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* *
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Well, I don't have to say it,
but I'm gonna say it anyway.
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Today's show is quite a doozy.
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That's right,
it's my favorite word.
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Our guest today has
two Oscar nominations.
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He has two Golden Globe wins
and has won an Emmy.
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Simply put, he's one of the
biggest movie stars of all time.
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And I don't just say it,
I mean it.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
John Travolta.
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-That's the real one, now.
Get in here! -Brother!
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My God, man! My brother! Huh?
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-How you doing, dude?
Good to see you. -Good, man.
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-I love this format.
-Do you like it?
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My understanding is, we're gonna
have a glass of wine together.
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-Yes, we are.
-Holy shit.
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How funny was our shit
in "Die Hart"?
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KEVIN: "Die Hart" was probably
one of the funniest things
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-that I've done.
-One of the funniest things I've ever seen.
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Well, it's-it's... Well, hey,
I mean, we could get into it,
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but there's several things
I want to tell you
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-about "Die Hart," and...
-And I'll tell you what else,
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we never got a chance
to do this, Kevin.
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No.
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-Sit down and, like, talk? No.
-That whole time, you were...
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you were like sand
through my hands,
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because I wanted--
you know, you're so...
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Meaning I...
meaning that I was small?
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-What are you saying, my man?
-(laughs) No, no, no.
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-Yeah, you could have fit
through my hand, yes. -Okay.
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But in addition to that,
I wanted alone time with you
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-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
-to talk and get to know you,
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and because you were so busy
and we had a limited time
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to get the movie done, I never
got a chance to really do this.
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-Sit down
and really get to talk. -So now...
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-This is it.
-Yeah, there's no interference.
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-You can't get on your phone,
and you can't... -No.
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you can't call people,
you can't look at texts.
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-No.
-You're-you're... You can't believe it.
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-You got John Travolta on here.
-I'm locked in
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-on this moment right now.
-That's right. That's right.
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Let's get my somm out here,
let's get us some wine.
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-Yeah, let's get us some wine.
-Uh, D! This is my somm.
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-I got a sommeli... sommelier.
-I know this brother.
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Somme... Gosh dang it,
What is it?
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-Somm...
-Sommelier, Mr. Hart.
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Goddamn it. I'm...
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Every day, I practice
in the morning.
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-Mr. Travolta, how are you?
-Good, man.
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-This is a sharp outfit, too.
-I like that.
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-What are we drinking today?
-I've got two selections today.
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-Okay.
-And, uh, I think you want something in more of a Chablis,
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-Pouilly-Fuissé style
from France? -Correct.
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-Very dry.
-What the fuck is that?
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-What just happened here?
-DLYNN: Yes, indeed.
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What?
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Russian River 2019.
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Chardonnay.
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I'm learning stuff already.
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Did anybody here know that
John Travolta speaks French?
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JOHN:
Ah...
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-2017.
-2017?
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Spring Mountain District
Cabernet.
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-Now we're talking.
-Absolutely.
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(Kevin speaking fake French)
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(slurred gibberish):
...merci.
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This is the shit.
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-(laughing)
-I cannot believe that I'm doing
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a legitimate talk show
with a fucking glass of wine.
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This is awesome.
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Here's to you, buddy.
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-Hey, seriously, John,
toast, man. -Yeah.
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Um, John, you started talking
about "Die Hart," right?
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I want to educate my, my, uh...
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-Wine got to you already?
-my watchers, uh,
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on what "Die Hart" was
if they haven't seen it.
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"Die Hart" was a short movie
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that I had the opportunity to do
with John Travolta,
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um, with a friend of mine,
uh, Katzenberg,
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in a platform that he had
that no longer exists.
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So, we did this thing,
and I had the opportunity
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to come to you and ask you, it
was, like, a... it was a reach.
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I was like: Man, if we
could get John Travolta...
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And, honestly, like, you know,
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those are the notches
on your belt
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as you go on that you just...
you-you look back at,
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and you-you can't believe.
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Like, I got to say
I shared the screen
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-with John Travolta
in my career. -Aw, man.
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That's-that's massive for me.
So, genuinely,
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thank you for that, man.
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-You're welcome.
-That was a big...
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a big thing for me,
for our production company,
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everything, like,
down the board, man.
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-Aw, man.
-But you checked all those boxes for us.
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Well, thank you
for acknowledging that.
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And, also, when I received it,
from my side of it,
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you know,
your name attached to anything,
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you got to pay attention,
because you're the man.
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So... but when I read it,
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I never knew how hilarious
it was going to be.
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You know, I thought
it was going to be funny.
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It's got to be. You wouldn't do
anything that wasn't.
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-Mm-hmm.
-But, damn, it went to that other level.
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And I said,
"How did they know to pick me?"
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Because I had 40 years
of dealing with stuntmen
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and all their antics,
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so I fucking couldn't wait
to play this role.
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And get in the way.
You grounded the material.
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You grounded it.
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Like, you-you found
the comedy in it,
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but then you grounded it,
as well,
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-Thanks.
-by staying so true to the craziness,
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which-which helped,
of course, on my side
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-making the movie in the movie.
-Motivated your reactions.
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You know what I mean?
It was... it was super dope.
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You-You've always had a love
for comedy, though, right?
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-It's my first, uh, impact.
-Exactly. Yeah.
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You know,
with "Welcome Back, Kotter,"
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you know, and I had done a lot
of theater before that
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and comedies and musical
comedies and what have you,
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but that was my first love,
was comedy.
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So, so, with
"Welcome Back, Kotter," right,
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you know,
this is a situation where--
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and if I'm wrong,
tell me I'm wrong--
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you ended up becoming
the star of a show
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-that you weren't originally
the star of. -That was a very generous part
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-on Gabe Kaplan.
-Okay.
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'Cause I don't know if you...
you know, this audience
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will remember "Kotter"
or remember what it was about--
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-but Gabe Kaplan...
-It was one of the biggest TV shows ever.
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-It was a huge show.
-Yeah, and you'd see it again on these, you know,
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different stations.
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-But Gabe was
a very important stand-up comic. -Mm-hmm.
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And he wrote that show
for himself as a vehicle
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to get established.
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But the generous thing
he did was, he...
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he saw that I might take off,
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but he gave me the ball
and let me score a touchdown.
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-Wow.
-And that was very generous.
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And I, you know, for 20 years,
I wanted to thank him,
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-just like
you're thanking me tonight, -Mm-hmm.
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and finally there was a meet...
what is, uh,
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a retro television station
that had...
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-had a celebration of "Kotter."
-Okay.
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-And I finally,
in front of millions of people, -You got to see him.
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got to see him
and thank him personally...
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-Wow.
-for him allowing me to be here today.
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I'd love to tap in,
you know, to the beginning,
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because this is my opportunity
to learn, right?
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This is my opportunity
to really understand more
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about John Travolta than I have,
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outside of the picture
that's been painted.
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-Sure.
-Like, I'm-I'm... I'm getting educated right now.
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-Yeah. Wherever you want.
-So, in the beginning stages,
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-Definitely.
-it was theater, plays, et cetera,
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-Yes.
-uh, and then...
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-and then "Welcome Back, Kotter"
came about how? -Yeah, in New York--
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-Uh, where did you grow up?
-Philadelphia.
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Philadelphia. So it's similar.
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Uh, the protocol, in my day,
was, uh, do theater first,
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and then... tap into
a little bit of television,
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because it's
a natural progression.
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And then, if you're
lucky enough, you do movies.
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Now, understanding the road
to "Welcome Back, Kotter,"
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uh, where-where--
how old are you at this time?
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-You're...
-I was, at "Kotter," I was just turned 21.
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God! 21.
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But I had done six years
of theater.
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Broadway, off-Broadway,
summer theater.
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-KEVIN: So you were poised.
-Oh, yes, yes, yes.
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Well poised, polished,
uh, prepared for the moment.
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-And L.A., at that time,
was welcoming New York actors. -Mm.
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They-they preferred them,
because of the...
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well, the chance that
they might know their lines,
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might be more professional,
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might, uh, not have to be, uh,
led more than another actor.
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So I had a bit of an advantage.
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Was that a great transition
or difficult,
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-Oh, I loved it.
-moving, uprooting from New York to L.A.?
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-Because even though
I liked stage, -Mm-hmm.
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-I loved film much more.
-Okay.
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Because I could let the camera
do half the work.
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-Okay, okay.
-You know, I could just let... let it be.
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It's funny, because it's so...
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there's such a difference
in opinion here.
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You know, you talk to a lot
of actors about the theater,
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that come
from the theater background,
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you know, uh, they pride
themselves on it being tougher,
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you know,
because there is no cut.
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There is no stop-and-go.
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-It's... it's one show,
and the show goes. -Yeah.
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And if you flub, you flub--
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you better figure out
a way out of it,
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because that's the, you know,
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that's the guidelines
that you're under.
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I think I'm just
more comfortable with film
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than I am--
yet I loved, uh, my...
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You know, I did, from 15 to 26,
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I did, like, uh,
11 years of theater.
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And it's not that I didn't,
you know, love it or like it.
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-I just liked film more
because of the, you know... -Mm-hmm.
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I'm different, where if you have
to do another take in a movie,
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I look at it as I get a chance
to do it again.
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* *
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* *
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So coming out of it,
of course, like you said, you...
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the world of TV and film,
you just loved that much more.
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Uh, how did, how did
the first film come about?
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Like, normally,
that's even a tough transition
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-Yeah. Sure.
-from your TV star going into becoming a movie star.
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-How did that happen?
-Okay, well, it was a little different for me...
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-Okay.
-in that when I got out to L.A.,
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when I was 18, uh, there was
a famous casting director,
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Lynn Stalmaster,
that really took a liking
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to my abilities and talent.
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-Mm-hmm.
-And he, uh, cast me in a couple of things,
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and he said, "You know, uh,
you really should stay out here
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"and not go back to New York,
because I think we could...
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we could do this," you know?
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And he got me a screen test
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for a movie called "The Last
Detail," with Jack Nicholson,
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and Randy Quaid
ended up getting the role.
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-Wow.
-But it was between Randy Quaid and myself.
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And that led
to an Oscar nomination for...
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-for Randy.
-Mm.
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But I was so close
to getting that,
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that the director called me
and said, um,
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"Look, you're the actor
that can do this role,
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"but this guy has just this...
this physical presence
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that feels more to the role,
so we're gonna go with him."
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-But because I was so...
-The director gave you this conversation?
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-Yes.
-Wow.
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"And because you were so close,
I needed to call you
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"to tell you how...
it was a very tough decision.
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"At midnight one night,
we decided to go,
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but it could have
very easily been your way."
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So it sent a message
to this casting director,
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and to the town,
that this kid-- me--
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was actually very possibly
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a viable film entit...
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-you know,
a leading-man-type thing. -Mm-hmm.
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-Mm-hmm.
-So, uh...
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Or at least a-a character actor.
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So you feel like
the part that you didn't get
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kind of acted as your
"This is my arrival" to a town,
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-of letting them know...
-Absolutely, 'cause there was no bigger movie
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-at the time that I
could have been considered for, -Wow.
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and the idea that
I came that close gave a message
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to not only Lynn
but to everyone.
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And then what did I do?
I went back to Broadway
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two years, because it was
what I was familiar with.
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I was more comfortable
with going back to stage.
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-So, uh...
-Was that... did it... did it hurt you, though?
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I mean, not... Coming so close
and not getting this thing.
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Yeah, it was a little bit,
uh, devastating,
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but at the same time, I didn't
expect to come out to L.A.,
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and the first three months
be put in that kind of position.
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-Mm-hmm.
-I'd done a couple of... I did an "Emergency!" TV show,
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I did a "Rookies," um,
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"Owen Marshall,
Counselor at Law," guest part.
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So I was getting a taste of it,
but this was the big league,
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-Yeah.
-you know, getting a lead with Jack Nicholson.
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-So why go home?
-Exactly the question. Why did I go home?
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Because, in my mind,
I was a guy that grew up
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-where theater was everything,
-Mm-hmm.
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and you're not gonna tur...
you're not gonna turn down
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a Broadway opportunity.
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I did summer theater.
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I'd done off-Broadway,
and now Broadway is beckoning.
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So I did two years of Broadway,
two different shows.
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(chuckles):
But the result of it was, I didn't really want to go back.
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You know? So, um, I don't know.
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So now you go back.
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Then what's the arrival
to get back out again?
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-'Cause, at this point,
you're ping-ponging. -Well, finally, Lynn said,
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"Look, do or die. You're 19."
Well, I was 19 years old.
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He said, "You're 19..."
Or 20, I guess.
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It was two years later.
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And he said,
"You can't go back."
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I got offered a third Broadway
show, called "The Ritz."
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And Treat Williams
ended up doing it
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'cause I turned it down.
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And I was distraught
over the idea
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that I was turning yet again
another Broadway show down.
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And he said,
"You have to stay here."
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He said, "Look, if I
could find you a little job
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"while we're waiting
to get you in the big time,
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would you stay
and not take 'The Ritz'?"
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And I said, "Yes."
So he found me a job
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for $800 a week
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doing this really bad
horror picture
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-(laughing)
-called "The Devil's Reign," where I was, like,
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a glorified extra, but it was
$800 a week for five weeks.
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-Okay.
-He said, "Because when you come back,
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"I'm gonna set you up
for a screen test
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"for a show called
'Welcome Back, Kotter.'
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And if you can hold off..."
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I said, "Well,
I need to pay the bills,
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so if you can get me that,
I'll do it."
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So I did the five-week job,
$800 a week,
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and when I got back,
I screen-tested for "Kotter,"
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screen-tested again,
all this rigamarole, and boom.
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Give me the first film, then.
What acted as the first movie?
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-Was it "Saturday Night Fever"?
-The first, uh, real movie was "Carrie,"
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-Okay.
-where I had a...
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-Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-I played a bad guy, that was my role.
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I did a TV movie called
"Boy in the Plastic Bubble,"
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which was--
next to "Brian's Song,"
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was the biggest TV movie
in history.
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So that was kind of my...
the buildup
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-to "Saturday Night Fever."
-Mm-hmm.
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Then "Saturday Night Fever,"
then "Grease,"
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-and then "Urban Cowboy," so...
-Do you feel like...
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do you feel like
after "Saturday Night Fever,"
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did you see it?
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Did you go, "Oh, wow, this is...
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-"this is it?
-Oh, yeah. That was the blueprint.
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I'm going to be a major star."
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Like, "I'm-I'm... I'm here."
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-Yeah.
-Like, "Now... now that I feel I've got a...
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"I've got an opportunity to
really put my talent on display,
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-Yes.
-"I'm going to be
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the next biggest movie star
that this town will see."
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I did, for this reason.
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The second indication,
if you will,
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of having solidity
in the movie industry
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was a director
called Terrence Malick,
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and he directed, um, very
important films in the '70s,
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and he wanted me for a film
called "Days of Heaven."
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And I screen-tested for it
right before...
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right after "Carrie"
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and before
"Boy in the Plastic Bubble."
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And I got the... I got the role,
and I couldn't do it
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because Wolper and Eisner
wouldn't let me out of "Kotter."
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-Mm-hmm.
-But it was such a significant role,
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and Richard Gere
ended up doing it,
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which ended up a theme where
he did many roles I didn't do.
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But that was another
"Last Detail" opportunity,
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-where, like, the Nicholson,
the second time. -Wow.
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So, between "The Last Detail"
and "Days of Heaven,"
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I really got the idea
that the force
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-wanted me to be a film actor.
-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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So by the time I got
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the "Saturday Night Fever"
opportunity,
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I said:
"I'm gonna make this work.
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"I'm gonna do everything I can
to make this
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a authentic, great performance."
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Well, I mean, it's...
that's kind of insane, though,
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for you to...
for you to see the trajectory
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of those that ended up
taking the parts
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that you didn't get,
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and what that
then went on and meant
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for those, you know,
for those actors.
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Oh, yeah.
No, I take responsibility
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for Richard and Tom Hanks.
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-There's enough for everybody.
You know, there's... -Mm-hmm.
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Arts aren't, you know,
shouldn't be hoarded.
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You know, there's-there's a...
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I mean, I...
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I was... The role in
the Hanks film called "Splash"
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-was written for me.
-The mermaid?
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-The mermaid.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, uh, you know, but
then we wouldn't have Tom Hanks.
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So let's have Tom Hanks.
You see what I mean?
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So, what-what...
what is the relationship
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of-of the actors at that time?
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Like, you know, you mentioned
these-these massive names,
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-Yeah.
-which, all at the same time are young.
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-Young, ambitious, driven,
-Yes, yes, yes.
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-Yes.
-and all looking for their opportunities.
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And you guys, naturally,
you're bumping heads constantly,
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because you're always up
for the same things
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that are supposed to be
the biggest thing, so...
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Okay, and this is
the irony of it--
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or interesting part of it,
I should say.
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-There was very few of us.
-I know.
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Now there's a ton
of people competing.
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It's much more difficult
to establish yourself
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in any aspect--
music, uh, movies.
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It's easier
and it's more difficult,
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you know,
depending on how your avenue is.
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But it was just Richard Gere,
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myself, Treat Williams...
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up for most parts.
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So if I didn't get it,
one of those guys would get it.
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Young...
Where was Tom at that time?
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-And then Tom was
a few years later. -Yeah, yeah.
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So maybe, like, by '81 or 2,
Tom came into the scene.
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So then it was Tom.
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So it was Richard, Treat,
myself and Tom,
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and those roles would get...
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-interchangeable, you see?
-Mm-hmm.
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-Uh, depending
on what was happening. -Mm-hmm.
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Um, and...
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It...
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So, in some ways...
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I mean, in Vegas,
what's a one-out-of-four chance?
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-You know what I mean?
It was, it was a good... -Yeah, your odds aren't bad.
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-Yes, yes.
-You're playing with good odds
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based on the talent
that's known to be
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-the major talent in town
at that time. -Correct.
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-Absolutely.
-I totally understand.
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And we were a new generation,
because the generation
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right before me
was the Stallone, De Niro,
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uh, Pacino generation,
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and then I was the beginning
of that next generation,
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which included myself
and Tom Hanks and Richard
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and, uh, Treat and that group.
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Where's Denzel at this time?
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-Uh, he came a few years later.
-Okay.
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Mel Gibson was around
the mid-'80s or early '80s,
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so Denzel and-and...
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-Denzel-- we're the same age--
-Mm-hmm.
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and Mel were, uh,
were a little later.
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That's insane. I-I love...
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This is...
this is why I love this.
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-Yeah.
-The-the... It's so interesting
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when you really dive into,
you know, the mind of the person
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-that was operating
back then, right? -Yeah. And if I were you,
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I'd be asking
the same questions.
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If I had the luxury, in my day,
of interviewing Cagney
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or, you know, someone else,
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I would be asking
these very same questions,
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because I love the chronology
of a life and of a career
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-Yeah. Yes.
-and to find out what was real to that person and what wasn't.
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And it's really... I-I...
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I'm very impressed that you even
want to ask these questions.
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If you don't take advantage of
your opportunity to be a sponge
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and soak up information,
I think you're wasting...
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-you're wasting the time
of these valuable relationships. -Absolutely.
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And that's
why you're so successful,
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-because you get that.
-Thank you. Thank you.
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I think it's very important.
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* *
435
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* *
436
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Here's another question
for you, right?
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The... the monster
of Los Angeles at this time
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is a different beast.
439
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-(laughs)
-The monster of Los Angeles at this time...
440
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-The understatement
of the world, right? -Yeah, I mean,
441
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you're talking about when...
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when drugs, craziness,
fun, nightlife, party.
443
00:19:42,432 --> 00:19:44,562
You're talking about the...
444
00:19:44,601 --> 00:19:48,061
the '80s,
where, I mean, damn,
445
00:19:48,104 --> 00:19:50,324
if-if you were a star
in the '80s,
446
00:19:50,357 --> 00:19:53,897
you had the world in your hand,
it seemed like, right?
447
00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:55,613
How-how do you...
448
00:19:55,653 --> 00:19:57,413
how do you manage that monster
449
00:19:57,447 --> 00:20:01,487
with the height of success
that you had at that time?
450
00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:03,454
One very simple thing.
451
00:20:03,495 --> 00:20:05,535
When I did that little movie
before "Kotter,"
452
00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:07,540
-Mm-hmm.
-uh, "Devil's Reign,"
453
00:20:07,582 --> 00:20:09,922
-Mm-hmm.
-I was introduced to an actress
454
00:20:09,959 --> 00:20:12,709
that introduced me
into Scientology.
455
00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:16,134
-Okay.
-And at that moment, it worked for me.
456
00:20:16,174 --> 00:20:18,134
-Okay.
-And it still works for me.
457
00:20:18,176 --> 00:20:22,426
-Okay.
-So my whole life changed at that moment.
458
00:20:22,472 --> 00:20:26,232
And inclusive of that was,
459
00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:28,397
you couldn't study the things
460
00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:32,896
that you wanted to gain
in your...
461
00:20:32,941 --> 00:20:36,491
-your sphere of knowledge
with being on drugs. -Mm-hmm.
462
00:20:36,528 --> 00:20:39,568
So drug world was suddenly
not interesting to me at all.
463
00:20:39,614 --> 00:20:42,704
-Mm-hmm.
-And I... I want...
464
00:20:42,742 --> 00:20:44,992
it was more interesting
to learn what I could learn
465
00:20:45,036 --> 00:20:48,036
-from that technology
than it was to party. -Mm-hmm.
466
00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:50,671
-Okay.
-So I was not a partyer.
467
00:20:50,709 --> 00:20:53,549
And never...
never really have been.
468
00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,626
But I had a much more
interesting, uh, passion
469
00:20:56,673 --> 00:20:59,183
toward my career
470
00:20:59,217 --> 00:21:01,087
and also becoming a pilot.
471
00:21:01,136 --> 00:21:04,506
So, I was already a pilot, but
I wanted to become a jet pilot.
472
00:21:04,556 --> 00:21:08,386
-At a young age?
-I was 15 when I started flying.
473
00:21:08,435 --> 00:21:09,935
-What?
-Yeah, yeah.
474
00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:12,268
And I did it at the same time
I was doing theater.
475
00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:15,283
My paychecks would go
to flying lessons, you see.
476
00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:17,936
So, the point was,
I want to be a pilot,
477
00:21:17,986 --> 00:21:20,446
I want to be involved in
Scientology, and it doesn't...
478
00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:21,948
it didn't really...
479
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:25,120
The lifestyle of partying
didn't, like... it was...
480
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,290
-that was more interesting
to me, you see. -Okay.
481
00:21:28,329 --> 00:21:30,329
And, uh...
482
00:21:30,373 --> 00:21:33,133
-You know, I can have
a glass of wine, you know? -Yes. What do you mean?
483
00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:35,298
What are you talking about?
You can have more. We're...
484
00:21:35,337 --> 00:21:37,297
-This is, this is great.
-Yeah, but then it's different
485
00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:40,299
-than that other lifestyle.
-Yes. You're-you're...
486
00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:42,512
There's a...
Your priorities are straight.
487
00:21:42,552 --> 00:21:45,352
-Correct, correct.
-Okay? Like, you're... you're at a young age--
488
00:21:45,388 --> 00:21:49,728
-which is extremely odd
and rare, right? -Yeah.
489
00:21:49,768 --> 00:21:53,608
And I can't sit here
in front of you and say...
490
00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:57,106
that I was ever locked in
like-like this at...
491
00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:59,400
I think, you know,
at a young age,
492
00:21:59,444 --> 00:22:02,244
I definitely got hit by that...
493
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,950
by the fun bus.
494
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:05,780
The fun train, the fun bus.
495
00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:08,575
-And, hey,
it was lurking around me. -Mm-hmm.
496
00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:10,330
And there were people
that I adored,
497
00:22:10,372 --> 00:22:13,292
like Robin Williams
and Jack Nicholson, that...
498
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:16,133
they... I would have loved
to have been able to join them,
499
00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:20,469
because I love them,
but it wasn't my style.
500
00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:22,427
-Yeah, it wasn't your thing.
-So, it wasn't my thing.
501
00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:24,547
-Yeah.
-You know, I could have a drink with them,
502
00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:27,184
-but I couldn't go
to the depth... (laughs) -Yeah.
503
00:22:27,222 --> 00:22:30,522
that-that they were doing,
because they were masters at it.
504
00:22:30,558 --> 00:22:33,018
-Yeah.
-But...
505
00:22:33,061 --> 00:22:36,821
it was this estimation
and jockeying of...
506
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:40,856
of how far do you go
with something, you know?
507
00:22:40,902 --> 00:22:43,282
And they just went
at a distance
508
00:22:43,321 --> 00:22:45,201
that I couldn't really,
you know...
509
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,910
Back then,
when you make the decision
510
00:22:47,951 --> 00:22:50,701
to do what you want
and practice Scientology
511
00:22:50,745 --> 00:22:53,455
and, you know, uh,
you're in flight school,
512
00:22:53,498 --> 00:22:56,918
was there ever a conversation
that came... that came about
513
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,750
that was negative towards
what it is that you were doing
514
00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:01,416
or the choices that you made?
515
00:23:01,464 --> 00:23:04,224
Did the media ever try to get
ahold of young John Travolta
516
00:23:04,259 --> 00:23:06,639
-at that point?
-This is what I've discovered.
517
00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:09,258
When you're unabashed
about what you do,
518
00:23:09,305 --> 00:23:10,885
you don't get attacked.
519
00:23:10,932 --> 00:23:13,062
-It's when you are...
-What's that word again?
520
00:23:13,101 --> 00:23:16,481
"Unabash-ed." Like, un-un...
521
00:23:16,521 --> 00:23:18,731
unedited
about what you're doing.
522
00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:20,733
I like the word.
I like "unabash-ed."
523
00:23:20,775 --> 00:23:22,895
Yeah. Well,
you're just overt about it.
524
00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:25,574
And I thought...
I felt like it saved my life.
525
00:23:25,613 --> 00:23:27,283
-Why would I want to hide that?
-Mm.
526
00:23:27,323 --> 00:23:29,203
(chuckles):
You know, why would I...
527
00:23:29,242 --> 00:23:30,542
why would I inhibit
528
00:23:30,577 --> 00:23:32,997
-what made me feel better
about living? -Mm-hmm.
529
00:23:33,038 --> 00:23:35,248
And why would I want
to inhibit the tools
530
00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:38,040
that that subject matter
gave me to live a better life?
531
00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:40,094
-Mm-hmm.
-Why would I want to hide it?
532
00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:42,668
So I think that
I got attacked less
533
00:23:42,714 --> 00:23:44,344
because I had nothing on it.
534
00:23:44,382 --> 00:23:46,472
-Ah.
-Like, I didn't... I wasn't trying to hide it.
535
00:23:46,509 --> 00:23:48,889
-Mm-hmm.
-I wasn't... It was, like, if anything,
536
00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:51,308
I was probably more attacked
at times
537
00:23:51,348 --> 00:23:53,218
for trying to promote it.
538
00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,556
The one thing
that I can credit my...
539
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:59,612
my mother on is, you know...
540
00:23:59,647 --> 00:24:00,857
(chuckles)
541
00:24:00,899 --> 00:24:03,899
...happiness
in another person's life
542
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:07,323
was never frowned upon
in my household, right?
543
00:24:07,364 --> 00:24:09,784
-So, so, my...
-That's beautiful.
544
00:24:09,824 --> 00:24:13,584
My-my mom raised a young man
545
00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:17,210
that's now a grown man that...
546
00:24:17,248 --> 00:24:21,038
learned to support from the...
from the ground up.
547
00:24:21,086 --> 00:24:24,166
I will say,
one of the things that I,
548
00:24:24,214 --> 00:24:26,884
of course,
respect the most about you
549
00:24:26,925 --> 00:24:29,135
and-and... admire,
550
00:24:29,177 --> 00:24:32,507
but at the same time have such
a high level of curiosity is,
551
00:24:32,555 --> 00:24:34,595
you know, the...
552
00:24:34,641 --> 00:24:37,191
the management of career, right?
553
00:24:37,227 --> 00:24:41,267
And-and through the ups,
through the downs,
554
00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:45,944
one thing that...
that I haven't yet experienced,
555
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,695
right, is the--
and I'll knock on wood--
556
00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:50,988
-Mm-hmm.
-is the, uh...
557
00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:53,792
is the box office low
558
00:24:53,827 --> 00:24:56,577
that's thrown
on the talent's back
559
00:24:56,621 --> 00:25:00,001
and... and, you know, uh,
560
00:25:00,041 --> 00:25:02,631
"He's the reason why
and he's done. It's over.
561
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:06,169
-Get the guy out of here."
Right? Like, I... -Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
562
00:25:06,214 --> 00:25:09,224
-That-that thing
hasn't happened yet. -Right.
563
00:25:09,259 --> 00:25:11,929
But it's happened to so many.
It's-it's...
564
00:25:11,970 --> 00:25:14,140
Well, the thing is,
I'm not worried about you
565
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:16,810
-if it did happen,
and I'll tell you why. -Mm-hmm.
566
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:20,190
Because I was brought up
with my mother and father
567
00:25:20,228 --> 00:25:23,518
instilling confidence, and I
think confidence is everything.
568
00:25:23,565 --> 00:25:25,855
-KEVIN: Everything.
-Let me give you an example.
569
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,570
I was taking out
the garbage once,
570
00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:30,200
and my mother turned
to my sister and said,
571
00:25:30,238 --> 00:25:33,488
"He's a borderline genius."
Like, "Really? He's a border..."
572
00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:37,203
That's how much love was...
to everything I did.
573
00:25:37,245 --> 00:25:41,115
-Mm-hmm.
-So I left my house with uber-confidence.
574
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:44,586
-Mm-hmm.
-So if something failed that I ever did,
575
00:25:44,627 --> 00:25:48,667
it never impinged at the level
that it did with other people.
576
00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:51,925
-Mm-hmm.
-And in addition to that,
577
00:25:51,968 --> 00:25:56,848
um, I always felt
that if you chose...
578
00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:58,180
good projects,
579
00:25:58,224 --> 00:26:00,984
you can't control
the outcome of them,
580
00:26:01,019 --> 00:26:03,019
-Mm-hmm.
-all you can control is,
581
00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:05,983
did you,
with all good consciousness,
582
00:26:06,024 --> 00:26:09,364
do something you were...
felt would be a good project?
583
00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:12,242
-Mm-hmm.
-So if you can't predict the outcome,
584
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,820
all you can predict is
your feeling about that project.
585
00:26:14,866 --> 00:26:17,736
-Mm-hmm.
-And I always felt like I had a kind of integrity
586
00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:20,206
about everything I-I chose,
587
00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:22,576
so I never worried
about the outcome,
588
00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:24,294
whether it did well or not well,
589
00:26:24,334 --> 00:26:26,094
-Mm-hmm.
-because it was something I wanted to do.
590
00:26:26,127 --> 00:26:29,127
-Gotcha.
-Like, even when I said yes to your film,
591
00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:31,132
it fucking was so funny to me
592
00:26:31,174 --> 00:26:32,884
-Mm-hmm.
-that I said, "I don't care what it does.
593
00:26:32,926 --> 00:26:34,836
-Mm.
-It doesn't matter to me."
594
00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:38,056
-You're happy with your choice.
-I was so freakin' happy with my choice,
595
00:26:38,098 --> 00:26:40,178
-Mm-hmm.
-because I knew I could kill it.
596
00:26:40,225 --> 00:26:42,225
I knew I could be funny in this
and ridiculous,
597
00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:44,728
and you allowed me
to even be beyond that,
598
00:26:44,771 --> 00:26:46,771
-Mm-hmm.
-that it was a winner.
599
00:26:46,815 --> 00:26:49,975
Nobody could have seen it, and I
would have been happy, you see?
600
00:26:50,026 --> 00:26:52,526
So there's a certain kind
of "thinkingness"
601
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:55,070
that you have to have,
whether it succeeds or failure.
602
00:26:55,115 --> 00:26:58,445
-It's a...
It's a game, man, you know? -Mm-hmm.
603
00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:00,753
Sometimes you win the
Super Bowl, sometimes you don't.
604
00:27:00,787 --> 00:27:04,747
-So can't you just accept it
as a game, you know, -Mm.
605
00:27:04,791 --> 00:27:07,501
and be happy
about having a game?
606
00:27:07,544 --> 00:27:09,594
* *
607
00:27:17,971 --> 00:27:20,221
* *
608
00:27:22,851 --> 00:27:27,021
This is my opportunity
to really understand more
609
00:27:27,063 --> 00:27:29,403
about John Travolta than I have,
610
00:27:29,441 --> 00:27:31,401
outside of the picture
that's been painted.
611
00:27:31,443 --> 00:27:33,783
Do your kids have this?
This-this level of confidence,
612
00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:37,030
-this understanding, this, uh,
-I think so.
613
00:27:37,073 --> 00:27:38,493
you know, this...
614
00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:40,953
Let me tell you how brilliant
my children are
615
00:27:40,994 --> 00:27:43,584
without-- and I don't mind
being braggadocious, because...
616
00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:45,251
It's your kids,
what you talking about?
617
00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:46,750
-It's my kids, so...
-If you're not, if you're not...
618
00:27:46,791 --> 00:27:49,171
If there's one thing
that you should never have
619
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,170
to apologize for,
it's uplifting your children.
620
00:27:51,212 --> 00:27:53,922
-So...
Well, let me tell you what my son said to me the other day.
621
00:27:53,965 --> 00:27:56,255
-Okay.
-We're taking a walk in the neighborhood.
622
00:27:56,301 --> 00:27:58,601
-Mm-hmm.
-It's at night, late at night.
623
00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:00,466
2:00 in the morning.
624
00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:04,433
And he said, "How does it feel
to be in your 60s?"
625
00:28:04,476 --> 00:28:06,766
I said, "What do you mean?"
626
00:28:06,811 --> 00:28:08,311
He said,
"Well, how does it feel?"
627
00:28:08,355 --> 00:28:10,015
He's ten. He's ten years old.
628
00:28:10,065 --> 00:28:13,605
I said, "I'm... I feel like I've
achieved a lot. I feel like..."
629
00:28:13,651 --> 00:28:15,361
And he said,
"No, I don't mean that."
630
00:28:15,403 --> 00:28:17,363
And he was trying to say:
Cut the bullshit.
631
00:28:17,405 --> 00:28:20,775
"How do you view life
now that you're in your 60s?"
632
00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:23,495
And I thought, you know what,
my son has always wanted truth,
633
00:28:23,536 --> 00:28:25,286
and he's only accepting truth.
634
00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:28,290
I said, "You know what, Ben?
635
00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:29,833
"I can't believe it.
636
00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:32,796
"I can't believe I'm in
the last chapter of my life.
637
00:28:32,837 --> 00:28:35,627
"I can't believe it.
I'm, like, eternally 21.
638
00:28:35,674 --> 00:28:39,144
-I don't... I don't understand
being in my 60s." -Mm-hmm.
639
00:28:39,177 --> 00:28:42,097
And he said, "Okay.
640
00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:44,138
Do you remember 30 years ago?"
641
00:28:44,182 --> 00:28:45,982
This is what he said to me.
I said, "Yes."
642
00:28:46,017 --> 00:28:49,597
He said, "Does 30 years ago
seem like a long time?"
643
00:28:49,646 --> 00:28:52,316
I said, "Yeah."
He said, "Don't you think
644
00:28:52,357 --> 00:28:54,777
you have 30 more years
in your life to live?"
645
00:28:54,818 --> 00:28:56,108
I said, "Yeah, I do.
646
00:28:56,152 --> 00:28:57,992
I think I have
at least 30 years."
647
00:28:58,029 --> 00:28:59,909
He said,
"What's wrong with that?"
648
00:28:59,948 --> 00:29:02,778
-This is a ten-year-old
telling me that. -Yeah. Yeah.
649
00:29:02,826 --> 00:29:05,446
-It changed my viewpoint,
and I realized that -Yeah.
650
00:29:05,495 --> 00:29:08,535
it's about viewpoint in life
651
00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:12,421
that allows you
to settle down about something.
652
00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:14,920
-Mm-hmm.
-And there ain't nothing wrong with 30 years.
653
00:29:14,963 --> 00:29:18,553
-Mm-hmm.
-But, yet, I was, before he said that,
654
00:29:18,591 --> 00:29:20,591
thinking that,
"Oh, this is my last...
655
00:29:20,635 --> 00:29:24,505
-Oh, how sad it is."
-Yeah, yeah, coming from a position of...
656
00:29:24,556 --> 00:29:26,636
of-- I don't want
to say negativity,
657
00:29:26,683 --> 00:29:29,103
'cause that's not the word--
but you're already...
658
00:29:29,144 --> 00:29:30,774
you're already talking
about the problem.
659
00:29:30,812 --> 00:29:33,772
-Yes.
-And the problem hasn't even reared its head.
660
00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:36,525
-Yes.
-And you're... you created a fog
661
00:29:36,568 --> 00:29:38,648
-that doesn't necessarily have
-to exist. -Yeah. And, uh,
662
00:29:38,695 --> 00:29:41,605
-and from his viewpoint,
a falsity, 'cause he, you know, -Mm.
663
00:29:41,656 --> 00:29:44,366
he said to me once,
he said, "You know,
664
00:29:44,409 --> 00:29:47,199
because Mom passed away,
I'm afraid you're going to."
665
00:29:47,245 --> 00:29:50,115
-Mm-hmm.
-And I said, "Well, it's a very different thing."
666
00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:51,915
And then I went
through the differences
667
00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:55,838
-about my longevity
and her limited life. -Mm-hmm.
668
00:29:55,879 --> 00:29:58,549
-Mm-hmm.
-I said, "But, you know, Ben, you always love the truth,
669
00:29:58,590 --> 00:30:00,550
"and I'm gonna tell you
the truth about life.
670
00:30:00,592 --> 00:30:02,552
"Nobody knows
when they're gonna go
671
00:30:02,594 --> 00:30:04,224
or when they're gonna stay."
672
00:30:04,262 --> 00:30:07,892
I said, "Your brother left
at 16-- too young.
673
00:30:07,932 --> 00:30:10,982
"Your mother left at 57,
and that was too young.
674
00:30:11,019 --> 00:30:14,189
But who's to say?"
I said, "I could die tomorrow.
675
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:16,190
You could.
I mean, anybody can."
676
00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:19,072
I said,
"So let's look at life that...
677
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:21,700
"it's part of life, you see?
678
00:30:21,738 --> 00:30:24,568
"You-you...
you don't know exactly.
679
00:30:24,616 --> 00:30:28,406
You just do your best at trying
to live the longest you can."
680
00:30:28,453 --> 00:30:31,583
When you're talking to
your ten-year-old son like that,
681
00:30:31,623 --> 00:30:33,923
-the value...
-Mm-hmm.
682
00:30:33,958 --> 00:30:38,248
...the value in that little boy
683
00:30:38,296 --> 00:30:41,336
receiving said gems from this...
684
00:30:41,383 --> 00:30:43,133
from this older man.
685
00:30:43,176 --> 00:30:45,796
I was talking... I was talking
to a friend of mine, and I said,
686
00:30:45,845 --> 00:30:47,505
"You think it's luck
687
00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:49,555
that grandparents are
the favorite from kids?"
688
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:51,689
-(chuckles)
-"Do you think it's luck?"
689
00:30:51,726 --> 00:30:54,896
-Right. Yeah, yeah.
-Think about it. Think about how many kids
690
00:30:54,938 --> 00:30:57,478
-Yeah.
-gravitate towards Grandpa, Grandma.
691
00:30:57,524 --> 00:30:59,194
-Yeah, that's so true.
-"Where's Grandma?
692
00:30:59,234 --> 00:31:01,364
"I love Grandma.
I love Grandpa. Ooh!
693
00:31:01,403 --> 00:31:03,493
-Gonna go see
Grandma and Grandpa." -Mm-hmm.
694
00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:06,200
Grandma and Grandpa knew
that a peppermint
695
00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:09,701
would grasp the attention
of a child before anybody else.
696
00:31:09,744 --> 00:31:12,084
-(laughing)
-Grandma and Grandpa knew
697
00:31:12,122 --> 00:31:15,832
-that it's the simplicity that
can keep this child occupied. -Yeah. Yeah.
698
00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:17,875
-Of course. Of course.
-Whereas new parents,
699
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:19,879
-we go for bells and whistles.
-Yeah, yeah.
700
00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:23,091
I bought my kid every damn toy,
every toy possible.
701
00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:24,633
Get the big box, get the thing,
702
00:31:24,676 --> 00:31:26,466
put it together
so the kid can...
703
00:31:26,511 --> 00:31:29,431
He plays with it for five
minutes and then turns his back.
704
00:31:29,472 --> 00:31:32,642
But my dad, my dad gets the kid
a toy this big
705
00:31:32,684 --> 00:31:35,154
that makes noise
and has got a bunch of lights.
706
00:31:35,186 --> 00:31:37,766
-(chuckles)
-His life experience and what he's been through
707
00:31:37,814 --> 00:31:40,324
and what he's seen,
he knows that kids will love
708
00:31:40,358 --> 00:31:41,938
-this thing here...
-Absolutely.
709
00:31:41,985 --> 00:31:44,485
-more than they will love
this thing. -Absolutely.
710
00:31:44,529 --> 00:31:46,779
The experience and knowledge
711
00:31:46,823 --> 00:31:50,163
that comes
from said older individual,
712
00:31:50,201 --> 00:31:51,661
-That's so true.
-it's priceless.
713
00:31:51,703 --> 00:31:53,253
-Priceless.
-This is, this is...
714
00:31:53,288 --> 00:31:54,828
-Yeah.
-This is priceless.
715
00:31:54,873 --> 00:31:58,543
I don't have enough money
to pay for this information.
716
00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:00,415
I don't have enough money to...
717
00:32:00,462 --> 00:32:04,342
to pay for a genuine
conversation of honesty.
718
00:32:04,382 --> 00:32:08,092
And what... I'm telling you,
what I'm receiving from you now
719
00:32:08,136 --> 00:32:11,346
is... information,
720
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:13,389
information of value
721
00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:15,563
that helps me process
and understand.
722
00:32:15,602 --> 00:32:18,982
I love it. Well, listen,
you're... you're brilliant,
723
00:32:19,022 --> 00:32:23,742
and you are capable of absorbing
and analyzing and navigating
724
00:32:23,777 --> 00:32:26,027
better than
I've ever seen anyone.
725
00:32:26,071 --> 00:32:27,451
That's beautiful. I love it.
726
00:32:27,489 --> 00:32:30,329
So if I can...
if I've helped you in any way
727
00:32:30,367 --> 00:32:32,787
have insight, I'm-I'm thrilled.
728
00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:34,867
* *
729
00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:46,013
* *
730
00:32:48,843 --> 00:32:51,103
When this different level
of money comes in,
731
00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:53,217
and you start to make
this different level of money,
732
00:32:53,264 --> 00:32:58,654
who acted as young Travolta
or middle-aged Travolta's...
733
00:32:58,687 --> 00:33:01,767
You know, who-who's...
who's helping you in this space?
734
00:33:01,815 --> 00:33:04,185
Who's helping you understand
and process
735
00:33:04,234 --> 00:33:07,324
the value of money and what
to do and what not to do?
736
00:33:07,362 --> 00:33:11,282
Um, honestly, I haven't...
737
00:33:11,324 --> 00:33:16,004
I've actually been my own, uh...
738
00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:18,157
kind of...
739
00:33:18,206 --> 00:33:19,746
I haven't had a lot of...
740
00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:22,791
-It's been my own "thinkingness"
on it, you know? -Mm-hmm.
741
00:33:22,836 --> 00:33:26,416
I haven't had a lot of luck with
others advising me on money.
742
00:33:26,464 --> 00:33:28,844
I've-I've actually had
to pay attention,
743
00:33:28,883 --> 00:33:30,683
because I've never had
a problem with money,
744
00:33:30,719 --> 00:33:32,009
meaning money's always...
745
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:34,433
Well, this is my feeling
about money.
746
00:33:34,472 --> 00:33:36,022
People--
young people in particular--
747
00:33:36,057 --> 00:33:38,177
say, "I want to become
a movie star
748
00:33:38,226 --> 00:33:39,886
because I'll make
a lot of money,"
749
00:33:39,936 --> 00:33:41,806
or "I want to become
a billionaire."
750
00:33:41,855 --> 00:33:44,475
Blah, blah, blah. I go:
What are you gonna do for it?
751
00:33:44,524 --> 00:33:47,194
Like, forget the money.
752
00:33:47,235 --> 00:33:49,315
What are you gonna give someone
753
00:33:49,362 --> 00:33:53,032
-as a valuable final product
for that money? -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
754
00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:54,704
What is it? Describe it.
755
00:33:54,743 --> 00:33:56,413
Articulate what that is,
756
00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:58,333
-and you'll get the money.
-Mm-hmm.
757
00:33:58,371 --> 00:34:01,041
You know, if-- okay, let's
take my interest as a pilot.
758
00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:03,342
If I'm a really good pilot,
I'm trained well,
759
00:34:03,376 --> 00:34:06,246
I deliver a product,
I will get a job as a pilot.
760
00:34:06,296 --> 00:34:08,086
Not because I want the money,
761
00:34:08,131 --> 00:34:11,181
-but because I give
a good job as a pilot. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
762
00:34:11,217 --> 00:34:12,757
No different with the arts.
763
00:34:12,802 --> 00:34:14,642
Are you gonna give
a good painting,
764
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,059
a painting that people like,
765
00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:17,717
a painting
that people can tribute?
766
00:34:17,766 --> 00:34:19,766
You'll sell that painting.
767
00:34:19,809 --> 00:34:22,479
You don't have to... it's...
The emphasis is wrong.
768
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,150
-It's, "What can I do for..."
-The emphasis is on the wrong thing.
769
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:27,820
-Yes.
-People are thinking about the reward,
770
00:34:27,859 --> 00:34:29,819
-and they're not thinking
about the work. -Yes!
771
00:34:29,861 --> 00:34:32,031
-About the work
and what they can do. -Yeah. Yeah.
772
00:34:32,072 --> 00:34:34,572
Because if you have a passion
and you love to entertain people
773
00:34:34,616 --> 00:34:36,946
and you love to--
in our business--
774
00:34:36,993 --> 00:34:40,083
you love to change
their viewpoint or whatever,
775
00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,921
whatever you do that is special
for the audience,
776
00:34:42,957 --> 00:34:45,457
whether you like it or not,
you're gonna get money.
777
00:34:45,502 --> 00:34:49,092
-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
-I've seen it from the beginning.
778
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:51,090
So, if I could advise
young people,
779
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:53,262
I'd just say:
Please put the emphasis
780
00:34:53,301 --> 00:34:54,931
on what you can do for someone
781
00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:56,929
-as opposed
to what you'll get for it. -Mm-hmm.
782
00:34:56,971 --> 00:34:58,931
It will bite you in the ass
every time
783
00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:00,893
-Mm-hmm.
-if you concentrate on the other.
784
00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:03,814
If you like money that much,
be a banker, be an investor,
785
00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:05,813
you know, play with money,
like, you know,
786
00:35:05,855 --> 00:35:07,605
if you like it that much.
787
00:35:07,649 --> 00:35:09,779
You know, if that's...
if that's your thing.
788
00:35:09,818 --> 00:35:11,778
I, like, I had a saying--
789
00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:13,950
well, not "had,"
'cause it's still a saying--
790
00:35:13,988 --> 00:35:18,028
goes what me and my friends said
early on in our career,
791
00:35:18,076 --> 00:35:20,826
to keep me hungry,
to keep me focused.
792
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:23,290
It was,
"Everybody wants to be famous,
793
00:35:23,331 --> 00:35:26,541
-but nobody wants to do
the work." Right? -(laughs): Right.
794
00:35:26,584 --> 00:35:29,964
Uh, another one that
I've held on to is,
795
00:35:30,005 --> 00:35:32,505
-"Everybody wants to be a lion,
-Mm-hmm.
796
00:35:32,549 --> 00:35:34,629
-till it's time to hunt."
-Mm-hmm.
797
00:35:34,676 --> 00:35:38,636
Right? So... so the cool things
about the things that you do
798
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,060
-Yeah.
-are what opens up the eyes.
799
00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:44,309
-That's right.
-But the underlying truth
800
00:35:44,352 --> 00:35:47,312
-of what has to go
into becoming that thing -Yeah. That's right.
801
00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:49,605
-That's right.
-is what people are sometimes oblivious to.
802
00:35:49,649 --> 00:35:50,649
-Exactly.
-Right?
803
00:35:50,692 --> 00:35:52,442
And it's a simple switch.
804
00:35:52,485 --> 00:35:56,155
If you can really get the idea,
so if you can demonstrate
805
00:35:56,197 --> 00:35:59,827
in different ways, but if they
can make the flip successfully,
806
00:35:59,868 --> 00:36:01,828
they will achieve
what they want to.
807
00:36:01,870 --> 00:36:04,080
But the emphasis always has
to be on the product,
808
00:36:04,122 --> 00:36:06,792
-not on what
you're gonna get for it. -Mm.
809
00:36:06,833 --> 00:36:08,593
-You know?
-I love it. I love it.
810
00:36:08,626 --> 00:36:12,086
-With-with...
the world of flying, right? -Mm-hmm.
811
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:16,260
The most fascinating thing
that I've ever heard was:
812
00:36:16,301 --> 00:36:21,061
John Travolta takes off
and lands at his home.
813
00:36:21,097 --> 00:36:24,887
You're barking up my tree, man,
because when I was younger,
814
00:36:24,934 --> 00:36:27,694
when I was my son's age,
every...
815
00:36:27,729 --> 00:36:31,399
the future looked like
"The Jetsons."
816
00:36:31,441 --> 00:36:34,691
Everybody was gonna have,
you know, a little...
817
00:36:34,736 --> 00:36:37,526
a little, uh, air...
818
00:36:37,572 --> 00:36:40,532
-airplane-type thing,
-(imitating whooshing vehicles)
819
00:36:40,575 --> 00:36:42,365
personal, you know,
a flying car,
820
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:45,710
-Mm-hmm.
-a little flying spaceship, whatever it was.
821
00:36:45,747 --> 00:36:47,707
And then 2000...
the year 2000 came,
822
00:36:47,749 --> 00:36:49,249
and nothing was happening.
823
00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:52,712
And I said:
I'm gonna make my vision
824
00:36:52,754 --> 00:36:54,964
of when I was a ten-year-old
come to fruition.
825
00:36:55,006 --> 00:36:57,466
I'm gonna do it. So I did.
826
00:36:57,509 --> 00:36:59,719
And...
827
00:36:59,761 --> 00:37:03,221
it's been so spectacularly
successful for me.
828
00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:07,564
And I thought that once
I moved to this community
829
00:37:07,602 --> 00:37:09,902
and I, you know,
had this lifestyle,
830
00:37:09,938 --> 00:37:12,068
that I would... I would
bring in lots of people,
831
00:37:12,107 --> 00:37:14,277
celebrities and artists,
that would want to live
832
00:37:14,317 --> 00:37:15,647
the same lifestyle.
833
00:37:15,694 --> 00:37:18,244
It's not turned out,
except for Pitbull.
834
00:37:18,279 --> 00:37:19,609
He's the only one.
835
00:37:19,656 --> 00:37:22,946
Your enthusiasm that you
just this minute expressed,
836
00:37:22,992 --> 00:37:24,912
he's the only one
that I've known
837
00:37:24,953 --> 00:37:27,873
that's expressed
exactly the same enthusiasm.
838
00:37:27,914 --> 00:37:30,004
He said,
"I got to see that house, man.
839
00:37:30,041 --> 00:37:31,881
I got to come to that house."
840
00:37:31,918 --> 00:37:34,628
So I flew him in on my plane
to the house.
841
00:37:34,671 --> 00:37:36,461
He freaked over it.
Freaked over it.
842
00:37:36,506 --> 00:37:38,966
So he said, "I got to live here.
I'm going to move here.
843
00:37:39,009 --> 00:37:41,969
I want to buy a place."
So I said, "Please do that.
844
00:37:42,012 --> 00:37:43,722
"I want company. I want...
845
00:37:43,763 --> 00:37:45,523
-"I want people in this.
-Mm-hmm.
846
00:37:45,557 --> 00:37:48,347
-Because," I said,
"You're Mr. Worldwide. -Mm-hmm.
847
00:37:48,393 --> 00:37:52,113
-You need this even more
than I do, you know?" -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
848
00:37:52,147 --> 00:37:56,897
Uh, so, anyway,
I love that you admired it
849
00:37:56,943 --> 00:37:59,323
-and that you appreciated it.
-Mm-hmm.
850
00:37:59,362 --> 00:38:02,742
But it was a dream
that happened years ago
851
00:38:02,782 --> 00:38:05,162
that I made come to fruition
852
00:38:05,201 --> 00:38:08,501
because I was so disappointed
at the year 2000,
853
00:38:08,538 --> 00:38:11,668
when nobody was flying around
in their own vehicles.
854
00:38:11,708 --> 00:38:12,958
It's gonna happen.
855
00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:15,051
Uber's probably
gonna create drones
856
00:38:15,086 --> 00:38:17,126
that will come pick you up
at your house
857
00:38:17,172 --> 00:38:18,632
-and take you elsewhere
and all that. -(laughs)
858
00:38:18,673 --> 00:38:19,973
It will happen.
859
00:38:20,008 --> 00:38:22,088
But it's a little, like, late.
860
00:38:22,135 --> 00:38:24,635
-You know,
my son will see it, you know, -Mm-hmm.
861
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:26,259
and my daughter will see it.
862
00:38:26,306 --> 00:38:30,556
So... But I just have a vision
of that kind of life
863
00:38:30,602 --> 00:38:32,402
that meant a lot to me,
864
00:38:32,437 --> 00:38:34,937
and, uh,
I'm so happy that you dig it.
865
00:38:34,981 --> 00:38:37,151
-Yeah.
-Because there's not a lot of people
866
00:38:37,192 --> 00:38:38,822
that dig it at your level.
867
00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:40,820
I mean, like,
you really understand it,
868
00:38:40,862 --> 00:38:44,992
-that this was a practical thing
as well as it was a fun thing, -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
869
00:38:45,033 --> 00:38:46,373
-Mm-hmm.
-you know...
870
00:38:46,409 --> 00:38:47,989
That's the part
that I admire the most.
871
00:38:48,036 --> 00:38:52,166
Yeah. I had to be,
uh, in Europe, uh...
872
00:38:52,207 --> 00:38:55,997
in Rome, and I went
from the backyard to Rome.
873
00:38:56,044 --> 00:38:57,464
I came to see you,
874
00:38:57,504 --> 00:38:59,674
and I went from the backyard
to come see you.
875
00:38:59,714 --> 00:39:01,224
-The craziest...
-You know?
876
00:39:01,257 --> 00:39:04,177
...the craziest thing
I've ever heard over a walkie.
877
00:39:04,219 --> 00:39:06,219
You ready?
878
00:39:06,262 --> 00:39:08,892
"Uh, Mr. Travolta has landed.
879
00:39:08,932 --> 00:39:10,392
"He's here.
880
00:39:10,433 --> 00:39:14,103
Uh, he should be here
within an hour."
881
00:39:14,145 --> 00:39:16,145
Nine times out of ten,
882
00:39:16,189 --> 00:39:19,479
"landed" means
the person has arrived to set.
883
00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:21,696
They landed.
884
00:39:21,736 --> 00:39:25,316
They were talking about you
physically landing your plane,
885
00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:28,025
-(laughing)
-and it landed.
886
00:39:28,076 --> 00:39:30,366
"Mr. Travolta has just landed.
887
00:39:30,412 --> 00:39:31,872
He's here."
888
00:39:31,913 --> 00:39:34,793
-Oh, my. What a... what a...
-That's awesome.
889
00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:36,963
What... what a...
890
00:39:37,002 --> 00:39:39,382
a thing to take in and process.
891
00:39:39,421 --> 00:39:41,761
And, you know, once again,
the way I was brought up,
892
00:39:41,798 --> 00:39:45,338
-I was brought up to applaud.
I was brought up to celebrate. -Aw, man.
893
00:39:45,385 --> 00:39:47,885
So, in that
I give you flowers in person.
894
00:39:47,929 --> 00:39:50,889
-Aw, man, thank you.
-Um, you-you sit across from me, man,
895
00:39:50,932 --> 00:39:52,812
like I said, poised, polished,
896
00:39:52,851 --> 00:39:55,731
-but an example
of real strength, an example of, -Thank you.
897
00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:58,570
you know, uh...
898
00:39:58,606 --> 00:40:02,066
I mean, a man that has overcome
899
00:40:02,110 --> 00:40:04,990
and withstood the test of time
900
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:07,370
and all that time
can throw at you.
901
00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:09,327
And life isn't over.
902
00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:12,247
-We just got finished talking
about the next 30 years, -Yeah, what my son said.
903
00:40:12,287 --> 00:40:15,617
what your son said.
So, with that being said,
904
00:40:15,665 --> 00:40:17,535
before we come to an end,
905
00:40:17,584 --> 00:40:20,464
what else does John Travolta
want to do?
906
00:40:20,503 --> 00:40:25,433
Well, I'm looking forward
to basically forwarding the gift
907
00:40:25,467 --> 00:40:29,007
that... the gifts that
I've been given to my children.
908
00:40:29,054 --> 00:40:32,274
And my daughter, Ella, is set.
She's a brilliant actor.
909
00:40:32,307 --> 00:40:35,637
She's a brilliant
song-and-music writer.
910
00:40:35,685 --> 00:40:38,095
Um, she, uh-- and singer.
911
00:40:38,146 --> 00:40:42,356
Uh, my son, I'm-I'm...
coaching for the...
912
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,860
'Cause I love the...
the life of an actor
913
00:40:44,903 --> 00:40:46,153
and life of a performer.
914
00:40:46,196 --> 00:40:47,906
I think there...
there's no better life,
915
00:40:47,947 --> 00:40:49,447
so I'd like them to continue.
916
00:40:49,491 --> 00:40:50,781
-Mm-hmm.
-And Ella's set.
917
00:40:50,825 --> 00:40:52,195
She's gonna be on her way,
918
00:40:52,243 --> 00:40:54,203
and she is already on her way.
919
00:40:54,245 --> 00:40:56,785
And my-my boy,
I need to get him going.
920
00:40:56,831 --> 00:41:01,041
So I want to leave this world
with them doing great, you know?
921
00:41:01,086 --> 00:41:03,416
-And they already are.
But that's... -Mm-hmm.
922
00:41:03,463 --> 00:41:06,933
My main thing is
to pay it forward to them.
923
00:41:06,966 --> 00:41:09,136
I'm so glad
that we took the time
924
00:41:09,177 --> 00:41:10,967
-Aw.
-to truly sit down and talk.
925
00:41:11,012 --> 00:41:14,472
And I'm... and I'm glad that you
were open to doing it this way.
926
00:41:14,516 --> 00:41:17,636
This was... You had no idea of
where the conversation would go,
927
00:41:17,686 --> 00:41:19,806
-No.
-what roads we would go down, man.
928
00:41:19,854 --> 00:41:21,274
-I trusted.
-And it was...
929
00:41:21,314 --> 00:41:23,484
-it was so good, so good.
-Yeah, man.
930
00:41:23,525 --> 00:41:27,605
I'm... I truly do thank you
for information, man.
931
00:41:27,654 --> 00:41:29,204
Information.
932
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,869
I-I'm a fan forever,
I'm a supporter,
933
00:41:31,908 --> 00:41:33,868
and I'm proud to say
I'm a friend.
934
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:37,000
-I mean that, dude. I'm proud
to say that I'm a friend. -Thank you.
935
00:41:37,038 --> 00:41:40,078
Ladies gentlemen,
goddamn it, John Travolta.
936
00:41:40,125 --> 00:41:41,575
-Aw.
-Doesn't get any better than that.
937
00:41:41,626 --> 00:41:43,496
Kevin Hart. Doesn't get
any better than that.
938
00:41:43,545 --> 00:41:44,585
(laughs)
939
00:41:44,629 --> 00:41:46,129
-Holy shit. Damn.
-Okay, look at that.
940
00:41:46,172 --> 00:41:47,512
This is good. Come on, John.
941
00:41:47,549 --> 00:41:49,879
-This is good.
-Come here, baby. Oh.
942
00:41:49,926 --> 00:41:52,046
* *
943
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:54,600
* Go. *
944
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:57,389
Okay, time for today's
life anecdote.
945
00:41:57,434 --> 00:41:59,814
Ladies and gentlemen,
steps are important.
946
00:41:59,853 --> 00:42:02,273
My advice to you is,
count the ones that you take.
947
00:42:02,313 --> 00:42:05,113
The reason why is
because memorization is key.
948
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:08,530
With that being said,
don't do geometry.
949
00:42:11,656 --> 00:42:14,196
Huh? Right?
950
00:42:14,242 --> 00:42:16,292
Don't do geometry.
You get what I'm saying?
951
00:42:16,327 --> 00:42:17,947
'Cause your memorization...
952
00:42:17,996 --> 00:42:18,116
Come on, y'all not picking up
what I'm laying down. Okay.
953
00:42:18,166 --> 00:42:22,716
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