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This is Michelle McNamara. 9 00:00:47,619 --> 00:00:50,199 -Hey, it's Michelle. -PETE KOTZ: Hi, Michelle. 10 00:00:50,285 --> 00:00:51,825 MICHELLE: Hi. 11 00:00:51,911 --> 00:00:54,411 I-- I write a lot about unsolved cases. 12 00:00:54,494 --> 00:00:57,124 One that I, um, am very fascinated with is 13 00:00:57,202 --> 00:01:00,202 the East Area Rapist, Original Night Stalker case. 14 00:01:00,285 --> 00:01:01,655 I think it's very solvable. 15 00:01:01,744 --> 00:01:03,834 There's a good likelihood that he is still alive 16 00:01:03,911 --> 00:01:05,081 and he's out there. 17 00:01:06,452 --> 00:01:08,372 I think the narcotic pull for me 18 00:01:08,452 --> 00:01:10,452 is what I think of as the powerful absence 19 00:01:10,535 --> 00:01:13,405 that haunts an unsolved crime. 20 00:01:13,494 --> 00:01:16,794 Murderers lose their power the moment we know them. 21 00:01:16,869 --> 00:01:19,119 We see their unkempt shirts, 22 00:01:19,202 --> 00:01:21,162 the uncertain fear tightening their faces 23 00:01:21,243 --> 00:01:22,993 as they're led into a courtroom. 24 00:01:23,993 --> 00:01:25,373 When I'm puzzling over the details 25 00:01:25,452 --> 00:01:26,492 of an unsolved crime, 26 00:01:26,577 --> 00:01:29,197 I'm like a rat in a maze given a task. 27 00:01:29,285 --> 00:01:32,195 And I mean that in the best possible way. 28 00:01:32,285 --> 00:01:35,735 The world narrows, the search propels. 29 00:01:35,827 --> 00:01:39,237 I felt, in the truest sense of the word, gripped. 30 00:01:39,327 --> 00:01:42,197 I had a murder habit and it was bad. 31 00:01:43,285 --> 00:01:45,985 I would feed it for the rest of my life. 32 00:01:52,327 --> 00:01:56,487 ♪ ("AVALANCHE" BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪ 33 00:02:01,993 --> 00:02:05,833 ♪ Well, I stepped Into an avalanche ♪ 34 00:02:07,327 --> 00:02:10,367 ♪ It covered up my soul ♪ 35 00:02:12,535 --> 00:02:17,785 ♪ When I am not this hunchback That you see ♪ 36 00:02:17,869 --> 00:02:21,079 ♪ I sleep beneath The golden hill ♪ 37 00:02:23,202 --> 00:02:27,122 ♪ You who wish To conquer pain ♪ 38 00:02:27,202 --> 00:02:28,872 ♪ You must learn ♪ 39 00:02:28,952 --> 00:02:33,042 ♪ Learn to serve me well ♪ 40 00:02:34,952 --> 00:02:37,242 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 41 00:02:56,702 --> 00:02:58,832 WOMAN: So, what's in Herndon, Virginia? 42 00:02:58,911 --> 00:03:01,831 PATTON OSWALT: Herndon, Virginia is where my parents live, 43 00:03:01,911 --> 00:03:04,201 so I was back there for a week, 44 00:03:04,285 --> 00:03:08,115 and while my daughter was visiting her grandparents, 45 00:03:08,202 --> 00:03:09,792 I was in the basement 46 00:03:09,869 --> 00:03:12,489 struggling to get this afterword done 47 00:03:12,577 --> 00:03:14,037 'cause it was hard going. 48 00:03:14,118 --> 00:03:17,578 Um... 'Cause I was also re-reading the book. 49 00:03:17,661 --> 00:03:19,451 And there were those moments when 50 00:03:19,535 --> 00:03:21,285 I would want to just... 51 00:03:21,369 --> 00:03:23,199 like, run upstairs and go tell her something 52 00:03:23,285 --> 00:03:24,945 because it felt like I was listening to her 53 00:03:25,035 --> 00:03:26,485 and then I'm like, "Oh no. She's not..." 54 00:03:26,577 --> 00:03:27,657 -You know. -Mm-hmm. 55 00:03:27,744 --> 00:03:29,244 So it was just-- it was a very-- 56 00:03:31,327 --> 00:03:33,327 -Yeah. Well, I can only imagine. -PATTON: For me. 57 00:03:34,786 --> 00:03:38,326 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 58 00:03:49,077 --> 00:03:53,197 MICHELLE: That summer, I hunted the serial killer at night 59 00:03:53,285 --> 00:03:55,115 from my daughter's playroom. 60 00:03:56,118 --> 00:03:58,658 I'd retreat to my makeshift workspace 61 00:03:58,744 --> 00:04:03,084 and boot up my laptop in search of a man I'd never met 62 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,790 who raped and murdered people I didn't know. 63 00:04:07,911 --> 00:04:11,201 In 1977, the Golden State Killer, 64 00:04:11,285 --> 00:04:15,905 as I'd come to call him, hadn't yet graduated to murder. 65 00:04:15,993 --> 00:04:19,453 Long before he was known by the acronym EAR/ONS 66 00:04:19,535 --> 00:04:23,235 and even before he was known as the Original Night Stalker, 67 00:04:23,327 --> 00:04:25,737 they called him the East Area Rapist, 68 00:04:25,827 --> 00:04:28,577 who was attacking women and girls in their bedrooms 69 00:04:28,661 --> 00:04:31,081 throughout Northern California. 70 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,240 CAROL DALY: This man is considered 71 00:04:33,327 --> 00:04:36,737 to have an extremely violent potential. 72 00:04:36,827 --> 00:04:38,737 There isn't much that you can do 73 00:04:38,827 --> 00:04:41,117 except comply with his demands. 74 00:04:42,702 --> 00:04:44,702 MICHELLE: He always wore a mask. 75 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:47,907 The victims slept untroubled 76 00:04:47,993 --> 00:04:52,203 until the flashlight's blaze forced open their eyes. 77 00:04:52,285 --> 00:04:55,035 Sleepy minds lumbered, then raced. 78 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,580 A figure they couldn't see wielded the light. 79 00:04:59,661 --> 00:05:02,411 But who? And why? 80 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,950 The other thing that's so interesting about this case 81 00:05:12,035 --> 00:05:13,945 that I think about a lot is, you know, 82 00:05:14,035 --> 00:05:16,905 serial killers are, um... Oh dear. 83 00:05:16,993 --> 00:05:18,663 -This is awkward. -(CAMERON CHUCKLES) 84 00:05:18,744 --> 00:05:21,124 Hi. (LAUGHS) 85 00:05:21,202 --> 00:05:23,832 Why are you wearing a skirt as a dress? 86 00:05:23,911 --> 00:05:25,201 Oh, my God. 87 00:05:25,285 --> 00:05:27,785 You are so funny. 88 00:05:27,869 --> 00:05:29,329 CAMERON CLOUTIER: So, how did you... 89 00:05:29,410 --> 00:05:30,790 Let's just start at the very beginning. 90 00:05:30,869 --> 00:05:33,909 How did you first become interested in this case? 91 00:05:33,993 --> 00:05:35,163 Like this particular case? 92 00:05:35,243 --> 00:05:37,833 So, this particular one, you know, what's interesting 93 00:05:37,911 --> 00:05:41,081 is that I remember 94 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,160 the great tragedy of this case to me 95 00:05:43,243 --> 00:05:44,663 is that it's not better known. 96 00:05:44,744 --> 00:05:46,794 I mean I can't, you know, like, you know, 97 00:05:46,869 --> 00:05:49,829 I wish Zodiac would get rid of his 15 minutes of fame 98 00:05:49,911 --> 00:05:51,791 so that EAR/ONS could get a little heat, 99 00:05:51,869 --> 00:05:53,119 -you know? Um... -CAMERON: Right. 100 00:05:53,202 --> 00:05:54,992 And so I was very shocked. 101 00:05:55,077 --> 00:05:56,787 I think it was just four or five years ago 102 00:05:56,869 --> 00:05:58,329 that I happened to be home one night 103 00:05:58,410 --> 00:06:00,660 and one of the E! shows or something was on, 104 00:06:00,744 --> 00:06:03,334 and I thought, "You've gotta be kidding me. I've never-- what?" 105 00:06:03,410 --> 00:06:07,080 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 106 00:06:08,661 --> 00:06:09,791 MICHELLE: I looked it up. 107 00:06:15,869 --> 00:06:18,989 And Larry Crompton's book kind of got me. 108 00:06:20,869 --> 00:06:23,949 That's been the last, like, year kind of obsession. 109 00:06:24,035 --> 00:06:27,035 -CAMERON: Mm-hmm. Right. -Started with that book. 110 00:06:27,118 --> 00:06:29,658 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 111 00:06:46,786 --> 00:06:48,196 WOMAN #1: It was a Friday night. 112 00:06:48,285 --> 00:06:52,325 It was probably after 1:00, closer to 2:00. 113 00:06:53,327 --> 00:06:56,327 WOMAN #2: We were awakened by a voice 114 00:06:56,410 --> 00:06:58,660 and a bright light in our face. 115 00:06:58,744 --> 00:07:03,584 WOMAN #3: Then there he is... with his ski mask 116 00:07:03,661 --> 00:07:06,871 and the only thing you can see is his silhouette. 117 00:07:06,952 --> 00:07:08,492 WOMAN #4: Then he said, uh, 118 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,040 "Don't move or I'll kill you." 119 00:07:12,118 --> 00:07:15,328 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 120 00:07:23,494 --> 00:07:25,084 MICHELLE: Welcome to Crime Scene, 121 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,910 a podcast that examines real life crimes. 122 00:07:27,993 --> 00:07:31,703 I'm Michelle McNamara of truecrimediary dot com. 123 00:07:34,369 --> 00:07:38,199 The terror began on June 18th, 1976, 124 00:07:38,285 --> 00:07:41,445 when a masked man raped a young woman home alone 125 00:07:41,535 --> 00:07:43,945 in middle class Rancho Cordova. 126 00:07:44,035 --> 00:07:45,695 (DOOR OPENS) 127 00:07:50,744 --> 00:07:53,164 Larry Crompton is a retired lieutenant 128 00:07:53,243 --> 00:07:56,293 from the Contra Costa Sheriff's Department. 129 00:07:56,369 --> 00:07:59,489 He worked on the Rapist Task Force in the '70s. 130 00:07:59,577 --> 00:08:02,287 LARRY CROMPTON: Okay. All of these were suspects 131 00:08:02,369 --> 00:08:06,909 that we-- we worked on and, uh, eliminated. 132 00:08:06,993 --> 00:08:08,163 And, uh... 133 00:08:08,243 --> 00:08:11,743 and some of them really, really did look good. 134 00:08:11,827 --> 00:08:12,987 But, uh... 135 00:08:13,077 --> 00:08:15,697 MICHELLE: He recently published a book on the case. 136 00:08:16,661 --> 00:08:19,161 Sudden Terror draws on police reports, 137 00:08:19,243 --> 00:08:21,833 victim interviews, Crompton's notes, 138 00:08:21,911 --> 00:08:23,741 newspaper clippings. 139 00:08:25,202 --> 00:08:27,662 What follows is my conversation with him. 140 00:08:27,744 --> 00:08:30,874 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 141 00:08:34,702 --> 00:08:36,582 -(LARRY MUMBLING) -MICHELLE: So, to put together your book, 142 00:08:36,661 --> 00:08:38,491 you mostly went through your files. Was that... 143 00:08:38,577 --> 00:08:40,657 -LARRY: Yeah, I had everything. -Wow. 144 00:08:40,744 --> 00:08:43,994 LARRY: And I was there. 145 00:08:44,077 --> 00:08:46,907 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 146 00:08:48,243 --> 00:08:51,993 LARRY: Now present, Sergeant Larry Crompton, 147 00:08:52,077 --> 00:08:53,407 Sheriff's Office. 148 00:08:58,369 --> 00:09:00,489 We're conducting an interview for... 149 00:09:01,619 --> 00:09:04,119 case file 7917426 150 00:09:04,202 --> 00:09:08,372 that occurred on 6-11-79. 151 00:09:08,452 --> 00:09:10,122 MICHELLE: You talked about it in the book so well, 152 00:09:10,202 --> 00:09:12,332 sort of coming in, and that you felt him 153 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:14,950 and I just wondered, like, what that feeling was like. 154 00:09:15,035 --> 00:09:16,325 LARRY: It's just-- 155 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:18,950 it's hard to believe this, 156 00:09:20,077 --> 00:09:22,447 but when I walked into the house 157 00:09:22,869 --> 00:09:23,949 I had a feeling. 158 00:09:27,285 --> 00:09:28,785 The hair on the back of my neck 159 00:09:28,869 --> 00:09:31,449 would just feel like it was standing up. 160 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:37,793 It was just the... 161 00:09:38,744 --> 00:09:42,334 the fear that was in the victims 162 00:09:42,410 --> 00:09:44,950 and, uh, and listening to what they-- 163 00:09:45,035 --> 00:09:47,035 what they said. It... 164 00:09:47,118 --> 00:09:50,328 It just had a feeling that this is a madman. 165 00:09:53,035 --> 00:09:56,155 It wasn't anything that we had dealt with before. 166 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,080 He always wore a mask, 167 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,240 always wore gloves, 168 00:10:13,327 --> 00:10:15,487 talked through clenched teeth, 169 00:10:16,661 --> 00:10:20,621 set the houses up prior to the victim's arriving, 170 00:10:20,702 --> 00:10:22,952 unlocked doors and windows, 171 00:10:23,035 --> 00:10:24,535 opened gates. 172 00:10:25,327 --> 00:10:26,737 Okay. 173 00:10:26,827 --> 00:10:29,037 This is our backyard. 174 00:10:29,118 --> 00:10:32,158 This was the window right here. 175 00:10:32,243 --> 00:10:34,373 It's on the far side of the house. 176 00:10:35,911 --> 00:10:38,291 I came out here, I walked down here, 177 00:10:38,369 --> 00:10:41,619 and went this way to the front of the street, 178 00:10:41,702 --> 00:10:44,492 and that's how I got out, right there. 179 00:10:45,744 --> 00:10:47,544 This is the back fence 180 00:10:48,327 --> 00:10:50,157 to get over. 181 00:10:50,243 --> 00:10:52,083 LARRY: If there was a man in the house, 182 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,740 he would throw shoelaces on the bed 183 00:10:54,827 --> 00:10:57,367 and tell the woman to tie him up. 184 00:10:57,452 --> 00:11:01,082 He would rummage and then he would come back with dishes. 185 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,830 He'd put dishes on the man's back 186 00:11:02,911 --> 00:11:05,241 and tell him, "If I hear these dishes rattle, 187 00:11:05,327 --> 00:11:06,577 I'm gonna kill your wife." 188 00:11:06,661 --> 00:11:07,871 WOMAN: This is our family room... 189 00:11:07,952 --> 00:11:11,242 And that was what he was putting into their minds, 190 00:11:11,327 --> 00:11:13,947 that they were going to die. 191 00:11:14,035 --> 00:11:17,405 And that's what he did over and over and over. 192 00:11:18,369 --> 00:11:20,119 Two-two-seventy-eight. 193 00:11:23,327 --> 00:11:24,577 Twenty-three. 194 00:11:27,327 --> 00:11:32,197 The attack happened on May 14th, uh, 1977. 195 00:11:32,285 --> 00:11:35,115 So this was my first birthday after the attack. 196 00:11:38,243 --> 00:11:41,123 This is mine. That's the room it was in. 197 00:11:41,202 --> 00:11:44,042 There's my kitchen. 198 00:11:44,118 --> 00:11:48,118 Boy, I have not looked at these pictures in a long time. 199 00:11:49,786 --> 00:11:52,406 My job is to catch him, and I didn't do that. 200 00:11:52,494 --> 00:11:55,914 And, uh, I can't let it go. 201 00:11:57,619 --> 00:12:00,369 MICHELLE: Were normally the victims so relieved that they were alive 202 00:12:00,452 --> 00:12:01,872 -that they-- -LARRY: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. 203 00:12:01,952 --> 00:12:03,162 -MICHELLE: Yeah. -LARRY: Definitely. 204 00:12:03,243 --> 00:12:04,833 MICHELLE: Yeah. I wondered. I tried to put myself 205 00:12:04,911 --> 00:12:06,991 in that situation, you know, and, uh... 206 00:12:07,077 --> 00:12:08,617 to go into someone's home 207 00:12:08,702 --> 00:12:09,992 is screwing with them mentally too. 208 00:12:10,077 --> 00:12:12,367 -LARRY: Yeah. -MICHELLE: Ugh, yeah. 209 00:12:12,452 --> 00:12:14,292 -That's scary. -LARRY: Yeah. 210 00:12:14,369 --> 00:12:18,329 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 211 00:12:33,702 --> 00:12:38,122 You know, I think the story of the victim-- victims, 212 00:12:38,202 --> 00:12:39,992 it has to be told. 213 00:12:42,619 --> 00:12:46,579 PATTON: I remember Michelle ultimately wanted to serve 214 00:12:46,661 --> 00:12:49,371 helping to get this guy caught. 215 00:12:49,452 --> 00:12:54,082 She looked at it from the hopeful, optimistic, 216 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,240 humans putting puzzles together, 217 00:12:56,327 --> 00:12:57,907 trying to get closure, 218 00:12:57,993 --> 00:13:01,703 trying to make sense of violence and despair. 219 00:13:03,327 --> 00:13:04,827 I mean, what drives me 220 00:13:04,911 --> 00:13:10,831 is the need to put a face on a unknown killer. 221 00:13:10,911 --> 00:13:13,791 And what-- what I love 222 00:13:13,869 --> 00:13:17,039 is this intersection of sort of technology and crime solving, 223 00:13:17,118 --> 00:13:20,078 in that people can get sort of wheeled out of their house 224 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,120 for something they did in 1957 because of the internet, 225 00:13:23,202 --> 00:13:26,292 because of DNA. I really get off on that. 226 00:13:26,369 --> 00:13:30,079 That is so amazing to me, and I wanna be a part of that. 227 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,540 Nothing-- it's, you know, everyone has their cause, 228 00:13:32,619 --> 00:13:35,449 and this just feels like what I was born to do. 229 00:13:35,535 --> 00:13:37,485 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 230 00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:43,036 I love digging for clues, I love putting things together. 231 00:13:43,118 --> 00:13:44,578 I love the puzzling part of it. 232 00:13:44,661 --> 00:13:47,411 I love being wrong because sometimes it proves 233 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:49,874 that you didn't know enough, and you learn new techniques. 234 00:13:49,952 --> 00:13:52,542 I love every single aspect of it. 235 00:13:55,077 --> 00:13:58,197 MAN: What led you to starting this blog? 236 00:13:58,285 --> 00:14:01,325 MICHELLE: Well, I always followed crime stories, 237 00:14:01,410 --> 00:14:02,700 and I was always a writer. 238 00:14:02,786 --> 00:14:07,286 So I really just-- I started it on a lark, really. 239 00:14:07,369 --> 00:14:09,739 KAREN KILGARIFF: I started reading Michelle's blog, 240 00:14:09,827 --> 00:14:13,617 True Crime Diary, basically on a recommendation. 241 00:14:13,702 --> 00:14:16,952 And I was obsessed with it. Like, she couldn't post enough. 242 00:14:18,118 --> 00:14:21,158 Her stories and the way she told them, 243 00:14:21,243 --> 00:14:22,663 made them so memorable. 244 00:14:22,744 --> 00:14:25,124 You know, they all stuck with you. 245 00:14:25,202 --> 00:14:28,542 MICHELLE: Whatever light existed was blotted out. 246 00:14:28,619 --> 00:14:32,369 The sound of hurried footsteps faded away. 247 00:14:32,452 --> 00:14:34,122 It had that feeling of, like, 248 00:14:34,202 --> 00:14:36,242 under the blanket with a flashlight at night. 249 00:14:36,327 --> 00:14:41,037 I was kind of amazed at how quickly it caught on. 250 00:14:41,118 --> 00:14:44,368 KAREN: When people talk to me about finding that blog, 251 00:14:44,452 --> 00:14:46,492 there's a real excitement where people are like, 252 00:14:46,577 --> 00:14:48,537 "I've read every single post." 253 00:14:48,619 --> 00:14:50,829 It was like they were drug addicts or something. 254 00:14:50,911 --> 00:14:52,291 MICHELLE: I would say about a year in, 255 00:14:52,369 --> 00:14:54,409 I started to realize I wasn't really in an echo chamber, 256 00:14:54,494 --> 00:14:57,914 that people were kind of starting to read it and respond to it. 257 00:14:57,993 --> 00:15:00,993 KAREN: Most of the TV shows that would cover these stories 258 00:15:01,077 --> 00:15:04,577 were very cold or really kind of exploitive. 259 00:15:04,661 --> 00:15:06,701 We spent a bunch of time 260 00:15:06,786 --> 00:15:10,116 watching a reenactment of a beautiful young actress 261 00:15:10,202 --> 00:15:13,412 being attacked over and over while wearing lingerie. 262 00:15:13,494 --> 00:15:14,744 (WOMAN SCREAMING) 263 00:15:14,827 --> 00:15:18,907 KAREN: But Michelle's blog kind of changed, I think, the focus. 264 00:15:18,993 --> 00:15:20,623 She personalized those people. 265 00:15:20,702 --> 00:15:24,742 If you can remind people about the humanity 266 00:15:24,827 --> 00:15:26,407 at the other end of that gun. 267 00:15:26,494 --> 00:15:29,914 "This was a person with hopes and dreams, with family, 268 00:15:29,993 --> 00:15:31,833 that could've done this, this, or this." 269 00:15:31,911 --> 00:15:33,121 That's what Michelle did in her writing. 270 00:15:33,202 --> 00:15:34,872 CHRISTINE BLACKBURN: All right. Here we go, folks. 271 00:15:34,952 --> 00:15:36,202 We've got Michelle McNamara. 272 00:15:36,285 --> 00:15:38,195 She's a writer and a web sleuth. 273 00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:40,945 She has taught college writing, uh, worked as an editor, 274 00:15:41,035 --> 00:15:44,075 sold TV pilots, and also consulted for Dateline. 275 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,580 She is a truth seeker is what she is. 276 00:15:46,661 --> 00:15:48,081 -(MICHELLE LAUGHS) -Let's face it. 277 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,370 You have a career, you have a life 278 00:15:49,452 --> 00:15:51,042 because people are always gonna get murdered. 279 00:15:51,118 --> 00:15:54,658 -MICHELLE: Well. Yeah. The murder biz. -You deal with the devil. 280 00:15:54,744 --> 00:15:56,744 She was a pioneer, she was somebody 281 00:15:56,827 --> 00:15:59,117 who was creating, uh, you know, something new. 282 00:15:59,202 --> 00:16:01,872 Yeah. Nothing was like that in 2007. 283 00:16:03,243 --> 00:16:04,743 PATTON: Hi, Los Angeles. 284 00:16:04,827 --> 00:16:06,787 Patton Oswalt on Jonesy's Jukebox. 285 00:16:06,869 --> 00:16:09,159 That was "Ceremony" by New Order. 286 00:16:09,243 --> 00:16:11,413 I am sitting here with the lovely and intelligent 287 00:16:11,494 --> 00:16:12,954 Michelle McNamara, my wife, 288 00:16:13,035 --> 00:16:17,115 who is the writer and creator of truecrimediary dot com. 289 00:16:17,202 --> 00:16:18,992 I think this is one of the best written 290 00:16:19,077 --> 00:16:21,237 and creepiest crime blogs on the web. 291 00:16:21,327 --> 00:16:23,157 MICHELLE: You're such a good husband. (LAUGHS) 292 00:16:23,243 --> 00:16:25,333 PATTON: It is! No, it's a good-- I'm telling you, man. 293 00:16:25,410 --> 00:16:28,660 If this site was awful, I would have to be lying all the time. 294 00:16:28,744 --> 00:16:30,624 -(MICHELLE LAUGHS) -So, um, Michelle. 295 00:16:30,702 --> 00:16:32,122 -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm? -You were telling me about 296 00:16:32,202 --> 00:16:34,582 something going on in the Northwest right now. 297 00:16:36,577 --> 00:16:38,537 MICHELLE: Yeah, I mean, I have a theory that there is 298 00:16:38,619 --> 00:16:41,579 a serial killer operating in the Northwest 299 00:16:41,661 --> 00:16:44,871 who is killing couples, like, out camping. 300 00:16:44,952 --> 00:16:47,662 There's been about four or five cases 301 00:16:47,744 --> 00:16:49,954 where there seems to be no motive 302 00:16:50,035 --> 00:16:52,075 and they are both shot in the head. 303 00:16:53,535 --> 00:16:55,735 PATTON: I remember the Jenner case so clearly. 304 00:16:55,827 --> 00:16:57,867 That was such a turning point for her 305 00:16:57,952 --> 00:17:00,332 because she became very fascinated 306 00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:02,540 with how crimes are investigated. 307 00:17:03,911 --> 00:17:06,331 MICHELLE: It's not easy to get to this beach. 308 00:17:06,410 --> 00:17:08,660 You have to negotiate a tricky path 309 00:17:08,744 --> 00:17:10,084 down a rocky cliff. 310 00:17:14,494 --> 00:17:16,374 On Wednesday, August 18th, 311 00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:19,832 a sheriff's helicopter noticed two sleeping bags 312 00:17:19,911 --> 00:17:21,581 on Fish Head Beach. 313 00:17:21,661 --> 00:17:24,701 Despite the noise and nearness of the helicopter, 314 00:17:24,786 --> 00:17:28,786 the figures in the sleeping bags didn't move. 315 00:17:28,869 --> 00:17:32,619 Lindsay and Jason had each been shot in the head at close range 316 00:17:32,702 --> 00:17:36,042 with a .45 caliber Marlin rifle. 317 00:17:36,118 --> 00:17:37,488 PATTON: That is a creepy beach. 318 00:17:37,577 --> 00:17:38,867 MICHELLE: I showed you all that evidence-- 319 00:17:38,952 --> 00:17:41,372 or all that footage, it's a very creepy beach. 320 00:17:41,452 --> 00:17:44,412 PATTON: The act of actually going to the crime scene 321 00:17:44,494 --> 00:17:46,994 and walking the case made her go, "Oh... 322 00:17:47,077 --> 00:17:48,697 Yeah, I can't just be clicking on the internet. 323 00:17:48,786 --> 00:17:52,576 I have to go visit places and look at places." 324 00:17:52,661 --> 00:17:55,581 It changed the way she wrote about it. 325 00:17:55,661 --> 00:17:58,081 DICK GORDON: When did you make the shift, Michelle, 326 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,740 from just reading stuff and absorbing it 327 00:18:01,827 --> 00:18:04,077 to thinking, "I can do something here. 328 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,330 I can start trying to connect dots that I might see 329 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:08,830 that others have missed"? 330 00:18:08,911 --> 00:18:11,241 MICHELLE: There was this, um, kind of national news 331 00:18:11,327 --> 00:18:13,367 about a kidnapping that took place in Missouri. 332 00:18:13,452 --> 00:18:16,332 This boy had been kidnapped from a bus stop. 333 00:18:16,410 --> 00:18:19,490 And it immediately reminded me of a lesser known case 334 00:18:19,577 --> 00:18:21,077 that had happened five years before 335 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,660 that no one else was talking about, 336 00:18:22,744 --> 00:18:24,874 but there were things that were interesting to me. 337 00:18:24,952 --> 00:18:26,082 So I posted, um, 338 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,160 that I think whoever took this boy, Ben Ownby, 339 00:18:28,243 --> 00:18:30,663 probably also took this kid, Shawn Hornbeck. 340 00:18:30,744 --> 00:18:32,584 And I posted it on a Wednesday. 341 00:18:32,661 --> 00:18:34,661 That Friday, the police in St. Louis 342 00:18:34,744 --> 00:18:38,044 went to investigate a tip about where Ben Ownby might be, 343 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:39,408 and they knocked on the door, 344 00:18:39,494 --> 00:18:41,624 and Shawn Hornbeck opened the door. 345 00:18:41,702 --> 00:18:44,122 DICK: You mean, a kid who'd been kidnapped years earlier 346 00:18:44,202 --> 00:18:46,082 -answered the door? -MICHELLE: Right. Right. 347 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,120 And again, this was three days after I had posted, 348 00:18:48,202 --> 00:18:50,742 "I think they're probably taken by the same person." 349 00:18:51,702 --> 00:18:53,292 That was a big moment for me. 350 00:18:53,369 --> 00:18:56,739 I could start to see where my head full of facts and details 351 00:18:56,827 --> 00:18:59,287 could intersect with technology. 352 00:18:59,369 --> 00:19:03,079 You know, I had started to kind of use internet tools 353 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,370 to figure out that they seemed similar 354 00:19:05,452 --> 00:19:07,042 and that they might be connected. 355 00:19:07,118 --> 00:19:08,618 JACKIE KASHIAN: It's got to be amazing 356 00:19:08,702 --> 00:19:10,452 when you find a new sort of clue. 357 00:19:10,535 --> 00:19:12,325 MICHELLE: When people describe, like, 358 00:19:12,410 --> 00:19:13,830 porn addiction or something. And... 359 00:19:13,911 --> 00:19:15,951 -No, this is really weird. -JACKIE: (CHUCKLES) Right. 360 00:19:16,035 --> 00:19:18,865 MICHELLE: I can't stop myself, time disappears. 361 00:19:18,952 --> 00:19:19,992 JACKIE: Oh, right. 362 00:19:20,077 --> 00:19:21,827 MICHELLE: You know, all those things happen. 363 00:19:21,952 --> 00:19:23,162 JACKIE: So it's a genuine addiction? 364 00:19:23,243 --> 00:19:24,663 -MICHELLE: Yeah. Yeah. -JACKIE: You are onboard. 365 00:19:24,744 --> 00:19:26,124 Are you doing this now, currently? 366 00:19:26,202 --> 00:19:27,992 MICHELLE: Oh, every night, until like 2:00 in the morning. 367 00:19:28,077 --> 00:19:29,077 (JACKIE LAUGHS) 368 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:32,700 I cannot remember 369 00:19:32,786 --> 00:19:34,826 the specific time we started talking about EAR/ONS 370 00:19:34,911 --> 00:19:37,331 because every day, there was so many cases 371 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:38,450 she was following up. 372 00:19:38,535 --> 00:19:41,615 And then... just organically, 373 00:19:41,702 --> 00:19:43,952 that became the thing that got narrowed down. 374 00:19:47,035 --> 00:19:48,735 NANCY MILLER: I looked at Michelle's blog, 375 00:19:48,827 --> 00:19:52,327 truecrimediary dot com, and I was really intrigued. 376 00:19:52,410 --> 00:19:54,540 So she and I first met in 2011 377 00:19:54,619 --> 00:19:56,659 to talk about some story ideas. 378 00:19:56,744 --> 00:19:59,374 And she was so smart 379 00:19:59,452 --> 00:20:04,042 and so... (SIGHS) cool and down to earth. 380 00:20:04,118 --> 00:20:05,868 And her shit was together. 381 00:20:05,952 --> 00:20:08,832 Not only that, I really liked how she was unpretentious 382 00:20:08,911 --> 00:20:12,701 in a, obviously, pretty pretentious city and business. 383 00:20:12,786 --> 00:20:14,866 I remember she wore these, like, clogs. 384 00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:16,872 She had a backpack like a-- like a-- 385 00:20:16,952 --> 00:20:18,242 that she bought at Target. 386 00:20:18,327 --> 00:20:21,037 And she just showed up totally like in a-- in a flannel shirt 387 00:20:21,118 --> 00:20:24,118 and just as like low-key as possible. 388 00:20:24,202 --> 00:20:26,542 So we meet up, we go to this cafe. 389 00:20:26,619 --> 00:20:28,579 I think we met there like at 11:00 390 00:20:28,661 --> 00:20:30,121 and probably didn't leave 391 00:20:30,202 --> 00:20:32,872 until about 3:00 in the afternoon. 392 00:20:32,952 --> 00:20:37,792 Because she started telling me this story about this guy. 393 00:20:39,786 --> 00:20:41,366 MICHELLE: The case that is sort of my-- 394 00:20:41,452 --> 00:20:43,742 the biggest case that I'm most obsessed with is... 395 00:20:43,827 --> 00:20:47,287 The short version is, basically, he's the worst serial offender 396 00:20:47,369 --> 00:20:50,239 in modern history that no one really knows about. 397 00:20:50,327 --> 00:20:53,077 He raped over 50 women in California 398 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,040 and killed 10 people. 399 00:20:55,118 --> 00:20:58,038 Um, and he's never been caught. 400 00:20:58,993 --> 00:21:00,663 There's no one like him out there. 401 00:21:00,744 --> 00:21:02,204 There hasn't been before. 402 00:21:02,285 --> 00:21:06,235 He is a such a unique offender. 403 00:21:06,327 --> 00:21:09,487 This guy was one of the most prolific, 404 00:21:09,577 --> 00:21:12,447 violent, brutal, serial rapists, 405 00:21:12,535 --> 00:21:14,405 and eventually a murderer. 406 00:21:14,494 --> 00:21:16,204 And I had never heard of him. 407 00:21:16,285 --> 00:21:17,655 Like you'd heard of Zodiac Killer, 408 00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:19,794 you heard Son of Sam, like you hear all of these big-- 409 00:21:19,869 --> 00:21:22,199 especially in the '70s and '80s, which seemed to be 410 00:21:22,285 --> 00:21:26,155 the most fertile period for these serial killer stories. 411 00:21:26,243 --> 00:21:28,623 And I had never heard of him. 412 00:21:28,702 --> 00:21:30,792 MICHELLE: He would eat in the people's kitchens, 413 00:21:30,869 --> 00:21:32,949 he would hide ligatures under cushions 414 00:21:33,035 --> 00:21:34,535 so that when he was attacking, 415 00:21:34,619 --> 00:21:35,789 you suddenly would watch this man 416 00:21:35,869 --> 00:21:37,239 take a ligature under your cushion, 417 00:21:37,327 --> 00:21:39,287 you didn't even know he had been in your house. 418 00:21:39,369 --> 00:21:41,159 NANCY: I'm drinking this, like, Arnold Palmer 419 00:21:41,243 --> 00:21:43,293 that's like 36,000 ounces, 420 00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:45,789 and I'm like sipping on it and drinking it and drinking it 421 00:21:45,869 --> 00:21:47,449 as she's telling me this story. 422 00:21:47,535 --> 00:21:49,785 I needed to go to the bathroom really badly 423 00:21:49,869 --> 00:21:52,789 because my bladder was like about to burst. 424 00:21:52,869 --> 00:21:54,699 But I couldn't. I couldn't. 425 00:21:54,786 --> 00:21:57,156 And I just kept listening, and listening and listening. 426 00:21:57,243 --> 00:21:59,123 And that's how I knew it was a great story. 427 00:21:59,202 --> 00:22:01,702 You know, the challenge for any magazine editor, 428 00:22:01,786 --> 00:22:03,486 any reporter and writer, is... 429 00:22:03,577 --> 00:22:06,407 sure, you have, like, a person or you have a topic, 430 00:22:06,494 --> 00:22:09,454 really interesting guy from a long time ago, 431 00:22:09,535 --> 00:22:11,445 but there was nothing new to say yet. 432 00:22:15,285 --> 00:22:17,405 MICHELLE: What's fascinating to me about this case, 433 00:22:17,494 --> 00:22:20,374 is that it's rich with so many clues 434 00:22:20,452 --> 00:22:22,992 and it really seems to me that it's just 435 00:22:23,077 --> 00:22:25,037 time, energy, and curiosity. 436 00:22:25,118 --> 00:22:28,788 And that, um-- and frankly it should be solved. 437 00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:30,699 I mean, it just should be. 438 00:22:33,744 --> 00:22:37,414 When I was so, um, gripped by Crompton's book, 439 00:22:37,494 --> 00:22:41,374 I googled "East Area Rapist Original Night Stalker." 440 00:22:41,452 --> 00:22:43,872 And this came up, this link, 441 00:22:43,952 --> 00:22:46,292 to the Cold Case Files message board. 442 00:22:47,827 --> 00:22:49,237 And I was just... 443 00:22:49,327 --> 00:22:51,157 You know, for someone like me, again, 444 00:22:51,243 --> 00:22:54,083 it's like, "Oh, wow, look at all these-- 445 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,290 Oh, wow." 446 00:22:55,369 --> 00:22:56,539 -(WOMAN LAUGHING) -Like, "Wait! 447 00:22:56,619 --> 00:22:59,699 Who would spend, you know, all this time..." 448 00:22:59,786 --> 00:23:00,946 Well, me, I guess, 449 00:23:01,035 --> 00:23:03,615 because it's a week later and I've read 20,000 posts. 450 00:23:06,911 --> 00:23:08,371 You know, certainly in this case, 451 00:23:08,452 --> 00:23:10,542 there was this community of people. 452 00:23:10,619 --> 00:23:12,869 They all had different reasons for being involved in it. 453 00:23:12,952 --> 00:23:14,952 Some of them, you know, were from Sacramento 454 00:23:15,035 --> 00:23:17,285 and remembered and were still fearful 455 00:23:17,369 --> 00:23:18,949 and wanted to see it closed. 456 00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,989 Others were more kind of just, um, 457 00:23:25,077 --> 00:23:27,327 data mining, sleuth kind of people. 458 00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:32,832 You know, this was unique to me 459 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:34,331 because I've never actually been part of 460 00:23:34,410 --> 00:23:36,870 this sort of message board community before. 461 00:23:36,952 --> 00:23:40,082 They throw around clues, you know, you just-- 462 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,540 you go down the rabbit hole kind of gleefully, 463 00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:45,909 like, "Oh, there's just this unending thread of information 464 00:23:45,993 --> 00:23:47,373 that I can find." 465 00:23:48,494 --> 00:23:50,084 EAR/ONS is an acronym 466 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,740 for the East Area Rapist slash Original Night Stalker. 467 00:23:53,827 --> 00:23:57,287 It's an awkward name befitting a man who crossed jurisdictions 468 00:23:57,369 --> 00:24:00,489 and flummoxed law enforcement for decades. 469 00:24:00,577 --> 00:24:02,987 What kind of man was he? 470 00:24:03,077 --> 00:24:06,787 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 471 00:24:13,243 --> 00:24:15,453 PAUL HAYNES: I'd been aware of Michelle for, um, 472 00:24:15,535 --> 00:24:17,195 probably a few years. 473 00:24:17,285 --> 00:24:19,735 I was a fan of her True Crime Diary. 474 00:24:20,911 --> 00:24:23,791 I'd read True Crime Diary in its entirety. 475 00:24:23,869 --> 00:24:26,699 So when she finally wrote about the East Area Rapist, 476 00:24:26,786 --> 00:24:29,116 it was, you know, it was exciting. 477 00:24:29,202 --> 00:24:31,832 MICHELLE: I'm obsessed. It's not healthy. 478 00:24:31,911 --> 00:24:34,621 I know the strangest details about him. 479 00:24:34,702 --> 00:24:36,292 I know his blood type. 480 00:24:36,369 --> 00:24:38,039 I know his penis size. 481 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,290 He vaulted fences, he escaped foot chases. 482 00:24:42,369 --> 00:24:46,199 But I believe it's the rare moments when he was human 483 00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:48,945 that will be his downfall in the end. 484 00:24:49,035 --> 00:24:52,945 Her writing evoked the central, um, hook for me, 485 00:24:53,035 --> 00:24:53,985 which was the mystery, 486 00:24:54,077 --> 00:24:57,197 the question of who is behind this crime? 487 00:24:57,285 --> 00:24:59,655 She wasn't a ghoulish gore-hound. 488 00:24:59,744 --> 00:25:01,414 There was nothing tasteless about her writing. 489 00:25:01,494 --> 00:25:03,334 It struck just the right tone. 490 00:25:03,410 --> 00:25:05,120 MICHELLE: An impressive community of people 491 00:25:05,202 --> 00:25:08,412 has come together at an A&E sponsored website. 492 00:25:08,494 --> 00:25:10,834 Unlike other unsolved mystery communities, 493 00:25:10,911 --> 00:25:13,621 the EAR/ONS community's desire for justice 494 00:25:13,702 --> 00:25:15,992 feels strong and sincere. 495 00:25:16,077 --> 00:25:19,077 She reached out to me privately, and we started corresponding, 496 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,330 and, um, it was evident she was, like, 497 00:25:21,410 --> 00:25:23,740 entrenched in this case. As was I. 498 00:25:23,827 --> 00:25:26,197 MICHELLE: I just kind of... I saw who seemed to be 499 00:25:26,285 --> 00:25:28,365 some of the, like, kind of leaders on the board, 500 00:25:28,452 --> 00:25:30,372 and I just began kind of personal messaging. 501 00:25:30,452 --> 00:25:32,292 PAUL: You know, we started exchanging notes 502 00:25:32,369 --> 00:25:36,789 and, um, developed a rapport pretty quickly. 503 00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:38,619 You know, we just built mutual trust 504 00:25:38,702 --> 00:25:39,912 until we were just, you know, 505 00:25:39,993 --> 00:25:42,663 openly sharing our work with each other. 506 00:25:42,744 --> 00:25:44,414 And that's when we discovered that a lot of it 507 00:25:44,494 --> 00:25:46,334 had intersected. 508 00:25:47,535 --> 00:25:49,785 MICHELLE: We kind of started just exchanging ideas 509 00:25:49,869 --> 00:25:51,199 and theories and things like that. 510 00:25:51,285 --> 00:25:53,325 And we just kind of forged a friendship, 511 00:25:53,410 --> 00:25:55,200 you know, a strange friendship 512 00:25:55,285 --> 00:25:57,945 over this strange 30-year-old case. 513 00:26:00,911 --> 00:26:02,831 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -Hi. 514 00:26:02,911 --> 00:26:04,291 My name is Michelle. 515 00:26:04,369 --> 00:26:07,039 I'm a longtime lurker on the EAR/ONS board. 516 00:26:07,118 --> 00:26:09,368 The case is of interest to me, and you seem 517 00:26:09,452 --> 00:26:12,582 really measured and thoughtful in your responses. 518 00:26:12,661 --> 00:26:15,701 I wanted to know if you have any thoughts on something. 519 00:26:15,786 --> 00:26:17,696 I spent an afternoon doing some research, 520 00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:21,906 and I feel like I've stumbled upon a compelling suspect. 521 00:26:21,993 --> 00:26:24,123 MELANIE BARBEAU: Hi, Michelle. Thanks for trusting me 522 00:26:24,202 --> 00:26:25,582 with this information. 523 00:26:25,661 --> 00:26:26,911 I'm a Sacramento native 524 00:26:26,993 --> 00:26:29,663 and have been investigating this case for years. 525 00:26:29,744 --> 00:26:30,874 Let's talk. 526 00:26:32,327 --> 00:26:33,867 MICHELLE: I traveled to Sacramento 527 00:26:33,952 --> 00:26:36,872 to meet a woman about whom I know very little, 528 00:26:36,952 --> 00:26:39,992 including the spelling of her last name. 529 00:26:43,661 --> 00:26:46,701 The Social Worker operates as a kind of gatekeeper 530 00:26:46,786 --> 00:26:49,536 between investigators and the board community. 531 00:26:49,619 --> 00:26:51,489 This irks some posters 532 00:26:51,577 --> 00:26:54,657 who accuse her of hinting at confidential information 533 00:26:54,744 --> 00:26:57,794 but then shutting down when asked to share. 534 00:26:57,869 --> 00:27:00,239 She greeted me in the parking lot 535 00:27:00,327 --> 00:27:03,867 by waving her arms wildly overhead. 536 00:27:03,952 --> 00:27:05,702 I liked her right away. 537 00:27:06,702 --> 00:27:08,292 Well, we had been in communication. 538 00:27:08,369 --> 00:27:10,449 I knew she was flying into Sacramento, 539 00:27:10,535 --> 00:27:13,035 and she was another civilian that was interested 540 00:27:13,118 --> 00:27:14,788 in the movement. 541 00:27:14,869 --> 00:27:17,409 And we would drive around to the crime scenes. 542 00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:19,584 I would take her to the areas. 543 00:27:19,661 --> 00:27:22,161 And so we drove around for hours. 544 00:27:22,243 --> 00:27:24,333 We're gonna go about five miles from here. 545 00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:25,660 MICHELLE: Okay. 546 00:27:25,744 --> 00:27:27,994 MELANIE: And I'm gonna take you to the first crime scenes first. 547 00:27:28,077 --> 00:27:29,197 MICHELLE: Okay. 548 00:27:29,285 --> 00:27:32,235 Our language just immediately became, uh, you know, 549 00:27:32,327 --> 00:27:34,697 about the case facts and about what we knew 550 00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:36,576 and what this, and what do you think of that? 551 00:27:36,661 --> 00:27:38,741 It was a language that nobody else probably 552 00:27:38,827 --> 00:27:40,907 could've understood what we were talking about 553 00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:42,583 unless you have that experience 554 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,411 or you were aware of the case. 555 00:27:44,494 --> 00:27:47,544 I just don't think it's gonna be somebody that everybody thought, 556 00:27:47,619 --> 00:27:49,289 "Oh, that's the East Area Rapist." 557 00:27:49,369 --> 00:27:51,579 -MICHELLE: Well, I mean, I think you're right because... -I think it's gonna be-- 558 00:27:51,661 --> 00:27:52,791 MICHELLE: ...he wasn't caught. 559 00:27:52,869 --> 00:27:54,289 -I mean, obviously-- -Yeah, I think it's gonna be 560 00:27:54,369 --> 00:27:56,159 somebody that they go, "Really?" 561 00:27:56,243 --> 00:27:57,243 MICHELLE: Right, right. 562 00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:59,697 Obviously, he didn't stand out at the time. 563 00:27:59,786 --> 00:28:01,986 There's something about two women getting together 564 00:28:02,077 --> 00:28:04,327 that have a common cause and a common goal 565 00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:06,040 and, you know, we're crusaders, 566 00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,158 we're warriors, we're on the path. 567 00:28:08,243 --> 00:28:12,163 You know, that was the beginning of a relationship. 568 00:28:12,243 --> 00:28:15,993 We'll remain lifelong friends forever. 569 00:28:16,077 --> 00:28:20,197 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 570 00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:25,491 MELANIE: First, we're gonna head into Rancho Cordova 571 00:28:25,577 --> 00:28:29,537 to, um, his very early attacks, 572 00:28:29,619 --> 00:28:32,699 number one and number three. 573 00:28:32,786 --> 00:28:36,696 MICHELLE: Sacramento. I mean, when you were growing up, 574 00:28:36,786 --> 00:28:38,736 did it seem to be, like, a lot of people who worked for-- 575 00:28:38,827 --> 00:28:41,407 -MELANIE: It was a cow town, it was... -Okay. But there's a-- 576 00:28:41,494 --> 00:28:43,204 when you say "cow town," you mean that there was 577 00:28:43,285 --> 00:28:45,905 -the outlying farms and stuff? -MELANIE: Yeah, it's kind of outlying farms. 578 00:28:45,993 --> 00:28:48,293 -MICHELLE: There's still a lot of, like-- -It's still outlying. Yeah. 579 00:28:48,369 --> 00:28:49,619 MICHELLE: Well, you see, it's interesting 580 00:28:49,702 --> 00:28:51,542 'cause coming from LA, you almost never see sort of 581 00:28:51,619 --> 00:28:53,489 -big, open, empty spaces. -Mm-hmm. 582 00:28:53,577 --> 00:28:55,537 MICHELLE: And driving around, it was like, "Wow." 583 00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:57,539 MELANIE: We're entering the Rancho Cordova realm. 584 00:28:57,619 --> 00:28:58,869 MICHELLE: Okay. Yeah. 585 00:28:58,952 --> 00:29:02,042 MELANIE: And I'm gonna take you right into the heart of it all. 586 00:29:02,118 --> 00:29:03,448 MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 587 00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:05,825 MELANIE: This is where the first crime occurs. 588 00:29:08,035 --> 00:29:13,655 When you first are, like, learning about the case, 589 00:29:13,744 --> 00:29:17,164 you just wanna get a feel for, like, 590 00:29:17,243 --> 00:29:19,913 where did these things happen? 591 00:29:19,993 --> 00:29:23,413 Who were the players in this, and, you know, 592 00:29:23,494 --> 00:29:26,204 can you tell anything more about this offender 593 00:29:26,285 --> 00:29:28,865 by going into the places he was in? 594 00:29:28,952 --> 00:29:31,372 A few houses down on the right is number three. 595 00:29:31,452 --> 00:29:33,742 MICHELLE: Yeah, so these houses are close together, yeah. 596 00:29:33,827 --> 00:29:37,237 MELANIE: Yeah. And I'll actually show you number one's house. 597 00:29:37,327 --> 00:29:41,697 For Michelle, it's like, "I wanna get in this guy's mind. 598 00:29:41,786 --> 00:29:43,486 I wanna go to these places. 599 00:29:43,577 --> 00:29:45,697 I wanna try to understand... 600 00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:50,369 Why this area, and why so close together? 601 00:29:50,452 --> 00:29:52,202 You know, was he from here?" 602 00:29:52,285 --> 00:29:55,235 -This is his hotspot. -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 603 00:29:56,494 --> 00:29:58,584 MELANIE: This is the house right here. 604 00:29:58,661 --> 00:30:01,291 He cut the phone lines 605 00:30:01,369 --> 00:30:05,619 and, uh... raped her 606 00:30:05,702 --> 00:30:07,992 and left the scene. 607 00:30:08,077 --> 00:30:13,157 This was in June. June 18, 1976, was this attack. 608 00:30:13,243 --> 00:30:15,993 And the attack we're going to was in August, 609 00:30:16,077 --> 00:30:18,867 August 29, '76. 610 00:30:18,952 --> 00:30:22,292 We're pulling up to attack number three right now. 611 00:30:22,369 --> 00:30:24,869 -That's how close he was. -MICHELLE: Wow. 612 00:30:24,952 --> 00:30:26,622 He had to be from around here. 613 00:30:26,702 --> 00:30:30,582 MELANIE: "A 12-year-old saw a masked man outside the window, 614 00:30:30,661 --> 00:30:32,331 ran and woke her mother up. 615 00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:36,160 The mother ran to the kitchen and dialed the operator. 616 00:30:36,243 --> 00:30:38,993 Moments later, EAR was standing in the doorway 617 00:30:39,077 --> 00:30:42,237 with a club and a gun, naked from the waist down. 618 00:30:42,327 --> 00:30:45,037 He told the mother, 'Freeze or I'll kill you.' 619 00:30:45,118 --> 00:30:48,868 The mother grabbed the gun band as he approached her. 620 00:30:48,952 --> 00:30:51,582 He clubbed her until she lay on the floor. 621 00:30:51,661 --> 00:30:55,081 A neighbor had seen EAR walking away with no pants on, 622 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,370 but could not describe his face." 623 00:30:57,452 --> 00:30:59,372 This is the second house in, 624 00:30:59,452 --> 00:31:01,332 and if we drive to the corner house, 625 00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:03,950 and if you kind of just look on the fence line 626 00:31:04,035 --> 00:31:05,485 right here through, 627 00:31:05,577 --> 00:31:08,537 this goes straight to the attack, 628 00:31:08,619 --> 00:31:10,289 uh, number one attack, 629 00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:12,539 in June of '76. 630 00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:15,699 The neighbor also said that he was hearing, 631 00:31:15,786 --> 00:31:20,366 for a couple months prior, people jumping over his fence. 632 00:31:20,452 --> 00:31:25,332 It's my guess that he was actually, uh, 633 00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:28,740 looking at these houses long before he attacked. 634 00:31:30,327 --> 00:31:32,827 It's amazing to me that any one person 635 00:31:32,911 --> 00:31:36,121 could get away with this many crimes. 636 00:31:36,202 --> 00:31:39,122 And you can just see how they're just stones-- 637 00:31:39,202 --> 00:31:41,832 a stone's throw away from each other. 638 00:31:41,911 --> 00:31:43,831 And right down the fence line. 639 00:31:43,911 --> 00:31:46,331 MICHELLE: But he wasn't walking on those kind of fences, was he? 640 00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:47,740 -MELANIE: Yeah. -MICHELLE: I mean, that's-- 641 00:31:47,827 --> 00:31:49,367 MELANIE: He's said to have been walking them. 642 00:31:49,452 --> 00:31:50,742 MICHELLE: Oh, wow. 643 00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:56,332 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 644 00:31:57,744 --> 00:31:59,374 PATTON: As Michelle was going up 645 00:31:59,452 --> 00:32:02,492 doing drive-arounds of Sacramento, 646 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,410 I saw her confidence growing. 647 00:32:05,494 --> 00:32:08,584 It was really exciting to have someone who was-- 648 00:32:08,661 --> 00:32:11,291 you're in love with someone, and they're doing something, 649 00:32:11,369 --> 00:32:14,659 and you can see how excited and energized they are about it. 650 00:32:14,744 --> 00:32:16,834 And that makes you excited and energized. 651 00:32:17,827 --> 00:32:18,947 (LAUGHTER) 652 00:32:19,035 --> 00:32:22,575 I'm amazed I'm still funny. I'm amazed I'm still funny 653 00:32:22,661 --> 00:32:24,791 because I'm in love. 654 00:32:24,869 --> 00:32:27,869 -I'm in love. I'm in love. -(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 655 00:32:27,952 --> 00:32:29,042 Yes, I am. 656 00:32:29,702 --> 00:32:31,332 And there is nothing-- 657 00:32:31,410 --> 00:32:33,410 nothing ends a comedian's career 658 00:32:33,494 --> 00:32:35,794 quicker than regular sex and being in love. 659 00:32:35,869 --> 00:32:38,289 It's the worst thing on the planet. 660 00:32:38,369 --> 00:32:40,329 My girlfriend is obsessed with, like, true crime 661 00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:42,620 and serial killers too. All she does all day. 662 00:32:42,702 --> 00:32:45,412 Watches FBI Files, Forensic Files on TV, 663 00:32:45,494 --> 00:32:48,744 the most graphic, disturbing, depressing shows. 664 00:32:48,827 --> 00:32:50,367 I walk in the house every single day, 665 00:32:50,452 --> 00:32:53,452 "The amount of semen found in the chest cavity lead investigators..." 666 00:32:53,535 --> 00:32:55,035 Oh, my God! 667 00:32:56,535 --> 00:32:58,865 She's like, "Shh! It's the Semen Cavity Killer, 668 00:32:58,952 --> 00:33:00,452 I wanna see what the..." (MUTTERS) 669 00:33:00,535 --> 00:33:02,485 -(SIGHS) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHS) 670 00:33:04,535 --> 00:33:07,535 When I met Michelle, it was on, um, 671 00:33:09,077 --> 00:33:10,947 it was a show at the Largo. 672 00:33:11,035 --> 00:33:13,235 I think it was May 20th. 673 00:33:14,202 --> 00:33:16,082 I had been doing The King of Queens 674 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,410 for five years, 675 00:33:17,494 --> 00:33:19,994 and I'd had a couple specials at that point. 676 00:33:20,077 --> 00:33:22,907 But she wasn't that steeped in the comedy scene, 677 00:33:22,993 --> 00:33:25,163 so she didn't know who I was. 678 00:33:25,243 --> 00:33:28,873 MICHELLE: This guy was funny. More than funny. 679 00:33:28,952 --> 00:33:32,992 He was moody and startling but hilarious. 680 00:33:33,077 --> 00:33:36,537 He could move the crowd with the tiniest of expressions. 681 00:33:36,619 --> 00:33:38,329 "Irish girls," he said. 682 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:40,990 He knocked the microphone against his forehead. 683 00:33:41,077 --> 00:33:43,327 "Irish girls are my kryptonite." 684 00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:45,700 And then I was just sitting at the bar afterwards 685 00:33:45,786 --> 00:33:47,536 and she was leaving, and she literally tapped me 686 00:33:47,619 --> 00:33:49,539 and just went, "Irish women, nice." And I was-- 687 00:33:49,619 --> 00:33:53,119 and she was so fucking, like, steamroller gorgeous 688 00:33:53,202 --> 00:33:55,662 that I was just stunned. And I ran-- I literally 689 00:33:55,744 --> 00:33:58,044 -ran around the street. -(LAUGHTER) 690 00:33:58,118 --> 00:33:59,368 And I went, "Hey!" 691 00:33:59,452 --> 00:34:01,952 And then that was the first word I ever said to her was, "Hey!" 692 00:34:02,035 --> 00:34:03,485 -Screaming. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHS) 693 00:34:03,577 --> 00:34:05,037 And then she turned around, and I'm like, 694 00:34:05,118 --> 00:34:06,448 "I'm not gonna play any fucking games. 695 00:34:06,535 --> 00:34:08,325 I want your name and number so I can take you on a date 696 00:34:08,410 --> 00:34:09,790 -this weekend, are you free?" -WOMAN: Yeah! 697 00:34:09,869 --> 00:34:11,289 And she went, "Yeah." I went, "Good! 698 00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:13,829 -Give me your number." -(AUDIENCE LAUGHS) 699 00:34:13,911 --> 00:34:19,621 It was just the most awkward, non-James Bond moment 700 00:34:19,702 --> 00:34:21,492 I could've had. 701 00:34:21,577 --> 00:34:25,787 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 702 00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:29,369 CAROLINE MEREDITH: Take off my mask. 703 00:34:29,452 --> 00:34:32,042 PATTON: Our first date in LA, they show movies 704 00:34:32,118 --> 00:34:34,118 at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. 705 00:34:34,202 --> 00:34:36,582 So we went and watched an Italian film 706 00:34:36,661 --> 00:34:37,951 called The 10th Victim. 707 00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:39,794 (GUNSHOT) 708 00:34:40,577 --> 00:34:41,947 -(GUNSHOT) -(MAN GRUNTS) 709 00:34:42,035 --> 00:34:45,285 Really goofy Italian science fiction film. 710 00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:47,949 I was too nervous to really do a lot of talking that night. 711 00:34:48,035 --> 00:34:50,485 She did way more of the talking because she just was-- 712 00:34:50,577 --> 00:34:52,157 and the more we talk, I'm like, "Oh, my God, 713 00:34:52,243 --> 00:34:55,163 she's so smart and so cool, I'm gonna screw this up." 714 00:34:59,410 --> 00:35:01,370 I remember I called her late at night 'cause I was up, 715 00:35:01,452 --> 00:35:03,292 and I'm like, "The Creature from the Black Lagoon is on," 716 00:35:03,369 --> 00:35:05,739 and she goes, "I'm watching it! It's one of my favorite movies." 717 00:35:05,827 --> 00:35:08,407 And that was one of the things we bonded over really early. 718 00:35:08,494 --> 00:35:09,744 We loved that. 719 00:35:09,827 --> 00:35:12,157 MICHELLE: We loved many of the same things, 720 00:35:12,243 --> 00:35:14,953 like Creature from the Black Lagoon, 721 00:35:15,035 --> 00:35:18,325 tales of the grim and offbeat, and good food. 722 00:35:19,577 --> 00:35:21,787 I didn't like the way his comedian friends, 723 00:35:21,869 --> 00:35:25,039 including him, seemed to tell jokes but never listen. 724 00:35:26,494 --> 00:35:29,084 He thought I was thin-skinned. 725 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,540 For a while, it seemed it might not work. 726 00:35:33,577 --> 00:35:35,867 But one night, he was saying goodbye to me, 727 00:35:35,952 --> 00:35:36,992 and he won me over 728 00:35:37,077 --> 00:35:41,197 with an adorable Edward G. Robinson impression. 729 00:35:41,285 --> 00:35:43,615 And I was doing that "Yeah, see. 730 00:35:43,702 --> 00:35:45,622 Look at the getaway sticks on that tomato." 731 00:35:45,702 --> 00:35:47,952 Like, you-- like, chatting her up, 732 00:35:48,035 --> 00:35:50,115 but in that old kinda slang, 733 00:35:50,202 --> 00:35:51,992 and she thought that was so hilarious. 734 00:35:52,077 --> 00:35:54,407 MICHELLE: I laughed and grabbed him. 735 00:35:54,993 --> 00:35:56,743 "More," I said. 736 00:35:56,827 --> 00:35:59,867 PATTON: "Ooh, look at the keister on that hot number." 737 00:35:59,952 --> 00:36:02,042 You know, couples have in-jokes with each other, 738 00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:04,408 and that became one of my, you know... 739 00:36:04,494 --> 00:36:06,874 It was just all that '30s gangster slang. 740 00:36:06,952 --> 00:36:09,452 I'd, you know, however you wanna say it. 741 00:36:09,535 --> 00:36:10,945 I can't-- Oh, God. 742 00:36:12,786 --> 00:36:15,036 MICHELLE: I wouldn't let him go. 743 00:36:15,118 --> 00:36:19,288 After a while, we gave up and moved in together. 744 00:36:19,369 --> 00:36:21,789 PATTON: I made this custom desk for her 745 00:36:21,869 --> 00:36:24,409 that was in this kind of half-moon shape. 746 00:36:24,494 --> 00:36:28,124 Like, I wanted her to have, like, this command center. 747 00:36:28,202 --> 00:36:30,952 MICHELLE: I've never tired of the Robinson impression. 748 00:36:32,452 --> 00:36:34,582 I've never tired of Patton. 749 00:36:36,744 --> 00:36:39,084 ADAM DRUCKER: Michelle knew that she was a marrying 750 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,830 a famous person, and as much as she lived a life 751 00:36:41,911 --> 00:36:45,451 that, you know, a lot of people might fantasize about, 752 00:36:45,535 --> 00:36:47,365 none of that mattered to her. 753 00:36:47,452 --> 00:36:48,792 And I mean really. 754 00:36:50,452 --> 00:36:53,412 She was a regular salt-of-the-earth 755 00:36:53,494 --> 00:36:55,874 Midwestern gal. 756 00:36:55,952 --> 00:36:58,492 And she didn't wanna be anything else. 757 00:36:58,577 --> 00:37:00,487 PATTON: The whole being photographed 758 00:37:00,577 --> 00:37:02,407 and going to premieres and stuff, 759 00:37:02,494 --> 00:37:04,044 that meant nothing to her. 760 00:37:04,118 --> 00:37:05,738 MAN: Patton, can we get a quick single? 761 00:37:05,827 --> 00:37:07,367 Especially if you're someone who's thinking, 762 00:37:07,452 --> 00:37:08,792 "I wanna go home and write later, 763 00:37:08,869 --> 00:37:10,289 I wanna get up tomorrow and write." 764 00:37:10,369 --> 00:37:12,409 ADAM: One of her favorite things in the world 765 00:37:12,494 --> 00:37:15,204 was to be in her room under the covers, 766 00:37:15,285 --> 00:37:16,825 like, with a fan, reading. 767 00:37:16,911 --> 00:37:18,741 -(PAPARAZZI CLAMORING) -You want Patton alone? 768 00:37:18,827 --> 00:37:20,327 MAN: Do you want to leave? 769 00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:21,870 (LAUGHS) Yes, I do. 770 00:37:21,952 --> 00:37:23,662 SARAH STANARD: She went to the Oscars, she went to the Grammys. 771 00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:26,044 We just always giggled about it. I mean, it was just, like, 772 00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,408 so different from how we grew up. 773 00:37:28,494 --> 00:37:30,414 She usually would wear black, and she would joke 774 00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:33,124 that they would think she was like a PR person. 775 00:37:33,202 --> 00:37:35,622 She was just an introvert. That's all. 776 00:37:35,702 --> 00:37:38,332 ADAM: She was really good at making herself 777 00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:40,700 sort of a fly on the wall and inconspicuous. 778 00:37:40,786 --> 00:37:41,826 I think it's one of the reasons 779 00:37:41,911 --> 00:37:43,541 she had an incredible insight into people, 780 00:37:43,619 --> 00:37:44,739 she listened, she watched, 781 00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:47,077 she didn't need to be the center of attention. 782 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,700 She didn't want to be. 783 00:37:48,786 --> 00:37:50,576 I think she'd always been sort of 784 00:37:50,661 --> 00:37:53,621 singled out as, "You're a terrific writer." 785 00:37:53,702 --> 00:37:56,162 And then she got to LA where, you know, 786 00:37:56,243 --> 00:37:58,663 there's a gazillion people trying to do the same thing, 787 00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:00,204 and that was hard for her. 788 00:38:00,285 --> 00:38:02,325 She hadn't experienced, you know, 789 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,330 that degree of consistent rejection 790 00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:06,540 and failure and disappointment. 791 00:38:06,619 --> 00:38:09,369 Her ultimate dream was always to write books 792 00:38:09,452 --> 00:38:11,292 or for The New Yorker. 793 00:38:11,369 --> 00:38:15,579 She also really, really wanted a child. 794 00:38:18,494 --> 00:38:21,704 Four years after we got married, our daughter was born. 795 00:38:21,786 --> 00:38:25,036 -MICHELLE: Alice, hi. -(ALICE COOS) 796 00:38:25,577 --> 00:38:26,577 MICHELLE: Hi. 797 00:38:26,661 --> 00:38:28,121 It was so amazing. 798 00:38:28,202 --> 00:38:32,542 -MICHELLE: Look at... (LAUGHS) -(PATTON HUMMING) 799 00:38:34,035 --> 00:38:37,615 MICHELLE: Oh, Alice. (LAUGHS) 800 00:38:37,702 --> 00:38:41,042 PATTON: And I think Alice was about two or three 801 00:38:41,118 --> 00:38:44,658 when Michelle was meticulously due diligence researching 802 00:38:44,744 --> 00:38:47,124 about, you know, EAR/ONS. 803 00:38:47,202 --> 00:38:51,912 MICHELLE: In Sacramento, the air is immediately better. 804 00:38:51,993 --> 00:38:55,493 Struck by the big, open spaces. 805 00:38:55,577 --> 00:38:58,697 A little over half a million, or about half a million people, 806 00:38:58,786 --> 00:38:59,826 but feels-- 807 00:38:59,911 --> 00:39:02,121 coming from Los Angeles, feels so much smaller. 808 00:39:08,827 --> 00:39:10,237 WAITRESS: How are you doing in here? 809 00:39:10,327 --> 00:39:13,447 MICHELLE: I'm good. Um, I might have-- 810 00:39:13,535 --> 00:39:15,535 Okay, this is crazy. Can I have one more latte? 811 00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:17,409 -WAITRESS: Of course. -(MICHELLE LAUGHS) 812 00:39:17,494 --> 00:39:18,994 -WAITRESS: Got it. -MICHELLE: All right. 813 00:39:19,077 --> 00:39:22,237 -But this was really yummy. -WAITRESS: Good. 814 00:39:24,243 --> 00:39:27,993 When Michelle interviewed me, we met for breakfast 815 00:39:28,077 --> 00:39:34,077 down at the Citizen Hotel in Downtown Sacramento. 816 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,410 Talking about the attack is difficult, but Michelle, 817 00:39:38,494 --> 00:39:42,244 she was so serious about the case. 818 00:39:42,327 --> 00:39:45,537 She was just the easiest person to talk to. 819 00:39:45,619 --> 00:39:48,199 MICHELLE: So, I'm from suburban Chicago. 820 00:39:48,285 --> 00:39:50,575 So all of this is so foreign to me. 821 00:39:50,661 --> 00:39:51,741 But what I wanted-- 822 00:39:51,827 --> 00:39:54,577 I'm trying to get back into sort of the mindset. 823 00:39:54,661 --> 00:39:56,951 A lot of people will say 824 00:39:57,952 --> 00:40:03,242 that the EAR crimes-- 825 00:40:03,952 --> 00:40:04,992 crime period-- 826 00:40:05,077 --> 00:40:09,077 was kind of the end of innocence for Sacramento. 827 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,330 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 828 00:40:16,993 --> 00:40:18,583 FIONA WILLIAMS: We have the confluence 829 00:40:18,661 --> 00:40:21,451 of the American and Sacramento Rivers. 830 00:40:21,535 --> 00:40:24,445 It was built up being a commerce center, 831 00:40:24,535 --> 00:40:26,985 and it became the state capital. 832 00:40:27,077 --> 00:40:31,617 We have both Mather Field and McClellan Air Base. 833 00:40:31,702 --> 00:40:35,492 So military was a big aspect of the economy 834 00:40:35,577 --> 00:40:37,577 and the people who lived here. 835 00:40:37,661 --> 00:40:40,871 Back in those days, you did know more of your neighbors, 836 00:40:40,952 --> 00:40:43,742 people didn't lock all their doors 837 00:40:43,827 --> 00:40:46,697 or their cars, necessarily, all the time. 838 00:40:46,786 --> 00:40:49,406 And terrible crime 839 00:40:49,494 --> 00:40:53,624 was just not that common. 840 00:40:56,702 --> 00:40:58,332 RICHARD SHELBY: Seventies Sacramento, 841 00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,120 being a cop was like a cop anywhere else. 842 00:41:02,202 --> 00:41:04,082 It was pretty slow. 843 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,950 And then June comes along, and you got this pervert 844 00:41:07,035 --> 00:41:08,865 later known as the East Area Rapist. 845 00:41:10,702 --> 00:41:15,952 I responded to a home invasion, a rape, 1976, October 5th. 846 00:41:16,035 --> 00:41:18,785 Jane Carson over at Wood Parkway. 847 00:41:18,869 --> 00:41:21,789 At the time the East Area rape cases started, 848 00:41:21,869 --> 00:41:23,409 I was working homicide. 849 00:41:23,494 --> 00:41:24,874 And I think it was the fifth case 850 00:41:24,952 --> 00:41:28,872 I was called to the scene on, which was Jane Carson. 851 00:41:28,952 --> 00:41:31,122 What's the feelings that you're going through, 852 00:41:31,202 --> 00:41:33,662 and wondering whether you did the right thing 853 00:41:33,744 --> 00:41:35,744 or whether you did the wrong thing 854 00:41:35,827 --> 00:41:38,447 and could you have done anything any differently. 855 00:41:38,535 --> 00:41:42,115 And I think you handled the situation very well. 856 00:41:42,202 --> 00:41:44,452 JANE CARSON: Well, I had thought of kicking him, 857 00:41:44,535 --> 00:41:46,115 but it would've been useless, 858 00:41:46,202 --> 00:41:48,082 as my hands were tied and I was blindfolded 859 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,240 -and my child was with me. -CAROL: Okay. 860 00:41:51,744 --> 00:41:54,164 RICHARD: When the husband left for work, 861 00:41:54,243 --> 00:41:56,743 the rapist was in their house and on her. 862 00:41:56,827 --> 00:41:59,657 He knew down to the minute what was going on 863 00:41:59,744 --> 00:42:02,914 in Jane's house and the neighborhood. 864 00:42:02,993 --> 00:42:04,743 When I left there that day, I was convinced 865 00:42:04,827 --> 00:42:06,907 that this probably wasn't just a routine rape. 866 00:42:06,993 --> 00:42:08,493 In fact, I know it wasn't. 867 00:42:08,577 --> 00:42:10,987 And then I started digging in deeper. 868 00:42:11,077 --> 00:42:13,077 In the meantime, we have a couple more rapes. 869 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,450 At that point, there's no question 870 00:42:14,535 --> 00:42:18,365 we had a serial rapist. He had a definite pattern. 871 00:42:18,452 --> 00:42:21,582 CAROL: When we realized that we first had a series going, 872 00:42:21,661 --> 00:42:24,701 the sheriff did not want the media to be aware of it. 873 00:42:24,786 --> 00:42:26,696 Because we didn't have anything. 874 00:42:26,786 --> 00:42:29,696 Because of what was happening within the rapes, 875 00:42:29,786 --> 00:42:31,656 he didn't want the word to get out 876 00:42:31,744 --> 00:42:33,294 to make fear in the community. 877 00:42:33,369 --> 00:42:36,119 We just-- we just weren't ready to handle anything coming in. 878 00:42:36,202 --> 00:42:38,452 You know, we didn't have that many people working it. 879 00:42:40,118 --> 00:42:41,908 MELANIE: "This is attack number eight. 880 00:42:41,993 --> 00:42:45,203 And this victim was accosted outside of her house 881 00:42:45,285 --> 00:42:48,155 as she drove her car into the driveway. 882 00:42:48,243 --> 00:42:52,373 She was taken into the backyard of her neighbor's house, 883 00:42:52,452 --> 00:42:57,492 and there were strips of cloth already laid out for ligatures. 884 00:42:57,577 --> 00:42:59,537 Her ankles were tied with cord. 885 00:42:59,619 --> 00:43:01,449 She was blindfolded, gagged. 886 00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:03,115 Jingling her car keys, 887 00:43:03,202 --> 00:43:05,912 the EAR said he'd be back in five minutes. 888 00:43:05,993 --> 00:43:08,663 Car was reportedly found in the area 889 00:43:08,744 --> 00:43:11,084 with the dog locked in the trunk." 890 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,740 CAROL: The media became aware of it. 891 00:43:12,827 --> 00:43:15,117 The sheriff said, "Please don't print anything, 892 00:43:15,202 --> 00:43:16,792 we're gonna catch this guy." 893 00:43:16,869 --> 00:43:19,909 And then as time went on and we didn't catch the guy, 894 00:43:19,993 --> 00:43:23,413 the media, uh, said, "Okay, we're gonna start printing." 895 00:43:23,494 --> 00:43:27,334 That was when the whole community was brought in. 896 00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:29,580 MELANIE: What happened right after number eight 897 00:43:29,661 --> 00:43:31,701 on 11-3-76, 898 00:43:31,786 --> 00:43:33,736 the rape series came to light 899 00:43:33,827 --> 00:43:36,237 during this meeting on crime prevention. 900 00:43:36,327 --> 00:43:38,787 There were 500 people in attendance. 901 00:43:38,869 --> 00:43:40,539 You can use a simple alarm system. 902 00:43:40,619 --> 00:43:43,739 Mount a bell device on the outside of your home. 903 00:43:43,827 --> 00:43:46,577 String some wires to a power source 904 00:43:46,661 --> 00:43:49,241 and then string the other set of wires 905 00:43:49,327 --> 00:43:52,537 right to a nightstand and have a toggle switch there. 906 00:43:52,619 --> 00:43:54,619 If you ever hear the glass breaking, 907 00:43:54,702 --> 00:43:57,412 reach over on your nightstand and flip the switch, 908 00:43:57,494 --> 00:44:00,124 the bell goes off on the outside. 909 00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,872 MELANIE: Other than by word of mouth, 910 00:44:01,952 --> 00:44:03,292 where people might be talking 911 00:44:03,369 --> 00:44:05,159 about a neighbor that had been raped, 912 00:44:05,243 --> 00:44:08,953 there wasn't a lot of information until this time. 913 00:44:09,035 --> 00:44:13,655 On 11-4-76, the first newspaper article on the EAR 914 00:44:13,744 --> 00:44:16,544 appears in the Sacramento Bee. 915 00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:18,289 RICHARD: Warren Holloway was a reporter. 916 00:44:18,369 --> 00:44:21,239 And I'd put a little one-paragraph note out to the detectives. 917 00:44:21,327 --> 00:44:23,867 "Got a rape series going in the East Area." 918 00:44:23,993 --> 00:44:25,163 And he walked out, he saw that. 919 00:44:25,243 --> 00:44:27,663 The next day on the newspaper, "East Area Rapist." 920 00:44:27,744 --> 00:44:29,834 It just got picked up and there it was, 921 00:44:29,911 --> 00:44:30,991 "East Area Rapist." 922 00:44:31,077 --> 00:44:33,327 MELANIE: Three weeks after attack number eight, 923 00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:34,540 where it was announced, 924 00:44:34,619 --> 00:44:37,119 there was a town hall meeting in Rancho Cordova. 925 00:44:37,202 --> 00:44:41,622 Of the 35 that attended, only one of those was a male. 926 00:44:43,077 --> 00:44:44,577 Following two weeks later, 927 00:44:44,661 --> 00:44:46,831 "Publicity May Have Curtailed Rapist" 928 00:44:46,911 --> 00:44:49,661 is written in the Sacramento Bee. 929 00:44:49,744 --> 00:44:52,244 Then he has his tenth attack. 930 00:44:54,202 --> 00:44:56,122 LARRY: A lot of people don't realize this, 931 00:44:56,202 --> 00:44:59,872 but six rapes in Sacramento, 932 00:44:59,952 --> 00:45:01,372 out of the first ten, 933 00:45:02,786 --> 00:45:04,786 six of them were teenagers. 934 00:45:04,869 --> 00:45:07,619 And two of them were 15 years old. 935 00:45:08,911 --> 00:45:10,791 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PAYING) ♪ 936 00:45:10,869 --> 00:45:12,659 (CAR DOOR OPENING) 937 00:45:22,285 --> 00:45:26,535 KRIS PEDRETTI: This one here is probably, um, Christmas Day, 938 00:45:26,619 --> 00:45:29,119 which, so it'd be a week after it happened. 939 00:45:37,118 --> 00:45:39,038 It was December 18th. 940 00:45:39,118 --> 00:45:42,738 There was a high school dance, and I had a cold. 941 00:45:42,827 --> 00:45:46,697 So at the last minute, I decided to stay at home. 942 00:45:46,786 --> 00:45:49,656 Uh, my parents were going to a Christmas party 943 00:45:49,744 --> 00:45:51,544 and my sister was at work. 944 00:45:52,702 --> 00:45:55,582 My parents left probably around 6:30-ish. 945 00:45:55,661 --> 00:45:58,371 And I think I put a pizza in the oven, 946 00:45:58,452 --> 00:46:00,542 I remember having my slippers on, 947 00:46:00,619 --> 00:46:02,829 and I decided to go play the piano. 948 00:46:10,118 --> 00:46:15,158 I heard a noise, but at 15 years old, 949 00:46:15,243 --> 00:46:16,663 you always hear noises in your house 950 00:46:16,744 --> 00:46:17,994 when your parents aren't home. 951 00:46:18,077 --> 00:46:20,197 So I didn't think much of it. 952 00:46:20,285 --> 00:46:21,695 I stopped. 953 00:46:21,786 --> 00:46:24,826 I do remember stopping and listening and... 954 00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:30,907 uh, didn't hear anything else, so I continued to play. 955 00:46:34,827 --> 00:46:37,537 It wasn't very much longer, maybe a couple minutes, 956 00:46:37,619 --> 00:46:39,369 that I felt... 957 00:46:41,285 --> 00:46:45,115 um, a presence next to me. 958 00:46:45,202 --> 00:46:47,912 And I looked up and, um, 959 00:46:48,869 --> 00:46:50,869 then I felt a knife at my throat. 960 00:46:58,035 --> 00:47:00,615 And then he told me in my ear, you know, 961 00:47:00,702 --> 00:47:02,952 "If you scream or move, 962 00:47:03,035 --> 00:47:05,445 I will put this knife through your throat 963 00:47:05,535 --> 00:47:07,235 and I'll be gone in the dark." 964 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,700 He moved me down the hallway, through the garage, 965 00:47:15,786 --> 00:47:18,366 and into the backyard, um... 966 00:47:21,702 --> 00:47:24,872 where I was left out in the, uh... 967 00:47:25,744 --> 00:47:27,084 on a picnic bench 968 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,200 while he went back into the house. 969 00:47:29,285 --> 00:47:32,405 And he told me he'd be watching me every 10 seconds. 970 00:47:37,202 --> 00:47:40,042 He, uh, came back outside 971 00:47:40,118 --> 00:47:42,738 and that is where he cut my clothes off. 972 00:47:48,077 --> 00:47:51,617 He would bring me inside and he would rape me, 973 00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:53,792 take me back outside, 974 00:47:53,869 --> 00:47:57,409 inside, rape me again, back outside. 975 00:47:57,494 --> 00:47:58,914 And then another time. 976 00:48:01,285 --> 00:48:02,325 Yeah. (CHUCKLES) 977 00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:07,660 So that was my first, um, memory of that. 978 00:48:07,744 --> 00:48:08,834 Um... 979 00:48:08,911 --> 00:48:12,791 (KETTLE WHISTLING) 980 00:48:18,118 --> 00:48:20,948 I think during that time though, I was-- 981 00:48:21,035 --> 00:48:23,695 there wasn't a lot of feeling going on. 982 00:48:23,786 --> 00:48:25,696 I was pretty numb. 983 00:48:25,786 --> 00:48:28,906 And, uh-- but what I do remember 984 00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:34,543 is he had moved the couch very close to our fireplace. 985 00:48:34,619 --> 00:48:38,789 But because I was blindfolded and couldn't see, 986 00:48:38,869 --> 00:48:43,199 I thought he had caught our couch on fire. 987 00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:47,330 And I think that was probably, uh... 988 00:48:48,452 --> 00:48:50,412 that was-- that was really scary. 989 00:48:50,494 --> 00:48:53,744 Because I thought I was gonna die. 990 00:48:53,827 --> 00:48:56,987 Um... and then he was gone. 991 00:48:57,911 --> 00:49:00,491 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 992 00:49:03,744 --> 00:49:05,584 KRIS: I stopped playing the piano 993 00:49:05,661 --> 00:49:07,831 shortly after the attack. 994 00:49:09,494 --> 00:49:12,584 It was difficult for me to play 995 00:49:12,661 --> 00:49:16,541 because I always felt like there was... 996 00:49:17,118 --> 00:49:18,538 somebody behind me. 997 00:49:21,744 --> 00:49:26,544 It was just a few hours, but it changed everything. 998 00:49:28,202 --> 00:49:30,292 REPORTER: It had been a month since he last struck, 999 00:49:30,369 --> 00:49:31,909 but he has struck again. 1000 00:49:31,993 --> 00:49:34,333 This time, it was a 15-year-old girl. 1001 00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:37,290 Again, it was in a northeast Sacramento neighborhood. 1002 00:49:37,369 --> 00:49:39,289 Again, he knew she was alone, 1003 00:49:39,369 --> 00:49:41,989 forced his way in using a knife to threaten her, 1004 00:49:42,077 --> 00:49:44,287 and raped her repeatedly for several hours, 1005 00:49:44,369 --> 00:49:47,039 and forced her to perform perverted sex acts. 1006 00:49:47,118 --> 00:49:49,448 The latest victim was younger than the others 1007 00:49:49,535 --> 00:49:51,445 and the attack took place early in the evening, 1008 00:49:51,535 --> 00:49:54,735 where the others took place between 11:00 at night and dawn. 1009 00:49:54,827 --> 00:49:57,077 But it definitely was the same rapist 1010 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,740 who has eluded authorities for over a year. 1011 00:50:04,661 --> 00:50:06,871 NANCY: When Michelle and I talked about this story, 1012 00:50:06,952 --> 00:50:08,992 it was one of those things that you just kind of 1013 00:50:09,077 --> 00:50:10,947 keep thinking about and keep thinking about. 1014 00:50:11,035 --> 00:50:14,115 Michelle had already done an incredible amount of research. 1015 00:50:14,202 --> 00:50:17,332 And I remember thinking, "Okay. We've got a few hurdles. 1016 00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:20,700 Um, I have to pitch this to my editor-in-chief." 1017 00:50:20,786 --> 00:50:23,156 Everyone loves a story about a killer. (CHUCKLES) 1018 00:50:23,243 --> 00:50:24,623 But in order to get her interested, 1019 00:50:24,702 --> 00:50:28,332 I had to convince her that this story was relevant now 1020 00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:29,330 and that it was, like, 1021 00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:32,160 a Los Angeles and a California story. 1022 00:50:32,243 --> 00:50:34,703 Michelle was an incredible intrepid reporter. 1023 00:50:34,786 --> 00:50:37,156 As we were sort of trying to put the pitch together, 1024 00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:39,913 she would go on her own and just research things. 1025 00:50:39,993 --> 00:50:41,373 You could be completely confident 1026 00:50:41,452 --> 00:50:43,412 that she was going to come back with something, 1027 00:50:43,494 --> 00:50:44,414 something good. 1028 00:50:44,494 --> 00:50:45,744 And not just get the facts right, 1029 00:50:45,827 --> 00:50:48,287 but also be able to have that relationship 1030 00:50:48,369 --> 00:50:50,369 with that person that she would need. 1031 00:50:50,452 --> 00:50:52,292 That no one else could get to. 1032 00:50:56,702 --> 00:50:59,952 MICHELLE: I pitched LA Magazine the EAR story. 1033 00:51:00,035 --> 00:51:02,195 And they're interested in doing it, possibly, 1034 00:51:02,285 --> 00:51:04,035 which would be amazing. I mean, that would be like 1035 00:51:04,118 --> 00:51:06,578 the kind of publicity that just-- you can't buy. 1036 00:51:06,661 --> 00:51:08,791 You know? I mean, I just think this story 1037 00:51:08,869 --> 00:51:10,579 -is so important to be told. -MELANIE: It is. 1038 00:51:10,661 --> 00:51:12,451 MICHELLE: I mean, it's-- it gets me that this person-- 1039 00:51:12,535 --> 00:51:15,035 -I just feel like he's smirking somewhere, going like... -MELANIE: Yeah. 1040 00:51:15,118 --> 00:51:17,488 -MICHELLE: ..."I don't have to pay for this ever." -Fuck him. 1041 00:51:17,577 --> 00:51:22,447 If there's any way I could look at whatever you have, 1042 00:51:22,535 --> 00:51:25,575 and I won't copy anything, I just look at it and take notes 1043 00:51:25,661 --> 00:51:27,241 and then give it back to you tomorrow? 1044 00:51:27,327 --> 00:51:30,447 At least then I can say I saw case files. 1045 00:51:30,535 --> 00:51:32,235 MELANIE: Can I... 1046 00:51:32,327 --> 00:51:35,117 let you, while you're here, look at some stuff? 1047 00:51:36,494 --> 00:51:37,744 MICHELLE: Um... 1048 00:51:37,827 --> 00:51:40,697 MELANIE: Because I've sworn confidentiality, 1049 00:51:40,786 --> 00:51:42,656 that I would never, uh, 1050 00:51:43,661 --> 00:51:45,081 release it out of my possession. 1051 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,700 MICHELLE: Right. Yeah. I mean, 1052 00:51:46,786 --> 00:51:48,486 so what you're thinking is that I could sit there... 1053 00:51:48,577 --> 00:51:50,407 -MELANIE: You could sit there and go through them. -Okay. 1054 00:51:50,494 --> 00:51:52,374 -MELANIE: I just can't let them leave my home. 1055 00:51:52,452 --> 00:51:55,742 MICHELLE: Right. How many pages are there all together, like? 1056 00:51:55,827 --> 00:51:57,487 MELANIE: Probably four or five thousand. 1057 00:51:57,577 --> 00:51:59,077 -MICHELLE: Oh, my God. -MELANIE: Yeah, it's big. 1058 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,990 -MICHELLE: Yeah. -MELANIE: It's all the rapes. 1059 00:52:01,077 --> 00:52:03,367 -MICHELLE: Right. -It's every-- all 50 rapes. 1060 00:52:03,452 --> 00:52:04,542 MICHELLE: Wow. 1061 00:52:11,285 --> 00:52:12,535 MICHELLE: Wow. 1062 00:52:16,577 --> 00:52:18,697 MELANIE: 1063 00:52:18,786 --> 00:52:20,366 MICHELLE: These underground trades, 1064 00:52:20,452 --> 00:52:21,872 the result of furtive alliances 1065 00:52:21,952 --> 00:52:25,452 forged from a shared obsession with a faceless serial killer, 1066 00:52:25,535 --> 00:52:26,985 were common. 1067 00:52:27,077 --> 00:52:29,617 Online sleuths, retired detectives, 1068 00:52:29,702 --> 00:52:32,952 and active detectives, everyone participated. 1069 00:52:33,035 --> 00:52:34,235 (CAR BEEPS) 1070 00:52:36,911 --> 00:52:39,161 (CELL PHONE PINGS) 1071 00:52:45,577 --> 00:52:50,237 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PAYING) ♪ 1072 00:52:50,327 --> 00:52:52,157 MICHELLE: The grandiose seeker in me 1073 00:52:52,243 --> 00:52:55,163 couldn't wait to insert the flash drive into my laptop 1074 00:52:55,243 --> 00:52:56,413 back at my hotel. 1075 00:52:58,202 --> 00:52:59,332 At every stoplight, 1076 00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:01,870 I touched the top pocket in my backpack 1077 00:53:01,952 --> 00:53:05,082 to make sure the tiny rectangle was still there. 1078 00:53:09,494 --> 00:53:12,294 Once in my room, I immediately changed 1079 00:53:12,369 --> 00:53:14,869 into the crisp white hotel bathrobe. 1080 00:53:14,952 --> 00:53:17,792 I lowered the shades and turned off my phone. 1081 00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:22,370 I dumped a bag of minibar gummy bears into a glass 1082 00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:23,952 and set it next to me on the bed, 1083 00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:27,325 where I sat cross-legged in front of my laptop. 1084 00:53:29,827 --> 00:53:32,947 Ahead of me was a rare 24-hour stretch 1085 00:53:33,035 --> 00:53:36,405 without interference or distraction. 1086 00:53:36,494 --> 00:53:40,664 No tiny hands slicked with paint asking to be washed. 1087 00:53:40,744 --> 00:53:44,954 No preoccupied hungry husband to inquire about dinner. 1088 00:53:46,202 --> 00:53:51,202 I inserted the flash drive, my mind in mail sorter mode, 1089 00:53:51,285 --> 00:53:54,535 my index finger on the down arrow key. 1090 00:53:54,619 --> 00:53:58,239 I began to not so much read as devour. 1091 00:54:02,535 --> 00:54:05,285 Drainage ditches and cement-lined canals 1092 00:54:05,369 --> 00:54:07,989 come up frequently in the police reports. 1093 00:54:10,285 --> 00:54:11,865 It's clear from the start, 1094 00:54:11,952 --> 00:54:15,202 from footprints, evidence, suspicious sightings, 1095 00:54:15,285 --> 00:54:18,235 and even bringing one victim down there, 1096 00:54:18,327 --> 00:54:21,367 that the East Area Rapist traveled this way, 1097 00:54:21,452 --> 00:54:24,622 like a subterranean creature. 1098 00:54:24,702 --> 00:54:29,202 He was doing reconnaissance. He was studying people. 1099 00:54:29,993 --> 00:54:31,953 Learning when they were home. 1100 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,040 That means that women exist 1101 00:54:35,118 --> 00:54:38,238 who, because of change of schedule or luck, 1102 00:54:38,327 --> 00:54:40,487 were never victims. 1103 00:54:40,577 --> 00:54:43,407 But they felt something terrifying 1104 00:54:43,494 --> 00:54:44,874 brush against them. 1105 00:54:49,993 --> 00:54:53,703 Hours vanished. The gummy bears were gone. 1106 00:54:55,202 --> 00:54:58,042 I was jittery from sugar, hunger, 1107 00:54:58,118 --> 00:55:00,448 and spending too much time alone in the dark 1108 00:55:00,535 --> 00:55:03,535 absorbing a 50-chapter horror story. 1109 00:55:09,369 --> 00:55:12,119 Part of the thrill of the game for him, I believe, 1110 00:55:12,202 --> 00:55:14,122 was a kind of connect-the-dots puzzle 1111 00:55:14,202 --> 00:55:16,582 he played with people. 1112 00:55:16,661 --> 00:55:19,241 You may not think you have something in common 1113 00:55:19,327 --> 00:55:20,867 with your neighbor, 1114 00:55:21,535 --> 00:55:22,695 but you do. 1115 00:55:24,035 --> 00:55:25,035 Me. 1116 00:55:28,035 --> 00:55:30,735 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 83913

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