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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,708 --> 00:00:06,699 Captioning made possible by Magnolia home entertainment 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:14,074 -== [ www.OpenSubtitles.com ] ==- 3 00:01:28,672 --> 00:01:30,966 They call them ,the cocaine cowboys 4 00:01:30,966 --> 00:01:33,510 Yesterday they struck busy Dadeland shopping mall 5 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:36,430 Executing two latin males in the crown liquor store. 6 00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:38,974 There was an exchange of fire between the two groups. 7 00:01:38,974 --> 00:01:40,851 Smashed glass and liquor bottles flying. 8 00:01:40,851 --> 00:01:42,060 The shooting continued outside. 9 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:43,937 Two men, cut down in a hail of gunfire. 10 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:46,148 Victims of Miami's drug war. 11 00:01:46,148 --> 00:01:47,441 The one that got away, he had a machine gun. 12 00:01:47,441 --> 00:01:49,151 They've got to find some way to stop this. 13 00:01:49,151 --> 00:01:50,736 Wowhat are they gonna do about it? 14 00:01:50,736 --> 00:01:51,945 What can they do about it? 15 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:53,572 And South Floridians wondered where 16 00:01:53,572 --> 00:01:56,283 The cocaine cowboys will strike next. 17 00:02:48,585 --> 00:02:51,338 My name is Jon Roberts. 18 00:02:51,338 --> 00:02:54,967 I was born in New York and i got involved 19 00:02:54,967 --> 00:02:57,010 With a group of Italians from New York 20 00:02:57,010 --> 00:03:00,264 And they were actually part of a mafia family. 21 00:03:00,264 --> 00:03:03,433 And we opened about 4 or 5 nightclubs that became very big, 22 00:03:03,433 --> 00:03:05,644 And we were doing really well. 23 00:03:09,481 --> 00:03:11,775 One day, they just came in, the police, 24 00:03:11,775 --> 00:03:13,193 We had no idea why they were there 25 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:15,153 And then they told us that our partner, they had found him 26 00:03:15,153 --> 00:03:16,989 Out on the Long Island expressway 27 00:03:16,989 --> 00:03:18,407 And he had been killed and he had like 28 00:03:18,407 --> 00:03:20,659 11 bullet holes in him. 29 00:03:20,659 --> 00:03:22,494 So who knows what happened. 30 00:03:22,494 --> 00:03:24,454 The best thing that i could think at that time was 31 00:03:24,454 --> 00:03:27,708 Just let me get away from all this heat. 32 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:30,961 So i moved down here 33 00:03:30,961 --> 00:03:33,964 And started into the cocaine business. 34 00:03:49,688 --> 00:03:52,900 The city in the Miami area was very, very quiet, 35 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:55,527 And it was just a very pleasant place to live. 36 00:03:55,527 --> 00:03:57,362 Prior to 1956, 37 00:03:57,362 --> 00:03:59,740 The night shift for the sheriff's department 38 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:01,366 Had one police car 39 00:04:01,366 --> 00:04:04,203 To patrol an area the size of Rhode Island. 40 00:04:04,203 --> 00:04:05,829 Miami back then was the south, 41 00:04:05,829 --> 00:04:07,164 It was like Alabama, 42 00:04:07,164 --> 00:04:09,249 There was no money here. There were no big buildings, 43 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:11,001 Downtown was pretty barren, 44 00:04:11,001 --> 00:04:13,420 Miami beach, it was a lot of old people 45 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:15,339 Just sitting around in rocking chairs 46 00:04:15,339 --> 00:04:17,132 On South Beach waiting to die 47 00:04:17,132 --> 00:04:19,635 And it was a whole different world out here, back then. 48 00:04:19,635 --> 00:04:22,137 This is why Miami is for you. 49 00:04:24,932 --> 00:04:28,143 In the '60s and '70s, Miami flourished 50 00:04:28,143 --> 00:04:29,978 Primarily as a vacation spot. 51 00:04:29,978 --> 00:04:31,355 Al Sunshine. Al Sunshine. 52 00:04:31,355 --> 00:04:34,107 Al Sunshine. Channel 4 news. 53 00:04:35,817 --> 00:04:38,695 Sun and fun on the beach, the palm trees. 54 00:04:42,908 --> 00:04:45,244 Miami is a major transportation center 55 00:04:45,244 --> 00:04:49,540 And is easily reached by all forms of travel. 56 00:04:49,540 --> 00:04:53,043 In the late 1970s, thousands of illegal and legal 57 00:04:53,043 --> 00:04:56,213 South American immigrants started entering Miami. 58 00:04:56,213 --> 00:04:57,673 The latin-American influence has 59 00:04:57,673 --> 00:05:00,467 Given Miami a unique flavor. 60 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:02,261 Miami had by then been established 61 00:05:02,261 --> 00:05:03,887 As an environment 62 00:05:03,887 --> 00:05:06,932 Where a spanish speaker only could thrive. 63 00:05:06,932 --> 00:05:08,475 Miami has always been 64 00:05:08,475 --> 00:05:09,977 Sort of a piraty 65 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:13,021 Kind of fiercely independent environment 66 00:05:13,021 --> 00:05:16,024 Where law and order was never championed. 67 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:17,150 Like a virgin city. 68 00:05:24,449 --> 00:05:26,285 I'm an old South Florida boy. 69 00:05:26,285 --> 00:05:29,246 One of the few that's that old who was born here. 70 00:05:29,246 --> 00:05:31,206 I was in the import business. 71 00:05:39,631 --> 00:05:41,049 Do your archaeology and dig down, 72 00:05:41,049 --> 00:05:42,384 You'll find the gun-runners 73 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:43,719 And then you'll find the rum-runners 74 00:05:43,719 --> 00:05:45,137 And you'll find the marijuana 75 00:05:45,137 --> 00:05:47,181 And you'll find the Cuban immigrants 76 00:05:47,181 --> 00:05:48,515 And then you'll find the cocaine. 77 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:51,643 This city has always had something coming in. 78 00:05:51,643 --> 00:05:53,145 South Florida is the nearest 79 00:05:53,145 --> 00:05:54,646 U.S. mainland destination 80 00:05:54,646 --> 00:05:56,523 For south American drug smugglers. 81 00:05:56,523 --> 00:05:59,109 It was wide open back then. It was wide open. 82 00:05:59,109 --> 00:06:01,737 There is mile after mile of unguarded shoreline 83 00:06:01,737 --> 00:06:04,156 Where a boat can drop drugs undetected. 84 00:06:04,156 --> 00:06:06,491 In the '70s when i first came down here, 85 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:09,077 Everybody in Florida was smuggling pot in. 86 00:06:09,077 --> 00:06:10,621 The drug enforcement agency believes 87 00:06:10,621 --> 00:06:14,791 95% of all marijuana smuggled into the United States 88 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:16,752 Comes through South Florida. 89 00:06:16,752 --> 00:06:19,755 A friend of mine passed away in his warehouse, 90 00:06:19,755 --> 00:06:23,550 He had 2,000 pounds of marijuana. 91 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:26,094 And what i did was i went in and took it. 92 00:06:26,094 --> 00:06:27,471 I didn't really know anybody in the business 93 00:06:27,471 --> 00:06:29,223 So i gave half of it to somebody 94 00:06:29,223 --> 00:06:30,432 And i gave the other half to somebody 95 00:06:30,432 --> 00:06:31,558 And i split it with them. 96 00:06:31,558 --> 00:06:33,435 If you were making $10,000 a year, 97 00:06:33,435 --> 00:06:34,645 You were doing pretty good. 98 00:06:34,645 --> 00:06:35,979 If you were making $20,000 99 00:06:35,979 --> 00:06:37,064 You were doing phenomenal. 100 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:40,067 I think i had like $165,000. 101 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:44,279 So you're talking about 8 years' salary alone. 102 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,533 And i said, this is pretty nice, 103 00:06:47,533 --> 00:06:50,619 There's gotta be something more to this. It was too easy. 104 00:06:50,619 --> 00:06:52,371 I mean you could drive in with a boat, 105 00:06:52,371 --> 00:06:53,747 Stacked up, pull up to the dock 106 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:55,374 And unload it and nobody said a thing. 107 00:06:55,374 --> 00:06:57,668 There was no defense of the border to speak of. 108 00:06:57,668 --> 00:06:59,211 And at the present rate according to 109 00:06:59,211 --> 00:07:00,671 Some economists, 110 00:07:00,671 --> 00:07:04,800 The state's major industry could soon be drug smuggling. 111 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,926 You could be out in a boat 112 00:07:05,926 --> 00:07:08,679 And find bales of marijuana floating. 113 00:07:08,679 --> 00:07:13,100 I mean the proverbial square grouper. 114 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:14,560 The Colombians realized 115 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,104 They had they had a goldmine here and when they were sending 116 00:07:17,104 --> 00:07:19,106 Like all this pot, they would send 117 00:07:19,106 --> 00:07:20,524 A few kilos of coke. 118 00:07:20,524 --> 00:07:22,109 In the beginning it was very small... 119 00:07:22,109 --> 00:07:23,694 Because it was so expensive. 120 00:07:23,694 --> 00:07:25,279 And they would bring them in a suitcase... 121 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:26,530 So you didn't see much of it. 122 00:07:26,530 --> 00:07:29,366 And it would get extremely high prices for it. 123 00:07:29,366 --> 00:07:32,828 The mid-'70s with D.E.A., the priority was extremely low. 124 00:07:32,828 --> 00:07:35,706 Our office was pretty much shut down when it came to cocaine. 125 00:07:35,706 --> 00:07:38,417 There is not a serious problem nationwide 126 00:07:38,417 --> 00:07:42,337 Given the very large number of people who use cocaine. 127 00:07:42,337 --> 00:07:46,175 It is a serious problem for a certain smaller minority. 128 00:07:46,175 --> 00:07:48,802 I met a Cuban man out in Hialeah 129 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,846 And his name was Albert Sanpedro. 130 00:07:50,846 --> 00:07:53,015 Most Cubans got whatever they got 131 00:07:53,015 --> 00:07:55,392 From Colombians, obviously because the Colombians, 132 00:07:55,392 --> 00:07:56,894 You know, controlled everything. 133 00:07:56,894 --> 00:07:58,061 In drug trafficking, 134 00:07:58,061 --> 00:08:00,022 Cuban-American organizations here 135 00:08:00,022 --> 00:08:02,149 Are often allied with Colombian groups. 136 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:04,985 Colombians importing the drugs, Cubans distributing them. 137 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:07,487 And Albert would front me a quarter of a pound 138 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:09,281 And he would give me like three or four days 139 00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:11,617 And then i would go and bring him the money back. 140 00:08:11,617 --> 00:08:13,243 And then he'd give me another quarter of a pound, 141 00:08:13,243 --> 00:08:15,454 And i think i used to pay him somewhere around... 142 00:08:15,454 --> 00:08:18,582 About 800 an ounce or something, back in the '70s for it. 143 00:08:18,582 --> 00:08:20,125 And it wasn't of any quality, 144 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:21,752 But a lot of people didn't know the difference 145 00:08:21,752 --> 00:08:23,420 And they would see these big rocks and they'd think, 146 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:25,839 "Wow, this is great shit." And my clients 147 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:28,175 Weren't these people that you would think they would be, 148 00:08:28,175 --> 00:08:29,259 Like these street people. 149 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:30,385 If anybody had cocaine, 150 00:08:30,385 --> 00:08:31,845 They had to be an airline pilot. 151 00:08:31,845 --> 00:08:33,180 Real estate people down here. 152 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:34,348 Doctors, attorneys. 153 00:08:34,348 --> 00:08:36,475 I had lawyers, i had doctors. 154 00:08:36,475 --> 00:08:38,644 Somebody that could afford what it costs. 155 00:08:38,644 --> 00:08:40,062 They were called weekend warriors. 156 00:08:40,062 --> 00:08:41,480 During the week they wouldn't do anything 157 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,482 But on the weekend they'd just go from friday night 158 00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:46,235 Till sunday and do this thing. And each guy would 159 00:08:46,235 --> 00:08:48,487 Introduce me to another friend. So eventually 160 00:08:48,487 --> 00:08:49,696 It went from 4 ounces 161 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:51,615 To 8 ounces to 12 to 16 162 00:08:51,615 --> 00:08:53,825 Where within like a month i was selling 163 00:08:53,825 --> 00:08:57,079 Probably 2, 3 kilos a week just to these doctors and friends. 164 00:08:57,079 --> 00:08:58,872 When i came from New York, i came down here 165 00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:01,166 With $650 in my pocket 166 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:03,460 And i was making 20,000, 30,000 a week back then 167 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:05,295 Just off this little trade. 168 00:09:05,295 --> 00:09:07,047 I had a friend who i knew from New York, 169 00:09:07,047 --> 00:09:10,050 He developed a big, big trade out in California 170 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:11,593 In the San Francisco bay area. 171 00:09:11,593 --> 00:09:13,428 He was selling to the Oakland raiders, 172 00:09:13,428 --> 00:09:15,597 He was selling to the grateful dead. 173 00:09:15,597 --> 00:09:18,183 I had met a stewardess, and this stewardess worked for 174 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:19,726 National airlines at the time. 175 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:21,603 So we would send coke with the stewardess. 176 00:09:21,603 --> 00:09:23,981 And she would go from here to San Francisco 177 00:09:23,981 --> 00:09:25,858 And we were sending him anywhere 178 00:09:25,858 --> 00:09:28,527 From 5 to 10 kilos a week. And i was getting back 179 00:09:28,527 --> 00:09:30,863 Big money at the time, i mean, you're starting to get into 180 00:09:30,863 --> 00:09:34,032 The 200,000 to 300,000, and back then i started meeting guys-- 181 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:36,410 Mercury morris, who was a great running back for the dolphins 182 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:38,537 Who also went to jail, so it's no secret. 183 00:09:38,537 --> 00:09:40,164 Merc is just one fallen angel 184 00:09:40,164 --> 00:09:41,832 Of the Miami football machine. 185 00:09:41,832 --> 00:09:43,333 Former "Dolphins" Don Reese 186 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:46,336 And Randy Crowder were also arrested by Miami police 187 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:48,505 In another cocaine transaction. 188 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:49,965 I remember the week of the super bowl 189 00:09:49,965 --> 00:09:51,592 When Dallas played Pittsburgh here. 190 00:09:51,592 --> 00:09:53,635 Two nights before i got the whole front line 191 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:56,680 Of the Pittsburgh Steelers in my house and they all sat down, 192 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:58,765 "Come on, come on, break the shit out, break the shit out." 193 00:09:58,765 --> 00:10:00,767 We don't get a chance to get involved in all the festivities 194 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:03,645 And all the fun and the parties 'cause we have curfews. 195 00:10:03,645 --> 00:10:05,898 They partied, and they really partied hard. 196 00:10:05,898 --> 00:10:08,942 * Here we go, Steelers, Here we go * 197 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,445 I mean, you have no idea what these guys were doped with. 198 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:13,238 I'm saying, "you guys are gonna play football sunday?" 199 00:10:13,238 --> 00:10:15,657 "Yeah, and we're gonna win." 200 00:10:15,657 --> 00:10:17,242 They went out and won, you know what i mean, 201 00:10:17,242 --> 00:10:18,285 It didn't affect them. 202 00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:20,245 Well, our offensive line did a great job. 203 00:10:20,245 --> 00:10:22,539 The popularity, it began to shoot up, 204 00:10:22,539 --> 00:10:25,125 Everybody that before was doing these pot things 205 00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:26,668 Was now into doing cocaine. 206 00:10:26,668 --> 00:10:28,295 We stayed in the pot business until 207 00:10:28,295 --> 00:10:30,714 It got to the point where, there was so much pot here 208 00:10:30,714 --> 00:10:33,175 That you couldn't sell it. 209 00:10:33,175 --> 00:10:35,511 And you just couldn't get enough cocaine. 210 00:10:35,511 --> 00:10:36,845 I said the best way to do it looks to me 211 00:10:36,845 --> 00:10:38,722 Like if we got into the transportation of it. 212 00:10:38,722 --> 00:10:40,265 You're not buying it, you're not selling it, 213 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:43,477 You're not using it, you're just an importer. 214 00:10:43,477 --> 00:10:46,313 The Colombians threw a number at us 215 00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:48,482 That was more than agreeable. 216 00:10:48,482 --> 00:10:50,150 $3,000 apiece, 217 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:51,735 Or a kilo in your terms. 218 00:10:51,735 --> 00:10:54,404 And they wanted to move at least 400, 219 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:57,115 And we went down there and the first trip, 220 00:10:57,115 --> 00:11:01,578 We got paid $1.2 million. 221 00:11:01,578 --> 00:11:03,413 That was enough to excite us. 222 00:11:03,413 --> 00:11:06,083 Say, maybe we'll stay in this trade for a while. 223 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:10,504 The people that i was dealing with 224 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:12,089 Had a limited supply 225 00:11:12,089 --> 00:11:13,590 And as the people i was selling to 226 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:16,635 Expanded their business, i couldn't get enough. 227 00:11:16,635 --> 00:11:18,512 You know, one guy would say, i want 15 kilos 228 00:11:18,512 --> 00:11:20,556 Or 20 kilos or 25 kilos, 229 00:11:20,556 --> 00:11:23,016 I could only give him 15 or 10, then it was money 230 00:11:23,016 --> 00:11:24,434 Coming out of my pocket. 231 00:11:24,434 --> 00:11:27,980 I could sell 100 kilos a week, easily. 232 00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:31,817 I got lucky. I think in about 1979, 233 00:11:31,817 --> 00:11:33,026 I met this girl. 234 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:35,404 Woi flew to Miami 235 00:11:35,404 --> 00:11:38,282 And i was working on a shoot with a girl 236 00:11:38,282 --> 00:11:43,287 And she told me that she had somebody for me to meet. 237 00:11:43,287 --> 00:11:46,248 A friend of mine fixed me up with her, he was a lawyer. 238 00:11:46,248 --> 00:11:48,333 He was dating this really beautiful girl 239 00:11:48,333 --> 00:11:49,918 Who was a model for Ford. 240 00:11:53,922 --> 00:11:57,801 After i had known Jon 3 months, it was my birthday, 241 00:11:57,801 --> 00:12:00,470 And i went into the garage and he had a brand-new Porsche, 242 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:02,097 Targa Carrera Porsche. 243 00:12:02,097 --> 00:12:07,728 And it had a huge bow sitting on top, a huge red bow from him. 244 00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:10,439 But it was kind of a whirlwind thing with Jon and i, 245 00:12:10,439 --> 00:12:15,611 I mean, we fell very much in love. We were-- 246 00:12:19,364 --> 00:12:20,782 The story i got was that 247 00:12:20,782 --> 00:12:22,743 He had discotheques in manhattan. 248 00:12:22,743 --> 00:12:24,161 As i started dating her 249 00:12:24,161 --> 00:12:26,413 Obviously she saw i wasn't working. 250 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,415 Whenever i wanted to go to New York i was in New York, 251 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:30,501 And she got curious. I'm the type of person, 252 00:12:30,501 --> 00:12:32,294 I'm pretty upfront and so i told her, 253 00:12:32,294 --> 00:12:33,712 "Hey, this is what i do. 254 00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:35,297 "If you don't wanna see me anymore, fine." 255 00:12:35,297 --> 00:12:37,466 She said "no, i have a friend 256 00:12:37,466 --> 00:12:39,801 "And he is a pilot and he works for these Colombians." 257 00:12:39,801 --> 00:12:42,137 So the guy introduces himself, his name is mickey Munday 258 00:12:42,137 --> 00:12:44,056 And he's like a redneck from Florida 259 00:12:44,056 --> 00:12:45,474 That's been here his whole life. 260 00:12:45,474 --> 00:12:47,434 I wanna say i didn't like him. 261 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:48,810 The first time i meet Jon, he's driving 262 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:51,188 This black Mercedes two-door 263 00:12:51,188 --> 00:12:53,482 That's got "drug dealer" written all over it. 264 00:12:53,482 --> 00:12:56,109 Mickey Munday had a very successful transportation 265 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:58,153 For these people for many years. 266 00:12:58,153 --> 00:13:01,073 Flamboyant, he just looked like somebody 267 00:13:01,073 --> 00:13:03,784 That i don't wanna have anything to do with. 268 00:13:03,784 --> 00:13:06,328 I mean he is... remember the show macgyver? 269 00:13:06,328 --> 00:13:07,663 That's...that's this guy. 270 00:13:07,663 --> 00:13:09,665 He could do stuff that just was incredible. 271 00:13:09,665 --> 00:13:12,626 He was a sharp guy but i just didn't like his vehicles. 272 00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:14,294 To me it looked like all the other guys 273 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:15,379 Who were in the drug business. 274 00:13:15,379 --> 00:13:17,089 I told him i outgrew the Cubans 275 00:13:17,089 --> 00:13:19,424 And it became a necessity to find a Colombian 276 00:13:19,424 --> 00:13:21,176 That could supply the large amounts 277 00:13:21,176 --> 00:13:23,053 That were needed at the time. 278 00:13:23,053 --> 00:13:24,847 And he said, "well, i'm gonna hook you up, 279 00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:27,474 "I can take you to these Colombians that i know 280 00:13:27,474 --> 00:13:29,768 "And this guy can give you whatever you want." 281 00:13:29,768 --> 00:13:31,728 And i'd heard stories like that many times, 282 00:13:31,728 --> 00:13:34,314 So i just said "sure, whenever you're ready, let me know." 283 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:36,650 And we drove to sunny isles, Florida, 284 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:38,277 And we go into this house, 285 00:13:38,277 --> 00:13:40,571 There was about 5 or 6 Colombians there 286 00:13:40,571 --> 00:13:42,072 All like loaded to bear-- 287 00:13:42,072 --> 00:13:43,448 When i say loaded, they were strapped. 288 00:13:43,448 --> 00:13:45,200 They had pistols, machine guns, 289 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,743 And they were all standing around 290 00:13:46,743 --> 00:13:49,413 And at that point i realized, you know, this guy is serious. 291 00:13:49,413 --> 00:13:50,539 This is for real, because people 292 00:13:50,539 --> 00:13:52,124 Just don't stand around like that. 293 00:13:52,124 --> 00:13:53,417 And i meet this little guy, 294 00:13:53,417 --> 00:13:55,586 He can't be more than 5'4" or 5'5" 295 00:13:55,586 --> 00:13:57,671 And he introduces himself, and he says, "my name is Rafa." 296 00:13:57,671 --> 00:13:59,256 And he's telling me, "you know, i can give you 297 00:13:59,256 --> 00:14:01,633 "Whatever you want, man. And if you got some money, 298 00:14:01,633 --> 00:14:03,302 "Uh, i'll front you twice the amount of money 299 00:14:03,302 --> 00:14:05,053 "That you've come with." 300 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,890 And i said, "well, you know, show me something." 301 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:09,933 He takes me into this back room, he pushes a button 302 00:14:09,933 --> 00:14:11,685 And a whole wall opens up like this 303 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:14,396 And i have never seen so much cocaine in my entire life 304 00:14:14,396 --> 00:14:16,190 Just sitting behind this wall. 305 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:18,025 I said, "okay, i guess you can help me, man." 306 00:14:18,025 --> 00:14:20,360 I said, "give me a day and i'll put together the money 307 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,737 "And, you know, i'll be back." 308 00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:24,489 The next day i came, he had an American guy there 309 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:26,200 And he introduced the American, 310 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,784 And he said, "this is my compadre. 311 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:29,119 "You know, i'm not in town a lot 312 00:14:29,119 --> 00:14:31,330 "But whatever it is you need, this is the man, 313 00:14:31,330 --> 00:14:32,873 "He'll take care of you and... 314 00:14:32,873 --> 00:14:36,126 "Don't worry about it he's...100%." 315 00:14:36,126 --> 00:14:38,629 And the man he introduced me to happened to be this man 316 00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:40,130 Max Mermelstein. 317 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:41,757 Jon introduced me to Max. 318 00:14:41,757 --> 00:14:43,967 Max was the...at the time, i thought a good person, 319 00:14:43,967 --> 00:14:45,886 And i thought, you know, a trusted person. 320 00:14:45,886 --> 00:14:49,306 Max seemed like a very nice guy back then. 321 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,850 He seemed that way, anyway. 322 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:53,435 In the beginning Max was giving me 323 00:14:53,435 --> 00:14:55,646 Like 75, 100 kilos a week. 324 00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:57,314 Eventually when Max saw i was serious 325 00:14:57,314 --> 00:14:58,941 And this was happening every week, 326 00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:01,109 When you're bringing somebody a million dollars every week, 327 00:15:01,109 --> 00:15:03,403 All of a sudden you know, you grow... 328 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:05,531 A bond becomes between people. 329 00:15:05,531 --> 00:15:08,367 And Max said, "i want you to do my end of the business, 330 00:15:08,367 --> 00:15:09,910 "Going to Colombia, arranging the trips, 331 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:12,371 "And if you split it with me you're gonna make much more, 332 00:15:12,371 --> 00:15:14,957 "And you can continue to supply you whoever you want." 333 00:15:14,957 --> 00:15:16,792 And Max sent me to Colombia. 334 00:15:16,792 --> 00:15:19,086 This is the envigado section of Medellin. 335 00:15:19,086 --> 00:15:21,505 It is here that the cocaine bosses meet. 336 00:15:21,505 --> 00:15:23,298 And i would hook up with Rafa 337 00:15:23,298 --> 00:15:25,801 And Rafa would introduce me to the people he was working with. 338 00:15:25,801 --> 00:15:27,261 We met, you might say 339 00:15:27,261 --> 00:15:30,597 The elite of the drug business from Colombia. 340 00:15:30,597 --> 00:15:32,808 And it would be the Ochoas, and... 341 00:15:32,808 --> 00:15:34,059 Pablo Escobar. People that you 342 00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:35,853 Read about in books. Carlos lehder. 343 00:15:35,853 --> 00:15:37,396 You know, here i was, a kid from New York 344 00:15:37,396 --> 00:15:39,147 Never thinking that this would really happen. 345 00:15:39,147 --> 00:15:40,440 They make it sound like they had, you know, 346 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,442 An office the size of this with computers 347 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,319 And they got 40 secretaries, and it's just a bunch of 348 00:15:44,319 --> 00:15:46,947 Bums down there, they were a bunch of street thugs... 349 00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:48,574 That got lucky. 350 00:15:50,367 --> 00:15:51,493 Let's break it down a different way 351 00:15:51,493 --> 00:15:53,453 That people in America could understand. 352 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,998 People in America are used to Italians and the mafia. 353 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:57,291 The Colombians have their own thing, 354 00:15:57,291 --> 00:15:59,710 It's a mafia, only it's a Colombian mafia. 355 00:15:59,710 --> 00:16:02,713 There was only one family at that time that i knew. 356 00:16:02,713 --> 00:16:04,423 And that family was from Medellin. 357 00:16:04,423 --> 00:16:06,049 The ochoa family 358 00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:09,511 Was a highly respected family of ranchers 359 00:16:09,511 --> 00:16:11,013 With a great deal of influence 360 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:13,640 In their home city of Medellin, Colombia. 361 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,850 So they have, of course, 362 00:16:14,850 --> 00:16:16,894 The captain and the head, the capo. 363 00:16:16,894 --> 00:16:18,937 Which was... as many people wanna believe 364 00:16:18,937 --> 00:16:22,232 That pablo Escobar was the king of cocaine and everything, 365 00:16:22,232 --> 00:16:23,483 They can believe that, 366 00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:26,820 But the man that was really the king was ochoa. 367 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:29,031 And not fabito, the poor man, it was the old man. 368 00:16:29,031 --> 00:16:32,034 The old man was the silent man who never did a day in jail 369 00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:34,161 Who really controlled Escobar. 370 00:16:34,161 --> 00:16:37,456 Fabio ochoa, the patriarch of the ochoa family 371 00:16:37,456 --> 00:16:39,249 Of the Medellin cartel. 372 00:16:39,249 --> 00:16:41,919 They are credited with having created 373 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:45,380 A lloyd's of London for the cocaine trade in Colombia. 374 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:47,132 Rafa was like a lieutenant 375 00:16:47,132 --> 00:16:50,260 And Rafa really controlled almost every kilo of coke 376 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:51,720 That came into this country. 377 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,013 Through the people from Medellin, 378 00:16:53,013 --> 00:16:55,307 Rafa knew it was coming and Rafa knew 379 00:16:55,307 --> 00:16:57,768 Who was getting it and how much they were getting for each one. 380 00:16:57,768 --> 00:17:00,395 And he made these people... i can't even believe. 381 00:17:00,395 --> 00:17:02,564 I mean, you know millions isn't enough, 382 00:17:02,564 --> 00:17:05,317 Millions isn't what he made these people. 383 00:17:05,317 --> 00:17:06,693 There was nobody higher than him 384 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:08,612 For the Medellin cartel in this country. 385 00:17:08,612 --> 00:17:10,531 And he had many soldiers, just like 386 00:17:10,531 --> 00:17:12,824 The mafia people have soldiers that would work for him. 387 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:14,284 Some of them would sell the drugs, 388 00:17:14,284 --> 00:17:15,619 Some of them were enforcers. 389 00:17:15,619 --> 00:17:17,830 He had accountants, lawyers. 390 00:17:17,830 --> 00:17:19,039 Woso in your view, these fellas 391 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:20,541 Are not the cocaine cowboys? 392 00:17:20,541 --> 00:17:22,000 Absolutely not. 393 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,293 You know, he had everything in this country 394 00:17:23,293 --> 00:17:24,962 And they were a well-formed group. 395 00:17:24,962 --> 00:17:26,630 Guess what-- They're not all different people 396 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:28,841 Sending the stuff and it's one organization, 397 00:17:28,841 --> 00:17:30,551 The Medellin cartel. 398 00:17:30,551 --> 00:17:33,637 The feds charge the cartel controls 80% 399 00:17:33,637 --> 00:17:36,265 Of the cocaine coming into the United States. 400 00:17:36,265 --> 00:17:38,684 Federal authorities say, "these three men 401 00:17:38,684 --> 00:17:41,144 "Now run an organization more violent 402 00:17:41,144 --> 00:17:43,772 "And at least as powerful as the American mafia." 403 00:17:43,772 --> 00:17:46,024 From my experience in New York with mafia people, 404 00:17:46,024 --> 00:17:47,401 And from my experience with the Colombians, 405 00:17:47,401 --> 00:17:49,027 They made far more money, the Colombians, 406 00:17:49,027 --> 00:17:50,487 In a far shorter time 407 00:17:50,487 --> 00:17:53,240 Than the mafia ever dreamed of making ever. 408 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,616 The Colombians had farms, 409 00:17:54,616 --> 00:17:56,952 Fincas, they called them, just filled 410 00:17:56,952 --> 00:17:59,538 With cocaine down there 'cause they just kept producing. 411 00:17:59,538 --> 00:18:01,498 They had guys chewing leaves all night. 412 00:18:01,498 --> 00:18:04,042 Working in factories and chewing the leaves, chewing the leaves. 413 00:18:04,042 --> 00:18:06,837 And these guys, you know, they worked nonstop. 414 00:18:06,837 --> 00:18:08,797 And down there, there is no industry. 415 00:18:08,797 --> 00:18:11,133 These guys were making their living growing this. 416 00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:13,135 These poor farmers, and poor workers, 417 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:15,137 They were getting paid a lot of money to do this stuff. 418 00:18:15,137 --> 00:18:19,558 And it was a whole process, it was like a factory working. 419 00:18:19,558 --> 00:18:21,768 And we worked with shortwave radios at the time, 420 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:23,645 There was no telephone communication 421 00:18:23,645 --> 00:18:26,607 Like people you see on the phones, in the movies, you know, 422 00:18:26,607 --> 00:18:28,400 "Hey, what's going on down there in Colombia? 423 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,069 "I need 600 kilos." It...it wasn't like that. 424 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:33,071 We had antennas that would come up out of the ground 425 00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:35,866 Go 80 feet into the air for communication. 426 00:18:35,866 --> 00:18:38,118 We would have a certain time they'd turn their shortwave on 427 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:41,872 And we'd turn on ours and we would talk that way. 428 00:18:41,872 --> 00:18:44,249 Also at this hour in Miami 429 00:18:44,249 --> 00:18:45,417 On a shortwave radio band 430 00:18:45,417 --> 00:18:48,170 That most radios cannot pick up 431 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,256 The coded instructions are coming in from a transmitter 432 00:18:51,256 --> 00:18:53,091 In Medellin, Colombia, 433 00:18:53,091 --> 00:18:54,968 From members of the world's largest 434 00:18:54,968 --> 00:18:57,012 Cocaine smuggling organization. 435 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,765 The cattle is ready, 436 00:18:59,765 --> 00:19:01,141 The cattle is ready. 437 00:19:02,462 --> 00:19:04,186 At 8 o'clock. 438 00:19:04,186 --> 00:19:05,812 8 for the first one. 439 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:08,023 And that's how we would set up the trips 440 00:19:08,023 --> 00:19:10,609 And we were contracted actually by the Colombians. 441 00:19:10,609 --> 00:19:12,152 I would make arrangements with them 442 00:19:12,152 --> 00:19:14,613 And they would tell me, "okay, there's 1000 kilos. 443 00:19:14,613 --> 00:19:15,948 "Come pick it up." 444 00:19:15,948 --> 00:19:17,950 Over the mountains, down and slide through a valley 445 00:19:17,950 --> 00:19:19,076 So nobody would see you. 446 00:19:19,076 --> 00:19:20,869 And you never had a problem landing 447 00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:22,246 You never had a problem taking off. 448 00:19:22,246 --> 00:19:24,915 It was all paid down there, the government worked with them, 449 00:19:24,915 --> 00:19:26,750 And we would send the plane down there. 450 00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:29,628 The Colombians really didn't have... 451 00:19:29,628 --> 00:19:31,296 And i'll say it, they didn't have their shit together. 452 00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:33,048 99% of the strips we went to 453 00:19:33,048 --> 00:19:35,676 Were dirt, grass, the people that worked there. 454 00:19:35,676 --> 00:19:37,803 That's the reason why we would take our own equipment. 455 00:19:37,803 --> 00:19:39,346 And you would see, when you get there, 456 00:19:39,346 --> 00:19:41,765 The wrecked airplanes-- Not gonna happen. 457 00:19:41,765 --> 00:19:44,226 The plane would land, they would spend the night. 458 00:19:44,226 --> 00:19:45,561 And you would land there and they would say, 459 00:19:45,561 --> 00:19:47,479 "Oh, you wanna stay or you want a woman? 460 00:19:47,479 --> 00:19:49,147 "If you want my little sister, you're gonna get her, right? 461 00:19:49,147 --> 00:19:50,524 "You want something to drink?" 462 00:19:50,524 --> 00:19:52,359 I go, "yeah, i really want to drink and get back in this plane 463 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,279 "And fly for another 12 hours drunk. Right. 464 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:56,238 "The woman didn't sound bad." 465 00:19:56,238 --> 00:19:57,698 The next thing would be loading. 466 00:19:57,698 --> 00:19:59,157 There's two ways to come back from down there. 467 00:19:59,157 --> 00:20:00,325 If you're flying, you could come around 468 00:20:00,325 --> 00:20:02,161 The east side of Cuba, which is the shorter, 469 00:20:02,161 --> 00:20:04,037 Or you can come around the west side. 470 00:20:04,037 --> 00:20:06,123 If you had a lot of fuel, the west side was actually better 471 00:20:06,123 --> 00:20:09,084 Because almost everything that was happening 472 00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:10,377 Came from the bahamas. 473 00:20:10,377 --> 00:20:12,504 So if they were patrolling, 474 00:20:12,504 --> 00:20:14,256 That would be where they would be, 475 00:20:14,256 --> 00:20:16,175 You're gonna go where most of the action is. 476 00:20:16,175 --> 00:20:19,595 So we would come from the west, nobody would think of you there. 477 00:20:19,595 --> 00:20:20,929 Apparently heavy surveillance 478 00:20:20,929 --> 00:20:23,640 And stricter enforcement on Florida's east coast 479 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,185 Is driving smugglers to the desolate west coast 480 00:20:26,185 --> 00:20:28,061 To make their connections. 481 00:20:28,061 --> 00:20:30,564 We would pop the coast maybe over by marco island, 482 00:20:30,564 --> 00:20:32,649 Fly almost all the way to georgia, 483 00:20:32,649 --> 00:20:34,234 Then turn around and fly back. 484 00:20:34,234 --> 00:20:36,069 Now we look like somebody coming south. 485 00:20:36,069 --> 00:20:37,946 Nobody coming from the north south 486 00:20:37,946 --> 00:20:39,198 Is doing anything illegal. 487 00:20:39,198 --> 00:20:41,992 You could move 62,000 dead bodies 488 00:20:41,992 --> 00:20:43,410 In a plane in the United States 489 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:45,120 Because i don't know how many planes there are 490 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,663 In the air at one time 491 00:20:46,663 --> 00:20:47,915 But there's no checking. 492 00:20:47,915 --> 00:20:49,625 You can land in a small airport 493 00:20:49,625 --> 00:20:51,335 And they don't have police at every airport, 494 00:20:51,335 --> 00:20:52,711 "Hey, what's in your plane?" 495 00:20:52,711 --> 00:20:54,213 We would make it look like we were going into 496 00:20:54,213 --> 00:20:55,672 One of the local airports, 497 00:20:55,672 --> 00:20:59,426 And what we would do is make a flyby and head west. 498 00:20:59,426 --> 00:21:02,513 We'd bought some property in lakeland. 499 00:21:02,513 --> 00:21:04,348 We built two runways there, 500 00:21:04,348 --> 00:21:06,433 Put up a couple of barns that were really hangars. 501 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:07,976 They looked like barns. 502 00:21:07,976 --> 00:21:09,561 And when you'd open up the hayloft door, 503 00:21:09,561 --> 00:21:13,148 You would see that it was shaped to the tail of an airplane. 504 00:21:13,148 --> 00:21:16,109 I would use a 5, 6, 8-year-old family car... 505 00:21:16,109 --> 00:21:17,528 And we would load 300 pieces 506 00:21:17,528 --> 00:21:19,112 And we would put air shocks on the car 507 00:21:19,112 --> 00:21:20,948 So that the car wouldn't fall to the ground 508 00:21:20,948 --> 00:21:23,534 And we'd use a tow truck to tow the vehicle back. 509 00:21:23,534 --> 00:21:25,327 We had a towing company that we'd formed 510 00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:27,955 And we bought a gas station and a garage down here in Miami. 511 00:21:27,955 --> 00:21:30,165 And the guy with the tow truck would have a work order. 512 00:21:30,165 --> 00:21:32,709 We had a driver who obviously knew what was going on 513 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:33,961 But was told, "you get pulled over 514 00:21:33,961 --> 00:21:36,338 "And they open the trunk of the car, you don't know." 515 00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:38,173 If you're driving the vehicle it's kind of hard not to know 516 00:21:38,173 --> 00:21:40,259 What's in the trunk, but the guy in the tow truck would not know. 517 00:21:40,259 --> 00:21:42,219 You don't know, you're contracted to tow the car. 518 00:21:42,219 --> 00:21:44,513 He hooked up and away he went. 519 00:21:44,513 --> 00:21:46,139 Let them take the car and let them take heat down there 520 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:48,475 But they can't hold you, you've got the bill and everything. 521 00:21:48,475 --> 00:21:50,978 We would get a caravan, with two or three cars going. 522 00:21:50,978 --> 00:21:52,354 We would use one car in front 523 00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:54,356 As a spotter, and one car behind. 524 00:21:54,356 --> 00:21:57,568 They would bring them into Miami and we did that for... 525 00:21:57,568 --> 00:22:01,154 6, 7 years, never had one little problem at all. 526 00:22:01,154 --> 00:22:02,739 That was one of the advantages of lakeland, 527 00:22:02,739 --> 00:22:04,533 I mean, there was always people being stopped 528 00:22:04,533 --> 00:22:06,285 Going from Miami north 529 00:22:06,285 --> 00:22:09,830 But you never heard of anybody ever being stopped coming south. 530 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:12,207 Mickey and them started to do air drops. 531 00:22:12,207 --> 00:22:15,419 I built me a small boat factory to play with. 532 00:22:15,419 --> 00:22:18,547 We decided to do Colombia up to the bahamas, 533 00:22:18,547 --> 00:22:20,549 Air-drop it to boats. 534 00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:22,801 And they had beacons that they would drop, 535 00:22:22,801 --> 00:22:25,888 And they would be able to know exactly where the load was 536 00:22:25,888 --> 00:22:27,347 Because there would be a frequency 537 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:29,766 That would send back to where it was. 538 00:22:29,766 --> 00:22:33,478 The middle console would open up, 539 00:22:33,478 --> 00:22:35,689 They put holes in the middle of the boat, 540 00:22:35,689 --> 00:22:37,691 And you would fill them up. 541 00:22:37,691 --> 00:22:39,776 And then bring it in with boats. 542 00:22:42,487 --> 00:22:45,449 The big problem at first was the packaging of the product 543 00:22:45,449 --> 00:22:47,993 Which was a fiasco because the Colombians, 544 00:22:47,993 --> 00:22:50,120 Being such wonderful people in organization, 545 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,455 Screwed it up for two trips. 546 00:22:51,455 --> 00:22:53,582 It would get seepage, there would be salt water 547 00:22:53,582 --> 00:22:56,084 That would get into it, and it really kills coke. 548 00:22:56,084 --> 00:22:58,378 Salt water is really an enemy of coke. 549 00:22:58,378 --> 00:23:01,256 Mickey was determined that he could stop the leakage 550 00:23:01,256 --> 00:23:02,591 And told them how to wrap it. 551 00:23:02,591 --> 00:23:04,885 I sent tape recordings, i sent pictures of it, 552 00:23:04,885 --> 00:23:06,762 Step by step as to how to do this. 553 00:23:06,762 --> 00:23:08,722 You have to understand, you're not gonna tell a Colombian 554 00:23:08,722 --> 00:23:10,557 How to do anything. 555 00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:12,893 So mickey could talk from today till tomorrow and the Colombians 556 00:23:12,893 --> 00:23:15,062 Aren't gonna do what he tells them to do anyway. 557 00:23:15,062 --> 00:23:16,688 Well, my guys go down, pick up the stuff, 558 00:23:16,688 --> 00:23:18,398 They come back on the trip... 559 00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:21,443 And it's not packaged. It was just like it always is. 560 00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:22,778 And they'd throw it out the door, 561 00:23:22,778 --> 00:23:24,696 More than half of it busted up, 562 00:23:24,696 --> 00:23:26,365 And they lost millions of dollars 563 00:23:26,365 --> 00:23:27,866 'Cause they didn't package it right. 564 00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:30,327 So by their stupidity, it would get water damage. 565 00:23:30,327 --> 00:23:32,037 And they were all bent out of shape at me. 566 00:23:32,037 --> 00:23:33,831 But they couldn't blame me, that's their problem. 567 00:23:33,831 --> 00:23:36,458 "Hey, it's your problem." 568 00:23:36,458 --> 00:23:39,294 It wasn't till the third trip that it worked 569 00:23:39,294 --> 00:23:41,922 And then it worked and worked and worked. 570 00:23:41,922 --> 00:23:44,424 Sometimes i would run what we called the front door. 571 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:46,802 The front door would be the entrance at haulover. 572 00:23:46,802 --> 00:23:48,470 We would call it the front door. 573 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:49,930 You can't say "well, you're coming in at haulover." 574 00:23:49,930 --> 00:23:51,390 So you'd come in in the front door. 575 00:23:51,390 --> 00:23:53,350 It's a code of sorts. 576 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:55,727 At haulover inlet, i'd rented an apartment 577 00:23:55,727 --> 00:23:57,271 On the 12th floor on the northeast corner 578 00:23:57,271 --> 00:23:58,605 Called the harbour house 579 00:23:58,605 --> 00:24:02,234 Which has a spectacular view of the inlet. 580 00:24:02,234 --> 00:24:05,946 And i put a young lady there, i paid her to live there, 581 00:24:05,946 --> 00:24:07,823 Paid for the apartment. 582 00:24:07,823 --> 00:24:09,408 And whenever we did a trip 583 00:24:09,408 --> 00:24:11,160 She has an unbelievable set of binoculars 584 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,536 And of course she has a radio. 585 00:24:12,536 --> 00:24:15,080 And we found every radio frequency we could have 586 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,874 Against what we'll call the competition. 587 00:24:16,874 --> 00:24:19,751 The U.S. Customs, the local marine patrol. 588 00:24:19,751 --> 00:24:22,004 We would know if they were there listening. 589 00:24:22,004 --> 00:24:24,506 So came home one time, i'm in a boat. 590 00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:26,675 Sometimes i was with the guys working in the front door 591 00:24:26,675 --> 00:24:28,135 Or in the apartment. 592 00:24:28,135 --> 00:24:29,595 This particular time i'm in a boat, 593 00:24:29,595 --> 00:24:31,680 I'm talking to my friends in the apartment. 594 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,974 Lo and behold, here comes this U.S. Customs 595 00:24:33,974 --> 00:24:36,518 And U.S. Coastguard and the guy's got an M16 rifle. 596 00:24:36,518 --> 00:24:39,813 We didn't think they were after us but they were checking boats. 597 00:24:39,813 --> 00:24:42,191 And i'm in a boat that's loaded! 598 00:24:42,191 --> 00:24:43,525 But when he pulls up alongside of me, 599 00:24:43,525 --> 00:24:45,152 The motor on his boat's going 600 00:24:45,152 --> 00:24:47,112 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang bang, bang, bang! 601 00:24:47,112 --> 00:24:48,989 I said, "jeez, that sounds terrible." 602 00:24:48,989 --> 00:24:50,491 And he says, "ah, it's been doing that since yesterday." 603 00:24:50,491 --> 00:24:51,909 Oh, oh, god! 604 00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:54,786 And he turns around and he don't get 100 feet from me 605 00:24:54,786 --> 00:24:56,455 And there's kind of a...boom! 606 00:24:56,455 --> 00:24:58,999 I thought he shot the rifle or something 607 00:24:58,999 --> 00:25:01,502 And it was... it caught the wave just perfect, 608 00:25:01,502 --> 00:25:03,253 The piston comes out through the side of the motor 609 00:25:03,253 --> 00:25:06,006 And skips on the wave. Looked like some kid throwing a rock. 610 00:25:06,006 --> 00:25:07,841 And a big flame, pshoom! Out the side, 611 00:25:07,841 --> 00:25:11,094 Just lights everything up, and i go, "god damn!" 612 00:25:11,094 --> 00:25:13,388 And they're on the radio and they can't get anyone. 613 00:25:13,388 --> 00:25:15,057 And this was with superior equipment, 614 00:25:15,057 --> 00:25:16,892 And i'm worried about these guys. I said, 615 00:25:16,892 --> 00:25:18,101 "Do you guys need a tow?" 616 00:25:18,101 --> 00:25:21,855 And i threw them a line and they got on my boat 617 00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:24,024 And i towed the U.S. Coastguard 618 00:25:24,024 --> 00:25:25,859 And the U.S. Customs, but we were in a boat 619 00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:28,695 That had 350, 400 kilos in it. 620 00:25:28,695 --> 00:25:30,030 The young lady who was up in the apartment 621 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:31,615 Said only i would-- 622 00:25:31,615 --> 00:25:35,077 Anybody else would have panicked and probably jumped overboard. 623 00:25:35,077 --> 00:25:36,662 From there we were going up 624 00:25:36,662 --> 00:25:38,247 To the entrance to maule lake marina 625 00:25:38,247 --> 00:25:40,040 Where i had several slips that i rented. 626 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,501 Then the next day my tow truck would show up 627 00:25:42,501 --> 00:25:44,253 With a work order and a trailer. 628 00:25:44,253 --> 00:25:46,129 My shop was only like four blocks away. 629 00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:48,715 The boat would go in there and we would go in the back, 630 00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:52,511 Open up the compartment and load the stuff into the cars. 631 00:25:52,511 --> 00:25:54,429 All the merchandize would be handed to me. 632 00:25:54,429 --> 00:25:56,723 I had different stash houses in Miami, 633 00:25:56,723 --> 00:25:58,433 I used normal people, 634 00:25:58,433 --> 00:26:00,561 Working people that wanted extra money. 635 00:26:00,561 --> 00:26:03,730 I would try to find someone in a decent neighborhood 636 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:06,567 That really didn't use the drug, 637 00:26:06,567 --> 00:26:09,361 Because i made a few mistakes where i would go 638 00:26:09,361 --> 00:26:11,989 And i would find like, you know, holes in the different kilos 639 00:26:11,989 --> 00:26:13,782 Where people would pop a straw in, i guess, 640 00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:15,909 And there were holes like a rat got into it. 641 00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:18,287 And it wasn't in one, it would be in five different ones 642 00:26:18,287 --> 00:26:20,706 So that maybe there was a gram or two missing from each one. 643 00:26:20,706 --> 00:26:22,916 I would pull into the garage with these cars, 644 00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:24,376 I would take the product out. 645 00:26:24,376 --> 00:26:26,336 Every house had to have a garage obviously, 646 00:26:26,336 --> 00:26:28,589 'Cause there were so many kilos going in and out of the house 647 00:26:28,589 --> 00:26:30,632 You couldn't just start unloading it in the street. 648 00:26:30,632 --> 00:26:33,552 I would count it, make sure that everything was there, 649 00:26:33,552 --> 00:26:36,138 Do it all during the day, i never worked at night. 650 00:26:36,138 --> 00:26:38,265 Each product was marked with a marking. 651 00:26:38,265 --> 00:26:40,267 Maybe 300 would have bicycles 652 00:26:40,267 --> 00:26:42,561 And 200 would have eye glasses. 653 00:26:42,561 --> 00:26:44,771 And each one went to a certain group, 654 00:26:44,771 --> 00:26:47,608 There was three, four... four different groups. 655 00:26:47,608 --> 00:26:49,276 And i had guys driving the cars 656 00:26:49,276 --> 00:26:50,652 To say a denny's 657 00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:52,112 Or uncle tom's ribs 658 00:26:52,112 --> 00:26:54,573 And whoever drove the car there would go inside 659 00:26:54,573 --> 00:26:55,908 And there'd be a Colombian inside 660 00:26:55,908 --> 00:26:57,367 And he'd just hand him the keys. 661 00:26:57,367 --> 00:26:59,369 It was always delivered to Colombians. 662 00:26:59,369 --> 00:27:02,539 Because they had brought their own Colombians here to sell it. 663 00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:04,041 And that was it, there was never 664 00:27:04,041 --> 00:27:05,876 This Miami vice ridiculousness in the street 665 00:27:05,876 --> 00:27:08,337 Where cars would pull up with guns and everything, 666 00:27:08,337 --> 00:27:09,671 "Let me see what you got in the trunk, 667 00:27:09,671 --> 00:27:12,007 "I'm gonna check it out and do tests and bring it back." 668 00:27:12,007 --> 00:27:13,550 It...it doesn't work like that. 669 00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:15,844 These people are controlled by the people down there. 670 00:27:15,844 --> 00:27:17,179 So it wasn't like they had a choice, 671 00:27:17,179 --> 00:27:18,514 They were taking it anyway 672 00:27:18,514 --> 00:27:20,098 Whether it was garbage or whether it was good, 673 00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:21,475 They were taking it. 674 00:27:21,475 --> 00:27:22,643 The people that i gave it to 675 00:27:22,643 --> 00:27:23,852 Were wholesalers. 676 00:27:23,852 --> 00:27:25,729 Those wholesalers would break it down 677 00:27:25,729 --> 00:27:29,024 Into 25, 50, 75, whatever their different... 678 00:27:29,024 --> 00:27:30,484 Retailers desired. 679 00:27:30,484 --> 00:27:32,736 I remember kilos going for $40,000, $50,000 680 00:27:32,736 --> 00:27:34,029 In the street back then. 681 00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:36,448 They would pay us for transportation of the kilos. 682 00:27:36,448 --> 00:27:38,325 And back then i think that we were getting 683 00:27:38,325 --> 00:27:40,285 $3500 a kilo. 684 00:27:40,285 --> 00:27:42,830 And what i would do to make sure we got our money was 685 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:44,456 We would only deliver half 686 00:27:44,456 --> 00:27:45,916 And they would put the money in the trunk 687 00:27:45,916 --> 00:27:47,709 And then they would return the car, 688 00:27:47,709 --> 00:27:50,921 I would then give them the rest of the product. 689 00:27:50,921 --> 00:27:54,967 So what we tried to do was keep everybody away from everybody 690 00:27:54,967 --> 00:27:56,802 And that way there was no way to trace it back. 691 00:27:56,802 --> 00:27:59,012 That was my biggest fear, that these wholesalers 692 00:27:59,012 --> 00:28:01,640 Who were giving it to four and five different retailers, 693 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,433 One of their guys would get busted 694 00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:06,019 And he didn't wanna go to jail so he would flip 695 00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:07,437 And he might tell them, you know, 696 00:28:07,437 --> 00:28:09,273 "This is my main guy over here, 697 00:28:09,273 --> 00:28:11,525 "Follow him and you're gonna follow him back to me." 698 00:28:11,525 --> 00:28:14,403 I hear stories from Rafa like, "i gotta go kill this guy 699 00:28:14,403 --> 00:28:17,156 "Because this guy got busted and he's gonna rat on my guy." 700 00:28:17,156 --> 00:28:19,116 And, you know, i'd hear all these weird stories 701 00:28:19,116 --> 00:28:22,661 So what i tried to do was make myself 702 00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:23,954 Never need anybody. 703 00:28:23,954 --> 00:28:25,289 'Cause they were getting a car, 704 00:28:25,289 --> 00:28:26,498 They didn't know where the car came from 705 00:28:26,498 --> 00:28:28,375 Because, you know, here's a car. 706 00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:30,627 And you never brought the car back 707 00:28:30,627 --> 00:28:32,504 To where you had the coke 'cause you never wanted 708 00:28:32,504 --> 00:28:34,631 To have money and drugs in the same place, 709 00:28:34,631 --> 00:28:37,301 And the money would stay there in one of the stash houses. 710 00:28:37,301 --> 00:28:39,094 Out of that money, i would take my money 711 00:28:39,094 --> 00:28:40,387 And put the rest away 712 00:28:40,387 --> 00:28:42,264 'Cause i would have to send back 713 00:28:42,264 --> 00:28:44,224 Ochoas and Escobar their money. 714 00:28:44,224 --> 00:28:46,894 At that time we were working with noriega in Panama. 715 00:28:50,564 --> 00:28:52,149 General noriega's country 716 00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:54,401 Is a mecca for drug money laundering. 717 00:28:54,401 --> 00:28:56,236 So the money would be put on one of our planes 718 00:28:56,236 --> 00:28:59,531 And we would fly the plane from here to noriega's people. 719 00:29:02,659 --> 00:29:04,119 Because we would never send a plane 720 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:05,496 With less than $10 million. 721 00:29:05,496 --> 00:29:07,289 Unlimited amounts of money may be brought 722 00:29:07,289 --> 00:29:10,000 Into and out of the country with no reporting requirements, 723 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,252 And money laundering is not a crime. 724 00:29:12,252 --> 00:29:14,796 The money would be taken off there by the army 725 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:16,882 And the army would take it to a bank 726 00:29:16,882 --> 00:29:18,759 And we were partners in the bank with noriega, 727 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:20,802 And they set up accounts and you had an account 728 00:29:20,802 --> 00:29:22,095 And just...whatever you wanted 729 00:29:22,095 --> 00:29:23,305 You wrote a check for it. 730 00:29:23,305 --> 00:29:25,432 A lot of times i would make a deal where 731 00:29:25,432 --> 00:29:26,975 Instead of paying me the cash, 732 00:29:26,975 --> 00:29:28,519 Out of this 500 kilos, 733 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,312 Give me 100 for myself 734 00:29:30,312 --> 00:29:32,314 And i could sell it for 25,000. 735 00:29:32,314 --> 00:29:34,316 So as the loads would come i'd be going through them 736 00:29:34,316 --> 00:29:35,442 Pulling out the best ones 737 00:29:35,442 --> 00:29:36,443 Because they weren't all the same, 738 00:29:36,443 --> 00:29:37,903 And i'd be throwing them over here 739 00:29:37,903 --> 00:29:39,738 And throwing them over here. It ended up where Max and i 740 00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:42,741 Were making like very trip, $750,000, $1,000,000, 741 00:29:42,741 --> 00:29:44,535 And Max was saying "wow, i used to just make, 742 00:29:44,535 --> 00:29:46,912 "You know, 250 from just the transportation." 743 00:29:46,912 --> 00:29:48,497 So not only did he plug himself in 744 00:29:48,497 --> 00:29:50,207 Where he could sit home on his fat ass, 745 00:29:50,207 --> 00:29:51,500 He plugged himself into 746 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,669 Like three times the amount of money every week. 747 00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:55,921 And the drugs...were everywhere. 748 00:29:55,921 --> 00:29:57,506 Everybody started using cocaine. 749 00:29:57,506 --> 00:30:00,926 I mean, i remember in the '80s it was like...phew! 750 00:30:00,926 --> 00:30:02,678 Cocaine was the in thing back then. 751 00:30:02,678 --> 00:30:04,346 It was the chichi thing to do. 752 00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:06,014 You know, you'd go somewhere, 753 00:30:06,014 --> 00:30:07,307 I mean, you couldn't go anywhere 754 00:30:07,307 --> 00:30:08,934 Without going into a bathroom and... 755 00:30:08,934 --> 00:30:10,602 I mean, you go in the bathroom, there was always 756 00:30:10,602 --> 00:30:11,895 Somebody in there doing a line. 757 00:30:11,895 --> 00:30:13,730 You hear the door slam, one of those toilet doors 758 00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:15,107 And behind the door... 759 00:30:15,107 --> 00:30:16,525 And everybody's putting shit up their nose. 760 00:30:16,525 --> 00:30:17,526 You would see guys 761 00:30:17,526 --> 00:30:18,986 Coming out of the girls' bathroom. 762 00:30:18,986 --> 00:30:20,821 There were clubs where the tables 763 00:30:20,821 --> 00:30:22,322 Were actually mirror tops. 764 00:30:22,322 --> 00:30:25,951 I recall waiters helping patrons chop up cocaine. 765 00:30:25,951 --> 00:30:28,912 There was a time in Miami when there were car accidents, 766 00:30:28,912 --> 00:30:30,873 These would just be routine accidents, 767 00:30:30,873 --> 00:30:33,167 Sometimes there'd be 3 or 4 or 5 of them in the vehicle, 768 00:30:33,167 --> 00:30:35,085 They'd jump out and run in all different directions. 769 00:30:35,085 --> 00:30:37,588 And you'd find cocaine and guns in the car. 770 00:30:37,588 --> 00:30:39,715 Policethey pulled this one over and they found 771 00:30:39,715 --> 00:30:43,594 30 duffel bags filled with 2100 plus pounds 772 00:30:43,594 --> 00:30:45,846 Of 90% to 95% pure cocaine. 773 00:30:45,846 --> 00:30:48,849 But while busts and seizures of most drugs are up, 774 00:30:48,849 --> 00:30:52,352 There is more cocaine in South Florida then ever before. 775 00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:56,690 We went from having cases of a kilo or 2 kilos of cocaine 776 00:30:56,690 --> 00:31:00,194 To 1,000 kilos, which is a tonne of cocaine, 777 00:31:00,194 --> 00:31:03,864 To 5,000 kilos, which is 10 tons of cocaine. 778 00:31:03,864 --> 00:31:07,034 There was a period of time where over a 5-year period, 779 00:31:07,034 --> 00:31:11,371 I tried the "largest amount of cocaine in history" case 780 00:31:11,371 --> 00:31:12,539 10 times. 781 00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:15,292 Every case was bigger than the last one 782 00:31:15,292 --> 00:31:16,793 And a new record. 783 00:31:16,793 --> 00:31:19,004 Usually, when prices of goods fall, 784 00:31:19,004 --> 00:31:20,547 This comes as good news. 785 00:31:20,547 --> 00:31:24,801 An exception are the current bargain rates for cocaine. 786 00:31:24,801 --> 00:31:26,011 There were millions of dollars of drugs 787 00:31:26,011 --> 00:31:27,429 Dropping out of the air. 788 00:31:27,429 --> 00:31:29,681 There was one day that a preacher was giving a sermon 789 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:31,266 In a south state church and one of the things 790 00:31:31,266 --> 00:31:33,769 He was speaking out against was drugs 791 00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:34,978 And half a million dollars in cocaine 792 00:31:34,978 --> 00:31:36,522 Came crashing through the roof 793 00:31:36,522 --> 00:31:38,065 Because the plane that was dropping it 794 00:31:38,065 --> 00:31:39,441 Got off course 795 00:31:39,441 --> 00:31:42,736 And it was being chased by a customs plane. 796 00:31:42,736 --> 00:31:44,613 The price for the illegal white powder 797 00:31:44,613 --> 00:31:48,742 In South Florida has fallen by 50% in the last 2 years. 798 00:31:48,742 --> 00:31:50,786 Oh, my god! You got these people from cali, 799 00:31:50,786 --> 00:31:52,871 You got another cartel from barranquilla, 800 00:31:52,871 --> 00:31:54,248 You started to multiply all the cocaine 801 00:31:54,248 --> 00:31:55,415 That was coming into this country. 802 00:31:55,415 --> 00:31:56,750 The Miami-Colombian connection 803 00:31:56,750 --> 00:32:00,838 Is 80% of a $20 billion annual cocaine business. 804 00:32:00,838 --> 00:32:03,006 Miami is one of the principal branch offices 805 00:32:03,006 --> 00:32:05,801 Of what can be called cocaine, inc. 806 00:32:05,801 --> 00:32:08,428 Florida is awash in cocaine. 807 00:32:12,182 --> 00:32:13,642 It was everywhere. It was everywhere. 808 00:32:13,642 --> 00:32:15,477 It was everywhere. Clubs, restaurants, 809 00:32:15,477 --> 00:32:16,645 It was just everywhere. 810 00:32:16,645 --> 00:32:19,231 The elitist drug is turning blue collar. 811 00:32:19,231 --> 00:32:24,236 Regular middle class folks think of it as beer or popcorn. 812 00:32:24,236 --> 00:32:28,282 One out of ten American workers on the job is stoned. 813 00:32:28,282 --> 00:32:30,909 People would wear it on their neck, nobody hid it. 814 00:32:30,909 --> 00:32:32,411 Nobody tried to hide it. 815 00:32:32,411 --> 00:32:34,246 I mean i tried it, of course i tried it, 816 00:32:34,246 --> 00:32:35,581 But i could never figure out 817 00:32:35,581 --> 00:32:37,166 What people... why did they like it. 818 00:32:37,166 --> 00:32:39,710 It is so intense, i can't even describe it. 819 00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:41,253 It's the best, it really is. 820 00:32:41,253 --> 00:32:42,629 People went crazy for it. 821 00:32:42,629 --> 00:32:44,840 In dade county alone, fatal drug overdoses 822 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,468 Have increased more than 88% in just the last 12 months. 823 00:32:48,468 --> 00:32:51,138 15 years ago one coke-related death a year 824 00:32:51,138 --> 00:32:53,307 Was rare. Cocaine deaths in dade county 825 00:32:53,307 --> 00:32:55,642 Have now jumped to about two a week. 826 00:32:55,642 --> 00:32:57,186 People started smoking it. 827 00:32:57,186 --> 00:32:59,771 Studies indicate that most cocaine users here 828 00:32:59,771 --> 00:33:01,565 Have switched to smoking the drug. 829 00:33:01,565 --> 00:33:03,150 Did you come here to smoke cocaine? 830 00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:04,193 Yeah. 831 00:33:04,193 --> 00:33:06,403 And not the crack but freebasing, 832 00:33:06,403 --> 00:33:08,155 Because freebasing came before crack. 833 00:33:08,155 --> 00:33:09,490 It became a rage, people would 834 00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:11,658 Lock themselves in houses and freebase. 835 00:33:11,658 --> 00:33:14,953 And i stayed up for almost four and a half days straight, 836 00:33:14,953 --> 00:33:17,873 Nonstop, no food, no sleep. 837 00:33:17,873 --> 00:33:20,709 I couldn't understand but i kept, "do it, do it." 838 00:33:20,709 --> 00:33:22,336 You know what i mean? For me it was just a business, 839 00:33:22,336 --> 00:33:25,589 And the more they did, the more money i was making. 840 00:33:25,589 --> 00:33:29,426 I came down here with $750 or $800. 841 00:33:29,426 --> 00:33:30,552 That's what i had to my name. 842 00:33:30,552 --> 00:33:33,805 I was, uh, 25 years old, 26 years old. 843 00:33:33,805 --> 00:33:35,974 I remember when i first started in the business, 844 00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:38,560 I used my grandfather's apartment on South Beach. 845 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,103 I used to have kilos in his apartment 846 00:33:40,103 --> 00:33:42,189 And i'll never forget the first time he looked at them 847 00:33:42,189 --> 00:33:44,149 And he said, "what is this?" And i told him what it was 848 00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:46,235 And he said, "i can't understand." 849 00:33:46,235 --> 00:33:48,070 I said, "can you understand like, you know, 850 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:50,030 "I'm making like 50 grand a week?" 851 00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:51,657 I remember one time i went to him and said, 852 00:33:51,657 --> 00:33:53,325 "You know something, i'm not gonna use your house anymore. 853 00:33:53,325 --> 00:33:54,701 "I'm gonna pay somebody." And he said, 854 00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:56,453 "What do you mean? Don't do that, don't do that." 855 00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:58,664 And i said, "it's okay, i got a million dollars now." 856 00:33:58,664 --> 00:34:00,833 And he said, "you don't have a million dollars." 857 00:34:00,833 --> 00:34:02,543 I said, "i got a million dollars now, i'm gonna pay somebody 858 00:34:02,543 --> 00:34:04,086 "To put stuff in their house. 859 00:34:04,086 --> 00:34:05,754 "I don't need to do this to you anymore." 860 00:34:05,754 --> 00:34:07,339 'Cause at that time a million dollars to me 861 00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:08,298 Was a lot of money. 862 00:34:08,298 --> 00:34:10,008 It was the first million you ever make 863 00:34:10,008 --> 00:34:13,095 So it's a lot of money, but after that it was like... 864 00:34:14,429 --> 00:34:16,890 In the mid to late '70s 865 00:34:16,890 --> 00:34:20,686 Much of the American economy was in a state of shambles. 866 00:34:20,686 --> 00:34:22,729 2nd the financial pages of the Miami herald 867 00:34:22,729 --> 00:34:26,400 Were talking about a nationwide recession that was in progress. 868 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,862 Unemployment was huge, people were losing their homes, 869 00:34:29,862 --> 00:34:31,655 The real estate market went to hell. 870 00:34:31,655 --> 00:34:34,575 The drug trade is rapidly affecting our economy 871 00:34:34,575 --> 00:34:35,951 Here in South Florida. 872 00:34:35,951 --> 00:34:37,619 But in Miami you couldn't buy a house. 873 00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:39,204 In Miami they couldn't get 874 00:34:39,204 --> 00:34:41,832 Enough gold rolexes to supply the local market. 875 00:34:41,832 --> 00:34:46,003 For the first 6 months of 1977, retail sales in Miami 876 00:34:46,003 --> 00:34:47,671 Topped $10 billion. 877 00:34:47,671 --> 00:34:49,548 No sign of recession here. 878 00:34:49,548 --> 00:34:51,300 South Florida has held up better than 879 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,093 Some of the other parts of the country. 880 00:34:53,093 --> 00:34:55,888 In Miami, we were selling bulletproof cars 881 00:34:55,888 --> 00:34:57,264 For hundreds of thousands of dollars. 882 00:34:57,264 --> 00:35:00,767 You couldn't get a Ferrari or a Mercedes at all. 883 00:35:00,767 --> 00:35:02,144 Some of the car dealers we checked with 884 00:35:02,144 --> 00:35:05,272 Said they have less than a one-month supply of unsold cars. 885 00:35:05,272 --> 00:35:07,399 They'd said they are still taking deposits 886 00:35:07,399 --> 00:35:09,401 Though deliveries will be delayed. 887 00:35:09,401 --> 00:35:12,946 They were all going to the "Drug-Dealer" market. 888 00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:16,074 Drugs and money, they go hand in hand in South Florida. 889 00:35:16,074 --> 00:35:19,244 It's a $7 billion a year retail business, 890 00:35:19,244 --> 00:35:23,790 That's about $12,000 for each household in dade county. 891 00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:26,460 If you reach in your wallet in Miami 892 00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:29,254 And take out a bill and analyze that bill, 893 00:35:29,254 --> 00:35:30,964 You will find cocaine on it. 894 00:35:30,964 --> 00:35:32,758 The profits for the drug lords 895 00:35:32,758 --> 00:35:35,344 Have made the local economy recession resistant. 896 00:35:35,344 --> 00:35:38,972 Every day, cash pours into our cocaine economy. 897 00:35:38,972 --> 00:35:40,349 Buying real estate, 898 00:35:40,349 --> 00:35:42,267 Boats, cars. 899 00:35:42,267 --> 00:35:43,602 I had a Turbo Porsche, 900 00:35:43,602 --> 00:35:46,980 I had a Mercedes, back then the 6.9 was the hot car. 901 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:48,398 We had an argument one time. 902 00:35:48,398 --> 00:35:50,108 We got mad at each other and she wanted something 903 00:35:50,108 --> 00:35:51,318 And i wouldn't give it to her. 904 00:35:51,318 --> 00:35:53,403 I walked over and slapped him across the face. 905 00:35:53,403 --> 00:35:54,822 She chased me around the driveway 906 00:35:54,822 --> 00:35:57,115 And we took two Mercedes and just smashed them to death. 907 00:35:57,115 --> 00:36:00,077 Jon pulled out a gun and shot at the car 908 00:36:00,077 --> 00:36:01,954 Through the... right next to my head. 909 00:36:01,954 --> 00:36:04,039 I had to have somebody come pick them up on wreckers 910 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:05,123 And destroy them! 911 00:36:05,123 --> 00:36:07,292 We demolished both vehicles. 912 00:36:07,292 --> 00:36:08,627 And then i'd laugh about it the next day. 913 00:36:08,627 --> 00:36:10,254 We wrecked a lot of things. 914 00:36:10,254 --> 00:36:12,673 Jesus, that was $100,000 worth of cars, you know. 915 00:36:12,673 --> 00:36:15,384 At that time there was a company called: L.P Evans Mercedes. 916 00:36:15,384 --> 00:36:20,013 He had guys like Max, Rafael, two or three of Rafael's workers 917 00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:24,226 Buying like on an average, what? 8, 10 Mercedes a year 918 00:36:24,226 --> 00:36:26,687 From the Mercedes dealer with a check from Panama. 919 00:36:26,687 --> 00:36:28,814 I mean who buys 8, 10 Mercedes a year? 920 00:36:28,814 --> 00:36:30,274 They didn't care back then. 921 00:36:30,274 --> 00:36:32,693 They would let me walk in "oh, how are you mr. Roberts? 922 00:36:32,693 --> 00:36:33,735 "What do you need this week?" 923 00:36:33,735 --> 00:36:35,362 "I need the 6.9 over there." 924 00:36:35,362 --> 00:36:36,697 "Okay, is it all right in black?" 925 00:36:36,697 --> 00:36:38,031 "Yeah, he don't care what color it is. 926 00:36:38,031 --> 00:36:39,825 "And i need a station wagon for his girlfriend." 927 00:36:39,825 --> 00:36:40,951 And i'd just write him a check. 928 00:36:40,951 --> 00:36:42,161 It wasn't even a cashier's check. 929 00:36:42,161 --> 00:36:43,620 I knew the guy in the Mercedes dealer, 930 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:48,041 It was just a check drawn from a Panamanian bank, 931 00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:49,877 Out of the door would go the car. 932 00:36:49,877 --> 00:36:51,461 Relatively little is being done 933 00:36:51,461 --> 00:36:55,507 To stop this disease-like spread of the cocaine economy. 934 00:36:55,507 --> 00:36:57,176 Everybody wanted money back then. 935 00:36:57,176 --> 00:37:00,554 It's not unusual for a latin to spend $20,000 and more 936 00:37:00,554 --> 00:37:02,598 For all kinds of merchandise. 937 00:37:02,598 --> 00:37:05,809 And best of all for the merchant, he pays in cash. 938 00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:08,770 If South Florida businessmen are not hooked on drugs, 939 00:37:08,770 --> 00:37:11,899 The experts say they can be addicted to drug money. 940 00:37:11,899 --> 00:37:13,734 We purchased a Cessna conquest. 941 00:37:13,734 --> 00:37:16,487 We paid $980,000 for it 942 00:37:16,487 --> 00:37:19,656 In cash, how do you like that? Try that one today. 943 00:37:19,656 --> 00:37:20,699 They never blinked an eye. 944 00:37:20,699 --> 00:37:21,658 They suspect they know 945 00:37:21,658 --> 00:37:22,993 Where the money comes from 946 00:37:22,993 --> 00:37:25,287 But they are not gonna bite the hand that feeds them. 947 00:37:25,287 --> 00:37:26,663 They never blinked an eye. 948 00:37:26,663 --> 00:37:28,790 Don't ask, don't tell, take the money and run. 949 00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:30,167 And they didn't give a shit. 950 00:37:30,167 --> 00:37:32,211 Cocaine and marijuana sales through Miami 951 00:37:32,211 --> 00:37:33,962 Generate so much money 952 00:37:33,962 --> 00:37:37,049 That smugglers literally have no place to put it all. 953 00:37:37,049 --> 00:37:39,218 You don't understand, i had garbage bags in my lawn 954 00:37:39,218 --> 00:37:42,054 With, you know, each bag had like a million, $700,000, 955 00:37:42,054 --> 00:37:43,472 Buried in the lawn 'cause i had nowhere to put it. 956 00:37:43,472 --> 00:37:45,766 He used to bury it in the horse feed too. 957 00:37:45,766 --> 00:37:47,351 I remember i'd be digging for horse feed 958 00:37:47,351 --> 00:37:50,854 I'd find money in the horse bag. 959 00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:52,940 And it was like, you know, nobody was questioning anything 960 00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:54,274 Because my neighbor next to me, 961 00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:55,776 I was giving him 10 kilos a week. 962 00:37:55,776 --> 00:37:57,820 Tierra Del Rey, the neighborhood was like 963 00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:59,446 Falling apart when we moved in. 964 00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:00,739 And my neighbor across the street was getting 965 00:38:00,739 --> 00:38:02,950 20 kilos a week, so he was watching out for me. 966 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:04,201 Everybody was hurt for money 967 00:38:04,201 --> 00:38:06,161 And all of a sudden everybody had money. 968 00:38:06,161 --> 00:38:08,580 That was a whole neighborhood. 969 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:10,749 You shell out an extra hundred grand you're not supposed to, 970 00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:13,794 And it's okay. You know, Jon was good like that. 971 00:38:13,794 --> 00:38:15,546 It didn't matter, though. It was never like, 972 00:38:15,546 --> 00:38:17,714 "Uh-Oh, i don't have enough money to buy this." 973 00:38:17,714 --> 00:38:20,133 Well, you know, how could that be? 974 00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:21,844 How could it possibly be? 975 00:38:21,844 --> 00:38:24,054 I had three cigarettes hanging in the back yard, 976 00:38:24,054 --> 00:38:26,807 Two cougars, i had mountain lions living in my house. 977 00:38:26,807 --> 00:38:28,684 I had a helicopter in my back yard. 978 00:38:28,684 --> 00:38:30,853 And i used to fly with the helicopter to the racetrack. 979 00:38:30,853 --> 00:38:32,312 Everybody else was driving their cars. 980 00:38:32,312 --> 00:38:34,523 I'd land to see my horses running in the helicopter 981 00:38:34,523 --> 00:38:36,483 For like an hour and then go back home. 982 00:38:36,483 --> 00:38:39,069 I had 40, 50 horses at a time, race horses. 983 00:38:39,069 --> 00:38:41,321 Oh, my god, he had terrific race horses. 984 00:38:41,321 --> 00:38:43,532 You know what they cost a month to feed? 985 00:38:43,532 --> 00:38:45,576 50,000 a month just to feed 'em. 986 00:38:45,576 --> 00:38:46,618 You didn't care what it cost 987 00:38:46,618 --> 00:38:48,412 'Cause you had money in your pocket. 988 00:38:48,412 --> 00:38:49,413 People went out and partied. 989 00:38:49,413 --> 00:38:51,165 We suddenly had dozens 990 00:38:51,165 --> 00:38:53,542 Of super-high-end nightclubs opening. 991 00:38:53,542 --> 00:38:55,586 It's been years since a real night club 992 00:38:55,586 --> 00:38:57,087 Opened on Miami beach. 993 00:38:57,087 --> 00:38:58,881 The jockey club, turnberry, 994 00:38:58,881 --> 00:39:00,465 The palm bay club, the cricket club. 995 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:02,551 But the best of all clubs was definitely 996 00:39:02,551 --> 00:39:04,803 The mutiny in coconut grove. 997 00:39:04,803 --> 00:39:08,682 It catered almost exclusively to the drug traffic. 998 00:39:08,682 --> 00:39:10,475 If you were in that trade, you had the money. 999 00:39:10,475 --> 00:39:13,020 You could entertain people lavishly. 1000 00:39:13,020 --> 00:39:14,855 I mean we used to go into restaurants... 1001 00:39:14,855 --> 00:39:17,024 To dinner at arturo's, or the palm 1002 00:39:17,024 --> 00:39:18,358 Or joe's stone crab. 1003 00:39:18,358 --> 00:39:20,694 At that time, the forge was the best restaurant. 1004 00:39:20,694 --> 00:39:22,362 They would just give us the back room at the forge 1005 00:39:22,362 --> 00:39:24,490 And just close the whole back room down. 1006 00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:27,284 And here you could spend $20,000 in a night there 1007 00:39:27,284 --> 00:39:28,660 And we would destroy the walls, 1008 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:30,662 And here's the money, whatever we did, fix it up. 1009 00:39:30,662 --> 00:39:34,124 It was like waste, it was like nothing, the money. 1010 00:39:34,124 --> 00:39:36,376 And Jon liked to go out to the ladies bars. 1011 00:39:36,376 --> 00:39:39,630 It was nothing to spend $5,000 in a strip joint. 1012 00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:42,090 I mean, you are talking about not one night 1013 00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:43,842 You're talking about three or four nights a week 1014 00:39:43,842 --> 00:39:45,344 And i'd tell my friends, "you see that girl there? 1015 00:39:45,344 --> 00:39:48,680 "I guarantee you i can get her to have sex with you tonight." 1016 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,140 And he would say, "there's no way, 1017 00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:51,725 "She doesn't want to look at me and have sex." 1018 00:39:51,725 --> 00:39:53,143 And i'd tell her, "how much do you need 1019 00:39:53,143 --> 00:39:55,479 "To have sex with this guy?" "I'm not doing that." 1020 00:39:55,479 --> 00:39:57,356 "You're not doing it? Here's 500." 1021 00:39:57,356 --> 00:39:58,690 "I'm not doing it." "Here's a thousand." 1022 00:39:58,690 --> 00:40:00,192 "You're not doing it? Here's 2000." 1023 00:40:00,192 --> 00:40:02,694 Eventually, like i said, she'd break down, 1024 00:40:02,694 --> 00:40:04,112 $2,000, $3000, "i'll have sex." 1025 00:40:04,112 --> 00:40:07,032 And the guy would be like, you know, they'd be shaking, 1026 00:40:07,032 --> 00:40:09,326 They couldn't understand how you do all this. 1027 00:40:09,326 --> 00:40:11,870 I still believe it now even though maybe Miami's changed, 1028 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:14,081 Everybody had a price. Everybody does have a price. 1029 00:40:14,081 --> 00:40:15,624 There are very few people that don't. 1030 00:40:15,624 --> 00:40:17,876 You could start as high as noriega in Panama 1031 00:40:17,876 --> 00:40:19,086 And you can go all the way down 1032 00:40:19,086 --> 00:40:21,672 To city managers, to the police departments. 1033 00:40:21,672 --> 00:40:23,048 If somebody got pulled over 1034 00:40:23,048 --> 00:40:25,592 And they had 50 kilos in the trunk, offer a bribe. 1035 00:40:25,592 --> 00:40:28,387 You know, maybe you couldn't bribe a cop with $20 1036 00:40:28,387 --> 00:40:31,306 Or $50 or $100, but there were hundreds and hundreds 1037 00:40:31,306 --> 00:40:32,349 Of thousands of dollars. 1038 00:40:32,349 --> 00:40:33,976 Tell them within an hour you'll have 1039 00:40:33,976 --> 00:40:35,894 Whatever it is that they want there in cash. 1040 00:40:35,894 --> 00:40:37,020 Half a million dollars, 1041 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:38,814 Three quarters of a million dollars. 1042 00:40:38,814 --> 00:40:40,107 But you've got to leave with the coke. 1043 00:40:40,107 --> 00:40:41,525 And most of the time it worked. 1044 00:40:41,525 --> 00:40:42,860 I happened to know this lieutenant 1045 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:44,319 That worked in north bay village, 1046 00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:45,320 Approached him one day and i said, 1047 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,030 "Listen, i want to unload some boats 1048 00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:49,032 "Behind the north bay village police department, 1049 00:40:49,032 --> 00:40:50,659 "You think we've got any problem doing that?" 1050 00:40:50,659 --> 00:40:52,911 He said, "i'll tell you what, we'll have two patrol cars 1051 00:40:52,911 --> 00:40:54,121 "And we'll throw it in the back of the patrol cars 1052 00:40:54,121 --> 00:40:55,581 "And drive it wherever you want." 1053 00:40:55,581 --> 00:40:57,916 We had four mayors indicted, 1054 00:40:57,916 --> 00:41:02,045 Most of them convicted of engaging in corruption. 1055 00:41:02,045 --> 00:41:04,631 We became so powerful and had so much money. 1056 00:41:04,631 --> 00:41:06,008 Are there places where they are more powerful 1057 00:41:06,008 --> 00:41:08,427 Than the government? Uh...unfortunately 1058 00:41:08,427 --> 00:41:09,970 I think that that may be true. 1059 00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:12,514 I was a member of the republican inner circle. 1060 00:41:12,514 --> 00:41:14,433 Howard baker sent me a letter and said, 1061 00:41:14,433 --> 00:41:16,894 "Send me my contribution and you can come to washington." 1062 00:41:16,894 --> 00:41:19,980 Here i am with all these senators, all these big people, 1063 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:21,523 And not one of them ever questioned me 1064 00:41:21,523 --> 00:41:24,067 Or even said to me, "what is it you do down in Miami?" 1065 00:41:24,067 --> 00:41:25,444 Come on, they welcomed me in there 1066 00:41:25,444 --> 00:41:26,945 Because i made a big contribution 1067 00:41:26,945 --> 00:41:28,363 To the republican party. 1068 00:41:28,363 --> 00:41:30,782 You're in the inner circle, and i said to myself, 1069 00:41:30,782 --> 00:41:32,618 "You know, i did this, you know, all with drugs 1070 00:41:32,618 --> 00:41:34,912 "And i did it with nothing else, you know." 1071 00:41:34,912 --> 00:41:37,789 Cocaine trafficking and the money, 1072 00:41:37,789 --> 00:41:42,377 The money almost ruins any morality in this community. 1073 00:41:42,377 --> 00:41:44,087 Millions of dollars in cash 1074 00:41:44,087 --> 00:41:46,632 Supports a network of drug banks. 1075 00:41:46,632 --> 00:41:48,509 Have you ever seen a city with so many banks? 1076 00:41:48,509 --> 00:41:49,927 You're gonna tell me there's that kind of 1077 00:41:49,927 --> 00:41:51,678 Industry and business in this city? 1078 00:41:51,678 --> 00:41:53,388 Please, come on. 1079 00:41:53,388 --> 00:41:55,265 What makes law officials suspicious 1080 00:41:55,265 --> 00:41:57,518 Is that last year South Florida banks 1081 00:41:57,518 --> 00:42:02,356 Took in $6 billion in extra cash from depositors. 1082 00:42:02,356 --> 00:42:06,693 Bank presidents were in rooms for days counting currency. 1083 00:42:06,693 --> 00:42:08,695 Is landmark a cocaine bank? 1084 00:42:08,695 --> 00:42:10,489 It is not, definitely not. 1085 00:42:10,489 --> 00:42:14,117 Banks invested in huge cash-counting machines. 1086 00:42:14,117 --> 00:42:16,453 Lacking storage space, the banks turned it over 1087 00:42:16,453 --> 00:42:17,996 To the federal reserve. 1088 00:42:17,996 --> 00:42:20,290 Authorities say a bank this size normally deposits 1089 00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:23,919 About $12 million a year in cash with the federal reserve. 1090 00:42:23,919 --> 00:42:26,046 Last year, Continental-National 1091 00:42:26,046 --> 00:42:29,049 Deposited $600 million in cash. 1092 00:42:29,049 --> 00:42:30,259 Are you implying that 1093 00:42:30,259 --> 00:42:31,802 In this bank there's something wrong? 1094 00:42:31,802 --> 00:42:32,803 This is the counting room 1095 00:42:32,803 --> 00:42:34,930 Of the federal reserve bank in Miami. 1096 00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:37,140 Last year, the federal reserve bank here 1097 00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:41,061 Generated a surplus in cash of $5 billion, 1098 00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:43,564 More money than all of the other federal reserve banks 1099 00:42:43,564 --> 00:42:45,357 In the country combined. 1100 00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:47,192 Miami could possibly be described 1101 00:42:47,192 --> 00:42:49,278 As the overseas corporate headquarters 1102 00:42:49,278 --> 00:42:51,321 For money laundering for the Colombians. 1103 00:42:51,321 --> 00:42:53,323 I started buying property all over the place. 1104 00:42:53,323 --> 00:42:54,825 There are thousands of properties 1105 00:42:54,825 --> 00:42:56,410 Worth more than a billion dollars 1106 00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:59,580 That have been bought with illicit money in South Florida. 1107 00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:00,664 A couple of houses. 1108 00:43:00,664 --> 00:43:01,915 We bought a boat company. 1109 00:43:01,915 --> 00:43:03,417 The property where the boat shop was at. 1110 00:43:03,417 --> 00:43:04,418 We bought apartments. 1111 00:43:04,418 --> 00:43:05,544 Lots of warehouse space. 1112 00:43:05,544 --> 00:43:08,422 We bought 480 acres of land up in tampa. 1113 00:43:08,422 --> 00:43:09,798 Great deal of real estate. 1114 00:43:09,798 --> 00:43:11,091 We bought one of the buildings 1115 00:43:11,091 --> 00:43:12,467 So we could make it a radio room. 1116 00:43:12,467 --> 00:43:14,761 A thousand acres up here in central Florida. 1117 00:43:14,761 --> 00:43:18,098 Drug dealers would come in and buy 8, 10, 15 houses. 1118 00:43:18,098 --> 00:43:19,266 One place in south Miami, 1119 00:43:19,266 --> 00:43:21,351 I owned practically the whole neighborhood. 1120 00:43:21,351 --> 00:43:25,606 I had $24 million in real estate. 1121 00:43:25,606 --> 00:43:29,985 I'm going to work one day, i come onto interstate 95, 1122 00:43:29,985 --> 00:43:35,199 Which gives me a beautiful view of all of downtown Miami. 1123 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,159 "Look at this" and we counted... 1124 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:42,414 22 construction cranes 1125 00:43:42,414 --> 00:43:45,083 On the horizon, that we could see. 1126 00:43:45,083 --> 00:43:48,378 I said, "i wonder how much of this is drug money." 1127 00:43:48,378 --> 00:43:51,965 God! How much did i spend? 1128 00:43:51,965 --> 00:43:57,346 And there was so much money that once it broke through 1129 00:43:57,346 --> 00:43:58,847 It couldn't be eradicated. 1130 00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:03,810 Probably as much as i put in the bank-- 1131 00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,855 $50 million easily, easily. 1132 00:44:06,855 --> 00:44:08,941 Billions of dollars may have funded 1133 00:44:08,941 --> 00:44:12,611 A lot of development and a lot of construction in Miami. 1134 00:44:12,611 --> 00:44:14,530 But it was blood money. 1135 00:44:22,788 --> 00:44:24,331 '79 was the year when 1136 00:44:24,331 --> 00:44:27,793 Things began to get really serious. 1137 00:44:27,793 --> 00:44:30,546 Certainly dadeland really was the defining moment. 1138 00:44:30,546 --> 00:44:32,881 The first public shot of the cocaine wars. 1139 00:44:32,881 --> 00:44:35,259 The shootout occurred at about 2:30 this afternoon 1140 00:44:35,259 --> 00:44:38,053 When two or more latin males entered the crown liquor store 1141 00:44:38,053 --> 00:44:40,055 Here on the west end of the dadeland mall. 1142 00:44:40,055 --> 00:44:42,850 They were followed by two or three other latin males 1143 00:44:42,850 --> 00:44:44,518 And then the shooting began. 1144 00:44:44,518 --> 00:44:46,436 I mean, we knew exactly, the minute we heard that, 1145 00:44:46,436 --> 00:44:49,815 It was another Colombian drug-related machine-gunning. 1146 00:44:49,815 --> 00:44:51,984 Right now two people are dead 1147 00:44:51,984 --> 00:44:54,069 And there are others injured. 1148 00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:56,822 Woinside the liquor store, one Colombian national 1149 00:44:56,822 --> 00:45:00,159 And another non-Cuban latin suspected of drug trafficking 1150 00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,828 Lay face up in a pool of blood. 1151 00:45:02,828 --> 00:45:04,788 Well, i went racing down there and i said, 1152 00:45:04,788 --> 00:45:06,999 "I'm from the Miami herald, you know, what happened here?" 1153 00:45:06,999 --> 00:45:09,751 And the cops were just shocked and askance. 1154 00:45:09,751 --> 00:45:12,421 I have never seen in my life uh... 1155 00:45:12,421 --> 00:45:14,756 Uh...an extensive amount of, uh... 1156 00:45:14,756 --> 00:45:18,427 Uh...how would you put it? 1157 00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:21,221 Well, july 1979, i'd been in homicide for about 2 years. 1158 00:45:21,221 --> 00:45:23,599 But this was just beyond the scope of anything 1159 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,226 That anybody could have imagined up until that day. 1160 00:45:26,226 --> 00:45:29,313 Well, there was just glass, debris, all over the place. 1161 00:45:29,313 --> 00:45:33,484 There were bullet cases on the wall, on the floor, 1162 00:45:33,484 --> 00:45:36,778 On the shelf, it just looked like an old western shootout. 1163 00:45:36,778 --> 00:45:38,155 The assailant sprayed gunfire 1164 00:45:38,155 --> 00:45:39,531 All around the parking lot. 1165 00:45:39,531 --> 00:45:40,532 Did you see what happened to them 1166 00:45:40,532 --> 00:45:41,575 When the shooting was over? 1167 00:45:41,575 --> 00:45:43,744 They ran. Where? 1168 00:45:43,744 --> 00:45:45,621 I don't know, i was running. 1169 00:45:45,621 --> 00:45:47,706 Innocent bystanders dove for cover, 1170 00:45:47,706 --> 00:45:49,666 Cars were riddled with machine-gun fire, 1171 00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:51,001 Gas tanks spilling out. 1172 00:45:51,001 --> 00:45:53,212 Actually there were two scenes, they were the primary scene 1173 00:45:53,212 --> 00:45:55,589 Where the two dead bodies were inside crown liquors, 1174 00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:57,633 But the secondary scene, which is where i was assigned to 1175 00:45:57,633 --> 00:45:59,801 Was what has become known as the war wagon. 1176 00:46:01,470 --> 00:46:03,847 A delivery van was found abandoned 1177 00:46:03,847 --> 00:46:05,224 In the north side of the mall 1178 00:46:05,224 --> 00:46:06,934 With the door open and the motor running. 1179 00:46:06,934 --> 00:46:09,770 It was a 1979 brand-new Ford Econoline van 1180 00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:11,438 Converted into an armed personnel carrier. 1181 00:46:11,438 --> 00:46:12,773 It was just a death machine. 1182 00:46:12,773 --> 00:46:15,275 It had reinforced steel welded to the sides. 1183 00:46:15,275 --> 00:46:17,569 Windows could be popped out, used as gun ports. 1184 00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:20,447 It said "happy time party supply" on the side. 1185 00:46:20,447 --> 00:46:22,449 Inside we found 14 different weapons. 1186 00:46:22,449 --> 00:46:25,202 These killers were like the dixie cup generation, 1187 00:46:25,202 --> 00:46:26,662 The throwaway generation. 1188 00:46:26,662 --> 00:46:29,164 They would shoot a gun until it was empty, 1189 00:46:29,164 --> 00:46:30,791 Throw it down and pick up another one. 1190 00:46:30,791 --> 00:46:34,628 You name it, Shotguns, Carbines, Mac-10, an Uzi, 1191 00:46:34,628 --> 00:46:37,297 Assorted handguns, ammunition for all of them. 1192 00:46:37,297 --> 00:46:41,176 The war wagon was really i think the big turning point 1193 00:46:41,176 --> 00:46:45,347 Where the police realized what they were up against 1194 00:46:45,347 --> 00:46:46,598 And how out-gunned they were. 1195 00:46:46,598 --> 00:46:48,475 What would the amount of weaponry in that van 1196 00:46:48,475 --> 00:46:49,977 Indicate to you? 1197 00:46:49,977 --> 00:46:52,187 Well...they were well armed, we can say that 1198 00:46:52,187 --> 00:46:56,066 And they...they came prepared to do battle. 1199 00:46:56,066 --> 00:46:57,651 Wobullets were flying everywhere. 1200 00:46:57,651 --> 00:46:59,611 The final tally were that 86 rounds 1201 00:46:59,611 --> 00:47:01,155 Had been fired by all the weapons. 1202 00:47:01,155 --> 00:47:02,823 God knows, i don't know how many... 1203 00:47:02,823 --> 00:47:04,408 How many times these people were shot. 1204 00:47:04,408 --> 00:47:06,577 There were just so many bullet wounds over these victims 1205 00:47:06,577 --> 00:47:08,829 That it just made it impossible for me 1206 00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:11,665 To determine the exact number of shots. 1207 00:47:11,665 --> 00:47:13,417 We did the standard follow-up leads, 1208 00:47:13,417 --> 00:47:15,460 The truck had been falsely registered. 1209 00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:17,880 The firearms had been bought under false names. 1210 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,506 We went to the addresses-- The ones that were good 1211 00:47:19,506 --> 00:47:20,716 The people had fled. 1212 00:47:20,716 --> 00:47:21,925 So it was your typical Colombian case, 1213 00:47:21,925 --> 00:47:23,135 You know, went nowhere fast. 1214 00:47:23,135 --> 00:47:24,887 Officers searched the surrounding neighborhood 1215 00:47:24,887 --> 00:47:27,556 For more than an hour but turned up no suspects. 1216 00:47:27,556 --> 00:47:29,183 I said, "another open pending," 1217 00:47:29,183 --> 00:47:31,810 Open pending means an unsolved case, 1218 00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:35,689 Because we had no success whatsoever to date 1219 00:47:35,689 --> 00:47:37,065 Closing the Colombian murder. 1220 00:47:37,065 --> 00:47:39,109 We had a brand-new phenomenon here 1221 00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:41,195 The level of violence was unprecedented. 1222 00:47:41,195 --> 00:47:43,113 The sophistication was unprecedented. 1223 00:47:45,324 --> 00:47:47,618 I think this was the first case 1224 00:47:47,618 --> 00:47:49,161 Where we had actually a machine-gunning 1225 00:47:49,161 --> 00:47:51,663 In a public place in the middle of daylight, 1226 00:47:51,663 --> 00:47:53,415 Shoppers and passers-by around. 1227 00:47:53,415 --> 00:47:56,126 Of course after that, that happened frequently. 1228 00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:59,171 It was the beginning of a war, the cocaine wars down here. 1229 00:47:59,171 --> 00:48:00,631 Local homicide detectives 1230 00:48:00,631 --> 00:48:03,175 Say Miami is in the middle of a narcotics war 1231 00:48:03,175 --> 00:48:05,636 Between Colombian and Cuban drug dealers. 1232 00:48:05,636 --> 00:48:06,762 Miami was changing. 1233 00:48:06,762 --> 00:48:09,014 The Colombians were pushing the Cubans out. 1234 00:48:09,014 --> 00:48:12,017 There was a mad scramble for market share. 1235 00:48:12,017 --> 00:48:13,644 One of the reasons for the violence 1236 00:48:13,644 --> 00:48:15,938 Was because of the competing factions. 1237 00:48:15,938 --> 00:48:21,527 And the violence is what turned Miami into the cocaine cowboys. 1238 00:48:21,527 --> 00:48:22,903 As they call them, the cocaine cowboys. 1239 00:48:22,903 --> 00:48:24,863 They call them the cocaine cowboys. 1240 00:48:24,863 --> 00:48:29,409 This cocaine cowboy thing, it was all people from Medellin. 1241 00:48:29,409 --> 00:48:31,787 Woestimates are that as many as 100,000 1242 00:48:31,787 --> 00:48:33,121 Illegal Colombian aliens 1243 00:48:33,121 --> 00:48:36,166 Are living and working the drug trade in South Florida. 1244 00:48:36,166 --> 00:48:38,085 They would go after their target, 1245 00:48:38,085 --> 00:48:39,962 They'd kill the wife, they'd kill the maid. 1246 00:48:39,962 --> 00:48:41,296 "If there's a dog there, i'll kill the dog, 1247 00:48:41,296 --> 00:48:42,714 "If there's a bird there, i'll kill the bird, 1248 00:48:42,714 --> 00:48:44,049 "Goldfish there, i'll kill the goldfish." 1249 00:48:44,049 --> 00:48:46,760 If a girl scout rang the bell to sell cookies, 1250 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,345 They'd kill the girl scout too. 1251 00:48:48,345 --> 00:48:50,305 Poor people that were standing there and kids, 1252 00:48:50,305 --> 00:48:52,015 Anybody would just get shot dead. 1253 00:48:52,015 --> 00:48:54,184 They just would kill everybody in sight. 1254 00:48:54,184 --> 00:48:56,436 JesÚs hernandez, a submachine barrage 1255 00:48:56,436 --> 00:48:57,938 Tore him apart in his car 1256 00:48:57,938 --> 00:48:59,940 On a busy southwest street at noon. 1257 00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:01,191 Numerous machine-gunnings. 1258 00:49:01,191 --> 00:49:02,609 Rat-A-Tat! Tra! Tra! 1259 00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:03,819 Bra! And then i heard the... 1260 00:49:03,819 --> 00:49:06,113 Ba-Boom! Ba-Boom! Pa! Pa! Pa! 1261 00:49:06,113 --> 00:49:08,532 And the apartment was sprayed by machine-gun fire, 1262 00:49:08,532 --> 00:49:12,286 A trademark according to police of the cocaine cowboys. 1263 00:49:12,286 --> 00:49:14,830 On the highways, the turnpike, us 1, 1264 00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:16,748 In some cases residential streets. 1265 00:49:16,748 --> 00:49:18,458 The red mustang was heading north 1266 00:49:18,458 --> 00:49:20,419 On southwest 107th avenue. 1267 00:49:20,419 --> 00:49:24,047 The green sedan pulled alongside the driver, opening fire. 1268 00:49:24,047 --> 00:49:27,301 The tools of death, automatic weapons and shotguns. 1269 00:49:27,301 --> 00:49:29,386 That's the kind of stuff you see on television, 1270 00:49:29,386 --> 00:49:31,013 You don't see it in real life. 1271 00:49:31,013 --> 00:49:33,473 Witnesses described the scene as a war zone, 1272 00:49:33,473 --> 00:49:35,350 Miami vice without the cameras. 1273 00:49:35,350 --> 00:49:38,145 But this was real life, it was really going on. 1274 00:49:38,145 --> 00:49:39,521 You have five people killed here, 1275 00:49:39,521 --> 00:49:41,064 You have three people killed here. 1276 00:49:41,064 --> 00:49:43,275 A quiet residential area in kendall tonight 1277 00:49:43,275 --> 00:49:45,569 Became the scene of a grizzly mass murder. 1278 00:49:45,569 --> 00:49:48,113 Six bodies were found in a posh townhouse. 1279 00:49:48,113 --> 00:49:49,865 Miami police say this is the worst 1280 00:49:49,865 --> 00:49:52,326 Multiple homicide in the city's history. 1281 00:49:52,326 --> 00:49:54,828 Police believe the massacre was drug related. 1282 00:49:54,828 --> 00:49:59,416 We're talking about mass murders that in this day and age 1283 00:49:59,416 --> 00:50:02,085 Would get breaking news coverage 1284 00:50:02,085 --> 00:50:04,213 From all the cable tv stations. 1285 00:50:04,213 --> 00:50:07,758 We had that level of violence happening daily 1286 00:50:07,758 --> 00:50:11,720 And the local media, because of us just being saturated by it, 1287 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,889 Saying, "oh, it's just a double homicide. 1288 00:50:13,889 --> 00:50:15,557 "Oh, it's just a triple homicide." 1289 00:50:15,557 --> 00:50:17,434 It just became commonplace that we were going to be 1290 00:50:17,434 --> 00:50:19,520 Jumping from crime scene to crime scene. 1291 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,146 We have to have more than four or five people dead 1292 00:50:21,146 --> 00:50:22,815 To make a big deal out of it. 1293 00:50:22,815 --> 00:50:26,860 I mean, i can recall getting five murders in one night. 1294 00:50:26,860 --> 00:50:30,364 There have been eight murders in dade in just the past 48 hours. 1295 00:50:30,364 --> 00:50:31,698 You never knew when you were going to stumble over 1296 00:50:31,698 --> 00:50:32,658 Another body. 1297 00:50:32,658 --> 00:50:34,159 Miami kind of resembled 1298 00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:38,247 The st. Valentine's day massacre in chicago in the '20s. 1299 00:50:38,247 --> 00:50:40,999 Gangsters driving through the streets 1300 00:50:40,999 --> 00:50:42,960 Standing on their floorboards 1301 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,796 With their thompson .45 machine guns 1302 00:50:45,796 --> 00:50:49,007 Having gunfights in chicago in the '30s. 1303 00:50:49,007 --> 00:50:51,051 What i see going on here 1304 00:50:51,051 --> 00:50:53,762 Would make chicago in the days of prohibition 1305 00:50:53,762 --> 00:50:56,139 Look like a baptist sunday school picnic. 1306 00:50:56,139 --> 00:50:59,059 And one of the cops then even said, "it's like dodge city." 1307 00:50:59,059 --> 00:51:01,186 And it was like the wild wild west back then. 1308 00:51:01,186 --> 00:51:03,438 But of course he was wrong, because dodge city 1309 00:51:03,438 --> 00:51:05,732 Was never as violent as Miami was then. 1310 00:51:05,732 --> 00:51:09,111 Miami in the early '80s was considered 1311 00:51:09,111 --> 00:51:12,072 The most dangerous place on earth. 1312 00:51:12,072 --> 00:51:15,159 First detroit was murder city, then atlanta, now Miami. 1313 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,453 In 1976 we investigated 104 murders. 1314 00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:20,497 The first seven months of 1979 1315 00:51:20,497 --> 00:51:23,208 Have been called the bloodiest in South Florida's history. 1316 00:51:23,208 --> 00:51:26,795 There were 573 total homicides in 1980. 1317 00:51:26,795 --> 00:51:29,506 1981 will go down as another record year 1318 00:51:29,506 --> 00:51:31,341 For killings around greater Miami. 1319 00:51:31,341 --> 00:51:33,886 I think we're probably gonna see in excess of 600 homicides 1320 00:51:33,886 --> 00:51:35,304 By the end of the year. 1321 00:51:35,304 --> 00:51:37,806 As South Florida's drug trade prospers, 1322 00:51:37,806 --> 00:51:40,934 Dade's homicide rate will continue to climb. 1323 00:51:40,934 --> 00:51:43,270 Crime in Miami is up and tourism is down. 1324 00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:46,398 Despite the gloom and doom that people keep forecasting, 1325 00:51:46,398 --> 00:51:48,317 We are predicting that we will have 1326 00:51:48,317 --> 00:51:50,736 More foreign arrivals here in the greater Miami area 1327 00:51:50,736 --> 00:51:52,696 By the end of the summer than we did last year, 1328 00:51:52,696 --> 00:51:53,655 Which was our banner year. 1329 00:51:57,034 --> 00:51:59,453 For fidel Castro it was tantamount 1330 00:51:59,453 --> 00:52:01,163 To an act of genocide. 1331 00:52:01,163 --> 00:52:02,998 With one fell swoop, he rid Cuba 1332 00:52:02,998 --> 00:52:05,417 Of thousands and thousands of undesirables. 1333 00:52:05,417 --> 00:52:07,461 He emptied his prisons, he cleared the bums 1334 00:52:07,461 --> 00:52:10,631 Off the streets of Havana. Murderers, thieves, perverts, 1335 00:52:10,631 --> 00:52:13,342 Prostitutes, the retarded, crippled, the winos, 1336 00:52:13,342 --> 00:52:16,345 All were rounded up, sent to mariel harbor 1337 00:52:16,345 --> 00:52:18,680 And put aboard boats bound for Miami. 1338 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,183 Fidel Castro himself publicly stated 1339 00:52:21,183 --> 00:52:23,936 "I have flushed the toilets of Cuba on the United States." 1340 00:52:23,936 --> 00:52:25,229 And bragged about it. 1341 00:52:25,229 --> 00:52:28,982 One boat left mariel for the us every 5 minutes, 1342 00:52:28,982 --> 00:52:31,401 They came unhindered night and day. 1343 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,656 It became commonplace in South Florida. 1344 00:52:35,656 --> 00:52:37,533 Shots were fired, people were killed, 1345 00:52:37,533 --> 00:52:39,785 And much of the time the killers are people 1346 00:52:39,785 --> 00:52:42,788 Who came over from Cuba in the boatlift of 1980. 1347 00:52:42,788 --> 00:52:44,873 Consequently our homicide rate doubled that year. 1348 00:52:44,873 --> 00:52:47,334 It would be like if an invading army was dropped in here 1349 00:52:47,334 --> 00:52:50,337 To rape, pillage and burn in our town. 1350 00:52:50,337 --> 00:52:52,464 And that's exactly what they are doing. 1351 00:52:52,464 --> 00:52:55,926 Aggravated assaults, rapes, robberies. 1352 00:52:55,926 --> 00:52:58,554 In no time at all, we had bodies on the floor. 1353 00:52:58,554 --> 00:53:01,682 We had them stacked up. It was a disgrace. 1354 00:53:01,682 --> 00:53:03,016 There have been so many murders 1355 00:53:03,016 --> 00:53:04,518 Throughout greater Miami lately 1356 00:53:04,518 --> 00:53:06,937 That a special refrigerated truck is now being used 1357 00:53:06,937 --> 00:53:08,981 By the dade medical examiner's office 1358 00:53:08,981 --> 00:53:10,899 To store all the bodies. 1359 00:53:10,899 --> 00:53:12,693 They had arranged to rent or borrow it 1360 00:53:12,693 --> 00:53:16,071 From burger king whose headquarters is down here. 1361 00:53:16,071 --> 00:53:17,489 And i was very upset. 1362 00:53:17,489 --> 00:53:20,325 We have been invaded by aliens from outer space. 1363 00:53:20,325 --> 00:53:22,327 These guys are spaced out. 1364 00:53:22,327 --> 00:53:24,830 Nobody seemed to be concerned about what was happening 1365 00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:26,832 In the streets of Miami. So i opened my mouth. 1366 00:53:26,832 --> 00:53:30,169 They are psychologically totally not even human. 1367 00:53:30,169 --> 00:53:31,628 They're animals-- Not even animals, 1368 00:53:31,628 --> 00:53:33,297 That's an insult to the animal kingdom. 1369 00:53:33,297 --> 00:53:35,632 There was no law and order whatsoever. 1370 00:53:35,632 --> 00:53:37,593 We all carrying guns. My wife carry guns, 1371 00:53:37,593 --> 00:53:39,469 My two sons they carrying guns. 1372 00:53:39,469 --> 00:53:41,597 And you see i have a shotgun loaded in my house 1373 00:53:41,597 --> 00:53:43,599 And we're gonna shoot someone. 1374 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:44,641 I certainly never traveled 1375 00:53:44,641 --> 00:53:46,393 Anywhere in dade county without being armed. 1376 00:53:46,393 --> 00:53:48,270 There's...there's no question about that. 1377 00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:52,316 I always had a gun, i wouldn't sleep well without one, 1378 00:53:52,316 --> 00:53:53,901 Especially in the Miami of that time. 1379 00:53:53,901 --> 00:53:55,903 Edna buchanan on national television, 1380 00:53:55,903 --> 00:53:57,237 Saying she wears two guns 1381 00:53:57,237 --> 00:53:58,572 And everybody has to wear a gun. 1382 00:53:58,572 --> 00:54:00,908 Merrett steirheim, who was then county manager, 1383 00:54:00,908 --> 00:54:02,367 And all the commissioners were furious 1384 00:54:02,367 --> 00:54:04,244 So i was persona non grata for a while. 1385 00:54:04,244 --> 00:54:06,914 Miami was literally being torn apart at the seams. 1386 00:54:06,914 --> 00:54:08,707 But police help won't come soon 1387 00:54:08,707 --> 00:54:11,168 Because of a manpower shortage in the department. 1388 00:54:11,168 --> 00:54:13,754 Federal agencies readily admit they are crippled 1389 00:54:13,754 --> 00:54:16,507 By a lack of manpower, money and resources. 1390 00:54:16,507 --> 00:54:18,634 The city of Miami police department 1391 00:54:18,634 --> 00:54:22,679 Went on a blind hiring frenzy. 1392 00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:24,640 It's hoped more police on the street 1393 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,100 Will help to reverse this record-setting trend. 1394 00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:28,519 And they used to have standards. 1395 00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:30,103 You couldn't ever have used drugs 1396 00:54:30,103 --> 00:54:31,522 If you wanted to be a policeman. 1397 00:54:31,522 --> 00:54:32,689 So they reduced it to you couldn't have 1398 00:54:32,689 --> 00:54:34,775 Used drugs in the last ten years, 1399 00:54:34,775 --> 00:54:36,235 And that didn't work. So they said, 1400 00:54:36,235 --> 00:54:38,111 "Well, you couldn't have used drugs in the last 5 years." 1401 00:54:38,111 --> 00:54:39,780 They still couldn't recruit enough. 1402 00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:42,199 So they said you couldn't have used drugs in the last 2 years. 1403 00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:43,826 And finally it got to a point where, if you're not 1404 00:54:43,826 --> 00:54:46,245 Under the influence of drugs at the moment you're hired. 1405 00:54:46,245 --> 00:54:50,249 That resulted in the largest police corruption crisis 1406 00:54:50,249 --> 00:54:53,085 Since the serpico days up in New York. 1407 00:54:53,085 --> 00:54:55,963 And the entire academy class from that year 1408 00:54:55,963 --> 00:54:57,923 Later on went to jail or died. 1409 00:54:57,923 --> 00:55:00,092 This makes a total of three Miami officers 1410 00:55:00,092 --> 00:55:01,426 Arrested over the weekend. 1411 00:55:01,426 --> 00:55:03,679 Today's arrest came as seven other Miami officers 1412 00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,974 Went on trial accused of ripping off other cocaine dealers 1413 00:55:06,974 --> 00:55:08,767 And for dealing drugs themselves. 1414 00:55:08,767 --> 00:55:11,937 The so-called cocaine cops have been charged with conspiracy, 1415 00:55:11,937 --> 00:55:13,814 Drug trafficking and racketeering. 1416 00:55:13,814 --> 00:55:17,943 The tally, shocking-- 40 current or former Miami police officers 1417 00:55:17,943 --> 00:55:20,404 Arrested or suspended in the last 2 years. 1418 00:55:20,404 --> 00:55:23,240 16 suspended in just the last 2 weeks. 1419 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,575 And it is not over. 1420 00:55:24,575 --> 00:55:27,286 At least 30 more Miami cops will be suspended. 1421 00:55:27,286 --> 00:55:31,748 The rule of law completely broke down in South Florida. 1422 00:55:31,748 --> 00:55:33,292 We might as well just not even come into work 1423 00:55:33,292 --> 00:55:34,710 And just give the streets up. 1424 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:37,171 We truly are committed, and we are going to gain control 1425 00:55:37,171 --> 00:55:38,589 Of these streets once again. 1426 00:55:38,589 --> 00:55:41,383 The criminal justice system is not working here. 1427 00:55:41,383 --> 00:55:45,053 And i suggest a revisit of the whole idea. 1428 00:55:45,053 --> 00:55:49,099 Centac 26 went fully operational in december of '81. 1429 00:55:49,099 --> 00:55:51,727 There were 25 previous centac organizations 1430 00:55:51,727 --> 00:55:53,270 In different cities in the United States. 1431 00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:55,689 Centac stands for central tactical unit. 1432 00:55:55,689 --> 00:55:58,942 Our primary goal was to couple the homicide investigations 1433 00:55:58,942 --> 00:56:00,444 With drug investigations. 1434 00:56:00,444 --> 00:56:04,573 They had good connections with the D.E.A., with the F.B.I. 1435 00:56:04,573 --> 00:56:06,033 We were dealing with a kind of criminal 1436 00:56:06,033 --> 00:56:07,659 With whom we had not dealt before. 1437 00:56:07,659 --> 00:56:11,497 And so my mandate to my people was very simple. 1438 00:56:11,497 --> 00:56:14,917 Extraordinary times called for extraordinary measures. 1439 00:56:14,917 --> 00:56:17,127 You would use whatever method you could 1440 00:56:17,127 --> 00:56:19,713 To take someone out of the picture or off the street. 1441 00:56:19,713 --> 00:56:22,549 We're gonna get rid of them either by putting them in jail 1442 00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:24,593 Or we were going to kill them. 1443 00:56:24,593 --> 00:56:25,886 It was a unit that was meant to be 1444 00:56:25,886 --> 00:56:27,304 More proactive than reactive. 1445 00:56:27,304 --> 00:56:29,598 It was just a different way of doing police work 1446 00:56:29,598 --> 00:56:31,058 And it was called for at the time 1447 00:56:31,058 --> 00:56:32,768 Because of the nature of the criminal 1448 00:56:32,768 --> 00:56:34,895 With both the Colombians and the Cuban criminals 1449 00:56:34,895 --> 00:56:36,230 Who came from mariel. 1450 00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:38,857 Miami seems to have become paradise lost. 1451 00:56:38,857 --> 00:56:41,568 In the fall-winter of 1981, 1452 00:56:41,568 --> 00:56:45,906 The article paradise lost? Came out in time magazine. 1453 00:56:45,906 --> 00:56:48,867 Time magazine crushed Miami. 1454 00:56:48,867 --> 00:56:50,536 The 9-page article inside 1455 00:56:50,536 --> 00:56:52,037 Focused primarily on Miami 1456 00:56:52,037 --> 00:56:55,457 As the troubled center of drugs, crime and refugees. 1457 00:56:55,457 --> 00:56:57,709 The politicians in Miami, dade county, Miami, 1458 00:56:57,709 --> 00:56:59,795 Went crazy when they saw that. 1459 00:56:59,795 --> 00:57:01,171 That's the number one question that's asked, 1460 00:57:01,171 --> 00:57:02,965 "Is it safe to come to Miami beach?" 1461 00:57:02,965 --> 00:57:04,842 And what do you tell them? And again i'm saying to them, 1462 00:57:04,842 --> 00:57:07,052 Unless you're coming down here to traffic in drugs, 1463 00:57:07,052 --> 00:57:09,388 We are as safe here as you would be 1464 00:57:09,388 --> 00:57:11,723 Anywhere else in the world including your own home town. 1465 00:57:11,723 --> 00:57:13,809 We were torn between two worlds. 1466 00:57:13,809 --> 00:57:16,937 Fun and sun capital... 1467 00:57:16,937 --> 00:57:17,938 Murder capital. 1468 00:57:17,938 --> 00:57:19,731 That was the gist of that article-- 1469 00:57:19,731 --> 00:57:21,400 The criminals were winning 1470 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,110 And we were losing. 1471 00:57:28,657 --> 00:57:30,367 I was born in cali, Colombia. 1472 00:57:30,367 --> 00:57:33,245 Arrived in the United States, 1969. 1473 00:57:33,245 --> 00:57:35,747 I grew up in chicago, i was a mechanic with my dad. 1474 00:57:35,747 --> 00:57:37,708 I worked for general motors, that's where i learned 1475 00:57:37,708 --> 00:57:39,209 How to break into cars. 1476 00:57:39,209 --> 00:57:41,211 Well, when i was growing up i was known as a car thief, 1477 00:57:41,211 --> 00:57:42,546 One of the biggest car thieves in chicago, 1478 00:57:42,546 --> 00:57:44,548 And then after the '80s i was... 1479 00:57:44,548 --> 00:57:47,092 I was known to be an assassin for the cartel. 1480 00:58:06,445 --> 00:58:07,821 I just got with a group of guys 1481 00:58:07,821 --> 00:58:10,157 And we started stealing cars to sell them to the chop shops, 1482 00:58:10,157 --> 00:58:12,034 Between $200 and $500 a car. 1483 00:58:12,034 --> 00:58:14,786 We used to steal 5, 6 a night, there was three of us. 1484 00:58:14,786 --> 00:58:17,539 So we were making good money. Better than working for my dad. 1485 00:58:17,539 --> 00:58:19,666 I come from a good family, i had everything i needed. 1486 00:58:19,666 --> 00:58:21,418 You know, i didn't need to go steal cars, 1487 00:58:21,418 --> 00:58:23,587 But it was just the money and the excitement 1488 00:58:23,587 --> 00:58:25,255 Of going and breaking into somebody's car 1489 00:58:25,255 --> 00:58:27,841 And selling it, you know. 1490 00:58:32,221 --> 00:58:34,097 Tropicana restaurant. We used to 1491 00:58:34,097 --> 00:58:35,849 Hang out there because of the pay phone. 1492 00:58:35,849 --> 00:58:37,184 That's where the junkers used to call us. 1493 00:58:37,184 --> 00:58:38,727 We used it as our office. 1494 00:58:38,727 --> 00:58:41,021 And i had a specific spot where i used to park my car 1495 00:58:41,021 --> 00:58:42,564 And no one would park there. 1496 00:58:42,564 --> 00:58:45,818 One morning i got there, there was a car parked in front, 1497 00:58:45,818 --> 00:58:47,194 So i asked the owner of the restaurant, 1498 00:58:47,194 --> 00:58:48,987 "Whose car is that?" He said, "it belongs to 1499 00:58:48,987 --> 00:58:51,073 "Some big shot from Miami." 1500 00:58:51,073 --> 00:58:53,492 So i told him i didn't give a fuck who it belonged to. 1501 00:58:53,492 --> 00:58:56,662 And i wanted the car moved so i took it. 1502 00:58:56,662 --> 00:58:59,164 The next morning, we were in the restaurant and... 1503 00:58:59,164 --> 00:59:01,792 Three Colombians came in and he asked who was riverita. 1504 00:59:01,792 --> 00:59:03,669 He said, "i'm looking for him 'cause he stole my car." 1505 00:59:03,669 --> 00:59:05,587 So i said, "i'm the guy you're looking for, i'm Rivi." 1506 00:59:05,587 --> 00:59:07,923 He says, "you stole my car and i want my car back." 1507 00:59:07,923 --> 00:59:09,216 I say, "you can't have it back unless you give me 1508 00:59:09,216 --> 00:59:10,759 "$500 for it because it belongs to me now 1509 00:59:10,759 --> 00:59:13,053 "Because you parked where you're not supposed to park." 1510 00:59:13,053 --> 00:59:14,596 He started laughing and he said, 1511 00:59:14,596 --> 00:59:16,557 "You've got some balls, you know that?" 1512 00:59:16,557 --> 00:59:18,642 I said, "i've heard that before." 1513 00:59:18,642 --> 00:59:19,977 And he says, "so what are we gonna do?" 1514 00:59:19,977 --> 00:59:23,021 I say "simple, $500, you get your car back." 1515 00:59:23,021 --> 00:59:26,358 He paid me, got his keys out and opened the trunk. 1516 00:59:29,778 --> 00:59:31,405 It was full of guns, used guns, 1517 00:59:31,405 --> 00:59:33,657 Revolvers, automatic pistols, 1518 00:59:33,657 --> 00:59:35,534 And he asked me if i've ever been to Florida. 1519 00:59:35,534 --> 00:59:37,870 And i said "yeah, with my dad." "Got any family in Florida?" 1520 00:59:37,870 --> 00:59:40,414 I said, "yeah, i got about six of 'em." 1521 00:59:40,414 --> 00:59:42,040 He asked me if i could drive him to Miami. 1522 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,376 I said, "sure. Will you pay?" He said, yeah, 1523 00:59:44,376 --> 00:59:46,170 That he would pay me $5,000. 1524 00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:47,713 I told him, "yeah, no problem." 1525 00:59:49,298 --> 00:59:52,176 When i got to Miami, he said, "look i got some things going, 1526 00:59:52,176 --> 00:59:54,052 "Maybe you guys could work for me 1527 00:59:54,052 --> 00:59:56,597 "And make some more money in Miami, if you stay in Miami." 1528 00:59:56,597 --> 00:59:58,140 I told him, "what?" He said, "just delivering dope 1529 00:59:58,140 --> 00:59:59,516 "And picking up money... 1530 00:59:59,516 --> 01:00:01,518 "Maybe once in a while pushing marijuana." 1531 01:00:01,518 --> 01:00:04,188 The money was good, he was paying me $1,000 a day. 1532 01:00:04,188 --> 01:00:06,482 That was the first time that we were working 1533 01:00:06,482 --> 01:00:09,276 With the people that were in the drug business. 1534 01:00:09,276 --> 01:00:11,612 But i had no plans to start killing people. 1535 01:00:11,612 --> 01:00:14,490 It turned out that way later but... 1536 01:00:14,490 --> 01:00:16,283 A couple of weeks went by and we were at jacaranda, 1537 01:00:16,283 --> 01:00:20,412 A Colombian nightclub in Miami. 1538 01:00:20,412 --> 01:00:23,665 You know, flaco came in, "are you our drug carrier?" 1539 01:00:23,665 --> 01:00:25,125 He said, "look, you need to get out of here, 1540 01:00:25,125 --> 01:00:26,418 "Because we're fixed to do a hit here." 1541 01:00:26,418 --> 01:00:28,170 "Those people on your right of the table, 1542 01:00:28,170 --> 01:00:31,798 "Those six Colombians laughing and drinking fire water, 1543 01:00:31,798 --> 01:00:34,009 "We're gonna spray that table, the whole table." 1544 01:00:34,009 --> 01:00:35,969 And i said, "all right. Appreciate it, you know." 1545 01:00:35,969 --> 01:00:37,679 I said, "let me get my guys." And i told everyone 1546 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,849 Except Vanegas, Negro, he was in the bathroom snorting coke. 1547 01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:42,976 We called him Negro 'cause he was real dark. 1548 01:00:42,976 --> 01:00:44,812 He was not black, he was just a dark Colombian. 1549 01:00:44,812 --> 01:00:46,605 So i went back to the bathroom and i told him. 1550 01:00:46,605 --> 01:00:48,315 I said, "we gotta go, there's gonna be a shootout here." 1551 01:00:48,315 --> 01:00:50,692 But i didn't tell him who. 1552 01:00:50,692 --> 01:00:53,612 He says, "just give me a minute." I walked out. 1553 01:00:53,612 --> 01:00:55,948 Well, during that time, Vanegas had stopped at the same table 1554 01:00:55,948 --> 01:00:57,366 And told the guys to leave 1555 01:00:57,366 --> 01:00:59,117 Because there was going to be a shootout. 1556 01:00:59,117 --> 01:01:01,620 So he screwed up the hit. It was just an accident. 1557 01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:02,913 He knew one of the guys at the table 1558 01:01:02,913 --> 01:01:04,456 So he was just looking out for his friend. 1559 01:01:04,456 --> 01:01:06,166 I was outside, Vanegas came out. 1560 01:01:06,166 --> 01:01:09,503 And behind Vanegas everybody started pushing and shoving out. 1561 01:01:09,503 --> 01:01:11,672 Flaco came in his motorcycle, he was pretty pissed off. 1562 01:01:11,672 --> 01:01:13,090 He said, "you guys fucked everything up 1563 01:01:13,090 --> 01:01:14,216 "And i should have never have told you." 1564 01:01:14,216 --> 01:01:15,592 I said, "what are you talking about?" 1565 01:01:15,592 --> 01:01:17,719 "One of you guys tipped them off 'cause they didn't know 1566 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:19,054 "And the only person that knew we were gonna do the hit 1567 01:01:19,054 --> 01:01:21,473 "Was you guys. You." 1568 01:01:21,473 --> 01:01:24,017 I said, "yeah, man, i just told my guys to leave." 1569 01:01:24,017 --> 01:01:26,019 I said, "hold up, let me talk to Negro." 1570 01:01:26,019 --> 01:01:27,396 I said, "did you tell them people?" And he said, 1571 01:01:27,396 --> 01:01:29,398 "I told one of the guys there was gonna be a shooting 1572 01:01:29,398 --> 01:01:32,151 "Like you told me but i didn't know it was their table." 1573 01:01:32,151 --> 01:01:34,069 I said, "we in deep shit, you know." 1574 01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:35,737 I went back and i said, "yeah, we did it, man, 1575 01:01:35,737 --> 01:01:37,114 "But, you know, it was an accident." 1576 01:01:37,114 --> 01:01:38,615 He says, "well, you're in trouble, man, 1577 01:01:38,615 --> 01:01:41,160 "You're in trouble with my boss. And the boss wants to meet you." 1578 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,495 "Tell your boss that it was an accident." 1579 01:01:43,495 --> 01:01:45,038 He said, "they don't wanna hear it, man, 1580 01:01:45,038 --> 01:01:46,957 "Just you," he said. 1581 01:01:46,957 --> 01:01:48,292 "The boss wants to meet just you. 1582 01:01:48,292 --> 01:01:52,254 "Either that or you're in trouble." 1583 01:01:52,254 --> 01:01:54,548 So we get in the car, on the way i'm telling him, 1584 01:01:54,548 --> 01:01:56,216 I said, "these people aren't gonna kill me, are they?" 1585 01:01:56,216 --> 01:01:58,802 He says, "i don't know, i don't make no guarantees, man." 1586 01:02:00,929 --> 01:02:02,264 We had fucked something up, i know, 1587 01:02:02,264 --> 01:02:04,308 I mean, they're talking about killing six people. 1588 01:02:04,308 --> 01:02:06,727 So you know they ain't no... no pussies here. 1589 01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:10,481 He asked me if i had a gun. I said, "yeah, man. I got a gun." 1590 01:02:10,481 --> 01:02:11,899 But i had two. 1591 01:02:11,899 --> 01:02:14,985 I had a backup gun in my left leg. 1592 01:02:14,985 --> 01:02:17,404 So we drove to a holiday inn on i95. 1593 01:02:17,404 --> 01:02:20,616 I looked and four guys got out of the car. 1594 01:02:20,616 --> 01:02:22,034 I said, "is that them?" He said, "that's them, 1595 01:02:22,034 --> 01:02:23,535 "That's part of them, there are more to your left." 1596 01:02:23,535 --> 01:02:25,245 And i looked and there was four other guys on the other side. 1597 01:02:25,245 --> 01:02:28,081 I approached the older guy and he said, 1598 01:02:28,081 --> 01:02:30,167 "Are you Rivi?" I said, "yes, i am." 1599 01:02:30,167 --> 01:02:32,878 "Come with me." Got into the back of a car 1600 01:02:32,878 --> 01:02:36,632 And in the back seat was a lady. 1601 01:02:36,632 --> 01:02:38,383 She was calling the shots. 1602 01:02:38,383 --> 01:02:40,385 Whatever she'd say everybody would just keep quiet, 1603 01:02:40,385 --> 01:02:41,637 Nobody gave an opinion, 1604 01:02:41,637 --> 01:02:42,971 They were just, whatever she was saying. 1605 01:02:42,971 --> 01:02:44,681 And her husband was in the front seat. 1606 01:02:44,681 --> 01:02:46,850 He didn't open his mouth. He's not asking me any questions, 1607 01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:48,936 Just her, telling me what to do. 1608 01:02:48,936 --> 01:02:50,521 She's the one with the power there. 1609 01:02:50,521 --> 01:02:53,106 I'm getting this lip from a woman, you know, 1610 01:02:53,106 --> 01:02:56,944 And i don't--I oughta had like, like say you go fuck yourself, 1611 01:02:56,944 --> 01:02:58,362 And i thought, "no, no." 1612 01:02:58,362 --> 01:02:59,822 And she asked me, she said, "you the one that fucked up 1613 01:02:59,822 --> 01:03:03,200 "The hit last night?" And i said, "in a way i did." 1614 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,495 She told me, "i've been after these people for months 1615 01:03:06,495 --> 01:03:09,248 "And this is the first time that we got sight of them." 1616 01:03:09,248 --> 01:03:11,083 And i...i had fucked it up. 1617 01:03:11,083 --> 01:03:16,046 She says, "well, i'll tell you what, you find them, 1618 01:03:16,046 --> 01:03:19,383 "And you kill them for me, then we call it even." 1619 01:03:19,383 --> 01:03:21,343 "I'm interested in the two brothers." 1620 01:03:21,343 --> 01:03:22,636 The other four we were just gonna hit 1621 01:03:22,636 --> 01:03:24,304 Because they were sitting on the table. 1622 01:03:24,304 --> 01:03:26,473 I said, "you were gonna kill 4 other people just to kill 2?" 1623 01:03:26,473 --> 01:03:28,016 She said, "that's the way i do my things, 1624 01:03:28,016 --> 01:03:31,812 "Spray the whole table. Get everybody out of the way." 1625 01:03:33,814 --> 01:03:35,482 That surprised me, you know. 1626 01:03:35,482 --> 01:03:38,694 I mean, she was talking to murder like... 1627 01:03:38,694 --> 01:03:40,362 So i told her, i said, "just give me a week, 1628 01:03:40,362 --> 01:03:41,780 "I find these people." 1629 01:03:41,780 --> 01:03:43,949 And she says, "when you do, you call me. 1630 01:03:43,949 --> 01:03:46,994 "I'll give you $50,000 for each." 1631 01:03:46,994 --> 01:03:48,787 So on my way back i started asking flaco questions. 1632 01:03:48,787 --> 01:03:50,831 I asked him, "what's up with this lady, man?" 1633 01:03:50,831 --> 01:03:53,417 He says, "she's the godmother." 1634 01:03:53,417 --> 01:03:55,752 I say, "you wanna fill me out a little about the godmother?" 1635 01:03:55,752 --> 01:03:58,380 And he says, "i've known her since Colombia... 1636 01:03:58,380 --> 01:04:00,132 "And she's deadly. 1637 01:04:00,132 --> 01:04:03,010 "If you don't deliver, she's gonna put a hit on you." 1638 01:04:03,010 --> 01:04:06,138 She was the biggest back then. 1639 01:04:06,138 --> 01:04:09,141 She was the godmother of the cocaine trade. 1640 01:04:09,141 --> 01:04:10,559 So when we got back to the hotel, 1641 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:11,977 I told the guys what happened 1642 01:04:11,977 --> 01:04:13,645 And Vanegas was there and i said, 1643 01:04:13,645 --> 01:04:15,355 "Look, we in deep shit with this lady. 1644 01:04:15,355 --> 01:04:18,525 "If we don't find these people, we're gonna have to haul ass 1645 01:04:18,525 --> 01:04:19,568 "'Cause they're gonna come after-- 1646 01:04:19,568 --> 01:04:21,361 "They told me in so many words." Vanegas... 1647 01:04:21,361 --> 01:04:24,031 He says, "yeah, i could get hold of one, the older one." 1648 01:04:24,031 --> 01:04:25,866 I said, "that's all we need, one." 1649 01:04:25,866 --> 01:04:27,201 Through him we get the other one. 1650 01:04:27,201 --> 01:04:30,412 I said, "do this, just go to a payphone and beep 1651 01:04:30,412 --> 01:04:32,164 "And set up a meeting for tonight. 1652 01:04:32,164 --> 01:04:33,499 "And we're gonna kidnap his ass 1653 01:04:33,499 --> 01:04:35,626 "And we're gonna turn him over to these other people." 1654 01:04:35,626 --> 01:04:40,214 We beeped, no answer. Second day we beeped, no answer. 1655 01:04:40,214 --> 01:04:44,801 Third day, i was losing my hopes, no answer. 1656 01:04:44,801 --> 01:04:47,012 Fourth day, he beeped and the guy answered. 1657 01:04:47,012 --> 01:04:49,264 He set up a meeting at the ramada inn 1658 01:04:49,264 --> 01:04:50,849 We told him that we had some guns 1659 01:04:50,849 --> 01:04:52,351 And explosives to sell. 1660 01:04:52,351 --> 01:04:54,144 But the problem was, when he arrived at the hotel, 1661 01:04:54,144 --> 01:04:56,647 He arrived with his kid, it was a 15-year-old boy. 1662 01:04:56,647 --> 01:04:58,857 We weren't counting on no kid. 1663 01:04:58,857 --> 01:05:02,277 So Vanegas, he made a smart move and took the kid to the car. 1664 01:05:02,277 --> 01:05:04,238 Otherwise we had to take the kid with us too. 1665 01:05:04,238 --> 01:05:05,781 He's talking, laughing with Vanegas, 1666 01:05:05,781 --> 01:05:08,408 I'm behind a tree, and when Vanegas opened the trunk, 1667 01:05:08,408 --> 01:05:10,536 I came out from behind the tree, i put a gun in his ribs 1668 01:05:10,536 --> 01:05:12,371 And i said, "i've been looking for you." 1669 01:05:12,371 --> 01:05:13,872 So the guy says, "i owe you nothing." 1670 01:05:13,872 --> 01:05:15,707 I say, "no, you don't. Someone else needs you. 1671 01:05:15,707 --> 01:05:17,876 "There's a lady looking for you. 1672 01:05:17,876 --> 01:05:19,586 "Her name is Griselda Blanco." 1673 01:05:19,586 --> 01:05:23,006 And he said, "that fat bitch, i don't owe her nothing." 1674 01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:26,343 So Cumbamba kicked him in the face and knocked his teeth out. 1675 01:05:26,343 --> 01:05:28,345 He said, "more respect for the lady. 1676 01:05:28,345 --> 01:05:31,265 "You tell her when you see her, we work for her." 1677 01:05:31,265 --> 01:05:33,392 He turned white. He said, "you're gonna meet her 1678 01:05:33,392 --> 01:05:36,603 "In a couple of hours." He started shaking. 1679 01:05:36,603 --> 01:05:40,065 So an hour later they arrived, they took him. 1680 01:05:40,065 --> 01:05:43,485 The next day i'm at home, at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. 1681 01:05:43,485 --> 01:05:45,028 She comes to my house, 1682 01:05:45,028 --> 01:05:47,281 She just comes in like she owned the house. 1683 01:05:47,281 --> 01:05:48,740 And my wife was frying fish. 1684 01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:50,576 She said, "oh, i love fish." 1685 01:05:50,576 --> 01:05:53,787 She's just eating, telling me how they killed this guy-- 1686 01:05:53,787 --> 01:05:55,330 They chopped him up into little pieces-- 1687 01:05:55,330 --> 01:05:56,748 While we were having dinner. 1688 01:05:56,748 --> 01:05:58,250 I said, "what are you talking about? You shot this guy?" 1689 01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:59,543 She said, "yeah, i shot him... 1690 01:05:59,543 --> 01:06:01,712 "And Cumbamba cut him up 1691 01:06:01,712 --> 01:06:05,549 "And put him in a small box and wrapped him up like a gift 1692 01:06:05,549 --> 01:06:07,301 "With a little bow and tag and we left it 1693 01:06:07,301 --> 01:06:09,845 "A couple of blocks from here on the turnpike." 1694 01:06:09,845 --> 01:06:11,555 I said, "in my neighborhood?" She said "yeah, 1695 01:06:11,555 --> 01:06:14,349 "We were heading south to come and visit you 1696 01:06:14,349 --> 01:06:16,477 "So we figured it was a good spot to drop him off." 1697 01:06:19,396 --> 01:06:21,023 I just looked at her and said, "you're joking, right?" 1698 01:06:21,023 --> 01:06:22,524 She says, "no, for real." 1699 01:06:22,524 --> 01:06:23,984 I said, "you guys usually do this?" 1700 01:06:23,984 --> 01:06:25,486 She said yeah, she likes it. 1701 01:06:25,486 --> 01:06:28,697 She likes us to cut people up and just throw them like that. 1702 01:06:32,159 --> 01:06:34,786 Griselda Blanco, she grew up with her mother 1703 01:06:34,786 --> 01:06:38,290 In Medellin, very poor. She was a prostitute. 1704 01:06:38,290 --> 01:06:40,626 She started her criminal life as a pickpocket, 1705 01:06:40,626 --> 01:06:42,169 Then they moved to New York. 1706 01:06:42,169 --> 01:06:44,129 That's when they got into the drug business. 1707 01:06:44,129 --> 01:06:49,551 The first time i heard her name was the latter part of 1973. 1708 01:06:49,551 --> 01:06:51,512 From the intelligence that we were given, 1709 01:06:51,512 --> 01:06:53,764 She did figure as an emerging threat 1710 01:06:53,764 --> 01:06:54,890 To the United States. 1711 01:06:54,890 --> 01:06:56,183 Her business grew. 1712 01:06:56,183 --> 01:06:58,477 She was a significant Colombian and cocaine trafficker. 1713 01:06:58,477 --> 01:07:01,271 Rafa and Griselda, they were childhood friends. 1714 01:07:01,271 --> 01:07:03,190 So Rafa gave everything to her. 1715 01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:05,609 In the mid-'70s Griselda got charged 1716 01:07:05,609 --> 01:07:08,320 On a very large cocaine case in New York, 1717 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:09,738 Probably the largest at the time, 1718 01:07:09,738 --> 01:07:11,907 And she fled after that and she took off. 1719 01:07:11,907 --> 01:07:14,785 There was a fugitive warrant issued for her. 1720 01:07:14,785 --> 01:07:18,121 I lost track of her from the time of the indictment 1721 01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:21,500 Up until i was transferred to Miami. 1722 01:07:23,335 --> 01:07:25,671 Well, we can't say for sure exactly when she was in Miami, 1723 01:07:25,671 --> 01:07:27,965 Probably in '78, and we didn't know where, obviously, 1724 01:07:27,965 --> 01:07:29,466 'Cause she was a fugitive. 1725 01:07:29,466 --> 01:07:31,134 But we knew she was a multi-kilo dealer. 1726 01:07:31,134 --> 01:07:35,430 In the very, very latino culture it's not usual 1727 01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:38,892 That a woman would be the head of her own organization, 1728 01:07:38,892 --> 01:07:43,689 So i figured that she had to have been one mean lady. 1729 01:07:43,689 --> 01:07:46,108 Griselda had to prove to all the other Colombians 1730 01:07:46,108 --> 01:07:47,734 That she was worthy to keep 1731 01:07:47,734 --> 01:07:49,194 The trade that they gave her. 1732 01:07:49,194 --> 01:07:52,447 And she liked people to fear her, and they did. 1733 01:07:52,447 --> 01:07:54,032 People were so afraid of her, 1734 01:07:54,032 --> 01:07:56,743 Her reputation preceded her wherever she went. 1735 01:07:56,743 --> 01:08:00,205 I made a mistake of not knowing exactly who she was at first. 1736 01:08:00,205 --> 01:08:03,667 I met her at Rafa's apartment, and i loved latin women, 1737 01:08:03,667 --> 01:08:05,210 So i went to Rafa and i said, "what's her story?" 1738 01:08:05,210 --> 01:08:06,587 And Rafa said, "oh, no. 1739 01:08:06,587 --> 01:08:08,005 "You're not getting involved with her." 1740 01:08:08,005 --> 01:08:09,506 And i said, "why not?" And he says, 1741 01:08:09,506 --> 01:08:11,967 "If you fuck this woman, i'm gonna have to kill her." 1742 01:08:11,967 --> 01:08:13,302 So i went to Max and i said to Max, 1743 01:08:13,302 --> 01:08:14,636 "What's the woman's story?" 1744 01:08:14,636 --> 01:08:16,472 And Max started telling me these stories. 1745 01:08:16,472 --> 01:08:17,848 She was a hypochondriac. 1746 01:08:17,848 --> 01:08:19,308 She was pretty decadent. 1747 01:08:19,308 --> 01:08:20,601 She'd get a brand-new Ferrari 1748 01:08:20,601 --> 01:08:22,269 For christmas, it was $80,000. 1749 01:08:22,269 --> 01:08:24,062 She collected wealth. 1750 01:08:24,062 --> 01:08:26,398 Her christmas presents were always like expensive. 1751 01:08:26,398 --> 01:08:28,150 Eva perÓn's ring... 1752 01:08:28,150 --> 01:08:29,443 And jewelry and stuff. 1753 01:08:29,443 --> 01:08:31,778 A bad freebase cocaine user and abuser. 1754 01:08:31,778 --> 01:08:32,946 2nd a lesbian as well. 1755 01:08:32,946 --> 01:08:33,739 Paranoid. 1756 01:08:33,739 --> 01:08:34,781 2nd beyond the movies. 1757 01:08:34,781 --> 01:08:36,450 I mean, i don't even think Miami vice 1758 01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:37,993 Would be this flamboyant. 1759 01:08:37,993 --> 01:08:40,204 Of course she had the three older sons. 1760 01:08:48,879 --> 01:08:52,925 Her last son, they named him Michael Corleone Sepulveda, 1761 01:08:52,925 --> 01:08:55,719 Which is fucking incredible. 1762 01:08:55,719 --> 01:08:57,137 As far as her murders go, my god! 1763 01:08:57,137 --> 01:08:59,473 They called her the black widow because she had killed 1764 01:08:59,473 --> 01:09:01,517 A couple of her husbands, or had them killed. 1765 01:09:01,517 --> 01:09:03,185 This woman literally slits men's throats 1766 01:09:03,185 --> 01:09:04,436 After she sleeps with them. 1767 01:09:04,436 --> 01:09:06,104 I don't know how many times she did that. 1768 01:09:06,104 --> 01:09:08,148 "She's not gonna do that 'cause Rafa's gonna tell her 1769 01:09:08,148 --> 01:09:09,691 "That, you know--" And Max was like, 1770 01:09:09,691 --> 01:09:10,984 "It don't make a difference." 1771 01:09:10,984 --> 01:09:13,487 She could be bugged out one night and you sleep with her 1772 01:09:13,487 --> 01:09:15,322 And she'll slit your throat and what's gonna happen here? 1773 01:09:15,322 --> 01:09:16,865 There's gonna be a war. 1774 01:09:16,865 --> 01:09:18,450 Griselda was worse than any of the men 1775 01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:19,910 That were involved in this. 1776 01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:22,329 The first homicide of note 1777 01:09:22,329 --> 01:09:24,248 That she's involved with is dadeland. 1778 01:09:24,248 --> 01:09:25,791 That's when Griselda's crew 1779 01:09:25,791 --> 01:09:28,085 Walked into the liquor store and blew his head off. 1780 01:09:28,085 --> 01:09:29,586 Well, half his head off. 1781 01:09:29,586 --> 01:09:32,673 Which of course is july 1979. 1782 01:09:32,673 --> 01:09:34,591 I guess he was dying for a drink. 1783 01:09:34,591 --> 01:09:36,218 And that's what established her as one of 1784 01:09:36,218 --> 01:09:39,054 The most violent traffickers known. 1785 01:09:39,054 --> 01:09:42,015 That's what really started right there, the cocaine wars. 1786 01:09:42,015 --> 01:09:45,185 As we started seeing more homicides, 1787 01:09:45,185 --> 01:09:49,064 The role of Griselda Blanco became very, very prominent 1788 01:09:49,064 --> 01:09:51,358 In what we were calling the cocaine wars. 1789 01:09:51,358 --> 01:09:53,944 She killed a lot of Colombians and a lot of Cubans 1790 01:09:53,944 --> 01:09:56,029 To get her position in life. 1791 01:09:56,029 --> 01:09:57,281 Wherever they go 1792 01:09:57,281 --> 01:10:00,242 They take their special brand of viciousness with them. 1793 01:10:00,242 --> 01:10:03,162 This woman known as la madrina, the godmother. 1794 01:10:03,162 --> 01:10:06,874 She was responsible for the majority of the homicides 1795 01:10:06,874 --> 01:10:10,043 That occurred in South Florida during those days. 1796 01:10:10,043 --> 01:10:14,423 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, those were the years 1797 01:10:14,423 --> 01:10:17,217 Where she did her killing in dade county. 1798 01:10:20,929 --> 01:10:27,561 Griselda Blanco, she was really, uh...an angel of death. 1799 01:10:27,561 --> 01:10:29,605 I don't know that any other organization 1800 01:10:29,605 --> 01:10:31,773 Can be attributed to the number of homicides 1801 01:10:31,773 --> 01:10:35,027 That go back to Griselda, i just don't. 1802 01:10:35,027 --> 01:10:36,862 And it could be over something as simple as... 1803 01:10:36,862 --> 01:10:38,572 If she was in a restaurant the night before. 1804 01:10:38,572 --> 01:10:40,574 Like when we went to the peroz on the beach. 1805 01:10:40,574 --> 01:10:42,034 She could be eating at a table 1806 01:10:42,034 --> 01:10:43,535 And the owner gave her a problem or something. 1807 01:10:43,535 --> 01:10:45,662 There was this big guy there, started running his mouth. 1808 01:10:45,662 --> 01:10:47,039 And he got smart with her too. 1809 01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:48,499 She decided, you know, "fuck this owner, 1810 01:10:48,499 --> 01:10:49,833 "I'm going to destroy his business." 1811 01:10:49,833 --> 01:10:52,336 And so we left. 1812 01:10:52,336 --> 01:10:53,837 And these guys would come on motorcycles, 1813 01:10:53,837 --> 01:10:55,631 Then they'd turn around on the back of the motorcycle, 1814 01:10:55,631 --> 01:10:58,175 And just spray everybody waiting on line 1815 01:10:58,175 --> 01:10:59,593 To get into the place and everything. 1816 01:10:59,593 --> 01:11:01,178 And then machine-gun his ass down 1817 01:11:01,178 --> 01:11:02,554 Right in front of the door. 1818 01:11:02,554 --> 01:11:03,597 Yeah, they were trying to pin it on me... 1819 01:11:03,597 --> 01:11:05,390 But i was out of town. 1820 01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:09,478 So he must have messed with the wrong people. 1821 01:11:09,478 --> 01:11:11,939 Riverita became Griselda's main enforcer. 1822 01:11:11,939 --> 01:11:13,732 She was always with me, and three or four guys. 1823 01:11:13,732 --> 01:11:16,360 She had an army with her. A rogue cast of characters. 1824 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,739 Her crew was...almost like you would see in the movies. 1825 01:11:20,739 --> 01:11:22,533 She had Paco. Paco Sepulveda. 1826 01:11:22,533 --> 01:11:26,119 Diego Sepulveda. Toto. Carlos Vanegas. Alonso Ayala. 1827 01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:27,955 Just ragtag guys, you know, 1828 01:11:27,955 --> 01:11:29,373 Like the gang that couldn't shoot straight. 1829 01:11:29,373 --> 01:11:31,583 Uber, Guillermo, Velasquez, 1830 01:11:31,583 --> 01:11:33,418 Only they actually could hit people. 1831 01:11:33,418 --> 01:11:34,419 Cumbamba. 1832 01:11:34,419 --> 01:11:36,213 Monteco, Diego Escobar. 1833 01:11:36,213 --> 01:11:37,214 Oscar Mario. 1834 01:11:37,214 --> 01:11:38,882 Jaime Bravo. 1835 01:11:38,882 --> 01:11:40,968 They were mainly enforcers- slash-hit men. 1836 01:11:40,968 --> 01:11:42,344 This is how they made a living. 1837 01:11:42,344 --> 01:11:43,846 Some people are pharmacists, 1838 01:11:43,846 --> 01:11:46,140 And others are garbage men and these are killers. 1839 01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:47,683 And that's all that they did. 1840 01:11:47,683 --> 01:11:50,602 And Chucho Castro was her chief enforcer. 1841 01:11:50,602 --> 01:11:52,437 To me he was one of the best enforcers 1842 01:11:52,437 --> 01:11:53,647 That Griselda ever had. 1843 01:11:53,647 --> 01:11:55,983 I mean, he's a legend. He always got his man. 1844 01:11:55,983 --> 01:11:59,069 Osvaldo, Griselda's son. Back then he was 15. 1845 01:11:59,069 --> 01:12:00,112 He wanted to live fast. 1846 01:12:00,112 --> 01:12:01,780 I mean, he was carrying guns and stuff, 1847 01:12:01,780 --> 01:12:04,324 He was dealing 300 and 400 kilos of cocaine a month. 1848 01:12:04,324 --> 01:12:06,118 This was all orchestrated by the mother. 1849 01:12:06,118 --> 01:12:08,787 He wanted to look like Don Corleone, you know, 1850 01:12:08,787 --> 01:12:11,456 And act like him, and he did. 1851 01:12:11,456 --> 01:12:15,419 Cocky attitude, because of his mom. He was a smart ass. 1852 01:12:15,419 --> 01:12:17,588 He was in the faces nightclub in coconut grove 1853 01:12:17,588 --> 01:12:19,631 With his buddies and his girlfriend and all. 1854 01:12:19,631 --> 01:12:21,133 Chucho lived near there. 1855 01:12:21,133 --> 01:12:23,886 So Osvaldo, he figured, "well, i'll go camp over here 1856 01:12:23,886 --> 01:12:25,220 "At Chucho's house." 1857 01:12:25,220 --> 01:12:26,763 He drove his car right to the front lawn, 1858 01:12:26,763 --> 01:12:29,725 Almost to the front door, skidding the tires and... 1859 01:12:29,725 --> 01:12:31,185 Making a whole bunch of noise. So Chucho came out. 1860 01:12:31,185 --> 01:12:33,145 So he told him, you know, to get the hell out of his house. 1861 01:12:33,145 --> 01:12:34,521 So he said, "well, if you don't let me spend the night, 1862 01:12:34,521 --> 01:12:36,023 "I'll tell my mom." So Chucho said, 1863 01:12:36,023 --> 01:12:37,191 "I don't give a fuck who you tell, 1864 01:12:37,191 --> 01:12:38,400 "I don't give a fuck about your mom, 1865 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,110 "Tell your mom that i said to fuck herself." 1866 01:12:40,110 --> 01:12:41,862 Chucho kicked him in the ass and told him, 1867 01:12:41,862 --> 01:12:43,572 "Get back in the car, get the hell out of here. 1868 01:12:43,572 --> 01:12:45,574 "Tell your mom that i kicked your ass." 1869 01:12:45,574 --> 01:12:47,910 So the kid went back home and told his mom. 1870 01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:49,661 And that's one thing about her, 1871 01:12:49,661 --> 01:12:51,038 You couldn't touch her kids. 1872 01:12:51,038 --> 01:12:53,665 It didn't matter who it was, that person would die. 1873 01:12:53,665 --> 01:12:56,126 There was always somebody that did something wrong. 1874 01:12:56,126 --> 01:12:58,337 Whether they did or not, there was a reason for her 1875 01:12:58,337 --> 01:13:00,339 To have a problem with them. 1876 01:13:00,339 --> 01:13:02,007 I was called that afternoon to her house. 1877 01:13:02,007 --> 01:13:03,926 She said, "i notify him that we at war, 1878 01:13:03,926 --> 01:13:06,345 "That he's no longer my friend, he's my enemy. 1879 01:13:06,345 --> 01:13:09,097 "So from this point on if you see him, shoot him." 1880 01:13:09,097 --> 01:13:11,225 Rivi and his people were deployed in this area. 1881 01:13:11,225 --> 01:13:13,143 Well, it wasn't gonna be easy, 'cause he's good. 1882 01:13:13,143 --> 01:13:14,520 We make a mistake, we won't get him 1883 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,355 Or we were gonna get killed by this guy. 1884 01:13:16,355 --> 01:13:20,818 Rivi, a driver, and a second gunman with a white van. 1885 01:13:20,818 --> 01:13:23,695 I was gonna be the shooter, so i got an M16, 1886 01:13:23,695 --> 01:13:25,906 And i just told the driver, "when you get near him, 1887 01:13:25,906 --> 01:13:27,324 "You know, window to window, let me know 1888 01:13:27,324 --> 01:13:28,700 "And i'll fire through the door." 1889 01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:30,661 'Cause i knew if i opened the door 1890 01:13:30,661 --> 01:13:32,746 While we were moving, he was gonna know. 1891 01:13:32,746 --> 01:13:34,164 He knew all the tricks. 1892 01:13:34,164 --> 01:13:36,416 Chucho opened up the garage door, 1893 01:13:36,416 --> 01:13:38,335 Drove out of his garage onto 168 street 1894 01:13:38,335 --> 01:13:40,921 And then drove west towards us 1. 1895 01:13:40,921 --> 01:13:42,339 Us 1, where the light was, 1896 01:13:42,339 --> 01:13:44,466 It was about half a mile away. 1897 01:13:44,466 --> 01:13:45,801 So we had plenty of time. 1898 01:13:45,801 --> 01:13:48,262 Somewhere in this area would have been where they would have, 1899 01:13:48,262 --> 01:13:51,431 You know, caught up with Chucho, gone parallel with him, 1900 01:13:51,431 --> 01:13:54,768 Both westbound, Van to the left, Chucho to the right. 1901 01:13:54,768 --> 01:13:56,478 And i grabbed the machine gun and i started shooting his tires 1902 01:13:56,478 --> 01:13:59,022 Trying to blow his tires off. He lost control of the car 1903 01:13:59,022 --> 01:14:01,650 And he almost hit a wall but he took control. 1904 01:14:01,650 --> 01:14:02,943 He came back on the road this time. 1905 01:14:02,943 --> 01:14:05,112 It was about the time they were approaching us 1. 1906 01:14:05,112 --> 01:14:07,322 By that time we were real close to the red light. 1907 01:14:07,322 --> 01:14:08,949 There was a gas station on the right-hand side. 1908 01:14:08,949 --> 01:14:10,701 As they approach us 1, 1909 01:14:10,701 --> 01:14:12,911 Chucho then cuts through this gas station parking lot, 1910 01:14:12,911 --> 01:14:16,623 They are at real high rate of speed, goes north on us 1, 1911 01:14:16,623 --> 01:14:19,418 And that's where he loses the guy shooting at him. 1912 01:14:19,418 --> 01:14:21,879 We looked everywhere, we didn't see him. 1913 01:14:21,879 --> 01:14:23,881 So we just left, and said, you know, 1914 01:14:23,881 --> 01:14:26,049 "We fucked it up." 1915 01:14:26,049 --> 01:14:28,343 Well, the next day Griselda called me 1916 01:14:28,343 --> 01:14:30,137 And she says, "his son got killed, 1917 01:14:30,137 --> 01:14:33,307 "His son was in the back of the car sleeping 1918 01:14:33,307 --> 01:14:35,642 "And the bullets went right through the trunk of the car 1919 01:14:35,642 --> 01:14:38,770 "And hit him in the head." 1920 01:14:38,770 --> 01:14:40,814 I said, "we never saw him," 'cause if i would have seen him, 1921 01:14:40,814 --> 01:14:42,733 We would never have touched that car. 1922 01:14:42,733 --> 01:14:45,986 She says, "he told me to tell you 1923 01:14:45,986 --> 01:14:50,240 "That he's gonna get you cause he saw you." 1924 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:51,658 I said, "that's fine." 1925 01:14:51,658 --> 01:14:53,494 Chucho was actually a fugitive, federal fugitive, 1926 01:14:53,494 --> 01:14:54,620 He was involved in trafficking, 1927 01:14:54,620 --> 01:14:56,830 There was a warrant for his arrest from D.E.A. 1928 01:14:56,830 --> 01:14:59,124 And that was the primary reason he was not going to get involved 1929 01:14:59,124 --> 01:15:01,084 With reporting this thing to the police. 1930 01:15:01,084 --> 01:15:05,255 He returned back home, put the baby in a bathtub, 1931 01:15:05,255 --> 01:15:06,340 Put ice around the baby 1932 01:15:06,340 --> 01:15:08,217 So the baby would be preserved all evening. 1933 01:15:08,217 --> 01:15:10,052 He and his wife spent the entire evening crying 1934 01:15:10,052 --> 01:15:12,429 With his baby in the bathtub. 1935 01:15:12,429 --> 01:15:14,515 The following day they called the police 1936 01:15:14,515 --> 01:15:18,352 To let us know where to find the body. 1937 01:15:18,352 --> 01:15:21,355 This is the phone calls that jesus made 1938 01:15:21,355 --> 01:15:22,439 To the complaint room. 1939 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,108 "Please, i just left the body without life 1940 01:15:25,108 --> 01:15:26,860 "Of a baby they killed yesterday. 1941 01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:28,362 "Excuse me, yesterday some banditos 1942 01:15:28,362 --> 01:15:30,030 "That were in a white van 1943 01:15:30,030 --> 01:15:31,782 "Shoot me with a machine gun 1944 01:15:31,782 --> 01:15:33,742 "And the boy was sitting and they killed him 1945 01:15:33,742 --> 01:15:36,119 "At 7th avenue and 53rd street. 1946 01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:37,830 "The body of the boy they killed yesterday, 1947 01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:39,039 "The banditos." 1948 01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:40,290 This is the mosque 1949 01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:43,043 Where the body of Johnnie Castro was placed. 1950 01:15:43,043 --> 01:15:44,711 Chucho was looking for the church 1951 01:15:44,711 --> 01:15:47,756 Where Johnnie Castro had been confirmed months earlier. 1952 01:15:47,756 --> 01:15:49,091 He was unable to find the church 1953 01:15:49,091 --> 01:15:50,342 And this was the best he could do, 1954 01:15:50,342 --> 01:15:52,636 He found this mosque which was in the same neighborhood. 1955 01:15:52,636 --> 01:15:57,266 The child was wrapped in a sheet. 1956 01:15:57,266 --> 01:16:00,269 In his hands was three roses. 1957 01:16:00,269 --> 01:16:03,355 A rose for each year of the child's age, 1958 01:16:03,355 --> 01:16:06,358 And i think a passport... 1959 01:16:06,358 --> 01:16:08,152 Here it is. 1960 01:16:08,152 --> 01:16:11,405 He knew they needed a passport to show who he was. 1961 01:16:11,405 --> 01:16:14,533 He was born march 10th 1979 1962 01:16:14,533 --> 01:16:18,912 So he was almost 3 years old... 1963 01:16:18,912 --> 01:16:20,789 Almost 3 years old. 1964 01:16:20,789 --> 01:16:23,000 We realized that it was a Colombian child 1965 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,585 Because of the passport and so forth. 1966 01:16:24,585 --> 01:16:26,295 We made contact with sergeant singleton, 1967 01:16:26,295 --> 01:16:27,838 Centac, and his people. 1968 01:16:27,838 --> 01:16:29,965 We knew it was Griselda Blanco and her group. 1969 01:16:29,965 --> 01:16:32,176 We had gotten the name of riverita, 1970 01:16:32,176 --> 01:16:34,219 But nothing concrete, you know, no picture to say 1971 01:16:34,219 --> 01:16:36,221 "Okay, this is who you're looking for." 1972 01:16:36,221 --> 01:16:38,140 Nothing like that. 1973 01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:41,351 I can't think of any other case where there was a child killed. 1974 01:16:41,351 --> 01:16:43,604 Little Johnnie Castro 1975 01:16:43,604 --> 01:16:45,522 Shot just because he happened to be sitting 1976 01:16:45,522 --> 01:16:49,109 Next to his father who was Colombian and a target 1977 01:16:49,109 --> 01:16:51,695 Of some of the cocaine cowboys. 1978 01:16:51,695 --> 01:16:53,447 I was a rookie homicide detective, 1979 01:16:53,447 --> 01:16:55,991 Only been up there less than a year, 1980 01:16:55,991 --> 01:16:59,495 And my son was about the same age at that time. 1981 01:16:59,495 --> 01:17:01,079 Uh... people always asked me, you know, 1982 01:17:01,079 --> 01:17:02,664 "Have bodies ever bothered you?" 1983 01:17:02,664 --> 01:17:05,709 And never, other than this one case. 1984 01:17:05,709 --> 01:17:09,254 I mean that really hit me, you know, real hard, 1985 01:17:09,254 --> 01:17:11,882 'Cause i had... i had kids that age. 1986 01:17:11,882 --> 01:17:14,009 Innocent, innocent baby, you know. 1987 01:17:14,009 --> 01:17:15,677 Griselda, she said, "well, fuck it, you know, 1988 01:17:15,677 --> 01:17:17,471 "At least we got him." 1989 01:17:17,471 --> 01:17:19,056 I mean, she wasn't sorry about it, 1990 01:17:19,056 --> 01:17:20,891 And she was like... like, she didn't give shit. 1991 01:17:20,891 --> 01:17:22,476 Even though the Colombians were wild 1992 01:17:22,476 --> 01:17:23,852 In the way they did things, 1993 01:17:23,852 --> 01:17:26,396 She would just do it even in a stupid way. 1994 01:17:26,396 --> 01:17:27,606 But it bothered a lot of people, 1995 01:17:27,606 --> 01:17:29,024 Not just here in the United States 1996 01:17:29,024 --> 01:17:30,484 It bothered people in Colombia. 1997 01:17:30,484 --> 01:17:32,486 Everybody would tell them this woman's out of control 1998 01:17:32,486 --> 01:17:34,446 And she's gonna ruin everybody's business. 1999 01:17:34,446 --> 01:17:37,324 It came back from the Ochoas, word to her, 2000 01:17:37,324 --> 01:17:38,742 That let's just get whoever's involved 2001 01:17:38,742 --> 01:17:40,994 And let's try to avoid killing innocent people. 2002 01:17:40,994 --> 01:17:42,454 And the only thing that i remember 2003 01:17:42,454 --> 01:17:43,831 The Colombians wanted of her 2004 01:17:43,831 --> 01:17:46,542 Was really to stay out of Miami as much as possible. 2005 01:17:46,542 --> 01:17:48,168 So she got a lot of heat from the others but she says, 2006 01:17:48,168 --> 01:17:49,294 "You know what? Fuck them all. 2007 01:17:49,294 --> 01:17:51,088 "I do what i want up here." 2008 01:17:51,088 --> 01:17:53,507 "If they don't like it they can come after me too." 2009 01:17:53,507 --> 01:17:55,467 Just like that. 2010 01:17:55,467 --> 01:17:57,886 I would hear conversations in spanish with Rafa 2011 01:17:57,886 --> 01:17:59,263 'Cause i was sitting in his house, 2012 01:17:59,263 --> 01:18:00,889 "That motherfucking girl! 2013 01:18:00,889 --> 01:18:04,017 "Again she did this to me! Now what am i gonna do?" 2014 01:18:04,017 --> 01:18:05,686 And i know he'd call down there 2015 01:18:05,686 --> 01:18:07,020 And he'd ask the guys down there, 2016 01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:08,647 "What do you want me to do?" And somehow this girl 2017 01:18:08,647 --> 01:18:10,816 Got a pass every time because she should have 2018 01:18:10,816 --> 01:18:14,778 Been dead a long time before her time, a long time. 2019 01:18:14,778 --> 01:18:16,196 Back to work. 2020 01:18:18,198 --> 01:18:19,783 Riverita... 2021 01:18:19,783 --> 01:18:21,994 He became Griselda's most favored enforcer. 2022 01:18:21,994 --> 01:18:23,787 Sort of like security. 2023 01:18:23,787 --> 01:18:25,330 Like i was like the head of security, 2024 01:18:25,330 --> 01:18:26,874 Nobody knew where she lived but me. 2025 01:18:26,874 --> 01:18:30,586 Most of the meetings took place in Rafa's house, in Max's house. 2026 01:18:30,586 --> 01:18:32,796 I met Max the first time at his home as matter of fact. 2027 01:18:32,796 --> 01:18:34,256 I went there with Griselda. 2028 01:18:34,256 --> 01:18:36,383 From that point on, i never liked him. 2029 01:18:36,383 --> 01:18:38,635 I used to tell Griselda, i said, "don't trust this motherfucker, 2030 01:18:38,635 --> 01:18:40,095 I don't trust him." And i said, "listen, 2031 01:18:40,095 --> 01:18:41,430 "If you don't stay away from this guy, he's gonna 2032 01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:42,931 "Put you in prison. 2033 01:18:42,931 --> 01:18:45,017 "The next time i run into him i'm gonna shoot him." 2034 01:18:45,017 --> 01:18:46,560 But he would run and tell Rafa 2035 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,103 And they would come back with the men and make sure 2036 01:18:48,103 --> 01:18:49,563 Nothing happens to Max, you know, 2037 01:18:49,563 --> 01:18:51,315 "Take care of Max, Max is my compadre." 2038 01:18:51,315 --> 01:18:54,026 I said, "fuck Max, i'm gonna shoot that motherfucker." 2039 01:18:54,026 --> 01:18:55,486 And he said, "you're gonna kill me?" 2040 01:18:55,486 --> 01:18:58,405 I said, "not right now, but i will later." 2041 01:18:58,405 --> 01:19:01,783 I mean, you had to respect him because the guy came in 2042 01:19:01,783 --> 01:19:05,496 With like tough talk, guns, and all these people with him. 2043 01:19:05,496 --> 01:19:06,997 You're talking about a guy, 2044 01:19:06,997 --> 01:19:09,875 Anybody coming in anywhere with an entourage, 2045 01:19:09,875 --> 01:19:11,376 You go, "this guy is somebody." 2046 01:19:11,376 --> 01:19:13,420 I didn't roll all flashy and stuff like that, you know, 2047 01:19:13,420 --> 01:19:15,506 I had my house in Miami at palm beach, 2048 01:19:15,506 --> 01:19:17,674 I had a house in san agustÍn and two houses in chicago. 2049 01:19:17,674 --> 01:19:19,551 My cars, i had plenty of cars. 2050 01:19:19,551 --> 01:19:21,470 I'd buy them for my girlfriends too. 2051 01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:23,180 My wife, a couple of girlfriends. 2052 01:19:23,180 --> 01:19:26,350 The life, you gotta have... you gotta keep a couple. 2053 01:19:26,350 --> 01:19:28,185 You know, it was what i wanted, what i like, 2054 01:19:28,185 --> 01:19:29,478 I saw on the street i bought it. 2055 01:19:29,478 --> 01:19:31,563 You know, i didn't have to worry about the price. 2056 01:19:31,563 --> 01:19:34,024 I don't know, show business kind of... 2057 01:19:34,024 --> 01:19:35,567 That type of thing. 2058 01:19:35,567 --> 01:19:37,319 A handsome guy, he spoke english, 2059 01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:38,987 Had a lot charisma. 2060 01:19:38,987 --> 01:19:41,782 That's one of the reasons that she liked me so much. 2061 01:19:41,782 --> 01:19:43,075 I grew up in this country. 2062 01:19:43,075 --> 01:19:44,660 I just didn't come across the water 2063 01:19:44,660 --> 01:19:46,578 And i started... and put me on the street. 2064 01:19:46,578 --> 01:19:49,331 Although he was as bad and probably killed more than... 2065 01:19:49,331 --> 01:19:50,749 Than any of the other ones. 2066 01:19:50,749 --> 01:19:52,167 I came from a good family but i grew up on the streets, 2067 01:19:52,167 --> 01:19:53,627 In chicago. 2068 01:19:53,627 --> 01:19:55,587 I was a bad boy from the very beginning. 2069 01:19:55,587 --> 01:19:57,714 A stone-cold killer. 2070 01:19:57,714 --> 01:20:00,342 To tell you the truth, i didn't like the guy very much 2071 01:20:00,342 --> 01:20:03,846 Because he used to brag to me about-- 2072 01:20:03,846 --> 01:20:06,890 Like people that he had killed and that sort of thing. 2073 01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:09,476 One time i rolled my window down and i shot him with a mac-11 2074 01:20:09,476 --> 01:20:10,769 On the face. 2075 01:20:10,769 --> 01:20:12,729 I don't wanna hear "oh, he killed this guy 2076 01:20:12,729 --> 01:20:13,939 "Here, there," it was like... 2077 01:20:13,939 --> 01:20:15,315 And i'll kill anyone in the United States, 2078 01:20:15,315 --> 01:20:17,651 Or anywhere in Europe, anywhere they send me, i'll do it. 2079 01:20:17,651 --> 01:20:20,779 I don't wanna hear about it. Bragging about stuff. 2080 01:20:20,779 --> 01:20:23,407 As far as working on us soil, i was the best. 2081 01:20:23,407 --> 01:20:26,201 It was unnerving in a way, you know, 2082 01:20:26,201 --> 01:20:28,787 Because he was kinda an enforcer for this woman 2083 01:20:28,787 --> 01:20:31,248 Or whatever, you know, whatever he was. 2084 01:20:31,248 --> 01:20:32,666 And he was the guy during the years 2085 01:20:32,666 --> 01:20:35,335 Of '82 to '84 that she used 2086 01:20:35,335 --> 01:20:38,922 Basically exclusively to do her killings. 2087 01:20:38,922 --> 01:20:40,090 My reputation was 2088 01:20:40,090 --> 01:20:43,385 That once i went after you, i will get you. 2089 01:20:43,385 --> 01:20:45,387 If you run, i'm gonna catch you. 2090 01:20:45,387 --> 01:20:46,722 If there was a drug debt to be collected, 2091 01:20:46,722 --> 01:20:48,474 He was sent to collect it. 2092 01:20:48,474 --> 01:20:51,268 A lot of her customers said that they were late, 2093 01:20:51,268 --> 01:20:52,519 And she said, "well, if you're not here tomorrow, 2094 01:20:52,519 --> 01:20:53,604 "I'll send Rivi after you." 2095 01:20:53,604 --> 01:20:54,855 "Oh, no, no, don't send him." 2096 01:20:57,649 --> 01:21:00,569 Alfredo Lorenzo was a drug customer of Griselda Blanco. 2097 01:21:00,569 --> 01:21:02,154 Griselda ordered me to deliver 2098 01:21:02,154 --> 01:21:03,530 5 kilos of cocaine to them. 2099 01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:06,575 Back then it was $50,000 each, it was $250 an ounce. 2100 01:21:06,575 --> 01:21:08,744 He had been given cocaine on consignment. 2101 01:21:08,744 --> 01:21:10,245 That was the way Griselda did it, 2102 01:21:10,245 --> 01:21:11,997 She said, "how many days do you need to pay me back?" 2103 01:21:11,997 --> 01:21:15,292 "One week." "Okay, i'm gonna give you two weeks." 2104 01:21:15,292 --> 01:21:18,962 "When those two weeks were up, she didn't want the money, 2105 01:21:18,962 --> 01:21:20,631 "She wanted the person's life." 2106 01:21:20,631 --> 01:21:22,466 Rivi was sent to collect the debt. 2107 01:21:22,466 --> 01:21:24,593 I went to his house, you know, to pick up the money, 2108 01:21:24,593 --> 01:21:26,762 Ah, you know, excuses, excuses, excuses, 2109 01:21:26,762 --> 01:21:29,139 And he says, "tell her to give me more credit 2110 01:21:29,139 --> 01:21:30,891 "And i'll come up with the money." 2111 01:21:30,891 --> 01:21:34,728 I didn't say nothing to him. I just felt sorry for him. 2112 01:21:34,728 --> 01:21:36,522 Rivi realized that Lorenzo was giving him 2113 01:21:36,522 --> 01:21:39,149 A lot of bullshit, basically. 2114 01:21:39,149 --> 01:21:40,859 And he reported that back to Griselda. 2115 01:21:40,859 --> 01:21:43,987 She says, "well, you know what to do." 2116 01:21:43,987 --> 01:21:46,907 Well, then his fate was sealed. 2117 01:21:46,907 --> 01:21:50,285 With Griselda, you didn't pay, you die. 2118 01:21:50,285 --> 01:21:54,122 Even the mafia would have some kind of code of honor. 2119 01:21:54,122 --> 01:21:56,792 The Italians would think and try to figure out 2120 01:21:56,792 --> 01:21:58,794 How am i gonna get my money back? 2121 01:21:58,794 --> 01:22:01,630 And maybe after i got my money they would beat him to a pulp 2122 01:22:01,630 --> 01:22:04,216 But he was fine, three weeks later he'd heal. 2123 01:22:04,216 --> 01:22:07,302 As the Colombians came in, there was no beating people up. 2124 01:22:07,302 --> 01:22:09,805 You know, the hot-blooded latins, 2125 01:22:09,805 --> 01:22:10,889 They don't think first. 2126 01:22:10,889 --> 01:22:12,975 They act first and then they think afterwards. 2127 01:22:12,975 --> 01:22:14,852 Even though they might kill the whole family, 2128 01:22:14,852 --> 01:22:16,353 Then they'd think to themselves 2129 01:22:16,353 --> 01:22:17,980 "Oh, my god, i screwed myself out of my... 2130 01:22:17,980 --> 01:22:19,523 "How am i gonna get my money?" 2131 01:22:19,523 --> 01:22:21,275 When it's too late to actually get the money. 2132 01:22:21,275 --> 01:22:23,277 It's not about the money, just to prove a point, 2133 01:22:23,277 --> 01:22:25,279 "Don't rip me off, don't fuck with me, 2134 01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:27,281 "'Cause i'll kill you or send somebody after you." 2135 01:22:27,281 --> 01:22:30,284 She said, "kill them." And he did. 2136 01:22:34,079 --> 01:22:37,416 Miguel got on my right, and Oscar Murillo, 2137 01:22:37,416 --> 01:22:39,334 He gets on the left, and i knock on the door. 2138 01:22:39,334 --> 01:22:40,544 Alfredo opened the door, 2139 01:22:40,544 --> 01:22:42,504 As soon as he opened the door, i put a gun to his ribs, 2140 01:22:42,504 --> 01:22:44,464 I signal him to be quiet. 2141 01:22:44,464 --> 01:22:45,549 I asked him where his wife at. 2142 01:22:45,549 --> 01:22:47,134 He said, "she's in the kitchen cooking." 2143 01:22:47,134 --> 01:22:48,677 So i went and got her and she says, 2144 01:22:48,677 --> 01:22:50,596 "I don't know what's gonna go on, 2145 01:22:50,596 --> 01:22:52,681 "The only thing i'm asking from you is don't hurt my kids." 2146 01:22:52,681 --> 01:22:55,350 Three children, two daughters, one son. 2147 01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:58,187 The daughters' ages i believe are 6 and 4. 2148 01:22:58,187 --> 01:23:00,647 And i think the son was like a baby. 2149 01:23:00,647 --> 01:23:02,983 I said "no, i'm not gonna hurt your kids." 2150 01:23:02,983 --> 01:23:05,652 Griselda, she gave me the orders to kill them. 2151 01:23:05,652 --> 01:23:08,197 I figured i was just gonna do him. 2152 01:23:08,197 --> 01:23:09,865 I was talking to her, i heard two shots, 2153 01:23:09,865 --> 01:23:12,117 A couple- I knew what was up. 2154 01:23:12,117 --> 01:23:14,119 Miguel had shot Alfredo. 2155 01:23:20,626 --> 01:23:23,462 So i told Oscar, i said, "watch her, i'll be right back." 2156 01:23:23,462 --> 01:23:24,922 I went to the next room. 2157 01:23:24,922 --> 01:23:27,925 And i talked to Miguel, i said, "done?" 2158 01:23:27,925 --> 01:23:29,968 And he says, "done." 2159 01:23:29,968 --> 01:23:33,055 While we were talking, i heard this scream 2160 01:23:33,055 --> 01:23:34,515 And then i hear a machine gun go off. 2161 01:23:35,808 --> 01:23:37,059 So i went back to the room 2162 01:23:37,059 --> 01:23:39,436 And he said, "she tried to jump me." 2163 01:23:39,436 --> 01:23:42,689 So Oscar fired, she was shot about 10, 15 times in the chest, 2164 01:23:42,689 --> 01:23:45,025 And she was still alive, she was making these... 2165 01:23:45,025 --> 01:23:47,694 Weird noises, and blood's coming out of her mouth, 2166 01:23:47,694 --> 01:23:50,489 She's dying. So i grabbed Miguel's gun. 2167 01:23:50,489 --> 01:23:53,534 It was a .380 with a silencer and i shot her... 2168 01:23:53,534 --> 01:23:57,538 Twice behind the head, put her out of her misery. 2169 01:23:59,373 --> 01:24:01,291 I thought, "let's get, you know, let's get out of here." 2170 01:24:01,291 --> 01:24:03,210 But Miguel tells me, "no, Griselda told me 2171 01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:05,629 "To kill everybody in the house." 2172 01:24:05,629 --> 01:24:06,839 I said, "what are you talking about? 2173 01:24:06,839 --> 01:24:10,843 "It's only the kids left." 2174 01:24:10,843 --> 01:24:12,427 He says, "no, i'm gonna kill the kids." 2175 01:24:12,427 --> 01:24:13,971 I said, "no, you're not." 2176 01:24:13,971 --> 01:24:15,055 He's telling me, "she told me 2177 01:24:15,055 --> 01:24:16,056 That she would pay me extra for them, 2178 01:24:16,056 --> 01:24:17,307 "So i'm gonna make the money." 2179 01:24:17,307 --> 01:24:19,268 I said, "you're not gonna kill those kids." 2180 01:24:19,268 --> 01:24:22,563 Well, he's walking towards the kids. 2181 01:24:22,563 --> 01:24:23,730 So i pulled my gun out, and i told him 2182 01:24:23,730 --> 01:24:25,232 To leave the goddamn house. 2183 01:24:25,232 --> 01:24:27,276 So Miguel got real mad, "we gotta get that little girl." 2184 01:24:27,276 --> 01:24:30,154 I said, "no, no. This is it. 2185 01:24:30,154 --> 01:24:32,239 "It's time to go, get out of here." 2186 01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:36,076 I had to get them out of there at gunpoint. 2187 01:24:36,076 --> 01:24:38,162 Alfredo and Griselda Lorenzo 2188 01:24:38,162 --> 01:24:39,288 Were found shot and killed 2189 01:24:39,288 --> 01:24:41,748 In june of 1982 in their home. 2190 01:24:41,748 --> 01:24:44,459 It was a modest home in the rhodes section of Miami. 2191 01:24:44,459 --> 01:24:48,589 Back in 1982 i had just recently gone to the centac squad, 2192 01:24:48,589 --> 01:24:51,633 Received a call from Nelson Andrew, 2193 01:24:51,633 --> 01:24:54,428 Who was a detective.., homicide detective in the city of Miami. 2194 01:24:54,428 --> 01:24:56,096 The bodies were in separate rooms of the house 2195 01:24:56,096 --> 01:24:57,639 And whoever committed the homicide 2196 01:24:57,639 --> 01:24:59,683 Left the children right inside the house 2197 01:24:59,683 --> 01:25:01,185 With the dead parents. They actually found 2198 01:25:01,185 --> 01:25:03,103 The two daughters and the son 2199 01:25:03,103 --> 01:25:06,815 Playing with the bloody, dead body of their mother 2200 01:25:06,815 --> 01:25:09,318 Inside the house. 2201 01:25:09,318 --> 01:25:12,279 We got paid, so i explained to her, 2202 01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:14,573 I told her, i said, "we didn't do the kids." 2203 01:25:14,573 --> 01:25:17,159 She got pissed, she says, "the order was to kill everybody." 2204 01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:18,911 I mean, when she said everybody it means everybody. 2205 01:25:18,911 --> 01:25:20,913 I said, "you know, i made the decision 2206 01:25:20,913 --> 01:25:23,332 "To leave the kids alone." "Why?" 2207 01:25:23,332 --> 01:25:26,585 I said, "they just babies." 2208 01:25:26,585 --> 01:25:27,961 But after Johnnie Castro, you know, 2209 01:25:27,961 --> 01:25:29,254 When the baby got killed, 2210 01:25:29,254 --> 01:25:31,215 I guess she got used to it after that. 2211 01:25:31,215 --> 01:25:33,675 You know, killing kids. 2212 01:25:33,675 --> 01:25:35,219 She liked to be at war. 2213 01:25:35,219 --> 01:25:36,804 Every day she was talking about it, 2214 01:25:36,804 --> 01:25:38,555 We gotta get so and so, we gotta get so and so, 2215 01:25:38,555 --> 01:25:40,349 We gotta get rid of him. 2216 01:25:40,349 --> 01:25:43,435 It was just...it was something that she enjoyed. 2217 01:25:43,435 --> 01:25:45,312 She went to war with Paco Mejia, he used to be 2218 01:25:45,312 --> 01:25:47,189 An enforcer for Griselda years back. 2219 01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:49,525 Apparently, he ripped her off and he went on his own. 2220 01:25:49,525 --> 01:25:51,527 And he declared war on Griselda. 2221 01:25:51,527 --> 01:25:53,987 Homicide investigators learned several weeks ago 2222 01:25:53,987 --> 01:25:57,199 That a big shipment of cocaine worth several million dollars 2223 01:25:57,199 --> 01:25:59,785 From Colombia never arrived here. 2224 01:25:59,785 --> 01:26:02,204 Police say it was headed to New York city. 2225 01:26:02,204 --> 01:26:05,666 And that's one thing that she didn't forget or forgive. 2226 01:26:07,459 --> 01:26:09,461 So i go to New York to kill everybody 2227 01:26:09,461 --> 01:26:12,214 That was working for Paco Mejia, all his crew. 2228 01:26:13,966 --> 01:26:15,384 Broke all their rules there too. 2229 01:26:15,384 --> 01:26:17,636 The words that the person that i spoke to was 2230 01:26:17,636 --> 01:26:19,054 "There is gonna be a bloodbath." 2231 01:26:19,054 --> 01:26:24,685 From the stashers to the hitmen, 11 people, they all got killed. 2232 01:26:24,685 --> 01:26:29,523 11 people. Hmph. In less than 24 hours. 2233 01:26:29,523 --> 01:26:33,110 It was supposed to be 12, but i let one go. 2234 01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:35,946 Homicide detectives are now contacting New York police 2235 01:26:35,946 --> 01:26:38,949 To investigate any similarities between any drug hits 2236 01:26:38,949 --> 01:26:42,202 In the New York area and the recent drug assassinations 2237 01:26:42,202 --> 01:26:44,037 Here in South Florida. 2238 01:26:44,037 --> 01:26:45,789 They went to war. 2239 01:26:47,374 --> 01:26:48,876 Well, Griselda took the first step. 2240 01:26:48,876 --> 01:26:51,044 We are now at the mall of the Americas 2241 01:26:51,044 --> 01:26:53,755 Which back in 1981 was called the pan-American mall. 2242 01:26:53,755 --> 01:26:55,466 So when we get to the mall, i set up all the cars 2243 01:26:55,466 --> 01:26:56,633 Where we wanted them at. 2244 01:26:56,633 --> 01:26:59,428 This is the scene of the octavio Mejia homicide, 2245 01:26:59,428 --> 01:27:00,762 He was Paco's father. 2246 01:27:00,762 --> 01:27:04,516 Basically, when Mejia left the shopping mall... 2247 01:27:04,516 --> 01:27:06,435 They ambushed him. 2248 01:27:06,435 --> 01:27:09,605 And he was shot numerous times by several different gunmen. 2249 01:27:09,605 --> 01:27:11,398 A lot of people was pissed because they claimed that 2250 01:27:11,398 --> 01:27:14,151 He wasn't a part of the war between Paco and Griselda. 2251 01:27:14,151 --> 01:27:16,069 So most people flipped on Griselda. 2252 01:27:16,069 --> 01:27:18,322 She created more enemies, but she didn't give a shit. 2253 01:27:18,322 --> 01:27:19,656 She liked that. 2254 01:27:19,656 --> 01:27:22,659 What i didn't know, his son was there, Paco. 2255 01:27:22,659 --> 01:27:25,537 He was in the car when his father went in the mall. 2256 01:27:25,537 --> 01:27:27,456 I was pissed off 'cause i missed him. 2257 01:27:27,456 --> 01:27:28,874 I'm gonna get him a different way. 2258 01:27:28,874 --> 01:27:30,709 Somebody had tipped us off he had a new house 2259 01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:32,961 In killian parkway. So Griselda says, 2260 01:27:32,961 --> 01:27:34,546 "You're not gonna miss this time, are you?" 2261 01:27:34,546 --> 01:27:36,173 And i said, "no, i'm gonna blow the whole house up." 2262 01:27:36,173 --> 01:27:37,508 She said, "what are you talking about?" 2263 01:27:37,508 --> 01:27:39,968 I said, "i'm gonna put a bomb, kill everybody." 2264 01:27:39,968 --> 01:27:42,638 And i got about 200 sticks of dynamite. 2265 01:27:42,638 --> 01:27:44,306 That goddamn explosion was so loud. 2266 01:27:46,475 --> 01:27:49,311 That first thing that went was the roof come out of the house. 2267 01:27:49,311 --> 01:27:51,271 The house came apart. 2268 01:27:54,441 --> 01:27:55,734 The neighbors always wondered 2269 01:27:55,734 --> 01:27:58,278 What busted the cars around the neighborhood. 2270 01:27:58,278 --> 01:28:01,740 All the windows were busted. 2271 01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:03,200 I just want to get to the good news 2272 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,952 That they found somebody in there. 2273 01:28:04,952 --> 01:28:08,831 Turns out, i missed again. The house was empty. 2274 01:28:12,334 --> 01:28:14,545 This is just one more, you know, skirmish 2275 01:28:14,545 --> 01:28:18,215 In the Griselda Blanco-Mejia, you know, conflict. 2276 01:28:18,215 --> 01:28:20,092 Two weeks later, they had just gotten word 2277 01:28:20,092 --> 01:28:22,386 That Paco Mejia was on the next flight to Miami 2278 01:28:22,386 --> 01:28:25,681 And he was by himself. Griselda, she says, 2279 01:28:25,681 --> 01:28:27,307 "Well, we're gonna get him at the airport. 2280 01:28:27,307 --> 01:28:30,144 "You are." She reached under one of the tables and stuff 2281 01:28:30,144 --> 01:28:33,021 And hands me a bayonet, 16-Inch bayonet. 2282 01:28:33,021 --> 01:28:34,439 She said, "i want you to kill him with this." 2283 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,024 She wanted him stabbed to death. 2284 01:28:36,024 --> 01:28:39,278 I said, "what's this? We changed styles or something?" 2285 01:28:39,278 --> 01:28:43,073 They called him the pig and she wanted him killed like a pig. 2286 01:28:43,073 --> 01:28:45,784 She offered me a half a million dollars, 2287 01:28:45,784 --> 01:28:47,786 She says, "yeah, but you have to get him inside." 2288 01:28:47,786 --> 01:28:50,080 I said, "no, i won't go inside the airport." 2289 01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,748 She says, "why not?" I said, "no, that's a suicide mission, 2290 01:28:51,748 --> 01:28:53,167 "I don't do suicide missions." 2291 01:28:53,167 --> 01:28:55,252 Max Mermelstein and Riverita 2292 01:28:55,252 --> 01:28:58,005 Both strongly advised against this bizarre hit. 2293 01:28:58,005 --> 01:28:59,756 I'm not going into the airport 2294 01:28:59,756 --> 01:29:02,259 To stab this guy to death 'cause i don't wanna go to jail. 2295 01:29:02,259 --> 01:29:04,219 Gotta get someone else, and she says, "oh, i got somebody else." 2296 01:29:04,219 --> 01:29:06,013 I said "who?" And she says, "Miguel." 2297 01:29:06,013 --> 01:29:07,431 Miguel perez, Miguelito. 2298 01:29:07,431 --> 01:29:09,975 Miguelito was kind of like Rivi with no class. 2299 01:29:09,975 --> 01:29:12,436 I mean, Miguel told me one day if the money was right 2300 01:29:12,436 --> 01:29:13,770 He would walk up to the white house 2301 01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:14,771 And kill the president. 2302 01:29:14,771 --> 01:29:16,648 This is a picture that was taken of him 2303 01:29:16,648 --> 01:29:18,192 Shortly after he arrived here 2304 01:29:18,192 --> 01:29:20,527 In 1982 on the mariel boatlift. 2305 01:29:20,527 --> 01:29:21,862 He was one of the scariest guys i've ever 2306 01:29:21,862 --> 01:29:23,864 Really encountered in my career. 2307 01:29:23,864 --> 01:29:25,949 That's when they got the reputation of marielitos, 2308 01:29:25,949 --> 01:29:27,242 Fearless marielitos. 2309 01:29:27,242 --> 01:29:28,619 He was more physically intimidating, 2310 01:29:28,619 --> 01:29:31,705 He was bigger than Rivi, stronger physically than Rivi. 2311 01:29:31,705 --> 01:29:32,956 He's the kind of guy that you'd look at 2312 01:29:32,956 --> 01:29:34,124 And you'd think to yourself, 2313 01:29:34,124 --> 01:29:36,502 "This guy could snap at any moment and go off 2314 01:29:36,502 --> 01:29:38,420 "And probably just snap your neck." 2315 01:29:38,420 --> 01:29:40,047 I talked to Miguel and he was all for it, 2316 01:29:40,047 --> 01:29:41,715 He said "yeah, i'm gonna do it, they're gonna give me 2317 01:29:41,715 --> 01:29:44,718 "$250,000 plus a house to get him inside the airport." 2318 01:29:44,718 --> 01:29:46,512 I told him, "Miguel, if you go in there 2319 01:29:46,512 --> 01:29:47,888 "I will back you up." 2320 01:29:47,888 --> 01:29:50,849 But Miguelito just says "screw it" and he went and did it. 2321 01:29:50,849 --> 01:29:52,309 "The only thing i'm gonna do for you, 2322 01:29:52,309 --> 01:29:54,144 "I'm gonna show you Paco when i'm up here." 2323 01:29:54,144 --> 01:29:56,146 They knew what flight he was on, when he was arriving, 2324 01:29:56,146 --> 01:29:58,398 And they were here waiting for him. 2325 01:29:58,398 --> 01:30:00,567 So sure enough, here comes Paco, 2326 01:30:00,567 --> 01:30:02,319 The last thing he expected was a... 2327 01:30:02,319 --> 01:30:03,529 A nigger to hit him. 2328 01:30:03,529 --> 01:30:06,073 And as he walked out from customs 2329 01:30:06,073 --> 01:30:07,950 A man came up with a bayonet. 2330 01:30:07,950 --> 01:30:09,910 Miguel's coming from behind him, 2331 01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:11,370 Puts him, choke hold, and picks him up 2332 01:30:11,370 --> 01:30:12,538 And starts stabbing him. 2333 01:30:12,538 --> 01:30:14,957 With a bayonet. Several times. 2334 01:30:14,957 --> 01:30:16,375 I counted 6 or 7. 2335 01:30:16,375 --> 01:30:18,043 I mean everybody in the airport was like, 2336 01:30:18,043 --> 01:30:19,878 With their mouths open, like this. 2337 01:30:19,878 --> 01:30:22,297 Everybody was in shock, nobody was saying nothing. 2338 01:30:22,297 --> 01:30:24,758 Drops it on the floor and he takes off running. 2339 01:30:24,758 --> 01:30:26,426 That's when everybody started screaming. 2340 01:30:26,426 --> 01:30:29,221 Police of course ran to the area where this person was stabbed, 2341 01:30:29,221 --> 01:30:31,807 They pointed out the direction that Miguel had fled in 2342 01:30:31,807 --> 01:30:34,434 And within moments, you know, caught up with him. 2343 01:30:34,434 --> 01:30:36,228 One of the officers tackles Miguel, 2344 01:30:36,228 --> 01:30:38,147 He lands about 3 feet away from me 2345 01:30:38,147 --> 01:30:40,274 And Miguel's looking at me like saying, help me, 2346 01:30:40,274 --> 01:30:41,567 You know, with his eyes. 2347 01:30:41,567 --> 01:30:43,527 Then i just shook my head and i said, "Uh-Uh." 2348 01:30:43,527 --> 01:30:44,903 There was nothing i could do. 2349 01:30:44,903 --> 01:30:47,489 There was police officers coming from every direction. 2350 01:30:47,489 --> 01:30:50,492 They took him into custody and we just left. 2351 01:30:50,492 --> 01:30:52,411 This was really over the top because this place 2352 01:30:52,411 --> 01:30:54,830 Even back then pretty much crawls with police. 2353 01:30:54,830 --> 01:30:56,456 There are police on every concourse. 2354 01:30:56,456 --> 01:30:59,710 And to attempt something like that, 2355 01:30:59,710 --> 01:31:01,879 It's insane really, and obviously 2356 01:31:01,879 --> 01:31:03,464 It turned out that way because he was caught. 2357 01:31:03,464 --> 01:31:05,549 But that's the kind of person that Miguelito was, 2358 01:31:05,549 --> 01:31:07,468 He didn't care. He had a job to do, 2359 01:31:07,468 --> 01:31:09,094 Whatever it takes-- You gave him a guy to kill 2360 01:31:09,094 --> 01:31:10,971 And that's what he did. 2361 01:31:10,971 --> 01:31:12,973 But Paco survived the stabbings 2362 01:31:12,973 --> 01:31:16,643 And Miguel, he was eventually convicted of attempted murder, 2363 01:31:16,643 --> 01:31:18,604 Sentenced to i believe 15 years. 2364 01:31:18,604 --> 01:31:21,315 That's the last time i saw Miguel. 2365 01:31:21,315 --> 01:31:24,193 That was the last overt act i know of 2366 01:31:24,193 --> 01:31:27,488 As far as the Mejia-Griselda Blanco war. 2367 01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:37,039 Griselda Blanco was the catalyst for the recognition 2368 01:31:37,039 --> 01:31:38,916 By the United States government 2369 01:31:38,916 --> 01:31:41,126 That Miami had a serious problem, 2370 01:31:41,126 --> 01:31:43,378 That we were really a dodge city. 2371 01:31:43,378 --> 01:31:44,880 It was out of fucking control. 2372 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,591 Believe it or not, when people start getting shot 2373 01:31:47,591 --> 01:31:49,635 Or getting killed, a lot of heat comes from it. 2374 01:31:49,635 --> 01:31:51,386 You have this goose that kept laying golden eggs. 2375 01:31:51,386 --> 01:31:52,930 Why mess it up? 2376 01:31:52,930 --> 01:31:54,431 And it was all because of the violence. 2377 01:31:54,431 --> 01:31:56,433 It wasn't because, you know, there were so many drugs coming, 2378 01:31:56,433 --> 01:31:58,644 They didn't have a clue as to how many drugs were coming. 2379 01:31:58,644 --> 01:32:00,312 They started forming special groups. 2380 01:32:00,312 --> 01:32:03,023 A special anti-narcotics detective squad 2381 01:32:03,023 --> 01:32:04,817 Known as centac 26. 2382 01:32:04,817 --> 01:32:06,485 I mean, i had guys chasing me i never-- 2383 01:32:06,485 --> 01:32:09,321 You know, who the hell are you? What are you? I didn't even know 2384 01:32:09,321 --> 01:32:10,906 Who these people were, you know? Where did they come from? 2385 01:32:10,906 --> 01:32:12,199 Prosecutors expect 2386 01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:15,452 More arrests of drug dealers in the near future. 2387 01:32:15,452 --> 01:32:16,662 Reagan had been elected. 2388 01:32:16,662 --> 01:32:19,414 We need to get the president to come to dade county 2389 01:32:19,414 --> 01:32:21,708 To talk to the widow of a taxicab driver 2390 01:32:21,708 --> 01:32:23,085 Whose head has been blown away. 2391 01:32:23,085 --> 01:32:24,962 The cocaine wars, the level of violence, 2392 01:32:24,962 --> 01:32:28,590 The homicide rate, the cover of time, paradise lost?, 2393 01:32:28,590 --> 01:32:29,633 Led to action. 2394 01:32:29,633 --> 01:32:31,593 Vice president bush's taskforce 2395 01:32:31,593 --> 01:32:33,387 On violent crime in South Florida, 2396 01:32:33,387 --> 01:32:35,389 Flooding Miami with federal agents. 2397 01:32:35,389 --> 01:32:38,392 It is a joint operation with the state people, 2398 01:32:38,392 --> 01:32:41,228 Local police officials, coastguard, customs. 2399 01:32:41,228 --> 01:32:44,940 South Florida cannot be a haven for criminals, 2400 01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:48,402 For sophisticated and organized drug traffickers, 2401 01:32:48,402 --> 01:32:50,737 For hired assassins. 2402 01:32:50,737 --> 01:32:52,239 Finally the rest of the United States 2403 01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:55,450 Was waking up to it, that it was not a Miami problem, 2404 01:32:55,450 --> 01:32:57,202 It was a national problem. 2405 01:32:57,202 --> 01:33:00,330 This initiative will bring together all our resources 2406 01:33:00,330 --> 01:33:05,335 To combat the major drug traffic and the crime problems in Miami. 2407 01:33:05,335 --> 01:33:07,838 I have today sent a telegram to the president imploring him 2408 01:33:07,838 --> 01:33:09,506 To put homestead air force base 2409 01:33:09,506 --> 01:33:12,593 On a war footing to intercept, stop 2410 01:33:12,593 --> 01:33:15,012 And shoot down, if necessary, 2411 01:33:15,012 --> 01:33:17,723 Drug-laden clandestine aircraft and vessels 2412 01:33:17,723 --> 01:33:19,892 Which are trying to smuggle narcotics into Florida. 2413 01:33:19,892 --> 01:33:21,310 We have an unidentified vessel 2414 01:33:21,310 --> 01:33:24,021 Just west of west end, grand bahama. 2415 01:33:24,021 --> 01:33:27,024 Can you send an aircraft out to visually id him? 2416 01:33:27,024 --> 01:33:29,818 I have received authorization 2417 01:33:29,818 --> 01:33:32,446 From the government of Colombia 2418 01:33:32,446 --> 01:33:35,616 To fire into your vessel. 2419 01:33:35,616 --> 01:33:37,576 Roger, 1-6-0, all right. 2420 01:33:41,872 --> 01:33:43,540 2nd please, please, stop, stop. 2421 01:33:43,540 --> 01:33:45,959 Tell him to stop and i will stop. 2422 01:33:45,959 --> 01:33:48,337 3rd been hit. Got smoke, got smoke! 2423 01:33:48,337 --> 01:33:50,839 And the agents say their dockside tests confirm 2424 01:33:50,839 --> 01:33:54,301 They got a tonne of cocaine worth $31 million wholesale, 2425 01:33:54,301 --> 01:33:55,886 A cool billion on the street. 2426 01:33:55,886 --> 01:33:58,639 The amount of drugs that was seized in this area 2427 01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:01,099 Has gone up 2500%. 2428 01:34:01,099 --> 01:34:02,309 2nd the net weight appears to be 2429 01:34:02,309 --> 01:34:04,853 Somewhere around 3700 pounds. 2430 01:34:04,853 --> 01:34:06,063 It's by far the largest seizure 2431 01:34:06,063 --> 01:34:07,773 Ever made by the federal government. 2432 01:34:07,773 --> 01:34:11,068 In fact i would say it's 4 times the largest we've ever made. 2433 01:34:11,068 --> 01:34:12,778 Are you saying it will no longer be possible 2434 01:34:12,778 --> 01:34:14,196 To smuggle drugs into the United States? 2435 01:34:14,196 --> 01:34:16,323 No, we haven't said that. 2436 01:34:16,323 --> 01:34:17,407 What are you saying? 2437 01:34:17,407 --> 01:34:18,617 What claims do you make? 2438 01:34:18,617 --> 01:34:20,828 It's becoming progressively more difficult. 2439 01:34:20,828 --> 01:34:23,455 The good news is that Miami's runaway crime rate 2440 01:34:23,455 --> 01:34:25,499 Has been brought under control, 2441 01:34:25,499 --> 01:34:27,835 But there is now a full-scale commitment 2442 01:34:27,835 --> 01:34:29,586 On the part of citizens, government, 2443 01:34:29,586 --> 01:34:31,088 Police and our courts 2444 01:34:31,088 --> 01:34:34,007 To wage a battle against the criminal enemy. 2445 01:34:36,510 --> 01:34:38,220 Shut up! Shut up! 2446 01:34:38,220 --> 01:34:40,055 And it really was the beginning of the end 2447 01:34:40,055 --> 01:34:42,349 Of the cocaine cowboys era. 2448 01:34:42,349 --> 01:34:44,518 The murder rate has certainly come down since 1980. 2449 01:34:44,518 --> 01:34:47,354 There's been like a 50% decrease in the inner city 2450 01:34:47,354 --> 01:34:50,941 And about a 30% decrease in the suburbs. 2451 01:34:50,941 --> 01:34:52,651 So there was just too much police 2452 01:34:52,651 --> 01:34:54,361 And a lot of heat on tv, 2453 01:34:54,361 --> 01:34:55,529 So i told Griselda i said, "you know, 2454 01:34:55,529 --> 01:34:57,239 "It's getting real hot here, 2455 01:34:57,239 --> 01:34:58,657 "Let's take a vacation somewhere." 2456 01:34:58,657 --> 01:35:00,534 She said, "yeah, you know, we're thinking about moving 2457 01:35:00,534 --> 01:35:03,745 "The operation to California. Rivi, are you going with me?" 2458 01:35:03,745 --> 01:35:05,873 I'm done with the killing, i got enough money, 2459 01:35:05,873 --> 01:35:07,541 I'm going back to chicago. 2460 01:35:07,541 --> 01:35:09,960 Now that we know, you know, in hindsight, 2461 01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,880 That she left the area back in around 1984, 2462 01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,008 Clearly the homicide rate went down in that time period. 2463 01:35:16,008 --> 01:35:17,509 I was happy to leave Miami 2464 01:35:17,509 --> 01:35:20,804 'Cause i knew all this heat that was around me, you know, 2465 01:35:20,804 --> 01:35:22,764 And she didn't wanna understand this. 2466 01:35:22,764 --> 01:35:24,433 Faced with the fact that the whole organization 2467 01:35:24,433 --> 01:35:27,394 Had relocated to California, 2468 01:35:27,394 --> 01:35:28,896 And i'm a Miami agent, 2469 01:35:28,896 --> 01:35:32,524 I had to convince my superiors that it was worthwhile 2470 01:35:32,524 --> 01:35:34,943 For me to investigate a case in California. 2471 01:35:34,943 --> 01:35:36,570 I knew it was just a matter of time 2472 01:35:36,570 --> 01:35:37,738 Before they came after us. 2473 01:35:37,738 --> 01:35:39,406 You know, i said, "if i ever get her, 2474 01:35:39,406 --> 01:35:41,992 "I'm gonna give her a kiss on the cheek." 2475 01:35:41,992 --> 01:35:43,702 So she went to California and started 2476 01:35:43,702 --> 01:35:45,204 Her business out there. 2477 01:35:45,204 --> 01:35:48,207 Rafa didn't wanna really send product out there 2478 01:35:48,207 --> 01:35:50,542 So she decided to become friendly with Marta 2479 01:35:50,542 --> 01:35:52,044 To get the cocaine. 2480 01:35:52,044 --> 01:35:53,754 She was a relative of the Ochoas. 2481 01:35:53,754 --> 01:35:55,798 "Well, i don't need Rafa, i can get everything i want 2482 01:35:55,798 --> 01:35:58,217 "This way," and she did. 2483 01:35:58,217 --> 01:36:00,469 And Max says to me "there isn't gonna be 2484 01:36:00,469 --> 01:36:03,388 "Any coke for a while because there's a big problem here. 2485 01:36:03,388 --> 01:36:05,349 "Griselda's decided she doesn't wanna pay 2486 01:36:05,349 --> 01:36:08,143 "For like 1500 kilos or something." 2487 01:36:08,143 --> 01:36:10,687 And i say, "well, what does that have to do with us?" 2488 01:36:10,687 --> 01:36:13,315 "Well, the Ochoas don't wanna send anything 2489 01:36:13,315 --> 01:36:15,484 "Until everything is straightened out." 2490 01:36:15,484 --> 01:36:18,278 So Griselda says, "i wanna kill this bitch." 2491 01:36:18,278 --> 01:36:20,781 I said, "who would that be?" She says, "this bitch." 2492 01:36:20,781 --> 01:36:22,783 Griselda's answer was if she killed Marta 2493 01:36:22,783 --> 01:36:24,117 There would never be any proof 2494 01:36:24,117 --> 01:36:26,078 Whether she gave the money to Marta 2495 01:36:26,078 --> 01:36:28,413 And Marta didn't send the money to her family. 2496 01:36:28,413 --> 01:36:29,832 I start telling Griselda, 2497 01:36:29,832 --> 01:36:33,210 I said "this is done, your business goes down the drain. 2498 01:36:33,210 --> 01:36:35,212 "Ain't no place for us to hide, nowhere in the world, 2499 01:36:35,212 --> 01:36:36,505 "They are going to chase you for the rest of your life." 2500 01:36:36,505 --> 01:36:37,881 "No, it needs to be done." And i said, 2501 01:36:37,881 --> 01:36:39,424 "This don't need to be done." 2502 01:36:39,424 --> 01:36:41,885 That was her out-- "I'm just gonna kill Marta 2503 01:36:41,885 --> 01:36:43,971 "And then i'm gonna say i gave her the money 2504 01:36:43,971 --> 01:36:45,556 "And this way they can come to me, 2505 01:36:45,556 --> 01:36:47,683 "'I don't know where the money is, i gave it to her.'" 2506 01:36:47,683 --> 01:36:49,685 I told her, "Griselda," i said, "what are you gonna do?" 2507 01:36:49,685 --> 01:36:51,395 She said, "just kill her." 2508 01:36:51,395 --> 01:36:52,771 As soon as she walked in and she saw Griselda, 2509 01:36:52,771 --> 01:36:54,314 She shit on herself. 2510 01:36:54,314 --> 01:36:57,317 She said, "madrina, godmother, what have i done to you?" 2511 01:36:57,317 --> 01:36:58,986 Griselda says, "nothing." 2512 01:36:58,986 --> 01:37:01,029 She was kidnapped and then murdered and found... 2513 01:37:01,029 --> 01:37:02,447 On the side of the road. 2514 01:37:08,579 --> 01:37:11,915 Obviously she was blood marked, you couldn't kill Marta. 2515 01:37:11,915 --> 01:37:13,876 That's when another war started. 2516 01:37:13,876 --> 01:37:15,878 And this is what all blew up in her face. 2517 01:37:15,878 --> 01:37:17,254 Everybody turned on her. 2518 01:37:17,254 --> 01:37:19,006 Rafa, who was her best friend, flipped on her. 2519 01:37:19,006 --> 01:37:20,591 And i remember Rafa and everybody... 2520 01:37:20,591 --> 01:37:22,050 Everybody from the cartel, 2521 01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:24,052 Deciding, "well, i think we're gonna have to kill this woman." 2522 01:37:24,052 --> 01:37:26,638 There was a price on Griselda's head. 2523 01:37:26,638 --> 01:37:28,223 They told her, "whenever we see you, 2524 01:37:28,223 --> 01:37:30,100 "We're going after you." 2525 01:37:32,686 --> 01:37:34,188 Max getting in trouble, 2526 01:37:34,188 --> 01:37:35,814 That was the beginning of the end. 2527 01:37:35,814 --> 01:37:37,774 He knew he a had a problem. 2528 01:37:37,774 --> 01:37:40,652 He shouldn't have smoked it, but he did. 2529 01:37:40,652 --> 01:37:42,362 He didn't think it was coming to him. 2530 01:37:42,362 --> 01:37:45,407 Max calls me up, he says, "i think i got some heat, 2531 01:37:45,407 --> 01:37:48,577 "I'm getting in my car and i'm going for a ride, 2532 01:37:48,577 --> 01:37:51,121 "You stay on the cell phone with me." 2533 01:37:51,121 --> 01:37:53,665 "Okay, Max, i'll stay on the phone with you." 2534 01:37:53,665 --> 01:37:55,501 So Max gets in his car and drives out. 2535 01:37:55,501 --> 01:37:56,835 He gets out of his driveway, he says, 2536 01:37:56,835 --> 01:37:59,671 "Uh-Oh, they're coming from every direction." 2537 01:37:59,671 --> 01:38:01,256 I knew i was under surveillance. 2538 01:38:01,256 --> 01:38:03,467 The marked cars blocked off my path 2539 01:38:03,467 --> 01:38:06,261 And the next thing i know, i had 40 guns pointing at me. 2540 01:38:06,261 --> 01:38:07,679 End of the conversation. 2541 01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:10,516 And they arrested him, that was the last we saw of Max. 2542 01:38:10,516 --> 01:38:11,975 I got like millions of dollars 2543 01:38:11,975 --> 01:38:13,894 Buried in garbage bags in my lawn. 2544 01:38:13,894 --> 01:38:15,562 That night, i'm out there with a flashlight 2545 01:38:15,562 --> 01:38:18,398 Digging up bags of money 'cause i'm afraid they're coming. 2546 01:38:18,398 --> 01:38:19,983 And i lived on the everglades-- 2547 01:38:19,983 --> 01:38:22,069 I jumped into a canoe i had with like-- 2548 01:38:22,069 --> 01:38:23,821 I'm not exactly-- $6 million to $8 million, 2549 01:38:23,821 --> 01:38:25,405 Threw it in the canoe, paddled to the other side 2550 01:38:25,405 --> 01:38:27,407 And buried in the everglades 2551 01:38:27,407 --> 01:38:28,992 Thinking they're coming to my house. 2552 01:38:28,992 --> 01:38:30,911 Nobody came, nothing happened. 2553 01:38:30,911 --> 01:38:32,704 Nobody thought there was gonna be any problem. 2554 01:38:32,704 --> 01:38:34,122 Mickey and everybody said, 2555 01:38:34,122 --> 01:38:35,666 "Well, i haven't seen any problems with 2556 01:38:35,666 --> 01:38:37,042 "The last plane that landed, 2557 01:38:37,042 --> 01:38:38,418 "You know, everything seemed to be fine." 2558 01:38:38,418 --> 01:38:40,337 I said, "okay, well, then let's just keep going 2559 01:38:40,337 --> 01:38:42,422 "Until we find out." 2560 01:38:42,422 --> 01:38:45,509 Jon said there was no reason to be worried. 2561 01:38:45,509 --> 01:38:47,427 We thought Jon was so smart. 2562 01:38:53,684 --> 01:38:55,394 I remember september 20th, 2563 01:38:55,394 --> 01:38:57,604 For the simple reason that i couldn't sleep. 2564 01:38:57,604 --> 01:38:59,314 At that particular night i was working 2565 01:38:59,314 --> 01:39:01,150 With mickey and his crew. 2566 01:39:01,150 --> 01:39:03,944 And because i couldn't sleep, i decided that i would go 2567 01:39:03,944 --> 01:39:06,321 To a radio room that we had set up 2568 01:39:06,321 --> 01:39:09,116 Here in Miami to monitor the incoming planes. 2569 01:39:09,116 --> 01:39:11,577 It was the regular trips, the only thing that was unusual, 2570 01:39:11,577 --> 01:39:12,995 And it should have given it away, 2571 01:39:12,995 --> 01:39:14,413 It was real quiet on the radio, 2572 01:39:14,413 --> 01:39:16,957 'Cause they know that we listened to everything. 2573 01:39:16,957 --> 01:39:18,917 To tell you the truth, i looked around when i drove off 2574 01:39:18,917 --> 01:39:20,794 Because i was still paranoid from Max 2575 01:39:20,794 --> 01:39:23,714 And i saw nothing, nothing at all. 2576 01:39:23,714 --> 01:39:26,717 Um...everything went as usual. 2577 01:39:26,717 --> 01:39:29,303 The plane landed, i said, "oh, man, another good trip. 2578 01:39:29,303 --> 01:39:31,263 "I'm going home, i feel great." 2579 01:39:31,263 --> 01:39:32,514 And as soon as the airplane landed 2580 01:39:32,514 --> 01:39:34,016 And went in the barn, 2581 01:39:34,016 --> 01:39:36,310 They showed up in helicopters and all kinds of people 2582 01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:38,145 Jumped out with guns everywhere. 2583 01:39:38,145 --> 01:39:40,147 Step down slowly, keep your hands in the air! 2584 01:39:40,147 --> 01:39:41,356 Hands where i can see them! 2585 01:39:41,356 --> 01:39:42,816 I heard a noise, 2586 01:39:42,816 --> 01:39:46,111 It was like the place was hit with lightning or thunder. 2587 01:39:46,111 --> 01:39:49,364 And the guys that were in the airplane, they all ran. 2588 01:39:49,364 --> 01:39:51,116 And they just drove this truck 2589 01:39:51,116 --> 01:39:53,410 Probably 60 miles an hour through the front door. 2590 01:39:53,410 --> 01:39:56,538 It was a simultaneous bust, tampa with Miami. 2591 01:39:56,538 --> 01:39:58,290 They came in there all in black 2592 01:39:58,290 --> 01:40:00,626 And with these night goggles and masks 2593 01:40:00,626 --> 01:40:02,961 And it was like, i said, "what am i, back in vietnam? 2594 01:40:02,961 --> 01:40:04,588 "You know, this is nuts." 2595 01:40:04,588 --> 01:40:05,923 I went out the back door. 2596 01:40:05,923 --> 01:40:07,800 "What, am i gonna shoot it out with you guys?" 2597 01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,843 Had a small confrontation with one of the guys... 2598 01:40:09,843 --> 01:40:12,012 "Get on the floor and shut up!" "Yeah, all right." 2599 01:40:12,012 --> 01:40:13,388 And they looked at me at first, 2600 01:40:13,388 --> 01:40:17,893 And i'll never forget, "Roberts! What are you doing here?" 2601 01:40:17,893 --> 01:40:19,686 And i said "i guess i fucked up, huh?" 2602 01:40:19,686 --> 01:40:21,188 And he said, "you fucked up, man. 2603 01:40:21,188 --> 01:40:22,606 "We would have come to your house later, 2604 01:40:22,606 --> 01:40:24,733 "But what you're doing you made it easy for us." 2605 01:40:24,733 --> 01:40:29,279 "I couldn't sleep, man." He said, "well, it's too bad." 2606 01:40:29,279 --> 01:40:32,157 And when i got downtown, i heard on the radio, 2607 01:40:32,157 --> 01:40:34,243 "There's shooting! There's gunfire! Bang! 2608 01:40:34,243 --> 01:40:35,953 "There's all kinds of war!" I said, 2609 01:40:35,953 --> 01:40:38,163 "What's going on here? Is this involving me?" 2610 01:40:38,163 --> 01:40:40,123 "That's your plane, that's your farm up there." 2611 01:40:40,123 --> 01:40:42,167 There's gunfire, there's shooting. 2612 01:40:42,167 --> 01:40:44,294 They were running all over, they were shooting guns. 2613 01:40:44,294 --> 01:40:47,881 "Your friend is shooting at us." My friend, mickey. 2614 01:40:47,881 --> 01:40:50,425 I tried to run in the airplane. 2615 01:40:50,425 --> 01:40:53,053 Mickey had a flare gun, and around the plane 2616 01:40:53,053 --> 01:40:54,972 There were gasoline tanks which were used 2617 01:40:54,972 --> 01:40:57,099 To refuel the plane to get out of there. 2618 01:40:57,099 --> 01:40:58,100 I pushed one over. 2619 01:40:58,100 --> 01:40:59,476 Mickey wanted to escape, 2620 01:40:59,476 --> 01:41:00,936 So he shot the flare gun... 2621 01:41:03,730 --> 01:41:08,652 So i hit the swamp. I watched the show all day long. 2622 01:41:08,652 --> 01:41:10,237 They couldn't find him, and they were chasing him 2623 01:41:10,237 --> 01:41:11,989 Through the woods all night. 2624 01:41:11,989 --> 01:41:13,740 These people went nuts. 2625 01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:15,909 Early this morning, customs and F.B.I. agents 2626 01:41:15,909 --> 01:41:18,370 Began a round-up of 12 people authorities say 2627 01:41:18,370 --> 01:41:21,456 Helped transport nearly 20,000 pounds of cocaine 2628 01:41:21,456 --> 01:41:24,793 Into this country by sea and by air from Colombia. 2629 01:41:24,793 --> 01:41:28,130 One of the men behind the scheme was fugitive Michael Munday. 2630 01:41:28,130 --> 01:41:30,090 The Munday organization transported cocaine 2631 01:41:30,090 --> 01:41:31,467 From Colombia 2632 01:41:31,467 --> 01:41:33,469 Using aircraft making direct flights. 2633 01:41:33,469 --> 01:41:35,804 An aircraft in combination with small boats. 2634 01:41:35,804 --> 01:41:39,600 The aircraft dropped loads in the bahamas. 2635 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,310 It wasn't their cocaine and they didn't sell 2636 01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:43,979 Cocaine on the streets, all they did was transport 2637 01:41:43,979 --> 01:41:47,399 For other people and charge a fee for the transportation. 2638 01:41:47,399 --> 01:41:48,901 Basically, a contract service. 2639 01:41:48,901 --> 01:41:51,028 Many of those shipments were attached to a highly 2640 01:41:51,028 --> 01:41:52,237 Sophisticated homing beacon 2641 01:41:52,237 --> 01:41:54,907 That allowed the bad guys to find their drugs 2642 01:41:54,907 --> 01:41:56,867 When authorities were not around. 2643 01:41:56,867 --> 01:42:00,078 This transmits a radio signal 2644 01:42:00,078 --> 01:42:01,747 As well as having infrared light 2645 01:42:01,747 --> 01:42:05,334 So they can see it at night with goggles. 2646 01:42:05,334 --> 01:42:08,295 So this just shows how sophisticated they were. 2647 01:42:08,295 --> 01:42:10,339 Max Mermelstein became the witness 2648 01:42:10,339 --> 01:42:12,049 Who wants to talk about, among other things, 2649 01:42:12,049 --> 01:42:13,175 Murders in Miami. 2650 01:42:13,175 --> 01:42:15,052 We're going to debrief this guy... 2651 01:42:15,052 --> 01:42:18,347 And quite frankly, at first i didn't believe 2652 01:42:18,347 --> 01:42:22,684 75% of what he said, it was just too outlandish. 2653 01:42:22,684 --> 01:42:23,685 Max rolled. 2654 01:42:23,685 --> 01:42:26,021 He rolled over on all of us. 2655 01:42:26,021 --> 01:42:27,940 And started cooperating with them in jail. 2656 01:42:27,940 --> 01:42:30,609 I told Jon, he didn't believe, he didn't listen to me. 2657 01:42:30,609 --> 01:42:32,820 I told them from day one that Max was weak 2658 01:42:32,820 --> 01:42:35,239 That he would snitch on us later down the road 2659 01:42:35,239 --> 01:42:36,824 And you know, that's why i wanna kill him so bad 2660 01:42:36,824 --> 01:42:37,950 But they wouldn't let me, you know. 2661 01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:39,409 The government had no idea, 2662 01:42:39,409 --> 01:42:42,371 And, honest to god, if it wasn't for Max Mermelstein... 2663 01:42:42,371 --> 01:42:44,498 I don't think they would have ever caught us. 2664 01:42:44,498 --> 01:42:46,583 And filled in the gaps. 2665 01:42:46,583 --> 01:42:49,086 They knew nothing of where the farm was, 2666 01:42:49,086 --> 01:42:51,421 They knew nothing of our trips, 2667 01:42:51,421 --> 01:42:55,425 They knew nothing. We had been working for like five years. 2668 01:42:55,425 --> 01:42:57,678 Max was like family. 2669 01:42:57,678 --> 01:43:00,055 I never figured he'd do what he did. 2670 01:43:00,055 --> 01:43:01,682 They came the next day 2671 01:43:01,682 --> 01:43:04,393 And they busted our gate, and seized the house. 2672 01:43:04,393 --> 01:43:08,564 We were able to seize property in the value of $130,000,000 2673 01:43:08,564 --> 01:43:10,274 In the Florida area. 2674 01:43:10,274 --> 01:43:12,776 35 paso fino breeding horses 2675 01:43:12,776 --> 01:43:15,904 And 35 acres of ranchland in Marion county, Florida, 2676 01:43:15,904 --> 01:43:17,489 Was also confiscated. 2677 01:43:17,489 --> 01:43:19,491 This is front-page newspaper the next day, 2678 01:43:19,491 --> 01:43:21,118 And everybody was all over me. 2679 01:43:21,118 --> 01:43:23,036 I mean, people wanting to kill me 2680 01:43:23,036 --> 01:43:24,997 Because they said Jon owed them money, 2681 01:43:24,997 --> 01:43:26,707 People that had his money 2682 01:43:26,707 --> 01:43:28,459 Certainly weren't giving it to me. 2683 01:43:28,459 --> 01:43:32,296 And Max made the indictment against Mickey and me. 2684 01:43:32,296 --> 01:43:35,883 When i'm reading the indictments i'm also just like, holy shit. 2685 01:43:35,883 --> 01:43:37,301 I didn't realize that he was 2686 01:43:37,301 --> 01:43:39,678 Actually working with the cartel. 2687 01:43:39,678 --> 01:43:40,971 I didn't know Rafa was in the car-- 2688 01:43:40,971 --> 01:43:42,431 I didn't know any of this. I mean, i'm not saying 2689 01:43:42,431 --> 01:43:44,892 I didn't know anything. I'm just saying nobody realized 2690 01:43:44,892 --> 01:43:48,020 The magnitude of what Jon was involved in. 2691 01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:50,898 You get on the trip where you are making so much money 2692 01:43:50,898 --> 01:43:52,107 That you are just so powerful 2693 01:43:52,107 --> 01:43:54,151 That nothing was gonna-- It wasn't gonna happen. 2694 01:43:54,151 --> 01:43:58,405 And i remember the day he was, you know, sitting in the chair 2695 01:43:58,405 --> 01:43:59,823 Crying like a baby that he had to leave 2696 01:43:59,823 --> 01:44:01,950 Everything he loved and... 2697 01:44:01,950 --> 01:44:05,829 I...i have nobody to blame but myself, nobody. 2698 01:44:05,829 --> 01:44:07,539 Time to go, you gotta go. 2699 01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:11,710 Every day i talked to her, and she said, "no, 2700 01:44:11,710 --> 01:44:13,337 "You know, he's not a rat." 2701 01:44:13,337 --> 01:44:14,880 I said, "he's working for the police, that's why 2702 01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:16,423 "I'm not near you 'cause you're gonna go to jail 2703 01:44:16,423 --> 01:44:18,258 "But i ain't going with you." "Oh, come to los angeles." 2704 01:44:18,258 --> 01:44:20,803 I said "no, no, i am all right over here." 2705 01:44:20,803 --> 01:44:24,848 We located a small house that they had rented. 2706 01:44:24,848 --> 01:44:27,059 We knew that she was in the residence 2707 01:44:27,059 --> 01:44:30,229 So we found her, and in we went. 2708 01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:32,356 I went upstairs and found her sitting in bed 2709 01:44:32,356 --> 01:44:34,900 Reading the bible, and i just walked up to her, 2710 01:44:34,900 --> 01:44:36,819 I obviously had my weapon drawn. 2711 01:44:36,819 --> 01:44:38,195 She was pretty startled. 2712 01:44:38,195 --> 01:44:41,907 You would never think that she was a violent, homicidal maniac. 2713 01:44:41,907 --> 01:44:43,450 They arrested her at home. 2714 01:44:43,450 --> 01:44:46,078 And then i gave her a little kiss on her cheek 2715 01:44:46,078 --> 01:44:49,248 As i promised i would to the agents 2716 01:44:49,248 --> 01:44:51,959 Many, many months earlier. 2717 01:44:51,959 --> 01:44:54,795 Police are saying she may be responsible 2718 01:44:54,795 --> 01:44:57,673 For as many as 200 murders-- 2719 01:44:57,673 --> 01:45:01,176 That over a period of more than a decade of drug wars. 2720 01:45:01,176 --> 01:45:03,679 Tonight, an arrest that could bring down 2721 01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:06,515 One of South Florida's most infamous crime figures. 2722 01:45:06,515 --> 01:45:08,350 Later they arrested her kids. 2723 01:45:08,350 --> 01:45:10,185 Everything crumbled for real, you know? 2724 01:45:10,185 --> 01:45:12,271 I'm just looking now for myself. 2725 01:45:12,271 --> 01:45:13,438 Everybody is in prison except me 2726 01:45:13,438 --> 01:45:15,023 And they're looking for me now. 2727 01:45:15,023 --> 01:45:17,151 About the same time, he and his brothers 2728 01:45:17,151 --> 01:45:19,820 Are at the airport in a stolen vehicle. 2729 01:45:19,820 --> 01:45:22,030 And they get stopped by the sheriff's office, 2730 01:45:22,030 --> 01:45:24,575 Resist arrest, they got cocaine on them, 2731 01:45:24,575 --> 01:45:27,578 So they are in custody. 2732 01:45:27,578 --> 01:45:29,663 Ever since then i've been in custody. 2733 01:45:32,499 --> 01:45:35,461 Eventually, the drug market was seriously 2734 01:45:35,461 --> 01:45:38,130 Dismembered by law enforcement. 2735 01:45:38,130 --> 01:45:41,133 A lot of that money kind of disappeared, 2736 01:45:41,133 --> 01:45:44,511 And as drug merchants were being prosecuted, 2737 01:45:44,511 --> 01:45:48,056 Convicted and imprisoned, a remarkable thing happened. 2738 01:45:48,056 --> 01:45:51,268 The businesses that they frequented and supported 2739 01:45:51,268 --> 01:45:53,312 Started drying up and closing down. 2740 01:45:53,312 --> 01:45:55,522 The sunshine state bank is out of business. 2741 01:45:55,522 --> 01:45:56,857 Sunshine state allegedly 2742 01:45:56,857 --> 01:45:59,026 Was bought with laundered drug money. 2743 01:45:59,026 --> 01:46:01,612 All the nightclubs dried up, 2744 01:46:01,612 --> 01:46:04,490 Car dealerships started to go broke, 2745 01:46:04,490 --> 01:46:06,116 Uh...jewelry shops. 2746 01:46:06,116 --> 01:46:08,994 The real estate buyers are deteriorating tremendously. 2747 01:46:08,994 --> 01:46:10,370 Their businesses as such 2748 01:46:10,370 --> 01:46:12,581 Have been suffering tremendously. 2749 01:46:12,581 --> 01:46:16,502 And that collapse created new opportunity. 2750 01:46:16,502 --> 01:46:18,587 The economy of Miami was kept together 2751 01:46:18,587 --> 01:46:23,175 By speculators who had made a lot of money in the drug trades. 2752 01:46:23,175 --> 01:46:25,677 If you were a car dealer whose sales went from 2753 01:46:25,677 --> 01:46:27,888 20 million a year to 60 million a year 2754 01:46:27,888 --> 01:46:30,432 For ten years, you've got an extra 2755 01:46:30,432 --> 01:46:32,810 Half a billion dollars kicking around. 2756 01:46:32,810 --> 01:46:35,604 It might not have been there 2757 01:46:35,604 --> 01:46:37,022 If you didn't have the horrors 2758 01:46:37,022 --> 01:46:39,650 Of the cocaine cowboys, absolutely. 2759 01:46:39,650 --> 01:46:41,401 Drugs destroy a community, 2760 01:46:41,401 --> 01:46:43,570 When you are dealing with street-level. 2761 01:46:43,570 --> 01:46:46,406 When you're talking about drug dealing on a level 2762 01:46:46,406 --> 01:46:48,242 Where major drug dealers 2763 01:46:48,242 --> 01:46:51,537 Are living here, vacationing here, buying homes, 2764 01:46:51,537 --> 01:46:53,288 Laundering their money and so forth, 2765 01:46:53,288 --> 01:46:56,416 That picks up the economy of a city or a community. 2766 01:46:56,416 --> 01:47:00,963 And a lot of the money secretly did go into infrastructure. 2767 01:47:00,963 --> 01:47:03,465 $2.3 billion worth of construction 2768 01:47:03,465 --> 01:47:05,843 Is currently under way in downtown Miami. 2769 01:47:05,843 --> 01:47:07,761 The general construction and everything 2770 01:47:07,761 --> 01:47:09,304 In downtown and on brickell. 2771 01:47:09,304 --> 01:47:11,140 Downtown development authority officials 2772 01:47:11,140 --> 01:47:13,725 Say another billion dollars' worth of construction 2773 01:47:13,725 --> 01:47:16,728 Will be in progress within the next 6 to 8 months. 2774 01:47:16,728 --> 01:47:19,273 Phew. It built half the city. 2775 01:47:19,273 --> 01:47:21,525 It built the high-rises, it built the scrapes. 2776 01:47:21,525 --> 01:47:22,943 This building boom they say 2777 01:47:22,943 --> 01:47:25,279 Will last for the next 10 years. 2778 01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:27,447 The drug trade saved Miami in a lot of ways. 2779 01:47:27,447 --> 01:47:30,242 If you look at this skyline, a lot of this real estate 2780 01:47:30,242 --> 01:47:33,954 Was built or bought or paid for with drug money. 2781 01:47:33,954 --> 01:47:35,664 This new construction means at least 2782 01:47:35,664 --> 01:47:39,835 25,000 additional jobs and an annual payroll in the millions. 2783 01:47:39,835 --> 01:47:42,212 The new condominiums, office buildings, and banks, 2784 01:47:42,212 --> 01:47:44,465 Will add an additional $20 million 2785 01:47:44,465 --> 01:47:46,800 To the city of Miami's tax base. 2786 01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:50,095 As you had the cocaine coming into Miami 2787 01:47:50,095 --> 01:47:52,848 And as you had the millions of dollars 2788 01:47:52,848 --> 01:47:55,601 Going into latin America, legitimate Miami 2789 01:47:55,601 --> 01:47:58,770 Also realized we're the gateway to the Americas. 2790 01:47:58,770 --> 01:48:02,441 The drug trade certainly put Miami on the map. 2791 01:48:02,441 --> 01:48:06,403 Newsweek has called Miami America's Casablanca. 2792 01:48:06,403 --> 01:48:08,822 What a contrast from 7 years ago. 2793 01:48:08,822 --> 01:48:10,949 One thing about the horrible publicity, 2794 01:48:10,949 --> 01:48:13,911 There was a lot of it. Miami was on everyone's lips. 2795 01:48:13,911 --> 01:48:15,078 Miami. Miami. 2796 01:48:15,078 --> 01:48:16,622 Miami. To Miami beach. 2797 01:48:16,622 --> 01:48:17,915 Everyone in the world. People said, 2798 01:48:17,915 --> 01:48:19,500 "You know, i've always wanted to go to Miami, 2799 01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:21,460 "Is it really like this? The beaches i see 2800 01:48:21,460 --> 01:48:23,712 "And the beautiful women and the nightclubs." 2801 01:48:23,712 --> 01:48:26,799 Woit's called club 1235. It's the place where 2802 01:48:26,799 --> 01:48:29,468 That big Miami vice bash was held saturday night. 2803 01:48:29,468 --> 01:48:32,554 We were on tv every friday night primetime 2804 01:48:32,554 --> 01:48:33,972 With Miami vice. 2805 01:48:33,972 --> 01:48:39,144 The storylines were based entirely on drug trafficking. 2806 01:48:39,144 --> 01:48:41,688 Miami vice may not enhance the city's image 2807 01:48:41,688 --> 01:48:44,650 But it's doing great things for the local economy. 2808 01:48:44,650 --> 01:48:49,571 Don Johnson and Miami vice and al pacino in Scarface, 2809 01:48:49,571 --> 01:48:51,073 It was alluring. 2810 01:48:51,073 --> 01:48:53,784 This is Miami, things are more relaxed. 2811 01:48:53,784 --> 01:48:56,203 It was interesting because when Miami vice came out 2812 01:48:56,203 --> 01:48:59,581 They would find an old dilapidated or abandoned hotel 2813 01:48:59,581 --> 01:49:01,458 Or a gas station on Miami beach, 2814 01:49:01,458 --> 01:49:02,918 They'd put in neon, they'd paint it, 2815 01:49:02,918 --> 01:49:04,461 They'd fix it up, they'd rehab it, 2816 01:49:04,461 --> 01:49:05,796 And shoot their scenes there 2817 01:49:05,796 --> 01:49:08,882 And leave a rehabilitated site behind. 2818 01:49:08,882 --> 01:49:10,467 And i think they made a lot of people 2819 01:49:10,467 --> 01:49:13,387 See what the possibilities were. 2820 01:49:35,159 --> 01:49:36,910 In the late '80s and early '90s 2821 01:49:36,910 --> 01:49:42,166 The European modeling industry discovered South Beach 2822 01:49:42,166 --> 01:49:43,709 And of course after the models 2823 01:49:43,709 --> 01:49:45,836 Come the wealthy European visitors 2824 01:49:45,836 --> 01:49:47,421 Who were chasing the models. 2825 01:49:47,421 --> 01:49:50,007 And we ended up getting the glitterati. 2826 01:49:50,007 --> 01:49:52,718 It reminds me of greenwich village 1965 2827 01:49:52,718 --> 01:49:55,387 Because it's happening and it's new. 2828 01:49:55,387 --> 01:49:57,389 Then the paparazzi took it from there 2829 01:49:57,389 --> 01:49:59,099 And created a phenomenon. 2830 01:49:59,099 --> 01:50:03,145 Took it from the predominantly sleepy vacation spot 2831 01:50:03,145 --> 01:50:08,442 To a thriving international capital of the Americas. 2832 01:50:08,442 --> 01:50:13,113 And the world again started to flock to Miami and we made it. 2833 01:50:13,113 --> 01:50:14,573 I think we could have had a renaissance 2834 01:50:14,573 --> 01:50:16,575 Without so many people having to die for it. 2835 01:50:16,575 --> 01:50:18,535 I could have lived without it. And so could 2836 01:50:18,535 --> 01:50:19,912 A lot of other people lived without 2837 01:50:19,912 --> 01:50:23,415 The enormous contribution of money to this community. 2838 01:50:23,415 --> 01:50:25,459 There was too much collateral damage. 2839 01:50:25,459 --> 01:50:28,378 I don't think the economic benefits 2840 01:50:28,378 --> 01:50:32,049 Were worth the cost on society. 2841 01:50:32,049 --> 01:50:35,427 I still love Miami, but i think i love it more 2842 01:50:35,427 --> 01:50:38,180 For what it was before the cocaine wars, 2843 01:50:38,180 --> 01:50:40,516 I mean, at what price a skyline? 2844 01:50:40,516 --> 01:50:45,145 How many people have to die for a shiny skyline? 2845 01:50:45,145 --> 01:50:48,273 It wasn't worth it, too many people died for it. 2846 01:50:48,273 --> 01:50:52,444 But Miami honestly couldn't be where it is now 2847 01:50:52,444 --> 01:50:53,821 Without having to go through the horrors 2848 01:50:53,821 --> 01:50:55,823 And tragedies of the '70s and '80s. 2849 01:50:55,823 --> 01:50:59,326 Today, people kinda get a kick out of talking about 2850 01:50:59,326 --> 01:51:03,288 How they survived the '70s and '80s in Miami. 2851 01:51:05,374 --> 01:51:07,084 I came back here 'cause i had to come back here. 2852 01:51:07,084 --> 01:51:08,710 I had no choice. 2853 01:51:14,842 --> 01:51:16,593 And when i first got out, i'll never forget, 2854 01:51:16,593 --> 01:51:18,387 I went to the hotel on South Beach, 2855 01:51:18,387 --> 01:51:20,389 It was called the surfcomber, and the first morning 2856 01:51:20,389 --> 01:51:22,391 I woke up, i remember going to the beach. 2857 01:51:22,391 --> 01:51:25,060 I was laying here and here comes this girl out of the water, 2858 01:51:25,060 --> 01:51:26,186 And as she's walking out of the water, 2859 01:51:26,186 --> 01:51:27,938 I see she's got no top on. 2860 01:51:27,938 --> 01:51:29,106 And you gotta realize, 2861 01:51:29,106 --> 01:51:30,983 I'm in jail now 11 years or something 2862 01:51:30,983 --> 01:51:32,484 And i'm looking at this girl with no top on, 2863 01:51:32,484 --> 01:51:34,236 I'm saying, "my god." I got scared. 2864 01:51:34,236 --> 01:51:36,780 I ran back to the room and i wouldn't even come out 2865 01:51:36,780 --> 01:51:39,575 Of the room for like a day, i was so like, "what happened? 2866 01:51:39,575 --> 01:51:41,952 "The world has changed here, you know." 2867 01:51:41,952 --> 01:51:46,498 This city had grown so much in the 12 years that i was gone. 2868 01:51:54,798 --> 01:51:56,675 I don't know, you know, times change. 2869 01:51:56,675 --> 01:51:59,970 Back then, we just didn't give a shit. 2870 01:51:59,970 --> 01:52:01,305 Miami back then was an open town, 2871 01:52:01,305 --> 01:52:02,598 It was completely different. 2872 01:52:02,598 --> 01:52:05,601 I mean, if you told me you wanna kill so and so, 2873 01:52:05,601 --> 01:52:07,519 All i ask you is just point him out to me 2874 01:52:07,519 --> 01:52:08,854 And i went and shot him. 2875 01:52:08,854 --> 01:52:10,397 Now it's not open anymore, 2876 01:52:10,397 --> 01:52:11,440 You know, it's a different town. 2877 01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:12,900 These days, i wouldn't do it. 2878 01:52:12,900 --> 01:52:15,235 I'd do it differently, totally different. 2879 01:52:15,235 --> 01:52:17,905 It's a much different city than i remember it. 2880 01:52:32,669 --> 01:52:34,671 And a lot of people i know, you know, 2881 01:52:34,671 --> 01:52:35,964 They're not around anymore. 2882 01:52:35,964 --> 01:52:37,508 My friends, that we grew up together, 2883 01:52:37,508 --> 01:52:39,885 They're all dead. They got killed. 2884 01:53:13,085 --> 01:53:15,921 I went to Miami, i pleaded guilty to the two murders. 2885 01:53:15,921 --> 01:53:18,924 A life sentence in his case to be served concurrently. 2886 01:53:18,924 --> 01:53:21,009 I've been here ever since. 2887 01:53:21,009 --> 01:53:24,429 As a result of the information given to us by Rivi 2888 01:53:24,429 --> 01:53:25,597 There were 14 different homicides 2889 01:53:25,597 --> 01:53:27,266 Closed on Griselda Blanco's organization. 2890 01:53:27,266 --> 01:53:29,560 When he flipped and told us chapter and verse 2891 01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:31,145 About all these different homicides 2892 01:53:31,145 --> 01:53:33,647 And how she ordered them, then she was done. 2893 01:53:33,647 --> 01:53:35,691 She was essentially our John Gotti 2894 01:53:35,691 --> 01:53:38,986 And Rivi was her "Sammy the bull Gravano". 2895 01:53:40,988 --> 01:53:43,282 The case against Griselda Blanco 2896 01:53:43,282 --> 01:53:45,659 Turned out to be like a total dud. 2897 01:53:45,659 --> 01:53:47,494 Incredibly disappointing and frustrating. 2898 01:53:47,494 --> 01:53:51,290 She ended up pleading to like basically a walk in the park. 2899 01:53:51,290 --> 01:53:54,126 Through the cracks, yeah. I thought we had her. 2900 01:53:54,126 --> 01:53:56,503 I mean it was shameful, what happened. 2901 01:54:05,637 --> 01:54:07,973 So once we lost Rivi, we lost the connection 2902 01:54:07,973 --> 01:54:10,392 Between the hit guys and Griselda. 2903 01:54:10,392 --> 01:54:13,729 Riverita created the case and destroyed the case. 2904 01:54:13,729 --> 01:54:16,815 Basically torpedoed one of the most significant 2905 01:54:16,815 --> 01:54:20,360 Homicide investigations that i can even imagine being done. 2906 01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,905 During the course of her reign of terror, if you will, 2907 01:54:22,905 --> 01:54:27,868 She made a lot of enemies both here and in Colombia 2908 01:54:27,868 --> 01:54:29,536 And they haven't forgotten, 2909 01:54:29,536 --> 01:54:31,914 And they certainly haven't forgotten with respect to 2910 01:54:31,914 --> 01:54:34,291 Uber and Osvaldo. 2911 01:54:38,962 --> 01:54:40,297 The saying that live by the sword 2912 01:54:40,297 --> 01:54:42,424 And die by the sword is very true 2913 01:54:42,424 --> 01:54:44,510 In the business they were in. 2914 01:54:44,510 --> 01:54:48,180 And it's likely that if she's ever returned to Colombia, 2915 01:54:48,180 --> 01:54:50,766 That she'll meet the same fate. 2916 01:54:50,766 --> 01:54:52,142 There is certainly nobody more deserving of 2917 01:54:52,142 --> 01:54:53,310 The death penalty than she is. 2918 01:54:53,310 --> 01:54:54,770 She should be on death row. 2919 01:54:54,770 --> 01:54:57,689 But, i take a little bit of comfort in the fact that 2920 01:54:57,689 --> 01:55:00,776 At least until i retire, she'll still be in prison. 2921 01:55:00,776 --> 01:55:01,819 I can't say for how much longer, 2922 01:55:01,819 --> 01:55:04,071 But she will be... still be in prison 2923 01:55:04,071 --> 01:55:05,572 As long as i'm a cop. 2924 01:55:53,996 --> 01:55:56,081 When i moved to Florida i was in Orlando 2925 01:55:56,081 --> 01:55:57,791 In disney world with my kids, you know, 2926 01:55:57,791 --> 01:55:59,084 I was talking to these people from Germany. 2927 01:55:59,084 --> 01:56:01,503 "Oh, you're from Miami, oh, my god." 2928 01:56:01,503 --> 01:56:02,880 "What's wrong with Miami?" 2929 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:04,798 "Oh, my god, they kill people there every day. 2930 01:56:04,798 --> 01:56:06,216 "We're watching the news in Europe." 2931 01:56:06,216 --> 01:56:08,469 And i said, "yeah, man, they do, very dangerous town." 2932 01:56:08,469 --> 01:56:10,554 "Oh, i'm not going there on vacation." 2933 01:56:10,554 --> 01:56:12,306 My wife was just looking at me like... 2934 01:56:12,306 --> 01:56:14,516 If you only knew. 2935 01:56:14,516 --> 01:56:16,226 But the thing i wanted to know was 2936 01:56:16,226 --> 01:56:17,936 What happened to all the money. 2937 01:56:21,648 --> 01:56:23,317 The invasion came before dawn 2938 01:56:23,317 --> 01:56:24,568 When us fighter jets 2939 01:56:24,568 --> 01:56:26,987 Bombed general noriega's military headquarters. 2940 01:56:26,987 --> 01:56:28,363 He utilized his position 2941 01:56:28,363 --> 01:56:31,450 To sell the country of Panama to the traffickers. 2942 01:56:31,450 --> 01:56:32,701 When noriega went down 2943 01:56:32,701 --> 01:56:34,286 Through that bank in Panama, we lost 2944 01:56:34,286 --> 01:56:37,581 About $140 million between Max, myself, 2945 01:56:37,581 --> 01:56:41,084 Rafa, Ochoas, Escobar, everybody took a big chunk. 2946 01:56:41,084 --> 01:56:43,086 That's how come we lost so much. 2947 01:56:43,086 --> 01:56:44,421 'Cause i was in jail at the time 2948 01:56:44,421 --> 01:56:46,757 And there was no way to get your money out. 2949 01:56:46,757 --> 01:56:48,759 And the government seized all the money in that bank. 2950 01:56:48,759 --> 01:56:50,093 They took all money. 2951 01:56:51,094 --> 01:56:52,471 We went to a movie theater, 2952 01:56:52,471 --> 01:56:54,223 And got in line for about two hours to go and see 2953 01:56:54,223 --> 01:56:56,433 Scarface, the famous movie Scarface, 2954 01:56:56,433 --> 01:57:00,020 Myself and nine other guys, all ten killers. 2955 01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:01,480 Movie started, you know, 2956 01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:02,856 And all these attempts on him, 2957 01:57:02,856 --> 01:57:04,983 They came, they brought two Colombians to kill him, 2958 01:57:04,983 --> 01:57:06,819 And we were just laughing. 2959 01:57:06,819 --> 01:57:09,154 We would have had him. 2960 01:57:09,154 --> 01:57:11,782 If it was taking place in real life, 2961 01:57:11,782 --> 01:57:13,116 We would have got him. 2962 01:57:15,202 --> 01:57:17,329 On february 3rd, 2006, 2963 01:57:17,329 --> 01:57:18,997 Miami attorney Samuel I. Burstyn 2964 01:57:18,997 --> 01:57:21,166 Pled guilty to obstruction of justice charges 2965 01:57:21,166 --> 01:57:22,167 After being arrested at his 2966 01:57:22,167 --> 01:57:24,837 $4.8 million home on Sunset Island. 2967 01:57:24,837 --> 01:57:26,672 Prosecutors say he acted as house counsel 2968 01:57:26,672 --> 01:57:27,840 For a criminal organization 2969 01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,216 That imported and distributed 2970 01:57:29,216 --> 01:57:30,592 Cocaine and marijuana. 2971 01:57:30,592 --> 01:57:32,469 Burstyn, who is facing 20 years in prison 2972 01:57:32,469 --> 01:57:35,430 If convicted of all charges, will serve 42 months, 2973 01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:37,141 Forfeit his law license and give up nearly 2974 01:57:37,141 --> 01:57:40,018 $400,000 in cash and assets. 2975 01:57:40,449 --> 01:57:44,398 Captioning made possible by Magnolia home entertainment 2976 01:57:45,305 --> 01:58:45,490 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 240981

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