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I felt like I could
talk to him, you know?
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Like he was a normal person,
not a celebrity.
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Very welcoming.
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Robert treated me very well.
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Charismatic. Funny.
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Extremely caring.
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He's hard not to like.
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It was very romantic to me.
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Our relationship was beautiful
in the beginning.
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But, um...
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Didn't know about
the storm on the horizon.
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He would break you down.
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He would turn around and say,
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"I'm the only one
that loves you,
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I'm the only one
who cares about you."
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I was mentally drained.
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Robert feels
as if he's invincible.
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"I can't be touched."
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And in hindsight, in society,
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we kind of made him
feel that way.
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He had a voice
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that was incredible.
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All the labels start calling,
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and that's when he took off.
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His songs were a huge part
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of the soundtrack of our lives.
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I heard a lot about Rob
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going to Kenwood High School.
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I always wondered,
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what the heck is he doing
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hanging around the high school?
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He liked high school girls.
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They were too young for him.
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They were so vulnerable.
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I didn't want
to believe that Robert
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was messing with Aaliyah
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because she was so young.
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The door flew open on the bus.
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Robert was having sex
with Aaliyah.
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A 15-year old girl.
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Rob was the big star
of Chicago at that time.
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He was all over the radio,
the radio loved him.
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He had a lot of hit songs
and they were playing his songs.
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Chicago loved R. Kelly.
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There was "Vibe,"
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and he another big hit,
"Honey Love."
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You had to know
who R. Kelly was.
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He was larger than life.
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It was kind of like
all of our hopes and dreams
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wrapped up into this artist.
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Teenage girls definitely
wanted to meet him,
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and I had heard lots of stories
about girls who did.
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This is really
about an adult man who is using
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the power of his fame
and wealth and whatever
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to systematically degrade
little black girls.
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When you get type of power,
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you kind of lose
perspective of reality.
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Robert dated a lot of women
from a lot of different cities.
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We-We'd fly 'em in,
we'd fly 'em out.
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Robert likes younger women.
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You have people
who have fantasies
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about different things.
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I like older women.
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Go figure, you know?
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But that's just a preference.
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It's a preference.
Everyone has preferences.
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So, what is the big deal?
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What's the big issue
with my brother?
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When I went down to the
studio, I could see what kind
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of lifestyle Rob was living and
what was going on in his life.
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And it didn't look good to me.
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There was a bedroom in the
main room of the studio.
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There was girls everywhere.
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There was a young girl sitting,
and she had to be, I don't--
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I haven't checked her ID,
I don't know,
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but anywhere between 15 to 17
to 18-- she was a teenager.
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She was young.
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You can tell what's young.
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I don't know
if they were together.
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When I went to another room,
there was a girl in that room.
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With the lights out. Waiting.
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There was another girl
in this lounge, over there.
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Lights out, waiting.
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And I'm telling Reed,
my business partner,
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"What the hell is going on?"
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Robert...
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he's hard not to like.
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It's hard not to like him.
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I was at a party at his house,
and I didn't drink,
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but his friend gave me
some alcohol.
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So, I-I was really, like, hazy,
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and I remember
he took me up to the room.
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It was just a blur.
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He went back to the party
and I just kind of passed out.
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It was my first
sexual experience,
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and I didn't think
it would be that way.
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Sex with him felt not natural.
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Visiting him,
it was mainly about sex.
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I felt like a sex object.
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You know, he would just say,
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"I still want to, um,
help you with your career."
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Music was my joy.
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So I felt like
my dreams are gonna come true.
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I just kind of, like,
listened to him
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and said okay, you know,
and stayed
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there by myself.
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He would have people follow me
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because he told me as much,
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"If you leave this hotel room
or go anywhere,
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"I have my boys following you,
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and I know everything
that you're doing."
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So I was very fearful.
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Wouldn't hear from him for days,
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and then he would come back,
and it was just
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sex and abu-- and-and...
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mental and physical abuse.
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And here we have R. Kelly,
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who's saying, "I will help
you create a career."
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But he never intended
to do that.
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And, here again, women trying
to move up in good faith.
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"I am a singer, I will listen
to you. I will..."
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And he's just like,
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"I'm just gonna take you
and take your body."
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A lot of the young women
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who became involved with him,
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a lot of them started
from the same place
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that most people
in the black community are,
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of, "I've heard those rumors,
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"but I don't believe
that to be true.
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"I'm an aspiring star,
I'm not a gold digger.
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"I'm not fast. I'm not this,
that, or the other.
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I'm introduced to him or I get
an opportunity to meet him."
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Um, and he's a charming,
rich, famous person
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who has the ability
to fly you around the world
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or, you know, buy you whatever
you want or do whatever.
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I mean, that's, that's
a lot of temptation
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for somebody so young and naive.
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The first time
he was physically abusive,
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I was 17 and I-I said hello to
someone that I shouldn't have,
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or I was looking at someone
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that I shouldn't have been
looking at.
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You know,
so he didn't like that.
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He took me outside
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and smacked me and said, like,
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"You can-- You're only supposed
to look at me."
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And I don't understand this.
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I just...
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I just cried and said okay.
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And then I did that
going forward
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'cause I didn't want to get--
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I didn't want to anger him
or get hit.
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Anybody
can be a victim of abuse.
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However,
there are certain contexts
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and certain characteristics that
can make you more vulnerable.
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Like inequal power dynamics.
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Girls can go into a situation
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really wanting something...
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...and when somebody feels
that they can
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hold that something
over her head,
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"If you just do this with me,"
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and the behavior and the
exploitation can escalate.
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When did you
find out that he was married?
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Maybe a year
after they were married.
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I never knew.
Never said anything.
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My best friend said
she heard it on the radio.
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And...
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I was, like, in shock.
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We never spoke of the marriag.
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He never told me
about the marriage.
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There were quite a few
women, but there are only
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a couple of women in his life
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that-that I know of
that he really loved.
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Obviously,
Aaliyah and my sister,
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Andrea Lee, at the time,
now Kelly.
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I was shocked
that Robert married her.
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It just looked like to me
that they weren't compatible.
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She just seemed different than,
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what he was, what
he was accustomed to...
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having.
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My name is Andrea Kelly.
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Born and raised
in the Windy City.
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My family says that I danced
before I walked.
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Dance is the reason
why I met Robert.
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A good friend of mine,
Larry, convinced me
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to go to an audition.
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I'm like, "Larry, I'm not going
to an audition.
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First of all,
who the hell is R. Kelly?"
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'Cause I'd never heard of him
at that point.
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He's like, "No,
you should come, it's dope.
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"He's got this new song out
called 'Sex Me.'
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He's going on tour,
he's looking for dancers."
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She killed it.
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She was the best
out of 400 girls.
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I mean, Drea's probably one of
the best dancers in the world.
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This lady says,
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"You got the job.
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He loved you."
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And that's how
our worlds collide.
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He was a go-getter,
and that was amazing
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to me, to see somebody who,
after sharing
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that he didn't read
or wr-write well.
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But you could create
these amazing songs.
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I was mesmerized.
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There is a part of me
that's like,
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"Wow, he is really
a musical genius."
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I started to see a more gentle
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or, I-I'd rather say,
vulnerable side.
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He started to get to the point
where he would ask me
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to teach him how to read.
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Being able to share
the loss of his mom...
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With me,
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it was like, 100% wall down.
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Down to the studs.
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The nurturer that I am,
you're thinking,
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"Okay, I'm not gonna be
that person in his life
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"that turns a blind eye.
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"I'm not gonna be
that person in his life
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"that his story
is falling on deaf ears.
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"I'm gonna be
that person in his life
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that's gonna love him
through it."
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And it was actually beautiful
in the beginning.
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But, um...
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Didn't know about the storm
on the horizon.
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Someone like R.
Kelly would use
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their vulnerability to make
the victim comfortable.
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And so, the victim
would then feel,
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"Okay, well, they've shared this
very private moment with me."
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And that's how you build trust.
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Vulnerability, um,
builds trust in that regard.
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For many girls and women,
it starts as, um, caring.
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Feeling cared for.
Feeling paid attention to.
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Um, and then getting lulled
into, over time,
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more constricting
and more abusive behavior.
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I saw another side of him.
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The dark side.
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He would say,
"You have to call me Daddy."
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I wasn't free to walk around.
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If I wanted to use the restroom,
I'd have to ask him.
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If I was hungry,
I have to ask him.
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He came up once
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and grabbed me by my arm
in the room
242
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and dragged me down the hallway
243
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because I talked back to him.
244
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I was kicking and screaming
and crying.
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He told me to perform
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sexual acts while his friends
were in the back seat
247
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and, like, humiliated me
in front of everyone.
248
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It was like he owned me.
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R. Kelly was definitely part
of this milieu
250
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that also involved the Jacksons.
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Both Michael and Janet,
who were,
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connecting R & B
to the mainstream.
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Robert had actually did
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a remake on Janet,
and when-when it did so well,
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that Mike liked it,
256
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and Mike wanted
to work with Robert.
257
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Robert was like, he was
really thrilled, you know,
258
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to get a chance to produce
Michael Jackson.
259
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That was like
a turn of his career.
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He let me hear--
he said, "Who's this?"
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I listened to the song, I said,
262
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"That's easy.
That's Michael Jackson."
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"Come on, Bruce, man.
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You don't even know
your brother's own voice?"
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I said, "That's you?"
266
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He sang the song himself, right,
and let Mike hear them.
267
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And when Michael Jackson
heard it, Michael said,
268
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"my God, he sounds just like me."
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He just said
that he had something, like,
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really special
that he had been working on.
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At this time, I'm a senior
in high school, and...
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I found out that I was pregnant.
273
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And a few days later,
I had a miscarriage.
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When he wrote it,
he was thinking of me.
275
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So then he played it
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and he called the song
"You Are Not Alone."
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R. writes him a really...
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great song about someone, um,
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dealing with the idea
of isolation,
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which is a big theme
in Michael's music.
281
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In hindsight, all of his songs,
282
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they're real stories.
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They're about different people
during those times
284
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in different situations
that were occurring with him.
285
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So, "Your Body's Callin',"
things like that.
286
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"Sex Me."
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Those are real stories.
288
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"Age Ain't Nothing but
a Number." He meant that.
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A perpetrator might
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isolate an individual.
291
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It's easier
for a perpetrator to abuse
292
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when that individual
doesn't have resources.
293
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Me and my brothers,
294
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we all have our ways
with our girls.
295
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We're very jealous guys.
296
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We don't want our girls doing
certain things. You...
297
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Y-You're not gonna see our girls
298
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talking too much to people,
and all this.
299
00:14:50,367 --> 00:14:52,630
That's-that's just
the way we are.
300
00:14:52,674 --> 00:14:55,459
Robert has a lot
of rules for people,
301
00:14:55,503 --> 00:14:56,808
but he doesn't
have many for himself.
302
00:14:56,852 --> 00:15:00,247
Um, I think he wants
to be perceived
303
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as the ultimate alpha male,
304
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when he's really the runt
of the litter.
305
00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:08,951
There was a rule,
being on tour with him.
306
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"The dancers do not communicate
with my background singers,
307
00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,610
my band don't communicate
with my dancers."
308
00:15:15,653 --> 00:15:18,874
He-he really ran it
like a dictatorship.
309
00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,876
Like, when we would
walk in as dancers,
310
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we walked in
in a single-file line.
311
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We did not get to communicate
312
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with the other artists
in the venue.
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We had to stay
in our dressing rooms
314
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until it was time for you
to hit the stage.
315
00:15:31,887 --> 00:15:35,238
My parents were trying to get
a hold of me and they couldn't.
316
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I did not know that my cell
phone number was being changed.
317
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And I believe
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he strategically did it so that
he could have all this going on,
319
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and if I keep you locked away
and keep you isolated,
320
00:15:48,730 --> 00:15:50,427
you don't get
to see this other side.
321
00:15:52,212 --> 00:15:54,257
We used to talk with Andrea
322
00:15:54,301 --> 00:15:57,565
and the other dancers
and stuff and have fun.
323
00:15:57,608 --> 00:16:00,829
But after they got married,
no more of that.
324
00:16:00,872 --> 00:16:03,179
Just-- you know,
she-- it was like,
325
00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:05,442
she wouldn't even speak to us.
326
00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:08,271
And it was hard to know
if we could speak to her.
327
00:16:13,102 --> 00:16:16,410
Robert chartered a plane
with a banner
328
00:16:16,453 --> 00:16:21,589
that said,
"Andrea, will you marry me?"
329
00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:27,290
And then the dude dropped down
in a parachute with a ring.
330
00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:31,033
And she said yeah.
331
00:16:31,077 --> 00:16:33,731
So it was a secret ceremony.
332
00:16:33,775 --> 00:16:36,169
He was really sneaky.
333
00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:38,040
And I would have loved
for his brothers
334
00:16:38,084 --> 00:16:40,216
to be there with him.
335
00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:42,914
For memories, if nothing else.
336
00:16:42,958 --> 00:16:44,742
Fame is one thing.
337
00:16:44,786 --> 00:16:49,008
You know,
but when you start to lose
338
00:16:49,051 --> 00:16:54,317
certain life's precious moments
because of fame,
339
00:16:54,361 --> 00:16:56,015
I think I'd do without it.
340
00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:59,235
I felt bad.
341
00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:00,932
I could see that she wanted
342
00:17:00,976 --> 00:17:04,501
her people there, you know?
343
00:17:04,545 --> 00:17:08,505
She wanted her mom there,
she wanted her dad there.
344
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:11,291
But that's Robert, though.
345
00:17:12,509 --> 00:17:14,294
My wedding
346
00:17:14,337 --> 00:17:15,860
was a surprise wedding.
347
00:17:15,904 --> 00:17:17,862
I did not know
I was getting married.
348
00:17:17,906 --> 00:17:20,865
We went to Colorado,
and I remember
349
00:17:20,909 --> 00:17:23,607
coming into the hotel room,
and there was violinists.
350
00:17:23,651 --> 00:17:25,653
There's a cello player.
351
00:17:25,696 --> 00:17:27,524
He had the cake, he had
the food, he had everything,
352
00:17:27,568 --> 00:17:30,745
like he went over the top.
353
00:17:30,788 --> 00:17:33,704
Like, Robert, what if I wanted
to do it in a church?
354
00:17:33,748 --> 00:17:35,576
What if I wanted to wear
a wedding dress?
355
00:17:35,619 --> 00:17:38,013
I don't think
he even understands
356
00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:40,885
that ye now crossed
that line from being generous
357
00:17:40,929 --> 00:17:42,365
to being controlling.
358
00:17:46,239 --> 00:17:48,893
Tell me
about what happened in the end.
359
00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:50,765
What was the final straw?
360
00:17:50,808 --> 00:17:53,985
I caught mononucleosis from him.
361
00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:56,379
And my mono turned
into Guillain-Barré,
362
00:17:56,423 --> 00:18:00,470
where my whole body was
completely paralyzed,
363
00:18:00,514 --> 00:18:02,820
and I almost didn't make it.
364
00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:05,867
He sent my mother
a thousand-dollar check.
365
00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:11,090
I was in ICU for two,
two and a half weeks.
366
00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:14,136
I almost died.
He was nowhere to be found.
367
00:18:16,312 --> 00:18:18,053
My best friend was very angry
368
00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:20,447
and said that I should
stop seeing him.
369
00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,839
"You're just going there,
370
00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:24,494
like, you're like a prostitute,
really."
371
00:18:24,538 --> 00:18:30,239
That hurt...
but it was the truth.
372
00:18:30,283 --> 00:18:33,416
All these things that I didn't
want to be, I became.
373
00:18:35,766 --> 00:18:39,161
He stole my life from me.
374
00:18:39,205 --> 00:18:42,338
Being abused like this...
375
00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,427
And I don't think
he understands,
376
00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:47,213
girls that are young,
how impressionable we are
377
00:18:47,256 --> 00:18:49,171
and how traumatic
these experiences are.
378
00:18:49,215 --> 00:18:51,130
They change you forever.
379
00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:57,048
I decided to walk away.
380
00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:02,532
I didn't want to be
a victim anymore.
381
00:19:10,061 --> 00:19:13,543
You fall in love
with the charmer.
382
00:19:13,587 --> 00:19:17,025
You fall in love
with his brokenness.
383
00:19:17,068 --> 00:19:20,289
And then, slowly, he lets
the other one creep in.
384
00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:24,902
He's a control freak.
385
00:19:24,946 --> 00:19:26,556
Having to call him Daddy.
386
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,905
There should not
be repercussions
387
00:19:27,949 --> 00:19:29,690
if I don't call you Daddy.
388
00:19:29,733 --> 00:19:32,432
"I can control what you do,
who you do it with,
389
00:19:32,475 --> 00:19:34,216
"how long you do it,
where you go,
390
00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:36,871
what you wear, when you eat,
when you sleep."
391
00:19:38,916 --> 00:19:40,527
I honestly believe
392
00:19:40,570 --> 00:19:42,050
that he has a god complex.
393
00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:47,534
There's a concept
we call learned helplessness
394
00:19:47,577 --> 00:19:50,232
that allows people to feel
like "there's nothing I can do
395
00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:52,060
to change this situation."
396
00:19:52,103 --> 00:19:54,497
The more sensationalized idea
of sexual abuse,
397
00:19:54,541 --> 00:19:56,717
if someone's tied to a bed
or hidden in a closet.
398
00:20:00,547 --> 00:20:02,592
The chains and the handcuffs
that we see
399
00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:04,333
are all psychological.
400
00:20:04,377 --> 00:20:06,553
And they're learned
from a perpetrator
401
00:20:06,596 --> 00:20:09,164
who's very skillful
at manipulating an individual
402
00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,992
to do what he or she wants.
403
00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:12,559
For example,
404
00:20:12,602 --> 00:20:15,736
often men will put out
feelers out there.
405
00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:19,261
"Put out a feeler to see
who's willing to allow me
406
00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:20,958
to cross this boundary."
407
00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:24,135
So, for example, one might be,
um, "Call me Daddy."
408
00:20:24,179 --> 00:20:25,963
Something simple like that.
"Call me Daddy."
409
00:20:26,007 --> 00:20:27,835
Okay, that's not
the end of the world.
410
00:20:27,878 --> 00:20:29,619
It's not gonna cause you
to psychologically be stuck,
411
00:20:29,663 --> 00:20:31,534
but that's step one.
412
00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:36,278
Step two, "Wear these types
of clothes around me."
413
00:20:36,322 --> 00:20:38,498
Step three,
414
00:20:38,541 --> 00:20:41,979
"You can't move around the house
unless I say so."
415
00:20:42,023 --> 00:20:44,765
So there's no real
grandiose manipulation,
416
00:20:44,808 --> 00:20:48,421
it comes in a slow,
step-by-step process.
417
00:20:48,464 --> 00:20:50,814
And once you're in,
418
00:20:50,858 --> 00:20:52,251
it's really hard to get out.
419
00:20:55,297 --> 00:20:58,126
When I began
working with R. Kelly,
420
00:20:58,169 --> 00:21:00,433
I did background vocals.
421
00:21:00,476 --> 00:21:02,391
I was hanging out
with Robert at his crib.
422
00:21:02,435 --> 00:21:06,047
You know, the fellas were
around, and I was the only girl.
423
00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:08,615
We were watching
the Chicago Bulls playoff game.
424
00:21:08,658 --> 00:21:11,922
And I kept hearing this knock.
425
00:21:11,966 --> 00:21:15,143
And I'm just like, "Okay."
426
00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:17,319
Robert hasn't moved.
427
00:21:17,363 --> 00:21:19,669
He's focused on the TV.
428
00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:21,715
Knock again.
And I'm just like,
429
00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:23,238
"Do you hear that knock?"
I'm like,
430
00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:25,109
"Somebody's knocking, Robert."
431
00:21:25,153 --> 00:21:28,330
And he leans back
and he say, "Yeah."
432
00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:32,900
And she peeks out the door.
433
00:21:32,943 --> 00:21:34,728
His wife Drea.
434
00:21:36,469 --> 00:21:40,124
And I was like,
"Hell no," to myself.
435
00:21:40,168 --> 00:21:42,736
She wanted to come down
436
00:21:42,779 --> 00:21:44,390
to grab a bite to eat.
She asked him,
437
00:21:44,433 --> 00:21:47,044
"Is it okay if I come down
to grab some food?"
438
00:21:47,088 --> 00:21:50,918
And he was like,
"Yeah, come on."
439
00:21:50,961 --> 00:21:55,966
And I was just like,
"Wow. Never could be me."
440
00:21:58,708 --> 00:22:00,667
Did he lock you up?
441
00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:05,367
'Cause we've heard stories
where you were locked up.
442
00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:07,326
Is that true?
443
00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:08,762
There are certain things
444
00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:11,068
that Robert has done to me that,
445
00:22:11,112 --> 00:22:16,770
that I'm not willing
to talk about today because...
446
00:22:16,813 --> 00:22:20,600
the pain, the disbelief, still.
447
00:22:25,169 --> 00:22:27,215
And the darkness of it.
448
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:33,700
Men or women, boys or girls stay
449
00:22:33,743 --> 00:22:35,310
in victimized situations
450
00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:37,138
due to something we call
the "cycle of abuse."
451
00:22:37,181 --> 00:22:39,009
The-the first cycle of abuse
is called
452
00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:41,751
the "honeymoon phase,"
where everything's great,
453
00:22:41,795 --> 00:22:43,405
everything's crimson and clover.
454
00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:45,451
I give you everything you need.
I love you.
455
00:22:45,494 --> 00:22:47,322
I give you the sexual attention,
the emotional attention,
456
00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:48,845
the financial attention.
457
00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:51,413
And then you start walking
on eggshells.
458
00:22:51,457 --> 00:22:54,590
Little things, like, if you
would do something wrong,
459
00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:57,376
instead of saying,
"Hey, do it this way..."
460
00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:59,378
"Are you that stupid?"
And you're like,
461
00:22:59,421 --> 00:23:00,944
"Why do I have to be stupid?
462
00:23:00,988 --> 00:23:01,945
"Just because
I don't know how to do it,
463
00:23:01,989 --> 00:23:03,382
"it doesn't mean I'm stupid,
464
00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:04,948
"it just means that I haven't
mastered it yet.
465
00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:06,559
I don't know how to do it."
466
00:23:06,602 --> 00:23:09,518
Down to the way he wanted
his pancakes made,
467
00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:11,128
with the crispy edges.
468
00:23:11,172 --> 00:23:14,393
If they weren't crisp enough,...
469
00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:16,003
"You made it wrong."
470
00:23:16,046 --> 00:23:18,962
It would be the smallest things
that you think
471
00:23:19,006 --> 00:23:22,575
would not make the average
person feel inadequate.
472
00:23:22,618 --> 00:23:24,968
But you hear it enough,
and you start thinking,
473
00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:27,667
"Okay, so, I'm not smart enough.
I don't make the pancakes right.
474
00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:29,103
The milk was too cold."
475
00:23:29,146 --> 00:23:31,148
Then one time I make the milk
too cold.
476
00:23:31,192 --> 00:23:32,672
"It shouldn't have
been this cold..."
477
00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:34,108
So you're just always
on eggshells.
478
00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:41,594
After the marriage, though,
479
00:23:41,637 --> 00:23:43,291
she got real quiet.
480
00:23:43,334 --> 00:23:44,945
She was really quiet.
481
00:23:44,988 --> 00:23:49,776
And I think that was how
Robert wanted it, you know.
482
00:23:51,778 --> 00:23:53,693
Girls and women
are relational in nature,
483
00:23:53,736 --> 00:23:55,956
which means that they develop
and they thrive
484
00:23:55,999 --> 00:23:58,088
in connection with other people.
485
00:23:58,132 --> 00:24:00,961
If an individual wants to come
in and be that most important
486
00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:03,746
relationship in her life,
487
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:06,445
then slowly, over time,
he can use that position
488
00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:08,795
to guide her behavior.
489
00:24:08,838 --> 00:24:10,449
So you'll start not doing things
490
00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:12,929
because
"I don't want to irritate him.
491
00:24:12,973 --> 00:24:14,627
This is a really
important relationship."
492
00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:18,326
It's a slow process
of isolation,
493
00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:22,678
of tailoring this person
to what you want her to be
494
00:24:22,722 --> 00:24:26,203
and how you want her to act.
495
00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:28,510
You don't even believe
in your own sense of judgment
496
00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:30,251
after a while.
497
00:24:30,294 --> 00:24:32,166
And you're trying to figure out:
498
00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:35,082
how do I get him back
to the good space?
499
00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:36,953
Okay, I'll take
responsibility for--
500
00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,782
I'll just say it's my fault.
I'll say yes to whatever it is.
501
00:24:39,826 --> 00:24:42,263
I'll apologize, 'cause if I can
just get him back
502
00:24:42,306 --> 00:24:45,440
to the good guy, the one
that I fell in love with,
503
00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:48,008
then I'm in a good space.
504
00:24:48,051 --> 00:24:52,491
How do I stop it?
How do I get you back?
505
00:24:52,534 --> 00:24:56,582
How do I get you back
to the guy...
506
00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:59,062
that asked me to help him
to read?
507
00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:03,589
When I began working
with Robert,
508
00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:08,898
I thought he was a genius.
509
00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:11,901
I definitely considered him
as a mentor.
510
00:25:11,945 --> 00:25:15,514
He also became family to me.
511
00:25:15,557 --> 00:25:19,343
But he's-he's a controlling
person. Yeah.
512
00:25:19,387 --> 00:25:22,042
Sparkle has been around
from the beginning.
513
00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:23,696
From day one.
514
00:25:23,739 --> 00:25:26,612
She's his original
background vocalist.
515
00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:27,961
I don't know if you've ever
heard her sing,
516
00:25:28,004 --> 00:25:31,138
but she's got an amazing voice.
517
00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:32,705
The octave range is, like, five.
518
00:25:32,748 --> 00:25:37,057
And she would actually be
in the studio for hours.
519
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,974
Robert and I spent a great
amount of time together.
520
00:25:41,017 --> 00:25:45,065
The process of working
on my debut album was crazy.
521
00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:56,685
The concept for "Be Careful"
came from controlling Robert.
522
00:25:56,729 --> 00:25:58,687
He thought of the concept
for the song,
523
00:25:58,731 --> 00:26:01,385
and he wanted it to now be a
duet instead of just me singing.
524
00:26:08,479 --> 00:26:10,394
He... thought of everything.
525
00:26:10,438 --> 00:26:12,222
He thought of the video.
526
00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,181
He thought of the clothing.
527
00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:15,617
He's a visionary,
528
00:26:15,661 --> 00:26:19,447
so he thinks of the steps.
529
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:23,146
Where do we go now?
And how do you want me to walk?
530
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:24,974
And where do I want to see you
and me driving down the street?
531
00:26:25,018 --> 00:26:27,368
And how do I flip my hair?
532
00:26:27,411 --> 00:26:28,543
He has all that down.
533
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,110
So, yeah, that's him.
534
00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:35,681
Robert didn't allow pretty
much anyone to speak to me.
535
00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:37,465
I'm just walking around,
"Hey, everybody, hey!"
536
00:26:37,508 --> 00:26:39,423
And then I'm just like,
537
00:26:39,467 --> 00:26:43,079
"What's going on? Why aren't
these people speaking back?"
538
00:26:43,123 --> 00:26:46,387
Come to find out,
they couldn't speak to me.
539
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:49,869
He wouldn't let them.
540
00:26:49,912 --> 00:26:53,350
That's not me 'cause I'm gonna
speak to everybody and anybody
541
00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,135
and whoever I want to speak to.
542
00:26:55,178 --> 00:26:57,746
So, when I learned that,
543
00:26:57,790 --> 00:27:00,444
I would go out of my way
to speak to people
544
00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:03,404
just to tick him off,
because I'm just like,
545
00:27:03,447 --> 00:27:05,406
"Look, you can't tell me
what I can
546
00:27:05,449 --> 00:27:07,408
"and cannot do.
I'm not that girl.
547
00:27:07,451 --> 00:27:09,453
I'm not that chick.
You can't stifle me."
548
00:27:09,497 --> 00:27:12,674
But I didn't know that...
549
00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:14,633
a bomb was coming.
550
00:27:20,943 --> 00:27:22,423
Robert, he loves basketball.
551
00:27:22,466 --> 00:27:25,513
I-I think he think
he's, Michael Jordan.
552
00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:28,124
We used to go to Michael's
house every weekend.
553
00:27:28,168 --> 00:27:30,300
Play basketball against him
and his sons.
554
00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:32,172
He was thrilled about
555
00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:33,521
Space Jamproject.
556
00:27:33,564 --> 00:27:35,741
They actually sent
Robert footage
557
00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:40,528
of Mike doing basketball moves
slow-- in slow motion.
558
00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:42,443
He used to sit up and watch
this footage and say,
559
00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:45,751
"Wow. Look at him.
He just soars."
560
00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,364
"He just flies."
561
00:27:50,407 --> 00:27:52,235
He just came out with it.
562
00:27:55,108 --> 00:27:56,500
And just started singing it.
563
00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:59,895
"Hey, that's it,
that's it, that's it!"
564
00:28:07,468 --> 00:28:11,428
"I Believe I Can Fly"
is a powerful song,
565
00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:13,735
and a lot of people have sung it
at talent shows,
566
00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:16,738
it's one of those songs
that inspired a lot of people.
567
00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:19,349
It was everywhere.
Kindergarten graduations...
568
00:28:22,526 --> 00:28:24,833
High school graduations.
569
00:28:33,363 --> 00:28:35,104
It was just massive.
570
00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:38,804
It was a huge, huge song.
571
00:28:38,847 --> 00:28:42,721
It was a moment of redemption
in some people's eyes and ears.
572
00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:44,548
People were amazed
573
00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:47,769
that this guy who was very
pornographic in other contexts
574
00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:50,772
could walk in
and do something spiritual.
575
00:28:50,816 --> 00:28:51,817
Religious.
576
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:53,122
It was genius.
577
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,646
I wonder, considering that
578
00:28:55,690 --> 00:28:58,040
the most famous thing
that R. Kelly has ever done
579
00:28:58,084 --> 00:29:00,086
was "I Believe I Can Fly,"
580
00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:03,959
did that, on some level, make
people feel comfortable with him
581
00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:06,135
as somebody who was
an entertainer for children?
582
00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:08,703
Or somebody who was a good gu?
583
00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,053
All these pop stars
pick their titles, right?
584
00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:13,316
"I'm the Pied Piper of R & B."
585
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,929
The Pied Piper was a, you know,
a children's character
586
00:29:16,972 --> 00:29:20,193
who played a flute, I believe,
and children would follow him
587
00:29:20,236 --> 00:29:23,283
down the road to
whatever he was leading them.
588
00:29:23,326 --> 00:29:26,503
So, he literally pitched
a metaphor
589
00:29:26,547 --> 00:29:28,767
for seducing
young children with music.
590
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,899
If you grew up in Chicago,
591
00:29:30,943 --> 00:29:32,683
y-you've heard about R. Kelly.
592
00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:35,774
My son used to like Space Jam,
so I had to watch
593
00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:39,081
"I Believe I Can Fly,"
the opening to Space Jam,
594
00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:41,954
about a hundred times
when my son was two years old.
595
00:29:41,997 --> 00:29:46,915
Everything he put out at
this point now was just a hit.
596
00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,178
And not just
on the R & B charts.
597
00:29:49,222 --> 00:29:53,008
Like, he was now
a bona fide pop artist.
598
00:29:53,052 --> 00:29:56,272
He won three Grammys that year.
599
00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:58,797
And, boy, did his head
blow up big at that point.
600
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,756
He became
untouchable in his mind.
601
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,411
R. Kelly was one of those people
hiding in plain sight.
602
00:30:04,454 --> 00:30:08,632
And sometimes we, as a society,
are so in denial
603
00:30:08,676 --> 00:30:11,200
of people that we admire,
that we don't want to see it.
604
00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,602
My name is Lisa Van Allen.
605
00:30:21,645 --> 00:30:23,865
I was 17 years old
when I met Rob.
606
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:25,606
A friend of mine--
607
00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:27,869
his girlfriend was going
to a video shoot.
608
00:30:27,913 --> 00:30:29,958
She was an aspiring singer,
609
00:30:30,002 --> 00:30:32,221
and he didn't want her
to go by herself,
610
00:30:32,265 --> 00:30:34,615
so he asked me if I could go
with her to the video shoot.
611
00:30:34,658 --> 00:30:38,227
It was for "Home Alone"
with him and Keith Murray.
612
00:30:38,271 --> 00:30:41,622
Everyone was dancing,
it was pretty upbeat.
613
00:30:41,665 --> 00:30:45,887
At some point, I guess he saw
me, and he had his cousin
614
00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:49,151
come over to me and say,
"Rob wants to talk to you."
615
00:30:49,195 --> 00:30:51,806
You know,
I was kind of surprised
616
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,286
when I actually ended up
meeting him
617
00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:54,983
'cause I-I just thought
I'd be the last one
618
00:30:55,027 --> 00:30:57,203
he would try to talk to
because I was probably
619
00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:59,945
the youngest one there.
620
00:30:59,988 --> 00:31:02,338
Rob was sitting near the pool,
621
00:31:02,382 --> 00:31:04,601
and he was being really,
really nice, and
622
00:31:04,645 --> 00:31:07,474
he asked me how old I was,
and I told him I was 17.
623
00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:11,217
And he asked me, "Will your
mother let you come to Chicago?"
624
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:17,136
I knew he was at least 31,
so I thought,
625
00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:20,095
when I said 17, that he'd be
like-- you know, like,
626
00:31:20,139 --> 00:31:22,663
that was gonna be
the deal breaker.
627
00:31:22,706 --> 00:31:25,579
But, um, it wasn't.
628
00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:27,711
Young girls are impressionable.
629
00:31:27,755 --> 00:31:29,931
Like, he's R. Kelly.
630
00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:32,194
"Now, look who I get.
631
00:31:32,238 --> 00:31:35,328
Look who is showing me
interest."
632
00:31:35,371 --> 00:31:38,679
He's charismatic, funny.
633
00:31:38,722 --> 00:31:41,638
And he's an all-around nice guy.
634
00:31:41,682 --> 00:31:46,208
But Robert
is a mass manipulator.
635
00:31:46,252 --> 00:31:48,384
Like, everybody knows it now.
636
00:31:48,428 --> 00:31:50,386
They didn't know it back then.
637
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:54,173
I had heard
about Rob's reputation,
638
00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:57,306
about him dating Aaliyah,
639
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:59,265
but I didn't assume
that he liked younger girls.
640
00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:01,876
I just thought, at that moment,
641
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,792
I just thought he liked me.
642
00:32:04,835 --> 00:32:09,449
He actually had me go
on the bus, his tour bus.
643
00:32:09,492 --> 00:32:13,583
He wanted me to take off the
little dressy clothes I had on.
644
00:32:13,627 --> 00:32:17,109
It went into him suggesting
645
00:32:17,152 --> 00:32:21,765
sexual acts like oral and sex.
646
00:32:24,072 --> 00:32:27,162
I felt like I shouldn't have
done that so fast,
647
00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:30,339
but at the same time,
I didn't want to tell him no,
648
00:32:30,383 --> 00:32:32,080
I guess, because I was young.
649
00:32:32,124 --> 00:32:34,604
Pretty much, and I
just didn't want to tell him no.
650
00:32:34,648 --> 00:32:37,216
I thought he might be upset
or, you know, not like me
651
00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:39,783
'cause I-I chose not to do it.
652
00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:43,700
I pretty much stayed on
the bus in his T-shirt,
653
00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:46,747
and in between scenes, he would
come back and forth on the bus
654
00:32:46,790 --> 00:32:50,011
until he finished shooting.
655
00:32:50,055 --> 00:32:52,274
We exchanged phone numbers,
and he told me
656
00:32:52,318 --> 00:32:54,581
to go straight to the car
and go straight home.
657
00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:01,414
When I first introduced my niece
658
00:33:01,457 --> 00:33:04,852
to Robert, it was
at 12 years old.
659
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:09,291
I asked my sister
and my brother-in-law
660
00:33:09,335 --> 00:33:13,208
to bring her down
to the studio to meet him.
661
00:33:13,252 --> 00:33:15,819
She was a rapper.
662
00:33:15,863 --> 00:33:18,605
She was a-a-a
663
00:33:18,648 --> 00:33:20,433
dope rapper, too, like,
664
00:33:20,476 --> 00:33:22,000
she was Bow Wow status
665
00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:23,436
when Bow Wow was
the **** back then.
666
00:33:23,479 --> 00:33:26,134
She was that status.
667
00:33:26,178 --> 00:33:27,831
I wanted
668
00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:32,706
him to do what he was doing
for me for her
669
00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:35,839
because, like, I saw that
hunger, I saw that drive.
670
00:33:35,883 --> 00:33:38,581
I saw that...
671
00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:42,759
wanting to be bigger than life,
if you will,
672
00:33:42,803 --> 00:33:44,370
'cause she was that,
she was totally that.
673
00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:45,501
And he saw it, too.
674
00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:50,506
Initially, my niece
675
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:52,160
would come down
to the studio with me
676
00:33:52,204 --> 00:33:54,032
'cause she wanted to see
the ins and outs
677
00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:57,644
of-of how I was working and just
be around the vibe of it all.
678
00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:04,259
She would sit on the couch.
679
00:34:04,303 --> 00:34:06,435
I would go in the booth
and do my thing
680
00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:07,958
and I wouldn't take
my eyes off her.
681
00:34:15,749 --> 00:34:17,925
There were a couple times
that I came into the studio
682
00:34:17,968 --> 00:34:20,232
while I was still,
um, under Rockland,
683
00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:24,758
that my niece would be
in the studio room.
684
00:34:24,801 --> 00:34:28,066
And I would walk in like,
"What you doing here?"
685
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,852
"Who's here with you?"
686
00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:34,202
And she's like,
"I got dropped off.
687
00:34:34,246 --> 00:34:35,943
"Robert's having
a Christmas party
688
00:34:35,986 --> 00:34:38,424
"or some type of party and
there's gonna be a lot of kids,
689
00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:40,600
"so we're all gonna stay,
690
00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:43,733
you know, at his house and,
you know, have games and..."
691
00:34:43,777 --> 00:34:45,170
So then I was just like, "Okay."
692
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:52,873
I was pissed when I saw her
693
00:34:52,916 --> 00:34:54,440
in the studio by herself.
694
00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:57,747
My parents were strict.
695
00:34:57,791 --> 00:35:02,143
We couldn't stay over
or be around nobody's house.
696
00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:05,494
We couldn't spend the night at
nobody's house if they had boys.
697
00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:11,500
You're just with Robert
being supervised? Okay.
698
00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:13,720
I thought I left my niece
in good hands.
699
00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:17,376
But think of a grown man
700
00:35:17,419 --> 00:35:19,639
hanging out with young girls.
701
00:35:19,682 --> 00:35:21,771
It just felt like...
702
00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:23,338
I just shouldn't have
introduced them.
703
00:35:23,382 --> 00:35:25,558
Something ain't right.
704
00:35:32,565 --> 00:35:35,481
I actually waited about a month
before I called him.
705
00:35:35,524 --> 00:35:38,484
He was pretty blunt.
"When can you get to Chicago?"
706
00:35:38,527 --> 00:35:42,183
I told my mother the truth
707
00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:46,492
about where I wanted to go
and who I was going to see.
708
00:35:46,535 --> 00:35:51,453
I think she knew that she really
couldn't keep me from going
709
00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:53,803
because I already had made
my mind up that I was going.
710
00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:00,506
It just went
from the first visit,
711
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:02,464
me going back home,
712
00:36:02,508 --> 00:36:04,031
the second visit,
713
00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:06,599
to pretty much where
I just didn't end up leaving.
714
00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:07,948
I just would stay.
715
00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:17,566
In the beginning, sex happened
at the studio a lot.
716
00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,264
In the studio he had bedrooms,
717
00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:22,049
so you didn't really
have to go anywhere.
718
00:36:24,747 --> 00:36:28,490
It was pretty exciting
for a young girl.
719
00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:33,539
Chicago Trax was
a really, really big place.
720
00:36:33,582 --> 00:36:38,892
There's a bedroom in the middle
of Studio A, the big room,
721
00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:41,024
where Rob had built
a big queen-sized bed,
722
00:36:41,068 --> 00:36:44,463
and, you know, I'm like, "Wow"
723
00:36:44,506 --> 00:36:47,248
I thought that was
quite strange.
724
00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,250
I felt special.
725
00:36:49,294 --> 00:36:51,383
I actually thought
that I was his girlfriend.
726
00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:54,560
You know, I was li-living
up there at that point.
727
00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:56,257
We were together
all the time, you know.
728
00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:58,651
I had no reason to question
that we weren't.
729
00:37:02,655 --> 00:37:05,397
Life in the studio,
730
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,356
it was kind of boring
for the most part.
731
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,142
You really couldn't have much
interaction other than...
732
00:37:12,186 --> 00:37:13,405
Well, I couldn't have
much interaction
733
00:37:13,448 --> 00:37:15,276
with anyone other than Robert.
734
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,105
At that time I didn't know
what a runner was,
735
00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:21,326
but, um, later on, I realized
it was just, you know,
736
00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:24,372
the people that work at the
studio, and they pretty much,
737
00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:26,287
pretty much, like, run errands.
738
00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:30,900
My mom would, um,
call the studio.
739
00:37:30,944 --> 00:37:32,946
The runners would actually let
740
00:37:32,989 --> 00:37:34,643
Robert know that
I had a phone call,
741
00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:37,559
and then he would
let them know to,
742
00:37:37,603 --> 00:37:39,648
like, transfer the call to me.
743
00:37:39,692 --> 00:37:41,302
I do know that there were times
744
00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:42,999
where,
when she would get through,
745
00:37:43,043 --> 00:37:44,914
and she'd be upset and saying
she couldn't contact me
746
00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,047
and things like that.
747
00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:49,789
So it very well could've been
times where she was calling
748
00:37:49,832 --> 00:37:53,227
and they weren't allowed
to put me through.
749
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:55,229
One time,
750
00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:57,492
one of his friends
came to the studio
751
00:37:57,536 --> 00:37:59,929
and he's speaking to everyone,
752
00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:02,976
and just a normal reaction,
you speak back.
753
00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:04,847
Um, Rob would get upset
754
00:38:04,891 --> 00:38:06,849
and say, "You're not supposed
to speak to them.
755
00:38:06,893 --> 00:38:09,112
"You don't speak to anybody.
You just look straight forward.
756
00:38:09,156 --> 00:38:11,114
If they speak to you,
you don't say anything."
757
00:38:13,595 --> 00:38:15,467
Pretty early on,
758
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:18,426
he kind of introduced you
to everything that he was into.
759
00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:24,171
It was instructed to call him
Daddy during sex,
760
00:38:24,214 --> 00:38:27,435
but it went from that to pretty
much all time, he'd be Daddy.
761
00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:32,353
The first time Robert
had me do a sexual act
762
00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:35,356
with him and another female,
he actually told me
763
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,053
it was going to be
his first time
764
00:38:37,097 --> 00:38:38,490
and he wanted to do it with me.
765
00:38:40,796 --> 00:38:43,538
He would say things like, um,
766
00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:46,367
"Well, you know, if you love me,
you won't try to change me."
767
00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:48,891
You know, "If you love me,
you'll accept me how I am."
768
00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:51,372
You know, "If you love me,
you'll do these things for me."
769
00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:53,679
So those would be the little
pep talks he would give me.
770
00:38:53,722 --> 00:38:56,029
Robert would film
771
00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:59,293
our sex acts sometimes.
772
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,427
He would never ask me if, um,
it was okay to be filmed,
773
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:04,298
but he never hid the camera
774
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:05,821
or anything like that.
775
00:39:05,865 --> 00:39:09,434
Once we did the threesome,
it became more frequent.
776
00:39:09,477 --> 00:39:12,654
Then he started introducing me
to other young women.
777
00:39:17,442 --> 00:39:19,574
The time that sticks out
the most in my head.
778
00:39:19,618 --> 00:39:21,228
We had went to
779
00:39:21,271 --> 00:39:24,057
an awards show,
and I had a great day.
780
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:26,407
He had, had me buy
this pretty gown.
781
00:39:26,451 --> 00:39:30,324
It was just me and him.
It made me feel special.
782
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,543
When we got back to the house...
783
00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:36,112
...this young girl
was there, and, um,
784
00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:38,419
he called her down.
785
00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:41,509
He told me that she was 16
and she was a neighbor.
786
00:39:41,553 --> 00:39:43,946
The way he had put it
was kind of like,
787
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:45,600
he was trying
something different.
788
00:39:45,644 --> 00:39:47,994
You know, like, new, you know,
with including her.
789
00:39:48,037 --> 00:39:51,432
We all went into the, gym,
790
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:53,913
and he had the Space Jamstuff
all on the wall.
791
00:39:53,956 --> 00:39:57,438
And he pulled a-a futon mattress
out of one of the rooms.
792
00:39:57,482 --> 00:39:58,787
And he brought it out there
793
00:39:58,831 --> 00:40:00,528
and laid it out.
794
00:40:03,052 --> 00:40:05,185
He pulled out his camera
and his tripod,
795
00:40:05,228 --> 00:40:06,795
and, I started crying
796
00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:08,536
when we started, to have sex.
797
00:40:14,629 --> 00:40:16,457
I didn't want to do it,
798
00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:17,937
and, he got upset.
799
00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,374
And he was like, um,
"What am I gonna do with this?"
800
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,594
He's like, "I can't watch this
with you on here crying."
801
00:40:22,637 --> 00:40:24,291
He didn't care
that I was crying;
802
00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:27,512
he was upset because he couldn't
watch it because I was crying.
803
00:40:27,555 --> 00:40:30,645
He's, coaching us
through the whole thing.
804
00:40:30,689 --> 00:40:33,213
He's telling me,
"Lee-lee, lay down."
805
00:40:33,256 --> 00:40:37,260
He's having us perform oral
on each other.
806
00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:41,613
He starts to have,
intercourse with both of us.
807
00:40:41,656 --> 00:40:44,964
She seemed to be, like,
know how things went
808
00:40:45,007 --> 00:40:47,053
without him really telling her
much of anything.
809
00:40:47,096 --> 00:40:49,838
He was more instructing me,
you know.
810
00:40:49,882 --> 00:40:51,884
And, um, I kind of felt like
811
00:40:51,927 --> 00:40:53,668
they've been there before,
doing this.
812
00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:57,106
And once, um, everything's done,
813
00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:01,067
she gets up
and goes into the bathroom
814
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:04,723
and, she stays there
until we're gone.
815
00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:08,074
But that wasn't the only place
816
00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:10,946
that we had sex
with the young girl.
817
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:12,644
We did also in
one of his trailers
818
00:41:12,687 --> 00:41:14,428
for one of his video shoots.
819
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:17,910
The other time was
in the Colorado room,
820
00:41:17,953 --> 00:41:21,827
which is the wood room
in the basement.
821
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:24,177
He did tape us there as well.
822
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,798
It took a while for me
823
00:41:36,842 --> 00:41:38,234
to get to that point
where I really realized,
824
00:41:38,278 --> 00:41:41,150
it wasn't just me that was young
that he liked.
825
00:41:41,194 --> 00:41:44,545
It wasn't a mistake
with Aaliyah.
826
00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:45,894
It took a while for me
827
00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:48,593
to just really think to myself
and figure out,
828
00:41:48,636 --> 00:41:51,421
"You know what? This man
really has a problem."
829
00:41:51,465 --> 00:41:54,773
Like, it's bigger than me
and Aaliyah. It's a problem.
830
00:41:54,816 --> 00:41:57,253
There are two ways
that an artist
831
00:41:57,297 --> 00:41:59,386
can hide in plain sight.
832
00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:01,475
One is to veil
833
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,218
your bad behavior
834
00:42:05,261 --> 00:42:08,003
in good works, good music.
835
00:42:08,047 --> 00:42:12,138
Music that is uplifting
and transcendent.
836
00:42:12,181 --> 00:42:14,444
These are the artists who,
when we hear that they,
837
00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:16,011
say, were involved in
838
00:42:16,055 --> 00:42:18,100
domestic violence, for example,
839
00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:20,494
or, predatory behavior,
840
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:22,148
we're horrified,
we can't believe it.
841
00:42:22,191 --> 00:42:24,890
R. Kelly did a little of that
842
00:42:24,933 --> 00:42:26,761
with, his
inspirational songs and his
843
00:42:26,805 --> 00:42:29,764
kind of gospel side.
844
00:42:29,808 --> 00:42:32,985
The other way to hide
in plain sight
845
00:42:33,028 --> 00:42:36,641
is to create outrageous art.
846
00:42:36,684 --> 00:42:40,949
Art in which you are embodying
the very stereotype,
847
00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:42,864
that your private life
848
00:42:42,908 --> 00:42:45,867
seems to fulfill.
849
00:42:45,911 --> 00:42:48,478
R. Kelly did this
850
00:42:48,522 --> 00:42:51,917
with extremely obscene songs
851
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,789
about explicit sex acts
852
00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:58,880
that also used humor
and outrageous metaphors.
853
00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:01,927
R. Kelly also did this
in his performances,
854
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:04,364
which were increasingly
pornographic.
855
00:43:07,497 --> 00:43:12,154
So R. Kelly created
and occupied
856
00:43:12,198 --> 00:43:13,939
a position of outrageousness
857
00:43:13,982 --> 00:43:18,204
that kind of masked everything
858
00:43:18,247 --> 00:43:19,988
that was happening
behind the scenes.
859
00:43:20,032 --> 00:43:22,382
We'd be in the studio,
860
00:43:22,425 --> 00:43:24,558
and he'd have her parents
in the studio
861
00:43:24,602 --> 00:43:27,213
and he would actually, um,
pretend as if
862
00:43:27,256 --> 00:43:29,737
he cared that she was young.
863
00:43:29,781 --> 00:43:32,653
It surprised me
because I knew that he was
864
00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:35,047
having sex with her,
but he would put up this front
865
00:43:35,090 --> 00:43:36,744
for her parents.
866
00:43:36,788 --> 00:43:39,399
He knows that he's sleeping
with this young girl.
867
00:43:39,442 --> 00:43:41,314
Him and I both were actually
868
00:43:41,357 --> 00:43:43,359
having sex with her.
869
00:43:43,403 --> 00:43:46,667
But I didn't know at the time
870
00:43:46,711 --> 00:43:48,582
that she was actually 14.
871
00:43:50,802 --> 00:43:52,847
I mean, I didn't know
that side of him.
872
00:43:52,891 --> 00:43:54,240
You know, lying
873
00:43:54,283 --> 00:43:57,286
to her parents
to get them to trust,
874
00:43:57,330 --> 00:43:59,201
him with their child.
875
00:43:59,245 --> 00:44:01,943
Two years later, we were headd
876
00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:04,554
to one of his video shoots,
and he actually had
877
00:44:04,598 --> 00:44:06,382
other females
that he was cool with
878
00:44:06,426 --> 00:44:08,471
or had a sexual
relationship with.
879
00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:11,518
The only time he would want
you to communicate with them
880
00:44:11,561 --> 00:44:14,216
would be during the sexual act.
Other than that,
881
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,131
you don't speak to each other.
882
00:44:16,175 --> 00:44:19,047
You act like
each other don't exist,
883
00:44:19,091 --> 00:44:21,180
but I sparked up a conversation,
884
00:44:21,223 --> 00:44:22,834
even though
I wasn't supposed to.
885
00:44:22,877 --> 00:44:24,966
She had said something
about getting a car.
886
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:27,055
And I asked her--
she said when she turns 16
887
00:44:27,099 --> 00:44:29,318
she's gonna get a car.
And I was-- I asked her,
888
00:44:29,362 --> 00:44:31,712
"Aren't you already 16?
Weren't you already 16?"
889
00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:34,410
And she said, "No, no, I'm 15.
890
00:44:34,454 --> 00:44:36,282
I'm about to be 16."
891
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,722
It rang a bell in my head
at that moment.
892
00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:43,202
It made me feel,
893
00:44:43,245 --> 00:44:45,247
like, sick to my stomach.
894
00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:49,121
It made me feel disgusted
895
00:44:49,164 --> 00:44:50,775
'cause all of the
sexual encounters
896
00:44:50,818 --> 00:44:53,038
were before I found out
she was 14.
897
00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:58,913
It still haunts me, you know?
898
00:44:58,957 --> 00:45:03,439
It shouldn't have happened.
899
00:45:03,483 --> 00:45:07,269
I should have never
introduced her to him.
900
00:45:07,313 --> 00:45:09,141
Like, how dare you?
901
00:45:11,143 --> 00:45:13,841
How dare you?
902
00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:31,511
One day an anonymous video
was dropped off.
903
00:45:31,554 --> 00:45:32,991
Hard-core porn.
904
00:45:33,034 --> 00:45:36,168
This grown man urinating
in the mouth of a child.
905
00:45:36,211 --> 00:45:37,691
A lot of people saw
that pee tape.
906
00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:39,432
It was circulating
in the streets.
907
00:45:39,475 --> 00:45:42,696
To see it visually,
it **** me up.
908
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:44,002
Should've never happened.
909
00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:45,786
That set everything off.
910
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:47,832
I'm pregnant.
911
00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:50,051
I was under so much stress. They
couldn't find his heartbeat.
912
00:45:50,095 --> 00:45:51,444
That's when that day happened.
913
00:45:51,487 --> 00:45:53,141
Mr. Kelly has been indicted.
914
00:45:53,185 --> 00:45:54,839
There's been a warrant
issued for his arrest.
915
00:45:54,882 --> 00:45:56,971
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