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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:30,110 --> 00:01:32,940 Georgios Papadopoulos: Dictator Yet once shall I attempt a comparison with doctors 2 00:01:33,070 --> 00:01:37,400 We have a patient; we've placed him in a plaster cast. 3 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:44,400 Dominique Strauss-Kahn: IMF Managing Director Don't decide against the doctor, sometimes the doctor gives you 4 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:48,000 a medicine you don't like, but even if you don't like the medicine 5 00:01:48,001 --> 00:01:50,201 the doctor is there to try to help you. 6 00:01:56,050 --> 00:01:59,390 As has been said before, history has this wicked habit 7 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,260 of repeating itself �as farce�. 8 00:02:02,270 --> 00:02:08,350 So, from a dictator/wannabe-doctor, we moved on to the MDs of the IMF. 9 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,130 Andreas Papandreou: PM of Greece 1981-1990, 1993-1996 Everybody has to join in the struggle, fully aware that 10 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:31,070 either the nation will obliterate its huge debt or the huge debt will obliterate the nation. 11 00:02:36,110 --> 00:02:40,150 Constantinos Mitsotakis: PM of Greece 1990-1993 This year's incomes policy will be strict and austere. 12 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:43,100 No raises will be given whatsoever. 13 00:02:46,570 --> 00:02:51,010 Costas Simitis: Greece PM, 1996-2004 There is no more room for benefits or tax cuts. 14 00:02:58,980 --> 00:03:02,090 Costas Karamanlis: PM of Greece, 2004-2009 We have to cut public spending, we have to tidy up our house. 15 00:03:02,180 --> 00:03:06,950 And this cannot be achieved with your empty promises 16 00:03:06,980 --> 00:03:10,160 of handing out money and privileges at a time of such crisis. 17 00:03:16,950 --> 00:03:21,950 Giorgos Papandreou: PM of Greece Unfortunately, our country is in the ICU. The nation's fiscal deadlock 18 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:28,120 threatens our sovereignty for the first time since 1974. 19 00:03:37,140 --> 00:03:40,150 In the last 40 years, two political parties, 3 families of politicians 20 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:44,540 along with certain businessmen, led the country to bankruptcy. 21 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,050 They declared suspension of payments to the people, in order to save their lenders. 22 00:03:57,110 --> 00:04:01,110 After decades of continuous austerity, the Czars of the economy 23 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:05,040 advertised Greece as the local financial superpower. 24 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,030 Yannos Papantoniou Minister for Finance 1994-2001 Our work is great. We were the first to solve the economic problems. 25 00:04:09,050 --> 00:04:13,180 N. Christodoulakis Minister for Finance 2001-2004 Once more, our economy will prove to be our strongest asset. 26 00:04:14,590 --> 00:04:20,010 Yannos Papantoniou Minister for Finance 1994-2001 The economy sprang forward and went from second to first league. 27 00:04:20,190 --> 00:04:24,990 When their creation crumbled, those people said behind our back 28 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,940 that, due to some genetic disorder, we were incapable of handling 29 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,300 our economy without foreign aid. 30 00:04:33,050 --> 00:04:36,500 Perhaps Americans may find it difficult to understand this 31 00:04:36,550 --> 00:04:40,300 but Greece lacks hability in control of ?? and discipline. 32 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:48,900 Our government called us bums, and our lenders �PIIGS�... 33 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,940 as was the case with all peripheral EU countries. 34 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:58,000 And our ministers tried to convince us that all of us had a part in this. 35 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:04,900 Brian Lenihan Ireland's Minister of Finance 2008-2011 I accept that we failed into our political system 36 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,111 but let's be fair about it, we're all part of it. 37 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:21,140 Theodoros Pangalos Vice-president of the Greek government The answer to the denouncement of the country's politicians 38 00:05:21,140 --> 00:05:25,180 that makes people ask us, �what did you do with the money?� is: 39 00:05:25,180 --> 00:05:31,070 We made you civil servants! We all had a part in this! 40 00:05:33,190 --> 00:05:37,170 So are we the prodigal children of a neat global economy 41 00:05:37,171 --> 00:05:39,670 in an all-successful Europe? 42 00:05:39,671 --> 00:05:45,000 Or has the system been ailing since its youth? 43 00:06:23,020 --> 00:06:28,070 Capitalist economy in the post-war period consists of two parts. 44 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:38,020 Costas Lapavitsas Professor in Economics In the first 25 years after World War II, the growth rate was high. 45 00:06:38,020 --> 00:06:45,130 Real income rose, as did the consumption of goods. 46 00:06:45,130 --> 00:06:52,050 Those were novel circumstances in the history of capitalism. 47 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,100 Joe is the king because he can buy more with his wages 48 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,720 then any other worker on the blow. 49 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:06,200 David Harvey - Social scientist There's no such thing as a crisis free capitalism. 50 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:09,210 So, there's gonna be a crisis somewhere. 51 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:19,040 This happy period ended in the mid-Seventies. 52 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,170 From then on, we entered a period of low growth, recurrent crises... 53 00:07:24,170 --> 00:07:32,190 suppressed, if any, rises in workers' income� and high unemployment. 54 00:07:32,190 --> 00:07:38,190 Mature capitalist countries found it difficult... 55 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:40,190 to accrue wealth. 56 00:07:40,190 --> 00:07:40,190 This period was marked by a huge growth in the financial system 57 00:07:40,190 --> 00:07:40,190 which was termed financialisation. 58 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:54,110 Financialisation brought on and intensified the crises. 59 00:10:08,070 --> 00:10:11,050 When the US housing bubble burst 60 00:10:11,050 --> 00:10:15,180 the financial system came close to total collapse. 61 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:21,970 As a result, it affected the real economy, which had its own structural problems. 62 00:10:31,170 --> 00:10:35,050 States took rescue measures. They used tax-payers' money 63 00:10:35,050 --> 00:10:35,050 to save the banks and restore demand. 64 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:42,110 Thus, the financial crisis went fiscal. 65 00:10:42,110 --> 00:10:46,000 And those same banks which were saved by the tax-payers 66 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,950 decided to bite the hand that fed them, by gambling on state bankruptcies. 67 00:10:55,180 --> 00:10:58,060 Speculation makes things worse in Greece, too. 68 00:10:58,060 --> 00:11:01,990 Only, this time, the problem is even deeper. 69 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:10,990 It's time for the Eurozone to pay. 70 00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:16,970 King Euro proves naked, mainly because he's a king without a state. 71 00:11:19,090 --> 00:11:20,970 Samir Amin - Economist - There cannot be a currency without a state. 72 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:24,130 Despite their weaknesses, the advantage of the US dollar... 73 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:29,130 among other things, is that there is a state called the USA. 74 00:11:29,130 --> 00:11:34,170 Europe does not exist as a political entity. 75 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:41,050 There's no legitimized political power connecting its states. 76 00:11:41,050 --> 00:11:45,110 In my opinion, the Eurozone is not viable. 77 00:11:48,990 --> 00:11:52,070 In contrast to the USA, where the federal government 78 00:11:52,070 --> 00:11:55,150 and the Federal Reserve System intervene to ameliorate inequalities 79 00:11:55,150 --> 00:11:59,010 among states, the Eurozone accentuates inequality. 80 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:04,170 This is how the PIIGS, the poor relatives of the EU, came into existence. 81 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,090 The Eurozone is divided distinctly into central and peripheral states. 82 00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:18,130 The crisis is most intense in the peripheral states. 83 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:29,140 The central states, especially Germany, are winners because of the Euro. 84 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:33,030 The competitiveness of EU states came to vary a lot 85 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:38,010 and the competitiveness of peripheral countries fell steadily and systematically behind. 86 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:41,990 This was directly due to the Euro. 87 00:12:53,130 --> 00:13:01,110 �ric Toussaint, president of the Committee for the Abolition of Third World Debt - The crisis in the EU was a result of the way Europe was integrated. 88 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:10,070 With Greece, it's like putting Muhammad Ali 89 00:13:10,070 --> 00:13:15,020 the World Heavyweight Champion, in the ring with a featherweight boxer 90 00:13:15,020 --> 00:13:19,170 and telling them: �Start fighting and let's see who wins�. 91 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:26,140 Why are the peripheral countries lagging behind in competitiveness? 92 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:29,990 Most of all, what causes this divergence to keep increasing? 93 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,190 The myth of the "lazy periphery" and "industrious Germany"... 94 00:13:47,190 --> 00:13:53,080 with its "high productivity" is just that. All the German governments managed 95 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,140 was to declare war on their own work-force... 96 00:13:56,140 --> 00:13:59,960 and freeze their salaries for a decade. 97 00:14:08,970 --> 00:14:17,090 Sahra Wagenknecht - Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke - In recent years, the nominal increase in salaries was 7% (in Germany) 98 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:20,020 while in the Eurozone it was 27%. 99 00:14:20,020 --> 00:14:24,130 This gap logically results in loss of competitiveness in other countries. 100 00:14:24,130 --> 00:14:31,170 When salaries go down in one country, while they go up in all the others 101 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:31,170 it's only natural that the competitiveness of the German economy is boosted 102 00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:38,950 while the other countries are unable to follow. 103 00:14:38,950 --> 00:14:44,160 The Eurozone countries are no longer able to devaluate their currency. 104 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,130 This resulted in the establishment of a mechanism 105 00:14:47,130 --> 00:14:51,190 which was bound to lead to the results we have today. 106 00:15:26,060 --> 00:15:30,040 Costas Lapavitsas - Professor in Economics: - The loss of competitiveness manifested itself in two ways 107 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,110 both of which played a decisive part in the crisis. 108 00:15:32,110 --> 00:15:37,010 Firstly, great deficits occurred in current transactions. 109 00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:43,030 And Greece had the greatest deficit of all. When you're unable to compete 110 00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:46,100 your transactions with the rest of the world result in a deficit. 111 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,050 And Greece�s deficit is huge. 112 00:15:48,050 --> 00:15:51,990 But this goes for the other peripheral countries, as well. 113 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:57,170 This phenomenon went hand-in-hand with the accruing of debt. 114 00:15:57,170 --> 00:16:02,060 If you have such deficits, you must balance them somehow. 115 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,040 In the EU, Greece is the poor relative. 116 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:17,050 Greece belongs to the European Continent's semi-peripheral countries. 117 00:16:22,050 --> 00:16:29,110 It's evident that Greece was bound to accrue national debt 118 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:33,060 given the circumstances of its integration into European markets. 119 00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:37,180 I won't even bother with the rumour that Greeks are lazy. 120 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:39,040 That's pure racism. 121 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,000 The Eurozone destroys the immune system of peripheral countries 122 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,020 leaving them exposed to the global crisis. 123 00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:59,110 The Achilles' heel of those countries is deficit and debt. 124 00:16:59,110 --> 00:17:03,110 In our case, the debt is rooted 125 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:06,060 deep in the history of the Greek state. 126 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:15,140 Manolis Glezos - historical figure of the Greek Left - From the time of the Revolution of 1821, our country 127 00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:20,160 started borrowing. And it's been borrowing ever since. 128 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,030 With one exception. 129 00:17:22,030 --> 00:17:30,980 During an extraordinarily "happy" period, Greece managed to become a lender. 130 00:17:30,980 --> 00:17:33,960 During the German Occupation, Greece lent to Germany. 131 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,080 The Germans forced Greece to become a lender instead of a borrower. 132 00:17:43,030 --> 00:17:47,150 After the German Occupation ended, the country resumed its traditional role; 133 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:49,030 that of a borrower. 134 00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:54,950 And national debt as we know it, started to rise in the 1980s. 135 00:17:57,170 --> 00:17:59,970 The high levels of national borrowing in Greece 136 00:17:59,970 --> 00:18:03,180 relate to Greece's social and class structure 137 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:07,980 and the form the Greek economy has assumed over the last few decades. 138 00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:12,130 It has to do with the Greek state's systematic inability 139 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:19,130 to implement an effective and fair system of taxation. 140 00:18:19,130 --> 00:18:22,130 (History of Greek sovereign debt) 141 00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:26,850 Andreas Papandreou created the necessary welfare state 142 00:18:26,940 --> 00:18:30,850 without increasing corporate and high income taxes. 143 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:34,850 He saved jobs by nationalizing loss-making private companies. 144 00:18:34,940 --> 00:18:37,850 Primarily though, he saved the companies' owners. 145 00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:43,850 Public deficit and sovereign debt increased dramatically. 146 00:18:43,940 --> 00:18:45,850 Mitsotakis� government continued to borrow. 147 00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:49,850 The Maastricht treaty imposed world markets as the only mechanism for deficit control, 148 00:18:49,940 --> 00:18:52,850 prohibiting other means of money creation. 149 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:58,850 Debt skyrocketed with the highest increase rate in Greek history. 150 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:03,850 Kostas Simitis was luckier. 151 00:19:03,940 --> 00:19:06,850 �Creative accounting�, the fall of European interest rates 152 00:19:07,940 --> 00:19:09,850 and economic growth were on his side. 153 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:09,850 This way, he was able to conceal the bomb 154 00:19:13,940 --> 00:19:15,850 that he placed on sovereign debt. 155 00:19:16,940 --> 00:19:19,850 During his premiership,the percentage of debt seemed to decrease slightly. 156 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:25,850 Kostas Karamanlis decreased capital taxation by 10%. 157 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:30,850 The economic free fall accelerated 158 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:34,850 and debt exploded once more. 159 00:19:57,940 --> 00:20:03,850 Most countries in a similar situation were visited by the IMF. 160 00:20:04,940 --> 00:20:07,850 But none paid as dearly as Argentina 161 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:10,850 Greece's mirror image on the other side of the Atlantic. 162 00:20:57,940 --> 00:21:00,850 Argentina fell into the debt trap at the same time as Greece 163 00:21:00,940 --> 00:21:04,850 in 1824, with the first British loans. 164 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:07,850 But the noose tightened towards the end of the 20th century. 165 00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:11,850 Argentina locked the rate of its peso against the US dollar. 166 00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:16,850 This made it impossible for them, to exercise a monetary policy. 167 00:21:16,940 --> 00:21:19,850 Argentina experienced its own Eurozone. 168 00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:24,850 Only, instead of Berlin, they were up against Washington DC. 169 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:31,850 M. Camdessus - IMF Managing Director, 1987-2000: 170 00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:37,850 At the same time, the IMF turned the country into... 171 00:21:37,940 --> 00:21:41,850 yet another experimental laboratory for Neoliberalism. 172 00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:45,850 (Excerpt from the documentary film The Take) 173 00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:53,850 Avi Lewis - Film-maker / Journalist: 174 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:23,850 Gerard Dumenil - Economist 175 00:22:45,940 --> 00:22:48,850 After Argentina's economic collapse in 2001... 176 00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:52,850 the IMF and its Neoliberal theories... 177 00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:56,850 became the laughing stock of economists all over the world. 178 00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:59,850 But some monsters never die. 179 00:23:31,940 --> 00:23:34,850 (I have 3 children and no job, please help) 180 00:23:37,940 --> 00:23:40,850 Greece will pay dearl for the intervention of the IMF. 181 00:22:40,940 --> 00:23:45,850 And, in some cases, she will even pay for it in advance. 182 00:23:46,940 --> 00:23:57,850 Ron Paul - Republican Congressman - 183 00:23:57,940 --> 00:24:04,850 Ben Bernanke Chairman of FED - 184 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:13,850 Argentina was confronted by the IMF alone. 185 00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:16,850 But Greece found herself serving two masters. 186 00:24:16,940 --> 00:24:21,850 Because, in Europe, Neoliberal theories were also being promoted 187 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:24,850 by the European Central Bank. 188 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Ironically enough, in the case of Greece 189 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,850 the IMF was softer than the EU. 190 00:24:49,950 --> 00:24:54,850 The measures applied in collaboration with the IMF, the ECB and the EU 191 00:24:54,940 --> 00:24:57,850 are not only unfair and dangerous to the Greek people. 192 00:24:57,940 --> 00:25:00,850 They're also doomed to fail right from the start. 193 00:25:00,940 --> 00:25:05,850 They have a tragic impact on the people's quality of life 194 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:08,850 and on their daily life even. 195 00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:12,850 And it's highly unlikely that they will have a positive effect 196 00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:16,000 on the economy in general, and the management of national debt. 197 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:28,850 Like in Argentina, the target was to save not the economy 198 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:30,850 but rather the banks and the big enterprises. 199 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:57,850 The measures taken now are stabilization measures 200 00:25:57,940 --> 00:26:02,850 to prevent Greece from proceeding to a cessation of due payments. 201 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:04,850 They are not measures which will reduce the debt. 202 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:10,850 It is more than obvious that the debt will continue to increase quickly 203 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:14,850 regardless of the measures, and, indeed, as a result of them. 204 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:18,850 The measures aim clearly to protect the lenders 205 00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:22,850 to protect the banks. 206 00:26:25,940 --> 00:26:29,850 Within a few months, the Greek government gave the banks 207 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:31,850 EUR 108 billion 208 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:38,850 which is almost the entire rescue package received from the IMF and the EU. 209 00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:41,850 (Excerpt from the documentary film Social Genocide) 210 00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:45,850 When Argentina faced a similar situation 211 00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:48,850 several of those responsible were punished. 212 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:52,850 The image of presidents leaving the presidential palace in choppers 213 00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:57,850 still haunts both the IMF and its collaborators. 214 00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:11,850 One magical night, just like in Argentina 215 00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:16,850 we'll see who gets to hop into the chopper first! 216 00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:16,850 Year #1 after the IMF intervention. 217 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:34,140 Greece has entered an intensive programme of "purging" procedures, "asset utilisation" 218 00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:36,140 "rationalisation measures" and "tidying up". 219 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:45,170 The delegates of the IMF, EUand ECB have taken up permanent residence in Athens 220 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:50,130 and are dictating their policy through an unconstitutional memorandum. 221 00:27:52,170 --> 00:27:58,130 Dominique Strauss - Kahn IMF Managing Director - 222 00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:12,130 What is Greece today? 223 00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:15,110 Are we a free country? Yes. 224 00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:21,100 Are we independent? No, we've been reduced to vassals. 225 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:27,180 Freedom is one thing, sovereignty quite another. 226 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:31,980 Our country's problem is that she has lost her sovereignty. 227 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:45,040 In splendid collaboration with their foreign lenders 228 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,150 the government has turned against the people with harsh austerity measures. 229 00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:49,150 The result is poverty, failed businessed, and unemployment. 230 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,170 We consider the centre of Athens to be 231 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:20,060 N. Kanakis : president - Doctors of the World � Greece - facing a humanitarian crisis. All the distinctive features are there; 232 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:26,150 people who are hungry or homeless, who lack medication and healthcare. 233 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:29,080 And they just wander around the squares. 234 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,050 It's not much different from what we see in Third World countries. 235 00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:39,980 You have to remember that we deal with the poorest of the poor. 236 00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:43,970 There are people who still maintain some social security rights 237 00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:47,950 but that is not enough, as a poor woman-pensioner indicated. 238 00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:52,950 She said: "I buy either food or medicine. I can't afford both". 239 00:29:57,010 --> 00:29:59,030 The government's measures are not simply worsening 240 00:29:59,030 --> 00:29:59,030 the citizens' living conditions. They pose an immediate threat to their lives. 241 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:22,090 Panos Papanicolaou: Neurosurgeon - In all of the countries "supported" by the IMF up to now 242 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:26,020 there has been a dramatic drop in average life expectancy 243 00:30:26,020 --> 00:30:29,130 It's what we usually refer to as the average lifespan. 244 00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:33,150 There were countries where, after the IMF ordeal 245 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:38,950 the average lifespan fell by 5-10 years. With the cuts we are facing now 246 00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:42,060 it's clear that our life expectancy will be greatly reduced. 247 00:30:59,950 --> 00:31:00,970 The citizens react. 248 00:31:00,970 --> 00:31:10,160 The government's response is in breach of even the basic principles of democracy 249 00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:23,190 The penalisation of wearing a hood, the unjustified arrests and 250 00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:27,090 the hood-wearing policemen, all border on the para-state. 251 00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:43,950 This liberality with tear-gas leaves us no money for free education 252 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,960 Alain Badiou Philosopher: Philosopher - Crises are always solved through measures against society and against the people 253 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,110 which may be particularly harsh. 254 00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:58,070 This is how capitalism controls the situation. 255 00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:03,950 The problem of capitalism is how to get these measures accepted. 256 00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:07,080 For that, violence is deployed. 257 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,000 In response to the "financial gale" alert 258 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,130 Democracy makes way for Debtocracy. 259 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:30,080 Poor people, don't eat each other. Eat the rich, they're plumper! 260 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:37,160 A crisis of capitalism causes extensive devaluation. 261 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,120 The value is lost through financial speculation. 262 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,110 Somebody has to pay for this devaluation. 263 00:32:46,110 --> 00:32:49,150 However, the capitalists do not intend to pay for it. 264 00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:53,960 They're not at all altruistic. 265 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:59,000 But if those who caused the crisis do not intend to pay for it 266 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,020 why should we pay? 267 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:10,170 In the past, dozens of countries have successfully repudiated debts 268 00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:15,080 not incurred by their citizens, in accordance with provisions 269 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,070 of the international law, such as the concept of odious debt. 270 00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:25,140 The history of odious debt [animation] 271 00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:32,850 Our story starts in the 1920s, with Alexander Sack. 272 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:35,850 Sack was a minister and law specialist in Czarist Russia. 273 00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:42,850 After the 1917 Revolution, he taught in universities of Europe and the USA. 274 00:33:42,940 --> 00:33:46,850 In 1927, he came up with a brilliant concept: 275 00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:49,850 the concept of odious debt. 276 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:54,850 In order to define a debt as odious, three prerequisites are needed. 277 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:58,850 1. The government of the country receives a loan 278 00:33:58,940 --> 00:34:01,850 without the knowledge and approval of the people. 279 00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:07,850 2. The loan is spent on activities not beneficial to the people. 280 00:34:07,940 --> 00:34:11,850 3. The lenders know of this situation 281 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:14,850 but play possum. 282 00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:19,850 Sack's proposals sound progressive, even revolutionary. 283 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:24,850 Actually, at that time, they served the interests 284 00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:24,850 of a rising superpower: the United States of America. 285 00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:33,850 The USA had found themselves in need of the "odious debt" concept in 1898 286 00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:38,850 when they won the Spanish-American war and annexed Cuba. 287 00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:41,850 Their problem was that, together with Cuba 288 00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:46,850 they acquired the debt incurred by the Spanish colonial regime. 289 00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:50,850 And, since Spanish colonialism had lasted four centuries 290 00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:56,850 from 1492, when Columbus set foot in America, till 1898 291 00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:59,850 that debt was quite heavy. 292 00:35:00,940 --> 00:35:04,850 Of course, the USA had no intention of paying for the mistakes of past regimes. 293 00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:08,850 They decided that Cuba's debt was odious 294 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:10,850 and simply refused to pay it. 295 00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:17,850 The same had happened in Mexico a few decades earlier. 296 00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:23,850 When the Republicans overthrew emperor Maximilian I 297 00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:26,850 they decided that the debt he had incurred was odious. 298 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:32,850 Maximilian had borrowed huge sums at excessively high interest rates 299 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:35,850 to deal with the uprising against him. 300 00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:41,850 And since he owed a lot, mainly to the people of Mexico 301 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:44,850 he was sentenced to death and sent to the firing squad. 302 00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:52,850 In the late 19th-early 20th century, most instances of odious debt 303 00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:56,850 concerned underdeveloped countries on the American continent. 304 00:35:56,940 --> 00:36:00,850 Actually, a rising superpower was involved in all those debt repudiations: 305 00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:05,850 the United States of America. 306 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:09,850 And this same superpower brought the concept of odious debt 307 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:12,850 into the 21st century. 308 00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:43,950 December 2002: the White House is putting the finishing touches 309 00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:47,060 to the planned invasion and occupation of Iraq. 310 00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:54,190 Before the attack starts, however, American officials 311 00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:58,990 are preparing for the day after Saddam Hussein's overthrowal. 312 00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:03,180 The State Department knows that they will have to deal with 313 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:07,190 Iraq's huge national debt. Therefore, they are trying to prove 314 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:08,950 that this debt is odious. 315 00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:18,980 A secret task-force is formed, and they propose that 316 00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:22,960 the first provisional government of Iraq declare cessation of due payments 317 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,040 on the pretext that the Iraqi people must not pay the odious debt incurred 318 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:33,150 by the Iraqi regime. All is now ready for the attack. 319 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,110 �ric Toussaint: President of CADTM - In March 2003, the USA and their allies invaded Iraq. 320 00:38:12,110 --> 00:38:19,180 Three weeks later, the US Secretary for the Treasury called for a summit meeting 321 00:38:19,180 --> 00:38:31,040 of G8 finance ministers in Washington, and announced that Hussein's debt was odious. 322 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:40,040 He said: "Hussein's regime is dictatorial and its debt must be repudiated". 323 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,020 "The new government of Iraq must be free of Hussein's debt". 324 00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:07,120 George W. Bush instructed former Secretary of State, James Baker 325 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:07,120 to convince the international community that Iraq's debt was odious. 326 00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:15,190 And Baker claimed that Saddam Hussein wasted his people's money 327 00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:18,130 on building palaces and buying arms. 328 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:25,190 Among other things, American diplomats proved that Iraq owed 329 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:30,070 billions of dollars to France and Russia, for the purchase of Exocet missiles 330 00:39:30,070 --> 00:39:34,050 and fighter aircraft such as Mirage F1 and MiG. 331 00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:41,990 Actually, Hussein's way was not that different 332 00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:46,950 from what many Western leaders do. To the Arabs, palaces are 333 00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:50,970 what the Olympic Games are to the West: a demonstration of economic 334 00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:53,060 and geopolitical dominance. 335 00:39:58,140 --> 00:40:01,170 The American diplomacy finally proved that Iraq's debt was odious 336 00:40:01,170 --> 00:40:05,090 and the Iraqi people were not obliged to pay it. 337 00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:09,950 However, Washington suddenly realised that they'd pried open a can of worms. 338 00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:14,990 For the first time in the 21st century, the ultimate superpower had legitimised 339 00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:19,030 the concept of odious debt. So, they chose 340 00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:22,120 to sweep this case under the carpet. 341 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:33,120 The other countries said: "We'll cut 40% off Iraq's debt through the Paris Club". 342 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:41,110 "But the concept of odious debt must not be used officially" 343 00:40:41,110 --> 00:40:48,970 "because other countries may claim this right as well". 344 00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:53,990 "For example, the DR Congo will repudiate Mobutu's debt" 345 00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:59,180 "the Philippines will refuse to pay the debt of dictator Marcos" 346 00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:04,040 "and South Africa will refuse the debt of the apartheid regime". 347 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:14,110 To prevent the extension of the concept of odious debt into the 21st century 348 00:41:14,110 --> 00:41:20,070 they reached an ad hoc decision on Iraq. 349 00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:25,170 However, it is obvious to us that the odious debt doctrine was used. 350 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:41,090 The USA continued to help Iraq to cancel old debts. 351 00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:44,160 But nobody in Washington ever wanted to hear again 352 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,990 the expression "odious debt". 353 00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:01,960 Iraq managed to write off a big part of its debt 354 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,080 with the support of an empire. But another country resolved 355 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,080 to stand on its own two feet and stand up against the IMF 356 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,040 and its other big lenders. They managed to prove that their debt 357 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,090 was not only odious, but also illegitimate and unconstitutional. 358 00:42:19,090 --> 00:42:21,180 Welcome to Ecuador. 359 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:58,970 Rafael Correa President of Ecuador - We have national commitments, more urgent than international ones. 360 00:42:58,970 --> 00:43:02,120 We'll fulfill our international obligations as soon as we are able. 361 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,180 But our priorities are clear. Life comes first, repaying debts second. 362 00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,190 Ecuador could have been one of the richest countries in South America. 363 00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,060 But, from the moment that oil was discovered... 364 00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:31,190 all the country knew was dictators, poverty, debt and economic hit-men. 365 00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:40,190 John Perkins: Activist, former economic hit-man - 366 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:22,110 In 1982, Ecuador was visited by the IMF and a committee of wise men 367 00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:27,180 representing the country's big lenders. Ecuador had been forced to borrow 368 00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:32,010 more and more, in order to fulfill past obligations. 369 00:44:33,980 --> 00:44:40,040 Hugo Arias: Head of Ecuador audit committee - Ecuador was constantly being looted by the countries of the North. 370 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:47,000 For example, from 1980-1990 up to 2005 371 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:56,070 almost 50% of the government budget was used to repay debts. 372 00:44:56,070 --> 00:45:04,140 Namely, about 3-4 billion US dollars a year. 373 00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:10,050 Only 4% was for health care. 374 00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:12,110 Four billion for repaying debts, 400 million for health care. 375 00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:12,110 Four billion for the debt, 800 million for education. 376 00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:30,010 We were killing our own people. 377 00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:40,950 The people of Ecuador protested. For a moment 378 00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:43,950 things appeared to be in control when Lucio Guti�rrez took over. 379 00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:50,110 Guti�rrez promised social benefits. He spoke like a socialist 380 00:45:50,110 --> 00:45:56,030 but, as soon as he took office, he made a new deal with the IMF 381 00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:59,080 and implemented measures of extreme austerity. 382 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:07,000 The people decided that he should leave with the same means of transport 383 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,050 favoured by Argentinian presidents: the chopper. 384 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,160 Vice-president Palacio takes over. 385 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,100 He has good intentions, but soon succumbs to Washington. 386 00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:28,980 So the people turn to the only politician who'd resisted international pressure. 387 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:31,010 Rafael Correa. 388 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,160 Song: una sola vuelta - From the first round 389 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,970 Correa, from the first round. 390 00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:44,020 Ecuador from the first round. 391 00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:47,010 Hope is triumphant. 392 00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:50,140 We are your united people. 393 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:50,160 We stand united. 394 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,060 March on, Ecuador Alliance. 395 00:46:55,060 --> 00:47:00,030 March on for justice. 396 00:47:00,030 --> 00:47:03,180 March on for your rights. 397 00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:08,150 March on, Correa, for Ecuador. 398 00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:12,140 From the first round 399 00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:15,950 Correa, from the first round. 400 00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:22,170 Ecuador from the first round! 401 00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:27,060 Correa studied economics in Europe and the USA 402 00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:31,060 and knows very well how to handle the World Bank and the IMF 403 00:47:31,060 --> 00:47:34,120 as long as one has the political will. 404 00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:40,130 As Minister of Finance, in 2005, Correa declared that it was unnatural 405 00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:45,190 to use oil revenues in order to pay back the debt. 406 00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:55,010 This was unfair to the people. He said that 80% of the revenues 407 00:47:55,010 --> 00:48:01,030 should be used for health benefits, education and the creation of jobs 408 00:48:01,030 --> 00:48:06,090 and only 20% should be channeled towards repayment of the debt. 409 00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:13,020 The World Bank said that they wouldn't lend to Ecuador if such a law passed. 410 00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:26,040 This was an obvious interference with Ecuador's internal policy. 411 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:37,030 Correa declared that he would never follow such instructions from the WB. 412 00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:42,110 He chose to resign rather than succumb. This made him very popular. 413 00:48:42,110 --> 00:48:51,990 The people said: "This man chose to resign from minister" 414 00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:56,990 "in order to defend the dignity and the interests of the people". 415 00:48:58,110 --> 00:49:02,980 Correa was finally elected in 2006. One of his first actions was 416 00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:06,040 to deport the representative of the World Bank 417 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:12,020 and ask the IMF delegation to leave the Central Bank's premises. 418 00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:16,180 Officials of the IMF such as Bob Traa, who later came to Greece 419 00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:21,010 had already been dubbed "unwanted" by the people of Ecuador. 420 00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:27,180 Those callous, dishonest bureaucrats have to respect our country. 421 00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:39,000 This is why we deported the WB delegate. We maintain the right to restore 422 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,080 the damage done to our country and declare our debt to the WB illegitimate. 423 00:49:46,110 --> 00:49:50,060 Six months later, Correa went a step further. 424 00:49:50,060 --> 00:49:52,190 He fulfilled the demand of social organisations 425 00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:54,150 for an Audit Committee. 426 00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,990 I was one of the people Correa chose for the Committee. 427 00:50:00,990 --> 00:50:08,000 18 individuals and 4 national organisations participated. 428 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:18,110 We were to examine all debt contracts, from 1956 to 2006. 429 00:50:18,110 --> 00:50:24,120 We worked for 14 months. We examined the bond debt 430 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:31,970 the debts to the IMF, the World Bank and other international organisations. 431 00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:39,040 We examined the debt to countries such as France, Japan and Germany. 432 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,000 Finally, we examined Ecuador's internal national debt. 433 00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:57,150 The battle to access the data was tremendous. 434 00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:02,970 In the Ministry of Finance, our associate Alejandro Olmos Jr 435 00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:09,990 and myself, were declared "personae non gratae". 436 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:16,110 The officials in the Ministry of Finance wrote to the Minister 437 00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:22,150 to complain and denounce both mine and Olmos' actions 438 00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:28,110 claiming that we were inflicting harm on the Ministry's employees. 439 00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:37,170 We laughed it off, but you imagine how difficult it was 440 00:51:37,170 --> 00:51:43,080 after we'd been accused of being the "bad guys" 441 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,130 in that procedure. 442 00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:49,140 Despite the setbacks, the Committee managed to complete its work 443 00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:53,190 and discovered that a big part of the debt was illegitimate. 444 00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:58,070 They acknowledged their findings to the state, who told the people. 445 00:51:58,950 --> 00:52:03,050 The work of the Committee was made public, and this is very important. 446 00:52:03,050 --> 00:52:17,130 The people of Ecuador now knew why the debt contracts of past regimes 447 00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:22,150 especially those of the year 2000, were illegitimate. 448 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,120 Song: "Dale Correa Rafael" - March on, Rafael Correa! 449 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,110 Our homeland is marching against 450 00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:30,990 the decadent Congress 451 00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:33,950 and the bureaucratic dictatorship 452 00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:35,160 of the old politicians. 453 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:35,160 Power belongs to the people. Your brother tells you so. 454 00:52:41,010 --> 00:52:43,160 The people of Ecuador want a new constitution. 455 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,180 March on, Correa. 456 00:52:45,180 --> 00:52:49,180 Correa, strike against the "bosses" who devastated our homeland. 457 00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:52,010 March on, Correa. 458 00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:54,030 March on, Rafael Correa. 459 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,970 Based on the findings of the Committee, the government proved that 460 00:52:59,970 --> 00:53:03,040 the debt was illegitimate and declared cessation of payments 461 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,130 for 70% of Ecuador's debt in bonds. 462 00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:11,140 Those in possession of Ecuador's debt sold bonds at 20% of their value. 463 00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:11,140 The government started to buy them secretly. 464 00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:33,080 They gave 800 million dollars and bought off 3 billion dollars of debt. 465 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:43,050 This significant reduction allowed an improvement in living conditions. 466 00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:57,130 Furthermore, they rid themselves of the interest they would have had to pay till 2012 or 2030. 467 00:53:57,130 --> 00:54:07,150 They saved at least 7 billion dollars, which was great for the country. 468 00:54:07,150 --> 00:54:13,100 This allowed the government to increase expenditure on health, education 469 00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:18,000 the creation of new jobs, and improvement in infrastructure. 470 00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:49,950 In Greece, historians, economists and political analysts 471 00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:54,150 use up tons of ink daily to tell us how to handle our national debt. 472 00:54:58,150 --> 00:55:02,000 Yet, there is one question very few pose. 473 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,080 Do the Greek people really owe as much as their creditors claim? 474 00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:23,080 The debt incurred by Greece recently bears evidence of illegitimacy. 475 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:38,180 For example, the authorities received "gifts" from companies such as Siemens 476 00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:50,190 who, together with Siemens Hellas, bribed ministers and officials 477 00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:56,110 for at least a decade, in order to gain contracts. 478 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:13,010 In this case, we have evidence of illegality and illegitimacy. 479 00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:19,180 So, this debt should be examined in court. To me, this is evident. 480 00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:25,020 Greek justice proved inadequate in the Siemens case. 481 00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:28,150 And it was too slow in other cases of deals 482 00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:33,090 made behind the people's back, which have increased the debt. 483 00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:55,990 With the infamous swaps of 2001, the government mortgaged the future 484 00:56:55,990 --> 00:57:00,990 to present a false prosperous present. They made the Greek debt look lower 485 00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:05,990 by changing a loan from JPY to EUR, using outdated exchange rates. 486 00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:10,020 They were assisted in this by Goldman Sachs, who made 487 00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:12,110 millions out of this deal. 488 00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:17,080 Mark Kirk: US Senator - 489 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,000 The trick worked for many years. And the Greek political elite 490 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,980 showed they could reward their allies amply. They re-hired 491 00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:46,140 Goldman Sachs as consultant and paid them with the people's money. 492 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:54,980 Jean Quatremer: Journalist, Liberation - Goldman Sachs consulted and attacked the Greek government simultaneously. 493 00:57:56,090 --> 00:58:00,000 The scandal was revealed in 2010. A few days earlier 494 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,070 a former employee of Goldman Sachs 495 00:58:02,070 --> 00:58:06,960 had been assigned leader of the Greek Public Debt Management Agency. 496 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:14,120 Hiring an employee of Goldman Sachs is like hiring a criminal. 497 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:20,190 It's the same as hiring a bank robber to guard your house. 498 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:26,980 You think that he knows how robbers think, so he'll be a better guard. 499 00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:34,040 But there's great danger that one day he'll rob you and vanish. 500 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,130 Who can guarantee to me that this former Goldman Sachs man 501 00:58:38,130 --> 00:58:41,970 will handle Greek affairs in the best possible way? 502 00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:48,050 Several countries blame Greece for her transactions with Goldman Sachs. 503 00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:52,020 Only these are the same countries who exploit their liaisons 504 00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:55,150 with Greek governments, to sell weapons to Greece 505 00:58:55,150 --> 00:58:58,020 at a good price. 506 00:59:00,170 --> 00:59:04,180 Sahra Wagenknecht: Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke - When, one year ago, Germany was negotiating to support Greece 507 00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:10,120 one of the main terms was that Greece would continue to import German arms. 508 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:18,160 Greece should cut down on pensions and social benefits, not on arms' imports. 509 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:26,030 This is indicative of the interests involved. Germany protects 510 00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:29,120 the interests of military equipment manufacturers, and its export industry. 511 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,020 Those people want to continue trading despite the crisis. 512 00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:48,950 Daniel Cohn-Bendit : president, European Greens-European Free Alliance - We're hypocrites! Last month, France sold 6 frigates to Greece for 2.5 billion. 513 00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:55,080 Also, helicopters worth 400 million and Rafale aircraft at 100 million each. 514 00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:03,110 I don't know if we sold 10, 20, or 30. The total cost is almost 3 billion. 515 01:00:03,110 --> 01:00:11,050 Germany sold 6 submarines to Greece, worth 1 billion. 516 01:00:11,050 --> 01:00:16,110 We're such hypocrites! We give them money so they can buy our arms. 517 01:01:16,110 --> 01:01:20,020 Before the hypocrisy of Europe, criminal back-downs come 518 01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:24,970 hand-in-hand with criminal decisions, always for "Greece's own good" 519 01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:31,120 or to support a new Greek expansionism that will lead to economic devastation. 520 01:01:35,050 --> 01:01:41,020 Giorgos Voulgarakis Minister of Public Order, 2004-2006 521 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,170 �ric Toussaint: President of CADTMT - here were huge expenses and the cost now burdens the people. 522 01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:41,130 The loans for the Olympic Games were paid with tax-payers' money. 523 01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:50,160 It's only natural that the people demand to know why the budget exploded 524 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,990 and where that money went. 525 01:03:07,070 --> 01:03:11,950 The Olympic Games and the corrupt transactions with Siemens or Goldman Sachs 526 01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:17,140 are but a small fraction of the shady deals made at the people's expense. 527 01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:21,190 However, there are more important matters which concern 528 01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:26,080 not only Greece, but all peripheral European countries. 529 01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:38,970 Costas Lapavitsas: Professor of Economics - Have all the rules which govern the issuing of bonds been followed? 530 01:03:38,970 --> 01:03:42,970 Also, are there any questions of legitimacy 531 01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:47,030 about the banks who played the main role for issuing bonds 532 01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:51,010 either in the primary or the secondary market? 533 01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:56,140 Which banks took part? How were they reimbursed? 534 01:03:56,140 --> 01:03:59,950 Under what terms and conditions did they participate? 535 01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:29,110 Sahra Wagenknecht: Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke - Part of the national debts incurred in Eurozone countries is illegitimate 536 01:04:29,110 --> 01:04:33,130 because they resulted from policies against the people�s interests . 537 01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:37,110 So these debts must not be paid by the people. 538 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:48,000 Ecuador demonstrated how all those illegitimate or odious contracts 539 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,040 can come to light through 540 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,990 an Audit Committee. 541 01:04:54,190 --> 01:04:57,100 Why don't they tell us what kind of debt this is? 542 01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,110 How much is it? How was it incurred? 543 01:04:59,110 --> 01:05:05,080 To whom do we owe money? 544 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:11,970 This is why an audit is necessary. An audit will define 545 01:05:11,970 --> 01:05:18,160 exactly what this debt is about. We have to know and denounce 546 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:23,130 all the lies told by the government and the corporations 547 01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:29,060 who seize the Greek people's money, and all those who get amply paid 548 01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:32,170 to parrot and praise the government. 549 01:05:39,010 --> 01:05:41,180 But who's going to set up the Audit Committee? 550 01:05:41,180 --> 01:05:45,050 And most of all, how can we make sure that it won't be 551 01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:49,000 yet another parliament committee, consisting of the same people 552 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,160 that got us into this situation? 553 01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:56,950 The Audit Committee's members should not be specialists. It's not necessary. 554 01:05:56,950 --> 01:06:00,050 Because if the government forms a committee of specialists 555 01:06:00,050 --> 01:06:08,950 even if they are called from abroad, even if ordinary citizens are included 556 01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:15,050 the committee may prove to be the government's mouthpiece. 557 01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:24,100 Only the people have the authority and the right to request an audit 558 01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:31,950 because they suffer the consequences. All Greeks must become involved. 559 01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:39,000 All social organisations must protest and demand an audit. 560 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:54,110 The Greek political parties ND and PASOK, who benefited from the creation of debt 561 01:06:54,110 --> 01:07:05,180 are very negative towards an audit, as their responsibility will be revealed. 562 01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:17,110 People, organisations, unions, judges, intellectuals, artists - everybody must act. 563 01:07:17,110 --> 01:07:26,980 They must express their views and exert pressure on political authority. 564 01:07:36,060 --> 01:07:39,160 In March 2011, a group of people from different backgrounds 565 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,120 took the initiative to demand the formation 566 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,130 of an Audit Committee in Greece. 567 01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:52,980 Academics, writers, artists, union representatives from all over the world 568 01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:55,060 supported this initiative willingly. 569 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,980 The Audit Committee will find which parts of the debt 570 01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:06,040 are odious or illegitimate 571 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,190 and will prove that, as provided by Greek and International Law 572 01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:13,060 the Greek people are not obliged to pay such debt. 573 01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:17,980 However, the decision is basically political, not financial. 574 01:08:17,980 --> 01:08:21,990 Even if the debt was legitimate, no government has the right 575 01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:25,950 to kill its people in order to satisfy its lenders. 576 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:31,110 Even if the entire Greek national debt of 350 billion proves legitimate 577 01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:34,000 which is clearly not going to be the case, Greece can never pay back. 578 01:08:34,050 --> 01:08:37,000 It will have to be cancelled. 579 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:42,190 If honouring the debt and making it sustainable involves 580 01:08:42,190 --> 01:08:47,130 dismantling health care, dismantling education 581 01:08:47,130 --> 01:08:51,130 dismantling the transport system, then the debt is socially unsustainable. 582 01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:31,980 Nobody is obliged to pay this debt 583 01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:38,960 since it was accrued because of corruption in the financial markets. 584 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,070 It's immoral to pay an immoral debt. 585 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,060 The formation of an Audit Committee, is ultimately 586 01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:57,150 just a valuable weapon in a broader battle. 587 01:09:57,150 --> 01:10:00,980 This battle will follow the traditional rules by which 588 01:10:00,980 --> 01:10:04,150 battles have been fought for centuries. 589 01:10:04,150 --> 01:10:08,020 Without this battle, even if we repudiate the debt repeatedly 590 01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:11,050 it will always rise from its ashes. 591 01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,990 This means that a field for ideological, political 592 01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:18,060 and class struggle will form. The debt is a result of class struggle. 593 01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:30,970 Don't hesitate to stand up for your rights against the EU and the Greek government. 594 01:10:30,970 --> 01:10:38,970 Respect is gained through struggle, not by obeying one's creditors. 595 01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:44,970 Look at Tunisia and Egypt. 596 01:10:44,970 --> 01:10:49,010 Only when the people take action can the situation really change. 597 01:10:55,010 --> 01:11:03,070 We have to shake off submissiveness, liberate ourselves from the IMF 598 01:11:03,070 --> 01:11:12,110 liberate ourselves from the ECB, and liberate ourselves from the EU 599 01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:17,980 because all three mean the economic slavery of Greece. 600 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,150 Giorgos Papandreou - Now is the crucial moment. 601 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,150 Let's go! 58436

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