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-The judge says...
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-John put his hand
on the courtroom door,
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looked at me,
and said, "Gotcha."
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-Keenya had been shot.
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Didn't know who,
didn't know why.
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- 19-11... I have one down,
there's blood all over.
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-"Your children are not safe
anywhere, at any time."
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-A law-enforcement army is after
the shooter, or shooters,
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but so far,
none of the leads have paid off.
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-These are a copy
of Lee Malvo's fingerprints
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that I took when I processed him
for deportation.
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-Police in the DC area
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have issued a lookout
for a 1990 Chevy Caprice.
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-We also have a license
plate number... NDA...
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-On the ground!
Let me see your hands!
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- Hello, this is a call from...
- Lee Malvo.
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- an inmate at the Virginia
Department of Corrections,
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Red Onion State Prison.
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-41-year-old man, John Muhammad,
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and a Jamaican-born teenager...
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Sniper team that terrorized the
Washington metropolitan area.
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-19-11... I have one down,
there's blood all over.
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-For three weeks,
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the most intense manhunts
in American history...
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-The serial killer hunting
down random citizens.
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-We have fear levels here
that I think are higher
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than they were
after September 11th.
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-President Bush is talking
about fighting Iraq,
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and we have a war zone
right here in this own country.
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-Ohh! Oh, man!
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Oh, man!
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-It may be the oddest race
we've ever seen...
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The race going on
to see which state can try,
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sentence, and execute
the two sniper suspects.
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-According to federal sources,
the death penalty is key
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to which jurisdiction is likely
to try the men first.
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-Virginia prosecutors could
pursue capital-murder charges
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against the 17-year old suspect,
Malvo,
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if he is tried as an adult.
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-Relatives and friends
of John Allen Muhammad
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have expressed shock
about his arrest in connection
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with the sniper shootings.
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-As an African American, we were
like, "We don't do this.
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This ain't our thing."
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For the Black community,
it was sorrow,
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it was disgust,
it was frustration.
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We hadn't really been known
to be mass killers.
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-And we'll shut the door and...
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-At the time,
it was really overwhelming,
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and I was really thinking,
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you know,
could he really do these things?
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-I had a lot of questions.
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Growing up, I didn't really get
to hang out with my dad.
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Our relationship
was kind of distant.
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-Seeing him on TV in that light,
was I angry?
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Oh, yes.
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But at the same time,
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the why question
would overshadow everything...
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Why it happened, what could we
have done different
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to stop it from happening?
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-People can mask themselves.
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And you don't know
what snapped in his head.
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I don't think we're ever gonna
understand the whole picture.
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But if we don't ask the question
for the greater society,
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then who will?
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-Now the latest
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on the Washington DC area
sniper suspects...
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Both men have been charged
with murder in Virginia,
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and that means that
the 17-year-old,
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John Lee Malvo,
could face the death penalty.
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-I could hear sirens coming down
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one of the main streets
towards our office.
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Well, it was Malvo.
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-Fortunately for the victims
and for us,
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he was willing to talk about
what he had done.
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I mean, he gave a lot of detail.
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He admitted to pulling
the trigger in each case.
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And we only had that one shot
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because once he had a lawyer
appointed to him...
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the lawyer would have said,
"Don't say anything."
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I remember he laughed
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as he described
certain aspects of the killings.
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For instance, he thought
it was humorous,
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that,
when Sonny Buchanan was shot,
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that Sonny's lawn
mower kept going.
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-I remember he chortled
at Mr. Martin.
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Malvo missed him
with his first shot.
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And Malvo described Mr Martin,
waving his hand by his head
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as if a bee had flown too close.
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-And I just remember
watching him smile and laugh,
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and I just thought,
"What an evil person."
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That's what I thought.
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-We started to get
little nuggets
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that there's more
than these 13 shootings.
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-There are new indications today
that the sniper shootings
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in the Washington DC area
may have begun much earlier
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and much farther south.
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-Investigators are still trying
to determine
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how many times the team
of two allegedly struck.
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-Victims of the serial sniper
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may have been 800 miles south...
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- two clerks shout outside
the ABC beverage store
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in Montgomery, Alabama.
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- fatal shooting in September
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in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
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-Now police are looking
for links
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to another murder
in Washington State...
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- the Tacoma, Washington,
killing last winter
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of a woman
known to John Muhammad.
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Keenya Cook's shooting death
is still unsolved.
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-We didn't know
who killed Keenya.
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I turn on the TV,
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and I see John's picture.
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I just sit there
'cause it's John.
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It's John.
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It's John.
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-Investigators believe
Keenya Cook died
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when she answered
her front door.
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Her 6-month-old baby girl
lay upstairs.
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-I'm the connectional piece.
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I was with Mildred in court
that morning
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when John had to give
the children over to her.
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I started getting guilt feelings
that it should have been me.
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It should have been me.
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That bullet...
It should have been me.
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-Lee's dedication
to John Muhammad was absolute.
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If somebody said, "John Muhammad
made you do this,"
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or, "John Muhammad was wrong
when he did this,"
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Lee would simply
just close down.
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And so, in my mind,
Lee was simply an instrument
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that was being controlled
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and manipulated
by John Muhammad.
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We were not looking to say,
"He's the wrong person,
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this didn't happen,
these people are all fibbing,"
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but we recognized that
that mitigation,
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if properly presented,
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should be enough
to save his life.
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And one of our colleagues
had a Jamaican heritage,
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and we asked her to assist us.
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- I was tasked with
reconnecting Lee Malvo
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to his life prior John Muhammad.
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I had been warned that making
a connection with Lee Malvo
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was going to be
extremely difficult
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because he was so fused
with John Muhammad.
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And Lee said, "Well,
you're not gonna use me
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to kill my father.
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We are one."
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When I was in Jamaica,
one of the things that I did
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was I asked family members,
friends
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to send a message to him.
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-Lee, I left everything
in God's hand,
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and I would like to sing
a song to comfort...
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-Lee's Aunt Marie was
an extremely religious person.
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She didn't say anything.
She sang.
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-♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪
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♪ Oh, God, my father ♪
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♪ There is no shadow
of turning with thee ♪
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♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪
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♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪
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-And I can remember
we heard him singing.
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It started really low...
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-♪ ...I see ♪
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♪ All I have... ♪
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-And then he started singing
louder and louder,
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and then he just he just
burst out in tears.
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-♪ ...pardon for sin ♪
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♪ And peace that... ♪
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♪ ...to cheer and to guide ♪
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♪ Strength for today and bright
hope for tomorrow ♪
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♪ Blessings... ♪
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♪ ...beside ♪
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♪ -...faithfulness ♪
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♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪
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♪ Great is thy faithfulness ♪
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♪ Lord, unto me ♪
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-It's a case
that terrorized millions
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and captured
worldwide attention.
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-Suspected sniper John Muhammad
goes to trial on Tuesday
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in Virginia Beach.
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-The evidence against
John Muhammad and Lee Malvo
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is so overwhelming,
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many experts say the defense
strategies will center
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on keeping them alive.
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-The stakes were extremely high.
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We were in dire straits in terms
of getting him ready
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because he was still, you know,
really trapped into...
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Psychologically trapped
into Muhammad.
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I said, you know, I need to
bring someone up from Jamaica.
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And the person who I felt
was best suited for that
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was his teacher,
Winsome Maxwell.
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-Walking in and seeing him...
It was very traumatic.
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When he was a child,
Lee needed a mother,
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and I had taken Lee in.
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What he craved most
was forgiveness.
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He wanted most my forgiveness.
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-It was going good,
and they were just talking.
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They were not talking too much
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about the crimes
or anything like that,
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just reacquainting themselves,
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and then the following day,
we went back,
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and it was
a totally different person.
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-He kept saying that all that
night, he just heard voices,
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voices compelling him
to remain loyal,
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and he was now struggling.
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-She said to him,
"Tell me, Lee Malvo...
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Who do you owe loyalty to?
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Do you owe loyalty to me,
your teacher,
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who took you into her home
and treated you as her son?
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Or do you owe loyalty to
that man who brought you here?"
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-Because Lee's like that.
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He would protect
whoever loves him.
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And I remember I just
couldn't take it anymore.
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-And this teacher...
She was crying.
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I mean, there were tears
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that were just
coming down her cheeks.
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And Lee said "Please
don't cry, Miss Maxwell.
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Please don't cry, Miss Maxwell.
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Don't cry, Miss Maxwell."
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And he started to cry.
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And he said...
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And she said,
"Lee, you've got to promise me
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that you've got to tell them
what happened to you."
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And he said, "It's gonna be
hard, Miss Maxwell,
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but I'm gonna try."
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-Now the trial is underway
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for one of the two Washington DC
area sniper suspects.
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-John Allen Muhammad,
the 42-year-old army veteran,
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claimed he had nothing to do
with the shootings.
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-John Muhammad was controlling,
Mildred Muhammad testified,
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but she said he was
like a magnet to children
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who needed a father figure.
280
00:21:06,015 --> 00:21:07,742
-Muhammad was charged
with the shooting death
281
00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:10,829
of Dean Meyers
on October 9th, 2002.
282
00:21:10,853 --> 00:21:14,249
Prosecutors argued that Muhammad
was also equally responsible
283
00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,918
for the other shootings,
although it was the fingerprints
284
00:21:16,942 --> 00:21:20,172
and the DNA of his alleged
accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo,
285
00:21:20,196 --> 00:21:22,424
that was found on much
of the evidence.
286
00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:27,220
287
00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:28,638
-And we do have some flash news
288
00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,640
coming into the MSNBC studios
right now,
289
00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:33,727
the Judge in the serial sniper
case for John Allen Muhammad
290
00:21:33,751 --> 00:21:35,937
has come back
with a death sentence
291
00:21:35,961 --> 00:21:37,564
for John Allen Muhammad.
292
00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:40,192
293
00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:43,278
-With respect to what
took place,
294
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:44,946
there are no winners today.
295
00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:49,034
296
00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:51,411
-Claudine was
a wonderful person,
297
00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:54,063
and she's very... she's missed.
298
00:21:56,273 --> 00:21:59,211
Sometimes, it still doesn't feel
like Claudine is dead.
299
00:21:59,235 --> 00:22:02,088
I just can't get to her.
300
00:22:02,112 --> 00:22:03,715
I still will pick up...
301
00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:06,426
I know her phone number
right now.
302
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:09,471
There have been days when I'll
pick up my phone to call her.
303
00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:14,017
305
00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:18,146
It was a tough decision,
I'm sure, but a decision
306
00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:22,150
that had to be made,
and it worked out
307
00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:24,528
where justice was served,
and the punishment...
309
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,076
and the punishment...
311
00:22:34,311 --> 00:22:36,039
-Take your time.
Take your time.
312
00:22:36,063 --> 00:22:38,250
Take your time.
313
00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:41,002
-And the punishment
fit the crime.
314
00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:47,592
315
00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:51,388
-As the trial of sniper suspect
John Allen Muhammad wraps up,
316
00:22:51,412 --> 00:22:52,847
jurors are hearing
opening statements
317
00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:56,017
this morning
in the case against Lee Malvo.
318
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:58,687
-Even though he was 17
at the time of the shootings,
319
00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:01,606
under Virginia law, Malvo
could face the death penalty.
321
00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:05,569
His lawyers will tell the jury
today that John Muhammad,
322
00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:07,362
the older sniper defendant,
323
00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:10,031
so dominated Malvo
that he was brainwashed.
324
00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:13,702
It's a defense of insanity.
325
00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:15,912
-They did a brilliant job
in presenting Malvo
326
00:23:15,936 --> 00:23:22,043
as a very clean-cut,
tidy, young, quiet person.
327
00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:26,798
He looked like he could be
singing in the Mormon Choir.
328
00:23:26,822 --> 00:23:28,699
That wasn't the Malvo
that I knew,
329
00:23:30,868 --> 00:23:33,555
-It was just a show
to gain sympathy
330
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:35,807
from the jurors,
331
00:23:35,831 --> 00:23:37,892
but you cannot come here
in preppy clothes
332
00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:40,729
and try to gain sympathy
on what you did.
333
00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:45,650
You're a murderer.
You killed my husband.
334
00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:48,820
-Malvo is formally charged with
one of the sniper shootings
335
00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:51,156
that killed FBI analyst
Linda Franklin
336
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:53,033
in the parking lot
of a Home Depot.
337
00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:55,118
Prosecutors will also claim
he fired the shots
338
00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:58,913
in several of the other attacks.
339
00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:02,441
-Linda Franklin's daughter,
Katie, was there every day...
340
00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:08,131
and watched every minute of it.
341
00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:11,551
She was a tough nut.
342
00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:15,805
But when they played
the 911 tape of Mr. Franklin,
343
00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:18,099
it was very difficult.
346
00:24:32,346 --> 00:24:34,616
-Okay.
347
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,288
348
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:45,710
-And we had our moments
in trial that were tough.
350
00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:55,970
351
00:24:55,994 --> 00:25:01,017
352
00:25:01,041 --> 00:25:02,727
-I want them to understand,
you know,
353
00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:08,608
how painful it was
not to have Lori with us...
354
00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:11,528
-Wow!
355
00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:15,782
- how horrible it is to hear
from your daughter, you know,
356
00:25:15,806 --> 00:25:19,619
"Daddy, I want to go and, you
know, be in heaven with my mom.
357
00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:21,329
I want to die."
364
00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:56,072
-After six weeks of trial,
365
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:58,283
it took the jury
less than thirteen hours
366
00:25:58,307 --> 00:26:02,036
to reject the insanity defense
of Lee Boyd Malvo's lawyers.
367
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,038
-Guilty on all counts...
That is the verdict.
368
00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:05,415
Guilty of capital murder
369
00:26:05,439 --> 00:26:07,792
in the commission
of an act of terrorism.
370
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:09,127
Guilty of capital murder
371
00:26:09,151 --> 00:26:10,754
for killing more
than one person...
372
00:26:10,778 --> 00:26:12,839
-Now it is up to a Virginia jury
to decide
373
00:26:12,863 --> 00:26:15,258
if convicted teenage sniper
Lee Boyd Malvo
374
00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:16,676
should live or die.
375
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:19,995
376
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:48,398
377
00:26:50,234 --> 00:26:55,215
378
00:26:55,239 --> 00:26:57,008
-Breaking news from CNN,
379
00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:59,844
and that is that the jury
in Chesapeake Virginia
380
00:26:59,868 --> 00:27:03,097
has apparently reached
a decision.
381
00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:06,768
It is life in prison
without parole.
382
00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:08,269
He is not getting
the death sentence.
383
00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:11,898
He is getting life in prison
without parole.
384
00:27:11,922 --> 00:27:14,526
385
00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:19,864
-I was not happy that he wasn't
sentenced to death.
386
00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:23,076
I'm thinking, you're putting
fourteen-year olds in prison,
387
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,870
adult prisons,
for forty and fifty years,
388
00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:28,873
why can't you sentence
a seventeen-year-old,
389
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,750
you know, killer to death?
390
00:27:30,774 --> 00:27:34,212
391
00:27:34,236 --> 00:27:35,713
-I know a lot of people think
392
00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:37,632
he should have gotten
a death penalty,
393
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:42,178
but you start to wonder,
you know, how you really feel
394
00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,055
about this person
in front of you?
395
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:45,515
These were heinous crimes.
396
00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:47,433
Yeah, he did all these murders,
397
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:49,227
he shot all these people,
398
00:27:49,251 --> 00:27:52,730
but how
do you put a child to death?
399
00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:54,941
And when you sit back and look
at how he got
400
00:27:54,965 --> 00:27:56,985
in the situation that he was in,
401
00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,736
was he really that responsible?
402
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,739
He's not the same as Muhammad.
403
00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:06,768
So, I'm okay with the fact
that he wasn't put to death.
404
00:28:08,979 --> 00:28:10,415
-When they didn't give
him death,
405
00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:13,126
I wasn't disappointed.
406
00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:16,421
I wasn't happy.
407
00:28:16,445 --> 00:28:19,215
I thought, "He's evil."
408
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:20,592
I think, to this day,
409
00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:23,469
Malvo would kill tomorrow
if he could.
410
00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:27,932
411
00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:33,670
-I remember thinking, "Why do
we keep making these people?"
412
00:28:36,173 --> 00:28:39,694
The saddest part about
the cyclical nature of violence
413
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:42,822
is that we do not learn from it.
414
00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:44,616
Guns, violence, bigger...
415
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,118
I mean, everything
about this country.
416
00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:50,622
417
00:28:50,646 --> 00:28:54,500
The sniper in DC
was a very American product...
418
00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:56,377
Made in America,
419
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,005
bottled in America,
fed to Americans...
420
00:28:59,029 --> 00:29:00,131
-There are the shots!
421
00:29:00,155 --> 00:29:01,716
- and we don't get it.
423
00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:06,620
-We don't understand
why it continues.
425
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:15,104
-And we can't deal with that
426
00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:19,484
because the gun is almost
as sacred as the Bible.
427
00:29:19,508 --> 00:29:21,510
And it's supposed to be
a protector,
428
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,701
But how many times does it
protect versus take out?
429
00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:30,495
That's a chapter in our world
430
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,981
that we don't like
to visit that room.
434
00:30:26,366 --> 00:30:28,636
-You'd see him as a big guy.
Just... hey, this is a nice guy.
435
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:29,971
And that's the way he was.
436
00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:31,931
-Do you remember, every time...
437
00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:33,641
Conrad,
before he'd get on his bus,
438
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:35,309
he'd go to his mirror like
this...
440
00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:40,481
Make sure everything
is smooth...
441
00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:42,900
his hair
and everything, you know?
442
00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:44,652
-Exactly.
443
00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:48,072
-It devastated a lot of
people, man... a lot of people.
444
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:49,907
-Yeah.
446
00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:56,622
-I'm still mad.
447
00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:58,416
I was... whoo!
449
00:30:59,733 --> 00:31:01,169
Whew!
450
00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:03,504
I was no more good, you know,
for a long time.
451
00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:08,176
I'm getting choked up now
as I speak to you
452
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,264
'cause I can still feel it,
you know?
453
00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:15,516
And it still gives me
a lot of chills.
454
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:20,063
456
00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:27,945
You're all right, buddy.
Everything's all right.
468
00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:25,980
-His lawyers tried everything
to keep him alive.
469
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,107
The DC sniper
John Allen Muhammad
470
00:33:28,131 --> 00:33:33,487
set for execution now...
Only a few hours away.
471
00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:36,908
-The day of the execution...
472
00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:40,685
I came to talk to my father
for the last time.
473
00:33:43,063 --> 00:33:46,125
It was just...
474
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:48,502
"Let me go see my dad."
475
00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:50,713
-John Muhammad
has never acknowledged
476
00:33:50,737 --> 00:33:52,131
committing these crimes.
477
00:33:52,155 --> 00:33:55,033
He has never expressed
any remorse.
478
00:33:57,077 --> 00:34:03,267
{\an1}-When he first entered the room,
he starts lining up his papers,
479
00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:05,519
telling me about different cases
480
00:34:05,543 --> 00:34:08,481
and why he couldn't have
did this one
481
00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:11,234
and why he couldn't
have did that one.
482
00:34:11,258 --> 00:34:14,654
And at this point, I'm starting
to get frustrated
483
00:34:14,678 --> 00:34:18,532
because this wasn't
what I came here for.
484
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:21,619
You don't have to plead
your case to me.
485
00:34:21,643 --> 00:34:24,288
I come here to sit down
and have a talk with my dad.
486
00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:26,499
He slightly looked confused
a little bit,
487
00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:30,002
but I think he understood.
488
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:33,256
So, we talked and laughed.
489
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,592
He was really trying to cram
490
00:34:36,616 --> 00:34:41,347
twenty something years of bits
and pieces that he's missed
491
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:46,143
and try to be a father
in two hours.
492
00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:47,812
-John Muhammad is preparing
to die.
493
00:34:47,836 --> 00:34:50,064
He asked for a last meal.
494
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:53,067
He also could
receive visitors today.
495
00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:57,304
-Our son, Little John,
says, "Why aren't we there?"
496
00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:04,412
I said, "I'm not gonna
make excuses for your dad.
497
00:35:04,436 --> 00:35:08,582
I called to have you all put
on the docket
498
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:14,922
so that you could see him,
and your dad refused."
499
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,174
-Many believe
John Muhammad's real mission
500
00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:19,218
was to murder his ex-wife,
Mildred,
501
00:35:19,242 --> 00:35:22,346
and gain custody
of their children.
502
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:26,975
-My children still wanted
to talk to their dad.
503
00:35:26,999 --> 00:35:29,878
"If we don't talk to him now,
we'll never talk to him."
504
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:34,900
So, I said, "Okay."
I called his attorney.
505
00:35:34,924 --> 00:35:39,572
He said, "John's going
in the chamber.
506
00:35:39,596 --> 00:35:44,660
Before he does, I'll call to
try to get him to talk to you."
507
00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:46,746
-They're assembling witnesses
here at the prison tonight.
508
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,622
There are some family
members of victims
509
00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:49,957
who are coming here.
510
00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:52,567
We've been told to expect
about 20 of them.
511
00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:58,299
-It was a lot of us in there.
512
00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:02,845
And I could hear John talking,
answering commands,
513
00:36:02,869 --> 00:36:04,013
saying, "Yes, sir, yes, sir."
514
00:36:04,037 --> 00:36:06,891
I could hear the chains.
515
00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:11,687
They put him on a gurney,
stretched his arms out...
516
00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:15,483
Kind of looked like a cross
a little bit...
517
00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:19,719
Strapped him on,
and he just lied there.
518
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,017
-The only thing I'm thinking...
"That was too easy for him."
519
00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:30,456
That was too easy for him.
520
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,169
521
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:39,131
-We were waiting
for the phone call,
522
00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:42,885
but watching the news
at the same time.
523
00:36:42,909 --> 00:36:46,430
Right then, the announcer
was coming to the podium,
524
00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:48,516
and I knew that was it.
525
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:51,685
-All right, the execution
of John Allen Muhammad
526
00:36:51,709 --> 00:36:53,270
has been carried out
527
00:36:53,294 --> 00:36:55,731
under the laws
of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
528
00:36:55,755 --> 00:37:00,611
Death was pronounced
at 9:11 p.m.
529
00:37:00,635 --> 00:37:02,947
-And my children
just hit the floor
530
00:37:02,971 --> 00:37:06,867
and started screaming
uncontrollably.
531
00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:08,786
"I thought he said he loved us."
534
00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:17,336
-Da!
536
00:37:21,698 --> 00:37:23,843
-It just seemed like
for nothing,
537
00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:28,037
and they ruined
all these families for nothing.
538
00:37:30,748 --> 00:37:33,894
As a Black man, I'm just
so ashamed of them, you know,
539
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,689
because they're reflecting
on me, you know,
540
00:37:36,713 --> 00:37:40,526
and I know that
that's not right, you know,
541
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:43,446
but in my mind, that's right.
542
00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:47,575
It's just a total insult.
543
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,453
There are people
that face worse childhoods
544
00:37:50,477 --> 00:37:52,204
and more discrimination
than anything
545
00:37:52,228 --> 00:37:54,415
that they can ever imagine,
546
00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:58,210
and those people didn't just
go around killing people.
547
00:37:58,234 --> 00:38:00,880
548
00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:04,425
There's just no excuse for their
behavior... none whatsoever.
549
00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:10,014
550
00:38:10,038 --> 00:38:15,436
551
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:17,271
-It's finally over, you know?
552
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:25,295
553
00:38:25,345 --> 00:38:32,286
554
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:36,248
Who came out better...
Him or Lee?
555
00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:39,293
And that's what's so hard
about Lee.
556
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:43,005
I mean, Lee could live to be
90 years old. Who knows?
557
00:38:43,029 --> 00:38:46,217
Caged up like an animal
for life.
558
00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:51,347
559
00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:53,581
That's too much, man.
563
00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:54,345
-This watch was worn by Dean
when he was shot.
564
00:40:54,369 --> 00:40:59,933
And this watch stopped at the
moment that he hit the concrete.
566
00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:07,274
There's such a stark reminder
of not only Dean,
567
00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,985
but the moment
that he lost his life.
569
00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:17,618
Time stopped on this watch.
570
00:41:17,642 --> 00:41:20,871
And in many ways,
it stopped for us, as well.
573
00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:50,526
-This was about 5 weeks
after the shooting,
574
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:52,820
and it shows one area
575
00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:54,154
where there's still
some scabbing.
576
00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:56,240
The wound isn't
completely healed.
578
00:42:00,685 --> 00:42:04,707
I try not to let it affect me
like I used to.
579
00:42:04,731 --> 00:42:06,667
I guess maybe my ex-husband
580
00:42:06,691 --> 00:42:11,463
decided that looks did count
a little bit more.
581
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:16,677
And I wasn't as outgoing
as I used to be...
582
00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:19,012
A lot of personality changes...
583
00:42:19,036 --> 00:42:22,683
And so he found someone else.
Extracted and de-HI'd by Peppe @2021
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