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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,730 --> 00:00:51,280 Looking like a veritable movie star. 2 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:53,120 Don't know how I got picked, Mr. Summers. 3 00:00:53,140 --> 00:00:55,293 Oh, you were our number one choice, Janet. 4 00:00:55,300 --> 00:00:57,260 - See you out there. - Here, Ma. 5 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,746 Excuse me, Jerry. 6 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,100 - Where do you want this? - Oh, exam room. 7 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,790 - Thanks. - Okay. 8 00:01:02,810 --> 00:01:04,043 I feel bad asking, 9 00:01:04,060 --> 00:01:05,923 but do you think I could talk with Dr. Duntsch? 10 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:08,220 Oh, he's real busy. Can I do something? 11 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,020 It's more of a doctor-patient thing. 12 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,579 Definitely don't want me handling that stuff. 13 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:12,999 - I'll talk to him. - Thank you, Jerry. 14 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,179 Will you make sure your mom's memorized on what she's saying? 15 00:01:15,180 --> 00:01:16,239 I don't want her getting distracted 16 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,475 - with lights, camera, action. - Yeah. 17 00:01:19,490 --> 00:01:22,280 Two reasons why patients normally present 18 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:25,023 to their doctors for pain related to the spine. 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,150 The first is related to the peripheral nervous system. 20 00:01:28,170 --> 00:01:30,071 That's called radiculopathy. 21 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:31,993 Now, normally, that type of pain is associated 22 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:33,760 - with depression or with... - Yo, Chris. 23 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:35,913 - ... degenerative changes in... - Cut. 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,840 Okay, um, let's take a break. 25 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:43,958 Knock out the patient's portion. Come back. 26 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:45,209 Good idea. 27 00:01:47,110 --> 00:01:49,464 Fuck me. 28 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,120 I am so sorry. 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,440 You're looking good. Feeling good? 30 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,220 I thought it'd be more professional. 31 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,600 Tell me what needs fixing, Chrissy, anything. 32 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:08,040 Kim's all over it. 33 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,940 I know you're in the zone, but Sarah wants to talk to you. 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,453 Janet's daughter. Our patient? 35 00:02:17,470 --> 00:02:19,620 Oh, yeah, that's fine. 36 00:02:23,460 --> 00:02:25,080 Hey. Dr. Duntsch, how can I help you? 37 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:26,860 Hi, Dr. Duntsch. 38 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,921 I noticed something in my mom's scar. 39 00:02:30,940 --> 00:02:35,140 Like, blue peeking out, like a piece of sponge. 40 00:02:35,170 --> 00:02:38,890 So I got some tweezers and... 41 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,250 Oh, wow. You should not have done that. 42 00:02:43,270 --> 00:02:44,940 Oh, my God. What did I do? 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,823 No, it's just a stitch. It's fine, but... look, you should call me 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,200 before you go digging around in there again, okay? 45 00:02:51,220 --> 00:02:53,986 - I did call a few times. - Quiet on set. 46 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,620 You ready, Jenny? 47 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:59,920 Should I tell my own story? Because this isn't my story. 48 00:03:00,820 --> 00:03:04,720 Janet, you look great today. 49 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:06,791 Thank you so much for doing this. 50 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:13,580 You did good. 51 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:18,620 Yeah. 52 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:27,600 Roll camera. And action. 53 00:03:29,260 --> 00:03:32,608 Dr. Duntsch is one great man. 54 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:37,738 He is the best doctor I think that you could ever go to, 55 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:41,450 and if you're having the problems that I had, 56 00:03:41,470 --> 00:03:47,998 you know, give him a call because he'll fix you. 57 00:03:52,294 --> 00:03:56,257 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - -- www.addic7ed.com -- 58 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:58,470 - _ - No God damn way. 59 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:59,850 - Mr. Duntsch... - Doctor. 60 00:03:59,870 --> 00:04:01,499 I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 61 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:04,120 - Doctor. - Dr. Duntsch, 62 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:05,839 I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 63 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,720 No, I don't. 64 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:11,380 I do not appreciate being locked up in a cage 65 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,943 like a dog for a year and a half. 66 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,779 And I certainly do not appreciate you telling me 67 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:17,800 that my best bet going forward 68 00:04:17,820 --> 00:04:20,420 is not just to fire your asses and hire real lawyers, 69 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,740 but to ask for a continuance. 70 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,868 I need to find someone to testify on your behalf. 71 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,640 Put me on the stand. 72 00:04:26,660 --> 00:04:28,540 If anybody else tries to describe what it is 73 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,751 that I do or how I do it, 74 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:32,619 they're just gonna end up looking like a bunch of jerks. 75 00:04:32,620 --> 00:04:36,100 See, that right there is why you can't take the stand. 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,843 You're emotionally driven. 77 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:40,930 And when you're emotional, you can't control what you say. 78 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,816 Try me. 79 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,430 You are a drug-and alcohol-addicted surgeon 80 00:05:07,450 --> 00:05:09,750 who was too impaired to perform surgeries. 81 00:05:09,770 --> 00:05:11,048 Allegedly. None of that was... 82 00:05:11,049 --> 00:05:13,917 Like a drunk driver, which, by the way, 83 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,961 - you have on your record, Mr. Duntsch. - Doctor. 84 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:18,172 No, you're no longer a doctor. 85 00:05:18,190 --> 00:05:20,799 - You had your license stripped. - Temporarily. 86 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:22,480 Not if we have anything to do with it. 87 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:24,050 And how about that email? 88 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:27,061 The one in which you're prepared to become a cold-blooded killer. 89 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,529 I never meant for that to be taken literally... 90 00:05:28,530 --> 00:05:29,725 You wrote it. 91 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:31,680 So it was just a coincidence 92 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:34,040 that you wrote that email to your lover, 93 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:36,113 who also happens to be your assistant, 94 00:05:36,130 --> 00:05:38,403 just prior to killing or maiming over 33 patients? 95 00:05:38,420 --> 00:05:39,630 It's not my fault! 96 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,320 The anesthesiologists and the nurses 97 00:05:41,340 --> 00:05:42,988 and the fat fucking patients... 98 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,883 Fire me, but know whoever slides into this seat 99 00:05:56,900 --> 00:05:59,088 is gonna tell you a version of the same thing. 100 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:00,760 I am trying to keep you 101 00:06:00,780 --> 00:06:03,342 from spending the rest of your life in prison. 102 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,820 I don't want to. 103 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:10,679 You've got my deposition, and you've got my records. 104 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,080 I don't have anything more to give. 105 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:14,228 The judge ruled you have to testify in front... 106 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,469 How could the emails not be true? 107 00:06:15,470 --> 00:06:16,480 He sent them to me. 108 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:17,691 The defense has a right 109 00:06:17,710 --> 00:06:20,150 to cross-examine you and confirm that. 110 00:06:29,970 --> 00:06:32,920 You know, I thought the other side of the world was far enough. 111 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,360 They don't want me there because of the emails. 112 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,940 They wanna know about us, about our relationship. 113 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,892 What are they gonna ask? 114 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:57,360 If it were me, 115 00:06:57,380 --> 00:07:00,000 I would remind them as often as I could 116 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:02,033 that you two were sleeping together 117 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,800 to establish a conflict of interest. 118 00:07:03,820 --> 00:07:05,904 You mean to call me a whore who can't be trusted? 119 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,199 I know you're trying to leave this all behind, Ms. Morgan, 120 00:07:09,210 --> 00:07:11,560 but there's only one way to do that. 121 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,082 This is hostile. She's being hostile. 122 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:18,500 Do you need her to testify? 123 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,545 I do if I wanna introduce that email. 124 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,200 Can you prove your case without the email? 125 00:07:23,210 --> 00:07:25,120 Precedent-setting is precedent-setting, 126 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:27,301 Dr. Henderson. No one's ever done this before. 127 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,520 Gotta assume every little bit helps. 128 00:07:29,540 --> 00:07:31,100 She's been through enough. 129 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,649 What the hell are you talking about, Bob? 130 00:07:32,650 --> 00:07:34,580 She was in the O.R. She was in the consult. 131 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,273 She had to know what was going on. 132 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:38,153 You ask me, she hasn't been through enough. 133 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:41,113 What about questioning his training and the investments? 134 00:07:41,130 --> 00:07:43,692 And we have the hospitals moving him around. What? What? 135 00:07:43,710 --> 00:07:45,480 We brought charges of elder abuse. 136 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:46,880 The only way to prove that 137 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,540 is to prove that he was trained well 138 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,960 and that he knew what he was doing, 139 00:07:49,980 --> 00:07:52,618 the whole time, he knew he was going to harm her. 140 00:07:52,630 --> 00:07:53,710 Well, what about the drugs? 141 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,123 That would be helpful, but... 142 00:07:55,140 --> 00:07:57,251 Fine, fantastic. Drag Kayla Gibson in here. 143 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:59,880 Unless Ms. Gibson knew he was high and was with him 144 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:02,461 in surgery that day, it's inadmissible. 145 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,463 - This is ridiculous. - No, it's not. 146 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,931 You came to me to help you stop Duntsch. 147 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:09,301 We have to choose. 148 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,600 If he's our goal, 149 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:13,771 then we have to focus on him and only him. 150 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,143 State, call your first witness. 151 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Drew Sweeney. 152 00:08:19,170 --> 00:08:20,562 - Joe Padua. - Harold Brennan. 153 00:08:20,580 --> 00:08:22,653 - Earl Burke. - Elaine Johnson. 154 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:23,690 Henry Aldrich. 155 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:25,609 - Cindy Tremblay. - Stan Novak. 156 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:27,743 Would you tell us a little about yourself? 157 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,574 I'm 41. 158 00:08:29,590 --> 00:08:33,158 I work for the Collin County Medical Examiner's Office. 159 00:08:33,170 --> 00:08:34,660 I worked for a pool company. 160 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:38,124 My wife, Shelley, was an elementary education teacher. 161 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:40,671 Dorothy and I were married 46 years. 162 00:08:40,690 --> 00:08:43,502 Two kids, nine grandkids. 163 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,046 Commercial construction project manager. 164 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:47,881 Started driving trucks in '98. 165 00:08:47,900 --> 00:08:50,223 Two children... both had better be in school right now. 166 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,052 I'm an air conditioner contractor. 167 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:55,305 What were your symptoms prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch? 168 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,683 - Light back pain. - Lower back pain. 169 00:08:57,700 --> 00:08:59,476 We were decorating the Christmas tree, 170 00:08:59,490 --> 00:09:00,811 and Shelley missed a rung. 171 00:09:00,830 --> 00:09:04,600 - Neck pain. - Pain in the neck and numb pinky. 172 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:05,649 Numbness. 173 00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:07,401 - Tingling in my finger. - Back pain. 174 00:09:07,420 --> 00:09:09,528 Hard to be a mom when you can't pick anything up. 175 00:09:09,540 --> 00:09:12,520 Broke my back. Motorcycle accident. 176 00:09:12,540 --> 00:09:14,908 How did you hear about Dr. Duntsch? 177 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,451 - My doctor. - Family doctor. 178 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:18,164 Website called Best Docs. 179 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:20,373 Baylor Medical website. Five stars. 180 00:09:20,390 --> 00:09:22,440 Seemed like he knew what he was talking about. 181 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:24,840 He told us he was gonna fix her. 182 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:26,551 That's all we needed to know. 183 00:09:26,570 --> 00:09:28,343 Arrogant. 184 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,520 Told me he was the best in the metroplex. 185 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:33,552 So it's the day of the surgery. 186 00:09:33,570 --> 00:09:35,679 I had second thoughts that day. 187 00:09:35,690 --> 00:09:37,220 My understanding was my surgery 188 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,300 was supposed to last a couple of hours. 189 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,727 It took four. 190 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:43,920 When you woke up from surgery, 191 00:09:43,940 --> 00:09:45,314 what was that like? 192 00:09:45,330 --> 00:09:47,340 A nightmare. 193 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,901 I woke up in a nightmare, 194 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,920 tubes coming out of everywhere. 195 00:09:51,940 --> 00:09:54,573 Feeding tubes, drain tubes. 196 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:57,701 I couldn't move, and the pain... 197 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,954 They were pumping me full of blood, 198 00:09:59,970 --> 00:10:01,455 and I didn't know why. 199 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:03,874 I was sore. I hurt. 200 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,792 - I was worse. - Couldn't move, 201 00:10:05,810 --> 00:10:08,378 and my wife told me he'd found a tumor 202 00:10:08,390 --> 00:10:10,593 and had to abort the surgery. 203 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:13,000 It turns out it was a piece of my neck muscle. 204 00:10:13,020 --> 00:10:16,678 Every bone hurt. I was crying. 205 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:19,348 I'm sober, so I can't take the meds. 206 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,016 She never woke up. 207 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:23,441 I went home. I laid around. 208 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:25,180 Wasn't eating or drinking anything 209 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,314 'cause of the sore throat. 210 00:10:27,330 --> 00:10:28,940 I remember being like I was a baby. 211 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,984 You know, like a baby who can't hold himself up. 212 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,000 First thing that went through my mind: 213 00:10:33,020 --> 00:10:34,363 what's he done to me? 214 00:10:34,380 --> 00:10:37,574 He looked at the incision and said everything was fine. 215 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:39,160 He kept repeating himself. 216 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:40,499 He kept saying that what was wrong 217 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:42,079 wasn't related to the surgery. 218 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:43,940 I knew there was something wrong with this guy. 219 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,375 Sorry, man. You looked high as a kite. 220 00:10:46,390 --> 00:10:48,040 - Objection. - Sustained. 221 00:10:48,070 --> 00:10:49,795 Has this changed your life? 222 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,480 I walk with a limp. 223 00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:54,049 I have trouble with incontinence, 224 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:55,634 erectile dysfunction. 225 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,820 I can't sing. 226 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,680 Not that I was ever a good singer, 227 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:05,811 but that's just an everyday reminder. 228 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:07,940 She was the love of my life. 229 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,100 It's hard to get over a broken heart. 230 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,574 Just living one day at a time, just like recovery. 231 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:19,331 I can't play with my children like I used to. 232 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:22,454 I learned ways to control the pain, 233 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:24,955 mostly through prayer and meditation. 234 00:11:24,970 --> 00:11:28,423 I sit in a recliner, watch TV, 235 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,837 a lot of medicine, antidepressants. 236 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,560 I miss her. 237 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,050 She was... 238 00:11:38,070 --> 00:11:43,306 she was a very... very good woman. 239 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:47,140 And that's all I can say. 240 00:11:49,390 --> 00:11:51,920 Can you tell us how old you are? 241 00:11:51,940 --> 00:11:53,960 70. 242 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:57,700 And what did you do for a living? 243 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,310 I was a teacher's aide, 244 00:12:00,330 --> 00:12:04,480 and then I worked in physical therapy for a bit. 245 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:06,747 Ironic. 246 00:12:08,020 --> 00:12:10,680 What took you to Christopher Duntsch? 247 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:13,600 I had back pain for years, 248 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:18,280 and it radiated to the end of my foot. 249 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:21,500 And I tried all the treatments. 250 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,893 Steroid shots, PT. 251 00:12:24,910 --> 00:12:26,475 Nothing worked. 252 00:12:26,490 --> 00:12:28,520 Before you met the defendant, 253 00:12:28,540 --> 00:12:30,064 had you had surgery? 254 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,111 Mm-hmm. 2008. 255 00:12:32,130 --> 00:12:33,482 A laminectomy. 256 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:37,701 It helped for a number of years, 257 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,623 but it didn't last and then my pain management team 258 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,700 referred me to Dr. Duntsch. 259 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,455 How did you feel going into the surgery? 260 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:53,200 Fine. Good. 261 00:12:53,220 --> 00:12:57,400 I walked into the hospital happy, 262 00:12:57,420 --> 00:13:01,920 and I was thinking, "This is gonna fix it." 263 00:13:01,940 --> 00:13:05,972 And how did you feel when you woke up? 264 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,960 I was in pain. 265 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,816 I was in pain, 266 00:13:15,830 --> 00:13:18,420 and no one could tell me what was wrong with me 267 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,113 until Dr. Henderson. 268 00:13:21,130 --> 00:13:27,260 He said that he thought that the fusion was improperly placed, 269 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:32,461 and that something was pressing against a nerve. 270 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,780 He said he didn't want to wait to operate on me, 271 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,171 so they rushed me in. 272 00:13:38,190 --> 00:13:41,842 What happened after Dr. Henderson operated on you? 273 00:13:41,860 --> 00:13:45,101 The pain was much better, and I could... 274 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,523 I could move my right foot a bit, 275 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:50,520 but not my left. 276 00:13:50,540 --> 00:13:54,440 So prior to surgery with Christopher Duntsch, 277 00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:59,484 you had pain, but you could still live life. 278 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:02,800 And now? 279 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,120 I wish I could go back to the days 280 00:14:07,140 --> 00:14:09,913 before I met Christopher Duntsch. 281 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:25,340 Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 282 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,260 Randall Parker Kirby. 283 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,750 I went to Rice undergrad. Baylor for medical school. 284 00:14:30,770 --> 00:14:33,935 Stayed at Baylor for my five-year general surgery residency 285 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:36,146 as well as my two-year vascular surgery fellowship. 286 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:40,000 I have privileges at every major hospital in Dallas, 287 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:42,380 including Baylor, Medical City Dallas, 288 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,862 Medical City Children's, 289 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,649 Methodist, Dallas Medical, Presbyterian, 290 00:14:47,650 --> 00:14:50,480 and approximately 40 other smaller hospitals 291 00:14:50,510 --> 00:14:53,705 and outpatient surgery centers here in the metroplex. 292 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,293 My area of expertise is anterior spinal access. 293 00:14:58,310 --> 00:15:00,640 I work with most of the neurosurgical 294 00:15:00,660 --> 00:15:03,844 and orthopedic spine surgeons here in DFW. 295 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:08,000 I open up the chest and the abdomen so they can correct 296 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:10,974 whatever deformity they need to correct in the front. 297 00:15:10,990 --> 00:15:16,481 I perform between two to four of these operations per day. 298 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:18,800 Five... call it six days a week. 299 00:15:18,820 --> 00:15:22,863 I do hernias, gallbladders, 300 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,487 blockages of the legs and the neck arteries, anyone? 301 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:30,170 But my area of expertise and the chapters I've published 302 00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:32,077 have all been on anterior spine access. 303 00:15:32,090 --> 00:15:34,000 And were you called in on a case 304 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:36,211 regarding a patient named Joe Padua? 305 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:40,360 Yeah, he works with the company that takes care of my pool. 306 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:42,760 I was asked to come in, lend a hand. 307 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:44,506 It seemed nobody else was available. 308 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:45,548 Available? 309 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,931 Nobody wanted to work with him. 310 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:48,080 Objection. 311 00:15:48,110 --> 00:15:49,479 The witness has no way of knowing that. 312 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:50,780 Oh, I do. 313 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,049 - Sustained. - Eh. 314 00:15:53,050 --> 00:15:56,280 Did you know Dr. Duntsch prior to this surgery? 315 00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:58,981 I met him one time before we had a conversation. 316 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,040 I was scrubbing in on a case, and he tried to convince me 317 00:16:03,070 --> 00:16:06,236 that he was the best spine surgeon in town. 318 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,910 I found the conversation disturbing. 319 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:12,704 I mean, sure, most surgeons are superior sons of guns, 320 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,413 some would even say yours truly, 321 00:16:14,430 --> 00:16:17,001 but this guy was next level. 322 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:19,501 I mean, he tried to tell me that all the surgeries in Dallas 323 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,167 were being performed incorrectly. 324 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,510 And what did you observe during your operation with him? 325 00:16:25,530 --> 00:16:28,340 An anterior lumbar fusion at L5-S1 326 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,700 is about the easiest procedure a spine surgeon can perform, 327 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,683 and he just struggled. 328 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:35,239 I mean, he was functioning at the level 329 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,983 of a first-or second-year resident. 330 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,814 Instead of using a scalpel to remove the disc, 331 00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:44,315 he just started grabbing at it with a double-action rongeur. 332 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,050 All right, imagine, instead of using a pizza slicer 333 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:51,994 to divide and conquer your extra-large pepperoni, 334 00:16:52,010 --> 00:16:55,453 you went after it with a pair of lockjaw pliers. 335 00:16:55,470 --> 00:16:57,912 Not appetizing, right? 336 00:16:57,930 --> 00:17:01,180 Did it appear to you that there was more blood loss 337 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,003 - than there should be? - When he was taking the disc out, 338 00:17:04,020 --> 00:17:05,631 he took off a bit of bone 339 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:08,673 from the bottom of the L5 vertebral body. 340 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,260 In surgical parlance, he violated the endplate. 341 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,641 Very difficult to do in healthy bone. 342 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:16,431 He did the same thing to the sacrum. 343 00:17:16,450 --> 00:17:18,660 When you start chewing into bone, 344 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,854 you get a lot of bleeding. 345 00:17:19,870 --> 00:17:23,861 It's not easy to stop bleeding when it's coming from bone. 346 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,357 You're just really not supposed to do that. 347 00:17:26,370 --> 00:17:28,735 What are you supposed to do? 348 00:17:28,750 --> 00:17:30,920 Curet off the cartilage. 349 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:32,783 A curet is like a scraper. 350 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,491 You scrape off all the cartilage 351 00:17:34,510 --> 00:17:35,920 so you can get a proper fusion, 352 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:37,820 and then heal bone to bone. 353 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,003 When did you leave the surgery? 354 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:43,780 Midway, I was called into a previously scheduled operation. 355 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,253 - Grudgingly. - Grudgingly. Why grudgingly? 356 00:17:52,990 --> 00:17:56,393 He was the neurosurgeon. He was in charge. 357 00:17:56,410 --> 00:17:57,974 I did my job. 358 00:17:57,990 --> 00:18:03,440 I did my best to guide him, and then I left. 359 00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:08,140 In hindsight, I suppose I could have dragged him out of there. 360 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:11,736 If there's ever a next time, I will. 361 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:18,030 - State passes. - Defense. 362 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,380 You stated that Dr. Duntsch was operating at the level 363 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,258 of a first-or second-year surgical resident. 364 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:36,931 How many years does a neurosurgical resident typically study? 365 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:38,500 Six. 366 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,811 And would that include his training? 367 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:43,240 Or lack thereof. 368 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:47,560 Or lack thereof. 369 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,526 Well said. 370 00:18:51,530 --> 00:18:54,279 Defense passes the witness. 371 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:57,198 We stand in recess until tomorrow. 372 00:19:12,380 --> 00:19:15,670 We can shift the blame to your training. 373 00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:21,260 My training was some of the best in the world. 374 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,517 No, it was some of the worst. 375 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,260 What are you talking about? 376 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,460 We'll say you slipped through the cracks. 377 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,139 You were told you were good enough to graduate, 378 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:32,569 but you didn't have enough training hours. 379 00:19:32,570 --> 00:19:35,163 Your financial ties to Skadden 380 00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:37,460 and the rest of the investors blinded them to your... 381 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,656 - to your flaws. - Stop. 382 00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:41,451 The entire medical community of Dallas should have recognized it. 383 00:19:41,470 --> 00:19:44,380 Instead, they simply moved you from hospital to hospital. 384 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,000 You are erasing my legacy. 385 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,500 Legacy? 386 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,131 Christopher, you're done. 387 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:58,160 - Fuck you. Fuck you. - You'll never practice medicine again. 388 00:19:58,180 --> 00:20:00,439 And why aren't you pushing back on any of their witnesses? 389 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,936 How exactly would I do that, Chris? 390 00:20:01,950 --> 00:20:03,890 I don't know. That's your job, isn't it? 391 00:20:03,910 --> 00:20:04,920 You break them down. 392 00:20:04,930 --> 00:20:06,079 - You tell them they're wrong. - Chris... 393 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,650 You get them to admit... admit whatever it was 394 00:20:08,670 --> 00:20:10,659 that they lied to me about that messed up their surgery. 395 00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:13,380 - Chris... - You do something to defend me. 396 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,817 The only witness, 397 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:16,570 the only defense that I have right now 398 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,571 is gonna speak to your narcissism. 399 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,540 Our best bet is to prove 400 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,400 that you never should have practiced medicine. 401 00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:27,120 Give me this. Please give me this, 402 00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:29,519 and we might be able to save you. 403 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,220 Thanks for being here today, Mr. Summers. 404 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,120 Can you tell us how you know Mr. Duntsch? 405 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,000 We were classmates. 406 00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:35,320 Went to high school together. 407 00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:36,620 Lost touch. 408 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,201 Reconnected when he returned to medical school in Memphis. 409 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:43,580 What led you to have surgery with Mr. Duntsch? 410 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,410 Sharp, stabbing-like sticking pain in my neck. 411 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:48,751 Numbness. 412 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:50,455 Did he explain the risks? 413 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:52,332 He advised it was dangerous. 414 00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:55,543 He promised to take care of me. 415 00:21:55,550 --> 00:21:59,547 What did you do the night before the surgery? 416 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,100 Watched a game. Basketball. 417 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,160 Then I went to bed around 10:00. 418 00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:19,776 May... maybe more like 11:30. 419 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,730 What's the first thing you remember after the surgery? 420 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,440 I could barely move. 421 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:35,100 I just kind of started freaking out, hollering. 422 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,584 Wanting to know what was going on. 423 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,921 And did Chris come and talk to you? 424 00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:44,181 Not at first, but eventually. 425 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,380 And then they took me in for a second surgery, 426 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,020 and when I got out, I couldn't move at all. 427 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,030 Do you remember making a statement in the ICU 428 00:22:53,050 --> 00:22:55,580 that you and Chris were doing cocaine together 429 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,280 the night prior to surgery? 430 00:23:04,940 --> 00:23:07,920 I wanted to see him. 431 00:23:07,940 --> 00:23:12,745 He wasn't coming around, and I... I was mad. 432 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,461 I made it up. 433 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,383 He was my doctor. 434 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,801 I wanted to know why I couldn't move. He was in charge. 435 00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:25,049 He wouldn't come see me. 436 00:23:26,140 --> 00:23:28,460 And he was your friend? 437 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:34,500 Let the record show the witness nodded. 438 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,811 He was your best friend? 439 00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:41,190 Let the record show the witness nodded. 440 00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:45,445 And he abandoned you? 441 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,600 The State passes the witness. 442 00:23:59,020 --> 00:24:03,210 I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. 443 00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:10,223 You and Chris played football together, yes? 444 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,260 That's right. 445 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,393 And did you have some victories 446 00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:16,601 and some not-so-great games? 447 00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:19,729 Yeah. 448 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:22,071 And how did Chris deal with those games? 449 00:24:22,090 --> 00:24:26,235 Did he always go in and always try to do his best? 450 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:28,571 Yeah. 451 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,540 Were you aware that he was in a fellowship program 452 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,828 studying under Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 453 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,200 Yes. 454 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:39,930 And from your understanding, was it very important, 455 00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:42,126 what he was doing for Dr. Skadden? 456 00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:45,129 Yeah. 457 00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:47,660 And things like doing surgeries 458 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,440 while he was there under Skadden's supervision, 459 00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:54,684 that was important to becoming a successful surgeon? 460 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,015 Yeah. 461 00:24:56,030 --> 00:24:59,233 Did you ever see Chris get out of obligations 462 00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:00,895 that he had at school? 463 00:25:02,430 --> 00:25:04,234 I felt that way sometimes. 464 00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:06,241 Can you give us an example of that? 465 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:09,953 Like, something that you saw or that made you think that? 466 00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:13,520 I can just remember maybe making a phone call to a doctor, 467 00:25:13,540 --> 00:25:15,660 maybe Dr. Skadden or another doctor, 468 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,413 to say that he had stuff to do for DiscGenics. 469 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:25,620 And I can remember them let him out whatever he had to do. 470 00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:27,763 When you would find out that Dr. Skadden 471 00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:29,880 and/or some other doctor would just excuse him 472 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,135 from doing things at school in lieu of staying in the lab, 473 00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:34,379 I mean, did you think that was a problem? 474 00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:35,900 I never knew that, 475 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,891 you know, what was happening, and so I... I... 476 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,580 I don't know what he was missing or where he was going. 477 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,522 - So I... I don't know. - Okay. 478 00:25:44,540 --> 00:25:48,440 Well, did you ever meet any one of his classmates, 479 00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:51,380 or anyone who went to the University of Tennessee Med School, 480 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,940 and talk to them about the rigors 481 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,033 of completing medical school and completing that fellowship? 482 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:58,450 I don't remember. 483 00:25:58,470 --> 00:26:00,570 You don't remember anyone saying 484 00:26:00,590 --> 00:26:03,630 that he only got through medical school 485 00:26:03,650 --> 00:26:04,959 because Skadden liked him? 486 00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:07,460 I heard that after... you know, 487 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,422 something similar to that since my surgery. 488 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,675 Do you remember who that was that told you that or is that... 489 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,720 I heard it from a friend who heard it from another friend, 490 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:17,180 and he made a comment 491 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,601 that Chris was able to circumvent the program. 492 00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:25,354 Did they attribute that circumventing to Dr. Skadden 493 00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:27,360 - or some other doctor or both? - I don't know. 494 00:26:27,380 --> 00:26:28,858 - I don't... I don't know. - Okay. 495 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:30,073 I don't know. 496 00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:32,539 - Okay, you said you understood... - I think what they attributed to 497 00:26:32,540 --> 00:26:34,249 is the fact that they had companies with them. 498 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,680 Well, that was the next thing I was gonna ask you about. 499 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,413 You said they had companies with him. 500 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:43,501 They gave all the funds to those companies. 501 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,600 Right. 502 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:46,250 For him to do the research, right? 503 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,918 Right. 504 00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:50,593 Okay, and it was very important 505 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:52,780 that research be successful 506 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,540 to those companies. Is that correct? 507 00:26:56,860 --> 00:26:58,420 Yeah. 508 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,523 Now, when Chris moved here, 509 00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:02,273 did he cut off all work 510 00:27:02,290 --> 00:27:05,403 with Dr. Skadden and DiscGenics? 511 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:06,460 Not that I know of. 512 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,080 So Chris came to Dallas, 513 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:11,280 and he worked at the Minimally Invasive Spine Institute. 514 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,194 - Is that correct? - Yeah. 515 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,074 And while he was working there, 516 00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:17,360 he was being pursued by Amy Piel 517 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:19,241 at Baylor-Plano. Is that correct? 518 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:20,871 Well, she was interested in having 519 00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:22,787 a successful clinic on the property. 520 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,461 Mm-hmm. All to herself. 521 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,020 Because if he was with Missy, 522 00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:33,950 she wasn't getting all the fees that he would generate. 523 00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:37,550 Yeah. 524 00:27:37,570 --> 00:27:43,860 So both the chair of his fellowship, 525 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,930 the person responsible for his training, 526 00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:48,160 and one of the largest hospitals 527 00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:52,240 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area had financial reasons 528 00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:56,840 for ensuring that Christopher Duntsch was successful. 529 00:28:01,860 --> 00:28:03,285 I'd say so. 530 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,630 Defense passes the witness. 531 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,752 Redirect. 532 00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:16,840 Did Christopher ever visit you after the surgery? 533 00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:19,480 After you returned home to Memphis? 534 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,340 Once. He came to visit. 535 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:27,727 What did you talk about? 536 00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:33,380 His baby, his practice. 537 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,192 Nothing in depth. 538 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:37,653 Did he ask about you? 539 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,000 About what was happening in your life? 540 00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:47,621 No. 541 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,963 Ms. McClung said that she was sorry 542 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:53,400 for what happened to you, 543 00:28:53,420 --> 00:28:56,505 even though she has no connection to your surgery. 544 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,240 Has Christopher ever said he was sorry? 545 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:10,060 No. 546 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:17,193 Final question, Mr. Summers. 547 00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:19,451 He's here now. 548 00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:22,163 Is there anything you want to say to him? 549 00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:24,742 - Objection. - Sustained. 550 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,990 I love you. 551 00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:34,251 The jury will disregard that last statement. 552 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,170 The State has no further questions. 553 00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:52,019 Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 554 00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:54,071 Major Kimberly Morgan. 555 00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:55,573 United States Air Force. 556 00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:57,820 And are you currently out on deployment 557 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,735 in a location you cannot disclose? 558 00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:01,680 Yes, ma'am, due to security. 559 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,400 Are you familiar with a person named Christopher Duntsch? 560 00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:07,880 Yes, ma'am. I ran the office at his clinic 561 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,333 and assisted in surgery. 562 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:11,900 Can you tell us what the defendant was like? 563 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,957 His demeanor? 564 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,668 Caring, kind, 565 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,840 always very nice to the patients. 566 00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:19,423 He took time to listen to them. 567 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,300 And did that change over the course of the time you were with him? 568 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,853 Yes, after the event in February 2012. 569 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:31,360 The event? 570 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,770 Jerry Summers' surgery. 571 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,280 Mr. Summers wasn't able to use his limbs, 572 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:45,960 was having difficulty breathing, 573 00:30:45,980 --> 00:30:48,430 and then he talked about how he and Dr. Duntsch 574 00:30:48,450 --> 00:30:51,100 were doing cocaine the night before the surgery. 575 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,800 You were ordered to take a drug test? 576 00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:57,464 Myself and Dr. Duntsch. I took it right away that day. 577 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,131 - Did the defendant? - Eventually. 578 00:31:00,140 --> 00:31:03,507 It came back clean, and Baylor reinstated his privileges. 579 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,636 Shelley Brennan would be the last patient you assisted on? 580 00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:10,780 Yes. 581 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,517 What do you remember about her surgery? 582 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:25,900 It's a simple surgery. 583 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,840 In one day, home the next. 584 00:31:32,650 --> 00:31:37,416 This is an email from Duntsch@TNIclinic.net 585 00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:39,585 to Kimberly Morgan. 586 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,801 The subject is "Occam's Razor." 587 00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:46,660 "Kim, unfortunately, you cannot understand 588 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,159 "that I really am building an empire, 589 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,020 "and I am so far outside the box 590 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,311 "that the Earth is small and the Sun is bright. 591 00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:58,880 "Anyone close to me 592 00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:03,070 "thinks that I'm likely something between God, Einstein, 593 00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:04,980 and the Antichrist... 594 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,488 Because how can I do anything that I want 595 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,140 across any discipline boundary 596 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,240 like it's a playground and never ever lose? 597 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:15,740 Unfortunately, despite the fact that I am winning, 598 00:32:15,762 --> 00:32:18,044 it is not happening fast enough. 599 00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:20,160 What is the problem, Kim? 600 00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:23,540 It is simply that everyone else is human, 601 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,340 and there's nothing I can do about it. 602 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,431 So I pick and choose my humans 603 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:32,360 and try to help them. 604 00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:36,200 You, my child, 605 00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:41,260 are the only one standing between me and the other side. 606 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,720 I am ready to leave the love and kindness and goodness 607 00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:50,760 and patience that I mixed with everything else that I am 608 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:53,450 and become a cold-blooded killer. 609 00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:57,380 The sad fact is, I could go faster, do better, 610 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,500 catch more honor and respect 611 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,920 by fucking everybody in the brain, 612 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:03,836 emotionally and mentally controlling them 613 00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:06,171 in a manner that borders on abuse, 614 00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:10,473 taking no prisoners, sending everyone in my way, 615 00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:13,641 especially that fucks with me, to hell 616 00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:16,680 for the simple fact that they thought they could. 617 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,150 What I am being as what I am, 618 00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:26,194 one of a kind, 619 00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:30,821 a motherfucker stone-cold killer. 620 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,077 I'll pass my witness, Your Honor. 621 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,320 I don't think it's morning where you are, but good morning. 622 00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:47,580 Now, the State is making a big deal out of this email 623 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,220 they just read. 624 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,176 Did you know Christopher liked poetry? 625 00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:53,974 I found out later. 626 00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:57,771 But you're not surprised by his... his flowery language. 627 00:33:57,790 --> 00:33:59,919 I mean, he sent emails like that one quite often, 628 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,180 - didn't he? - Yes. 629 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,730 Do you think Dr. Duntsch was a cold-blooded killer? 630 00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:06,180 No. 631 00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,243 Now, it's no secret that you and Dr. Duntsch 632 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:12,020 had an intimate relationship. 633 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,000 We know that involves sex, 634 00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:16,740 but was there an emotional element? 635 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,940 - Meaning? - Well, among the people in his life, 636 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,372 based on everything you saw 637 00:34:22,390 --> 00:34:25,044 working with him day in and day out, 638 00:34:25,060 --> 00:34:26,418 sleeping with him, 639 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:28,560 you thought you were pretty close? 640 00:34:28,580 --> 00:34:29,797 I thought so. 641 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:34,885 Close enough that perhaps you didn't allow yourself to see the truth? 642 00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,179 The truth? 643 00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:39,271 About his abilities. 644 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:40,808 I don't understand. 645 00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:43,393 Was he a good surgeon? 646 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,300 That's outside my area of expertise. 647 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,566 You were in his office. You were in the O.R. 648 00:34:49,580 --> 00:34:51,153 You don't have a professional opinion? 649 00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:52,444 No. 650 00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:55,320 Okay, well, after Shelley Brennan, 651 00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:57,583 did you ever work with Dr. Duntsch again? 652 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,118 - No. - Why not? 653 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:03,160 I didn't wanna be in that environment anymore. 654 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:05,666 That environment? What environment? 655 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,320 Unhealthy, you know? 656 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:16,380 You mean the environment in which patients 657 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,761 were being maimed and killed? 658 00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:19,680 - Objection. - Sustained. 659 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:21,431 Just one more question. 660 00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:26,478 If you believed that Dr. Duntsch wanted to hurt patients, 661 00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:28,821 you certainly would go and tell somebody about that, 662 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,107 wouldn't you? 663 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:37,320 Yes, ma'am. 664 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:41,750 Pass the witness. 665 00:35:41,770 --> 00:35:46,133 Stay safe, Ms. Morgan, wherever you've gone. 666 00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:03,557 How are you feeling? 667 00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:08,691 If they ask me questions about Duntsch's training, 668 00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:11,106 I can't promise you what I'm going to say. 669 00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:15,152 Yeah. 670 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,030 If we can't present our entire case, 671 00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:22,451 the good, bad, everything, 672 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:25,293 if we can't lay it all out and still win, 673 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:27,171 then we shouldn't win. 674 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,240 - You take that call. - Hey, Ma. Hang on a sec. 675 00:36:32,260 --> 00:36:34,630 Dr. Henderson. 676 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,468 If they ask, answer how you want. 677 00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:42,780 Thank you. 678 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:47,220 Yeah, I'm here. 679 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,880 We asked you here to give your opinion 680 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,049 on four different cases the defendant performed. 681 00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:21,718 What surgery did the defendant recommend for Jerry Summers? 682 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:26,893 An anterior cervical fusion at C3-4 and C4-5. 683 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:29,420 What was the outcome of Mr. Summer's surgery? 684 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,145 He was rendered a quadriplegic. 685 00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:35,690 Would you walk us through it? 686 00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:37,317 There was a lot of bleeding. 687 00:37:37,330 --> 00:37:39,060 - Suction. - Suction. 688 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,322 Sponge. Give me a sponge. 689 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,994 How many CCs were lost? 690 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:52,290 A typical loss is somewhere between 25 and 200 CCs. 691 00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:55,627 Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs. 692 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,922 What accounts for that amount of blood loss? 693 00:37:58,940 --> 00:38:01,049 Injuring a major structure. 694 00:38:01,060 --> 00:38:02,120 Pituitary. 695 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:07,400 He removed the disc from C3-4 and C4-5, as he was supposed to do, 696 00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:11,059 and then he removed a tremendous amount of bone on the left side. 697 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:15,272 Over a third of the vertebral body. 698 00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:18,775 And in doing so, he lacerated the vertebral artery. 699 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,400 The defendant chose to go back in for a second surgery. 700 00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:29,163 What procedure did he perform? 701 00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:30,700 Double action. 702 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,631 A laminectomy in order to relieve pressure on the spine. 703 00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:36,668 But by removing excessive bone 704 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,760 from both the front and the back, 705 00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:41,640 you're compromising the entire structure. 706 00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:43,216 In layman's terms? 707 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,472 His head was barely attached to his spine. 708 00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:53,894 Let's move on to Shelley Brennan. 709 00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:56,360 The surgery Duntsch recommended, 710 00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:58,774 was that a surgery that would fix her issue? 711 00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:59,980 Yes. 712 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,300 What was the outcome of Mrs. Brennan's operation? 713 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,360 She died. 714 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,360 Is that normal for this type of procedure? 715 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:10,730 Mortalities are less than 1 in 10,000. 716 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:15,400 The pituitary rongeur went through the ligament in the front 717 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:17,580 and lacerated the iliac vessels 718 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,540 that lie directly on the side. 719 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,900 - So Mrs. Brennan was bleeding? - Heavily. 720 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,851 Would there have been blood visible in the operative site? 721 00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:28,178 Sometimes, yes. 722 00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:30,389 It doesn't appear to have been the case here, 723 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,933 but they should have noticed a drop in her blood pressure. 724 00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:37,560 Should a neurosurgeon know that a drop in blood pressure 725 00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:39,439 means there's a bleed somewhere? 726 00:39:39,450 --> 00:39:42,859 It's a fundamental rule, 727 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:47,280 but the likelihood of them being able to address the issue is small. 728 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:50,325 They'd call in a vascular surgeon for assistance. 729 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,030 But he didn't do that. 730 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,040 No. 731 00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,780 Dorothy Burke. 732 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,134 Mrs. Burke had a previous anterior cervical fusion 733 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:08,141 at C5-6 and C6-7 that resolved her symptoms for a time, 734 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,690 but she began experiencing neck and shoulder pain 735 00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:13,460 that had nothing to do with her prior surgery. 736 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,220 Dr. Duntsch diagnosed a disc protrusion at C4-5 737 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:20,772 and a disc extrusion at the C7 T1 level. 738 00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:25,364 He sliced through the vertebral artery again. 739 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,300 We've been talking a lot about the vertebral artery. 740 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,998 Is it common for it to be hit during surgery? 741 00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:39,400 Exceptionally rare. 742 00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:41,460 - How many times have you hit it? - Never. 743 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,796 And what happened to Mrs. Burke after her surgery? 744 00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:48,380 Her heart rate elevated. She couldn't open her eyes. 745 00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:51,970 No verbal response to questioning or commands. 746 00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:56,683 And what does that indicate to anyone in the medical field? 747 00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:58,640 An impending disaster. 748 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,234 What should Mr. Duntsch have done 749 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:04,000 as soon as he was informed of that information? 750 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:06,400 Physically examine the patient. 751 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:08,800 Order appropriate studies. Scans. 752 00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:11,260 They were ordered by the ICU physician, 753 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,283 which showed she was brain dead. 754 00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:20,665 Where was Dr. Duntsch? 755 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,751 He was operating on Madeline Beyer. 756 00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:25,880 Had the defendant focused on Dorothy Burke 757 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,422 rather than Madeline Beyer, 758 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,341 would she still be alive today? 759 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,804 Based on what I know 760 00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:32,580 of Dr. Duntsch's approach to surgery, 761 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,351 Mrs. Burke was dead the moment she agreed for him to operate. 762 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,723 Objection. 763 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:38,080 Sustained. 764 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,480 Madeline Beyer? 765 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,482 Mrs. Beyer is the reason I'm sitting here today. 766 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,320 I... I tried to fix her. 767 00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:53,380 One of the screws was violating the spinal canal, 768 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,535 damaging dura and nerve roots. 769 00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:58,660 How do you know when you've hit the dura? 770 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,164 Cerebral spinal fluid leaks out. 771 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:05,418 I found evidence of three attempted screw placements 772 00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:08,080 on the left side where he put no screws. 773 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,470 The most disturbing part was, 774 00:42:12,490 --> 00:42:15,640 the entire reason he was operating 775 00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:19,140 was to remove the disc, and he didn't touch it. 776 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,854 What did he take out? 777 00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:24,100 A large piece of the psoas muscle. 778 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,731 He made a portal through that muscle 779 00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:29,289 and stuffed an implant in there. 780 00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:30,863 Cage. 781 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,589 Is a trained neurosurgeon 782 00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:36,658 going to know the difference between bone and muscle? 783 00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:38,291 - Yes. - Mallet. 784 00:42:38,310 --> 00:42:40,161 Would a trained neurosurgeon know 785 00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:43,173 that by malpositioning the interbody device, 786 00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:45,750 he was reasonably certain to cause her injury? 787 00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:48,440 - Yes. - Would a trained neurosurgeon 788 00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:52,173 have been aware that if he malpositioned the pedicle screws, 789 00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:55,927 he was reasonably certain to cause her serious bodily injury? 790 00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:57,391 Yes. 791 00:42:57,410 --> 00:43:00,348 Would a trained neurosurgeon have been aware 792 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,540 that if he amputated the nerve root, 793 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,146 he was reasonably certain to cause her serious bodily injury? 794 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,941 - Yes. - The way the surgical tools were used 795 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,533 in Madeline Beyer's case, 796 00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:13,680 do you think they were used in a manner 797 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:17,690 that was capable of causing death or serious bodily injury? 798 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,704 Yes. 799 00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:25,440 We pass the witness. 800 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:34,580 Dr. Henderson, Ms. Shughart made quite the point 801 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,183 that a trained neurosurgeon 802 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,306 should have done this or done that. 803 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,520 You're aware Christopher has both an MD and a PhD 804 00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:47,395 - from the University of Tennessee. - I am. 805 00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:51,440 UT isn't some fly-by-night medical school. 806 00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:52,953 It's not like one of those in... 807 00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:55,362 in Guadalajara or Granada, is it? 808 00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:57,460 No, it's in Memphis. 809 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,700 Do you know Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 810 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:04,171 - Does he have a good reputation? - I do, and he does. 811 00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:06,080 And what was he responsible for 812 00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:07,999 in Christopher Duntsch's training? 813 00:44:08,010 --> 00:44:11,630 After Dr. Duntsch finished his residency at UT, 814 00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:14,589 he came under the tutelage of Dr. Skadden 815 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,820 for a fellowship training 816 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,343 in minimally invasive spine surgery. 817 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,680 Were you familiar with the fact that Dr. Duntsch 818 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:23,540 was doing medical cancer research on the side 819 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,476 and that Dr. Skadden was involved in that research? 820 00:44:26,490 --> 00:44:28,063 I wasn't at the time, no. 821 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,651 Should any doctor under any circumstances 822 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:36,111 have their surgical training hours disrupted by research? 823 00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:37,324 Absolutely not. 824 00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:40,480 So a neurosurgical resident or fellow 825 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:42,784 can't just skip those hours. 826 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,369 The supervisor has to sign off, no matter the excuse. 827 00:44:45,370 --> 00:44:46,380 Correct. 828 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,248 Do the doctors in charge of the program 829 00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:50,500 have to sign off that they're qualified 830 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,431 - to go and operate? - Yes. 831 00:44:52,432 --> 00:44:55,840 Did Dr. Skadden write letters of recommendation 832 00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:56,971 for Dr. Duntsch? 833 00:44:56,980 --> 00:45:00,700 Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch was a satisfactory surgeon 834 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,095 in his fellowship. 835 00:45:02,110 --> 00:45:05,390 Well, had Dr. Skadden heard what was happening in Texas? 836 00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:08,880 Yes, because he had mentioned poor outcomes at Baylor 837 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:11,730 when filling out a credentialing form at Forest Park. 838 00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:12,840 Do you have any idea 839 00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:15,440 why he wouldn't have explicitly told these hospitals 840 00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:17,533 not to hire Dr. Duntsch? 841 00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:20,331 Dr. Skadden said that he had to write recommendations 842 00:45:20,350 --> 00:45:23,074 based on what he'd witnessed in his program. 843 00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:25,994 He couldn't speak to whatever was happening in Texas. 844 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:27,740 He didn't write any more recommendations 845 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,497 for Mr. Duntsch after we spoke. 846 00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:32,631 Has there ever been an instance 847 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:37,213 in which a doctor was sued for not writing a recommendation? 848 00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:39,513 Yes. 849 00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:41,721 Well, that's frightening, is it not? 850 00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:43,460 It is to me. 851 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,231 So Skadden had to sign off on him, 852 00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:48,680 or he wouldn't have been able to get their credentials? 853 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:49,726 Correct. 854 00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:52,573 I mean, Baylor wouldn't let somebody just walk in off the street, 855 00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:54,940 - start doing neurosurgery. - Well, I also assumed 856 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,400 they would have reported the outcomes of his surgeries 857 00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:58,651 to the authorities. 858 00:45:58,670 --> 00:46:00,140 As a matter of fact, 859 00:46:00,170 --> 00:46:04,600 they didn't say anything negative to anybody. 860 00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:09,078 Neurosurgery is a big moneymaker. 861 00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:11,980 Do you think the corporate level of the hospital 862 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,760 was more interested in making money 863 00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:17,045 than in protecting their patients? 864 00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:29,193 Yes, I do. 865 00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:32,653 I think everyone was more interested in making money 866 00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:34,403 and protecting themselves 867 00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:36,940 rather than protecting their patients. 868 00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:44,640 Thank you for the truth, Dr. Henderson. 869 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:47,020 No more questions. 870 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,060 I'd like to add something. 871 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,580 Redirect. 872 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,200 Anything you'd like to add? 873 00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:59,440 Everyone knows the first tenet 874 00:46:59,460 --> 00:47:03,007 of the Hippocratic Oath, "First, do no harm". 875 00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:07,011 But there are others. 876 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:10,443 "I will respect the hard-won scientific gains 877 00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:14,560 of the physicians in whose steps I've walked." 878 00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:15,603 He did not. 879 00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:18,781 "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, 880 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,780 "all majors which are required, 881 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,580 "avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment 882 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,656 and therapeutic nihilism." 883 00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:28,454 He did not. 884 00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:31,211 "I will not be ashamed to say I know not, 885 00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:33,746 "nor will I fail to call them my colleagues 886 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,254 "when the skills of another are needed 887 00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:38,180 for a patient's recovery." 888 00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:40,962 He did not. 889 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,850 Had I performed any of the 33 surgeries 890 00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:49,637 in the manner that he performed them, 891 00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:51,854 I never would have allowed myself 892 00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:54,800 into an operating room again. 893 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,645 Any one of them. 894 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,800 Not ever again. 895 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,400 The State flooded you 896 00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:21,360 with every possible patient they could, 897 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:25,263 but Madeline Beyer's case is the case the State chose 898 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,259 to go to trial on, so let's focus there. 899 00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:30,060 Now, according to the state, 900 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,480 Dr. Duntsch didn't head into Madeline Beyer's surgery to fix her... 901 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,517 he wanted to hurt her... 902 00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:39,020 but that's not what the evidence shows. 903 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:45,360 The evidence shows he was a suboptimal surgeon. 904 00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:47,920 Now, are we trying to blame the hospitals? 905 00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:50,454 No. Are we trying to blame Dr. Skadden? 906 00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:53,034 No, but the State asked time and time again, 907 00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:57,213 what would a well-trained surgeon do? 908 00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:59,120 I mean, what did Dr. Henderson tell you? 909 00:48:59,140 --> 00:49:01,650 He got on the phone, called Skadden, 910 00:49:01,673 --> 00:49:03,593 and said, "Hey, we got this guy here. 911 00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:06,480 "It says he graduated from your medical school, 912 00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:07,882 "went to your fellowship, 913 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:10,561 and I need you to stop recommending him." 914 00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:15,340 And Skadden replied, "Yes, he did train at my fellowship. 915 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,193 But I don't know what to do." 916 00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:20,484 Because Skadden has figured out, 917 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,606 "I screwed up. I let him out." 918 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:25,260 I mean, Jerry Summers told you, 919 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,321 he let him out of surgeries in order to do research. 920 00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:33,908 Now, you don't get to punish Dr. Skadden. 921 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,980 You don't get to punish Baylor. 922 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,037 You don't get to punish Dallas Medical, 923 00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:41,457 but you have the right to know what they didn't do. 924 00:49:41,470 --> 00:49:44,674 They didn't report him. 925 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:46,423 They didn't challenge him. 926 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,970 They didn't tell him 927 00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:50,460 that he was a suboptimal surgeon 928 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,969 who needs to find other work. 929 00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:56,556 If you're a teacher and the children don't do well, 930 00:49:56,570 --> 00:50:00,435 your principal tells you you're a suboptimal teacher. 931 00:50:00,450 --> 00:50:02,233 If you're a mechanic 932 00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:04,500 and the cars you're working on keep breaking down, 933 00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:07,404 you're told you're a suboptimal mechanic. 934 00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:11,701 If you're a pilot and you can't land, 935 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:15,324 well, you're told you can't do this anymore. 936 00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:18,124 Well, Baylor does the opposite. 937 00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:21,164 They allow him to resign. 938 00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:24,171 And then they send a clearing letter to Dallas Medical, 939 00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:26,591 who hires him and then watches 940 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,723 as three surgeries in as many days go bad. 941 00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:34,353 And what do they do? Nothing. 942 00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:36,000 They don't report him 943 00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:38,773 to the National Practitioner's Data Bank 944 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:40,523 or the Texas Medical Board. 945 00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:47,030 They allow this poorly-trained suboptimal surgeon to move on. 946 00:50:49,210 --> 00:50:52,780 The system broke down from the very beginning. 947 00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:57,116 Now, I don't envy your jobs. 948 00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:59,220 Both sides have their own perceptions 949 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,220 of... of what happened, 950 00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,580 but you're the sole judges of the facts. 951 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,860 Render your verdict according to the law, 952 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,593 not according to emotions 953 00:51:09,610 --> 00:51:12,381 or sympathies or sending a message. 954 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,143 It's about whether or not the State has proven to you 955 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,262 that a crime was committed. 956 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,891 It was a failure. 957 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,810 It was a human failure, 958 00:51:25,830 --> 00:51:31,660 a systemic failure, 959 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,640 but it wasn't a crime. 960 00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:38,950 On July 25th, 2012, 961 00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:42,500 Christopher Duntsch went into surgery with Madeline Beyer, 962 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,288 an elderly individual. 963 00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,660 He crippled her. 964 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,711 Pedicle screws, drilled and redrilled. 965 00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:55,093 Nerves shredded. Leaking dural sacs. 966 00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:57,593 Muscles hacked into. 967 00:51:57,610 --> 00:52:00,020 These things happened. 968 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,500 But was it intentional? 969 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,560 How do you know what he intended? 970 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:12,380 You look at what he does before, during, and after. 971 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,000 He lied, about "this is normal pain." 972 00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:18,244 "This is something new. 973 00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:20,533 "I didn't do this to you. 974 00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:22,743 "It's simply swelling, Jerry. 975 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,288 "Surgery went fine, Madeline. 976 00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:27,633 "It's the surgical team's fault. 977 00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:32,620 Your wives are dead, Earl, Harold." 978 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,841 Look at them. 979 00:52:36,860 --> 00:52:42,460 Look at the faces of the lives that were ruined. 980 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,460 We didn't bring them to you to have you convict him 981 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,600 based on sympathy. 982 00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:50,540 We bring them to you so that you can know 983 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,180 everything the defendant knew. 984 00:52:53,820 --> 00:52:56,380 How many patients should it take 985 00:52:56,410 --> 00:53:00,160 before you know that what you're doing is hurting people? 986 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:09,040 One, two, three? 987 00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:12,793 You make your best friend a quadriplegic? 988 00:53:12,810 --> 00:53:17,620 Four, you kill? Five, you kill? 989 00:53:17,650 --> 00:53:19,884 Should I list all 33? 990 00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:23,220 I want to call them tragedies, 991 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:27,350 but that implies no one could have seen them coming. 992 00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:30,943 These were assaults. 993 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,821 We're here talking about Madeline Beyer. 994 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,680 I know you don't have a doubt 995 00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:40,440 that when Christopher Duntsch went into Madeline Beyer's surgery, 996 00:53:40,460 --> 00:53:44,575 he was reasonably certain he was going to hurt her. 997 00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:47,290 That's the standard of knowing. 998 00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:50,589 Not that you know 100%, 999 00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:53,749 but that you're reasonably certain. 1000 00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:58,047 The defense is implying it was his training. 1001 00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:00,601 He was trained for 17 years 1002 00:54:00,620 --> 00:54:03,280 prior to operating on Mrs. Beyer. 1003 00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:05,596 Trained at the University of Tennessee. 1004 00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:07,740 Trained at Semmes-Murphey. 1005 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,600 Institutions with doctors 1006 00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:12,821 who would not put their reputations on the line 1007 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,940 by recommending a poorly trained surgeon. 1008 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,640 Don't blame his training. 1009 00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:24,323 Blame him. 1010 00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:26,580 Don't blame the system. 1011 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,202 Blame him. 1012 00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:32,500 He went into all those operations. 1013 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,669 He put the scalpels to those patients' backs. 1014 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,600 He kept going. 1015 00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:42,700 All these people. 1016 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,820 If you're a human who values life, 1017 00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:51,271 who understands suffering... 1018 00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:53,660 You heard Dr. Henderson. 1019 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,314 One botched surgery, just one, 1020 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,694 and he never would have entered the operating room ever again. 1021 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,640 If you don't stop him, 1022 00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:10,020 Christopher Duntsch will leave this courthouse, 1023 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,593 leave this city, this state, 1024 00:55:13,610 --> 00:55:16,924 maybe even this country, 1025 00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:19,801 and he will find a corner of the world 1026 00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:24,633 that allows him to continue hurting people. 1027 00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:32,230 Only you can tell him no more. 1028 00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:41,100 They don't understand. 1029 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,270 All I wanna do is go back to my research. 1030 00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:47,993 You gotta tell 'em, Dad. 1031 00:55:48,010 --> 00:55:51,360 I will never practice surgery again. 1032 00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:54,440 If they let me, I can still do good. 1033 00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:58,140 - I can still help. - Just stop, okay? 1034 00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:00,002 It's time to stop. 1035 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,860 We had these hardwood floors when you were little. 1036 00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:18,469 Active, always active. So energetic. 1037 00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:20,861 You were so strong. 1038 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,540 You would push the furniture around across these floors. 1039 00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:29,100 You never played with toys. It was always the furniture. 1040 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,830 And how many times did I ask you 1041 00:56:32,850 --> 00:56:34,980 to stop it with the furniture? 1042 00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:38,874 But you wouldn't stop. 1043 00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:41,940 You wouldn't stop. 1044 00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:50,980 Maybe jail's the best thing for you, my boy. 1045 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,895 You were less dull than I thought you'd be. 1046 00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:05,270 You're too kind, Randy. 1047 00:57:05,290 --> 00:57:09,470 Probably blown the whole case, but nice job. 1048 00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:15,100 We could have done more. 1049 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,680 We should have done it more. 1050 00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,082 This is gonna happen again, you know. 1051 00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,551 Suppose we could do something. 1052 00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:25,060 I suppose we should. 1053 00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:28,640 Jury's back. 1054 00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:31,220 All right, well, we got time for some hoops. 1055 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,780 I wish. 1056 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,040 We gonna win? 1057 00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:43,680 I don't know. 1058 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,690 I'm sorry. 1059 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,180 You did great. 1060 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,780 _ 1061 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,820 _ 1062 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,275 _ 1063 00:58:28,290 --> 00:58:31,440 _ 1064 00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:35,300 _ 1065 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,200 _ 1066 00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:43,100 _ 1067 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,910 _ 1068 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,040 _ 1069 00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:59,640 _ 1070 00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:03,560 _ 1071 00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:06,647 _ 1072 00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:08,857 _ 1073 00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:11,840 _ 1074 00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:14,460 _ 1075 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,615 _ 1076 00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:20,460 _ 1077 00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:23,414 _ 1078 00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:26,380 _ 1079 00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:28,800 _ 1080 00:59:28,830 --> 00:59:30,838 _ 1081 00:59:30,850 --> 00:59:37,720 _ 1082 00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:40,480 _ 1083 00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:42,725 _ 1084 00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:46,120 _ 1085 00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:49,440 _ 1086 00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:52,943 _ 1087 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,400 _ 1088 00:59:55,420 --> 00:59:58,460 _ 1089 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,840 _ 1090 01:00:00,860 --> 01:00:02,953 _ 1091 01:00:02,970 --> 01:00:07,120 _ 1092 01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:09,960 _ 1093 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,020 _ 1094 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,960 _ 1095 01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:21,620 _ 1096 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,839 _ 1097 01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:32,980 _ 1098 01:00:33,010 --> 01:00:38,697 _ 1099 01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:42,743 _ 1100 01:01:02,170 --> 01:01:11,400 _ 1101 01:01:27,610 --> 01:01:32,610 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - -- www.addic7ed.com -- 81448

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