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My son's killers were
identified 13 years ago.
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I thought the killers
would just be arrested.
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Never expected getting
justice to be my job.
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Stephen's body was covered
in bruises and abrasions
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from being kicked and punched.
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There were two stab wounds, on the
right collarbone and left shoulder.
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We've found Stephen's
blood. Found it where?
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On Gary Dobson's jacket.
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We're looking at a 15-year
game of pass-the-parcel
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when it comes to exhibits.
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If I was the defence,
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I would be saying the blood stain
was the result of contamination.
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So why do you need me?
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Because forensics
alone won't be enough.
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The DPP has agreed that
we can charge Gary Dobson
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and David Norris for
Stephen's murder.
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I hope to execute the
arrests within the week.
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We're ready.
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OK?
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Yeah. Yeah, just
thought I should, er
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you know.
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He's had a long wait.
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Today's the day.
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Today's the day.
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Let's get to work.
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The world and his dog knows
that, for the last five years,
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we've been investigating
young Stephen's murder.
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One of our suspects is
a definite flight risk,
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and if he gets a whiff
of what we're up to,
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he'll be on the first
flight out to Belarus.
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So, timeline.
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The targets themselves are
in two separate locations,
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so we need to synchronise
their arrests.
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Number one... is Gary Dobson.
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How are we gonna
find him? Yeah, yeah.
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He's, er, in Belmarsh,
doing a five-year stretch
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for trafficking 350Ks'
worth of cannabis.
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To preserve the secrecy
of the operation,
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we won't execute the arrests until
he's out of earshot of the screws.
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Norris - bit more difficult.
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No fixed address. He's been
crashing at mates' houses.
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Currently residing in a room
above a pub in Greenwich.
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Once we pick him up, we
take him to Sutton nick,
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where there's a video link to
Camberwell Magistrates' Court,
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so we can get proceedings
underway as quickly as possible.
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So the boys at Sutton
nick do know, then?
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I'm glad you asked me that.
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Welcome to Operation Sirwoy
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a highly sensitive action
against a Tamil drug gang
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operating out of East Ham.
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Well, we had to tell
them something.
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Operation Sirwoy's targets
are Gurutither Dobaranga
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and Daaresh Nattar.
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GD and DN for short.
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Any questions? Sirwoy?
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After Sir Roy Hodgson,
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who took Fulham FC all the
way to the UEFA Cup Final.
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You can be as indiscreet as
you like about Operation Sirwoy
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because, of course, it
doesn't actually exist.
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So, ladies and gentlemen,
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I'm gonna have to ask you
all to hand in your phones
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for the duration
of this operation.
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Today, you'll be going
out to arrest Gary Dobson
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and David Norris on suspicion of
the murder of Stephen Lawrence.
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Good luck.
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You coming with? Thought
you'd hang back here.
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If this goes wrong, I'm
gonna answer for it myself.
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What's this all about?
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Police! Open the door.
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Hands behind your
back. Stand still.
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David Norris, I'm arresting you
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on suspicion of the murder
of Stephen Lawrence.
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You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence
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if you do not mention
when questioned
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something which you
later rely on in court.
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Anything you do say may
be given in evidence.
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This again? Sweet.
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For a minute there, I thought
it was something serious.
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The riot squad's
a bit much, innit?
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Feel sorry for you.
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Wasting your time,
to be honest, mate.
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You could be out there,
chasing real criminals.
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Book him in, quick as you like.
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There's another one coming in a
minute, and I don't them to meet.
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So I suppose you won't be needing
the Tamil translator, then?
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Name?
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I'd like you to tell me how
Stephen Lawrence's hair was found
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on the jeans seized from your
bedroom on May 7th, 1993.
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No comment.
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I am asking you to account for the
presence of Stephen Lawrence's blood
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on a grey jacket found
in your possession
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at the time of your
arrest. No comment.
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Is there any account that
you can give us right now,
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so that we can go away
and prove your innocence?
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No comment.
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David Norris, you're charged
that, on the April 22nd, 1993,
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you did murder Stephen Lawrence,
contrary to common law.
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You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence
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if you do not mention now something
which you later rely on in court.
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Anything you do say may
be given in evidence.
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Do you have any response,
Gary, to the charge of murder?
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Nothing whatever. No comment.
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Done?
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Done.
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Hello?
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'Mr Lawrence? It's Clive.'
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Clive.
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Oh, sorry. I always forget
the time difference.
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Is it...? It's five
in the morning. Go on?
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We arrested and remanded
them this morning.
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'We're going to trial.'
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Thank you, Clive.
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Now... Thank you.
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After a
lifetime of waiting,
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the parents of Stephen
Lawrence were in court today
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for the start of
a trial of two men
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accused of stabbing the
Black teenager to death.
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What forensic
scientists found on clothes,
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including a bomber jacket and jeans
alleged to belong to the accused,
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Gary Dobson and David Norris,
is at the centre of this trial.
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The question facing the jury is how
the fibres and fragments got there.
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The prosecution case against
Gary Dobson and David Norris
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is that they participated in a
joint attack on Stephen Lawrence.
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This was a group of
likeminded young white men
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who acted together in the
execution of this attack as one
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on seeing two young Black men.
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The only discernible
reason for the attack
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was the colour of their skin.
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Members of the jury, on
the night of his murder,
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Stephen was wearing
a red polo shirt.
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Fibres from that shirt
were found on the clothing
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of both Dobson and Norris,
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and a human hair matching Stephen's
DNA was found on Norris' jeans,
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and a spec of Stephen's
blood was found on the collar
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of Dobson's jacket.
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The charge brought
against Gary Dobson
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is based on unreliable evidence.
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At the time Stephen
Lawrence was being attacked,
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Gary Dobson was at home,
at his parents' house.
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He is innocent of this charge.
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Now, the, er, papers in
this case are voluminous,
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but the actual physical evidence
upon which this charge is based
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wouldn't fill a teaspoon.
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The truth is
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that, in the 13 years preceding
this apparent forensic breakthrough,
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there were manifold
opportunities
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for blood and fibres
from Stephen Lawrence
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to make their way onto
Gary Dobson's clothing.
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Members of the jury, the
simple fact is... Clive.
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David Norris was not in Eltham
on the night of April 22nd, 1993.
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The clothing seized from his
home did not belong to him.
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He is entirely innocent of...
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Sure.
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Yeah, bye.
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It's Duwayne. What about him?
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He's here, isn't
he? He's on soon.
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He's here, he's here,
but... his dad died.
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Oh, God. He passed
away last night.
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We'll just have to
reschedule, won't we?
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Let me talk to him.
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Here.
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Thank you.
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I wanna do this... for Steve.
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And you will, but, er...
take a few days, eh?
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I'm sure we can shuffle
things around. I'm here now.
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It's amazing that you
are, and we're grateful.
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But this is gonna be tough. No.
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They've been let off the
hook for long enough.
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I'm ready.
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I heard a voice from
my left, so I turned.
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These guys were running
across the road.
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One of them shouts,
"What, what, nigger?"
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I was afraid, so I ran.
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I shouted to Steve to run.
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I thought he was just
behind me, but when I turned
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when I turned around...
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The jury should be aware
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that Mr Brooks' father sadly
passed away last night.
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He has chosen to give
evidence as planned.
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If you require a break at
any point, Mr Brooks...
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I'm OK.
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The group converged on Steve.
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When I looked back, I saw
one of the guys had a weapon,
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ran straight into him, and then
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wham.
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Just like that.
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What was the approximate
size of the weapon you saw?
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It was about this
big, and it was shiny.
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But then Steve jumped
up, so I was relieved.
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He caught up, and
we were running.
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We were both running.
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Then he kept asking
me, "What's wrong?"
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"What's wrong with me?"
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That's when I saw
blood was streaming out
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from around his neck.
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Through...
through his jacket.
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I'm sorry.
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We was running,
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and Steve's blood was
dripping on the floor...
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Mr Brooks, would you
like to take a break?
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I can deal with this
quite quickly. No. No.
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I wanna say what happened.
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He kept saying to me,
"What's happened to me?"
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And I told him to
just keep running
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because I was frightened that
the guys would come back round.
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He then said to me...
One last time, he said,
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"Duwayne..." and his
voice was all funny.
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And that's when he
fell... at the tree.
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Thank you, Mr Brooks.
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No further questions.
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Mr Brooks?
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Um
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You did him proud.
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I hope it works.
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It's time we had some justice.
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Come on, Mum.
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He was asking questions.
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Who was? Your brother.
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He was scared.
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He wanted to know what was
happening, and I wasn't there to
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to answer him.
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Mum...
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I wasn't there
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to hear him, to comfort him.
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The motive
for the murder
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of the London teenager
Stephen Lawrence
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was set out in court today.
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It was, said the prosecution,
the colour of his skin.
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The jury heard how he was swallowed
up by a gang of white youths
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who had shouted a racist insult.
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Our crime correspondent Jon Clements
was at the Stephen Lawrence trial
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and heard today's evidence.
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You searched Mr Dobson's
bedroom on May 7th,
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seizing a cardigan and
a jacket, exhibit LH/5.
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Where did you find the jacket?
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It was in the wardrobe, hanging
up with some other clothes.
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I took it off the coat hanger,
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folded it up and put
it in an exhibits bag.
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Miss Holden... in your role
liaising with the victim's family,
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you visited the Lawrence
household on April 23rd, 1993,
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the day after Stephen died.
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Then again April
25th, 27th and 28th,
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with a final trip on April 29th.
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Is that correct?
That is correct.
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Hmm.
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When you searched Mr
Dobson's bedroom on May 7th,
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did you not think to
yourself, "Just a minute
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"I was in the Lawrence
household just last week.
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"It might not be a good idea for me
to be at the two different scenes"?
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It was over a week later, and I
was wearing different clothes.
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Also, I do wash
fairly frequently.
252
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:05,616
Hm.
253
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,096
I didn't think there was
any risk of contamination.
254
00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,336
Are you absolutely sure?
255
00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,336
And can you swear, on oath,
256
00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,376
that you didn't wear any
of the same clothing?
257
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,896
Positive.
258
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,456
We're talking about events
almost 18 years ago.
259
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,216
How can you be so sure?
260
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,336
I knew I was going
into a search,
261
00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:27,600
so I chose clothes that, if they got
soiled or whatever, didn't matter.
262
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:39,496
We support Mr Roberts.
263
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,896
The jury has been
sufficiently educated
264
00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,520
on the clear opportunities
for contamination.
265
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,816
That didn't go too
well today, did it?
266
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,616
The defence are just doing
their job, sowing doubt.
267
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,136
Long way to go yet.
268
00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,576
The jury only wanna know one thing
- how did Stephen's blood get there?
269
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,376
In the end, they can't answer that
question, and we can, tomorrow.
270
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,320
I hope you're right.
271
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,576
Mr Jarman, you and your team
carried out microscopic analysis
272
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,976
of the suspects' clothing.
273
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,616
Could you tell the
court what you found?
274
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,456
We made a number of finds.
275
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,656
There were fibres matching
Stephen's polo shirt
276
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,576
found on Gary Dobson's jacket,
277
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,816
and fibres matching Stephen
Lawrence's green trousers
278
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,576
and red polo shirt were found
on David Norris' sweatshirt.
279
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,856
Fibres that matched the cuff and
wristband of Stephen's jacket
280
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,416
found on Gary Dobson's cardigan.
281
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,376
The two hairs found on David
Norris' trousers were a 1,000-to-1
282
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,376
mitochondrial DNA match
to Stephen Lawrence.
283
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,176
A blood stain matching Stephen's
284
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,856
was found on the collar
of Gary Dobson's jacket.
285
00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,896
The defence have
repeatedly raised concerns
286
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,536
regarding cross-contamination.
287
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,976
In your view, is it possible
288
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,896
that the blood staining
to Mr Dobson's jacket
289
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,296
could have occurred later, at
Eltham Police Station, for example?
290
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,056
The nature of the staining,
the fact that the blood
291
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,216
has been absorbed into
the fibres of the jacket,
292
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,216
indicates that the
blood was still liquid
293
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,160
when it made contact
with the jacket.
294
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,176
Er, you said earlier that the
blood... Where are we now?
295
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,936
"Must have been wet" when it
was transferred to the jacket.
296
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,056
Is it possible that blood
fragments were moistened
297
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,536
during the course of the tests
298
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,696
you and your team carried
out on the jacket?
299
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,336
Well, this was a
hypothesis we explored.
300
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,816
In the event, we discovered that
exposing the fragments to moisture
301
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,696
caused them to become
gel-like, but not liquid.
302
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,936
This did not produce
a comparable stain.
303
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,976
It couldn't soak into
the weave of the fabric.
304
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,816
Isn't it true that
different blood samples
305
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,656
taken from the same individual
can have different compositions,
306
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,496
different characteristics?
Well, yes, there are a number...
307
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,880
Simple yes or no will suffice.
308
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,256
And the rigorous
tests you carried out,
309
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,496
exposing blood
samples to moisture,
310
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:13,216
they have not actually been carried
out with the specific blood sample
311
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,440
on the collar of the jacket. Well,
no, that wouldn't be possible.
312
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,456
But that does mean, does it not,
313
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,496
that we cannot completely
exclude the possibility
314
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,216
that the stain was produced
by your own testing?
315
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,136
In terms of likelihood,
the probability...
316
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,160
It wouldn't be right to
exclude it, would it?
317
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,096
We haven't excluded it.
318
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:40,376
However, it is a
statistical impossibility.
319
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,296
The probability is so low as to
bear no mention in any reasonable,
320
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,896
rational argument, which leaves us
with the more viable conclusion...
321
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,096
Thank you, Mr Jarman.
..that the... Thank you.
322
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,216
That the wearer of the jacket
was involved in the attack
323
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,096
on Stephen Lawrence.
324
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,096
Is this right? The defence
are trying to stop us
325
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,256
from showing surveillance
footage of Dobson and Norris?
326
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,456
Yeah, they claim that character
evidence isn't relevant
327
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,176
and could prejudice the jury.
328
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,696
But this is a racially
motivated murder.
329
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,936
Whether those two are racist
or not is very relevant.
330
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,016
That's exactly what
Mr Ellison is arguing.
331
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,976
Let's hope the judge sees sense.
332
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,040
But for now, all
we can do is wait.
333
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,696
On the bright side, Mr Jarman didn't
do too badly yesterday, did he?
334
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,336
Not what the papers are saying.
335
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,056
I told her not to look at them.
336
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,016
I wanted to see what
the jury are reading.
337
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,480
The jury aren't allowed to
read the papers. Oh, please.
338
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,296
"Stephen Lawrence trial.
Forensics do not fit."
339
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,496
Well, th-that's not right!
340
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,040
The defence haven't
proven any contamination.
341
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,320
I mean, where are they
getting this stuff?
342
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,816
Excuse me. Excuse me.
Are you in court 15?
343
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,496
Er, no, I'm 16, the
Lawrence case. Your case.
344
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,656
Are you sure?
345
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,536
Because from what
you've been writing,
346
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,856
I'd swear you were
watching a different trial.
347
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,096
I mean, anyone reading it
348
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,176
would think the prosecution
was about to collapse.
349
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,056
Where are you getting
your information from?
350
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,816
To be honest, we're getting most
of it from your press office.
351
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,616
They seem, er, pessimistic.
352
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,600
The Met are feeding you this?
353
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,736
What are you doing?
354
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,219
Think I know where all the
negative coverage is coming from.
355
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,696
Unbelievable. That's
how the brass work.
356
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,336
They wanna lower expectations
in case it doesn't go our way.
357
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,600
Or maybe they don't
want a conviction.
358
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,816
We're getting called back in.
359
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,256
The judge said yes to the
tapes. Oh, that is a result!
360
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,136
And now, we get to
cross-examine them.
361
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,297
How come?
362
00:24:17,321 --> 00:24:19,576
Well, the defence aren't
gonna want that horror show
363
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,976
to be the only impression the
jury get of their clients,
364
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040
so they'll have to
put 'em on the stand.
365
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,856
'He got my
arm, twisted it behind my back,
366
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,136
'started mucking about.
367
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,176
'And I had a Stanley
knife in my pocket,
368
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,736
'so I pulled it out, I bit
the thing off, and I said,
369
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,920
' "That'll do there, Mick, before
I end up fucking cutting you."
370
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,696
'All fucking day, he was
getting on my nerves, you know?
371
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,816
'I said, "You tap me once
more, you silly cunt",
372
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,840
' "I'm gonna just fucking
slice this down you." '
373
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,296
'If I was gonna kill
myself, do you know what I'd do?
374
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,416
'I'd go and kill every Black
cunt, every Paki, every copper,
375
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,896
'every mug that I know.
I'm telling you, right?'
376
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,976
'I'd go down Catford, places
like that, I'm telling you,
377
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,056
'with two sub-machine guns.
378
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,656
'I'd take one of them, skin
the Black cunt alive, mate.
379
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,216
'Torture him, set him alight.
380
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,296
'I'd blow the two legs and arms
off and say, "Go on, swim now." '
381
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,896
The court
has just watched footage
382
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,096
filmed 17 years ago, when
you were a young man.
383
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,600
We heard you frequently
use racial slurs.
384
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,456
How do you feel
about that language?
385
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,336
Well... I think,
with that, like,
386
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,536
I've always listened to
hip-hop over the years,
387
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,216
so I used to use the N-word.
388
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,056
We heard you threaten violence
against a Black colleague.
389
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,376
Were you a violent man at
that time? No, not at all.
390
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,616
All it was was a bit
of friendly banter.
391
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,880
Workplace banter kind of
thing. A bit of bravado.
392
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,616
Can you account for your whereabouts
on the evening of April 22nd, 1993?
393
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,856
I was at home. I stayed in.
394
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,576
I had some curry,
played on the computer,
395
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,136
and then later, about half 11, I
went to Neil and Jamie's house.
396
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,296
Why did you visit the
Acourt brothers' house?
397
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,936
Just visiting my mates.
398
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,536
I wanted to borrow a
Bob Marley CD off 'em.
399
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,056
So, to confirm, at 10:40pm, the time
of the attack on Stephen Lawrence,
400
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,120
you were at home? Yeah.
401
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,776
Gary, did you have anything
to do with the events
402
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,776
that led to the death
of Stephen Lawrence?
403
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,520
No, I didn't.
404
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,216
Mr Dobson, how can you
account for a jacket
405
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,296
stained with Stephen Lawrence's
blood being found in your wardrobe?
406
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,936
I never even wore that jacket.
407
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,616
Never? Well, I wore it
to school once or twice,
408
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,656
and I had the complete mick taken
out of me, so I never wore it.
409
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,416
The problem is, the jacket
appeared to be heavily worn.
410
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,336
It had cigarette
burns, a broken zipper.
411
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,056
Yeah, it was worn. It
got worn, but not by me.
412
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,856
Who had been wearing
it, Mr Dobson?
413
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,576
My mum, my auntie, my
brother. Your auntie?
414
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,800
Yeah.
415
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:58,536
I suggest to you that you went
out with your friends that night.
416
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,416
You were coming home across Well
Hall Road at about ten thirty,
417
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,216
and you saw two Black
boys on your manor.
418
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,256
You saw their very presence
as a provocation. No.
419
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,040
And you attacked them, didn't you?
Definitely not. Absolutely not.
420
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,816
Did you have anything to do with
the death of Stephen Lawrence?
421
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200
No. Certainly not, no, sir.
422
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,560
The jeans seized by police
from your home on May 7th, 1993
423
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,856
did they belong to you? No, sir.
424
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,800
They were my brother's jeans.
They'd have been too loose for me.
425
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,656
How, Mr Norris,
can you be so sure
426
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,896
you were not in Eltham
the night of the murder?
427
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,120
Cos I'm innocent.
428
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,496
You insist you were nowhere
near the scene of this murder,
429
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,096
and yet, as we have seen, fibres
matching Stephen Lawrence's clothing
430
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,856
and hairs matching
Stephen Lawrence's DNA
431
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,640
were found on your clothing.
432
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,576
Is there any
innocent explanation
433
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,416
for how those hairs and fibres
could have got on your clothing?
434
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,240
Nothing at all.
435
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,136
A little earlier, we
heard a recording of you
436
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,176
saying you would like
to kill Black people.
437
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,816
You have a murderous
hatred of Black people,
438
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,696
don't you, Mr Norris?
No. No, not at all, sir.
439
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,616
The truth is, you and your mates
attacked that young Black boy
440
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,496
that night, didn't you?
No, absolutely not, sir.
441
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,776
It was a school night.
442
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,656
There's no way David would
have been out at that time.
443
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,096
How can you be sure?
444
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,056
I had a routine, and I
was very strict with it.
445
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,040
They all knew they
had to be back.
446
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,096
Mrs Norris, isn't it true
that this is the first time
447
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,496
there has been a
breath of this alibi?
448
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,616
It is, is it not,
a recent invention?
449
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,096
No, that's not right.
450
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,456
Why has it only just
occurred to you that your son
451
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,056
was at home at the
time of the murder?
452
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,296
I didn't realise at the time
that it was a school night.
453
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,336
Of course, David wasn't actually
going to school, was he?
454
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,240
At 16, he'd finished school.
455
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,896
Why would a school night
have any relevance to him?
456
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,056
He had to stick to my rules,
the same as the rest of my kids.
457
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,280
My son would have been at home.
458
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,976
I went into the
kitchen at 10:30pm,
459
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,976
and that's when Gary
came in and made toast.
460
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,216
He had a pair of shorts on, so
I could see he hadn't been out.
461
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,416
Mrs Dobson, in your
1993 statement,
462
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,440
you say that Gary came down
to the kitchen at 10:45pm.
463
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,296
Why has this changed?
464
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,336
Well, 10:30, give or
take a few minutes.
465
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,496
Stephen Lawrence was killed
shortly after 10:30pm,
466
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,096
a few minutes away
from your home.
467
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,120
If we give Gary ten minutes, if we
have him in the kitchen at 10:45pm,
468
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,176
the time you gave in
your original statement,
469
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,616
then he no longer has an alibi.
470
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,496
No, he didn't do
it. He wasn't there.
471
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,520
Gary was in all evening.
472
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Those two women.
If it was your son
473
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,120
wouldn't you encourage them
to take responsibility?
474
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,496
I mean, if you don't give
your children a conscience,
475
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,096
then what have you given them?
476
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960
I think you've got an
optimistic view of human nature.
477
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,576
I meet a lot of young people
in my work in schools.
478
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,056
Some of them tough, you know.
479
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,576
Have to fend for themselves.
Mothers working shifts.
480
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,120
But most of these kids, when you
take the time to get to know them
481
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,776
they ain't bad.
482
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,480
You can see that they've
been given some goodness.
483
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,000
My grandmother raised me.
484
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,896
She was tough, but she was kind.
485
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,440
She drummed it into me
- be kind to everyone.
486
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,200
She didn't have much, but
487
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,640
she gave me that.
488
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
And I gave it to my children.
489
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,616
There are a few
key questions you must answer
490
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,736
before reaching a verdict.
491
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,496
You must decide if
the blood and fibres
492
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,936
found on the accused clothing
came from Stephen Lawrence.
493
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,136
If you're satisfied on this
point, you must then consider
494
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,816
whether you can exclude the
possibility of contamination.
495
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,776
The character of the
defendants is irrelevant,
496
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,496
unless you are convinced
by the physical evidence
497
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,800
putting them at the scene of
Stephen Lawrence's murder.
498
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,816
We shall reconvene
on January 3rd
499
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,056
for the jury to
consider their verdict.
500
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,240
And I wish you all, in
advance, a happy New Year.
501
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,656
Got you some birch
for the fireplace.
502
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,616
Yeah, it, er... burns
hotter than pine.
503
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,256
Smells nicer, too.
504
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,536
You don't need to chop down a tree
just to pop over for a cup of tea,
505
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,240
you know, Clive.
506
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Thank you.
507
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,336
Any plans for New Year? Oh,
I'm too old for all that.
508
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880
I'm on baby-sitting duty.
509
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,320
You're worried, aren't you?
510
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,936
It's the waiting.
511
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,320
This festive break is
not good for my nerves.
512
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,240
Well, I've had plenty of
practice with waiting.
513
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,480
Normally, when the jury
retires, that's it.
514
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,736
Whatever will be will be.
515
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,040
But, er... this case
516
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,760
your family, er, needs justice.
517
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,656
Clive, I've sacrificed
18 years of my life
518
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,136
fighting for
justice for Stephen,
519
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,696
but even if we win this
case, it won't be job done,
520
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,440
not for me.
521
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,736
To get this close...
522
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,080
You did all you could, but
justice is bigger than this case.
523
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,856
The judge said a
reinvestigation of the case
524
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,656
had led to new
scientific evidence.
525
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,096
The two accused men questioned
the handling of that evidence.
526
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,776
'Would all parties in
the case of Dobson and Norris
527
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,720
'please report to court 16?'
528
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,456
'Would all parties in the
case of Dobson and Norris
529
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,440
'please go to court 16?'
530
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,440
Time to be put
out of our misery.
531
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Will the defendants
please stand?
532
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Would the foreman of
the jury please stand?
533
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,360
Have you reached a verdict on both
cases on which you are all agreed?
534
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,776
We have.
535
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,360
The verdicts in this case will
be received in complete silence.
536
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,896
Do you find the defendant
David Norris guilty
537
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,840
or not guilty on this
indictment of murder?
538
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,056
Guilty. GASPS.
539
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,696
Do you find the defendant
Gary Dobson guilty
540
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,600
or not guilty on this
indictment of murder?
541
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,496
Guilty.
542
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,016
He's innocent! He did
not kill that man!
543
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,656
You've condemned an
innocent man here today.
544
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Hope you can live with that.
545
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Is DCI Driscoll in court?
546
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,496
Yes, sir, My Lord.
547
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,296
You've been leading this
investigation since 2006.
548
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,457
Yes, My Lord.
549
00:36:53,481 --> 00:36:57,776
This is a case that has shamed and
humbled the Metropolitan Police.
550
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,256
However, you and your officers
have worked incredibly hard,
551
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,416
and you deserve to be commended.
552
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,656
A measure of justice has
finally been achieved.
553
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,416
On the evidence
before the court,
554
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,656
there are at least three
other killers at large.
555
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,656
I expect you will continue your
efforts to bring them to justice.
556
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,240
Yes, My Lord.
Thank you, My Lord.
557
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,360
Congratulations, Mrs
Lawrence, Mr Lawrence.
558
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,040
We got there in the end, eh?
559
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,936
Mr Lawrence. Yeah?
560
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,320
Congratulations.
561
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,920
Thank you, Clive.
562
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,056
Do you have a statement?
Why did this take so long?
563
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,216
What's your reaction
to the verdict?
564
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,736
What about
the other suspects?
565
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,016
As senior investigating officer,
I welcome today's verdicts.
566
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,016
This is a case of
extraordinary importance,
567
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,176
not just to the
Metropolitan Police...
568
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,136
And all this time, I
thought you were SIO.
569
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,856
But to society at large.
Only if we'd lost.
570
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,256
We know that there were
more than two attackers
571
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,040
involved in this murder.
572
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,056
I would encourage any member of
the public who has information
573
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,640
that could support our ongoing
investigation to come forward.
574
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,840
Today is not a cause
for celebration.
575
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,280
How can I celebrate
when my son lies buried?
576
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,976
Now that we have
some sort of justice,
577
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,936
I want people to
think of Stephen
578
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,840
not only as a Black teenager
murdered in a racist attack.
579
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:23,600
I want people to remember him
as a bright, beautiful young man
580
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,680
that any mother would
have been proud of.
581
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,640
I miss him with a passion.
582
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,040
My greatest hope
583
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,896
is that these people now realise
584
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,920
that they've been found out,
585
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,816
and they're gonna
lie down in their bed
586
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,456
and think that they
are not the only ones
587
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,920
responsible for the
death of my son.
588
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,656
And they're gonna give
up the rest of the people
589
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,336
so that I can come out
here again in a year's time
590
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,400
and talk to you people again.
591
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,576
Mr Lawrence,
do you...? Thank you.
592
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,176
Do you have a message
for the other suspects?
593
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,736
You know, for so many years,
594
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,616
I resented those men
for not repenting.
595
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,616
But seeing them in the
court...
596
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,936
I pitied them, to
be honest with you.
597
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,320
You must have felt as though
a great weight was lifted.
598
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,920
I'm not ready to
forgive. Not yet.
599
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,200
But, for the first time
600
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,520
it feels possible.
601
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,640
I can imagine
leaving them behind.
602
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,656
The Home
Secretary, Theresa May,
603
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,736
has ordered a review
into allegations
604
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,296
that police corruption hampered
the original failed investigation
605
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,320
into the murder of
Stephen Lawrence.
606
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,336
Mark Ellison QC, the barrister
who secured convictions
607
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,616
against two of Stephen's
murderers earlier this year,
608
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,840
will head the review.
609
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,016
Stephen's mother,
Doreen Lawrence,
610
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,640
is meeting with the Home Secretary
to clarify the terms of reference.
611
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Mr Ellison. How lovely
to see you again.
612
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,216
Do you know how many man hours I've
spent trying to get hold of these?
613
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,016
That's funny, it took me about
15 minutes to dig 'em out.
614
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,936
Thank you.
615
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,256
Anything else I can
do, just let me know.
616
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,360
We're all on the
same side, after all.
617
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,536
Like the judge said, we've got
three killers still at large.
618
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,016
The way I see it, your case is
only as good as your best witness,
619
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:16,040
and my hope is that the convictions
will sway a few key people
620
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,296
who were previously,
er, reluctant.
621
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,816
As you can see, the following
people came forward in '93,
622
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,336
but were never followed up on.
623
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,880
We're very hopeful of being
able to track them down.
624
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,896
Before we get into the detail,
625
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,496
I think we should discuss
the oversight of the case
626
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,120
and management of the
investigation going forward.
627
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,816
Dropping off those
tickets. Fulham-Arsenal.
628
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,736
One for you, one for Stuart.
Ah, looking forward to it.
629
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,320
Stuart said he'll try
and go easy on you.
630
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,760
What is it?
631
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,976
They're letting me go.
632
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,600
They're sacking you?
633
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,736
Compulsory retirement. Huh!
634
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,336
There'll be a handover.
635
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,656
They asked me to hand
over my rapport with you,
636
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:12,896
as a matter of fact.
637
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,896
They can't do that. I'll
talk to the Home Secretary.
638
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,136
I'm two years over my 30.
639
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,176
It's, er... It's at
their discretion.
640
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,136
They could keep me on if they
wanted to, but, er, well,
641
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,016
they don't want to.
642
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,896
This is how they reward you
for getting convictions?
643
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,296
They should be
giving you medals.
644
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,096
It's all right, Doreen.
645
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,696
It's like you said - justice is
bigger than a couple of convictions.
646
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:40,760
I mean, they can stop me, but
no-one's ever gonna stop you.
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