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[Haunting music]
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♪ ♪
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- Land soaks up trauma.
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I got this flashing vision.
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It spelled out bloody murder.
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[Woman screams]
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- I had never experienced
anything like this.
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- There was this
beast on this earth.
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- There was a huge
sense of urgency.
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We knew beyond
a shadow of a doubt
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that this guy was
gonna strike again.
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- Somebody help!
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- The clock was ticking.
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- Amie Hoffman went
missing on November 23, 1982.
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Back in 1982,
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I was commander
of investigations
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of the parsippany
police department.
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Amie Hoffman was a
resident of our town.
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We had found amie's car,
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and her pocketbook
was left on the front seat.
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The driver's door was left open.
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We didn't know whether
she was abducted.
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We didn't know
whether she ran away.
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We just didn't know the
reason why she was missing.
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- It was a couple of
nights before Thanksgiving,
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and I was preparing
for Thanksgiving dinner.
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[Children laughing]
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- Give that back to
your sister right now!
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- I was recently separated.
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At the time, my son was
8 and my daughter, 13.
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I was busy. I had
a very busy life.
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- Give it back to your sister!
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[Timer buzzing]
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[Groans]
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[Phone rings]
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[Dark musical flourish]
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[Phone ringing]
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- When the phone rang,
I had this sensation of...
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Almost like, you
know, when you...
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You feel the hair rise
on the back of your neck.
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[Phone ringing]
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I don't really know if
the term "psychic"...
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If it's an appropriate term.
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[Phone rings]
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Other people labeled
it in a variety of ways.
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My mother called me a witch.
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[Phone ringing,
children laughing]
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The best way I can sum it up...
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It is very much like
my regular senses
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turned up high.
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I thought of it as intuition.
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And sometimes...
Such powerful intuition...
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I cannot stop anything.
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I'm not in control of it at all.
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[Discordant musical flourish]
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Back in the corner of my mind,
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I had a vague impression
that I didn't want to look at.
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[Phone ringing]
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- Hello?
- Hi.
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I'm so sorry to bother you.
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My daughter's best
friend, amie Hoffman...
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She's missing.
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- She said, "can you find amie?"
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- I've heard about
your abilities,
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and we're just going crazy here.
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Please, can you at least try?
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- She was so
desperate to be told
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everything would be okay.
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- It would just make
us feel so much better
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if you could just tell
us she was okay...
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[Dissonant music]
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[Unsettling music]
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- Look, i'm...
i'm... I'm so sorry.
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- I said, "why don't you
please just either call the family
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or the police involved"...
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- And give them my name.
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- She said, "yes, okay, I will."
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I believed amie was dead,
and I prayed that I was wrong.
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- Amie Hoffman's body was found
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in the neighboring
town of Randolph.
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It was a brutal, brutal murder.
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I felt so, so sorry
for this young girl.
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Amie was a high school senior.
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She was a cheerleader.
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Very popular girl.
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Doesn't matter whether
you're a police officer
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or just an average Joe citizen;
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you take it to heart.
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I wanted to get this
killer right from the get-go.
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- Guys, come on. Hurry up.
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Bus is gonna be here any minute,
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and I don't want
you to be late again.
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[Disturbed music]
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♪ ♪
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- [Sighs]
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My heart sunk.
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I had so wished I was wrong.
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In the article, it was
very clearly stated
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that she wasn't raped.
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[Dissonant music]
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♪ ♪
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The vision I had
was the word "raped."
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My vision didn't
match the article,
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not at all.
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[Engine idling]
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- I was a young
detective at the time.
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I'd probably been in
the detective bureau
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for about a year.
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I had met Nancy in
mount olive township,
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and she'd worked with
us in the past as a psychic.
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But this was
purely a social call.
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- "Do you know what's in
this newspaper is a lie?"
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- I'm like, "what are
you talking about?"
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Both: Why are they lying?
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- "Do you want some coffee?"
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[Laughs]
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You know?
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- I don't understand it,
bill. They got it all wrong.
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- What do you mean?
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- Nancy says, "the
newspaper article says
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"that there's no sexual
assault indicated here.
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She was definitely raped, bill."
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- Bill, I can see it like it's
right in front of my face.
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- I said, "bill, he's
gonna do it again."
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- The murder investigation of
amie Hoffman really took off.
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They decided to
form a task force.
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- Amie Hoffman's abandoned
car was found in the parking lot
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of the Morris county mall.
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- And there was a palpable buzz.
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You could feel the
sense of urgency
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and tension in the room.
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- A witness saw a green,
maybe a blue sedan,
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possibly a Chevy.
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The suspect is thought
to be male, Caucasian...
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- There was very, very little...
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A very vague
descriptor of the car,
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very vague descriptor
of the attacker.
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- There are multiple
stab wounds.
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The autopsy indicates
she was raped.
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- The lightbulb goes off
in the back of my head.
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I'm saying to myself,
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"well, gee, that's
what Nancy told me.
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Maybe she can help us."
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- Okay, that's it.
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- The lead investigator
told us all to partner up.
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I got to find somebody
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that's willing to sit
down with Nancy.
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So I'm looking across the
room, and I see Jimmy Moore.
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Been a cop for 25
years. He's a captain.
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I know he's seen it all.
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- Captain Moore.
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Detective bill
Hughes, mount olive.
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- And I looked at him,
and he was young.
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He was in his mid 20s, I guess.
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- I really want to make
a difference in this case,
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and I think I can
learn a lot from you.
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- You... you know I'm a captain.
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- He's thinking, "we got the
biggest murder investigation
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"in the county in years,
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and he wants to
partner with me?"
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- Just give me a chance.
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- So I said, "yeah."
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I said, "that's fine, if you
want to work with me."
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- I'll work with you.
- You won't regret it, sir.
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[Siren blips]
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- We go out to the car,
out to my car specifically.
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Jim figures he has a driver now.
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He doesn't have to
do his own driving.
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Jim's telling me what he
knows, which isn't much.
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- Not much is an understatement.
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- We didn't know where to look,
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what to look at, who to look at.
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- And I'm thinking to
myself, "how in the hell
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am I gonna approach
Jim with using a psychic?"
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- Hey, cap...
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- And I figured he was
gonna bite my head off.
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- What do you think of psychics?
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- Not much.
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- I thought, basically,
it's a lot of mumbo jumbo.
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- Why?
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[Knock on door]
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- Nancy, this is captain Moore.
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- Hi, Nancy.
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- She just seemed like
a normal person to me.
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She didn't have a crystal ball,
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or she wasn't carrying on
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or gazing up into
the sky or anything.
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- I want you to tell Jim
exactly what you told me
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about amie Hoffman's murder.
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- [Clears throat]
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She was...
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She was knifed all over.
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She was raped.
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- Nobody... no one other than
the lead detectives in this case
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knew that amie was
sexually assaulted.
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We kept... purposefully
kept that out of the media.
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I wasn't sure...
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Was it a guess on her part,
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or did she really see this?
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- I couldn't tell what
he was thinking,
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and I thought, "I
can't read him."
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- I would hate to play
poker with that guy.
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There was a little
bit of a silence there
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for a couple seconds.
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I said, "Nancy."
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I says, "how do you feel
about taking a ride with us?"
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- I said, "listen, you need
to understand something.
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You cannot tell me
anything about the case."
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- I need to work
completely cold.
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I can't make any assumptions,
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and I don't want to
try and get answers
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to fit what you say.
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I'll give you what I
see, nothing more.
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- All right.
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- I thought that
was a good sign,
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and I hadn't
planned on telling her
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anything about the case anyway.
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[Dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- Call it psychic
abilities. It's just a word.
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Gifts... absolutely.
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I have a lot of different
gifts that we call paranormal.
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[Tires squeal]
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I've learned how to
honor and respect them,
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and I've learned
that they're only gifts
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when you serve
with a good purpose.
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- The first place we took
Nancy was to the Hanover mall,
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where amie Hoffman
had been abducted from,
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and we didn't tell Nancy
why we were going there.
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- It's a huge mall.
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So Jim, being cagey as he is,
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he doesn't want to take
Nancy right to the spot.
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- Yeah, just... just keep
going straight through here.
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- And Nancy's saying,
"no, no, no, no."
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- Go that way. Go that way.
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- Sure enough
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we're going in
the right direction.
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- "Go that way."
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- It's here. Stop the car.
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- There was one area
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that felt like it was
alive with energy,
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like a magnetic pull,
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the energy of trauma.
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- She'll hold her hands out
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and just kind of feel around.
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- Bill and I just stood there.
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We didn't say anything to her.
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We didn't offer her anything.
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[Dark music]
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♪ ♪
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- And I pointed and
said, "here's the area."
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- This is where she
was abducted from.
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- And I heard Jim
mumble under his breath,
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"that's amazing."
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This is a huge mall,
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close to 1,000
parking spaces in it.
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There is absolutely no way
Nancy could have known
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where to go.
259
00:12:49,869 --> 00:12:51,439
- I was quite impressed,
260
00:12:51,504 --> 00:12:53,874
but I didn't let her know that.
261
00:12:56,076 --> 00:12:59,136
- All traumatic events
262
00:12:59,212 --> 00:13:01,752
contain a different
kind of energy,
263
00:13:01,814 --> 00:13:05,154
and within that are details.
264
00:13:07,954 --> 00:13:09,794
I see a green car.
265
00:13:09,856 --> 00:13:12,686
- The witnesses had
told us they saw a man
266
00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:16,559
sitting in a green
Chevrolet near amie's car
267
00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,099
before the abduction.
268
00:13:18,164 --> 00:13:21,474
None of this information had
been released to the public
269
00:13:21,534 --> 00:13:23,074
at this point.
270
00:13:26,573 --> 00:13:29,013
- And here. Here's another car.
271
00:13:31,711 --> 00:13:33,011
[Woman screaming disjointedly]
272
00:13:33,079 --> 00:13:35,879
- I got this flashing vision,
273
00:13:35,948 --> 00:13:38,618
and it happened so fast,
274
00:13:38,684 --> 00:13:40,954
so I stood there and
went into that vision.
275
00:13:44,457 --> 00:13:46,617
There's a car.
276
00:13:46,692 --> 00:13:48,362
There's a woman opening it up.
277
00:13:48,427 --> 00:13:51,257
- A man gets get
out of the green car.
278
00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:53,090
- I can't really make
out a face or anything.
279
00:13:58,138 --> 00:13:59,368
- I see this knife.
280
00:14:05,044 --> 00:14:06,044
[Man growls]
281
00:14:06,046 --> 00:14:07,946
[Woman screams]
282
00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:09,648
- And I see him grab her...
283
00:14:09,715 --> 00:14:11,445
[Muffled yelping]
284
00:14:11,517 --> 00:14:14,387
[Dramatic music]
285
00:14:14,453 --> 00:14:15,523
♪ ♪
286
00:14:15,522 --> 00:14:19,222
- He's dragging
her back to his car.
287
00:14:19,292 --> 00:14:21,262
- And throw her in the
seat and close the door.
288
00:14:23,296 --> 00:14:25,696
- He's driving.
289
00:14:25,765 --> 00:14:28,425
[Tires squealing]
290
00:14:32,238 --> 00:14:36,708
- These visions occurred
as if I had a camera
291
00:14:36,776 --> 00:14:39,276
and I could replay that video.
292
00:14:41,981 --> 00:14:44,581
And the movie starts again,
293
00:14:44,651 --> 00:14:46,321
and she's opening the door,
294
00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:47,665
and he's coming, running around.
295
00:14:49,388 --> 00:14:50,588
- She goes into great detail.
296
00:14:50,657 --> 00:14:55,887
♪ ♪
297
00:14:55,962 --> 00:14:58,502
- She had a purse. She
leaves it on the front seat.
298
00:14:58,564 --> 00:15:00,334
[Woman screams]
299
00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:01,903
- Her door's open... of her car.
300
00:15:01,968 --> 00:15:04,098
- That's exactly how
the car was found.
301
00:15:04,170 --> 00:15:06,270
The car was found
with the door left open.
302
00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:09,709
The car was found with
the purse on the front seat.
303
00:15:09,775 --> 00:15:12,705
- He drags her back.
304
00:15:12,778 --> 00:15:15,348
I can't make out his face.
305
00:15:15,414 --> 00:15:18,954
- And I see, after
he pulls away...
306
00:15:25,791 --> 00:15:27,831
- There were three
taillights at the rear.
307
00:15:27,827 --> 00:15:31,657
- And I thought, "very
important to remember."
308
00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:33,255
- Specifically what
the witness saw
309
00:15:33,332 --> 00:15:37,542
was a green Chevy sedan
noted for those three taillights
310
00:15:37,603 --> 00:15:38,603
across the back.
311
00:15:38,671 --> 00:15:40,271
- [Groans]
312
00:15:40,339 --> 00:15:41,809
- That vehicle description
313
00:15:41,874 --> 00:15:44,244
had not been released
to the public at that point.
314
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:46,340
To me, it was just
totally amazing.
315
00:15:46,412 --> 00:15:47,882
It was just... it blew me away.
316
00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,150
- My heart was racing.
317
00:15:52,218 --> 00:15:54,148
I could imagine what
she was going through.
318
00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:55,650
I mean, she was
a child, actually,
319
00:15:55,721 --> 00:15:58,261
17, I think, so...
320
00:16:09,936 --> 00:16:11,396
- The next place
that we take Nancy
321
00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:13,640
is gonna be the murder scene.
322
00:16:15,942 --> 00:16:18,042
[Unsettling music]
323
00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:21,710
She knows we're taking her
someplace of significance,
324
00:16:21,781 --> 00:16:24,851
and she doesn't know
what happened there.
325
00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:26,281
So I'm looking in the mirror,
326
00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:29,246
and she's becoming
more and more distressed.
327
00:16:31,624 --> 00:16:33,694
- I felt overwhelmed,
328
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,490
and I knew that we were heading
329
00:16:35,561 --> 00:16:37,831
to a site of murder.
330
00:16:50,976 --> 00:16:53,906
[Dark music]
331
00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:59,383
♪ ♪
332
00:16:59,452 --> 00:17:02,522
It was like I was listening
to commands inside.
333
00:17:02,522 --> 00:17:04,222
"Walk here.
334
00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:05,290
"Slow down.
335
00:17:05,324 --> 00:17:06,324
Walk this way."
336
00:17:06,392 --> 00:17:11,432
♪ ♪
337
00:17:11,497 --> 00:17:14,297
- And then all of a
sudden, she stopped.
338
00:17:20,206 --> 00:17:21,306
[Woman screams]
339
00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:30,751
- She knew exactly
where to take us.
340
00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:31,850
There were no footprints.
341
00:17:31,917 --> 00:17:34,117
There was no
police tape, no signs,
342
00:17:34,186 --> 00:17:36,716
no paint on the
ground... Nothing.
343
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:40,159
- This particular area
was so congealed...
344
00:17:40,226 --> 00:17:42,956
Heavy, heavy...
345
00:17:43,028 --> 00:17:45,898
[Metal tinkling]
346
00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:49,773
Soaked with metallic, spiky,
347
00:17:49,835 --> 00:17:53,295
needle, knife energy.
348
00:17:53,372 --> 00:17:56,612
Thick as water,
hard to move through.
349
00:18:00,713 --> 00:18:04,723
Land soaks up
trauma and holds it.
350
00:18:04,783 --> 00:18:06,883
The air around holds it.
351
00:18:06,886 --> 00:18:08,316
It was so congealed;
352
00:18:08,387 --> 00:18:12,587
it was as if it spelled
out bloody murder.
353
00:18:16,128 --> 00:18:17,328
- No!
354
00:18:18,865 --> 00:18:20,565
- This is where it happened.
355
00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:27,908
- I just stayed very quiet
356
00:18:27,973 --> 00:18:31,283
until I felt I could hear her...
357
00:18:33,312 --> 00:18:36,312
- [Indistinct sobbing]
358
00:18:36,382 --> 00:18:38,322
- Cries for help.
359
00:18:38,384 --> 00:18:39,784
- [Crying]
360
00:18:39,852 --> 00:18:41,322
Please let me go.
361
00:18:41,321 --> 00:18:43,391
[Cries]
362
00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:45,815
- I can hear her...
363
00:18:47,593 --> 00:18:48,893
- [Indistinct sobbing]
364
00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:50,331
- Pleading with him.
365
00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:52,326
- Please let me go.
- "Please."
366
00:18:56,436 --> 00:18:59,266
- [Screaming]
367
00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:02,542
- She was absolutely distraught
368
00:19:02,608 --> 00:19:04,578
and appeared to
be in a lot of pain.
369
00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:06,313
- He's showing her a knife.
370
00:19:06,378 --> 00:19:07,808
- And suddenly,
371
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,120
I could feel his
absolute delight
372
00:19:11,183 --> 00:19:13,053
at doing what he did.
373
00:19:13,118 --> 00:19:14,588
- He's enjoying it.
374
00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:15,993
- [Growls]
375
00:19:16,055 --> 00:19:17,055
[Yells]
376
00:19:17,089 --> 00:19:18,689
- Oh, this poor girl.
377
00:19:22,895 --> 00:19:24,255
- [Shrieks]
378
00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:27,204
[Screaming]
379
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,600
- I suddenly get a sharp pain
380
00:19:29,668 --> 00:19:33,668
and know he cut her body.
381
00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:36,443
- It was... It was
somewhat emotional.
382
00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:38,808
It's just like
watching the crime
383
00:19:38,877 --> 00:19:40,037
be committed in front of you,
384
00:19:40,113 --> 00:19:42,153
and there's nothing
you can do about it.
385
00:19:42,214 --> 00:19:45,084
- And the brutality
was enormous.
386
00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:46,080
- [Quivers]
387
00:19:46,152 --> 00:19:47,822
- [Cries]
388
00:19:47,886 --> 00:19:49,316
[Screams]
389
00:19:49,388 --> 00:19:52,318
[Solemn music]
390
00:19:52,391 --> 00:19:57,331
♪ ♪
391
00:19:57,330 --> 00:20:00,430
- He's stabbing
her after she's dead!
392
00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:03,300
- Forensic evidence showed
393
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:06,843
that there were postmortem
wounds to her body.
394
00:20:06,905 --> 00:20:11,375
How did Nancy know that
amie was cut after death?
395
00:20:11,443 --> 00:20:12,943
No one knew that.
396
00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:30,833
[Haunting music]
397
00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:38,896
♪ ♪
398
00:20:39,438 --> 00:20:41,338
- I needed to find
concrete facts.
399
00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:43,137
I needed to find something
400
00:20:43,208 --> 00:20:45,938
that the police could
do something with.
401
00:20:46,011 --> 00:20:47,811
- [Panting]
402
00:20:52,584 --> 00:20:53,584
I see him.
403
00:20:57,189 --> 00:20:59,719
Around 6 feet tall.
404
00:20:59,792 --> 00:21:00,832
Dark hair.
405
00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:03,787
- Slim face, slim body.
406
00:21:05,864 --> 00:21:08,534
- "About 6 feet. Skinny guy."
407
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,540
[Thrilling music swelling]
408
00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:13,803
♪ ♪
409
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:16,741
I was awestruck.
410
00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:19,479
- [Crying]
411
00:21:19,545 --> 00:21:21,475
- Going back to the car...
412
00:21:22,915 --> 00:21:26,775
- I wasn't sure whether
this was real or an act
413
00:21:26,852 --> 00:21:28,922
because I had never
experienced anything like this.
414
00:21:33,659 --> 00:21:35,759
- She was giving us
tons of information,
415
00:21:35,828 --> 00:21:38,928
but it was nothing
we could act on.
416
00:21:38,997 --> 00:21:40,727
There was a huge
sense of urgency here
417
00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,729
because we knew
beyond a shadow of a doubt
418
00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:46,535
that this guy was
gonna strike again.
419
00:21:46,605 --> 00:21:47,735
The clock was ticking.
420
00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:55,277
- It becomes such an
all-pervasive sensation
421
00:21:55,347 --> 00:21:58,847
inside me,
422
00:21:58,917 --> 00:22:01,717
the knowledge that
there was this beast
423
00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:02,921
on this earth.
424
00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,856
This is a man who's hunting.
425
00:22:06,859 --> 00:22:09,389
[Woman screaming]
426
00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:11,595
Oh, my god. He's hunting.
427
00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:12,963
[Beastly snarl]
428
00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:20,941
It was one of the more
helpless moments of my life,
429
00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:22,376
where I knew what
was going to happen...
430
00:22:22,408 --> 00:22:23,808
Couldn't do a
single thing about it.
431
00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:27,411
[Thrilling musical flourish]
432
00:22:31,116 --> 00:22:32,876
- The body of a second
girl has been found
433
00:22:32,951 --> 00:22:35,351
in allamuchy township,
Warren county.
434
00:22:35,421 --> 00:22:37,551
Police sources refuse
to confirm or deny
435
00:22:37,623 --> 00:22:39,593
any connection with
the brutal slaying...
436
00:22:39,658 --> 00:22:42,488
- The girl was found
437
00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:45,461
in a rest area on route 80.
438
00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:47,631
Her name was Deirdre o'brien.
439
00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:50,738
There was a witness,
440
00:22:50,803 --> 00:22:53,773
a truck driver who
had stopped to rest.
441
00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:57,609
He saw this green sedan
go through the rest area,
442
00:22:57,676 --> 00:22:59,606
back onto the highway.
443
00:22:59,612 --> 00:23:02,412
I was really overwhelmed.
444
00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:04,545
I then knew that
we had a serial killer,
445
00:23:04,616 --> 00:23:07,916
and this individual probably
would not stop killing
446
00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:09,816
until we found him.
447
00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:12,618
- Ms. O'brien, 25, was
driving to her parents' home...
448
00:23:12,691 --> 00:23:16,231
- Total helplessness
and frustration.
449
00:23:16,295 --> 00:23:18,065
- Forced off the road,
and she was abducted...
450
00:23:18,096 --> 00:23:20,856
- And the panic level of
everyone was skyrocketing.
451
00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:23,273
- All the police departments
in the area, the state police,
452
00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:24,535
were on a high alert.
453
00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:27,973
- At any moment, he
could leap out on anybody.
454
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,670
- Asked about any
possible connections...
455
00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:30,791
- I wouldn't drive at night.
456
00:23:30,809 --> 00:23:32,409
I wouldn't go in
the car at night.
457
00:23:32,478 --> 00:23:35,578
I didn't want my
children out of my sight.
458
00:23:35,647 --> 00:23:38,717
- But detectives have
very few leads to go on.
459
00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:40,354
- I was eager to get on with it.
460
00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,149
Now all I wanted
is... "let's go."
461
00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:46,422
[Resolute music]
462
00:23:46,492 --> 00:23:48,162
- We thought that
we would continue
463
00:23:48,161 --> 00:23:49,861
and hope that
Nancy would come up
464
00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:51,798
with more information
for us to work on.
465
00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:54,734
♪ ♪
466
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,930
- I asked Jim, "where to now?"
467
00:23:55,935 --> 00:23:57,365
And he says, "all
right, take us up
468
00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,136
to the rest area in allamuchy."
469
00:24:09,315 --> 00:24:11,345
Interstate 80 and the
allamuchy rest area
470
00:24:11,416 --> 00:24:14,986
is desolate and kind of strange.
471
00:24:15,054 --> 00:24:17,764
It's not a place where
you want to hang out.
472
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:29,525
- And I walked a little bit...
473
00:24:36,808 --> 00:24:40,208
And I turn around, and
I look at the highway.
474
00:24:40,213 --> 00:24:43,483
- And then she looked
behind us, and she says...
475
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:45,249
- I see that same green car,
476
00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:46,547
that filthy car
477
00:24:46,552 --> 00:24:48,922
with the three
taillights on each side.
478
00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:50,347
- "I see that same green car."
479
00:25:05,971 --> 00:25:08,671
- It was here.
480
00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:11,040
- And that was exactly where
481
00:25:11,109 --> 00:25:13,179
the truck driver
had seen the car.
482
00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:23,849
[Discordant musical flourish]
483
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:25,416
- He's getting out of the car.
484
00:25:27,793 --> 00:25:31,533
- He takes her out of his trunk.
485
00:25:33,232 --> 00:25:34,232
- [Screams]
486
00:25:37,769 --> 00:25:38,799
Please.
487
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:40,170
I have to go home.
488
00:25:40,238 --> 00:25:43,638
[Screaming]
489
00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:48,009
[Melancholy piano music]
490
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,520
- He knifed her
in the abdomen...
491
00:25:51,583 --> 00:25:54,023
Throwing her out
like a piece of trash.
492
00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:55,816
- He's getting back in the car.
493
00:26:01,661 --> 00:26:03,691
He's driving away.
494
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:08,599
- You could see...
495
00:26:08,667 --> 00:26:11,397
You can see the
torture on Nancy's face
496
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:13,900
and the pain in her eyes.
497
00:26:13,972 --> 00:26:15,212
- [Coughs]
498
00:26:15,273 --> 00:26:16,443
- Oh, my god!
499
00:26:16,508 --> 00:26:19,078
Oh, my god! She's still alive.
500
00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:21,414
- And I realized
she wasn't dead.
501
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,180
- Oh, my god.
502
00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:32,119
♪ ♪
503
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:39,160
- I didn't... I felt
a truck nearby.
504
00:26:40,666 --> 00:26:48,336
♪ ♪
505
00:26:48,407 --> 00:26:50,767
- Help me!
506
00:26:50,842 --> 00:26:53,242
- This is the truck.
507
00:26:53,311 --> 00:26:54,611
- There's nothing parked there.
508
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,110
There's nothing
there, but she says,
509
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:57,145
"this is the truck."
510
00:26:57,215 --> 00:27:01,685
- She stood up
by the truck and...
511
00:27:01,753 --> 00:27:03,293
Banging on that door.
512
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:05,720
- Help me!
513
00:27:05,725 --> 00:27:07,985
[Banging]
514
00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:10,230
- And... and you
can actually see her
515
00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,355
start to bang on the
door of the truck...
516
00:27:12,431 --> 00:27:13,431
- Help me!
517
00:27:14,866 --> 00:27:16,866
- But she's just
beating dead air.
518
00:27:16,935 --> 00:27:18,195
- [Weeping] Please...
519
00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:20,700
[Groans]
520
00:27:20,772 --> 00:27:21,972
- God...
521
00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:25,339
- The truck driver...
522
00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:26,740
He wraps her in a blanket.
523
00:27:29,247 --> 00:27:31,277
She's losing the fight.
524
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:35,552
- She looked in the
truck driver's eyes
525
00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:37,354
and thanked him.
526
00:27:37,423 --> 00:27:39,393
Her dying breath, "thank you."
527
00:27:39,458 --> 00:27:42,258
Both: "I know I'm dying."
528
00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:45,927
- Thank you.
529
00:27:45,997 --> 00:27:47,297
I know I'm dying.
530
00:27:47,365 --> 00:27:49,225
- No, no, you're not.
531
00:27:51,737 --> 00:27:52,967
- [Groaning]
532
00:27:53,038 --> 00:27:54,838
- It's gonna be okay.
It's gonna be okay.
533
00:27:54,906 --> 00:27:56,206
- She died in his arms.
534
00:28:02,147 --> 00:28:05,217
- Somebody help!
535
00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:06,647
Somebody help!
536
00:28:06,718 --> 00:28:09,048
- I still... i can't...
537
00:28:09,121 --> 00:28:11,191
That was so...
538
00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:12,616
[sighs]
539
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:15,461
- Somebody help!
540
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,287
Somebody help!
541
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,197
Somebody help!
542
00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:22,867
- [Inhales sharply]
543
00:28:22,934 --> 00:28:25,804
[Breathing heavily]
544
00:28:29,674 --> 00:28:31,614
- That is exactly what
Deirdre said to him,
545
00:28:31,676 --> 00:28:35,006
that she knew she was
dying, and she thanked him,
546
00:28:35,014 --> 00:28:37,284
and I can confirm it.
547
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:02,176
- There was nothing
in the papers,
548
00:29:02,207 --> 00:29:03,337
nothing on the television
549
00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:04,838
about what the truck driver said
550
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:08,350
or what transpired
between him and Deirdre,
551
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:09,953
so how did Nancy know that?
552
00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:18,415
- The next moment,
I'm feeling just cold rage.
553
00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:27,559
I kept looking as if I
could reverse the film
554
00:29:27,632 --> 00:29:29,032
again and again,
555
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,570
and every time I did...
556
00:29:30,635 --> 00:29:34,635
[Resolute music]
557
00:29:34,706 --> 00:29:37,866
Something else
would get sharper.
558
00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:40,013
♪ ♪
559
00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:44,582
But I couldn't stop it
long enough to see him.
560
00:29:46,151 --> 00:29:50,721
♪ ♪
561
00:29:50,723 --> 00:29:53,263
As I kept watching this video...
562
00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:56,225
[Music intensifies]
563
00:29:56,295 --> 00:30:04,195
♪ ♪
564
00:30:09,007 --> 00:30:11,607
There was a moment
where his eyes and mine
565
00:30:11,676 --> 00:30:13,906
connected totally.
566
00:30:13,913 --> 00:30:15,483
I could see his face.
567
00:30:15,547 --> 00:30:18,917
I could see the very
angular plane of his face.
568
00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:20,524
I could see his
paper-white skin,
569
00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:22,486
almost pasty skin.
570
00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:25,064
- She told us that
she had a clear view
571
00:30:25,123 --> 00:30:26,223
of what this guy looked like.
572
00:30:26,225 --> 00:30:27,885
She could actually see him.
573
00:30:27,959 --> 00:30:31,829
- The intense response
I had inside was...
574
00:30:33,098 --> 00:30:34,358
- Got you.
575
00:30:34,432 --> 00:30:35,932
- "Got you."
576
00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:41,141
The next thing I knew,
577
00:30:41,140 --> 00:30:44,310
I felt like I'm in
that green car.
578
00:30:44,376 --> 00:30:47,536
I looked down; It
was a man's hands.
579
00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:50,153
And they were
long fingers, slim.
580
00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:55,623
I felt that I was looking
through the eyes of a killer.
581
00:31:03,595 --> 00:31:06,155
- By this time, we'd been
by all the murder scenes,
582
00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:09,401
and Nancy had come up
with a lot of good information,
583
00:31:09,467 --> 00:31:12,097
but it was nothing
we could act on.
584
00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:14,044
What we needed
from her was relatives,
585
00:31:14,105 --> 00:31:16,935
a place of business, a name.
586
00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:20,778
- I felt that it was
beyond urgent.
587
00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:27,305
- All of a sudden,
Nancy perks up,
588
00:31:27,352 --> 00:31:28,352
and she says, "bill"...
589
00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:29,746
- What town are we in?
590
00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:31,771
- I says, "well, we're in
mendham township right now."
591
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:34,690
- He's got a real deep
hatred for the cops here.
592
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,599
- There's only one reason
a guy doesn't like the cops...
593
00:31:36,628 --> 00:31:38,298
They've either gotten a ticket,
594
00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:40,527
or they've gotten locked
up by the police department.
595
00:31:40,598 --> 00:31:42,928
So I said, "well,
let's take a ride
596
00:31:43,001 --> 00:31:44,601
"by mendham township
police department,
597
00:31:44,603 --> 00:31:49,113
see if they can help
us out here a little bit."
598
00:31:49,174 --> 00:31:51,444
We told the captain
we had a person with us
599
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:54,009
that might have
some information.
600
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:56,409
- I had no idea
what I would say.
601
00:31:56,481 --> 00:31:58,421
Jimmy and bill had no
idea what I would say.
602
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,720
- [Clears throat]
603
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:07,320
- And suddenly...
604
00:32:07,392 --> 00:32:09,192
[Siren blips]
605
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:11,830
I blurted out everything,
606
00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:14,156
wondering where those
words were coming from.
607
00:32:14,232 --> 00:32:15,802
- You have a police officer...
608
00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:18,437
- Who, in the summer,
gave at least...
609
00:32:18,503 --> 00:32:19,943
- One ticket to a man.
610
00:32:23,175 --> 00:32:25,105
And that police
officer's last name...
611
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:30,710
Begins with a "c."
612
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:33,922
- Uh, well, you... that's...
You're thinking of Costanza.
613
00:32:33,985 --> 00:32:35,185
[Echoing] Costanza, Costanza...
614
00:32:35,253 --> 00:32:36,753
- Costanza. Yeah.
615
00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,394
And the ticket...
616
00:32:44,295 --> 00:32:46,925
Costanza issued him the
ticket. I can see it happening.
617
00:32:46,998 --> 00:32:50,528
- I said, "I'm pretty sure
Costanza will know who this is."
618
00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,265
- [Sighs]
619
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:02,710
I may have a name.
620
00:33:02,781 --> 00:33:04,851
- I kept seeing
pieces of a name.
621
00:33:06,051 --> 00:33:07,681
- James.
622
00:33:07,753 --> 00:33:10,353
- She saw a name...
623
00:33:10,422 --> 00:33:11,592
- "K."
624
00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,356
- A partial name.
625
00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:15,825
- Something.
626
00:33:15,894 --> 00:33:19,664
- James "k" something. "Kuh."
627
00:33:19,731 --> 00:33:22,301
- "I."
628
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:24,797
"C."
629
00:33:24,869 --> 00:33:25,869
"H."
630
00:33:27,138 --> 00:33:28,138
- "Kuh"...
[Mutters]
631
00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:29,513
"Ich."
632
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:32,410
- [Groans]
633
00:33:32,411 --> 00:33:34,411
- And I could not make
out the middle of it.
634
00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:36,379
- But I can't see
the other letters.
635
00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:38,518
- Out of the clear blue
sky, she blurts this out.
636
00:33:38,583 --> 00:33:39,883
- I'm sorry. I can't.
637
00:33:39,951 --> 00:33:41,821
- That was a big moment for us.
638
00:33:41,886 --> 00:33:43,946
- Can we speak to Costanza?
- He's on vacation.
639
00:33:43,956 --> 00:33:46,416
He doesn't come
in again till Monday.
640
00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,915
- Back in the '80s,
641
00:33:47,992 --> 00:33:50,192
when officers were off
duty, they were off duty.
642
00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:51,475
- Where can we get ahold of him?
643
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:53,169
- You can't get ahold
of him until Monday.
644
00:33:53,231 --> 00:33:55,471
- And you got to
remember, this is 1982.
645
00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:57,003
There are no cell phones.
646
00:33:57,068 --> 00:33:58,638
- That's protocol. Sorry, guys.
647
00:33:58,637 --> 00:34:00,267
- We were powerless
at that point.
648
00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:01,738
- Thanks for your time.
649
00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:02,870
- You can only imagine
650
00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,611
the frustration that
we're going through.
651
00:34:04,676 --> 00:34:06,616
We knew we had something
that... It could break the case,
652
00:34:06,644 --> 00:34:10,054
and we can't get to it.
653
00:34:10,115 --> 00:34:11,745
All of a sudden,
an alert goes out
654
00:34:11,816 --> 00:34:13,416
over the radio system.
655
00:34:13,485 --> 00:34:15,245
- All task force members
are called to meet
656
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,920
at police headquarters.
657
00:34:17,923 --> 00:34:19,463
- So I drop Jim and Nancy off,
658
00:34:19,524 --> 00:34:21,294
and I'm gonna look
for a parking place.
659
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:22,959
- I was kind of excited about
660
00:34:23,028 --> 00:34:24,758
being able to
tell the prosecutor
661
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:28,099
what we had
discovered with Nancy.
662
00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:32,196
I thought, "maybe with
the prosecutor's influence,
663
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:33,270
"we might be able to go
664
00:34:33,338 --> 00:34:35,108
"to the mendham
township police department
665
00:34:35,107 --> 00:34:36,837
"and check the files
over the weekend
666
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:38,308
instead of waiting till Monday."
667
00:34:38,376 --> 00:34:41,306
[Dramatic music]
668
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:44,449
- We walked in, and I
heard somebody shout...
669
00:34:44,516 --> 00:34:45,846
- Get her out of here!
670
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,187
- "Get her out of here."
671
00:34:58,062 --> 00:35:01,262
[Dramatic music]
672
00:35:01,332 --> 00:35:08,972
♪ ♪
673
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,370
- Get her out of here!
674
00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:12,381
She is not coming in here.
675
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:13,743
- "What are you talking about?"
676
00:35:13,811 --> 00:35:15,261
I says, "you haven't even
heard what we have to say."
677
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,550
- I don't want to hear it.
678
00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:18,224
I know that woman.
She's a psychic.
679
00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:20,123
- I was pissed
at the prosecutor.
680
00:35:20,185 --> 00:35:22,515
Why would you not want to listen
681
00:35:22,587 --> 00:35:26,057
to possible good information?
682
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,394
I said, "well, you know what?"
683
00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:29,488
- Well, you know what?
If you don't want her...
684
00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:31,161
- "Then you don't want me."
685
00:35:31,229 --> 00:35:32,559
I said, "we're out of here."
686
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:34,160
- Fine.
687
00:35:36,935 --> 00:35:39,095
- And I see 'em.
This ain't good.
688
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:40,240
- Cap, what happened?
689
00:35:43,007 --> 00:35:45,937
- Jim is livid. Jim is hot.
690
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:48,650
He had 20 years of experience.
691
00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:50,977
They had no right
to treat him like that.
692
00:35:56,354 --> 00:35:59,424
- I was now troubled
beyond, beyond, beyond.
693
00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:04,362
My temperature was 105.
694
00:36:04,429 --> 00:36:08,969
What's the point of being
that close to the horrors
695
00:36:09,033 --> 00:36:11,433
if I cannot stop him?
696
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,680
The vision I got
697
00:36:18,743 --> 00:36:21,313
was of one of
impending danger...
698
00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:24,479
This man who was
stalking a woman.
699
00:36:29,587 --> 00:36:33,317
I thought, "oh, we have
got to do something here."
700
00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:36,261
[Unsettling music]
701
00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:42,030
- Hi. I need your help.
702
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,430
- For years, I taught
an open group
703
00:36:44,502 --> 00:36:48,002
of meditation and
psychic development.
704
00:36:48,072 --> 00:36:49,972
I realized, with my students,
705
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:52,511
that if we gather
energy together,
706
00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:54,407
it becomes amplified.
707
00:36:54,479 --> 00:36:55,479
Here were four people
708
00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:59,316
who I knew to be
very psychically clear.
709
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,750
I said, "now, we need to
make a difference here."
710
00:37:06,257 --> 00:37:10,127
So we made a circuit, and
we were boosting the signal.
711
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:15,430
I said, "build the
power with me."
712
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:17,830
- Take that energy,
713
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,372
like taking a lightning bolt.
714
00:37:20,438 --> 00:37:25,168
- I kept him fully dead center
in the middle of the room.
715
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:30,249
And i... my heart
started going...
716
00:37:30,315 --> 00:37:31,805
[imitates rapid heartbeat]
717
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,849
I could feel him ready
to pounce on her.
718
00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,292
I was looking at him
719
00:37:39,357 --> 00:37:41,887
as if he was a bug
in a microscope.
720
00:37:43,328 --> 00:37:45,188
- You don't get
to play that way.
721
00:37:45,197 --> 00:37:47,027
- Got to nail him.
722
00:37:47,032 --> 00:37:49,802
- And I said, "bring
home to him..."
723
00:37:49,867 --> 00:37:51,967
Both: All the pain...
724
00:37:52,037 --> 00:37:53,567
- That he has given to women.
725
00:37:53,638 --> 00:37:55,668
[Dramatic music]
726
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:58,340
- "Let him feel it and
let him feel it in a way..."
727
00:37:58,409 --> 00:38:01,909
- That he could never
give it out to anybody else...
728
00:38:01,979 --> 00:38:03,479
- "In this world."
729
00:38:03,548 --> 00:38:10,718
♪ ♪
730
00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:13,188
- You need to be gone.
731
00:38:13,191 --> 00:38:21,131
♪ ♪
732
00:38:26,337 --> 00:38:27,997
- And when I was done,
733
00:38:28,006 --> 00:38:31,136
I felt that something
was finished for me.
734
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,419
- [Whispering] Oh,
no, please, no, god.
735
00:38:40,419 --> 00:38:41,819
Not another one.
736
00:38:43,788 --> 00:38:45,488
- What did you do, Nancy?
737
00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:47,990
- She says, "what do
you mean, what did I do?"
738
00:38:51,429 --> 00:38:54,999
I said, "they
caught the killer."
739
00:38:55,066 --> 00:38:59,466
- And the relief was monumental.
740
00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:03,067
- On the night of January
16th, early Sunday morning,
741
00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:05,881
a man called 911
742
00:39:05,943 --> 00:39:08,613
and stated that he had
been stabbed in the back.
743
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,609
- So when I got to the scene,
744
00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:13,251
they found a Chevy sedan
745
00:39:13,318 --> 00:39:15,588
with three lights
across the back,
746
00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:17,953
and a man was there,
747
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:20,822
bleeding from a minor wound.
748
00:39:20,892 --> 00:39:22,862
- One of the officers
on the scene recalled
749
00:39:22,927 --> 00:39:24,827
there was something
about a green Chevy
750
00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:27,356
with three taillights
involved in this case.
751
00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:29,572
- He remembered that
that was the kind of car
752
00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:31,674
that we were looking for.
753
00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:34,266
- And when they
questioned the owner...
754
00:39:34,338 --> 00:39:36,638
- They asked him who he was.
755
00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:39,237
- My name?
756
00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:42,810
- Jim says, "you'll never guess
what the name of the guy is."
757
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,720
[Suspenseful music]
758
00:39:45,783 --> 00:39:47,923
♪ ♪
759
00:39:47,985 --> 00:39:49,885
- My name is James koedatich.
760
00:39:51,956 --> 00:39:53,686
- That's the name!
761
00:39:53,758 --> 00:39:55,428
I said, "koedatich!"
762
00:39:55,493 --> 00:39:56,433
- [Gasps]
763
00:39:56,494 --> 00:39:58,694
- Oh, my god. It is him.
764
00:39:58,763 --> 00:40:00,563
- I just started laughing.
765
00:40:00,631 --> 00:40:02,271
How close was
Nancy on that name?
766
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:05,403
- That's the name.
- Nancy...
767
00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:07,240
- [Exhales deeply]
768
00:40:07,305 --> 00:40:08,335
- What did you do?
769
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,436
- He kept saying to
me, "what did you do?"
770
00:40:10,508 --> 00:40:12,278
- What do you
mean, what did I do?
771
00:40:12,343 --> 00:40:14,313
- He claims he was
stabbed in the back
772
00:40:14,378 --> 00:40:16,978
by a woman with
shoulder-length brown hair.
773
00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:19,818
- And then when I
described the alleged woman
774
00:40:19,884 --> 00:40:21,384
that stabbed koedatich,
775
00:40:21,452 --> 00:40:23,052
I said, "he was describing you,
776
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,490
because the general
description fits you perfectly."
777
00:40:29,527 --> 00:40:32,897
- Anyhow, the wound
was self-inflicted.
778
00:40:32,964 --> 00:40:36,134
- They found out that there
was no woman involved.
779
00:40:36,134 --> 00:40:40,204
He stabbed himself
and then called 911.
780
00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:43,171
Why he did that...
We'll never know.
781
00:40:45,142 --> 00:40:46,682
[Indistinct radio chatter]
782
00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:49,208
- When they did forensics
on the inside of the car,
783
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,110
I was amazed with
what they found.
784
00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:54,083
I mean, I was just...
I was blown away.
785
00:41:10,535 --> 00:41:11,795
- When they did forensics,
786
00:41:11,869 --> 00:41:14,239
they found some
blood in the car that...
787
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:17,735
It would turn out...
Belonged to amie Hoffman.
788
00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:19,812
- He's throwing
her in the back seat.
789
00:41:21,546 --> 00:41:23,246
- And they found a lot
of evidence in the car,
790
00:41:23,248 --> 00:41:24,648
especially in the
trunk of the car.
791
00:41:24,715 --> 00:41:26,915
They found hair,
which would later,
792
00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:28,384
through DNA testing,
793
00:41:28,452 --> 00:41:30,822
come back to be
Deirdre o'brien's hair.
794
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,420
Nancy knew that
Deirdre had been thrown
795
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:35,592
in the trunk of the car.
796
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,060
She described that.
Nobody saw that.
797
00:41:37,128 --> 00:41:39,098
No witnesses saw Deirdre
get thrown in the trunk.
798
00:41:39,163 --> 00:41:40,303
She saw it, though.
799
00:41:40,364 --> 00:41:43,234
- He's taking Deirdre
out of the trunk.
800
00:41:43,301 --> 00:41:45,501
- It was mind-boggling.
801
00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:49,270
I knew how good she
was, but this was huge.
802
00:41:55,813 --> 00:41:57,883
In my 33 years
as a police officer,
803
00:41:57,949 --> 00:41:59,919
I've seen it all and
just about done it all,
804
00:41:59,984 --> 00:42:03,424
but I was never so amazed
by anything in my entire career
805
00:42:03,487 --> 00:42:07,357
as I was working with
Nancy on this particular case.
806
00:42:07,425 --> 00:42:09,955
I'm 100% certain
that as a psychic,
807
00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:12,501
Nancy weber is the real deal.
808
00:42:12,563 --> 00:42:13,863
- I said, "Nancy,"
809
00:42:13,931 --> 00:42:16,571
I said, "everything that
you told us was true.
810
00:42:16,634 --> 00:42:18,644
Absolutely everything."
811
00:42:22,473 --> 00:42:25,343
She made a believer
out of me. I'll tell you that.
812
00:42:48,699 --> 00:42:51,969
- Was I the woman who
stabbed James koedatich?
813
00:42:52,036 --> 00:42:53,066
Of course not.
814
00:42:53,071 --> 00:42:57,141
And not physically present.
815
00:42:57,208 --> 00:43:00,478
Did I match the
description? Absolutely.
816
00:43:00,544 --> 00:43:02,854
I don't have the
absolute answers.
817
00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:04,653
I don't think I ever will.
818
00:43:04,715 --> 00:43:07,075
I know I'm very grateful
for what has happened,
819
00:43:07,151 --> 00:43:09,491
that he was absolutely stopped,
820
00:43:09,553 --> 00:43:11,253
never to do anything again.
821
00:43:11,303 --> 00:43:15,853
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