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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,120 And I think Nike knew that. 2 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,960 Bengtson: You know, you had this ready-made character, 3 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960 you know, and he could come in and do these commercials, 4 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,520 which were amazing for their day. 5 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480 You know, it's like, you go back and look at, say, 6 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,080 Converse, with the Weapon. 7 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,400 They had all these guys, like, do a rap commercial. 8 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,720 ♪ For the kind of moves that never fail ♪ 9 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,000 ♪ The Weapon's the choice of Kevin McHale ♪ 10 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200 ♪ The same is true for Mark Aguirre ♪ 11 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,360 ♪ When I wear Weapons, I'm on fire ♪ 12 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,400 ♪ But what can the weapons do for King? ♪ 13 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,280 ♪ Why, I can do just about anything ♪ 14 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,880 ♪ You already know what they did for me ♪ 15 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,160 ALL: What? 16 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,600 ♪ I walked away with the MVP ♪ 17 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,960 Announcer: Converse Weapon -- 18 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,280 The number-one weapon in the NBA. 19 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,000 And it's like, you're just being too literal, almost. You know? 20 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,720 And Spike and Mars, they're coming out 21 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,240 doing these black-and-white ads, 22 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,960 and like, they were debuted during all-star weekend. 23 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,160 And, you know, I remember getting ready 24 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,760 to watch the NBA all-star game, 25 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,200 and, like, I was excited about the dunk contest. 26 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,000 But I was super excited 27 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,520 that there would be a new Air Jordan commercial. 28 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,960 Oh, money, money, why you want to do that to me? 29 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,120 Why you leave me hanging? 30 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,680 I got it. 31 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,440 Oh. 32 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,440 The big thing about what that campaign taught us was, again, 33 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,960 that you could have fun with this stuff, 34 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,240 and to look at the athlete as, like -- 35 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,200 this sounds crass, but as the product. 36 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,560 What makes this person unique? 37 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,880 Why could only Jordan be in that campaign with Mars Blackmon? 38 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,440 Yo, Mike, what made you the best player in the universe? 39 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,080 Is it the vicious dunks? 40 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,040 -No, Mars. -Is it the haircut? 41 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,240 -No, Mars. -Is it the shoes? 42 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:44,800 No, Mars. 43 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,400 Knight: The big thing in marketing of these shoes 44 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,680 is that you've got to let the kid know that you get it. 45 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,000 But you can't do it in an obvious, stupid way. 46 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,640 You've got to do it in a subliminal way. 47 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,880 You sure it's not the shoes? 48 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,080 I'm sure, Mars. 49 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,120 -What about the shoes? -No, Mars. 50 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,400 Using Spike Lee, that's what that did. 51 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680 And you just knew right there, just to see that, 52 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,480 and that magic, you just went, "This is gonna work. 53 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,960 We're blessed." 54 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,760 That's exactly what I told Wieden 55 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,360 when I called him after we were done shooting this. 56 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,800 I said, "Wieden all I can tell you is, 'we're blessed.'" 57 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,840 Jackson: And the nine commercials they did for the 3, 58 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,080 the 4, and the 5 -- brilliant. 59 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,040 It's just brilliant marketing, man. 60 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,400 You know, and for Wieden+Kennedy 61 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,400 to let Spike just do his thing. 62 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,840 You know, and let Spike and Mars and Michael 63 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,320 develop a relationship. 64 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,600 It worked. It worked beautifully. 65 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,080 Yo, professor, how does Mike defy gravity? 66 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,280 Do you know? Do you know? Do you know? Do you know? 67 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,600 Michael Jordan overcomes the acceleration of gravity 68 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,400 by the application of his muscle power in the vertical plain, 69 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,960 thus producing a low altitude Earth orbit. 70 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,240 A what? -Do you know what I mean? 71 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:54,000 Do you know? Do you know? Do you know? 72 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,880 Knight: What the hell is Nike doing? 73 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,000 This wasn't Spike 40 years later, 74 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,640 winning academy awards, 75 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,000 and becoming one of the greatest directors in the world. 76 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,960 This was Spike as a young guy, you know, coming right off of 77 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,200 "Do The Right Thing," and all these things, 78 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,640 where America, again, was in unrest. 79 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,720 We're in now the eighties. 80 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,200 And we're putting a black guy on television 81 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,880 to sell shoes to white America. 82 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,840 Most sneaker heads will look at those spots, 83 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,800 and say those are the best basketball commercials ever. 84 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,000 And I really think those ads reshaped Nike advertising. 85 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,400 And I think it introduced Nike into popular culture, 86 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,440 rather than just the top pyramid of, you know, 87 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,200 high-performance athletes. 88 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,280 I mean, this was the Nike for the rest of us. 89 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,840 See, that's the thing that really happened, was Spike Lee. 90 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,840 Spike Lee, in my opinion, 91 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:56,040 is the father of what you call this sneaker culture. 92 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,360 He would be the father. 93 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,560 Because no Spike, no commercials about the shoes. 94 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,760 Let me repeat myself. 95 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,960 This you can buy. 96 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,160 You cannot do this. 97 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,120 Can. Can't. 98 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,520 Can. 99 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,880 Kent: It ain't the shoes, it's Michael Jordan, but no. 100 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,280 You believe, now, it's the shoes. 101 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,160 Spike Lee happened. 102 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,440 When he got in "Do The Right Thing," 103 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,840 and said "my sneakers are broke," 104 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,400 the sneakers were a character. 105 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,360 Yo! 106 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,720 Man: Yeah? 107 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,000 Yo, you almost knocked me down, man. 108 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,240 The word is "excuse me." 109 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,000 Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. 110 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,920 Not only just that but now you stood on my brand-new [bleep] 111 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,520 Air Jordans that I just [bleep] bought. 112 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,320 And that's all you can say, is "excuse me"? 113 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,800 -What you [bleep] serious? -Yeah, I'm serious. 114 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,000 I'll [bleep] you up quick two times. 115 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,280 Two times. 116 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,520 Who told you to step on my sneakers? 117 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,920 Yo, man, your Jordans are [bleep] up. 118 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,560 Damn, man, you might have to throw them kicks out. 119 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,280 "You broke my Jordans 'cause you stepped on them." 120 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,400 Not "You broke my sneakers," "You broke my Jordans." 121 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,120 The Jordans became a character. 122 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,960 Knight: I asked Michael later about the Spike Lee time. 123 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,680 He liked the guy. He thought he was okay. 124 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,640 He didn't particularly think the commercials were any good, 125 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,440 but he thought the guy was funny. 126 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,200 Action. Spike Lee. 127 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,120 No one did for marketing 128 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,320 what Nike and Michael did for marketing. 129 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,920 Nobody. 130 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,080 Bengtson: I mean, he became the face of everything. 131 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,280 Falk: We weren't trying to do anything 132 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,080 other than take advantage of his personality. 133 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,480 So, his first three deals, 134 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,880 as someone who starred in the Olympics, 135 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,200 were Coca-Cola, McDonald's, and Chevrolet. 136 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,680 I mean, you can't get any more all-American than that. 137 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,520 And the fact that he was African American 138 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,240 broke all the barriers. 139 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,520 Williams: Jordan was this 6'6" black man with a bald head, 140 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,280 very dark-skinned, dark-complected. 141 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,040 That same guy without the name Michael Jordan 142 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,360 walking down the streets of suburban America 143 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,040 would have been seen as a threat. 144 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,040 And so, how were they able to make him not intimidating? 145 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,800 So, they had these kind of Jordan rules of marketing in, 146 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,200 you know, the way they showed him. 147 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,200 They embodied why Jordan was able to penetrate, 148 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,640 and get into white America, because he made white America 149 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,800 feel as if he was just like them. 150 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,360 And I think Nike, Hanes, Ballpark, Gatorade 151 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560 did a fabulous job of really crafting this brand 152 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,760 to a lot of white people to accept him into their homes. 153 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,240 Williams: He made white America feel as if he was just like them. 154 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:36,840 And I think Nike, Hanes, Ballpark, Gatorade 155 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,000 did a fabulous job of really crafting this brand 156 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,600 to a lot of white people to accept him into their homes. 157 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,360 Woman: Michael Jordan used to be a superstar. 158 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,800 Now I'm an Ultra Star. 159 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,200 -Ultra soft... -Is Ultra Star. 160 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,520 -Ultra clean... -Is Ultra Star. 161 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,920 Announcer: The ultra in men's haircare. 162 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,480 -Ultra sexy. 163 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,600 -He's Ultra Star. 164 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,840 Jackson: You know, so to see a young black dude come into that space, 165 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,200 and be able to sell America about everything, 166 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,800 and make it believable was, 167 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,800 you know, areas uncharted for us. 168 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,560 You know, Ali was huge, you know, for us. 169 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,360 Jackie Robinson was huge for us. 170 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,600 Reggie Jackson was massive, you know, for a black community. 171 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,520 But at some point, there was still a disconnect 172 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,120 between, you know, general America -- 173 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,960 especially white America -- and those athletes. 174 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,000 You know, a lot of times, you had to remove the blackness 175 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,360 for them to remove the blackness 176 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,760 in order for them to see this person 177 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,800 as being what they would say just American. 178 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,720 Ever need to rent a car fast? 179 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,680 ♪ Nobody does it better ♪ 180 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,680 In order for America to accept that black person, 181 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,680 there had to be some level of this person 182 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,760 conforming to the other side, 183 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,280 and distancing themselves 184 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,160 from their quote, unquote "blackness." 185 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,960 Nobody has more of what it takes to get you 186 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,040 into a new LTV or other fine car faster. 187 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,480 For the non-African American side of this country 188 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,160 to accept him, and find comfort in who he was. 189 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,960 And I think it also came with a sense of authenticity 190 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,400 that Michael didn't try to sell himself 191 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,200 out of who he was as a person. 192 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,080 You know, Michael never tried to be something that he wasn't. 193 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,280 He was like, "You're gonna accept me 194 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,000 for who I am in America." 195 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,640 And I think America somehow tapped into that sensibility. 196 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,680 We tapped into this authenticity. 197 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,680 You can say a lot of things about Michael Jordan. 198 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,640 He is by no means Malcolm X, alright? 199 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,160 He chose to be silent on things. 200 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,320 But you never sensed that he rejected being black. 201 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,840 Like, you felt like he was very proud of being black. 202 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,280 And while I know Jordan will never be considered 203 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,520 to be some kind of revolutionary, 204 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,800 what he did, in terms of global marketing, 205 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,160 and giving other black athletes a blueprint to do that, 206 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,400 was quite revolutionary. 207 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,080 And showing other brands that you can put a black face 208 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,760 on a Fortune 500 company, and make a ton of money. 209 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080 I don't want to say his marking is overstated, 210 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,200 because, obviously, that was a big deal. 211 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,840 But at the same time, you know, I think it can't be said enough, 212 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,800 like, what he did on the court 213 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,120 still was what mattered more than anything. 214 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,440 If he didn't perform on the court the way he did, 215 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,800 those shoes wouldn't have sold. 216 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,200 ♪♪ 217 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,280 Bengtson: The fact that he came out, and was as good as he was, 218 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,040 and was as photogenic as he was, 219 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,960 and was as, you know, transcendent as he was, 220 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,600 that's what made all the difference. 221 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,040 Those brilliant ads don't translate 222 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,160 with Michael Jordan coming off the bench. 223 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,600 It sure as hell made my job easy. 224 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,880 I mean, you just watch what he did, 225 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,400 and then you make a spot about it. 226 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:51,000 ♪♪ 227 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,040 Jackson: If you look at the year Michael had in '88, 228 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,640 when they released the 3, 229 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,120 that quietly can be one of the greatest seasons 230 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,760 anybody has ever had. 231 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,400 You don't win MVP, 232 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,480 scoring title, Defensive player of the Year, 233 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,360 All-star MVP, you know what I'm saying? 234 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,600 There's nothing else that guy didn't win that year, 235 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,600 with the exception of a finals MVP and a championship. 236 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,400 We had never seen a season like that. 237 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,920 Everything he was doing correlated to those shoes. 238 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,840 And we bought into that because what was the tag line 239 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,200 they were selling us? 240 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,680 "Is it the shoes? Is it the shoes?" 241 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,760 Mars Blackmon keep ingraining that in our head. 242 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,240 "Is it the shoes?" 243 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:34,160 And that concept played into his entire career, 244 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,720 as far as his shoes were concerned. 245 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,160 What did Michael do in those particular shoes? 246 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,200 And the moments he would have in certain shoes 247 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,600 became their own quote, unquote, "phenomenon." 248 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,040 Every ring he won attached themselves to the shoes 249 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,120 he was wearing when he won those rings. 250 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,400 In the early nineties, he began challenging for the NBA title. 251 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,600 He began winning on a big level. 252 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:06,160 ♪♪ 253 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:15,680 ♪♪ 254 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,200 Jackson: What Michael Jordan was able to do 255 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,640 on the backs of Julius Erving and Bird and Magic 256 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,360 was take it to that Babe Ruth place, 257 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,560 where basketball basically had become ingrained 258 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,680 in the country's entire consciousness 259 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,880 to put it in a stratosphere 260 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,720 that we didn't know this game could exist. 261 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:37,760 That's what he was able to do. 262 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,640 Telander: I mean, when I was following the Bulls, there, at the end -- 263 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,320 you know, I've been around rock bands too, 264 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,120 but when I'm following, there, at the end, 265 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,360 it was like what the Beetles were -- people screaming. 266 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,840 And then, you had Michael Jordan. 267 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,960 You had Paul and John rolled into one. 268 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,800 Jackson: It was equivalent to, like, you know, 269 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,520 what is the Isley Brothers' next album? 270 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,400 What's the next Stevie Wonder project? 271 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,520 What's Michael Jackson gonna follow up, 272 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,000 you know, "Thriller" with? 273 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,600 That's what Jordan was like. 274 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,520 You know, alright, it was on that level. 275 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,000 You know, it was sort of a time when a lot of 276 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,840 African American contributions became much more mainstream. 277 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,040 You know, you had Prince. You had Michael Jackson. 278 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,240 You know, and Michael Jordan, 279 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:21,200 he was basketball's version of that. 280 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,640 Williams: You saw Jordan everywhere. 281 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,680 He had so many brand associations. 282 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,400 And so, it made you want to be like Jordan. 283 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,320 And so, you had kids trying to emulate him, 284 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,160 you know, in everything they did -- 285 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,920 not just on the basketball courts, 286 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,720 on the streets, but also in their life. 287 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,400 And the Jordan brand, the sneaker, 288 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,480 it really allowed us to be able to do that 289 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,360 for the first time. 290 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,000 Telander: We recognized something in Michael Jordan instinctively, 291 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,200 that this was beauty, and that I wanted some of that. 292 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,680 How can I get close to it? 293 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,080 How can I get ahold of this? 294 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,920 So, with this rampant consumerism, 295 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,960 the shoes that had never been marketed this way, 296 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,600 the advertisement they had, 297 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,840 you said, "Damn, man, I can't be Michael Jordan 298 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,000 but I can have this piece of what he represents." 299 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,920 Williams: I mean, you think about its impact on even, 300 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,200 you know, pop culture and hip hop. 301 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,920 I mean, it's hard press to find any rapper's catalog, 302 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,800 and he doesn't mention Jordan at some point. 303 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,360 You think about probably the most beloved black sitcom 304 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,400 of the 1990s, "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air." 305 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,880 Right there in the opening credits, what is he wearing? 306 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,800 You know, the Jordan shoe, I believe it was the Jordan 5. 307 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,120 ♪ Now, this is a story all about how ♪ 308 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,560 ♪ My life got flipped turned upside down ♪ 309 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,920 ♪ And I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there ♪ 310 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,800 ♪ I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air ♪ 311 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,400 And also, what had happened in the last 20 years 312 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,160 are the shoe collectors. 313 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,160 And it became fanatical to get them. 314 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,000 Powell: So, the retro is really based on products 315 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,200 that emulate the original product. 316 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,520 We don't make shoes like we did in 1985 any longer. 317 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,360 So, we can't make the shoe exactly like it was 318 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,960 with the Jordan 1. 319 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,720 But we make shoes that look like the Jordan 1. 320 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:00,280 So, when we talk about a retro shoe, 321 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,160 it's a shoe that's very close to the original product. 322 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,680 And the bulk of the Jordan sales were coming out of retro. 323 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:12,800 I mean, I'm confounded by the rapidity of the whole thing. 324 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,280 I believe I'm the biggest collector of Air Jordan shoes 325 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,920 in the United States. 326 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:32,080 Currently, I have 1,175 shoes in my collection. 327 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,680 They start in a corner back there, 328 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,800 and they just come all the way around by the numbers. 329 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,720 I have some spaces in between. 330 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,480 If I pick up new shoes, I won't have to just move 331 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,200 all of the cases all the way around. 332 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,880 But my favorites are the 8s. 333 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,600 I call them "the great 8s." 334 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,600 That was his greatest playoff season of the six championships. 335 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,520 Back in 1985, I was in college. 336 00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:01,000 I had watched MJ from 1981, and he went to the NBA. 337 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,360 And then, I saw these red and white shoes. 338 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,800 That was the first shoe I bought with my own money. 339 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,640 I wear them on the first of every year. 340 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,320 They are from 1985. 341 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,400 $65. 342 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,800 That was the price. But back then, $65, 343 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,880 this was the most expensive basketball shoe in 1985. 344 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,800 Everything that has come after these was because of this. 345 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,600 And you know, I have the Jumpman tattoo on my arm. 346 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,920 It's his style of play. It's his passion. 347 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,400 And it's also what he did as a basketball player 348 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,000 in these shoes, you know, is what means a lot to me. 349 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,400 And for me, it's more than just the shoes, you know? 350 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,200 It's the memorabilia, too. 351 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,600 I have the Wheaties boxes, and... 352 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:48,880 [ Rattles ] 353 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,920 I never took the seal off of it. 354 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,960 It was just a collector's piece to me. 355 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,400 And now, I have 18 different boxes, 356 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,840 from the mini boxes to the big boxes. 357 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,720 And I've been offered tens of thousands of dollars 358 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,000 just for these cereal boxes. 359 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,000 Original Gatorade bottle. 360 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,600 This has been here since 1992. 361 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,480 Never popped the top on it. 362 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,200 Wouldn't recommend drinking this. 363 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,000 I've been doing this for, you know, 33-plus years. 364 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,320 I don't get free stuff. 365 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,960 This is stuff that I've bought. 366 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,720 This is all blood, sweat, and tears. 367 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,080 This is something that I've taken on since 1985, 368 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,400 that I like to do. 369 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,040 I like to change shoes. 370 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,760 Sometimes, I change my shoes three or four times a day, 371 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,240 just so I can get a chance to wear everything. 372 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:39,560 But 1,175 pairs, I might not get to wear a shoe again 373 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,320 for three years. 374 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,160 The insurance policy for my entire collection, 375 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,680 everything -- shoes, memorabilia, everything -- 376 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,280 is over $1 million. 377 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,400 It's just so much history and passion behind collecting shoes 378 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,320 that I'm in it till the end. 379 00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,760 I'm not gonna stop. 380 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,200 Salman: I mean, it's addiction. 381 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,640 It's -- You know, anybody who does stuff like that, 382 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,480 it's partially addiction. 383 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,720 You know, it could be good, it could be bad, 384 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,920 but it's an addiction. 385 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,360 It becomes a habit. 386 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,280 It becomes, like, you know, a contest, 387 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,240 and a competition for a lot of these people. 388 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:20,080 ♪♪ 389 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,640 [ Speaks Japanese ] 390 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,760 Ruddy: For sure, I haven't worn any of the Jordan 1s here. 391 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,760 My intent was not to wear them. 392 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,320 My intent was to make a line-up of the shoes, 393 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,240 and to have a nice display in my home 394 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,200 and so that I could watch them after work, 395 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,120 like you watch TV, and just enjoy. 396 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,320 The addiction was fueled because of Jordan. 397 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,560 Jordan is an amazing guy. 398 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,920 When you look at this box, 399 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,400 it's hard to keep a box like this, 400 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,800 for 30 years, in this condition. 401 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,240 That's the original paper. 402 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,800 You see? 403 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,200 You can smell it. You can smell time. 404 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,880 You can smell history. 405 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,760 Now, when I tell you I spend $8,000 just for these two shoes. 406 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,400 Yeah, when I have a set back, I realize, yeah, 407 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,200 it's out of control to spend that much money. 408 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,400 Yeah. 409 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,480 It's this modern American story. 410 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,040 I mean, you have -- in the turn of the 19th century you had, 411 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,800 you know, your C.W. Post for Post Cereal 412 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,520 and your John and Will Kellogg, 413 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,000 and how they created Kellogg's, and your Milton Hershey's. 414 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,840 You say Hershey bar, but you're talking about Milton Hershey. 415 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,360 You're talking about a man. 416 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,920 You' talking about Ford, you're talking about a man. 417 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,400 You think about all these brands that we consume, 418 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,520 and we don't even make them synonymous 419 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,640 with the people that created them, but they are. 420 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,160 And now, for the first time, 421 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,560 black people have that with the Jordan brand. 422 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,440 And so, I think, what we were able to see 423 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,720 is something in modern day that we've never seen before. 424 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,960 Can you really name another black founded 425 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,160 controlled brand like that? 426 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,920 That is just synonymous with one name, 427 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,520 that lives and breathes on it's own? 428 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,440 I think that's why the African Americans 429 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:21,800 love it so much, and they covet it, 430 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,360 because it's kind of our brand. 431 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:25,840 Lazenby: People all over the globe, 432 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,440 obviously, are collecting these shoes. 433 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,880 And what happens when things are collected? 434 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,240 It drives up the value. 435 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,440 And now, people are taking these Air Jordans, 436 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,280 they're wearing them with tuxedos. 437 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,120 Something had happened, and it all filtered through 438 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,400 the world of Nike 439 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,400 and the world of Michael Jordan himself. 440 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,000 And if you're a kid, your status symbol was your $100 sneakers. 441 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,360 You're not buying something like that to hide it. 442 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,600 The shoes gained, very quickly, a huge street value 443 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,160 in American culture. 444 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,080 And so, suddenly, it spawned violence and robbery. 445 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,200 Hill: The demand of his product, 446 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,920 and products with his name on it, 447 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,760 had reached a point where crimes were basically being committed 448 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,120 to obtain product that he was selling. 449 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,760 Telander: There's always been style, and there's always been people 450 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,560 wanting to keep up with the Jones's. 451 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,800 I mean, you can go back to caveman era, 452 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,800 you know, somebody's got a cooler cheetah-skin belt on, 453 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,520 or loin cloth. 454 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,640 If you want that, you might take a club, and whack him for it. 455 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,200 But here we are, in a civilized society, 456 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,360 and the Jumpman logo of the Air Jordans 457 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,680 had become so important as a status symbol -- 458 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,320 kids, teenagers are seeing this status symbol, 459 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,560 and they're actually killing each other for these -- 460 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:42,760 for shoes. 461 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,480 I mean, the thing I remember best 462 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,560 is still Rick Telander's cover story in Sports Illustrated. 463 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,120 I feel like the sneakers were a focal point 464 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,200 because it was something relatively new. 465 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,040 Telander: I think I've got it in here somewhere. 466 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,760 I keep all my Sports Illustrated files up here. 467 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,560 So, that was 1990. 468 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,320 Well, I remember the shocking aspect of this cover. 469 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,920 You have to look at it. 470 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,360 It's so dark, and you can't tell what you're looking at. 471 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,040 And then, you realize it's a guy with a gun, 472 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,320 he's grabbing the shoes that are hanging over the shoulder. 473 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,560 I haven't looked at this article in, I would say, 24 years. 474 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,760 It's mind-blowing. 475 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,320 I mean, it really is. 476 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,880 Is it the shoes? Money? It's got to be the shoes. 477 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,800 It's Mars Blackmon to Michael Jordan in a Nike commercial. 478 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,200 "For 15-year-old Michael Eugene Thomas, 479 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,360 it definitely was the shoes. 480 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,960 A ninth grader at Meade Senior High School, 481 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,400 Thomas was found strangled on May 2nd, 1989. 482 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,000 Charged with first-degree murder was James David Martin, 17, 483 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,440 a basketball buddy." 484 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,960 The kid was murdered, and left in the woods 485 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,040 for a pair of two-week old shoes. 486 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,840 It's just... 487 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,320 I don't know. 488 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,480 It's, you know, within it is something so primitive 489 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,280 and wrong that it -- it's just obvious. 490 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,080 But on the other side of it is, what led you to this? 491 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,320 What led you to think that that status symbol could possibly, 492 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,160 possibly be worth somebody's life? 493 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,680 Like so many problems, 494 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,640 there's an answer that seems very simple. 495 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:16,880 Throw the kid away. 496 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,760 Put him jail, throw the key away. 497 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,960 And there's answers that are very complex. 498 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,880 And it's always easy to take the easy answer, 499 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,520 and just crack down more on the law. 500 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,440 But how about solving the problems 501 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,800 that lead somebody to this in the first place, 502 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,480 that would feel so dispossessed that they would think 503 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,000 that a life is worth somebody's shoes. 504 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,040 Telander: What led you to this? 505 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,800 What led you to think that that status symbol could possibly, 506 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,600 possibly be worth somebody's life. 507 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,080 Like so many problems, 508 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,120 there's an answer that seems very simple. 509 01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,360 Throw the kid away. 510 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,200 Put him jail, throw the key away. 511 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,400 And there's answers that are very complex. 512 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,360 And it's always easy to take the easy answer, 513 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,000 and just crack down more on the law. 514 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,920 But how about solving the problems 515 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,240 that lead somebody to this in the first place, 516 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,960 that would feel so dispossessed that they would think 517 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,240 that a life is worth somebody's shoes. 518 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,960 So, it's really a story about scarcity. 519 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,200 The idea is that the brand sells out every Saturday morning 520 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,600 when shoes are released, and consumers come back 521 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,800 the next Saturday for another shot at it. 522 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,560 And it's interesting we're talking about scarcity 523 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,240 with a $3 billion brand. 524 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,600 But they have been able to build this up over time by making sure 525 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,400 that they never had enough supply to meet the demand. 526 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,800 Lazenby: Are Nike officials wringing their hands with glee 527 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,880 over those profits and growth? 528 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,120 Yes. 529 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,800 But that becomes very, very awkward 530 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,400 when you consider the ugly elements of that. 531 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,720 Once upon a time, not so long ago, shoes were just shoes. 532 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,840 And basketball shoes were no more glamorous 533 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,280 than any other piece of sports equipment. 534 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,480 That was before Michael Jordan learned how to fly. 535 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,320 When his success went through the roof, 536 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,240 the shoes he endorsed for Nike went right along with him. 537 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,480 And now, critics say they are flying just a little too high. 538 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,600 Air Jordans are expensive, exclusive, and hard enough 539 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:22,920 to get that some children lie, steal, even kill for them. 540 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,360 A boy was robbed after school. 541 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,560 It turns out, the bandit was after his shoes. 542 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,720 Woman: Part of the problem is that each store 543 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,200 has a limited amount of about 150 pairs. 544 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,880 Male: Reporter: He saw a gun under the guy's shirt, and then a demand. 545 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,640 Female Reporter: Each pair costs about $180, 546 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,160 but they resale on eBay for almost $500. 547 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,160 A neighbor killed him over a pair of Air Jordans. 548 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,560 He will be buried tomorrow 549 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,080 on what would have been his 17th birthday. 550 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,320 Man: Two young men had come home from Willowbrook Mall. 551 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,240 They had pairs of the new Air Jordan sneakers. 552 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,240 Two men attacked them with guns as they pulled up to this house. 553 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,040 One of them jumped out, ran door to door, 554 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,280 trying to get help, while the other 555 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,120 jumped into the driver's seat, 556 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,080 tried to drive away, but he was shot at least once in the head. 557 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,800 The car careened out of control, hit the side of this house, 558 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,600 ruptured a gas line, and then the gunman got away. 559 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,000 All of this, this attack 560 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000 was over a pair of those new Jordan shoes. 561 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,200 Retail value $185. 562 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,840 That may be the price of a young man's life. 563 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:29,440 ♪♪ 564 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,800 Daisy: My name is Daisy Williams, and this mall here is the mall 565 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,800 that my son went to purchase his Air Jordan tennis shoes. 566 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,680 My son left this mall, headed home, 567 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,040 but he never made it safely home to me. 568 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,800 Four gentlemen followed him in their own vehicle, 569 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,640 and they pulled in front of him, 570 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,360 and got out the car, and demanded the shoes. 571 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,000 They started shooting at him. 572 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,880 They shot my son in the head, and he crashed into a home. 573 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:04,440 ♪♪ 574 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,400 This is the scene, right there. 575 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,080 This is -- oh, this is -- this just brings chills to me. 576 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,200 I haven't been here -- I haven't been here in a long time. 577 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,680 There was about 23 shell casings. 578 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,240 The shoes were on the ground. 579 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,120 Again, there were a pair of shoes here. 580 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,280 There were a pair of shoes over there. 581 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,840 If you Google man shot and killed over Air Jordan sneakers, 582 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:37,480 it's an actual video where it shows my son. 583 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,320 It doesn't show my son sitting in the car, 584 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,640 but it shows the car still running. 585 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,640 It shows the ambulance wheeling him around here, 586 01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,000 and putting him in the car. 587 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,760 and you can hear my daughter screaming, like, 588 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,200 "Let us -- please let us get in with you." 589 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,640 [ Indistinct shouting ] 590 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,480 Woman: I was at home. 591 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,080 I had just got off the phone with him, 592 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,640 like five minutes before. Told him I loved him, 593 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,080 And five minutes later, 594 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,160 his friend called me, and told me he got shot. 595 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,400 And when we got to the scene, I just ran up to the car, 596 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,240 and I seen him. 597 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,040 And I just kept saying, "Josh, you got to get up. 598 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,800 It's your sister." 599 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,920 I just kept saying he had to get up. 600 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,720 Daisy: And me and my fiance, his father, 601 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,440 we was standing behind the yellow tape. 602 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,800 And we say "Let's just see, when they put him on the stretcher, 603 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,040 will they put the sheet over him." 604 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,000 'Cause you look at the movies, 605 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,400 if they put that sheet over him, we know he gone. 606 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,000 And they took him out. 607 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,800 They had his face wrapped up. 608 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,400 But they never put the sheets over him. 609 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,600 And I was like, "Okay, my son gonna be okay." 610 01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:48,800 Man: Stay back. 611 01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,120 And we followed the ambulance to the hospital. 612 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:04,360 And at 5:35, they pronounced him dead. 613 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,520 These were the pair of shoes that he was buried in -- 614 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,520 the Kilroys. 615 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,480 Me and my mom had to pick out 616 01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:22,000 what he was gonna be buried in. 617 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,840 And my brother never wore a suit and tie, 618 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,240 so it was like, we want him to be buried in something that, 619 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,120 if he was alive, he would, you know, wear. 620 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,800 That would just make me feel happy, I guess, 621 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,400 to be buried in the same shoes that he was buried in. 622 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,760 And Michael Jordan sent us some shoes, and I have those. 623 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,200 Well, it's just one pair. 624 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,920 Man: Hold on, hold on, hold on. 625 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,080 Michael Jordan sent you shoes? -Yes. 626 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,560 But it -- to me, it just was like, 627 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,600 like, if a kid's crying, you give a kid candy, 628 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,160 they're gonna stop crying. 629 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,000 I just felt like that's what it -- that's what it was. 630 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,240 But the shoes that he sent, they were 28s. 631 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,960 They're black and lime green. 632 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,560 When he sent us those, they weren't out yet. 633 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,320 If I was to wear these down the street, 634 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,400 if people look and say "Well, they not even out yet, 635 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,640 and she have them," and then I die, 636 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,280 then my mom has another kid that was buried over -- 637 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,400 I mean, that was killed over shoes. 638 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,360 So, I waited until, like, a month 639 01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,400 after they came out to wear them. 640 01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:19,000 I'm always going back to these pictures. 641 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,120 This picture was after he purchased his shoes, 642 01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:23,920 and they were in the car. 643 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,440 He actually got out the car, and just took a picture of them. 644 01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,680 And they were -- proceeded to head home, 645 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,960 and not realizing they were being followed 646 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,480 at that time, actually. 647 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:43,840 This is my son's blood in the car. 648 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,200 Looking at the pictures, I -- I just... 649 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,800 If you don't mind, if we could stop for a little bit? 650 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:11,600 ♪♪ 651 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,520 Woman: I'm not ready for trial, but I'm just ready for -- 652 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,080 for them to see us, and know who Josh was, 653 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,840 and what they took from us. 654 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,440 All over a pair of shoes. 655 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,000 Daisy: Alright. Are y'all ready? 656 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,000 You nervous? 657 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,800 Just take a deep breath. 658 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,360 You know, we doing this for Joshua. 659 01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,960 Man: We ask almighty God that you give us the strength. 660 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,360 We ask that you gives us your spirit. 661 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,880 Joshua cannot be here with us today. 662 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,280 We thank you for waking us up, again, once again, 663 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,440 so that we can be here in his absence, and in his stead. 664 01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,200 We begin with a Houston murder case making national headlines. 665 01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,160 Female Reporter: 22-year-old Joshua Woods was shot and killed 666 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,800 for his new pair of Air Jordans. 667 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,920 Male Reporter: Daisy Williams watched with the rest of us 668 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,200 as the prosecution brought us back to that day in December, 669 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,760 right before Christmas. 670 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,800 He raises the, gun and fires, and then fires and fires 671 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,720 and fires, as the car looses control, 672 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,400 and crashes into the neighbor's house. 673 01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,160 I mean, it's just ludicrous to think that anybody would take 674 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,560 another human being's life over pairs of sneakers. 675 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,400 Daisy: My son is not the first one, and I hope and pray 676 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,400 to the good lord that he's the last one. 677 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,400 But we got to do something. 678 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,720 Nike, they have a responsibility in this. 679 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,160 And they have to do something. 680 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,920 And if nothing happens, we'll see more cases like this. 681 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,200 You'll see more mothers and fathers like me. 682 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,840 You'll see more mothers and fathers 683 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,480 like the accused killers. 684 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:40,760 The Woods family says that they want Nike to reconsider 685 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,800 how they market their Air Jordan sneakers, 686 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,200 so that something like this never happens again. 687 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,200 Man: And for those who don't understand the process 688 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,760 by which Nike markets and sells these Air Jordans, 689 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,480 what they do is, they create a propaganda campaign... 690 01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:56,680 Is it the shoes? 691 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,040 Money, it's got to be the shoes. 692 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,960 ...that stirs up the minds of young people, 693 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,360 and makes them want these shoes so bad. 694 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,560 But then, they put out only a few of them. 695 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,200 Man #2: One pair per customer. 696 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,360 And it's like, if you have birds, 697 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,440 let's say, on your porch, 698 01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:16,800 and you throw out a few seeds. Well, what's going to happen? 699 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,280 Those birds are hungry. 700 01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,120 If they really want to eat bad enough, 701 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,200 they'll begin fighting one another. 702 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,600 And unfortunately, this propaganda scheme by Nike, 703 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,600 that has been endorsed by Michael Jordan, 704 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,000 is working on so many inner-city youth across America. 705 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,720 And in this particular case, it went so far 706 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,720 that a young man lost his life. 707 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,000 Daisy: That's a good question. 708 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,800 I actually extended an invitation to them 709 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,440 to be here today. 710 01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:53,080 Unfortunately, I don't see them here. 711 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,760 Man: Nike is not here because Nike doesn't care. 712 01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,440 Michael Jordan isn't here because he cares even less. 713 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:03,280 They will take Joshua Woods' money, 714 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,120 but when he loses his life for the very shoes 715 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,200 that he purchased from them, 716 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,720 all of a sudden, we don't hear from them. 717 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,160 In corporate America, unfortunately, 718 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,560 profit is more important than human life. 719 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,200 And maybe that's trickling down 720 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,480 into the younger generation here in America, 721 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,800 why they think that materialism is more important 722 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,400 than human life. 723 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,080 Woman: It just hurts. 724 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,360 'Cause you never think somebody's life 725 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,520 will be taken over a pair of shoes. 726 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,400 And it's like, when my daughter gets older, 727 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,280 and when his son gets older, we have to tell them, 728 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,000 you know, the real story, like, why he was taken away. 729 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,680 And that hurts. 730 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,880 How do you explain to a kid that their father and their uncle 731 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,040 is gone over a pair of shoes? 732 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,640 It doesn't make sense. 733 01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,960 Daisy: I was born and raised here in Houston. 734 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,640 My children, my son and my daughter, 735 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,320 was born and raised here. 736 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,520 I didn't ask for this. 737 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,840 This was brought to me. 738 01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,320 And most people, they wouldn't have survived this. 739 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:19,120 I am in no way, shape, or form blaming Nike for my son's death. 740 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,120 But they can say something. 741 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,760 If your son, or if your daughter, 742 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,800 was Joshua Woods, 743 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,520 whatever you would do if that if was your child, 744 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,720 that's what I'm asking you to do. 745 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:36,800 ♪♪ 746 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,200 Telander: I thought, when it happened, 747 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,320 that this was likely a -- just a flash point. 748 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,400 But it hasn't passed. 749 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,800 It's as though the Air Jordan, the Jumpman, 750 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,800 has become almost like a symbol. 751 01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,480 It symbolizes so much more. 752 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:55,400 It symbolizes something that can actually make people happy. 753 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,200 It's at the root of all advertising. 754 01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,240 It's advertising that worked too well. 755 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,600 Bengtson: I mean, the fact is it's still going on now, 756 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,960 and, you know, it's kind of unfortunate that 757 01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,800 Rick wrote that cover story 25 years ago, 758 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,720 and you're still seeing this stuff happen now. 759 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,120 Williams: Jordan's sneakers, 760 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,680 they're jewels in the eyes of young black kids. 761 01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,360 And when you have these types of jewels, 762 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,800 and you wear these types of jewels on your feet, 763 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,280 especially in the neighborhoods 764 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,800 where wealth and status is scarce, 765 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,520 but heavily coveted, 766 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,680 you have things like this happen. 767 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,200 Hill: The truth is, when you have people, 768 01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,400 especially these people who are within proximity to one another, 769 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,760 in a community that's underserved, 770 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,320 that every signal, every message that they get 771 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,440 is that people don't care about what happens to you. 772 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:49,680 They don't care about offering you any opportunity 773 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:55,080 to achieve this American dream, then, you begin to take on, 774 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,440 as they say, the traits of the oppressor. 775 01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,760 It becomes sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, 776 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,360 where nobody else thinks my life is worth anything, 777 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,600 so why should I think somebody else's life is worth something? 778 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,240 And so, unfortunately, things like Jordans 779 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,000 become very big status symbols 780 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,440 in communities of color, and communities 781 01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:18,000 that are historically and presently underserved. 782 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,400 And the value of life is just not as appreciated 783 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,360 when, you know, you're hearing from every corner of society 784 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,120 how much you're not worth. 785 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,640 It's hard for you to look at yourself as worthy, 786 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,800 and certainly see that worth in somebody else. 787 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,600 Jackson: You can't ever look at a place 788 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,480 that's gonna teach you wrong to treat you right. 789 01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:41,920 Our history here in America has not been one of correctness, 790 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,200 as far as treatment is concerned. 791 01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:49,160 So, to ask a subculture inside this business, 792 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,600 you know, model that America has built on our backs, 793 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,200 to a large degree. 794 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,320 All of a sudden, we start wilding out on each other 795 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,760 for that, to ask America to step in. 796 01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,480 You know, yeah, Michael Jordan could probably have taken 797 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,000 a stronger stance on this, but at the end of the day, 798 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,800 we're still asking Nike to do something. 799 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,440 Lazenby: The real problem is they don't want to address it 800 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:11,160 in a meaningful way. 801 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,480 It is a big challenge, but there has to be something meaningful 802 01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:18,520 to find a way to stop this trend. 803 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:28,080 Lazenby: The real problem is they don't want to address it 804 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,800 in a meaningful way. 805 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,320 It is a big challenge, but there has to be something meaningful 806 01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,200 to find a way to stop this trend. 807 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,000 Telander: Where does the responsibility lie? 808 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,720 And really, you do start at the top. 809 01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,280 So, if the Air Jordans are in the image of Michael Jordan, 810 01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,080 shouldn't he have some say about what's going on? 811 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,520 And part of the criticism of Jordan is legitimate, 812 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,560 that he has not been a social leader. 813 01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,000 And other people say -- and I could argue, too -- 814 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,360 why should he be? He did enough on the court, 815 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,400 he did enough as a businessman, 816 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,000 to transcend any kind of criticism 817 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,240 you might want to lay on him for not having gone out there, 818 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,160 and marched, and had some big social program. 819 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:11,720 You know, why don't you help these kids 820 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,880 instead of exploiting them? 821 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,520 Knight: I always wondered if it's one of the things that he regrets, 822 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,800 that he didn't step in at a certain time, 823 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,200 and say, "Hey, knock it off." 824 01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,360 I don't know what kids would have done, 825 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,000 but it couldn't have hurt. 826 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,200 You know, could he have done more? 827 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,440 Yeah, he could have done more. 828 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,200 You know, but Nike, as a company, 829 01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,800 should have done more, too, possibly, if they really cared. 830 01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,360 Nike has a history of standing by their athletes, right? 831 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:37,720 And when they get into trouble, 832 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,960 unless they're really in trouble, 833 01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,360 like Lance Armstrong, 834 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,400 they stand with them very late in the game. 835 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,840 Brands used to be afraid to share their values. 836 01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,480 And now, the consumer says, 837 01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,520 "No, I want the brand to tell me what their values are." 838 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,720 And I think this is a piece of that corporate ethos now. 839 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,760 Nike will certainly more than not 840 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,080 be looked at on the right side of history -- 841 01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,400 as long as people aren't naive 842 01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,120 as to why they're on the right side of history. 843 01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,520 Not on the right side of history 844 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,640 because they felt some deep moral obligation. 845 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:07,880 They're on the right side of history 846 01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,000 because it made them money. 847 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,200 They understand, especially as a company 848 01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,200 that was kind of built on rebellion, 849 01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,480 that they understand 850 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:19,120 that rebellion is an attractive quality. 851 01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,040 It's attractive in the marketplace, you know? 852 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,280 The kids -- You needs kids to certainly buy the shoes, 853 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,400 but you need them to push it, and push it, 854 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,200 and make it a cultural staple. 855 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,840 And so, Nike understands that 856 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,880 so it makes all the sense in the world for them to appear 857 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,400 as if they care about social justice. 858 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,440 Bengtson: Obviously, the responsibility spreads out. 859 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,200 You know, obviously, there's some degree of responsibility 860 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,720 on virtually everyone, from the company down to the criminal. 861 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,600 You know, when I look back at the way 862 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,600 that first Air Jordan release happened, 863 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,600 and when they released it in 1985, 864 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,680 the initial supply sold out immediately. 865 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,280 You know, stuff was just gone. 866 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,920 And people were getting robbed for their Air Jordans 867 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,520 back then, in 1985. 868 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,800 Or people were getting offered an absurd amount of money 869 01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,800 for them in the street, immediately after buying them, 870 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,440 'cause they just couldn't get them. 871 01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:05,400 So, you know, Nike's response to this 872 01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,800 was kind of what people want them to do now. 873 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,880 They made more. They made a lot more. 874 01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,880 And that second wave of Air Jordans came out, 875 01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,080 you know, which I'm sure did help to a degree. 876 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,600 And a lot of people did buy them 877 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,000 who couldn't have gotten them the first time. 878 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,760 But unfortunately, a lot of them sat, too, you know? 879 01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,360 And there were original Air Jordans 880 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,080 available two years later, 881 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,960 three years later, for virtually nothing. 882 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,400 Nike, first and foremost, and Jordan first and foremost, 883 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,360 I mean, they're billion-dollar businesses. 884 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,800 You know, they didn't get that way by doing things 885 01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,000 like over-production. 886 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,200 You know, and I think they've kind of honed their tactics 887 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,920 to the point where, you know, 888 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,600 they know that, yes, they're never gonna make enough 889 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,920 for everybody who wants them to get them. 890 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,480 But I think they also understand, 891 01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:51,800 if they make so many that they don't sell through, 892 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:56,400 and they wind up going on sale, it ends up hurting their brand. 893 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,080 Williams: Nike has been very, very passive, 894 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,120 and kind of, for the most part, stood back on this. 895 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,120 But Nike also, you know, has a little blood 896 01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,280 on their hands, too, when it comes to this. 897 01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,560 Because they kind of created this sense of urgency -- 898 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,160 this is sense of demand. 899 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,120 And I think that type of mindset has kind of carried on 900 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,520 through the entire legacy of the brand. 901 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,880 I don't think it was intentional by Nike, at all. 902 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,240 However, they kind of created, 903 01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,880 from the start, of, "This is something rare. 904 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,960 This is something you have to get your hands on." 905 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,520 Telander: The desire to have what somebody else has 906 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,040 because you don't have it is still there. 907 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,880 And, yes, there are still crimes for these shoes, 908 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,560 for these products. 909 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,040 The things that you walk in, 910 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,440 the things that you need just to get through a day, 911 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:43,320 those things have taken on a significance 912 01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:44,600 that they never had, 913 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,560 and it's all because of Air Jordans. 914 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:55,240 ♪♪ 915 01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,120 Letterman: Alright, now, Michael, is this shoe. 916 01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,360 Now, of course, we can't show what kind of shoe this is. 917 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,080 That's okay. The color will stand for it. 918 01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,960 But is this the shoe that the NBA wouldn't let you wear? 919 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,000 Yeah. 920 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,200 Now, why wouldn't they let you wear it? Just because it's ugly? 921 01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,360 [ Laughter ] 922 01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,720 It's just a joke. 923 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,000 It's just a joke, you know what I mean? 924 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,720 And here, we have the new improved Air Jordan. 925 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,760 With some white in it. 926 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,760 Yeah, with some white in it. 927 01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,000 Now, you get a little something 928 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,840 for each of these sold, don't you? 929 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,040 Yeah. You working at it. 930 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,920 What a deal. What a deal. 931 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:33,600 ♪♪ 932 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:43,320 ♪♪ 933 01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:53,000 ♪♪ 934 01:22:53,000 --> 01:23:02,680 ♪♪ 935 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:12,360 ♪♪ 936 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:22,080 ♪♪ 937 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:31,760 ♪♪ 75085

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