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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,300 --> 00:00:05,270 ♪♪ 2 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:07,200 Well, you know, you learn more about yourself 3 00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,103 during times of adversity. 4 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,253 You know, I use, you know, 5 00:00:12,283 --> 00:00:16,023 Jim Ryun as an example of a guy who was a great talent, 6 00:00:16,050 --> 00:00:18,350 but when he first came up against some competition, 7 00:00:18,383 --> 00:00:20,223 adversity, he quit in the middle of the race. 8 00:00:20,250 --> 00:00:23,320 Well, I found out about myself that I wasn't a quitter, 9 00:00:23,350 --> 00:00:25,470 you know, in Buffalo when things weren't going well, 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,430 that, hey, I was still willing 11 00:00:27,466 --> 00:00:29,166 to finish the race and work hard, 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,130 and it just made me understand myself a little more 13 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:35,416 and what wasreally is character, in the end. 14 00:00:35,450 --> 00:00:42,000 ♪♪ 15 00:00:42,033 --> 00:00:48,083 ♪♪ 16 00:00:48,116 --> 00:00:49,416 Hey, everyone. I'm Hill Harper. 17 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:52,100 And welcome to "How It Really Happened," 18 00:00:52,133 --> 00:00:55,273 in part two of our O.J. Simpson story. 19 00:00:55,300 --> 00:00:58,100 With no conviction, Orenthal James Simpson's guilt 20 00:00:58,133 --> 00:01:00,053 in the bloody murders of Ron Goldman 21 00:01:00,083 --> 00:01:02,273 and Nicole Brown-Simpson is in doubt. 22 00:01:02,300 --> 00:01:05,030 The question is, who did it? 23 00:01:05,066 --> 00:01:06,166 And in looking for answers, 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,400 people turned to possible culprits other than O.J. 25 00:01:09,433 --> 00:01:12,153 Was it the drifter serial killer from Kentucky 26 00:01:12,183 --> 00:01:14,253 who wrote a so-called confession letter, 27 00:01:14,283 --> 00:01:16,083 the career criminal from Virginia 28 00:01:16,116 --> 00:01:17,426 who says he was offered money 29 00:01:17,466 --> 00:01:20,276 in a murder-for-hire plot to kill Nicole? 30 00:01:20,316 --> 00:01:23,066 Or some even thought it might have been O.J.'s 31 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:26,250 oldest-born son, Jason Lamar Simpson. 32 00:01:26,283 --> 00:01:29,083 Tonight, we explore several of the most widely 33 00:01:29,116 --> 00:01:32,346 discussed theories that caused some to begin to wonder 34 00:01:32,383 --> 00:01:35,273 who might have killed Ron and Nicole. 35 00:01:36,066 --> 00:01:41,426 ♪♪ 36 00:01:41,466 --> 00:01:44,076 We begin tonight with a murder investigation 37 00:01:44,116 --> 00:01:47,426 where speculation is fierce, official words are few, 38 00:01:47,466 --> 00:01:50,046 and legal comings and goings are plenty. 39 00:01:50,083 --> 00:01:51,203 All focus on the slayings 40 00:01:51,233 --> 00:01:55,173 of O.J. Simpson's ex-wife and a male friend. 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,270 HILL: What we have is a female white in the vicinity of 30 years old 42 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:05,020 and a male white probably the same age. 43 00:02:05,050 --> 00:02:06,450 Both victims, Nicole Brown-Simpson 44 00:02:06,483 --> 00:02:11,323 and Ronald Goldman, had been savagely attacked. 45 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:15,420 Both dead on the sidewalk right in front of the residence here. 46 00:02:15,450 --> 00:02:17,450 The criminal made a mess of the crime scene. 47 00:02:17,483 --> 00:02:20,453 I mean, there was blood everywhere. 48 00:02:20,483 --> 00:02:25,173 There was also a knit cap, what appeared to be a knit cap, 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,020 and what looked like a glove at the feet of the male victim. 50 00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:34,000 Reporter: O.J. Simpson in cuffs yesterday and possibly in trouble today 51 00:02:34,033 --> 00:02:37,053 as police investigate the killing of his ex-wife. 52 00:02:37,083 --> 00:02:41,183 This letter was written by O.J. today. 53 00:02:41,216 --> 00:02:46,196 "I have nothing to do with Nicole's murder. 54 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:51,223 I loved her, always have and always will." 55 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:56,330 Mr. Simpson, in agreement with his attorney, 56 00:02:56,366 --> 00:02:59,016 was scheduled to surrender this morning 57 00:02:59,050 --> 00:03:00,470 to the Los Angeles Police Department. 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,270 [ Sirens wail ] 59 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:05,300 Reporter: Simpson, who became a fugitive, was pursued by police, 60 00:03:05,333 --> 00:03:07,083 news people, and hundreds of spectators 61 00:03:07,116 --> 00:03:09,096 over Los Angeles freeways... 62 00:03:09,133 --> 00:03:12,223 Cowlings: this is A.C., I have O.J. in the car. 63 00:03:12,250 --> 00:03:13,300 9-1-1 Operator: Okay. Where are you? 64 00:03:13,333 --> 00:03:15,433 Cowlings: You got to tell police just to back off. 65 00:03:15,466 --> 00:03:18,116 He's still alive, but he's a gun to his head. 66 00:03:18,150 --> 00:03:21,380 Reporter: ...and eventually surrendered to police at his Brentwood home. 67 00:03:21,416 --> 00:03:24,226 Reporter 2: Tonight, a beloved sports star one moment, 68 00:03:24,266 --> 00:03:26,396 subject of serious questions the next. 69 00:03:26,433 --> 00:03:29,423 The press whirls on O.J. Simpson. 70 00:03:29,450 --> 00:03:32,450 Man: Juice! Juice! Juice! 71 00:03:32,483 --> 00:03:34,123 Harper: There are numerous theories 72 00:03:34,150 --> 00:03:35,480 about who committed the killings. 73 00:03:36,016 --> 00:03:38,126 Detectives will tell you that often 74 00:03:38,166 --> 00:03:42,096 when you have a spouse who's murdered, 75 00:03:42,133 --> 00:03:44,483 their spouse or former spouse is the one responsible, 76 00:03:45,016 --> 00:03:47,216 so they suspected that O.J. Simpson 77 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:50,070 might have been involved in this killing. 78 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:54,020 Man: O.J., can you tell us anything, O.J.? 79 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:56,030 Moret: A lot of people didn't want to believe it because, 80 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:59,216 let's face it, he had crafted a public image 81 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:01,230 that was impeccable. 82 00:04:01,266 --> 00:04:02,446 People loved him. 83 00:04:02,483 --> 00:04:05,083 Well, well-wishers have been coming by O.J. Simpson's home, 84 00:04:05,116 --> 00:04:08,146 some stopping to place placards on the gate to his driveway. 85 00:04:08,183 --> 00:04:09,373 One saying, "We love O.J." 86 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,370 Another saying, "Say it ain't so, Joe," 87 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,150 and another one saying, "O.J. Is not guilty." 88 00:04:14,183 --> 00:04:17,223 People don't want to believe that a guy that likable, 89 00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:21,180 that handsome, that charming, that charismatic, 90 00:04:21,216 --> 00:04:24,316 somebody that perfect can be so awful. 91 00:04:24,350 --> 00:04:27,420 ♪♪ 92 00:04:27,450 --> 00:04:31,100 In all, both victims were stabbed nearly 20 times. 93 00:04:31,133 --> 00:04:36,253 Watts: Ronald Goldman was a self-defense-trained person 94 00:04:36,283 --> 00:04:39,053 20 years younger than O.J. Simpson, 95 00:04:39,083 --> 00:04:41,483 but he had 24 different wounds and cuts 96 00:04:42,016 --> 00:04:45,346 and scratches on his hands, defense wounds, 97 00:04:45,383 --> 00:04:49,003 and the perpetrator of that crime would've, 98 00:04:49,033 --> 00:04:53,233 I thought, had more scratches, cuts or bruises, 99 00:04:53,266 --> 00:04:56,146 and when O.J. Simpson came back in town, 100 00:04:56,183 --> 00:04:59,073 all he had on his entire body 101 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:05,220 was just a cut on one of his fingers on his left hand. 102 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:07,250 Everyone step back, please. 103 00:05:07,283 --> 00:05:09,423 Some people have their mind set that O.J. Simpson 104 00:05:09,450 --> 00:05:11,200 is not guilty in their head, 105 00:05:11,233 --> 00:05:13,323 and some people want to believe there's another theory. 106 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:15,180 Man: Please, get out of the way. 107 00:05:15,216 --> 00:05:18,166 Velez-Mitchell: Almost from the very beginning, O.J.'s defense team 108 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,020 presented this alternate reality that O.J. Simpson was innocent 109 00:05:23,050 --> 00:05:26,420 and the real killer or killers were out there somewhere. 110 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:28,280 Man 2: Have you been told you're under arrest, O.J.? 111 00:05:28,316 --> 00:05:32,416 Watts: We would hear different theories, 112 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:37,150 and different murder plots and conspiracy theories 113 00:05:37,183 --> 00:05:39,083 came forward all the time. 114 00:05:39,116 --> 00:05:41,076 People are falling over each other 115 00:05:41,116 --> 00:05:43,426 trying to claim that they're 116 00:05:43,466 --> 00:05:44,476 [ Siren wail ] 117 00:05:45,016 --> 00:05:46,166 Reporter: His capture in rural Kentucky 118 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,430 was like something out of a Hollywood movie. 119 00:05:48,466 --> 00:05:50,216 Glen Rogers is immediately linked 120 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:52,150 to the murders of at least four women, 121 00:05:52,183 --> 00:05:54,233 including one in Los Angeles. 122 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:57,416 Glen Rogers was a seedy character, a drifter. 123 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:00,200 Velez-Mitchell: He is a very, very frightening guy. 124 00:06:00,233 --> 00:06:02,123 They called him the Casanova killer. 125 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:04,250 They also called him the cross country killer. 126 00:06:04,283 --> 00:06:06,453 Well, how about the story in "The New York Post" 127 00:06:06,483 --> 00:06:09,473 yesterday that the serial killer that you have under arrest, 128 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,280 I think, for four or five serial killings may have done this. 129 00:06:13,316 --> 00:06:15,396 I mean, Rogers made some interesting claims. 130 00:06:15,433 --> 00:06:19,223 Velez-Mitchell: He claimed at one point that he murdered 70 women, 131 00:06:19,250 --> 00:06:21,120 and he tells a friend of his 132 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:24,220 that one of those women was Nicole. 133 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:28,350 According to Norman Pardo, O.J.'s business manager, 134 00:06:28,383 --> 00:06:35,453 he received a letter from Rogers from prison on death row, 135 00:06:35,483 --> 00:06:37,173 if you would, 136 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,420 that states that he, Rogers, 137 00:06:40,450 --> 00:06:43,330 is the one that killed Nicole Brown-Simpson. 138 00:06:43,366 --> 00:06:45,046 Ortega: He came forward and said that, 139 00:06:45,083 --> 00:06:48,283 "Oh, by the way, I was painting Nicole Simpson's house 140 00:06:48,316 --> 00:06:51,096 and decided that I'd kill her, too." 141 00:06:51,133 --> 00:06:52,473 Alright. Now, there's a story he painted 142 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,380 a house two houses away from Nicole's, right? 143 00:06:55,416 --> 00:06:57,066 We're doing -- that is what "The New York Post" said. 144 00:06:57,100 --> 00:06:59,200 We're doing follow-up on these issues right now. 145 00:06:59,233 --> 00:07:01,233 Velez-Mitchell: And after the Northridge earthquake, 146 00:07:01,266 --> 00:07:03,016 he ended up in Los Angeles. 147 00:07:03,050 --> 00:07:07,080 He was a drifter, and he came to be part of a repair crew, 148 00:07:07,116 --> 00:07:10,396 and so he then claims that somehow he ends up 149 00:07:10,433 --> 00:07:12,133 with a painting company 150 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:18,116 and is painting the outside of Nicole's condo on Bundy. 151 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:22,420 There's actually an hour documentary about this case 152 00:07:22,450 --> 00:07:25,300 and Glen Rogers called "My Brother The Serial Killer," 153 00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:28,283 and it's narrated by Glen Rogers' brother, 154 00:07:28,316 --> 00:07:30,026 Clay Rogers. 155 00:07:30,066 --> 00:07:32,296 I'm absolutely certain that my brother, Glen, 156 00:07:32,333 --> 00:07:35,333 killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman. 157 00:07:35,366 --> 00:07:40,026 Watts: And the story goes, according to Rogers' brother, 158 00:07:40,066 --> 00:07:45,126 Clay, that his brother took a piece of jewelry, 159 00:07:45,166 --> 00:07:50,396 an angel pin, off the body of Nicole Brown-Simpson 160 00:07:50,433 --> 00:07:55,033 from the murder scene, sent it to his mom in Florida. 161 00:07:55,066 --> 00:07:56,476 Velez-Mitchell: Glen Rogers is essentially saying, 162 00:07:57,016 --> 00:08:01,126 "Hey, I can tell you thatO.J. didn't kill Nicole. 163 00:08:01,166 --> 00:08:03,216 I I'm 164 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:08,130 The idea that he had the access, the motive, 165 00:08:08,166 --> 00:08:11,996 the opportunity, and actual evidence 166 00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:14,473 that he did anything to Nicole 167 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,480 on that night in June is nonexistent. 168 00:08:18,016 --> 00:08:19,046 In a murder investigation, 169 00:08:19,083 --> 00:08:20,453 you go where the evidence takes you, 170 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,350 not where the bs takes you, where the evidence takes you. 171 00:08:23,383 --> 00:08:25,373 There's nothing of an evidentiary value 172 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,050 to show you that Glen Rogers had anything to do with this case. 173 00:08:29,083 --> 00:08:32,353 It's not his blood at the scene. 174 00:08:32,383 --> 00:08:36,403 Velez-Mitchell: Bill Wasz was this convict, tough guy. 175 00:08:36,433 --> 00:08:38,223 He was a drug runner. 176 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:40,080 Wasz claimed that he met O.J. 177 00:08:40,116 --> 00:08:42,276 and Robert Kardashian at the Roxbury. 178 00:08:42,316 --> 00:08:46,176 Bill Wasz did play a central role 179 00:08:46,216 --> 00:08:50,426 in one of the notable conspiracy so-called alternative theories 180 00:08:50,466 --> 00:08:53,046 of what happened to Nicole and Ron. 181 00:08:53,083 --> 00:08:55,203 Velez-Mitchell: He was a mob enforcer. 182 00:08:55,233 --> 00:08:56,373 He was a guy who bragged 183 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,230 about dangling somebody upside down over a balcony. 184 00:09:00,266 --> 00:09:06,326 Bill Wasz claims he was offered $1,000 to tail or follow Nicole 185 00:09:06,366 --> 00:09:09,396 and offered $15,000 to kill her. 186 00:09:09,433 --> 00:09:13,153 Velez-Mitchell: He claims that Robert Kardashian offers him $1,000 187 00:09:13,183 --> 00:09:17,073 to track Nicole, to literally spy on Nicole, 188 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:19,220 and follow her around and find out 189 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:21,350 what men Nicole is hooking up with. 190 00:09:21,383 --> 00:09:24,173 Man: Why did they hire you to follow Nicole? 191 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,130 They wanted to know who she was seeing, who she was meeting. 192 00:09:28,166 --> 00:09:34,116 He supposedly kept copious notes in a 10-page, detailed notebook, 193 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:37,250 and it allegedly contained detailed notes 194 00:09:37,283 --> 00:09:38,383 of Nicole's coming 195 00:09:38,416 --> 00:09:43,476 and goings to the gym, hairdresser, lunch dates. 196 00:09:44,016 --> 00:09:46,216 Her going to school with the kids, 197 00:09:46,250 --> 00:09:47,480 what she did around town. 198 00:09:48,016 --> 00:09:50,096 Reporter 3: The O.J. Simpson case has unleashed 199 00:09:50,133 --> 00:09:51,473 moment-by-moment action, 200 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 questions that remain unanswered, 201 00:09:54,033 --> 00:09:57,053 and now there is a new tantalizing mystery: 202 00:09:57,083 --> 00:09:58,233 A mysterious notebook. 203 00:09:58,266 --> 00:10:00,026 It was found inside a vehicle 204 00:10:00,066 --> 00:10:03,246 owned by O.J. Simpson's girlfriend, Paula Barbieri. 205 00:10:03,283 --> 00:10:05,373 Barbieri, a model who was out with Simpson 206 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,030 on a date the night before Nicole Simpson and her friend, 207 00:10:08,066 --> 00:10:09,466 Ron Goldman, were killed. 208 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,080 So there's one thing that's really in Wasz's favor. 209 00:10:13,116 --> 00:10:17,196 A forensic expert checked the handwriting on this notebook. 210 00:10:17,233 --> 00:10:19,153 Even a handwriting expert 211 00:10:19,183 --> 00:10:24,423 who examined Wasz's so-called diary book of Nicole's comings 212 00:10:24,450 --> 00:10:30,020 and goings determined that it was Wasz's original handwriting. 213 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:33,420 So it kind of shows that, unless he's psychic, 214 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:37,320 he was doing something vis-a-vis Nicole 215 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:39,070 before she was murdered. 216 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,380 We sent a team down there and spent some time with Bill Wasz, 217 00:10:41,416 --> 00:10:43,146 and they interviewed Bill Wasz. 218 00:10:43,183 --> 00:10:47,353 Man: When you heard that Nicole had been murdered, 219 00:10:47,383 --> 00:10:49,483 what did you think? 220 00:10:50,016 --> 00:10:51,316 I thought a lot of things. 221 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:53,050 I didn't think he did it. 222 00:10:53,083 --> 00:10:55,073 To this day, I don't think he did it. 223 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:57,320 Now, I probably know who did it, yeah. 224 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:59,300 I wouldn't maybe know the exact assailants, 225 00:10:59,333 --> 00:11:01,473 but I probably know who is responsible. 226 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,230 Bill Wasz was fine in answering questions 227 00:11:04,266 --> 00:11:07,346 to a point where what he says cannot be corroborated, 228 00:11:07,383 --> 00:11:11,173 and he says, "I'm not going to talk to you anymore 229 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,020 unless I'm going to get paid." 230 00:11:13,050 --> 00:11:16,030 Sooner or later, you have to say, "Enough nonsense. 231 00:11:16,066 --> 00:11:17,426 Let's get on to the evidence." 232 00:11:17,466 --> 00:11:23,196 If there was any evidence at all to connect Wasz to this case, 233 00:11:23,233 --> 00:11:25,283 we would have pursued it. 234 00:11:25,316 --> 00:11:28,266 Velez-Mitchell: Out of the woodwork comes the Texas private eye 235 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,170 named Bill Dear, who used to be a cop 236 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,430 and who loves to attach himself to high-profile cases, 237 00:11:34,466 --> 00:11:37,166 and suddenly he appears and says, 238 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,270 "I know the killer, and it's not O.J. 239 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:43,220 It's O.J.'s son Jason." 240 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:45,100 -Hi. -Hi. 241 00:11:45,133 --> 00:11:46,223 Woman: Good morning. 242 00:11:46,250 --> 00:11:48,370 Here begins videotape number one in the deposition 243 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,200 of Jason Simpson. 244 00:11:56,283 --> 00:11:59,253 Moret: The nation was transfixed by this case, 245 00:11:59,283 --> 00:12:01,273 but as the case progressed, 246 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:05,130 there was a series of bombshell revelations and allegations 247 00:12:05,166 --> 00:12:09,466 and theories that continued to shock everyone. 248 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,450 Velez-Mitchell: Out of the woodwork comes the Texas private eye 249 00:12:12,483 --> 00:12:15,373 named Bill Dear, who used to be a cop 250 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,130 and who loves to attach himself to high-profile cases, 251 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:21,366 and suddenly he appears and says, 252 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,420 "I know the killer, and it's not O.J. 253 00:12:24,450 --> 00:12:28,080 It's O.J.'s son Jason." 254 00:12:28,116 --> 00:12:32,296 William Dear believes that O.J.'s son Jason 255 00:12:32,333 --> 00:12:34,433 is the real killer and that O.J. 256 00:12:34,466 --> 00:12:36,446 didn't kill Ron or Nicole. 257 00:12:36,483 --> 00:12:38,383 He simply went to the location 258 00:12:38,416 --> 00:12:42,176 and then decided to take the fall for his son. 259 00:12:42,216 --> 00:12:45,266 I realized based on what I have been told so far that O.J. 260 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:47,150 didn't do it, but I believe 261 00:12:47,183 --> 00:12:49,283 he had to have been at the crime scene. 262 00:12:49,316 --> 00:12:55,116 Jason Simpson was a normal kid of a celebrity. 263 00:12:55,150 --> 00:12:56,320 He had some problems. 264 00:12:56,350 --> 00:12:58,200 Dear: When we checked his criminal record, 265 00:12:58,233 --> 00:13:01,353 he was on probation at the time of the murders for assault 266 00:13:01,383 --> 00:13:04,103 with a knife to his former employer. 267 00:13:04,133 --> 00:13:05,233 A man named Paul Goldberg, 268 00:13:05,266 --> 00:13:10,076 that Jason struck and threatened with a knife -- 269 00:13:10,116 --> 00:13:13,226 Man: You assaulted a man named Paul Goldberg, correct? 270 00:13:13,266 --> 00:13:15,226 Yes, sir. 271 00:13:15,266 --> 00:13:21,426 At Revival Cafe Restaurant in Los Angeles, right? 272 00:13:21,466 --> 00:13:24,416 Yes, sir. 273 00:13:24,450 --> 00:13:28,420 Jason had a storage unit that he stopped paying for, 274 00:13:28,450 --> 00:13:31,450 and so the contents of that storage unit 275 00:13:31,483 --> 00:13:33,353 went up for auction. 276 00:13:33,383 --> 00:13:35,223 Bill Dear is able to purchase 277 00:13:35,250 --> 00:13:37,430 the contents of the storage locker, 278 00:13:37,466 --> 00:13:41,176 and it contains these diaries, these diaries of Jason 279 00:13:41,216 --> 00:13:44,346 that talked about how dark and how troubled 280 00:13:44,383 --> 00:13:47,283 and how difficult life was. 281 00:13:47,316 --> 00:13:49,146 He talks about, "It's the year of the knife for me. 282 00:13:49,183 --> 00:13:51,083 I cut away my problems with a knife. 283 00:13:51,116 --> 00:13:54,126 If anyone hurts a member of my family, I will kill them." 284 00:13:54,166 --> 00:13:55,366 Lange: At the time of the murders, 285 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,220 Jason Simpson is working as a chef 286 00:13:58,250 --> 00:14:00,470 or an assistant chef at Jackson's restaurant. 287 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,120 On the night of the murders, 288 00:14:03,150 --> 00:14:06,450 Jason was all set to cook for the Brown family 289 00:14:06,483 --> 00:14:08,173 and Justin and Sydney, 290 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,230 and his expectation was after a recital 291 00:14:11,266 --> 00:14:13,276 at Paul Revere Middle School that night, 292 00:14:13,316 --> 00:14:16,026 that they were all going to come to his restaurant. 293 00:14:16,066 --> 00:14:18,416 The day of the recital, 294 00:14:18,450 --> 00:14:21,320 Nicole calls and says, "I can't make it. 295 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:22,470 I'm not going to go to that restaurant. 296 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,080 It's too expensive. 297 00:14:24,116 --> 00:14:25,446 We're going to go to Mezzaluna instead." 298 00:14:25,483 --> 00:14:29,103 How did you find out that the plan had been changed? 299 00:14:29,133 --> 00:14:31,033 In the conversation, she said, "We can't come. 300 00:14:31,066 --> 00:14:33,276 It's just a little bit too expensive, 301 00:14:33,316 --> 00:14:35,346 so we were just going to go right up the street." 302 00:14:35,383 --> 00:14:37,003 I was kind of hurt. 303 00:14:37,033 --> 00:14:38,203 I wished they would've come to the restaurant. 304 00:14:38,233 --> 00:14:40,073 Now I really wish they would've come to the restaurant, 305 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:44,220 but she wanted to go to Mezzaluna. 306 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:47,480 I interviewed several people who were there that actual night 307 00:14:48,016 --> 00:14:51,426 and who told me that Jason appeared to be very upset, 308 00:14:51,466 --> 00:14:55,196 and they attributed it to the fact that she didn't show up, 309 00:14:55,233 --> 00:14:58,483 and then I think whatever happened escalated. 310 00:14:59,016 --> 00:15:01,126 Moret: And the big question, "Did he have the means? 311 00:15:01,166 --> 00:15:03,216 Did he have the murder weapon?" 312 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:06,220 Did you have a set of cooking knives? 313 00:15:06,250 --> 00:15:07,300 Yeah. 314 00:15:07,333 --> 00:15:09,453 And did you ever take those knives off of, 315 00:15:09,483 --> 00:15:11,233 you know, your work premises? 316 00:15:11,266 --> 00:15:13,116 All the time. 317 00:15:13,150 --> 00:15:17,080 Watts: Dear says that Jason likely headed over 318 00:15:17,116 --> 00:15:20,366 to the Bundy address, knocked on the door, 319 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,000 got into a disagreement with Nicole. 320 00:15:23,033 --> 00:15:26,373 William Dear claims that Jason hits her 321 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,380 with the blunt end of the knife, knocks her to the ground 322 00:15:29,416 --> 00:15:32,316 and then turns his attention to Ron Goldman 323 00:15:32,350 --> 00:15:34,470 with the sharp end of the blade. 324 00:15:35,016 --> 00:15:36,996 This is a really crucial part, 325 00:15:37,033 --> 00:15:40,433 and maybe the most crucial part, of Dear's theory 326 00:15:40,466 --> 00:15:44,166 and that is, he comes out of that rage and realizes, 327 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,130 "Oh, my God. What have I done?" 328 00:15:46,166 --> 00:15:51,196 So William Dear claims that Jason calls his dad in a panic. 329 00:15:51,233 --> 00:15:53,023 His dad comes to the house. 330 00:15:53,050 --> 00:15:56,180 That's what places O.J. Simpson at the scene. 331 00:15:56,216 --> 00:15:59,396 Dear: We know that the knit cap was found at the crime scene. 332 00:15:59,433 --> 00:16:01,423 But they couldn't definitely say that it belonged to 333 00:16:01,450 --> 00:16:03,300 O.J. Simpson. 334 00:16:03,333 --> 00:16:05,223 Moret: William Dear says that there's a photo 335 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:08,050 in the storage locker of Jason wearing a knit cap. 336 00:16:08,083 --> 00:16:11,333 William Dear says O.J. Simpson simply wanted to protect his son 337 00:16:11,366 --> 00:16:14,346 and would even take the fall for his son to protect him. 338 00:16:14,383 --> 00:16:17,333 [ Siren wails ] 339 00:16:17,366 --> 00:16:20,066 Bill Dear points out that O.J. Simpson 340 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,320 immediately hires an attorney for his son. 341 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:25,030 We checked the records and found that Jason Lamar Simpson 342 00:16:25,066 --> 00:16:27,266 was never interviewed by the Los Angeles Police Department 343 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:29,400 because he was represented by an attorney, 344 00:16:29,433 --> 00:16:31,253 and he refused to cooperate. 345 00:16:31,283 --> 00:16:33,223 Lange: He did not want to talk to us initially. 346 00:16:33,250 --> 00:16:34,470 We wanted to talk to him. 347 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,050 He would not want to talk to us. 348 00:16:36,083 --> 00:16:38,133 We cannot compel him to talk to us. 349 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:42,096 Rightly so, there are a lot of naysayers to Bill Dear's work. 350 00:16:42,133 --> 00:16:44,253 There are a lot of things that have to happen 351 00:16:44,283 --> 00:16:48,053 in William Dear's scenario in a very limited period of time. 352 00:16:48,083 --> 00:16:49,433 It's ludicrous. 353 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:57,246 Woman: Nearly 2 decades later, some still feel 354 00:16:57,283 --> 00:17:01,253 O.J. Simpson got away with murder. 355 00:17:01,283 --> 00:17:06,083 Moret: William Dear has been fighting for one thing for 22 years. 356 00:17:06,116 --> 00:17:07,366 He wants this case reopened. 357 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,270 He wants a grand jury to investigate this case 358 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:13,250 because William Dear believes that the real killer 359 00:17:13,283 --> 00:17:15,033 was never put on trial. 360 00:17:15,066 --> 00:17:20,016 Rightly so, there were a lot of naysayers to Bill Dear's work. 361 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:22,330 Moret: Even if they occurred at 10:40, there are a lot of things 362 00:17:22,366 --> 00:17:25,316 that have to happen in William Dear's scenario 363 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:28,480 in a very limited period of time for Jason Simpson 364 00:17:29,016 --> 00:17:32,066 to have committed these crimes. 365 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:35,480 Dear's explanation is that once he committed these murders, 366 00:17:36,016 --> 00:17:38,076 Jason called O.J. 367 00:17:38,116 --> 00:17:44,166 Ortega: O.J. Simpson then puts together this outfit with his gloves, 368 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,420 goes out the back of his estate, crawls over a fence, 369 00:17:47,450 --> 00:17:50,230 which is important, because Bill Dear claims 370 00:17:50,266 --> 00:17:53,046 that that's when O.J. sliced open his finger 371 00:17:53,083 --> 00:17:55,103 on his left hand. 372 00:17:55,133 --> 00:17:57,453 He puts on the gloves, gets in his car, 373 00:17:57,483 --> 00:18:02,053 drives the 2 miles to Bundy, arrives on the scene, 374 00:18:02,083 --> 00:18:05,053 is horrified to see Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown 375 00:18:05,083 --> 00:18:08,153 laying in pools of blood, pulls off his glove 376 00:18:08,183 --> 00:18:11,303 and only then, when he pulls off the glove 377 00:18:11,333 --> 00:18:16,473 does it open up the left finger, and then O.J. begins to bleed. 378 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,300 Then O.J. gets back in his Bronco, 379 00:18:19,333 --> 00:18:23,203 drives back to the Rockingham estate, 380 00:18:23,233 --> 00:18:25,423 runs into the air conditioner and drops the other glove 381 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:26,470 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 382 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,370 and finally gets back into the house, 383 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:34,070 and all that has to occur in 12 minutes. 384 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:35,420 It's ludicrous. 385 00:18:35,450 --> 00:18:39,020 Moret: And the real question is, do Jason's motive, means, 386 00:18:39,050 --> 00:18:42,330 and opportunity really trump O.J.'s? 387 00:18:42,366 --> 00:18:44,276 The prosecution would say no. 388 00:18:44,316 --> 00:18:46,166 The police would say no. 389 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,380 Most investigators will say no. 390 00:18:48,416 --> 00:18:53,466 Jason Simpson was an individual we wanted to talk to. 391 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,200 We wanted to interview him. 392 00:18:55,233 --> 00:18:57,283 He's the son of our suspect. 393 00:18:57,316 --> 00:18:59,476 He knew Nicole. 394 00:19:00,016 --> 00:19:04,076 He was in the area and that he worked at a restaurant. 395 00:19:04,116 --> 00:19:05,446 We want to talk to him. 396 00:19:05,483 --> 00:19:08,203 It would be negligent for us 397 00:19:08,233 --> 00:19:11,253 not to want to talk to Jason Simpson. 398 00:19:11,283 --> 00:19:15,073 He was not a suspect because there was nothing to lead him 399 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:17,050 to be a suspect. 400 00:19:17,083 --> 00:19:20,373 If you're going to entertain, seriously entertain, 401 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,180 one of these other theories, 402 00:19:23,216 --> 00:19:25,246 you have to disregard all the evidence 403 00:19:25,283 --> 00:19:27,333 that shows it's O.J. Simpson. 404 00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:29,046 Reporter: Prosecutors say they have collected 405 00:19:29,083 --> 00:19:31,403 about 60 pieces of evidence thus far. 406 00:19:31,433 --> 00:19:33,223 They include blood samples 407 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:36,250 and a sample of O.J. Simpson's hair for comparison 408 00:19:36,283 --> 00:19:37,383 with black curly hairs 409 00:19:37,416 --> 00:19:40,146 found inside a cap at the murder scene. 410 00:19:40,183 --> 00:19:43,403 You have to disregard that totally, 411 00:19:43,433 --> 00:19:46,373 and I don't think that's a good faith thing to do. 412 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,000 I just don't. 413 00:19:48,033 --> 00:19:50,323 Everybody wants a conspiracy theory. 414 00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:53,450 They don't want just the plain, obvious fact that, 415 00:19:53,483 --> 00:20:00,103 hey, a guy was rageful that his beautiful wife had left him 416 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:01,433 and was starting a fresh life. 417 00:20:01,466 --> 00:20:04,046 People are interested in a good story. 418 00:20:04,083 --> 00:20:06,223 That's why we are still doing this 22 years later. 419 00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:08,130 They're not interested in facts. 420 00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:11,066 There are no unanswered questions in this case. 421 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:12,450 Mr. Simpson is charged alone 422 00:20:12,483 --> 00:20:14,433 because he is the sole murderer, 423 00:20:14,466 --> 00:20:17,176 and that is why he is the only one charged. 424 00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:18,476 I think prosecutors will tell you 425 00:20:19,016 --> 00:20:21,396 theynever this much evidence 426 00:20:21,433 --> 00:20:24,173 pinning a person to the scene of a crime. 427 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,330 And it's part of the prosecution's theory, 428 00:20:28,366 --> 00:20:33,116 if you will, that O.J. was driven 429 00:20:33,150 --> 00:20:36,270 to excessive jealousy 430 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:41,480 and that that was part of what led to the explosive attack 431 00:20:42,016 --> 00:20:44,146 on the night of June 12th. 432 00:20:44,183 --> 00:20:46,473 O.J. Simpson 433 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,100 was a jealous man and forcefully so. 434 00:20:52,133 --> 00:20:55,333 Dispatcher: 911 emergency operator 461. 435 00:20:59,316 --> 00:21:02,446 When you hear Nicole's voice on the 911 calls, 436 00:21:02,483 --> 00:21:07,103 you hear fear, pure fear. 437 00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:09,403 Not only has William Dear's Jason theory 438 00:21:09,433 --> 00:21:11,073 been widely discredited, 439 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,470 but according to the LAPD and the prosecutors, 440 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,350 O.J. Simpson's son Jason Simpson 441 00:21:15,383 --> 00:21:18,333 was never a suspect in the murders of Ron and Nicole. 442 00:21:18,366 --> 00:21:21,176 Detectives say they wanted to question Jason, 443 00:21:21,216 --> 00:21:22,476 but on the advice of his lawyer, 444 00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:26,276 Jason exercised his right to refuse a police interview. 445 00:21:26,316 --> 00:21:28,216 Various attempts were made to reach Jason 446 00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:31,430 and his representatives, but no statement was offered. 447 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,220 O.J. has always insisted he is innocent, 448 00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:41,430 and whether you believe O.J. did it or not, 449 00:21:41,466 --> 00:21:44,346 there is no question O.J. Simpson had a dark side 450 00:21:44,383 --> 00:21:46,023 to his character, 451 00:21:46,050 --> 00:21:48,030 and his ex-wife, Nicole Brown-Simpson, 452 00:21:48,066 --> 00:21:54,116 more than anyone else was a victim of his violence. 453 00:21:54,150 --> 00:21:56,020 Reporter: Until the killing, Simpson's marriage 454 00:21:56,050 --> 00:21:58,480 had looked ideal to outsiders. 455 00:21:59,016 --> 00:22:01,446 But police 911 tapes revealed afterwards 456 00:22:01,483 --> 00:22:03,423 that there had been troubles. 457 00:22:03,450 --> 00:22:05,270 People see people on television 458 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:06,480 and assume that they know them. 459 00:22:07,016 --> 00:22:09,276 Ever need to rent a car fast? 460 00:22:09,316 --> 00:22:12,076 Ortega: We've seen O.J. Simpson in movies 461 00:22:12,116 --> 00:22:15,396 and commercials, playing football. 462 00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:18,233 And that gives us the idea that we know something about him, 463 00:22:18,266 --> 00:22:21,126 but we don't know anything about O.J. Simpson. 464 00:22:21,166 --> 00:22:26,276 ♪♪ 465 00:22:33,316 --> 00:22:34,996 Moret: He was O.J., 466 00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:37,373 and most people didn't know about his violent tendencies. 467 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,400 That came out later. 468 00:22:38,433 --> 00:22:40,323 Reporter: Officers found Nicole Simpson, 469 00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:43,100 half dressed, badly bruised, crying, 470 00:22:43,133 --> 00:22:45,333 and saying her husband had threatened to kill her. 471 00:22:45,366 --> 00:22:49,466 Reporter 2: Detective John Edwards described a shaking and hysterical woman 472 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,450 crying that her husband was going to kill her. 473 00:22:52,483 --> 00:22:55,283 She collapsed and started yelling, "He's going to kill me. 474 00:22:55,316 --> 00:22:58,116 He's going to kill me." 475 00:22:58,150 --> 00:23:03,030 Watts: He pleaded no contest to spousal battery charges, 476 00:23:03,066 --> 00:23:07,166 and in typical L.A. media fashion... 477 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,150 This major thing had happened, you know? 478 00:23:09,183 --> 00:23:12,203 ...he went on Roy Firestone's show. 479 00:23:12,233 --> 00:23:14,323 The day after this was over, we looked at each other. 480 00:23:14,350 --> 00:23:16,000 We had, you know, we had a fight. 481 00:23:16,033 --> 00:23:17,453 We were both guilty. No one was hurt. 482 00:23:17,483 --> 00:23:19,403 It was no big deal, and we got on with our life. 483 00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:22,333 As a matter of fact -- He totally downplayed it. 484 00:23:22,366 --> 00:23:26,126 He acted like, "Oh, things got out of hand. 485 00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:28,346 Nicole and I got in a little tiff. 486 00:23:28,383 --> 00:23:30,353 It was no big deal." 487 00:23:30,383 --> 00:23:33,003 Ortega: The people who were in his life knew O.J. Simpson. 488 00:23:33,033 --> 00:23:34,253 What did they say? 489 00:23:34,283 --> 00:23:36,283 You know, that Nicole was afraid for her life. 490 00:23:36,316 --> 00:23:38,296 Yes, Nicole did ask him to come back. 491 00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:41,003 She did try to put her family back together. 492 00:23:41,033 --> 00:23:44,453 She was the classic case of the battered syndrome, 493 00:23:44,483 --> 00:23:47,373 and she felt that she could change him. 494 00:24:00,350 --> 00:24:03,470 When you hear Nicole's voice on the 911 calls, 495 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,150 you hear fear, pure fear. 496 00:24:07,183 --> 00:24:09,473 Estes: She was absolutely terrified for her life. 497 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,370 I recognized her voice. 498 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,330 I recognized his voice, and it broke my heart. 499 00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:18,376 At one point, Nicole was saying that she saw someone 500 00:24:18,416 --> 00:24:22,216 outside her place, keeping an eye on her. 501 00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:24,150 I get there, and she says, 502 00:24:24,183 --> 00:24:27,223 "Someone was peeking through my window. 503 00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:28,470 I think O.J. was stalking me. 504 00:24:29,016 --> 00:24:30,246 I think I saw O.J." 505 00:24:30,283 --> 00:24:34,023 Woman: Nicole told me that he would show up at restaurants 506 00:24:34,050 --> 00:24:39,080 or bars where she had gone, and she had no idea how he knew 507 00:24:39,116 --> 00:24:42,346 she was going to be there other than he must have followed her. 508 00:24:42,383 --> 00:24:44,283 I knew there were isolated incidences, 509 00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,426 and that's exactly what I thought that they were, 510 00:24:46,466 --> 00:24:47,426 and -- -The people in 511 00:24:47,466 --> 00:24:49,426 O.J. Simpson's life did believe 512 00:24:49,466 --> 00:24:51,446 that he was capable of this kind of crime 513 00:24:51,483 --> 00:24:54,233 and that Nicole was telling people she believed 514 00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:56,196 that O.J. was going to kill her. 515 00:24:56,233 --> 00:24:57,403 Reporter: She said what? 516 00:24:57,433 --> 00:24:59,253 "He's going to kill me, and he's going to get away with it." 517 00:24:59,283 --> 00:25:05,383 ♪♪ 518 00:25:05,416 --> 00:25:07,126 Velez-Mitchell: The limo driver, Allan Park, 519 00:25:07,166 --> 00:25:08,326 shows up at the Rockingham estate 520 00:25:08,366 --> 00:25:12,076 of O.J. Simpson to get him for the ride to LAX 521 00:25:12,116 --> 00:25:14,096 so he can go to Chicago. 522 00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:17,223 He notices no cars parked on the street, 523 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:19,180 and there's no O.J. Simpson. 524 00:25:19,216 --> 00:25:20,426 Toobin: The house is dark. 525 00:25:20,466 --> 00:25:25,426 There is no one answering his repeated rings of the intercom. 526 00:25:25,466 --> 00:25:28,416 That suggests that O.J. is not home. 527 00:25:31,366 --> 00:25:34,116 I believe Goldman came in first, 528 00:25:34,150 --> 00:25:37,180 and I believe shortly thereafter, 529 00:25:37,216 --> 00:25:40,096 maybe right behind him, Simpson entered. 530 00:25:40,133 --> 00:25:43,423 The contusion to the rear of Nicole's head 531 00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:48,270 could have been at a time when she was struck initially, 532 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,470 perhaps with the butt of the knife. 533 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,080 We have defense wounds on the hands of Goldman, 534 00:25:56,116 --> 00:25:58,126 so as he was getting slashed at, 535 00:25:58,166 --> 00:26:01,066 he was trying to defend off the knife. 536 00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:05,000 He sustains several wounds, four fatal wounds. 537 00:26:05,033 --> 00:26:06,373 There's slashes to his neck 538 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,120 indicating he was still alive at the time, 539 00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:11,070 so this went on for a while. 540 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:14,250 There are several of these slashes to the neck. 541 00:26:14,283 --> 00:26:17,133 Then I believe after Goldman went down, 542 00:26:17,166 --> 00:26:23,366 Simpson returns to Nicole, who is 3 to 4 feet away, 543 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,430 where it appears he grabbed her and threw her head back 544 00:26:27,466 --> 00:26:31,076 and sliced her throat, nearly decapitating her. 545 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,250 Reporter: Jill Shively: The first potential witness 546 00:26:35,283 --> 00:26:36,453 to be branded a liar. 547 00:26:36,483 --> 00:26:42,423 Jill Shively says she sees a crazed-looking O.J. Simpson 548 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:46,070 driving wildly in precisely the route 549 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,050 that someone would go from the murder scene at Bundy 550 00:26:49,083 --> 00:26:52,433 drive to his home on Rockingham. 551 00:26:52,466 --> 00:26:55,346 Reporter: Shively said Simpson was driving a white Bronco 552 00:26:55,383 --> 00:26:57,283 and almost got into a wreck around the time 553 00:26:57,316 --> 00:27:00,246 that Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ron Goldman were killed. 554 00:27:00,283 --> 00:27:02,073 Toobin: What gave particular creditability 555 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,080 to Jill Shively's account 556 00:27:04,116 --> 00:27:08,176 is she said she was so startled by seeing O.J. Simpson 557 00:27:08,216 --> 00:27:11,026 in this very uncharacteristic way 558 00:27:11,066 --> 00:27:13,216 that she tried to write down his license plate, 559 00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:15,200 and she came up with a number 560 00:27:15,233 --> 00:27:17,253 that was very close, in fact, 561 00:27:17,283 --> 00:27:19,083 to O.J. Simpson's license plate. 562 00:27:19,116 --> 00:27:22,316 The problem was that Jill Shively took money 563 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:24,420 from a tabloid TV show, 564 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:27,480 and the prosecutors decided that her credibility had been 565 00:27:28,016 --> 00:27:31,226 so tainted they couldn't use her at the trial. 566 00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:33,246 You know, because of 3 seconds, 567 00:27:33,283 --> 00:27:35,473 my whole life has been turned upside-down. 568 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,300 Jill Shively is one of the great 569 00:27:38,333 --> 00:27:42,103 what-might-have-been stories of the O.J. Simpson case. 570 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:46,100 Reporter: 10:56, limousine driver Park 571 00:27:46,133 --> 00:27:48,283 says he sees a large black person 572 00:27:48,316 --> 00:27:50,216 slip into the Simpson house. 573 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:53,480 Toobin: As it gets closer to 11 o'clock, O.J. Simpson 574 00:27:54,016 --> 00:27:57,296 answers the intercom and says, "I was in the shower. 575 00:27:57,333 --> 00:27:58,473 I'll be right down." 576 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,330 He told me he overslept, 577 00:28:01,366 --> 00:28:03,126 and he just got out of the shower 578 00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:06,996 and that he'd be out -- be down in a minute. 579 00:28:07,033 --> 00:28:12,273 There is an hour and 16 minutes where O.J. Simpson has no alibi. 580 00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:15,070 If you believe that Allan Park saw 581 00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:18,380 O.J. Simpson arriving back at his home, 582 00:28:18,416 --> 00:28:21,366 that certainly fits with a time line 583 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,450 that allows O.J. to go Bundy, kill Ron and Nicole 584 00:28:26,483 --> 00:28:29,253 and come back and make his flight. 585 00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:37,070 Moret: We're in the midst of a court recess right now. 586 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,180 In about 10 minutes, the jurors will be brought 587 00:28:39,216 --> 00:28:40,376 into the courtroom, and that is when 588 00:28:40,416 --> 00:28:43,246 opening statements are scheduled to begin. 589 00:28:43,283 --> 00:28:46,403 I don't think anybody really knew 590 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:48,303 how big this case would become. 591 00:28:48,333 --> 00:28:49,373 I certainly didn't. 592 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,350 [ Indistinct chatter ] 593 00:28:52,383 --> 00:28:56,023 This case was the first major case, 594 00:28:56,050 --> 00:28:57,380 certainly of this magnitude, 595 00:28:57,416 --> 00:28:59,226 that had cameras in the courtroom, 596 00:28:59,266 --> 00:29:03,046 and it created an industry that we'd never seen before 597 00:29:03,083 --> 00:29:05,023 and probably never will again. 598 00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:07,100 The press area near criminal courts building 599 00:29:07,133 --> 00:29:09,283 is a frenzy of reporters and producers 600 00:29:09,316 --> 00:29:12,216 amid a sea of satellite dishes and scaffolding. 601 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:17,100 ♪♪ 602 00:29:17,133 --> 00:29:22,273 Did O.J. Simpson really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman? 603 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:25,070 The answer to the question is yes. 604 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,180 Watts: The suspect is black, and the victims are white. 605 00:29:28,216 --> 00:29:33,066 But beyond that what role will race play in the upcoming trial? 606 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:37,420 The O.J. Simpson trial came at the very end of some racial, 607 00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:41,120 polarizing incidents in Los Angeles: 608 00:29:41,150 --> 00:29:44,250 Rodney King beating, 1991. 609 00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:47,123 Judge: Not guilty of the crime of assault by force -- 610 00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:50,150 Watts: Following the "not guilty" verdicts of the four officers 611 00:29:50,183 --> 00:29:52,333 charged in the Rodney King beating, 612 00:29:52,366 --> 00:29:57,416 there was the 1992 L.A. Riots 613 00:29:57,450 --> 00:30:01,330 and the Latasha Harlins murder case, 614 00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:07,266 in which Soon Ja Du was ordered to spend 0 days behind bars 615 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,220 after being found liable for that killing. 616 00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:13,220 Reporter: They are still outraged over judge 617 00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:15,320 Joyce Karlin's decision not to send 618 00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:18,370 Latasha Harlins' killer to jail. 619 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,120 Woman: We just have a judicial system 620 00:30:20,150 --> 00:30:24,300 that seems to work in the favor of some folks 621 00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:27,223 and work against African America. 622 00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:29,120 Reporter: Public opinion polls have indicated 623 00:30:29,150 --> 00:30:32,000 because of race, many African-Americans feel 624 00:30:32,033 --> 00:30:34,153 Simpson cannot get a fair trial. 625 00:30:34,183 --> 00:30:35,253 They do it all the time. 626 00:30:35,283 --> 00:30:38,183 They have a double set of standards in America. 627 00:30:38,216 --> 00:30:40,216 Race plays no part. 628 00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:44,270 Race is not an issue in the O.J. Simpson case, 629 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,420 nor will we bring it up. 630 00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:50,330 You say on your oath that you have not addressed 631 00:30:50,366 --> 00:30:54,276 any black person as a nigger or spoken about black people 632 00:30:54,316 --> 00:30:57,376 as niggers in the past 10 years, Detective Fuhrman? 633 00:30:57,416 --> 00:30:59,026 That's what I'm saying, sir. 634 00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:01,246 People ask me all the time, 635 00:31:01,283 --> 00:31:04,223 "What were some of the key trial moments?" 636 00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:06,330 Number one was Mark Fuhrman. 637 00:31:06,366 --> 00:31:09,066 He was one of the lead detectives. 638 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,030 He supposedly found the right-handed glove 639 00:31:12,066 --> 00:31:14,066 at the Rockingham address. 640 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:17,150 He was a disaster for the prosecution. 641 00:31:17,183 --> 00:31:20,173 Moret: You have the perception that the police are biased, 642 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,180 and who do you have as the star witness there? 643 00:31:22,216 --> 00:31:24,016 You got Mark Fuhrman, who says, 644 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:26,150 "I've never used the n-word ever." 645 00:31:26,183 --> 00:31:29,003 Judge: Anyone who comes to this court and quotes you 646 00:31:29,033 --> 00:31:31,183 as using that word in dealing with 647 00:31:31,216 --> 00:31:32,476 African-Americans would be a liar? 648 00:31:33,016 --> 00:31:34,116 Would they not, detective Fuhrman? 649 00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:36,020 -Yes, they would. -All of them, correct? 650 00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:37,020 All of them. 651 00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:39,080 And it turns out that he was lying. 652 00:31:39,116 --> 00:31:41,046 I just kind of paused, and then he said, 653 00:31:41,083 --> 00:31:43,073 "If I had my way, I'd gather up -- 654 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:46,120 All the niggers would be gathered together and burned." 655 00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:47,400 So if he's lying about that, 656 00:31:47,433 --> 00:31:50,303 maybe he lied about planting the glove. 657 00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:54,383 Watts: Instead of it turning out to be O.J. Simpson on trial, 658 00:31:54,416 --> 00:31:57,446 Mark Fuhrman became on trial. 659 00:31:57,483 --> 00:32:00,373 His credibility was on trial. 660 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,000 The Los Angeles Police Department's credibility 661 00:32:04,033 --> 00:32:06,323 was on trial. 662 00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:09,030 Mr. Simpson is a man, 663 00:32:09,066 --> 00:32:12,276 not a stereotype, but flesh and blood, 664 00:32:12,316 --> 00:32:16,026 who can do both good and evil. 665 00:32:16,066 --> 00:32:18,276 Watts: Another important point of the trial 666 00:32:18,316 --> 00:32:23,266 is Marcia Clark's inability to control her witnesses 667 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,050 and really connect to the jury, 668 00:32:26,083 --> 00:32:28,003 and then it all boiled over one day 669 00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:30,353 when she had Kato Kaelin on the witness stand. 670 00:32:30,383 --> 00:32:32,033 Clark: Are you changing your testimony now, 671 00:32:32,066 --> 00:32:33,326 Mr. Kaelin? -No. 672 00:32:33,366 --> 00:32:35,396 Clark: Was he upset, or wasn't he when he talked about Nicole 673 00:32:35,433 --> 00:32:37,253 and her tight dresses? 674 00:32:41,433 --> 00:32:45,273 No, not real upset. It -- 675 00:32:47,016 --> 00:32:48,066 I'm going to ask the court 676 00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,220 to take this witness as a hostile witness. 677 00:32:52,266 --> 00:32:57,416 And he actually did the prosecution more bad than good. 678 00:32:57,450 --> 00:33:02,370 The day nobody will ever forget, when Darden had 679 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,320 O.J. Simpson try on the gloves. 680 00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:09,030 Your honor, I think that Mr. Simpson 681 00:33:09,066 --> 00:33:14,016 seems to be having a problem putting the glove on his hand. 682 00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:16,430 And that was a major turning point 683 00:33:16,466 --> 00:33:21,266 because if O.J. wasn't a very good actor, 684 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:27,280 back in those 1970 movies, in 1995 in the courthouse, 685 00:33:27,316 --> 00:33:29,426 he really portrayed himself well 686 00:33:29,466 --> 00:33:33,376 as a guy who couldn't fit those gloves. 687 00:33:33,416 --> 00:33:35,226 Velez-Mitchell: All along, the defense was picking away 688 00:33:35,266 --> 00:33:39,296 at the prosecution's case, and then came closing arguments. 689 00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:44,233 So much of the essential facts in this case 690 00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:47,096 are just shot through with reasonable doubt. 691 00:33:47,133 --> 00:33:49,283 If you were already convinced that O.J. Simpson 692 00:33:49,316 --> 00:33:52,476 simply didn't have it in him to do this, 693 00:33:53,016 --> 00:33:55,346 those closing arguments would have sealed the deal. 694 00:33:55,383 --> 00:33:59,473 Somebody manufactured evidence in this case. 695 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,250 There's missing blood. 696 00:34:01,283 --> 00:34:03,123 There's EDTA. 697 00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:08,030 There's questions, serious, deeply troubling questions. 698 00:34:08,066 --> 00:34:11,376 And then came the closing argument's finale, 699 00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,076 Johnnie Cochran. 700 00:34:13,116 --> 00:34:15,166 I'm not going to be part of the cover-up. 701 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,250 That's what I'm asking you do. 702 00:34:16,283 --> 00:34:19,083 Stop this cover-up. 703 00:34:24,383 --> 00:34:27,333 Judge: Mr. Cochran, you may make your concluding remarks. 704 00:34:27,366 --> 00:34:29,426 Cochran: Thank you, your honor, Judge Ito. 705 00:34:29,466 --> 00:34:32,326 Good afternoon again, ladies and gentlemen. 706 00:34:32,366 --> 00:34:37,196 It's been a long, long, long road to get to this point. 707 00:34:37,233 --> 00:34:41,323 Whether or not you disagree with the defense and their theories, 708 00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:46,050 Johnnie Cochran put on a show with his closing statements... 709 00:34:46,083 --> 00:34:47,173 Cochran: Something's wrong. 710 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,180 There's a cancer here. 711 00:34:49,216 --> 00:34:51,376 Guilty? Maybe not. 712 00:34:51,416 --> 00:34:53,466 "Maybe not" not's good enough when you're talking 713 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,170 about somebody's freedom for the rest of their lives. 714 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,280 ...including that famous moment. 715 00:34:59,316 --> 00:35:02,276 O.J. Simpson in a knit cap 716 00:35:02,316 --> 00:35:05,476 from two blocks away is still O.J. Simpson. 717 00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:07,296 It's no disguise. 718 00:35:07,333 --> 00:35:09,023 It's no disguise. 719 00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:10,280 It makes no sense. 720 00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,016 It doesn't fit. 721 00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:15,250 If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. 722 00:35:15,283 --> 00:35:18,433 It was controversial but masterful. 723 00:35:18,466 --> 00:35:24,416 ♪♪ 724 00:35:24,450 --> 00:35:29,380 After 9 months and more than 100 witnesses, the verdict. 725 00:35:30,316 --> 00:35:32,276 Alright. Mrs. Robertson, would you -- 726 00:35:32,316 --> 00:35:33,326 Do you have the envelope 727 00:35:33,366 --> 00:35:35,026 with the sealed verdict forms, please? 728 00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:36,096 -Yes, your honor. -Alright. 729 00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:38,353 Would you give those to Deputy Trower? 730 00:35:38,383 --> 00:35:40,333 Alright. Mr. Cochran and Mr. Simpson, 731 00:35:40,366 --> 00:35:42,326 would you please stand and face the jury? 732 00:35:42,366 --> 00:35:45,276 Hill: I was in the courthouse when the verdict was read, 733 00:35:45,316 --> 00:35:47,076 out in the hallway. 734 00:35:47,116 --> 00:35:49,066 Woman: In the matter of the people of the state of California 735 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:54,120 versus Orenthal James Simpson case number BA 097211, 736 00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:56,080 we, the jury, in the above-entitled action, 737 00:35:56,116 --> 00:35:59,066 find the defendant, Orenthal James Simpson, 738 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,000 not guilty of the crime of murder 739 00:36:01,033 --> 00:36:03,353 in violation of penal code section 187. 740 00:36:03,383 --> 00:36:06,373 -O.J.! O.J.! -Not guilty! 741 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,430 Hill: Outside, the crowd reacted with a lot of cheers. 742 00:36:10,466 --> 00:36:14,216 And one or more crimes of murder of the first or second-degree 743 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:16,100 to be not true. 744 00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:20,073 And I could remember I saw the families 745 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,370 of Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ron Goldman. 746 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,280 It was such a horrible sight. 747 00:36:24,316 --> 00:36:26,246 Did you feel sorry for the families 748 00:36:26,283 --> 00:36:28,183 when you came walking back in? 749 00:36:28,216 --> 00:36:30,076 -Very sad. -Oh, that's putting it mildly. 750 00:36:30,116 --> 00:36:31,226 -Oh, yeah. -Yeah, we cried. 751 00:36:31,266 --> 00:36:33,446 I mean, we actually cried back in the deliberation room 752 00:36:33,483 --> 00:36:35,123 because there was nothing 753 00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:36,450 that we could do to help these families. 754 00:36:36,483 --> 00:36:38,403 You know, they had lost they loved ones, 755 00:36:38,433 --> 00:36:40,133 and somebody out there had killed them, 756 00:36:40,166 --> 00:36:43,066 but there's nothing we personally could do. 757 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:44,220 We had to -- and you just feel a certain responsibility. 758 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:47,120 You're out there looking at these people every day. 759 00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:49,050 Brown: I was numb. 760 00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:50,483 I thought it was going to be a hung jury. 761 00:36:51,016 --> 00:36:54,046 I did not think that they were going convict him, 762 00:36:54,083 --> 00:36:56,233 but I did not think that they were going to let him off. 763 00:36:56,266 --> 00:36:59,126 I see this, and I can see a white backlash out of this. 764 00:36:59,166 --> 00:37:01,416 I was elated because I felt that he didn't do it. 765 00:37:01,450 --> 00:37:04,020 I just feel like my team just lost the Super Bowl. 766 00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:05,270 -Celebrate. -He's free. 767 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,130 -Yes. -After 9 whole months, 768 00:37:07,166 --> 00:37:10,376 and then we get this reaction that we were stupid, illiterate, 769 00:37:10,416 --> 00:37:13,296 that, you know, they didn't deliberate long enough. 770 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,353 How could they have gone over the evidence? 771 00:37:19,333 --> 00:37:21,123 Jury made a decision, and I'm sure they had 772 00:37:21,150 --> 00:37:23,000 all of the evidence to make the decision from. 773 00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:24,323 He's innocent. Jury says. 774 00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:26,250 It's our system. 775 00:37:26,283 --> 00:37:28,073 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 776 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,370 Brown: They had to use the race card 777 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,200 in order to get a guilty man off, you know, 778 00:37:32,233 --> 00:37:36,203 and that still just irks me like you have no idea 779 00:37:36,233 --> 00:37:39,023 because it was never about black and white. 780 00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:41,100 Ever a racial feeling about this to you? 781 00:37:41,133 --> 00:37:42,173 None whatsoever. No. 782 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,230 So you never said -- when Johnnie argued, 783 00:37:44,266 --> 00:37:46,176 "Make a statement for black people," that didn't move you? 784 00:37:46,216 --> 00:37:47,316 No, it did not move me. 785 00:37:47,350 --> 00:37:49,000 We're talking about a human being's life 786 00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:50,153 that's on the life here. 787 00:37:50,183 --> 00:37:53,053 I definitely believe there was planting. 788 00:37:53,083 --> 00:37:58,223 The theory of planting was very strong in my mind, 789 00:37:58,250 --> 00:38:01,280 so I definitely had a lot of doubt about the evidence 790 00:38:01,316 --> 00:38:04,416 and how it was collected. 791 00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:07,320 I have more black people, African-Americans 792 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,150 that come up to me now and say, "You know what? 793 00:38:09,183 --> 00:38:10,253 We knew he was guilty." 794 00:38:10,283 --> 00:38:13,033 The prosecution did not prove to me 795 00:38:13,066 --> 00:38:15,126 within a reasonable doubt that O.J. Simpson 796 00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:18,046 committed those murders. 797 00:38:18,083 --> 00:38:20,103 Ortega: I really don't blame people 798 00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:23,473 for looking into alternative theories about this case. 799 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,300 Any other person, I think prosecutors would tell you 800 00:38:26,333 --> 00:38:29,333 that they never get this much evidence 801 00:38:29,366 --> 00:38:31,346 pinning a person to the scene of a crime. 802 00:38:31,383 --> 00:38:34,073 The fact that he was famous, that he was able to afford 803 00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:38,170 such a high-profile, high-priced defense team 804 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,300 and other things that happened in that trial led to the result 805 00:38:40,333 --> 00:38:42,303 that's left people really unsatisfied. 806 00:38:42,333 --> 00:38:45,153 They want to fill that void and figure out, 807 00:38:45,183 --> 00:38:49,223 "Well, if O.J. did it, why wasn't he convicted? 808 00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:52,170 If he didn't do it, who else did it?" 809 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,270 Jason Simpson, the eldest male child 810 00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:58,320 of O.J. Simpson, will read a statement. 811 00:38:58,350 --> 00:39:00,270 A statement from my father. 812 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,000 "I am relieved that this part of the incredible nightmare 813 00:39:03,033 --> 00:39:08,153 that occurred on June 12th, 1994, is over. 814 00:39:08,183 --> 00:39:10,173 But when things have settled a bit, 815 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,130 I will pursue as my primary goal in life, 816 00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:15,446 the killer or killers who slaughtered Nicole 817 00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:18,133 and Mr. Goldman. 818 00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:19,416 They are out there somewhere. 819 00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:23,000 Whatever it takes to identify them and bring them in, 820 00:39:23,033 --> 00:39:24,423 I will provide somehow." 821 00:39:24,450 --> 00:39:32,270 ♪♪ 822 00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,130 O.J.'s legal troubles did not end 823 00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,266 with his acquittal in the criminal trial. 824 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:37,420 In a civil trial, 825 00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:39,180 where the burden of proof is much lower, 826 00:39:39,216 --> 00:39:42,326 O.J. was held liable for the slayings of Ron and Nicole, 827 00:39:42,366 --> 00:39:45,316 and he was ordered to pay $33.5 million 828 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:48,350 in damages to the families of the victims. 829 00:39:48,383 --> 00:39:50,173 The families say they brought the lawsuit 830 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,380 against O.J. for closure and justice. 831 00:39:53,416 --> 00:39:56,216 Now, in December of 2008, 832 00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:59,330 Simpson was sentenced to 33 years for armed robbery 833 00:39:59,366 --> 00:40:02,996 and kidnapping over sports memorabilia. 834 00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:07,173 This bizarre crime raises a final and striking irony 835 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,450 that the man who earned extraordinary levels of fame 836 00:40:09,483 --> 00:40:13,123 from his legendary successes in the game of football 837 00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:15,470 forfeited his freedom in a bumbling attempt 838 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,320 to steal his own football collectibles. 839 00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:21,080 Thanks for watching. 840 00:40:21,116 --> 00:40:22,296 Good night. 841 00:40:22,333 --> 00:40:25,353 ♪♪ 67546

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