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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,466 --> 00:00:08,126 ♪♪ 2 00:00:24,133 --> 00:00:31,173 ♪♪ 3 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:38,250 ♪♪ 4 00:00:38,283 --> 00:00:39,453 Welcome to "How It Really Happened." 5 00:00:39,483 --> 00:00:41,083 I'm Hill Harper. 6 00:00:41,116 --> 00:00:43,276 On April 19, 1995, 7 00:00:43,316 --> 00:00:46,316 a truck bomb exploded in downtown Oklahoma City, 8 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:49,420 damaging most of the buildings within 48 square blocks. 9 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:53,370 168 people were killed, more than 500 injured. 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,480 It was the deadliest attack by a domestic terrorist 11 00:00:56,016 --> 00:00:57,366 in U.S. history. 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,420 When it was learned that the man behind the mass slaughter 13 00:01:00,450 --> 00:01:03,380 was a 26-year-old American, born and bred, 14 00:01:03,416 --> 00:01:06,426 there was anger and confusion. 15 00:01:06,466 --> 00:01:08,376 Why? How? 16 00:01:08,416 --> 00:01:13,066 Finally, years later, Timothy McVeigh gave his answers 17 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:16,130 to the many questions everyone was asking -- 18 00:01:16,166 --> 00:01:17,376 answers that would shock 19 00:01:17,416 --> 00:01:20,226 and enrage the nation all over again. 20 00:01:20,266 --> 00:01:23,246 Here's how it really happened. 21 00:01:23,283 --> 00:01:28,353 ♪♪ 22 00:01:28,383 --> 00:01:33,453 ♪♪ 23 00:01:33,483 --> 00:01:35,303 Michel: There's this secluded lake. 24 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:37,073 It's called Geary Lake. 25 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:39,350 It's in Kansas. 26 00:01:39,383 --> 00:01:43,133 And this big Ryder truck comes rolling in, 27 00:01:43,166 --> 00:01:46,346 and this fellow gets out. 28 00:01:46,383 --> 00:01:50,023 And he's looking around to see if anybody's there. 29 00:01:50,050 --> 00:01:53,350 He goes to the back of the truck, opens it up, 30 00:01:53,383 --> 00:01:57,453 and there's all of this material to make a bomb. 31 00:01:57,483 --> 00:02:01,103 His co-conspirator arrives a little later, 32 00:02:01,133 --> 00:02:03,333 and they begin making the bomb. 33 00:02:03,366 --> 00:02:04,426 And they picked this place 34 00:02:04,466 --> 00:02:08,016 because it's out away from things. 35 00:02:08,050 --> 00:02:12,220 Herbeck: It took them several hours of very hard work 36 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:16,480 to mix this bomb, put it in big, plastic barrels 37 00:02:17,016 --> 00:02:21,376 that were arranged inside the truck for maximum impact. 38 00:02:29,066 --> 00:02:31,226 Michel: That's the bomb that Timothy McVeigh 39 00:02:31,266 --> 00:02:34,446 was going to take a day later to Oklahoma City. 40 00:02:34,483 --> 00:02:40,103 ♪♪ 41 00:02:40,133 --> 00:02:43,273 Throughout all of this, McVeigh's intensity 42 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:46,120 is completely off the charts. 43 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:49,130 Nobody is going to get in the way of this bomb 44 00:02:49,166 --> 00:02:52,326 that he's building and delivering. 45 00:02:52,366 --> 00:02:55,416 He's got contingencies where he'll kill anybody 46 00:02:55,450 --> 00:02:59,050 that gets in his way because this bomb -- 47 00:02:59,083 --> 00:03:02,323 and I hate to use the word -- but it was his masterpiece. 48 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:04,320 ♪♪ 49 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:07,130 Then, they notice something 50 00:03:07,166 --> 00:03:11,326 not far from where they were building this terrorist bomb. 51 00:03:11,366 --> 00:03:15,466 McVeigh lowers the back door of the truck, 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 and they're looking out. 53 00:03:18,033 --> 00:03:22,383 He notices a vehicle pull in, and a man and a boy get out. 54 00:03:22,416 --> 00:03:25,176 And he figured it's a father and a son. 55 00:03:25,216 --> 00:03:30,016 And they go out in a boat onto the lake fishing. 56 00:03:30,050 --> 00:03:33,300 He's thinking, "What happens if this guy comes back 57 00:03:33,333 --> 00:03:35,123 and looks inside the truck?" 58 00:03:35,150 --> 00:03:40,070 This wasn't part of the script, but he always has a plan "B." 59 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:41,300 McVeigh has a Glock on him. 60 00:03:41,333 --> 00:03:45,423 He always has a shoulder holster with his Glock. 61 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:50,330 McVeigh has reached an opinion that if they come over, 62 00:03:50,366 --> 00:03:53,146 he's gonna shoot the father. 63 00:04:02,450 --> 00:04:06,000 But he didn't want to kill the boy. 64 00:04:06,033 --> 00:04:10,323 McVeigh's periodically checking to see if they're coming in, 65 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:13,120 but they have to get back to the task at hand, 66 00:04:13,150 --> 00:04:16,420 and that's build the 7,000-pound bomb. 67 00:04:16,450 --> 00:04:19,230 ♪♪ 68 00:04:19,266 --> 00:04:23,246 Finally, the father gets out of the boat with his son, 69 00:04:23,283 --> 00:04:26,233 and they drive off. 70 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:31,396 To his great fortune, he never goes very close to the truck. 71 00:04:31,433 --> 00:04:34,473 ♪♪ 72 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,200 When the bomb was finally finished, 73 00:04:37,233 --> 00:04:42,273 Timothy McVeigh headed South, on his way to Oklahoma City, 74 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:48,000 got within a two-hour range of it, and parked behind a motel, 75 00:04:48,033 --> 00:04:50,223 and he spent the night there. 76 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:58,220 ♪♪ 77 00:04:58,250 --> 00:05:02,250 Herbeck: McVeigh woke up totally focused on what he was doing. 78 00:05:02,283 --> 00:05:06,133 He was a soldier getting ready for his mission. 79 00:05:06,166 --> 00:05:09,066 He'd slept like a baby in the rental truck, 80 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:13,200 two feet in front of a 7,000-pound bomb. 81 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:23,200 He very carefully drove into Oklahoma City. 82 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:37,400 ♪♪ 83 00:05:37,433 --> 00:05:41,373 April 19, '95, started out just like any other morning. 84 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,180 It was a beautiful spring morning. 85 00:05:44,216 --> 00:05:47,166 I was working at Federal Employees Credit Union, 86 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,280 which was located in the Murrah Building downtown. 87 00:05:50,316 --> 00:05:52,416 I worked on the third floor, and at the time, 88 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:55,320 I was working as a Visa credit-card clerk. 89 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:58,220 The Murrah Building was a large federal building 90 00:05:58,250 --> 00:06:00,330 in downtown Oklahoma City. 91 00:06:00,366 --> 00:06:03,166 Had a lot of different federal offices, 92 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,330 everything from Social Security 93 00:06:05,366 --> 00:06:08,096 to Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms 94 00:06:08,133 --> 00:06:09,473 and a variety of things. 95 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,100 There was even a daycare center there. 96 00:06:13,133 --> 00:06:17,003 I spent the first hour actually chatting with all my friends 97 00:06:17,033 --> 00:06:18,403 and not working. 98 00:06:18,433 --> 00:06:23,123 I could have never imagined that something was gonna happen 99 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:27,120 that would change my life so drastically. 100 00:06:27,150 --> 00:06:30,280 Oak: On the morning of April 19, 1995, 101 00:06:30,316 --> 00:06:32,996 I was wearing a brand-new maternity dress. 102 00:06:33,033 --> 00:06:34,383 I was six months pregnant. 103 00:06:34,416 --> 00:06:36,216 I got to work that morning, 104 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:40,380 and I went up to my cubicle on the third floor. 105 00:06:40,416 --> 00:06:42,176 The building was right across the street 106 00:06:42,216 --> 00:06:44,276 from the Murrah Building. 107 00:06:44,316 --> 00:06:46,396 But I could never imagine what happened 108 00:06:46,433 --> 00:06:50,053 in the next few minutes could change my life forever. 109 00:06:50,083 --> 00:06:55,173 ♪♪ 110 00:07:03,233 --> 00:07:07,073 Potok: McVeigh has set up his truck with a double-fusing system. 111 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:09,320 One of those fuses is a five-minute fuse. 112 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:12,150 One is a 2-minute fuse. 113 00:07:12,183 --> 00:07:15,003 When he is 4 minutes or something like that away 114 00:07:15,033 --> 00:07:17,183 from the building, he leans down, 115 00:07:17,216 --> 00:07:20,476 and he lights the five-minute fuse. 116 00:07:21,016 --> 00:07:24,066 He's now getting very close to the building. 117 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:26,070 And he runs up on a red light. 118 00:07:32,316 --> 00:07:35,316 And the red light doesn't change. 119 00:07:35,350 --> 00:07:37,280 And it doesn't change. 120 00:07:37,316 --> 00:07:40,176 ♪♪ 121 00:07:40,216 --> 00:07:42,266 And he was really freaking out. 122 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:45,130 "Please let this light turn green." 123 00:07:57,466 --> 00:08:02,046 And the cabin starts filling up with smoke from the fuse. 124 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:19,180 Michel: And he starts walking away, 125 00:08:19,216 --> 00:08:22,276 heading toward an alleyway further up, 126 00:08:22,316 --> 00:08:24,376 and he's not looking back at the bomb. 127 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:31,320 He was walking for about a minute, thinking to himself, 128 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:34,220 "Is that bomb gonna go off or not?" 129 00:08:40,450 --> 00:08:47,020 ♪♪ 130 00:08:47,050 --> 00:08:49,470 Oak: That morning, I was sitting at my desk, 131 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,280 facing away from the window, and just busy, doing things. 132 00:08:54,316 --> 00:08:57,126 A sign-up sheet was going around for snack day, 133 00:08:57,166 --> 00:08:59,426 and I was trying to figure out what to bring. 134 00:08:59,466 --> 00:09:01,216 As it got close to 9:00, I thought, 135 00:09:01,250 --> 00:09:02,380 "okay, I really better get to work," 136 00:09:02,416 --> 00:09:04,396 and I ran to my desk and sat down 137 00:09:04,433 --> 00:09:07,153 and started to begin my day. 138 00:09:07,183 --> 00:09:13,003 ♪♪ 139 00:09:25,050 --> 00:09:28,030 Herbeck: McVeigh was walking for about a minute 140 00:09:28,066 --> 00:09:29,216 and thinking to himself, 141 00:09:29,250 --> 00:09:32,100 "Is that bomb gonna go off or not?" 142 00:09:32,133 --> 00:09:37,003 Every second feels like an hour, and he's thinking, 143 00:09:37,033 --> 00:09:40,383 "Am I gonna have to go back and shoot that bomb?" 144 00:09:40,416 --> 00:09:42,226 He put a bunch of explosives 145 00:09:42,266 --> 00:09:45,046 in one of the corners of the Ryder truck 146 00:09:45,083 --> 00:09:49,373 that he knew would ignite it if the fuses failed. 147 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,230 Potok: He walks across the street. 148 00:09:51,266 --> 00:09:55,026 As soon as he is in alley across the street, he starts to run. 149 00:09:55,066 --> 00:10:03,376 ♪♪ 150 00:10:03,416 --> 00:10:06,116 Downs: One of my coworkers, she's seven-months pregnant. 151 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:08,000 She's sitting down beside me. 152 00:10:08,033 --> 00:10:11,173 I took a phone call, was logging on my computer, 153 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,450 and getting ready to ask her, "What do you need?" 154 00:10:14,483 --> 00:10:17,033 When I turned to speak to her... 155 00:10:17,066 --> 00:10:23,126 [ Explosion ] 156 00:10:23,166 --> 00:10:27,326 ...all of a sudden, I heard this deafening, 157 00:10:27,366 --> 00:10:29,396 roaring noise in my head. 158 00:10:29,433 --> 00:10:32,323 ♪♪ 159 00:10:32,350 --> 00:10:38,450 I felt some kind of sensation going over my body, like a wave. 160 00:10:38,483 --> 00:10:42,323 I was kind of blown forward, and I hit my desk. 161 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:45,070 It was so loud, I thought I'd been shot 162 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:46,250 in the back of the head. 163 00:10:46,283 --> 00:10:48,353 And I felt this powerful rushing sensation, 164 00:10:48,383 --> 00:10:50,183 like I was falling, 165 00:10:50,216 --> 00:10:53,316 and I could hear people screaming all around me. 166 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:54,350 And I was falling. 167 00:10:54,383 --> 00:10:56,483 I was actually falling three floors. 168 00:10:57,016 --> 00:10:59,166 ♪♪ 169 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,300 And this woman was screaming right in my ear, 170 00:11:01,333 --> 00:11:04,023 "Jesus, help me! Jesus, help me!" 171 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:05,170 And then I realized that was me. 172 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,430 I didn't even recognize the sound of my own voice. 173 00:11:08,466 --> 00:11:12,246 And then, all of that stopped, and it was quiet. 174 00:11:12,283 --> 00:11:14,433 ♪♪ 175 00:11:14,466 --> 00:11:20,146 I looked up. I saw all the windows were gone. 176 00:11:20,183 --> 00:11:22,033 They were shattered. 177 00:11:22,066 --> 00:11:24,226 I was bleeding down the front of my face, 178 00:11:24,266 --> 00:11:27,146 and I didn't see a single soul. 179 00:11:27,183 --> 00:11:30,223 Downs: I lay there, wondering, "Am I dead or alive? 180 00:11:30,250 --> 00:11:31,400 What just happened?" 181 00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:34,483 My original thought was, "It's the end of the world, 182 00:11:35,016 --> 00:11:37,226 and this is it." 183 00:11:37,266 --> 00:11:40,426 ♪♪ 184 00:11:40,466 --> 00:11:44,176 McVeigh has a matter of seconds to get to his car, 185 00:11:44,216 --> 00:11:48,216 a yellow 1977 Mercury Marquis. 186 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:50,180 [ Engine sputtering ] 187 00:11:50,216 --> 00:11:54,216 And he turns it on, and it's grunting and groaning. 188 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:11,120 Finally, it burst to life. 189 00:12:11,150 --> 00:12:14,030 And McVeigh drives off closer to the speed limit 190 00:12:14,066 --> 00:12:15,466 than he'd ever driven in his life 191 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,080 and heads out of Oklahoma City. 192 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,200 Oak: I think I was in shock. 193 00:12:34,233 --> 00:12:36,173 I mean, I had lost a lot of blood. 194 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,130 I was disoriented. 195 00:12:38,166 --> 00:12:40,166 I just wanted to escape. 196 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,100 Instinct kind of took over, and I just got up and tried 197 00:12:43,133 --> 00:12:45,153 to make my way out of the building 198 00:12:45,183 --> 00:12:48,253 by crawling over all kinds of things that were in the way 199 00:12:48,283 --> 00:12:51,223 and then trying to make my way down the stairs. 200 00:12:51,250 --> 00:12:55,480 I had not felt my baby kick since the time of the explosion. 201 00:12:56,016 --> 00:13:01,366 I was thinking that she may not be okay. 202 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,230 We went out the front door, and it looked like a war zone. 203 00:13:05,266 --> 00:13:07,026 There were people -- 204 00:13:07,066 --> 00:13:09,466 ♪♪ 205 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,130 [ Inhales deeply ] 206 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:15,446 [ Voice breaking ] There were people just running everywhere. 207 00:13:15,483 --> 00:13:18,223 ♪♪ 208 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:22,330 And people screaming and bleeding. 209 00:13:22,366 --> 00:13:25,246 ♪♪ 210 00:13:25,283 --> 00:13:30,033 Man: There's glass, debris all over downtown Oklahoma City. 211 00:13:30,066 --> 00:13:32,476 Boy, it's just like an atomic bomb went off. 212 00:13:33,016 --> 00:13:34,146 The ceiling went in. 213 00:13:34,183 --> 00:13:35,333 All the windows came in. 214 00:13:35,366 --> 00:13:38,316 It was a deafening roar. 215 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:42,120 I was covered with glass. I didn't know what was going on. 216 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:44,480 Woman: I can't believe this is happening. 217 00:13:45,016 --> 00:13:47,196 All I know is I can't see anything. 218 00:13:47,233 --> 00:13:49,023 It is very hard to breathe. 219 00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:50,320 I can barely get air. 220 00:13:50,350 --> 00:13:52,300 I can't really move. 221 00:13:52,333 --> 00:13:54,023 I was actually still in my chair, 222 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:57,020 and I was upside down under about 10 feet of rubble. 223 00:13:57,050 --> 00:13:58,450 But I had no idea about any of that. 224 00:13:58,483 --> 00:14:02,333 I just knew I was buried. 225 00:14:02,366 --> 00:14:04,116 I heard a siren going off in the distance. 226 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:07,130 I decided I was still alive. 227 00:14:07,166 --> 00:14:09,446 And I started screaming for help. 228 00:14:09,483 --> 00:14:12,223 Fields: And all the sudden there was a call over the radio 229 00:14:12,250 --> 00:14:15,130 for everybody to evacuate the building. 230 00:14:15,166 --> 00:14:16,446 Man: Back! Go! Go! 231 00:14:16,483 --> 00:14:18,473 Get them back! Get them back! 232 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,130 We just found another bomb. 233 00:14:24,466 --> 00:14:28,296 Man 1: We just heard some loud explosion. 234 00:14:28,333 --> 00:14:33,203 We have a large column of smoke south of this. 235 00:14:33,233 --> 00:14:37,083 Man 2: We just had some kind of explosion downtown. 236 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:48,450 Flowers: It was about 9:00 that morning, 237 00:14:48,483 --> 00:14:53,303 and this incredible blast, this explosion, went off, 238 00:14:53,333 --> 00:14:55,183 and it shook the whole building. 239 00:14:55,216 --> 00:14:59,146 We had absolutely no idea what had happened. 240 00:14:59,183 --> 00:15:04,083 My first thought was that maybe an airline had crashed. 241 00:15:04,116 --> 00:15:06,446 [ People shouting indistinctly ] 242 00:15:06,483 --> 00:15:08,103 Fields: Fire station I was assigned to was 243 00:15:08,133 --> 00:15:11,073 about 15 blocks north of the Murrah Building. 244 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:13,030 It was about 9:00 a.m. 245 00:15:13,066 --> 00:15:17,026 We felt the station rattle. We heard the explosion. 246 00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:19,226 We looked back to the south, towards the downtown area, 247 00:15:19,266 --> 00:15:22,476 and that's when we saw the large plume of black smoke, 248 00:15:23,016 --> 00:15:25,476 and we immediately got on the rigs 249 00:15:26,016 --> 00:15:27,146 and self-dispatched ourselves. 250 00:15:27,183 --> 00:15:29,133 Didn't wait for the orders. 251 00:15:29,166 --> 00:15:31,026 Man: We've had an explosion. We need help. 252 00:15:31,066 --> 00:15:34,376 This is the fire department. 253 00:15:34,416 --> 00:15:36,096 I need some ambulances here. 254 00:15:36,133 --> 00:15:38,323 I got some critically hurt people. 255 00:15:38,350 --> 00:15:40,050 Woman: We're at 92 headquarters. 256 00:15:40,083 --> 00:15:44,153 We need ladders in the Southeast corner of the federal building. 257 00:15:44,183 --> 00:15:48,053 Evacuate people from the building. 258 00:15:48,083 --> 00:15:51,203 Man: We're still having some explosions in this fire. 259 00:15:51,233 --> 00:15:53,383 ♪♪ 260 00:15:53,416 --> 00:15:57,396 People were bleeding and holding rags and shirts 261 00:15:57,433 --> 00:16:00,053 and things against their faces. 262 00:16:00,083 --> 00:16:06,083 ♪♪ 263 00:16:06,116 --> 00:16:10,366 Man 1: Wow. Holy cow. 264 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,430 About a third -- About a third of the building 265 00:16:13,466 --> 00:16:16,246 has been blown away. 266 00:16:16,283 --> 00:16:19,353 Man 2: Look at the side of that -- just completely demolished. 267 00:16:19,383 --> 00:16:24,003 It looked like someone had taken and just cut out a horseshoe 268 00:16:24,033 --> 00:16:26,403 out of the side of that building. 269 00:16:26,433 --> 00:16:30,303 Man 1: And you can see just smoke and debris and fire 270 00:16:30,333 --> 00:16:31,383 on the ground. 271 00:16:31,416 --> 00:16:33,366 This is just devastating. 272 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,350 Man 3: There are no words to describe this scene. 273 00:16:38,383 --> 00:16:42,103 And I remember this crater that was there 274 00:16:42,133 --> 00:16:43,353 on that side of the building. 275 00:16:43,383 --> 00:16:46,023 It looked like about size of a swimming pool. 276 00:16:46,050 --> 00:16:49,480 That's when I realized this had to have been a bomb. 277 00:16:50,016 --> 00:16:54,046 And I immediately ran into that building. 278 00:16:54,083 --> 00:16:57,003 I could hear people crying and screaming 279 00:16:57,033 --> 00:16:59,123 and "Get me out of here! Get me out of here!" 280 00:16:59,150 --> 00:17:02,200 But you can't see them 'cause it's so dark. 281 00:17:02,233 --> 00:17:06,403 I could hear a very faint crying of a female voice, 282 00:17:06,433 --> 00:17:08,153 and I remember everybody screaming to each other 283 00:17:08,183 --> 00:17:10,173 "Be quiet! Be quiet! Be quiet!" 284 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,000 because we were trying to pinpoint 285 00:17:12,033 --> 00:17:13,223 where that voice was coming from 286 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:16,170 to try to dig through this rubble 287 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,050 until it finally faded totally away, and it was gone. 288 00:17:20,083 --> 00:17:24,203 And we all knew that this person probably had just died 289 00:17:24,233 --> 00:17:29,133 as we listened to her trying to cry for help. 290 00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:33,996 We set up triage right there and just started treating people. 291 00:17:34,033 --> 00:17:39,073 Clark: You saw the rescuers all around, trying to get into the building. 292 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:40,400 There were hook-and-ladder trucks, 293 00:17:40,433 --> 00:17:44,253 long ladder trucks trying to get up to the upper floors 294 00:17:44,283 --> 00:17:47,233 because people were still trapped in there. 295 00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:49,176 One of the guys that was on our rescue ladder 296 00:17:49,216 --> 00:17:51,196 extended it up rescuing a gentleman 297 00:17:51,233 --> 00:17:53,283 from one of the upper floors of the building. 298 00:17:53,316 --> 00:17:56,346 That kind of stuff went on all day. 299 00:17:56,383 --> 00:17:59,453 Concrete slabs were broken. 300 00:17:59,483 --> 00:18:02,183 They were as big as a bed of a pickup. 301 00:18:02,216 --> 00:18:04,416 You didn't just walk into a room. 302 00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:06,170 You crawled up, you crawled over, 303 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,350 you crawled around, and you crawled through. 304 00:18:08,383 --> 00:18:11,073 And that's what we did. 305 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,020 A firefighter had handed me a light. 306 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:15,350 I flipped that light on, and all the floors had pancaked 307 00:18:15,383 --> 00:18:17,273 right on top of each other. 308 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:22,350 So, you could see these circles of about 3 or 4 feet 309 00:18:22,383 --> 00:18:26,223 in diameter, circles everywhere of coagulated blood. 310 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:29,230 When we looked at these floors and this blood 311 00:18:29,266 --> 00:18:31,446 was coming down through the cracks, 312 00:18:31,483 --> 00:18:35,433 it actually looked like the floors were actually bleeding. 313 00:18:35,466 --> 00:18:38,046 But we knew what it was. 314 00:18:38,083 --> 00:18:43,323 That's when it really hit home what we were up against. 315 00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:46,030 Downs: I couldn't see. I couldn't move. 316 00:18:46,066 --> 00:18:48,096 It was hot. 317 00:18:48,133 --> 00:18:50,303 And there was a horrible smell. 318 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:52,373 Finally, I hear men's voices. 319 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,420 And they're saying, "Let's split up. 320 00:18:54,450 --> 00:18:57,120 Let's look for the daycare children." 321 00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:58,380 And I was really confused because 322 00:18:58,416 --> 00:18:59,416 I worked on the third floor, 323 00:18:59,450 --> 00:19:01,220 and the daycare was on the second floor. 324 00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:05,480 I didn't realize we were all at the bottom of the building. 325 00:19:06,016 --> 00:19:09,266 But I started screaming like crazy at this point, 326 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,120 and one of the men said, 327 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,380 "I hear you. We can't see you. 328 00:19:12,416 --> 00:19:14,216 We have to follow the sound of your voice. 329 00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:16,480 Keep talking to us." 330 00:19:17,016 --> 00:19:20,076 And, so, we keep yelling back and forth at each other 331 00:19:20,116 --> 00:19:23,246 until the voices get closer and closer and closer. 332 00:19:23,283 --> 00:19:25,023 My right hand was actually 333 00:19:25,050 --> 00:19:28,200 sticking out of the side of the rubble pile. 334 00:19:28,233 --> 00:19:31,123 And, so, one of the men brushed against my head, 335 00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:32,380 and I said, "that's me. That's me. 336 00:19:32,416 --> 00:19:34,026 I'm right here." 337 00:19:34,066 --> 00:19:38,026 At this point, I thought they were gonna grab my hand, 338 00:19:38,066 --> 00:19:40,216 one, two, three, pull me up and out. 339 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:41,450 But that's not what happened. 340 00:19:41,483 --> 00:19:44,333 Fields: And all of a sudden, there was a call over the radio 341 00:19:44,366 --> 00:19:48,226 for everybody to evacuate the building. 342 00:19:48,266 --> 00:19:51,096 I heard other voices, and they were screaming, 343 00:19:51,133 --> 00:19:52,303 "There's another bomb! There's another bomb! 344 00:19:52,333 --> 00:19:54,023 Everybody get out now!" 345 00:19:54,050 --> 00:19:56,050 Man: Get back! Go! Go! 346 00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,483 Get them back! Get them back! 347 00:19:58,016 --> 00:20:01,026 Downs: And my rescuer starting talking over the voices, saying, 348 00:20:01,066 --> 00:20:03,146 "Amy, we're gonna be right back." 349 00:20:03,183 --> 00:20:05,473 I began saying over and over again my name. 350 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,250 "Tell my husband I love him," because this was it. 351 00:20:08,283 --> 00:20:11,073 I was saying goodbye. 352 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:13,250 And they left, and I was alone. 353 00:20:13,283 --> 00:20:16,423 ♪♪ 354 00:20:16,450 --> 00:20:18,330 Hanger: As I turned on my emergency lights, 355 00:20:18,366 --> 00:20:20,316 I could tell the driver of this yellow 356 00:20:20,350 --> 00:20:22,200 Mercury saw me. 357 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,320 And he's thinking, "I could kill this guy if I want." 358 00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:36,996 Welcome back. 359 00:20:37,033 --> 00:20:38,433 A few minutes after first responders 360 00:20:38,466 --> 00:20:42,076 arrived at the Murrah Building in downtown Oklahoma City, 361 00:20:42,116 --> 00:20:46,116 reports of a second bomb sent everyone running for cover, 362 00:20:46,150 --> 00:20:49,280 forcing those still trapped inside to face 363 00:20:49,316 --> 00:20:52,426 their impending deaths on their own. 364 00:20:52,466 --> 00:20:56,326 ♪♪ 365 00:20:56,366 --> 00:20:58,216 Man 1: Go back -- another bomb. 366 00:20:58,250 --> 00:21:00,250 Go back! Get back! 367 00:21:00,283 --> 00:21:03,253 Man 2: Go! Go! Get them back! Get them back! 368 00:21:03,283 --> 00:21:07,053 Downs: I'm here, buried under feet of rubble. 369 00:21:07,083 --> 00:21:11,083 My reality was, "another bomb is getting ready to go off." 370 00:21:11,116 --> 00:21:13,366 They got a hot spot. Get them back! 371 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,220 ♪♪ 372 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:18,130 [ Crying ] 373 00:21:18,166 --> 00:21:19,296 Downs: And I can't leave. 374 00:21:19,333 --> 00:21:24,023 I was terrified because I realized my life was over. 375 00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:29,280 My life was over, and I never even lived it. 376 00:21:29,316 --> 00:21:32,446 And I was filled with regret. 377 00:21:32,483 --> 00:21:35,483 I remember one of the thoughts I had was 378 00:21:36,016 --> 00:21:38,396 that I was dying, and I'd never been a mother. 379 00:21:38,433 --> 00:21:42,203 And all of the sudden, in a split second, 380 00:21:42,233 --> 00:21:45,323 I had this horrible regret that I've never had a child. 381 00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:50,180 I started praying and begging God to let me live. 382 00:21:50,216 --> 00:21:52,146 And I thought about all the changes 383 00:21:52,183 --> 00:21:55,423 I would make, you know, if I could just have a second chance. 384 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,100 Ronan: Approximately 60 miles north of Oklahoma City, 385 00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:09,483 a state trooper named Charlie Hanger stumbles 386 00:22:10,016 --> 00:22:13,076 on the most-wanted man in America. 387 00:22:13,116 --> 00:22:16,196 On April 19, 1995, I'm within about a mile of 388 00:22:16,233 --> 00:22:18,303 where I'm going to exit off the interstate, 389 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:22,203 and I see this old, yellow Mercury. 390 00:22:22,233 --> 00:22:26,353 I noticed on the rear bumper, there was no license plate. 391 00:22:26,383 --> 00:22:28,273 As I turned on my emergency lights, 392 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,330 I could tell the driver 393 00:22:30,366 --> 00:22:32,996 of this old, yellow Mercury saw me. 394 00:22:34,466 --> 00:22:37,476 He was slowing down and pulling over. 395 00:22:38,016 --> 00:22:41,366 I opened my door, and I yelled for the driver to get out. 396 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,470 The door opens up, but he doesn't immediately get out. 397 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,220 The driver, he sits there thinking for a minute or two. 398 00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:52,270 And he's thinking, "I could kill this guy if I want" 399 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,350 because he has his Glock in his shoulder holster. 400 00:22:59,383 --> 00:23:02,023 At that very moment, he makes the decision, no, 401 00:23:02,050 --> 00:23:04,070 he's not gonna kill the officer. 402 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,450 He's gonna wait and see what happens. 403 00:23:06,483 --> 00:23:09,333 And a few seconds later, he stands up, 404 00:23:09,366 --> 00:23:11,276 begins walking toward me. 405 00:23:11,316 --> 00:23:15,026 ♪♪ 406 00:23:15,066 --> 00:23:16,276 I begin questioning him. 407 00:23:16,316 --> 00:23:19,116 I said, "Do you have a driver's license?" 408 00:23:19,150 --> 00:23:21,120 At that time, he goes to his right-rear pocket 409 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:22,450 to retrieve his billfold. 410 00:23:22,483 --> 00:23:25,433 He's just starting to pull his jacket back, 411 00:23:25,466 --> 00:23:27,466 and I noticed a bulge under his left arm 412 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,470 that I thought was a weapon. 413 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,370 It was not legal in the state of Oklahoma 414 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,450 to carry a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle at that time. 415 00:23:34,483 --> 00:23:37,423 And he looks me in the eye, and he says, "I have a weapon." 416 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:40,070 But I'm telling him at the same time, 417 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,220 "Get your hands and turn around." 418 00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:45,480 He says, "My weapon is loaded." 419 00:23:46,016 --> 00:23:48,066 At that time, I nudge him in the back of the head 420 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:51,300 with the barrel of my pistol, and I said, "Well, so is mine." 421 00:23:51,333 --> 00:23:54,083 And then I handcuffed him and put him in my patrol unit, 422 00:23:54,116 --> 00:23:56,316 and we started our trip to the Noble County Jail. 423 00:23:56,350 --> 00:23:59,420 ♪♪ 424 00:23:59,450 --> 00:24:01,200 We get to the Noble County Jail. 425 00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:05,373 That's a small jail, only one jailer on duty. 426 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,220 There is a television hanging on the wall. 427 00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:11,050 It's not supposed to happen here, but it did. 428 00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:12,453 And at times, I would see my prisoner 429 00:24:12,483 --> 00:24:15,403 looking up at the television and looking back down 430 00:24:15,433 --> 00:24:17,333 but never making any comments. 431 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,000 It's an amazing scene -- this little county jail. 432 00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:32,183 They have no idea who they have in custody. 433 00:24:32,216 --> 00:24:35,146 So, McVeigh sits there, you know, 434 00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:37,423 this anonymous, unknown guy, 435 00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:42,470 in a little jail in Oklahoma, waiting to go before a judge. 436 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,270 And all indications were that this young man, 437 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:48,250 the next day, would see a judge and then be released. 438 00:24:48,283 --> 00:24:51,203 Most people do bond out of jail on misdemeanor 439 00:24:51,233 --> 00:24:54,033 or traffic offenses by the next day. 440 00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:56,426 ♪♪ 441 00:24:56,466 --> 00:25:00,466 After probably about 45 minutes of having this life 442 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,300 flashing before my eyes, come-to-Jesus meeting, 443 00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:06,033 I hear voices, and they've come back. 444 00:25:06,066 --> 00:25:07,426 There was not a second bomb. 445 00:25:07,466 --> 00:25:10,016 Everybody started screaming at us, "Go back in." 446 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:11,320 They give us the all clear. 447 00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:14,080 Downs: They came back, and they began working to get me out. 448 00:25:14,116 --> 00:25:15,426 But I was stuck. 449 00:25:15,466 --> 00:25:20,116 Back in 1995, I weighed over 355 pounds. 450 00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:25,330 So, I'm sure it wasn't for them to get me out. 451 00:25:25,366 --> 00:25:29,276 And the area of the building where I was was very unstable. 452 00:25:29,316 --> 00:25:32,996 There was an emergency physician on standby 453 00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:35,423 that kept stopping to ask if they should amputate. 454 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:37,270 If they amputated my leg, 455 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:40,030 they could all get out quickly and safely. 456 00:25:40,066 --> 00:25:44,216 Instead, these men, these firemen, kept saying, 457 00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:46,420 "give us 20 more minutes. Give us 20 more minutes." 458 00:25:46,450 --> 00:25:49,170 Finally, they said, "we're gonna count to 3, 459 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,430 and we're gonna pull. This is probably gonna hurt." 460 00:25:53,466 --> 00:25:56,116 I came out from under the rubble for the first time, 461 00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:58,130 and every nerve in my body came alive. 462 00:25:58,166 --> 00:26:02,416 But I didn't care because I was free. 463 00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:05,300 I was buried alive 6 1/2 hours. 464 00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:09,423 I'll never forget that first breath of fresh air that I took. 465 00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:13,420 And I remember looking up at the sky and promising God, 466 00:26:13,450 --> 00:26:17,220 "I will never live my life the same." 467 00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:21,250 Man: In Oklahoma City, a possible breakthrough in the case. 468 00:26:21,283 --> 00:26:25,173 That one interview was a quantum leap in the investigation. 469 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,400 Man: The FBI released composite drawings of two suspects -- 470 00:26:28,433 --> 00:26:31,303 white males of medium build. 471 00:26:35,283 --> 00:26:38,083 ♪♪ 472 00:26:38,116 --> 00:26:40,216 Clinton: Let there be no room for doubt. 473 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:44,070 We will find the people who did this. 474 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:50,450 When we do, justice will be swift, certain, and severe. 475 00:26:50,483 --> 00:26:55,103 We have had hundreds, if not thousands, 476 00:26:55,133 --> 00:26:57,483 of leads from individuals 477 00:26:58,016 --> 00:27:00,266 calling in to reputed eyewitnesses. 478 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,200 Each one of those is treated very seriously. 479 00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,073 From the very start, people thought this was 480 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,180 a Middle-East connection. 481 00:27:08,216 --> 00:27:09,416 The Alfred Murrah -- this was following 482 00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:11,480 the World Trade Center bombing in New York City 483 00:27:12,016 --> 00:27:14,366 in February of 1993. 484 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,270 And that, in fact, was an Islamist attack. 485 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:18,470 Woman: So, your assessment, then, 486 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,400 probably is a Middle-East connection. 487 00:27:20,433 --> 00:27:22,353 I think there's a real possibility 488 00:27:22,383 --> 00:27:24,153 it was a Middle-Eastern group. 489 00:27:24,183 --> 00:27:26,223 I knew it was a truck bomb because of the crater 490 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:28,180 in front of the Murrah Building. 491 00:27:28,216 --> 00:27:30,296 If you got a big hole in the ground, 492 00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:33,123 you know it was delivered there by a truck. 493 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:37,330 So, the FBI start looking for pieces of the explosion. 494 00:27:37,366 --> 00:27:42,316 And the first thing we turned up was the axle for that truck. 495 00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:46,130 A twisted axle of what may have been the car with the explosives 496 00:27:46,166 --> 00:27:49,296 was found two blocks from the Federal Building. 497 00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:51,423 Clark: There's a VIN number on the truck axle. 498 00:27:51,450 --> 00:27:54,370 So, they're able to find out the make and model 499 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,270 and find out where the truck came from. 500 00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,130 That's a huge lead for us. 501 00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:02,026 And within an hour, we knew it was rented by Ryder. 502 00:28:02,066 --> 00:28:04,416 Ryder gave us the location where it was rented. 503 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:08,300 A place called Elliott's Body Shop in Junction City, Kansas. 504 00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:11,433 Man: Sources tell CNN that the vehicle used in the explosion 505 00:28:11,466 --> 00:28:14,076 was rented in Junction City, Kansas, 506 00:28:14,116 --> 00:28:17,066 about a 300-mile drive from Oklahoma City. 507 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:21,230 We went to Elliott's Body Shop. Dispatched agents up there. 508 00:28:21,266 --> 00:28:24,126 Potok: They're trying to get a description and a name, 509 00:28:24,166 --> 00:28:26,276 hopefully, of the person who rented the truck. 510 00:28:26,316 --> 00:28:28,296 Ronan: They found out that the truck had been rented 511 00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,333 by a guy by the name of Robert Kling. 512 00:28:30,366 --> 00:28:32,466 But all of his information was bogus -- 513 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,180 his address, his phone number, and the like. 514 00:28:36,216 --> 00:28:38,416 Potok: The FBI at Elliott's Body Shop, of course, 515 00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:40,220 interviews the employees, 516 00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:44,170 who believe they've seen whoever it was who rented the truck. 517 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,220 Coulson: The interviews where the truck was rented 518 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:50,050 revealed two people came into the establishment 519 00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:53,323 and rented a truck. 520 00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:55,300 Man: The day after the bombing of the federal building 521 00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:58,173 in Oklahoma City, a possible breakthrough 522 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,470 in the case. 523 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,030 The FBI released composite drawings of two suspects -- 524 00:29:03,066 --> 00:29:05,016 white males of medium build. 525 00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:09,130 Coulson: So, we called them John Doe number 1 and John Doe number 2. 526 00:29:09,166 --> 00:29:11,266 Kenney: Both of these men should be considered armed 527 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,070 and extremely dangerous. 528 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:15,400 Coulson: After we got the pictures, agents go out 529 00:29:15,433 --> 00:29:17,283 all over that part of the world 530 00:29:17,316 --> 00:29:21,176 and show the picture at every road stop, every hotel. 531 00:29:21,216 --> 00:29:22,476 Potok: One of those teams 532 00:29:23,016 --> 00:29:26,076 winds up at a place called the Dreamland Motel, 533 00:29:26,116 --> 00:29:28,316 which is run by a woman named Lee McGowan. 534 00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:30,250 Coulson: When the agents went to the motel, 535 00:29:30,283 --> 00:29:32,023 they showed both pictures. 536 00:29:32,050 --> 00:29:36,120 The FBI came in and showed me some drawings, and I stated, 537 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:40,070 "This picture looks similar like a client who stayed here." 538 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,480 The only one that the manager identified 539 00:29:42,016 --> 00:29:43,376 was John Doe number 1. 540 00:29:43,416 --> 00:29:47,296 McGowan: And he was, very friendly, very outgoing, smiled, 541 00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,433 and he paid in cash. 542 00:29:49,466 --> 00:29:52,276 And then comes this remarkable moment, 543 00:29:52,316 --> 00:29:54,276 really, the break in the case, 544 00:29:54,316 --> 00:29:58,466 where Lee McGowan shows the agents her guest register, 545 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000 and, lo and behold, the man who had rented the Ryder truck 546 00:30:03,033 --> 00:30:07,023 had signed the register "Tim McVeigh." 547 00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,200 Coulson: So, it was a huge jump in the investigation. 548 00:30:09,233 --> 00:30:11,233 Now we know who we're looking for. 549 00:30:11,266 --> 00:30:14,196 Why he used his own name there I will never know. 550 00:30:14,233 --> 00:30:17,003 But sometimes we hope that the people we're chasing 551 00:30:17,033 --> 00:30:20,173 are not as smart as they should be. 552 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,480 Ronan: Investigators found another clue on the register 553 00:30:23,016 --> 00:30:26,176 at the Dreamland Motel, one that put Terry Nichols, 554 00:30:26,216 --> 00:30:31,396 the man who helped Tim McVeigh build the bomb, on the radar. 555 00:30:31,433 --> 00:30:34,003 Coulson: We had an address based on his registration card 556 00:30:34,033 --> 00:30:35,333 at the Dreamland Motel. 557 00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:37,416 Potok: McVeigh had put down on the register 558 00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:42,050 as his home address the address in Michigan 559 00:30:42,083 --> 00:30:43,423 of Terry Nichols' brother. 560 00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:45,220 Rowan: McVeigh had actually lived there 561 00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:47,420 with the Nichols brothers a while back. 562 00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:49,280 Coulson: We immediately dispatched agents 563 00:30:49,316 --> 00:30:51,446 to Decker, Michigan, to see where it's gonna lead. 564 00:30:51,483 --> 00:30:58,133 ♪♪ 565 00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:01,146 Potok: Terry Nichols is at home in Herington, Kansas, 566 00:31:01,183 --> 00:31:05,373 and sees this on TV and is frightened to death. 567 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,470 You know, Nichols somehow thought 568 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,470 he was just gonna kind of slide away from this thing. 569 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,350 Coulson: He's thinking, "I better go talk to these guys. 570 00:31:13,383 --> 00:31:17,153 He rushes into the police station and gives himself up. 571 00:31:17,183 --> 00:31:21,033 Man: He came into the station at approximately 2:30 today. 572 00:31:21,066 --> 00:31:25,016 He identified himself as Terry Lynn Nichols 573 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,220 and that he had seen his name on TV. 574 00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:30,170 So, at this point, the FBI agents are thinking, 575 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,250 "could this be our John doe number 2?" 576 00:31:32,283 --> 00:31:35,323 Coulson: The agents took his picture back to the same place 577 00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:37,300 that the Van Was rented from. 578 00:31:37,333 --> 00:31:39,283 The guy said, "No, that's not the guy." 579 00:31:39,316 --> 00:31:41,376 ♪♪ 580 00:31:41,416 --> 00:31:44,026 He was not John Doe number 2. 581 00:31:44,066 --> 00:31:46,416 ♪♪ 582 00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:49,020 At that point, of course, they had no idea 583 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:51,070 where in the world is Timothy McVeigh. 584 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,220 Ronan: They don't realize that their guy, 585 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:58,030 their suspect, is sitting in a jail in Perry, Oklahoma, 586 00:31:58,066 --> 00:31:59,446 less than two hours away. 587 00:31:59,483 --> 00:32:02,223 Potok: He is about to be brought before the judge, 588 00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:04,400 who is, undoubtedly, going to make 589 00:32:04,433 --> 00:32:06,153 some kind of bond arrangement 590 00:32:06,183 --> 00:32:08,023 and let him drive off into the sunset. 591 00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:10,030 But for the FBI, they're man hunters, 592 00:32:10,066 --> 00:32:11,216 and the first thing they did 593 00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:15,150 was do a national crime information center search to see 594 00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:17,473 if he'd contact with law enforcement. 595 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,330 And we found out shortly after the bombing, 596 00:32:20,366 --> 00:32:25,246 an Oklahoma highway patrolman, Charles Hanger, arrested him. 597 00:32:25,283 --> 00:32:27,383 Man: He was in the process of being led to the courthouse 598 00:32:27,416 --> 00:32:30,116 for a bond hearing when that phone call was made 599 00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:33,100 and could have walked free in as little as 30 minutes. 600 00:32:33,133 --> 00:32:36,073 ♪♪ 601 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,270 We jumped in the helicopter 602 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:39,430 and flew up there as fast as we could get there. 603 00:32:39,466 --> 00:32:42,226 So, we went in and confronted him. 604 00:32:53,033 --> 00:32:54,333 They said, "Do you know why we're here?" 605 00:32:54,366 --> 00:32:57,246 And he says, "it's about that thing in Oklahoma City." 606 00:32:57,283 --> 00:32:59,433 Clark: Had this whole investigation 607 00:32:59,466 --> 00:33:01,476 been delayed a few hours, 608 00:33:02,016 --> 00:33:04,426 Timothy McVeigh probably would have been gone. 609 00:33:04,466 --> 00:33:07,326 Hanger: I've always said that it was divine intervention 610 00:33:07,366 --> 00:33:10,266 that put all those things in place. 611 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:13,100 ♪♪ 612 00:33:13,133 --> 00:33:17,283 Clark: The word gets out that the person arrested for this 613 00:33:17,316 --> 00:33:20,116 is in the jail in Perry, Oklahoma. 614 00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:22,330 And people start gathering in the area 615 00:33:22,366 --> 00:33:26,226 outside the courthouse, waiting for him. 616 00:33:26,266 --> 00:33:28,426 Man: The Noble County Courthouse in Perry, Oklahoma, 617 00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:32,366 was ringed with police officers and several hundred spectators, 618 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,270 all in anticipation of seeing Timothy McVeigh. 619 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:40,320 And then the door opens, and out walks Timothy McVeigh 620 00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:44,080 in an orange jumpsuit. 621 00:33:44,116 --> 00:33:47,116 Potok: This wasn't evil Muslims. 622 00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:49,420 These weren't people who believed in some religion 623 00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:51,230 that we don't like. 624 00:33:51,266 --> 00:33:54,246 A blue-eyed, fair-haired American boy 625 00:33:54,283 --> 00:33:56,273 had been found to be the perpetrator. 626 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:59,070 This was, you know, the neighbor of all of us. 627 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,100 Downs: I remember being in the hospital, 628 00:34:09,133 --> 00:34:11,433 and the nurses were all crowded around a TV, 629 00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:17,046 and the realization hit me that...a person did this. 630 00:34:17,083 --> 00:34:20,233 Like, a person did this. 631 00:34:20,266 --> 00:34:24,276 I really could not wrap my mind around that. 632 00:34:24,316 --> 00:34:32,216 I was just in disbelief that somebody would want to cause 633 00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:36,230 so much destruction and ruin so many lives. 634 00:34:41,316 --> 00:34:44,376 Man: A nationwide search is continuing 635 00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,466 for a second suspect in the bombing. 636 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,220 He's known only as John Doe number 2, 637 00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:52,250 a white male, medium build, with brown hair 638 00:34:52,283 --> 00:34:54,233 and a tattoo on his left arm. 639 00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:56,116 In the course of the following months, 640 00:34:56,150 --> 00:34:57,470 there are people all over the country 641 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,300 who claim they know who John Doe number 2 is. 642 00:35:00,333 --> 00:35:02,223 [ Telephone ringing ] 643 00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:04,050 FBI hotline. 644 00:35:04,083 --> 00:35:07,303 Man: The FBI continues to receive leads phoned in by the public. 645 00:35:07,333 --> 00:35:13,083 This winds up being an incredible pain for the FBI. 646 00:35:13,116 --> 00:35:19,076 In the end, the FBI finds that a particular soldier 647 00:35:19,116 --> 00:35:22,396 went to Elliott's Body Shop on the day after McVeigh 648 00:35:22,433 --> 00:35:25,453 was there to do his own business. 649 00:35:25,483 --> 00:35:30,073 And he matched that John Doe 2 picture. 650 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:33,250 Ronan: There was never any John Doe number 2. 651 00:35:33,283 --> 00:35:36,103 Turned out it was just a case of mistaken identity. 652 00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:39,123 But there were many people who believed that 653 00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:42,170 for something as diabolical as this act 654 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,330 was that there had to be more people involved. 655 00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:10,273 After McVeigh was arrested, we were assigned to learn 656 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,050 everything we could about his background, 657 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:15,053 his family, his friends. 658 00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:19,003 I was immediately sent over to Tim McVeigh's home, 659 00:36:19,033 --> 00:36:20,323 where his dad lived. 660 00:36:20,350 --> 00:36:22,420 There was a horde of federal agents, 661 00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:26,220 state police, surrounding Bill McVeigh's house. 662 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:30,420 And there was dozens and dozens of members of the media, 663 00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:34,000 and nobody was getting to Bill McVeigh. 664 00:36:34,033 --> 00:36:35,453 Everyone was in a state of shock. 665 00:36:35,483 --> 00:36:38,323 They did not believe that Tim McVeigh, 666 00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:40,250 this all-American kid, 667 00:36:40,283 --> 00:36:44,423 was capable of something that horrible. 668 00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:47,020 It's just -- It's unbelievable. 669 00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:48,220 He was never a harmful person. 670 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:51,000 He was -- He was pretty much to himself. 671 00:36:51,033 --> 00:36:54,333 He was very quiet and liked children. 672 00:36:54,366 --> 00:36:56,076 Neighbors would bring up the fact 673 00:36:56,116 --> 00:36:59,066 that "He would babysit for me." 674 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:02,200 It didn't seem that there was a mean bone in his body. 675 00:37:02,233 --> 00:37:05,483 He had a deep sensitivity about him, 676 00:37:06,016 --> 00:37:11,246 and that sensitivity would later play against him. 677 00:37:11,283 --> 00:37:16,253 His dad worked in a factory. His mother was a travel agent. 678 00:37:16,283 --> 00:37:22,133 He had two sisters, and they were all close in a sense. 679 00:37:22,166 --> 00:37:25,266 But Tim McVeigh did not have an idyllic childhood. 680 00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,350 There was a lot of fighting going on. 681 00:37:33,016 --> 00:37:35,246 And they tried to provide a good, stable home, 682 00:37:35,283 --> 00:37:39,403 but Tim's mother had moved out and moved to Florida, 683 00:37:39,433 --> 00:37:41,433 and she took the two girls with her. 684 00:37:41,466 --> 00:37:44,076 He stayed with his father, who he was not close to. 685 00:37:44,116 --> 00:37:49,146 His father was a very taciturn, kind of shy, interned man. 686 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:06,350 McVeigh was hassled, bullied by other kids. 687 00:38:13,466 --> 00:38:16,346 He was a kid who spent all of this time by himself, 688 00:38:16,383 --> 00:38:20,273 immersed himself in science fiction, in comic books, 689 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,030 "Star Trek"-type stories. 690 00:38:23,066 --> 00:38:28,126 And that really seemed in a way to kind of become his world. 691 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:30,426 You know, so, this is an alienated kid, 692 00:38:30,466 --> 00:38:35,016 someone who doesn't get much from either of his parents 693 00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:38,300 and doesn't have many people in the world at all. 694 00:38:38,333 --> 00:38:40,183 But McVeigh did have one person in the world 695 00:38:40,216 --> 00:38:41,316 he could confide in. 696 00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:44,180 That was his grandfather, Ed McVeigh. 697 00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:52,430 And I think some of Tim McVeigh's happiest moments 698 00:38:52,466 --> 00:38:56,996 of his childhood were being out in the woods 699 00:38:57,033 --> 00:38:59,203 with his grandfather 700 00:38:59,233 --> 00:39:02,483 and the grandfather teaching him all about guns. 701 00:39:03,016 --> 00:39:04,246 Potok: His grandfather, Eddie McVeigh, 702 00:39:04,283 --> 00:39:08,133 was a hunter who initially introduced Tim McVeigh 703 00:39:08,166 --> 00:39:10,066 to guns and to hunting. 704 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,470 Ronan: Tim McVeigh learned how to hunt and fire a rifle, 705 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,180 and he became quite a good shot at a young age. 706 00:39:16,216 --> 00:39:18,126 Potok: So, McVeigh, as he got older, 707 00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:21,416 began to read all kinds of radical literature. 708 00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:25,180 He got more into "Soldier of Fortune" magazine 709 00:39:25,216 --> 00:39:27,126 and kind of survivalist ideas, 710 00:39:27,166 --> 00:39:30,216 and a lot of that was through his grandfather. 711 00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:32,350 Ronan: After McVeigh graduates from high school, 712 00:39:32,383 --> 00:39:36,073 he does manage to find himself a couple of part-time jobs. 713 00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,100 He's working now for an armored-car company, 714 00:39:40,133 --> 00:39:44,233 and he's doing overnight shifts at the zoo in Buffalo 715 00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:46,216 as a security guard. 716 00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:49,320 But nothing is really clicking with him, 717 00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:53,400 and he decides that he needs some direction. 718 00:39:59,383 --> 00:40:01,433 One day he comes home, and he tells his father, 719 00:40:01,466 --> 00:40:04,146 "Dad, I'm going in the Army." 720 00:40:04,183 --> 00:40:06,403 And his father says, "When?" "Tomorrow." 721 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:16,150 McVeigh looked at it as free ammo to shoot guns. 722 00:40:16,183 --> 00:40:18,473 He is fascinated by weapons. 723 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,280 And the Army is the ultimate storehouse for weaponry. 724 00:40:24,316 --> 00:40:27,046 He really kind of flourished in the Army. 725 00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:30,373 He was the ultimate gung-ho soldier. 726 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,080 He'd get up an hour early, before anyone else, 727 00:40:34,116 --> 00:40:37,346 and start getting ready for an inspection. 728 00:40:37,383 --> 00:40:41,223 When other soldiers were finished for the day, 729 00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:44,050 McVeigh would throw on his knapsack. 730 00:40:44,083 --> 00:40:46,003 He'd be hiking around the base. 731 00:40:46,033 --> 00:40:49,183 And more than anything else, McVeigh is a good shot. 732 00:40:49,216 --> 00:40:50,416 For the first time in his life, 733 00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:54,230 he really belonged to something that he was proud of. 734 00:40:54,266 --> 00:40:57,996 ♪♪ 735 00:40:58,033 --> 00:41:01,283 Then the first Gulf War happens, and he goes over there. 736 00:41:01,316 --> 00:41:04,076 And the script is kind of flipped on him. 737 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,020 Herbeck: He started to realize that America, 738 00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:14,450 in his mind, was the biggest, meanest, 739 00:41:14,483 --> 00:41:17,373 cruelest bully in the entire world. 740 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,470 Potok: More and more, he's getting wrapped up 741 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,370 in their conspiracy theories. 742 00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:32,180 ♪♪ 743 00:41:32,216 --> 00:41:34,996 After Timothy McVeigh was arrested, 744 00:41:35,033 --> 00:41:37,233 deputies found a packet of anti-government literature 745 00:41:37,266 --> 00:41:40,066 in his getaway car that he claimed he left behind 746 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,350 to help shed light on his motive for the bombing. 747 00:41:42,383 --> 00:41:47,233 But years later, McVeigh decided to explain everything himself. 748 00:41:47,266 --> 00:41:49,146 In a shocking prison interview, 749 00:41:49,183 --> 00:41:52,353 he describes his twisted interpretation of justice. 750 00:41:52,383 --> 00:41:54,423 So, what was it that McVeigh says 751 00:41:54,450 --> 00:41:58,130 turned a high-school misfit into a monster? 752 00:41:58,166 --> 00:42:00,096 That's coming up in the second hour 753 00:42:00,133 --> 00:42:01,473 of "How It Really Happened." 754 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,080 I'm Hill Harper. 755 00:42:03,116 --> 00:42:05,296 Thanks for watching. 60126

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