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Welcome to "How It
Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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On April 19, 1995,
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a truck bomb exploded
in downtown Oklahoma City,
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damaging most of the buildings
within 48 square blocks.
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168 people were killed,
more than 500 injured.
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It was the deadliest attack
by a domestic terrorist
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in U.S. history.
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When it was learned that the man
behind the mass slaughter
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was a 26-year-old American,
born and bred,
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there was anger and confusion.
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Why? How?
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Finally, years later,
Timothy McVeigh gave his answers
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to the many questions
everyone was asking --
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answers that would shock
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and enrage the nation
all over again.
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Here's how it really happened.
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Michel:
There's this secluded lake.
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It's called Geary Lake.
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It's in Kansas.
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And this big Ryder truck
comes rolling in,
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and this fellow gets out.
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And he's looking around
to see if anybody's there.
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He goes to the back
of the truck, opens it up,
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and there's all of this material
to make a bomb.
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His co-conspirator
arrives a little later,
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and they begin
making the bomb.
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And they picked this place
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because it's out away
from things.
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Herbeck: It took them
several hours of very hard work
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to mix this bomb,
put it in big, plastic barrels
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that were arranged inside
the truck for maximum impact.
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Michel: That's the bomb
that Timothy McVeigh
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was going to take
a day later to Oklahoma City.
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Throughout all of this,
McVeigh's intensity
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is completely off the charts.
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Nobody is going to get
in the way of this bomb
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that he's building
and delivering.
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He's got contingencies
where he'll kill anybody
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that gets in his way
because this bomb --
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and I hate to use the word --
but it was his masterpiece.
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Then, they notice something
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not far from where they were
building this terrorist bomb.
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McVeigh lowers the back
door of the truck,
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and they're looking out.
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He notices a vehicle pull in,
and a man and a boy get out.
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And he figured it's a father
and a son.
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And they go out in a boat
onto the lake fishing.
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He's thinking, "What happens
if this guy comes back
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and looks inside the truck?"
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This wasn't part of the script,
but he always has a plan "B."
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McVeigh has a Glock on him.
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He always has a shoulder holster
with his Glock.
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McVeigh has reached an opinion
that if they come over,
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he's gonna shoot the father.
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But he didn't want
to kill the boy.
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McVeigh's periodically checking
to see if they're coming in,
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but they have to get back
to the task at hand,
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and that's build
the 7,000-pound bomb.
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Finally, the father gets out
of the boat with his son,
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and they drive off.
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To his great fortune, he never
goes very close to the truck.
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When the bomb
was finally finished,
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Timothy McVeigh headed South,
on his way to Oklahoma City,
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got within a two-hour range of
it, and parked behind a motel,
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and he spent the night there.
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Herbeck: McVeigh woke up totally
focused on what he was doing.
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He was a soldier getting
ready for his mission.
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He'd slept like a baby
in the rental truck,
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two feet in front of
a 7,000-pound bomb.
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He very carefully
drove into Oklahoma City.
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April 19, '95, started out
just like any other morning.
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It was a beautiful
spring morning.
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I was working at
Federal Employees Credit Union,
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which was located in
the Murrah Building downtown.
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I worked on the third floor,
and at the time,
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I was working
as a Visa credit-card clerk.
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The Murrah Building was
a large federal building
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in downtown Oklahoma City.
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Had a lot of different
federal offices,
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everything from Social Security
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to Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms
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and a variety of things.
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There was even
a daycare center there.
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I spent the first hour actually
chatting with all my friends
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and not working.
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I could have never imagined
that something was gonna happen
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that would change my life
so drastically.
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Oak: On the morning
of April 19, 1995,
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I was wearing
a brand-new maternity dress.
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I was six months pregnant.
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I got to work that morning,
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and I went up to my cubicle
on the third floor.
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The building was right
across the street
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from the Murrah Building.
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But I could never imagine
what happened
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in the next few minutes
could change my life forever.
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Potok:
McVeigh has set up his truck
with a double-fusing system.
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One of those fuses
is a five-minute fuse.
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One is a 2-minute fuse.
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When he is 4 minutes
or something like that away
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from the building,
he leans down,
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and he lights
the five-minute fuse.
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He's now getting very close
to the building.
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And he runs up on a red light.
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And the red light
doesn't change.
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And it doesn't change.
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And he was really freaking out.
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"Please let
this light turn green."
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And the cabin starts filling up
with smoke from the fuse.
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Michel:
And he starts walking away,
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heading toward an alleyway
further up,
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and he's not looking back
at the bomb.
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He was walking for about
a minute, thinking to himself,
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"Is that bomb gonna
go off or not?"
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Oak: That morning,
I was sitting at my desk,
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facing away from the window,
and just busy, doing things.
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A sign-up sheet was going around
for snack day,
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and I was trying to
figure out what to bring.
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As it got close to 9:00,
I thought,
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"okay, I really better
get to work,"
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and I ran to my desk
and sat down
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and started to begin my day.
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Herbeck: McVeigh was walking
for about a minute
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and thinking to himself,
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"Is that bomb gonna
go off or not?"
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Every second feels like an hour,
and he's thinking,
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"Am I gonna have to go back
and shoot that bomb?"
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He put a bunch of explosives
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in one of the corners
of the Ryder truck
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that he knew would ignite it
if the fuses failed.
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Potok:
He walks across the street.
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As soon as he is in alley across
the street, he starts to run.
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Downs: One of my coworkers,
she's seven-months pregnant.
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She's sitting down beside me.
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I took a phone call,
was logging on my computer,
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and getting ready to ask her,
"What do you need?"
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When I turned to speak to her...
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[ Explosion ]
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...all of a sudden,
I heard this deafening,
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roaring noise in my head.
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I felt some kind of sensation
going over my body, like a wave.
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I was kind of blown forward,
and I hit my desk.
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It was so loud,
I thought I'd been shot
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in the back of the head.
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And I felt this powerful
rushing sensation,
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like I was falling,
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and I could hear people
screaming all around me.
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And I was falling.
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I was actually falling
three floors.
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And this woman was screaming
right in my ear,
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"Jesus, help me!
Jesus, help me!"
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And then I realized that was me.
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I didn't even recognize
the sound of my own voice.
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And then, all of that stopped,
and it was quiet.
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I looked up.
I saw all the windows were gone.
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They were shattered.
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I was bleeding
down the front of my face,
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and I didn't see
a single soul.
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Downs: I lay there, wondering,
"Am I dead or alive?
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What just happened?"
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My original thought was,
"It's the end of the world,
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and this is it."
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McVeigh has a matter of seconds
to get to his car,
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a yellow 1977
Mercury Marquis.
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[ Engine sputtering ]
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And he turns it on,
and it's grunting and groaning.
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Finally, it burst to life.
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And McVeigh drives off closer
to the speed limit
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than he'd ever driven
in his life
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and heads out of Oklahoma City.
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Oak:
I think I was in shock.
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I mean, I had lost
a lot of blood.
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I was disoriented.
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I just wanted to escape.
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Instinct kind of took over,
and I just got up and tried
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to make my way
out of the building
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by crawling over all kinds
of things that were in the way
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and then trying to make
my way down the stairs.
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I had not felt my baby kick
since the time of the explosion.
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I was thinking
that she may not be okay.
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We went out the front door,
and it looked like a war zone.
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There were people --
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[ Inhales deeply ]
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[ Voice breaking ] There were
people just running everywhere.
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And people
screaming and bleeding.
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Man: There's glass, debris
all over downtown Oklahoma City.
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Boy, it's just like
an atomic bomb went off.
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The ceiling went in.
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All the windows came in.
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It was a deafening roar.
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I was covered with glass.
I didn't know what was going on.
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Woman: I can't believe
this is happening.
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All I know is I can't
see anything.
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It is very hard to breathe.
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I can barely get air.
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I can't really move.
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I was actually still
in my chair,
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and I was upside down
under about 10 feet of rubble.
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But I had no idea
about any of that.
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I just knew I was buried.
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I heard a siren going off
in the distance.
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I decided I was still alive.
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And I started screaming
for help.
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Fields: And all the sudden there
was a call over the radio
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for everybody
to evacuate the building.
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Man: Back! Go! Go!
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Get them back!
Get them back!
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We just found another bomb.
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Man 1: We just heard
some loud explosion.
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We have a large column of smoke
south of this.
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Man 2: We just had some kind
of explosion downtown.
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Flowers:
It was about 9:00 that morning,
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and this incredible blast,
this explosion, went off,
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and it shook
the whole building.
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We had absolutely no idea
what had happened.
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My first thought was that
maybe an airline had crashed.
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[ People shouting indistinctly ]
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Fields: Fire station I was
assigned to was
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about 15 blocks north
of the Murrah Building.
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It was about 9:00 a.m.
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We felt the station rattle.
We heard the explosion.
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We looked back to the south,
towards the downtown area,
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and that's when we saw
the large plume of black smoke,
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and we immediately
got on the rigs
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and self-dispatched
ourselves.
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Didn't wait for the orders.
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Man: We've had an explosion.
We need help.
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This is
the fire department.
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I need some ambulances here.
254
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I got some critically
hurt people.
255
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Woman:
We're at 92 headquarters.
256
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We need ladders in the Southeast
corner of the federal building.
257
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Evacuate people
from the building.
258
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Man: We're still having
some explosions in this fire.
259
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♪♪
260
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People were bleeding
and holding rags and shirts
261
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and things
against their faces.
262
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♪♪
263
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Man 1: Wow. Holy cow.
264
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About a third --
About a third of the building
265
00:16:13,466 --> 00:16:16,246
has been blown away.
266
00:16:16,283 --> 00:16:19,353
Man 2:
Look at the side of that --
just completely demolished.
267
00:16:19,383 --> 00:16:24,003
It looked like someone had taken
and just cut out a horseshoe
268
00:16:24,033 --> 00:16:26,403
out of the side
of that building.
269
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Man 1: And you can see
just smoke and debris and fire
270
00:16:30,333 --> 00:16:31,383
on the ground.
271
00:16:31,416 --> 00:16:33,366
This is just devastating.
272
00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,350
Man 3: There are no words
to describe this scene.
273
00:16:38,383 --> 00:16:42,103
And I remember this crater
that was there
274
00:16:42,133 --> 00:16:43,353
on that side of the building.
275
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It looked like about size
of a swimming pool.
276
00:16:46,050 --> 00:16:49,480
That's when I realized
this had to have been a bomb.
277
00:16:50,016 --> 00:16:54,046
And I immediately ran
into that building.
278
00:16:54,083 --> 00:16:57,003
I could hear people crying
and screaming
279
00:16:57,033 --> 00:16:59,123
and "Get me out of here!
Get me out of here!"
280
00:16:59,150 --> 00:17:02,200
But you can't see them
'cause it's so dark.
281
00:17:02,233 --> 00:17:06,403
I could hear a very faint crying
of a female voice,
282
00:17:06,433 --> 00:17:08,153
and I remember everybody
screaming to each other
283
00:17:08,183 --> 00:17:10,173
"Be quiet!
Be quiet! Be quiet!"
284
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,000
because we were trying
to pinpoint
285
00:17:12,033 --> 00:17:13,223
where that voice
was coming from
286
00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:16,170
to try to dig
through this rubble
287
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,050
until it finally faded
totally away, and it was gone.
288
00:17:20,083 --> 00:17:24,203
And we all knew that this person
probably had just died
289
00:17:24,233 --> 00:17:29,133
as we listened to her
trying to cry for help.
290
00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:33,996
We set up triage right there and
just started treating people.
291
00:17:34,033 --> 00:17:39,073
Clark:
You saw the rescuers all around,
trying to get into the building.
292
00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:40,400
There were
hook-and-ladder trucks,
293
00:17:40,433 --> 00:17:44,253
long ladder trucks trying to get
up to the upper floors
294
00:17:44,283 --> 00:17:47,233
because people were
still trapped in there.
295
00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:49,176
One of the guys that was
on our rescue ladder
296
00:17:49,216 --> 00:17:51,196
extended it up
rescuing a gentleman
297
00:17:51,233 --> 00:17:53,283
from one of the upper floors
of the building.
298
00:17:53,316 --> 00:17:56,346
That kind of stuff
went on all day.
299
00:17:56,383 --> 00:17:59,453
Concrete slabs were broken.
300
00:17:59,483 --> 00:18:02,183
They were as big as a bed
of a pickup.
301
00:18:02,216 --> 00:18:04,416
You didn't just walk
into a room.
302
00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:06,170
You crawled up,
you crawled over,
303
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,350
you crawled around,
and you crawled through.
304
00:18:08,383 --> 00:18:11,073
And that's what we did.
305
00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,020
A firefighter had handed me
a light.
306
00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:15,350
I flipped that light on,
and all the floors had pancaked
307
00:18:15,383 --> 00:18:17,273
right on top of each other.
308
00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:22,350
So, you could see these circles
of about 3 or 4 feet
309
00:18:22,383 --> 00:18:26,223
in diameter, circles everywhere
of coagulated blood.
310
00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:29,230
When we looked at these floors
and this blood
311
00:18:29,266 --> 00:18:31,446
was coming down
through the cracks,
312
00:18:31,483 --> 00:18:35,433
it actually looked like the
floors were actually bleeding.
313
00:18:35,466 --> 00:18:38,046
But we knew what it was.
314
00:18:38,083 --> 00:18:43,323
That's when it really hit home
what we were up against.
315
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:46,030
Downs: I couldn't see.
I couldn't move.
316
00:18:46,066 --> 00:18:48,096
It was hot.
317
00:18:48,133 --> 00:18:50,303
And there was a horrible smell.
318
00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:52,373
Finally, I hear men's voices.
319
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,420
And they're saying,
"Let's split up.
320
00:18:54,450 --> 00:18:57,120
Let's look for
the daycare children."
321
00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:58,380
And I was really confused
because
322
00:18:58,416 --> 00:18:59,416
I worked
on the third floor,
323
00:18:59,450 --> 00:19:01,220
and the daycare
was on the second floor.
324
00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:05,480
I didn't realize we were all
at the bottom of the building.
325
00:19:06,016 --> 00:19:09,266
But I started screaming
like crazy at this point,
326
00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,120
and one of the men said,
327
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,380
"I hear you.
We can't see you.
328
00:19:12,416 --> 00:19:14,216
We have to follow
the sound of your voice.
329
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:16,480
Keep talking to us."
330
00:19:17,016 --> 00:19:20,076
And, so, we keep yelling back
and forth at each other
331
00:19:20,116 --> 00:19:23,246
until the voices get closer
and closer and closer.
332
00:19:23,283 --> 00:19:25,023
My right hand was actually
333
00:19:25,050 --> 00:19:28,200
sticking out of the side
of the rubble pile.
334
00:19:28,233 --> 00:19:31,123
And, so, one of the men
brushed against my head,
335
00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:32,380
and I said, "that's me.
That's me.
336
00:19:32,416 --> 00:19:34,026
I'm right here."
337
00:19:34,066 --> 00:19:38,026
At this point, I thought
they were gonna grab my hand,
338
00:19:38,066 --> 00:19:40,216
one, two, three,
pull me up and out.
339
00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:41,450
But that's not what happened.
340
00:19:41,483 --> 00:19:44,333
Fields: And all of a sudden,
there was a call over the radio
341
00:19:44,366 --> 00:19:48,226
for everybody
to evacuate the building.
342
00:19:48,266 --> 00:19:51,096
I heard other voices,
and they were screaming,
343
00:19:51,133 --> 00:19:52,303
"There's another bomb!
There's another bomb!
344
00:19:52,333 --> 00:19:54,023
Everybody get out now!"
345
00:19:54,050 --> 00:19:56,050
Man: Get back!
Go! Go!
346
00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,483
Get them back!
Get them back!
347
00:19:58,016 --> 00:20:01,026
Downs: And my rescuer starting
talking over the voices, saying,
348
00:20:01,066 --> 00:20:03,146
"Amy, we're gonna be
right back."
349
00:20:03,183 --> 00:20:05,473
I began saying over
and over again my name.
350
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,250
"Tell my husband I love him,"
because this was it.
351
00:20:08,283 --> 00:20:11,073
I was saying goodbye.
352
00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:13,250
And they left,
and I was alone.
353
00:20:13,283 --> 00:20:16,423
♪♪
354
00:20:16,450 --> 00:20:18,330
Hanger: As I turned on
my emergency lights,
355
00:20:18,366 --> 00:20:20,316
I could tell the driver
of this yellow
356
00:20:20,350 --> 00:20:22,200
Mercury saw me.
357
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,320
And he's thinking, "I could kill
this guy if I want."
358
00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:36,996
Welcome back.
359
00:20:37,033 --> 00:20:38,433
A few minutes after
first responders
360
00:20:38,466 --> 00:20:42,076
arrived at the Murrah Building
in downtown Oklahoma City,
361
00:20:42,116 --> 00:20:46,116
reports of a second bomb
sent everyone running for cover,
362
00:20:46,150 --> 00:20:49,280
forcing those still trapped
inside to face
363
00:20:49,316 --> 00:20:52,426
their impending deaths
on their own.
364
00:20:52,466 --> 00:20:56,326
♪♪
365
00:20:56,366 --> 00:20:58,216
Man 1:
Go back -- another bomb.
366
00:20:58,250 --> 00:21:00,250
Go back!
Get back!
367
00:21:00,283 --> 00:21:03,253
Man 2: Go! Go! Get them back!
Get them back!
368
00:21:03,283 --> 00:21:07,053
Downs: I'm here,
buried under feet of rubble.
369
00:21:07,083 --> 00:21:11,083
My reality was, "another bomb
is getting ready to go off."
370
00:21:11,116 --> 00:21:13,366
They got a hot spot.
Get them back!
371
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,220
♪♪
372
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:18,130
[ Crying ]
373
00:21:18,166 --> 00:21:19,296
Downs: And I can't leave.
374
00:21:19,333 --> 00:21:24,023
I was terrified because
I realized my life was over.
375
00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:29,280
My life was over,
and I never even lived it.
376
00:21:29,316 --> 00:21:32,446
And I was filled with regret.
377
00:21:32,483 --> 00:21:35,483
I remember one
of the thoughts I had was
378
00:21:36,016 --> 00:21:38,396
that I was dying,
and I'd never been a mother.
379
00:21:38,433 --> 00:21:42,203
And all of the sudden,
in a split second,
380
00:21:42,233 --> 00:21:45,323
I had this horrible regret
that I've never had a child.
381
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:50,180
I started praying
and begging God to let me live.
382
00:21:50,216 --> 00:21:52,146
And I thought about
all the changes
383
00:21:52,183 --> 00:21:55,423
I would make, you know, if I
could just have a second chance.
384
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,100
Ronan: Approximately 60 miles
north of Oklahoma City,
385
00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:09,483
a state trooper named
Charlie Hanger stumbles
386
00:22:10,016 --> 00:22:13,076
on the most-wanted man
in America.
387
00:22:13,116 --> 00:22:16,196
On April 19, 1995,
I'm within about a mile of
388
00:22:16,233 --> 00:22:18,303
where I'm going to exit
off the interstate,
389
00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:22,203
and I see this old,
yellow Mercury.
390
00:22:22,233 --> 00:22:26,353
I noticed on the rear bumper,
there was no license plate.
391
00:22:26,383 --> 00:22:28,273
As I turned on
my emergency lights,
392
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,330
I could tell the driver
393
00:22:30,366 --> 00:22:32,996
of this old,
yellow Mercury saw me.
394
00:22:34,466 --> 00:22:37,476
He was slowing down
and pulling over.
395
00:22:38,016 --> 00:22:41,366
I opened my door, and I yelled
for the driver to get out.
396
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,470
The door opens up, but he
doesn't immediately get out.
397
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,220
The driver, he sits there
thinking for a minute or two.
398
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:52,270
And he's thinking, "I could
kill this guy if I want"
399
00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,350
because he has his Glock
in his shoulder holster.
400
00:22:59,383 --> 00:23:02,023
At that very moment, he makes
the decision, no,
401
00:23:02,050 --> 00:23:04,070
he's not gonna
kill the officer.
402
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,450
He's gonna wait and see
what happens.
403
00:23:06,483 --> 00:23:09,333
And a few seconds later,
he stands up,
404
00:23:09,366 --> 00:23:11,276
begins walking toward me.
405
00:23:11,316 --> 00:23:15,026
♪♪
406
00:23:15,066 --> 00:23:16,276
I begin questioning him.
407
00:23:16,316 --> 00:23:19,116
I said, "Do you have
a driver's license?"
408
00:23:19,150 --> 00:23:21,120
At that time, he goes to his
right-rear pocket
409
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:22,450
to retrieve his billfold.
410
00:23:22,483 --> 00:23:25,433
He's just starting to
pull his jacket back,
411
00:23:25,466 --> 00:23:27,466
and I noticed a bulge
under his left arm
412
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,470
that I thought was a weapon.
413
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,370
It was not legal
in the state of Oklahoma
414
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,450
to carry a loaded firearm
in a motor vehicle at that time.
415
00:23:34,483 --> 00:23:37,423
And he looks me in the eye,
and he says, "I have a weapon."
416
00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:40,070
But I'm telling him
at the same time,
417
00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,220
"Get your hands
and turn around."
418
00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:45,480
He says, "My weapon is loaded."
419
00:23:46,016 --> 00:23:48,066
At that time, I nudge him
in the back of the head
420
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:51,300
with the barrel of my pistol,
and I said, "Well, so is mine."
421
00:23:51,333 --> 00:23:54,083
And then I handcuffed him
and put him in my patrol unit,
422
00:23:54,116 --> 00:23:56,316
and we started our trip
to the Noble County Jail.
423
00:23:56,350 --> 00:23:59,420
♪♪
424
00:23:59,450 --> 00:24:01,200
We get to the Noble County Jail.
425
00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:05,373
That's a small jail,
only one jailer on duty.
426
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,220
There is a television
hanging on the wall.
427
00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:11,050
It's not supposed
to happen here, but it did.
428
00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:12,453
And at times,
I would see my prisoner
429
00:24:12,483 --> 00:24:15,403
looking up at the television
and looking back down
430
00:24:15,433 --> 00:24:17,333
but never making any comments.
431
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,000
It's an amazing scene --
this little county jail.
432
00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:32,183
They have no idea
who they have in custody.
433
00:24:32,216 --> 00:24:35,146
So, McVeigh sits there,
you know,
434
00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:37,423
this anonymous, unknown guy,
435
00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:42,470
in a little jail in Oklahoma,
waiting to go before a judge.
436
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,270
And all indications were
that this young man,
437
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:48,250
the next day, would see a judge
and then be released.
438
00:24:48,283 --> 00:24:51,203
Most people do bond out of jail
on misdemeanor
439
00:24:51,233 --> 00:24:54,033
or traffic offenses
by the next day.
440
00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:56,426
♪♪
441
00:24:56,466 --> 00:25:00,466
After probably about 45 minutes
of having this life
442
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,300
flashing before my eyes,
come-to-Jesus meeting,
443
00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:06,033
I hear voices,
and they've come back.
444
00:25:06,066 --> 00:25:07,426
There was not a second bomb.
445
00:25:07,466 --> 00:25:10,016
Everybody started screaming
at us, "Go back in."
446
00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:11,320
They give us the all clear.
447
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:14,080
Downs: They came back, and they
began working to get me out.
448
00:25:14,116 --> 00:25:15,426
But I was stuck.
449
00:25:15,466 --> 00:25:20,116
Back in 1995,
I weighed over 355 pounds.
450
00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:25,330
So, I'm sure it wasn't for them
to get me out.
451
00:25:25,366 --> 00:25:29,276
And the area of the building
where I was was very unstable.
452
00:25:29,316 --> 00:25:32,996
There was an emergency physician
on standby
453
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:35,423
that kept stopping to ask
if they should amputate.
454
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:37,270
If they amputated my leg,
455
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:40,030
they could all get out
quickly and safely.
456
00:25:40,066 --> 00:25:44,216
Instead, these men,
these firemen, kept saying,
457
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:46,420
"give us 20 more minutes.
Give us 20 more minutes."
458
00:25:46,450 --> 00:25:49,170
Finally, they said,
"we're gonna count to 3,
459
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,430
and we're gonna pull.
This is probably gonna hurt."
460
00:25:53,466 --> 00:25:56,116
I came out from under the rubble
for the first time,
461
00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:58,130
and every nerve in my body
came alive.
462
00:25:58,166 --> 00:26:02,416
But I didn't care
because I was free.
463
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:05,300
I was buried alive 6 1/2 hours.
464
00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:09,423
I'll never forget that first
breath of fresh air that I took.
465
00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:13,420
And I remember looking up
at the sky and promising God,
466
00:26:13,450 --> 00:26:17,220
"I will never live
my life the same."
467
00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:21,250
Man:
In Oklahoma City, a possible
breakthrough in the case.
468
00:26:21,283 --> 00:26:25,173
That one interview was a quantum
leap in the investigation.
469
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,400
Man: The FBI released composite
drawings of two suspects --
470
00:26:28,433 --> 00:26:31,303
white males of medium build.
471
00:26:35,283 --> 00:26:38,083
♪♪
472
00:26:38,116 --> 00:26:40,216
Clinton:
Let there be no room for doubt.
473
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:44,070
We will find the people
who did this.
474
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:50,450
When we do, justice will be
swift, certain, and severe.
475
00:26:50,483 --> 00:26:55,103
We have had hundreds,
if not thousands,
476
00:26:55,133 --> 00:26:57,483
of leads from individuals
477
00:26:58,016 --> 00:27:00,266
calling in
to reputed eyewitnesses.
478
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,200
Each one of those is treated
very seriously.
479
00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,073
From the very start,
people thought this was
480
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,180
a Middle-East connection.
481
00:27:08,216 --> 00:27:09,416
The Alfred Murrah --
this was following
482
00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:11,480
the World Trade Center bombing
in New York City
483
00:27:12,016 --> 00:27:14,366
in February of 1993.
484
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,270
And that, in fact,
was an Islamist attack.
485
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:18,470
Woman:
So, your assessment, then,
486
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,400
probably is
a Middle-East connection.
487
00:27:20,433 --> 00:27:22,353
I think there's a real
possibility
488
00:27:22,383 --> 00:27:24,153
it was
a Middle-Eastern group.
489
00:27:24,183 --> 00:27:26,223
I knew it was a truck bomb
because of the crater
490
00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:28,180
in front of the Murrah Building.
491
00:27:28,216 --> 00:27:30,296
If you got a big hole
in the ground,
492
00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:33,123
you know it was delivered
there by a truck.
493
00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:37,330
So, the FBI start looking
for pieces of the explosion.
494
00:27:37,366 --> 00:27:42,316
And the first thing we turned up
was the axle for that truck.
495
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:46,130
A twisted axle of what may have
been the car with the explosives
496
00:27:46,166 --> 00:27:49,296
was found two blocks
from the Federal Building.
497
00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:51,423
Clark: There's a VIN number
on the truck axle.
498
00:27:51,450 --> 00:27:54,370
So, they're able to find out
the make and model
499
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,270
and find out
where the truck came from.
500
00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,130
That's a huge lead for us.
501
00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:02,026
And within an hour,
we knew it was rented by Ryder.
502
00:28:02,066 --> 00:28:04,416
Ryder gave us the location
where it was rented.
503
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:08,300
A place called Elliott's Body
Shop in Junction City, Kansas.
504
00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:11,433
Man: Sources tell CNN that the
vehicle used in the explosion
505
00:28:11,466 --> 00:28:14,076
was rented
in Junction City, Kansas,
506
00:28:14,116 --> 00:28:17,066
about a 300-mile drive
from Oklahoma City.
507
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:21,230
We went to Elliott's Body Shop.
Dispatched agents up there.
508
00:28:21,266 --> 00:28:24,126
Potok: They're trying to get
a description and a name,
509
00:28:24,166 --> 00:28:26,276
hopefully, of the person
who rented the truck.
510
00:28:26,316 --> 00:28:28,296
Ronan: They found out
that the truck had been rented
511
00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,333
by a guy
by the name of Robert Kling.
512
00:28:30,366 --> 00:28:32,466
But all of his information
was bogus --
513
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,180
his address, his phone number,
and the like.
514
00:28:36,216 --> 00:28:38,416
Potok: The FBI at
Elliott's Body Shop, of course,
515
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:40,220
interviews the employees,
516
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:44,170
who believe they've seen whoever
it was who rented the truck.
517
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,220
Coulson: The interviews
where the truck was rented
518
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:50,050
revealed two people
came into the establishment
519
00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:53,323
and rented a truck.
520
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:55,300
Man: The day after the bombing
of the federal building
521
00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:58,173
in Oklahoma City,
a possible breakthrough
522
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,470
in the case.
523
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,030
The FBI released composite
drawings of two suspects --
524
00:29:03,066 --> 00:29:05,016
white males of medium build.
525
00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:09,130
Coulson:
So, we called them John Doe
number 1 and John Doe number 2.
526
00:29:09,166 --> 00:29:11,266
Kenney: Both of these men should
be considered armed
527
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,070
and extremely dangerous.
528
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:15,400
Coulson: After we got
the pictures, agents go out
529
00:29:15,433 --> 00:29:17,283
all over that part of the world
530
00:29:17,316 --> 00:29:21,176
and show the picture
at every road stop, every hotel.
531
00:29:21,216 --> 00:29:22,476
Potok:
One of those teams
532
00:29:23,016 --> 00:29:26,076
winds up at a place called
the Dreamland Motel,
533
00:29:26,116 --> 00:29:28,316
which is run by a woman
named Lee McGowan.
534
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:30,250
Coulson: When the agents
went to the motel,
535
00:29:30,283 --> 00:29:32,023
they showed both pictures.
536
00:29:32,050 --> 00:29:36,120
The FBI came in and showed me
some drawings, and I stated,
537
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:40,070
"This picture looks similar
like a client who stayed here."
538
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,480
The only one that
the manager identified
539
00:29:42,016 --> 00:29:43,376
was John Doe number 1.
540
00:29:43,416 --> 00:29:47,296
McGowan: And he was, very
friendly, very outgoing, smiled,
541
00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,433
and he paid in cash.
542
00:29:49,466 --> 00:29:52,276
And then comes
this remarkable moment,
543
00:29:52,316 --> 00:29:54,276
really, the break in the case,
544
00:29:54,316 --> 00:29:58,466
where Lee McGowan shows
the agents her guest register,
545
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000
and, lo and behold, the man
who had rented the Ryder truck
546
00:30:03,033 --> 00:30:07,023
had signed the register
"Tim McVeigh."
547
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,200
Coulson: So, it was a huge jump
in the investigation.
548
00:30:09,233 --> 00:30:11,233
Now we know
who we're looking for.
549
00:30:11,266 --> 00:30:14,196
Why he used his own name there
I will never know.
550
00:30:14,233 --> 00:30:17,003
But sometimes we hope
that the people we're chasing
551
00:30:17,033 --> 00:30:20,173
are not as smart
as they should be.
552
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,480
Ronan: Investigators found
another clue on the register
553
00:30:23,016 --> 00:30:26,176
at the Dreamland Motel,
one that put Terry Nichols,
554
00:30:26,216 --> 00:30:31,396
the man who helped Tim McVeigh
build the bomb, on the radar.
555
00:30:31,433 --> 00:30:34,003
Coulson: We had an address
based on his registration card
556
00:30:34,033 --> 00:30:35,333
at the Dreamland Motel.
557
00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:37,416
Potok: McVeigh had put down
on the register
558
00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:42,050
as his home address
the address in Michigan
559
00:30:42,083 --> 00:30:43,423
of Terry Nichols' brother.
560
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:45,220
Rowan:
McVeigh had actually lived there
561
00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:47,420
with the Nichols brothers
a while back.
562
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:49,280
Coulson:
We immediately dispatched agents
563
00:30:49,316 --> 00:30:51,446
to Decker, Michigan,
to see where it's gonna lead.
564
00:30:51,483 --> 00:30:58,133
♪♪
565
00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:01,146
Potok: Terry Nichols is at home
in Herington, Kansas,
566
00:31:01,183 --> 00:31:05,373
and sees this on TV
and is frightened to death.
567
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,470
You know,
Nichols somehow thought
568
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,470
he was just gonna kind of
slide away from this thing.
569
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,350
Coulson: He's thinking,
"I better go talk to these guys.
570
00:31:13,383 --> 00:31:17,153
He rushes into the police
station and gives himself up.
571
00:31:17,183 --> 00:31:21,033
Man: He came into the station
at approximately 2:30 today.
572
00:31:21,066 --> 00:31:25,016
He identified himself
as Terry Lynn Nichols
573
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,220
and that he had seen
his name on TV.
574
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:30,170
So, at this point,
the FBI agents are thinking,
575
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,250
"could this be
our John doe number 2?"
576
00:31:32,283 --> 00:31:35,323
Coulson: The agents took his
picture back to the same place
577
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:37,300
that the Van Was rented from.
578
00:31:37,333 --> 00:31:39,283
The guy said,
"No, that's not the guy."
579
00:31:39,316 --> 00:31:41,376
♪♪
580
00:31:41,416 --> 00:31:44,026
He was not John Doe number 2.
581
00:31:44,066 --> 00:31:46,416
♪♪
582
00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:49,020
At that point, of course,
they had no idea
583
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:51,070
where in the world
is Timothy McVeigh.
584
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,220
Ronan: They don't realize
that their guy,
585
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:58,030
their suspect, is sitting
in a jail in Perry, Oklahoma,
586
00:31:58,066 --> 00:31:59,446
less than two hours away.
587
00:31:59,483 --> 00:32:02,223
Potok: He is about to be brought
before the judge,
588
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:04,400
who is, undoubtedly,
going to make
589
00:32:04,433 --> 00:32:06,153
some kind of bond arrangement
590
00:32:06,183 --> 00:32:08,023
and let him drive off
into the sunset.
591
00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:10,030
But for the FBI,
they're man hunters,
592
00:32:10,066 --> 00:32:11,216
and the first thing they did
593
00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:15,150
was do a national crime
information center search to see
594
00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:17,473
if he'd contact
with law enforcement.
595
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,330
And we found out
shortly after the bombing,
596
00:32:20,366 --> 00:32:25,246
an Oklahoma highway patrolman,
Charles Hanger, arrested him.
597
00:32:25,283 --> 00:32:27,383
Man: He was in the process
of being led to the courthouse
598
00:32:27,416 --> 00:32:30,116
for a bond hearing
when that phone call was made
599
00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:33,100
and could have walked free
in as little as 30 minutes.
600
00:32:33,133 --> 00:32:36,073
♪♪
601
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,270
We jumped in the helicopter
602
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:39,430
and flew up there as fast
as we could get there.
603
00:32:39,466 --> 00:32:42,226
So, we went in
and confronted him.
604
00:32:53,033 --> 00:32:54,333
They said, "Do you know
why we're here?"
605
00:32:54,366 --> 00:32:57,246
And he says, "it's about
that thing in Oklahoma City."
606
00:32:57,283 --> 00:32:59,433
Clark:
Had this whole investigation
607
00:32:59,466 --> 00:33:01,476
been delayed a few hours,
608
00:33:02,016 --> 00:33:04,426
Timothy McVeigh probably
would have been gone.
609
00:33:04,466 --> 00:33:07,326
Hanger: I've always said
that it was divine intervention
610
00:33:07,366 --> 00:33:10,266
that put all
those things in place.
611
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:13,100
♪♪
612
00:33:13,133 --> 00:33:17,283
Clark: The word gets out that
the person arrested for this
613
00:33:17,316 --> 00:33:20,116
is in the jail
in Perry, Oklahoma.
614
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:22,330
And people start gathering
in the area
615
00:33:22,366 --> 00:33:26,226
outside the courthouse,
waiting for him.
616
00:33:26,266 --> 00:33:28,426
Man: The Noble County Courthouse
in Perry, Oklahoma,
617
00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:32,366
was ringed with police officers
and several hundred spectators,
618
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,270
all in anticipation
of seeing Timothy McVeigh.
619
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:40,320
And then the door opens,
and out walks Timothy McVeigh
620
00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:44,080
in an orange jumpsuit.
621
00:33:44,116 --> 00:33:47,116
Potok:
This wasn't evil Muslims.
622
00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:49,420
These weren't people
who believed in some religion
623
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:51,230
that we don't like.
624
00:33:51,266 --> 00:33:54,246
A blue-eyed,
fair-haired American boy
625
00:33:54,283 --> 00:33:56,273
had been found
to be the perpetrator.
626
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:59,070
This was, you know,
the neighbor of all of us.
627
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,100
Downs: I remember being
in the hospital,
628
00:34:09,133 --> 00:34:11,433
and the nurses were all crowded
around a TV,
629
00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:17,046
and the realization hit me
that...a person did this.
630
00:34:17,083 --> 00:34:20,233
Like, a person did this.
631
00:34:20,266 --> 00:34:24,276
I really could not wrap my mind
around that.
632
00:34:24,316 --> 00:34:32,216
I was just in disbelief that
somebody would want to cause
633
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:36,230
so much destruction
and ruin so many lives.
634
00:34:41,316 --> 00:34:44,376
Man: A nationwide search
is continuing
635
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,466
for a second suspect
in the bombing.
636
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,220
He's known only
as John Doe number 2,
637
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:52,250
a white male, medium build,
with brown hair
638
00:34:52,283 --> 00:34:54,233
and a tattoo on his left arm.
639
00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:56,116
In the course
of the following months,
640
00:34:56,150 --> 00:34:57,470
there are people
all over the country
641
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,300
who claim they know
who John Doe number 2 is.
642
00:35:00,333 --> 00:35:02,223
[ Telephone ringing ]
643
00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:04,050
FBI hotline.
644
00:35:04,083 --> 00:35:07,303
Man:
The FBI continues to receive
leads phoned in by the public.
645
00:35:07,333 --> 00:35:13,083
This winds up being
an incredible pain for the FBI.
646
00:35:13,116 --> 00:35:19,076
In the end, the FBI finds
that a particular soldier
647
00:35:19,116 --> 00:35:22,396
went to Elliott's Body Shop
on the day after McVeigh
648
00:35:22,433 --> 00:35:25,453
was there to do
his own business.
649
00:35:25,483 --> 00:35:30,073
And he matched
that John Doe 2 picture.
650
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:33,250
Ronan: There was never any
John Doe number 2.
651
00:35:33,283 --> 00:35:36,103
Turned out it was just a case
of mistaken identity.
652
00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:39,123
But there were many people
who believed that
653
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:42,170
for something
as diabolical as this act
654
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,330
was that there had to be
more people involved.
655
00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:10,273
After McVeigh was arrested,
we were assigned to learn
656
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,050
everything we could
about his background,
657
00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:15,053
his family, his friends.
658
00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:19,003
I was immediately sent over
to Tim McVeigh's home,
659
00:36:19,033 --> 00:36:20,323
where his dad lived.
660
00:36:20,350 --> 00:36:22,420
There was a horde
of federal agents,
661
00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:26,220
state police, surrounding
Bill McVeigh's house.
662
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:30,420
And there was dozens and dozens
of members of the media,
663
00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:34,000
and nobody was
getting to Bill McVeigh.
664
00:36:34,033 --> 00:36:35,453
Everyone was in a state
of shock.
665
00:36:35,483 --> 00:36:38,323
They did not believe
that Tim McVeigh,
666
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:40,250
this all-American kid,
667
00:36:40,283 --> 00:36:44,423
was capable of something
that horrible.
668
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:47,020
It's just -- It's unbelievable.
669
00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:48,220
He was never a harmful person.
670
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:51,000
He was -- He was pretty much
to himself.
671
00:36:51,033 --> 00:36:54,333
He was very quiet
and liked children.
672
00:36:54,366 --> 00:36:56,076
Neighbors would bring up
the fact
673
00:36:56,116 --> 00:36:59,066
that "He would
babysit for me."
674
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:02,200
It didn't seem that there was
a mean bone in his body.
675
00:37:02,233 --> 00:37:05,483
He had a deep sensitivity
about him,
676
00:37:06,016 --> 00:37:11,246
and that sensitivity
would later play against him.
677
00:37:11,283 --> 00:37:16,253
His dad worked in a factory.
His mother was a travel agent.
678
00:37:16,283 --> 00:37:22,133
He had two sisters, and they
were all close in a sense.
679
00:37:22,166 --> 00:37:25,266
But Tim McVeigh did not have
an idyllic childhood.
680
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,350
There was a lot of fighting
going on.
681
00:37:33,016 --> 00:37:35,246
And they tried to provide
a good, stable home,
682
00:37:35,283 --> 00:37:39,403
but Tim's mother had moved out
and moved to Florida,
683
00:37:39,433 --> 00:37:41,433
and she took
the two girls with her.
684
00:37:41,466 --> 00:37:44,076
He stayed with his father,
who he was not close to.
685
00:37:44,116 --> 00:37:49,146
His father was a very taciturn,
kind of shy, interned man.
686
00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:06,350
McVeigh was hassled,
bullied by other kids.
687
00:38:13,466 --> 00:38:16,346
He was a kid who spent
all of this time by himself,
688
00:38:16,383 --> 00:38:20,273
immersed himself in
science fiction, in comic books,
689
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,030
"Star Trek"-type stories.
690
00:38:23,066 --> 00:38:28,126
And that really seemed in a way
to kind of become his world.
691
00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:30,426
You know, so, this is
an alienated kid,
692
00:38:30,466 --> 00:38:35,016
someone who doesn't get much
from either of his parents
693
00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:38,300
and doesn't have many people
in the world at all.
694
00:38:38,333 --> 00:38:40,183
But McVeigh did have one person
in the world
695
00:38:40,216 --> 00:38:41,316
he could confide in.
696
00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:44,180
That was his grandfather,
Ed McVeigh.
697
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:52,430
And I think some of
Tim McVeigh's happiest moments
698
00:38:52,466 --> 00:38:56,996
of his childhood
were being out in the woods
699
00:38:57,033 --> 00:38:59,203
with his grandfather
700
00:38:59,233 --> 00:39:02,483
and the grandfather
teaching him all about guns.
701
00:39:03,016 --> 00:39:04,246
Potok:
His grandfather, Eddie McVeigh,
702
00:39:04,283 --> 00:39:08,133
was a hunter who initially
introduced Tim McVeigh
703
00:39:08,166 --> 00:39:10,066
to guns and to hunting.
704
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,470
Ronan: Tim McVeigh learned
how to hunt and fire a rifle,
705
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,180
and he became quite a good shot
at a young age.
706
00:39:16,216 --> 00:39:18,126
Potok:
So, McVeigh, as he got older,
707
00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:21,416
began to read all kinds
of radical literature.
708
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:25,180
He got more into
"Soldier of Fortune" magazine
709
00:39:25,216 --> 00:39:27,126
and kind of survivalist ideas,
710
00:39:27,166 --> 00:39:30,216
and a lot of that
was through his grandfather.
711
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:32,350
Ronan: After McVeigh graduates
from high school,
712
00:39:32,383 --> 00:39:36,073
he does manage to find himself
a couple of part-time jobs.
713
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,100
He's working now
for an armored-car company,
714
00:39:40,133 --> 00:39:44,233
and he's doing overnight shifts
at the zoo in Buffalo
715
00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:46,216
as a security guard.
716
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:49,320
But nothing is really
clicking with him,
717
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:53,400
and he decides
that he needs some direction.
718
00:39:59,383 --> 00:40:01,433
One day he comes home,
and he tells his father,
719
00:40:01,466 --> 00:40:04,146
"Dad, I'm going in the Army."
720
00:40:04,183 --> 00:40:06,403
And his father says, "When?"
"Tomorrow."
721
00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:16,150
McVeigh looked at it
as free ammo to shoot guns.
722
00:40:16,183 --> 00:40:18,473
He is fascinated by weapons.
723
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,280
And the Army is the ultimate
storehouse for weaponry.
724
00:40:24,316 --> 00:40:27,046
He really kind of flourished
in the Army.
725
00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:30,373
He was the ultimate
gung-ho soldier.
726
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,080
He'd get up an hour early,
before anyone else,
727
00:40:34,116 --> 00:40:37,346
and start getting ready
for an inspection.
728
00:40:37,383 --> 00:40:41,223
When other soldiers
were finished for the day,
729
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:44,050
McVeigh would throw
on his knapsack.
730
00:40:44,083 --> 00:40:46,003
He'd be hiking around the base.
731
00:40:46,033 --> 00:40:49,183
And more than anything else,
McVeigh is a good shot.
732
00:40:49,216 --> 00:40:50,416
For the first time in his life,
733
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:54,230
he really belonged to something
that he was proud of.
734
00:40:54,266 --> 00:40:57,996
♪♪
735
00:40:58,033 --> 00:41:01,283
Then the first Gulf War happens,
and he goes over there.
736
00:41:01,316 --> 00:41:04,076
And the script is
kind of flipped on him.
737
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,020
Herbeck: He started to realize
that America,
738
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:14,450
in his mind,
was the biggest, meanest,
739
00:41:14,483 --> 00:41:17,373
cruelest bully
in the entire world.
740
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Potok: More and more,
he's getting wrapped up
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in their conspiracy theories.
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♪♪
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After Timothy McVeigh
was arrested,
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deputies found a packet
of anti-government literature
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in his getaway car
that he claimed he left behind
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to help shed light
on his motive for the bombing.
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But years later, McVeigh decided
to explain everything himself.
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In a shocking prison interview,
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he describes his twisted
interpretation of justice.
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So, what was it
that McVeigh says
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turned a high-school misfit
into a monster?
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That's coming up
in the second hour
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of "How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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Thanks for watching.
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