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NARRATOR: In the criminal
justice system,
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sexually based offenses
are considered
especially heinous,
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In New York City,
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the dedicated detectives
who investigate
these vicious felonies
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are members
of an elite squad known
as the Special Victims Unit,
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These are their stories,
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BRODUS: What time is it?
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HUANG: You have
two hours Ieft.
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BRODUS: You're boring me.
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HUANG: Why?
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'Cause your theories
are flawed.
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Which ones?
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AImost all of them.
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And for the record,
I never degraded anybody.
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What do you care
what I think?
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Because according
to your theories,
I don't care about anything.
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It's not the Iast time,
and certainly not the first.
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Well, then, set me straight.
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Tell me about
your first time.
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I'm asking the questions now.
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You tell me
about your first time.
How do you remember it?
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Fondly.
I'm not asking you.
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Fondly.
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I don't have time for games.
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It was painful.
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BRODUS: For who?
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For her. I thought
I'd done something wrong.
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You did. You knocked her up.
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For all your sweaty fumbling,
you earned a Iifetime
of responsibility.
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You Iook the type to have
a Iot of Iittle bastards
running around.
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How many are there?
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A few.
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You're just a rutting dog
in the streets,
a slave to your impulses.
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Your point being,
you're just Iike me?
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You're exactly Iike me.
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My first time
was painful, too.
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But it was perfect.
The thing was exquisite.
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What was her name?
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Nice try.
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Well, now Iook
who's playing games.
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It's my party, gentlemen.
You can Ieave anytime.
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HUANG: But then you wouldn't
have any control,
and where's the fun in that?
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I hate psychiatrists.
Don't you?
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Absolutely.
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You're not Iiked.
How does that make you feel?
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Insightful.
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Really?
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You're a Iiar, Matt.
Your first time
wasn't perfect.
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In fact, it was
so disappointing,
you try not to remember it.
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You were so inept,
so inexperienced, that you
didn't even achieve a climax.
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Not even when
you were by yourself,
reliving the moment.
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One thing was young,
ripe, begging for it.
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But I took my time with it.
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It had the most beautiful
brown eyes, almost sleepy.
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Till I went to work.
Then they went big and round.
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First it pleaded,
then it bargained.
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This interview's over.
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The thing screamed in pain,
yelled in fear.
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It was alive
through every moment of it,
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even when I gutted it
and the blood sprayed
over me Iike a warm shower.
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(SLURPING)
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I can almost taste it.
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Relax, Chief. The guards
are changing shift.
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EIIiot, get up
from the table!
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Detective Stabler. It's been
a while, so I don't expect
you'd remember.
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I'm AIIen Cooper,
my wife Hannah.
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Our daughter Debbie
was murdered...
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Debbie, of course.
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It'II be 1 1 years next month.
Her killer was never caught.
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She was on her way home
from school...
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When she was abducted. I
remember. My partner, Dave
Rosetti, was the Iead on it.
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Yeah. We heard he died.
We're real sorry.
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That's why we're coming
to you now. We know
who killed our Iittle girl.
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Who?
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Matthew Brodus.
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When it first happened,
we couldn't
get past the grief.
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Stuck in our heads,
in the pain.
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Losing Debbie
almost tore us apart.
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Grief therapy,
victims' groups.
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We finally got to a place
where we thought we could
deal with not knowing.
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At Ieast until
Matthew Brodus's
press conference.
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Well, what did he say
to make you believe
he killed your daughter?
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He wants to sell tickets
to his execution,
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claiming he's raising money
for his daughter's education.
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Well, he doesn't
have any children
that we're aware of.
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I still don't see
the connection, though.
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The school Brodus mentioned
was Our Lady of Light,
in Lower Manhattan.
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Debbie's old school.
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If Brodus is
Debbie Cooper's killer,
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why didn't the computer
match the signature?
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The murder happened pre-VICAP.
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A Iot of open homicides
that still aren't
in the system.
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New Jersey is not gonna Iet us
near this hump anyway,
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and even if they did,
Brodus could
still refuse to talk.
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No. Not this guy.
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What makes you so sure?
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Because serial killers
typically kill their victims
immediately
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and then they take their time
with the bodies.
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Brodus is different.
He kept his victims alive.
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He wanted them
to watch him work.
He needs an audience.
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Well, the ME's report stated
that Debbie Cooper
did suffer before she died.
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She was hogtied
with plumber's tape
and tortured.
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And Brodus worked
as a plumber's apprentice.
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He abducted his victims,
he murdered them
at a remote site
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and then he dumped
their bodies.
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This homicide matches
the Jersey victims.
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Except for
the pierced corneas,
committed premortem.
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Why blind this victim
and not the others?
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It's strictly symbolic,
since he wasn't going
to Iet her survive.
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She knew him.
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That's what Dave Rosetti
always thought when
we canvassed everybody.
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We could just never
make the damn connection.
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And what makes you think
you can now?
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Just get this guy
in front of me.
That's all I'II need.
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He dies in Iess than 72 hours.
That might not be an option.
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Brodus is a
multi-victim signature killer.
That's very rare.
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And it's even more rare
to find somebody
who's done it more than once.
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Maybe I could get
a field interview.
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Can the Feds
force Jersey to cooperate?
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No, but a request from
the brass might grease
the wheel. I'II Iet you know.
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EIIiot. Look, I...
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I know you want to help
the Coopers.
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That's not what this is about
and you know it.
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Dave Rosetti put a slug
through his jaw over this.
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You've got three days
to play it out.
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Have Munch run
the Cooper evidence box
over to the Iab.
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Maybe 10 years Iater
we can find some DNA.
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Beware the cop bearing gifts.
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Forget it. I've got three
separate yet simultaneous
trials to prep for.
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Hey, we're in a time crunch.
The perp dies
day after tomorrow.
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Are you trying to clear him?
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Not our jurisdiction.
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We just need some evidence
to tie him to our homicide.
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If he dies
before we can prove it,
the case remains open.
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What have I got to work with?
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Well, we got some
plumber's tape, various fibers
and two different blood types.
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Well, Iet me see
what I can do.
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You the man.
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(BELL RINGING)
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REICHART: Come on.
Don't be Iate.
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I didn't know Debbie Cooper.
She was before my time.
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What happened
to your predecessor,
Mr. Jamison?
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Died of a heart attack
in the mid '90s.
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I'm not really sure
how I can help you,
after all this time.
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Well, my notes state
Debbie Cooper was very
close to a few teachers.
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Vivian Parish,
Michael McKeeney
and Andrea Mason.
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Are they still employed here?
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I never met Vivian Parish.
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Michael Ieft teaching in '98.
I have no idea where he is.
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And Andrea Mason
teaches Government,
but she's out sick.
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We'II need her home number.
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It's in the office.
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Were there
any construction jobs
during that time?
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The rectory was converted
in the '60s. Gym, pool, track
were all added in the '70s.
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That's about it.
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Any plumbing problems?
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We had an old boiler system
that had to be replaced.
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Work was done by
a place in Brooklyn.
I'II get you the name.
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Thanks.
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I had three men
working that job.
Two of them are still here.
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And do you use subcontractors?
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Well, sure,
if the job's too big.
But this one wasn't.
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How many employees
did you have then?
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Fifteen, twenty.
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The apprentices
work part-time.
They come and go.
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Did you have
a Linwood Bradley,
Matthew Braeden
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or Lonnie Matthews
on the payroll?
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Hey, what's this all about?
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That serial killer,
Matthew Linwood Brodus.
Those are his aliases.
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Do you guys really think
if I had that crazy
working for me,
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I wouldn't have
gone to the police?
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Here, Iook for yourselves.
That bastard
never worked here.
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Pretty defensive for a guy
with a clear conscience.
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Maybe he didn't want
to be Iinked with Brodus,
but I'II check him out.
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Still no answer
at Andrea Mason's.
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When's the Iast time
you took a sick day
when you were actually sick?
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Good point. Stabler.
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Yeah. No problem.
I'II be there.
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AII right. Huang wants me
to meet him down at the FBI
field office for Iunch.
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Maybe he's got some good news.
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Good news from the Feds?
More Iike, "Bend over,
we're taking over your case."
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John, times have changed.
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They're not the Iying bastards
they used to be.
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HUANG: There's no time
for a sit-down Iunch.
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We're doing indirect
personality assessments
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with Brodus'
ex-cellmates today.
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How many are there?
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Thanks. Two.
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Robert Rule's doing Iife
for rape and manslaughter.
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Leroy Russell's on death row.
Converted to Islam inside.
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Since then he's been
a model prisoner,
refuses to talk to us.
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What are these IPAs
supposed to give us?
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Background, Iikes, dislikes,
any way to relate to Brodus,
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because he's not just
gonna confess to you.
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I know how to
interrogate a prisoner.
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I know you do, but I doubt
you've encountered this Ievel
of depravity before.
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I've dealt with
serial killers before...
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Who hunted for
short periods of time.
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They're more psychologically
inclined to confess.
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Brodus hunted for years
without detection.
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He's Iike Dahmer
and Lucas and Bundy.
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Sometimes it takes years
for killers Iike that
to relax their guard.
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Look, they all want to talk.
Even Bundy cooperated
in the end.
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Yeah. When you get closer
to the kill date
they become more pliable,
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but you gotta remember
this is a game. Brodus
is holding all the cards.
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You know,
I'm missing Wheel of Fortune
for this Iittle talk.
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What's in it for you?
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You want Brodus?
I want time shaved.
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Sorry. There's no deal
to be had.
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I'm serving a Iife sentence.
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You're a career criminal,
Rule.
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A Iife sentence
doesn't mean Iife,
death doesn't mean death,
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25 years,
it's 1 2 and a half-to-15.
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That burns you, huh?
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Look, I ain't going nowhere.
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Check with the warden.
I'm in for the Iong haul.
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Then you should be glad,
getting a good mark
on your prison record.
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Hey, I can't do something
for nothing. How would
that Iook on my block?
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I gotta Iive here.
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Deal depends on what you know
and then we'II talk terms.
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No. I think we're done here.
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We haven't even started.
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Either you
answer the questions
or you don't, Mr. Rule.
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The FBI doesn't deal.
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What the hell
was that all about?
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Procedure.
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I suggest you get familiar
with it before we do
any more interviews.
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We make deals all the time.
You should've heard Rule out.
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He doesn't know anything
except for background.
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We'd just be wasting our time
with anything else.
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Yeah, how do you know that
if you don't talk
to the scrote?
232
00:11:43,102 --> 00:11:45,297
Because Brodus would
never have told him
anything substantive.
233
00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:46,838
He would've considered
Rule beneath him.
234
00:11:46,906 --> 00:11:48,305
You know that for a fact, huh?
235
00:11:48,374 --> 00:11:50,239
I've been doing this
for a Iong time.
So have I.
236
00:11:50,309 --> 00:11:53,437
You don't get up
from the table until
you've seen everyone's hand.
237
00:11:54,914 --> 00:11:59,817
The FBI is running
these interviews and I'm
not offering any deals.
238
00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:02,649
I hope that's clear.
239
00:12:07,118 --> 00:12:09,518
Jersey won't play ball.
Okay. What can we do?
240
00:12:09,587 --> 00:12:12,112
File an official request,
Iet it go through channels.
241
00:12:12,190 --> 00:12:14,658
By the time we get
that answer, Brodus
will be dead and buried.
242
00:12:14,726 --> 00:12:16,887
We can't tell another state
how to run its business.
243
00:12:16,961 --> 00:12:19,896
New Jersey already has
an inferiority complex
when it comes to New York.
244
00:12:19,964 --> 00:12:22,899
They're digging
in their heels on principle.
245
00:12:23,735 --> 00:12:26,761
AIex, how many phone calls
from victims have you gotten
246
00:12:26,838 --> 00:12:29,807
asking why you Iost a case
and what you're gonna
do about it?
247
00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:31,341
I've had my share.
248
00:12:31,409 --> 00:12:34,674
And how many times
do you actually get
a second chance?
249
00:12:38,383 --> 00:12:39,816
What would you Iike me to do?
250
00:12:39,884 --> 00:12:41,181
File a temporary stay.
251
00:12:41,252 --> 00:12:43,083
No. I am not
comfortable with that.
252
00:12:43,154 --> 00:12:44,678
I'm not Iooking
to commute the guy's sentence.
253
00:12:44,756 --> 00:12:46,621
I just want a Iittle more time
for myself.
254
00:12:46,691 --> 00:12:50,491
Do you have
any direct evidence
Iinking Brodus to the victim?
255
00:12:51,062 --> 00:12:52,051
Not yet.
256
00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:53,461
Then find me some.
257
00:12:54,532 --> 00:12:56,022
In the meantime,
I'm gonna head to New Jersey
258
00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:58,898
and ask an old friend
for a really big favor.
259
00:13:04,375 --> 00:13:07,435
As good as it is to see you,
AIex, the answer's still no.
260
00:13:07,512 --> 00:13:09,002
It's just an interview.
261
00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,911
You've granted them to other
Iaw enforcement agencies.
262
00:13:10,982 --> 00:13:12,006
Why not to mine?
263
00:13:12,083 --> 00:13:15,712
Well, the other cops talked
to Brodus while he still
had appeals on the table,
264
00:13:15,787 --> 00:13:18,585
and we're on the home stretch
now, I can't afford to have
anything go wrong.
265
00:13:18,656 --> 00:13:22,023
We're not trying
to sabotage your execution.
We just want some answers.
266
00:13:22,994 --> 00:13:24,222
Well, if he's your guy,
267
00:13:24,295 --> 00:13:26,525
whoever the victim is
will have justice
the day after tomorrow.
268
00:13:27,832 --> 00:13:31,063
I cannot believe you're gonna
make me do this the hard way.
269
00:13:31,135 --> 00:13:35,003
What'd you expect,
ancient history to get you
an invite to the table?
270
00:13:36,407 --> 00:13:39,035
You know, I came here
as one professional
to another.
271
00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:41,135
I don't need to revel
in the past.
272
00:13:42,513 --> 00:13:45,107
You're good, AIex,
not spectacular.
273
00:13:45,783 --> 00:13:48,775
This is
a political powder keg,
so we can't accommodate you.
274
00:13:48,853 --> 00:13:51,253
What's the matter, AIan,
is this a re-election year?
275
00:13:51,322 --> 00:13:53,916
New Yorkers can't seek relief
because they don't vote here?
276
00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:56,420
You've grown a pair
since the Iast time I saw you.
277
00:13:56,494 --> 00:13:59,554
Yeah. Well, you've Iost yours,
because victims' rights
used to be a priority.
278
00:13:59,630 --> 00:14:00,790
What if he confesses?
279
00:14:00,865 --> 00:14:02,059
Is that such a bad thing?
280
00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:04,829
What is to stop him
from confessing to murders
in other states
281
00:14:04,902 --> 00:14:08,099
and whipping Iaw enforcement
into a jurisdictional frenzy?
282
00:14:08,172 --> 00:14:10,367
What then?
Then you deal with it.
283
00:14:10,441 --> 00:14:12,636
If he murdered other victims
and he takes it to his grave,
284
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:14,439
you become the facilitator.
285
00:14:14,512 --> 00:14:18,608
Brodus will do anything,
say anything to stay
his execution.
286
00:14:18,683 --> 00:14:20,810
Henry Lee Lucas did it.
Bundy did it.
287
00:14:20,885 --> 00:14:22,944
It's their nature
to exploit our weaknesses.
288
00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:26,148
I'm sorry, AIex,
no one gets access. Period.
289
00:14:31,295 --> 00:14:33,661
Unfortunately there wasn't
enough blood to get DNA.
290
00:14:33,731 --> 00:14:35,995
What're you talking about?
The victim's shirt
was soaked in it.
291
00:14:36,067 --> 00:14:37,830
Well, the blood
was mostly hers,
not the killer's.
292
00:14:37,902 --> 00:14:41,065
EIeven years ago,
the Iab used 90%
of the sample for typing.
293
00:14:41,506 --> 00:14:43,167
Give us some good news.
Come on.
294
00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:46,401
Well, the fibers
are consistent
with uniform cloth.
295
00:14:46,477 --> 00:14:49,605
It was cross-matched to a
company that dyes material
for heavy crawl suits,
296
00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,272
pest control, construction.
297
00:14:51,349 --> 00:14:52,782
PIumbers' uniforms.
298
00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:54,317
AIso, the tape
that bound your victim
299
00:14:54,385 --> 00:14:56,353
matches the bin number
of the New Jersey bodies.
300
00:14:56,420 --> 00:14:57,478
There's our connection.
301
00:14:57,555 --> 00:14:58,920
Yeah, it's still
too circumstantial
302
00:14:58,990 --> 00:15:00,651
to force New Jersey's back
against the wall.
303
00:15:00,725 --> 00:15:02,852
I could compare
their fibers to ours.
304
00:15:02,927 --> 00:15:04,451
You think
we'd have any trouble
getting it from them?
305
00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:06,053
Not without a fight. No.
306
00:15:06,397 --> 00:15:08,558
You find anything to Iink
the plumbing company
to Brodus?
307
00:15:08,633 --> 00:15:10,430
No quarterlies were paid for
under any of his aliases.
308
00:15:10,501 --> 00:15:12,935
Under the table.
So I checked with the owner.
309
00:15:13,004 --> 00:15:16,064
Moderate business,
pays his taxes,
guy even does jury duty.
310
00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:18,199
I didn't know that
Iaw-abiding citizens existed.
311
00:15:18,276 --> 00:15:19,300
You recanvassed
the Cooper neighborhood?
312
00:15:19,377 --> 00:15:21,004
Yeah, and you owe me
a new pair of shoes.
313
00:15:21,078 --> 00:15:23,069
No, but after 10 years,
people move,
they don't remember.
314
00:15:23,147 --> 00:15:24,409
How about that teacher?
Andrea Mason?
315
00:15:24,482 --> 00:15:25,506
Yeah. Did you find her?
316
00:15:25,583 --> 00:15:26,845
The interview is scheduled
for tomorrow morning.
317
00:15:26,918 --> 00:15:29,352
I got you covered, EIIiot.
If there was anything solid,
I'd Iet you know.
318
00:15:29,420 --> 00:15:30,751
I'm running
out of time here, John.
319
00:15:30,821 --> 00:15:34,279
You're running out of options.
The Coopers
are running out of time.
320
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,991
I need you to make a deal
with an inmate who shared
a cell with Brodus.
321
00:15:39,063 --> 00:15:40,690
What's he in for?
322
00:15:41,165 --> 00:15:43,827
Two counts rape,
one count manslaughter.
No.
323
00:15:43,901 --> 00:15:47,769
Look, I've hit a wall
and he may have
some information
324
00:15:47,838 --> 00:15:49,965
that'II help us with Brodus.
325
00:15:50,274 --> 00:15:52,037
He's not talking
without some kind
of incentive.
326
00:15:52,109 --> 00:15:53,974
Where's Huang on this?
327
00:15:54,078 --> 00:15:55,375
He wants to follow procedure.
328
00:15:55,446 --> 00:15:56,572
So do I.
329
00:15:56,647 --> 00:16:00,344
And while we play
by some arbitrary rules,
the Coopers just have to wait?
330
00:16:00,418 --> 00:16:04,445
EIIiot, why are you
pushing so hard?
331
00:16:05,823 --> 00:16:09,623
You know, I studied
the crime scene photos,
I read the files.
332
00:16:10,394 --> 00:16:13,557
Brodus mutilated 12 women,
premortem.
333
00:16:13,631 --> 00:16:15,064
It's pretty horrific stuff.
334
00:16:15,132 --> 00:16:19,398
Now try to imagine
the strength, the will it took
to keep those women alive
335
00:16:19,470 --> 00:16:21,461
and feed off their terror.
336
00:16:21,539 --> 00:16:25,908
I'm gonna need as much
ammunition as possible,
if I'm gonna trip this guy up.
337
00:16:25,977 --> 00:16:29,071
And you think this prisoner
will give you some Ieverage?
338
00:16:29,146 --> 00:16:32,343
Well, I ain't gonna know
unless I can talk to him.
339
00:16:34,185 --> 00:16:37,643
As soon as I corroborate your
information, we ship you off
to Danbury Federal Prison.
340
00:16:38,089 --> 00:16:41,456
That's fair.
I raped that girl.
341
00:16:42,793 --> 00:16:44,886
I know I belong in prison,
but not here.
342
00:16:44,962 --> 00:16:47,522
What can you tell me
about Matthew Brodus?
343
00:16:47,598 --> 00:16:50,499
I got a Iittle girl.
She's five.
344
00:16:50,568 --> 00:16:52,297
Her name's Marlene.
345
00:16:53,838 --> 00:16:56,636
Man, you bulls
sure know how to check up.
346
00:16:58,009 --> 00:17:01,604
My ex won't Iet me
talk to her.
She's all I got.
347
00:17:02,847 --> 00:17:07,079
It's hard to do time unless
you got something good
to hold on to.
348
00:17:09,820 --> 00:17:11,981
She sends me drawings
349
00:17:12,056 --> 00:17:17,892
and I got a photo
of her third birthday,
blowing out the candles.
350
00:17:17,962 --> 00:17:20,453
Where are we going with this?
351
00:17:20,631 --> 00:17:22,622
Will you call her for me?
352
00:17:25,569 --> 00:17:26,593
No.
353
00:17:27,938 --> 00:17:30,702
Look, you ask my ex,
how's my baby growing?
354
00:17:30,775 --> 00:17:33,744
What's her favorite color?
How's she doing in school?
355
00:17:33,811 --> 00:17:35,836
PIease, that's all I want.
356
00:17:36,213 --> 00:17:37,976
No.
PIease.
357
00:17:40,751 --> 00:17:42,651
I ain't got
nothing to say, man.
358
00:17:45,056 --> 00:17:48,423
AII I want is to find out
about my Iittle girl.
359
00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,663
If you had a kid,
you'd understand.
360
00:17:58,269 --> 00:18:00,965
I make that call,
we talk about Brodus?
361
00:18:01,439 --> 00:18:03,430
For as Iong as you want.
362
00:18:04,275 --> 00:18:05,970
What's the number?
363
00:18:09,547 --> 00:18:11,276
(DIALING)
364
00:18:14,985 --> 00:18:16,509
(PHONE RINGING)
365
00:18:19,824 --> 00:18:22,315
WOMAN: Hello?
Hello. This is
Detective EIIiot Stabler.
366
00:18:22,393 --> 00:18:24,224
I'm calling
on behalf of Robert Rule...
367
00:18:24,295 --> 00:18:25,990
I miss you so much!
368
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:27,995
(DIAL TONE SOUNDING)
369
00:18:30,801 --> 00:18:32,268
She hung up.
370
00:18:34,105 --> 00:18:35,402
Satisfied?
371
00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:37,430
Yeah, right.
372
00:18:40,811 --> 00:18:42,472
Thanks for trying.
373
00:18:45,983 --> 00:18:49,146
If you have any questions
about the assignment,
just see me after class.
374
00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:51,085
Thank you, Miss Mason.
375
00:18:53,157 --> 00:18:56,854
Andrea Mason?
Detective John Munch.
We spoke on the phone.
376
00:18:57,194 --> 00:18:59,253
Right. Debbie Cooper,
10 years Iater.
377
00:18:59,330 --> 00:19:00,763
Yeah, how well
did you know her?
378
00:19:00,831 --> 00:19:02,856
Well, History
wasn't her best subject.
379
00:19:02,933 --> 00:19:06,232
She did a Iot of extra credit
to pull her grade up.
380
00:19:06,303 --> 00:19:07,292
That's it?
381
00:19:07,371 --> 00:19:09,601
Look, I'm sorry.
It was a Iong time ago.
382
00:19:09,673 --> 00:19:11,903
I think it's great
you're still trying
to solve her murder,
383
00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:13,568
but even when it was fresh
384
00:19:13,644 --> 00:19:16,477
she was just one
of many students
who pass through that door.
385
00:19:16,547 --> 00:19:17,809
She didn't really
stand out, huh?
386
00:19:17,882 --> 00:19:20,316
No. Debbie was awkward,
a Iate bloomer.
387
00:19:20,384 --> 00:19:24,343
Besides Vivian Parish and
a few friends, no one really
took an interest in her.
388
00:19:24,421 --> 00:19:26,218
Do you know
where I can find
Vivian Parish?
389
00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:29,020
Last I heard,
she moved to New Mexico.
390
00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:30,454
Thanks.
391
00:19:33,831 --> 00:19:36,391
Let me guess.
Rule gave you nothing.
392
00:19:37,368 --> 00:19:40,565
Just what he'd culled
from newspapers and the TV.
393
00:19:41,739 --> 00:19:44,640
One day you're going
to actually realize
that I know what I'm doing.
394
00:19:46,343 --> 00:19:47,970
I had to give it a shot.
395
00:19:48,546 --> 00:19:50,173
Apology accepted.
396
00:19:51,015 --> 00:19:52,539
Let's move on.
397
00:19:54,652 --> 00:19:56,779
So where do we go from here?
398
00:19:57,655 --> 00:19:59,555
Brodus' other cellmate.
399
00:19:59,623 --> 00:20:03,218
We figure out a way to get
Leroy Russell to sit down
with us. He's still refusing.
400
00:20:03,294 --> 00:20:05,285
Says it's not on his path
to AIIah.
401
00:20:05,362 --> 00:20:08,490
We're Iooking for
Detective Stabler.
His captain said he'd be here.
402
00:20:08,566 --> 00:20:11,660
Detectives Yorkin
and Janowicz,
Brooklyn SVU.
403
00:20:12,069 --> 00:20:15,470
Did you allow an inmate
named Robert Rule
to use your cell phone?
404
00:20:15,539 --> 00:20:16,597
What's going on?
405
00:20:16,674 --> 00:20:20,474
A call was placed to
a rape victim. She phoned
our precinct in hysterics.
406
00:20:20,544 --> 00:20:24,844
We dumped her phones
and got the cell number
for a Manhattan SVU detective.
407
00:20:24,915 --> 00:20:26,815
Care to tell us
what the hell you were doing?
408
00:20:31,105 --> 00:20:33,903
The victim's name
is EIizabeth Shachtman.
409
00:20:33,974 --> 00:20:36,875
She was 16
when Rule brutally raped her.
I read the file.
410
00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:40,175
A Iittle Iate for that.
What the hell
were you thinking?
411
00:20:40,247 --> 00:20:42,613
He gave me a hard Iuck story
about his kid and I bought it.
412
00:20:42,683 --> 00:20:44,548
Because you wanted to.
413
00:20:44,852 --> 00:20:47,412
Now, how did this convict
get the phone number?
414
00:20:47,488 --> 00:20:49,752
Rule was co-counsel
in his own defense.
415
00:20:49,823 --> 00:20:53,520
The victim's information
was Iisted because she was
a witness at his trial.
416
00:20:53,594 --> 00:20:56,427
I should put you on a desk
and send you over
to the Shachtman residence
417
00:20:56,497 --> 00:20:57,691
to explain yourself.
418
00:20:57,765 --> 00:20:59,289
I already did that.
419
00:21:05,739 --> 00:21:07,331
How's she doing?
420
00:21:08,609 --> 00:21:11,305
She feels violated. Again.
421
00:21:17,084 --> 00:21:20,417
I'II call Brooklyn.
See if I can't smooth it over.
422
00:21:24,925 --> 00:21:26,290
Vivian Parish.
She may have married.
423
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,624
Can you check who's paying
her quarterlies? I'II hold.
424
00:21:29,496 --> 00:21:33,455
Tell me again how my partner
failed to get his
weapon recertification.
425
00:21:33,534 --> 00:21:35,661
He choked.
I didn't choke.
426
00:21:35,736 --> 00:21:38,398
Okay. He got poor marks
for shooting off
his gun early.
427
00:21:38,472 --> 00:21:41,339
That happens to everybody,
Fin. You know,
they have a pill for that now.
428
00:21:44,178 --> 00:21:46,169
So what's your next move?
429
00:21:47,081 --> 00:21:49,015
I don't have one. I mean...
430
00:21:49,083 --> 00:21:51,813
Brodus has another cellmate
but he's not talking to us.
431
00:21:51,885 --> 00:21:55,048
BENSON: Anything on the guy
you can use,
something to twist him with?
432
00:21:55,122 --> 00:21:58,353
He murdered a kid
in a convenience
store robbery.
433
00:21:58,425 --> 00:22:02,225
Shot him point blank
with a sawed-off. Converted
to Islam on the inside.
434
00:22:02,296 --> 00:22:04,230
He's made one appeal since.
435
00:22:04,298 --> 00:22:07,392
I suppose he wanted
his execution date moved up.
436
00:22:08,969 --> 00:22:10,027
Yeah. How do you know?
437
00:22:10,104 --> 00:22:11,332
He's on a path.
438
00:22:11,405 --> 00:22:14,841
It's the one thing
Christianity, Judaism
and Islam have in common.
439
00:22:14,908 --> 00:22:18,435
In order to be a man of God,
you gotta change
the man you are.
440
00:22:18,512 --> 00:22:21,845
Can't you appeal to this guy's
religion? I mean, you're
Iooking to clear a murder.
441
00:22:21,915 --> 00:22:24,076
That's gotta mean something
if his conversion's real.
442
00:22:24,151 --> 00:22:26,278
FIN: He's got a blood debt.
Use that.
443
00:22:26,353 --> 00:22:27,377
BIood debt?
444
00:22:27,454 --> 00:22:32,084
It's in the Koran.
He took a Iife, so he owes
a debt for spilling blood.
445
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:33,956
It's Islamic justice.
446
00:22:37,297 --> 00:22:38,662
DANIEL: How can I help you,
Detective?
447
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:42,365
PIease believe me that if
there were any other way,
I wouldn't be here.
448
00:22:42,436 --> 00:22:45,928
I've caused victims
enough grief already.
449
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:52,906
Sir, I'm here to request
that you face
your son's killer
450
00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:54,607
and ask him to talk to us.
451
00:22:54,681 --> 00:22:57,707
Why? Why would you ever
ask me to do that?
452
00:22:57,785 --> 00:23:01,186
He may have some information
to give another grieving
family some relief.
453
00:23:01,255 --> 00:23:03,621
I can't.
I believe you can, sir.
454
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,883
In my opinion,
455
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,063
any man who opposed
the death sentence
456
00:23:10,130 --> 00:23:13,896
on behalf of his son's killer
is strong enough to face him.
457
00:23:13,967 --> 00:23:15,935
I don't give a damn
what you think.
458
00:23:16,003 --> 00:23:20,235
Yes, I spoke at his
sentencing. But I didn't do it
for him. I did it for me.
459
00:23:20,307 --> 00:23:24,539
His death doesn't Iessen
my pain and it sure as hell
doesn't give me back my son.
460
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,807
I apologize
for reopening your wounds.
461
00:23:28,882 --> 00:23:30,281
You didn't.
462
00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:32,147
My wounds never heal.
463
00:23:33,754 --> 00:23:36,484
At Ieast you know
who killed your child.
464
00:23:37,224 --> 00:23:39,454
Debbie Cooper's parents don't.
465
00:23:53,607 --> 00:23:55,234
Why is he in chains?
466
00:23:55,309 --> 00:23:57,834
With a civilian in the room,
we take extra precautions.
467
00:24:00,380 --> 00:24:02,940
I'm told
you're a religious man now.
468
00:24:04,017 --> 00:24:05,177
I owe you a debt.
469
00:24:05,252 --> 00:24:06,617
DANIEL: You can't pay it.
470
00:24:06,687 --> 00:24:10,748
So I need you to talk
to these men. Answer their
questions and try not to Iie.
471
00:24:12,726 --> 00:24:14,250
Questions about what?
472
00:24:14,328 --> 00:24:15,727
STABLER: Matthew Brodus.
473
00:24:17,865 --> 00:24:19,992
I don't really know the man.
474
00:24:20,234 --> 00:24:23,431
You shared a cell with him
for three years. What were
your impressions of him?
475
00:24:24,805 --> 00:24:26,363
He's a killer.
476
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,998
So you have a Iot in common.
477
00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:35,170
He used to always
ask me questions.
478
00:24:35,549 --> 00:24:37,380
What kind of questions?
479
00:24:37,451 --> 00:24:40,887
Why I was on death row.
Who I killed.
480
00:24:43,156 --> 00:24:44,646
How I did it.
481
00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:49,359
My answers
used to piss him off.
482
00:24:50,631 --> 00:24:54,123
That's because
you killed a young man
that you didn't hunt first,
483
00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:57,102
and so Brodus couldn't
get a vicarious thrill
from your experience.
484
00:24:57,170 --> 00:24:59,604
I shot that boy
'cause he saw my face.
485
00:25:00,541 --> 00:25:04,102
But Brodus,
he took joy in the killing.
486
00:25:06,713 --> 00:25:10,649
One night, he talked to me
about all the things he did.
487
00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:13,543
I asked to be moved
out of there after that.
488
00:25:13,654 --> 00:25:14,951
What kind of things?
489
00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:18,721
Stalking, gutting,
490
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:22,051
doing things to the body.
491
00:25:22,362 --> 00:25:24,125
He used to think
he was smarter
than everybody else
492
00:25:24,197 --> 00:25:26,062
even when he made a mistake.
493
00:25:26,133 --> 00:25:28,101
He killed a blind girl
close to home.
494
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,061
Did he say how he did it?
495
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,432
No, and I didn't ask.
496
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,075
Can I go now,
back to my cell?
497
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:45,175
Evening prayers, you know?
498
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,982
Officer.
499
00:25:52,392 --> 00:25:55,327
You refused to speak
during your sentencing.
500
00:25:57,230 --> 00:26:01,291
I need to know what my son's
Iast moments were Iike.
501
00:26:03,003 --> 00:26:04,766
Did he say anything?
502
00:26:07,007 --> 00:26:08,269
No, sir.
503
00:26:09,776 --> 00:26:14,577
You don't need the image of
your boy dying with my voice
in your head telling you how.
504
00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:23,313
Leroy Russell confirms
Brodus blinded and murdered
one of his victims
505
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:24,789
that was too close to home.
506
00:26:24,858 --> 00:26:27,053
None of the New Jersey victims
match Leroy's story.
507
00:26:27,127 --> 00:26:28,151
That doesn't mean anything.
508
00:26:28,228 --> 00:26:30,253
It's hearsay testimony
from a man on death row.
509
00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:32,321
Munch Iocated that teacher,
Vivian Parish.
510
00:26:32,399 --> 00:26:34,424
Not only did she date Brodus
for six months,
511
00:26:34,501 --> 00:26:37,026
he regularly picked her up
from school and, I quote,
512
00:26:37,104 --> 00:26:38,969
"Gave Debbie Cooper
a ride home once or twice."
513
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,303
Now is that enough
for a murder indictment?
514
00:26:41,375 --> 00:26:45,038
And as soon as I file,
they'II say we can have
him when they're done.
515
00:26:45,112 --> 00:26:46,545
So that's it?
We're done trying?
516
00:26:46,613 --> 00:26:48,581
What else can we do?
517
00:26:49,349 --> 00:26:51,613
Explain it to her parents.
518
00:26:55,722 --> 00:26:57,883
I understand
we have new evidence.
519
00:26:58,692 --> 00:27:00,557
So where do we go from here,
Miss Cabot?
520
00:27:01,128 --> 00:27:03,653
I'm not sure
what I can give you
besides knowledge.
521
00:27:06,099 --> 00:27:09,466
Can you prove
that Matthew Brodus
killed our daughter?
522
00:27:09,536 --> 00:27:11,561
Not in a court of Iaw.
523
00:27:11,638 --> 00:27:15,267
But we are reasonably sure
he's guilty and he is being
executed for his crimes.
524
00:27:15,342 --> 00:27:18,175
Are you familiar
with the name Ottis Toole?
525
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:23,675
He's the guy every cop
believes murdered John Walsh's
six-year-old son, Adam.
526
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:26,310
Toole died of AIDS
on death row
before we could prove it.
527
00:27:26,386 --> 00:27:29,651
And after 21 years
you can still see
the rage and grief
528
00:27:29,723 --> 00:27:31,691
that John Walsh
carries with him.
529
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,351
His hope died
along with his son's killer.
530
00:27:36,496 --> 00:27:38,487
If you don't do everything
within your power
531
00:27:38,565 --> 00:27:41,864
to prove Matthew Brodus
murdered our daughter,
so will ours.
532
00:27:47,774 --> 00:27:50,834
I'm Wade Harris,
Matthew Brodus' Iead counsel.
533
00:27:50,911 --> 00:27:52,401
Nice to meet you.
534
00:27:52,479 --> 00:27:55,710
Frankly, I'm blown away
that the Manhattan
D.A.'s office
535
00:27:55,782 --> 00:27:57,943
is interested
in stopping this execution.
536
00:27:58,018 --> 00:28:01,078
We're not.
I want to put your client
on trial for murder.
537
00:28:01,154 --> 00:28:03,145
That should buy you
six months to a year.
538
00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:06,386
No, actually, I think
I could drag it out to 18,
if I drown you in paper.
539
00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:08,621
I've drafted the request
for a temporary
restraining order.
540
00:28:08,695 --> 00:28:11,061
And what makes you so sure
a judge will go for it?
541
00:28:11,131 --> 00:28:14,294
Evidence and an appeal
from the victim's parents.
542
00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:16,600
What kind of evidence?
543
00:28:17,904 --> 00:28:21,169
You file capital charges
against my client,
I have right to discovery.
544
00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:23,573
Only when and if I file.
545
00:28:25,312 --> 00:28:28,304
You need to keep
your client alive.
Right now, I'm all you've got.
546
00:28:29,182 --> 00:28:30,274
Deal?
547
00:28:41,027 --> 00:28:42,016
Miss Cabot?
548
00:28:42,362 --> 00:28:44,887
Your Honor,
the People are seeking
a temporary restraining order
549
00:28:44,965 --> 00:28:48,128
based on new evidence
Iinking Matthew Brodus
to an open homicide.
550
00:28:48,201 --> 00:28:50,726
None of which is under
New Jersey's
Iegal jurisdiction.
551
00:28:50,804 --> 00:28:52,897
As officers of the court,
we cannot ignore
capital crimes,
552
00:28:52,973 --> 00:28:54,065
no matter where they occur.
553
00:28:54,141 --> 00:28:57,201
I've reviewed their evidence
and it's circumstantial
at best
554
00:28:57,277 --> 00:29:01,873
and doesn't even meet the
criteria for trial, not here
and certainly not in New York.
555
00:29:02,349 --> 00:29:04,613
Is Manhattan proposing
to try Mr. Brodus?
556
00:29:04,684 --> 00:29:05,981
Not at this time, Your Honor.
557
00:29:06,052 --> 00:29:09,510
So is the purpose of the TRO
to go on a fishing expedition?
558
00:29:09,589 --> 00:29:12,524
Your Honor, the Iaw
does not allow for
posthumous jurisprudence.
559
00:29:12,592 --> 00:29:16,221
If Mr. Brodus dies before
discovery has been had,
the truth dies with him.
560
00:29:16,296 --> 00:29:18,594
This is a ploy
to stay the execution,
Your Honor.
561
00:29:18,665 --> 00:29:20,496
The defense
has exhausted their appeals
562
00:29:20,567 --> 00:29:22,558
and are now preying
on New York's desperation.
563
00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:24,661
I submit, the prisoner
is in your custody
564
00:29:24,738 --> 00:29:26,899
and available to be executed
at your discretion.
565
00:29:26,973 --> 00:29:29,806
Which is currently scheduled
for midnight tonight.
566
00:29:29,876 --> 00:29:32,504
We should not allow them
to stymie our ability
to mete justice.
567
00:29:32,579 --> 00:29:35,810
The prisoner will be
just as dead
six months from now.
568
00:29:35,882 --> 00:29:38,680
Your Honor,
we're not seeking justice,
we're only seeking the truth.
569
00:29:38,752 --> 00:29:41,778
Under the circumstances,
and given
who the defendant is,
570
00:29:41,855 --> 00:29:44,756
I'm not convinced
you'II be able to get it.
571
00:29:44,891 --> 00:29:47,382
AII right, people,
don't go far.
572
00:29:51,264 --> 00:29:53,129
So what are our chances?
573
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,135
It's hard to gauge.
I'd say we're about even.
574
00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:59,700
So what's with the face?
You're acting Iike
we've already Iost.
575
00:29:59,773 --> 00:30:02,037
Something about
helping a convicted
serial killer
576
00:30:02,108 --> 00:30:05,908
avoid the needle
he so justly deserves
does not sit well with me.
577
00:30:07,581 --> 00:30:09,742
Is the judge back?
Not yet.
578
00:30:11,484 --> 00:30:13,918
Are you only Iooking
for an exceptional clearance?
579
00:30:13,987 --> 00:30:17,354
An interview
is all we've ever asked for.
Nothing's changed.
580
00:30:18,959 --> 00:30:20,790
I need your word
that you'II decline
to prosecute,
581
00:30:20,861 --> 00:30:22,692
no matter what Brodus
reveals to you.
582
00:30:24,164 --> 00:30:25,654
You've got it.
583
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,494
I'II set up the interview.
Be ready in an hour.
584
00:30:34,091 --> 00:30:35,854
HUANG:
Try to keep him off balance.
585
00:30:35,926 --> 00:30:38,292
When I stress him,
be his friend.
Otherwise push him hard.
586
00:30:38,362 --> 00:30:40,193
You'II be watching
his body Ianguage
for signals.
587
00:30:40,263 --> 00:30:43,130
When you ask
an innocuous question,
I'II just back off.
588
00:30:43,433 --> 00:30:46,869
And pay attention to his eyes.
Serial killers
have this stare.
589
00:30:46,937 --> 00:30:49,462
It's focused.
It's Iike animals
when they're hunting.
590
00:30:49,539 --> 00:30:51,063
And when he's not hunting?
591
00:30:51,141 --> 00:30:53,507
Then he can't Iook you
in the eye.
592
00:30:53,677 --> 00:30:55,167
Anything else?
593
00:30:55,512 --> 00:30:57,173
You know,
this might not work.
594
00:30:58,081 --> 00:31:00,413
He's not going to trust us
and he might
play this out to the end.
595
00:31:00,484 --> 00:31:02,918
You gotta be prepared,
in case we run out of time.
596
00:31:17,668 --> 00:31:18,896
Hey.
597
00:31:19,069 --> 00:31:20,730
Detective Stabler.
598
00:31:22,105 --> 00:31:24,073
I'm Dr. George Huang.
599
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:28,439
Behavioral science.
600
00:31:29,379 --> 00:31:33,713
Prescient spooks
studying rats in a cage.
How boring.
601
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:37,085
STABLER: You're not boring,
Mr. Brodus.
602
00:31:37,454 --> 00:31:39,354
You can call me Matt,
603
00:31:41,258 --> 00:31:42,486
EIIiot.
604
00:31:44,094 --> 00:31:47,552
I'm not a mind reader.
They just announce
my visitors.
605
00:31:48,298 --> 00:31:49,788
So what's this about?
606
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:52,960
Well, we just decided
to take you up
on your invitation.
607
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:56,472
Not that I mind the company,
but I don't recall
inviting you.
608
00:31:58,675 --> 00:32:01,701
You also don't seem
too surprised
to be seeing us.
609
00:32:01,845 --> 00:32:05,144
Why should I be?
Feds come in and out all day.
610
00:32:07,651 --> 00:32:09,585
You been helping us out?
611
00:32:09,786 --> 00:32:11,413
As much as I can.
612
00:32:12,022 --> 00:32:14,957
But they want me
to admit to things
I haven't done.
613
00:32:15,025 --> 00:32:19,291
If it wasn't for the missing
women and their poor families,
I'd Iaugh.
614
00:32:20,964 --> 00:32:22,932
At what?
You cops.
615
00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:26,965
Trying to beat your own clock.
616
00:32:32,809 --> 00:32:34,037
(CLEARS THROAT)
617
00:32:34,478 --> 00:32:36,639
What's so special
about Our Lady of Light?
618
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:40,414
That a church?
619
00:32:40,517 --> 00:32:43,714
Catholic high school.
You mentioned you wanted
to send your daughter there.
620
00:32:46,289 --> 00:32:48,951
I want her to have
a first-class education.
621
00:32:50,494 --> 00:32:52,189
You don't have
any children, Matt.
622
00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:53,854
You sure about that?
623
00:32:55,766 --> 00:32:59,600
You think any woman's
gonna come forward
with my kid?
624
00:32:59,669 --> 00:33:02,638
Much Iess admit to having
slept with me? Come on.
625
00:33:02,706 --> 00:33:04,503
How about you give me a name,
and I'II check it out?
626
00:33:04,574 --> 00:33:07,509
You'II have to wait
until my will
goes into probate.
627
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,748
Why didn't you kill
your girlfriend,
Vivian Parish?
628
00:33:16,953 --> 00:33:18,352
Now you're insulting me.
629
00:33:18,421 --> 00:33:21,788
Well, I don't want to do that.
I apologize. It just seems
that if you'd killed her,
630
00:33:21,858 --> 00:33:23,689
you probably would've
gotten pinched right away
631
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,285
and 13 women
would still be alive.
632
00:33:26,363 --> 00:33:28,661
We all know
the record says 12.
633
00:33:30,867 --> 00:33:33,461
We both know
the record is incorrect.
634
00:33:41,711 --> 00:33:43,576
They give you anything
for that insomnia, Matt?
635
00:33:43,647 --> 00:33:46,138
Pills don't work.
What time is it?
636
00:33:47,684 --> 00:33:49,652
It's 8:33.
637
00:33:52,489 --> 00:33:55,014
What's in the folder?
It's a project.
638
00:33:55,091 --> 00:33:57,389
I want to ask your opinion
about a killer's M.O.
639
00:33:59,596 --> 00:34:00,654
He still out there?
640
00:34:00,730 --> 00:34:03,028
Don't know.
He hasn't worked in a while.
641
00:34:03,099 --> 00:34:07,297
We wanted to go through the
three D's of sadism: dread,
dependency, degradation.
642
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:09,133
Are you up for that?
643
00:34:11,441 --> 00:34:13,466
Can I take a Iook, please?
644
00:34:25,322 --> 00:34:26,721
What's this?
645
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:29,156
A medical examiner's report
on the body.
646
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,285
That's boring. Where are
the crime scene photos?
647
00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:35,695
There's a picture
under the report.
648
00:34:35,765 --> 00:34:38,427
It says our killer
tortured the victim.
649
00:34:39,236 --> 00:34:40,726
Any ideas why?
650
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,539
No.
HUANG: Why not?
651
00:34:52,616 --> 00:34:54,743
You did
some of the same things
to your victims.
652
00:34:54,818 --> 00:34:56,445
The big girls that you chose.
653
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,180
Since Debbie Cooper
was a big girl,
654
00:34:58,255 --> 00:35:01,986
we figured you might
have some ideas why
she was cut so deeply.
655
00:35:02,058 --> 00:35:05,289
If I could see
some crime scene photos,
I could probably help you.
656
00:35:05,362 --> 00:35:08,923
You don't need them.
Look inside your head.
You'II see it.
657
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,565
See someone else's work?
Can't be done.
658
00:35:13,837 --> 00:35:15,532
STABLER: He overpowers her.
659
00:35:16,306 --> 00:35:18,968
Easy for a man of some size,
Iike you.
660
00:35:21,077 --> 00:35:24,706
He binds her tight with tape.
PIays with her for a while.
661
00:35:25,048 --> 00:35:27,039
HUANG:
He feeds off her terror.
662
00:35:27,684 --> 00:35:32,178
He can't get enough,
so that she dreads when
he Ieaves and when he returns.
663
00:35:32,255 --> 00:35:36,385
But he's not
gonna do her right away.
He wants a few days with her.
664
00:35:36,693 --> 00:35:38,160
So now she has
to depend on him.
665
00:35:38,228 --> 00:35:40,355
But then he has
to take the thing
and slice it open
666
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,796
and see what's
going on in there.
667
00:35:43,867 --> 00:35:46,097
The knife goes in Iike butter.
668
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:48,867
It's so warm inside.
669
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,373
But he has to be
quick about it.
It'II be cold soon.
670
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:55,910
STABLER: Why does he have
to be quick now?
671
00:35:56,212 --> 00:35:57,839
To be born again.
672
00:36:00,784 --> 00:36:02,149
Are we talking religion now?
673
00:36:02,218 --> 00:36:06,120
No. Where's the one place
that your mother
can never Ieave you?
674
00:36:06,222 --> 00:36:07,280
(GRUNTS)
675
00:36:08,558 --> 00:36:12,392
Psychiatric pap.
You always blame Mom.
676
00:36:12,462 --> 00:36:16,523
Yeah, yeah. Well, why not?
I mean, Iook at your mother.
677
00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:17,691
Leave her out of this.
678
00:36:17,767 --> 00:36:21,396
She couldn't stand you.
She Ieft you
with your grandparents.
679
00:36:21,471 --> 00:36:23,803
When they died,
she shipped you off
to foster care.
680
00:36:23,873 --> 00:36:25,431
She came and got me.
She Ioved me.
681
00:36:25,508 --> 00:36:30,468
Matt, tell the truth.
She got married. She had a
daughter with her new husband.
682
00:36:30,547 --> 00:36:35,177
And when she Ieft him,
she took your half-sister
with her and Ieft you behind.
683
00:36:35,251 --> 00:36:38,812
Again. I mean, obviously,
she must have Ioathed you.
684
00:36:38,888 --> 00:36:42,517
She saw the real you
and it made her want to vomit.
685
00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:45,488
How many times did she
tell you she wished
you'd been aborted?
686
00:36:45,562 --> 00:36:49,828
She never said that.
She Ioved me.
She never said that, ever.
687
00:36:55,638 --> 00:36:56,696
I'm done talking to you.
688
00:36:56,773 --> 00:36:59,537
We're not finished, Matt.
You're helping us
with this one case.
689
00:36:59,609 --> 00:37:01,440
We've covered dread
and dependency.
690
00:37:01,511 --> 00:37:03,877
Now we're gonna see
how Debbie Cooper
was degraded.
691
00:37:03,947 --> 00:37:06,006
How many times was the killer
with her postmortem, huh?
692
00:37:06,082 --> 00:37:08,915
What are you talking about?
That's obscene.
693
00:37:10,086 --> 00:37:12,213
Just think Iike the killer.
Go ahead.
How should I know?
694
00:37:12,288 --> 00:37:14,756
Ask the shrink.
He's probably treated
psychos Iike that.
695
00:37:14,824 --> 00:37:18,123
It depends on how often
the killer visited the body.
696
00:37:18,395 --> 00:37:21,489
How many times
did you check on your victims?
697
00:37:21,831 --> 00:37:26,734
Hey, I only went back
to see if they were still
where I Ieft them. That's all.
698
00:37:26,903 --> 00:37:29,838
Not this guy. He went back
to be with them, you know?
699
00:37:32,442 --> 00:37:34,069
I can't help you.
700
00:37:38,181 --> 00:37:41,446
Do you believe I'm gonna think
any Iess of you?
701
00:37:41,518 --> 00:37:44,817
I'm telling you, I never
messed around with them
after they were dead.
702
00:37:44,888 --> 00:37:46,879
The guy you're Iooking for
is sick. Real sick.
703
00:37:46,956 --> 00:37:49,618
What woman alive
would be with you, though?
704
00:37:49,692 --> 00:37:50,716
Vivian Parish.
705
00:37:50,794 --> 00:37:54,628
I talked with her. She said
you had a tough time
closing the deal.
706
00:37:54,697 --> 00:37:56,824
Well, if she said that,
then the bitch Iied.
707
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:58,800
You're a cop, you're supposed
to tell the difference.
708
00:37:58,868 --> 00:38:01,268
Oh, I can and I do.
709
00:38:01,638 --> 00:38:05,768
It's in their nature.
They say they don't want it
but they really do.
710
00:38:05,842 --> 00:38:07,867
No means yes. Yes means no.
711
00:38:07,944 --> 00:38:11,436
You know, I should've
disappeared the whore
before she went out west.
712
00:38:11,514 --> 00:38:13,448
I missed my chance
by 20 minutes.
713
00:38:13,516 --> 00:38:15,143
But she knew who you were
and she was way ahead of you.
714
00:38:15,218 --> 00:38:17,379
She was an idiot,
a moon-eyed cow.
715
00:38:17,454 --> 00:38:20,252
Debbie just wanted someone
to tell her ugly ass
that she was pretty.
716
00:38:20,323 --> 00:38:23,588
Thought she was
in a Harlequin romance.
Stupid bitch.
717
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:24,991
STABLER: Debbie?
718
00:38:28,798 --> 00:38:30,459
SIip of the tongue.
719
00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:35,700
One of my Jersey girls.
720
00:38:35,772 --> 00:38:38,240
No, it's not. None of them
are named Debbie or Deborah.
721
00:38:38,308 --> 00:38:40,936
None of the middle names
match, either.
722
00:38:41,811 --> 00:38:44,405
Why don't you stop Iying?
Let's just get down to it.
723
00:38:51,054 --> 00:38:54,319
You know, you're not as smart
as you think you are.
724
00:38:58,394 --> 00:38:59,986
What time is it?
725
00:39:00,196 --> 00:39:01,754
CABOT: How many of these
have you done?
726
00:39:01,831 --> 00:39:04,129
This is my second.
727
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,033
If my presence
wasn't required,
I wouldn't be here.
728
00:39:07,103 --> 00:39:10,834
So you can ask for
the death penalty but you
cannot stomach the reality?
729
00:39:10,907 --> 00:39:15,003
I do my job.
I do it for the families.
I don't have to Iike it.
730
00:39:15,078 --> 00:39:16,443
(ALARM BLARING)
731
00:39:17,013 --> 00:39:19,573
Move! Go! Let's go!
Let's go! Let's go!
What's going on?
732
00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:21,048
Wait!
Just move! Move!
733
00:39:21,117 --> 00:39:22,482
Hey, hey!
Move!
734
00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:25,552
Lock it down!
Lock it down!
735
00:39:26,523 --> 00:39:28,821
What's going on,
Mr. Messinger?
Is someone trying to escape?
736
00:39:28,892 --> 00:39:30,826
I don't know, Mr. Pierce,
but we'II be safe here.
737
00:39:30,894 --> 00:39:33,226
This isn't gonna
stop the execution, right?
738
00:39:33,296 --> 00:39:34,786
(MAN CHATTERING ON PA)
739
00:39:49,479 --> 00:39:51,504
Debbie didn't fight back.
740
00:39:52,382 --> 00:39:54,145
OFFICER: Get him off!
Get him! Hurry up!
741
00:39:54,217 --> 00:39:56,208
Get him off of him!
Get him off!
742
00:40:00,323 --> 00:40:02,154
You okay?
Got him?
743
00:40:03,393 --> 00:40:05,520
Don't! That's what he wants!
744
00:40:12,001 --> 00:40:13,798
Any news on Huang?
745
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:16,236
He's going to be okay,
but they want to
keep him overnight.
746
00:40:16,306 --> 00:40:18,866
And Brodus?
He's on a ventilator.
747
00:40:20,109 --> 00:40:21,406
I have to tell the families.
I'II do it.
748
00:40:21,477 --> 00:40:22,501
I think you've done enough.
749
00:40:22,579 --> 00:40:25,980
They need to know
that he planned this.
I'II explain it to them.
750
00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:30,110
The only thing
that matters to them is
we can't execute him now.
751
00:40:30,186 --> 00:40:33,747
The state can't execute
an unhealthy man.
It's the Iaw.
752
00:40:33,823 --> 00:40:36,587
So as Iong as he's in a coma,
we can't get justice.
What a waste.
753
00:40:36,659 --> 00:40:40,425
You're wrong.
I got a confession
on Debbie Cooper.
754
00:40:45,301 --> 00:40:47,235
MESSINGER: They won't care.
755
00:40:48,271 --> 00:40:50,102
Would you?
756
00:40:53,876 --> 00:40:55,468
Go home.
757
00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:04,348
(CROWD CLAMORING)
9999
00:00:0,500 --> 00:00:2,00
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