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NOW WHAT I'M
GOING TO DO IS
STRAP DOWN YOUR ARMS

TO AVOID ANY EXCESSIVE
MOVEMENT ON YOUR PART

DURING THE EXPERIMENT.

- IS THAT TOO TIGHT?
- IT'S ALL RIGHT.

THIS ELECTRODE IS CONNECTED

TO THE SHOCK GENERATOR
IN THE NEXT ROOM.

AND THIS ELECTROPASTE
IS TO PROVIDE A GOOD CONTACT

TO AVOID ANY
BLISTER OR BURN.

- ( continuous buzzing )
- NOW HE'LL GET A SHOCK
OF 75 VOLTS.

HE KIND OF DID
SOME YELLING IN THERE.

- 75 VOLTS, JIM.
- ( man yells )

( chuckles )
HE YELLED OUT.

- Dr. Milgram: PLEASE CONTINUE.
- THIS WILL BE AT 330.

JUST HOW FAR CAN YOU GO
ON THIS THING?

Dr. Milgram:
AS FAR AS IS NECESSARY.

Man:
I CAN'T STAND THE PAIN!
HELP ME OUT OF HERE!

HE CAN'T STAND IT.
I'M NOT GONNA KILL
THAT MAN IN THERE.

- YOU HEAR HIM
HOLLERING IN THERE?
- Dr. Milgram: AS I SAID BEFORE,

- THE SHOCKS MAY BE PAINFUL,
BUT THEY'RE NOT DANGEROUS.
- YEAH, BUT HE'S HOLLERING.

HE CAN'T STAND IT.
WHAT IF SOMETHING
HAPPENS TO HIM?

THE EXPERIMENT REQUIRES
THAT YOU CONTINUE TEACHING.

YEAH, BUT, UH...
( chuckles )

I'M NOT GONNA GET
THAT MAN SICK IN THERE.

I MEAN,
HE'S HOLLERING IN THERE.

WHO'S GONNA TAKE
THE RESPONSIBILITY IF ANYTHING
HAPPENS TO THAT GENTLEMAN?

I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING
THAT HAPPENS HERE.

- CONTINUE, PLEASE.
- 285 VOLTS.

CONTINUE, PLEASE.

Man:
THAT PLACE TURNED ME
INTO A MONSTER.

I WAS VERY ANGRY.

JUST BEING
IN ABU GHRAIB WILL CHANGE
YOUR WHOLE MIND FRAME.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO
FROM BEING A DOCILE,

YOU KNOW,
JOLLY GUY--

AND YOU GO TO ABU GHRAIB
FOR A FEW--

YOU KNOW, JUST BEING
IN IRAQ FOR A WHILE,

YOU BECOME,
YOU KNOW, A ROBOT.

Man #2:
IT WAS A DOOR THAT I WAS
AFRAID TO WALK THROUGH.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU WALK
THROUGH IT,

AT WHICH POINT DO YOU SAY
IT'S ENOUGH?

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S CRUEL ENOUGH?
WHAT'S-- WHAT'S--

HOW DO YOU GO BACK
FROM THAT?

AND I WAS AFRAID THAT--

I-I JUST WANTED
TO COME BACK--

THAT I WOULD JUST
GET LOST.

Woman:
SOMETHING IN YOUR
BRAIN CLICKS,

THAT EVERYTHING YOU SEE
IS-- IS NORMAL.

I MEAN, YOU'LL GO CRAZY

IF YOU DON'T ADAPT
TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.

YOU GOTTA BLOCK IT OUT.

YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING
TO MAKE YOUR DAY GO BY

WITHOUT GOING CRAZY.

President Bush:
These acts of mass murder
were intended

to frighten our nation
into chaos and retreat.

But they have failed.

Our country is strong.

A great people
has been moved

to defend
a great nation.

America and our friends
and allies

join with all those
who want peace and security
in the world.

And we stand together
to win the war against
terrorism.

Israel Rivera:
I WAS IN ALGEBRA II CLASS.

AND IT WAS JUST
A REGULAR DAY.

WE WERE SITTING DOWN
WAITING FOR CLASS.

AND THEN THERE WAS
AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

IT WAS BROUGHT
INTO REAL RETROSPECT

WHEN MY FRIEND CHRIS,

HE LEANED OVER
AND HE'S LIKE,

"HEY, AREN'T YOU
IN THE RESERVES?"

I THOUGHT,
"YES. YES, I AM.
I AM IN THE RESERVES.

HOW IS THIS
GOING TO AFFECT ME?"

Megan Ambuhl:
THE ULTIMATE REASON
I JOINED WAS

TO BE A PART OF THE EFFORT
TO MAKE THE COUNTRY
A SAFER PLACE.

I WANTED TO HELP
PROTECT OUR COUNTRY

SO THAT THESE PEOPLE

THAT WANTED TO COME IN
AND ATTACK US

WOULDN'T HAVE
THAT OPPORTUNITY AGAIN.

Javal Davis:
AND IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

IT MADE ME FEEL
LIKE, YOU KNOW,
SOMEONE HAS TO PAY.

IT'S LIKE, WE CAN'T LET
TWO BUILDINGS GET BLOWN UP

AND NOT DO ANYTHING
ABOUT IT.

President Bush:
On my orders,

the United State military
has begun strikes

against Al Qaeda terrorist
training camps

and military installations
of the Taliban regime

in Afghanistan.

And we will do
whatever it takes
to smoke 'em out

and get 'em runnin'.
And we will get 'em.

John Yoo:
THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
QUESTION

DOESN'T REALLY
COME UP UNTIL THE WAR
IN AFGHANISTAN STARTS

AND PEOPLE
START TO COME

INTO THE CUSTODY
OF OUR FORCES THERE.

AND SO THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
WANTS TO KNOW,

"WHAT IS THE STATUS OF
THE PEOPLE WE'RE CATCHING--

AL QAEDA AND TALIBAN
FIGHTERS?"

Alberto Mora:
THE FOUR CURRENT
GENEVA CONVENTIONS

WERE ADOPTED IN 1949

AND THEY REPRESENT
THE STANDARDS

AGAINST WHICH ALL NATIONS
AND ALL COMBATING FORCES

ARE GONNA BE--
WILL BE JUDGED.

THEY'RE BINDING
INTERNATIONAL LAW

AND THEY REPRESENT

A HUMANITARIAN
HUMAN-RIGHTS STANDARD
FOR THE WORLD.

THEY'RE IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THE U.S. MILITARY

HAS BEEN FREQUENTLY
ENGAGED IN COMBAT.

AMERICAN FORCES ARE ALWAYS
AT RISK OF BEING CAPTURED

AND THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
PROTECT AMERICAN SOLDIERS

FROM ILL-TREATMENT
IN THE EVENT OF CAPTURE.

AFTER THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR

AND UP UNTIL
THE SECOND WORLD WAR,

THE UNITED STATES WAS
CONSISTENTLY KNOWN

FOR OBSERVING STANDARDS
THAT WERE IN FACT HIGHER

THAN THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
STANDARDS

AND CONSISTENTLY
ADVOCATING THAT ALL
COUNTRIES SHOULD OPERATE

TO A LEVEL ABOVE
THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
STANDARDS.

Yoo:
AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT,

WE DID NOT THINK THAT
THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS APPLIED

IN THE WAR
AGAINST AL QAEDA

BECAUSE THEY DID NOT
SIGN THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS

AND THEY DON'T FOLLOW
ANY OF THE RULES OF WARFARE.

AL QAEDA-- IF YOU LOOK
AT WHAT HAPPENED IN 9/11--

HAS NO INTEREST IN FOLLOWING
ANY OF THOSE RULES.

THEY DELIBERATELY
KILL CIVILIANS.

THEY DELIBERATELY
TARGET CIVILIANS.

THEY DISGUISE THEMSELVES
AS CIVILIANS.

THEY DON'T TAKE PRISONERS,
AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL.L.

INSTEAD, THEY TRY
TO KIDNAP PEOPLE

AND EXECUTE THEM
ON THE WEB OR ON TELEVISION.

Mark Danner:
OFFICIALS IN THE WHITE HOUSE,

AND PARTICULARLY
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE,

SAID THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
SHOULDN'T HOLD SWAY.

AND THAT POINT OF VIEW
FINALLY TRIUMPHED.

THE PRESIDENT
MADE THE DECISION
EARLY IN 2002

THAT THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
WOULD NOT HOLD.

AND THIS WAS UNPRECEDENTED
IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

IT NEVER HAPPENED
BEFORE.

THE WAR IS A TERRIBLE THING

AND IT'S ALWAYS RIGHT
ON THE EDGE OF FALLING APART,

OF AWFUL THINGS HAPPENING.

AND THE ONLY WAY--
SORT OF IRONICALLY--

THE ONLY TO CONDUCT
A WAR IN A CIVILIZED MANNER

IS TO ENSURE
THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS
WHAT THE RULES ARE

TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT
POSSIBLE.

AND WHEN YOU START
MESSING AROUND WITH
THOSE RULES,

WHEN YOU SAY
THEY DON'T APPLY--

"THEY'RE ALL TERRORISTS,
SO DIFFERENT RULES APPLY"--

NOW YOU'RE
IN UNLIMITED WARFARE.

Donald Rumsfeld:
They'll be handled
not as prisoners of wars--

because they're not--
but as unlawful combatants.

Uh, they--
as I understand it,

technically,
unlawful combatants
do not have any rights

under the Geneva
Convention.

THIS WAR WAS A WAR
THAT WAS GOING TO DEPEND

FIRST AND FOREMOST
ON INTELLIGENCE--

THAT IS,
ON INFORMATION

DERIVED FROM
PRISONERS OF WAR.

THEREFORE, RULES
REGARDING INTERROGATION--

WHAT YOU COULD AND
COULDN'T DO TO PRISONERS--

WERE ABSOLUTELY CENTRAL
TO FIGHTING THIS NEW WAR.

Danner:
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
BUILT A THEORY

THAT ESSENTIALLY
WOULD RENDER MOOT,

RENDER POWERLESS,
THE VARIOUS UNDERTAKINGS

THAT THE UNITED STATES
HAD SIGNED ON TO

THAT PROHIBITED TORTURE--

THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE
IS THE CONVENTION
AGAINST TORTURE.

Yoo: THE STATUTE DOES NOT DEFINE
MANY OF THE TERMS THAT IT USES.

IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT "SEVERE"
MEANS, FOR EXAMPLE.

IT DOESN'T REALLY
CONTAIN ANY DEFINITION OF
"PHYSICAL PAIN OR SUFFERING."

SO OUR JOB WAS
TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT--

WHAT DID THAT STATUTE
ACTUALLY MEAN?

BECAUSE THE WORDS
ARE AMBIGUOUS, VAGUE,

AND HAD NOT BEEN
INTERPRETED BEFORE.

OUR OFFICE
EVENTUALLY ISSUED A MEMO
IN AUGUST OF 2002

TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

"PHYSICAL PAIN
AMOUNTING TO TORTURE

MUST BE EQUIVALENT
IN INTENSITY TO THE PAIN

ACCOMPANYING
SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY

SUCH AS ORGAN FAILURE,

IMPAIRMENT
OF BODILY FUNCTION,

OR EVEN DEATH."

THE HEART OF THIS ARGUMENT
IS TO REDEFINE TORTURE

SO IT'S SO NARROWLY
CONCEIVED,

IT ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS VERY
VERY SEVERE INTERROGATION

THAT CANNOT BE CONSTRUED
TO BE TORTURE.

WHAT THIS MEMO ARTICULATES
IS THE VIEW

THAT TORTURE IS PROHIBITED
AND TORTURE--

BUT TORTURE IS DEFINED
VERY VERY NARROWLY

TO CONSIST ALMOST
OF IMMINENT DEATH

OR LOSS OF BODILY
ORGAN OR FUNCTION--

UM, A--

A DEFINITION OF TORTURE
THAT WAS LATER CRITICIZED
BY ANOTHER OBSERVER

AS THE KIND
OF DEFINITION THAT PROBABLY
WOULD HAVE JUSTIFIED

MOST OF WHAT SADDAM HUSSEIN
WAS DOING IN HIS PRISONS
AS NOT BEING TORTURE.

I CAN REMEMBER
SITTING IN MY OFFICE

AND READING
SOME OF THESE MEMOS.

IT WAS STUNNING.
IT TOOK-- IT LITERALLY
TOOK MY BREATH AWAY.

I-I COULDN'T BELIEVE
THAT I WAS READING THIS

AND THAT IT HADN'T BEEN
SHREDDED

AND BURNED AND BURIED

AS THE WILD IMAGINATIONS

OF SOME...

LOWLY LAWYER
IN THE BOWELS OF JUSTICE

THAT SHOULD NEVER SEE
THE LIGHT OF DAY.

BUT NOW SUDDENLY
IT'S BECOME U.S. POLICY.
( chuckles )

President Bush:
Iraq continues to flaunt
its hostility

toward America
and to support terror.

The terrorist threat
to America and the world

will be diminished
the moment

that Saddam Hussein
is disarmed.

And we believe he has in fact
reconstituted nuclear weapons.

There's no doubt
in my mind

that he has weapons--
chemical, biological weapons--

and has been working
on nuclear weapons.

Javal Davis:
WHEN WE FIRST GOT TO IRAQ,
WE SAW, YOU KNOW,

ALL THE BLOWN-UP TANKS
THAT WERE BOMBED
FROM THE SKY,

YOU KNOW,
BULLET HOLES EVERYWHERE.

IT WAS LIKE GOING
TO A "MAD MAX" MOVIE--

LIKE "MAD MAX,
RETURN TO THUNDERDOME."

- ( grunts )
- Javal Davis: LIKE,
"WOW, I'M AT WAR."

LIKE, "WOW!"
YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST LIKE--

PART OF YOU WAS LIKE,
"THIS IS COOL."

AND THEN ANOTHER
PART OF YOU WAS LIKE, "DAMN!
WELL, WE GOTTA DO THIS,

- BUT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA PAY."
- ( machine-gun fire )

Ken Davis:
I REMEMBER,
AS WE LEFT KUWAIT,

I VOLUNTEERED
TO BE A GUNNER.

IT WAS A 12-HOUR RIDE.
I SAID, "I'LL GUN.

I'M NEW HERE.
JUST TELL ME WHAT
I'M LOOKING FOR

AND I'LL GUN ALL DAY
ON THIS WHOLE CONVOY."

AND I SAID,
"BUT THE ONLY THING
I NEED TO KNOW

IS THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT."

AND THEY ALL
KIND OF LOOKED AT ME.

I'M LIKE, "I NEED
OUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.

I'VE NEVER BEEN
IN A COMBAT ZONE BEFORE."
AND THEY SAID,

"WELL, IF IT LOOKS
LIKE THE ENEMY,

SHOOT IT."

I'M LIKE,
"NO NO, I'M 'IOUS.

I NEED
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT--

WHAT CONSTITUTES THE ENEMY,
WHATEVER."

"WE JUST TOLD YOU,
SERGEANT.

IF IT LOOKS LIKE
THE ENEMY, SHOOT IT."

AND I LOOKED AT HIM,
I SAID, "YOU KNOW,

I'VE REALLY NEVER BEEN
OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE
THE ENEMY TO ME OUT HERE."

Man:
ARE WE LEAVING THE OTHER ONES?
JUST TAKE THEM...

Tony Lagouranis:
UNITS IN IRAQ ARE
PICKING UP PEOPLE

ON HUNCHES
AND SUSPICIONS.

FOR INSTANCE, YOU'LL GET
AN INTELLIGENCE REPORT

THAT SOMEONE DRIVING
A BLACK OPEL--

WHICH IS A MODEL
OF CAR OVER THERE--

WAS INVOLVED
IN AN I.E.D. ATTACK.

SO THEY'LL JUST ROUND UP
PEOPLE WITH BLACK OPELS

AND BRING THEM IN
FOR INTERROGATION.

ANY-- ANY KIND
OF HUNCH THAT--
THAT THESE UNITS HAD,

THEY WOULD ACT ON IT
AND ARREST PEOPLE.

THEY JUST ARRESTED
EVERYONE.

Roman Krol:
I HEARD THAT
OVER 30,000 PEOPLE

WERE EXECUTED OVER THERE
DURING SADDAM'S REGIME...

THAT THEY WERE
BURIED RIGHT THERE--

MOST OF THEM WERE.

AND JUST
VERY HORRIBLE STORIES...

ABOUT PRISONER TORTURE.

OF COURSE, THERE WERE
PICTURES OF SADDAM

ALL OVER THE PRISON.

THE PLACE WAS HORRIBLE.

THERE WERE WILD DOGS
RUNNING AROUND,

DIGGING OUT
HUMAN BODIES.

Javal Davis:
THERE WAS A PLACE
INSIDE THE PRISON--

LIKE, "THE DEATH CHAMBER"
THAT WE CALLED IT--

WHERE THERE WERE
TWO HOLES IN THE FLOOR

AND HANGING HOOKS,
YOU KNOW.

THEY SAID THEY HUNG PEOPLE
EVERY DAY.

THEY'D HANG, LIKE,
80-100 PEOPLE A DAY
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WHERE WE LIVED AT,
IN OUR BARRACKS,

THERE WAS TWO OVENS
IN THERE

THAT WE--

WHAT YOU'D CALL
AN INCINERATOR FOR BODIES.

THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE,
"OKAY, WHOA.
( chuckles )

WHERE ARE WE LIVING AT?
YOU KNOW HOW MANY
LOST SOULS,

OR DISPLACED SOULS,
ARE WALKING AROUND HERE?"

Rivera:
IT WAS VERY VERY HOT.

THE HEAT INDEX
IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT
WAS 130.

AND THE ODOR WAS, UM--

I WILL NEVER FORGET
THE SMELL OF ABU GHRAIB--

THE SMELL
OF SWEAT AND TRASH

AND FECES AND URINE
WAFTING THROUGH THE AIR.

IT'S JUST--
I WILL NEVER FORGET
THE SMELL OF ABU GHRAIB.

JUST "A DESERT BOWL
OF MISERY"

IS THE ONLY WAY
TO DESCRIBE IT.

Sam Provance:
AND THE PLACE WAS
JUST SO DARK.

YOU KNOW, AND--
AND YOU KNEW THE HISTORY.

AND, I MEAN, LIKE--
IT FELT LIKE IT WAS
A HAUNTED PLACE.

YOU KNOW,
LIKE AT NIGHTTIME

THERE WERE CERTAIN
HALLWAYS YOU WOULDN'T
WANNA GO DOWN BY YOURSELF

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
YOU WERE AFRAID

THERE MIGHT BE
A GHOST OR SOMETHING.

AND YOU KNEW
IF SOMETHING WAS THERE,
IT WAS REALLY PISSED OFF.

IT WAS JUST
THE MOST SURREAL PLACE,

YOU KNOW,
YOU CAN IMAGINE.

IT'S LIKE A COMBINATION OF
"APOCALYPSE NOW" MEETS
"THE SHINING,"

EXCEPT THAT
THIS IS REAL

AND YOU'RE
IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

MAJOR COMBAT OPERATIONS
IN IRAQ HAVE ENDED.

IN THE BATTLE OF IRAQ,

THE UNITED STATES
AND OUR ALLIES

HAVE PREVAILED.

Man: WE'VE GOT

FUCKING AT LEAST THREE
MISSILES HERE.

Janis Karpinski:
WE REQUESTED RESOURCES
AND ASSISTANCE

MANY TIMES,
ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS,

AT SOME POINTS PRACTICALLY
PLEADING FOR RESOURCES,

NOT ONLY FOR ABU GHRAIB,
BUT FOR ALL OF THE OTHER
PRISON FACILITIES

WE WERE TRYING
TO RESTORE AND REOPEN.

SOMEBODY HAD
THIS CRAZY IDEA

THAT THEY COULD RESTORE
ALL OF THE PRISON SYSTEMS

AND GET THE NEW
IRAQI GUARDS RETRAINED
IN THE RIGHT WAY

TO DO AN APPROPRIATE
PRISON OPERATION

IN 90 DAYS OR LESS.

THERE WAS NO--
THERE WAS NO PLAN
FOR ANYTHING.

Javal Davis:
WE GET THERE
AND WE'RE TOLD,

"OKAY, PUT YOUR WEAPONS AWAY.
PUT YOUR TRUCKS AWAY
AND PARK THEM.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA
NEED THEM ANY LONGER."
LIKE, "WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT?"

WELL, THESE PEOPLE
THAT WERE THERE SAID,

"OKAY, NO, YOU'RE GOING
TO BE PRISON GUARDS.

YOU'RE GONNA AUGMENT
THE GUARD FORCE INSIDE."

SO OUR COMMANDER WAS LIKE,
"HEY, WHAT ARE WE DOING?

WE'RE NOT CORRECTIONS."

HE WAS LIKE, "OUR GUYS
HAVE NEVER BEEN TRAINED
TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT."

SO, HENCE WE PUT
OUR WEAPONS AWAY,

OUR TONS
OF AMMUNITION AWAY,

AND WE BECAME
PRISON GUARDS

WITH NO TRAINING
WHATSOEVER.

AND WE ALL LOOK
AT EACH OTHER-- "WHAT?

WE-- THE 72nd M.P. COMPANY
IS LEAVING

AND WE ARE GONNA TAKE
THEIR PLACE."

IF THERE WAS EVER
A TURN IN MORALE,
IT WAS RIGHT THERE--

THAT I COULD SEE.

EVERYTHING JUST HIT
ROCK BOTTOM.

Javal Davis:
ABU GHRAIB TURNED OUT
TO BE

THE MOST ATTACKED

U.S. POSITION IN IRAQ.

I MEAN, THEY GOT SHELLED
EVERY DAY,

SHOT AT EVERY DAY,

EVERY SINGLE DAY,
ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.

AND THERE WAS HOLES

IN ONE OF THE WALLS
FROM SHRAPNEL

THAT A MORTAR
HAD JUST HIT.

I THINK IT WAS MAYBE
A WEEK BEFORE WE CAME

OR A COUPLE OF DAYS
BEFORE WE CAME.

AND HE WAS TELLING US
HOW THE GUY WAS PRAYING

AND A MORTAR HIT
AND KILLED A BUNCH
OF PRISONERS.

SO THAT MADE IT--

YOU DEFINITELY DIDN'T
FEEL SAFE BEING THERE.

Javal Davis:
THE ROAD OUTSIDE
THE PRISON

IS THE MOST
DANGEROUS ROAD
ON THE PLANET EARTH.

YOU HAVE MORE FATALITIES
ON THAT ROAD,

MORE I.E.D.s
ON THAT ROAD,

MORE SHOTS FIRED
ON THAT ROAD THAN ON ANY
ROAD IN THE WORLD.

YOU COULD BE WALKING--
WALKING TO YOUR BARRACKS--

( mimics hissing )
BOOM!

OH, MAN.
"INCOMING! INCOMING!"

I WOULDN'T WISH IT
ON MY WORST ENEMY.

YEAH.

- THAT'S RIGHT, ABU GHETTO.
- GHETTO ABU.

OH, YOU DON'T WANNA SAY IT?!
YOU DON'T WANNA SAY IT?!

- ( men laughing )
- FUCKING BITCH!

- FUCKING BITCH!
- ( laughing continues )

( man laughing )
YEAH.

Karpinski:
IN JULY AND AUGUST,

THE PRISON POPULATION
WAS FAIRLY STABLE.

AND I WOULD SAY,
AT THE HIGHEST NUMBERS,

IT WAS STILL
LESS THAN 1000.

BY THE END
OF SEPTEMBER,

IT WENT TO OVER 6,000!

WE HAD
JUST SHORT OF 300

MILITARY POLICE PERSONNEL
AT ABU GHRAIB

TO GUARD THOUSANDS
OF PRISONERS.

Provance:
YOU HAD THE GENERAL
POPULATION PRISONERS

WHICH WERE,
BASICALLY,

A HUGE MASS
OF HUMANITY

YOU KNOW, THROWN
INTO A MUD PIT

SURROUNDED
BY CONCERTINA WIRE.

AND THEN YOU HAD
THE HARD SITES,

WHICH IS WHERE
THE INTEL HOLDS WERE AT,

WELL, THE INSANE
OR THE CRIMINAL.

AND THEN
THERE WAS AN EVEN MORE--
THE MOST SECURE SECTION WAS

WHERE THEY HAD THE WOMEN
AND THE CHILDREN.

Javal Davis:
THE FEW ONES
THAT WE HAD WERE,

YOU KNOW, THE SPOUSES
OR SISTERS OR COUSINS

OF HIGH-VALUE DETAINEES
THAT WERE BEING USED AS,

"OKAY, WELL,
WE HAVE YOUR SISTER,
WE HAVE YOUR WIFE.

YOU NEED TO
TURN YOURSELF IN."

SAME THING WITH
THE LITTLE CHILDREN.

I MEAN, WE HAD, LIKE,
NINE-YEAR-OLDS IN THERE.
I'M LIKE,

"WHY DO I HAVE
A NINE-YEAR-OLD IN A PRISON?
THAT'S CRAZY."

BUT YEAH,
THAT'S WHAT WAS THERE.

I WAS CHOSEN
TO WORK AT THE HARD SITE
'CAUSE I'M A FEMALE

AND THEY NEEDED
FEMALES WORKING 1B.

AND THAT'S MAINLY
WHERE THEY STUCK ME

WHEN MEGAN AMBUHL
WASN'T WORKING.

Ambuhl:
IN THE HARD SITE

THERE WAS PROBABLY
SIX OR SEVEN GUARDS

GUARDING, I WOULD SAY,

AT LEAST 1000 DETAINEES,
IF NOT MORE.

AND YOU HAD
ALL THOSE--

IF ALL THOSE PRISONERS

GOT TO COORDINATE
AT ONE TIME,

YOU KNOW,
THE GUARDS THAT WERE
INSIDE OF THE COMPOUND

WOULD'VE BEEN--
THEY WOULD'VE BEEN DEAD.

IT WAS-- IT WAS

SUCH A SCARY SITUATION
TO LIVE UNDER.

Javal Davis:
THE PRISONERS
IN THE HARD SITE

WERE LIKE THE LOWEST
SCUM OF THE EARTH--

THE AL QAEDAS,
THE TALIBAN,

SADDAM HUSSEIN,
FEDAYEEN, WAHHABIS--

JUST ALL TERRORIST
BAD GUYS.

AND THEY WERE
AMERICAN-KILLERS.

WE WERE TOLD
THAT THESE DETAINEES

WERE THE WORST
OF THE WORST

AND THIS INFORMATION
THAT WE NEEDED TO GET

WAS GONNA SAVE LIVES.
IT WAS GONNA HAVE--

SOMEBODY SAID
AT ONE POINT

IT WAS GONNA HAVE
GLOBAL IMPLICATIONS.

Karpinski:
I THINK THE MILITARY
INTELLIGENCE PERSONNEL,

WERE CAUGHT
PRETTY MUCH BY SURPRISE

AT THIS NUMBER OF PRISONERS
BEING BROUGHT IN

THAT HAD TO UNDERGO
AN INTERVIEW AT LEAST,

OR INTERROGATIONS.

THEIR ASSESSMENT
WITHIN THE FIRST
COUPLE OF WEEKS WAS--

"YOU KNOW, MA'AM,
MOST OF THEM ARE JUST
GUILTY OF BEING

IN THE WRONG PLACE
AT THE WRONG TIME. THEY DON'T
HAVE ANY INFORMATION."

WELL, ACCORDING TO THEM
AT THAT TIME, IT WAS--

ABOUT 75% TO 80%
OF THE PEOPL

REALLY DIDN'T HAVE
ANY INFORMATION
OF VALUE

OR ANY INFORMATION AT ALL
ABOUT TERRORISM.

THE INTERROGATORS
THAT I WORKED WITH
AT ABU GHRAIB

WERE ALL EXTREMELY
FRUSTRATED BY THE LACK
OF INTELLIGENCE

THEY WERE GETTING
DURING INTERROGATIONS.

AND MOST OF THEM
ATTRIBUTED THAT
TO THE FACT

THAT THEY HAD PRISONERS
WHO DIDN'T HAVE INTELLIGENCE
TO GIVE THEM.

THE INTERROGATORS
WHO WERE IN MY UNIT
SPENT ALL YEAR THERE

AND THEY WERE TELLING ME
THAT THEY GOT NOTHING.

Danner:
IN THE SUMMER OF 2003

THE INSURGENCY GREW
AT A VERY RAPID RATE.

YOU HAD THE BOMBING OF THE
U.N. HEADQUARTERS IN AUGUST,

THE BOMBING
OF THE JORDANIAN EMBASSY,

THE BOMBING
OF THE TURKISH EMBASSY,

AND THEN AT THE END
OF OCTOBER

THE ATTACK
ON THE RASHID HOTEL

WHERE MOST AMERICAN WORKERS
IN THE GREEN ZONE
WERE HOUSED.

President Bush:
Thanks to the United States
of America,

50 million people

once lived under tyranny

and today they live
in freedom.

Danner:
THE AMERICAN MILITARY HAD
NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE WERE.

HOW DO WE FIGHT
AN ENEMY WE CANNOT SEE?

THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT
IS TO INTERROGATE
ENOUGH PEOPLE

THAT WE WILL GET
USABLE INTELLIGENCE
THAT WILL ALLOW US

TO NIP THE INSURGENCY
IN THE BUD.

- ( clamoring )
- AND I THINK THERE WAS
A DEGREE OF PANIC

ABOUT THE LACK
OF INTELLIGENCE
AND THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

ABOUT THE INSURGENCY.

RUMSFELD WAS OPENLY
IRRITATED ABOUT IT.

AND THEN WE COME
TO ACCOUNTS

IN THE SUMMER
OF 2003

OF AN INTELLIGENCE
BRIEFING

THAT OCCURRED
AT THE PENTAGON

INVOLVING RUMSFELD,
CAMBONE,

A HANDFUL OF OTHER
SENIOR OFFICERS,

AND HE'S DESCRIBED
AS BEING OPENLY ANGRY,

POUNDING HIS FIST
ON THE TABLE

AND ASKING
IN A TAUNTING WAY,

"WHY IS IT
THAT GUANTANAMO

GOOD INTEL--
GETS@
JUST WHAT I WANT--

AND I DON'T GET THIS
OUT OF IRAQ?

I'VE HAD IT WITH THIS.

I WANT YOU TO GET MILLER
OUT TO IRAQ

AND 'GITMO-IZE' THE SITUATION,
AND DO IT FAST."

Danner:
AND MILLER BY ALL ACCOUNTS
IS A MAN

WHO IS IN A WAY
RUMSFELD'S KIND OF OFFICER,

WHICH IS TO SAY
HE DOESN'T CARE
ABOUT PAST PRACTICE,

HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT
TRADITION NECESSARILY.

WHAT HE CARES ABOUT
IS GETTING RESULTS.

AND HE ESTABLISHED
A SYSTEM IN GUANTANAMO

THAT WAS BASED ENTIRELY

AROUND GETTING INFORMATION
FROM THESE DETAINEES,

WHICH IS TO SAY,

USING HARSHER
INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES.

I am telling you
what I believe

in every inch of my body
to be the truth.

And I have spent a lot
of time on secure video

with the people
down there.

I have talked to people
that have been down there
and come back

and I haven't found
a single scrap

of any kind
of information

that suggests that anyone
has been treated

anything other
than humanely,

notwithstanding everything
we have read and heard.

AT THE TIME
THERE WERE RUMORS
COMING OUT OF GUANTANAMO

THAT PRISONERS
WERE BEING ABUSED.

CERTAINLY, CERTAIN OF
THE HUMAN-RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS

HAD DETECTED THOSE KINDS
OF RUMORS AND WRITTEN LETTERS
TO THE ADMINISTRATION

URGING THE ADMINISTRATION
NOT TO ENGAGE IN THIS KIND
OF PRACTICE.

SO I THINK WORD
WAS STARTING TO LEAK OUT

AS TO SOMETHING OCCURRING
IN GUANTANAMO.

GENERAL MILLER AT GUANTANAMO
TURNED GUANTANAMO

FROM A CONVENTIONAL U.S.
MILITARY PRISON

THAT WOULD ABIDE
BY THE LAWS OF WAR

INTO A KIND OF
AD HOC BEHAVIORAL LABORATORY

FOR THE INTRODUCTION
OF THE USE OF EXTREME
TECHNIQUES.

Danner:
A LOT OF WHAT WE KNOW
ABOUT WHAT WENT ON IN THE CELLS

DURING INTERROGATIONS
AT GUANTANAMO

WE KNOW FROM FBI OFFICERS
WHO WENT DOWN

AND WERE WORKING
AT GUANTANAMO

AN IN ESSENCE OBSERVING
WHAT THE ARMY INTERROGATORS
WERE DOING.

WE HAVE A NUMBER
OF EMAILS AND REPORTS
THAT HAVE BEEN DECLASSIFIED

BY THESE FBI PEOPLE--
COUNTERTERRORISM OFFICIALS

WHO REPORTED
ON WHAT THEY SAW.

"ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS,"
HE WRITES, "I ENTERED
INTERVIEW ROOMS

TO FIND A DETAINEE
CHAINED HAND AND FOOT

IN A FETAL POSITION
ON THE FLOOR

WITH NO CHAIR, FOOD,
OR WATER.

MOST TIMES
THEY HAD URINATED
OR DEFECATED ON THEMSELVES

AND HAD BEEN LEFT THERE

FOR 18, 24 HOURS
OR MORE."

THESE PRACTICES,
WHEN YOU SEE THEM
ON BUREAUCRATIC DOCUMENTS,

SEEM ABSOLUTELY INOFFENSIVE,
ALMOST BENIGN.

AND THIS REPORT IS ONE
OF MANY MANY WE HAVE
FROM GUANTANAMO

SIMPLY REPORTING

ON THE FLESH-AND-BLOOD
REALITY

OF WHAT THOSE
BUREAUCRATIC-SOUNDING
NAMES MEAN.

McCoy:
DONALD RUMSFELD
APPROVED A MEMO

IN RESPONSE TO PRESSURES
FROM INTERROGATORS

IN DECEMBER OF 2002,

IN WHICH HE APPROVED
ALL SORTS OF ENHANCED
INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES.

WHAT HE ALLOWS IS
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT,

NOISE, LIGHT, DARK--

IN OTHER WORDS,
ENHANCED OR EXTREME
SENSORY DISORIENTATION.

Horton: THEY INCLUDE
STRESS POSITIONS,

AND THEY INCLUDE A SERIES
OF TECHNIQUES

DESIGNED TO UNDERMINE
THE SELF-CONFIDENCE
OF THE DETAINEE.

AND SUBSEQUENTLY WE LEARN
THAT THIS INCLUDES

SEXUAL HUMILIATION TECHNIQUES
AND FORCED NUDITY.

WHAT IS MOST SIGNIFICANT
IS THAT IN IT,

SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
DONALD RUMSFELD,
IN HIS OWN NAME,

APPROVES THE HARSHEST
INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES

THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED
IN THE HISTORY OF
OUR COUNTRY.

ON THE FINAL COPY OF THIS
SO-CALLED "ACTION MEMO"

YOU SEE, AFTER RUMSFELD
APPROVES CERTAIN OF
THESE PRACTICES,

INCLUDING
FORCED STANDING,

HE SAYS-- HE WRITES
AT THE BOTTOM,

"HOWEVER, I STAND
FOR 8-10 HOURS A DAY.

WHY IS STANDING
LIMITED TO FOUR HOURS?

D.R."--
DONALD RUMSFELD.

Mora:
THIS HANDWRITTEN COMMENT
BY SECRETARY RUMSFELD

COULD BE CONSIDERED
LIKE A WINK AND A NOD
TO THE INTERROGATORS,

SUGGESTING THAT-- "NEVER MIND
THE ACTUAL LIMITATIONS

CONTAINED
IN THE MEMORANDUM.

DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO
TO GET THE INFORMATION
REQUESTED."

Karpinski:
GENERAL MILLER
IS SENT TO IRAQ

TO HELP THEM GET
MORE ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE

FROM THESE THOUSANDS
OF SECURITY DETAINEES.

AND GENERAL MILLER
WITHOUT HESITATION SAID,

"LOOK, IT'S MY OPINION

YOU ARE TREATING
THE PRISONERS TOO WELL.

THEY DON'T KNOW
WHO'S IN CHARGE.

AND IF YOU DON'T TREAT
THE PRISONERS LIKE DOGS,

YOU HAVE
EFFECTIVELY LOST CONTROL
OF THE INTERROGATION."

AT THE CLOSE
OF GENERAL MILLER'S VISIT,

LIEUTENANT GENERAL
RICARDO SANCHEZ,

OVERALL COMMANDER
OF U.S. FORCES FOR IRAQ,

ISSUED A MEMORANDUM
FOR EXTREME TECHNIQUES--

TECHNIQUES THAT CAN BE--
SEEM TO BE IN VIOLATION

OF BOTH U.S.
AND INTERNATIONAL LAW.

I BELIEVE THEY THOUGHT
THEY WERE INTERPRETING

THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
AND APPLYING THEM.

I DON'T THINK THEY THOUGHT,
"WELL, THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
DON'T APPLY."

AND SO I THINK WHAT THEY
THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING

WAS FOLLOWING
THOSE STANDARDS

AND TRYING TO CREATE
INTERROGATION METHODS
BASED ON THEM.

Krol:
THERE WERE SO MANY
CHANGES IN POLICIES--

WHAT KIND
OF STRESS POSITIONS
YOU CAN USE FOR HOW LONG

AND, UM,
STUFF OF THAT NATURE

THAT WAS--
IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING.

IT WAS NEVER CLEAR TO ME
WHAT WAS ALLOWED AND WHAT
WASN'T ALLOWED IN IRAQ.

NO ONE EVER COULD MAKE
ANYTHING CLEAR TO ME.

WHEN THE QUESTIONS WERE
ASKED, IT WAS LIKE,

"HEY, I DON'T KNOW."

YOU KNOW, JUST--
NO ONE COULD ANSWER
QUESTIONS FOR US.

Harman:
ALL I REMEMBER IS
THE FIRST DAY I WORKED

AT THE HARD SITE.
AND THAT WAS--

( chuckles )
IT WAS OCTOBER 18,
I BELIEVE,

'CAUSE I WROTE
A LETTER HOME.

AND, UH...

ALL I KNEW WAS
THERE WAS AN INTERROGATION
GOING ON

AND THERE WAS A PRISONER
NICKNAMED "TAXICAB DRIVER"

WHO WAS HANDCUFFED
TO A WINDOW

BACKWARDS, NAKED,

IN ONE OF THE CELLS

AND THERE WAS
AN INTERROGATOR THERE.

I JUST LEFT IT ALONE.
I WROTE BACK HOME SAYING
I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT

AND I WENT TO WORK
THE NEXT DAY.

"WHAT'S GOING ON
WITH THE NAKEDNESS?"

IT'S LIKE, "WHY ARE ALL
THESE PEOPLE NAKED?"

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING
LIKE THAT BEFORE
IN MY LIFE--

YOU KNOW,
NAKED PRISONERS

WITH PANTIES
ON THEIR HEADS

AND IN COMPROMISING
POSITIONS, YOU KNOW--
LOCKED UP.

I SAID, "WHAT'S GOING ON
WITH THAT?"

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

I GOT IN THERE
AND THERE'S THIS NAKED KID

WHO'S OLD ENOUGH
TO BE MY YOUNGER SIBLING,

YOU KNOW, JUST--
JUST NAKED,

JUST HIDING HIS SHAME
WITH HIS HAND,

TRYING TO ANSWER
THESE QUESTIONS.

AND NO, WE--
NO ONE RAISED

ANY OBJECTION
OR ANY CONCERN.

IT WAS JUST--
IT WAS JUST BUSINESS.

AND OUR BUSINESS WAS SOMETIMES
CONDUCTED NAKED.

THE NUDITY AND THE SHACKLING
OF THE PRISONERS
WAS EVERY DAY--

EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE.

THE PRISONERS
THAT CAME IN

HAD TO BE
STRIP-SEARCHED

NO MATTER WHAT,
JUST AS A SECURITY.

USUALLY THEY CAME IN
WITH A SANDBAG
ON THEIR HEAD

BECAUSE THEIR HANDLER

DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY
TO KNOW THEY WERE THERE

OR DIDN'T WANT THEM

TO SEE ANYBODY ELSE
WHO WAS THERE.

SO THEY STOOD AROUND
NAKED

WITH A SANDBAG
ON THEIR HEAD,

STANDING ON A BOX
OR HOLDING SOMETHING,

NOT KNOWING
WHERE THEY WERE
OR WHAT WAS GOING ON.

WE KNOW THAT AFTER
GENERAL MILLER'S VISIT

TO ABU GHRAIB PRISON
AND TO IRAQ

IN AUGUST,
SEPTEMBER 2003,

THAT THE M.P.s WERE REMOVED
FROM THE CONTROL

OF GENERAL
JANIS KARPINSKI

WHO WAS THE COMMANDER
OF MILITARY POLICE
FOR IRAQ,

AND PLACED
UNDER THE CONTROL
OF MILITARY INTELLIGENCE.

THE M.P.s WERE THEN
NO LONGER PART OF,

IF YOU WILL, THE KIND OF
INCARCERATION STAFF.

THEY WERE
MOVED TO BE A PART
OF THE INTERROGATION STAFF.

SO THE M.P.s HAVE THE JOB
OF SOFTENING UP,

CREATING THE CONDITIONS
FOR EFFECTIVE INTERROGATION

BY THE MILITARY
INTERROGATORS.

Ken Davis:
WHAT HAPPENED
WHEN WE GOT TO ABU GHRAIB WAS,

MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
WAS PLACED IN CHARGE OF US.

M.I. AND O.G.A.,
WHO IS C.I.A.,

AND ALL THESE
OTHER CORPORATIONS,
THESE CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS

THAT DIDN'T ANSWER
TO ANYONE-- LIKE US--

WOULD COME IN AND TELL
OUR M.P.s,

"THIS GUY NEEDS TO HAVE
A BAD NIGHT."

"WHAT KIND OF BAD NIGHT?"
"USE YOUR IMAGINATION.

YOU CAN DO
THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS,

STRESS POSITIONS,
LOUD MUSIC.

DO WHATEVER
YOU WANNA DO TO HIM.

JUST MAKE SURE
THEY DON'T SLEEP.
WE NEED THAT INFORMATION."

THE M.I. PEOPLE,
THE SPECIFIC HANDLERS

WOULD HAVE ME
GIVE THE GUY--

GIVE WHICHEVER DETAINEE
LOTS OF SHOWERS DURING
THE DAY.

LIKE, THEY WOULD SAY,
"THIS GUY IS REALLY DIRTY.

WE WANT YOU TO GIVE HIM
LOTS OF SHOWERS.

WE WANT YOU TO STAND
IN THERE AND POINT
AND LAUGH AT HIM"

AND...

YOU KNOW, JUST BE THERE
WHILE HE-- SO HE'S
DEFINITELY AWARE

THAT I'M STANDING
THERE

WHILE HE'S FULLY NUDE.

LIKE, "HEY HEY,
SERGEANT DAVIS.
TAKE THESE NUMBERS DOWN--

PRISONER NUMBER 111777,"
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

"HE NEEDS TO BE UP
AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING,

GO TO BED AT 4:30,
BE UP AT 5:15,

GO TO BED AT 7:00,"
YOU KNOW?

"THIS PRISONER NUMBER
BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, DO THIS,
DO THAT.

TAKE THE RADIO
AND PUT THE MEGAPHONE UP

SO WE KEEP HIM UP
ALL NIGHT LONG.

BANG THE GARBAGE CAN,
SLAM THE DOORS.

IF THEY GO TO SLEEP,
THROW WATER ON THEM."

LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW?
"KEEP HIM AWAKE.

MAKE SURE THEIR LIFE
IS HELL TONIGHT."

IT'S FAR MORE
DIFFICULT

TO CURE THE VICTIMS
OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE

THAN IT IS TO CURE THOSE
WHO SUFFERED PHYSICAL TORTURE.

WE CALL PSYCHOLOGICAL
TORTURE IN THIS COUNTRY
"TORTURE LIGHT," OKAY?

IT'S NOT "TORTURE LIGHT."
IT'S THE MOST DAMAGING,
THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE.

Karpinski:
SERGEANT GRANER,
HE WAS SENT FOR

SPECIFICALLY TO WORK
THE NIGHT SHIFT

BECAUSE--
AS HE WAS TOLD--

BECAUSE OF HIS
"CIVILIAN PRISONS"
EXPERIENCE.

AND THEY NEEDED
SOMEBODY WITH THAT KIND
OF EXPERIENCE.

Ambuhl:
TIER 1 HAD JUST MYSELF

AND GRANER
AT THE TIME.

THERE WAS ONLY
TWO OF US,

AS FAR AS MILITARY POLICE,
THAT WERE ASSIGNED
TO THE TIER

ON A 12-HOUR SHIFT.

Ken Davis:
EARLY ON IN OCTOBER,

GRANER WAS HOARSE.
HE HAD A REAL RASPY VOICE.

AND I SAID,
"WHAT'S THE MATTER?
GRANER, ARE YOU SICK?"

HE GOES, "NO." HE SAYS,
"I'M HAVING TO YELL
AT THE DETAINEES."

AND I SAID,
"OH, REALLY?" HE GOES,
"I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU."

HE SAID, "M.I. AND O.G.A.
ARE MAKING ME DO THINGS

I FEEL ARE MORALLY
AND ETHICALLY WRONG.

WHAT SHOULD I DO?"

AND I LOOKED AT HIM
AND I SAID,

"DON'T DO IT."

HE GOES,
"I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE."

GET A LITTLE BIT
OF POWER--

"OH, YOU KNOW WHAT?
THIS FEELS PRETTY GOOD,
ACTUALLY."

YOU GET A LITTLE
BIT MORE POWER--
"WAIT A MINUTE, I NEED MORE.

I'M ADDICTED TO THIS POWER."
AND IT JUST STARTS BUILDING
AND BUILDING.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S
WHAT GRANER HAD.

HE GOT FREE REINS FROM PEOPLE
AND GOT ALL THIS POWER,

AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA
TURN THE REINS BACK OVER.

IT BECOMES WHO YOU ARE.
IT BECOMES WHAT YOU'RE
KNOWN FOR.

I DON'T FEEL
LIKE IT WAS MY PLACE
TO QUESTION ANYTHING

AS--

I'D JUST GOT OUT OF BASIC
AND THAT WASN'T--
( chuckles )

IT WAS LIKE,
IF YOU QUESTION YOUR ORDERS,

YOU AND YOUR BATTLE BUDDY
ARE GONNA DIE.

WE WERE AT WAR.
IT WAS NOT PRETTY.
IT WAS NOT NICE.

THESE GUYS KILLED PEOPLE--
OH, WELL.

AFTER A WHILE
YOU BECOME NUMB.

YOU JUST ZONE IT OUT.
EVERYONE DID.

YOU STARTED TO FORGET
WHAT YOU SAW THE DAY BEFORE,

'CAUSE THE NEXT DAY
WOULD ALWAYS USUALLY
BE WORSE.

SO YOU KIND OF WENT NUMB
THE DAY BEFORE

AND THEN IT JUST KEPT GOING.
IT WAS LIKE A CYCLE.

IT JUST BECAME SOMETHING
THAT YOU HAD--

YOU HAD TO GEAR YOURSELF UP
TO DO THAT.

I GUESS I'VE ALWAYS--

IF SOMETHING I HAD TO DO--

IF I DIDN'T LIKE TO DO IT,
I ALWAYS--

LIKE GOING TO THE DENTIST,
I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT IT

BUT I ALWAYS WENT
AND DID IT

EVEN THOUGH IT WAS
UNCOMFORTABLE.

IT JUST BLEW MY MIND
HOW IT WAS NORMAL,

YOU KNOW, THAT IT WAS
JUST NO BIG DEAL.

IT WAS JUST LIKE
A DAY AT WORK

TO SAY, "OKAY WE'RE GONNA DO
THIS TO THIS GUY. WE'RE GONNA
DO THAT TO THAT GUY."

AND I'M SITTING THERE
SAYING TO MYSELF, "MY GOD!

WHAT IS HAPPENING
TO THIS PLACE?

McCoy:
THE PART OF THIS
THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND

IS THE POWERFUL APPEAL,

AN ENORMOUS DESTRUCTIVENESS
OF TORTURE--

WHY, WHEN YOU GIVE
AN ORDER

AND YOU GIVE A SIGNAL
FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TORTURE,

WHY IT SPREADS
LIKE WILDFIRE.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING
AS A LITTLE BIT OF TORTURE.

Javal Davis:
WHEN WE HAD THAT RIOT,

THAT JUST SET
EVERYBODY OFF,

YOU KNOW,
INCLUDING MYSELF.

WE WERE JUST
LIKE, "THAT'S IT.
IT'S THE LAST STRAW."

THEY GATHERED UP
THE RIOTERS.

SO WE GOT THEM DOWN
TO 1A/B.

THE SOLDIER THREW
HIS PERSON ON THE FLOOR.

THEN ANOTHER SOLDIER THREW
THEIR PERSON ON THE FLOOR.

THEN I THREW MY PERSON I WAS
ESCORTING ON THE FLOOR.

I WAS ANGRY AND UPSET.

I WAS, UM--

I WONDERED LIKE, "WHY WOULD
YOU WANT TO ATTACK US?

I KNOW YOU'RE UPSET.
WE'RE UPSET TOO."

SO I TOOK
MY AGGRESSION OUT

'CAUSE, HEY,
IT'S BEEN OKAY
THIS WHOLE TIME.

Harman:
I WROTE THE WORD "RAPIST"
ON ONE OF THEM

BECAUSE HIS FACE SHEET SAID
HE WAS A RAPIST--

WHICH WAS COMMON PRACTICE,
TO WRITE ON PRISONERS,

JUST WRITING ON THEM.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY,

BUT I JUST
WROTE IT ON HIM.

Ambuhl:
I SAW THE ONE DETAINEE

IN THE STANDING--

THE SIMULATED FELLATIO.

AT THAT POINT FREDERICK
TOOK THE SANDBAG

OFF THE HEAD OF THE ONE

AND POINTED AT US
TO SHOW THEM

THAT THERE WAS
FEMALES WATCHING.

Javal Davis:
TO MY KNOWLEDGE THOSE GUYS
WERE GOING TO BE INTERROGATED

TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT
THE RIOT STARTING,

ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON,
WHAT WAS GOING NEXT.

SO THAT LED ME
TO BE LIKE,

"OKAY, THESE GUYS ARE GONNA
GET INTERROGATED,

SO I CAN HELP NOW."

I STEPPED ON THE TOE
OF ONE OF THE DETAINEES.

THEN I STEPPED ON THE HAND
OF ONE OF THE DETAINEES

AND I YELLED AT HIM.

THEN I LEANED ON THEM
WITH MY BODY WEIGHT.

LIKE, I FELL ON THE PILE.
WHEN I FELL ON THE PILE,
I WAS YELLING AT THEM.

Harman:
THEY WERE STRIPPED
ONE BY ONE

AND THEN STUCK
INTO A PYRAMID.

IF I SAW SOMETHING,
I TOOK A PHOTO OF IT.

THE FIRST THING I THINK OF
IS TAKE PHOTOS.

THAT PROBABLY SOUNDS
REALLY SICK

BUT I'M ALWAYS
TAKING PHOTOS.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ME.

I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN PHOTOS.

I WAS TAKING A PHOTO
FROM BEHIND

AND SERGEANT FREDERICK SAID,
"HEY, GET IN THE PHOTO"

OR "LET'S TAKE A PHOTO"
OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

GRANER WAS BEHIND ME
AND I JUST...

GAVE A THUMBS-UP AND SMILED.

I REALIZE IT WAS A PRETTY
STUPID THING TO DO RIGHT AWAY,

BUT IT HAPPENED.

Danner:
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY
TRUE THAT SOMEONE SAID,

"PUT THOSE
PEOPLE IN A PYRAMID--
A NAKED PYRAMID."

BUT THEY'RE PART OF A LARGER
UNIVERSE OF OTHER ACTS.

BECAUSE THERE WAS
SIGNIFICANT SADISM.

THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT
INDISCIPLINE.

THERE WAS
SIGNIFICANT ABUSE.

THE PROBLEM IS,
ALL OF IT TOOK PLACE

BECAUSE OF AN OVERWHELMING
OR AN OVERARCHING

DOCTRINAL PERMISSIVE
ENVIRONMENT

THAT ALLOWED YOU TO ALSO
BEAT PEOPLE UP

AND ALSO KEEP THEM AWAKE
AND ALSO SUBJECT THEM
TO STRESS POSITIONS

THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED,
IN EFFECT, BY THE SECRETARY
OF DEFENSE

AND BY THE THEATER COMMANDER,

LIEUTENANT GENERAL
RICARDO SANCHEZ.

Rivera:
THERE WAS A SOLDIER

WITH A SORT OF SPEAKER BOX.

AND HE WAS SHOUTING THINGS
INTO THIS ROOM.

"HEY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS
DOING IN THERE?

ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING IN THERE?
WHAT ARE YOU, FAGGOTS?"

OUT COME THESE THREE

NAKED PETRIFIED IRAQI MEN.

Ken Davis:
I GO AHEAD AND GO IN

AND GRANER TELLS ME THEY'RE
INTERROGATING THESE GUYS
OR WHATEVER.

THEN THEY HANDCUFFED
THEM TOGETHER.

AND THE ENTIRE TIME
THEY'RE YELLING, "CONFESS!

YOU KNOW YOU DID IT.
CONFESS!"

I'M THINKING, "OKAY,
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?"

THEY WERE ASKED TO GET DOWN
ON THEIR STOMACHS.

AND REMEMBER, THEY'RE
COMPLETELY NAKED.

THEY'RE ASKED TO GET DOWN
ON THEIR STOMACHS AND TO CRAWL
ON THE FLOOR.

SPECIALIST GRANER WAS SHOUTING,
"THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

GO DOWN FAR ENOUGH

TO WHERE YOUR GENITALS
ARE SCRAPING ON THE FLOOR."

AND THEY WERE
MADE TO CRAWL

ON THEIR STOMACHS
FROM THAT DOOR

TO THE END OF THE HALL
AND BACK.

AT THAT TIME I CAN'T SAY
THAT I WAS SYMPATHETIC

TO THE DETAINEES

BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'D DONE.

I WAS ALSO OUTRAGED.

I WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF
AT THEM

FOR WHAT THEY'D DONE.

BUT AT FIRST I STOOD
TO THE SIDE.

AND THERE WAS
SPECIALIST KROL,
I REMEMBER THAT,

WITH THE WATER.
HE HAD A CUP OF WATER

AND HE WAS MOTIONING
WITH HIS FINGER TO ROLL

AND HE WAS POURING WATER
ONTO A DETAINEE.

THEN SOMEHOW A FOOTBALL,

A NERF TOY, CAME OUT.

I DON'T KNOW, I THINK ONE
OF THE M.P.s BROUGHT IT OUT.

SO THIS FOOTBALL
WAS THROWN AROUND

FROM AN M.P. TO AN M.I.

AND I ALSO THREW IT

AND I HIT A DETAINEE
IN THE LEG WITH A NERF BALL.

Rivera:
THEY ARRANGED THE DETAINEES

INTO A POSITION TO WHERE THEY
WERE MIMICKING HAVING SEX.

THEY WERE SHOUTING.
THEY WERE CRYING.

THERE WAS JUST
A LOT OF "PLEASE,"
A LOT OF "ALLAHS."

AND "PLEASE, MISTER.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE."

THE PRESSURE WAS CONSTANTLY
BUILDING UP.

AND WHEN I SAW
THESE DETAINEES

AND LEARNED
WHAT THEY'D DONE,

I JUST KIND OF SNAPPED.

THERE'S NO WAY
THAT I CAN JUST SIT HERE

AND CONDONE
WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO THEN THE NEXT DAY
WE GET UP EARLY,
WE RUN MISSIONS,

I COME BACK
AND I REPORT IT
TO MY LIEUTENANT

THE FOLLOWING DAY--
THAT DAY.

AND JUST TOLD HIM, "HEY,
MILITARY INTELLIGENCE

IS OVER AT THE HARD SITE
DOING SOME PRETTY WEIRD THINGS
WITH NAKED DETAINEES."

HE GOES, "WHAT?"

I SAID, "THEY'RE INTERROGATING
NAKED DETAINEES."

AND HE GOES,
"YOU'RE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED
TO BE OVER THERE."

AND I'M THINKING,
"WHAT?"

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL THESE
MELTDOWN THINGS

THAT GO THROUGH
YOUR BRAIN LIKE,

"NO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING
WHAT I'M SAYING HERE."

HE GOES, "THAT'S NOT EVEN
YOUR JOB OVER THERE.

YOU NEED TO STAY AWAY
FROM THE HARD SITE."

NOT TOO LONG-- ABOUT
TWO-THREE WEEKS AFTER THAT

IS WHEN GRANER GOT
A STATEMENT.

Ambuhl:
"CORPORAL GRANER, YOU ARE DOING
A FINE JOB IN TIER 1.

AS THE N.C.O.I.C.
OF THE 'M.I. HOLD' AREA

YOU HAVE RECEIVED MANY
ACCOLADES FROM M.I. UNITS HERE

AND SPECIFICALLY FROM
LIEUTENANT COLONEL JORDAN.

CONTINUE TO PERFORM
AT THIS LEVEL

AND IT WILL HELP US SUCCEED
AT OUT OVERALL MISSION."

THERE'S YOUR VERIFICATION...

THAT, UH...

YOU KNOW, AS ODD
AND UNCOMFORTABLE

AS A SITUATION MAY BE,
IT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED
TO BE DOING.

THIS COMMENDATION HAPPENED
AFTER MOST OF THE THINGS

PICTURED IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS
THAT HAVE BECOME SO NOTORIOUS

HAD ALREADY HAPPENED.

AND IT SIMPLY
BEGGARS BELIEF

THAT MILITARY INTELLIGENCE,
WORKING VERY CLOSELY

WITH THESE PEOPLE EVERY DAY,

SIMPLY WAS COMPLETELY IGNORANT
ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON

ON THIS TIER,
WHICH AFTER ALL, HELD

ALL OF THEIR
VALUABLE PRISONERS.

WHEN I'D PICK UP DETAINEES
TO GO TO JAIL

THEY WOULD MOTION
TOWARDS THE SIDE

WHERE THERE WAS
A CEDAR BUILDING.

IT WAS LIKE
THE INTERROGATION BOOTHS.

AND THEY'D LOOK AT IT
AND SAY, "NO, MISTER,"

AND POINT OVER THERE.
AND THEY'D ACT LIKE
THEY WERE SORE.

AND I'M LIKE,
"NO, I DON'T TAKE YOU
OVER THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO COURT
TO SEE THE JUDGE."

"THANK YOU, MISTER.
I HURT, I HURT."

SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS
WHERE, "WHAT ARE THEY DOING
TO THESE GUYS?"

WE HAVE ONE CLEAR CASE
OF SOMEONE

WHO APPEARS TO HAVE
BEEN TORTURED TO DEATH

AT ABU GHRAIB
WHO WAS DELIVERED,

WHO WAS KEPT IN ICE,
WHO WAS OFF THE RECORDS--

HE WAS A GHOST DET

INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED
ABOUT THIS

TYING THIS DEATH TO,
AS I RECALL, NAVY SEALS

AND ALSO C.I.A. PERSONNEL.

AT C.I.A., THERE SEEMS
TO HAVE BEEN A POLICY DECISION

NOT TO PROSECUTE HOMICIDES

THAT RESULTED FROM THIS
HIGHLY ABUSIVE CONDUCT.

Harman:
WE CAME TO THE PRISON
AND WE WERE TOLD

THAT A PRISONER
HAD JUST DIED;

HE'D DIED OF A HEART ATTACK;
HE WAS IN THE SHOWER;

AND THAT WAS IT--

THEY WEREN'T GONNA COME
PICK HIM UP RIGHT AWAY

BECAUSE THEY
DIDN'T HAVE ANY MEANS;
AND THAT HE WAS IN A BODY BAG.

SO, OF COURSE,

SERGEANT FREDERICK AND ME
WERE LIKE,

"OKAY, IT'S JUST
A DEAD BODY, RIGHT?

HE DIED OF A HEART ATTACK."
SO WE WENT IN

AND I BELIEVE
CORPORAL GRANER

TOOK A PHOTO OF ME.
IT WAS JUST A DEAD GUY.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
JUST A DEAD GUY.

WE DIDN'T REALIZE
UNTIL AFTER THESE PHOTOS

THAT HE WAS BLEEDING
IN PLACES

THAT YOU WOULDN'T
BLEED FROM

GETTING A HEART ATTACK.

THE THUMBS UP-- I GOT THAT
FROM THE LITTLE KIDS.

THE SMILE-- I ALWAYS SMILE
FOR CAMERAS.

IT'S JUST THE NATURAL
THING YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE
IN FRONT OF A CAMERA.

IT REALLY WASN'T ANYTHING
NEGATIVE TOWARDS THIS GUY.

I DIDN'T KNOW
HE WAS JUST MURDERED.

I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS JUST--
IT'S WAR.

IT'S ANOTHER DEAD GUY.
NO BIG DEAL.

Ken Davis:
C.I.A. PUT HIM ON ICE

AND THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO
GET HIM OUT ON A STRETCHER
WITH I.V.s(Y

TO COVER UP A MURDER.

BUT HAS ANYBODY BEEN BROUGHT
TO TRIAL FOR THAT?

NO, BUT GRANER AND SABRINA
WERE CHARGED

WITH THOSE PICTURES.

THAT TO ME IS RIDICULOUS.

WE WON'T CHARGE
THE MURDERER EVEN THOUGH
IT'S RULED A HOMICIDE,

BUT WE'LL CHARGE YOU
FOR TAKING PICTURES

AND EXPOSING THAT A MURDER
HAPPENED HERE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THERE IS A HOLE
IN THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION.

IT'S A BLACK, DARK HOLE

THAT SAYS COVER-UP.

SO I WANTED TO TAKE HOME
PICTURES OF HILLA

BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN
IN SOME VERY ASTOUNDING
PLACES.

WE'D SEEN THE TOWER OF BABEL,
THE CITY OF BABYLON.

AND WE HAD BEEN THROUGH
A LOT OF HISTORY,

STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW,
YOU READ ABOUT IN THE BIBLE

AND IN THE HISTORY BOOKS,
COMING THROUGH IRAQ.

SO I WANTED THAT.
I WANTED PICTURES OF THAT.

I WANTED PICTURES OF THINGS
WE'D EXPERIENCED.

AND SO I WAS ASKING EVERYBODY,
"HEY, DID YOU GET ANY PICTURES

OF THIS, DID YOU GET
ANY PICTURES OF THAT?"

AND WHEN I TALKED
TO GRANER THAT NIGHT,

I SAID, "HEY, MAN,
I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS
TAKING PICTURES.

I WANT TO GET SOME PICTURES
OFF OF YOU."

HE TAKES OUT TWO CDs AND SAYS,
"HERE, JUST GIVE THEM BACK TO
ME WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE."

PROBABLY TWO DAYS LATER
I WAS LOOKING AT THE PICTURES,

AND THE FIRST CD,
IT WAS ALL HILLA.

YOU KNOW, BABYLON PALACE,
EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, CAMP VICTORY,
THE PALACES WE'D SEEN
AND EVERYTHING.

THERE WAS SOME
GOOD PICTURES.

THE SECOND CD WAS EVERYTHING
DEALING WITH THE ABUSE.

I WAS LIKE, "OH MY GOD,
THESE ARE PRISONERS."

AND THEN, YOU KNOW,
"WHAT DO I DO NOW?"

I HEARD AMBUHL'S VOICE.
I HEARD ENGLAND'S VOICE.

I HEARD GRANER'S VOICE.

I DIDN'T HEAR FREDERICK.
I HEARD-- YEAH, I DID HEAR
FREDERICK'S VOICE.

AND I HEARD SIVITS' VOICE.

ALL FIVE OF THEM
WERE OUTSIDE OF THE ROOM
I WAS IN.

I HEARD ALL THEIR VOICES.

I'M LIKE, "OH MY GOD!"

CHIEF ARTHUR
COMES IN AND GOES,
"YOU'RE STILL HERE!"

I SAID,
"YEAH, I'M STILL HERE."

"WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?
I'VE GOT THEM OUT HERE,
HE'S IN HERE.

HE CAN'T
GET OUT THE DOOR."

AND FINALLY
THEY WENT AROUND

AND ROUNDED UP AS MANY
BLANKETS AS THEY COULD.

AND THEY HAD
ALL FIVE PEOPLE
STAND UP

AND TURN AROUND
AND FACE THE OTHER WALL,

PUT BLANKETS ALL OVER ME--
I MEAN, HEAD TO TOE COVERED
IN BLANKETS.

YOU COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

THEY WERE LEADING ME.
AND THEY RUSHED ME OUT
PAST THEM,

OUT THE BACK DOOR AND THEN
PULLED THE BLANKETS OFF

AND SAID,
"GET OUT OF HERE."

AND THAT'S THE LAST TIME
I TALKED TO C.I.D.
ABOUT ANYTHING.

IN THE COURSE
OF THIS INVESTIGATION

WHEN IT FIRST GOT
STARTED UP IN IRAQ

THEY SET UP
AMNESTY LOCATIONS.

AND THEY TOLD EVERYBODY
ASSIGNED TO ABU GHRAIB,

"IF YOU HAVE ANY DISKS,
IF YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS,

IF YOU HAVE ANY CONTRABAND,

YOU NEED TO PUT IT
IN THE AMNESTY BOXES NOW

AND IT WILL ALL BE FORGOTTEN.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT
PRIVATE PHOTOS.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT
ANYTHING ELSE THAT
MIGHT BE ON THE DISK,

BUT EVERYTHING
WILL BE FORGOTTEN.

Javal Davis:
"OKAY, WELL, IF ANYONE HAS
ANY PICTURES OF ANYTHING

DESTROY THEM NOW."
THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH
OF PEOPLE

ERASING THEIR
HARD DRIVES,

YOU KNOW, LIKE,
DESTROYING DISKS AND CDs,

THINGS LIKE THAT,
JUST LIKE IN FEAR OF, LIKE,

"MAN, MAYBE IF I TOOK
A PICTURE OF SOMETHING,

COULD I GET IN TROUBLE
FOR WHAT I TOOK
A PICTURE OF?"

Announcer:
This is a picture of an Iraqi
prisoner of war.

And according to the U.S. Army,
Americans did this to him.

Torture outrage.
Arab TV networks
plastering photos

all over the airwaves today
of U.S. troops apparently

abusing Iraqi prisoners.

The images are sickening
and the outrage they are causing

worldwide continues to grow.

ABOUT SIX MONTHS
AFTER I CAME BACK
TO THE STATES

I WALKED INTO A BEST BUY
OR SOMETHING--

AN ELECTRONICS STORE.

I'M LOOKING AT TVs

AND I SEE MY PICTURE

AND PICTURES
OF OTHER M.P.s

NEAR NAKED DETAINEES.

I WAS SHOCKED, OF COURSE.

THERE WAS MORTIFICATION.
I'M ON THE NEWS.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S--
LIFE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT FROM NOW ON.

IT WAS DURING
THE INVESTIGATION
THAT I SAW THEM.

I DIDN'T KNOW

THAT THEY EXISTED.
I'M LIKE, "WHAT IS THAT?"

THEY'RE LIKE, "DO YOU KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?"
I'M LIKE, "NO."

"DID YOU TAKE
ANY OF THESE PICTURES?"
I'M LIKE, "NO."

THE PHOTOGRAPHS...

CAME OUT WHILE
I WAS AT BALAD AIRBASE.

THE FIRST TIME
ANY OF US KNEW
THAT MY NAME WAS OUT THERE

WAS WHEN SECRETARY
OF DEFENSE RUMSFELD

ON NATIONAL TV
THANKED ME.

AND I'M SUPPOSED
TO BE ANONYMOUS.

FIRST SPECIALIST
JOSEPH DARBY

ALERTED THE APPROPRIATE
AUTHORITIES THAT ABUSES
WERE OCCURRING.

I WAS SCARED TO DEATH.

I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT
10 FEET FROM THE TV

IN THE CHOW HALL
WITH FOUR OR FIVE
OTHER SOLDIERS

THAT-- THEY ALL KNEW.

THESE WERE THE GUYS
THAT I TRUSTED.

AND ONE OF THEM
LOOKED AT ME AND HE GOES,
"DARB, WE NEED TO LEAVE,

AND LEAVE NOW."

Seven soldiers, all members
of the Military Police,

are facing charges
of abusing Iraqis

at the Abu Ghraib prison.

From the very beginning
the military establishment

has said this is the work
of a few bad soldiers.

I share a deep disgust...

that those prisoners
were treated the way
they were treated.

Those acts ought not
to be allowed to define us.

The terrible actions
of a few

don't change that.

Those soldiers let us down.

They simply let us down.

Yoo:
THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE
NUMEROUS INVESTIGATIONS

AND THEY FOUND WHAT HAPPENED AT
ABU GHRAIB WAS NOT AUTHORIZED,

THAT THE PEOPLE WHO CONDUCTED
IT WERE NOT AWARE

OF WHATEVER OTHER

THINKING WAS BEING DONE
WITH THE LAW,

AND THAT THIS WAS
ESSENTIALLY THE ACTIVITY
OF PEOPLE ON THE NIGHT SHIFT

THAT WASN'T EVEN IN THE CONTEXT
OF INTERROGATIONS.

EVERY INVESTIGATION THAT'S BEEN
CONDUCTED SO FAR

HAS NOT FOUND
ANY KIND OF LINK.

SIR, WE DID NOT FIND
ANY EVIDENCE OF A POLICY

OR A DIRECT ORDER GIVEN
TO THESE SOLDIERS

TO CONDUCT
WHAT THEY DID.

THERE WAS SADISM
ON THE NIGHT SHIFT

AT ABU GHRAIB,

SADISM THAT WAS CERTAINLY
NOT AUTHORIZED.

IT WAS A KIND OF
"ANIMAL HOUSE"

ON THE NIGHT SHIFT.

EVEN SUGGESTING THAT
THIS WAS "'ANIMAL HOUSE'

ON THE NIGHT SHIFT"
WAS CONSCIOUS DISINFORMATION.

IS THERE ANY CHANCE
THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE
SELF-ACTUATED,

THAT THEY JUST CAME UP
WITH THIS AS THEIR OWN IDEA?

NO, THERE'S NO CHANCE
OF THAT WHATSOEVER,

ZERO CHANCE.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING ARE

VERY PRECISELY
DESCRIBED TECHNIQUES

THAT WERE DEVELOPED
FOR USE ON ARAB MEN

IN THE GLOBAL WAR
ON TERROR,

WERE IMPLEMENTED
AT GUANTANAMO

AND WERE THEN BROUGHT TO
AND USED IN ABU GHRAIB.

WHEN YOU ACTUALLY
THINK ABOUT

THE "ANIMAL HOUSE"-
ON-THE-NIGHT-SHIFT THEORY

YOU HAVE A COUPLE
OF PROBLEMS.

THE BIG PROBLEM IS
THAT THIS ACTUALLY
IS A PRACTICE

THAT'S WELL-KNOWN
TO INTERROGATORS.

IT'S CALLED "THE VIETNAM."

IT WAS DEVELOPED
IN BRAZIL.

IT COMBINES
STRESS POSITIONS,

WHICH IS TO SAY
STANDING ON--

BALANCING ON A BOX--

WITH ELECTROCUTION,

OR IN THIS CASE
THE THREAT OF ELECTROCUTION

AND SENSORY DEPRIVATION--
THE HOOD.

SO THIS PRACTICE
IS QUITE WELL KNOWN.

HOW EXACTLY ARE SOME
UNEDUCATED PRISON GUARDS--

HOW EXACTLY DID THEY KNOW
TO USE THIS TECHNIQUE

WHICH WAS DEVELOPED BY
THE BRAZILIAN MILITARY?

John McCain:
I'd like to know: what agencies
or private contractors

were in charge
of interrogations;

did they have authority
over the guards;

and what were their
instructions to the guards?

First, with respect to the--

- ( General Smith speaking )
- Oh my.

It was all prepared.

I'll walk through
the chain of command and--

McCain:
No, I-- let's--
you can submit

the chain of command,
please.

Secretary Rumsfeld,
in all due respect,

you've got to answer
this question

and it could be satisfied
with a phone call.

This is a pretty simple
straightforward question.

ABU GHRAIB
IS A GREAT EXAMPLE

OF BUREAUCRATIC VIRTUOSITY

IN HANDLING A SCANDAL.

NONE OF THESE REPORTS
LOOKED AT THE WHOLE
CHAIN OF COMMAND.

THERE IS THIS LONG CHAIN

THAT LEADS FROM WHAT WAS DONE
TO PRISONERS IN THE CELLS,

UP THROUGH MILITARY POLICE,

TO THE MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
WHO ORDERED IT ON
SOME OCCASIONS,

BACK TO THE PENTAGON,
BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE
EVENTUALLY.

YOU HAVE
THIS LONG CHAIN,

AND UNTIL THAT WHOLE CHAIN
IS LOOKED AT

IN AN AUTHORITATIVE WAY
BY SOMEONE

WHO IS EMPOWERED TO ASK
QUESTIONS OF ANYONE,

WE WON'T
AT THE END OF THE DAY KNOW

ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENENED
AT ABU GHRAIB.

THE ADMINISTRATION WILL SAY,
"WE'VE CONDUCTED

HUNDREDS OF INVESTIGATIONS
INTO THESE THINGS,"

AND INDEED THEY HAVE.

WE DON'T HAVE TOO FEW
INVESTIGATIONS,

WE'VE GOT TOO MANY
INVESTIGATIONS.

WHAT WE NEED IS ONE
INVESTIGATION

THAT IS CONDUCTED
BY INDIVIDUALS

THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY
BULLETPROOF,

WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN
THE AUTHORITY

TO GO WHEREVER
THEY NEED TO GO.

IF IT LEADS THEM
TO THE E-RING OF
THE PENTAGON

SO BE IT.

IF IT LEADS THEM TO
THE OVAL OFFICE, SO BE IT.

GRANER AND THE 372nd
M.P. COMPANY

EMBARRASSED THE ARMY

WITH PICTURES.

AND THE ARMY
GOT THEM BACK.

NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
TO ANYBODY IF THE PHOTOGRAPHS
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OUT.

IF THERE WERE NO PHOTOGRAPHS,
THERE WOULD BE
NO ABU GHRAIB.

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN
NO INVESTIGATION.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN,
"OH, OKAY, WHATEVER.
EVERYBODY GO HOME."

Horton:
THESE PHOTOGRAPHS
FROM ABU GHRAIB

HAVE COME TO DEFINE
THE UNITED STATES.

THE U.S.,
WHICH WAS VIEWED AS

CERTAINLY ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL
ADVOCATES OF HUMAN RIGHTS

AND THE VIEW OF THE DIGNITY

OF HUMAN BEINGS
IN THE WORLD,

SUDDENLY IS VIEWED AS

A PRINCIPAL EXPOSITOR
OF TORTURE.

Mora:
THE UNITED STATES
USED TO BE THE MODEL,

BUT IT IS NO LONGER.

IF YOU ADOPT
CRUEL TREATMENT,

AS SOME MAY WANT US
TO ADOPT,

IF WE EMBRACE TORTURE
AS SOMETHING THAT IS

EXPEDIENT AND NECESSARY
IN THE INSTANCE,

WE SACRIFICE
A LONG-TERM INTEREST.

WE SACRIFICE OUR BELIEF
IN HUMAN RIGHTS.

WE SACRIFICE OUR BELIEF
IN THE RULE OF LAW

AND WHAT LAW SHOULD GOVERN
AND WHAT LAW SHOULD PROHIBIT.

AND WE BLUR THE DISTINCTION
BETWEEN OURSELVES

AND THE TERRORISTS.
AND I'M CONVINCED

IT WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE
IN THE WAR ON TERROR.

Javal Davis:
AT THAT MOMENT
I WAS A DIFFERENT PERSON.

AT THAT MOMENT I WAS NOT
THE PERSON YOU'RE SITTING HERE
TALKING TO RIGHT NOW.

AT THAT MOMENT
I WAS SOMEBODY ELSE.

I'M TRYING TO FORGET THIS,

NOT...

TO BRING BACK BAD MEMORIES.

THAT HE REMINDED ME OF
GOLDING'S "LORD OF THE FLIES".

THAT ANIMALISTIC, THAT DARK
ELEMENT IN EACH OF US

IS JUST BROUGHT OUT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF,
ARE THE ELEMENTS RIGHT ?

NOW, YEAH,
MAYBE I HAVE SOME REGRETS

ABOUT WHAT WENT ON THERE.

EVEN THOUGH
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY

A COMFORTABLE
THING TO DO...

I DID IT.

THE RESULTS, AS I OBSERVED THEM
IN THE LABORATORY,

ARE DISTURBING.

THEY RAISED THE POSSIBILITY THAT
HUMAN NATURE CANNOT BE COUNTED

ON TO INSULATE MEN FROM
BRUTALITY AND INHUMANE TREATMENT

AT THE DIRECTION
OF MALEVOLENT AUTHORITY.

A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF PEOPLE
DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD TO DO

IRRESPECTIVE OF
THE CONTENT OF THE ACT

AND WITHOUT LIMITATIONS
OF CONSCIENCE.

SO LONG THAT THEY
PERCEIVE THAT THE COMMAND

COMES FROM
A LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY.

IN THIS STUDY, AN ANONYMOUS
EXPERIMENTER COULD SUCCESSFULLY

COMMAND ADULTS TO SUBDUE
A 50-YEAR-OLD MAN

AND FORCE HIM PAINFUL ELECTRIC
SHOCKS AGAINST HIS PROTESTS.

ONE COULD ONLY WONDER
WHAT GOVERNMENT

WITH ITS VASTLY GREATER
AUTHORITY AND PRESTIGE

CAN COMMAND
AMIDST SUBJECTS.