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Hey, everyone. Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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After a wildly successful
30-year stint on the Vegas strip
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with their iconic
brand of magic --
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making elephants, lions,
and tigers disappear
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into thin air --
master illusionists
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Siegfried and Roy's
world-renowned performances
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came to an abrupt end.
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Montecore, one of their
famous white tigers,
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grabbed Roy Horn by the neck
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and dragged him off-stage
in front of the live audience.
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From that moment on,
Siegfried and Roy
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consistently
presented one version
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of what happened that night.
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But some people are questioning
the magicians' story.
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Tonight, we will hear
from eye-witnesses,
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investigative journalists,
big-cat experts,
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about the shocking
tiger attack onstage
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at the MGM Mirage
October 3, 2003.
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Here's how it really happened.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Jillette: I was always
terrified by their act.
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We would go see the
Siegfried and Roy show.
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Those animals in that close
a proximity to humans --
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terrifying.
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Terrifying.
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They were kings of
the Las Vegas Strip.
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They werethe
of Las Vegas.
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Siegfried and Roy were really
spectacular at what they did.
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[ Woman laughs ]
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They were sort of bigger
than life in so many ways.
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I mean, I think everyone knew
that they had a show
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that had white tigers
and white lions,
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and that made them unique.
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We started with a breeding
program about 10 years ago.
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Then, today, we can proudly say
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we have 27 white tigers
and five snow white tigers.
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[ Cubs mewing ]
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Animals that don't exist
in the wild.
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I mean, weird hybrids,
you know?
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Crazy white tigers,
white lions.
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I mean, white,
white, white, white,
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[Laughs] in every way.
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Salmoni: Every night,
they've got humongous,
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full-grown lions
and tigers onstage,
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with a live audience,
with no barrier between,
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and you cannot prepare for all
of the worst-case scenarios.
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Smith: They were entertainers.
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They were flamboyant.
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They were real hams
with the audience,
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and the audience
really ate that up.
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They just -- They loved it.
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They're kind of analogous
to the rolling stones --
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you know, big spectacle
and big bombast and big
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"Look at me onstage."
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Tapert: They would always,
at the end, have this tag line
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about following your dreams,
and it was very emotional.
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It was very empowering.
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You could see why people
would come there.
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They were like
magical evangelists.
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Since opening at Mirage
in 1990,
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they have sold out at a rate
of 104% capacity for every show.
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That's at $90 a seat.
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For eight straight years,
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they've drawn
15,000 people a week,
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700,000 a year --
have been seen
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by over 30 million people
live in Las Vegas.
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Their gross receipts
over the last nine years --
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more than a half-billion
dollars.
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How do you -- How do you
explain it to yourselves?
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It's unexplainable,
really.
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I mean, that sounds
wonderful.
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I feel we are only as good
as our last show.
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Burns: They made the animals
in the show look really scary
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and have that element
of fear kind of built in.
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Then they're taunting them --
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making them, you know,
reach out of the cage
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and try to get
the performers.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Bennett: It's sort of like
Broadway on steroids
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with tigers and lions,
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and that made it spectacular.
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Roy was doing stuff that I found
tremendously dangerous,
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and he was making it
look like it wasn't.
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That's what attracts me,
is that eventual --
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is that danger.
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We have underlying danger
all the time.
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But if you understand
and if you start learning it,
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you don't need any of that.
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You can make him do whatever
you want him to do,
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but then there
are characteristics
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where you can
never change --
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You want them
to be tigers.
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I want them to be tigers.
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[ Tiger growling ]
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De Laurentiis: Those lions
and tigers were big. [ Laughs ]
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I mean, they weren't
little babies.
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They were big guys.
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And they were so beautiful.
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You know, being that close
without being behind a wall
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was really amazing.
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The physical size of them --
how Siegfried and Roy
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treated the lions
or treated the tigers
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and, you know, what they
made them do very easily.
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I never felt that things weren't
completely under control
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and that there was
a mutual respect
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between the animals and him.
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Now, is that naive
on my part?
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[ Tiger growls ]
Probably.
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Do you have any fear
of your animals, Siegfried?
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-No, I--
-You have to have respect.
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I have respect.
That's all.
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But they're used to it,
you know?
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-Not worried that anything --
-Well, you can do no mistakes.
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You know, you can make
no mistakes.
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Have you been hurt?
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So far, so good. No.
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Burns: And it was all
very controlled.
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Like, you could tell that
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the performers knew
what they were doing.
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You could tell the animals
had done this before,
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and everyone had a good handle
on what was going on.
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Until the bite.
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Until the accident happened.
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And then it was like
everything blew up.
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[ Siren wailing ]
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Moss: We're hearing
over the two-way
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that he was in extremely
critical condition.
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We were the first
live truck there.
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Mic on.
Five, four, three, two, one.
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People were kind of frantic.
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Everybody was trying
to get the story.
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Tonight, a lot more on the story
of the Vegas superstar
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mauled by one
of his beloved tigers.
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Our other top story
takes us to Las Vegas,
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where entertainer
Roy Horn of Siegfried & Roy
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was badly mauled.
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It's at the MGM Mirage.
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King: Hundreds of people
watch in horror.
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Roy is in critical condition.
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He fights for his life tonight.
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Jillette: When we found out
that Roy had been hurt,
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I was very upset, and part
of what I was upset about was,
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I was not entirely surprised.
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Roy Horn might be dead.
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"No, that's not possible."
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It almost didn't sink in.
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Burns: October 3, 2003.
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We went to the
Siegfried & Roy show.
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After the first
half of the show,
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they put the curtains down,
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and the lights came up
a little bit.
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And Roy walks out with the tiger
to the front of the stage,
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closer to where we were sitting,
and he said,
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"This is my friend Montecore.
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It's his first night
performing."
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This is Montecore, and tonight
is his first appearance
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in front of an audience.
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[ Gasps ]
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The audience, you know --
"Oh, his first time."
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You know, they kind of get a
little chill when he says that.
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Which of course,
we found out later,
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he was there for maybe --
what, six years?
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Montecore was special to Roy.
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He'd raised him from birth.
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This was a tiger that was
really close to Roy's heart.
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I'll never forget --
he had a collar on
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and a little leash
about this big,
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and it just --
that was the first thing I said.
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"Wow, he's got this little,
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tiny leash
on this big, monster animal."
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When you have a white tiger
walking on a leash this long
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and you're only 140 pounds
and 60 years old,
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that's just as good
as untethered.
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There is nothing Roy Horn
could have done
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if that tiger decided he wanted
to jump out into the crowd.
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De Laurentiis: He walks out and
he gets about three-quarters
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of the way down the runway.
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Montecore, I guess, was supposed
to turn around and come back,
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and he wouldn't move.
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And his chain -- tugged on
the leash a little more,
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and Montecore looked
at him funny.
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But all of the sudden,
he grabbed his arm.
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[ Sirens wailing ]
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The tiger kind of turned
its head and bit him on the arm.
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He could have taken Roy's
arm off without blinking,
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but he looked like he was just
kind of holding on to it,
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and Roy didn't like that at all.
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Roy started taking
the microphone --
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just started whamping
the tiger on the head.
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At that point,
the tiger swatted at Roy.
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You know, there was
a little bit of commotion
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between him and the tiger.
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They're both down
on the ground and he's --
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and he's still holding him,
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and he's still hitting
the tiger on the head.
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Boom -- you could hear it
all over the audience.
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Boom!
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And in a blink,
his legs went like --
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two or three times like that.
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It was so fast, you couldn't
even see how fast
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he jumped up and grabbed him.
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Man: We just see him get --
He got attacked.
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He was holding on to the tiger,
and the tiger just,
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like, grabbed his leg,
knocked him down.
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We thought it was part
of the show.
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Then we just noticed him
pounding with his microphone
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on the tiger, like, so hard.
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Before you knew
what happened -- boom.
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Right up into his neck
and shoulder area --
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right here -- and just dragged
him offstage really quickly.
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It was really scary.
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De Laurentiis: When Montecore
grabbed him by the neck,
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his feet went like this,
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and -- boom --
he was, like, hanging.
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And Montecore just slowly --
boom, boom.
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Just like he maybe was walking
through the jungle or something.
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Just walked right past us.
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Man: The tiger just grabs him.
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Like, just locks on him,
picks him up,
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and just takes him
back of the stage.
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Roy was completely limp.
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He wasn't struggling
or screaming.
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You didn't see any blood
on his shirt.
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You didn't see anything
on the stage.
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De Laurentiis:
Someone had opened the curtain,
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and Montecore just calmly,
with Roy in his mouth,
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walked behind the curtain.
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When he went by, the look
on his face was a dead person.
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Burns:: When Montecore carried
Roy offstage,
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a couple stagehands or handlers
ran from the opposite stage side
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and were chasing after him.
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And I do remember seeing
some things on the stage,
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and I think it was meat
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to try to entice
the tiger back another way.
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I don't think Montecore
was following the meat.
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He was just on a mission
[Chuckles] to go somewhere.
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He had him by the neck.
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He could have just bit
his head off.
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And he could have jumped in
the audience, for that matter,
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but I don't think anybody
thought about that part of it.
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Maybe a minute or two later,
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I think they hit him
with a fire extinguisher,
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and that's when Montecore
let Roy go.
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And then, the sound...
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of him moaning was
the scariest part,
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'cause you could tell that
he was hurt behind the curtain.
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It was like a moan of death,
somebody dying.
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You don't want to hear that
in your life either.
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Burns: And finally, someone said
over the loudspeaker,
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"The show is over.
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This is how you get your money
back for your tickets.
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Sorry. Have a good night."
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♪♪
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Moss: We moved our
live shot to UMC,
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which is our biggest ER center.
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Take a look behind me.
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Family and friends
are already out here.
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People were already out there.
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We could see Siegfried,
through the emergency doors,
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pacing back and forth.
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They came out several times
to update us.
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The injury was to the left side
of his neck.
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They treated him
for massive blood loss.
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He was admitted immediately
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and went into surgery
almost immediately.
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It's certainly a somber scene
out here in Vegas.
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We're told the surgery
went well.
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The Mirage says all their shows
will be cancelled
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until further notice,
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and that tiger
is being quarantined.
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It was traumatic because
nobody knew
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what the ultimate
conclusion was gonna be.
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Was he gonna make it?
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There were already dozens --
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and within another hour,
hundreds of people outside
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holding a candlelight vigil
just spontaneously.
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No one had organized it.
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It was just fans
that were worried.
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That was how big they were
in the Las Vegas community.
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We saw Penn outside.
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He's hard to miss --
very tall man.
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Obviously distraught
over the situation,
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and it was
a very emotional sight
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to see that many people holding
candles outside a hospital.
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I arrived over at the hospital,
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and Bernie Yuman,
their manager --
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he said that he felt emotionally
unable to speak to the press,
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and Siegfried was unable
to speak to the press.
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Bernie asked if I would go down
and speak to the TV cameras.
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It's really not good.
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I mean, I'm sure there's hope.
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I mean, when I talked
to Siegfried last night,
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he said, you know,
it was going to be okay.
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You have no idea
what that means.
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It means a friend that
he's loved dearly
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and worked with
for 28 years is --
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his heart's still beating,
and there's still hope.
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The latest I've heard is,
you know, critical but stable,
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and he is reacting to doctors.
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Moss: It took at least 48 hours
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before we got any specifics
on the surgeries.
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We found out that there was a
craniectomy that was performed.
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It's not every day that you hear
about surgery that sounds
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almost like something, you know,
out of science fiction.
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They took off part of his skull
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so his brain swelling could
increase and then decrease.
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And while it was off,
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they put the part of the skull
into his abdomen so --
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to keep it viable until
they were able to replace it
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and put it back,
you know --
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back as part of his skull
so that he could heal.
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We had also heard from a doctor
that, at one point,
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they thought
they had lost Roy.
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[ Sirens wailing ]
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King: Tonight --
exclusive --
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master illusionist
Siegfried Fischbacher
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and Siegfried & Roy's
longtime manager, Bernie Yuman.
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What's the latest, Siegfried,
on Roy's condition?
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Well, I just left Roy
two hours ago.
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He responded excellent.
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The doctors say it's magic,
what's happening,
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and I'm very grateful.
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It's only four days ago.
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What is his condition?
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His condition is stable.
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He's critical, and I don't
think there's any way
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that you can really
give a long-term prognosis.
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Was there ever a time,
Siegfried,
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you thought you lost him?
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Yes and no.
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Really not, because
I know Roy, you know?
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And I always say -- [Laughs]
for all these years,
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I always say I'm the magician,
and he's the magic.
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Moss: The concentration,
of course, in the news was,
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"Is this man going to survive?"
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And when we knew that it was
a matter of rehabilitation,
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we had started to hear that,
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possibly, the tiger was trying
to help Roy off the stage
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because he was
acting differently.
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[ Applause ]
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What happened that night?
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Where were you?
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I was onstage.
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We go our show through, like --
like clockwork.
351
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Was -- something was just --
maybe a little confusion.
352
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Something wrong.
Did you sense --
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Not wrong --
wrong at that time.
354
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What did you --
What did you see?
355
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I just saw the --
the tiger,
356
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and it grabbed him
on the sleeve like this,
357
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and -- and Roy said,
"Let go."
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And the tiger let go, and Roy
went back and he slipped.
359
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He tripped.
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Oh, he fell.
He fell.
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Do you think he was
trying to help him?
362
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That's exactly what I think.
That was the way.
363
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Roy fall,
and he want protect.
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So, he took Roy and put him
backstage behind the curtain --
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To protect him.
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To protect him, and then he
let Roy go and went back.
367
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Montecore was helping
save his friend --
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to take him to safety.
369
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That's -- This is
not an attack.
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This was not a mauling.
371
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This was Montecore taking
his friend to safety.
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It was the very beginning
of how they spun the story --
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how they created the myth.
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The story wasn't that this was
maybe a failure of training
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or a momentary slip.
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The story was that
this wild tiger
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was actively trying to help
the person he was attacking.
378
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Goldman: Steve Wynn,
the billionaire casino owner,
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gives this bizarre interview...
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For whatever reason, Montecore
was fascinated by a woman
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with a big hairdo
at ringside.
382
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...where he claims this woman
with, like, a big beehive hairdo
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[Laughing] had distracted
Montecore.
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And I'll never forget
listening to this,
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thinking to myself, "What?"
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And on -- down on all four,
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puts his face over 4 inches
from the woman and looks at her.
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Man: Mm.
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The woman thinks this
is part of the show
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and thinks, "How adorable."
391
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Montecore's head is
26 inches wide.
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Roy is talking
and sees this move,
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and he sees the woman
reach up to --
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to give Montecore a rub
under the chin.
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That's way wrong
all the way around.
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He -- As usual,
the heroic fellow that he is,
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he jumps in between
the woman and the tiger.
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And I'm thinking to myself,
"What ridiculous theories
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are they trying to push out
into the public?"
400
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People were actually buying it.
401
00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:28,276
But this is utter
and complete nonsense,
402
00:18:28,316 --> 00:18:29,426
and somehow, you know,
403
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it started taking on
a life of its own.
404
00:18:32,133 --> 00:18:34,003
And there I was,
having to, like,
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00:18:34,033 --> 00:18:36,323
write it in the copy
that Steve Wynn --
406
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who wasn't there,
had no first-hand knowledge --
407
00:18:39,333 --> 00:18:41,283
thinks that a woman
with a beehive haircut
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had somehow distracted
the tiger, and --
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00:18:43,266 --> 00:18:47,176
and that caused the tiger
to lose focus or something.
410
00:18:49,183 --> 00:18:51,453
Now he wants to shock the cat
into paying attention,
411
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and he whacks him with the
microphone, which is rubber.
412
00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:57,003
Didn't hurt him,
but it made a loud noise.
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The cat lets go on command.
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Roy falls backwards,
415
00:19:01,466 --> 00:19:07,146
pulling over the paw
of Montecore on his back.
416
00:19:07,183 --> 00:19:09,373
There's four guys
jumping on this cat,
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00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,270
trying to get the cat
to behave.
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00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,330
Montecore gets confused.
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00:19:14,366 --> 00:19:16,046
"What's going on?"
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00:19:16,083 --> 00:19:19,373
Montecore gets up,
cool as a cucumber, leans over,
421
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and picks up Roy like a cub
on the right side of his neck.
422
00:19:24,466 --> 00:19:27,116
Not a bite, not an attack.
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He picks him up.
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The night of the event,
when we were
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spending time with --
with their manager, Bernie,
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and waiting to do our --
427
00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:44,320
our next interview, he told us
a lot about Siegfried and Roy
428
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and how they lived
with the tigers
429
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and how they slept in bed
with the tigers
430
00:19:49,083 --> 00:19:52,203
and how they had
the tigers kind of as --
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as pets like we'd have dogs.
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And they have them
roaming around free
433
00:19:56,283 --> 00:19:58,283
in their house just like pets.
434
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Goldman: You know,
the whole idea is,
435
00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:02,333
"Siegfried and Roy can control
these wild animals!"
436
00:20:02,366 --> 00:20:04,326
And then, one day,
you find out they can't.
437
00:20:04,366 --> 00:20:07,266
I'm here to announce to you
tonight that the Siegfried & Roy
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spectacle at the Mirage
is now closed indefinitely.
439
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Bernie was nervous about
what would happen to Montecore
440
00:20:16,216 --> 00:20:19,376
because, you know, what people
would assume had happened
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00:20:19,416 --> 00:20:23,176
and what he thought really
had happened didn't match.
442
00:20:23,216 --> 00:20:26,046
It was not an attack.
443
00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:28,323
I was standing on the side.
I saw it.
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00:20:28,350 --> 00:20:30,400
It was an accident.
445
00:20:30,433 --> 00:20:33,403
And when the cat dragged Roy
back onstage,
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and Roy said, "Don't harm.
447
00:20:36,266 --> 00:20:38,066
Don't shoot.
448
00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:40,480
Don't harm the cat."
449
00:20:41,016 --> 00:20:42,466
Roy's partner,
Siegfried Fischbacher,
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now claims the mauling
was actually an accident.
451
00:20:46,166 --> 00:20:48,276
That is also the opinion
of Steve Wynn.
452
00:20:48,316 --> 00:20:51,096
He is the legendary
casino developer in Las Vegas
453
00:20:51,133 --> 00:20:53,133
who actually brought
Siegfried & Roy to town
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and remains a close friend
to this day.
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To suggest that a cat
viscously attacked Roy
456
00:20:58,233 --> 00:21:01,333
and tried to maul Roy because
of something that happened
457
00:21:01,366 --> 00:21:02,466
is a ridiculous statement,
458
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,350
if you know anything
about Roy Horn
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00:21:04,383 --> 00:21:09,073
and the 44-year history
of these animals with this man.
460
00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:12,100
-I should make it clear --
-Cats don't attack Roy.
461
00:21:12,133 --> 00:21:15,033
Salmoni: The trap is forgetting
that it's a wild animal
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00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:16,346
with wild-animal instincts.
463
00:21:16,383 --> 00:21:18,053
[ Laughs ]
464
00:21:18,083 --> 00:21:22,033
Just because that tiger
loves me has no bearing
465
00:21:22,066 --> 00:21:24,366
on whether that tiger
is gonna try and kill me.
466
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,120
[ Tiger roars ]
467
00:21:30,116 --> 00:21:31,346
Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
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In the weeks following
the heart-stopping night
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where Montecore,
a 380-pound white tiger,
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00:21:36,366 --> 00:21:38,296
sank his teeth
into Roy Horn's neck
471
00:21:38,333 --> 00:21:40,403
before dragging him offstage,
472
00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:42,483
Siegfried and the
performers's inner circle
473
00:21:43,016 --> 00:21:45,076
distanced themselves
from the word "attack,"
474
00:21:45,116 --> 00:21:48,096
telling everyone that it was
a life-saving act by the tiger,
475
00:21:48,133 --> 00:21:50,383
who was not behaving
as a deadly predator,
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00:21:50,416 --> 00:21:52,096
but as a loving pet.
477
00:21:52,133 --> 00:21:57,303
♪♪
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Roy always knew each animal --
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00:22:00,250 --> 00:22:04,030
who he was, like, what they
liked, what they didn't like.
480
00:22:04,066 --> 00:22:06,466
You could certainly watch
just the friendly
481
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,020
tactile relationship,
the touching.
482
00:22:10,050 --> 00:22:15,300
In the video that they show,
he's even riding the tiger.
483
00:22:15,333 --> 00:22:17,273
Smith: That was how
it was promoted.
484
00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:19,050
These were friends.
485
00:22:19,083 --> 00:22:21,373
These weren't animals
that were wild and could kill
486
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,300
and you had to lock in a cage.
487
00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:26,223
These were pals -- cuddly.
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00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:29,300
Bennett: He clearly
loved his animals,
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00:22:29,333 --> 00:22:32,183
maybe even more
than he loved people.
490
00:22:32,216 --> 00:22:33,246
Tapert: I said, "Come on.
491
00:22:33,283 --> 00:22:36,003
You tell me, Roy,
why you really, really,
492
00:22:36,033 --> 00:22:39,303
really have this
rapport with animals."
493
00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:43,033
And he unspilled his story
for me as a --
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in his childhood,
which was horrific.
495
00:22:48,166 --> 00:22:50,316
Let's get a little history.
You're both from Germany.
496
00:22:50,350 --> 00:22:52,170
How did this
come about, Roy?
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00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,350
How did you two meet?
498
00:22:54,383 --> 00:22:56,403
Well, we met
on an ocean liner.
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00:22:56,433 --> 00:22:58,483
I run away from home
as I was --
500
00:22:59,016 --> 00:23:01,126
he loves it --
as I was a young boy.
501
00:23:01,166 --> 00:23:02,476
Where was home?
And --
502
00:23:03,016 --> 00:23:04,466
North Germany.
Bremerhaven.
503
00:23:07,066 --> 00:23:11,296
Both of their fathers were sent
by Hitler's Army
504
00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:15,453
to fight on the Russian front,
which was brutal,
505
00:23:15,483 --> 00:23:19,003
and they both came back
mentally unwell.
506
00:23:21,016 --> 00:23:26,116
I guess today, we would call it
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
507
00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:30,450
Siegfried really drowned himself
in -- in magic.
508
00:23:30,483 --> 00:23:32,233
Roy had a special
relationship with --
509
00:23:32,266 --> 00:23:34,426
with animals right
from the beginning.
510
00:23:34,466 --> 00:23:38,176
His first big cat was a
cheetah named Chico
511
00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:41,466
taken from a German zoo.
512
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,370
And on the ship,
I met Siegfried.
513
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,020
He did a magic act.
514
00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:49,200
And one day, Roy saw me there --
was also a steward --
515
00:23:49,233 --> 00:23:52,453
and he saw when I pulled
the rabbit out of the hat
516
00:23:52,483 --> 00:23:56,403
and vanished birds and so on --
swallowed razor blades.
517
00:23:56,433 --> 00:23:59,253
And he said, "Well, if you
can do that with a --
518
00:23:59,283 --> 00:24:02,133
a rabbit, could you do that
with a cheetah?"
519
00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:04,296
And I didn't know he had
a pet cheetah.
520
00:24:04,333 --> 00:24:06,173
So that's our little story
in the --
521
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,300
Stop right there.
Yes. [ Laughs ]
522
00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:10,133
What -- What were you doing
with a pet cheetah?
523
00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:11,376
I know.
Most people
don't have that.
524
00:24:11,416 --> 00:24:14,376
It sounds very unlogical,
but it was very logical for me.
525
00:24:14,416 --> 00:24:16,116
I was, as a child --
526
00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:20,130
I was not very good
in communicating with people
527
00:24:20,166 --> 00:24:22,176
because we came from
Germany after the war,
528
00:24:22,216 --> 00:24:26,466
so we didn't had a whole lot,
and I trusted more in my animals
529
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,300
than I trusted
in people, and --
530
00:24:29,333 --> 00:24:30,403
It's still true?
531
00:24:30,433 --> 00:24:32,033
It's still true.
532
00:24:32,066 --> 00:24:34,176
You trust --
More, actually.
Actually more.
533
00:24:34,216 --> 00:24:35,376
It's true.
Animals are my passion.
534
00:24:35,416 --> 00:24:39,476
So -- and magic became
my life.
535
00:24:40,016 --> 00:24:42,026
Tapert: Two guys get there
to Las Vegas
536
00:24:42,066 --> 00:24:44,376
with just a magic act
and an animal.
537
00:24:44,416 --> 00:24:46,146
They saw the writing
on the wall.
538
00:24:46,183 --> 00:24:48,153
They -- They always knew,
539
00:24:48,183 --> 00:24:49,473
"How do we make
ourselves better?
540
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,170
How do we make
ourselves different?"
541
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,200
You have 24 tigers,
eight lions.
542
00:24:54,233 --> 00:24:55,453
They vanish
and they reappear.
543
00:24:55,483 --> 00:24:58,183
So does an Arabian horse
and an elephant.
544
00:24:58,216 --> 00:24:59,216
Right.
545
00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:01,100
You yourselves appear
and disappear, right?
546
00:25:01,133 --> 00:25:03,033
Of course.
When the curtain opens up,
547
00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:06,016
they have to feel like this
is something special.
548
00:25:06,050 --> 00:25:09,170
You weren't just seeing
two guys doing a magic act.
549
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,430
You were watching a production
with dozens of cast members,
550
00:25:12,466 --> 00:25:15,316
with a story line,
with an evil queen,
551
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:18,030
with these amazing
white tigers and lions,
552
00:25:18,066 --> 00:25:22,166
and it became iconic
very, very quickly.
553
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,030
King: "Forbes" magazine
reports Siegfried & Roy
554
00:25:25,066 --> 00:25:28,316
the highest-paid entertainers
in Las Vegas history,
555
00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:30,330
and they have an
estimated net worth
556
00:25:30,366 --> 00:25:32,366
of more than $100 million.
557
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,280
This is a very lucrative
business entity.
558
00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:38,066
At the end of the day,
Siegfried and Roy
559
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:40,050
made millions of dollars
for the Las Vegas Strip,
560
00:25:40,083 --> 00:25:42,133
and part of their show --
the large part --
561
00:25:42,166 --> 00:25:45,196
were these big cats.
[ Tiger growls ]
562
00:25:45,233 --> 00:25:47,173
I've actually been
to their home,
563
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,220
at jungle palace in Las Vegas,
564
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:52,100
and seen the lions
and tigers there.
565
00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:55,273
They were almost like
house pets in a way,
566
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,430
and I think that
that carried over to the show.
567
00:25:58,466 --> 00:26:02,446
There was just a --
a real love there.
568
00:26:02,483 --> 00:26:04,223
When they are conceived,
I am there,
569
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:05,400
when I meditate with them
570
00:26:05,433 --> 00:26:08,073
and I heard the little ones's
first time kicking,
571
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,020
and when they are born,
I'm there.
572
00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:12,350
When they open their eyes,
I'm the first one they see.
573
00:26:12,383 --> 00:26:15,423
When they are listening,
I'm the first voice they hear.
574
00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:17,170
[ Cub mews ]
575
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,000
He hated the word "trainer"
because it reeked of the circus.
576
00:26:21,033 --> 00:26:24,223
A trainer -- a lion trainer,
a lion tamer --
577
00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:27,380
he hated any connotation
to that.
578
00:26:27,416 --> 00:26:29,096
I shudder to think
what would happen
579
00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:31,223
if I had used that word --
or tamer.
580
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:35,470
You know, he would have probably
thrown me out right on my rear.
581
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Bennett: Siegfried focused
on the magic part,
582
00:26:38,033 --> 00:26:39,353
not so much on the animals.
583
00:26:39,383 --> 00:26:43,153
That wasn't his thing,
but very much was Roy's.
584
00:26:43,183 --> 00:26:46,173
Fischbacher: He has a
different way with the animals.
585
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,050
His lifestyle --
He's completely into it,
586
00:26:49,083 --> 00:26:52,283
but for me, it was always the
spiritual thinking of it, and --
587
00:26:52,316 --> 00:26:54,176
King: He's more attached
to the animals than you.
588
00:26:54,216 --> 00:26:55,246
Oh, yeah.
589
00:26:55,283 --> 00:26:57,333
For me, it --
it was always a challenge.
590
00:26:57,366 --> 00:27:01,096
But now, I am also attached
to it very much, of course,
591
00:27:01,133 --> 00:27:04,373
and they teached me
the idea that --
592
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,280
I think they made
a better person out of me.
593
00:27:08,316 --> 00:27:13,066
They were the bread and butter
of their business operation.
594
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:15,370
Jillette: I think the animals
were bonding with him,
595
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,320
and he really did have
a relationship with them
596
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:20,130
in a very real way.
597
00:27:20,166 --> 00:27:24,316
And that having been said,
it-- it's also crazy dangerous.
598
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:28,200
[ Indistinct chatter,
tiger growling ]
599
00:27:28,233 --> 00:27:30,333
Friess:
All over the Mirage hotel,
600
00:27:30,366 --> 00:27:35,326
there were videos playing
ad nauseam on little TVs.
601
00:27:35,366 --> 00:27:43,296
The entire image of this show
rested on the idea that,
602
00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:47,473
yes, these are predators,
but they have been tamed.
603
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,380
They're just choosing
not to attack people
604
00:27:51,416 --> 00:27:55,416
because they're so well-loved
by these odd showmen
605
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:59,000
who want you to see
what they can do with them.
606
00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,323
Bennett: I don't want to say
there was a cover-up.
607
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:05,020
That makes it sound
very sinister.
608
00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:08,120
But there was certainly
an effort to make sure
609
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:13,330
that what happened to Roy Horn
was kept within the family.
610
00:28:20,283 --> 00:28:23,023
Goldman: I can't put my
finger on that exact timing
611
00:28:23,050 --> 00:28:25,100
when this theory
started to emerge --
612
00:28:25,133 --> 00:28:29,253
that the tiger, in fact,
was trying to help Roy Horn,
613
00:28:29,283 --> 00:28:32,323
who was having a stroke.
614
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:34,220
I remember watching this
interview they did --
615
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:36,470
this exclusive
with Maria Shriver.
616
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,450
Fischbacher:
It's bitter and it's sweet.
617
00:28:39,483 --> 00:28:44,233
Now I know life is a gift.
618
00:28:44,266 --> 00:28:45,466
There you go.
619
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,080
Look at you!
That's great!
620
00:28:48,116 --> 00:28:49,396
Alright!
You're doing it!
621
00:28:49,433 --> 00:28:52,173
If I wouldn't see it with my own
eyes, I wouldn't believe it.
622
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Hallelujah.
Hallelujah, yes!
623
00:28:54,116 --> 00:28:56,216
Left.
You're doing it, Roy!
624
00:28:59,050 --> 00:29:03,470
Goldman:
And, basically, she allows them
to walk through this narrative
625
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,280
which perpetuates this idea
that Montecore was,
626
00:29:06,316 --> 00:29:08,416
like, trying to save his life.
627
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,280
I have
high blood pressure.
628
00:29:17,316 --> 00:29:19,246
It was the stroke.
629
00:29:19,283 --> 00:29:21,453
So you believe you had
a stroke. You fell --
630
00:29:21,483 --> 00:29:23,303
Yes, correct.
Absolutely.
631
00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:26,153
I saw exactly
what happened.
632
00:29:26,183 --> 00:29:31,033
Roy tumbled, and Montecore,
right away --
633
00:29:31,066 --> 00:29:35,076
he realized and I realize
he is in trouble.
634
00:29:35,116 --> 00:29:38,296
He needs some help, and he went
out, and that's what we did.
635
00:29:38,333 --> 00:29:40,253
You believe that
Montecore realized
636
00:29:40,283 --> 00:29:42,003
you were in trouble...
Yes.
637
00:29:42,033 --> 00:29:45,423
...and just picked you up
and took you offstage for help.
638
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:48,070
Yeah, that's how
wonderful they are.
639
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,350
The story came that --
that Roy had suffered a stroke
640
00:29:51,383 --> 00:29:56,123
that made him fall onstage
and have Montecore drag him off.
641
00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:59,220
That was gonna be the spin,
if you will.
642
00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:01,420
What we didn't know at the time
was whether that was true,
643
00:30:01,450 --> 00:30:06,050
and to be fair,
it seems believable in a way.
644
00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:08,273
If you knew Roy, if you knew
how much he cared
645
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:10,400
for his animals
and vice versa,
646
00:30:10,433 --> 00:30:12,353
it almost --
for a second or two,
647
00:30:12,383 --> 00:30:15,283
it's the story
you wanted to believe.
648
00:30:15,316 --> 00:30:18,316
Goldman:
Did Montecore get Emergency
Medical Technician training?
649
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,220
Montecore is an EMT?
650
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:24,230
We wanted to think that there
was a protective moment
651
00:30:24,266 --> 00:30:27,046
with Montecore seeing his owner,
652
00:30:27,083 --> 00:30:30,103
his dad, his caretaker
in trouble
653
00:30:30,133 --> 00:30:33,033
and, therefore,
help him in some way.
654
00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:35,226
Even to Nancy O'Dell
and "Entertainment Tonight,"
655
00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:37,126
they went so far as to say
that the tiger
656
00:30:37,166 --> 00:30:39,226
was relieving
some sort of pressure
657
00:30:39,266 --> 00:30:41,396
because Roy was having
a medical incident.
658
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,270
You're saying
the doctor is saying
659
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,170
that had Montecore
not relieved the pressure,
660
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,380
you would not have lived?
661
00:30:59,366 --> 00:31:02,126
Goldman: Who taught the tiger
how to staunch blood?
662
00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:04,466
Oh, and by the way, the tiger's
the one who did it.
663
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,200
It doesn't --
It doesn't make any --
664
00:31:06,233 --> 00:31:08,453
It's comp-- It doesn't
make any sense.
665
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,400
Siegfried said this to me
personally --
666
00:31:11,433 --> 00:31:14,153
that they believe
that the tiger sensed
667
00:31:14,183 --> 00:31:17,423
that Roy had high blood pressure
and was biting his neck
668
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:20,320
to alleviate
the high blood pressure.
669
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:26,220
Now, I have hypertension,
and no doctor's ever suggested
670
00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:29,050
me being bit in the neck
by a tiger to help me,
671
00:31:29,083 --> 00:31:31,273
and they've also never
suggested bloodletting.
672
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:34,200
I mean, it doesn't seem like
high blood pressure
673
00:31:34,233 --> 00:31:35,483
is too much blood.
674
00:31:36,016 --> 00:31:37,276
But how would a tiger
know that?
675
00:31:37,316 --> 00:31:43,476
This massive animal was, in some
way, trying to save Roy Horn?
676
00:31:44,016 --> 00:31:46,426
This predator that is
programmed,
677
00:31:46,466 --> 00:31:50,266
in its own DNA,
to eat warm flesh?
678
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:53,220
Somehow, this tiger, Montecore,
679
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:57,020
had been trained
to suppress its instincts?
680
00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:59,230
[ Growls ]
681
00:31:59,266 --> 00:32:01,316
[ Roars ]
682
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:05,320
Vegas kind of closed in
on itself to protect its own.
683
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:08,220
Moss: You hear things
from different reporters --
684
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:11,370
that maybe someone might have
been behind the scenes
685
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,170
telling people to call it
an attack,
686
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,430
or call it an accident --
those two terms.
687
00:32:16,466 --> 00:32:18,416
"Use this one instead
of that one."
688
00:32:18,450 --> 00:32:21,120
Personally, no one
had ever said that to me.
689
00:32:21,150 --> 00:32:25,280
I realize that Roy, I think --
and Siegfried, too --
690
00:32:25,316 --> 00:32:27,326
would take exception to me
using the word "attack".
691
00:32:27,366 --> 00:32:30,296
But I think that's --
that's the way I see it.
692
00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:33,123
I think they would prefer
the word "accident," perhaps.
693
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:35,170
The only thing that was
ever gonna answer
694
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,480
any of these questions
about what happened
695
00:32:37,016 --> 00:32:39,296
that night was the tape,
and was anyone gonna see that?
696
00:32:39,333 --> 00:32:41,433
CNN has learned
the Agriculture Department
697
00:32:41,466 --> 00:32:44,146
is investigating
the Siegfried & Roy show
698
00:32:44,183 --> 00:32:47,153
for possible violations
of the Animal Welfare Act.
699
00:32:47,183 --> 00:32:49,033
There may be more to the attack
700
00:32:49,066 --> 00:32:52,096
than what was played out
before a horrified audience.
701
00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:55,033
Goldman:
The United States Department
of Agriculture basically
702
00:32:55,066 --> 00:32:58,266
has an enforcement arm
that deals with exotic animals,
703
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,430
and they provide the
license for people
704
00:33:00,466 --> 00:33:03,476
who have these exotic exhibits
with these animals.
705
00:33:04,016 --> 00:33:07,276
I was a Senior Investigator
with USDA,
706
00:33:07,316 --> 00:33:12,146
and I got called to investigate
the attack with Roy Horn.
707
00:33:12,183 --> 00:33:14,333
The U.S. Agriculture Department
is investigating.
708
00:33:14,366 --> 00:33:16,026
That's normal
in this kind of case.
709
00:33:16,066 --> 00:33:18,076
They had four inspections
in the last three years.
710
00:33:18,116 --> 00:33:20,266
No problems were
ever cited, right?
711
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:23,200
Stage set-up was
inspected.
712
00:33:23,233 --> 00:33:27,283
Years ago, one of the inspectors
wrote up "no barrier,"
713
00:33:27,316 --> 00:33:29,116
and nothing ever happened.
714
00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:32,020
I was concerned that one
of the tigers or lions
715
00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:34,270
could jump down in the crowd,
716
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,320
but at the time, it was
never even called up to --
717
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:40,200
for us to investigate
the violation.
718
00:33:40,233 --> 00:33:44,453
And the collar that was
around Montecore's neck
719
00:33:44,483 --> 00:33:46,323
looked like a dog collar,
720
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:49,280
and it's hard to control
a dog sometime.
721
00:33:49,316 --> 00:33:53,366
I'm sure it'd be hard
to control a large tiger.
722
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,370
I think with no one doing
anything about this,
723
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,480
they were playing
with people's lives,
724
00:34:00,016 --> 00:34:04,246
and if you don't have a problem
right now, why worry about it?
725
00:34:04,283 --> 00:34:06,253
Wait till the problem happens.
726
00:34:06,283 --> 00:34:08,383
You've never had a problem
with any authorities,
727
00:34:08,416 --> 00:34:10,016
any questions about it?
728
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:11,450
Never, never, and we've
always cooperated
729
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:13,303
with all of the
regulatory agencies.
730
00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:15,003
And -- And we've been
the example.
731
00:34:15,033 --> 00:34:17,403
Siegfried and Roy are held in --
in that light, you know?
732
00:34:17,433 --> 00:34:19,453
You want to live up
to their standard.
733
00:34:19,483 --> 00:34:22,073
I wonder sometimes about how
differently this story
734
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:26,280
would've played out today,
because among other things,
735
00:34:26,316 --> 00:34:29,066
those 1,500 people
in the audience
736
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,300
all would've had
their cellphones out,
737
00:34:31,333 --> 00:34:35,103
and there would have been
a flood of video on the Internet
738
00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:37,203
showing exactly what happened.
739
00:34:37,233 --> 00:34:40,273
During the investigation,
we had several theories.
740
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:44,450
What caused the tiger
to attack Roy?
741
00:34:44,483 --> 00:34:47,133
I realized that they did film
742
00:34:47,166 --> 00:34:50,326
all of the Siegfried & Roy
performances.
743
00:34:50,366 --> 00:34:53,416
Therefore, they had
videoed the attack.
744
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:56,480
And, remember, the investigators
had a real hard time
745
00:34:57,016 --> 00:34:59,266
getting access
to the official video.
746
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,130
I don't think anyone
was surprised
747
00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:04,276
that the USDA had trouble
getting a copy of the tape.
748
00:35:04,316 --> 00:35:06,026
I certainly wasn't.
749
00:35:06,066 --> 00:35:07,166
It's the Sin City.
750
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,120
It's a town that was
heavily involved
751
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:11,220
in the Mafia and mobsters
for many years.
752
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:15,250
It has a side to it that
doesn't necessarily want
753
00:35:15,283 --> 00:35:17,053
to expose all of its secrets.
754
00:35:17,083 --> 00:35:18,383
Goldman: And I thought,
"You know what?
755
00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:20,246
I'm gonna get the videotape
of this thing."
756
00:35:20,283 --> 00:35:24,053
I'm digging in because now
I'm just annoyed by people who,
757
00:35:24,083 --> 00:35:26,173
you know, just can't appreciate
actually what happened.
758
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,350
For me, getting the video
759
00:35:27,383 --> 00:35:30,433
was the holy grail
of this investigation.
760
00:35:36,366 --> 00:35:39,396
Bennett: I'm not saying
anything criminal occurred,
761
00:35:39,433 --> 00:35:42,253
but I don't think
there was anyone
762
00:35:42,283 --> 00:35:46,323
who was going to volunteer
763
00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:50,220
to reveal anything
that Siegfried and Roy
764
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:53,250
or that their management
didn't want to be revealed.
765
00:35:53,283 --> 00:35:56,253
Neal: I went to Siegfried
and Roy's people --
766
00:35:56,283 --> 00:35:59,283
their production people,
their managers --
767
00:35:59,316 --> 00:36:03,216
and everybody acted like
they didn't have the video.
768
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:06,430
So, me being a little stubborn,
I figured that somebody had it.
769
00:36:06,466 --> 00:36:10,076
So I contacted our attorneys
in Washington
770
00:36:10,116 --> 00:36:13,346
and had subpoenas issued
to Siegfried & Roy,
771
00:36:13,383 --> 00:36:18,323
Feld Productions, Siegfried and
Roy's manager, and the Mirage.
772
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:22,400
I don't think a subpoena
anywhere could shake the bonds
773
00:36:22,433 --> 00:36:25,453
of that culture
and that community.
774
00:36:28,016 --> 00:36:29,426
Goldman: Senator Harry Reid --
775
00:36:29,466 --> 00:36:32,426
he was a long-time
Democratic senator of Nevada,
776
00:36:32,466 --> 00:36:36,426
and these were his constituents
-- Roy Horn and Siegfried.
777
00:36:36,466 --> 00:36:42,246
And he had decided that he was
gonna block efforts from me,
778
00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:44,383
"The Associated Press,"
from getting the video.
779
00:36:44,416 --> 00:36:50,426
"The AP" would go on to report
that Harry Reid sent a letter
780
00:36:50,466 --> 00:36:57,026
to the USDA asking them not
to make this video available.
781
00:36:57,066 --> 00:36:59,996
People would argue, "Ah, it's
a violation of privacy."
782
00:37:00,033 --> 00:37:02,133
But because Steve Wynn
and others had floated
783
00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:04,346
these cockamamie
conspiracy theories,
784
00:37:04,383 --> 00:37:06,473
it was in the public's interest
to see this video
785
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,280
and to see it actually --
what had really happened.
786
00:37:09,316 --> 00:37:12,396
During my career with USDA
as an investigator,
787
00:37:12,433 --> 00:37:16,253
I had never had a senator
or a congressman interfere
788
00:37:16,283 --> 00:37:18,373
in any of my investigations up
789
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,250
until the Siegfried & Roy
investigation,
790
00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:25,023
and as far as my knowledge,
it has never happened again.
791
00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:27,120
So, Harry Reid
was a power player --
792
00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:29,100
very good friends
with Siegfried and Roy --
793
00:37:29,133 --> 00:37:30,383
and he actually issued
a statement
794
00:37:30,416 --> 00:37:35,316
saying that he would protect Roy
on behalf of Roy's privacy.
795
00:37:37,316 --> 00:37:41,316
When the report came out that
Harry Reid had gotten involved,
796
00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:43,420
it was another one
of the moments in the story
797
00:37:43,450 --> 00:37:46,050
where, at first,
you're like, "Really?"
798
00:37:46,083 --> 00:37:48,323
And then you're like,
"Of course."
799
00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:51,300
Because this is Vegas
and this was Nevada.
800
00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:54,453
Everybody's power and money
801
00:37:54,483 --> 00:37:58,153
had propped up each other
over all those years.
802
00:37:58,183 --> 00:38:00,223
It is extraordinary.
803
00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:03,470
A copy of that video
would be embarrassing
804
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,320
because it would show
what really happened.
805
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:08,350
It would be embarrassing
because it would show
806
00:38:08,383 --> 00:38:11,303
Siegfried and Roy
in their worst moment.
807
00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:15,183
Bennett: If it highlights
Montecore in a bad way
808
00:38:15,216 --> 00:38:17,246
or showcases the animal
809
00:38:17,283 --> 00:38:19,333
in a way that makes it look
like a predator
810
00:38:19,366 --> 00:38:21,476
or like it was attacking,
811
00:38:22,016 --> 00:38:24,166
I can't imagine that
that is something
812
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,000
they would ever want
to reveal or show.
813
00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:32,373
There was some compromise
reached, right?
814
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,350
MGM, I think, allowed
815
00:38:34,383 --> 00:38:37,133
the USDA investigators
to look at the video,
816
00:38:37,166 --> 00:38:39,316
but they couldn't
take possession of it.
817
00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:41,370
It was a way to keep
"The Associated Press"
818
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,470
from getting its hands
on this video,
819
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,220
'cause if I had gotten
this video, I would have --
820
00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:47,020
I would have made it public.
821
00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:50,280
We had to make appointments,
and we had to do it behind
822
00:38:50,316 --> 00:38:53,266
closed, locked doors
to observe the video.
823
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:56,100
Friess: One of the things
that I find most odious
824
00:38:56,133 --> 00:39:01,253
about the whole thing is that
by the time the USDA was trying
825
00:39:01,283 --> 00:39:06,003
to do a legitimate investigation
into a serious incident
826
00:39:06,033 --> 00:39:09,373
that could have had
catastrophic consequences
827
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,430
for members of the public --
828
00:39:11,466 --> 00:39:14,316
by that time,
the show was closed.
829
00:39:14,350 --> 00:39:16,330
The marquee was changed.
830
00:39:16,366 --> 00:39:21,996
Nobody was talking about some
big return of Siegfried & Roy.
831
00:39:22,033 --> 00:39:24,183
They were not coming back.
832
00:39:24,216 --> 00:39:29,176
So, what were they protecting
in trying to avoid
833
00:39:29,216 --> 00:39:32,346
the actual story
being made public?
834
00:39:35,116 --> 00:39:37,116
Goldman:
These are alternative facts.
835
00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:40,000
It's a distortion
of what really happened,
836
00:39:40,033 --> 00:39:42,183
and it undermines the truth.
837
00:39:42,216 --> 00:39:43,996
I couldn't begin to understand
838
00:39:44,033 --> 00:39:46,273
why they would continue
to perpetuate this myth.
839
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:49,180
It took 15 years for one
of the animal trainers
840
00:39:49,216 --> 00:39:52,066
there that night to come forward
and sort of break
841
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:55,020
that story line
that Siegfried and Roy
842
00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:56,450
and their team
had been putting out.
843
00:39:56,483 --> 00:40:00,253
Neal:
From seeing Chris Lawrence's
interview on "Inside Edition"...
844
00:40:00,283 --> 00:40:02,283
I won't call them liars.
845
00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:04,016
I'll just tell my truth.
846
00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:06,380
...it appears that his
conclusion is the same
847
00:40:06,416 --> 00:40:10,196
as what we found
during our investigation.
848
00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:13,383
Roy made a crucial mistake, and
there was just no going back.
849
00:40:13,416 --> 00:40:16,376
These animals had done something
very dangerous in the past.
850
00:40:16,416 --> 00:40:18,466
This wasn't a one-off event
that happened.
851
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,380
There were other incidents.
852
00:40:20,416 --> 00:40:23,996
Woman: Roy was holding a leash,
and the leash was let go.
853
00:40:24,033 --> 00:40:25,383
And the next thing they know it,
854
00:40:25,416 --> 00:40:29,276
the tiger had jumped on
my dad's back and bit his neck.
855
00:40:29,316 --> 00:40:34,046
My son was crying and said,
"Mama, am I gonna die?"
856
00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:36,083
It went, "Blaow!"
[ Roars ]
857
00:40:36,116 --> 00:40:38,366
I mean, its face was
just drenched in my blood.
858
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,300
This story could have been
a national news story.
859
00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:44,473
I think Siegfried and Roy
often got a very soft press.
860
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,100
I would like them to tell
the truth -- Siegfried and Roy.
861
00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:51,083
It's not all magical.
862
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:52,296
It's not.
863
00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:55,183
A wild animal is a wild animal.
864
00:40:55,216 --> 00:40:58,446
From what I saw of the video,
in my opinion,
865
00:40:58,483 --> 00:41:01,083
Montecore didn't want
to be there.
866
00:41:01,116 --> 00:41:03,296
Salmoni: Tigers will kill you.
They don't care.
867
00:41:03,333 --> 00:41:05,373
They'll kiss you and then
they'll kill you.
868
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,230
[ Tiger growls, roars ]
869
00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:11,446
We reached out numerous times
to Siegfried and Roy,
870
00:41:11,483 --> 00:41:14,183
their former manager,
Bernie Yuman, Steve Wynn,
871
00:41:14,216 --> 00:41:16,246
Feld Entertainment,
and MGM Resorts.
872
00:41:16,283 --> 00:41:18,023
They all declined to comment.
873
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:22,020
And as for Senator Harry Reid,
he sent us this statement.
874
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:24,200
"The arrangement I made
with the USDA
875
00:41:24,233 --> 00:41:26,403
was that they could look
at the video, but not keep it,
876
00:41:26,433 --> 00:41:28,353
and that's what they did."
877
00:41:28,383 --> 00:41:31,433
In March 2019,
a former employee --
878
00:41:31,466 --> 00:41:33,416
a tiger trainer
named Chris Lawrence --
879
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,030
went public
and challenged their story
880
00:41:36,066 --> 00:41:38,446
that Montecore sensed Roy Horn
was in medical distress
881
00:41:38,483 --> 00:41:40,473
and carried him offstage
for help.
882
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,320
The whistle-blower re-ignited
interest in the case,
883
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:45,430
and as we investigated
his claims,
884
00:41:45,466 --> 00:41:50,066
we unearthed some secrets that
have remained buried for years.
885
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:55,000
Did the master illusionists make
previous maulings disappear?
886
00:41:55,033 --> 00:41:58,173
That in our next hour of
"How It Really Happened."
887
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,070
Thanks for watching.
Good night.
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