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speaking in French
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Paul Moreira The French
president has just been elected.
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He's hosting the Russian
president for the first time.
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And the event is tainted with suspicion.
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camera shutters snapping
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira It's a
world war of a new kind
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with no guns and no bombs.
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On one side, the West is seeing
Russia as a rising threat.
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crowd cheering
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On the other, Russia has
lost half of its territory
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since the collapse of the
Soviet Union and feels attacked.
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speaking in foreign language
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You are fighting for your country.
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You are responsible for your country.
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So from this point of view,
all the ideas or means
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or possibilities are welcome.
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Paul Moreira The Russians
are fighting with new weapons.
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Paul Moreira They
fuel influence peddlers
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in European political parties.
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Paul Moreira During the elections,
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trolls were very active online.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira And they
even hired Yosemite Sam.
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gunshots resounding
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You can't put together
rubles with a political ad
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and go like, hm, those two data points
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spell out something bad.
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Senator, it's a signal we
should have been alert to.
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Yeah. groans
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Paul Moreira It's
hard to bring out proofs
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as this army knows how
to cover up its tracks.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira Well,
it's not going to be easy.
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wings flapping
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In March, 2017 Russian
President Vladimir Putin
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hosts an official meeting
with Marine Le Pen,
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the National Front
candidate at the Kremlin.
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In six weeks, Marine Le Pen would come up
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against Emmanuel Macron.
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This handshake is historical.
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It confers on Le Pen
a presidential status.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira There
it is for the cameras.
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Vladimir Putin doesn't
meddle with French politics.
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The man who's worked the
most towards an alliance
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between the National Front and Russia
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is Aymeric Chauprade.
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He was the most
influential foreign advisor
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to Marine Le Pen.
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He was nicknamed the National
Front foreign minister.
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Then he left the National
Front, but he's still a member
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of the European Parliament.
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Paul Moreira The National
Front and the Kremlin
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have in common their hostility
towards the European Union.
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Paul Moreira And the
National Front voters
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are often avid admirers of Vladimir Putin.
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Paul Moreira Among
the National Front voters
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quite a few are under the
influence of the Russian Media,
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Russia Today and Sputnik.
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Paul Moreira RT and
Sputnik reach few viewers
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within the general public,
but the French president
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sees them as worrying nevertheless.
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paper folding
bells ringing
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zipper zipping
motor roaring
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Paul Moreira Who's behind
Russia Today and Sputnik?
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Their headquarters are in Moscow
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and they've agreed to let us in.
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Russia Today is a TV channel,
Sputnik is a website.
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They're both accessible on the internet.
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Their budget is comparable
to that of Western channels.
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More than 300 journalists
in every language.
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They opened a channel in
Paris in December, 2017.
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Their promise, to tell the
untold and to question more.
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TV news theme music
Today in their breaking news,
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a new development in the information war.
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It's unfolding in Washington during
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the Russian foreign affair
minister's visit to the USA.
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In your meeting with President Trump
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did he raise US concerns about
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Russian interference in the US elections?
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Journalist As you know,
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we've seen the US intelligence agencies
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accuse Russia of interfering
in the elections.
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Journalist Did Mr.
Trump raise the question
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of Russian interference
in the US elections?
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Translator I just
said that President Trump
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has stated publicly that
these are all false stories.
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Please do give us at least one
fact and then we can react.
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Paul Moreira The global
director of RT and Sputnik
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is Margarita Simonyan, a young,
very powerful journalist.
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In the network, her nickname is M.
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She was trained in the
US and is experienced
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in all styles of modern
media, including satire.
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Paul Moreira Vladimir
Putin created RT in 2005.
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audience applauding
10 years later he triumphs.
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audience applauding
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audience applauding
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Paul Moreira You
celebrate the critical spirit,
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the freedom of expression.
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Could you be as critical
against the Russian government
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or against the Russian president?
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Paul Moreira When the President Putin
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created this channel, what was the idea,
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the mission that was given to you?
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Paul Moreira We have
a hard time understanding
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each other because I thought
that Russia Today, RT,
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had an identity like telling the untold.
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That's what you sell, and
it's written everywhere
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so actually it's just marketing.
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It doesn't mean a thing, right?
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Paul Moreira Question
more is RT's motto,
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but it is dangerous to question too much
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for a journalist in Russia.
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Alexey Kungurov, for example,
an independent blogger
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was sentenced to two years in prison
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for having questioned the targets
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of the Russian bombings in Syria.
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Mr. Alexey Kungurov detained in Russia
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is something that you could
cover in RT and Sputnik?
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Paul Moreira This is what RT published
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on the imprisoned Russian blogger.
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A very short dispatch only in Russian.
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No international versions.
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Paul Moreira I don't
think there's any blogger
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in jail in the UK.
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Paul Moreira There are
bloggers in jail in the UK?
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speaking in foreign language
Like, you have one name?
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You have one name?
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Paul Moreira Of bloggers
who are actually detained
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in British jails?
Yeah, British jails.
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Paul Moreira After we left,
Margarita sent us an email
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with around 10 names of young Brits.
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Paul Moreira We've checked the list.
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They're not really bloggers.
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They're people punished
for having organized riots,
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incited racial hatred,
arrest, threatened with rape,
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celebrated murders on Facebook or Twitter.
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And no press coverage whatsoever, well,
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apart from the BBC, The
Guardian, The Mail on Sunday,
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The Telegraph, The Independent,
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basically the whole national press
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and most of the local newspapers, too.
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Welcome to the alternative truth.
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Alexey Kovalev formally worked
for Russian state media.
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He was fired by Margarita Simonyan.
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Ever since, he's been working
for an independent newspaper.
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Russia doesn't really
have an ideology to offer.
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It doesn't have a concise,
a cohering ideology
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like the Soviet Union did.
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So what is it offering is instead
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due to these marginalized group
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in the extreme left
and right is that guys,
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you are vilified by the establishment,
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by the mainstream media.
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It's a psychological effect.
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It's called the hostile media effect.
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Paul Moreira There's
an information war.
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Are you the main weapon
for Russia in this war?
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Paul Moreira In
France, Emmanuel Macron's
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campaign meetings sometimes
look like a mass karaoke.
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crowd singing
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But there's one man who isn't singing.
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In a few weeks he'll be minister.
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But for now, Mounir Mahjoubi's
job is to keep his head down
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and focus on his smartphone.
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Paul Moreira Mounir is
keeping a very close eye
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on the Russian media.
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During Macron's campaign
an outrageous article
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has been published on
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The future French president
could be an American agent.
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An agent for the banks.
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And the article hints with perfidy,
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Macron is supported by a
wealthy gay lobby group.
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That says it all.
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Paul Moreira We
wanted to trace the rumor
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back to its root.
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Macron an American agent, or
how a fake news is created.
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One of the reasons why
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we got this feeling about
you being more aggressive
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towards Mr. Macron than towards Ms. Le Pen
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is like articles like this one.
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A lot of controversy in France.
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They are perfectly
aware of the attention,
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all the attention they are getting
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so they just cannot afford
to do any fake news.
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If you look at the way they are operating,
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they will always use
domestic French sources.
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So they'll quote a French politician
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or a French journalist who is saying
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that Macron is a shill for
the Rothschilds, etc, etc.
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They'll never make a point of their own.
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Paul Moreira In this case the article
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was based exclusively on the accusation
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of a pro-Russian French
Right member of Parliament
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Nicolas Dhuicq.
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Paul Moreira We spotted
Benjamin on the internet.
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He's part of a community which
often shares Russian news
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on social media.
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Benjamin doesn't believe
what he sees on TV anymore.
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That added another problem that RT
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and its sister websites
like Sputnik are exploiting.
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The growing mistrust in
the media in general.
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So the left believed that Russia is
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fighting against the
global financial domination
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by banks and everything.
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Although this is something that they
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are probably blissfully unaware,
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but Russia, of all the developed countries
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Russia has the biggest
financial inequality.
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Like 10% of Russian citizens
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own 87% of all the national wealth.
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That is the deepest gap
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among all the industrialized
countries in the West.
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Paul Moreira To
French President Macron,
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the Russian media has
quickly become synonymous
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with fake news.
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Paul Moreira Actually,
the reality is more nuanced.
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There have been fewer actual
lies than first believed.
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If you take in all
logic what is published
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and what is broadcast,
you do have the feeling
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that there's a political choice.
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Paul Moreira On April the
28th full war is declared.
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Russia Today and Sputnik are denied access
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to Emmanuel Macron's meetings.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira RT and Sputnik fight back
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by showing their banned journalists
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on their worldwide
channels in all languages.
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And the U.K.
speaking in foreign language
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For RT International.
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speaking in foreign language
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So I'm sorry, but you
are not on our lists.
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speaking in foreign language
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Journalist You looked up
the channel on the internet
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didn't you and you denied
me based on that, why?
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No.
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Paul Moreira Macron's campaign
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has boosted Russian propaganda.
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RT and Sputnik are only the public faces
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of Russia's soft power machine.
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The 2016 and 2017 elections would reveal
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that there are new players in the game.
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They were active in the
US during Trump's campaign
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and also in France and Germany.
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They're taken very seriously.
speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira New
words for a new world.
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These new warriors
invade the virtual space
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where we now spend half of our time.
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Troll, an agent of influence
on social networks.
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Fake news, formally known as lies.
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Hacker, cyber pirate who hijacks data.
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Meme, slick slogan that
goes viral on social media.
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In 2016 a young Russian
half woman half troll
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flooded the internet with
a three picture meme.
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dramatic music
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As Putin's holding a press conference
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she appears in front of the
cameras with a triptych.
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Putin, Marine, Trump.
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This image will be
reproduced over and over.
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Maria became the face
of a political agenda.
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A very pretty face.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira In June
2017 Putin half admitted
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the existence of new
Russian agents of influence.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira According to Putin,
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Russian hackers are lone
wolves, they're mavericks.
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The Kremlin has nothing to do with them.
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In order to understand who was behind
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this new Russian propaganda
let's take a closer look
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at a man who keeps himself in the shadows
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and never gives interviews
to the foreign press.
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Konstantin Rykov.
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Don't be fooled by his teenage appearance.
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He's a key figure.
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Roman Dobrokhotov, a Russian
investigative journalist
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has dug about to try and expose him.
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dramatic music
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It's not like you know those who sit
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in a cabinet having some official duty,
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but of course he was the main sovereign,
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I don't know how to call this kind of job
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because he was not of
course officially in charge.
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Paul Moreira Investigating
Rykov is no easy matter.
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His friends keep quiet and
his enemies are scared.
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speaking in foreign language
Here is one of Rykov's
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rare public appearances on
a rather boozy talk show
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on the internet.
speaking in foreign language
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Facing him, an opposition blogger.
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speaking in foreign language
audience applauding
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dramatic music
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Paul Moreira We met a
Russian internet pioneer
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who lives in Belgium
and who knew Rykov well.
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He comes from the culture of children of
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a post-Soviet rich people.
OK.
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Golden youth.
Golden youth.
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And now it is he's totally pro-Putin
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from what we understand.
He was always pro-Putin.
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I mean, before Putin he
was essentially nobody.
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He was like a young guy
using prohibited words
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on the internet.
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Paul Moreira It was at
the end of the 1990s in front
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of the cameras that Rykov
offered his services to Putin.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira Regarding
morals and ethics,
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Rykov took a few liberties.
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He became an unruly MP of Putin's party
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as well as a millionaire.
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In June, 2016 the
American site dailydot.com
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looked into how he made this fortune
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and revealed it came from
a paid dating site, Dosug.
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With Dosug you can find partners
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for all sorts of sport
and cultural activities.
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easy listening music
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For as little as 150 euros you
can go swimming with Natasha.
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Go horse riding with Tatiana,
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or play doctors and nurses with Zasha.
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I think all this pornography story
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was a long time ago, so
all that he is doing lately
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is connected with politics mostly.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira Rykov proved
to be a master in the art
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of making memes to draw
the attention of the media.
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Maria, who became famous for her Trump,
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Putin, Le Pen triptych works with him.
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Maria specializes in propaganda.
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She once created an
amateur video for YouTube
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surrounded by bombings
on the Ukrainian front.
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speaking in foreign language
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explosions resound
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laughing
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Paul Moreira Maria is in
a studio, the video is fake.
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It ends up being leaked, but
has no impact on her career.
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Maria's job is to stay in the limelight
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while Rykov remains backstage.
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Man That's the guy.
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Paul Moreira In 2016
Rykov's work went international.
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He put together a team
to support Donald Trump
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on the internet.
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The night of the American elections
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Rykov and those who helped
him met up in a bar is Moscow.
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They were being filmed for social media.
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The tension is unbearable.
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Maria is also with them.
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Suddenly, the news breaks.
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Against all odds, Trump wins.
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Man It's fucking
Trump, it's fucking Trump!
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laughing
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shouting
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♪ We are the champions of the world ♪
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Paul Moreira
Overwhelmed, six days later
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Rykov would post a strange
confession on his Facebook page.
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He implies that he was part
of a spin operation for Trump.
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For four years and two
days we needed to get into
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everyone's brains and control
mass perception of reality.
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Is Rykov just boasting, or
is he telling the truth?
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Whether bluffing or not, he
gives a huge party in Moscow
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to celebrate Trump's victory.
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The theme of the evening,
Russian hackers made Trump win.
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upbeat music
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When Trump was elected,
there was like fireworks.
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And if Le Pen was
elected, there would like,
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all the Russian government would like
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die in convulsions of pleasure.
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Paul Moreira Maria is delighted.
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The new world order is underway.
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It looks like mere provocation,
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but a year later we would discover
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that the Russian trolls
had been truly active.
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upbeat music
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Saint Petersburg is the most
beautiful city in Russia.
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It's Vladimir Putin's hometown.
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It's also where a rather
peculiar industry operates.
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A secret troll factory.
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It's name, the Internet Research Agency.
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The employees have one single task.
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To manufacture propaganda and
fake news for social media.
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I am with a translator.
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Hello, hello, hello, excuse
me, can we speak with you
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a little bit?
speaking in foreign language
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Do you work at Internet Research Agency?
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speaking in foreign language
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laughing
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Paul Moreira We
eventually found a young man
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who worked in this troll
factory for four months in 2014
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at the start of the war in Ukraine.
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He worked in Russian for the Russians.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira To comply
with the official line,
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the trolls have to check
a site created by Rykov.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira Hello.
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speaking in foreign language
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train wheels clattering
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Paul Moreira In the
suburbs of Saint Petersburg
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we meet Ludmila Savchuk, a journalist
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who infiltrated the troll factory in 2015.
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She managed to film with a hidden camera.
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dramatic music
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira In 2016 the troll factory
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started focusing on the United States
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in the battle between Hillary
Clinton and Donald Trump
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they fought fiercely for Trump
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without ever revealing they were Russian.
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Andrey Zakharov is a journalist.
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With the help of a mole,
he succeeded in proving
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that there were more than
400 Facebook pages in English
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that were actually created
in Saint Petersburg.
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When we started our investigation
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we found one Facebook community
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which is called Secured Borders.
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Paul Moreira Secured
Borders, the Facebook page
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was followed by 144,000 American citizens.
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It replicated the xenophobic
themes of Trump's campaign.
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The racist memes followed soon after,
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shared far and wide
throughout scared America
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and based on fake news.
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For example, 30% of
undocumented immigrant children
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are part of a gang.
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The meme suggests to
share if you're shocked.
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Or, Muslims have invented
a new strategy of warfare.
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They're making children to
replace white Americans.
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They cover Trump's
immigration policy which
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is very popular and was one
of the reasons why Trump won.
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Paul Moreira Andrey's revelations
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stir up a storm in Washington.
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The directors of Facebook,
Twitter, and Google
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are summoned to the Senate.
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They've earned money from
the Russian propaganda ads.
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The investigation showed
that the troll factory
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in Saint Petersburg paid
the social media sites
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to publicize their
messages as political ads.
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People are buying ads on
your platform with rubles.
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They're political ads.
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You put billions of data
points together all the time.
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That's what I hear that
these platforms do.
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They're the most sophisticated
things invented by man ever.
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Google has all knowledge
that man has ever developed.
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You can't put together rubles
with a political ad and go
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like, hm, those two data
points spell out something bad?
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Senator, it's a signal we
should have been alert to
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and in hindsight it's one we missed.
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OK, OK, yeah, uh...
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Paul Moreira Facebook
shouldn't have trusted
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Yosemite Sam, yes, Sam, the
one who shoots Bugs Bunny.
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A meme went viral explaining that Sam
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would from then on be banned from TV
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because he carried a weapon.
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This lie was targeting firearm owners
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to encourage them to vote for Trump.
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The fake news was shared by 215,000 people
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and seen millions of times.
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It originated from Saint Petersburg.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira What was the real impact
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of the Russian trolls
on Trump being elected?
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It's hard to tell, but
they certainly fueled
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the far-right American
campaign in favor of Trump.
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singing in foreign language
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Like in Texas, where they
succeeded in organizing
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a racist protest and
counter-protest from Russia.
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Few people showed up, but it was enough
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to stun the American senators.
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00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:59,640
Russia trolls were
encouraging both sides
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to battle in the streets
and create division
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between real Americans.
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00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,650
This disruptive event in
Houston cost Russia about $200.
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Paul Moreira And
that's the beauty of it.
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$200, barely as much as a
Lada in a very bad condition.
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motor rumbling
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Who paged the wages in the troll factory?
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Yevgeny Prigozhin's instructions.
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Who?
Yevgeny Prigozhin.
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Paul Moreira Who is he?
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He's responsible for catering
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of official meetings in Kremlin.
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Paul Moreira So
basically he's like big cook
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for the Kremlin.
Yes, he's big cook
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00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:39,790
for the Kremlin, he started his business
520
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in Saint Petersburg and his restaurants
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were very popular in 90s.
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Paul Moreira
Officially the Kremlin chef
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00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:50,810
denies any involvement
in the troll factory
524
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:54,910
and refuses to respond to
any interview requests.
525
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:56,930
fanfare music
526
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:59,440
Between Putin and the troll factory
527
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,700
the walls remain sealed.
528
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:06,690
Even Andrey, who disclosed the
scoop advises to be cautious.
529
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:11,570
You should understand
this power structure.
530
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:14,320
dramatic music
531
00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:19,980
The czar.
532
00:46:22,070 --> 00:46:24,580
And there are a small circle.
533
00:46:24,580 --> 00:46:28,890
This small circle has
delegated the right to power
534
00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:33,870
in the name of the czar.
audience applauding
535
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:36,910
There are people who are
responsible like Surkov.
536
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:38,370
He delegates to them power
537
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:44,820
that will not go down from
this circle very often.
538
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:47,490
Paul Moreira Oh, OK.
539
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:50,120
Andrey For your press, it's
easy to put Putin everywhere
540
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,180
because it's like you can sell it.
541
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:53,800
Paul Moreira So you
think you go too fast
542
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,570
on those limits.
Yes, too fast.
543
00:46:56,570 --> 00:46:58,570
Paul Moreira That gives
a lot of power to Putin
544
00:46:58,570 --> 00:47:02,710
in Europe because people
think that he's over powerful.
545
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:07,610
You make his power more and more
546
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:13,460
because you say, OK, he's
responsible for this,
547
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:15,730
he's responsible for
this, he's responsible.
548
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:17,980
It's like something from fairy tale.
549
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,260
The main hero in a fairy tale
550
00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:26,260
and children become very, very...
551
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:31,430
Afraid.
Yes. laughs
552
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:34,020
Paul Moreira And the west
also happens to blame Putin
553
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:36,750
for things he didn't actually do.
554
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:38,660
typing
555
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:40,980
The most spectacular mistake was published
556
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:44,620
by the American newspaper
The Washington Post.
557
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:47,470
In December 2016 they announced
558
00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:50,960
that Russian hackers were about
to break into a power plant
559
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,710
in the U.S. in Vermont and
they were rather convincing.
560
00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:58,970
All the electricity in
America could be at the mercy
561
00:47:58,970 --> 00:48:00,420
of the Russians.
562
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:02,440
It was actually fake news.
563
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,820
A few days later The Washington Post
564
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:07,150
had to rebut its own scoop.
565
00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:10,020
According to sources
close to the investigation
566
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:12,550
it appeared that there
hadn't been any attacks
567
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:14,990
by Russian hackers on a
power plant in Vermont.
568
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:22,550
upbeat music
569
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:26,460
Maria played a part in
Trump's campaign from afar,
570
00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:27,720
but she's fully committed
571
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,200
to helping Marine Le
Pen's campaign in France.
572
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,710
crowd cheering
On the 27th of March
573
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:36,340
she's heading to Paris.
574
00:48:36,340 --> 00:48:38,000
There's still six weeks to go
575
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000
before the French presidential election.
576
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:53,470
speaking in foreign language
577
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,550
Paul Moreira Rykov's
team are sure of it.
578
00:49:08,550 --> 00:49:10,990
After Trump it'll be Marine.
579
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:13,250
We've decided to keep track of Maria
580
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:15,160
and see where she takes us.
581
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,140
She posts everything on the internet
582
00:49:17,140 --> 00:49:22,140
and avoids any interviews.
speaking in foreign language
583
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,680
She's with French MPs and
here's the room number, 6217.
584
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
motor roaring
585
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,920
tires squealing
586
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,630
At the National Assembly,
we come across a meeting
587
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:44,840
of the Franco-Russian Dialogue.
588
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Maria's gone, we've missed her,
589
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,940
but the meeting turns out
to be very interesting.
590
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:55,940
Let's stay for a bit.
speaking in foreign language
591
00:50:01,310 --> 00:50:03,320
Paul Moreira They're rather discreet,
592
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,190
but it's a pro-Russia
lobby gathering politicians
593
00:50:06,190 --> 00:50:08,410
and the biggest French companies,
594
00:50:08,410 --> 00:50:10,090
the ones that invest in Russia.
595
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:16,920
The boss of Total is the chairman of honor
596
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,980
and tens of European
companies are represented.
597
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:22,160
At the speakers' table
there's a journalist
598
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,680
from the far-right weekly
magazine Valeurs actuelles.
599
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,960
In the red tie a
representative of the far left.
600
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,880
And then the black tie,
a right-wing candidate.
601
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,040
They have nothing in common
apart from supporting Russia.
602
00:50:36,270 --> 00:50:40,190
speaking in foreign language
603
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:51,310
Paul Moreira The meeting's organizers
604
00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:54,480
are Thierry Mariani an Nicolas Dhuicq,
605
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,950
the MP who told Sputnik that Macron
606
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:58,640
could be an American agent.
607
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:03,040
cartoon running sound effect resounds
608
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,960
speaking in foreign language
609
00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:02,020
Paul Moreira Apparently
I'm not the only one
610
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:04,060
chasing Maria.
app whistling
611
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:07,470
She ends up sending me a
private message, lucky me.
612
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,590
zipper zipping
613
00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:23,410
The train's barely set off
614
00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:25,460
when I receive a message from Maria.
615
00:52:32,820 --> 00:52:35,590
I find out that she's been
invited to see Marine Le Pen
616
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,230
in front of the Russian cameras
617
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:41,030
she's given her the famous triptych.
618
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,990
speaking in foreign language
619
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:55,960
Paul Moreira And
during the conversation
620
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,170
Maria drops a significant hint.
621
00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:03,180
speaking in foreign language
622
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:19,100
Paul Moreira Marine Le Pen and Maria
623
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,200
share a belief and a method.
624
00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:27,690
speaking in foreign language
625
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,250
Paul Moreira Like Trump,
Le Pen discredits the media
626
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,910
at her rallies.
audience applauding
627
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:46,820
speaking in foreign language
628
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:53,550
crowd jeering and whistling
629
00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:58,490
Paul Moreira It's the
second round of voting.
630
00:53:58,490 --> 00:54:01,940
And in this final phase,
the pace picks up.
631
00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:04,140
Maria has returned to Moscow
632
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:06,870
She talks about her trip on TV.
633
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:09,620
Her boss Rykov organizes a secret meeting
634
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:11,250
of the Marine Committee.
635
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:16,250
On Facebook he writes, no
journalists, no mobile phones.
636
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:17,080
message notification whistles
637
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,050
The anti-Macron fake news speed up.
638
00:54:20,050 --> 00:54:23,380
The main one is published
on an American forum.
639
00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:27,380
Macron supposedly has a
secret account in a tax haven.
640
00:54:27,380 --> 00:54:29,930
Fake news, which is then spread on the net
641
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:34,410
by National Front supporters
and by Marine Le Pen herself
642
00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:39,260
on television.
speaking in foreign language
643
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:45,350
Paul Moreira The
French campaign is starting
644
00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:48,420
to strangely resemble the Trump campaign.
645
00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:51,000
It would only take for
Macron's collaborators'
646
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,700
email accounts to be hacked
647
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:54,790
for the parallel to be completely drawn.
648
00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:02,180
speaking in foreign language
649
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:12,330
Paul Moreira At the
general headquarters
650
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:15,130
of the Macron campaign, the same morning.
651
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,730
A fake email was received in
the name of the man in charge
652
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:23,080
of the digital campaign, Mounir Mahjoubi.
653
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:29,340
speaking in foreign language
654
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Paul Moreira But they weren't quite
655
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,660
as ready as expected.
656
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:21,060
The next day, not paying attention,
657
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:23,600
a coworker clicks on a fake email.
658
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,470
The hackers finally access the inboxes
659
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:29,410
of six of Macron's collaborators.
660
00:56:29,410 --> 00:56:33,330
speaking in foreign language
661
00:56:34,940 --> 00:56:37,140
Paul Moreira The emails
are posted on the internet
662
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:39,660
with the aim of changing
the course of the election
663
00:56:39,660 --> 00:56:42,110
with the controversial revelations,
664
00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:45,580
but the French press refuses
to publish these data.
665
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:49,500
speaking in foreign language
666
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,210
Paul Moreira It's
impossible to pin the hacking
667
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:21,550
on the Russians, but on
social media Maria teases.
668
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,670
She publishes a link to the hacked emails
669
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:35,800
in the Macron campaign, the Macron leaks.
670
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:42,830
This evening in Moscow, Maria and Rykov
671
00:57:42,830 --> 00:57:46,060
are organizing a party
for the French elections.
672
00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:49,150
They are hoping to help
Marine Le Pen to victory.
673
00:57:49,150 --> 00:57:51,680
We're amongst the invited guests.
674
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,670
Maria is there posing for the cameras
675
00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:58,520
and Konstantin Rykov finally
emerges from the shadows.
676
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,200
speaking in foreign language
At last,
677
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,880
we get to interview Maria.
678
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:11,700
speaking in foreign language
679
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:45,540
Paul Moreira Always the same slogan.
680
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:48,440
No proof that the Kremlin is to blame.
681
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,510
But just a few meters away from us
682
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:54,150
could be the proof that's
evaded us from the start.
683
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:59,150
In 2014 Rykov was tracked
by a group of enemy hackers.
684
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:01,160
Two criminal hackers.
685
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,400
Paul Moreira Their
name was Shaltai-Boltai
686
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,530
and they succeeded in hacking the phones
687
00:59:05,530 --> 00:59:08,130
and computers of Kremlin officials.
688
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:12,720
They got hold of thousands
of mails, texts, and photos.
689
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,290
dramatic music
690
00:59:15,290 --> 00:59:16,920
The just posted in the internet.
691
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,290
Paul Moreira And
you knew who they were?
692
00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:21,900
No, of course not, actually
no one could at first
693
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:23,840
understand what is all about.
694
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,840
For us it was a very difficult job
695
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,060
sitting for a month and
trying to understand
696
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:30,840
what is the sense of these messages
697
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,990
and who are actually
behind these messages?
698
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,860
Paul Moreira In the mass
of data, Roman discovered
699
00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:40,890
the telephone contents
of one of Putin's men.
700
00:59:40,890 --> 00:59:42,820
He works for the Kremlin and is in charge
701
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:45,170
of the internet propaganda.
702
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:47,800
His name is Timur Prokopenko.
703
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,250
There are several exchanges with Rykov.
704
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:55,820
The two men planned to use Marine Le Pen
705
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:57,370
for the benefit of the Kremlin.
706
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:06,700
message notifications beeping
707
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:28,450
On the 17th of March, 2014
Marine Le Pen announces
708
01:00:28,450 --> 01:00:31,940
her support for the annexation
of Crimea by Russia.
709
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:36,060
Marine Le Pen denies any
knowledge of Rykov's existence,
710
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:38,010
but for him and for the Kremlin
711
01:00:38,010 --> 01:00:39,920
it's been a successful mission.
712
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,640
The Russian point of view is championed
713
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,110
by one of the main
political parties of France.
714
01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:51,940
message notifications beeping
715
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:58,160
As it seems, a Kremlin official
716
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,210
turned Le Pen into an agent
of influence through Rykov.
717
01:01:02,210 --> 01:01:05,670
Rykov is in the bar, it's
our only chance to ask him.
718
01:01:06,850 --> 01:01:08,110
speaking in foreign language
719
01:01:08,110 --> 01:01:10,550
We can talk interview about today, no?
720
01:01:11,410 --> 01:01:13,240
Why not, you are the mastermind of this.
721
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:14,970
You are the architect of this thing.
722
01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:15,800
Rykov No, no, no.
723
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,490
Paul Moreira No, why not?
724
01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:19,970
speaking in foreign language
725
01:01:19,970 --> 01:01:22,780
Rykov spends most of
his time in this alcove
726
01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,150
the entrance to which looks to be guarded
727
01:01:25,150 --> 01:01:28,320
while Maria entertains
her audience on the stage.
728
01:01:29,790 --> 01:01:31,100
Let's try and slip in.
729
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:34,750
Just one question, on the internet
730
01:01:34,750 --> 01:01:39,190
I saw that you had an
exchange with Mr. Prokopenko
731
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:42,610
from the Kremlin to help Marine Le Pen.
732
01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:44,010
Not me.
Not you.
733
01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:46,370
It was a fake.
It was a fake.
734
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:51,150
Rykov Some guys who put,
how could they end up stolen?
735
01:01:51,150 --> 01:01:53,100
Paul Moreira Shaltai Boltai, right?
736
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,370
Could the texting between
the Kremlin official
737
01:01:59,370 --> 01:02:01,270
and Maria's boss be fake?
738
01:02:03,290 --> 01:02:05,590
That cannot be so because we checked
739
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:11,260
that several times, that is 100% real SMS,
740
01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:13,380
but of course I would be surprised
741
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:15,680
if Rykov would confirm that,
742
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,380
because that's all very sensitive.
743
01:02:19,810 --> 01:02:22,520
Paul Moreira You did
not help Marine Le Pen,
744
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,540
but you're helping her now.
745
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:25,820
Rykov We're just a fan.
746
01:02:25,820 --> 01:02:27,090
Paul Moreira You're what?
747
01:02:27,090 --> 01:02:28,100
Rykov Like a fan.
748
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:29,020
Woman Yeah, it's just like a fan club.
749
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:29,850
Paul Moreira Fan club.
750
01:02:29,850 --> 01:02:32,250
Woman It doesn't refer
to official government.
751
01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:35,890
I think the best thing, if you ask Maria.
752
01:02:35,890 --> 01:02:38,310
Paul Moreira Oh yeah,
so he stays in the shadow
753
01:02:38,310 --> 01:02:39,140
and she speaks?
754
01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:39,970
Woman Yeah, I definitely think so
755
01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:41,820
because he doesn't like to be filmed.
756
01:02:41,820 --> 01:02:44,710
Paul Moreira OK, so yeah,
he's like the shadow cabinet.
757
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:46,030
Yeah.
In the shadow government.
758
01:02:46,030 --> 01:02:47,880
laughing
He's pretty camera shy.
759
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:50,640
Paul Moreira Just a fan club.
760
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,670
That's the official line from Rykov,
761
01:02:53,530 --> 01:02:56,150
but a few weeks later on a Russian website
762
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:59,020
a journalist manages to
get a few words out of him
763
01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:02,740
on his key role in Le Pen
and Trump's campaigns.
764
01:03:02,740 --> 01:03:05,660
news theme music
765
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:10,850
speaking in foreign language
766
01:04:15,370 --> 01:04:17,000
dramatic music
767
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,070
Paul Moreira The story
could have ended there
768
01:04:19,070 --> 01:04:22,160
with a failed mission and
Maria's dejected pout.
769
01:04:23,580 --> 01:04:26,330
crowd cheering
770
01:04:33,550 --> 01:04:35,700
But that evening in the restaurant
771
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:40,700
I notice a familiar face,
Pierre Malinowski, a French.
772
01:04:41,010 --> 01:04:44,460
A former soldier, he is
assistant to Jean-Marie Le Pen.
773
01:04:45,730 --> 01:04:50,030
He's often in Russia and is
a die-hard admirer of Putin.
774
01:04:50,030 --> 01:04:54,270
Luckily he's a smoker, let's
have a few words outside.
775
01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:57,690
He gives away a secret without
really thinking about it.
776
01:05:00,790 --> 01:05:04,710
speaking in foreign language
777
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,050
Paul Moreira So
Vladimir Putin suppoedly
778
01:05:27,050 --> 01:05:28,990
secretly met with the leader
779
01:05:28,990 --> 01:05:33,310
of the most powerful far-right
party in Europe twice.
780
01:05:33,310 --> 01:05:35,380
It's a huge investment,
781
01:05:35,380 --> 01:05:38,310
and nothing comes for free in this world.
782
01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:41,410
What did Putin want
from the National Front?
783
01:05:41,410 --> 01:05:42,950
What was his plan?
784
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:45,800
We wanted to ask Marine Le Pen in person,
785
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,610
but our requests remained unanswered.
786
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,520
speaking in foreign language
787
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,530
Paul Moreira Aymeric
Chauprade knew about it.
788
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:15,660
Even if the former Mr.
Russia of the National Front
789
01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:17,980
wasn't at the meetings in person.
790
01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:21,890
speaking in foreign language
791
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,210
Paul Moreira And Marine Le
Pen earned a lot from Russia.
792
01:06:30,210 --> 01:06:32,450
More than 12 million euros.
793
01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:35,200
That's the sum of two
loans to the National Front
794
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:40,200
in 2014 and 2016, loans which
should have remained secret
795
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,390
but were disclosed by
the newspaper Mediapart.
796
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:47,070
Officially they were business transactions
797
01:06:47,070 --> 01:06:51,270
with no strings attached, no
win-win deals with the Kremlin
798
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:53,040
but were they really?
799
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,280
The man who negotiated the
Russian money is a member
800
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,040
of the European Parliament,
Jean-Luc Schaffhauser.
801
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,840
He claims to have worked
as an intermediary
802
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,070
for Total, Dassault, and Thales in Russia.
803
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,120
He was sent there for the first time
804
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,050
by Pope Jean-Paul the Second in 1989.
805
01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:18,820
He's got a lot of inside knowledge.
806
01:07:18,820 --> 01:07:21,960
The only problem is he's not
the biggest fan of journalists.
807
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,040
I'll have to earn his trust.
808
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,130
The only thing I know
is that he's Catholic
809
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:28,760
and a bit hot-headed.
810
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:34,620
speaking in foreign language
811
01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:23,030
Paul Moreira I'd got
the help of God on this.
812
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:25,600
We've touched upon a biblical metaphor
813
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,280
and the tone of the conversation changes.
814
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,200
speaking in foreign language
815
01:08:56,330 --> 01:08:57,780
dramatic music
816
01:08:57,780 --> 01:08:59,750
Paul Moreira State secrets
between the National Front
817
01:08:59,750 --> 01:09:02,790
and Vladimir Putin, it's going well.
818
01:09:02,790 --> 01:09:04,970
I still have to find out the exact role
819
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:08,200
of Putin and the releasing
of the millions of Euros.
820
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,590
Officially, none.
821
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:14,570
speaking in foreign language
822
01:09:32,210 --> 01:09:33,750
Paul Moreira But this Mr. Babakov
823
01:09:33,750 --> 01:09:35,710
isn't just the regular banker.
824
01:09:35,710 --> 01:09:38,300
He works for Vladimir
Putin's administration.
825
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:42,990
He was put in charge of Russians abroad.
826
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,790
speaking in foreign language
827
01:10:57,630 --> 01:10:59,020
Paul Moreira And yet, it is.
828
01:10:59,020 --> 01:11:01,780
Aymeric Chauprade, who now speaks freely
829
01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:04,770
revealed the Kremlin's real intentions
830
01:11:04,770 --> 01:11:07,020
when it came to the National Front.
831
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:09,860
And it had nothing to do
with a business transaction.
832
01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:16,670
speaking in foreign language
833
01:11:42,420 --> 01:11:45,170
dramatic music
834
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:52,810
speaking in foreign language
835
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,240
boots stomping ground
836
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,290
Paul Moreira Russians
against Americans,
837
01:12:00,290 --> 01:12:04,080
bloc against bloc, the
return of the Cold War.
838
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,420
In this new chess game of power
839
01:12:06,420 --> 01:12:08,990
the National Front is only a minor pawn.
840
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:12,720
It's in Ukraine that this new Cold War
841
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,590
has really become visible.
842
01:12:14,590 --> 01:12:18,590
In 2014 a government close
to Moscow is overthrown.
843
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:23,020
The Ukrainian rebels want to
escape the grasp of Russia.
844
01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:30,310
The United States openly
supports the change of regime.
845
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:33,260
Free world is with
you, America is with you,
846
01:12:33,260 --> 01:12:34,090
I am with you.
847
01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:37,310
Paul Moreira For the Russians,
848
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:41,520
it's a hostile coup
d'etat on their doorstep.
849
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,360
They give military support
to the insurrection
850
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,320
of the Russian population
in the east of Ukraine
851
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,960
gunshots resound
and they annex Crimea.
852
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,400
Two wars are running in parallel.
853
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,490
The military war and
the war of information.
854
01:12:57,420 --> 01:13:00,440
Russia Today falsely
accuses the Ukrainians
855
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:04,200
of crucifying Russian babies,
whilst on the other side
856
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,560
some Western journalists keep quiet
857
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,540
about the atrocities of the
most violent Ukrainian militia.
858
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:18,790
One example is this piece
on this Ukrainian girl.
859
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:20,650
The author, a French journalist
860
01:13:20,650 --> 01:13:23,210
failed to mention that she was a Nazi
861
01:13:23,210 --> 01:13:26,610
and that her battalion was
accused by Amnesty International
862
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:29,340
of executing pro-Russian civilians.
863
01:13:31,330 --> 01:13:34,230
At the time of the Ukrainian conflict
864
01:13:34,230 --> 01:13:36,750
the Russians considered themselves victims
865
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:37,950
of Russia phobia.
866
01:13:39,420 --> 01:13:41,800
For them, the media war is now on.
867
01:13:45,650 --> 01:13:49,140
At the heart of the state media
there's a group of experts
868
01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:53,150
in ideological war led by Olga Sinowjewa.
869
01:13:53,150 --> 01:13:56,510
They organize conferences
and publish articles.
870
01:13:56,510 --> 01:13:59,940
One of their major texts
was published by Sputnik
871
01:13:59,940 --> 01:14:02,660
and translated into several languages.
872
01:14:02,660 --> 01:14:04,790
It's a media war treaty.
873
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:09,560
Unfortunately, Russia is forced
874
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,930
to resort to the information war weapons.
875
01:14:12,930 --> 01:14:16,390
The information war leads
to take regrettable actions.
876
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:25,040
Olga Sinowjewa lives at
Moscow State University.
877
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:27,360
Paul Moreira You remember this?
878
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,490
Yes, more or less, yes, more or less.
879
01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:31,900
You have to stay on your position.
880
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:34,180
You are fighting for your country.
881
01:14:34,180 --> 01:14:36,630
You are responsible for your country.
882
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:40,560
So from this point of
view, all of the ideas
883
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,280
or means or possibilities are welcome.
884
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,930
Even like using fake news or--
885
01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:50,220
No, not at all.
886
01:14:50,220 --> 01:14:52,910
Because that's how you
could interpret your text.
887
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:56,090
You know, I'm afraid that
the translation wasn't correct.
888
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:59,600
Not very correct, I will, how to say,
889
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,370
I didn't read it from
the beginning to the end,
890
01:15:02,370 --> 01:15:05,010
so I beg your pardon,
but I wouldn't be able
891
01:15:05,010 --> 01:15:07,520
to use such words.
OK.
892
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,990
Let's not justify ourselves
on the fabrication
893
01:15:10,990 --> 01:15:14,070
because the West uses the same methods.
894
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:15,200
No, no.
No.
895
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,000
That's absolutely--
We are not well translated.
896
01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:22,540
You know, I'm afraid
that's not well translated,
897
01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:25,370
but it's a fake, it's a fake.
898
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:26,990
Well, it comes from Sputnik.
899
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:29,950
Yes, I know, but I have to discuss,
900
01:15:29,950 --> 01:15:34,040
I have to research this
translation, thank you very much.
901
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,950
dramatic music
902
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:39,120
Paul Moreira Today Russia's soft power
903
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,980
has spread across Europe.
904
01:15:40,980 --> 01:15:44,300
In Germany, notably
there's a Russian community
905
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:46,560
of more than four million people.
906
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,410
airplane engine roaring
907
01:15:50,410 --> 01:15:54,240
In January 2016 Russian propaganda
908
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,010
took advantage of one
particularly controversial case.
909
01:16:00,270 --> 01:16:03,120
In Marzahn, Berlin's Russian district
910
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,010
a 13-year-old girl Liza
claims to have been raped
911
01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:09,710
by three Arab refugees.
912
01:16:09,710 --> 01:16:11,840
The police don't arrest any suspects
913
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,710
in the hours that follow.
914
01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:16,900
The German Sputnik site denounces the rape
915
01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:19,740
and the refugees apparent impunity.
916
01:16:19,740 --> 01:16:23,160
Protests by Russian-Germans are sparked.
917
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,070
The leader of the most conservative
918
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:28,490
Russian-German association
is Heinrich Groth.
919
01:16:29,930 --> 01:16:33,850
speaking in foreign language
920
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:46,270
Paul Moreira He turns the rape case
921
01:16:46,270 --> 01:16:49,030
into an anti-refugee campaign.
922
01:16:50,230 --> 01:16:54,150
speaking in foreign language
923
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,790
crowd cheering and whistling
924
01:17:05,790 --> 01:17:09,710
speaking in foreign language
925
01:17:29,860 --> 01:17:31,670
Paul Moreira Around
one million migrants
926
01:17:31,670 --> 01:17:35,090
have come to Germany since 2015.
927
01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:38,000
A fact widely exploited
by the extreme right
928
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,150
and Russian propaganda.
929
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,260
In the Russian district of Berlin
930
01:17:52,260 --> 01:17:55,900
another activist assumed
a dissenting voice.
931
01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:59,980
Alexander Reiser is Russian
and he manages a very active
932
01:17:59,980 --> 01:18:02,520
multicultural association.
933
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,350
He's known in the community.
934
01:18:04,350 --> 01:18:06,330
He joined in with the protests.
935
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:09,450
Until the day he snapped.
936
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:16,420
speaking in foreign language
937
01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:26,170
Paul Moreira A topic covered
938
01:19:26,170 --> 01:19:29,660
by the main Russian TV channel
is adding fuel to the fire.
939
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:34,500
speaking in foreign language
940
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,340
Paul Moreira Two weeks
later, the story takes a turn.
941
01:19:46,340 --> 01:19:48,670
Vladimir Putin's closest collaborator,
942
01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:50,910
the Russian minister for foreign affairs
943
01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:53,370
gives an official statement on the matter.
944
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,320
speaking in foreign language
945
01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:22,330
Paul Moreira For
Alexander Reiser who dared
946
01:20:22,330 --> 01:20:26,190
to voice his doubts, life
becomes a living hell.
947
01:20:26,190 --> 01:20:28,810
He's been the target of a troll attack.
948
01:20:28,810 --> 01:20:32,720
speaking in foreign language
949
01:20:50,190 --> 01:20:52,440
laughing
950
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,890
dramatic music
951
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:46,220
Paul Moreira The
German police conclude
952
01:21:46,220 --> 01:21:48,280
the results of their investigation.
953
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,580
The young girl lied, there was no rape.
954
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:58,930
speaking in foreign language
955
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:10,840
Paul Moreira Liza's
case hype dies down,
956
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,220
but in the minds of
many Russians in Germany
957
01:22:13,220 --> 01:22:15,570
the fear of migrants lives on,
958
01:22:15,570 --> 01:22:19,120
especially because Liza's
fiance was of Turkish origin.
959
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,560
speaking in foreign language
960
01:22:42,730 --> 01:22:45,540
Paul Moreira During the
late elections Heinrich Groth,
961
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:48,420
the president of the
Russian-German Association
962
01:22:48,420 --> 01:22:51,780
gave his support to the
extreme right party,
963
01:22:51,780 --> 01:22:53,610
Alternative for Germany.
964
01:22:53,610 --> 01:22:57,440
The AfD owes a huge part
of its voting success
965
01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:59,660
to the Russian community in Germany.
966
01:22:59,660 --> 01:23:01,940
It's the only party to have translated
967
01:23:01,940 --> 01:23:03,710
its manifesto into Russian.
968
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:09,330
In September 2017 the AfD
entered German Parliament.
969
01:23:10,780 --> 01:23:13,020
It's the first time the far right
970
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:15,330
had made it in since the war.
971
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:20,430
Alexander Gauland is
the leader of the AfD.
972
01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:27,170
speaking in foreign language
973
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,770
Paul Moreira In Germany the
fear of migrants and Muslims
974
01:23:49,770 --> 01:23:54,030
is displayed on the street each
and every Monday since 2014.
975
01:23:55,340 --> 01:23:59,110
The PEGIDA movement unites
tens of thousands of Germans
976
01:23:59,110 --> 01:24:01,900
who are against the
opening of the borders.
977
01:24:01,900 --> 01:24:05,820
chanting in foreign language
978
01:24:28,490 --> 01:24:29,790
Paul Moreira Amongst the protesters
979
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:31,640
we spot Russian flags.
980
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:37,420
speaking in foreign language
981
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:41,740
Paul Moreira And
sometimes even half-German
982
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:42,940
half-Russian flags.
983
01:24:44,500 --> 01:24:48,420
speaking in foreign language
984
01:25:07,010 --> 01:25:09,250
Paul Moreira Then
there's also Lutz Bachmann,
985
01:25:09,250 --> 01:25:10,460
the founder of PEGIDA.
986
01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:13,950
Since the press published pictures of him
987
01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:17,890
dressed up as Hitler, he's not
been too keen on journalists.
988
01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:24,660
speaking in foreign language
989
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,080
Paul Moreira Bachmann
ends up giving his opinion
990
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,320
in his speech.
991
01:25:39,340 --> 01:25:43,250
speaking in foreign language
992
01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:56,030
crowd applauding and cheering
993
01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:58,560
Paul Moreira
Counter-protesters are also there.
994
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,970
They support Germany's refugee policy.
995
01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:06,610
bells ringing
996
01:26:06,610 --> 01:26:10,530
speaking in foreign language
997
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:16,560
bells ringing
chanting in foreign language
998
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,500
They like the
authoritarian style of Putin.
999
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:24,500
They are attracted to sort
of nationalistic movements
1000
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:28,920
and so on and so they
feel a liking to them.
1001
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,720
They also like Trump, they
also like Marine Le Pen,
1002
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,780
so it's not specifically to Putin,
1003
01:26:34,780 --> 01:26:38,580
but Russia is the only regime
that's sort of authoritarian
1004
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:41,260
so this is why the flags are here.
1005
01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:46,260
Le Pen, OK, Le Pen OK,
Le Pen OK! laughing
1006
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:51,000
Paul Moreira Most PEGIDA
members vote for the AfD.
1007
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,670
Do you get some financial aid from Russia?
1008
01:26:56,670 --> 01:26:57,780
speaking in foreign language
1009
01:26:57,780 --> 01:26:58,850
Paul Moreira Yeah.
1010
01:26:58,850 --> 01:27:02,760
speaking in foreign language
1011
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:39,720
dramatic music
1012
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,710
Paul Moreira In 2015
however, a powerful Russian
1013
01:27:42,710 --> 01:27:45,730
ultra-orthodox religious foundation
1014
01:27:45,730 --> 01:27:47,520
very active in Western Europe
1015
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,390
arranged for Alexander
Gauland to travel to Russia.
1016
01:27:51,390 --> 01:27:53,710
A trip which was kept very discreet.
1017
01:27:53,710 --> 01:27:57,620
speaking in foreign language
1018
01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:50,090
Paul Moreira Konstantin
Malofeev is a key figure
1019
01:28:50,090 --> 01:28:52,430
in Russia's influence in Europe.
1020
01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:56,550
He created a religious
foundation and he's very wealthy.
1021
01:28:56,550 --> 01:29:00,170
He used his money to try
and build a European network
1022
01:29:00,170 --> 01:29:03,970
of far-right parties from the FPA in power
1023
01:29:03,970 --> 01:29:06,860
in Austria today to the
French National Front
1024
01:29:06,860 --> 01:29:11,160
and the AfD in Germany.
dramatic music
1025
01:29:12,450 --> 01:29:15,340
Aymeric Chauprade was
part of this project.
1026
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:21,740
speaking in foreign language
1027
01:29:40,370 --> 01:29:43,140
Paul Moreira Malofeev has
created an ultra-conservative
1028
01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:47,150
television channel in order to
promote his ideas in Russia.
1029
01:29:47,150 --> 01:29:50,400
Officially it's not
airing for the Kremlin.
1030
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,990
speaking in foreign language
1031
01:29:52,990 --> 01:29:54,370
It's very Byzantine.
1032
01:29:54,370 --> 01:29:56,300
The painting.
Just like a church.
1033
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,450
Konstantin Malofeev has agreed to meet us.
1034
01:30:00,450 --> 01:30:02,100
He rarely gives interviews.
1035
01:30:03,060 --> 01:30:05,150
Do we want independents to think about
1036
01:30:05,150 --> 01:30:08,240
their own interests, not to
think about globalist ideas
1037
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,020
about one new world order,
1038
01:30:11,020 --> 01:30:15,040
liberal, LGBT supporters, globalism.
1039
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,890
Get out of NATO, get
out from European Union.
1040
01:30:17,890 --> 01:30:20,780
And France, of Louis Quatorze also.
1041
01:30:21,850 --> 01:30:23,670
crowd clapping
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Paul Moreira In
France, Malofeev secretly
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helped out Jean-Marie Le Pen in 2014.
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crowd cheering
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Crowd Jean-Marie, Jean-Marie,
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Jean-Marie, Jean-Marie, Jean-Marie.
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I sympathize Jean-Marie
Le Pen and I believe
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that he's a man from the big letter M.
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So because he's a personality
and in French politics now
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it's big lack of personality.
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How did you help him get this money?
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I have friends and
you know, these friends
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were more motivated to
help politicians in Europe.
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So basically you connected him with a--
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Yes.
OK.
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My feeling is that you fit much more close
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to the anti-gay marriage movement
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than you are to the National Front.
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Now for sure, but I'm not
calling this anti-gay.
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I'm calling this anti-sodomite. laughs
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Well, it's not restricted
to gays, this practice.
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Sodomite is the old word from
the Bible and we can use it.
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Of course I am closer to this because
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family is the last fortress.
dramatic music
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Paul Moreira In 2013
in France protesters
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against gay marriage
openly turned to Russia.
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira We've
discovered that Malofeev
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has given financial aid to some of them.
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Amongst them, an association
led by Fabrice Sorlin,
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an ultra-Catholic.
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chanting in foreign language
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Do you accomplish
part of Putin's agenda?
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I'm putting it to you very frankly.
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Maybe, but not because he asked me.
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Hm, OK.
Just because you know,
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that's my view, I'm very independent.
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Paul Moreira When I
started this investigation
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I wondered if the information war
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was foreshadowing the
real war, the deadly one.
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I'd find the answer to this question
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on the pavements of Moscow.
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In Russia, May sees the
season of military parades.
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They celebrate their victory
over the Nazis in 1945.
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They parade with state of the art weapons.
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This display of power
lasts the whole morning,
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but the crowd at the
back is rather sparse.
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motors rumbling
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In the afternoon there's another parade
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involving 700,000 people.
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shouting in foreign language
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No weapons, no artillery, just pictures.
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The families come to honor
the memory of their parents
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killed during World War Two.
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In Russia, even the
farthest right is anti-Nazi.
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I'm representative of
the people who suffered
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from Nazism more than all
other people in the world.
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singing in foreign language
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speaking in foreign language
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Paul Moreira Konstantin
Malofeev is working
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towards reestablishing an
ultra-nationalist axis in Europe,
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one that includes many Neo-Nazis.
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Can I show you a picture?
Please.
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OK, this was filmed in May the first
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at the meeting of Jean-Marie Le Pen.
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chanting in foreign language
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Listen to this guy.
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speaking in foreign language
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chanting in foreign language
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Listen, but I can't find anything
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against Jean-Marie at this meeting.
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You just made a movie
with one guy in the crowd.
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OK.
I have no any doubt
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that what you are showing
me looks like he's a Nazi.
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But you know that the
founders of the National Front,
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some of them are from the Waffen-SS
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like Mr. Leon Gaultier,
are you aware of that?
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I think that people can't
be blamed for their past
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when they're 50 years or 60 years after.
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speaking in foreign language
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