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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,746 --> 00:00:40,706    moody music   2 00:00:40,749 --> 00:00:44,539      [Cindy]   My friend was doing           legal work  3 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:49,216       for Panama and for Noriega,     4 00:00:49,257 --> 00:00:51,127   and my friend said,  5 00:00:51,176 --> 00:00:53,506      "I think maybe       I could make a connection."     6 00:00:53,553 --> 00:00:54,933    I said, "Make the connection."    7 00:00:57,766 --> 00:01:00,766   Noriega was in the papers        all the time.  8 00:01:01,102 --> 00:01:03,272   He was involved    in drug running,  9 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:06,443   and he was not beloved    by the United States...  10 00:01:06,483 --> 00:01:09,073     11 00:01:09,110 --> 00:01:10,360  ...but he was   a wonderful story.  12 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:15,913   So I flew down    with a photographer  13 00:01:15,950 --> 00:01:18,040   from the    New York Post.      14 00:01:18,078 --> 00:01:21,748   We arrived in pitch black,     15 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:24,250  and soldiers with rifles   surrounded us,  16 00:01:24,292 --> 00:01:27,592  and I was terrified.  17 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:29,629      They took us on a dark road--    18 00:01:29,672 --> 00:01:32,932   we didn't know    where we were--to Noriega.     19 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:36,427     20 00:01:36,471 --> 00:01:38,931   Most of the people    who come to him,  21 00:01:38,973 --> 00:01:41,563      cigar ashes are coming down          their shirt.  22 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:43,441  They're fat guys,  23 00:01:43,478 --> 00:01:46,438   or they're gonna ask him        really tough questions.  24 00:01:47,565 --> 00:01:49,025  I don't even know   what to ask him.  25 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:52,447  Where is Panama?   You go to Bermuda.  26 00:01:52,487 --> 00:01:54,107  You make a left.   Where the hell is Panama?      27 00:02:15,051 --> 00:02:16,261   What is he gonna do?  28 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:17,932  Put me in jail?   What's he gonna do?  29 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:19,351  He's gonna love me.  30 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:22,309    jaunty music   31 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:27,610     32 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:31,614   It was the New York take        that he took to.  33 00:02:43,705 --> 00:02:44,535  [Noriega]   Yeah.  34 00:02:48,209 --> 00:02:53,089     35 00:02:58,052 --> 00:03:00,182  [interviewer]    You have a lot of sympathy     36 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:02,721      for people       who are very controversial.     37 00:03:03,892 --> 00:03:06,022  Especially if I'm   getting a story.  38 00:03:06,060 --> 00:03:09,060  [laughs]  39 00:03:09,105 --> 00:03:12,025    dramatic music   40 00:03:12,066 --> 00:03:16,986     41 00:04:11,042 --> 00:04:14,092    upbeat music   42 00:04:14,128 --> 00:04:15,918  [reporter]    It's hard to believe that,     43 00:04:15,964 --> 00:04:18,804       seven years ago,        this city faced bankruptcy.     44 00:04:18,841 --> 00:04:21,141      Everywhere there is the thump         of pneumatic drills,  45 00:04:21,177 --> 00:04:22,757       the whine of a dumper truck,    46 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:24,814   a coppery smell    of quick money.  47 00:04:24,847 --> 00:04:29,137     48 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:30,435  [interviewee]   In the 80s,      49 00:04:30,478 --> 00:04:32,478      there was a mood of excitement  50 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:34,402   and energy coming back.  51 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,900     52 00:04:35,942 --> 00:04:37,492  [Auletta]   Wall Street    had come back  53 00:04:37,527 --> 00:04:39,527  and was printing money   for the city.  54 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:41,780     55 00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:43,323      [Honerkamp]        You know, this was pre-AIDS.    56 00:04:43,366 --> 00:04:45,486   It was lots of fun    in New York.  57 00:04:45,535 --> 00:04:46,735     Everybody was fooling around.    58 00:04:46,786 --> 00:04:48,326     59 00:04:48,371 --> 00:04:49,581  [Wayne]   And that was    the beginning  60 00:04:49,622 --> 00:04:50,712   of the golden age  61 00:04:50,748 --> 00:04:52,878   of the gossip culture.  62 00:04:52,917 --> 00:04:54,287      The golden age, I tell you.     63 00:04:54,335 --> 00:04:57,755     64 00:04:57,797 --> 00:04:59,467  [Honerkamp]    New York City was full  65 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:02,137       of larger-than-life        personalities at that time.     66 00:05:02,635 --> 00:05:06,965     [Linda]   Back then,       New York embraced characters.    67 00:05:07,015 --> 00:05:08,805   You went to a place    like Elaine's,  68 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:12,150      there were newspaper editors,         there were TV journalists,  69 00:05:12,186 --> 00:05:13,596   there were famous actors,      70 00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:16,066   gangsters,    there were mafia members,      71 00:05:16,107 --> 00:05:17,777   there were politicians,  72 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:20,947    and everybody would table-hop,       night after night,  73 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:22,857      and that's how you got scoops.  74 00:05:22,905 --> 00:05:24,525     75 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,663      [Bobby]   Gossip columnists.      76 00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:29,502   They need you    as much as you need them.      77 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:33,706   I took a lot of people    to Elaine's.  78 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:38,304   People like Lauren Bacall,       Clint Eastwood,  79 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:42,088   and then I would call    a columnist.  80 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:43,303  [Honerkamp]   People    like Bobby Zarem,  81 00:05:43,343 --> 00:05:44,893       who had significant clients,    82 00:05:44,927 --> 00:05:46,757   wanted to drop a lead  83 00:05:46,804 --> 00:05:49,064   that they're gonna be    considered for a movie.  84 00:05:49,098 --> 00:05:50,308  Maybe they were,   maybe they weren't,  85 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:52,440   but then    it would be on Page Six,      86 00:05:52,477 --> 00:05:54,187   and that made it seem    like they were.  87 00:05:58,566 --> 00:06:01,106  [Chandler]   I don't think    that you can overestimate      88 00:06:01,152 --> 00:06:04,662   the power of columns    like Page Six in the '80s.     89 00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:06,527   You know, if you wanted    to get something out,  90 00:06:06,574 --> 00:06:07,954   you put it on Page Six.  91 00:06:07,992 --> 00:06:10,372  It was like having   a huge megaphone  92 00:06:10,411 --> 00:06:12,161    that the whole city could hear.  93 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:13,615  [interviewer] As the editor   of Page Six  94 00:06:13,664 --> 00:06:14,794  in the    New York Post,   he has the power  95 00:06:14,832 --> 00:06:16,632      to make and break the famous,  96 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:18,457    the infamous, and the fabulous.  97 00:06:18,503 --> 00:06:20,133  I like to think   that we're sort of  98 00:06:20,171 --> 00:06:21,881     a mini-intelligence service,     99 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:23,223  -you know...   -[interviewer] Yeah.  100 00:06:23,257 --> 00:06:24,797     And that all this information        is coming in,  101 00:06:24,842 --> 00:06:28,182      and we're keeping dossiers           on everyone, and--  102 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:31,221  You're the J. Edgar Hoover   of New York.  103 00:06:31,265 --> 00:06:32,885  [Ben]   Richard was kind of        a reserved guy.  104 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:36,524  He was tall and handsome.       Didn't give a lot away.  105 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:38,272   People got intimidated    by him sometimes,  106 00:06:38,314 --> 00:06:40,114      and they would just natter on         in his presence.  107 00:06:40,149 --> 00:06:42,649  His phone rang all day,   every day.  108 00:06:42,693 --> 00:06:44,113  The amount of information  109 00:06:44,153 --> 00:06:45,913  that does pour in   is pretty amazing.  110 00:06:45,947 --> 00:06:47,697    I think, if they're not trying       to promote themselves  111 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:48,950  or something   that they're selling,  112 00:06:48,991 --> 00:06:50,161  then they're trying to,   you know,  113 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:51,661  destroy an enemy  114 00:06:51,702 --> 00:06:53,252  or wound somebody   who they don't like.  115 00:06:56,165 --> 00:06:59,835     [Rush]   Richard Johnson asked          if I'd help put out Page Six.    116 00:06:59,877 --> 00:07:04,417      Initially, I sort of       didn't want anyone to know      117 00:07:04,465 --> 00:07:06,215  I was doing this.  118 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:08,929   I mean I had graduated    from the august  119 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:12,100      Columbia University       Graduate School of Journalism.  120 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:14,020  But the more time   I spent there, the more  121 00:07:14,058 --> 00:07:17,938    I would look forward     to going into work at Page Six.  122 00:07:17,979 --> 00:07:20,439    soft synth music   123 00:07:20,481 --> 00:07:24,281   What I liked about it    was the marching orders  124 00:07:24,318 --> 00:07:28,738      that I presume Rupert Murdoch         had given the editors  125 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:31,281   was that it should be less     126 00:07:31,325 --> 00:07:35,035  about trivial people   than power.  127 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:40,169     128 00:07:40,209 --> 00:07:42,499      [Ben]   The gossip pages were           the most attractive part  129 00:07:42,545 --> 00:07:43,915   of the    New York Post,  130 00:07:43,963 --> 00:07:45,803  and there's no question   that the gossip columns  131 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,300    is what sold     the    New York Post    every day.    132 00:07:47,341 --> 00:07:50,931     133 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:52,760  [Cindy]   In the early days,       they actually wanted me  134 00:07:52,805 --> 00:07:56,635     to take Page Six, and I said,        "I can't take Page Six.  135 00:07:56,684 --> 00:07:59,354      First of all,       it is written by committee,     136 00:07:59,395 --> 00:08:01,895  and the only thing I have       is a personality.  137 00:08:01,939 --> 00:08:03,609  If you like it, fine.   If you don't like it,  138 00:08:03,649 --> 00:08:05,779  also okay,   but that's what it is."  139 00:08:05,818 --> 00:08:11,118     140 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:13,407  [Rush]   I think you come    to a Cindy column  141 00:08:13,451 --> 00:08:15,331  to see what Cindy thinks   about something  142 00:08:15,369 --> 00:08:18,659    and how she's going to say it.       She is a pro stylist.  143 00:08:18,706 --> 00:08:22,916     She has her own way      of arranging words on a page.    144 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,840    disquieting music   145 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,670     146 00:08:27,715 --> 00:08:29,925  [Arzt]    Well, it's very speedy.  147 00:08:29,967 --> 00:08:32,507   It's a New York    rat-a-tat-tat style.  148 00:08:33,638 --> 00:08:35,468  Very machine gun-like.  149 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:40,475     150 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:45,939      [Rick]   I have gotten chewed           out by clients  151 00:08:45,983 --> 00:08:49,903    by the way Cindy has reported        something that I was a part of.  152 00:08:49,946 --> 00:08:52,276  But she's gonna write it   in her style,  153 00:08:52,323 --> 00:08:53,953  which is a little snarky.      154 00:08:53,991 --> 00:08:58,871     155 00:09:01,832 --> 00:09:05,252    [Cindy]   I am totally New York.    156 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:06,964   I write New York.  157 00:09:07,004 --> 00:09:08,844  I sound New York.  158 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:11,341  You're not gonna read me   in Wichita, Kansas.  159 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:12,934  What the hell do I care?  160 00:09:12,969 --> 00:09:14,679      I don't even know       where Wichita, Kansas, is.      161 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,480     162 00:09:19,517 --> 00:09:21,977   I was walking    along Park Avenue,  163 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:26,399  and there was a great,   aged madam in furs,  164 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,240    and she had a teeny,     teeny, teeny, little dachshund    165 00:09:30,278 --> 00:09:33,108   about 2 inches    above the cement.  166 00:09:33,155 --> 00:09:36,485  And she was bent down,   in her mammoth fur coat,  167 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:40,664    and she was screaming at him,        "Don't you understand English?"  168 00:09:40,705 --> 00:09:43,495    To a German dog, and I thought,  169 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:46,131      "That's only in New York,"      170 00:09:46,168 --> 00:09:47,998  and so I wrote about it.  171 00:09:48,045 --> 00:09:51,005     172 00:09:51,048 --> 00:09:54,588   And then it became part    of the column.  173 00:09:54,635 --> 00:09:59,595     174 00:10:02,852 --> 00:10:04,562  [whiplash]  175 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:10,744  It's the largest   single broadcast station  176 00:10:10,776 --> 00:10:12,356  transaction in history.  177 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:14,163  It's part   of an even bigger deal  178 00:10:14,196 --> 00:10:16,156    involving more than $2 billion    179 00:10:16,198 --> 00:10:18,328      and the sale of       seven Metro Media stations,     180 00:10:18,367 --> 00:10:22,537    including this one, Channel 5,       to media mogul Rupert Murdoch.    181 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:25,080  Murdoch would have access       to almost 20 percent  182 00:10:25,124 --> 00:10:27,634  of the homes in America   that have TV sets,  183 00:10:27,668 --> 00:10:30,048  more than 15 million   of them altogether.  184 00:10:30,087 --> 00:10:32,717    light music   185 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:35,467  [Chandler]   Murdoch wanted        to buy a group of stations     186 00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:37,889   from a company    called Metro Media,  187 00:10:37,928 --> 00:10:40,718  which included stations   in New York,  188 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:42,885  Boston, Chicago, LA.  189 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:46,983  He was gonna launch   a fourth TV network  190 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:49,571    to go up against NBC, ABC, CBS,  191 00:10:49,607 --> 00:10:51,817  and he was gonna call it   the Fox Network.  192 00:10:52,943 --> 00:10:54,953     [Arzt]   But he had a problem.     193 00:10:54,987 --> 00:10:57,567       He could not own Metro Media    194 00:10:57,615 --> 00:11:00,695  if he was not a citizen.  195 00:11:00,743 --> 00:11:03,793  Hey, how are you?  196 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:05,499      [Roger]   After the election,     197 00:11:05,539 --> 00:11:08,169  Roy Cohn arranged   for Rupert Murdoch  198 00:11:08,209 --> 00:11:10,999  to meet the president   in the Oval Office.  199 00:11:11,045 --> 00:11:13,835     200 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:16,971     [Chandler]   When Rupert Murdoch       rang the White House,  201 00:11:17,009 --> 00:11:19,719    they would say, "Oh, the owner       of the    New York Post    is on,"    202 00:11:19,762 --> 00:11:23,392  and the president   would get on the phone.  203 00:11:23,432 --> 00:11:26,482       It was important for Murdoch          to have a platform  204 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,689     that had influence like that,    205 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:32,020    because a lot of his businesses     are regulated  206 00:11:32,066 --> 00:11:34,186      by the federal government,      207 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:37,855  so you know, it helped.  208 00:11:37,905 --> 00:11:40,195     209 00:11:40,241 --> 00:11:44,121     [Arzt]   Sure enough, Reagan       helped him out of this crisis    210 00:11:44,161 --> 00:11:47,461  and helped speed up   his citizenship.  211 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:50,128    [proctor]     The Constitution and the laws.    212 00:11:50,167 --> 00:11:53,877  [all] The Constitution   and the laws.  213 00:11:54,213 --> 00:11:57,173  Reagan is the president   and a conservative  214 00:11:57,216 --> 00:12:00,336  who gets support   from the    New York Post  215 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:03,886  and knows that Murdoch   is a staunch ally.  216 00:12:03,931 --> 00:12:06,891  And so the Reagan   administration supports  217 00:12:06,934 --> 00:12:10,864  the new American citizen   to own 20th Century Fox  218 00:12:10,896 --> 00:12:13,686   and eventually Fox News.      219 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:15,943   Look at the power    Murdoch's gotten  220 00:12:15,985 --> 00:12:17,695   because of the ownership        of things  221 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:19,357   like the    New York Post.      222 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:23,077  There are some people   who are saying  223 00:12:23,117 --> 00:12:25,077  that it'll take you 20 years  224 00:12:25,119 --> 00:12:28,539  to get your Fox Network   on a par with the big three.  225 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,581  Are you prepared   to wait that long?  226 00:12:30,624 --> 00:12:32,134  - Sure. I certainly intend   to live that long,  227 00:12:32,168 --> 00:12:34,208  but I don't believe   in the 20 years.      228 00:12:34,253 --> 00:12:35,763     -[Bryant]   Why? What...      -It will certainly take us...    229 00:12:35,796 --> 00:12:37,296     -[Bryant]   Are you predicting?        -...three or four years.  230 00:12:37,339 --> 00:12:39,259  It could be five years.   It depends  231 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,260  whether we break through   in some big areas.  232 00:12:41,302 --> 00:12:43,852  You said the big three   are aping each other.  233 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:46,718  What are you prepared to offer      that they aren't?  234 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:48,516  Wait and see.  235 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,439    pensive music   236 00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:54,439     237 00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:56,942  I get this call saying,   "Come to New York.  238 00:12:56,984 --> 00:12:58,284    Mr. Murdoch wants to see you."    239 00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:00,569     240 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:04,243   So the next morning,    I met with Rupert.  241 00:13:04,283 --> 00:13:05,953   He was charming.  242 00:13:05,993 --> 00:13:07,873   He laid out this idea  243 00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:10,792   of this kind    of tabloid news show  244 00:13:10,831 --> 00:13:12,631   called    A Current Affair.      245 00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:15,086    He said, "It's just going to be     a different news show.  246 00:13:15,127 --> 00:13:17,167  We're going to do stories       nobody else does."  247 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:20,473  The Utah polygamist siege       ended today,  248 00:13:20,508 --> 00:13:23,838      and we're going to revisit           a polygamist family.  249 00:13:23,886 --> 00:13:28,136      It was a tabloid newspaper           translated into television.     250 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:30,482     It got to the harder stories         pretty quick.  251 00:13:30,518 --> 00:13:33,478  Burt Reynolds kissed you.       Okay, sounds good.  252 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:34,941  You know what?  253 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:36,400  I'm not gonna interview   Burt Reynolds, Scott.  254 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,530  I'm gonna interview you.  255 00:13:37,566 --> 00:13:39,526     [Maury]   We found our stories     256 00:13:39,568 --> 00:13:43,068  from little newspapers   in small towns.  257 00:13:43,113 --> 00:13:45,743     We're chasing down the trail         of this Chippendale  258 00:13:45,783 --> 00:13:49,083    murder-for-hire plot,     and it's got a lot of elements.  259 00:13:49,119 --> 00:13:50,659  I mean, anytime you have   murder for hire,  260 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,334      I mean       that's    A Current Affair   .      261 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:56,004  [Maury]   We believe    that you get eyeballs  262 00:13:56,043 --> 00:13:58,503      with classic Shakespearean           themes.  263 00:13:58,546 --> 00:14:02,586   -Love...lust...conflict   -Out!  264 00:14:02,633 --> 00:14:05,013  [Maury]   Money...death.  265 00:14:05,052 --> 00:14:07,352     [reporter]   Authorities dug up         not only Bert Montoya's body,    266 00:14:07,388 --> 00:14:09,808      but six other corpses as well.  267 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:13,269    That's what tabloid journalism       is all about.  268 00:14:14,353 --> 00:14:15,523  [Chandler]   We were looking       at stories  269 00:14:15,563 --> 00:14:17,023   that you wouldn't see  270 00:14:17,064 --> 00:14:20,194  on ABC, or CBS, or NBC.  271 00:14:20,234 --> 00:14:23,034     These were stories that they         would have put in the trash.     272 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:24,700  I mean, they would have   ripped it off the wire,  273 00:14:24,738 --> 00:14:26,238  and it would have been   in the garbage.  274 00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:27,872  Just print that out,  275 00:14:27,908 --> 00:14:30,038    and just give me one     more track, and that'll be it.    276 00:14:30,077 --> 00:14:32,657      A Current Affair    was staffed    277 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:36,455    by a lot of journalists who'd        worked on Murdoch's newspapers.  278 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:39,040     279 00:14:39,086 --> 00:14:40,626  [Maury]    Steve Dunleavy came over      280 00:14:40,671 --> 00:14:42,881  from the    New York Post,   where he was legend.  281 00:14:42,923 --> 00:14:45,053  [producer]   Give me a level, Steve.  282 00:14:45,092 --> 00:14:47,892      [Steve]   The Quindoys lashed           out at Jackson's reputation     283 00:14:47,928 --> 00:14:49,888       as a pied piper of children.    284 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:53,730     [Maury]   He would call anybody,     go anywhere.  285 00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:58,647    He was the most indefatigable,       classic, tabloid reporter.  286 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:01,685      [Auletta]       He was a Murdoch loyalist.      287 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:03,404     He did for    A Current Affair     288 00:15:03,444 --> 00:15:05,574  what he did   in the    New York Post.  289 00:15:06,113 --> 00:15:10,283      Sensationalized, in-your-face         kind of stories.  290 00:15:10,701 --> 00:15:12,701  You wouldn't pose nude   for anyone?  291 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:14,575  I would not pose nude   for anybody.  292 00:15:14,622 --> 00:15:16,502      Let me show you something.      293 00:15:16,540 --> 00:15:18,750  You have posed nude.  294 00:15:18,792 --> 00:15:20,922  [gasps]  295 00:15:20,961 --> 00:15:23,921    suspenseful music   296 00:15:23,964 --> 00:15:27,264     297 00:15:27,301 --> 00:15:29,601      [Maury]   Oh, boy, did        the legitimate news business    298 00:15:29,637 --> 00:15:31,677   go after us.  299 00:15:31,722 --> 00:15:34,142      I mean, I remember Tom Shales    300 00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:37,023      just skewered me in a column.    301 00:15:37,061 --> 00:15:39,311   He called me every S word        in the word.  302 00:15:39,355 --> 00:15:43,435   He called me smarmy,    and sleazy, and sordid.  303 00:15:44,068 --> 00:15:46,648      There were a lot of people           at Fox Television,  304 00:15:46,695 --> 00:15:50,025      including Barry Diller,       who was running Fox Studios     305 00:15:50,074 --> 00:15:52,794      at the time, who did not like        A Current Affair.  306 00:15:53,202 --> 00:15:57,162  So Rupert bankrolled it   out of his own pocket  307 00:15:57,206 --> 00:16:00,956  and not through   the Fox line items.  308 00:16:01,001 --> 00:16:04,761       I mean Rupert has this great          reputation as a gambler,  309 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:06,717   and he gambled plenty    on this show.  310 00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:12,468  Our big break came less   than a year later.  311 00:16:12,513 --> 00:16:15,643    electronic music   312 00:16:15,683 --> 00:16:17,983     [narrator]   Things just weren't       supposed to end that way.  313 00:16:18,018 --> 00:16:21,148   Not for Jennifer Levin.    Not for Robert Chambers.      314 00:16:25,025 --> 00:16:28,895     [Jeane]   I distinctly remember.       It was 1986.  315 00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:31,866     I came home, I turned on      the TV, and here's this show,    316 00:16:31,907 --> 00:16:34,277  and they're talking   about real, live,  317 00:16:34,326 --> 00:16:36,496   like, New York City crime.     318 00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:39,957    Robert Chambers had killed     Jennifer Levin in Central Park.  319 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:42,579     320 00:16:42,626 --> 00:16:44,416  [Maury]   It was    the Robert Chambers  321 00:16:44,461 --> 00:16:47,131   preppy murder    in New York Central Park      322 00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:50,382   where, during rough sex    with Robert Chambers  323 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:52,676   and this woman, she died.      324 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,470  And that was   a huge, huge story.  325 00:16:56,515 --> 00:17:00,015      And we followed that story           every single day.  326 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:02,230     327 00:17:02,271 --> 00:17:04,611    [Brennan]   We did a reenactment.  328 00:17:04,648 --> 00:17:06,568  We just reenacted   the entire night.  329 00:17:07,901 --> 00:17:11,281       We used one of the copy boys    330 00:17:11,321 --> 00:17:13,531   and a girl    who worked on the staff.      331 00:17:14,908 --> 00:17:17,538     I was alternately fascinated         and appalled.  332 00:17:17,578 --> 00:17:20,038  Here they are, telling me      333 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,750  a crime story   that's very tabloidesque.      334 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:27,379   I mean the    Post    was reporting  335 00:17:27,421 --> 00:17:31,261   on the story every day,  336 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:33,260   but they're telling me    more than I can read.  337 00:17:33,302 --> 00:17:35,932  And they're making   these people real.  338 00:17:35,971 --> 00:17:39,731    In New York City, a new twist        to an already sensational case.  339 00:17:40,017 --> 00:17:42,557  Robert Chambers has been   sentenced to a maximum  340 00:17:42,603 --> 00:17:44,613      of 5 to 15 years in prison      341 00:17:44,646 --> 00:17:46,936      for killing Jennifer Levin           in Central Park.  342 00:17:46,982 --> 00:17:48,822  But her relatives tonight       are saying  343 00:17:48,859 --> 00:17:51,779      that he should be in prison          for the rest of his life,  344 00:17:51,820 --> 00:17:53,280  based on new evidence   suggesting  345 00:17:53,322 --> 00:17:54,992  that he felt no remorse.  346 00:17:55,032 --> 00:17:57,452  It is a home videotape   shot at a party  347 00:17:57,493 --> 00:17:58,793  that Chambers attended  348 00:17:58,827 --> 00:18:01,577  just before his trial   for the murder.  349 00:18:01,622 --> 00:18:04,632  [all] We all fall down!  350 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:08,884  [Brennan]   We came across  351 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:11,051   this sick little piece    of video,  352 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:15,760       this tape of Robert Chambers          with a couple of girls.  353 00:18:15,803 --> 00:18:18,563  He's screwing the head   on this doll,  354 00:18:18,597 --> 00:18:22,097  and he said,   "Oh, I killed her."  355 00:18:22,142 --> 00:18:25,192  - My name is...  356 00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,939  -Oops.   -[hysterical laughter]  357 00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:30,781  I think I killed her.  358 00:18:30,818 --> 00:18:33,028     [Brennan]   We had to buy it off       this guy, but it was like  359 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:36,780     "money in a brown paper bag"         kind of thing, you know.  360 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:40,789  And it was   an amazing piece of tape.      361 00:18:40,828 --> 00:18:43,658     I mean, I really don't know          why everyone is so surprised.    362 00:18:43,705 --> 00:18:46,375     I mean here's a guy that was         able to murder Jennifer,  363 00:18:46,416 --> 00:18:48,786      go home,       take a shower, take a nap,      364 00:18:48,836 --> 00:18:52,626  and, you know--and now,   so he's making fun of it.      365 00:18:52,673 --> 00:18:54,633    I mean, this is just in keeping     with his character.  366 00:18:54,675 --> 00:18:56,965      It was a really sad story,      367 00:18:57,010 --> 00:19:00,810  but it certainly got   everybody's attention.  368 00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:02,978     That made    A Current Affair.     369 00:19:03,016 --> 00:19:05,436  Hello, everyone.   I'm Maury Povich.  370 00:19:05,477 --> 00:19:07,307   Rupert syndicated    the entire show,  371 00:19:07,354 --> 00:19:10,114   coast to coast.  372 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:13,149   That show became    the number one backer,  373 00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:16,613   financially, of the Fox    television network.  374 00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:19,155  [Brennan]   A Current Affair    was  375 00:19:19,199 --> 00:19:22,789       Rupert's weapon        he kept in his back pocket.     376 00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:24,498   I think he wanted    to let Barry know that,  377 00:19:24,538 --> 00:19:27,918   "You're not the only one        who knows how to do TV."      378 00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:29,668     [Maury]       And then everybody copied us.    379 00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:31,920  Inside Edition.  380 00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:33,802  Hard Copy,   a copycat    of    A Current Affair.  381 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:35,379   They started up.  382 00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:38,844  Drama. Lust. Crime.  383 00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:41,386  They started covering   those themes too.  384 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:43,850      Our Cindy Adams is out       in the heart of Hollywood,      385 00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:46,141  where she's surrounded   by some visitors.  386 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,515  Some out-of-towners,     it looks like, Cindy.  387 00:19:48,562 --> 00:19:51,272  Today, we're going to answer   the burning question,  388 00:19:51,315 --> 00:19:53,315  how do aliens make love?  389 00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:57,199      Cindy Adams also came over           from the    New York Post.  390 00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:58,907    What do you wear     when you go to sleep, pajamas?    391 00:19:58,947 --> 00:20:00,367  Nothing.   I sleep in nothing.  392 00:20:00,407 --> 00:20:02,617  -[Cindy] Double bed?   -King size.  393 00:20:02,659 --> 00:20:04,289  -[Cindy] King size bed.   -Mm-hmm.  394 00:20:04,328 --> 00:20:07,328  Peter builds this set   and a throne  395 00:20:07,372 --> 00:20:09,042     and puts Cindy on the throne.    396 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:14,503     As your hard-hitting,      thought-provoking, incisive,     397 00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:16,466     in-depth, thinking reporter,     398 00:20:16,506 --> 00:20:19,886     I am here to get      to the dark roots of it all.     399 00:20:19,927 --> 00:20:21,507      [interviewer] Why did they           build a throne for you?  400 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:23,103  Why not?  401 00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,718  I was a smartass,   smart-mouth queen.  402 00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:29,903     He said,   "You know, feed Cindy's ego.  403 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:31,687  Do it the way   she would love to do it,"      404 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:33,400  and then she bought   right into it.  405 00:20:36,109 --> 00:20:40,739    One of the people     I interviewed was Raquel Welch,  406 00:20:40,781 --> 00:20:44,741    back in the days when she     was somebody, and she came in.    407 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:48,075     She didn't like the lighting.        She didn't like the studio.      408 00:20:48,121 --> 00:20:51,001      She didn't like her makeup.          She didn't like anything,  409 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:52,541  and she definitely   didn't like me.  410 00:20:52,584 --> 00:20:55,714  Well, that's okay.   So she got on, and I said      411 00:20:55,754 --> 00:21:00,094      to her--I remember my very           first warm, fuzzy question.     412 00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:02,343    Would you say you're difficult?  413 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:06,600  Um...  414 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,390  [Cindy] Okay.  415 00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:12,273    Just wondered if you thought         that you were an easy pussycat.  416 00:21:12,312 --> 00:21:14,272  Do I think   I'm an easy pussycat?  417 00:21:14,314 --> 00:21:16,614  I really don't--you know,       I don't have an answer  418 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:18,440  to that question,  419 00:21:18,485 --> 00:21:20,775  but I'm...   this is not...finished.  420 00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:21,781  [Cindy] We didn't mean   to offend you.  421 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:23,572  I didn't mean to offend.  422 00:21:23,615 --> 00:21:24,735     [Raquel] Somebody said to me,        "You're making a big mistake,    423 00:21:24,783 --> 00:21:26,413      because she's a barracuda."     424 00:21:26,451 --> 00:21:30,791  A barracuda?   Me? A barracuda?  425 00:21:30,831 --> 00:21:32,621      [interviewer]       She called you a barracuda.     426 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,290  -Oh, she did?   -[interviewer] Uh-huh.  427 00:21:34,334 --> 00:21:36,714  Oh, she might be right.  428 00:21:36,753 --> 00:21:39,263  [laughs]  429 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,678  [interviewer] Was Cindy   difficult to work with?  430 00:21:42,259 --> 00:21:45,719     There's no problem with Cindy        when you put her on a throne.    431 00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:49,142  [laughs]  432 00:21:50,851 --> 00:21:54,811    She did a good job,     and she broke a lot of stories.  433 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:57,645      Our Cindy Adams has known       Imelda and Ferdinand Marcos     434 00:21:57,691 --> 00:21:59,821  for the better part   of 25 years.  435 00:22:00,152 --> 00:22:02,112  And Cindy's just back   from Hawaii  436 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:04,284     with this exclusive tonight.         Cindy?  437 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:05,623  Thank you, Maury.  438 00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:08,117  Well, it's about   ten hours by jet  439 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,290  and a whole lifetime   away from Manila,  440 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:11,709  but life hasn't changed  441 00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:14,997      all that much       inside the Marcos compound.     442 00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:18,672       It's Mr. President,        and it's Madame First Lady.     443 00:22:19,546 --> 00:22:21,796  I met Imelda Marcos   in Persepolis  444 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,550  in 1971,  445 00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:30,055   and we became friendly,    and I would visit her.  446 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:34,903  I had schlepped over   to Downtown Manila.  447 00:22:34,936 --> 00:22:36,686    gentle music   448 00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:38,690  [interviewee]   Imelda    and Ferdinand Marcos,  449 00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:39,692   her husband--  450 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:41,693   they fled the Philippines.     451 00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:47,122   He was a ruthless    strongman dictator.  452 00:22:47,157 --> 00:22:49,617      They had robbed and cheated          everywhere,  453 00:22:49,659 --> 00:22:51,159  and Imelda was famous  454 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:55,123   for the thousands of pairs       of shoes she had.  455 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:56,625  [reporter]    A composed Imelda Marcos      456 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:58,286   went into federal court    this morning  457 00:22:58,335 --> 00:23:00,875   to enter a not guilty plea       to the indictments  458 00:23:00,921 --> 00:23:03,471       which were filed against her          earlier this month.  459 00:23:03,507 --> 00:23:05,467      [reporter]   Mrs. Marcos        and her husband are charged     460 00:23:05,509 --> 00:23:09,509       with looting the Philippines          of at least $100 million.  461 00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:11,564  That was a big story   at the time.  462 00:23:11,598 --> 00:23:13,388   The Marcoses.  463 00:23:14,101 --> 00:23:17,561      The next thing you know,       Imelda's on    A Current Affair.  464 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:20,728      [Cindy]   Today, the Marcoses     465 00:23:20,774 --> 00:23:22,734   are residents    of the United States.  466 00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:25,696  They feel the press here   has done them wrong.  467 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:27,947      They want to tell their story.  468 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:31,540       I didn't think that she had           done anything so wrong,  469 00:23:31,576 --> 00:23:34,496  and with my mentality,  470 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:37,618      if she had done       something wrong, so what?  471 00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:40,876  You know,   she's one of my friends.  472 00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:43,089   It's Cindy testing.    It's Cindy testing.  473 00:23:59,563 --> 00:24:01,273     [reporter]   The former       first lady of the Philippines    474 00:24:01,314 --> 00:24:03,444       made a bizarre entrance        in federal court yesterday.     475 00:24:03,483 --> 00:24:05,363      She seemed to be dressed more         for a summer ball,  476 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,402   in the Halloween chill.  477 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:09,276      [reporter]   Mrs. Marcos spoke          to the    Post's    Cindy Adams     478 00:24:09,322 --> 00:24:11,782   about why she wore    her national dress,  479 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:13,945      a low-cut gown,       to her arraignment on Monday.    480 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:15,334   Her answer?  481 00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:43,193     [lawyer]   Well, I think that--    482 00:24:47,819 --> 00:24:50,739    dramatic music   483 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:55,830     484 00:24:55,869 --> 00:24:57,249      [Ben]   Cindy has not covered           Imelda  485 00:24:57,287 --> 00:24:59,157   particularly critically.        I would suggest  486 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:01,166     that Imelda is someone who      should be covered critically,    487 00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:03,338     and we shouldn't necessarily         take her word for anything,      488 00:25:03,376 --> 00:25:06,296      but Cindy is cozy       with those kinds of people.     489 00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:10,178     490 00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:12,837     [Rick]   I don't know what it is       about authoritarians  491 00:25:12,886 --> 00:25:15,256  that Cindy loves,   but she's got a lot of--  492 00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:18,305  the biggest ones   are her friends.  493 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,020  [Chandler]   That kind of    turned out to be  494 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:22,350      the secret of Cindy's success.  495 00:25:22,395 --> 00:25:25,975   She had relationships    with a lot of people.  496 00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:27,864  The more controversial   the better,  497 00:25:27,901 --> 00:25:31,361    as far as Cindy was concerned.       She loved controversial people.  498 00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:35,031  Look, when there's   a front-page story  499 00:25:35,075 --> 00:25:36,905  about a bad person,  500 00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:38,912   every single day,    there are stories  501 00:25:38,954 --> 00:25:40,294   about how bad they are,  502 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:41,580       how they should go to jail,     503 00:25:41,623 --> 00:25:42,923   how they should be killed,     504 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:45,498   get rid of them,    they're awful,  505 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:47,964  when you're going to get   the opportunity  506 00:25:48,004 --> 00:25:49,804  to talk to them,  507 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,179  the only shot you have   is to do the other side.  508 00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:55,508      You can't do the same thing          that the papers are doing  509 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,314  every day,  510 00:25:57,347 --> 00:25:59,807  so of course   I would be nice to them.  511 00:25:59,849 --> 00:26:01,689  It's the only way   I could get a story.  512 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:03,899  I'll tell you one thing.  513 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:05,647  You've gotten thinner   through this trial.     514 00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,019  [laughs]  515 00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:10,396  She's sympathetic.   She's loyal,  516 00:26:10,443 --> 00:26:14,243   whether it's Imelda    or any of these people  517 00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:16,581   who we consider    less than savory.  518 00:26:16,616 --> 00:26:18,326       Everyone may not like them,     519 00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:21,078   but that's what gossip    is about.  520 00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:24,081   They are the people    who make news,  521 00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:27,424      and she's trying to make news.  522 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:31,920  Those were my friends,   at that point.  523 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:33,755  I didn't know   the nice little kids.  524 00:26:35,051 --> 00:26:37,141  I knew these people,  525 00:26:37,178 --> 00:26:39,968  so you have to talk   to these people.  526 00:26:40,015 --> 00:26:42,885        bright orchestral music      527 00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:47,814     528 00:26:49,399 --> 00:26:52,859       Roy Cohn gave a dinner party          one night.  529 00:26:52,902 --> 00:26:55,662   It was a small dinner,    maybe 20 people.  530 00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:58,277      Four or five of us at a table.  531 00:26:58,325 --> 00:27:01,235  And there's this guy   next to me,  532 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,576  and I said to him,   "Who are you?"  533 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:07,582   And he said,    "My name is Donald Trump."     534 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:11,546      So I said, "Okay,       so what's a Donald Trump?"      535 00:27:11,588 --> 00:27:13,798   Standing behind him    was Roy Cohn,  536 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,470   and Roy Cohn said,  537 00:27:15,508 --> 00:27:17,968  "One day, this kid  538 00:27:18,011 --> 00:27:20,931      is going to own New York."      539 00:27:20,972 --> 00:27:22,562  I present to you...  540 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,479      [reporter]   He's been called           a master builder,  541 00:27:24,517 --> 00:27:27,267   a man of vision    and great creative powers.     542 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,232   He's also been called    an egomaniac,  543 00:27:29,272 --> 00:27:31,152   a ruthless    and dangerous figure.  544 00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:32,821  Which is going to be   spectacular,  545 00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:34,279  something that New York   has never seen,  546 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,029    with elevators on the outside,       and atriums,  547 00:27:36,071 --> 00:27:38,321  and the largest ballroom   in the city.  548 00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:39,985    [reporter]   He is Donald Trump,    549 00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:42,623   New York's    controversial developer.      550 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,711     551 00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:47,417  [Ben]   Donald Trump always        wanted to be famous,  552 00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:49,127  and how you become famous       in New York City  553 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:51,287  is you get   in the gossip columns.  554 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:53,666   In the 1980s,    he used to pretend  555 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:56,383   to be his own spokesman    called John Barron,  556 00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,804       so John Barron would call up          the papers and plant items      557 00:27:58,843 --> 00:28:00,353   about what a great guy    Donald Trump was.  558 00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:01,757  And of course,  559 00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:03,005  you would be speaking   to Donald Trump himself.  560 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:13,400  [Greenberg]   Okay.  561 00:28:13,441 --> 00:28:15,861      One day,       I played my voice messages,     562 00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:18,782    and it was like, "Hello, Linda.     This is John Smith.  563 00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:21,322     Donald Trump      is being surrounded by models    564 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:23,986  at the restaurant,"   and I just--beep.  565 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:26,495  Delete. My brother said,   "Is that not a scoop?"  566 00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:28,788     I said,      "It's him with a fake voice."    567 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:38,171  And he's the one   who says fake news.  568 00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:40,216  He was always   creating fake news.  569 00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:42,217  [Auletta]    Most prominent people,  570 00:28:42,262 --> 00:28:44,102   if a gossip reporter    calls 'em,  571 00:28:44,139 --> 00:28:46,389      they don't respond.       They don't answer the call.     572 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:48,733  Donald had   the opposite approach.  573 00:28:48,768 --> 00:28:50,188  "I'm gonna talk to them."      574 00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:52,358  He would always get   on the phone.  575 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:54,267  He was always   promoting something.  576 00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:57,435    Anything to advance his cause.    577 00:28:57,485 --> 00:29:00,195    sinister music   578 00:29:00,238 --> 00:29:03,578   Trump had been schooled    by Roy Cohn  579 00:29:03,616 --> 00:29:06,076   in the art    of manipulating tabloids.      580 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,119  [Auletta]   And what did he        learn from Roy Cohn?  581 00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:11,923  Attack.   Never admit you're wrong.      582 00:29:11,958 --> 00:29:13,958  Leak to the press.  583 00:29:14,002 --> 00:29:16,922    Have your friends, particularly     in the gossip press,  584 00:29:16,963 --> 00:29:19,723      and everything'll be fine.      585 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,928      [reporter]        Developer Donald Trump says     586 00:29:21,968 --> 00:29:24,388       he's now built the world's            tallest concrete skyscraper.    587 00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:28,389  [reporter]   The 59-story    building is located  588 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:31,103   at Fifth Avenue    and 57th Street.  589 00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:34,194       18 of the floors are retail           and commercial space,  590 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:36,360   with 38 floors occupied  591 00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:40,069   by some 266    luxury condominiums.  592 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,568  [Cuozzo]    When he built Trump Tower,     593 00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:45,695     he was      such a master self-promoter.     594 00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:48,242       He would say some celebrity           was interested  595 00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:51,406   in buying an apartment    in his building.  596 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:52,826  [interviewer] Tell us   a little bit about the people      597 00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:54,544  and what's happening   in the building.  598 00:29:54,584 --> 00:29:56,214  Well, I can say,   and as you know,  599 00:29:56,252 --> 00:29:57,672  and as we discussed,  600 00:29:57,712 --> 00:29:59,422  I can't talk about   the people going in,  601 00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:00,924     but I think we have probably         the most exceptional group  602 00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:03,005    of people     going into any single building    603 00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:06,141  that's really--   that's ever happened.  604 00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:09,348  [reporter]   Speculation    that the Princess of Wales     605 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:12,270   didn't just fly to America       for a weekend with friends     606 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:13,600   have been raised    with press reports  607 00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:15,855   from the United States.  608 00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:18,187   The press reports claim    the Princess wants to move     609 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:21,363      to the famous Trump Tower,       saying she met with the owner,  610 00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:22,992   millionaire developer    Donald Trump,  611 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:25,569   to discuss the purchase.      612 00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:27,735      [Cindy]   I would do whatever           Donald told me,  613 00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,624    but I didn't say she did move.    614 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:33,872    I said she was maybe going to.    615 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,670       There are all sorts of ways           to do it.  616 00:30:39,712 --> 00:30:43,472      You use "It is rumored that,"    617 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,548       you say "There's word that,"    618 00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:50,599       "What you're hearing people           whisper about is,"  619 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,600      or the famous word alleged.     620 00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:57,483      "It is alleged. It is alleged.  621 00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,442   It is alleged."  622 00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:03,194  And then you can get away       with anything.  623 00:31:09,951 --> 00:31:11,701  Probably just missed   Flo Anthony.  624 00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:14,044  Page Six.  625 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,170      [Rush]   People talked to us            because they had an agenda.     626 00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:20,589    Now, you know, we're not naive.  627 00:31:20,628 --> 00:31:23,258      We know we are being used.      628 00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:24,878  We're all playing   the same game.  629 00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:26,514  I'll scratch your back.   You scratch mine, right?  630 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:27,891  I know this about you.  631 00:31:27,927 --> 00:31:29,507  I won't print it  632 00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:31,014  if you promise   to give me something.  633 00:31:31,055 --> 00:31:32,345     Another story down the road.     634 00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:33,980  A quid pro quo.  635 00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:35,727  Favor trading,  636 00:31:35,768 --> 00:31:38,018  the same as it's been   since time immemorial.  637 00:31:38,062 --> 00:31:40,732    What are you gonna do for me?        That's the lifeblood of gossip.  638 00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:43,403       There was an old press agent    639 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:46,913   named Sy Presten who had    really low-grade clients.      640 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:49,240   Chock Full o' Nuts,  641 00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:52,122   and The Gym Source,    and Nirvana restaurant.  642 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,080       So Sy would go out        and try to scare up gossip,     643 00:31:56,122 --> 00:31:58,082      and he would give you tips,     644 00:31:58,124 --> 00:32:00,254      and they would have nothing          to do with his clients.  645 00:32:00,293 --> 00:32:02,593      But if he landed two items      646 00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:04,759  that had nothing to do   with his clients,  647 00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:08,887     then, in the old gossip rule,        you owed him an item.  648 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,757       bouncing electronic music     649 00:32:11,804 --> 00:32:13,604     650 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,140       And that's why, in Page Six,          you often saw items  651 00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:17,944   that were odd,    like some celebrity  652 00:32:17,977 --> 00:32:20,267   ordered gym equipment    from The Gym Source.  653 00:32:20,313 --> 00:32:25,443     654 00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:28,775      So sometimes, the gossip world       was about favor trading  655 00:32:28,821 --> 00:32:30,111   and access,  656 00:32:30,156 --> 00:32:32,826  but it was also   about settling scores.  657 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,956   And Rupert Murdoch knew  658 00:32:36,996 --> 00:32:39,786       how to play the gossip game           as well as anyone.  659 00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,131     [Rush]       Frequently, the gossip column    660 00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:46,920  is kind of the SWAT team  661 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:50,125  for the publisher   to besmirch a rival  662 00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:53,216   or extract    some kind of vengeance.  663 00:32:53,262 --> 00:32:55,892      There was a kind of payback     664 00:32:55,932 --> 00:32:59,642  that, you know, Page Six   could be used for.  665 00:32:59,686 --> 00:33:01,806  [bell rings]  666 00:33:01,854 --> 00:33:05,944    tranquil music   667 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,904  In the 1980s,   the    New York Post  668 00:33:08,945 --> 00:33:10,815  was in a terrible feud   with Paul Newman.  669 00:33:10,863 --> 00:33:12,823     670 00:33:12,865 --> 00:33:15,325      Basically, Paul Newman's name         was banned from the paper,  671 00:33:15,368 --> 00:33:17,198   unless it was negative.  672 00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:21,415  [Rush]   He had made a crack       about the    New York Post.      673 00:33:23,209 --> 00:33:25,339   At the time,    it had been reported  674 00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:28,128   that he was 6 feet tall,      675 00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:30,512      and somebody told Page Six      676 00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:32,720     that he couldn't possibly be         that height,  677 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,600      and so Richard Johnson made it       his business to disprove  678 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,180       that Paul Newman was as tall          as people thought he was.  679 00:33:40,226 --> 00:33:45,186     680 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:51,197    And then there was Ted Kennedy.  681 00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:54,946  [Chandler]    Kennedy despised Murdoch      682 00:33:54,991 --> 00:33:57,871    because the    Post     was very, very critical of him.  683 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,117  [Rush]   Clearly,    he was staunchly liberal,      684 00:34:01,164 --> 00:34:03,964      and his politics conflicted     685 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,500  with those   of the    New York Post,  686 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:09,304   and so that, you know,    made him fair game.  687 00:34:09,338 --> 00:34:12,218    melancholy music   688 00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:15,218     689 00:34:15,261 --> 00:34:18,721   - The paper just    creamed Kennedy.  690 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,595     - You could not write enough         negative stories about him.      691 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:27,726      Anything about Ted's partying    692 00:34:27,774 --> 00:34:30,074   or horn-dogging    was to be pursued.  693 00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:32,859     694 00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:34,534      [reporter]   Michele Cassone,     695 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:36,912   a cookie-sized daughter    of a Connecticut baker,  696 00:34:36,949 --> 00:34:38,369   reported that senator  697 00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:40,699       Ted Kennedy        wandered throughout a party     698 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:42,575   without the benefit    of his pants.  699 00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:43,962  No pants?  700 00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:46,378  No pants.  701 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:48,667      Murdoch also owned        Boston Herald    at the time,     702 00:34:48,711 --> 00:34:51,461     which, of course,      is Ted Kennedy's home ground.    703 00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:55,302      We had a columnist up there          called Howie Carr  704 00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:58,303   who would write stuff    about Ted in every column.     705 00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:02,103  You know, fat, fat Ted.  706 00:35:04,143 --> 00:35:05,273  [reporter]   For more    than a decade,  707 00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:07,111   media mogul Rupert Murdoch     708 00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:09,436   has fashioned    the    Post    in the sassy,      709 00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:11,442   impudent style    that is the trademark  710 00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:13,784   of his tabloids    in Australia and London.      711 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,360   But Murdoch's expanding    empire ran afoul  712 00:35:16,405 --> 00:35:18,445   of Massachusetts senator        Ted Kennedy.  713 00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:21,451     There was a law on the books         in the United States  714 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:24,874  that you could not own   a television station  715 00:35:24,914 --> 00:35:27,584  and a newspaper   in the same city.  716 00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:28,785  [reporter]   Murdoch had    an exemption,  717 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:29,955   until his archenemy,  718 00:35:30,002 --> 00:35:32,302   Senator Edward Kennedy,    killed it.  719 00:35:32,338 --> 00:35:34,418      Mr. Murdoch was well aware           of the law  720 00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:36,335  when he acquired   his television stations  721 00:35:36,384 --> 00:35:38,684  in Boston and New York.  722 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,099  He had a choice then,   and he has a choice now.  723 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,230      He can keep his newspaper,      724 00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:46,687  or he can keep   his broadcasting station,      725 00:35:46,727 --> 00:35:48,647     but he can't keep them both.     726 00:35:48,938 --> 00:35:50,358      [Chandler]   So you either had          to give up the paper  727 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:52,018      or give up the TV stations.     728 00:35:52,066 --> 00:35:53,686  He obviously wasn't gonna       give up the TV stations,  729 00:35:53,734 --> 00:35:55,784    because he'd just bought them,    730 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:59,450  so he was forced to sell   the    New York Post.  731 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:02,620    Now, the FCC has given Murdoch       until March 6th  732 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:04,250      to sell the    New York Post,     733 00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:06,457  but Murdoch says that   he can't find a buyer  734 00:36:06,497 --> 00:36:08,827    for the money-losing newspaper,     so it may fold.  735 00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,085  [Cuozzo]   We had a lot    of people  736 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,667      walking through the office,           and sort of kicking the tires,  737 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:16,473   and looking around,    for months on end.  738 00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:18,797    And none of them had the least       real interest in  739 00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:21,103  or ability to buy   the    New York Post.  740 00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:22,507  [buyer]   Is this the last    Post   ?  741 00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:26,015     [seller] No. It will not be.     742 00:36:26,058 --> 00:36:27,188  It's about the end   of this, huh?  743 00:36:27,226 --> 00:36:28,436  [seller] Oh, no.  744 00:36:28,477 --> 00:36:30,687  There was   a "Save the Post" rally  745 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:32,270      out in front of the building,         on South Street.  746 00:36:32,315 --> 00:36:33,815  Save our jobs.   We got families.  747 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:35,438  That's right.  748 00:36:35,484 --> 00:36:36,904      [Cuozzo]   All the guys there           from the unions  749 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:38,494   and everybody afraid that,       you know,  750 00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,779   this great institution    would disappear for good,      751 00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:44,044  and it went right down   to the wire.  752 00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:46,196     [reporter]   If the    New York          Post    had died this morning,     753 00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:48,615      doubtless, some editor       would have invented a headline  754 00:36:48,664 --> 00:36:51,754   that said, "Post publisher       pulverizes paper."  755 00:36:52,126 --> 00:36:54,546   Instead,    a much more upbeat banner,     756 00:36:54,587 --> 00:36:57,337       in typical tabloid typeface.    757 00:36:57,381 --> 00:36:59,591     758 00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:02,354  [Cuozzo]    Rupert found Peter Calico,     759 00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:05,096       a prominent real estate        developer, and very wealthy,    760 00:37:05,139 --> 00:37:07,019   and good friend    of Donald Trump.  761 00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:10,768      He had no media background           or experience,  762 00:37:10,811 --> 00:37:14,521   but he wanted the    Post.    His intentions were good.      763 00:37:15,024 --> 00:37:17,074  [Rupert]   I'm very happy     to be able to announce...  764 00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:19,239  [reporter]   Owner    Rupert Murdoch proclaimed      765 00:37:19,278 --> 00:37:21,658       the paper's salvation        at two o'clock this morning.    766 00:37:21,697 --> 00:37:23,617     It's good to be in business.     767 00:37:25,534 --> 00:37:28,584      [Chandler]   In New York,        Murdoch sold the newspaper.     768 00:37:28,955 --> 00:37:31,365     In Boston though, he decided,    769 00:37:31,415 --> 00:37:33,125  because he was so upset   with Kennedy,  770 00:37:33,167 --> 00:37:35,207  that he would actually   keep the newspaper  771 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,263  and sell the TV station.  772 00:37:37,797 --> 00:37:40,587   I went to the editor    of the    Boston Herald,  773 00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:43,433   and we waged a campaign    against Ted Kennedy.  774 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:48,810   We were on his case 24/7,      775 00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:50,729   and Murdoch just loved it.     776 00:38:11,163 --> 00:38:14,333  This was a picture   of Joey's 80th birthday.  777 00:38:16,002 --> 00:38:18,802      It was in a Helmsley hotel.     778 00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,968  Imelda was there.  779 00:38:21,007 --> 00:38:22,297  Gotti was there.  780 00:38:22,341 --> 00:38:24,051     It was some of the best people  781 00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:25,643     who have since been in jail.     782 00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:26,888  I mean, it was   one of those parties.  783 00:38:26,929 --> 00:38:29,809    jaunty music   784 00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:34,099     785 00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:39,228  I thought I'd throw   a little party for Joey.  786 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:43,945     This is Joey's 80th birthday.    787 00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:46,738  His. Not mine.  788 00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:51,701      [Cuozzo]   Cindy--among her        many, many aptitudes in life    789 00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:54,416     is that she's      the greatest party organizer     790 00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:55,617  that ever lived.  791 00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:57,456  -[partygoer] Hello.   -Hi, Jared.  792 00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:00,421  All the girls love me.   I can't help it.  793 00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:03,973     [Cuozzo]   In the same room, you       had Alan Alda, Tony Bennett,     794 00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:08,638       the governor, Donald Trump,           and Barbara Walters.  795 00:39:08,763 --> 00:39:10,933   You get all these    extraordinary people.  796 00:39:10,973 --> 00:39:14,393  And I think that this is   the party of the year.  797 00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:17,555   Everybody who's anybody    is here tonight.  798 00:39:17,605 --> 00:39:20,145  Out!  799 00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:22,651    Henny Youngman told the     funniest jokes I've ever heard.  800 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:24,243  Nice to see Imelda here.  801 00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:26,158  She's been in Israel,   planting a shoe tree.  802 00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:32,242      Joey, you look like you did          20 years ago: old.  803 00:39:32,286 --> 00:39:34,496  Joey Adams.   Sex takes a holiday.  804 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:41,342      I really want to thank you,          on behalf of my Joey,  805 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:43,049  that you all came.  806 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:44,629  That the mayor,   and the governor,  807 00:39:44,673 --> 00:39:46,513  and so many of the people      808 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:49,970  that make up the fabric   of New York are here.  809 00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:52,142      It's very meaningful to us,     810 00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:55,981  and I cannot tell you   how thrilled I am  811 00:39:56,018 --> 00:39:58,598  or as thrilled   as I can ever be,  812 00:39:58,646 --> 00:40:00,646  at $175 a head.  813 00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:07,028     The big joke that went around        was if you're indicted,  814 00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:08,451  you're invited.  815 00:40:08,489 --> 00:40:10,239    It was true.     There were all sorts of people    816 00:40:10,282 --> 00:40:12,832   who were in trouble    in one way or another.  817 00:40:12,868 --> 00:40:16,248  [Cindy]   We had Gotti,    who was going to jail.  818 00:40:16,288 --> 00:40:18,918    Happy birthday, Joey   819 00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:21,458     [Cindy]   Imelda was acquitted.    820 00:40:21,502 --> 00:40:23,302    Happy birthday   821 00:40:23,337 --> 00:40:25,297      [Cindy]   And Leona Helmsley.     822 00:40:25,339 --> 00:40:26,879  She got into a problem,  823 00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:28,594     and they were gonna send her         to the can.  824 00:40:33,681 --> 00:40:35,351  Harry and Leona Helmsley,  825 00:40:35,391 --> 00:40:36,931  one of the world's     wealthiest couples,  826 00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:39,556    are charged tonight with     cheating on their income taxes.  827 00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:41,613     [reporter]   The Helmsleys owned       vast amounts of real estate,     828 00:40:41,647 --> 00:40:43,017   including    the Empire State Building      829 00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:45,065      and a chain of luxury hotels.    830 00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:47,779   Their worth could be    as high as $10 billion.  831 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:50,450       The government charges        that the Helmsleys renovated    832 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:52,449   their $11 million    Connecticut estate  833 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:53,911   and wrote the cost off  834 00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:55,951   as a business expense    on their taxes.  835 00:40:55,995 --> 00:40:57,905        suspenseful synth music      836 00:40:57,955 --> 00:40:59,285      [Cindy]   Leona Helmsley was      837 00:40:59,331 --> 00:41:01,631   the queen of New York    for a while.  838 00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:03,787   She was married    to Harry Helmsley.  839 00:41:03,836 --> 00:41:06,796      Harry Helmsley       was the number one realtor.     840 00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:08,469      He'd been married a few times.       He met Leona.  841 00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:11,087   She was in    the realty business.  842 00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:13,005  She married him.   She's not stupid.  843 00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:15,143  [reporter]   Queen Leona,  844 00:41:15,181 --> 00:41:17,811   mistress of, watchdog of,      845 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:19,270   every elegant touch    at her palace.  846 00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:20,690  Comfortable?  847 00:41:20,728 --> 00:41:24,108  Am I comfortable?   I make a living.  848 00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:26,148      [Auletta]   By all accounts,      849 00:41:26,192 --> 00:41:29,322     she was a miserable      human being and dictatorial,     850 00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:34,071   authoritarian,    abusive to her staff.  851 00:41:34,116 --> 00:41:35,906  -What do you do?   -[guard] Security.  852 00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:38,451  Security.   We don't need security here.  853 00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:40,496  Let's go outside.   We have people outside.  854 00:41:40,539 --> 00:41:43,379  -It's being repaired.   -No, no. That's dirt.  855 00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:47,336  How do you repair dirt?   Let's get it up.  856 00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:49,339      [Auletta]        The tabloids went after her     857 00:41:49,381 --> 00:41:51,681   because she was    sensational gossip  858 00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:53,507  and attracted readers.  859 00:41:53,552 --> 00:41:56,352     860 00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:59,348   The    New York Post    didn't do her any favors.      861 00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:04,690   I mean she was great copy,       and they just savaged her.     862 00:42:06,899 --> 00:42:08,359  [interviewee]   In fact,    it was a reporter  863 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,360   named Ransdell Pierson  864 00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:13,662   who worked at the    Post    who first showed  865 00:42:13,697 --> 00:42:17,737       how she was cutting corners           and not paying her taxes.  866 00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:19,365    [Ransdell]   She's a tough bird.    867 00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:24,001    I would pit her up     against people who have really,  868 00:42:24,041 --> 00:42:27,171     you know, been in the gutter         and have done those crimes.      869 00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:30,208  [Cuozzo]   Supposedly,    people who worked for her      870 00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:32,166   in the Connecticut estate        that they owned  871 00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:34,086   quoted    Leona Helmsley as saying,      872 00:42:34,134 --> 00:42:36,184  "Only the little people   pay taxes."  873 00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:37,930    If the Helmsleys are convicted,  874 00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,272  they face penalties   of four years in jail  875 00:42:40,307 --> 00:42:43,437  and fines of $5,000   on each felony count.  876 00:42:43,477 --> 00:42:47,057  I am not going to jail.   I've done nothing wrong.  877 00:42:47,398 --> 00:42:50,478      I have done nothing wrong.           I'm innocent.  878 00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:54,236  My only crime is that   I'm Leona Helmsley.  879 00:42:55,906 --> 00:42:58,236  Cindy was one of Leona's   biggest defenders.  880 00:43:30,941 --> 00:43:33,781    pensive music   881 00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:38,779     882 00:43:44,121 --> 00:43:47,041  [interviewer]   Why were you       so willing to defend her?      883 00:43:47,082 --> 00:43:49,172  What kind of a question   is that?  884 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:54,590   Listen, I knew them    from the old days.  885 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:58,802   I knew Harry.    I knew her in her heyday,      886 00:43:58,844 --> 00:44:01,814   when she was giving    glamorous parties.  887 00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:04,977  I didn't think   she had hurt anybody,  888 00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:08,307     if she was fixing up a home.         I didn't think that that  889 00:44:08,354 --> 00:44:12,324  was some dreadful thing   to put her away.  890 00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:17,238     891 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:31,502  [Leona]   Okay.  892 00:44:31,543 --> 00:44:36,723     893 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,390  [Cindy]   I thought,    "Take $5 million,  894 00:44:40,427 --> 00:44:42,257   if that's what it is."  895 00:44:42,304 --> 00:44:44,974   Give it to the poor.    Take her money away.  896 00:44:45,015 --> 00:44:48,975    Do something good for humanity,  897 00:44:49,019 --> 00:44:50,729  and give me a front page.      898 00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:00,069   Talking to you,    you get the feeling  899 00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:02,534     that you are a survivor.      That you will survive, no...     900 00:45:02,574 --> 00:45:03,834  -Oh, I am a--   -[Cindy] ...matter what.  901 00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:05,867  I'm a survivor.   I'm a survivor.  902 00:45:07,371 --> 00:45:10,541   I really and truly--    I don't like doing  903 00:45:10,582 --> 00:45:12,382   anything wrong.  904 00:45:12,418 --> 00:45:14,288      [Cindy]   If anything happens,          what are your reserves?  905 00:45:14,336 --> 00:45:15,876   How will you survive it?      906 00:45:15,921 --> 00:45:18,841   In what direction?    If I went to jail?  907 00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:20,802   I'm not going to jail.    I've done nothing.  908 00:45:20,843 --> 00:45:22,893      Oh, she went to jail, kids.     909 00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:26,560  Time has run out   for hotel tycoon  910 00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:29,388  turned tax cheat   Leona Helmsley.  911 00:45:29,435 --> 00:45:31,015  As of four o'clock   this morning,  912 00:45:31,061 --> 00:45:32,601  she has a new address:  913 00:45:32,646 --> 00:45:34,516  a Kentucky jail.  914 00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:36,645  [reporter]   Leona was found       guilty  915 00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:38,192   of evading more    than $1 million  916 00:45:38,235 --> 00:45:39,945   in federal income tax,  917 00:45:39,987 --> 00:45:42,317      guilty of charging $4 million         in personal expenses  918 00:45:42,364 --> 00:45:44,414       to the Helmsley businesses.     919 00:45:49,788 --> 00:45:52,458  Does she have any friends   at all?  920 00:45:52,499 --> 00:45:55,379     Not a lot, no, and you know,     921 00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:57,799  when you have friends   because of power,  922 00:45:57,838 --> 00:45:59,168      and you       suddenly lose the power...      923 00:45:59,214 --> 00:46:00,474  [interviewer] Yeah.   Goodbye friends.  924 00:46:00,507 --> 00:46:02,257  There's nobody.   There's nobody.  925 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:04,261    She's got this big, indoor     swimming pool, in Connecticut.    926 00:46:04,303 --> 00:46:06,763     There's nobody in it      but the maids and the lawyers.  927 00:46:06,805 --> 00:46:07,845  Look, we all have   our good points  928 00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:09,480  and our bad points.  929 00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:12,596     One of my limited good points    930 00:46:12,644 --> 00:46:14,944  is intense loyalty.  931 00:46:16,648 --> 00:46:19,108      If somebody's been good to me,  932 00:46:19,151 --> 00:46:21,491   I will pay them back    forever and ever.  933 00:46:23,614 --> 00:46:25,784       But if you were evil to me,     934 00:46:25,824 --> 00:46:28,544      I'll get you either       in this life or the next one.    935 00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:33,541  My mother was in her 80s.       Very fragile.  936 00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:38,001   Not well mentally.    She had Alzheimer's.  937 00:46:38,045 --> 00:46:41,005    gentle music   938 00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:43,378     939 00:46:43,425 --> 00:46:47,135   She was in Florida,    and after Leona  940 00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,889   got out of prison,    she said to me,  941 00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:54,192  "Oh, I have this big home       and this big pool,  942 00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:56,478   and you must have    your mother come over."  943 00:46:56,522 --> 00:46:58,942       She pushed me, so my team--     944 00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:01,362   her nurses--    took her over there.  945 00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:04,736   I get a phone call.  946 00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:08,780    They have brought the marshals    947 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:13,206  in from Miami   to throw my mother out,  948 00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:16,827       because the team of guys        who were taking care of her     949 00:47:16,875 --> 00:47:21,165   that I loved were gay,  950 00:47:21,213 --> 00:47:25,763   and Leona didn't want    anybody gay in her pool.      951 00:47:26,802 --> 00:47:30,972     And as a result,      she had the marshals come in     952 00:47:31,014 --> 00:47:35,104  and throw my 85-year-old   mother out.  953 00:47:37,604 --> 00:47:39,904  I explained to Leona,  954 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:44,030      "I will see       that you are assassinated.      955 00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:47,949    I will kill you, maybe, myself.  956 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:50,950    somber string music   957 00:47:50,993 --> 00:47:55,873     958 00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:07,547  You do that to my mother,      959 00:48:07,593 --> 00:48:09,183  the only creature I loved      960 00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:12,809   in my entire whole life,      961 00:48:12,848 --> 00:48:15,348  and you think I'm just   going to walk away?  962 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:18,896  I'm going to walk away   with your head, Leona."  963 00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:25,356      She has an edge, you know,      964 00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:27,742  in what she says   and what she writes.  965 00:48:27,779 --> 00:48:29,659      You know, if you get       on the wrong side of Cindy,     966 00:48:29,698 --> 00:48:32,738  she can be merciless.  967 00:48:32,784 --> 00:48:34,044  Merciless.  968 00:48:35,537 --> 00:48:36,957      I never spoke to her again.     969 00:48:36,997 --> 00:48:39,247    I mean, I only had one thought       in my head,  970 00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:41,251    and that was to have her done.    971 00:48:42,252 --> 00:48:45,462  Killed. Shot. Banged.  972 00:48:45,505 --> 00:48:48,085      Run over.       Pick your thing. Poisoned.      973 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,310     You have to watch, you see,          that I'm doing this for you,     974 00:48:54,348 --> 00:48:55,888  but you have to watch,  975 00:48:55,933 --> 00:48:58,103     because if I come off saying         all of these things--  976 00:48:58,143 --> 00:48:59,193  and that's the part   that you do.  977 00:48:59,227 --> 00:49:00,977  I will find you.  978 00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:03,731  You understand that?   I will locate you.  979 00:49:03,774 --> 00:49:05,444    [interviewer] I am fully aware.  980 00:49:06,234 --> 00:49:09,324  [laughs] Okay.  981 00:49:11,365 --> 00:49:14,275    dramatic music   982 00:49:14,326 --> 00:49:19,286     86219

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