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eerie music
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[man]This is the video,it's called the Kumburgaz video,
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which is a close-up of a craft.
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So close that you can seethe occupants.
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It is 100% real,
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and I was thereas that was filmed.
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[newsman]The Pentagonnow confirms the existence
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of a secretive UFO programinvestigating reports
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of unidentified flying objects.
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[Diana Walsh Pasulka]I remember, when I woke up
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the day it came out,it was a bombshell, right?
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That's what it was.
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[John Greenewald Jr.]This is it.
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This is when the government andthe military is gonna come out
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and reveal the truthbehind what these UFOs are.
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[man]I believe,as do the other folks
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that were on the flight,that it was something
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not from this world.
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[Leslie Kean]The question,
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"Do you believe in UFOs?"
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really doesn't make any sense.
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There's no issueof belief there.
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-[woman]Those are aliens!-[man]Look, they're stopping.
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[woman]Literally, whatthe actual [bleep] is going on?
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[Pasulka]You have peopleexperiencing something
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that theydon't quite understand.
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[man over radio]My gosh! Look at that thing!
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[whooshing]
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[Kevin Day]When this whole thing started,
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I tried to tell people about it.
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I was really frustrated,because no one seemed to care.
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This thingalmost killed me, man.
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pulsing, dramatic music
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[wind whistling softly]
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pulsing, suspenseful music
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[George Knapp]The UFO world's just crazy.
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Everybody has their own turf.
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[door bell tinkles]
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I chose to move to Las Vegason a coin flip.
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Just flat-out luckthat I happened to be
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in the right placeat the right time
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and got to meetthe right people.
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Investigators say they'rehaving a tough time identifying
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the four people killed ina plane crash in Arizona today,
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because thereisn't much left to ID.
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I've done thousandsand thousands of stories.
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In Mississippi,a man says he's killed
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at least 60 other people
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and wants to be giventhe death penalty.
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I've won two Peabodys.
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[newsman]George Knapp hasthe story for us.
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Residents of the exclusive
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Siena VillageGolf Course community
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have got to be shakingtheir heads in disbelief
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right about nowbecause of a prostitution ring
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that has allegedlybeen operating
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right under their noses.
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But I will always bethe "UFO guy."
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In some cases, it does appear
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that variousgovernment officials
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have withheld informationabout UFOs from the public.
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Wherever I go--I'm in a grocery store,
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I'm in a restaurant,I'm in a bar,
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I'm standing at a urinal--
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people want to come upand talk to me about UFOs.
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These days, the locals usethese old airstrips
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to race dragstersand the old hangars
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as an industrial park.
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But 42 years ago,this is where it all began--
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the birthplace of what some havecalled the "Cosmic Watergate."
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[Greenewald]A key player
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in this entire storyis a journalist by the name
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of George Knapp.
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His name now is really connectedto the AATIP story.
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We've been working on this storyfor a long time,
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and we'll tell youright up front
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that it's going to be hardto swallow at first.
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George has contributed immenselyto the UFO field
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for quite a few years.
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That's because Georgeis able to gain access
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to reports,sometimes official documents,
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-and key players.-[Harry Reid]You know, George,
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I'll have to look at this.
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I have heardabout this exact story.
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[Knapp]I will tell you this:95% of it
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is bullshit.
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But the other five percent
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is really interesting.
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And if it's true,
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it would be the biggest storyof all time.
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If it is true.
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If even a little bit of itis true, it's gigantic.
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The implications are enormousfor everyone.
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[beeping]
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[Mike Wallace]The Air Forcehas said, time and time again,
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"All but a small percentageof these reports
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of unidentified flying objects
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have been definitely attributedto natural phenomena
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that are neither mysteriousnor dire."
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End quotes.
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That's the topAir Force intelligence men
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and scientists under contractsent the secret documents
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to the commanding generalof the Air Force,
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saying that whatever thesethings were, they were real.
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And they have been spendinga lot of money
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investigating flying saucers.
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If they don't exist...
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why the money, why dothe intelligence teams rush out
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every time there's a sighting?
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There was a white,glowing object in the sky.
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It might have been a spaceship,it might not have been.
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I would say, since it did appear
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to approach us,it might have been.
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[man]It was the strangest thingthat I've ever seen.
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By far,the strangest I've ever seen
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in a few years of reporting.
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[woman]I just saw the round front,
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and I could see the lighton either side.
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And then the red lightwas sort of casting a glow
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over the whole thing,so it looked like...
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a round disk.
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I wasn't afraid.
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I... I just wanted to stay there
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and keep my eyes glued to it;I couldn't leave.
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[woman 2]And then it seemedto just go together,
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make a ball
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and fly out into that field,
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and it was a great big, huge,yellow glow out there.
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eerie, chiming music
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-[Knapp]Hi.-[waitress]Hi.
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-Would you like some coffee?-Some coffee? Coffee, please?
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Yeah. Thanks.
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I was a debate coachin the Bay Area,
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and I met these bartendersfrom Las Vegas,
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and they were the craziestpeople I'd ever met.
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upbeat, rhythmic music
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They told me, "You know,
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we know a guy in televisionin Las Vegas.
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You should go there.You can break into television."
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That was 1979.
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I drove a cabfor a couple of months,
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and I was terrible at it.
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[horn honks]
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All I knew waswhere the airport was,
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and I knew where the Strip was.
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I had no idea
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about the Nevadanuclear test site.
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Or the secret programsthat were out there.
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I certainly had no idea
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there was a place calledArea 51.
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[camera shutter clicking]
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I look at it, and I realize--
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and I was cocky at the time--what this field needs
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is a goodinvestigative reporter.
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I'll have this wrapped up in,like, six months.
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[newsman]Have UFOsbeen given a fair shake
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by science,journalism and the government?
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George Knapp joins us nowwith part one
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of the cover story series,"UFOs: The Best Evidence."
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I banged away at this storyfor decades.
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There is now a staggering amountof information on this subject,
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collected not by crackpots
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but by respected, mainstream,level-headed people.
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We stoppedat Edwards Air Force Base
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to record videofor a future project.
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Edwards hasa distinct relationship
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with its more mysterious cousinin Nevada, Area 51.
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And then, bam,The New York Times
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does this story--it changed everything.
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[newsman]A recent reportbyThe New York Times
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unveiled the existence ofa real-life X-Files department.
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The Pentagon tells usthe program received
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more than $20 million dollarsfor its work, which included
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analyzing reportsfrom military pilots
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of encounterswith unknown objects
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that appear to defythe laws of physics.
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[Knapp]A couple of weeksbefore the story came out,
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I had heard it was gonna happen,and, of course, by that point
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I'd been sittingon some of this information
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for a number of years.
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I go: Well,why can'tIbreak this story?
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I've been sitting on this.
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I've been, you know,
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I've kept my word.
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I want to do it.
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So I get a call from...
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Harry Reid.
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He gently sort of let me know,you know,
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"You're notThe New York Times."
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[Greenewald]There is a secret UFO program
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inside the Departmentof Defense--
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on the front pageofThe New York Times.
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[Knapp] The New York Timesis not pro-UFO.
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This is not something
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they like to coveron a regular basis.
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If I do the story, it's just theUFO reporter doing the story.
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It would fall with a thud,
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and nobodywould pay attention to it.
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So I backed off.
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"Yeah, go ahead."
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We're still feeling
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the reverberations.
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There's now a report
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that will be issued by the...
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by the Pentagon,
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uh, by the Secretary of Defense
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and the Directorof National Intelligence.
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I actually wantedto get this information out
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and declassify itbefore I left office, but...
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when that informationbecomes declassified,
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I'll be able to talka little bit more about that.
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[Kean]The Department of Defensehas been studying UFOs
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since 2007--that's what the story was.
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The actual articlewas really based on things
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I'd learned from the directorof the program and...
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interviews that we did
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with other playersinvolved with AATIP:
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the Advanced AerospaceThreat Identification Program.
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[Knapp]I'm awarethat the organization
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was up and running.
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I didn't knowwhat the program was called.
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I had never heardthe name AATIP,
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and I didn't knowwho Lue Elizondo was.
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I knew there was somebodywho was working on this stuff.
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[Greenewald]Mr. Luis Elizondo
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talked about runninga program that dealt with
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unidentified aerial phenomena,or UFOs.
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The Pentagonwas interested in it,
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they were investigating it,and he was the guy that led it.
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According to Mr. Luis Elizondo,AAITIP looked at videos.
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When a military pilotsaw something
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that he couldn't explain,AAITIP was gonna come aboard
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and try and figure it out.
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[Keen]It was originally instigated
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by the DefenseIntelligence Agency,
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and Harry Reid,the senator from Nevada,
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was very instrumentalin setting it up.
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[man]You guys ready?
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Yes, we're rolling.
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[Reid]When I was askedby a reporter
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fromThe New York Times,
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I said: I'm happy to doan interview with you,
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but I want some ground rules.
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We're not gonna be talkingabout little green men.
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I will only talkabout scientific issues.
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And I recognize that...
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what I got started herewas kind of taking a chance.
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But I think it's paid off.
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[Hayes]The remarkable admissionby the Pentagon
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came as a result of reportingbyThe New York Times,
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pretty august publication.
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[Knapp]This is not birds.
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It's not somebody else's plane.
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It's picked up on radar.It's real.
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Can you imagine
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the steps they had to go throughto sell that story
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to the editors about UFOs?
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Tough sell.
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[Kean]I don't think most peoplerealize what's involved
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in putting togethera story like this.
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[Greenewald]This wasone of the most exciting things
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that had come outin a long time.
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The entire basisof all of my research
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up until that point
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was proving
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did have an interest in UFOs.
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And this man,
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and what he did,was that smoking gun.
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[Luis Elizondo]For nearly the last decade,
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I ran a sensitive aerospacethreat identification program
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focusing on unidentifiedaerial technologies.
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It was in this positionI learned
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that the phenomena...
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is, indeed, real.
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I was shown three videos
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that had comefrom the Department of Defense
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and also the documentsthat showed
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that the videos were legitimate.
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[Knapp]I've never said thisbefore in public,
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but this report,
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the executive summaryof the Tic Tac incident,
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started at the Navy.
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There wasan initial investigation
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after the incident itselfback in 2004.
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The commanderof that carrier strike force,
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that carrier group,didn't want to delay
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going to the Persian Gulf,so whatever information
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was gathered back thengot tossed into a drawer
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and closed,and it was gonna be forgotten.
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And then a couple years later,some people in the Navy
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renewed the investigation.
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It bounced around
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inside the Pentagonand the intelligence community
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and then ended up at AATIP.
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tense, dramatic music
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[Day]I've been gravely concerned
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about what happened for...
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I guess 15 years ago this week,2004.
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And when it first happened,I was
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trying to tell people, you know?
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My chain of commandand, uh, others.
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But no one seemedto really believe me,
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and it really, really bugged me.
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And it started manifestingin nightmares.
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[clears throat] I didn't knowwhat the hell to do, you know?
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I wasn't really preparedfor that day.
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Our command on USSPrinceton.
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We werethe air defense commander
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for theNimitzstrike group.
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Anything that flies,
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as soon as I gain it on radar,I'm actively trying
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to figure out what it is.Is it high and fast?
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Is it low and slow?Is it on a commercial air route?
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We put all these little piecesof the puzzle together
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to come upwith an identification.
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In, uh, 2004, we wereoff the coast of California
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doing a standard training cycle,
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and I noticedthese really strange tracks
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off the coast of Catalina.
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Those things were upat 28,000 feet.
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They were kind ofin a loose group,
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and they were alltracking down 100 knots,
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28,000 feet towards the southreally, really slow.
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Usually, something that highgoing that slow
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is gonna fall out of the sky.
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You can't create enough liftto stay airborne,
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so I-I knewthey were something anomalous.
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I was up in the CIC,in combat information center,
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and I was scanninga position on watch
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calledantiair warfare coordinator,
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AAWC.
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And that position is the-the guythat actually presses the button
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to shoot a missileif you have to.
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You know what, allof our systems are automated,
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but they're not automatic,
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so it's a person like myself
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that has to takeall the pieces of information
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and actually use my brain
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and tell everyone elsewhat the identification is.
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Man, I'm telling you, it'sprobably the only air contacts
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that I've ever detectedand tracked on SPY radar
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that I was never ableto identify.
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And I still want to makethat identification.
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That's why I'm here today.
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[elevator whirring]
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I think it's difficultfor some of the guys,
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but I've never had a problemtalking about it.
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I can only tell you what I know.
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Ironically,I didn't even see any of that.
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I didn't seeThe New York Times.
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I didn't know anything about it.
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And then out of the blue,I get a message
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from Kevin
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telling methat one of our shipmates
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has come outto talk about the event.
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He-he didn't even have to saywhat event. I already knew.
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Like, theeventevent?
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I kind of went numb, like...
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People are actually gonnabelieve us now.
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I wason the USSPrincetonCG-59.
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It's a guided missile cruiser.
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I was a computer technician,so I handled all the mainframes,
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data recording.
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All the systems run
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off of my system.
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We were seeing flying objects,
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uh, that we were trackingon the radar,
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which is whywe call them "tracks."
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And they were...
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They were just flying due southat 100 knots,
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on and off for seven days.
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They'd just appear, disappear.
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After the third day,I got an idea
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that it might be close enoughto just barely see it
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throughthese big, huge binoculars
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attached to the side of theship. They're called Big Eyes.
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It was basically just a doton the horizon
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at the right bearingand the right altitude.
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And I was just waitingto see if it moved
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or did anything,and sure enough, it did.
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At a certain point,it moved over to the side,
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and then just gone.
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[Day]I became concerned.
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So, Cap comes down to combat.I say, "Hey, sir,
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you know,we've been tracking these things
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for a few days now,
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and I strongly recommendthat we get an aircraft
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to launch and intercept it."
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[clears throat]
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And none of us were preparedfor what happened
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when that....when that happened.
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[Ralph Blumenthal]This was notthe usualNew York Timesstory.
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All along, the UFO debate
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has been whether these thingsare real or not real.
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In other words, are theya figment of the imagination?
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Are theysome psychological phenomenon
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that has no physical reality?
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And what was most interestingin the reporting
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that Leslie and I and Helene didforThe New York Times
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was that the mosthighly trained observers
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that exist, Navy pilots...
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The government spends millionsof dollars training them.
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[chuckles]They are not mentally deficient.
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They're testedfor psychological aberrations.
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These people are trustedwith the most powerful weapons
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in our arsenal.
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They've seen themwith their eyes.
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[David Fravor]Both airplanes see
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a disturbance in the water
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and a white, 40-foot-longTic Tac-shaped object.
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The controller starts talkingto us. He says,
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"Hey, sir.We've seen these objects.
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We need you to go investigate.We want to know what these are."
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They got to a pointwhere they say,
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"Hey, merge plot."
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[Day]He getsinto the merge plot position,
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which is basically two objects
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in the same vertical pieceof sky.
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A two-dimensional displaynow looks like one object.
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[Fravor]As we're looking around,
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we look to the right,
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and we see white water.
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What we see is this whiteTic-Tac-looking object
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just above the surfaceof the water
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pointing north-south,
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and it's going north,south, east, west.
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It's just erratically moving
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forward, back, left, right,at will.
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I go, "Dude, do you see that?What is that thing?"
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We're looking downat this thing,
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and I said,"I'm gonna go check it out."
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So I start driving around,
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just in a nice, easy descent.
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As I'm coming down,
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the Tic Tac starts coming up.
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I'm like, "Well,this is getting interesting."
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[Day]All of a sudden, wehear on the radio, "Oh, my God!
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Oh, my God!I'm engaged! I'm engaged!"
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And whatever that object was,
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the thingseemed to recognize him,
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and it actually gotin a dogfight with him.
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[Voorhis]The targetstarted moving left and right
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at very jagged angles,
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and then it would disappear
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off the screen,come back onto the screen.
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[Fravor]It's kind of startingto cross my nose,
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and it starts to accelerate.
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And within less than a second,
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it crosses right in front of me.Just goes "poof," and it's gone.
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[Day]I can tell youthe reaction on the ship
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was total befuddlement.
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Total be...
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But we didn't knowwhat to think.
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What flies like that?Nothing I'd ever seen.
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Not even close.
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After that happened, I was...My mind changed a little bit.
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I decided,"Yeah, these are probably...
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UFOsthat I'd always heard about."
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Uni-Unidentified flying objects.
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slow, intriguing music
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I went up to a machinethat's called the RD-390,
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and it records allof our external communications
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onto an optical disk.
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Just in casesomething like this happens,
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an investigator can go back,
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play it back and figure outwhat the hell happened, right?
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Well, I went back up to combat.
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And all the comms were gone.
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And I could tell by lookingat the lead technician--
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I'm not gonna saywhat his name is,
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'cause I'm hopinghe'll still come out--
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I could tell by looking at himthat he knew what had happened,
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but he couldn't tell me.
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The whole thingkind of got swept
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under the carpet pretty quickly
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by the strike group commander
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and even by my own captain,
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which kind of pissed me off,actually.
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We were completely defenselessagainst these things.
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[Voorhis]All that data gets reported
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down in our computer room
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on optical disks.
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Helicopter landed.
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Two people got out.
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Then, 20 minutes later,I was asked
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to get all the tapes.
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Get them all.Everything in the computer room
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that would have hadanything on it.
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And so I had to bringall the tapes down there,
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and those guys were in there.
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dramatic, intriguing music
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They had civilian clothes.
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You know, no men in black
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or any weird things like that,
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but nondescriptcivilian clothes that...
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Just like me and youare wearing now.
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All of those disks were taken.
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Uh, that was givento my chain of command
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and then given to somebodythat brought them offship.
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[Knapp]This is allsupposed to keep secret.
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None of this materialwas being made public.
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The problem that's been
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since the beginning is,"This is my information,
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and you can't have it."
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And the people who have itconsider it to be theirs
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and don't want to share.
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Not with the Air Force,not with the Navy,
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not with the CIA. It's theirs.
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And, uh,it's sort of for the purpose
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of plausible deniability.
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If they didn't want it out,they wouldn't have released it.
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It took a number of years,
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but somebody in the Navymade it possible.
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[Blumenthal]Well,after the December 2017 story,
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which was a bombshell,
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we continued working on it.
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Took us a year and a half
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to come upwith a-a good follow-up.
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And the other storywe came up with
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was that in 2015,
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theRoosevelthad encountersbetween Navy pilots
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and UFOs, which, incidentally,Helene, our other partner,
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she was actually embeddedon theTheodore Roosevelt
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00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:08,947
for a storyon its mission in the Gulf.
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00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:15,036
[Kean]The incidencesat theRoosevelt...
527
00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:17,372
There were lots of sightings
528
00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:20,709
of these very strangekind of smallish objects
529
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:22,544
of different types,
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00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,797
and a lot of themwere picked up on radar.
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00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:37,934
They were different.They weren't, like,
532
00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:39,936
these Tic Tacsthat were buzzing around.
533
00:24:39,978 --> 00:24:43,815
But they could pick them upjust for long periods of time.
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00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:50,030
[pilot]Well, if there's--
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00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:55,619
[Kean]We had
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00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:57,454
two pilotsthat went on the record.
537
00:24:57,496 --> 00:24:59,748
We spoke to five others
538
00:24:59,789 --> 00:25:02,000
who would not put their nameson the record.
539
00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:05,170
Again, they're all afraidto talk about it publicly,
540
00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:06,671
and it was
541
00:25:06,713 --> 00:25:09,174
very difficult to even get twoto talk to us.
542
00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:11,968
The Navy says it still doesn'tknow what the objects are,
543
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:13,803
and officialsaren't speculating.
544
00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:16,473
A Navy spokesmansimply confirming to CNN
545
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:18,350
the objects seenin the various clips
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00:25:18,391 --> 00:25:21,019
are unidentifiedaerial phenomena,
547
00:25:21,061 --> 00:25:22,687
or UAPs.
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00:25:22,729 --> 00:25:25,273
The conversationhas finally moved, folks,
549
00:25:25,315 --> 00:25:26,775
from the fringe.
550
00:25:26,816 --> 00:25:29,361
So, congratulations.You succeeded.
551
00:25:29,402 --> 00:25:32,280
For some folks,the-the article that came out
552
00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:33,615
inThe New York Times
553
00:25:33,657 --> 00:25:35,367
is the very first time
554
00:25:35,408 --> 00:25:38,787
they've ever actuallyeven considered this topic.
555
00:25:38,828 --> 00:25:40,539
slow, dramatic music
556
00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:42,207
[Knapp]After theNew YorkTimesstory comes out,
557
00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:45,335
we start producing storiesabout AATIP,
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00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:48,213
the programthat Lue Elizondo worked for.
559
00:25:48,255 --> 00:25:51,007
I traveled to Washingtonto meet with Senator Reid.
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00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:53,718
It was likea secret agent thing.
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00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,887
I changed hotels,I changed cabs.
562
00:25:57,305 --> 00:26:01,601
Because I knew that Senator Reidwas very sensitive.
563
00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:02,686
I was just tryingto be cautious.
564
00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:04,813
[Reid]George and I have
565
00:26:04,854 --> 00:26:07,190
been interested in thisfor a long time.
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00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:09,651
And, for decades,we've shared information.
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00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:11,027
[Knapp]He was gonna help me understand
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00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:12,696
the bigger picture on this.
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00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:15,490
So, had the meetingwith Senator Reid.
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00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:18,159
And, you know, I hada general idea about AATIP.
571
00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:21,037
I didn't know that therehad been another program,
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00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:22,747
that it had started outas something else,
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00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:24,040
that it had been AAWSAP.
574
00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:25,750
And I was shown the contract
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00:26:25,792 --> 00:26:27,586
for the creation of AAWSAP,
576
00:26:27,627 --> 00:26:31,590
the Advanced Aerospace WeaponSystems Application Program.
577
00:26:31,631 --> 00:26:34,801
That was the name of the programthat was created by the DIA,
578
00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:37,470
the Defense Intelligence Agency.
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00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:39,889
[Reid]It was dark money, black money.
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00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:42,100
Even members of Congressdon't know it's there.
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00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:45,186
Because there would have beensuch criticism.
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00:26:45,228 --> 00:26:48,398
"Why are they studyingflying saucers?"
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00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,026
We wanted to make surethat it was put out to bid,
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00:26:51,067 --> 00:26:52,110
and it was.
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00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:54,362
[Knapp]They let out a contract.
586
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:57,032
BAASS is the companythat got contract.
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00:26:57,073 --> 00:27:00,827
$22 million dollarsis given to BAASS,
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00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:02,579
Bigelow AdvancedAerospace Systems,
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00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,539
an organization createdby this guy,
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00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:05,790
Robert Bigelow.
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00:27:07,083 --> 00:27:09,669
I've seen so many crazy storiesabout him.
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00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:11,004
funky, upbeat music
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00:27:11,046 --> 00:27:12,964
[newswoman]Meet Robert Bigelow,
594
00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:15,258
a real estate developerwho made his fortune building...
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00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,801
[newswoman 2]Bigelow Aerospace is going
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00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:18,428
to expandits current operation...
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[newsman]An acronymfor Bigelow Expandable
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00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:21,931
Activity Module.
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00:27:21,973 --> 00:27:23,058
[newswoman 3]Those are the big dreams
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00:27:23,099 --> 00:27:24,559
one local business owner has.
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00:27:24,601 --> 00:27:25,977
[Knapp]Robert Bigelow
602
00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:27,771
is a billionaireLas Vegas businessman.
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00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:32,108
At one point, he had more hotelrooms than the MGM Grand here.
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00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:34,110
-Everybody knew Bob.-[newswoman 4]He's more at home
605
00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:37,280
on the Vegas Stripthan at America's space agency.
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00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:40,033
[Reid]Bob Bigelow isa very conservative Republican,
607
00:27:40,075 --> 00:27:42,369
so, on political issues,we didn't agree on much.
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00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:46,289
But he was a self-mademulti-multimillionaire.
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00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:47,499
He spent
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00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:49,876
a number of years of his life
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00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:51,961
being inquisitiveof what this is all about,
612
00:27:52,003 --> 00:27:54,506
and he has the money to playaround with it a little bit.
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00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:58,802
[Lara Logan]Do you believethat UFOs have come to Earth?
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00:27:58,843 --> 00:28:00,637
There has been and isan existing presence,
615
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,347
uh, an ET presence.
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00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:04,557
And I spent millions andmillions-- I probably spent more
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00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,018
as an individual than anybodyelse in the United States
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00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:09,020
has ever spent on this subject.
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[Kean]Robert Bigelow has beena really important figure
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00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,192
for years and years on UFOs.
621
00:28:14,234 --> 00:28:15,985
He develops
622
00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,988
technologyfor traveling into space.
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00:28:19,989 --> 00:28:21,449
[Greenewald]You have these guys
624
00:28:21,491 --> 00:28:23,034
like Branson and Musk
625
00:28:23,076 --> 00:28:26,037
trying to tap intothis commercialization
626
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,039
of space traveland space exploration.
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00:28:28,081 --> 00:28:30,041
It's a very small list of names.
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00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:32,919
You can count Robert Bigelowup there as well.
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00:28:32,961 --> 00:28:35,672
[Logan]NASA has partneredwith Robert Bigelow,
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00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:39,801
who's an unconventional figurein the aerospace world.
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00:28:39,843 --> 00:28:42,429
He's obsessed with aliensand UFOs.
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00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:45,432
[Blumenthal]We did reportin our 2017 article
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00:28:45,473 --> 00:28:47,600
Bigelow sayingthat he believed in aliens,
634
00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:49,477
that, I mean,he-he believes that.
635
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,062
Do you believe in aliens?
636
00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:53,815
I'm absolutely convinced.That's all there is to it.
637
00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:56,776
We felt it was only fairto give his full context.
638
00:28:56,818 --> 00:28:58,069
Because, if we hadn't,someone would say,
639
00:28:58,111 --> 00:28:59,779
"Oh, yeah,Bigelow believes in aliens.
640
00:28:59,821 --> 00:29:00,697
You didn't mention that."
641
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:02,240
So we-we said, "Yes,
642
00:29:02,282 --> 00:29:04,159
he's made statementsin the past."
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00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,286
[Logan]You don't worrythat some people will say,
644
00:29:06,327 --> 00:29:08,538
"Did you hear that guy?He sounds like he's crazy"?
645
00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:10,290
-I don't care.-Why not?
646
00:29:10,331 --> 00:29:12,083
It's not gonna makea difference.
647
00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:15,211
It's not gonna changethe reality of what I know.
648
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,005
[Knapp]I know the guy.
649
00:29:17,046 --> 00:29:19,007
And I know about BAASS.
650
00:29:19,048 --> 00:29:20,675
I mean, Bob Bigelow announced it
651
00:29:20,717 --> 00:29:22,093
on my radio show.
652
00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:24,012
[Bigelow]The mission for this company
653
00:29:24,053 --> 00:29:28,266
is to pursue exotic,novel technologies.
654
00:29:28,308 --> 00:29:30,727
As you know, George, there'sprobably nothing more difficult
655
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,313
that you could tacklethan this kind of a problem.
656
00:29:33,354 --> 00:29:35,106
low, eerie music
657
00:29:40,069 --> 00:29:42,864
[Greenewald]Bigelow hasa very interesting history
658
00:29:42,906 --> 00:29:44,532
that predates the AATIP story.
659
00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:47,535
[Knapp]A number of years before BAASS,
660
00:29:47,577 --> 00:29:50,371
he made up his ownUFO organization called NIDS,
661
00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:53,291
the National Institutefor Discovery Science.
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00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:54,501
1995,
663
00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:56,461
he puts this together
664
00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:57,921
and brings a number
665
00:29:57,962 --> 00:30:00,965
of really distinguishedacademics,
666
00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:03,468
couple of guyswho had worked for the CIA.
667
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:05,428
There were two astronauts.
668
00:30:06,554 --> 00:30:08,890
A colonelwho had done his own attempts
669
00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:11,643
to get to the bottomof the UFO mystery
670
00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:13,269
from inside the Pentagon.
671
00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:16,523
[Greenewald]NIDS aimed to investigate
672
00:30:16,564 --> 00:30:17,816
claims of the paranormal,
673
00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:20,777
not only UFOsbut some other things.
674
00:30:21,945 --> 00:30:25,532
[Knapp]1995,Bigelow puts NIDS together.
675
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:26,616
Spoke to that first meeting
676
00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:28,034
in 1996,
677
00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:29,869
made a presentation.
678
00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:31,496
And my jaw is dropping at--
679
00:30:31,538 --> 00:30:33,873
looking around the roomat who these people were.
680
00:30:35,708 --> 00:30:38,253
That's when Skinwalker Ranchenters the picture.
681
00:30:38,294 --> 00:30:40,255
rhythmic, hypnotic music
682
00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:52,350
[Reid]A lot of the stuffon Skinwalker Ranch
683
00:30:52,392 --> 00:30:53,977
is very, very, um,
684
00:30:54,018 --> 00:30:55,478
difficult to understand.
685
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,522
You know, there have been thingsreported up there
686
00:30:57,564 --> 00:30:59,023
for generations.
687
00:31:02,735 --> 00:31:03,695
[insects trilling]
688
00:31:03,736 --> 00:31:05,530
soft, eerie music
689
00:31:10,451 --> 00:31:12,871
[Greenewald]We knowthat Robert Bigelow wanted to
690
00:31:12,912 --> 00:31:14,831
investigate Skinwalker Ranch.
691
00:31:16,082 --> 00:31:19,335
That ranch is a 480-acre ranch
692
00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:21,921
that's locatedin Northeastern Utah
693
00:31:21,963 --> 00:31:26,092
in an area knownas the Uintah Basin.
694
00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:28,386
For decades now,
695
00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:30,388
there are stories after stories
696
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:34,267
about all of this paranormalactivity happening on the ranch
697
00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:35,268
and around it.
698
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:37,228
pulsing, dramatic music
699
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:42,901
In fact, some of the legenddates back
700
00:31:42,942 --> 00:31:46,029
more than 15 generationsinto Native American lore.
701
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:49,032
And they talkabout a shapeshifting witch
702
00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:50,909
known as the skinwalker.
703
00:31:52,368 --> 00:31:54,913
The Native Americans,they wanted to avoid
704
00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:58,875
that area altogether because ofwhat they were seeing in the sky
705
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,084
and on the ground.
706
00:32:01,127 --> 00:32:03,087
[Knapp]In the mid-1990s, uh,
707
00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:04,756
a family moveinto the property.
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00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,718
[Bigelow]I spent quite a bit oftime talking to Terry Sherman.
709
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,219
And he was the owner.
710
00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:12,138
He and his wife and two childrenlived there.
711
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:13,723
They operated the ranch,
712
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:16,893
and they had a phenomenal
713
00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:18,937
diversity of encounters.
714
00:32:18,978 --> 00:32:20,647
[Knapp]Really strange stuff.
715
00:32:20,688 --> 00:32:21,940
Off the charts strange.
716
00:32:21,981 --> 00:32:23,942
Balls of light.
717
00:32:23,983 --> 00:32:26,778
[man]There's no flashes to it.
718
00:32:26,819 --> 00:32:28,488
It's just a solid light.
719
00:32:28,529 --> 00:32:30,615
[woman]It won't make any sound either.
720
00:32:30,657 --> 00:32:31,658
The ground would shake.
721
00:32:31,699 --> 00:32:34,327
[rumbling]
722
00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:35,620
They would hear
723
00:32:35,662 --> 00:32:37,997
these disembodied voicesspeaking in languages
724
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,958
they didn't understand.
725
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:42,460
It's like a haunted house
726
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:43,795
with UFOs.
727
00:32:43,836 --> 00:32:46,756
booming, mysterious music
728
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:49,300
haunting, eerie music
729
00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:50,635
And thenthe animal mutilations start.
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00:32:55,264 --> 00:32:57,475
The rancher, I think,at first felt
731
00:32:57,517 --> 00:33:00,144
that somebody was tryingto drive him off the property.
732
00:33:00,186 --> 00:33:01,771
There was an articlein a newspaper.
733
00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,482
A local newspaperhad done a story about it.
734
00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:06,401
'Cause the rancher'strying to figure out
735
00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:08,987
what the heck is going on.
736
00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:13,992
By the timethat Bigelow hears about it,
737
00:33:14,033 --> 00:33:15,159
they were scared.
738
00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:16,619
They were so messed up.
739
00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:18,538
They had been throughpsychological hell.
740
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:22,166
They wanted out,so Bigelow went up,
741
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:23,668
met with the family
742
00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:27,005
and Bigelow offersto buy the property.
743
00:33:27,046 --> 00:33:28,840
[Bigelow]Terry and I made a deal,
744
00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:30,800
providing he would stay on.
745
00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:32,218
Because I need somebody there,
746
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:34,470
in addition to...he had backyard...
747
00:33:34,512 --> 00:33:37,348
literally backyard knowledge.
748
00:33:40,601 --> 00:33:45,023
There was an episode with-withthe ranch manager after Terry.
749
00:33:45,064 --> 00:33:48,609
I hired some other folks,some-some wonderful people.
750
00:33:48,651 --> 00:33:50,695
low, dramatic music
751
00:33:53,239 --> 00:33:54,699
[John Alexander]I was
752
00:33:54,741 --> 00:33:58,036
32 years with the militaryin various forms.
753
00:33:58,077 --> 00:34:02,623
Spent most of the time inspecial operations intelligence.
754
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:08,713
I got to higher and higherlevels in the government.
755
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,386
I had met a number of peoplewho were interested in UFOs.
756
00:34:18,097 --> 00:34:23,227
The opportunity came alongfor Bob to buy the ranch.
757
00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:25,063
I was with him
758
00:34:25,104 --> 00:34:26,522
the day he bought it,
759
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:29,609
and I was first one to spenda night up there.
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00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:33,488
[Knapp]John Alexander'sa counterintelligence guy.
761
00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:37,075
He's, like,an actual "man in black" guy.
762
00:34:37,992 --> 00:34:39,660
He's interested in these topics
763
00:34:39,702 --> 00:34:42,371
and just wants to get to thebottom of it, like we all do.
764
00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:45,458
[Alexander]We set up NIDS,
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00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,503
the National Institutefor Discovery Science,
766
00:34:48,544 --> 00:34:52,507
and started, uh, exploring it.
767
00:34:52,548 --> 00:34:54,133
Cameras 24/7
768
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,094
and looking out at the events
769
00:34:56,135 --> 00:34:57,261
at the ranch.
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00:34:57,303 --> 00:34:59,555
rhythmic, eerie music
771
00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:08,106
Just amazing phenomenawould absolutely occur
772
00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:11,275
and... totally beyondexplanation.
773
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,865
Frequently, things
774
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:19,534
would happen just off camera,
775
00:35:19,575 --> 00:35:21,077
as if it knew where it was.
776
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,371
[birds chirping]
777
00:35:24,247 --> 00:35:25,790
Other things happened
778
00:35:25,832 --> 00:35:29,127
that should have been on camerathat weren't.
779
00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:32,755
Very strange place.
780
00:35:35,174 --> 00:35:37,552
soft, hypnotic music
781
00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:41,848
[Chris Marx]I'm not a UFO guy.
782
00:35:41,889 --> 00:35:45,434
I'm not a, you know--a huge paranormal guy.
783
00:35:45,476 --> 00:35:47,353
I had just
784
00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:50,565
returned from a two-year tourin Iraq.
785
00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:54,485
So I didn't really know muchabout any of that.
786
00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:59,407
I got my first marching orders
787
00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:02,660
to go to Skinwalker Ranch.
788
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,497
We were primed that we would be
789
00:36:06,539 --> 00:36:09,250
some sort of a paranormalinvestigative team
790
00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,752
and document these events
791
00:36:11,794 --> 00:36:14,755
that seemed to be taking placeon the ranch.
792
00:36:15,548 --> 00:36:18,342
We were advised to document
793
00:36:18,384 --> 00:36:21,846
anythingthat was out of the ordinary,
794
00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:23,681
anything that seemed...
795
00:36:23,723 --> 00:36:25,433
anomalous.
796
00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:27,977
I went out a lot by myself,
797
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:30,855
taking a lot of pictures.
798
00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:34,400
[camera shutter clicking]
799
00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:36,235
[Marx]I knew the ranch,
800
00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,237
in those six years,probably better
801
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:39,739
than anybody else, from
802
00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:41,115
every cave there is,
803
00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:43,492
to the valleys,to the river area.
804
00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:45,661
slow, suspenseful music
805
00:36:48,414 --> 00:36:50,708
[Marx]There was constantly a feeling
806
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:53,211
of being watched.
807
00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:59,508
Almost like a presenceof something you couldn't see.
808
00:37:00,384 --> 00:37:02,470
[Alexander]The phenomena,
809
00:37:02,511 --> 00:37:06,057
whatever "it" was--absolutely in control.
810
00:37:06,098 --> 00:37:09,435
It seemed to know how
811
00:37:09,477 --> 00:37:11,520
we were going to respond
812
00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:13,231
before events occurred.
813
00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:15,399
[Marx]It started slow,
814
00:37:15,441 --> 00:37:17,526
by somebody just bangingon the door,
815
00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:19,737
or opening the door,
816
00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:22,531
and then you would go out,and there's nobody there.
817
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:25,701
Or somebody, it sounded like,had a stick
818
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:27,578
and wentaround the metal skirting
819
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,580
of the headquarters, 360.
820
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,582
When you go out,there's nothing.
821
00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:35,002
But the crowning event was,it was about 10:30 at night,
822
00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:36,963
and I was writing a report.
823
00:37:37,004 --> 00:37:38,589
[birds chirping]
824
00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:41,509
And I hear the front doorbeing thrown open.
825
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:45,221
-[door opens]-You can clearly hear
826
00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:47,223
-somebody behind me.-[footsteps]
827
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:51,477
You can not only hear it, butyou could also feel the ground
828
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,105
move. You could feelthe vibration of the ground.
829
00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:57,233
And whatever thing that was
830
00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,402
walked through the entire house,
831
00:37:59,443 --> 00:38:01,779
-opened the back door...-[door opens]
832
00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:04,991
...and then, you could hear himwalk down the stairs.
833
00:38:05,032 --> 00:38:06,742
[footsteps]
834
00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:09,036
You could see the stairsindividually move.
835
00:38:09,078 --> 00:38:10,955
I stopped,
836
00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:14,333
at some point,trying to find a smoking gun.
837
00:38:15,584 --> 00:38:18,838
I just wanted to documentas well as I could.
838
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,465
[Knapp]Skinwalker Ranch--
839
00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:24,218
poltergeist activity,weird creatures--
840
00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:25,970
all in one area.
841
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:28,431
[Greenewald]We know about Robert Bigelow
842
00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:30,975
and his connectionto Skinwalker Ranch.
843
00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:32,893
And he just happensto be the guy
844
00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:35,313
who was awarded the contractfor AAWSAP,
845
00:38:35,354 --> 00:38:38,691
which turned into somekind of UFO research program.
846
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:40,985
slow, suspenseful music
847
00:38:41,027 --> 00:38:44,113
[Knapp]In July of 2007,
848
00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:46,407
a guy in Washington,
849
00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:47,867
at the DIA-- he's a physicist,
850
00:38:47,908 --> 00:38:49,827
a rocket scientist--writes a letter
851
00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:53,164
to Robert Bigelow, and he says,uh, "Hey, I'm so-and-so.
852
00:38:53,205 --> 00:38:54,915
I work for the DefenseIntelligence Agency.
853
00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:57,043
I've heardabout the Skinwalker Ranch.
854
00:38:57,084 --> 00:38:59,503
I'd like to visit the propertyand see it for myself."
855
00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:01,797
Writes this letter to Bigelow,Bigelow gets it.
856
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:03,507
He calls Harry Reid.
857
00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:05,593
dramatic, suspenseful music
858
00:39:05,634 --> 00:39:07,345
[Reid]One day, Bigelow called me.
859
00:39:07,386 --> 00:39:09,180
He said,"I got the damndest letter.
860
00:39:09,221 --> 00:39:10,890
I want you to see it."
861
00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,517
And so, I read the letter,and I said,
862
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,519
"Now this is somethingI think is interesting.
863
00:39:15,561 --> 00:39:17,813
It came from a reliable source."
864
00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:20,399
I said, "I don't know the man,never heard of him."
865
00:39:20,441 --> 00:39:23,861
But I said, uh,"I will contact him."
866
00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:25,821
After meeting with himseveral times,
867
00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:27,531
I called Bigelow, and I said,
868
00:39:27,573 --> 00:39:29,200
"I think you shouldgive this guy permission
869
00:39:29,241 --> 00:39:30,951
to go to your Skinwalker Ranch."
870
00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:34,288
[Knapp]Bigelow invites the guy out.
871
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,624
They fly togetherto the ranch.
872
00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:39,001
They're there for maybe hour,hour and a half.
873
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:42,296
Within ten, 15 minutesof being on the property,
874
00:39:42,338 --> 00:39:43,923
this guy has an experience,
875
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:47,259
and it seems to have beentailor-made for him.
876
00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:50,054
Something appears in this room,
877
00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:53,474
and it's somethingthat only he can see.
878
00:39:53,516 --> 00:39:55,476
suspenseful, eerie music
879
00:39:57,395 --> 00:39:58,646
He goes back to Washington.
880
00:39:58,687 --> 00:40:00,773
He meets with Reid again,
881
00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:03,067
tells him about it,Reid arranges
882
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:05,861
a meeting in a SCIFunder the Capitol,
883
00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:07,696
a secure facility.
884
00:40:07,738 --> 00:40:10,408
And the scientist meetswith Reid
885
00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:12,410
and Daniel Inouyeand Ted Stevens,
886
00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:14,036
and they talk about,
887
00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:16,539
should we put somemoney together and study this?
888
00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:18,541
[Reid]In short, this is one
889
00:40:18,582 --> 00:40:20,251
of the easiest sellsI ever had to make
890
00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:23,879
because Ted Stevensimmediately said, "Good.
891
00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,090
When I wasin the Army Air Corps,
892
00:40:26,132 --> 00:40:30,428
I went up one time,and there was a vehicle
893
00:40:30,469 --> 00:40:32,096
off to my left.
894
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:33,764
I would go up and down."
895
00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:36,225
And did everythinghe could to shake that object,
896
00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:38,602
and he couldn't.
897
00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:40,938
And he asked some peopleon the ground,
898
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,106
"What was that?"
899
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:43,732
And they said,"We didn't see anything."
900
00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:47,069
So he said,"I'm in favor of this."
901
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:50,614
So that's where we gotthe $22 million dollars.
902
00:40:50,656 --> 00:40:52,575
[Knapp]Stevens said, "Yes,"
903
00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:54,118
Inouye said, "Yes,"
904
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,370
Reid says, "Yes,"and it was a done deal.
905
00:40:56,412 --> 00:40:59,874
Signed it in September of 2008,and they were off to the races.
906
00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:02,293
fast-paced electronic music
907
00:41:02,334 --> 00:41:06,172
Bigelow recruits scientists,private investigators,
908
00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,673
former cop and military folks,
909
00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:12,178
and then, they startinvestigating cases.
910
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:13,762
Boots on the ground,interview the witnesses,
911
00:41:13,804 --> 00:41:15,598
collect physical evidence,
912
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:16,807
put it together in reports.
913
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:18,851
[Kean]And he hired out
914
00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:21,645
a whole lot of scientistsand experts to work
915
00:41:21,687 --> 00:41:23,772
on various aspectsof this issue,
916
00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:25,649
and papers were writtenby them.
917
00:41:25,691 --> 00:41:30,154
[Knapp]38 papers to look at aerospace
918
00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:32,323
and scientificbreakthrough technologies
919
00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:33,866
50 years in advance.
920
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:38,829
Can we duplicatewhat we've seen UFOs do?
921
00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:42,541
Can we, in 50 years,create a plane that's invisible?
922
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:45,503
Can we go through a wormhole?
923
00:41:46,795 --> 00:41:49,006
They put togethera gigantic pile of information,
924
00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:52,218
99% of whichthe public has not seen.
925
00:41:53,219 --> 00:41:55,137
So, I-I released a coupleof 'em.
926
00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:58,516
"Detection and High ResolutionTracking Vehicles
927
00:41:58,557 --> 00:42:00,643
at Hypersonic Velocities."
928
00:42:00,684 --> 00:42:03,562
This is by Dr. Bill Culbrethat UNLV.
929
00:42:04,396 --> 00:42:07,024
2009, that was pie in the sky.
930
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:08,692
That's far off in the future.
931
00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:10,569
Now, we knowin the last couple of months,
932
00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:14,031
Putin has boasted they've gothypersonic missiles that cannot
933
00:42:14,073 --> 00:42:15,741
be stopped.
934
00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:18,202
Bill Culbreth writes the paper11 years ago
935
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,746
that says, "Here's whatour capabilities are.
936
00:42:20,788 --> 00:42:22,248
We need to get started on this."
937
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:26,335
There's no UFOthat's mentioned in that report.
938
00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:29,547
But it is talking about objectsthat travel really fast,
939
00:42:29,588 --> 00:42:31,382
and how do we track 'em.
940
00:42:31,423 --> 00:42:33,926
You can see how that could beapplied to the study of UFOs.
941
00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:35,427
fast-paced electronic music
942
00:42:43,602 --> 00:42:45,896
[seabirds calling]
943
00:42:47,273 --> 00:42:49,316
slow, eeriesynthesizer music
944
00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:55,573
[Day]A part of me's still on watch.
945
00:42:56,073 --> 00:43:00,411
I was a TOPGUN graduate,senior air controller,
946
00:43:00,452 --> 00:43:03,122
had 18 years sea time.
947
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:07,918
This encounterprofoundly affected me.
948
00:43:09,461 --> 00:43:12,089
I went through some reallyhard times because of it.
949
00:43:12,131 --> 00:43:13,924
I had changed.
950
00:43:13,966 --> 00:43:17,636
It changed me, and everyonearound me noticed it.
951
00:43:18,804 --> 00:43:20,556
I started having nightmares, um,
952
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:22,224
of the eschatological type,
953
00:43:22,266 --> 00:43:24,393
like end-of-the-worldtype nightmares,
954
00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:25,936
um, out of the blue.
955
00:43:25,978 --> 00:43:27,605
I didn't knowwhat was causing it,
956
00:43:27,646 --> 00:43:29,607
but it startedto affect my work,
957
00:43:29,648 --> 00:43:31,066
it startedto affect my marriage.
958
00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:33,944
I ended up losingeverything I had.
959
00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:36,447
Your worldview is shattered,
960
00:43:36,488 --> 00:43:39,450
and I thought maybeI was even going crazy.
961
00:43:45,831 --> 00:43:47,666
I'd actually returnedback to my hometown
962
00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:49,460
back in Cave Junction, Oregon,
963
00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:51,879
and I was volunteeringat the local golf course,
964
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,964
working in the kitchen.
965
00:43:54,006 --> 00:43:58,302
It was December 17, 2017.
966
00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:00,095
CNN was on TV.
967
00:44:00,137 --> 00:44:01,805
[Brian Todd]He saw the object,
968
00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:03,265
waves breaking over it,and says
969
00:44:03,307 --> 00:44:05,726
he saw somethinghovering above it.
970
00:44:05,768 --> 00:44:08,979
[Day]Story comes on--the Tic Tac video.
971
00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:10,814
[Fravor]It looks likea 40-foot long Tic Tac
972
00:44:10,856 --> 00:44:12,983
with no wings.
973
00:44:13,025 --> 00:44:15,819
Some of this was gonna behard for me.
974
00:44:15,861 --> 00:44:18,072
[clears throat]
975
00:44:20,449 --> 00:44:23,160
That moment rocked me.
976
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:28,332
They showed the same videothat I had in 2004.
977
00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:32,044
I knew in that moment.I knew in that moment that
978
00:44:32,086 --> 00:44:35,673
I had to talk,I had to speak up.
979
00:44:37,549 --> 00:44:39,426
If you think about it,
980
00:44:39,468 --> 00:44:41,261
since 2004, up to the present,
981
00:44:41,303 --> 00:44:43,472
the number of cases reportedby Navy pilots
982
00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:48,185
and radar operators has...has definitely increased. Why?
983
00:44:50,854 --> 00:44:52,940
[Day]No, not at all. I'm not angry
984
00:44:52,981 --> 00:44:54,942
With my government,I don't hate my government.
985
00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:56,193
I support my government.
986
00:44:57,069 --> 00:44:58,696
I don't hold anyone responsible
987
00:44:58,737 --> 00:45:00,698
for what happenedto me personally.
988
00:45:00,739 --> 00:45:04,034
I don't have those feelings.Instead,
989
00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:07,121
what I do feel is, I want tofigure out what this thing is.
990
00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:10,207
And I thinkthey want to be found.
991
00:45:11,667 --> 00:45:13,836
And we're gonna go find 'em.
992
00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:16,797
slow, mysterious music
993
00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:19,133
[Reid]I am totally in favor
994
00:45:19,174 --> 00:45:23,387
of doing all the explorationwe can on the world
995
00:45:23,429 --> 00:45:24,930
beyond our world.
996
00:45:25,764 --> 00:45:27,641
We must remain curious.
997
00:45:27,683 --> 00:45:31,103
Intellectually, we needto do everything we can
998
00:45:31,145 --> 00:45:33,230
to try to figure things out.
999
00:45:35,315 --> 00:45:37,192
I know
1000
00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:39,361
that people,when I got started in this,
1001
00:45:39,403 --> 00:45:42,990
thought that I was goingin an area I shouldn't have.
1002
00:45:43,031 --> 00:45:45,117
"What the hell'she doing on this?"
1003
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:48,245
But as time has gone on,even my wife,
1004
00:45:48,287 --> 00:45:51,457
who wondered whyI was so involved in
1005
00:45:51,498 --> 00:45:55,002
unidentified flying objects,said to me a few months ago,
1006
00:45:55,043 --> 00:45:57,755
"You're not looking so bad now."
1007
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:02,843
I am confident,
1008
00:46:02,885 --> 00:46:06,764
and I am cautiously optimistic
1009
00:46:06,805 --> 00:46:09,349
that in the next year,
1010
00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:11,018
we are gonna havea fundamentally
1011
00:46:11,059 --> 00:46:14,104
different conversationthan we're having today.
1012
00:46:14,146 --> 00:46:16,607
I think there's gonna beadditional fidelity,
1013
00:46:16,648 --> 00:46:20,944
uh, to-to a lot of the thingsthat have come out recently
1014
00:46:20,986 --> 00:46:24,072
that are-are...are gonna help us, um,
1015
00:46:24,114 --> 00:46:25,908
have a better understandingof what it is
1016
00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,910
-we're actually seeing here.-[applause]
1017
00:46:27,951 --> 00:46:29,870
[Greenewald]Throughout the decades,
1018
00:46:29,912 --> 00:46:32,206
when it comesto the field of ufology,
1019
00:46:32,247 --> 00:46:36,293
you see people at the top, whichare considered the leaders.
1020
00:46:38,003 --> 00:46:39,922
Based on theNew York Timesarticle,
1021
00:46:39,963 --> 00:46:42,966
Luis Elizondo is oneof those people.
1022
00:46:43,008 --> 00:46:44,843
The day it was released,
1023
00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:48,013
I had filed multiple Freedomof Information Act requests
1024
00:46:48,055 --> 00:46:50,641
to try and get moreinformation from the Pentagon,
1025
00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:52,142
from the Department of Defense.
1026
00:46:52,184 --> 00:46:54,061
pulsing, dramatic music
1027
00:46:54,102 --> 00:46:56,522
The Pentagon gave mea "no records" response
1028
00:46:56,563 --> 00:46:58,607
to my original request.
1029
00:46:59,107 --> 00:47:01,527
Now what's really strangeabout that is,
1030
00:47:01,568 --> 00:47:03,070
I gave them Mr. Elizondo's name.
1031
00:47:03,111 --> 00:47:06,114
And he said,"Nope, we got nothing."
1032
00:47:06,156 --> 00:47:09,493
So I started drilling down,looking into
1033
00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:10,744
Mr. Elizondo's background.
1034
00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:14,832
[camera shutter clicking]
1035
00:47:14,873 --> 00:47:16,834
He didn't have any background.
1036
00:47:16,875 --> 00:47:18,961
There werevery little things known
1037
00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:21,004
about Mr. Elizondo as a person.
1038
00:47:22,005 --> 00:47:25,133
Who was he?What was he really doing?
1039
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:26,844
Why is the Pentagon saying,
1040
00:47:26,885 --> 00:47:29,304
"That is notwhat this program was.
1041
00:47:29,346 --> 00:47:32,015
There was no UFO aspect to it"?
1042
00:47:32,057 --> 00:47:35,269
And then, all of a sudden,they said,
1043
00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:37,771
"Mr. Elizondo hadno assigned responsibilities
1044
00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:39,606
on the AATIP program."
1045
00:47:39,648 --> 00:47:43,318
The guy that you've beenseeing on the news,
1046
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and nearly every publicationon the planet
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that we call Earth,he did not lead that program.
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What do you do with that?
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Who do you believeat that point?
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pulsing, dramatic music
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