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And I think Nike
knew that.
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Bengtson: You know, you had
this ready-made character,
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you know, and he could come in
and do these commercials,
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which were amazing
for their day.
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You know, it's like,
you go back and look at, say,
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Converse,
with the Weapon.
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They had all these guys, like,
do a rap commercial.
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♪ For the kind of moves
that never fail ♪
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♪ The Weapon's the choice
of Kevin McHale ♪
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♪ The same is true
for Mark Aguirre ♪
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♪ When I wear Weapons,
I'm on fire ♪
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♪ But what can the weapons
do for King? ♪
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♪ Why, I can do
just about anything ♪
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♪ You already know
what they did for me ♪
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ALL: What?
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♪ I walked away
with the MVP ♪
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Announcer:
Converse Weapon --
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The number-one weapon
in the NBA.
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And it's like, you're just being
too literal, almost. You know?
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And Spike and Mars,
they're coming out
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doing these
black-and-white ads,
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and like, they were debuted
during all-star weekend.
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And, you know,
I remember getting ready
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to watch
the NBA all-star game,
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and, like, I was excited
about the dunk contest.
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But I was super excited
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that there would be
a new Air Jordan commercial.
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Oh, money, money, why you want
to do that to me?
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Why you leave
me hanging?
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I got it.
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Oh.
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The big thing about what that
campaign taught us was, again,
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that you could have fun
with this stuff,
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and to look at
the athlete as, like --
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this sounds crass,
but as the product.
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What makes
this person unique?
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Why could only Jordan be in that
campaign with Mars Blackmon?
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Yo, Mike, what made you
the best player in the universe?
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Is it the vicious dunks?
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-No, Mars.
-Is it the haircut?
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-No, Mars.
-Is it the shoes?
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No, Mars.
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Knight: The big thing
in marketing of these shoes
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is that you've got to let
the kid know that you get it.
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But you can't do it
in an obvious, stupid way.
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You've got to do it
in a subliminal way.
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You sure it's not
the shoes?
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I'm sure, Mars.
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-What about the shoes?
-No, Mars.
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Using Spike Lee,
that's what that did.
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And you just knew right there,
just to see that,
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and that magic, you just went,
"This is gonna work.
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We're blessed."
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That's exactly
what I told Wieden
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when I called him after
we were done shooting this.
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I said, "Wieden all I can tell
you is, 'we're blessed.'"
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Jackson:
And the nine commercials
they did for the 3,
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the 4, and the 5 --
brilliant.
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It's just brilliant
marketing, man.
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You know,
and for Wieden+Kennedy
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to let Spike
just do his thing.
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You know, and let Spike
and Mars and Michael
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develop a relationship.
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It worked.
It worked beautifully.
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Yo, professor, how does Mike
defy gravity?
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Do you know? Do you know?
Do you know? Do you know?
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Michael Jordan overcomes
the acceleration of gravity
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by the application of his muscle
power in the vertical plain,
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thus producing a low altitude
Earth orbit.
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A what?
-Do you know what I mean?
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Do you know? Do you know?
Do you know?
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Knight: What the hell
is Nike doing?
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This wasn't Spike
40 years later,
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winning academy awards,
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and becoming one of the greatest
directors in the world.
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This was Spike as a young guy,
you know, coming right off of
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"Do The Right Thing,"
and all these things,
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where America, again,
was in unrest.
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We're in now
the eighties.
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And we're putting a black guy
on television
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to sell shoes
to white America.
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Most sneaker heads
will look at those spots,
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and say those are the best
basketball commercials ever.
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And I really think those ads
reshaped Nike advertising.
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And I think it introduced Nike
into popular culture,
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rather than just the top pyramid
of, you know,
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high-performance athletes.
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I mean, this was the Nike
for the rest of us.
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See, that's the thing that
really happened, was Spike Lee.
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Spike Lee, in my opinion,
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is the father of what you call
this sneaker culture.
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He would be the father.
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Because no Spike,
no commercials about the shoes.
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Let me repeat myself.
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This you can buy.
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You cannot do this.
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Can.
Can't.
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Can.
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Kent: It ain't the shoes,
it's Michael Jordan, but no.
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You believe, now,
it's the shoes.
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Spike Lee happened.
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When he got in
"Do The Right Thing,"
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and said
"my sneakers are broke,"
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the sneakers
were a character.
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Yo!
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Man: Yeah?
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Yo, you almost
knocked me down, man.
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The word is
"excuse me."
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Oh, excuse me.
I'm sorry.
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Not only just that but now you
stood on my brand-new [bleep]
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Air Jordans
that I just [bleep] bought.
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And that's all you can say,
is "excuse me"?
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-What you [bleep] serious?
-Yeah, I'm serious.
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I'll [bleep] you up quick
two times.
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Two times.
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Who told you to step
on my sneakers?
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Yo, man, your Jordans
are [bleep] up.
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Damn, man, you might have
to throw them kicks out.
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"You broke my Jordans
'cause you stepped on them."
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Not "You broke my sneakers,"
"You broke my Jordans."
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The Jordans became
a character.
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Knight: I asked Michael later
about the Spike Lee time.
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He liked the guy.
He thought he was okay.
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He didn't particularly think
the commercials were any good,
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but he thought
the guy was funny.
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Action.
Spike Lee.
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No one did for marketing
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what Nike and Michael
did for marketing.
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Nobody.
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Bengtson: I mean, he became
the face of everything.
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Falk: We weren't trying
to do anything
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other than take advantage
of his personality.
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So, his first three deals,
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as someone who starred
in the Olympics,
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were Coca-Cola,
McDonald's, and Chevrolet.
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I mean, you can't get any more
all-American than that.
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And the fact that he was
African American
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broke all
the barriers.
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Williams: Jordan was this 6'6"
black man with a bald head,
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very dark-skinned,
dark-complected.
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That same guy without the name
Michael Jordan
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walking down the streets
of suburban America
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would have been seen
as a threat.
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And so, how were they able
to make him not intimidating?
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So, they had these kind of
Jordan rules of marketing in,
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you know,
the way they showed him.
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They embodied why Jordan
was able to penetrate,
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and get into white America,
because he made white America
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feel as if he was
just like them.
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And I think Nike,
Hanes, Ballpark, Gatorade
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did a fabulous job
of really crafting this brand
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to a lot of white people
to accept him into their homes.
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Williams:
He made white America feel
as if he was just like them.
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And I think Nike,
Hanes, Ballpark, Gatorade
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did a fabulous job
of really crafting this brand
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to a lot of white people
to accept him into their homes.
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Woman: Michael Jordan
used to be a superstar.
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Now I'm an Ultra Star.
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-Ultra soft...
-Is Ultra Star.
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-Ultra clean...
-Is Ultra Star.
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Announcer: The ultra
in men's haircare.
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-Ultra sexy.
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-He's Ultra Star.
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Jackson:
You know, so to see a young
black dude come into that space,
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and be able to sell America
about everything,
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and make it
believable was,
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you know,
areas uncharted for us.
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You know, Ali was huge,
you know, for us.
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Jackie Robinson
was huge for us.
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Reggie Jackson was massive,
you know, for a black community.
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But at some point,
there was still a disconnect
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between, you know,
general America --
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especially white America --
and those athletes.
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You know, a lot of times,
you had to remove the blackness
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for them to remove the blackness
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in order for them
to see this person
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as being what they would say
just American.
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Ever need to
rent a car fast?
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♪ Nobody does it better ♪
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In order for America to accept
that black person,
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there had to be some level of
this person
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conforming to
the other side,
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and distancing themselves
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from their quote,
unquote "blackness."
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Nobody has more of what it takes
to get you
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into a new LTV
or other fine car faster.
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For the non-African American
side of this country
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to accept him,
and find comfort in who he was.
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And I think it also came with
a sense of authenticity
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that Michael didn't try
to sell himself
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out of who he was
as a person.
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You know, Michael never tried
to be something that he wasn't.
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He was like,
"You're gonna accept me
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for who I am in America."
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And I think America somehow
tapped into that sensibility.
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We tapped into
this authenticity.
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You can say a lot of things
about Michael Jordan.
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He is by no means Malcolm X,
alright?
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He chose to be silent
on things.
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But you never sensed
that he rejected being black.
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Like, you felt like he was
very proud of being black.
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And while I know Jordan
will never be considered
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to be some kind of
revolutionary,
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what he did, in terms
of global marketing,
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and giving other black athletes
a blueprint to do that,
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was quite revolutionary.
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And showing other brands
that you can put a black face
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on a Fortune 500 company,
and make a ton of money.
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I don't want to say his marking
is overstated,
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because, obviously,
that was a big deal.
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But at the same time, you know,
I think it can't be said enough,
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like,
what he did on the court
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still was what mattered
more than anything.
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If he didn't perform
on the court the way he did,
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those shoes
wouldn't have sold.
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♪♪
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Bengtson:
The fact that he came out,
and was as good as he was,
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and was as photogenic
as he was,
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and was as, you know,
transcendent as he was,
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that's what made
all the difference.
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Those brilliant ads
don't translate
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with Michael Jordan
coming off the bench.
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It sure as hell
made my job easy.
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I mean, you just watch
what he did,
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and then you make
a spot about it.
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♪♪
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Jackson: If you look at the year
Michael had in '88,
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when they released
the 3,
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that quietly can be
one of the greatest seasons
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anybody has ever had.
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You don't win MVP,
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scoring title,
Defensive player of the Year,
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All-star MVP,
you know what I'm saying?
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There's nothing else
that guy didn't win that year,
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with the exception of a finals
MVP and a championship.
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We had never seen
a season like that.
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Everything he was doing
correlated to those shoes.
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And we bought into that
because what was the tag line
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they were selling us?
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"Is it the shoes?
Is it the shoes?"
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Mars Blackmon keep ingraining
that in our head.
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"Is it the shoes?"
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And that concept played into
his entire career,
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as far as his shoes
were concerned.
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What did Michael do
in those particular shoes?
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And the moments he would have
in certain shoes
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became their own quote,
unquote, "phenomenon."
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Every ring he won attached
themselves to the shoes
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he was wearing
when he won those rings.
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In the early nineties, he began
challenging for the NBA title.
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He began winning
on a big level.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Jackson: What Michael Jordan
was able to do
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on the backs of Julius Erving
and Bird and Magic
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was take it to
that Babe Ruth place,
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where basketball basically
had become ingrained
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in the country's
entire consciousness
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to put it
in a stratosphere
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that we didn't know
this game could exist.
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That's what he
was able to do.
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Telander:
I mean, when I was following
the Bulls, there, at the end --
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you know, I've been
around rock bands too,
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but when I'm following,
there, at the end,
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it was like what the Beetles
were -- people screaming.
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And then,
you had Michael Jordan.
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You had Paul and John
rolled into one.
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Jackson: It was equivalent to,
like, you know,
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what is the Isley Brothers'
next album?
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What's the next
Stevie Wonder project?
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What's Michael Jackson
gonna follow up,
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you know,
"Thriller" with?
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That's what Jordan
was like.
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You know, alright,
it was on that level.
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You know, it was sort of
a time when a lot of
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African American contributions
became much more mainstream.
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You know, you had Prince.
You had Michael Jackson.
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You know,
and Michael Jordan,
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he was basketball's
version of that.
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Williams:
You saw Jordan everywhere.
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He had so many
brand associations.
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And so, it made
you want to be like Jordan.
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And so, you had kids
trying to emulate him,
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you know,
in everything they did --
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not just on
the basketball courts,
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on the streets,
but also in their life.
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And the Jordan brand,
the sneaker,
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it really allowed us
to be able to do that
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for the first time.
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Telander:
We recognized something
in Michael Jordan instinctively,
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that this was beauty,
and that I wanted some of that.
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How can I
get close to it?
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How can I get
ahold of this?
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So, with this rampant
consumerism,
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the shoes that had never
been marketed this way,
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the advertisement
they had,
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you said, "Damn, man,
I can't be Michael Jordan
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but I can have this piece
of what he represents."
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Williams: I mean, you think
about its impact on even,
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you know, pop culture
and hip hop.
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I mean, it's hard press
to find any rapper's catalog,
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and he doesn't mention
Jordan at some point.
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You think about probably
the most beloved black sitcom
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of the 1990s,
"The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air."
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Right there in the opening
credits, what is he wearing?
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You know, the Jordan shoe,
I believe it was the Jordan 5.
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♪ Now, this is a story
all about how ♪
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♪ My life got flipped
turned upside down ♪
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♪ And I'd like to take a minute,
just sit right there ♪
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♪ I'll tell you how
I became the prince of
a town called Bel-Air ♪
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And also, what had happened
in the last 20 years
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are the shoe collectors.
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And it became fanatical
to get them.
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Powell: So, the retro is
really based on products
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that emulate
the original product.
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We don't make shoes like we did
in 1985 any longer.
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So, we can't make the shoe
exactly like it was
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with the Jordan 1.
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But we make shoes that look
like the Jordan 1.
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So, when we talk about
a retro shoe,
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it's a shoe that's very close
to the original product.
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And the bulk of the Jordan sales
were coming out of retro.
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I mean, I'm confounded by
the rapidity of the whole thing.
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I believe I'm the biggest
collector of Air Jordan shoes
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in the United States.
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Currently, I have 1,175 shoes
in my collection.
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They start in a corner
back there,
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and they just come all the way
around by the numbers.
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I have some spaces
in between.
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If I pick up new shoes,
I won't have to just move
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all of the cases
all the way around.
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But my favorites
are the 8s.
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I call them
"the great 8s."
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That was his greatest playoff
season of the six championships.
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Back in 1985,
I was in college.
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I had watched MJ from 1981,
and he went to the NBA.
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And then, I saw these
red and white shoes.
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That was the first shoe I bought
with my own money.
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I wear them on the first
of every year.
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They are from 1985.
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$65.
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That was the price.
But back then, $65,
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this was the most expensive
basketball shoe in 1985.
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Everything that has come after
these was because of this.
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And you know, I have
the Jumpman tattoo on my arm.
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It's his style of play.
It's his passion.
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And it's also what he did
as a basketball player
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in these shoes, you know,
is what means a lot to me.
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And for me, it's more than just
the shoes, you know?
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It's the memorabilia, too.
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I have the Wheaties boxes,
and...
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[ Rattles ]
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I never took the seal
off of it.
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It was just a collector's
piece to me.
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And now, I have
18 different boxes,
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from the mini boxes
to the big boxes.
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And I've been offered
tens of thousands of dollars
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00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,000
just for these
cereal boxes.
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00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,000
Original Gatorade bottle.
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00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,600
This has been here
since 1992.
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00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,480
Never popped the top on it.
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00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,200
Wouldn't recommend
drinking this.
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I've been doing this for,
you know, 33-plus years.
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I don't get free stuff.
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00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,960
This is stuff
that I've bought.
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00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,720
This is all blood,
sweat, and tears.
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00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,080
This is something
that I've taken on since 1985,
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00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,400
that I like to do.
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I like to change shoes.
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Sometimes, I change my shoes
three or four times a day,
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just so I can get a chance
to wear everything.
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But 1,175 pairs, I might not
get to wear a shoe again
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for three years.
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The insurance policy
for my entire collection,
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everything -- shoes,
memorabilia, everything --
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is over $1 million.
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00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,400
It's just so much history and
passion behind collecting shoes
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00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,320
that I'm in it
till the end.
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00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,760
I'm not gonna stop.
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Salman:
I mean, it's addiction.
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00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,640
It's -- You know, anybody
who does stuff like that,
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00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,480
it's partially addiction.
383
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,720
You know, it could be good,
it could be bad,
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00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,920
but it's an addiction.
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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,360
It becomes a habit.
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00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,280
It becomes, like,
you know, a contest,
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00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,240
and a competition
for a lot of these people.
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00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:20,080
♪♪
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[ Speaks Japanese ]
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00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,760
Ruddy: For sure, I haven't worn
any of the Jordan 1s here.
391
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,760
My intent was not
to wear them.
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00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,320
My intent was to make a line-up
of the shoes,
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00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,240
and to have a nice display
in my home
394
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,200
and so that I could watch them
after work,
395
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,120
like you watch TV,
and just enjoy.
396
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,320
The addiction was fueled
because of Jordan.
397
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,560
Jordan is an amazing guy.
398
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,920
When you look at this box,
399
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,400
it's hard to keep
a box like this,
400
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,800
for 30 years,
in this condition.
401
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,240
That's the original paper.
402
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,800
You see?
403
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,200
You can smell it.
You can smell time.
404
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,880
You can smell history.
405
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,760
Now, when I tell you I spend
$8,000 just for these two shoes.
406
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,400
Yeah, when I have a set back,
I realize, yeah,
407
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,200
it's out of control
to spend that much money.
408
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,400
Yeah.
409
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,480
It's this modern
American story.
410
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,040
I mean, you have -- in the turn
of the 19th century you had,
411
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,800
you know,
your C.W. Post for Post Cereal
412
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,520
and your
John and Will Kellogg,
413
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,000
and how they created Kellogg's,
and your Milton Hershey's.
414
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,840
You say Hershey bar, but you're
talking about Milton Hershey.
415
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,360
You're talking about a man.
416
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,920
You' talking about Ford,
you're talking about a man.
417
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,400
You think about all these brands
that we consume,
418
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,520
and we don't even
make them synonymous
419
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,640
with the people that
created them, but they are.
420
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,160
And now,
for the first time,
421
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,560
black people have that
with the Jordan brand.
422
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,440
And so, I think,
what we were able to see
423
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,720
is something in modern day
that we've never seen before.
424
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,960
Can you really name
another black founded
425
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,160
controlled brand
like that?
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00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,920
That is just synonymous
with one name,
427
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,520
that lives and breathes
on it's own?
428
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,440
I think that's why
the African Americans
429
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:21,800
love it so much,
and they covet it,
430
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,360
because it's kind of
our brand.
431
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:25,840
Lazenby:
People all over the globe,
432
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,440
obviously, are collecting
these shoes.
433
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,880
And what happens
when things are collected?
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It drives up
the value.
435
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,440
And now, people are taking
these Air Jordans,
436
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,280
they're wearing them
with tuxedos.
437
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,120
Something had happened,
and it all filtered through
438
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,400
the world of Nike
439
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,400
and the world
of Michael Jordan himself.
440
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,000
And if you're a kid, your status
symbol was your $100 sneakers.
441
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,360
You're not buying something
like that to hide it.
442
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,600
The shoes gained, very quickly,
a huge street value
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00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,160
in American culture.
444
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,080
And so, suddenly, it spawned
violence and robbery.
445
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,200
Hill:
The demand of his product,
446
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,920
and products with
his name on it,
447
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,760
had reached a point where crimes
were basically being committed
448
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,120
to obtain product
that he was selling.
449
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,760
Telander:
There's always been style,
and there's always been people
450
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,560
wanting to keep up
with the Jones's.
451
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,800
I mean, you can go back
to caveman era,
452
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,800
you know, somebody's got
a cooler cheetah-skin belt on,
453
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,520
or loin cloth.
454
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,640
If you want that, you might take
a club, and whack him for it.
455
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,200
But here we are,
in a civilized society,
456
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,360
and the Jumpman logo
of the Air Jordans
457
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,680
had become so important
as a status symbol --
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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,320
kids, teenagers
are seeing this status symbol,
459
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,560
and they're actually killing
each other for these --
460
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:42,760
for shoes.
461
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,480
I mean,
the thing I remember best
462
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,560
is still Rick Telander's cover
story in Sports Illustrated.
463
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,120
I feel like the sneakers
were a focal point
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01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,200
because it was something
relatively new.
465
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,040
Telander: I think I've got it
in here somewhere.
466
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,760
I keep all my Sports Illustrated
files up here.
467
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,560
So, that was 1990.
468
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,320
Well, I remember the shocking
aspect of this cover.
469
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,920
You have to look at it.
470
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,360
It's so dark, and you can't tell
what you're looking at.
471
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,040
And then, you realize
it's a guy with a gun,
472
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,320
he's grabbing the shoes that are
hanging over the shoulder.
473
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,560
I haven't looked at this article
in, I would say, 24 years.
474
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,760
It's mind-blowing.
475
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,320
I mean, it really is.
476
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,880
Is it the shoes? Money?
It's got to be the shoes.
477
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,800
It's Mars Blackmon to Michael
Jordan in a Nike commercial.
478
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,200
"For 15-year-old
Michael Eugene Thomas,
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01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,360
it definitely was
the shoes.
480
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,960
A ninth grader
at Meade Senior High School,
481
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,400
Thomas was found strangled
on May 2nd, 1989.
482
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,000
Charged with first-degree murder
was James David Martin, 17,
483
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,440
a basketball buddy."
484
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,960
The kid was murdered,
and left in the woods
485
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,040
for a pair of
two-week old shoes.
486
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,840
It's just...
487
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,320
I don't know.
488
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,480
It's, you know, within it
is something so primitive
489
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,280
and wrong that it --
it's just obvious.
490
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,080
But on the other side of it is,
what led you to this?
491
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,320
What led you to think that that
status symbol could possibly,
492
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,160
possibly be worth
somebody's life?
493
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,680
Like so many problems,
494
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,640
there's an answer
that seems very simple.
495
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:16,880
Throw the kid away.
496
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,760
Put him jail,
throw the key away.
497
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,960
And there's answers
that are very complex.
498
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,880
And it's always easy
to take the easy answer,
499
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,520
and just crack down more
on the law.
500
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,440
But how about solving
the problems
501
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,800
that lead somebody to this
in the first place,
502
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,480
that would feel so dispossessed
that they would think
503
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,000
that a life
is worth somebody's shoes.
504
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,040
Telander:
What led you to this?
505
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,800
What led you to think that that
status symbol could possibly,
506
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,600
possibly be worth
somebody's life.
507
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,080
Like so many problems,
508
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,120
there's an answer
that seems very simple.
509
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,360
Throw the kid away.
510
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,200
Put him jail,
throw the key away.
511
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,400
And there's answers
that are very complex.
512
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,360
And it's always easy
to take the easy answer,
513
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,000
and just crack down more
on the law.
514
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,920
But how about solving
the problems
515
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,240
that lead somebody to this
in the first place,
516
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,960
that would feel so dispossessed
that they would think
517
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,240
that a life
is worth somebody's shoes.
518
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,960
So, it's really a story
about scarcity.
519
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,200
The idea is that the brand
sells out every Saturday morning
520
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,600
when shoes are released,
and consumers come back
521
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,800
the next Saturday
for another shot at it.
522
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,560
And it's interesting
we're talking about scarcity
523
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,240
with a $3 billion brand.
524
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,600
But they have been able to build
this up over time by making sure
525
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,400
that they never had enough
supply to meet the demand.
526
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,800
Lazenby: Are Nike officials
wringing their hands with glee
527
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,880
over those profits
and growth?
528
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Yes.
529
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,800
But that becomes very,
very awkward
530
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,400
when you consider
the ugly elements of that.
531
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,720
Once upon a time, not so long
ago, shoes were just shoes.
532
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,840
And basketball shoes
were no more glamorous
533
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,280
than any other piece
of sports equipment.
534
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,480
That was before Michael Jordan
learned how to fly.
535
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,320
When his success
went through the roof,
536
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,240
the shoes he endorsed for Nike
went right along with him.
537
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,480
And now, critics say they are
flying just a little too high.
538
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,600
Air Jordans are expensive,
exclusive, and hard enough
539
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:22,920
to get that some children lie,
steal, even kill for them.
540
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,360
A boy was robbed
after school.
541
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,560
It turns out, the bandit
was after his shoes.
542
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,720
Woman: Part of the problem
is that each store
543
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,200
has a limited amount
of about 150 pairs.
544
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,880
Male:
Reporter: He saw a gun under the
guy's shirt, and then a demand.
545
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,640
Female Reporter:
Each pair costs about $180,
546
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,160
but they resale on eBay
for almost $500.
547
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,160
A neighbor killed him
over a pair of Air Jordans.
548
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,560
He will be
buried tomorrow
549
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,080
on what would have been
his 17th birthday.
550
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,320
Man: Two young men had come home
from Willowbrook Mall.
551
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,240
They had pairs of
the new Air Jordan sneakers.
552
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,240
Two men attacked them with guns
as they pulled up to this house.
553
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,040
One of them jumped out,
ran door to door,
554
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,280
trying to get help,
while the other
555
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,120
jumped into
the driver's seat,
556
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,080
tried to drive away, but he was
shot at least once in the head.
557
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,800
The car careened out of control,
hit the side of this house,
558
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,600
ruptured a gas line,
and then the gunman got away.
559
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,000
All of this,
this attack
560
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000
was over a pair of
those new Jordan shoes.
561
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,200
Retail value $185.
562
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,840
That may be the price
of a young man's life.
563
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:29,440
♪♪
564
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,800
Daisy:
My name is Daisy Williams,
and this mall here is the mall
565
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,800
that my son went to purchase
his Air Jordan tennis shoes.
566
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,680
My son left this mall,
headed home,
567
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,040
but he never made it
safely home to me.
568
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,800
Four gentlemen followed him
in their own vehicle,
569
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,640
and they pulled
in front of him,
570
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,360
and got out the car,
and demanded the shoes.
571
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,000
They started
shooting at him.
572
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,880
They shot my son in the head,
and he crashed into a home.
573
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:04,440
♪♪
574
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,400
This is the scene,
right there.
575
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,080
This is -- oh, this is --
this just brings chills to me.
576
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,200
I haven't been here -- I haven't
been here in a long time.
577
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,680
There was about
23 shell casings.
578
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,240
The shoes were
on the ground.
579
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,120
Again, there were a pair
of shoes here.
580
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,280
There were a pair of shoes
over there.
581
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,840
If you Google man shot and
killed over Air Jordan sneakers,
582
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:37,480
it's an actual video
where it shows my son.
583
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,320
It doesn't show my son
sitting in the car,
584
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,640
but it shows the car
still running.
585
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,640
It shows the ambulance
wheeling him around here,
586
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,000
and putting him
in the car.
587
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,760
and you can hear my daughter
screaming, like,
588
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,200
"Let us --
please let us get in with you."
589
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,640
[ Indistinct shouting ]
590
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,480
Woman:
I was at home.
591
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,080
I had just got off the phone
with him,
592
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,640
like five minutes before.
Told him I loved him,
593
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,080
And five minutes later,
594
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,160
his friend called me,
and told me he got shot.
595
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,400
And when we got to the scene,
I just ran up to the car,
596
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,240
and I seen him.
597
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,040
And I just kept saying,
"Josh, you got to get up.
598
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,800
It's your sister."
599
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,920
I just kept saying
he had to get up.
600
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,720
Daisy: And me and my fiance,
his father,
601
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,440
we was standing behind
the yellow tape.
602
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,800
And we say "Let's just see, when
they put him on the stretcher,
603
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,040
will they put
the sheet over him."
604
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,000
'Cause you look at
the movies,
605
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,400
if they put that sheet over him,
we know he gone.
606
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,000
And they took him out.
607
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,800
They had his face
wrapped up.
608
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,400
But they never put
the sheets over him.
609
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,600
And I was like, "Okay,
my son gonna be okay."
610
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:48,800
Man: Stay back.
611
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,120
And we followed the ambulance
to the hospital.
612
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:04,360
And at 5:35,
they pronounced him dead.
613
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,520
These were the pair of shoes
that he was buried in --
614
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,520
the Kilroys.
615
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,480
Me and my mom
had to pick out
616
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:22,000
what he was gonna
be buried in.
617
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,840
And my brother never wore
a suit and tie,
618
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,240
so it was like, we want him
to be buried in something that,
619
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,120
if he was alive,
he would, you know, wear.
620
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,800
That would just make me
feel happy, I guess,
621
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,400
to be buried in the same shoes
that he was buried in.
622
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,760
And Michael Jordan sent us
some shoes, and I have those.
623
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,200
Well, it's just one pair.
624
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,920
Man: Hold on,
hold on, hold on.
625
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,080
Michael Jordan sent you shoes?
-Yes.
626
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,560
But it --
to me, it just was like,
627
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,600
like, if a kid's crying,
you give a kid candy,
628
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,160
they're gonna stop crying.
629
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,000
I just felt like that's what
it -- that's what it was.
630
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,240
But the shoes that he sent,
they were 28s.
631
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,960
They're black and lime green.
632
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,560
When he sent us those,
they weren't out yet.
633
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,320
If I was to wear these
down the street,
634
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,400
if people look and say
"Well, they not even out yet,
635
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,640
and she have them,"
and then I die,
636
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,280
then my mom has another kid
that was buried over --
637
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,400
I mean, that was killed
over shoes.
638
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,360
So, I waited until,
like, a month
639
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,400
after they came out
to wear them.
640
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:19,000
I'm always going back
to these pictures.
641
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,120
This picture was after
he purchased his shoes,
642
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:23,920
and they were
in the car.
643
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,440
He actually got out the car,
and just took a picture of them.
644
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,680
And they were --
proceeded to head home,
645
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,960
and not realizing
they were being followed
646
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,480
at that time, actually.
647
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:43,840
This is my son's blood
in the car.
648
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,200
Looking at the pictures,
I -- I just...
649
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,800
If you don't mind, if we
could stop for a little bit?
650
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:11,600
♪♪
651
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,520
Woman: I'm not ready for trial,
but I'm just ready for --
652
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,080
for them to see us,
and know who Josh was,
653
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,840
and what they took
from us.
654
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,440
All over a pair of shoes.
655
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,000
Daisy: Alright.
Are y'all ready?
656
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,000
You nervous?
657
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,800
Just take
a deep breath.
658
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,360
You know, we doing this
for Joshua.
659
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,960
Man: We ask almighty God
that you give us the strength.
660
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,360
We ask that you gives us
your spirit.
661
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,880
Joshua cannot be here
with us today.
662
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,280
We thank you for waking us up,
again, once again,
663
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,440
so that we can be here in his
absence, and in his stead.
664
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,200
We begin with a Houston murder
case making national headlines.
665
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,160
Female Reporter: 22-year-old
Joshua Woods was shot and killed
666
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,800
for his new pair
of Air Jordans.
667
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,920
Male Reporter: Daisy Williams
watched with the rest of us
668
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,200
as the prosecution brought us
back to that day in December,
669
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,760
right before Christmas.
670
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,800
He raises the, gun and fires,
and then fires and fires
671
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,720
and fires,
as the car looses control,
672
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,400
and crashes into
the neighbor's house.
673
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,160
I mean, it's just ludicrous
to think that anybody would take
674
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,560
another human being's life
over pairs of sneakers.
675
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,400
Daisy:
My son is not the first one,
and I hope and pray
676
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,400
to the good lord
that he's the last one.
677
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,400
But we got to do something.
678
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,720
Nike, they have a responsibility
in this.
679
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,160
And they have
to do something.
680
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,920
And if nothing happens,
we'll see more cases like this.
681
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,200
You'll see more mothers
and fathers like me.
682
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,840
You'll see more
mothers and fathers
683
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,480
like the accused killers.
684
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:40,760
The Woods family says that
they want Nike to reconsider
685
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,800
how they market
their Air Jordan sneakers,
686
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,200
so that something like this
never happens again.
687
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,200
Man: And for those who don't
understand the process
688
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,760
by which Nike markets and sells
these Air Jordans,
689
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,480
what they do is, they create
a propaganda campaign...
690
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:56,680
Is it the shoes?
691
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,040
Money, it's got to
be the shoes.
692
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,960
...that stirs up the minds
of young people,
693
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,360
and makes them want
these shoes so bad.
694
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,560
But then, they put out
only a few of them.
695
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,200
Man #2:
One pair per customer.
696
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,360
And it's like,
if you have birds,
697
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,440
let's say,
on your porch,
698
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:16,800
and you throw out a few seeds.
Well, what's going to happen?
699
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,280
Those birds are hungry.
700
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,120
If they really want to
eat bad enough,
701
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,200
they'll begin fighting
one another.
702
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,600
And unfortunately, this
propaganda scheme by Nike,
703
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,600
that has been endorsed
by Michael Jordan,
704
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,000
is working on so many inner-city
youth across America.
705
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,720
And in this particular case,
it went so far
706
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,720
that a young man
lost his life.
707
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,000
Daisy:
That's a good question.
708
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,800
I actually extended
an invitation to them
709
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,440
to be here today.
710
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:53,080
Unfortunately,
I don't see them here.
711
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,760
Man: Nike is not here
because Nike doesn't care.
712
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,440
Michael Jordan isn't here
because he cares even less.
713
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:03,280
They will take
Joshua Woods' money,
714
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,120
but when he loses his life
for the very shoes
715
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,200
that he purchased
from them,
716
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,720
all of a sudden,
we don't hear from them.
717
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,160
In corporate America,
unfortunately,
718
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,560
profit is more important
than human life.
719
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,200
And maybe that's
trickling down
720
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,480
into the younger generation
here in America,
721
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,800
why they think that materialism
is more important
722
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,400
than human life.
723
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,080
Woman:
It just hurts.
724
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,360
'Cause you never think
somebody's life
725
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,520
will be taken
over a pair of shoes.
726
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,400
And it's like,
when my daughter gets older,
727
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,280
and when his son gets older,
we have to tell them,
728
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,000
you know, the real story,
like, why he was taken away.
729
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,680
And that hurts.
730
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,880
How do you explain to a kid that
their father and their uncle
731
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,040
is gone
over a pair of shoes?
732
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,640
It doesn't make sense.
733
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,960
Daisy: I was born and raised
here in Houston.
734
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,640
My children, my son
and my daughter,
735
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,320
was born and raised here.
736
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,520
I didn't ask for this.
737
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,840
This was brought to me.
738
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,320
And most people, they wouldn't
have survived this.
739
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:19,120
I am in no way, shape, or form
blaming Nike for my son's death.
740
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,120
But they can
say something.
741
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,760
If your son,
or if your daughter,
742
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,800
was Joshua Woods,
743
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,520
whatever you would do
if that if was your child,
744
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,720
that's what
I'm asking you to do.
745
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:36,800
♪♪
746
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,200
Telander: I thought,
when it happened,
747
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,320
that this was likely a --
just a flash point.
748
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,400
But it hasn't passed.
749
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,800
It's as though the Air Jordan,
the Jumpman,
750
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,800
has become
almost like a symbol.
751
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,480
It symbolizes
so much more.
752
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:55,400
It symbolizes something that can
actually make people happy.
753
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,200
It's at the root
of all advertising.
754
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,240
It's advertising
that worked too well.
755
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,600
Bengtson: I mean, the fact is
it's still going on now,
756
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,960
and, you know,
it's kind of unfortunate that
757
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,800
Rick wrote that cover story
25 years ago,
758
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,720
and you're still seeing
this stuff happen now.
759
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,120
Williams:
Jordan's sneakers,
760
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,680
they're jewels
in the eyes of young black kids.
761
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,360
And when you have
these types of jewels,
762
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,800
and you wear these types
of jewels on your feet,
763
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,280
especially in
the neighborhoods
764
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,800
where wealth and status
is scarce,
765
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,520
but heavily coveted,
766
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,680
you have things
like this happen.
767
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,200
Hill: The truth is,
when you have people,
768
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,400
especially these people who are
within proximity to one another,
769
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,760
in a community
that's underserved,
770
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,320
that every signal,
every message that they get
771
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,440
is that people don't care about
what happens to you.
772
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:49,680
They don't care about
offering you any opportunity
773
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:55,080
to achieve this American dream,
then, you begin to take on,
774
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,440
as they say,
the traits of the oppressor.
775
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,760
It becomes sort of
a self-fulfilling prophecy,
776
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,360
where nobody else thinks
my life is worth anything,
777
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,600
so why should I think somebody
else's life is worth something?
778
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,240
And so, unfortunately,
things like Jordans
779
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,000
become very big
status symbols
780
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,440
in communities of color,
and communities
781
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:18,000
that are historically
and presently underserved.
782
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,400
And the value of life
is just not as appreciated
783
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,360
when, you know, you're hearing
from every corner of society
784
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,120
how much
you're not worth.
785
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,640
It's hard for you to look
at yourself as worthy,
786
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,800
and certainly see that worth
in somebody else.
787
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,600
Jackson: You can't ever
look at a place
788
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,480
that's gonna teach you wrong
to treat you right.
789
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:41,920
Our history here in America
has not been one of correctness,
790
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,200
as far as treatment
is concerned.
791
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:49,160
So, to ask a subculture
inside this business,
792
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,600
you know, model that America
has built on our backs,
793
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,200
to a large degree.
794
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,320
All of a sudden, we start
wilding out on each other
795
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,760
for that,
to ask America to step in.
796
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,480
You know, yeah, Michael Jordan
could probably have taken
797
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,000
a stronger stance on this,
but at the end of the day,
798
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,800
we're still asking Nike
to do something.
799
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,440
Lazenby: The real problem is
they don't want to address it
800
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:11,160
in a meaningful way.
801
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,480
It is a big challenge, but there
has to be something meaningful
802
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:18,520
to find a way
to stop this trend.
803
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:28,080
Lazenby: The real problem is
they don't want to address it
804
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,800
in a meaningful way.
805
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,320
It is a big challenge, but there
has to be something meaningful
806
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,200
to find a way
to stop this trend.
807
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,000
Telander: Where does
the responsibility lie?
808
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,720
And really,
you do start at the top.
809
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,280
So, if the Air Jordans are in
the image of Michael Jordan,
810
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,080
shouldn't he have some say
about what's going on?
811
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,520
And part of the criticism
of Jordan is legitimate,
812
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,560
that he has not been
a social leader.
813
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,000
And other people say --
and I could argue, too --
814
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,360
why should he be?
He did enough on the court,
815
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,400
he did enough
as a businessman,
816
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,000
to transcend
any kind of criticism
817
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,240
you might want to lay on him
for not having gone out there,
818
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,160
and marched,
and had some big social program.
819
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:11,720
You know, why don't you
help these kids
820
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,880
instead of
exploiting them?
821
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,520
Knight:
I always wondered if it's one
of the things that he regrets,
822
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,800
that he didn't step in
at a certain time,
823
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,200
and say,
"Hey, knock it off."
824
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,360
I don't know what kids
would have done,
825
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,000
but it couldn't
have hurt.
826
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,200
You know,
could he have done more?
827
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,440
Yeah, he could
have done more.
828
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,200
You know, but Nike,
as a company,
829
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,800
should have done more, too,
possibly, if they really cared.
830
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,360
Nike has a history of standing
by their athletes, right?
831
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:37,720
And when they
get into trouble,
832
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,960
unless they're really
in trouble,
833
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,360
like Lance Armstrong,
834
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,400
they stand with them
very late in the game.
835
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,840
Brands used to be afraid
to share their values.
836
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,480
And now,
the consumer says,
837
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,520
"No, I want the brand to tell me
what their values are."
838
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,720
And I think this is a piece
of that corporate ethos now.
839
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,760
Nike will certainly
more than not
840
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,080
be looked at
on the right side of history --
841
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,400
as long as people
aren't naive
842
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,120
as to why they're on
the right side of history.
843
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,520
Not on the right side
of history
844
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,640
because they felt some deep
moral obligation.
845
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:07,880
They're on the right side
of history
846
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,000
because it
made them money.
847
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,200
They understand,
especially as a company
848
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,200
that was kind of built
on rebellion,
849
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,480
that they understand
850
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:19,120
that rebellion
is an attractive quality.
851
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,040
It's attractive
in the marketplace, you know?
852
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,280
The kids -- You needs kids
to certainly buy the shoes,
853
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,400
but you need them to push it,
and push it,
854
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,200
and make it
a cultural staple.
855
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,840
And so,
Nike understands that
856
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,880
so it makes all the sense
in the world for them to appear
857
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,400
as if they care
about social justice.
858
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,440
Bengtson: Obviously,
the responsibility spreads out.
859
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,200
You know, obviously, there's
some degree of responsibility
860
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,720
on virtually everyone, from the
company down to the criminal.
861
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,600
You know, when I look back
at the way
862
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,600
that first Air Jordan
release happened,
863
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,600
and when they released it
in 1985,
864
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,680
the initial supply
sold out immediately.
865
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,280
You know,
stuff was just gone.
866
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,920
And people were getting robbed
for their Air Jordans
867
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,520
back then, in 1985.
868
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,800
Or people were getting offered
an absurd amount of money
869
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,800
for them in the street,
immediately after buying them,
870
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,440
'cause they just
couldn't get them.
871
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:05,400
So, you know,
Nike's response to this
872
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,800
was kind of what people
want them to do now.
873
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,880
They made more.
They made a lot more.
874
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,880
And that second wave
of Air Jordans came out,
875
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,080
you know, which I'm sure
did help to a degree.
876
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,600
And a lot of people
did buy them
877
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,000
who couldn't have gotten them
the first time.
878
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,760
But unfortunately, a lot of them
sat, too, you know?
879
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,360
And there were original
Air Jordans
880
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,080
available two years later,
881
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,960
three years later,
for virtually nothing.
882
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,400
Nike, first and foremost,
and Jordan first and foremost,
883
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,360
I mean, they're
billion-dollar businesses.
884
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,800
You know, they didn't get
that way by doing things
885
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,000
like over-production.
886
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,200
You know, and I think they've
kind of honed their tactics
887
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,920
to the point where,
you know,
888
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,600
they know that, yes,
they're never gonna make enough
889
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,920
for everybody
who wants them to get them.
890
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,480
But I think
they also understand,
891
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:51,800
if they make so many
that they don't sell through,
892
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:56,400
and they wind up going on sale,
it ends up hurting their brand.
893
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,080
Williams: Nike has been very,
very passive,
894
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,120
and kind of, for the most part,
stood back on this.
895
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,120
But Nike also, you know,
has a little blood
896
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,280
on their hands, too,
when it comes to this.
897
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,560
Because they kind of created
this sense of urgency --
898
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,160
this is sense of demand.
899
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,120
And I think that type of
mindset has kind of carried on
900
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,520
through the entire legacy
of the brand.
901
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,880
I don't think it was intentional
by Nike, at all.
902
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,240
However,
they kind of created,
903
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,880
from the start, of,
"This is something rare.
904
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,960
This is something you have
to get your hands on."
905
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,520
Telander: The desire to have
what somebody else has
906
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,040
because you don't have it
is still there.
907
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,880
And, yes, there are still crimes
for these shoes,
908
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,560
for these products.
909
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,040
The things that
you walk in,
910
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,440
the things that you need
just to get through a day,
911
01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:43,320
those things have taken on
a significance
912
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:44,600
that they never had,
913
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,560
and it's all because
of Air Jordans.
914
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:55,240
♪♪
915
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,120
Letterman: Alright, now,
Michael, is this shoe.
916
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,360
Now, of course, we can't show
what kind of shoe this is.
917
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,080
That's okay. The color
will stand for it.
918
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,960
But is this the shoe that
the NBA wouldn't let you wear?
919
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,000
Yeah.
920
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,200
Now, why wouldn't
they let you wear it?
Just because it's ugly?
921
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,360
[ Laughter ]
922
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,720
It's just a joke.
923
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,000
It's just a joke,
you know what I mean?
924
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,720
And here, we have the new
improved Air Jordan.
925
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,760
With some white in it.
926
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,760
Yeah, with some white in it.
927
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,000
Now, you get
a little something
928
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,840
for each of these sold,
don't you?
929
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,040
Yeah.
You working at it.
930
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,920
What a deal.
What a deal.
931
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:33,600
♪♪
932
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:43,320
♪♪
933
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:53,000
♪♪
934
01:22:53,000 --> 01:23:02,680
♪♪
935
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:12,360
♪♪
936
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:22,080
♪♪
937
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:31,760
♪♪
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