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HIGH PITCHED NOTE
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The Abu Grahib pictures
raised the question,
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where were the doctors
while this was going on?
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Either they directly
witnessed the abuse
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or they witnessed the
consequences of it.
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Why hadn't they protested?
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Here doctors
weren't complicit.
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They were a centrepiece
of torture.
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They were enablers,
they were facilitators,
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they were authorizers.
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From Hippocrates to
now, the standard for
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the healing professions
has been simple.
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That the obligation
is first and foremost
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to the patient's
interest and well being.
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Torture shatters that covenant.
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How have American physicians and
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psychologists come to
sanction and implement
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torture in our military prisons?
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And why haven't they
been held accountable
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for their actions?
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FILM REEL ROLLING
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On behalf of the Army
of the United States,
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I accept your surrender.
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You, your officers, and men will
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be given treatment in
accordance with the principles
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of the Geneva Convention.
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PIANO
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Sickened by the atrocities
of World War Two,
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the United States and
its allies held trials in
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Nuremberg, Germany
to determine who is
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responsible for the heinous
acts that had occurred.
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Doctors were among the
first to be convicted
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and executed for
their war crimes.
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Which included lethal medical
experiments on prisoners.
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The trial of the doctors
lead to more rigorous codes
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for medical care of captives.
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In 1949, the Geneva
Convention also strengthened
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the prohibitions against
using torture to
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get information from
prisoners of war.
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Despite these efforts,
many countries continued
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to torture prisoners of war
for information and propaganda.
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I was in a room that
was so small and I could
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not lie down.
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I was not familiar to
stand up to close my eyes,
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I like to recline.
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The experience
of American POW's
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in Korea lead the United
States to develop a program
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to train soldiers how to
survive torture if captured.
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The program was called SERE.
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At the same time, the CIA
supported secret research
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on how experimental
drugs induced comas
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and methods like sensory
deprivation alter the mind.
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ELECTRICAL BUZZING
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THUMPING
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TELEPHONE RINGING
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SCREAMING
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TELEPHONE RINGING
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The CIA learned from
mind control experiments
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and tortures used by
totalitarian regimes
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that several days of
sleep deprivation is
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a powerful way to break
a prisoner down.
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TELEPHONE RINGING
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My reading is for
most people who've been
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subjected to that, they will
have psychotic like thinking,
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will be very disorganized,
and I think very unreliable
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in terms of what they say.
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And it really is kind
of very harsh and
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very cruel to try and
keep people awake.
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In 1975, a secret CIA
manual of abusive
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interrogation techniques
was discovered and banned.
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But in 1999, some of
these methods surfaced
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during an espionage
case led by the
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Naval Criminal Investigative
Service, or NCIS.
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A psychologist played a key
role in the interrogation
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of a US Naval Officer.
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- Petty Officer King was
a, he's a cryptologist
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who was stationed in
Guam in fall of 1999.
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He had been given a new duty
assignment in the states.
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And before he could
take that new job,
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he had to have a polygraph.
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He took his polygraph
and came up with
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an indeterminate result.
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- Well after they told me I
had failed the polygraph test,
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I heard somebody say spy.
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And from that time on, my life
became a living nightmare.
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- They launched into a
full scale interrogation
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of him in Guam.
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That involved several days of
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sleep deprivation essentially.
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Excessive interrogation
and threats, it was almost
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a full day without sleep.
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Then they let him sleep,
hour or two hours,
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but they would have the
phone ringing constantly.
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So he would never get any
decent amount of sleep.
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I got to the point
where I just gave them
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everything they wanted,
just to try and get
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out of there sir.
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I was an emotional wreck.
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I'm not proud of it.
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- There was tapes of
him, audio tapes,
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that we eventually got
where he's sobbing saying,
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I don't know what you from me,
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just tell me what
you want me to say
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so we can stop this.
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He would say, I don't
understand this.
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I can't take this anymore.
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And he had made
suicidal statements.
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By the time he got back into
the Washington DC area,
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he pleaded for help from a
psychologist or psychiatrist.
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They brought in
NCIS psychologist
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Dr. Michael Gelles to,
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as far as Petty Officer
King knew, to help him.
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- I want to be
able to recall stuff,
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That, according
to the polygraph...
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I have inside me.
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- When a enlisted man is told
by NCIS, who are essentially
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acting as his command, that
the polygraph is infallible,
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he starts to believe it.
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When I look, when I try to think
on this, I can't see it
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and I was wondering if maybe
hypnosis or drugs could help me
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if it's a suppressed memory
or something like that.
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- We saw on the tape when
they finally gave it to us,
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that Dr. Gelles kept
saying, "well you gotta
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give 'em something.
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Otherwise we can't, there's
nothing I can do for you."
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This was Mike Gelles acting
in the role of a mental
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health professional,
but in fact, acting as
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an interrogator or with
an interrogation team,
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against a person who was
medically debilitated.
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Against all medical,
psychological ethics,
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working for his
client, the NCIS.
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Dr. Gelles characterized
himself as,
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I'm not here interrogating
you, I'm just the doctor here.
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I'm just here to help you.
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I'm not one of the
interrogators.
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We later find out that
they actually had evidence
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that showed what he said
could not have happened.
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And they knew it by
the time that the,
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Dr. Gelles was there.
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Within a couple days, he
grabbed a knife and went to
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stab himself with it when
an NCIS officer intervened.
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The positive thing
that came out of it
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was they finally got
representation.
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We were finally able to
get involved in the case.
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The case against Petty
Officer Daniel King
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was dismissed and he
was honourably discharged
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after almost two
years in prison.
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I love my country,
I love my baby.
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I've never betrayed it and
I would never betray it.
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The King case was a forerunner
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of the indefinite
detention and psychological
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tortures that would
be used extensively
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on detainees after 9.11.
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It also foreshadowed programs
established by the CIA
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and Department of Defense.
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In which doctors crossed
over from clinical services
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to detainee interrogations.
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Dr. Michael Gelles continued
as Chief Psychologist
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of the Naval Criminal
Investigative Service.
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After 9.11 he was assigned to
a special Pentagon Task Force
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and consulted on
detainee interrogations
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in Afghanistan,
Guantanamo, and Iraq.
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Tonight we are a country
awakened to danger
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and called to defend freedom.
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Whether we bring our
enemies to justice
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or bring justice to our
enemies, justice will be done.
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APPLAUSE
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EXPLOSION
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Less than three weeks later,
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US forces invaded
Afghanistan in retaliation
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for the September 11th
terrorist attacks
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on the United States.
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In a radical new policy,
the Bush administration
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declared Afghan prisoners
enemy combatants.
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No longer protected by
the Geneva Convention.
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Before 9.11, prisoners
of war were interrogated
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according to the
army field manual
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that followed the
Geneva Convention.
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The new interrogation
methods involved torture.
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We have no alternative,
but to meet the enemy
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where he dwells.
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We must and we will
use every means
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at our disposal to
ensure the freedom
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and security of the
American people.
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In 2001, the CIA had few
agents who were expert
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in legal methods of
interrogating detainees.
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We had no interrogators.
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The closest we came were
security officers who would
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quiz you if your
lie detector test,
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they didn't turn out
quite right, you know?
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Or people would interview
people who wanted to
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come on board.
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- Two psychologists,
contracted by the CIA,
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were among the first to
introduce abusive interrogation
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techniques, doctors James
Mitchell and Bruce Jessen
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were experts in SERE
survival training.
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They adapted the SERE torture
regimen for use on detainees.
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- Dr. Bruce Jessen was
the Chief of Psychology
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of the Air Force's
survival school.
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The psychologists were
there so that if someone
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actually was having a
difficulty, some kind of
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psychological breakdown,
that then we could stop,
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do a timeout, and actually
bring in the psychologist
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so they could talk
people through.
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What we were doing,
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in resistance
to interrogation training,
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it was for the benefit
of our own forces.
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Seeing that these people
actually were the architects
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behind the torture program just
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it made me physically ill.
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DOGS BARKING
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The brutal methods organized by
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psychologists Mitchell and
Jessen for CIA interrogators
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came to be called enhanced
interrogation techniques.
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These techniques were soon
adopted by army interrogators
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at Guantanamo with the
help of a psychiatrist
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and a psychologist.
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From there, they were
exported to Afghanistan
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and Iraqi detention sites.
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The program became so
widespread it was only
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a matter of time before
the world knew that the
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United States was
torturing detainees.
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- As torture became more
and more controversial,
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and the lawyers were more
and more under pressure
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to find a justification
for these methods.
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They turned to the
doctors for an opinion
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on whether they
impose severe pain,
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mental or physical
pain or suffering.
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Which is the legal
definition of torture.
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In 2009,
the special review of the
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enhanced interrogation
program by the CIA
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Office of Inspector
General was declassified
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over the fierce objections
of the intelligence agency.
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Special guidelines from the
CIA Office of Medical Services
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were also declassified.
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The critical role of
doctors in the enhanced
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interrogation program can be
traced through these documents,
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and the memos of the
office of legal counsel.
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The CIA doctors and the
legal counsel lawyers
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described the enhanced
techniques in such detail
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that their instructions
could be the script
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for a training video
for doctors assigned
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to detainee interrogations.
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ELEVATOR
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Captured terrorists
may be subjected
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to a wide range of legally
sanctioned techniques
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designed to psychologically
dislocate the detainee,
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maximize his feelings of
vulnerability and helplessness.
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And reduce or eliminate his
will to resist our efforts
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to obtain critical intelligence.
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CHAINS RATTLING
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FOOTSTEPS
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STAMP
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HEAVY BREATHING
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They turned to the doctors.
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They basically said, we
determine that severe pain
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means it's very intense.
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And of long duration.
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And sometimes are violent.
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Could you tell us
doc, does this method
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meet that threshold?
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And not once, according to
either the legal documents
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or the medical memos,
not once did the doctors
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ever say, "no you
can't do this."
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Appropriate
medical and psychological
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personnel must be on
site during all detainee
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interrogations employing
enhanced techniques.
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The use of each specific
enhanced technique
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must be approved by
headquarters in advance.
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In the
government memos,
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enhanced interrogation
techniques fall roughly
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into three groups.
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Methods that involve
physical assault.
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Those that can induce dangerous
levels of physical stress.
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And those that can
psychologically debilitate
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the prisoner.
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Methods are combined to
increase the pressure.
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This also increases the
severity of the abuse.
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And one of the most
monstrous aspects
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of the office of medical
services memos,
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was the reference to
the Hippocratic Oath.
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It says, remember you
must abide by your
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obligation to do no
harm, it says that.
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- The doctor is responsible for
keeping the detainee alive,
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he checks that the blood
pressure and heart rate
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are not dangerously high.
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And measures the blood
oxygen level with
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this pulse oximeter.
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After prolonged
exposure to cold water,
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he may check the
body temperature
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in case of hypothermia.
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When there are more
than 15 applications
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of the waterboard in
a 24 hour period,
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he has to do careful
medical assessments
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after the later applications.
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In the rare cases, when
a prisoner is difficult
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to resuscitate, the
doctor has to perform
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an emergency tracheotomy.
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Physicians for Human
Rights believes that
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the safety officer fallacy takes
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physicians from being
healers to being
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calibrators of harm.
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They serve as a sort of
gasoline on the fire.
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Because interrogators think
that they can go harder
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because there's a health
professional there.
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That they can push the
detainee closer to the edge
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because there's a
safety net there
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in the form of a health
professional to catch them.
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- The CIA Office of Medical
Services instructs the
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doctor to keep thorough
systematic records.
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In order to best inform
future medical judgements
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and recommendations, it
is important that every
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application of the waterboard
be thoroughly documented.
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How long each application and
the entire procedure lasted.
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How much water was used.
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Realizing that
much splashes off.
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If the naso or
oropharynx was filled,
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what sort of volume was
expelled and how the
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subject looked between
each treatment.
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- So to warp a person,
to warp a professional,
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a doctor for example, into
doing this kind of thing
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really is quite a trick.
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The sad part about
it is it's so easy
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with these group mentalities
and all the kinds of things
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that you can manipulate
people into doing
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against their better instincts.
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For walling,
a flexible false
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wall will be constructed.
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SLAMMING
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The idea is to create a
sound that will make
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the impact seem far worse
than any injury that might
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result from the action.
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The CIA had
special equipment built
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for the enhanced techniques.
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The water board was built
so that the interrogators
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could swing the detainee
upright in an emergency.
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Cramped confinement boxes
came in small and large sizes.
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You have informed us
that you would spend
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at most two hours in this box.
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You have informed us of the
purpose of using this box.
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It's not to interfere with
his senses or his personality,
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but to cause him physical
discomfort that will
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encourage him to disclose
critical information.
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SLAMS
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SLAMS
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We've had a lot of debate
about torture in this
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country and whether
its ever justified,
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I think it's never justified.
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In part, because as we've
seen, that once you start
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down the road of
torture, it never stops
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and it gets worse and
worse and worse.
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PULSE BEEPING
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Keep going.
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Most seriously,
for reasons of physical
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fatigue or psychological
resignation,
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the subject may simply give up.
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Allowing excessive
filling of the airways
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and loss of consciousness.
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An unresponsive subject
should be righted immediately.
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GROANING
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Doctor!
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Today, doctors are essential
to torturing regimes.
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Half of all torture
survivors report seeing a doc
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supervising their torture.
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The doc keeps alive the
ones who are supposed
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to be kept alive.
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The doc devises methods
of torture, such as shock,
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such as cold, such as isolation
or psychological stress,
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that does not leave wounds
that can be interpreted
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as evidence.
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And the doc uses the
bureaucracy of the modern state
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to conceal the medical
records, to falsify
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medical records, and to
falsify death certificates.
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It was clear that the abuse
had been quite extensive
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and involved very large
numbers of prisoners.
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And also involved really
extraordinary levels
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of gratuitous violence.
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I decided, given the
gravity of the issues,
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to be extremely
conservative in my approach.
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I wouldn't use witness accounts.
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I wouldn't use
lawyer statements.
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I wouldn't use press accounts.
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I would only use first
source government documents.
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As it happened, the ACLU
was conducting a gigantic
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set of lawsuits under the
Freedom of Information Act
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to obtain government records.
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They put these documents
up on a website.
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I read somewhere in
the neighbourhood of
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60 to 80,000 pages.
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Once you start getting
that many documents,
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it's possible to
cross link events.
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The story of the ice
man, for example.
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That story resides in about
15 different documents.
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And until you put
them all together,
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you can't see the
extraordinary narrative.
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Because this guy was
picked up at his home
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by Navy Seals, there was
a huge fight at his home.
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They took him to a Navy
Seals base, he was naked.
404
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It was November.
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He said, "I feel
like I'm gonna die."
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And the interrogator said
to him, "You're gonna
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wish you were dead."
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A medic watched as
they worked him over
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in something called
the Romper Room.
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Then they took him
to Abu Ghraib.
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He said, "I can't breathe"
to the entry people.
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But was not given
a physical exam.
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The Seals turned him
over to the CIA.
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The CIA took him
into a shower room
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and they had the guards tie
his hands behind his back
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and they hoisted him up.
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When you hang somebody
backwards by their wrists,
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it prevents the lungs
from expanding.
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And when you add to
that, broke ribs
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and a sandbag over his
head, it makes breathing
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even more difficult.
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The final cause of death
was asphyxiation.
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Then they called the
guards back in.
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And the guards, the CIA
guy told the guards,
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"Look, he's faking it.
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He won't talk and he
keeps slumping down."
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00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,119
Well the guards tried to lift
him up, he was dead weight.
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00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,840
In fact, he was dead.
429
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,680
The CIA freaked out at
this guy being dead.
430
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,240
They called intelligence
commander Apus,
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who came in and said, "I'm
not going down for this,
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what'd you do to this guy?"
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So they sent one of
their lieutenants off
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to grab some ice.
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And packed him in the body bag.
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And then the guards had
their photo shoot.
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The next thing that
happened was in the morning,
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they had to get him out
of the shower room
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and they had to take him
through the prison cell blocks.
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So they called in a medic,
who put an IV in his arm,
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and wheeled him out
saying he was sick.
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The narrative of where
his autopsy was done,
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who did it, and why
the death certificate
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was suppressed is
still classified.
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Although the
United States was obligated
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to return his body to
the al Jamadi family,
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he was buried in
an unmarked grave.
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His family learned
what happened to him
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through the Abu Ghraib photos.
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The world knows Mr.
Jamadi as the body defiled
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by Abu Ghraib guards.
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The press focused
on who tortured him
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and whether officers would
be prosecuted for his murder.
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One fact is rarely noted.
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Mr. Jamadi's fate was
sealed by two medics, a doctor,
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and the medical command
responsible for his healthcare,
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according to the third
Geneva Convention,
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ratified by the United States.
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The number of doctors involved
in detainee abuse is unknown.
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But in declassified
government documents,
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the al Jamadi case is
just one among many
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involving medical complicity
and cover up of torture.
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The pathologist
working for the
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Armed Forces Institute
of Pathology collectively
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and systematically and
uniformly suppressed
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death reports in US prisons
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in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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To the extent that they
ever became aware of them
469
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,720
in the CIA rendition
presence as well.
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There have been
detainees here since last July.
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Nobody knows what cave
they are in.
472
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,400
Nobody can reach
the detainees.
473
00:29:31,431 --> 00:29:33,831
The Americans dominate
the detainees.
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00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:38,262
They dragged them
out of bed naked.
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00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:40,695
Three of them were
released.
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00:29:40,739 --> 00:29:42,043
Two were kept.
477
00:29:42,121 --> 00:29:43,801
One was taken to Basra.
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Secret deaths in prisons
alienate populations profoundly.
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And in fact, when you look
in Iraq and what happened
480
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after the Abu Ghraib experience,
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including the death
of Jamadi came out,
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what happened was
that support for our
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presence in Iraq dropped
from around 70 percent
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to around 20 percent.
485
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,319
We lost the moral authority
that we had at Iraq.
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We lost the Iraq people
in a way that radically
487
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,200
transformed the Iraq military
and political landscape.
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And then of course, the
ultimate folly of all this was
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that according to
military intelligence,
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85 percent of the prisoners
at Abu Ghraib were
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entirely innocent or
ignorant of any insurgency
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activity whatsoever.
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MUSIC
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As a doctor who's been
evaluating in caring
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for torture victims
from all over the world,
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for over 15 years, individuals
that I examine who've been
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detained at Abu Ghraib
or Guantanamo are among
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the most traumatized,
scarred both
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physically and psychologically
and for lack of a better
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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,239
way at putting it, most
damaged individuals
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that I've examined.
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- Under pressure
to obtain useful intelligence,
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00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,719
the Department of Defense
established behavioural
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science consultation teams.
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Made up of both psychiatrists
and psychologists
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to advice interrogators
on strategy
507
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after observing interrogations
on TV monitors like this.
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00:31:42,541 --> 00:31:45,655
(indistinct speech)
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- He said it's healthy.
I can't move my arm.
510
00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:52,128
- I requested medical
for a long time.
511
00:31:52,162 --> 00:31:54,107
They don't do anything about it.
512
00:31:54,132 --> 00:31:56,864
- No, I mean they look like
they're healing well to me.
513
00:31:56,889 --> 00:31:58,557
You know I'm not
a doctor but I think...
514
00:31:58,582 --> 00:32:00,270
you're getting
good medical care.
515
00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:02,835
- No I'm not.
You're not here.
516
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,759
The Behavioral
Science Consultation Teams,
517
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,279
or BSCTS, helped interrogators
518
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,999
exploit the physical
and emotional
519
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,719
vulnerabilities
of the detainees.
520
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,159
These doctors were pulled
out of clinical services
521
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,079
and thrust into the
role of consultants
522
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,639
without any experience
with interrogation.
523
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,119
- We like to think of
torture as mainly this
524
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,919
physical phenomenon,
that it's only torture
525
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,039
if you're beating
someone or hanging them
526
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,239
from their thumbs.
527
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,519
It's really important to
recognize and understand
528
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,919
that most, if not all
torture, has both physical
529
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,400
and psychological components.
530
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,879
According to
the Guantanamo standard
531
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,559
operating procedures,
on arrival each detainee
532
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,399
is isolated for four
weeks and allowed contact
533
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,119
only with interrogators and the
534
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680
behavioral science consultants.
535
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,920
Step up.
536
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Turn around.
537
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,519
Human beings are social,
we're creatures that
538
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,919
thrive on communication with
others, connection with others.
539
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,879
So when you deprive someone
of that, you automatically
540
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,239
start raising risk factors
for the kinds of reactions,
541
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,279
for reactions such
as depression,
542
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,279
anxiety, panic attacks,
543
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,639
suicidality, in sort
of more extreme cases
544
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,360
and psychosis even in
more extreme cases.
545
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,920
SCREAMING
546
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:20,640
SLAMMING
547
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:29,360
SLAMMING
548
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:31,479
Isolation
is often combined with
549
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,879
sleep deprivation to further
disorient the detainee.
550
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,159
- Soccer?
551
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,520
TEASING AND TAUNTING
552
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,920
SLAM
553
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,239
Stay the fuck awake, no
sleeping, no sleeping.
554
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:48,359
None, none.
555
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,600
SLAMMING
556
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,719
Investigative
journalists were among
557
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,999
the first to expose
some of the techniques
558
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,200
recommended by the behavioral
science consultants.
559
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,919
There was one plan in
particular that a detainee's
560
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,319
lawyer described
to me in which the
561
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,479
detainee was told that a
psychiatrist had monitored
562
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,319
the amount of toilet
paper he was allowed,
563
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,439
he was only allowed
seven squares a day.
564
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,639
And that was actually an
improvement over earlier
565
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,199
when the psychiatrist,
according to these sources,
566
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,279
had taken away all
of his toilet paper.
567
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,359
Each detainees had kind of
a psychological assessment
568
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,399
and a plan kind of
created for interrogating
569
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,280
him depending on his
weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
570
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,839
Another common form
of abuse that I heard
571
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,519
from almost every former
Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo
572
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,239
detainee was these
horrific recountings
573
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:46,479
of sexual humiliations.
574
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,079
There was one individual,
for example,
575
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,759
who told me how he was
forced to be naked
576
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,879
in a room where it was made
very hot and very cold.
577
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,759
He was forced to stand
in uncomfortable
578
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,159
and painful positions.
579
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,679
But what was most devastating
to him about that experience,
580
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,759
was when he said, a
woman who was naked
581
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,719
came into the interrogation room
582
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,599
and touched herself
and then touched him
583
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,039
with what he believed
was menstrual blood.
584
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,119
It was this moment
when he was utterly
585
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,799
and completely helpless
and humiliated.
586
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,039
That was most
traumatizing to him.
587
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,360
That was when he hung
his head in shame.
588
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,479
Probably overwhelmingly,
most of the individuals
589
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,079
who were detained at
Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo
590
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,279
were not terrorists.
591
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,719
They were individuals who
were picked up and sweeped,
592
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,479
who were in the wrong
place at the wrong time,
593
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,079
got arrested, put through
this hell like no other,
594
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,319
that they or I could describe,
and then were released.
595
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,240
But really shells
of who they were.
596
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,399
Mohammed Jawad was one
of these detainees.
597
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,599
In 2002, he was arrested
in a crowded marketplace
598
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,479
in Kabul after a grenade
exploded injuring
599
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,639
three US servicemen.
600
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,999
Jawad did not have a
birth certificate and his
601
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,719
age at the time is uncertain.
602
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,920
But he was estimated to
be between 14 and 16.
603
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,919
After a short detention
in Afghanistan,
604
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,399
he was moved to Guantanamo Bay.
605
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,719
- Guantanamo Bay is sort
of supposed to be you know,
606
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:31,239
where you keep the worst
of the worst, you know,
607
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,559
the really bad people.
608
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,119
And you have a child
who's being accused of
609
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,519
throwing a hand grenade at
US soldiers being called
610
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,040
a war criminal, it just
didn't make sense.
611
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,719
During an interrogation
of Mohammed Jawad,
612
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,919
the interrogator became
alarmed when the youth
613
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,319
began talking to a wall.
614
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,279
He asked a psychologist
assigned to detainee
615
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,639
interrogations to
observe Jawad and check
616
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,039
his mental state.
617
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,319
Her response was reported
by another officer
618
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,640
in a sworn deposition.
619
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,319
He appears to be rather
frightened and it looks
620
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,919
as if he could break
easily if he were
621
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,279
isolated from his support
network and made
622
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,600
to rely solely on
the interrogator.
623
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,799
Make him as uncomfortable
as possible,
624
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,240
work him as hard as possible.
625
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,919
The psychologist
concluded that Jawad
626
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,479
was faking homesickness
and depression.
627
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,799
And recommended more
severe isolation to
628
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,720
induce his cooperation.
629
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,039
After a period in this extreme
isolation, Mohammed Jawad
630
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,519
attempted to kill himself
by banging his head
631
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,240
off metal structures
in his cell.
632
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,919
He survived and was
kept relatively isolated
633
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,719
for five more years,
634
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:01,919
when Dr. Katherine
Porterfield examined
635
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,520
him at the request of
Jawad's defense team.
636
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,159
Over the course of my
evaluation with Mr. Jawad,
637
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,239
it was clear he was suffering
with major depression.
638
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,160
He had intense
sadness and despair.
639
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,119
Difficulty sleeping, he
had severe sleep problems.
640
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Appetite had been basically
profoundly impaired.
641
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,639
You know, he barely ate
very much and he had
642
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,759
almost, he said, no
taste for food anymore.
643
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,479
He was a very, very
depressed young man.
644
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,639
- When I went into
Jawad, I wanted to take
645
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,079
the initiative and you
know, get to the point
646
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,439
as quickly as possible.
647
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,599
And he basically stopped me.
648
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,119
And I was with an interpreter,
he doesn't speak English
649
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,839
or didn't at that time.
650
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,799
And he said, "I don't wanna
talk about who you are
651
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,399
or why you're doing
what you're doing
652
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,479
or anything, all I
wanna do is find out when
653
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,879
I can go see my mom."
654
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,279
All of a sudden, the
curtain got pulled back
655
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,799
and you know, there was
this boy sitting in a chair
656
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,319
asking for his mom.
657
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,039
And it really changed the way
that I approached that case.
658
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,559
- When I would ask him
to recount anything
659
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,719
about his time at
Guantanamo, he would become
660
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,439
very distressed, put
his head in his hands,
661
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,359
and just say, "I
can't, it's too hard."
662
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,839
I wrote a declaration
stating that I felt that
663
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,639
the conditions he was
in were not appropriate
664
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,919
or harming him.
665
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,639
And his lawyers
basically then argued,
666
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,399
to the authorities,
that he should be moved
667
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,520
out of a situation of isolation.
668
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,440
And that response did
not come for many months.
669
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,079
- He was never viewed as an
innocent person, you know,
670
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,479
within the system.
671
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,679
It was always, he's
guilty, so how do we get
672
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,760
to the conviction as
fast as possible?
673
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,919
Jawad's
lawyer, Eric Montalvo,
674
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,879
went to extraordinary
lengths for his client.
675
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,039
To get missing records
and depositions,
676
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,399
he travelled to Kabul.
677
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,119
An unarmed marine
without the protection
678
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,399
of US forces, he returned
with messages of support
679
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,559
from Jawad's family
and powerful evidence
680
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,320
that Mohammed Jawad
was innocent.
681
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,279
And I think that at
the end of the day,
682
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,239
it was such a mess of a case.
683
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:21,679
And it was so emblematic
of all the things wrong
684
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,159
with Guantanamo, that they
just got him out of there.
685
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,560
And tried to make it go away.
686
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,399
After
seven years in prison,
687
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,040
Mohammaed Jawad was
finally released.
688
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,519
Eric Montalvo kept his
promise to be in Kabul
689
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,760
when the young man arrived.
690
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,519
His mother couldn't
even recognize him
691
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,119
because he had physically
changed so much,
692
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,439
because he was just a boy.
693
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,199
And he apparently had a certain
shape to the back of his
694
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,559
head from either a
fall or what have you,
695
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,719
and she was in total
disbelief until she
696
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,719
felt the shape of his head.
697
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:03,200
And then at that point she knew
and collapsed on the floor.
698
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,719
In the case of involvement
of health professionals,
699
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:25,000
when does it rise to the
level of national scandal?
700
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,479
How many more revelations
about physician involvement,
701
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,159
about research, about
approval of interrogations
702
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,880
for people who are clearly
injured, to be injured again.
703
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,080
How much more?
704
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,919
The American
public does not hear much
705
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,800
about doctor involvement
in detainee abuse.
706
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,159
Since the Abu Ghraib
scandal, both administrations
707
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,479
have gone to great lengths
to present detainee
708
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,040
treatment as humane.
709
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,920
We are going to treat
them exactly right.
710
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,239
We're gonna treat
them humanely and
711
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,160
it will be appropriate
to their circumstance.
712
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,719
The press
is given tours of modern
713
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,880
medical facilities
in Guantanamo.
714
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,879
And army psychologists who
report on the condition
715
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,160
of detainees, make no mention
of symptoms of trauma.
716
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,919
The diagnosis we see,
are the same ones we've
717
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,199
seen in the states.
718
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,519
The main or most
prevalent diagnosis here
719
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,120
are personality disorders.
720
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,479
Do you see
any signs of desperation
721
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,920
by some detainees?
722
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,520
Uhh...
723
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,279
not really.
724
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Well...
725
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,600
A few of 'em have maybe well...
726
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,479
Maybe a few of 'em.
727
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,039
I can't... I don't know really
any specific details though
728
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,320
where they have done anything
729
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,520
out of desperation.
730
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,679
Doctors at
detention sites are divided
731
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,079
between those who work
in treatment services
732
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,279
and those who work under
the intelligence command.
733
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,639
Although the two are
officially separate,
734
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,079
there are many reports of
doctors in the medical services
735
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,560
supporting the programs of
the intelligence command.
736
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Released detainee
Adel al Gazzar.
737
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,720
One day I remember I was
crying terrible from the pain.
738
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,639
A doctor turned up with
pain killers but he said,
739
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,799
"I will give you the
medication, but first you need
740
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,680
to sign a confession that
you're a member of al Qaeda."
741
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,919
I told him I'm not a
member of al Qaeda
742
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,800
and cannot confess to a lie.
743
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,080
He put the medication in
his pocket and walked off.
744
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,159
What's interesting is
that the medical personnel
745
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,880
at Guantanamo never go
by their real names.
746
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,039
So they always rely
on pseudonyms.
747
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,520
You know, Doctor Scarlet,
you know, Doctor Geneva.
748
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,716
So it's very hard to
identify medical personnel.
749
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:15,920
MUSIC
750
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,439
There were doctors who
actually lived up
751
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,999
to their ethical obligations.
752
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,879
And the perception
among the prisoners
753
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,479
was that those doctors
were very quickly,
754
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,159
you know, shuffled
out of Guantanamo.
755
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Or rotated out of their posts.
756
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,280
Were not renewed or
maintained in those positions.
757
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,759
Journalists
are not allowed to
758
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,799
interview detainees in
the detention sites.
759
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,639
Reports of how detainees
are force fed at Guantanamo
760
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,760
come from released prisoners
and their defense lawyers.
761
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,919
I represented Ahmed Zuhair,
who's a Saudi national
762
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:05,279
who was in US custody
from 2002 until 2009.
763
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,479
He was on hunger strike as
a form of peaceful protest
764
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,799
at sort of his unlawful
and indefinite
765
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,879
imprisonment away from his
family, away from his life,
766
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,080
and also in protest of the
torture that he had survived.
767
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,559
And he said, you know, he
would continue his hunger
768
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,639
strike until the United
States stopped referring
769
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,080
to him as an enemy combatant.
770
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,919
You know, over the
course of my two years
771
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,559
representing him and meeting
with him at Guantanamo,
772
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,399
his health fluctuated sharply.
773
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,079
You know, we had some meetings
where he was in a gurney.
774
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,519
There were some meetings
where he could not move
775
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,799
and where he was
in physical pain.
776
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,600
I saw him vomit repeatedly.
777
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,599
So it was a physically
traumatizing experience
778
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,039
for him, but somehow you
know, really almost magically
779
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,440
he remained lucid throughout.
780
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,079
You know, initially, force
feeding was done on a bed
781
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,719
in a relatively
unfettered position.
782
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,559
So the authorities went
from a protocol that
783
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,999
accommodated the
prisoners and made the
784
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,839
force feeding experience
more comfortable
785
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,919
and more tolerable,
to another protocol.
786
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,879
Which was designed
specifically to inflict
787
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,759
maximum pain and discomfort
so as to pressure
788
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,280
the hunger strikers to
suspend their hunger strikes.
789
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,000
The subsequent protocol
that my client described
790
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:38,040
involved what he referred
to as the Torture Chair.
791
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,239
Which was a chair, which
was a six point restraint
792
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:43,839
chair where prisoners were
restrained at the arms,
793
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,200
legs, torso, head, and neck.
794
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,879
They took away lubrication,
they took away
795
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,120
local aesthetics, they
took away soothing lozenges.
796
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,280
All to make the experience
as uncomfortable as possible.
797
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:06,080
SCREAMING
798
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,839
Some of the men
refused to come out.
799
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,039
Because they objected
to being force fed.
800
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,239
And in a brutal manner.
801
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,159
And so they wished to
remain in their cells.
802
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,519
And so what the medical
authorities at Guantanamo
803
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,479
do at that point, was to
order basically a riot squad,
804
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,639
six man teams in full riot gear,
805
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,319
with padding, shields,
sticks, helmets, visors, mace,
806
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,599
and they would basically
march into a cell block
807
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,679
as loudly as possible to
intimidate and terrorize
808
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,999
the prisoner population.
809
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,519
And then they would
go into the cell.
810
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,520
And drag them out to
the restraint chair.
811
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,879
And then one of the US
military medical personnel
812
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,319
would insert the
force feeding tubes.
813
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,239
And a single feeding
session would last,
814
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,479
you know, two to three hours.
815
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,800
Depending on how much nutrition
was to be administered.
816
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,039
That experience was so
traumatic that a lot of the
817
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,639
prisoners developed
inflamed nasal passages.
818
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,759
The medical personnel,
they would leave the tubes
819
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,119
in their noses for days on end.
820
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,919
But he was in a position
where that was the only
821
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,400
possible gesture of protest
that was left to him.
822
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,919
The people in Guantanamo
Bay, we have not
823
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,079
forgotten about you.
824
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,799
Even though I've been
released for over two years,
825
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,719
the burden of Guantanamo
is still there with me.
826
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,239
And until that place
is closed down,
827
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,480
I can never forget
what happened there.
828
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,519
We were able to get a
federal judge to order
829
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,799
the government to either
830
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,799
force feed Mr. Zuhair in
humane conditions, on a bed,
831
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,679
in a clinic, and not
in the restraint chair.
832
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,879
Or justify to the judge,
to the federal court,
833
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,279
why it was necessary
to force feed him
834
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,799
in that restraint chair.
835
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,599
But the other hunger
strikers who were not
836
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,559
subject to that order,
they were still being
837
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,399
force fed pursuant
to the old protocol.
838
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,479
And to my knowledge, that
force feeding protocol,
839
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,439
that's a protocol that is
still alive and that is
840
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,720
still being applied at
Guantanamo today in 2010.
841
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,359
Ahmed Zuhair
was released from Guantanamo
842
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,320
after being imprisoned for
seven years without charge.
843
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,719
But Shaker Amair, a leader
of the hunger strikes,
844
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,319
remains in isolation.
845
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,560
The only British resident
still detained at Guantanamo.
846
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,159
I'm dying here everyday,
mentally and physically.
847
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,680
I have got kidney problems
from the filthy yellow water.
848
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,799
I have lung problems
from the chemicals they
849
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,159
spread all over the floor.
850
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,719
I'm already arthritic
at 40 because I sleep
851
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:05,559
on a steel bed.
852
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,999
And they use freezing
air conditioning as part
853
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,599
of the interrogation process.
854
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,519
I have ruined eyes from
the permanent 24 hour
855
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,120
fluorescent lights.
856
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,439
I have been made paranoid
so I can trust nobody,
857
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,919
even my lawyer.
858
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,280
Because the Americans
play with my mind.
859
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,920
I would just like to
die quietly by myself.
860
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,439
I want no feeding,
no force tubes.
861
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,159
No help.
862
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,640
No intensive assisted feeding.
863
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,199
From everything we've
seen about how this policy
864
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,759
of torture was designed
and implemented,
865
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,199
that health professionals were
a critical cog in the wheel.
866
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,559
And that if you were to take
the health professionals out,
867
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,319
the system as we know it,
I believe would've come
868
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,759
to a grinding halt.
869
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,319
- Had the senior physicians
come out forcefully
870
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:19,919
and more or less unified,
that clinical practitioners
871
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,079
were not gonna
participate or condone
872
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,359
any of these practices, that
there could've very likely
873
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,279
been at least a
curtailment and a serious
874
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,839
limitation of their happening.
875
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,879
For the army, it would've
meant that the army
876
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,919
surgeon general would have said,
877
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,319
absolutely we are not
going to comply with this.
878
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,359
It violates all our ethical
principles, it is wrong.
879
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,359
And no medical people
will be involved
880
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,759
in these practices.
881
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,040
Doctor Kylie, who then
was a surgeon general,
882
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,759
had the opposite viewpoint.
883
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,119
That the military
mission of getting the
884
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,199
intelligence information
superseded what had
885
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,600
been the traditional medical
ethics and medical practice.
886
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,199
Some intelligence
and military officials
887
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,799
did protest the torture program.
888
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,599
- In simple words, your
own soldier's language,
889
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,119
how did this happen?
890
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,119
- Failure in leadership
sir from the brigade
891
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,439
commander on down.
892
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,479
Lack of discipline.
893
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,920
No training whatsoever.
894
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,039
General
Antonio Taguba was forced
895
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,519
into retirement for his
rigorous investigation
896
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,680
of the abuses.
897
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,919
The military command
severely punished
898
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,559
Sargent Sam Provance
for refusing to retract
899
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,400
his testimony about
tortures at Abu Ghraib.
900
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,679
I do know military doctors who
901
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,279
either directly indirectly
did resist cooperating,
902
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,799
voiced their dissent.
903
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,440
And they feel and I really
904
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,199
agree with them that
their careers one way
905
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,920
or another were hurt.
906
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,839
In contrast,
the officers who developed
907
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,439
and conducted the enhanced
techniques program
908
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,200
remain well protected.
909
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,519
The CIA has provided
doctors James Mitchell
910
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,119
and Bruce Jessen with
a five million dollar
911
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,279
legal defense fund in
case they are charged
912
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,360
with torturing detainees.
913
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,279
Now if we got professionals
who are trained in this
914
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,479
kind of work to get
information that'll
915
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,599
protect the American
people, and by the way,
916
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,639
we have gotten
information from these
917
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,559
high valued detainees,
918
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,559
that have helped protect you.
919
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,119
In 2006,
President Bush announced
920
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,759
that the enhanced
techniques provided
921
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,439
invaluable intelligence.
922
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,119
But by then, the program
was so widely condemned
923
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,079
that a high army
official could publicly
924
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,440
refute him without
getting punished.
925
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,799
No good intelligence is gonna
come from abusive practices.
926
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,719
I think history tells us that.
927
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,519
I think the empirical
evidence of the last
928
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,159
five years, hard
years, tell us that.
929
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,559
So and moreover, any
piece of intelligence
930
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,479
which is obtained under
duress, through the use
931
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:08,479
of abusive techniques, would
be of questionable credibility.
932
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,399
And additionally, it would
do more harm than good
933
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,679
when it inevitably
became known that abusive
934
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,599
practices were used.
935
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,519
- There's a guy speaking
truth to power.
936
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,399
Didn't deter Dick
Cheney or George Bush
937
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,639
from doing this anyway.
938
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,119
But Kimmons was laying
down the law saying look,
939
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,279
my army is not gonna do that.
940
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,919
If it's done that in the past,
it's gonna stop doing that.
941
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,920
Because they don't work.
942
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,119
In 2002, FBI and
other federal investigators
943
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,159
tried to stop abusive methods
that military interrogators
944
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,839
were adopting at Guantanamo.
945
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,639
Dr. Michael Gelles, who
had been involved in
946
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,079
the Daniel King espionage
case, was among those
947
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,479
who protested the brutality.
948
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,919
The federal investigators,
including Dr. Gelles,
949
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,239
proposed an alternative
way to interrogate
950
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,519
a high valued detainee.
951
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,399
It was rejected by the
military in favour
952
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,319
of more physical coercion.
953
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,920
The alternate plan remained
classified until 2009.
954
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,479
Well when we actually read
the plan, it was chilling.
955
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,439
It was not a model for
an ethical interrogation,
956
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,159
but it was based on
instilling complete
957
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,839
dependency and debility
over many months.
958
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,119
I think what we're
finding out is that what
959
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,039
Colonel Larry James, who
claims to have abolished
960
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,679
abuses at Guantanamo
in January of 2003,
961
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,279
what Larry James and Michael
Gelles felt was abusive
962
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,799
was only the most
extreme techniques.
963
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,799
The so called
physical techniques.
964
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,799
Slapping or banging
against a wall.
965
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,199
Not sleep deprivation
and isolation
966
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,760
and sensory deprivation.
967
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,679
Significant
but incomplete reform,
968
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,919
banning extreme physical
tortures but not some of the
969
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,719
psychological abuses,
can also be seen in 2006
970
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,279
revisions of the
army field manual.
971
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,159
Endorsed by the Obama
administration.
972
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,599
- Any interrogations
taking place are gonna
973
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,079
have to abide by the
army field manual.
974
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,519
We believe that the
army field manual
975
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,999
reflects the best
judgement of our military.
976
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,479
That we can abide by a rule
977
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,319
that says we don't torture.
978
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,279
- When President Obama
came into office,
979
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,519
he also indicated that
the interrogations
980
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,639
by the United States
forces, including the CIA,
981
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,039
should follow the
parameters laid down in the
982
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,759
current army field manual.
983
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,079
That's the same army
field manual that carries
984
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,559
appendix M, with all of
its different abusive
985
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,519
forms of interrogation.
986
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,759
It also is the same army
field manual that changed
987
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,519
the definition of the
use of fear up from the
988
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,479
previous army field
manual to allow for the
989
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,999
induction of new
phobias, new fears.
990
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,079
It changed the language of the
previous army field manual,
991
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,559
which had banned
sleep deprivation.
992
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,479
Now there was no such ban.
993
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,759
- My reading of the appendix
M of the field manual
994
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,559
was that it did open a
door to some of these
995
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,879
techniques that are
mostly being used
996
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,440
by the CIA.
997
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,639
The question
of detainee abuse
998
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,679
and the role that
doctors play in it,
999
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,559
is no longer limited
to the military or CIA
1000
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,799
operations oversees.
1001
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,359
Detainees awaiting trial
in the United States
1002
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,479
may be subject to special
administrative measures,
1003
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,119
or SAM's, that resemble the
isolation and deprivation
1004
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,760
found in Guantanamo.
1005
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,479
We're gathered here on
a very wet and damp day
1006
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,239
outside of the Metropolitan
Correctional Center,
1007
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,719
where for nearly three years,
Fahad Hashmi has been held
1008
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,719
in severe solitary confinement.
1009
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,079
- In 2006, Fahad
Hashmi, an American citizen,
1010
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,879
was arrested for material
support for al Qaeda
1011
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,520
and kept in highly
restricted lockdown.
1012
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,400
His treatment raised an issue
rarely debated in public.
1013
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,640
Prolonged isolation can
jeopardize a prisoner's health.
1014
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,919
Do the special administrative
measures supersede
1015
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,879
the orders of a
doctor responsible
1016
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,480
for the detainee's care?
1017
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,159
- So we say
tonight to Fahad
1018
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,759
and to his family,
that we stand with you
1019
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,719
and remain committed to
struggle alongside you
1020
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,639
towards a light that
surely must come and emerge
1021
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,400
from these dark days.
1022
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,719
As we leave, I'd like
everyone to place
1023
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,919
a flower, you're not allowed
to stand on the sidewalk
1024
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,639
in front of the MCC,
but as you walk by,
1025
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,480
please place a flower.
1026
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,759
The detention
practices of the war
1027
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,119
on terror have come home.
1028
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,719
If extreme isolation
is harming a detainee,
1029
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,240
can US prison doctors stop it?
1030
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,759
Do doctors have the
authority to protect
1031
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,599
the healthcare of the prisoner?
1032
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,919
Although much is classified,
there is evidence
1033
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,159
that decisions by doctors
treating detainees
1034
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,920
may be countermanded by
government officials.
1035
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,039
When I hear about
psychologists participating
1036
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,599
in CIA black sites, in the
kidnapping of children,
1037
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,559
I know that something
is wrong in the state
1038
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,319
of psychology and how
psychology is being used.
1039
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,760
APPLAUSE
1040
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,719
Many human rights
and healthcare organisations
1041
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,479
have protested the
role of doctors
1042
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,759
in the torture program.
1043
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,279
In 2005, Doctor
Steven Sharfstein,
1044
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,919
the newly elected
president of the
1045
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,559
American Psychiatric
Association wrote to
1046
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,799
Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld,
1047
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,039
raising concerns about
psychiatrists assisting
1048
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,440
interrogations at Guantanamo.
1049
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,999
Well what happened
was I didn't hear a word
1050
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,279
in response to my letter.
1051
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,359
And then in the beginning
of October I got a call,
1052
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,039
"Would you like
to go next week?"
1053
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,999
I guess that's the way
things work in the military.
1054
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,439
And I said absolutely.
1055
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,559
We landed and we went,
took a boat trip
1056
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,039
across the bay, to the prison.
1057
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,759
And then we had a
briefing on the prison,
1058
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,360
very extensive one.
1059
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,039
What we heard was
that there were these
1060
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,159
Behavioral Science
Consultation Teams, BSCT teams,
1061
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,799
they were never in the room
when interrogations took place.
1062
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,239
They were in another room.
1063
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,799
They were listening in.
1064
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,879
They had direct way
to talk to the
1065
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,719
interrogators and to
advise them about
1066
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,919
what ways to proceed
and their role they
1067
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,439
emphasized was to try to
establish rapport with
1068
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,199
these detainees and not
really stress them in any way.
1069
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,559
So they were trying
definitely to convince us
1070
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,159
that what they were doing
was humane, ethical,
1071
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,080
you know, on the up and up.
1072
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,399
Doctor Sharfstein
and his colleagues
1073
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,279
were not convinced that
psychiatrists should
1074
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,360
assist in interrogations.
1075
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,919
I didn't think
that psychiatrists
1076
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,719
had any competency
1077
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,919
to be doing this kind of work.
1078
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,720
We're trained to
diagnose, treat.
1079
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,440
Beyond the ethical
position of do no harm,
1080
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,039
what training do we
have in interrogations
1081
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,679
and police interrogations,
or any of those
1082
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,399
kinds of issues?
1083
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,359
- In 2006, after much
internal debate,
1084
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,399
the American Psychiatric
Association passed
1085
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,119
a resolution stating that
it was not appropriate
1086
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,799
for psychiatrists
to directly assist
1087
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,720
in the interrogation
of detainees.
1088
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,759
The American Psychiatric
Association just drew
1089
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,600
the line and said, no.
1090
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,799
And actually many...
1091
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,479
I was contacted by a number
of military psychiatrists
1092
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,359
saying thank you, because
now we can say to superiors,
1093
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,799
"I don't wanna go against
the policy, position,
1094
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,760
and the ethical rules
of my association."
1095
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,879
Though the standards
of the AMA and the
1096
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,919
American Psychiatric Association
are as they should be,
1097
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,119
strong unequivocal
prohibitions against direct
1098
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,439
involvement in interrogation,
the fact remains
1099
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,479
that neither of those
associations have taken
1100
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,279
ethical action against
members who allegedly
1101
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,559
were directly
involved in the abuse
1102
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,800
of prisoners in US custody.
1103
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,399
Only one
professional association
1104
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,319
approved of its doctors
assisting interrogations,
1105
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,240
the American Psychological
Association or APA.
1106
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,279
In 2005, it followed
the recommendations
1107
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,719
of its task force on
psychological ethics
1108
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,320
and national security, or PENS.
1109
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,559
So for us, the
question is not whether
1110
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,919
psychologists may be
involved in these processes,
1111
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,559
it's how psychologists
may be involved
1112
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,600
in these activities
in an ethical manner.
1113
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,519
We know from records
and accounts of what went
1114
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,639
on at the task force
that there was never
1115
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,159
a question, a discussion,
about whether
1116
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,239
it was ethical for
psychologists to participate
1117
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,399
in these interrogations.
1118
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,759
That was assumed from
the very first moment.
1119
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,039
The APA has never, except
when absolutely forced to
1120
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,759
by the public record,
acknowledged that there are
1121
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,400
even problems in the policy.
1122
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,439
Psychology's profession
has been intimately
1123
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,719
involved with the military
intelligence establishment,
1124
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,119
something that's sort
of invisible to a large
1125
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,160
number of practical
psychologists.
1126
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,759
APA officials
appointed a task force
1127
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,399
guaranteed to approve
psychologists involvement
1128
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,640
in detainee interrogations.
1129
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,119
Doctor Morgan Banks helped
to write the standard
1130
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,400
operating procedures manual
for BSCT interrogation doctors.
1131
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,879
Doctor Scott Shumate
attended the launch
1132
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,999
of enhanced interrogation
procedures at a CIA black site.
1133
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,719
Doctor Larry James was
the first psychologist
1134
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,240
to advise on interrogations
at Abu Ghraib.
1135
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,479
Doctor Bryce Lefever, another
member of the task force
1136
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,519
majority, asserted that
a psychologist assisting
1137
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,399
interrogations has
no responsibility
1138
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,199
for detainee welfare.
1139
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,519
Contradicting the most
basic ethical principles
1140
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,479
of psychology practice.
1141
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,279
- America happens
to be my client.
1142
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,439
Americans are who I care about.
1143
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,479
I have no fondness
for the enemy.
1144
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,199
And I don't feel like
I need to take care
1145
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,399
of their mental health needs.
1146
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,919
Producing some pain
just seems to be,
1147
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:22,199
you know at first blush,
something that would be wrong
1148
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,719
because we do no harm,
but if it does the most
1149
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,919
good for the most people,
it's entirely ethical.
1150
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,680
And to do otherwise
would be unethical.
1151
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,279
Doctor
Michael Gelles was the
1152
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,039
psychologist involved in the
Daniel King espionage case.
1153
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,919
In 2001, one of King's
lawyers found Gelles
1154
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,399
treatment of King so
unethical that he submitted
1155
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,559
a complaint to the
APA Ethics Committee.
1156
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,880
The complaint was dismissed.
1157
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,919
Four years later, the
Ethics Director helped
1158
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,519
appoint psychologists
to the PENS task force,
1159
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,640
including Michael Gelles.
1160
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,039
APA officials stressed
the organisation's
1161
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,639
strong resolutions
against torture.
1162
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,159
And claimed that
psychologists keep the
1163
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,559
interrogations safe,
ethical, and effective.
1164
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,559
In 2008, thousands of
APA members effectively
1165
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,639
rejected this claim
and voted down
1166
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,200
the interrogation policy.
1167
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,479
In spite of this referendum,
psychologists still
1168
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,759
assist detainee
interrogations and their work
1169
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,200
remains highly controversial.
1170
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,439
Today, behavioral
science consultants and
1171
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,639
research psychologists
have a prominent role
1172
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,839
in the Obama
administration program for
1173
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,840
interrogating high
valued detainees.
1174
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,839
When people committed
these same acts,
1175
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,440
we prosecuted them in the
past at places like Nuremberg.
1176
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,479
And places like the
International Criminal Tribunal
1177
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,479
for the former Yugoslavia.
1178
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:55,879
What's different here?
1179
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,279
The difference is, is that
we just don't care enough.
1180
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,519
- There's been no
accountability at all.
1181
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,799
No investigation
that we're aware of.
1182
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,799
No attempt to question
the doctors about
1183
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,879
what they did, reveal
what they did fully.
1184
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,079
In fact, both the Bush
administration, the Obama
1185
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,199
administration have
utterly refused and opposed
1186
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,079
any attempt to investigate.
1187
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:25,279
And the doctors have
completely escaped
1188
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:29,599
any ethical or legal
responsibility
1189
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,760
for what they've done.
1190
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,119
The fight
for accountability
1191
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,919
is now turning to
institutions separate
1192
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,919
from the United States
government and military.
1193
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,999
Doctors, including those
in the CIA and military,
1194
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,759
must be licensed by
their state boards,
1195
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,719
which are responsible
for disciplining any
1196
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,720
involved in malpractice.
1197
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,919
To my knowledge, to date,
there have been complaints
1198
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,279
filed against health
professionals in California,
1199
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:01,080
New York, Louisiana,
Alabama, Guam, and Ohio.
1200
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,439
Before health professional
boards, licensing boards
1201
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:06,720
in all of those states.
1202
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:11,479
Not one of them to our
knowledge has even
1203
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:14,759
investigated, officially
seriously investigated
1204
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,079
any of the allegations.
1205
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,119
Some boards have not bothered
to give written answers,
1206
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,919
but over the phone
when consulted,
1207
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,039
have said that they
don't have jurisdiction.
1208
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,320
We don't believe that that's
true in any of the cases.
1209
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,639
The Texas State
Board of Examiners
1210
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,359
dismissed a complaint against
Doctor James Mitchell,
1211
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,479
the psychologist who according
to government documents,
1212
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:40,520
led the team that waterboarded
a detainee 83 times.
1213
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,359
Until congress, until the
National Institutes of Health,
1214
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,079
institutes of medicine,
realize that this
1215
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,079
is arguably the single
greatest scandal
1216
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,560
in the history of
American medical ethics,
1217
01:09:56,440 --> 01:10:01,799
and act that way,
we will be not even
1218
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,519
knowing what we
don't know about.
1219
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,480
Not even knowing the
questions to ask.
1220
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,240
Hold it.
1221
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,040
Okay.
1222
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:29,160
ELECTRICAL BUZZING
1223
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,080
GATE SLAMMING
1224
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,920
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