL: This is a comment. 1540 01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:51,661 "I've seen the same van with the clown driving 1541 01:08:51,761 --> 01:08:54,298 when we was on the Westside playing, 1542 01:08:54,398 --> 01:08:56,433 and I can recall the van stopping in the alley 1543 01:08:56,533 --> 01:08:58,668 and the clown trying to lure me to the van. 1544 01:08:58,768 --> 01:08:59,769 That scared me worser 1545 01:09:00,670 --> 01:09:02,506 than living in Cabrini-Green projects." 1546 01:09:02,606 --> 01:09:05,342 JOE DURWIN: The mention of Cabrini-Green was telling. 1547 01:09:05,442 --> 01:09:08,445 It had been one of Chicago's most notorious slums 1548 01:09:08,545 --> 01:09:12,616 where kids faced rampant poverty and violence on a daily basis. 1549 01:09:12,716 --> 01:09:13,817 But how does a kid process 1550 01:09:13,917 --> 01:09:15,585 these overwhelming societal issues 1551 01:09:15,685 --> 01:09:18,322 that are just too big to fix? 1552 01:09:18,422 --> 01:09:19,723 Have you ever like heard of any talk 1553 01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:21,625 about any scary place on your block, 1554 01:09:21,725 --> 01:09:23,159 a place nobody went to? 1555 01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:25,529 Every block is a scary block-- ( GIGGLES ) 1556 01:09:25,629 --> 01:09:27,464 so much shooting and killing out here. 1557 01:09:27,564 --> 01:09:29,233 You guys think clowns are scary? 1558 01:09:29,333 --> 01:09:30,267 Clowns? Yeah. 1559 01:09:30,367 --> 01:09:31,768 No. 1560 01:09:31,868 --> 01:09:32,769 Killer clowns. 1561 01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:34,170 Killer clowns. 1562 01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:39,243 We've got a real shot here, Bernadette. 1563 01:09:39,343 --> 01:09:40,777 An entire community starts attributing 1564 01:09:40,877 --> 01:09:44,581 the daily horrors of their lives to a mythical figure. 1565 01:09:44,681 --> 01:09:46,750 JOSHUA: Sometimes we create monsters. 1566 01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:49,953 Sometimes we just need to put a face on our fear. 1567 01:09:51,455 --> 01:09:53,723 Aren't you going to say hello? 1568 01:09:54,724 --> 01:09:56,693 This is where there was 1569 01:09:56,793 --> 01:10:01,498 another series of clown sightings back in '91. 1570 01:10:01,598 --> 01:10:03,800 They called this clown sighting the Homey the Clown sighting. 1571 01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:05,435 RACHEL: Back in the early '90s, 1572 01:10:05,535 --> 01:10:07,571 there was a popular show on, In Living Colors. 1573 01:10:07,671 --> 01:10:09,806 Huge character on there, Homey the Clown. 1574 01:10:09,906 --> 01:10:12,409 Now let's show them how Homey gets back at 1575 01:10:12,509 --> 01:10:13,543 Mr. Establishment. 1576 01:10:13,643 --> 01:10:15,345 ( LAUGHTER ) 1577 01:10:15,445 --> 01:10:16,446 Sure. 1578 01:10:16,546 --> 01:10:19,449 ( LAUGHTER ) 1579 01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:23,453 I mean, this is only one of many, many places 1580 01:10:23,553 --> 01:10:25,589 all over Chicago. 1581 01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:28,358 There was a real citywide scare. 1582 01:10:28,458 --> 01:10:30,494 The Chicago police were being called. 1583 01:10:30,594 --> 01:10:32,696 There were reports in the news. 1584 01:10:32,796 --> 01:10:34,631 JOSHUA: Isaiah Thompson was a local reporter 1585 01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:37,467 who grew up in Chicago and wrote about the clowns 1586 01:10:37,567 --> 01:10:39,469 that seemed to be lurking on every corner. 1587 01:10:39,569 --> 01:10:42,272 Somehow-you know, 1588 01:10:42,372 --> 01:10:44,474 I don't know that anyone knows how, you know, 1589 01:10:44,574 --> 01:10:47,377 this whole city, especially like this whole 1590 01:10:47,477 --> 01:10:50,246 public school network of thousands and thousands of kids 1591 01:10:50,347 --> 01:10:51,648 all believe the same thing, 1592 01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:54,484 so it seems like this larger force of nature 1593 01:10:54,584 --> 01:10:57,887 that sort of visited itself upon the kids of Chicago. 1594 01:10:57,987 --> 01:11:00,390 JOSHUA: What the kids in 1991 didn't know 1595 01:11:00,490 --> 01:11:04,828 was that Chicago had an even earlier clown scare. 1596 01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:10,800 There was another clown scare phenomenon previously in 1981. 1597 01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:14,438 It's been said that that one started in Boston. 1598 01:11:14,538 --> 01:11:16,306 Uh-hm. You think '81, you think '80s, 1599 01:11:17,774 --> 01:11:19,676 you think Steven King, you think It you think Poltergeist. 1600 01:11:19,776 --> 01:11:23,413 No, that started in '82, Poltergeist, '86 for It. 1601 01:11:23,513 --> 01:11:25,415 This was all before any of that. 1602 01:11:25,515 --> 01:11:26,916 JOSHUA: It's easy to see how Poltergeist 1603 01:11:27,016 --> 01:11:29,453 could have helped spread a clown scare. 1604 01:11:38,495 --> 01:11:40,296 And of course, Steven King's It... 1605 01:11:40,397 --> 01:11:43,333 Ah-ha, I'll drive you crazy and I'll kill you all. 1606 01:11:43,433 --> 01:11:45,301 I'm every nightmare you ever had. 1607 01:11:45,402 --> 01:11:48,638 I am your worst dream come true! 1608 01:11:48,738 --> 01:11:50,407 JOSHUA: But the fact that the 1981 scare 1609 01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:53,677 preceded these cinematic killer clowns was telling. 1610 01:11:53,777 --> 01:11:55,912 This wasn't just kids watching some movie, 1611 01:11:56,012 --> 01:11:58,682 not when this fear was everywhere. 1612 01:11:58,782 --> 01:12:02,719 JOE DURWIN: Clowns appear in California in 1967; 1613 01:12:02,819 --> 01:12:04,421 in Newark 1980; 1614 01:12:04,521 --> 01:12:05,589 Boston; Providence; 1615 01:12:05,689 --> 01:12:08,425 Omaha; Phoenix, Arizona in 1985; 1616 01:12:08,525 --> 01:12:09,493 Chicago; Galveston, 1617 01:12:09,593 --> 01:12:10,760 Texas, 1992; 1618 01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:11,828 Washington; Maryland; 1619 01:12:11,928 --> 01:12:13,430 Scotland, 1991; 1620 01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:15,832 throughout a large portion of Latin America 1621 01:12:15,932 --> 01:12:19,503 from Mexico to South America in the mid-90s. 1622 01:12:19,603 --> 01:12:21,605 The question of how it's being spread 1623 01:12:21,705 --> 01:12:24,741 is a very interesting one because you have an age group 1624 01:12:24,841 --> 01:12:27,877 which doesn't have an enormous amount of contacts 1625 01:12:27,977 --> 01:12:30,514 and especially in a pre-internet time. 1626 01:12:30,614 --> 01:12:33,450 Elementary schools communicating with students 1627 01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:36,520 in other elementary schools on the other side of town 1628 01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:37,954 is very unlikely. 1629 01:12:39,188 --> 01:12:40,990 How it's transmitted is really one of the most intriguing, 1630 01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:44,428 perhaps unsolved mysteries about it. 1631 01:12:49,533 --> 01:12:50,667 JOSHUA: All over the world, 1632 01:12:50,767 --> 01:12:52,536 kids were seeing killer clowns, 1633 01:12:52,636 --> 01:12:54,370 but it could have been any monster-- 1634 01:12:54,471 --> 01:12:58,775 zombies, vampires, witches, why clowns? 1635 01:12:58,875 --> 01:13:01,645 Maybe our fear points to an even larger issue. 1636 01:13:01,745 --> 01:13:03,747 Maybe it was the clown's loss of innocence 1637 01:13:03,847 --> 01:13:06,015 that made them that much more scary 1638 01:13:06,115 --> 01:13:08,518 because it spoke to our own loss. 1639 01:13:08,618 --> 01:13:11,655 For those born into a generation of stranger danger, 1640 01:13:11,755 --> 01:13:14,424 where missing kids appeared on every milk carton, 1641 01:13:14,524 --> 01:13:16,426 clowns represented a world 1642 01:13:16,526 --> 01:13:18,528 that had turned almost evil overnight, 1643 01:13:18,628 --> 01:13:20,764 and that's because it's here in Chicago 1644 01:13:20,864 --> 01:13:22,666 where the notion of killer clowns 1645 01:13:22,766 --> 01:13:24,400 became a reality. 1646 01:13:24,501 --> 01:13:25,902 NEWS REPORTER: Police found the decomposed remains 1647 01:13:26,002 --> 01:13:27,136 of three bodies. 1648 01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:29,773 They suspect there are several more bodies buried here. 1649 01:13:29,873 --> 01:13:32,776 JOSHUA: And the most evil of them all was Pogo, 1650 01:13:32,876 --> 01:13:36,446 the alter ego of one of the most prolific serial killers 1651 01:13:36,546 --> 01:13:40,450 in all of history, John Wayne Gacy. 1652 01:13:43,219 --> 01:13:45,489 Gacy was a sadistic serial killer 1653 01:13:45,589 --> 01:13:47,423 who brutally slayed 33 young men 1654 01:13:47,524 --> 01:13:51,961 between 1972 and 1978 in the Chicago suburbs. 1655 01:13:52,061 --> 01:13:55,765 Though many have portrayed Gacy as an actual killer clown, 1656 01:13:55,865 --> 01:13:57,801 the truth behind his demented persona 1657 01:13:57,901 --> 01:13:59,569 is not so simple. 1658 01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:16,019 How many bodies did you find here? 1659 01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:18,988 BOB EGAN: Twenty-nine, twenty-seven under the house... 1660 01:14:19,088 --> 01:14:20,189 Uh-hm. 1661 01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:21,925 In the crawlspace, one under the driveway... 1662 01:14:23,059 --> 01:14:26,496 And one under an extension that he put on the garage. 1663 01:14:26,596 --> 01:14:27,797 JOSHUA: This is Bob Egans , 1664 01:14:27,897 --> 01:14:29,833 a former prosecutor on the Gacy case, 1665 01:14:29,933 --> 01:14:32,468 and Cook County detective Jason Moran. 1666 01:14:32,569 --> 01:14:34,871 BOB EGAN: When we first saw the Pogo the Clown pictures, 1667 01:14:34,971 --> 01:14:36,506 we went, oh my God, 1668 01:14:36,606 --> 01:14:38,041 is this guy acting as a clown to get victims-- 1669 01:14:38,141 --> 01:14:41,578 that's what we thought, but it wasn't that at all. 1670 01:14:41,678 --> 01:14:44,080 He was doing that because he was the center of attention, 1671 01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:45,248 and everything he did 1672 01:14:46,215 --> 01:14:47,016 was to make himself the center of attention. 1673 01:14:47,651 --> 01:14:49,018 I still don't like clowns. 1674 01:14:50,153 --> 01:14:51,788 ( CHUCKLES ) And I'm an adult with a gun and a badge. 1675 01:14:51,888 --> 01:14:53,757 And it might be from being a child 1676 01:14:53,857 --> 01:14:57,727 during that time because if you look at Pogo the Clown, 1677 01:14:57,827 --> 01:14:59,663 he was a very creepy clown. 1678 01:14:59,763 --> 01:15:02,566 If you look at the pictures, the make-up around his eyes 1679 01:15:02,666 --> 01:15:05,101 when he was portraying Pogo, was triangular, 1680 01:15:05,201 --> 01:15:08,738 and the make-up around his mouth came up to points. 1681 01:15:08,838 --> 01:15:11,040 Clown experts said clowns do not have 1682 01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:13,543 any sharp points on their faces. 1683 01:15:13,643 --> 01:15:14,578 Why? 1684 01:15:14,678 --> 01:15:17,647 Because it scares kids and it connotes evil. 1685 01:15:17,747 --> 01:15:20,049 And so do you think Gacy did this on purpose 1686 01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:21,685 to connote evil? 1687 01:15:21,785 --> 01:15:22,786 It was subconscious? No, I don't think at all. 1688 01:15:22,886 --> 01:15:23,953 I think it was purely coincidental. 1689 01:15:24,053 --> 01:15:25,254 He wasn't-- 1690 01:15:26,355 --> 01:15:27,023 I don't think he was thinking of that for one second. 1691 01:15:28,324 --> 01:15:28,858 I'm telling you, that's exactly what we believed at the time. 1692 01:15:29,693 --> 01:15:31,561 Pogo the clown issue was the subject 1693 01:15:31,661 --> 01:15:33,930 of a lot of conversation during the trial prep. 1694 01:15:35,599 --> 01:15:38,668 JOSHUA: Although Gacy never did kill anyone dressed as a clown, 1695 01:15:38,768 --> 01:15:41,938 he did tell police clowns could get away with murder, 1696 01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:44,741 leading many to believe his signature clown look 1697 01:15:44,841 --> 01:15:48,878 was in fact a true reflection of his inner evil self. 1698 01:15:52,682 --> 01:15:54,851 Ken Melvoin-Berg is a noted historian 1699 01:15:54,951 --> 01:15:58,655 who understands the dark side of a clown. 1700 01:15:58,755 --> 01:16:00,824 It doesn't matter the type of mask that you're putting on-- 1701 01:16:00,924 --> 01:16:01,991 whether it's a clown face-- 1702 01:16:02,091 --> 01:16:03,893 it's to hide who you are a little bit 1703 01:16:03,993 --> 01:16:05,829 and to be somebody a little bit different. 1704 01:16:05,929 --> 01:16:08,698 It's oftentimes the opposite of what we portray ourselves 1705 01:16:08,798 --> 01:16:09,966 in our day-to-day lives. 1706 01:16:11,034 --> 01:16:12,802 So somebody who is a truly evil person like Gacy 1707 01:16:12,902 --> 01:16:17,073 puts it on to sort of offset that. 1708 01:16:17,173 --> 01:16:19,042 BILL ELLIS: What happens when people costume 1709 01:16:19,142 --> 01:16:23,012 is that they're playing with these internal personalities-- 1710 01:16:23,112 --> 01:16:26,816 they're repressing the normal ego-- 1711 01:16:26,916 --> 01:16:29,953 and they are allowing some internal personality 1712 01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:32,088 to become dominant. 1713 01:16:32,188 --> 01:16:34,190 And so you put on the clown make-up 1714 01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,593 and you are no longer yourself. 1715 01:16:37,694 --> 01:16:41,931 You then become someone that is unpredictable, 1716 01:16:42,031 --> 01:16:45,802 possibly dangerous, possibly violent. 1717 01:16:47,136 --> 01:16:48,204 Game on, my friend. 1718 01:16:48,304 --> 01:16:51,775 ( CHUCKLES ) 1719 01:16:51,875 --> 01:16:54,043 ( HORN BLOWS ) Ha-ha-ha-ha. 1720 01:16:54,143 --> 01:16:55,845 ( CHUCKLES ) 1721 01:16:55,945 --> 01:16:57,080 KEN MELVOIN-BERG: Clowns have always been 1722 01:16:57,180 --> 01:16:58,014 a huge thing for us here in Chicago 1723 01:16:58,748 --> 01:17:00,116 unlike any other American city 1724 01:17:00,216 --> 01:17:03,152 where we have clowns and clown stories 1725 01:17:03,252 --> 01:17:05,889 and clown mythology and clown history 1726 01:17:05,989 --> 01:17:08,992 that no other city in the US has. 1727 01:17:09,092 --> 01:17:12,195 It started off a long time ago in the 1890s 1728 01:17:12,295 --> 01:17:14,964 when the Columbian Exposition brought clowns around 1729 01:17:15,064 --> 01:17:17,266 just to entertain folks. 1730 01:17:17,366 --> 01:17:19,002 Going forward in time a little bit, 1731 01:17:19,102 --> 01:17:20,904 up into the 1950s, like Bob Bell 1732 01:17:21,004 --> 01:17:22,906 who was the original Bozo the Clown. 1733 01:17:23,006 --> 01:17:25,842 The Bozo set is still at WGN in the building, 1734 01:17:25,942 --> 01:17:27,176 and it's allegedly haunted. 1735 01:17:27,276 --> 01:17:29,679 In the late '70s is when you had John Wayne Gacy. 1736 01:17:29,779 --> 01:17:31,247 Shortly after is when 1737 01:17:31,347 --> 01:17:32,782 a clown panic happened. 1738 01:17:33,917 --> 01:17:34,918 So for people like me who are a little bit sadistic, 1739 01:17:35,919 --> 01:17:36,886 to me it's made it that much more interesting 1740 01:17:37,821 --> 01:17:38,254 because people are that much more scared 1741 01:17:38,822 --> 01:17:39,956 of clowns these days. 1742 01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:42,291 The thing is that all of the people 1743 01:17:42,391 --> 01:17:46,796 that were children in the 1980s and 1990s 1744 01:17:46,896 --> 01:17:48,064 are adults now, 1745 01:17:49,132 --> 01:17:49,833 and are telling these terrifying tales of clowns 1746 01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:51,167 to their children. 1747 01:17:52,235 --> 01:17:53,970 Speaking of the connection to clowns in Chicago, 1748 01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:56,272 the one site that you guys have got to see 1749 01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:59,308 if you haven't been there before is Showmen's Rest 1750 01:17:59,408 --> 01:18:04,080 which is a monument to the circus and clowns 1751 01:18:04,180 --> 01:18:06,082 in a cemetery. 1752 01:18:07,116 --> 01:18:08,684 JOSHUA: Buried in Chicago 1753 01:18:08,785 --> 01:18:10,219 were the clowns and other circus performers 1754 01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:12,088 who died in one of the worst train wrecks 1755 01:18:12,188 --> 01:18:13,757 in American history. 1756 01:18:13,857 --> 01:18:15,691 On June 22, 1918, 1757 01:18:15,792 --> 01:18:17,961 after its conductor fell asleep, 1758 01:18:18,061 --> 01:18:20,029 a train plowed into the idle sleeper cars 1759 01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:22,866 of the Hagenbeck-Wallace circus. 1760 01:18:22,966 --> 01:18:25,001 Those who weren't killed in the initial impact 1761 01:18:25,101 --> 01:18:28,471 burned to death after the wooden cars caught on fire. 1762 01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,776 In all, 86 performers were killed. 1763 01:18:32,876 --> 01:18:34,978 With so many burned beyond recognition, 1764 01:18:35,078 --> 01:18:36,846 they were buried in a mass grave 1765 01:18:36,946 --> 01:18:39,048 in a section of the Chicago cemetery 1766 01:18:39,148 --> 01:18:41,751 called Showmen's Rest. 1767 01:18:41,851 --> 01:18:43,953 One of those who survived was Joe Coyle, 1768 01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:45,321 a famously jovial clown 1769 01:18:45,421 --> 01:18:48,057 whose act became perpetually sad and morose 1770 01:18:48,157 --> 01:18:50,827 as he took to dressing in rags. 1771 01:18:50,927 --> 01:18:54,263 Coyle would play a sad clown for the rest of his life. 1772 01:18:55,865 --> 01:18:57,133 RACHEL: Joe Coyle spoke bitterly 1773 01:18:57,233 --> 01:18:58,768 as he lay on a stretcher 1774 01:18:58,868 --> 01:19:00,369 and told how his wife and two babies 1775 01:19:00,469 --> 01:19:03,272 had joined him only recently and how all three 1776 01:19:03,372 --> 01:19:05,942 had been crushed to death at his very side. 1777 01:19:06,042 --> 01:19:09,012 "The kiddies had been so glad to see their daddy," he said, 1778 01:19:09,112 --> 01:19:11,781 "I wish I could have died with them." 1779 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,095 JOSHUA: Here, look. See that? 1780 01:19:26,195 --> 01:19:27,096 RACHEL: Baldy. 1781 01:19:27,196 --> 01:19:29,098 JOSHUA: Baldy, 1918, June 22. 1782 01:19:29,198 --> 01:19:30,867 RACHEL: They said they only could name him Baldy 1783 01:19:30,967 --> 01:19:33,903 because that was the only name they knew him by 1784 01:19:34,003 --> 01:19:35,839 was his stage name. 1785 01:19:35,939 --> 01:19:38,174 JOSHUA: 4 Horse Driver, 1918. 1786 01:19:38,274 --> 01:19:40,776 RACHEL: Unknown male, unknown male. 1787 01:19:40,877 --> 01:19:44,313 JOSHUA: Unknown male, unknown male, unknown male. 1788 01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:45,849 All these graves are unknown. 1789 01:19:45,949 --> 01:19:46,916 RACHEL: All these graves are unknown. 1790 01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:49,953 JOSHUA: Maybe it all started in Chicago 1791 01:19:50,053 --> 01:19:52,055 with the deaths of these clowns. 1792 01:19:52,155 --> 01:19:54,323 Maybe all it takes is a little tragedy 1793 01:19:54,423 --> 01:19:57,193 to unlock the even darker places in our mind. 1794 01:19:59,896 --> 01:20:01,264 One thing is for certain-- 1795 01:20:01,364 --> 01:20:04,000 there's no going back to the innocent clown. 1796 01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:06,870 The scales have been tipped and the evidence proves it. 1797 01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:09,906 Clowns can do scary things. 1798 01:20:10,006 --> 01:20:12,175 They can even become killers. 1799 01:20:12,275 --> 01:20:14,077 ( SIRENS WAILING ) 1800 01:20:14,177 --> 01:20:17,446 VOICE ON RADIO: ...314, shooting at Century Theaters. 1801 01:20:17,546 --> 01:20:20,183 14300, East Alameda Avenue. 1802 01:20:20,283 --> 01:20:22,285 They're saying somebody is shooting in the auditorium. 1803 01:20:22,385 --> 01:20:24,820 We got seven down and ( indistinct ). 1804 01:20:24,921 --> 01:20:25,955 Seven down. 1805 01:20:26,890 --> 01:20:27,924 I've got a child victim-- I need Rescue. 1806 01:20:28,024 --> 01:20:29,392 ( SIMULTANEOUS TALKING ) 1807 01:20:30,693 --> 01:20:33,229 NEWS REPORTER: Breaking news coming out of Aurora, Colorado. 1808 01:20:33,329 --> 01:20:35,131 A scene of a shooting this morning. 1809 01:20:35,231 --> 01:20:37,433 A movie theater where "The Dark Knight Rises" 1810 01:20:37,533 --> 01:20:38,902 was being shown. 1811 01:20:39,002 --> 01:20:41,170 JOSHUA: On July 20, 2012, 1812 01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:43,306 James Holmes commits one of the worse mass shootings 1813 01:20:43,406 --> 01:20:45,008 in recent history. 1814 01:20:45,108 --> 01:20:47,010 But if the massacre itself weren't horrific enough, 1815 01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:50,146 James's costuming was an ominous testament 1816 01:20:50,246 --> 01:20:54,383 to the allure of a very specific clown. 1817 01:20:54,483 --> 01:20:56,920 CLOWN IN MOVIE: Introduce a little anarchy, 1818 01:20:57,020 --> 01:20:59,122 upset the established order. 1819 01:20:59,222 --> 01:21:02,858 Then everything becomes chaos. 1820 01:21:05,461 --> 01:21:07,964 I'm an agent of chaos. 1821 01:21:08,064 --> 01:21:09,999 JOSHUA: Holmes's embodiment of The Joker, 1822 01:21:10,099 --> 01:21:11,467 a villain who has come to represent 1823 01:21:11,567 --> 01:21:15,271 the ultimate destruction of our civilized world 1824 01:21:15,371 --> 01:21:17,006 is no coincidence. 1825 01:21:17,106 --> 01:21:19,008 ( EXPLOSIONS ) 1826 01:21:19,108 --> 01:21:21,945 In our never-ending attempts to sanitize society, 1827 01:21:24,013 --> 01:21:27,883 we sometimes reap what we sow. 1828 01:21:27,984 --> 01:21:29,018 JOE DURWIN: In a sense, you can really look at it s as 1829 01:21:29,118 --> 01:21:31,487 a possible backlash. 1830 01:21:31,587 --> 01:21:35,058 He felt this compulsion to water the clown down 1831 01:21:35,158 --> 01:21:39,162 into this cartoonish, harmless being, 1832 01:21:39,262 --> 01:21:42,198 and maybe underlying traits of the archetype 1833 01:21:42,298 --> 01:21:44,333 just came back with a vengeance. 1834 01:21:44,433 --> 01:21:47,536 JOSHUA: Holmes's Joker-fueled rampage not only signified 1835 01:21:47,636 --> 01:21:51,040 that the clown's transformation from innocent to evil 1836 01:21:51,140 --> 01:21:54,043 was finally complete, but it also revealed 1837 01:21:54,143 --> 01:21:58,014 what was truly lurking inside of us all. 1838 01:21:58,114 --> 01:22:01,284 We think of ourselves as one, and in fact we're really 1839 01:22:01,384 --> 01:22:05,021 kind of a parliament of personalities. 1840 01:22:05,121 --> 01:22:09,925 The killer clown is one of our personalities, 1841 01:22:10,026 --> 01:22:11,394 it's part of us. 1842 01:22:11,494 --> 01:22:14,363 And so therefore, we have to be very careful 1843 01:22:14,463 --> 01:22:20,069 not to let the killer clown out except, in a safe way-- 1844 01:22:20,169 --> 01:22:21,537 except in a playful way. 1845 01:22:21,637 --> 01:22:24,073 ( EVIL LAUGH ) 1846 01:22:24,173 --> 01:22:25,474 See, madness as you know, 1847 01:22:25,574 --> 01:22:29,012 is like gravity. 1848 01:22:29,112 --> 01:22:31,347 All it takes is a little push. 1849 01:22:31,447 --> 01:22:34,350 ( EVIL LAUGH ) 1850 01:22:37,186 --> 01:22:38,487 JOSHUA: The babysitter killer, 1851 01:22:38,587 --> 01:22:41,557 the Hook Man, the Halloween sadist, 1852 01:22:41,657 --> 01:22:43,592 the Killer Clown-- 1853 01:22:43,692 --> 01:22:45,995 what can we learn from these urban legends 1854 01:22:46,095 --> 01:22:49,398 and from the true crimes that may have inspired them? 1855 01:22:49,498 --> 01:22:53,102 Maybe these monsters, despite our overwhelming desire 1856 01:22:53,202 --> 01:22:56,972 to believe otherwise, just aren't real. 1857 01:22:57,073 --> 01:22:58,507 By presenting false boogeymen, 1858 01:22:58,607 --> 01:23:00,176 our urban legends are helping us 1859 01:23:00,276 --> 01:23:03,612 to make sense of crimes too wicked to comprehend. 1860 01:23:03,712 --> 01:23:06,282 BILL ELLIS: An urban legend, even though it can be scary, 1861 01:23:06,382 --> 01:23:11,087 it's not nearly as scary as the actual murderers 1862 01:23:11,187 --> 01:23:13,389 that live in the world with us. 1863 01:23:13,489 --> 01:23:16,192 JOSHUA: But peel back the layers of any campfire tale, 1864 01:23:16,292 --> 01:23:18,327 and you'll understand the inherent truth 1865 01:23:18,427 --> 01:23:20,563 that despite our need to believe in an evil, 1866 01:23:20,663 --> 01:23:24,167 in a darker force, it just isn't true. 1867 01:23:24,267 --> 01:23:26,169 In the end, the only real boogeyman 1868 01:23:26,269 --> 01:23:28,371 is the one that lurks inside of us all, 1869 01:23:28,471 --> 01:23:32,441 waiting for just the right moment to emerge. 1870 01:23:32,541 --> 01:23:35,478 So what's the lesson behind this cautionary tale? 1871 01:23:35,578 --> 01:23:37,280 The warning here is simple-- 1872 01:23:37,380 --> 01:23:40,316 be afraid, not of the story, 1873 01:23:40,416 --> 01:23:42,151 but of the storyteller. 1874 01:23:43,286 --> 01:23:47,290 ( MUSIC PLAYING ) 139403

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