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The thing that I remember about
her was that if I would frown,
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she would look at me and say,
"Dad, I don't like that face."
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And I'd smile and she'd say,
"That's better."
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That's just the way she was.
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She loved her daddy.
She loved her daddy.
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She was daddy's girl.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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The day after Christmas 1996,
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JonBenét Ramsey
became a household name.
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The story of the 6-year-old
beauty queen
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sparked a media frenzy that had
journalists, attorneys,
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police and the public
poring over every detail
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of one of the most bizarre
crimes in recent history.
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Nearly two years later,
the investigation
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was at a standstill.
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Many thought the only way
to get answers
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was through a grand jury.
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But like everything else
about this story,
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even that was complicated.
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Take a look.
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♪♪
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It is a shocking story
that spanned the globe,
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the murder of a 6-year-old
beauty queen
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found dead in the basement
of her Boulder home
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the day after Christmas, 1996.
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It was certainly a bizarre case
from the beginning with a child
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suddenly turning up dead
inside the house
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and no explanation
for how it happened.
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It's a story that's drawn
everyone from the tabloids
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to "The New York Times"
to this mountainside town.
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It's a story that intrigues,
fascinates, even nauseates.
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The murder of JonBenét
started as a kidnapping,
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and it started
on the morning of Christmas.
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The Ramseys woke up early
that day
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because they were supposed
to go on a family trip.
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John: We were to leave early
that morning, fly to Michigan.
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King:
Morning after Christmas?
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Morning after.
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The first thing I remember
is waking up,
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getting dressed hurriedly,
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putting a few things
together to take on the plane.
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This about what time?
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It's early morning,
before daylight.
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You're up?
Mm-hmm.
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Then what happens?
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Then I go down
the spiral staircase,
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and there on one
of the runs of the stair
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is the 3-page ransom note.
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It said, "Mr. Ramsey,
we have your daughter."
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And I immediately
ran back upstairs
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and pushed open her door
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and she was not in her bed,
and I screamed for John.
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The note said
their 6-year-old daughter
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had been kidnapped
from her bedroom overnight
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but would be returned
in exchange for $118,000.
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We thought we were dealing
with a kidnapping.
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King: Fearing the worst.
Patsy: The police arrived.
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Absolute-- you don't know
whether you're going to see
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your daughter in an hour,
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in a day, in a year,
in 10 years or never.
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It's a horrible feeling.
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And what are you doing,
Patsy?
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Are you waiting for a phone call
from the kidnapper?
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Is that what you --
Right, yes.
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Costello: Hours go by
and the kidnapper doesn't call,
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but there's still a lot
going on inside that house.
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We had victims'
advocates there.
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We had uniformed police.
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We had detectives.
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People were in the kitchen
making sandwiches.
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I mean, it was --
there was -- it was chaos.
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There were people
fingerprinting.
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There was fingerprint dust
everywhere.
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Evidence crews there.
It was zoo-like.
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A nightmare.
It was a little zoo-like.
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So around lunchtime, there was
one detective left.
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Her name was Linda Arndt,
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and she notices that
John Ramsey is restless.
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It's my understanding
that Linda Arndt
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had pulled one of John's
friends aside and said,
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"John is pacing and he needs
something to occupy his time.
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I'm going to suggest
that you search the house.
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Would you go with him?"
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John:
We started in the basement,
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and we were just looking,
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and, uh, we have one room
in the basement
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that there are no windows
in the -- that room.
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When I opened the door
and turned the light on...
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...she was down there.
It was her.
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Hill: John picked up
his daughter's body
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and carried her up the stairs,
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and that's when
the real questions began.
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What transpired there
when they found the body
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changed the whole perspective
of what we were looking at.
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We were no longer looking
at a straight kidnapping.
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We were looking at now
a homicide.
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She was tortured.
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A garrote was put around
her neck twice
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and pulled tight enough
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that it left deep marks
in her neck.
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She was hit in the head
with something.
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They never were sure
what it was,
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but it was 8 1/2 inches long.
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The injury she sustained,
the skull injury,
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was more like her being thrown
against some larger object,
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like the edge of a bathtub,
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the rounded edge
of a pedestal sink,
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something like that.
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This child had a cracked skull.
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This child had
sexual penetration,
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choked, bruised.
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This was sick.
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Zesbaugh:
It was like a game of "Clue."
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Everybody involved could have
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had something to do
about this murder.
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They were either involved
in killing her
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or in covering it up.
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This investigation really
got down to one thing --
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was someone inside
the house responsible
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for the death
of this little girl or did --
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did someone break in?
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Camerota:
A lot of the detectives
who were working this case
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felt that the evidence
pointed to an inside job.
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Man: Although at first,
the murder looked like
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a botched kidnapping,
the Ramseys were suspected.
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There was, for example,
no clear sign of forced entry,
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no footprints in the snow.
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I don't buy into
the stranger theory
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because of what I saw
in that house.
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I don't think anybody
left the house.
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Camerota: The most obvious point
of entry
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was this window in the basement,
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and it was open,
and police looked at it
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and they thought that that would
be the obvious point of entry.
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However, there were cobwebs
on this window,
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and police concluded
that these cobwebs
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would have been disturbed,
but, in fact, they were intact.
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So somebody crawling down
in there
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could not have
gotten down in there
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without disturbing the cobwebs.
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The police were obviously
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looking at the Ramseys
at this point
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and then so was
the rest of the world
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because the media got ahold
of these videotapes of JonBenét
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in all of these beauty contests,
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and that was a point
of fascination.
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They don't seem shook-up enough.
They don't seem broke-up enough.
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Just the whole situation
seems really odd
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because of, um,
the way that her childhood was,
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and I don't think
it was normal at all.
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I feel they should have
questioned
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the parents right away.
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Why they didn't, I don't know.
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Woman 2: Most of the American
public knows your daughter
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through glamour shots
from pageants.
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John: Yeah.
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In hindsight, do you wish
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that she had not
participated in that?
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Those were
beautiful pictures.
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I'm so happy that we have
those pictures.
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That's all that we have.
Those were memories.
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Yeah, that was --
that was just one very small
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part of JonBenét's life.
Yeah.
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That was a few
Sunday afternoons.
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But you know the criticism
I'm talking about.
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I know, I know.
People are accusing you
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of dressing her up
like a little adult.
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Was there any inappropriate
behavior going on at home?
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Absolutely not.
No.
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Velez-Mitchell: The Ramseys were
getting a lot of flak
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for these beauty pageants
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they had put their child into,
but their friends were saying,
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"Could they have killed
their child?
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Absolutely no way."
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Griffin:
I didn't find any criticism
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with anything that they did.
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They just really are warm,
wonderful,
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loving people who have gone
through way more
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than anybody should have ever
had to face in their life.
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This case was so polarizing
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and so many people
were really demanding
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that there be a grand jury.
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So when the district attorney
finally said,
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"Yes, we're going to convene
a grand jury,"
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phew,
there was a lot of relief.
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For the next 13 months,
the grand jury would hear
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testimony highlighting
every detail.
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But the question -- what was
fact, and what was fantasy?
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The grand jury investigating
the murder of JonBenét Ramsey
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was chosen in May of last year,
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but the panel didn't meet
for the first time
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until September 15, 1998.
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The grand jury has been deciding
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if there is probable
cause to believe
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someone has committed a crime.
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The grand jury hearings in
this JonBenét Ramsey case were,
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of course, behind closed doors,
but we have a pretty good idea
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of the evidence
that they heard in there.
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Walker: I guess the thing that
really jumps out at me
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is the ransom note
and how incongruous,
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how just extraordinarily odd
that thing is in the context
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of what a real kidnapping
should look like.
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"Speaking to anyone about
your situation, such as police,
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FBI, et cetera, will result in
your daughter being beheaded."
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There were multiple references
in there saying that, "Look.
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If you call anybody, we're going
to kill your daughter."
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Camerota: "If we catch you
talking to a stray dog,
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she dies.
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If you alert bank authorities,
she dies."
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Warning after warning
that if he contacts anyone,
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the daughter is going
to be killed.
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Yet Patsy Ramsey calls 911,
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but she doesn't tell the police
that the note says,
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"They're going to kill JonBenét
if I call the police."
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I read it very fast.
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I was out of my mind.
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It said don't call the police,
and I told Patsy,
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"Call the police immediately."
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I can't believe that a family
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whose child
has just been kidnapped
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would not take pains
to carefully read that note,
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to make sure that they do
nothing that results in harm
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befalling their daughter.
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There were some details
in that note
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and about the note that
raised further suspicions.
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"You will withdraw $118,000
from your account."
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$118,000?
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Which later we find out
is the exact bonus
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that John Ramsey got that year
from his company,
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Access Graphics,
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so only a few people
would have that information.
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It wasn't just the amount
of ransom
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that was kind of suspicious.
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It was the fact that this note
was written on a page torn
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from Patsy Ramsey's
own notepad.
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When you tear something, no two
things are going to tear alike.
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Even if you take two sheets
of paper and tear them together,
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they're going to have separate
and distinct
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tear patterns
associated with them.
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You put them back together
and the puzzle fits.
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Man: An alleged ransom note
was written on a pad of paper
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from inside the house,
and some investigators
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thought that the handwriting
looked like Patsy's.
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King: Would you agree
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that whoever
authored the ransom note
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probably killed the child?
John: I would agree.
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I totally agree
that whoever --
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whoever wrote this ransom note
killed our daughter.
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Yes,
I concur wholeheartedly.
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From what we understand that
the handwriting people
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were able to eliminate John
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as being the writer
of that note
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and were not totally able
to eliminate Patsy.
259
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They weren't -- they didn't say
that she did wrote it.
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Let me make it very clear.
261
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But they said that they couldn't
say that she didn't write it.
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Camerota:
Patsy's natural writing
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did not look
like the ransom note,
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and we learned
that experts said
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that it is very hard
to disguise your handwriting.
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It's possible, but it's
really hard to do.
267
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But there was -- there was
another piece of evidence
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that the grand jury heard that
related right back to Patsy.
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Man 2: The rope used to choke
JonBenét was tightened
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with a paintbrush
from her mother's hobby kit.
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If you believe Patsy Ramsey did
this to her daughter, JonBenét,
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you have to believe
that Patsy took a cord,
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put it around her neck,
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then broke a paintbrush
into three pieces,
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took one of those pieces
and secured it to the cord,
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making what's commonly
known as a garrote,
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and then pulled that cord
very hard and strangled her.
278
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I'm absolutely convinced that
it was a sadistic psychopath
279
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that did this,
not Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey.
280
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Camerota: The grand jury heard
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all of the really
horrible details of the autopsy,
282
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and one detail in there
really stood out.
283
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Woman 3: JonBenét had pineapple
that had been recently ingested
284
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or eaten before she died.
285
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The interesting thing
about the pineapple,
286
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there wasn't any pineapple
served at the Christmas party
287
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where they had been
the night before,
288
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and then the Ramseys claimed
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JonBenét was asleep
when she got home.
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And they put her right to bed,
and she never woke up,
291
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and yet it's
my understanding
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there was pineapple
on the kitchen table in a bowl,
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so that piece of evidence,
for instance,
294
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may be important if you think
somebody lied to the police
295
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about what was given to them
or what happened with JonBenét.
296
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Police found another
potential inconsistency
297
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in the Ramsey story
related to that 911 call.
298
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Dispatcher:
What's going on there, ma'am?
299
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Patsy:
We have a kidnapping.
300
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Velez-Mitchell: The Ramseys had
always claimed
301
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that their son, Burke,
302
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had been asleep
at the time of the 911 call,
303
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but then police
discovered a clue
304
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that showed that the son, Burke,
might have been awake.
305
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Take a deep breath, please.
Hurry, hurry, hurry.
306
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Patsy, Patsy, Patsy,
Patsy, Patsy?
307
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There were a few seconds
at the end of the 911 call
308
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where Patsy thought
she had hung up...
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...but the police
had it in hand,
310
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and they thought they heard
the sound of another voice.
311
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We do know, based on
an evaluation of the 911 tape,
312
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that Burke's voice is on there
saying, "What did you say?"
313
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Or "What did he say?"
Or something to that nature.
314
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This is after, of course,
315
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Ramseys denied
that Burke was even awake.
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He was asleep.
317
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Police also say
digital enhancement
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indicates
that Burke was awake
319
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and asking questions
when you called 911.
320
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Well, some police claim
they think they hear that.
321
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We would challenge the police
to release that tape.
322
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Make it all public.
Let's make it public.
323
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We'd like to hear that tape.
We've never heard it.
324
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That is not
our recollection
325
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of what happened
that morning.
326
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If that was Burke's voice
on the 911 call,
327
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meaning he was awake,
328
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why wouldn't the Ramseys
just admit that?
329
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And that led to speculation
about Burke's involvement.
330
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Remember, he was only
9 years old at the time.
331
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Woman 4: I have heard some
votes for the younger child,
332
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the little boy who was
in the house, too,
333
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as possible --
an accident.
334
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But I just don't --
335
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I mean, if we're going to
throw out who is in the house --
336
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I remember that becoming
talk-show fodder,
337
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that maybe this little boy
had either accidentally
338
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or on purpose hit JonBenét
over the head
339
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and then this was a cleanup job,
essentially,
340
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by the family
so that their little boy
341
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wouldn't be in trouble
with the law.
342
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We know that one of the last
people to testify
343
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before the grand jury
was JonBenét's older brother,
344
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Burke Ramsey.
345
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As anybody been cleared,
cleared?
346
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Well, Burke has been.
Burke has been.
347
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There's no doubt Burke
did not do it, right?
348
00:15:57,050 --> 00:15:58,230
That's definitive.
Absolutely.
349
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So way back at the beginning
of this case,
350
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when tabloids said otherwise,
they got sued,
351
00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,230
and I believe they settled,
paying large amounts of money.
352
00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:10,296
Burke Ramsey has nothing
to do with this case.
353
00:16:10,333 --> 00:16:13,233
People wanted to know
if the Ramseys were lying
354
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or they were covering
something up
355
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or were they the victims
of some psychopathic killer,
356
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and the truth
was nobody knew.
357
00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:23,470
None of it makes sense.
358
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It just simply doesn't.
359
00:16:27,033 --> 00:16:31,053
This case have too many
questions, but few answers.
360
00:16:31,083 --> 00:16:34,123
It was up to the grand jury
to decide.
361
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Certainly no easy task.
362
00:16:36,166 --> 00:16:39,246
And then finally, finally,
we got our answer.
363
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There has apparently been
a major development
364
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in the grand jury investigation
365
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in the murder
of JonBenét Ramsey.
366
00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:47,250
How is it exactly that you think
that I killed my daughter?
367
00:16:47,283 --> 00:16:49,433
-What's the motive?
-I just cannot understand that.
368
00:16:49,466 --> 00:16:52,096
I want to hear it
from start to finish.
369
00:16:56,016 --> 00:16:57,416
There has apparently been
a major development
370
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in the grand jury investigation
371
00:16:59,116 --> 00:17:00,376
of the murder
of JonBenét Ramsey.
372
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Woman 5: D.A. Alex Hunter we
see now walking down,
373
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surrounded by cameras
and microphones
374
00:17:05,466 --> 00:17:08,176
on his way to the podium
to hold a news conference.
375
00:17:08,216 --> 00:17:10,066
When Alex Hunter announced
376
00:17:10,100 --> 00:17:13,300
what he was going to do
about the grand jury's decision,
377
00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:18,253
it was a beautiful,
spectacular Colorado day.
378
00:17:18,283 --> 00:17:24,423
Blue skies and hordes
and hordes of media,
379
00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:30,130
and he got up to the podium
and he thanked the grand jury.
380
00:17:30,166 --> 00:17:34,466
The grand jurors have done
their work extraordinarily well.
381
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,150
But at this time, he was not
going to indict either John
382
00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:40,383
or Patsy Ramsey.
383
00:17:40,416 --> 00:17:43,416
I and my prosecution task force
384
00:17:43,450 --> 00:17:47,070
believe we do not have
sufficient evidence
385
00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:51,050
to warrant the filing
of charges against anyone
386
00:17:51,083 --> 00:17:54,303
who has been investigated
at this time.
387
00:17:56,333 --> 00:17:57,453
Grant:
This is not a happy day.
388
00:17:57,483 --> 00:17:59,203
Yesterday
was not a happy day.
389
00:17:59,233 --> 00:18:02,133
There is no satisfaction
here in Boulder.
390
00:18:02,166 --> 00:18:04,126
There was no smoking gun
in this case.
391
00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:06,366
You know, we didn't have a gun
with Patsy's fingerprints on it,
392
00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,100
or we didn't have a knife
with John's fingerprints on it.
393
00:18:09,133 --> 00:18:11,173
We didn't have
anything like that.
394
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,270
Zesbaugh: I think there was a
collective feeling of, "Oh, no.
395
00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:17,180
This thing is never
going to be solved.
396
00:18:17,216 --> 00:18:20,166
If the D.A. doesn't think
there's enough evidence there
397
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,320
to go after someone
398
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:25,150
and get a conviction
in this case, this case is lost.
399
00:18:25,183 --> 00:18:28,273
We're never going to know
who murdered this little girl."
400
00:18:28,300 --> 00:18:30,370
You know, it's been a mess
from the day one,
401
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,100
so it looks like
it's going to stay a mess.
402
00:18:34,133 --> 00:18:37,173
It's probably just --
just going to wither away.
403
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,230
This leaves a very bad taste
404
00:18:39,266 --> 00:18:41,276
in everybody's mouth
in this town right now.
405
00:18:41,316 --> 00:18:44,366
Within 6 months, the Ramseys
came out with a book
406
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,180
telling their story.
407
00:18:46,216 --> 00:18:48,046
It's a great pleasure
to welcome the Ramseys
408
00:18:48,083 --> 00:18:49,323
to this edition
of "Larry King Live."
409
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:50,480
It is a live appearance.
410
00:18:51,016 --> 00:18:53,276
Their book is "The Death
of Innocence," just published.
411
00:18:53,316 --> 00:18:55,066
They are the co-authors.
412
00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:57,170
Camerota: And this other guy,
Steve Thomas,
413
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,350
who had been
a detective on the case,
414
00:18:59,383 --> 00:19:01,283
came out with his book,
415
00:19:01,316 --> 00:19:04,426
and his book was all about
how the Ramseys were guilty.
416
00:19:04,466 --> 00:19:07,166
Steve Thomas resigned from
the Boulder police department,
417
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,430
claiming, "we have failed
a little girl named JonBenét."
418
00:19:10,466 --> 00:19:12,476
Now Thomas has written a book
on the case,
419
00:19:13,016 --> 00:19:16,096
"JonBenét: Inside the Ramsey
Murder Investigation."
420
00:19:16,133 --> 00:19:18,323
Then a couple of months later,
in May of 2000,
421
00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:20,330
the Ramseys go head-to-head
422
00:19:20,366 --> 00:19:23,366
with this Steve Thomas
on "Larry King."
423
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,450
Patsy, you could have been
arrested in this case.
424
00:19:25,483 --> 00:19:28,403
I wish I had been and then
we would have
425
00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:30,053
had a free and fair trial
426
00:19:30,083 --> 00:19:33,073
and you would have met
your Waterloo, Mr. Thomas.
427
00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:34,350
Are you saying that you --
you would have --
428
00:19:34,383 --> 00:19:35,453
Let her
answer the question, John.
429
00:19:35,483 --> 00:19:37,103
Let me ask you
this question, Steve.
430
00:19:37,133 --> 00:19:38,183
You have assaulted
my wife.
431
00:19:38,216 --> 00:19:39,316
Why won't you let your wife
answer the question?
432
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:40,320
Because you have
assaulted her.
433
00:19:40,350 --> 00:19:42,000
You've called her
a murderer.
434
00:19:42,033 --> 00:19:44,323
How is it exactly that you think
that I killed my daughter?
435
00:19:44,350 --> 00:19:47,000
What's the motive?
I just cannot understand that.
436
00:19:47,033 --> 00:19:49,083
I want to hear it
from start to finish.
437
00:19:49,116 --> 00:19:51,076
Patsy, I wasn't there.
Tell me exactly...
438
00:19:51,116 --> 00:19:54,116
You were home that night,
and apparently you say you --
439
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:55,270
Tell me what happened,
Mr. Thomas.
440
00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:57,120
You can't -- you can't say
for certainty.
441
00:19:57,150 --> 00:19:58,400
You were
in the house, right?
442
00:19:58,433 --> 00:20:00,123
Yes, I most certainly was.
Am I --
am I assuming right?
443
00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:01,220
Answer my question, please.
444
00:20:01,250 --> 00:20:03,030
King: Certainly
he wasn't there.
445
00:20:03,066 --> 00:20:04,116
He has a theory.
He has to have a theory.
446
00:20:04,150 --> 00:20:05,220
He has accused us
of murder.
447
00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:06,250
What is your theory?
448
00:20:06,283 --> 00:20:07,403
Thomas:
And you've heard the theory.
449
00:20:07,433 --> 00:20:09,283
I've -- I've offered
a hypothesis.
450
00:20:09,316 --> 00:20:11,376
I have not heard the theory.
Please answer my question.
451
00:20:11,416 --> 00:20:13,126
I think there was
a toileting issue
452
00:20:13,166 --> 00:20:15,326
that night that has been
dismissed and underplayed.
453
00:20:15,366 --> 00:20:16,396
King: Okay, a toileting --
explain.
454
00:20:16,433 --> 00:20:18,283
A -- a bed-wetting
or a toileting issue.
455
00:20:18,316 --> 00:20:20,426
That caused Patsy get mad
at her daughter?
456
00:20:20,466 --> 00:20:22,066
Absolutely.
457
00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:24,150
-Steve Thomas, you are so --
-So in other words,
458
00:20:24,183 --> 00:20:26,133
she killed her daughter
in a rage
459
00:20:26,166 --> 00:20:30,126
over the bed-wetting
and then garroted her?
460
00:20:30,166 --> 00:20:33,176
It was, like, great television,
I guess, but --
461
00:20:33,216 --> 00:20:37,346
but there's a dead kid
here in this story.
462
00:20:37,383 --> 00:20:42,173
I mean, it's a terrible tragedy,
and we got this circus going on.
463
00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:48,300
Man 3: The address of what was
the Ramsey home in Boulder
464
00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:50,023
has been changed.
465
00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:52,350
The family has moved to Atlanta.
466
00:20:52,383 --> 00:20:56,103
But one thing has not changed
in 5 years.
467
00:20:56,133 --> 00:20:59,483
JonBenét's killer remains
at large.
468
00:21:00,016 --> 00:21:02,246
For many years in the 2000s,
469
00:21:02,283 --> 00:21:04,253
the case just wasn't
going anywhere.
470
00:21:04,283 --> 00:21:06,153
There were just dead ends.
471
00:21:06,183 --> 00:21:08,423
Then in 2006,
472
00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:11,400
the case suddenly became
headline news all over again.
473
00:21:13,416 --> 00:21:15,116
King: The latest tragic turn
474
00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:18,130
in the most sensational child
murder mystery of our time --
475
00:21:18,166 --> 00:21:21,126
JonBenét Ramsey's mother,
Patsy Ramsey,
476
00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:23,276
laid to rest yesterday
after losing her
477
00:21:23,316 --> 00:21:26,376
13-year battle with cancer.
478
00:21:26,416 --> 00:21:29,066
Woodward:
She started with ovarian cancer.
479
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:31,030
She became free of that.
480
00:21:31,066 --> 00:21:35,066
It resurfaced as abdominal
cancer and spread to her brain,
481
00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:38,120
and she ultimately
died of brain cancer.
482
00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:39,270
Zesbaugh: I think if you're one
of those people
483
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:41,380
that believe that Patsy Ramsey
was somehow involved
484
00:21:41,416 --> 00:21:44,446
with either the murder
or the cover-up of her daughter,
485
00:21:44,483 --> 00:21:49,133
that when she died,
that secret died with her.
486
00:21:49,166 --> 00:21:52,266
Woodward:
I do remember when she died,
487
00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:55,420
that one of
the district attorneys
488
00:21:55,450 --> 00:21:58,200
who was with a group
of police officers said,
489
00:21:58,233 --> 00:22:01,333
"Well, we're kind of feeling
that it goes full circle.
490
00:22:01,366 --> 00:22:03,146
She got what she deserved."
491
00:22:03,183 --> 00:22:05,203
I said, "You know, that's
a really horrible thing to say.
492
00:22:05,233 --> 00:22:10,223
You don't know if she
killed her daughter."
493
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:13,220
And then within weeks
of Patsy's death,
494
00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:17,150
there was a huge break
in the case.
495
00:22:17,183 --> 00:22:18,333
Breaking news tonight.
496
00:22:18,366 --> 00:22:20,266
After a decade-long
investigation,
497
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:23,180
an arrest in the
JonBenét Ramsey murder case.
498
00:22:27,016 --> 00:22:29,096
Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
499
00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:31,273
It's no secret that most
police investigators believed
500
00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:34,130
Patsy Ramsey was involved
in her daughter's death.
501
00:22:34,166 --> 00:22:36,276
So when she died
in August of 2006,
502
00:22:36,316 --> 00:22:39,046
they likely assumed
the case would die with her.
503
00:22:39,083 --> 00:22:41,233
But just 7 weeks
after Patsy's death,
504
00:22:41,266 --> 00:22:44,176
a new suspect emerged
seemingly out of the blue,
505
00:22:44,216 --> 00:22:45,446
and the focus
of the police investigation
506
00:22:45,483 --> 00:22:48,003
shifted back
to the intruder theory.
507
00:22:50,050 --> 00:22:51,030
Breaking news tonight.
508
00:22:51,066 --> 00:22:53,126
After a decade-long
investigation,
509
00:22:53,166 --> 00:22:56,416
an arrest in the
JonBenét Ramsey murder case.
510
00:22:56,450 --> 00:23:01,200
Lacy:
John Mark Karr, 41 years old,
511
00:23:01,233 --> 00:23:04,333
was arrested for the murder
of JonBenét Ramsey
512
00:23:04,366 --> 00:23:07,276
yesterday morning
at approximately 6:00 a.m.
513
00:23:07,316 --> 00:23:09,416
in Bangkok, Thailand.
514
00:23:09,450 --> 00:23:12,280
John: It's a day we have been
waiting for for 10 years,
515
00:23:12,316 --> 00:23:15,446
and I hope this is
a first major step
516
00:23:15,483 --> 00:23:18,183
in really drawing this
to a conclusion.
517
00:23:18,216 --> 00:23:19,346
Woman 6: A stunning confession
518
00:23:19,383 --> 00:23:21,123
from the man arrested
in Thailand
519
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:23,470
for the murder
of JonBenét Ramsey.
520
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,150
I was with JonBenét
when she died.
521
00:23:26,183 --> 00:23:29,103
Her death was an accident.
522
00:23:29,133 --> 00:23:31,383
So here was this guy.
He was a teacher.
523
00:23:31,416 --> 00:23:34,376
He was in Thailand,
and he surfaces out of the blue
524
00:23:34,416 --> 00:23:39,096
and confesses to the murder
of JonBenét Ramsey.
525
00:23:39,133 --> 00:23:41,233
When we saw that picture,
that first picture
526
00:23:41,266 --> 00:23:44,466
of John Mark Karr,
my initial reaction was,
527
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,220
"Well, that's not
what I expected."
528
00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:50,120
He was a slight man,
a petite man,
529
00:23:50,150 --> 00:23:52,220
sort of delicate features,
530
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:55,120
not what you would think about
when you're thinking --
531
00:23:55,150 --> 00:23:57,250
worried about the boogeyman
breaking into your house
532
00:23:57,283 --> 00:23:58,473
and this intruder theory.
533
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,200
He wasn't the intruder
that I had in my mind.
534
00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:04,433
Mainly what we know about this
guy is that we don't know much.
535
00:24:04,466 --> 00:24:06,176
His name didn't come up
in the beginning
536
00:24:06,216 --> 00:24:07,996
of all these investigations.
537
00:24:08,033 --> 00:24:10,153
He's a bit of a blank page
to everybody out there,
538
00:24:10,183 --> 00:24:12,223
even those of us who have
covered this case
539
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:14,470
very, very closely.
540
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080
Prendergast: Karr was a guy
who had been obsessed
541
00:24:17,116 --> 00:24:19,226
with the JonBenét case
for many years,
542
00:24:19,266 --> 00:24:21,096
so much so that I think
some of his relatives
543
00:24:21,133 --> 00:24:22,403
thought he was writing
a book about it.
544
00:24:22,433 --> 00:24:27,483
I loved JonBenét,
and she died accidentally.
545
00:24:28,016 --> 00:24:30,226
So the Boulder district attorney
546
00:24:30,266 --> 00:24:32,396
has this guy arrested
in Thailand,
547
00:24:32,433 --> 00:24:35,353
John Mark Karr,
flies him back to the U.S.
548
00:24:35,383 --> 00:24:37,103
for questioning.
549
00:24:37,133 --> 00:24:39,483
Woman 7: With immigration and
customs enforcement agents
550
00:24:40,016 --> 00:24:42,046
at his side, murder suspect
John Mark Karr
551
00:24:42,083 --> 00:24:44,133
made the 15-hour journey
from Bangkok
552
00:24:44,166 --> 00:24:48,226
to Los Angeles Sunday
aboard a Thai Airways jet.
553
00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:51,146
He's going to be fingerprinted
and photographed.
554
00:24:51,183 --> 00:24:53,373
We will make his
mug shot available.
555
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,000
[ Indistinct conversations ]
556
00:24:57,033 --> 00:25:00,153
So the district attorney
is very optimistic
557
00:25:00,183 --> 00:25:03,373
that they have finally
found JonBenét's killer,
558
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,170
but there were others
connected to the case
559
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,170
who were more skeptical.
560
00:25:10,366 --> 00:25:13,196
There was still a huge faction
of the American public
561
00:25:13,233 --> 00:25:15,403
that believed the family
was somehow involved.
562
00:25:15,433 --> 00:25:17,123
This felt like it tied it up
563
00:25:17,150 --> 00:25:20,030
with a bow a little bit
too neatly for people, I think.
564
00:25:20,066 --> 00:25:22,996
Bob Grant, what do you make
of all of this?
565
00:25:23,033 --> 00:25:27,433
Larry, it's another bizarre
turn in a bizarre case.
566
00:25:27,466 --> 00:25:29,066
I'm withholding judgment
567
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,130
until I see the results
of the DNA test.
568
00:25:31,166 --> 00:25:33,176
I think
that tells the story.
569
00:25:33,216 --> 00:25:38,396
I always knew that whatever
this guy had to say
570
00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:40,083
wasn't going to hold water
571
00:25:40,116 --> 00:25:44,146
unless he was the source
of that DNA in the panties.
572
00:25:44,183 --> 00:25:46,233
There was a tiny amount
of unidentified DNA
573
00:25:46,266 --> 00:25:49,166
on the waistband of
JonBenét Ramsey's long johns.
574
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,230
Physical evidence is what's
going to rule the day.
575
00:25:51,266 --> 00:25:54,376
Physical evidence is what's
going to close this case.
576
00:25:54,416 --> 00:25:56,446
Hill: If the DNA
on JonBenét's waistband
577
00:25:56,483 --> 00:25:58,303
was a match
with John Mark Karr,
578
00:25:58,333 --> 00:26:00,433
well, then, police
have their killer.
579
00:26:08,233 --> 00:26:12,483
The D.A. tests this
little teeny bit of DNA
580
00:26:13,016 --> 00:26:14,446
that was found
on JonBenét's waistband
581
00:26:14,483 --> 00:26:17,483
against John Mark Karr's DNA,
582
00:26:18,016 --> 00:26:21,066
waiting for the big connection
583
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,480
and found
that they didn't match.
584
00:26:24,016 --> 00:26:27,476
So after all of the drama
and all the effort
585
00:26:28,016 --> 00:26:31,096
that went into
arresting this guy,
586
00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:34,483
they then concluded
he didn't do it.
587
00:26:35,016 --> 00:26:37,266
Woman 8: Court documents show
investigators were unable
588
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:40,080
to place Karr in Boulder
at the time of the murder,
589
00:26:40,116 --> 00:26:42,476
his family claiming he was
with them in Georgia
590
00:26:43,016 --> 00:26:45,176
and most importantly, Karr's DNA
591
00:26:45,216 --> 00:26:47,296
just tested
at Denver's crime lab
592
00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:50,373
was not a match to the DNA
found on JonBenét.
593
00:26:52,316 --> 00:26:54,246
PRENDERGAST: I think
he may have welcomed
594
00:26:54,283 --> 00:26:55,323
a lot of the attention.
595
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:57,430
I don't know why someone
would confess to a crime
596
00:26:57,466 --> 00:26:59,116
they didn't commit
597
00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:03,250
unless they just basically
wanted to be famous or infamous.
598
00:27:03,283 --> 00:27:04,453
I can't speak to his motives,
599
00:27:04,483 --> 00:27:08,183
but he was still confessing
after the D.A.'s office
600
00:27:08,216 --> 00:27:12,016
had pretty much satisfied itself
that he wasn't the guy.
601
00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:16,130
He wanted his, as Andy Warhol
said, 15 minutes of fame.
602
00:27:16,166 --> 00:27:18,246
This is a terrible way
to go about getting it.
603
00:27:18,283 --> 00:27:21,153
Grant:
Turned out he was just a nutcase
604
00:27:21,183 --> 00:27:22,383
who needed a ride
back from Thailand
605
00:27:22,416 --> 00:27:26,316
and got one at the expense
of the state.
606
00:27:26,350 --> 00:27:28,400
Man 4: With that, Karr becomes
simply a man
607
00:27:28,433 --> 00:27:31,223
obsessed with the murder
of JonBenét Ramsey
608
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:35,280
who fabricated a story and tried
to transplant himself into it.
609
00:27:35,316 --> 00:27:39,126
As for the case,
it remains unsolved.
610
00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:43,226
John Mark Karr walks free.
611
00:27:43,266 --> 00:27:48,326
What was the Colorado
district attorney thinking?
612
00:27:48,366 --> 00:27:50,346
Prendergast: She said he was
a credible suspect,
613
00:27:50,383 --> 00:27:53,303
and I don't think
he was ever a credible suspect.
614
00:27:53,333 --> 00:27:56,073
You know, there should have been
some effort to determine
615
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,070
whether he was even in Colorado
when this happened.
616
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:00,080
Mr. Karr.
617
00:28:00,116 --> 00:28:02,446
It was a tremendous
embarrassment
618
00:28:02,483 --> 00:28:04,483
for the Boulder D.A.'s office.
619
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:06,326
Tremendous,
and the person at the time
620
00:28:06,366 --> 00:28:08,126
who was in charge
was Mary Lacy.
621
00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:12,016
It was a huge, huge gaffe
on her part.
622
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:15,030
Now, to her credit,
I will say this.
623
00:28:15,066 --> 00:28:18,076
She held, I think, the mother
of all news conferences
624
00:28:18,116 --> 00:28:22,066
and stayed and answered,
you know, every question once,
625
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,450
you know,
she realized she was wrong.
626
00:28:24,483 --> 00:28:26,453
I want to make it
absolutely clear up front.
627
00:28:26,483 --> 00:28:28,153
The decisions were mine.
628
00:28:28,183 --> 00:28:29,423
The responsibility is mine,
629
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:33,470
and I should be held accountable
for all decisions in this case.
630
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,130
Last night as I was
preparing to leave,
631
00:28:36,166 --> 00:28:39,446
I received a telephone call
from a gentleman in Longmont.
632
00:28:39,483 --> 00:28:42,073
He said, "You should be tarred
and feathered
633
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,170
and run out of town."
634
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,220
And it's not just one.
635
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:46,170
There were a lot of calls
like that.
636
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:51,130
After the John Mark Karr fiasco,
637
00:28:51,166 --> 00:28:54,046
the story went quiet
for a few years.
638
00:28:54,083 --> 00:28:56,223
In 2008, the case was back
in the news
639
00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:59,230
when new technology was used
to retest the clothes
640
00:28:59,266 --> 00:29:02,446
that JonBenét Ramsey was wearing
the night she was murdered.
641
00:29:05,333 --> 00:29:09,103
Grace: Tonight newly discovered
DNA evidence emerges
642
00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:12,423
by use of a new and highly
sensitive DNA procedure
643
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:15,030
called touch DNA.
644
00:29:15,066 --> 00:29:17,226
Will it finally crack
the murder case
645
00:29:17,266 --> 00:29:21,346
of 6-year-old Colorado
beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey?
646
00:29:23,316 --> 00:29:25,216
The DNA profile that we obtained
647
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:27,220
is attributed
to an unknown male.
648
00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:31,180
Man 9: Newly discovered DNA
evidence does not match
649
00:29:31,216 --> 00:29:34,296
any Ramsey family member.
650
00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:36,473
Velez-Mitchell:
That same district attorney
651
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,180
who arrested John Mark Karr
652
00:29:38,216 --> 00:29:42,076
also gave a lot more weight
than her critics did
653
00:29:42,116 --> 00:29:45,476
to new DNA testing,
and based on that,
654
00:29:46,016 --> 00:29:51,066
she formally exonerated
the entire Ramsey family.
655
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:52,400
Man 9: The Boulder D.A. has
released a letter
656
00:29:52,433 --> 00:29:55,473
officially clearing the Ramsey
family of any involvement
657
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,400
in the December 1996 death
of the 6-year-old.
658
00:29:58,433 --> 00:30:01,083
The DNA from the male
did not match anyone
659
00:30:01,116 --> 00:30:03,376
in law enforcement
DNA databases.
660
00:30:05,233 --> 00:30:08,103
Velez-Mitchell: "This new
scientific evidence convinces us
661
00:30:08,133 --> 00:30:09,353
that it is appropriate,
662
00:30:09,383 --> 00:30:11,403
given the circumstances
of this case,
663
00:30:11,433 --> 00:30:15,283
to state that we do not consider
your immediate family,
664
00:30:15,316 --> 00:30:19,146
including you, your wife, Patsy,
and your son, Burke,
665
00:30:19,183 --> 00:30:23,123
to be under any suspicion in
the commission of this crime."
666
00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:25,370
I look at it as a congratulatory
letter to the Ramseys.
667
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,320
"Congratulations!
You're off the hook."
668
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:29,380
So good day for John Ramsey,
good day for Patsy,
669
00:30:29,416 --> 00:30:32,076
that they have a prosecutor
now on record
670
00:30:32,116 --> 00:30:34,396
as saying
that the prosecutor believes
671
00:30:34,433 --> 00:30:38,003
that there is physical evidence
that someone else did it
672
00:30:38,033 --> 00:30:40,003
and that the parents
weren't involved.
673
00:30:41,483 --> 00:30:43,233
Hill:
What Mary Lacy did next was,
674
00:30:43,266 --> 00:30:46,146
she actually apologized
to the Ramsey family
675
00:30:46,183 --> 00:30:49,303
for them ever being
considered suspects.
676
00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:51,303
"To the extent that we may
have contributed
677
00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:53,283
in any way
to the public perception
678
00:30:53,316 --> 00:30:55,996
that you might have been
involved in this crime,
679
00:30:56,033 --> 00:30:57,233
I am deeply sorry.
680
00:30:57,266 --> 00:30:59,246
No innocent person should have
to endure
681
00:30:59,283 --> 00:31:03,103
such an extensive trial
in the court of public opinion."
682
00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:06,083
There are a lot of people who
question whether this touch DNA
683
00:31:06,116 --> 00:31:07,446
was enough to clear
these people,
684
00:31:07,483 --> 00:31:11,233
much less apologize to them.
685
00:31:11,266 --> 00:31:14,466
I was unimpressed with the
decision to write the letter,
686
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120
and I was unimpressed
with the letter,
687
00:31:17,150 --> 00:31:21,270
and from what I know
about touch DNA,
688
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,450
it simply is not reliable enough
689
00:31:24,483 --> 00:31:27,323
to support the kind of decision
690
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:31,080
that was made
by District Attorney Lacy.
691
00:31:31,116 --> 00:31:33,996
Woodward: Those who did not like
it that she had written
692
00:31:34,033 --> 00:31:37,033
that letter said,
693
00:31:37,066 --> 00:31:40,076
"Hey, if it is proven
to be the Ramseys,
694
00:31:40,116 --> 00:31:42,396
you've written
a letter of apology.
695
00:31:42,433 --> 00:31:45,223
How are we going to take this
to court?"
696
00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:47,430
I think the case had many
more serious problems
697
00:31:47,466 --> 00:31:50,146
than that letter.
698
00:31:50,183 --> 00:31:51,423
Camerota: So that was it.
699
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:56,200
After a dozen years of being
under the microscope,
700
00:31:56,233 --> 00:32:01,153
then the entire Ramsey family
was in the clear,
701
00:32:01,183 --> 00:32:05,403
but that was about
to change in a big way.
702
00:32:05,433 --> 00:32:08,053
Bombshell tonight
in the last hours.
703
00:32:08,083 --> 00:32:09,303
We get proof.
704
00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:14,303
A Colorado grand jury votes
to indict JonBenét's parents,
705
00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:17,023
John and Patsy Ramsey.
706
00:32:23,083 --> 00:32:26,133
Camerota:
After the Ramsey family
was officially cleared
707
00:32:26,166 --> 00:32:30,416
by this district attorney,
then the case goes cold again.
708
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:34,470
And then in 2013,
709
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,330
this local
news reporter gets a tip,
710
00:32:37,366 --> 00:32:41,116
and he finds out
that the grand jury decision
711
00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:45,130
14 years earlier
was not what it seemed.
712
00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:48,300
Zesbaugh: So a reporter on
the case, Charlie Brennan,
713
00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:50,073
said,
"I want to see the records.
714
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,230
I want to see what the grand
jury did in secret,"
715
00:32:52,266 --> 00:32:54,126
because he had been hearing
from grand jurors
716
00:32:54,166 --> 00:32:58,066
who said they did decide
to indict in the case.
717
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,170
Costello: So that reporter,
Charlie Brennan,
718
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,170
he wanted to get ahold
of the grand jury's decision,
719
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,070
but to do that, he had
to sue the D.A.'s office.
720
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,030
Zesbaugh: And I don't think most
of us could believe it.
721
00:33:09,066 --> 00:33:12,366
He won, and they unsealed those
grand jury records in 2013,
722
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,170
and we got to see
the indictment for ourselves.
723
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,230
It was quite illuminating.
724
00:33:18,266 --> 00:33:20,046
This morning,
we have new details
725
00:33:20,083 --> 00:33:21,323
in the case
of JonBenét Ramsey.
726
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:24,100
A local paper,
"The Boulder Daily Camera,"
727
00:33:24,133 --> 00:33:26,133
reports that
a grand jury voted
728
00:33:26,166 --> 00:33:28,176
to indict John
and Patsy Ramsey
729
00:33:28,216 --> 00:33:30,996
for abuse that led
to JonBenét's death.
730
00:33:31,033 --> 00:33:34,353
Woman 10: But the district
attorney declined to prosecute.
731
00:33:34,383 --> 00:33:36,333
Costello: So what that means is
the grand jury
732
00:33:36,366 --> 00:33:39,226
decides to indict the Ramseys,
733
00:33:39,266 --> 00:33:41,366
but the D.A. discards
their decision
734
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,420
and decides not to proceed.
735
00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:46,030
Man 5: The grand jury said
both of the girl's parents,
736
00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:48,116
John and Patsy...
737
00:34:03,050 --> 00:34:06,420
This was explosive because
it totally contradicted
738
00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:09,070
what Alex Hunter,
the D.A. at the time,
739
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:12,030
had actually told people
back in 1999.
740
00:34:12,066 --> 00:34:15,046
I and my prosecution task force
741
00:34:15,083 --> 00:34:18,203
believe we do not have
sufficient evidence
742
00:34:18,233 --> 00:34:22,133
to warrant the filing of charges
against anyone
743
00:34:22,166 --> 00:34:26,216
who has been investigated
at this time.
744
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:27,320
Hill:
Alex Hunter essentially
745
00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:30,070
decided to veto
the grand jury's decision.
746
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,320
Now, prosecutors do have
that option,
747
00:34:32,350 --> 00:34:34,120
but the issue here
is a lot of people
748
00:34:34,150 --> 00:34:36,480
felt he hadn't been
entirely up-front.
749
00:34:37,016 --> 00:34:38,276
The public was misled.
750
00:34:38,316 --> 00:34:41,366
We were told that the grand jury
met for all these months
751
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,030
and there was no indictment,
but, in fact, the grand jury
752
00:34:45,066 --> 00:34:48,146
had wanted to file charges
in this case.
753
00:34:48,183 --> 00:34:50,153
That was something that was
kept away from the public
754
00:34:50,183 --> 00:34:52,053
for more than a decade.
755
00:34:52,083 --> 00:34:54,333
Zesbaugh: Yeah. It'd be
fascinating to know
756
00:34:54,366 --> 00:34:55,996
what they found out
757
00:34:56,033 --> 00:34:58,433
because the grand jury
interviewed so many people.
758
00:34:58,466 --> 00:35:00,126
The judge took a look at it
759
00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:04,426
and decided only to release
4 pages of some 18 pages
760
00:35:04,466 --> 00:35:07,346
because they were the ones
with the basic charges on them
761
00:35:07,383 --> 00:35:11,183
and the ones that were signed
by the grand jury foreman.
762
00:35:11,216 --> 00:35:15,146
So what was in those 14 pages
that wasn't released
763
00:35:15,183 --> 00:35:17,153
when all this other information
was released
764
00:35:17,183 --> 00:35:18,403
about the grand jury meeting?
765
00:35:18,433 --> 00:35:20,003
I wonder if we'll ever see that.
766
00:35:20,033 --> 00:35:21,333
It would be fascinating.
767
00:35:21,366 --> 00:35:23,016
What else don't we know?
768
00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:25,050
I mean, where's the rest
of these pages
769
00:35:25,083 --> 00:35:28,483
that went with this,
where the grand jury explained,
770
00:35:29,016 --> 00:35:32,196
you know, what the reasoning
was behind these charges,
771
00:35:32,233 --> 00:35:35,103
what the specific acts
that were committed
772
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,483
that led to these charges?
773
00:35:38,016 --> 00:35:39,446
And we don't have those,
to this day.
774
00:35:41,483 --> 00:35:43,423
I'm not particularly happy
that the entire thing
775
00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:45,150
was not disclosed.
776
00:35:45,183 --> 00:35:46,373
We're not going to get a judge
777
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,400
to order the rest
of those pages released,
778
00:35:51,433 --> 00:35:54,023
at least not before I retire.
779
00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:59,020
Cabell: Again, it's a mystery
at this point.
780
00:35:59,050 --> 00:36:03,430
Do you truly think
the perpetrator will be found?
781
00:36:03,466 --> 00:36:05,116
Yes.
782
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:07,350
There was one other person
in the house that night
783
00:36:07,383 --> 00:36:10,373
besides Patsy
and John and JonBenét,
784
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,250
and that is JonBenét's
older brother, Burke,
785
00:36:13,283 --> 00:36:15,403
who was then 9 years old.
786
00:36:15,433 --> 00:36:19,123
He was officially cleared
in 2008.
787
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:22,070
And he has never gone public,
788
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,330
which has led
to a lot of speculation
789
00:36:24,366 --> 00:36:27,366
about what he saw
and what he knew that night.
790
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,280
Robinson: Even if Burke were to
have some miraculous memory
791
00:36:31,316 --> 00:36:33,426
that could lead
to the arrest of a suspect,
792
00:36:33,466 --> 00:36:35,426
that information
would be so dated
793
00:36:35,466 --> 00:36:38,476
and so questionable that most
criminal defense attorneys
794
00:36:39,016 --> 00:36:41,166
would have a heyday
with it at trial.
795
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,080
It's very problematic to be
using information
796
00:36:44,116 --> 00:36:46,326
that would be so stale
from an individual
797
00:36:46,366 --> 00:36:48,346
who did not remember it before.
798
00:36:48,383 --> 00:36:53,073
The colder the case gets,
the colder the trail gets.
799
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,420
Burke finally broke his silence
800
00:36:55,450 --> 00:37:00,270
just before the 20th anniversary
of his sister's death.
801
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:03,380
He decided that he would do
a sit-down on the --
802
00:37:03,416 --> 00:37:05,476
Dr. Phil's TV show.
803
00:37:06,016 --> 00:37:08,216
Did you hit your sister
over the head
804
00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:11,350
with a baseball bat
or a flashlight?
805
00:37:11,383 --> 00:37:13,433
Absolutely not.
806
00:37:13,466 --> 00:37:15,216
If someone
in your house did,
807
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:17,330
do you think
you would have heard it?
808
00:37:17,366 --> 00:37:21,246
Probably, yeah.
809
00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:23,073
Prendergast: You know, everybody
has got a theory.
810
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,380
There's the Burke group,
the John group,
811
00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:26,416
the Patsy group,
the intruder group,
812
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:28,170
and they all feel
very passionately
813
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,330
that they're right
and everybody else is wrong.
814
00:37:30,366 --> 00:37:31,396
This isn't rocket science here.
815
00:37:31,433 --> 00:37:34,303
So you think she was
disciplining the child.
816
00:37:34,333 --> 00:37:36,003
It got out of hand?
817
00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:39,373
My guess is, yeah, there was
some sort of explosive encounter
818
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,030
between mother and daughter that
resulted in this child dead.
819
00:37:43,066 --> 00:37:45,066
To those of you
who may want to ask,
820
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,330
let me address very directly.
821
00:37:46,366 --> 00:37:51,216
I did not kill my daughter,
JonBenét.
822
00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:53,100
There have also been innuendos
823
00:37:53,133 --> 00:37:56,383
that she has been
or was sexually molested.
824
00:37:56,416 --> 00:37:58,176
They are totally false.
825
00:37:58,216 --> 00:38:04,046
I am appalled that anyone
would think that John
826
00:38:04,083 --> 00:38:06,333
or I would be involved
827
00:38:06,366 --> 00:38:12,246
in such
a hideous, heinous crime,
828
00:38:12,283 --> 00:38:17,373
but let me assure you
that I did not kill JonBenét.
829
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:26,380
♪♪
830
00:38:26,416 --> 00:38:28,346
Prendergast: I think from the
very start, there was a sense,
831
00:38:28,383 --> 00:38:33,223
"This case might just
become a cold case."
832
00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:37,020
And it -- it has become,
you know,
833
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:39,170
the mother of all cold cases
at this point.
834
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480
The prospect that we're ever
going to see a, you know,
835
00:38:43,016 --> 00:38:44,326
a legal resolution
of this case
836
00:38:44,366 --> 00:38:47,396
I think is very,
very dim at this point.
837
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:51,330
Zesbaugh:
Had you asked me then,
838
00:38:51,366 --> 00:38:53,426
"Will this be a story
in 20 years?"
839
00:38:53,466 --> 00:38:55,316
I would have laughed and said,
"Absolutely not.
840
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:58,200
There will be an arrest in
this case and probably quickly."
841
00:38:58,233 --> 00:39:00,123
No one could have foreseen
what happened
842
00:39:00,150 --> 00:39:01,470
over the next 20 years.
843
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
I wouldn't be surprised if we
never know
844
00:39:05,033 --> 00:39:06,303
what actually happened
in that basement,
845
00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:09,303
and it will always
stay a whodunit.
846
00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:11,433
Woodward: This is a little girl
847
00:39:11,466 --> 00:39:14,426
who should be
in her mid-20s right now,
848
00:39:14,466 --> 00:39:20,116
and we're all dancing
around about JonBenét
849
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:22,280
and trying to figure
out what happened.
850
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:25,276
And what happened is she's dead,
851
00:39:25,316 --> 00:39:29,076
and nobody knows who did it,
and nobody's solved the case.
852
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,370
HLN did reach out to
the Boulder county D.A.'s office
853
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,350
with a freedom
of information request
854
00:39:35,383 --> 00:39:38,023
for the rest
of the grand jury findings,
855
00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:39,470
but a representative
denied our request,
856
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,030
saying they'd would be
in contempt of court
857
00:39:42,066 --> 00:39:44,216
if they released
the additional pages.
858
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:46,050
Today, the murder
of JonBenét Ramsey
859
00:39:46,083 --> 00:39:48,133
is officially considered
a cold case.
860
00:39:48,166 --> 00:39:51,046
The Boulder PD has
detectives assigned to it,
861
00:39:51,083 --> 00:39:53,173
and they do follow leads
when they get them.
862
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,420
But so far, they have
only been dead ends.
863
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:58,080
Let's hope that some day,
864
00:39:58,116 --> 00:40:01,116
there will be justice
for JonBenét Ramsey.
865
00:40:01,150 --> 00:40:03,020
I'm Hill Harper.
866
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:04,180
Thanks for watching.
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