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I jumped out of the West but oh my god
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the planes gonna crash this thing came
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right across north to south of
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incidentally I was a private pilot so I
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have some familiarity with there it
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glided over my house and there was I saw
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what I thought to be a kind of a
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boomerang shape oh my god that's a
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wingspan I've never seen anything like
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that they were reported by at least one
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commercial airline pilot
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it was you fungus product it passed
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right in front of us just about right
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above eyes length
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no I don't hear anything what the hell
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is that
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I came out second after Monica and I
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remember looking at it was coming over
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the mountain and was like almost is why
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it is one of the humps in Amy's very low
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it's coming across the sky and as it's
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moving it's blocking and unblocking the
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stars there is actually a shape it was
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more like a boomerang than a like a
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straight V and then the lights were
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spaced pretty evenly it was actually
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five lights that were a V one in front
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two and two on each side and it was
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perfect it was a perfect triangle if you
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can imagine something the size a
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Camelback Mountain floating down
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Scottsdale Road you have some idea of
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the intensity of this thing the object
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we saw if we opened up a newspaper you
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could not block out the object that we
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saw people say Mike know you saw a b-2
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bomber my response was we could land all
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40 of our b-2 bombers on the wing of
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that craft you know is it's it's one of
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the biggest things I've ever seen
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that uh that moved like that I mean it
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was just enormous it happened last night
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and eyewitnesses who saw it say it's
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like nothing they've ever seen before I
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don't know if it was big as an aircraft
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carrier it might have been because I've
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never seen your craft carrier fly it
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barely missed that mountain yeah came
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floating over the mountain so had you
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not looked up you wouldn't know no my
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daughter was 8:30 at night my daughter
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was coming over here and she ran in and
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said mom you have got to see this so we
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are there was such an uproar about what
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people described seeing that we also did
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a story about it back in 1997 the first
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report of a strange flying object came
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at about 8:20 that night from a former
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police officer in hauled in Arizona over
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the next 40 minutes people gave similar
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reports of an object along a 200-mile
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route south to Phoenix and Tucson it was
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a gunmetal black it wasn't shiny it
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wasn't invisible it was more of a dull
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bluish black color and we both just
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stayed there and looked at it for a
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couple minutes and it was completely
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silent when you look down the street on
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a hot day in Phoenix above the streets
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like it's really wavy
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and you see everything kind of distorted
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I asked what it looked like up inside
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the middle of the craft it was just
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gliding and then it stopped and then it
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like the sides retracted a little and
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then it was gone
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so acceleration to deceleration it was
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no noise the whole time and not a sound
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explanations have been tossed about that
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they were flares there were planes
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flying in formation but market robbing
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we check with the FAA today we checked
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with Sky Harbor we checked with Luke Air
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Force Base and there's been no official
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explanation of those strange bright
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flights lectures
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I'm gonna order a you know investigation
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of this through DPS we're gonna make all
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the necessary inquiries and we're gonna
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get to the bottom of we're gonna find
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out if it was a UFO
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I'm patty Kirkpatrick remember those
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mysterious lights in the sky well the
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governor says there are new leads in the
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case
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good evening Arizona Governor is holding
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a news conference on the lights in the
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sky over Phoenix in March let's listen
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in and now I'll ask officer Stein and
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his colleagues to escort the accused
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into the room so that we may all look
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upon the guilty party and don't get him
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too close to me please this just goes to
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show that you guys are entirely too
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serious I think what really irritated me
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was the joke the governor pulled with
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the Martian you know I just didn't have
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time for that kind of stuff
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he was just dismissing everything that
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these people had seen and said just like
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we're all Looney Tunes and I know what I
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saw and that's not what you're telling
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me what I saw I didn't see flares I
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didn't see a 10 or Warthog
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so how about we work together and try to
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figure out what this thing is
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so when you hear someone says they saw
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UFO you what you think they're crazy yes
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I think they're crazy
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what puzzles me is why people laugh at
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the subject of UFOs but when the
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laughter stops everyone secretly wants
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to know are they real see that now
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keep going I don't know if I want to
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know if UFOs are real because then that
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raises a lot of other issues who are
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they
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why are they here are they gonna hurt me
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do they have chocolate when I told my
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father I wanted to make a documentary
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about UFOs he said it was crazy
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in fact my whole family did and 95% of
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the time this stuff is crazy
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but the remaining 5% that is what keeps
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me going this man in the saucer can you
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describe him
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what year was the second year I'm James
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Fox and I've been curious about UFOs for
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a long time it is very curious do that
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evidently the Air Force is curious too
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in pursuit of this obligation and in
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1952 they admitted it we have received
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and analyzed between one and two
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thousand reports there have been a
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certain percentage of this volume of
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reports that have been made by credible
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observers of relatively incredible
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things all blocked up know what was
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under there with the help of
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investigative reporter Lesley came I
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decided to put together some of the best
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witnesses from around the world for this
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film almost 10 years after the
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termination of Project Blue Book in the
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cases and photographs you are about to
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see represent some of the best evidence
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that UFOs are real
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some unknown origin what were they after
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because the name the light that came
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down at our feet
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miss James beams were going down into
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the WUSA we are all in the limo and
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operator of the target verify that
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several said they were looking for
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fissile material here the same question
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over and over if UFOs are real then
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surely someone in the know would be
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talking so what's wrong are we actually
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going on the air at six o'clock
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because
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yes
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good evening a historic occasion will
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take place in Washington on Monday
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former high-level government employees
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military officials and pilots from all
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over the world will come together
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they'll discuss their own UFO sightings
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and encounters and they'll do it at the
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National Press Club in the nation's
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capital space this group has gathered
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together to call on the United States
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government to take an active role in
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investigating cases involving
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unidentified flying objects James Fox ue
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they on Monday - absolutely yes
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- establish the fact that the phenomenon
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is real and it's and it's happening
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worldwide five are we now saying that
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the United States is taking this
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seriously or is this just an event I
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think the United States is taking it
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seriously and they they need to it's
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it's long overdue and you're gonna
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moderate it right I'm gonna moderate it
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I'm five Symington in 1997 during my
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second term as governor of Arizona
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I saw something that defied logic and
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challenged my reality before this event
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I met with the governor at his home to
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find out why he ridiculed the sighting
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we were in the middle of investigating
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it and just couldn't get any answers
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paralleling that activity was this
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almost hysterical environment that was
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building the hysteria the governor told
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me what was actually going on behind the
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scenes and we called Luke Air Force Base
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and we called the FAA and I called
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various touch base with people I called
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my general at the at the National Guard
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nobody had an explanation people who
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said well we just don't know what it is
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Phoenix Councilwoman Frances Barwood
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was one of the only elected
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representatives willing to push for an
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investigation I would have thought that
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they would have wanted to do an
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investigation but apparently they would
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rather ignore it
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I don't know why at bar woods request
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Senator John McCain looked into the
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matter of personal
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we asked the Air Force to look into it
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and this was the first response that
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we've got and we're going to go back and
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ask them to look at it again
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Senator McCain wrote letters to both the
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National Archives and the Air Force both
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claimed not to have jurisdiction over
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such matters I was kind of surprised at
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at that response but there are people
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who said they saw things and whenever
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that happens they deserve at least an
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investigation seems to me
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the air force explanation eventually
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provided to Senator McCain was military
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flares dropped from a-10 warthogs
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between 9:30 and 10:00 p.m.
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oh my god I hit paydirt finally
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according to some analysts these lights
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captured on film were flares well that
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is a totally different configuration
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we've ever seen whatever but this does
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not account for the large boomerang
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shaped object seen by the governor in
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hundreds possibly thousands of others
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across the state beginning several hours
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earlier I mean it clearly had a shape to
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it and in a big shape and it was a
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constant shake and you you can't control
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flares that way there's just no way they
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were flares
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why can't he tell us what's it gonna
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hurt I would like I would like for them
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to come out and say that's top secret
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and we're not going to tell you what it
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was
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the v-formation I was only able to find
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one video taken of the earlier sightings
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light over a period of somewhere but I
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was however given this video taken by an
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army colonel a few years earlier it
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reminds me of what Arizona witnesses
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described seen no sound and it's not
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planes flying in formation
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I don't hear anything no I don't hear
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anything and the hell is that you see
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the stars you see through it right
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there's a Jessie it now and it's that's
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not planes flying in formation behind it
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either it's another another triangle
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what would you say to the people about
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it I'd say I saw an unidentified flying
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object of massive proportions float over
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the City of Phoenix and Scottsdale and I
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don't have that damnedest clue what it
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was I saw it was over my house I saw it
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for five minutes it wasn't something
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that was a flash that I only saw for a
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second could it have been I know when I
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saw and I get very upset and I was
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wondering why they won't find out what
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it was
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[Music]
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[Music]
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govenor Symington i am bill burns from
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the History Channel
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just a quick question when you were
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giving your press conference back in
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Phoenix were there any external
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pressures on you to defuse a situation
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in the way you did or did anyone
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instruct you not to comment on the truth
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of what was happening in Phoenix well
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the only external pressure and it was
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significant was the fact that there was
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just this massive public reaction to the
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lights over Phoenix I mean we've just
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being inundated by the press and people
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coming into my office saying this thing
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is just reaching heights of hysteria and
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concern I'd never seen that before I
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mean I've been in office for quite a
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while and I'd never seen kind of that
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reaction and so three of us sort of sat
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down at the end and decided to to try to
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lighten the mood a little bit well I'd
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like now to set the record straight I
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never meant to ridicule anyone my office
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did make enquiries as to the origin of
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the craft but to this day they remain
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unanswered I still don't know what it
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was as a pilot and a former Air Force
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officer I can definitively say that this
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craft did not resemble any man-made
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object that I'd ever seen
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well I now know that I'm not alone in
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witnessing something extraordinary
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that's the bottom line
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there are many high ranking military
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aviation and government officials many
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of whom are here today and share my
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concerns some of them have truly
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exceptional stories to tell
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hundreds of people saw a majestic
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triangular craft with a span of
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approximately hundred and twenty feet
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powerful beaming spotlights moving very
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slowly without making any significant
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noise but in several cases accelerating
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to very high speeds
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[Music]
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physical traces on the ground from the
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craft were confirmed by the local policy
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the official conclusion of Japan in 1979
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was that about 15 percent of the cases
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remained unidentified after careful
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analysis by our experts who entonces que
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me hacer que hacen Metro de la hito ni
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uno de Metro diametre estaba como es mal
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Tod o una coupla devil or crema sobre
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una vez a Metallica ante a circular no
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tenia motors misshapen event Ana's me
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Allah's o antennas car asya de todos los
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implementer stiphu code un avión ECU
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sistema visible de propulsion
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lamentablemente el tema relacionado el
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oso venus se encuentran we contaminate
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Oh yo noon importante ganti de
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información falsi multi UFO sightings
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turned out to be misidentifications of
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things such as aircraft satellites and
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meteors
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but in around 5% of cases no explanation
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could be found Washington DC is no
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stranger to this story these sausage be
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some kind of a secret weapon of ours no
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if they were air material command to be
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the first to know how about a device
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from a foreign country we know they're
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not what is your opinion colonel
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[Music]
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the US air force's involvement with UFOs
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started back in World War two when
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pilots reported being followed by
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luminous orbs there were nicknamed Foo
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Fighters
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by 1947 flying saucer sightings were
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getting national coverage they pull like
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ironically like a like a saucer what if
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it if you have skipped it across the
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water according to this memo titled
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opinion concerning flying discs by
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general Nathan twining the phenomenon
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reported is something real and not
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visionary or fictitious it just come up
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like that and tipped and just on they
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really wet it didn't have no smoke no
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motor just to win
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[Music]
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it went fast
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[Music]
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I've never seen anything go so fast in
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my life as that thing went yeah
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the sightings over Washington in July
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1952 were just part of one of the
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biggest and most impressive UFO waves in
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all UFO history this incident was
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witnessed by the public military pilots
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in air traffic control pilots went aloft
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they saw luminous glowing object out in
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front of them right where the radar
809
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indicated it to be so you had ground
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radar airborne radar and pilots visual
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sightings look magazine reported that
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radar operators at Washington National
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Airport tracked UFOs it speeds up to
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7,000 miles per hour I am here to
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discuss the so-called flying saucer
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Major General Sanford who was a director
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of information of the air force called a
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press conference which was characterized
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at the time as being the largest press
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conference since World War two
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the airport's interest in this problem
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then due to our feeling of an obligation
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to identify
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and analyze to the best of our ability
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anything in the air that may have the
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possibility of threat or menace to the
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United States there have been a certain
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percentage of this volume of reports
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that have been made by credible
851
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observers of relatively incredible
853
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things this group of observations that
855
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we now are attempting to resolve the
857
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Joint Chiefs of Staff talk to you or
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concern you a Bakke and unknown again I
861
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gonna buy flying out of it oh yes we
863
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discussed it with every conference that
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we had with the military and they never
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had been and never were able to make me
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a concrete report on you have not take
871
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something there
873
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no I am anything on subjective there's
875
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always things like that going on at
877
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flying saucers
879
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they were senior Air Force generals
881
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convinced that we had interplanetary
883
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visitors and they were setting the
885
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policy and they were behind the Life
887
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magazine article of I believe April 1952
889
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which was titled do we have
891
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interplanetary visitors they read the
893
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story the answer obviously was yes with
895
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the cooperation of the United States Air
897
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Force
899
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Life magazine conducted an exhaustive
901
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one-year study out of a number of
903
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conclusions this one caught my eye no
905
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power plant known or projected on earth
907
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could account for the performance of
909
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these devices
911
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$6.00 hoes is a journalist and a
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qualified pilot he saw what he believed
915
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to be a flying frosted flight from
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Winnipeg to Vancouver and jet aircraft
919
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so we're very high above 37,000 feet
921
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coming up on the Mount this brought
923
00:22:04,259 --> 00:22:09,690
sunset this unexplained light was or a
925
00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:12,330
disc-shaped object was down in the
927
00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:16,619
darkness so I just have never full of
929
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camera with me we took the picture in my
931
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opinion I think they were worried that
933
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they were panic the public if they
935
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needed someone had vehicles that had
937
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:28,200
this kind of performance way back right
939
00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:33,440
after World War two period of time they
941
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:35,850
started telling lies dr. J Allen Hynek
943
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:39,490
investigated UFOs for the United States
945
00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:41,200
Air Force for over 22 years
947
00:22:39,490 --> 00:22:43,799
the most well-known of these
949
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,500
investigations was Project Blue Book
951
00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:50,289
where media is not in this 1979
953
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:52,690
interview dr. Hynek revealed why the Air
955
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Force changed its public position they
957
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were strongly guided by the CIA because
959
00:22:55,419 --> 00:23:01,690
the CIA was not concerned so much with
961
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,730
UFOs as they were with UFO reports they
963
00:23:01,690 --> 00:23:05,770
were afraid actually that if another
965
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nation water perpetrated another Pearl
967
00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:11,559
Harbor that if their agents spawned a
969
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,149
bunch of false flying saucer stories
971
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that might clog the military worse has
973
00:23:13,149 --> 00:23:18,760
actually happened in 1952 so they
975
00:23:16,409 --> 00:23:20,320
devised the so-called Robertson man
977
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,870
which I was an associate member at the
979
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,970
time a very prestigious panel I was one
981
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:27,159
of the lower ranking ones they had Nobel
983
00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:31,270
Prize winners and whatnot on it but
985
00:23:27,159 --> 00:23:33,370
anyway they handed down the dictum which
987
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:36,279
then became sort of the unwritten law of
989
00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:38,590
the Air Force don't rock the boat play
991
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:40,899
it down clean it don't get the public
993
00:23:38,590 --> 00:23:43,090
excited what is your answer the people
995
00:23:40,899 --> 00:23:45,070
who are sure there are spaceships and
997
00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:46,779
they serve at you and the Air Force are
999
00:23:45,070 --> 00:23:48,580
in cahoots well first of all this
1001
00:23:46,779 --> 00:23:50,830
business about being in cahoots suggest
1003
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simply a downright false but I know
1005
00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:57,399
having been in Blue Book for nearly 20
1007
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years that whenever an interesting case
1009
00:23:57,399 --> 00:24:02,320
came up the very last thing in the world
1011
00:24:00,010 --> 00:24:04,000
they would do is to notify the media and
1013
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,279
when the media themselves found out
1015
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,380
something therefore did its best to play
1017
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:12,659
it out it's called it a balloon called
1019
00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:16,210
it in the star called booms meteors
1021
00:24:12,659 --> 00:24:20,169
satellites aircraft seen the Sun
1023
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glinting off of them and the birds are
1025
00:24:20,169 --> 00:24:25,419
critics continually charged that the
1027
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earth of air force is withholding
1029
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information from the general public on
1031
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,570
this subject
1033
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:33,980
this is absolutely untrue
1035
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:35,960
there's nothing in the records which
1037
00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:38,659
would indicate that we have been visited
1039
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,429
by any advanced civilization there's
1041
00:24:38,659 --> 00:24:41,289
nothing to have there's nothing to hide
1043
00:24:40,429 --> 00:24:44,929
at all
1045
00:24:41,289 --> 00:24:47,299
but if reports of flying saucers are
1047
00:24:44,929 --> 00:24:50,659
nothing new when it got to the top of
1049
00:24:47,299 --> 00:24:53,539
the trees it stopped looking around yet
1051
00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:56,059
residents of the area saw it the police
1053
00:24:53,539 --> 00:24:57,649
saw it sergeant Newell Snyder of the
1055
00:24:56,059 --> 00:24:59,929
Sheriff's Office remembered it was
1057
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enough to draw what do you think it was
1059
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off they called a flying saucer that's
1061
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,639
what I did the Air Force that is chief
1063
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scientific consultant on UFOs professor
1065
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J Allen Hynek to check the Michigan
1067
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Fighting's a little bit of swamp right
1069
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appears here it goes out another one
1071
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appears over here that goes out and
1073
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empathy illusion as you from a distance
1075
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is that the object to move back and
1077
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forth the citizens of Michigan didn't
1079
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:30,889
buy it and asked then congressman Gerald
1081
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:33,110
Ford to investigate Georgia what about
1083
00:25:30,889 --> 00:25:34,669
flying saucers you had found in Michigan
1085
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:36,919
the past week
1087
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:38,539
you really believe in flying saucers you
1089
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fought with congressional investigation
1091
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Dave we've had several incidents in
1093
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Michigan in the last week our incident
1095
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that many reliable good citizens felt
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were sufficient to justify some action
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by our government and not the kind of
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flippant answer that was given by the
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Air Force where they pass it off as a
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stopgap this is not an attack on the air
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force spokesman or the project spokesman
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they are simply following orders to
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explain away all UFO sightings as
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quickly as possible when they become
1115
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public and deny that you
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00:26:20,130 --> 00:26:24,960
really a good scientists were being
1119
00:26:22,919 --> 00:26:27,630
misled even as the public was being
1121
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,970
mislead to this day or scientists have
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00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:32,130
no inkling of the serious hardcore
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00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:35,010
elements because now it's all treated
1127
00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:36,750
like a tabloid subject are you sorry now
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00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:40,140
that you did tell people what you saw
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00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:41,940
yes I am I'm sorry because it not that
1133
00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:43,830
it's not the truth but it's just the
1135
00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:46,830
idea the reaction of the people they
1137
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:48,809
think you're a nut tell you the truth
1139
00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:50,039
that's just what they figure you are and
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00:26:48,809 --> 00:26:52,049
I'm not going to take my I don't want
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00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:54,960
nobody down in here I just leave me
1145
00:26:52,049 --> 00:26:57,240
alone and if it's the thing lands like
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00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:01,950
the motor that I pump I'd never say a
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00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:03,840
word ten years ago in 1969 they closed
1151
00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:06,870
Blue Book and I thought for a while that
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00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:09,510
maybe well maybe this was finally going
1155
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:13,289
to be over but since that time we've had
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00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:14,760
about 25,000 more UFO reports many of
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00:27:13,289 --> 00:27:16,140
the hundreds of people reporting the
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00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,190
sightings believe they've all seen the
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00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:23,210
same object it's called the Hudson
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00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:23,210
Valley UFO
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[Music]
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not quite well I'll be talking to tell
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you something funny I don't know what
1173
00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:38,080
the hell it is it moved in a very
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00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:42,430
straight line very slowly
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00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:46,240
there was absolutely no noise there was
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00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:47,880
not a sound and it moved smoothly very
1181
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,620
smoothly it looked like it was floating
1183
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:54,790
it was silent it was hovering
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00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:58,540
I mean airplanes can hover do you
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00:27:54,790 --> 00:28:00,580
believe those first I know sir how do
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00:27:58,540 --> 00:28:01,960
you know that you're not being used how
1191
00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:11,020
do you know that you know the full story
1193
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:12,700
way my name is Gary Tuchman with CNN and
1195
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:14,710
this questions for the governor and mr.
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00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:16,360
Callahan this really is a government
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that doesn't mind scaring us
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00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:20,080
we still have orange alerts and red
1203
00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:22,240
alerts and they scare us all the time it
1205
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,150
keeps people at work so I'm wondering
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00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,070
why you think and you just state that
1209
00:28:25,150 --> 00:28:28,540
that's the reason and that's it is that
1211
00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:31,750
really the motivation for a government
1213
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:34,240
that doesn't mind scaring us if these
1215
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:37,240
phenomena are as technologically
1217
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,770
advanced as they appear to be then one
1219
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,680
could say that we're completely
1221
00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:43,600
vulnerable as a civilization and that's
1223
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,120
to some people that might be horrifying
1225
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,010
and I'm just speculating on that that
1227
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,150
feeling of vulnerability and so a lot of
1229
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:50,500
people like to say well you know we're
1231
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:52,570
not vulnerable that's just not true that
1233
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,000
didn't happen and they shot it out of
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00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:59,460
their minds
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[Music]
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right under something I know well well
1241
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:08,190
we could do a little raffle table
1243
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:10,770
introduction then you know because you
1245
00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:14,400
know few of us have only just met and
1247
00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:16,230
things like that yeah they already have
1249
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,770
extensive you could after the program
1251
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:20,430
last evening they did the survey on the
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00:29:19,770 --> 00:29:22,410
Internet
1255
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:25,020
and they asked people do you believe in
1257
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:26,880
UFOs what were the results seventy-five
1259
00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:37,200
or eighty percent eighty eighty three
1261
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percent yes have a chance you open guys
1263
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,270
are all here we were talking about
1265
00:29:38,540 --> 00:29:43,800
someone said to be here for six thirty
1267
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six thirty is the right time you had a
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crater like melanomas here yes I came
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back no and with your night before our
1273
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:52,020
big event at the National Press Club we
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00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:54,540
all met for dinner said one of the
1277
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:56,610
people I spoke to his meteorological
1279
00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:59,820
office my dream was coming true
1281
00:29:56,610 --> 00:30:02,040
here I was surrounded by credible people
1283
00:29:59,820 --> 00:30:04,440
who are about to share incredible
1285
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,190
stories so these are reliable witnesses
1287
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,760
yeah
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00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:12,050
there were generals pilots physicists
1291
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,580
and FAA official an Air Force colonel
1293
00:30:12,050 --> 00:30:16,740
I'd never been in a room full of so many
1295
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people of this caliber comfortably
1297
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:25,320
talking about the existence of UFOs we
1299
00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:26,970
were enjoying our time together it was
1301
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,340
remarkable how everyone had something
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00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:31,350
extraordinary in common there was a
1305
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:33,720
mutual understanding and I got some
1307
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:35,220
answers to some big questions why did
1309
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,680
the French government do what they did
1311
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:42,120
by releasing the UFO FILES just recently
1313
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:45,060
it took 15 years to convince to do
1315
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,370
something despite the public position of
1317
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:49,440
the US government
1319
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:51,510
somebody whether it was on an official
1321
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,870
or a sort of back channel basis but
1323
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:56,910
somebody most definitely was looking
1325
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:58,950
into the UFO phenomenon if you're not
1327
00:30:56,910 --> 00:31:01,000
capable to identify whatever flies
1329
00:30:58,950 --> 00:31:03,490
around
1331
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,690
there is something wrong could you say
1333
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:06,490
something very quickly one of the things
1335
00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:08,140
I always remember you talking about was
1337
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:10,300
when you'd be at a cocktail party and
1339
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:12,400
the subject would come up with UFOs and
1341
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:14,710
you sat with one on the ground for 45
1343
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,950
minutes and you'd bite your tongue what
1345
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:19,570
was that like it was difficult but you
1347
00:31:17,950 --> 00:31:22,120
know in some ways there was some kind of
1349
00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:25,360
satisfaction involved there and they're
1351
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:30,040
talking about stuff that what if and I
1353
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:33,700
knew my name is James Penniston United
1355
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States Air Force retired in 1980 I was
1357
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:38,290
assigned to the largest Tactical Fighter
1359
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:40,300
Wing in the Air Force at the time is I
1361
00:31:38,290 --> 00:31:42,820
was stationed at RAF Woodbridge England
1363
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:44,730
shortly after midnight on the 26th of
1365
00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:47,830
December 1980
1367
00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:50,680
Staff Sergeant Stefan's briefed me that
1369
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:55,510
some lights were seen in Rendlesham
1371
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:58,330
forest just outside the back gate he
1373
00:31:55,510 --> 00:32:02,590
informed me that whatever he seen didn't
1375
00:31:58,330 --> 00:32:06,040
crash he told me it landed I then
1377
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ordered Airmen Caban Zak a1c burles
1379
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:12,760
to respond with me off site that night
1381
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:15,130
we were on security one which was in
1383
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:18,690
charge of mobile security for the
1385
00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:22,090
Woodbridge base and we responded to
1387
00:32:18,690 --> 00:32:24,460
jimbros his sighting of something out on
1389
00:32:22,090 --> 00:32:26,800
the edge of the flight line well the
1391
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:28,390
controller on the radio broadcast over
1393
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,120
the air that go down and check out a
1395
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:33,340
possible UFO there was a craft of some
1397
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:38,019
sort that was
1399
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:40,480
sitting just inside the tree line we
1401
00:32:38,019 --> 00:32:42,940
arrived to defected crash site it
1403
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,669
quickly became apparent that we were not
1405
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:47,590
dealing with a plane crash or for that
1407
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:49,570
matter anything else we've ever
1409
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:51,580
responded to Burroughs would say to Jim
1411
00:32:49,570 --> 00:32:53,740
Penniston do you see that you see do you
1413
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:56,019
see what's out there at that the edge of
1415
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:58,960
the trees was just bright lights you
1417
00:32:56,019 --> 00:33:00,519
know and the only way you can describe
1419
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,710
it is it I guess you'd call it an object
1421
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,619
at the point in time three of us direct
1423
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:07,269
observation of the craft I then asked
1425
00:33:05,619 --> 00:33:09,159
the airman commands act to relate the
1427
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:12,190
radio transmissions back to our control
1429
00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:14,289
center Burroughs and I proceeded towards
1431
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:16,299
the craft the only noise we heard out in
1433
00:33:14,289 --> 00:33:18,039
the woods was the noise of the animals
1435
00:33:16,299 --> 00:33:19,869
just as burles and I entered the
1437
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:23,289
treeline the shape of the craft was
1439
00:33:19,869 --> 00:33:25,360
defined the closer we got the more the
1441
00:33:23,289 --> 00:33:28,990
white light dissipated but what appeared
1443
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:33,129
was a trying of craft when we approached
1445
00:33:28,990 --> 00:33:38,710
it it was oh I say measured probably
1447
00:33:33,129 --> 00:33:41,200
about nine feet long maybe six feet high
1449
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:41,740
little higher mate maybe six and a half
1451
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,840
feet
1453
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:45,940
the lighting emanated from the fabric of
1455
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,559
the craft and it would actually move
1457
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:49,840
around and it would move you'd have
1459
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,860
different locations where maybe a little
1461
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,010
blue lighting was going into
1463
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:56,929
maybe lower red and then there must have
1465
00:33:55,010 --> 00:33:59,630
been some type of lighting underneath of
1467
00:33:56,929 --> 00:34:03,559
it because it's silhouetted the aircraft
1469
00:33:59,630 --> 00:34:05,540
itself I went around and started doing a
1471
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:08,300
360 walk around the area taking
1473
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:10,310
recording my observations I was looking
1475
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:13,220
underneath the craft like that I had
1477
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:18,560
taken quite detailed notes on that type
1479
00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:23,060
of aircraft still unknown no apparent
1481
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:25,730
landing gear no sound but appears to be
1483
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:28,429
pulsating somehow yeah it was pretty
1485
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:29,720
nerve-wracking I mean when you're there
1487
00:34:28,429 --> 00:34:30,710
something there right in front of you
1489
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:33,530
don't know what it is
1491
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:36,590
I would go ahead and feel the craft
1493
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:40,159
which was warm there was static
1495
00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:42,590
electricity in the air very warm to
1497
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:45,350
touch identifying markings are on left
1499
00:34:42,590 --> 00:34:49,190
front side as I came around to the one
1501
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:53,990
side of the craft there was edging on
1503
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:56,389
the face meet just above the center part
1505
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:57,859
of the craft itself of course this is
1507
00:34:56,389 --> 00:35:00,560
done all freehand as I was walking
1509
00:34:57,859 --> 00:35:02,780
around the craft but these symbols ran
1511
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,910
from left to right across and then
1513
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:09,109
underneath the those that line of
1515
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:10,760
symbols was this which is triangular and
1517
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:13,340
some type of circle here is some type of
1519
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,220
circle here in a larger circle here and
1521
00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:21,170
of course all this was filled in with
1523
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:22,880
the like the etching part of it I was
1525
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:27,560
curious about the symbols that Jim
1527
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,420
Penniston copied in his logbook I had
1529
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,880
these symbols enlarged and then showed
1531
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:34,880
him to cryptologist mathematician George
1533
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,130
deglet I wanted to know if he had any
1535
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,460
ideas as to what they might mean the
1537
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:43,550
first symbol looks to me like a vessel
1539
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:46,550
with a steering or a float in some sort
1541
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:50,240
of medium the second symbol looks like a
1543
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:52,850
glyph associated with a mathematical
1545
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:57,440
idea known as the fiber nachi series
1547
00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:58,819
which is found everywhere in nature and
1549
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,979
this is what we have here
1551
00:35:58,819 --> 00:36:05,839
the root of a fiber now g-series 1 2 & 3
1553
00:36:03,979 --> 00:36:08,719
taken as a house rather clever glyph
1555
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:11,390
all-in-one mr. dag was stressed that
1557
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,400
this was only speculation but I found
1559
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:15,890
his interpretations quite interesting
1561
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,749
especially since I've always heard that
1563
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:20,390
the only universal language would be
1565
00:36:17,749 --> 00:36:23,709
mathematics from that game so this is
1567
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:27,259
the last clip and how did you decipher
1569
00:36:23,709 --> 00:36:31,819
this they could represent an apse in an
1571
00:36:27,259 --> 00:36:35,859
orbit a perigee or an Apogee and if they
1573
00:36:31,819 --> 00:36:39,169
are APS's Apogee and perigee as it means
1575
00:36:35,859 --> 00:36:44,089
that the orbiter is doing a highly
1577
00:36:39,169 --> 00:36:46,069
processive orbit like that so if you are
1579
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:49,009
going to survey a planet and this is an
1581
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:50,839
orbiter which would be a very sensible
1583
00:36:49,009 --> 00:36:52,849
arrangement if you were using the
1585
00:36:50,839 --> 00:36:55,869
vehicle as a surveying vehicle because
1587
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:57,890
you get a maximum look at the planning I
1589
00:36:55,869 --> 00:36:59,719
don't think they were trying to send us
1591
00:36:57,890 --> 00:37:02,150
a metaphysical measures about the beauty
1593
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,349
of life on the partner what the reason
1595
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:05,509
for the universe or anything like that
1597
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:09,289
or their own existence I think it's just
1599
00:37:05,509 --> 00:37:13,009
more utilitarian marking so they knew
1601
00:37:09,289 --> 00:37:16,059
what craft they were dealing with I knew
1603
00:37:13,009 --> 00:37:17,610
that that craft could not have been made
1605
00:37:16,059 --> 00:37:21,369
by man
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00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:21,369
[Music]
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and then they started moving back in
1611
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:33,560
between the trees with absolutely no
1613
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:37,520
sound no air disturbance at all takeoff
1615
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:40,230
unknown Street and I write impossible I
1617
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,180
mean it was threatening to Mia but it
1619
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:43,920
wasn't the type that you were going to
1621
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:45,870
shoot on it and also the fact was that
1623
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,380
what would happen if I would have shot
1625
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at him
1627
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:56,250
boy what good would it have done that
1629
00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:59,850
night over 80 Air Force personnel all
1631
00:37:56,250 --> 00:38:01,770
trained observers assigned to the 81st
1633
00:37:59,850 --> 00:38:05,250
security police squadron witnessed the
1635
00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:06,930
takeoff the information acquired during
1637
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:09,990
that investigation was reported through
1639
00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:12,030
my military channels the team and
1641
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:16,550
witnesses were told to treat the
1643
00:38:12,030 --> 00:38:20,609
investigation as top-secret thank
1645
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:20,609
[Applause]
1647
00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:25,890
as the deputy base commander Colonel
1649
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,680
Charles halt was in charge of the
1651
00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:31,680
investigation when he too became a
1653
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,599
witness in late December 1980 I was
1655
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,880
called upon to investigate a very
1657
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,650
strange event an event that was
1659
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,930
distracting our security police from
1661
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:41,910
their primary duties I believe that he
1663
00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:44,040
would have debunked the whole situation
1665
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:46,619
and I think he got in the middle of a
1667
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,270
situation he could explain either two
1669
00:38:46,619 --> 00:38:50,849
nights later at the family Christmas
1671
00:38:48,270 --> 00:38:53,490
party I was interrupted by the on-duty
1673
00:38:50,849 --> 00:38:57,780
police commander he told of strange
1675
00:38:53,490 --> 00:39:00,210
events and said it was back since my
1677
00:38:57,780 --> 00:39:02,670
boss had to present Awards I was tasked
1679
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:05,970
to go out and investigate I fully
1681
00:39:02,670 --> 00:39:07,680
expected to find an explanation during
1683
00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:09,210
this entire event I was fortunate to
1685
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,410
have with me and my small pocket
1687
00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:12,210
recorder of the little engine what
1689
00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:15,140
you're about to hear are excerpts from
1691
00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:18,030
the original recording made that night
1693
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:21,140
after some time strange my throat right
1695
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:23,210
a hair show I saw y'all attention too
1697
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:25,829
weird
1699
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:28,200
now we've got an object out raised
1701
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:31,200
directly saw trees on the rise it lifts
1703
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,740
and once another movement or two and
1705
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,740
away from us
1707
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:44,000
oh here he comes from the side he's
1709
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:47,030
coming toward us now one approach to
1711
00:39:44,000 --> 00:40:00,560
very high speed and sent on a strange
1713
00:39:47,030 --> 00:40:02,630
beam right at our feet another object
1715
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,210
sent down beams alight into the weapons
1717
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:06,920
storage area the whole time we had
1719
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:09,350
difficulty communicating with the base
1721
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:13,460
as all three radio frequencies we were
1723
00:40:09,350 --> 00:40:15,380
using kept breaking up I have no idea
1725
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:17,000
what we saw that night but I do know
1727
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:24,500
with great certainty it was under
1729
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:26,600
intelligent control five star Admiral
1731
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:28,760
Lord Hill Norton had been pressuring
1733
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,520
Parliament to provide clear answers on
1735
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,670
this case I wanted to know if he
1737
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:37,220
believed a UFO actually landed at a u.s.
1739
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:39,350
airbase in England that is one
1741
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:42,580
explanation that it actually happened as
1743
00:40:39,350 --> 00:40:47,300
Colonel Holt reported the other
1745
00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:50,570
explanation is that it didn't and in
1747
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:53,030
that case one is bound to assume that
1749
00:40:50,570 --> 00:40:56,540
Colonel Holt and all his men were
1751
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:58,910
hallucinating the British Ministry of
1753
00:40:56,540 --> 00:41:01,790
Defense's position is that nothing of
1755
00:40:58,910 --> 00:41:04,040
any defence interest took place this
1757
00:41:01,790 --> 00:41:08,270
position was strongly criticized by the
1759
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:12,110
Admiral that the kernel of a an American
1761
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:14,750
Air Force Base in Suffolk and his Merry
1763
00:41:12,110 --> 00:41:18,050
Men are hallucinating when there are
1765
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:21,230
nuclear armed aircraft on the base must
1767
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:23,990
be of Defence interest if indeed what he
1769
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:26,330
says took place did take place and why
1771
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:30,770
on earth should he make it up then
1773
00:41:26,330 --> 00:41:34,100
surely the entry of a vehicle from outer
1775
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:37,130
space certainly not man-made to a
1777
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:40,820
defence base in this country also cannot
1779
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:41,930
fail to be of Defence interest outside
1781
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:44,630
the Parliament building
1783
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:46,490
I met with Nick Pope he investigated
1785
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:49,780
UFOs officially for the British
1787
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:53,560
government I reopened the case
1789
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:57,070
and conducted a sort of cold case review
1791
00:41:53,560 --> 00:42:00,130
of the original investigation and I was
1793
00:41:57,070 --> 00:42:02,440
shocked to find a series of basic errors
1795
00:42:00,130 --> 00:42:04,630
had been committed exactly the same
1797
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:08,020
sorts of errors that often fatally
1799
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:09,609
undermine a police investigation Nick
1801
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:11,500
Pope shared with me some startling
1803
00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:14,140
evidence from the Ministry of Defense's
1805
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:16,780
files this is one of the most important
1807
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:19,480
documents to emerged from the mo DS case
1809
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:23,050
files and it's from an assistant
1811
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:25,630
director in di 52 this is their
1813
00:42:23,050 --> 00:42:27,849
assessment of the radiation readings
1815
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:31,540
that Colonel halt and his team took at
1817
00:42:27,849 --> 00:42:33,810
the landing site what we have here is a
1819
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:36,220
plaster cast of one of the three
1821
00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:37,930
indentations the object the gym and the
1823
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:39,550
other two magenta line approached it's
1825
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:43,000
approximately eight to ten inches across
1827
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:46,180
and about three inches deep at its
1829
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,220
maximum point this is a cast number - he
1831
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:50,010
made an impression of all three of the
1833
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:54,570
indentations and they were all identical
1835
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:56,650
now here's the key bit these levels seem
1837
00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:59,890
significantly higher than the average
1839
00:42:56,650 --> 00:43:01,420
background and in fact I double-check
1841
00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:04,390
this with some other government
1843
00:43:01,420 --> 00:43:07,990
scientists it's about eight times normal
1845
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:11,140
so this is absolute proof positive from
1847
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:15,359
the mo deez own documentation that
1849
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:15,359
something extraordinary happened
1851
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:25,950
back in America I arranged a meeting
1853
00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:28,319
between Colonel halt and sergeant nevels
1855
00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:33,089
one of the men who is with them that
1857
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:36,029
night Oh sir are you doing today it's
1859
00:43:33,089 --> 00:43:38,369
been a long time oh these men shared an
1861
00:43:36,029 --> 00:43:40,529
extraordinary experience one that
1863
00:43:38,369 --> 00:43:42,660
puzzles them to this day yeah well I'm a
1865
00:43:40,529 --> 00:43:44,369
bit but I'll make it I was glad to have
1867
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:47,700
brought them together after 28 years
1869
00:43:44,369 --> 00:43:48,809
yeah if you've been there done that it's
1871
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,880
a whole lot different when those
1873
00:43:48,809 --> 00:43:54,390
skeptics did we sometimes run around
1875
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,059
with and they can't believe us and a lot
1877
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:58,769
of the other people that were involved
1879
00:43:56,059 --> 00:44:00,210
especially Penniston and Burroughs and
1881
00:43:58,769 --> 00:44:02,160
all have had all kinds of complications
1883
00:44:00,210 --> 00:44:03,690
and career problems I did too
1885
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:09,960
Penniston retired as a tech sergeant
1887
00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:12,239
probably should have made chief step by
1889
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,700
step Colonel Holt and Sergeant nevels
1891
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:17,729
went over what happened that night
1893
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,769
yes fry that ass bad girl it's coming
1895
00:44:17,729 --> 00:44:21,599
this way
1897
00:44:18,769 --> 00:44:26,069
coming this way what was going on right
1899
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:28,079
there it was Caprona us yep no way of
1901
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:30,359
calculating how fast it was going it was
1903
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,640
just gone it turns were 90-degree turns
1905
00:44:30,359 --> 00:44:37,529
they were just abrupt right and there is
1907
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:41,160
no way no way that anything we had in
1909
00:44:37,529 --> 00:44:44,069
technology then and I don't believe the
1911
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,559
technology we have today would allow
1913
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:49,890
anything that we saw to make the turns
1915
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:52,049
the way they turned we met with General
1917
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:54,630
Gordon Williams the Wing Commander of
1919
00:44:52,049 --> 00:44:57,989
the entire base he would neither confirm
1921
00:44:54,630 --> 00:45:00,079
nor deny the incident he did however
1923
00:44:57,989 --> 00:45:02,400
tell us how he felt about a leaked memo
1925
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:05,249
written by Deputy base commander Colonel
1927
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,229
Charles halt that went under the door
1929
00:45:05,249 --> 00:45:09,269
and I didn't see it now did he have a
1931
00:45:07,229 --> 00:45:10,890
motivation and doing that did he think
1933
00:45:09,269 --> 00:45:13,049
that if he brought it in to me I would
1935
00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:14,400
have stepped on it I certainly would
1937
00:45:13,049 --> 00:45:16,680
have looked at it very carefully because
1939
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:20,369
it had some things in there that I don't
1941
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:22,079
think we were prepared to defend once
1943
00:45:20,369 --> 00:45:23,489
that cat was out of the bag you know I
1945
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:27,539
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together
1947
00:45:23,489 --> 00:45:29,490
again and it lived its own life I just
1949
00:45:27,539 --> 00:45:31,950
find this very interesting that
1951
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:33,750
the US air force or government German
1953
00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:35,580
says that they don't investigate UFOs
1955
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:38,130
since the termination of Blue Book and
1957
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:40,380
yet you're convinced that there was an
1959
00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:42,599
investigation that took place so who
1961
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:43,859
gave the orders to do that it certainly
1963
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,869
didn't come from anybody that was
1965
00:45:43,859 --> 00:45:48,869
normally on the base other than in the
1967
00:45:45,869 --> 00:45:52,460
OSI I didn't tell my wife I didn't tell
1969
00:45:48,869 --> 00:45:57,200
my daughter I had a top secret clearance
1971
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:57,200
and when I was told to shut up I shut up
1973
00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:04,330
[Music]
1975
00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:06,690
salut Georgia to do suti my Kokomo skia
1977
00:46:04,330 --> 00:46:09,190
uncorrected a Yahoo magnet esta usted
1979
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:11,790
smooches ah it can smoke your daughter
1981
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:15,790
simulation concoction yup goes along
1983
00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:19,060
what I'm about to tell you is about your
1985
00:46:15,790 --> 00:46:20,200
vent that never happened for an event
1987
00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:23,230
that never happened
1989
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,970
FAA official John Callahan certainly has
1991
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:27,339
a lot of evidence they brought the voice
1993
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:29,200
tapes he kept audio recordings between
1995
00:46:27,339 --> 00:46:32,290
the cockpit and the tower as the
1997
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:35,280
incident unfolded he has 30 minutes of
1999
00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:38,109
taped radar that confirms the UFO a
2001
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:41,680
chart that documents all the objects in
2003
00:46:38,109 --> 00:46:44,619
the 747s flight path and the official
2005
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:47,109
FAA report event that never happened
2007
00:46:44,619 --> 00:46:49,180
according to Callahan all of this was
2009
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:51,010
presented to the CIA in a private
2011
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:53,589
meeting when the pilot first reported
2013
00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:55,060
the UFO he described it as a huge ball
2015
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:57,310
with lights running around that he said
2017
00:46:55,060 --> 00:47:00,099
it was about four times bigger than the
2019
00:46:57,310 --> 00:47:02,380
747 he was riding and remember the 747
2021
00:47:00,099 --> 00:47:04,089
has an elevator and he's looking out the
2023
00:47:02,380 --> 00:47:06,820
window when he see something that's four
2025
00:47:04,089 --> 00:47:08,619
times the size of his aircraft what
2027
00:47:06,820 --> 00:47:10,810
you're about to see and here are
2029
00:47:08,619 --> 00:47:13,180
excerpts from the actual radar and
2031
00:47:10,810 --> 00:47:15,780
cockpit conversations as the incident
2033
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:15,780
unfolded
2035
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,310
Oh
2037
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:28,489
[Applause]
2039
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:43,470
six-month edition
2041
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:47,590
16:20
2043
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:29,610
20 seconds so one time he says it's over
2045
00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:31,770
here at 12 o'clock in 8 miles and when
2047
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:36,150
the antenna goes by we see a target
2049
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:36,630
there 10 seconds later it is now behind
2051
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:39,480
them
2053
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:42,780
6 7 miles behind so what's going from
2055
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,760
from 8 miles out here to set to 7 miles
2057
00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:46,980
back here really only five to six
2059
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,960
seconds when I went back to headquarters
2061
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:51,030
I gave Admiral England a quick briefing
2063
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,500
and showed him the video he set up a
2065
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:55,050
briefing with the President Reagan's
2067
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:58,050
scientific staff told me my function was
2069
00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:59,850
to hand this operation off to those
2071
00:48:58,050 --> 00:49:02,100
people those people ended up being the
2073
00:48:59,850 --> 00:49:06,450
CIA the president's group a bunch of
2075
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:10,890
grunts that came to the meeting the CIA
2077
00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:15,950
said to all the people who have this
2079
00:49:10,890 --> 00:49:20,030
event never happened we were never here
2081
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:22,940
and you're all sworn to secrecy
2083
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:26,040
we are confiscating all this data and
2085
00:49:22,940 --> 00:49:27,510
they did they took everything that was
2087
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,190
in the room in those days when you
2089
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:31,620
printed out something from the computer
2091
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:33,720
fortunately he kept copies of everything
2093
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:36,570
back in his office that's the end of my
2095
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:40,550
speech are you going to believe your
2097
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:40,550
lying eyes oh the government
2099
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:50,330
[Applause]
2101
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:53,300
well how do you feel about your husband
2103
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:56,180
coming coming forward well I think that
2105
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:59,240
that's John John is comfortable in what
2107
00:49:56,180 --> 00:50:02,060
he says and what he does and that if he
2109
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:04,190
what he sees he will tell what he sees
2111
00:50:02,060 --> 00:50:06,770
and I don't think anybody is going to
2113
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:09,320
tell him that he can't and I'm proud of
2115
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:12,400
it I think he does a good job and he's
2117
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,400
telling the world what you know
2119
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:17,610
one of our greatest success stories was
2121
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,400
getting general Jafari from Iran to DC
2123
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:23,340
it took three months of negotiations to
2125
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,650
get his visa Jafari was one of two
2127
00:50:23,340 --> 00:50:28,320
Iranian fighter pilots ordered to
2129
00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:33,690
intercept a UFO hovering over Tehran
2131
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:37,150
Iran in 1976 the pilot in the first jet
2133
00:50:33,690 --> 00:50:38,480
last instrumentation and communication
2135
00:50:37,150 --> 00:50:41,780
[Music]
2137
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:47,280
when he got too close to the brilliant
2139
00:50:41,780 --> 00:50:49,740
object so he headed back about ten
2141
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:54,660
minutes later they scrambled a second
2143
00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:57,120
jet which I was piloting general Jafari
2145
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:59,540
scrambled his f4 phantom jet to get a
2147
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,540
closer look
2149
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,180
he gave us this Iranian Air Force
2151
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:15,010
reenactment film featuring the original
2153
00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:17,320
witnesses and planes even though Jafar
2155
00:51:15,010 --> 00:51:19,450
EES f-4 fighter jet was travelling at
2157
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:23,200
the speed of sound it was nowhere near
2159
00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:27,850
fast enough imagine when I was looking
2161
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:32,220
here at about 70 miles out and he jumps
2163
00:51:27,850 --> 00:51:36,370
all of a sudden ten degrees to my right
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00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:39,420
in this angle ten degrees this part
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00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:43,240
which it was traveling becomes about
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00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:47,590
twenty six point seven miles per moment
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00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:51,340
I don't say per second maybe maybe less
2173
00:51:47,590 --> 00:51:53,770
than a second nobody showed Jafari was
2175
00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:55,780
flying towards the UFO when a smaller
2177
00:51:53,770 --> 00:52:00,460
object separated from it and headed
2179
00:51:55,780 --> 00:52:03,640
right at him his only instinct was to
2181
00:52:00,460 --> 00:52:06,420
shoot at it but that turned out to be a
2183
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,420
bad idea
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[Music]
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00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:17,940
all the instrument reflecting the
2189
00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:21,780
goggles in the radio so I was really
2191
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:24,960
frightened so I decided to turn away and
2193
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:27,660
I said if it comes closer than about
2195
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,700
four minds I will jump out
2197
00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:32,550
so having maneuvered away from the
2199
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:35,010
object Jaffar his control panel returned
2201
00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:37,170
to normal and he regained contact with
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00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:39,600
the tower I just sort of mysterious
2205
00:52:37,170 --> 00:52:41,430
understood G&G correspond polish on
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00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:46,890
bikini shot of ambition is I'm off and I
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00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:48,930
feel in the cave yet despite the United
2211
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:51,090
States government's claim that they have
2213
00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:54,300
not investigated UFOs since the close in
2215
00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:57,770
a project Bluebook in 1969 this defense
2217
00:52:54,300 --> 00:53:02,220
intelligence agency report made in 1976
2219
00:52:57,770 --> 00:53:06,080
indicates otherwise it was obtained
2221
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:06,080
through the Freedom of Information Act
2223
00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:12,069
so you think the reason why they're not
2225
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:15,640
telling us is because they can't trust
2227
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:19,329
them or they can't trust and the second
2229
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:25,779
one maybe as I said they don't want
2231
00:53:19,329 --> 00:53:27,640
people to be panic and we don't take
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00:53:25,779 --> 00:53:29,049
sides on 360 we like to present you with
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00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,369
facts and information from different
2237
00:53:29,049 --> 00:53:32,289
angles and let you make up your own
2239
00:53:30,369 --> 00:53:34,150
minds about things that's particularly
2241
00:53:32,289 --> 00:53:35,469
true with mysteries and for many
2243
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:37,869
Americans there's no mystery greater
2245
00:53:35,469 --> 00:53:39,940
than UFOs James Fox helped organize
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00:53:37,869 --> 00:53:41,799
today's UFO related event in Washington
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00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:43,809
he joins me now along with astronomer
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00:53:41,799 --> 00:53:45,369
former Air Force pilot and skeptic James
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00:53:43,809 --> 00:53:45,849
McGee hey thanks for being with us both
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00:53:45,369 --> 00:53:47,799
of you
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00:53:45,849 --> 00:53:48,849
why should what this panel is calling
2259
00:53:47,799 --> 00:53:50,170
for essentially it's some sort of
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00:53:48,849 --> 00:53:52,150
government investigation about why
2263
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:54,160
shouldn't there be further investigation
2265
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:55,749
well there have been investigation it
2267
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,279
was we'll hang on a second let me just
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00:53:55,749 --> 00:53:58,930
state this clearly one of the things why
2271
00:53:57,279 --> 00:54:00,849
are we gonna help you keep interrupting
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00:53:58,930 --> 00:54:02,199
me sir please one of the things I want
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00:54:00,849 --> 00:54:03,999
to mention very quickly is that the
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00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,859
official position for the Air Force is
2279
00:54:03,999 --> 00:54:08,140
that they terminated Project Blue Book
2281
00:54:05,859 --> 00:54:10,209
in 1969 as there have been no official
2283
00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:12,039
investigation since then however we
2285
00:54:10,209 --> 00:54:14,289
found evidence to suggest the contrary
2287
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:16,420
on a number of cases in Tehran the
2289
00:54:14,289 --> 00:54:18,099
general said the Americans were making
2291
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:20,380
discreet inquiries about the case that
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00:54:18,099 --> 00:54:22,059
excuse me there as well as Bentwaters
2295
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:23,709
England the colonel said that the OSI
2297
00:54:22,059 --> 00:54:24,789
came in investigated that so you believe
2299
00:54:23,709 --> 00:54:26,319
there in areas you government
2301
00:54:24,789 --> 00:54:27,549
investigation going on you just wanted
2303
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:30,609
what they're making this they're making
2305
00:54:27,549 --> 00:54:34,239
discreet inquiries unofficially yes well
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00:54:30,609 --> 00:54:37,209
UFOs are basically a modern space-age
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00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:41,319
mythology it's a it's a conspiracy
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00:54:37,209 --> 00:54:42,789
wrapped and superstition and myth where
2313
00:54:41,319 --> 00:54:45,699
does this superstition and myth come
2315
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:47,289
from and how could it be so pervasive
2317
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:49,599
within a few months of the original
2319
00:54:47,289 --> 00:54:52,780
saucer report practically everyone in
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00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:55,899
America was conscious of flying saucers
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[Music]
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though did you see a UFO I did and the
2327
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:09,010
rest of the account oh I didn't I it was
2329
00:55:07,029 --> 00:55:12,549
unidentified flying object okay it's
2331
00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:14,740
like and and and so wait got to be
2333
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:17,019
kidding and then I would say where was
2335
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:20,049
it what did it look like what were you
2337
00:55:17,019 --> 00:55:22,029
doing how much had you had what it saw
2339
00:55:20,049 --> 00:55:24,910
it it was probably some sort of some
2341
00:55:22,029 --> 00:55:26,470
other satellite or a fast-moving
2343
00:55:24,910 --> 00:55:27,099
airplane that they saw I wouldn't
2345
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:28,869
believe them
2347
00:55:27,099 --> 00:55:31,660
I mean I know there's been sightings
2349
00:55:28,869 --> 00:55:35,019
random I'm not well documented well Jay
2351
00:55:31,660 --> 00:55:37,390
Leno once asked if these UFOs s cursory
2353
00:55:35,019 --> 00:55:38,740
skills are so highly evolved how come it
2355
00:55:37,390 --> 00:55:47,890
is that they only address people named
2357
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:50,950
Bubba well taken special ladies and
2359
00:55:47,890 --> 00:55:54,490
gentlemen good morning my name is Wilson
2361
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:56,829
de Brouwer I'm a retired major down of
2363
00:55:54,490 --> 00:56:00,700
the budget Air Force and I was chief
2365
00:55:56,829 --> 00:56:03,160
operations in the air staff at the time
2367
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:06,160
that an exceptional UFO wave could
2369
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:11,109
basically budge the nature of the
2371
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:15,460
sighting was such that people identify a
2373
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:22,630
large triangular platform with very
2375
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:27,309
intensive spotlights also hovering being
2377
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:30,059
static at a certain moment being able to
2379
00:56:27,309 --> 00:56:32,619
fly at very low speeds and done
2381
00:56:30,059 --> 00:56:35,260
accelerating to very high speeds and
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00:56:32,619 --> 00:56:40,580
seconds
2385
00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:45,000
in addition these objects didn't make
2387
00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:51,220
any noise was only a humming noise
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00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:54,340
[Music]
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00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:58,359
were there ever any any inquiries from
2393
00:56:54,340 --> 00:57:00,849
the American government to the Belgian
2395
00:56:58,359 --> 00:57:01,570
Air Force regarding a identified flying
2397
00:57:00,849 --> 00:57:05,500
object
2399
00:57:01,570 --> 00:57:07,570
yes while some informal inquiries but
2401
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:13,990
nothing formed I would have liked to see
2403
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:16,960
a formal request but some people came to
2405
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:19,030
my office and asked about this
2407
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:23,200
phenomenon and also what we thought
2409
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:26,140
about it and asked to have a copy of a
2411
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:30,580
video which was taken by one of the
2413
00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:35,050
aircraft which try to intercept one of
2415
00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:37,300
these objects and I said yes you can
2417
00:57:35,050 --> 00:57:38,730
have a copy providing this a formal
2419
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:42,530
request
2421
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:42,530
and we never received a formal request
2423
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:52,740
high five for forage I do have a primary
2425
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:55,440
contact now good morning everybody thank
2427
00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:58,260
you for coming this morning my name is
2429
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,950
Ray Berea and I fly a civilian airliner
2431
00:57:58,260 --> 00:58:04,920
as Captain I've been invited here at due
2433
00:58:01,950 --> 00:58:06,930
to my sighting last April of multiple as
2435
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,490
yet unidentified objects over the
2437
00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:09,480
Channel Islands region of the English
2439
00:58:08,490 --> 00:58:12,200
Channel
2441
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,700
[Music]
2443
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,619
thanks for joining us pilots and
2445
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:19,289
aircraft passengers have confirmed
2447
00:58:16,619 --> 00:58:22,260
sightings of a large unidentified flying
2449
00:58:19,289 --> 00:58:24,450
object off the coast of Guernsey the
2451
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:27,000
mysterious shapes were spotted earlier
2453
00:58:24,450 --> 00:58:29,460
in the week and to describe as a long
2455
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:38,520
motionless object that measured up to a
2457
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:42,600
mile wide before that message you say
2459
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,760
how far but I find twelve o'clock level
2461
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:49,370
[Music]
2463
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:51,220
so I've got a very bright object well
2465
00:58:49,370 --> 00:58:54,770
to help our friendly bright
2467
00:58:51,220 --> 00:58:56,870
yellow-orange object straight ahead a
2469
00:58:54,770 --> 00:58:57,920
very flat platform independent triple
2471
00:58:56,870 --> 00:59:00,950
oculus as we speak
2473
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:03,980
high five for forage I do have a primary
2475
00:59:00,950 --> 00:59:05,570
contact now very playing primary contact
2477
00:59:03,980 --> 00:59:08,600
just the left from see your 11 o'clock
2479
00:59:05,570 --> 00:59:12,620
this time and range of about the four
2481
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:16,750
channels definitely contact my swirl
2483
00:59:12,620 --> 00:59:20,570
before very bright yellow object looking
2485
00:59:16,750 --> 00:59:23,450
well she gone
2487
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:26,290
dirty blooded a 3-2 zone asked us to
2489
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:28,760
look if we could see an object which is
2491
00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:29,570
being feed by a line at the moment we've
2493
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,620
got something about eight o'clock
2495
00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:36,160
resembling with the scripture and 818
2497
00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:38,810
Roger what range of just may not volume
2499
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,530
round about the similar range to Albany
2501
00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:44,960
for Liza well if we put off as I am now
2503
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:48,100
there's a second one just appeared
2505
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,970
middle and the first one from where I am
2507
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:53,000
butterfly forwards confirming their
2509
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:55,420
water patches can see this aircraft from
2511
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,010
the Arnhem visual dead ahead
2513
00:59:55,420 --> 01:00:00,590
transfer how far probably five miles we
2515
00:59:58,010 --> 01:00:03,350
stay on the same size comes to be often
2517
01:00:00,590 --> 01:00:06,710
in north north northwest coast of
2519
01:00:03,350 --> 01:00:10,760
opening a line 5/4 or did you like
2521
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:13,040
descent please American go down five
2523
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:16,880
four four just sent off to two thousand
2525
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,290
feet in qhs on 31 10 2001 through two
2527
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:24,130
wonderfully flames asleep where I'm
2529
01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:27,080
without any buffers were you scared I
2531
01:00:24,130 --> 01:00:30,940
wasn't too happy why it's quite glad to
2533
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,940
get on the ground and have a cup of tea
2535
01:00:32,260 --> 01:00:37,400
we flew to Guernsey an island off the
2537
01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:39,470
northwest coast of France to get some
2539
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,990
first-hand testimony where the sighting
2541
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:44,510
took place here
2543
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:46,250
we met with captain ray Bowyer and two
2545
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:48,289
of his passengers we're traveling back
2547
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:54,230
from Southampton to - or Denis in
2549
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:55,819
innatron under I had noticed ray looking
2551
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:58,039
out through the windscreen with his
2553
01:00:55,819 --> 01:00:59,990
binoculars which is quite unusual I saw
2555
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:01,789
ray turn around and talked to someone
2557
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:03,650
behind him while we were flying
2559
01:01:01,789 --> 01:01:05,839
no it wasn't whirring from the
2561
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:09,109
standpoint of flying but it was unusual
2563
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:11,450
and he was gesturing to something down
2565
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:14,089
below or nearing the objects a second
2567
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:17,029
identical shape appeared beyond the
2569
01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:20,440
first both objects were of a flattened
2571
01:01:17,029 --> 01:01:22,640
disc shape with a dark area to the right
2573
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,640
they were brilliant yellow with light
2575
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,440
emanating from with him and I submitted
2577
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:31,010
them to be up to possibly a mile across
2579
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:34,819
I pointed it out to John he had to lean
2581
01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:38,569
across me to be able to see it it was it
2583
01:01:34,819 --> 01:01:42,349
was like that this is a big object in
2585
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:43,730
the sky very very big object and I
2587
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:45,140
didn't want to be too close to it so
2589
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:48,470
there's at that time anyway where we had
2591
01:01:45,140 --> 01:01:50,569
to descend the land and with both
2593
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:51,589
objects still visible and a lot of the
2595
01:01:50,569 --> 01:01:53,720
passengers in the back of the aircraft
2597
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:56,619
we descended through the two thousand
2599
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:59,210
foot Hazen layer and lost sight of it
2601
01:01:56,619 --> 01:02:00,500
so ray why didn't you bring this to the
2603
01:01:59,210 --> 01:02:01,849
attention of your passengers I mean
2605
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:03,740
normally when a private seat something a
2607
01:02:01,849 --> 01:02:08,559
bit of interest he says if you look at
2609
01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:11,299
to your left you'll see New York a
2611
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:13,549
little bit away far away from you well
2613
01:02:11,299 --> 01:02:16,130
it was some I did want to alarm anybody
2615
01:02:13,549 --> 01:02:17,660
at that point there again as we got
2617
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:19,930
closer to these objects there was no
2619
01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:25,800
hiding it they were just there
2621
01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:25,800
[Music]
2623
01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:34,720
I take a note of some of the differences
2625
01:02:31,810 --> 01:02:35,349
between the British and the US reporting
2627
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,599
system
2629
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:39,910
it appears that attitudes on opposite
2631
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,800
sides of the Atlantic are very different
2633
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:44,260
when it comes to the required reporting
2635
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:46,390
and recording of this type of event I
2637
01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:48,730
would have been shocked if I was told
2639
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:51,490
that the CAA in UK would obstruct an
2641
01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:52,930
investigation or the CAA told me that
2643
01:02:51,490 --> 01:02:55,210
what I had seen was something entirely
2645
01:02:52,930 --> 01:02:56,800
different but it seems that pilots in
2647
01:02:55,210 --> 01:03:03,400
America are used to this sort of thing
2649
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:05,410
here I returned home from Guernsey to
2651
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,260
find a DVD sent to me from Salida
2653
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:10,510
Colorado listen carefully to the
2655
01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:21,579
six-year-old girl who points out a UFO
2657
01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:23,770
to her dad I'm not sure what the sounds
2659
01:03:21,579 --> 01:03:27,070
are but the object reminds me of what
2661
01:03:23,770 --> 01:03:28,450
rain is past news described seen it
2663
01:03:27,070 --> 01:03:31,390
moved over that part of sky there
2665
01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:34,300
probably moved five hundred it probably
2667
01:03:31,390 --> 01:03:36,900
moved 100 miles in a matter of a second
2669
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:36,900
or two
2671
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:49,770
you see that now so big he gone they say
2673
01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:50,830
but you can't think I can't see the
2675
01:03:49,770 --> 01:04:07,929
disease
2677
01:03:50,830 --> 01:04:07,929
[Music]
2679
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:17,610
good morning my neck my name is Josh
2681
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:23,190
Homme de Burgh I am a retired Air Force
2683
01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:27,530
captain during Air France flight 35 what
2685
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:32,430
we do from these to London on 28 January
2687
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:35,850
1994 I observed with my crew a UFO in
2689
01:04:32,430 --> 01:04:39,990
broad daylight near Paris and it looked
2691
01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:44,370
like this with a bank angle of 45
2693
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:48,980
degrees it seemed to be a huge flying
2695
01:04:44,370 --> 01:04:55,710
disc it stabilized and stopped moving
2697
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:58,740
but it was about 1,000 feet wide the
2699
01:04:55,710 --> 01:05:01,470
most incredible expected is that it
2701
01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:04,460
became transparent and disappeared in
2703
01:05:01,470 --> 01:05:08,760
about 10 to 20 seconds
2705
01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:12,180
my co-pilot chef Jared and I quickly
2707
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:15,360
realized that what we were seeing did
2709
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:18,210
not resemble anything known to us and we
2711
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:25,410
reported our sighting to Russ traffic
2713
01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:28,110
control there is a crew of three percent
2715
01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:30,630
plus by the correlation at the same time
2717
01:05:28,110 --> 01:05:32,430
not the same place at the same time and
2719
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:37,100
that means that we have had something
2721
01:05:32,430 --> 01:05:37,100
real over price one day huge thing
2723
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:43,080
good evening last week several people in
2725
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:46,020
Stephenville Texas a small rural town of
2727
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:48,240
about 15,000 70 miles southwest of Fort
2729
01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:51,180
Worth witnessed what many are calling a
2731
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,590
UFO James Fox I know you've been probing
2733
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:54,150
this for a long time we've never got an
2735
01:05:52,590 --> 01:05:56,760
answer to this why do you think the Air
2737
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:58,380
Force doesn't want this out well I mean
2739
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,270
what are they going to say we don't know
2741
01:05:58,380 --> 01:06:02,280
what's flying around in our airspace
2743
01:06:00,270 --> 01:06:04,680
with it why can't why can't they say
2745
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,300
that I think that possibly could I wish
2747
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,680
they would and if the Air Force is
2749
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:09,830
listening tonight why don't you tell us
2751
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,830
the truth
2753
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:23,970
well I came in on Tuesday night a week
2755
01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:27,180
and a half ago started down driveway and
2757
01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:29,730
I looked back here to the southwest just
2759
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:32,250
past the windmill so I'd say maybe five
2761
01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:34,560
miles away there was a real bright light
2763
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:37,620
came on it is almost as bright as like a
2765
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:39,570
welding arc one of the guys that was at
2767
01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:41,670
my house that night called up and said
2769
01:06:39,570 --> 01:06:43,770
he wasn't coming back to my house until
2771
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:45,540
we got armed guards and I said why is
2773
01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:48,000
that he said well there was a UFO flew
2775
01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:53,540
over your house Tuesday night I said I
2777
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:57,480
saw it I was so distracted by what I saw
2779
01:06:53,540 --> 01:06:59,430
that you could have had you could had a
2781
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,900
train go in front of me and I would
2783
01:06:59,430 --> 01:07:02,880
probably hurt it because I was so
2785
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:04,830
focused on these lights but I do not
2787
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:09,110
remember hearing any noise at all to it
2789
01:07:04,830 --> 01:07:09,110
how would you describe the acceleration
2791
01:07:09,530 --> 01:07:15,720
probably the the speed of light and I
2793
01:07:13,460 --> 01:07:19,050
tried keeping that with my binoculars I
2795
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:23,460
couldn't this case so far qualifies for
2797
01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:25,950
that 5% lack of sound the speed of the
2799
01:07:23,460 --> 01:07:27,780
object and apparently the military's
2801
01:07:25,950 --> 01:07:30,330
interest we're two Jets coming from that
2803
01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:32,010
direction this way and I did hear the
2805
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:35,040
Jets you know we're used to seeing
2807
01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:37,260
military aircraft in our skies here in
2809
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,910
this area we're used to seeing you know
2811
01:07:37,260 --> 01:07:40,680
the helicopters and the fighter jets and
2813
01:07:38,910 --> 01:07:42,600
the c-130s and I mean we know what those
2815
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,280
look like by the way so when it comes to
2817
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:48,870
military aircraft I am a trained
2819
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:51,900
observer so well that's opposed whatever
2821
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:54,120
that baits are why don't we take another
2823
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:56,790
break here we're visiting with James Fox
2825
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:59,220
filmmaker in in town doing research on
2827
01:07:56,790 --> 01:08:00,660
the the UFOs and interviews we'll take a
2829
01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:03,120
break we're back right after this
2831
01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:05,910
good evening everyone welcome to Dublin
2833
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,600
in Dublin the whole town showed up to
2835
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:09,640
discuss this sighting
2837
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,020
my name is Steve Hudgens I'm senior
2839
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,700
field investigator for MUFON
2841
01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:14,860
we're down here to investigate this
2843
01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:16,330
extraordinary event it was going so fast
2845
01:08:14,860 --> 01:08:18,280
and didn't make any noise
2847
01:08:16,330 --> 01:08:20,290
that light seemed to be streaming and
2849
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,030
breaking around it then ten minutes
2851
01:08:20,290 --> 01:08:23,799
later it came back by and that's when it
2853
01:08:22,030 --> 01:08:26,530
had the two military jets chasing it
2855
01:08:23,799 --> 01:08:28,960
I've been a witness to this and give you
2857
01:08:26,530 --> 01:08:30,819
all the information I can you don't want
2859
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,710
to come forward and say anything because
2861
01:08:30,819 --> 01:08:34,990
they'll say oh they're an idiot because
2863
01:08:32,710 --> 01:08:35,589
I've thought that before until I saw
2865
01:08:34,990 --> 01:08:37,600
this
2867
01:08:35,589 --> 01:08:40,150
I guarantee the jet whoever was flying
2869
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,900
the jets they had a visual on it it was
2871
01:08:40,150 --> 01:08:43,420
incredible
2873
01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:44,980
I listened to many witnesses and then
2875
01:08:43,420 --> 01:08:47,200
went to the editors of the local paper
2877
01:08:44,980 --> 01:08:48,910
for this story first broke lines I mean
2879
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,400
these are all headlines Angela Joyner
2881
01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:54,040
saw me on CNN the night before and
2883
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:57,730
assumed I had all the answers
2885
01:08:54,040 --> 01:09:01,390
major Carl Lewis at Carswell I've talked
2887
01:08:57,730 --> 01:09:04,510
to him a lot and he said something of
2889
01:09:01,390 --> 01:09:07,690
this size would leave a sonic footprint
2891
01:09:04,510 --> 01:09:11,890
much like what we know as a tornado path
2893
01:09:07,690 --> 01:09:15,580
it would just demolish things on the
2895
01:09:11,890 --> 01:09:23,650
ground why why don't we see that I have
2897
01:09:15,580 --> 01:09:27,040
no idea Angela and local radio station
2899
01:09:23,650 --> 01:09:29,680
mandatory FM introduced me to Ricky saw
2901
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,690
Rose we had a drink at the local bar
2903
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:34,420
where he agreed to meet with me the
2905
01:09:31,690 --> 01:09:36,220
following day aircraft in the area they
2907
01:09:34,420 --> 01:09:38,470
wouldn't normally be flying they told me
2909
01:09:36,220 --> 01:09:40,160
that Ricky had seen a lot more than
2911
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:43,300
lights in the sky
2913
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:45,740
that we called that don't you know I
2915
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:47,570
used to thank the people that saw this
2917
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:50,510
and came on camera and said this house
2919
01:09:47,570 --> 01:09:53,570
stuff I thought man these guys need some
2921
01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:56,570
help you know but it happened to me and
2923
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:59,420
I can't change that I had a hard time
2925
01:09:56,570 --> 01:10:00,590
dealing with it mother she looked at all
2927
01:09:59,420 --> 01:10:03,080
the way that direction you didn't see me
2929
01:10:00,590 --> 01:10:05,630
looking up Ricky said he could not see
2931
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,220
the edge of the craft in any direction
2933
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:08,720
you couldn't see the edge of it couldn't
2935
01:10:07,220 --> 01:10:09,830
say they're there but I didn't know this
2937
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,290
it's bigger
2939
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:16,160
you killed landed an airplane on that I
2941
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:19,220
boy God can grab my story nothing no
2943
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:21,770
sound no one was hovering nothing when
2945
01:10:19,220 --> 01:10:24,680
it moved from left to right and nothing
2947
01:10:21,770 --> 01:10:26,930
when it took off and holding his rifle
2949
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,900
and sometimes actually looking through
2951
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:31,670
his scope Ricky stood under the craft
2953
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,410
for about three minutes
2955
01:10:31,670 --> 01:10:37,580
oh if you've been in that situation but
2957
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:40,520
no I've been very few times in my life
2959
01:10:37,580 --> 01:10:42,890
but I had to slow my mind down to
2961
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,480
actually think about what to do with the
2963
01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:47,990
information that I was receiving for the
2965
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:51,550
first time and that's what I did I
2967
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:56,780
studied it you know I seen no nuts bolts
2969
01:10:51,550 --> 01:11:00,950
rivets seams no welds none of this it
2971
01:10:56,780 --> 01:11:05,070
looked like a piece of sheet metal you
2973
01:11:00,950 --> 01:11:07,140
know it wasn't shiny it was a dull
2975
01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:11,300
don't know what you call it matte finish
2977
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:14,610
me this is what I had a hard time with
2979
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:18,210
was if something wants to leave in my
2981
01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:21,630
mind it should give it up and go like an
2983
01:11:18,210 --> 01:11:25,050
airplane would this did not do that this
2985
01:11:21,630 --> 01:11:28,290
day completely flapped and it went at a
2987
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:30,840
45 degree angle or what and it took off
2989
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:32,310
is such a high rate of speed that no one
2991
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,800
described it as if I would have blinked
2993
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:40,170
I would have thought it just disappear
2995
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:42,390
on January 21st 2008 Robert Powell and
2997
01:11:40,170 --> 01:11:46,230
Glen Schultz received radar data from
2999
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:50,670
the FAA this image was created directly
3001
01:11:46,230 --> 01:11:52,740
from that data each black dot and there
3003
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:54,810
were over a hundred and forty represent
3005
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:57,390
radar confirmation of an unknown object
3007
01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:59,040
whose flight path is seen heading
3009
01:11:57,390 --> 01:12:02,110
towards Crawford ranch
3011
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:04,599
[Music]
3013
01:12:02,110 --> 01:12:08,320
I just want to know what it is you know
3015
01:12:04,599 --> 01:12:11,639
why why was it here what was it
3017
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:14,139
is it ours you know I kind of think
3019
01:12:11,639 --> 01:12:16,179
although the military initially denied
3021
01:12:14,139 --> 01:12:18,940
being in the area the official
3023
01:12:16,179 --> 01:12:22,989
explanation from the Air Force is now a
3025
01:12:18,940 --> 01:12:25,869
flight of f-16s after each witness I
3027
01:12:22,989 --> 01:12:28,210
meet I find it increasingly difficult to
3029
01:12:25,869 --> 01:12:30,760
accept the military's response I've
3031
01:12:28,210 --> 01:12:33,940
actually stepped back and tried to be
3033
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:36,880
the big picture I would like to find out
3035
01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:40,440
what it is then if people believe me
3037
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,440
okay if they don't that's okay too
3039
01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:46,690
t-minus 15 seconds and counting
3041
01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:48,849
mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper was the
3043
01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:52,630
last American astronaut to go up in
3045
01:12:48,849 --> 01:12:58,000
space alone he orbited the planet 22
3047
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:58,599
times while stationed at Edwards Air
3049
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,719
Force Base
3051
01:12:58,599 --> 01:13:04,679
in the early 1950s Cooper was part of an
3053
01:13:01,719 --> 01:13:07,540
event that has never been explained I
3055
01:13:04,679 --> 01:13:10,110
was having some the cameraman found the
3057
01:13:07,540 --> 01:13:12,639
installation of a precision landing
3059
01:13:10,110 --> 01:13:15,909
facility we were putting him out into
3061
01:13:12,639 --> 01:13:18,130
the dry lake and the saucer flew right
3063
01:13:15,909 --> 01:13:20,550
over him and put down three little gear
3065
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:23,170
and landing out on the dry lake bed
3067
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:26,180
[Music]
3069
01:13:23,170 --> 01:13:29,630
and they went out pick up their cameras
3071
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:31,970
and moved on out partying filming and he
3073
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:34,850
left it off put the gear back in the
3075
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:38,630
well climbed out a very high rate of
3077
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:40,520
speed disappearing the time he got back
3079
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:42,350
with the developed film I was on the
3081
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:45,470
higher and higher and higher level
3083
01:13:42,350 --> 01:13:48,980
officer coffees gonna be anyway the
3085
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:51,080
colonel telling me do you know when the
3087
01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:52,880
film arrived at my desk to put it in the
3089
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:55,040
carrier pouch there would be occurred
3091
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:58,340
there at my office by that time already
3093
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,320
and they'd arranged for him to fly in
3095
01:13:58,340 --> 01:14:04,720
our base airplane back to Washington
3097
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:07,580
with these films and did not run prints
3099
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:10,580
etc etcetera etcetera do you watch the
3101
01:14:07,580 --> 01:14:12,500
tool we didn't have a chance to run it I
3103
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:15,320
had a chance to hold it up to the wind
3105
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:17,270
and look at it there's certainly good
3107
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,920
found did you would keep in touch with
3109
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:20,890
anybody buddy to discuss how would I
3111
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,540
keep in touch with anybody about it
3113
01:14:20,890 --> 01:14:25,040
there's no way within the military or
3115
01:14:23,540 --> 01:14:27,320
within the government of keeping track
3117
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:29,120
or something that is classified
3119
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:32,060
unless you're directly involved in it
3121
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:34,190
and I was not this meeting was a turning
3123
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:36,950
point for my father Gordon Cooper was an
3125
01:14:34,190 --> 01:14:39,740
icon of his generation and my father was
3127
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:41,300
amazed by his story at that point in
3129
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:44,300
time there are no doubt in my mind that
3131
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:54,470
this vehicle was made at some other
3133
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:57,920
place than here on earth yeah well Buck
3135
01:14:54,470 --> 01:15:00,140
Rogers and Flash Gordon coming her after
3137
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:03,760
the film was sent to Washington it was
3139
01:15:00,140 --> 01:15:03,760
never seen or heard of again
3141
01:15:08,090 --> 01:15:12,710
Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell was
3143
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:15,110
the sixth man to walk on the moon
3145
01:15:12,710 --> 01:15:16,910
he has met with people in military and
3147
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:18,950
government positions from several
3149
01:15:16,910 --> 01:15:22,090
countries who have privately shared with
3151
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:26,360
him information about UFOs seem to be
3153
01:15:22,090 --> 01:15:29,660
well documented events that represent
3155
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:32,030
flying craft that do not match anything
3157
01:15:29,660 --> 01:15:36,050
we have in an Earthbound arsenal
3159
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:39,500
I felt that dr. Mitchell would know the
3161
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:41,960
reasons for secrecy why I was told I
3163
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:44,090
can't answer that question that I think
3165
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:48,530
it's a long past time to open this up to
3167
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:52,219
the public but the best answer is
3169
01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:54,940
probably because they don't know what to
3171
01:15:52,219 --> 01:15:54,940
do about it in here
3173
01:15:56,380 --> 01:16:00,980
my father and I caught up with President
3175
01:15:59,030 --> 01:16:03,550
Carter at a book signing in San
3177
01:16:00,980 --> 01:16:08,090
Francisco whatever you are following
3179
01:16:03,550 --> 01:16:09,530
what happened to the UFO issue I don't
3181
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:10,730
really know what happened to it I saw
3183
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:11,480
one but I don't know what just
3185
01:16:10,730 --> 01:16:13,580
disappeared
3187
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:15,530
did you ask when you a president with
3189
01:16:13,580 --> 01:16:17,330
yes but there's a lot of different
3191
01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:19,719
answers if nobody does has proof of
3193
01:16:17,330 --> 01:16:19,719
anything
3195
01:16:22,829 --> 01:16:29,579
the question of secrecy has puzzled me
3197
01:16:25,530 --> 01:16:32,309
for years I asked the panelists in DC to
3199
01:16:29,579 --> 01:16:33,960
offer possible explanations some of the
3201
01:16:32,309 --> 01:16:37,429
questions that man on the street have
3203
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:41,699
and whoever wants to address this can is
3205
01:16:37,429 --> 01:16:44,369
why in your opinion would any government
3207
01:16:41,699 --> 01:16:46,500
hide this from the people are not
3209
01:16:44,369 --> 01:16:49,349
disclosed as types of information of
3211
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:53,130
what's going on when there are witnesses
3213
01:16:49,349 --> 01:16:56,369
or sightings coming in they are varied
3215
01:16:53,130 --> 01:16:57,750
elected to do to pick up the issue to
3217
01:16:56,369 --> 01:16:59,190
investigate because they have no
3219
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:59,940
structure and you don't know how to
3221
01:16:59,190 --> 01:17:02,040
handle it
3223
01:16:59,940 --> 01:17:04,920
since it tsunami NASA yo-dee-hey des
3225
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:07,619
conocido que no tenia flick a co ESO
3227
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:12,210
podría - MA - ah si sistema
3229
01:17:07,619 --> 01:17:13,920
the conservación de poder I suspect or
3231
01:17:12,210 --> 01:17:15,750
at least five agencies in the US
3233
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:19,099
government that have investigative
3235
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:22,050
capability and do maintain files on UFOs
3237
01:17:19,099 --> 01:17:24,510
public opinion I think is asking for
3239
01:17:22,050 --> 01:17:27,000
information it is ready to believe that
3241
01:17:24,510 --> 01:17:29,670
there is something serious if we can
3243
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:32,809
convince the government it could change
3245
01:17:29,670 --> 01:17:36,090
[Applause]
3247
01:17:32,809 --> 01:17:38,340
good morning ladies and gentlemen my
3249
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:41,489
name is jean-claude rim and I am an
3251
01:17:38,340 --> 01:17:43,590
astronomer working for the French
3253
01:17:41,489 --> 01:17:49,079
Sante Nacional de la chef scientific
3255
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:51,929
from 1963 to 1998 I contributed to the
3257
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:55,040
French committee report a year military
3259
01:17:51,929 --> 01:17:58,800
study on UFOs and national security
3261
01:17:55,040 --> 01:18:02,250
released in 1999 camara translates as
3263
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:04,369
committee for in-depth studies it was in
3265
01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:07,020
essence a high-level think-tank
3267
01:18:04,369 --> 01:18:09,449
committee included such members as
3269
01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:10,590
four-star general Bernard NOLA who was
3271
01:18:09,449 --> 01:18:12,840
the former commander of the french
3273
01:18:10,590 --> 01:18:14,969
tactical air force and military
3275
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:18,300
counselor to the prime minister
3277
01:18:14,969 --> 01:18:19,860
as well as Andre LeBeau former president
3279
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:22,170
of the National Center for Space Studies
3281
01:18:19,860 --> 01:18:24,900
and attorney-at-law
3283
01:18:22,170 --> 01:18:27,929
Michele Algar director of the kinetic
3285
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:30,989
group the kinetic group published its
3287
01:18:27,929 --> 01:18:33,449
findings in an historical 90 page report
3289
01:18:30,989 --> 01:18:37,380
titled UFOs and defense
3291
01:18:33,449 --> 01:18:39,719
what should we prepare for the formation
3293
01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:42,619
of the kinetic group was initiated by
3295
01:18:39,719 --> 01:18:45,630
French Air Force general Dennis Letty
3297
01:18:42,619 --> 01:18:48,539
kinetic concluded that about 5% of the
3299
01:18:45,630 --> 01:18:50,519
cases studied were inexplicable and that
3301
01:18:48,539 --> 01:18:51,420
the best explanation was what the
3303
01:18:50,519 --> 01:18:55,130
authors called
3305
01:18:51,420 --> 01:18:57,500
the extra-terrestrial hypothesis
3307
01:18:55,130 --> 01:18:59,960
with investigative journalist Lesley
3309
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:03,770
Kane I flew to France to meet general
3311
01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:06,980
Leni we met the general at his home on
3313
01:19:03,770 --> 01:19:09,200
the outskirts of Paris we went over some
3315
01:19:06,980 --> 01:19:11,030
of the more puzzling encounters that led
3317
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:15,290
the group to their conclusions and he
3319
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:19,130
saw the disc every pilot sightings
3321
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:21,560
confirmed by radar very quickly I would
3323
01:19:19,130 --> 01:19:23,780
have assigned in cases involving soil
3325
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:26,450
and plant analysis from landing sites
3327
01:19:23,780 --> 01:19:30,020
I had looked into one of these cases
3329
01:19:26,450 --> 01:19:32,600
myself farmer Renato Nicolai from
3331
01:19:30,020 --> 01:19:34,970
TransAm Provence reported that a
3333
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:38,890
disc-shaped object landed in his garden
3335
01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:41,810
in the late afternoon the farmer said de
3337
01:19:38,890 --> 01:19:44,120
Campos into us yet Ruta throat when he
3339
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:46,690
told his wife she assumed he had heat
3341
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:49,400
stroke and had hallucinate
3343
01:19:46,690 --> 01:19:51,380
however scientific analysis of the
3345
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,570
landing site showed high levels of
3347
01:19:51,380 --> 01:19:56,240
radiation and when I visited the site
3349
01:19:53,570 --> 01:19:58,690
back in 1999 almost 20 years later
3351
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:04,580
nothing had grown in that spot
3353
01:19:58,690 --> 01:20:07,100
kukuku book would be swap AC the town of
3355
01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:09,080
Charles on Provence label the farmer a
3357
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:12,260
flying saucer fanatic
3359
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:16,520
yo papa d dkc2 no suki pabulum Turkish
3361
01:20:12,260 --> 01:20:18,890
city if you got Kinshasa you say
3363
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,200
daddy but and what we're looking at I
3365
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:22,760
mean what is this for this is photo
3367
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:26,360
general Letty also shared with us some
3369
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:28,070
impressive photographic cases not one of
3371
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:30,230
these was featured on the cover of the
3373
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:31,520
committee report so his mapping is it
3375
01:20:30,230 --> 01:20:33,950
not happening the ground a pee bag on
3377
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,690
the ground and developing a mapping
3379
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:38,200
claim from the government of Costa Rica
3381
01:20:35,690 --> 01:20:41,480
was flying at 10,000 feet
3383
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,790
it had a high-resolution camera running
3385
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:48,050
automatically under the fuselage taking
3387
01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:57,340
a picture every 17 seconds on one of the
3389
01:20:48,050 --> 01:21:00,020
frames this object was captured after
3391
01:20:57,340 --> 01:21:02,210
careful analysis by several scientists
3393
01:21:00,020 --> 01:21:04,430
including Richard Haines and Jacques
3395
01:21:02,210 --> 01:21:06,920
Vallee it was determined that the object
3397
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:11,360
captured on film was a real
3399
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:12,620
three-dimensional airborne object so do
3401
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,900
you think if it was announced that
3403
01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:16,280
people would panic if the government's
3405
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:20,110
announced well there are the
3407
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,110
unidentified objects are real ah
3409
01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:29,990
I cannot say yes but I cannot say no I
3411
01:21:27,730 --> 01:21:31,930
asked the general to explain the
3413
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:35,210
committee reports extra-terrestrial
3415
01:21:31,930 --> 01:21:38,750
hypothesis for us we think that the best
3417
01:21:35,210 --> 01:21:41,230
explanation is that object came from
3419
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:41,230
outside
3421
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:48,820
we don't say they come from outside but
3423
01:21:45,860 --> 01:21:53,730
the best explanation
3425
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:53,730
is the impetus
3427
01:21:55,790 --> 01:22:02,870
in 2007 an investigative branch of CNES
3429
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:04,790
the French equivalent of NASA made
3431
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:08,560
sixteen hundred sightings spanning five
3433
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:08,560
decades available to the public
3435
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:19,250
I asked CNES for an interview I want to
3437
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:23,450
know who allowed the release of these
3439
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:27,010
files and why silver president national
3441
01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:30,890
debt especial canto consider decided
3443
01:22:27,010 --> 01:22:34,970
Ramadan would lock seated upon the
3445
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:37,940
reorganize a donee Commission the
3447
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:41,600
travail a the Vasant transparent is a
3449
01:22:37,940 --> 01:22:43,840
video public a the media very we
3451
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:47,660
reviewed several extraordinary cases
3453
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:50,830
some even involved landings I asked him
3455
01:22:47,660 --> 01:22:53,060
what his personal beliefs were Chukotka
3457
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:56,360
problem on to the equivalent of youtube
3459
01:22:53,060 --> 01:22:58,010
potato ado to a stock tank a some
3461
01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:00,950
pretend a DVD the exact estimate
3463
01:22:58,010 --> 01:23:02,540
daughter car from problemo the is
3465
01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:04,480
observers your natural collage from
3467
01:23:02,540 --> 01:23:07,280
going to be huge
3469
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:12,010
it's a say gold can we swap take home
3471
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:15,130
mister like Hong Kong for it hey big job
3473
01:23:12,010 --> 01:23:15,130
good job
3475
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:26,430
[Music]
3477
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:28,380
I wanted to know how releasing this
3479
01:23:26,430 --> 01:23:35,900
information might have affected the
3481
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:39,270
people of France we took to the streets
3483
01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:42,840
did you follow up me required to tweak
3485
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:46,260
le le fou no sir no sir false key so
3487
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:48,720
posted when I've loved it the data that
3489
01:23:46,260 --> 01:23:50,340
you see a co-receptor people made the
3491
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:52,130
fall sick would have you out of me a
3493
01:23:50,340 --> 01:24:01,709
knock in your neck off
3495
01:23:52,130 --> 01:24:01,709
[Music]
3497
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:08,870
does he make you scared yeah I'm scared
3499
01:24:07,580 --> 01:24:11,120
too that they're gonna come and they're
3501
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:13,760
gonna be hostile and they're gonna try
3503
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,440
and they can they're gonna hurt us or do
3505
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,910
something to the world do you think
3507
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,680
governments know more than what they're
3509
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:23,690
telling us apart from American
3511
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:29,440
government yeah sqb because up
3513
01:24:23,690 --> 01:24:29,440
over nail you see papa
3515
01:24:40,820 --> 01:24:43,420
um
3517
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:49,750
so what do you do do you think that the
3519
01:24:46,990 --> 01:24:52,030
British government the mo D is preparing
3521
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:53,860
for any type of disclosure do you think
3523
01:24:52,030 --> 01:24:56,980
it's just how's it going to happen or is
3525
01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:59,500
it it's not gonna be as I say disclosure
3527
01:24:56,980 --> 01:25:01,510
with a big D we're gonna be disclosure
3529
01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:05,350
with a small D in other words we will be
3531
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:08,020
releasing the files but in May 2008 the
3533
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:10,480
British government began the process of
3535
01:25:08,020 --> 01:25:15,040
releasing its entire archive of UFO
3537
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:16,990
FILES from 1991 through to 1994 I was
3539
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:19,720
desk officer responsible for these
3541
01:25:16,990 --> 01:25:22,390
investigations these cases included
3543
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:25,000
incidents where reliable witnesses such
3545
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:27,790
as police officers and pilots reported
3547
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:30,310
structured craft performing speeds and
3549
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:32,140
maneuvers significantly in excess of
3551
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:36,550
anything that they'd seen military jet
3553
01:25:32,140 --> 01:25:38,470
aircraft perform in July of 2009 the
3555
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:41,020
Ministry of Defence released this
3557
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:47,700
document it's a briefing regarding the
3559
01:25:41,020 --> 01:25:51,130
mass sighting over England in 1993 in
3561
01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:53,500
summary it states there would seem to be
3563
01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:55,810
some evidence on this occasion that an
3565
01:25:53,500 --> 01:26:00,690
unidentified object or objects of
3567
01:25:55,810 --> 01:26:00,690
unknown origin was operating over the UK
3569
01:26:02,679 --> 01:26:07,400
to the skeptics who say there's no
3571
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,929
evidence I would say this the Ministry
3573
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:12,349
of Defense in the United Kingdom has
3575
01:26:08,929 --> 01:26:14,360
received 10,000 UFO reports since 1950
3577
01:26:12,349 --> 01:26:16,400
not just lights in the sky but
3579
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:18,559
structured craft sometimes tracked on
3581
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:21,469
radar but don't take my word for it all
3583
01:26:18,559 --> 01:26:23,329
this can be viewed at the National
3585
01:26:21,469 --> 01:26:26,420
Archives on the Ministry of Defence
3587
01:26:23,329 --> 01:26:30,289
website so the evidence is right out
3589
01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:31,729
there the phenomenon has not changed a
3591
01:26:30,289 --> 01:26:34,550
great deal has not changed materially
3593
01:26:31,729 --> 01:26:36,260
since 1947 and I'm quite sure that
3595
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:38,269
neither we nor the Russians had anything
3597
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:42,340
like the capabilities demonstrated by
3599
01:26:38,269 --> 01:26:45,320
the UFOs in 47 I don't think we have now
3601
01:26:42,340 --> 01:26:48,229
thousands of witnesses no credible
3603
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:52,460
witnesses which can confirm that indeed
3605
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:57,099
this au activities which cannot be
3607
01:26:52,460 --> 01:26:57,099
related to terrestrial activities
3609
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:03,470
they're not aerodynamic there's
3611
01:27:01,340 --> 01:27:06,410
something else and a suspicion is that
3613
01:27:03,470 --> 01:27:07,550
their anti-gravity or some kind of
3615
01:27:06,410 --> 01:27:10,640
electromagnetic
3617
01:27:07,550 --> 01:27:12,080
Griffi dick drive to them which would
3619
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,150
explain a lot of things that goes on
3621
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:20,900
including the electromagnetic effects on
3623
01:27:14,150 --> 01:27:23,180
vehicles and so forth furthermore it is
3625
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:25,700
not customary for countries to test
3627
01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:28,400
their secret weapons or secret devices
3629
01:27:25,700 --> 01:27:31,280
in 133 different countries all over the
3631
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:33,260
place and also from a moral standpoint I
3633
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,120
doubt very much that we would have sent
3635
01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:37,730
astronauts to the moon using antiquated
3637
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:43,040
chemical fuels if we had a way of doing
3639
01:27:37,730 --> 01:27:44,930
it much more efficiently if we have then
3641
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,460
it's criminal that's being kept strictly
3643
01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:48,440
in military hands because this would
3645
01:27:46,460 --> 01:27:50,620
solve all of our energy problems in the
3647
01:27:48,440 --> 01:27:50,620
world
3649
01:27:54,730 --> 01:27:59,650
[Music]
3651
01:27:56,710 --> 01:28:02,590
so I've given up the whole idea that it
3653
01:27:59,650 --> 01:28:04,500
could possibly be from any place on
3655
01:28:02,590 --> 01:28:08,920
earth
3657
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:12,970
why don't tell the public what's going
3659
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:15,910
on to accept that some object over fly
3661
01:28:12,970 --> 01:28:22,090
and the country being unable to clear
3663
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:23,350
the sky of the you cannot admit it do
3665
01:28:22,090 --> 01:28:24,630
you think it's possible there was from
3667
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:28,949
another world
3669
01:28:24,630 --> 01:28:31,800
I my Air Force training says I can't
3671
01:28:28,949 --> 01:28:33,389
think that way okay a story this big
3673
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,560
there's no way it could be kept secret
3675
01:28:33,389 --> 01:28:37,050
from the public what do you say to
3677
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,670
someone like that it says that well
3679
01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:45,090
somebody's kept a pretty cigarette for
3681
01:28:38,670 --> 01:28:46,650
quite a while I don't think our country
3683
01:28:45,090 --> 01:28:50,000
needs to reopen its official
3685
01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:52,889
investigation that it shut down in 1969
3687
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:55,380
the United States government can no
3689
01:28:52,889 --> 01:28:58,380
longer shun an international dialogue
3691
01:28:55,380 --> 01:29:00,300
about this phenomena and we invite the
3693
01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:02,850
government to work in cooperation with
3695
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:07,050
countries as represented on both sides
3697
01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:09,090
of me here today this position is
3699
01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:14,010
supported by President Clinton's former
3701
01:29:09,090 --> 01:29:16,679
chief of staff John Podesta Podesta also
3703
01:29:14,010 --> 01:29:19,380
an adviser to President Obama spoke at a
3705
01:29:16,679 --> 01:29:21,659
2002 press conference organized by the
3707
01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:24,739
Coalition for freedom of information I
3709
01:29:21,659 --> 01:29:26,969
think it's time to open the books on
3711
01:29:24,739 --> 01:29:29,550
questions that have remained in the dark
3713
01:29:26,969 --> 01:29:34,080
under and the question of government
3715
01:29:29,550 --> 01:29:36,659
investigations of UFOs it's time to find
3717
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:39,120
out what what the truth really is that's
3719
01:29:36,659 --> 01:29:41,370
out there we ought to do it really
3721
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,409
because it's right we ought to do it
3723
01:29:41,370 --> 01:29:45,989
because the American people quite
3725
01:29:43,409 --> 01:29:49,760
frankly can handle the truth and we
3727
01:29:45,989 --> 01:29:52,500
ought to do it because it's the law
3729
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,510
bring up these witnesses from the
3731
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:57,630
airports and the National Aeronautics
3733
01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:59,520
and Space Agency have them interrogated
3735
01:29:57,630 --> 01:30:02,100
by members of the House or Senate
3737
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:04,679
committee but to put their records on
3739
01:30:02,100 --> 01:30:07,440
the line and let the people who have
3741
01:30:04,679 --> 01:30:10,280
allegedly seen unidentified flying
3743
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:11,650
objects come and testify
3745
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,390
[Music]
3747
01:30:11,650 --> 01:30:17,120
there was one last thing as Jack Patton
3749
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:20,660
a the man who helped release Frances UFO
3751
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:23,210
FILES what advice he would give to the
3753
01:30:20,660 --> 01:30:25,190
American government motion Padilla
3755
01:30:23,210 --> 01:30:29,330
Vermont Kinsella do yoga on the money
3757
01:30:25,190 --> 01:30:33,170
cash for chili hey Mabel Joe poscar San
3759
01:30:29,330 --> 01:30:35,780
Ramon dfq Jacques pokey for a whopper
3761
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deli diffusions is a formation policy to
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measure pad no permit Dooney the Conseil
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garna mejia may be on Rosalia per se
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gear low in Osama sido Alejandra knows
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innocence Odelle arrazi I've met with
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01:30:48,770 --> 01:30:53,870
UFO witnesses from around the world
3773
01:30:50,890 --> 01:30:57,050
military officers politicians and
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01:30:53,870 --> 01:31:00,020
everyday people like you and me and he
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01:30:57,050 --> 01:31:01,910
says its target over here they come
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forward with nothing to gain and
3781
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everything to lose because they want
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answers across this valley not the same
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old explanations of swamp gas military
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flares weather balloons or misidentified
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aircraft but the truth there's no reason
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for me not to say what I saw I had
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nothing hot I have nothing to gain maybe
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01:31:21,860 --> 01:31:26,090
somebody involved with the US government
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01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:28,760
knows the origin of these crafts but I
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01:31:26,090 --> 01:31:31,280
don't all of a sudden 10 degrees to my
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right they're ours then somebody has
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01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:37,730
been hiding revolutionary technology for
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over 50 years I've never seen anything
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01:31:37,730 --> 01:31:45,350
go so fast in my life as that they would
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yeah if any of them are not man-made
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then we're not alone
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you
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you
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