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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,761 5 00:00:33,992 --> 00:00:35,535 -The judge says... 6 00:00:42,292 --> 00:00:44,896 -John put his hand on the courtroom door, 7 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,506 looked at me, and said, "Gotcha." 10 00:01:05,899 --> 00:01:09,379 -Keenya had been shot. 11 00:01:09,403 --> 00:01:13,532 Didn't know who, didn't know why. 12 00:01:19,705 --> 00:01:23,500 - 19-11... I have one down, there's blood all over. 13 00:01:41,143 --> 00:01:46,606 -"Your children are not safe anywhere, at any time." 14 00:01:50,485 --> 00:01:54,340 -A law-enforcement army is after the shooter, or shooters, 15 00:01:54,364 --> 00:01:57,743 but so far, none of the leads have paid off. 16 00:02:06,668 --> 00:02:09,856 -These are a copy of Lee Malvo's fingerprints 17 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,342 that I took when I processed him for deportation. 18 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:24,620 -Police in the DC area 19 00:02:24,644 --> 00:02:28,916 have issued a lookout for a 1990 Chevy Caprice. 20 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:30,942 -We also have a license plate number... NDA... 21 00:02:34,571 --> 00:02:36,883 -On the ground! Let me see your hands! 22 00:02:36,907 --> 00:02:40,452 23 00:03:28,333 --> 00:03:35,090 24 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:06,305 25 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:10,268 - Hello, this is a call from... - Lee Malvo. 26 00:04:10,292 --> 00:04:12,603 - an inmate at the Virginia Department of Corrections, 27 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:15,648 Red Onion State Prison. 28 00:04:15,672 --> 00:04:18,609 -41-year-old man, John Muhammad, 29 00:04:18,633 --> 00:04:20,695 and a Jamaican-born teenager... 30 00:04:20,719 --> 00:04:24,198 Sniper team that terrorized the Washington metropolitan area. 31 00:04:24,222 --> 00:04:27,160 -19-11... I have one down, there's blood all over. 32 00:04:27,184 --> 00:04:28,661 -For three weeks, 33 00:04:28,685 --> 00:04:31,497 the most intense manhunts in American history... 34 00:04:31,521 --> 00:04:34,208 -The serial killer hunting down random citizens. 35 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:37,086 -We have fear levels here that I think are higher 36 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:38,880 than they were after September 11th. 38 00:04:40,489 --> 00:04:42,884 -President Bush is talking about fighting Iraq, 39 00:04:42,908 --> 00:04:47,346 and we have a war zone right here in this own country. 40 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:50,975 -Ohh! Oh, man! 41 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:52,518 Oh, man! 42 00:04:52,542 --> 00:04:58,024 43 00:04:58,048 --> 00:05:03,553 44 00:05:52,143 --> 00:05:57,917 45 00:05:57,941 --> 00:06:00,419 -It may be the oddest race we've ever seen... 46 00:06:00,443 --> 00:06:03,130 The race going on to see which state can try, 47 00:06:03,154 --> 00:06:06,300 sentence, and execute the two sniper suspects. 48 00:06:06,324 --> 00:06:11,180 49 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:14,183 -According to federal sources, the death penalty is key 50 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:17,877 to which jurisdiction is likely to try the men first. 51 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:34,245 -Virginia prosecutors could pursue capital-murder charges 52 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:36,872 against the 17-year old suspect, Malvo, 53 00:06:36,896 --> 00:06:39,024 if he is tried as an adult. 54 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:55,516 55 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,643 -Relatives and friends of John Allen Muhammad 56 00:06:57,667 --> 00:06:59,812 have expressed shock about his arrest in connection 57 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:01,522 with the sniper shootings. 58 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:04,859 59 00:07:04,883 --> 00:07:07,653 -As an African American, we were like, "We don't do this. 60 00:07:07,677 --> 00:07:09,179 This ain't our thing." 61 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:16,037 For the Black community, it was sorrow, 62 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:20,041 it was disgust, it was frustration. 63 00:07:20,065 --> 00:07:24,486 We hadn't really been known to be mass killers. 64 00:07:32,410 --> 00:07:34,055 -And we'll shut the door and... 65 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:40,102 -At the time, it was really overwhelming, 66 00:07:40,126 --> 00:07:41,646 and I was really thinking, 67 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:45,399 you know, could he really do these things? 68 00:07:45,423 --> 00:07:48,027 70 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:56,744 71 00:07:56,768 --> 00:07:59,914 -I had a lot of questions. 72 00:07:59,938 --> 00:08:05,419 73 00:08:05,443 --> 00:08:10,257 Growing up, I didn't really get to hang out with my dad. 74 00:08:10,281 --> 00:08:13,678 Our relationship was kind of distant. 76 00:08:18,248 --> 00:08:23,729 -Seeing him on TV in that light, was I angry? 77 00:08:23,753 --> 00:08:26,482 Oh, yes. 78 00:08:26,506 --> 00:08:28,192 But at the same time, 79 00:08:28,216 --> 00:08:33,322 the why question would overshadow everything... 80 00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:37,201 Why it happened, what could we have done different 81 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:38,828 to stop it from happening? 82 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:46,852 83 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:50,798 -People can mask themselves. 84 00:08:50,822 --> 00:08:55,052 85 00:08:55,076 --> 00:08:58,055 And you don't know what snapped in his head. 86 00:08:58,079 --> 00:09:00,683 87 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:05,187 I don't think we're ever gonna understand the whole picture. 88 00:09:05,211 --> 00:09:08,774 But if we don't ask the question for the greater society, 89 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:11,569 then who will? 90 00:09:11,593 --> 00:09:12,987 -Now the latest 91 00:09:13,011 --> 00:09:15,281 on the Washington DC area sniper suspects... 92 00:09:15,305 --> 00:09:18,033 Both men have been charged with murder in Virginia, 93 00:09:18,057 --> 00:09:19,910 and that means that the 17-year-old, 94 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:24,189 John Lee Malvo, could face the death penalty. 95 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:48,189 97 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:53,319 -I could hear sirens coming down 98 00:09:53,343 --> 00:09:56,989 one of the main streets towards our office. 99 00:09:57,013 --> 00:09:58,616 Well, it was Malvo. 100 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,287 101 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:06,540 -Fortunately for the victims and for us, 102 00:10:06,564 --> 00:10:09,251 he was willing to talk about what he had done. 103 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:13,506 104 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:15,466 I mean, he gave a lot of detail. 105 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:18,219 He admitted to pulling the trigger in each case. 106 00:10:18,243 --> 00:10:20,179 And we only had that one shot 107 00:10:20,203 --> 00:10:23,432 because once he had a lawyer appointed to him... 109 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:27,794 the lawyer would have said, "Don't say anything." 110 00:10:29,838 --> 00:10:31,482 I remember he laughed 111 00:10:31,506 --> 00:10:35,110 as he described certain aspects of the killings. 112 00:10:35,134 --> 00:10:36,904 For instance, he thought it was humorous, 113 00:10:36,928 --> 00:10:38,280 that, when Sonny Buchanan was shot, 114 00:10:38,304 --> 00:10:41,099 that Sonny's lawn mower kept going. 115 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:53,420 -I remember he chortled at Mr. Martin. 116 00:10:53,444 --> 00:10:55,881 Malvo missed him with his first shot. 117 00:10:55,905 --> 00:10:59,677 And Malvo described Mr Martin, waving his hand by his head 118 00:10:59,701 --> 00:11:01,870 as if a bee had flown too close. 119 00:11:11,337 --> 00:11:15,067 -And I just remember watching him smile and laugh, 120 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:18,779 and I just thought, "What an evil person." 121 00:11:18,803 --> 00:11:20,388 That's what I thought. 122 00:11:22,891 --> 00:11:24,618 -We started to get little nuggets 123 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:27,478 that there's more than these 13 shootings. 124 00:11:41,326 --> 00:11:45,496 125 00:11:48,917 --> 00:11:51,061 -There are new indications today that the sniper shootings 126 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:54,148 in the Washington DC area may have begun much earlier 127 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,275 and much farther south. 128 00:11:56,299 --> 00:11:58,736 -Investigators are still trying to determine 129 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,864 how many times the team of two allegedly struck. 130 00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:03,365 -Victims of the serial sniper 131 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:05,701 may have been 800 miles south... 132 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,454 - two clerks shout outside the ABC beverage store 133 00:12:08,478 --> 00:12:09,872 in Montgomery, Alabama. 134 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:11,373 - fatal shooting in September 135 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:13,000 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 136 00:12:13,024 --> 00:12:14,501 -Now police are looking for links 137 00:12:14,525 --> 00:12:16,211 to another murder in Washington State... 138 00:12:16,235 --> 00:12:18,714 - the Tacoma, Washington, killing last winter 139 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:20,883 of a woman known to John Muhammad. 140 00:12:20,907 --> 00:12:24,327 Keenya Cook's shooting death is still unsolved. 141 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:28,641 -We didn't know who killed Keenya. 142 00:12:28,665 --> 00:12:32,561 143 00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:35,564 I turn on the TV, 144 00:12:35,588 --> 00:12:38,442 and I see John's picture. 145 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:42,947 146 00:12:42,971 --> 00:12:46,450 I just sit there 'cause it's John. 147 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:48,744 It's John. 148 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:50,788 It's John. 149 00:12:50,812 --> 00:12:52,790 -Investigators believe Keenya Cook died 150 00:12:52,814 --> 00:12:54,416 when she answered her front door. 151 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,837 Her 6-month-old baby girl lay upstairs. 152 00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:01,006 -I'm the connectional piece. 153 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:03,968 I was with Mildred in court that morning 154 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:07,096 when John had to give the children over to her. 156 00:13:10,331 --> 00:13:15,980 I started getting guilt feelings that it should have been me. 157 00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:18,524 It should have been me. 158 00:13:18,548 --> 00:13:20,818 That bullet... It should have been me. 159 00:13:20,842 --> 00:13:27,181 160 00:13:43,072 --> 00:13:47,201 -Lee's dedication to John Muhammad was absolute. 161 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:51,807 If somebody said, "John Muhammad made you do this," 162 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:54,476 or, "John Muhammad was wrong when he did this," 163 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:58,480 Lee would simply just close down. 164 00:13:58,504 --> 00:14:05,029 And so, in my mind, Lee was simply an instrument 165 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:06,739 that was being controlled 166 00:14:06,763 --> 00:14:10,451 and manipulated by John Muhammad. 167 00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:13,662 We were not looking to say, "He's the wrong person, 168 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:17,750 this didn't happen, these people are all fibbing," 169 00:14:17,774 --> 00:14:21,045 but we recognized that that mitigation, 170 00:14:21,069 --> 00:14:22,921 if properly presented, 171 00:14:22,945 --> 00:14:25,591 should be enough to save his life. 172 00:14:25,615 --> 00:14:29,178 173 00:14:29,202 --> 00:14:33,348 And one of our colleagues had a Jamaican heritage, 174 00:14:33,372 --> 00:14:37,269 and we asked her to assist us. 177 00:14:49,013 --> 00:14:53,702 - I was tasked with reconnecting Lee Malvo 178 00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:59,374 to his life prior John Muhammad. 179 00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:04,880 I had been warned that making a connection with Lee Malvo 180 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,382 was going to be extremely difficult 181 00:15:07,406 --> 00:15:10,993 because he was so fused with John Muhammad. 182 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:15,724 And Lee said, "Well, you're not gonna use me 183 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:18,644 to kill my father. 184 00:15:18,668 --> 00:15:21,129 We are one." 186 00:15:25,341 --> 00:15:27,778 When I was in Jamaica, one of the things that I did 187 00:15:27,802 --> 00:15:32,366 was I asked family members, friends 188 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:34,034 to send a message to him. 189 00:15:34,058 --> 00:15:37,746 -Lee, I left everything in God's hand, 190 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:41,482 and I would like to sing a song to comfort... 191 00:15:43,276 --> 00:15:47,714 -Lee's Aunt Marie was an extremely religious person. 192 00:15:47,738 --> 00:15:50,884 She didn't say anything. She sang. 193 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:55,430 -♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪ 194 00:15:55,454 --> 00:15:59,685 ♪ Oh, God, my father ♪ 195 00:15:59,709 --> 00:16:06,024 ♪ There is no shadow of turning with thee ♪ 196 00:16:06,048 --> 00:16:10,737 ♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪ 197 00:16:10,761 --> 00:16:13,073 ♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪ 198 00:16:13,097 --> 00:16:17,286 -And I can remember we heard him singing. 199 00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:20,122 It started really low... 200 00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:22,374 -♪ ...I see ♪ 201 00:16:22,398 --> 00:16:24,168 ♪ All I have... ♪ 202 00:16:24,192 --> 00:16:26,795 -And then he started singing louder and louder, 203 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:32,259 and then he just he just burst out in tears. 204 00:16:32,283 --> 00:16:35,262 -♪ ...pardon for sin ♪ 205 00:16:35,286 --> 00:16:36,913 ♪ And peace that... ♪ 206 00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:47,524 ♪ ...to cheer and to guide ♪ 207 00:16:47,548 --> 00:16:55,032 ♪ Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow ♪ 208 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:56,098 ♪ Blessings... ♪ 209 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:02,730 ♪ ...beside ♪ 210 00:17:05,399 --> 00:17:07,586 ♪ -...faithfulness ♪ 211 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:11,924 ♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪ 212 00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:16,553 ♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪ 213 00:17:16,577 --> 00:17:21,433 ♪ Lord, unto me ♪ 214 00:17:21,457 --> 00:17:29,457 215 00:17:30,341 --> 00:17:32,319 -It's a case that terrorized millions 216 00:17:32,343 --> 00:17:34,863 and captured worldwide attention. 217 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:37,866 -Suspected sniper John Muhammad goes to trial on Tuesday 218 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,493 in Virginia Beach. 219 00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:42,037 -The evidence against John Muhammad and Lee Malvo 220 00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:43,664 is so overwhelming, 221 00:17:43,688 --> 00:17:46,541 many experts say the defense strategies will center 222 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:48,543 on keeping them alive. 223 00:17:48,567 --> 00:17:52,381 224 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:55,842 -The stakes were extremely high. 225 00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:58,720 We were in dire straits in terms of getting him ready 226 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:01,932 because he was still, you know, really trapped into... 227 00:18:01,956 --> 00:18:05,394 Psychologically trapped into Muhammad. 228 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:08,981 I said, you know, I need to bring someone up from Jamaica. 229 00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:12,651 And the person who I felt was best suited for that 230 00:18:12,675 --> 00:18:16,887 was his teacher, Winsome Maxwell. 231 00:18:19,015 --> 00:18:24,454 -Walking in and seeing him... It was very traumatic. 232 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:29,835 233 00:18:29,859 --> 00:18:34,089 When he was a child, Lee needed a mother, 234 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:37,301 and I had taken Lee in. 235 00:18:37,325 --> 00:18:41,596 What he craved most was forgiveness. 236 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:44,850 He wanted most my forgiveness. 237 00:18:44,874 --> 00:18:46,810 -It was going good, and they were just talking. 238 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:48,103 They were not talking too much 239 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:49,730 about the crimes or anything like that, 240 00:18:49,754 --> 00:18:51,398 just reacquainting themselves, 241 00:18:51,422 --> 00:18:53,817 and then the following day, we went back, 242 00:18:53,841 --> 00:18:55,986 and it was a totally different person. 243 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:59,656 244 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:05,037 -He kept saying that all that night, he just heard voices, 245 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:08,248 voices compelling him to remain loyal, 246 00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,959 and he was now struggling. 247 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:16,048 -She said to him, "Tell me, Lee Malvo... 248 00:19:16,072 --> 00:19:19,176 Who do you owe loyalty to? 249 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,888 Do you owe loyalty to me, your teacher, 250 00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:27,166 who took you into her home and treated you as her son? 251 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:34,399 Or do you owe loyalty to that man who brought you here?" 252 00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:35,692 -Because Lee's like that. 253 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:38,820 He would protect whoever loves him. 254 00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:40,864 And I remember I just couldn't take it anymore. 255 00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:42,657 -And this teacher... She was crying. 256 00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:44,201 I mean, there were tears 257 00:19:44,225 --> 00:19:46,745 that were just coming down her cheeks. 258 00:19:46,769 --> 00:19:54,769 259 00:19:55,444 --> 00:19:58,256 And Lee said "Please don't cry, Miss Maxwell. 260 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:05,055 261 00:20:05,079 --> 00:20:08,934 Please don't cry, Miss Maxwell. 262 00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:11,853 Don't cry, Miss Maxwell." 263 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:13,438 And he started to cry. 264 00:20:13,462 --> 00:20:18,527 266 00:20:19,677 --> 00:20:21,905 And he said... 267 00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:25,325 And she said, "Lee, you've got to promise me 268 00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:27,810 that you've got to tell them what happened to you." 269 00:20:30,062 --> 00:20:31,873 And he said, "It's gonna be hard, Miss Maxwell, 270 00:20:31,897 --> 00:20:33,607 but I'm gonna try." 273 00:20:47,121 --> 00:20:48,765 -Now the trial is underway 274 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:52,936 for one of the two Washington DC area sniper suspects. 275 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,856 -John Allen Muhammad, the 42-year-old army veteran, 276 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,066 claimed he had nothing to do with the shootings. 277 00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:01,236 -John Muhammad was controlling, Mildred Muhammad testified, 278 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,655 but she said he was like a magnet to children 279 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:05,991 who needed a father figure. 280 00:21:06,015 --> 00:21:07,742 -Muhammad was charged with the shooting death 281 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:10,829 of Dean Meyers on October 9th, 2002. 282 00:21:10,853 --> 00:21:14,249 Prosecutors argued that Muhammad was also equally responsible 283 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,918 for the other shootings, although it was the fingerprints 284 00:21:16,942 --> 00:21:20,172 and the DNA of his alleged accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo, 285 00:21:20,196 --> 00:21:22,424 that was found on much of the evidence. 286 00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:27,220 287 00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:28,638 -And we do have some flash news 288 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,640 coming into the MSNBC studios right now, 289 00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:33,727 the Judge in the serial sniper case for John Allen Muhammad 290 00:21:33,751 --> 00:21:35,937 has come back with a death sentence 291 00:21:35,961 --> 00:21:37,564 for John Allen Muhammad. 292 00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:40,192 293 00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:43,278 -With respect to what took place, 294 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:44,946 there are no winners today. 295 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:49,034 296 00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:51,411 -Claudine was a wonderful person, 297 00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:54,063 and she's very... she's missed. 298 00:21:56,273 --> 00:21:59,211 Sometimes, it still doesn't feel like Claudine is dead. 299 00:21:59,235 --> 00:22:02,088 I just can't get to her. 300 00:22:02,112 --> 00:22:03,715 I still will pick up... 301 00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:06,426 I know her phone number right now. 302 00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:09,471 There have been days when I'll pick up my phone to call her. 303 00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:14,017 305 00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:18,146 It was a tough decision, I'm sure, but a decision 306 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:22,150 that had to be made, and it worked out 307 00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:24,528 where justice was served, and the punishment... 309 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,076 and the punishment... 311 00:22:34,311 --> 00:22:36,039 -Take your time. Take your time. 312 00:22:36,063 --> 00:22:38,250 Take your time. 313 00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:41,002 -And the punishment fit the crime. 314 00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:47,592 315 00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:51,388 -As the trial of sniper suspect John Allen Muhammad wraps up, 316 00:22:51,412 --> 00:22:52,847 jurors are hearing opening statements 317 00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:56,017 this morning in the case against Lee Malvo. 318 00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:58,687 -Even though he was 17 at the time of the shootings, 319 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:01,606 under Virginia law, Malvo could face the death penalty. 321 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:05,569 His lawyers will tell the jury today that John Muhammad, 322 00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:07,362 the older sniper defendant, 323 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:10,031 so dominated Malvo that he was brainwashed. 324 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:13,702 It's a defense of insanity. 325 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:15,912 -They did a brilliant job in presenting Malvo 326 00:23:15,936 --> 00:23:22,043 as a very clean-cut, tidy, young, quiet person. 327 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:26,798 He looked like he could be singing in the Mormon Choir. 328 00:23:26,822 --> 00:23:28,699 That wasn't the Malvo that I knew, 329 00:23:30,868 --> 00:23:33,555 -It was just a show to gain sympathy 330 00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:35,807 from the jurors, 331 00:23:35,831 --> 00:23:37,892 but you cannot come here in preppy clothes 332 00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:40,729 and try to gain sympathy on what you did. 333 00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:45,650 You're a murderer. You killed my husband. 334 00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:48,820 -Malvo is formally charged with one of the sniper shootings 335 00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:51,156 that killed FBI analyst Linda Franklin 336 00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:53,033 in the parking lot of a Home Depot. 337 00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:55,118 Prosecutors will also claim he fired the shots 338 00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:58,913 in several of the other attacks. 339 00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:02,441 -Linda Franklin's daughter, Katie, was there every day... 340 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:08,131 and watched every minute of it. 341 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:11,551 She was a tough nut. 342 00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:15,805 But when they played the 911 tape of Mr. Franklin, 343 00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:18,099 it was very difficult. 346 00:24:32,346 --> 00:24:34,616 -Okay. 347 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,288 348 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:45,710 -And we had our moments in trial that were tough. 350 00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:55,970 351 00:24:55,994 --> 00:25:01,017 352 00:25:01,041 --> 00:25:02,727 -I want them to understand, you know, 353 00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:08,608 how painful it was not to have Lori with us... 354 00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:11,528 -Wow! 355 00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:15,782 - how horrible it is to hear from your daughter, you know, 356 00:25:15,806 --> 00:25:19,619 "Daddy, I want to go and, you know, be in heaven with my mom. 357 00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:21,329 I want to die." 364 00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:56,072 -After six weeks of trial, 365 00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:58,283 it took the jury less than thirteen hours 366 00:25:58,307 --> 00:26:02,036 to reject the insanity defense of Lee Boyd Malvo's lawyers. 367 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,038 -Guilty on all counts... That is the verdict. 368 00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:05,415 Guilty of capital murder 369 00:26:05,439 --> 00:26:07,792 in the commission of an act of terrorism. 370 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:09,127 Guilty of capital murder 371 00:26:09,151 --> 00:26:10,754 for killing more than one person... 372 00:26:10,778 --> 00:26:12,839 -Now it is up to a Virginia jury to decide 373 00:26:12,863 --> 00:26:15,258 if convicted teenage sniper Lee Boyd Malvo 374 00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:16,676 should live or die. 375 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:19,995 376 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:48,398 377 00:26:50,234 --> 00:26:55,215 378 00:26:55,239 --> 00:26:57,008 -Breaking news from CNN, 379 00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:59,844 and that is that the jury in Chesapeake Virginia 380 00:26:59,868 --> 00:27:03,097 has apparently reached a decision. 381 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:06,768 It is life in prison without parole. 382 00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:08,269 He is not getting the death sentence. 383 00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:11,898 He is getting life in prison without parole. 384 00:27:11,922 --> 00:27:14,526 385 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:19,864 -I was not happy that he wasn't sentenced to death. 386 00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:23,076 I'm thinking, you're putting fourteen-year olds in prison, 387 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,870 adult prisons, for forty and fifty years, 388 00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:28,873 why can't you sentence a seventeen-year-old, 389 00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,750 you know, killer to death? 390 00:27:30,774 --> 00:27:34,212 391 00:27:34,236 --> 00:27:35,713 -I know a lot of people think 392 00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:37,632 he should have gotten a death penalty, 393 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:42,178 but you start to wonder, you know, how you really feel 394 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,055 about this person in front of you? 395 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:45,515 These were heinous crimes. 396 00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:47,433 Yeah, he did all these murders, 397 00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:49,227 he shot all these people, 398 00:27:49,251 --> 00:27:52,730 but how do you put a child to death? 399 00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:54,941 And when you sit back and look at how he got 400 00:27:54,965 --> 00:27:56,985 in the situation that he was in, 401 00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,736 was he really that responsible? 402 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,739 He's not the same as Muhammad. 403 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:06,768 So, I'm okay with the fact that he wasn't put to death. 404 00:28:08,979 --> 00:28:10,415 -When they didn't give him death, 405 00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:13,126 I wasn't disappointed. 406 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:16,421 I wasn't happy. 407 00:28:16,445 --> 00:28:19,215 I thought, "He's evil." 408 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:20,592 I think, to this day, 409 00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:23,469 Malvo would kill tomorrow if he could. 410 00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:27,932 411 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:33,670 -I remember thinking, "Why do we keep making these people?" 412 00:28:36,173 --> 00:28:39,694 The saddest part about the cyclical nature of violence 413 00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:42,822 is that we do not learn from it. 414 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:44,616 Guns, violence, bigger... 415 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,118 I mean, everything about this country. 416 00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:50,622 417 00:28:50,646 --> 00:28:54,500 The sniper in DC was a very American product... 418 00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:56,377 Made in America, 419 00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,005 bottled in America, fed to Americans... 420 00:28:59,029 --> 00:29:00,131 -There are the shots! 421 00:29:00,155 --> 00:29:01,716 - and we don't get it. 423 00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:06,620 -We don't understand why it continues. 425 00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:15,104 -And we can't deal with that 426 00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:19,484 because the gun is almost as sacred as the Bible. 427 00:29:19,508 --> 00:29:21,510 And it's supposed to be a protector, 428 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,701 But how many times does it protect versus take out? 429 00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:30,495 That's a chapter in our world 430 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,981 that we don't like to visit that room. 434 00:30:26,366 --> 00:30:28,636 -You'd see him as a big guy. Just... hey, this is a nice guy. 435 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:29,971 And that's the way he was. 436 00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:31,931 -Do you remember, every time... 437 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:33,641 Conrad, before he'd get on his bus, 438 00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:35,309 he'd go to his mirror like this... 440 00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:40,481 Make sure everything is smooth... 441 00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:42,900 his hair and everything, you know? 442 00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:44,652 -Exactly. 443 00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:48,072 -It devastated a lot of people, man... a lot of people. 444 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:49,907 -Yeah. 446 00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:56,622 -I'm still mad. 447 00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:58,416 I was... whoo! 449 00:30:59,733 --> 00:31:01,169 Whew! 450 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:03,504 I was no more good, you know, for a long time. 451 00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:08,176 I'm getting choked up now as I speak to you 452 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,264 'cause I can still feel it, you know? 453 00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:15,516 And it still gives me a lot of chills. 454 00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:20,063 456 00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:27,945 You're all right, buddy. Everything's all right. 468 00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:25,980 -His lawyers tried everything to keep him alive. 469 00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,107 The DC sniper John Allen Muhammad 470 00:33:28,131 --> 00:33:33,487 set for execution now... Only a few hours away. 471 00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:36,908 -The day of the execution... 472 00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:40,685 I came to talk to my father for the last time. 473 00:33:43,063 --> 00:33:46,125 It was just... 474 00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:48,502 "Let me go see my dad." 475 00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:50,713 -John Muhammad has never acknowledged 476 00:33:50,737 --> 00:33:52,131 committing these crimes. 477 00:33:52,155 --> 00:33:55,033 He has never expressed any remorse. 478 00:33:57,077 --> 00:34:03,267 {\an1}-When he first entered the room, he starts lining up his papers, 479 00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:05,519 telling me about different cases 480 00:34:05,543 --> 00:34:08,481 and why he couldn't have did this one 481 00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:11,234 and why he couldn't have did that one. 482 00:34:11,258 --> 00:34:14,654 And at this point, I'm starting to get frustrated 483 00:34:14,678 --> 00:34:18,532 because this wasn't what I came here for. 484 00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:21,619 You don't have to plead your case to me. 485 00:34:21,643 --> 00:34:24,288 I come here to sit down and have a talk with my dad. 486 00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:26,499 He slightly looked confused a little bit, 487 00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:30,002 but I think he understood. 488 00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:33,256 So, we talked and laughed. 489 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,592 He was really trying to cram 490 00:34:36,616 --> 00:34:41,347 twenty something years of bits and pieces that he's missed 491 00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:46,143 and try to be a father in two hours. 492 00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:47,812 -John Muhammad is preparing to die. 493 00:34:47,836 --> 00:34:50,064 He asked for a last meal. 494 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:53,067 He also could receive visitors today. 495 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:57,304 -Our son, Little John, says, "Why aren't we there?" 496 00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:04,412 I said, "I'm not gonna make excuses for your dad. 497 00:35:04,436 --> 00:35:08,582 I called to have you all put on the docket 498 00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:14,922 so that you could see him, and your dad refused." 499 00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,174 -Many believe John Muhammad's real mission 500 00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:19,218 was to murder his ex-wife, Mildred, 501 00:35:19,242 --> 00:35:22,346 and gain custody of their children. 502 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:26,975 -My children still wanted to talk to their dad. 503 00:35:26,999 --> 00:35:29,878 "If we don't talk to him now, we'll never talk to him." 504 00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:34,900 So, I said, "Okay." I called his attorney. 505 00:35:34,924 --> 00:35:39,572 He said, "John's going in the chamber. 506 00:35:39,596 --> 00:35:44,660 Before he does, I'll call to try to get him to talk to you." 507 00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:46,746 -They're assembling witnesses here at the prison tonight. 508 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,622 There are some family members of victims 509 00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:49,957 who are coming here. 510 00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:52,567 We've been told to expect about 20 of them. 511 00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:58,299 -It was a lot of us in there. 512 00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:02,845 And I could hear John talking, answering commands, 513 00:36:02,869 --> 00:36:04,013 saying, "Yes, sir, yes, sir." 514 00:36:04,037 --> 00:36:06,891 I could hear the chains. 515 00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:11,687 They put him on a gurney, stretched his arms out... 516 00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:15,483 Kind of looked like a cross a little bit... 517 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:19,719 Strapped him on, and he just lied there. 518 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,017 -The only thing I'm thinking... "That was too easy for him." 519 00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:30,456 That was too easy for him. 520 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,169 521 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:39,131 -We were waiting for the phone call, 522 00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:42,885 but watching the news at the same time. 523 00:36:42,909 --> 00:36:46,430 Right then, the announcer was coming to the podium, 524 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:48,516 and I knew that was it. 525 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:51,685 -All right, the execution of John Allen Muhammad 526 00:36:51,709 --> 00:36:53,270 has been carried out 527 00:36:53,294 --> 00:36:55,731 under the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia. 528 00:36:55,755 --> 00:37:00,611 Death was pronounced at 9:11 p.m. 529 00:37:00,635 --> 00:37:02,947 -And my children just hit the floor 530 00:37:02,971 --> 00:37:06,867 and started screaming uncontrollably. 531 00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:08,786 "I thought he said he loved us." 534 00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:17,336 -Da! 536 00:37:21,698 --> 00:37:23,843 -It just seemed like for nothing, 537 00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:28,037 and they ruined all these families for nothing. 538 00:37:30,748 --> 00:37:33,894 As a Black man, I'm just so ashamed of them, you know, 539 00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,689 because they're reflecting on me, you know, 540 00:37:36,713 --> 00:37:40,526 and I know that that's not right, you know, 541 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:43,446 but in my mind, that's right. 542 00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:47,575 It's just a total insult. 543 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,453 There are people that face worse childhoods 544 00:37:50,477 --> 00:37:52,204 and more discrimination than anything 545 00:37:52,228 --> 00:37:54,415 that they can ever imagine, 546 00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:58,210 and those people didn't just go around killing people. 547 00:37:58,234 --> 00:38:00,880 548 00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:04,425 There's just no excuse for their behavior... none whatsoever. 549 00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:10,014 550 00:38:10,038 --> 00:38:15,436 551 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:17,271 -It's finally over, you know? 552 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:25,295 553 00:38:25,345 --> 00:38:32,286 554 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:36,248 Who came out better... Him or Lee? 555 00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:39,293 And that's what's so hard about Lee. 556 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:43,005 I mean, Lee could live to be 90 years old. Who knows? 557 00:38:43,029 --> 00:38:46,217 Caged up like an animal for life. 558 00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:51,347 559 00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:53,581 That's too much, man. 563 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:54,345 -This watch was worn by Dean when he was shot. 564 00:40:54,369 --> 00:40:59,933 And this watch stopped at the moment that he hit the concrete. 566 00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:07,274 There's such a stark reminder of not only Dean, 567 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,985 but the moment that he lost his life. 569 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:17,618 Time stopped on this watch. 570 00:41:17,642 --> 00:41:20,871 And in many ways, it stopped for us, as well. 573 00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:50,526 -This was about 5 weeks after the shooting, 574 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:52,820 and it shows one area 575 00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:54,154 where there's still some scabbing. 576 00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:56,240 The wound isn't completely healed. 578 00:42:00,685 --> 00:42:04,707 I try not to let it affect me like I used to. 579 00:42:04,731 --> 00:42:06,667 I guess maybe my ex-husband 580 00:42:06,691 --> 00:42:11,463 decided that looks did count a little bit more. 581 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:16,677 And I wasn't as outgoing as I used to be... 582 00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:19,012 A lot of personality changes... 583 00:42:19,036 --> 00:42:22,683 And so he found someone else. 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