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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,868 --> 00:00:04,238 [music playing] 2 00:00:28,196 --> 00:00:31,099 >> We have a very skewed sense of our relationship with 3 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:34,202 microorganisms in general and bacteria specifically. 4 00:00:37,505 --> 00:00:40,641 >> They collectively outweigh human beings by 100 million 5 00:00:40,741 --> 00:00:41,442 times. 6 00:00:44,078 --> 00:00:47,815 They can replicate 500,000 times faster than we can. 7 00:00:51,085 --> 00:00:52,953 And they've been doing this for 1,000 times 8 00:00:53,053 --> 00:00:54,655 longer than our species has existed. 9 00:00:59,193 --> 00:01:04,698 >> We've just touched the corner of understanding the diversity 10 00:01:04,798 --> 00:01:07,668 of the microbes that are out there. 11 00:01:07,768 --> 00:01:09,103 We've barely scratched the surface. 12 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:16,944 And we need to understand this because, again, they 13 00:01:17,044 --> 00:01:19,613 make plants functional. 14 00:01:22,383 --> 00:01:25,819 They affect the movement of methane, and hydrogen, 15 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:30,124 and nitrogen, and phosphorus. 16 00:01:30,224 --> 00:01:36,630 They affect the carbon fixation and the plankton in the oceans. 17 00:01:36,729 --> 00:01:38,765 Viewing them as important players 18 00:01:38,866 --> 00:01:41,235 in our ecosystem in the same way people 19 00:01:41,335 --> 00:01:45,173 have viewed forests and grasslands would probably 20 00:01:45,273 --> 00:01:47,007 make us treat the world in a better way. 21 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:08,329 [chatter] 22 00:02:20,841 --> 00:02:22,009 >> My name is Robert Beam. 23 00:02:22,109 --> 00:02:23,677 I'm Jesse's father. 24 00:02:23,777 --> 00:02:27,114 [chatter] 25 00:02:27,215 --> 00:02:27,948 >> I'm Christy Beam. 26 00:02:28,048 --> 00:02:29,049 I'm Jesse's stepmom. 27 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:32,386 [chatter] 28 00:02:34,388 --> 00:02:36,656 >> And then just step out for a second. 29 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:38,091 And we'll pull this up. 30 00:02:38,192 --> 00:02:40,127 >> We were actually at cross country camp. 31 00:02:40,228 --> 00:02:41,329 >> See how tall you are. 32 00:02:41,429 --> 00:02:42,896 >> And I think it was the second day, 33 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:44,164 he started developing a fever. 34 00:02:44,265 --> 00:02:46,166 The following day we came back here to Kentucky. 35 00:02:46,267 --> 00:02:47,201 >> Now you can step away. 36 00:02:47,301 --> 00:02:49,168 >> And he was really-- 37 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:50,271 getting dramatic with him. 38 00:02:50,371 --> 00:02:52,473 Jesse Beam does not do sick very well. 39 00:02:52,573 --> 00:02:53,707 So he was kind of-- 40 00:02:53,807 --> 00:02:55,075 I thought he was playing it. 41 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:56,810 And he was kind of moping around the house 42 00:02:56,910 --> 00:03:00,113 and crawling at one point out of his bedroom. 43 00:03:00,214 --> 00:03:01,349 And I told him to get up. 44 00:03:01,449 --> 00:03:02,182 And he did. 45 00:03:02,283 --> 00:03:05,052 So you think he's playing it. 46 00:03:05,152 --> 00:03:06,420 Next day while I'm at the office, 47 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,889 he calls me wanting to go to the hospital. 48 00:03:08,989 --> 00:03:10,023 So I call his pediatrician. 49 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:12,460 And she said, get him in here right now. 50 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,394 Finally got us a room. 51 00:03:13,494 --> 00:03:14,795 Got an X-ray. 52 00:03:14,895 --> 00:03:18,366 They found pneumonia in his right lung. 53 00:03:18,466 --> 00:03:20,167 Figured that was what we were dealing with. 54 00:03:20,268 --> 00:03:22,436 So I called Christy and told her we're in the hospital. 55 00:03:22,536 --> 00:03:23,637 He's got pneumonia. 56 00:03:23,737 --> 00:03:24,838 She's trying to calm me down. 57 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:26,106 Told me not to worry about it. 58 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:27,475 You know, kids get pneumonia. 59 00:03:27,575 --> 00:03:28,742 They'll be fine. 60 00:03:28,841 --> 00:03:31,412 He'll probably stay in the hospital for a day or two. 61 00:03:31,512 --> 00:03:33,747 All night long he just kept getting worse and worse. 62 00:03:33,847 --> 00:03:35,983 His temperature would get pretty high. 63 00:03:36,083 --> 00:03:38,252 Or, at least his body temperature was high. 64 00:03:38,352 --> 00:03:40,988 But his oral temperature was never really spiking real high. 65 00:03:43,591 --> 00:03:46,927 He started hallucinating around 4:00, 5:00 in the morning. 66 00:03:47,027 --> 00:03:47,961 And that's when I-- 67 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:49,329 I went to help him go to the bathroom. 68 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:52,266 And when we stood him up, his front was really clammy. 69 00:03:52,366 --> 00:03:54,234 And his back would almost burn your hands. 70 00:03:54,335 --> 00:03:56,304 And I told the nurse that. 71 00:03:56,404 --> 00:03:57,371 So she came in. 72 00:03:57,471 --> 00:03:59,373 And they had to do a rectal temperature. 73 00:03:59,473 --> 00:04:03,811 And his internal temperature at that point was 105.9. 74 00:04:03,911 --> 00:04:05,479 She called in the critical care team. 75 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:08,215 His pediatrician showed up, who made the call that he needed 76 00:04:08,316 --> 00:04:11,084 to be at a pediatric hospital. 77 00:04:11,184 --> 00:04:13,321 Again, I'm still thinking pneumonia. 78 00:04:13,421 --> 00:04:15,188 So I told Jesse I was going run to the house, 79 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:17,425 get him some clean clothes, get him his games. 80 00:04:17,524 --> 00:04:19,927 And I'd be down there to Vanderbilt. 81 00:04:20,027 --> 00:04:22,029 In about-- I don't know how much longer it was. 82 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:24,598 But I was about Goodlettsville when they called me and told me 83 00:04:24,698 --> 00:04:25,466 that they were there. 84 00:04:25,566 --> 00:04:26,967 They'd made it. 85 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:28,436 Jesse made the flight well. 86 00:04:28,536 --> 00:04:30,170 But his body was doing a lot of work. 87 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:45,118 [music playing] 88 00:04:46,354 --> 00:04:48,055 That's when they told me they put him in a coma. 89 00:04:48,155 --> 00:04:51,525 [music playing] 90 00:04:53,126 --> 00:04:56,497 [beeping] 91 00:04:56,597 --> 00:05:00,000 [music playing] 92 00:05:03,971 --> 00:05:05,005 We started with daptomycin. 93 00:05:05,105 --> 00:05:06,374 And then we went to clindamycin. 94 00:05:06,474 --> 00:05:10,043 We went to vancomycin, which he finished off vanc upstairs. 95 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:13,981 >> Yeah, and he was on all three at one time. 96 00:05:14,081 --> 00:05:16,884 And that's whenever they told us that, look, 97 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:18,218 he's on all three medicines. 98 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:21,054 We've done everything we can do. 99 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:22,189 You know-- 100 00:05:22,289 --> 00:05:23,691 >> If the bacteria doesn't stop growing now, 101 00:05:23,791 --> 00:05:25,459 then there's nothing else. 102 00:05:25,559 --> 00:05:26,860 >> There's nothing else we can do. 103 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,562 We've got nothing else to pull from. 104 00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:32,032 [beeping] 105 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:35,503 [music playing] 106 00:05:46,013 --> 00:05:50,484 >> Antibiotics are basically poisons that kill bacteria 107 00:05:50,584 --> 00:05:51,619 and don't kill us. 108 00:05:51,719 --> 00:05:57,558 [music playing] 109 00:05:57,658 --> 00:06:00,260 They often have some effects on the human body as well. 110 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,530 But for infections, it's going to do one of two things 111 00:06:02,630 --> 00:06:03,664 to a bacteria. 112 00:06:03,764 --> 00:06:05,298 It either kills it or it makes it stronger. 113 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:08,702 [music playing] 114 00:06:11,739 --> 00:06:13,741 >> But what we do with antibiotics-- 115 00:06:13,841 --> 00:06:18,278 because we give the wrong doses of antibiotics to people, 116 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:21,014 or we give the right doses, but people end up dosing themselves 117 00:06:21,114 --> 00:06:23,951 incorrectly because they don't take a full prescription, 118 00:06:24,051 --> 00:06:27,588 or because we give antibiotics to healthy farm animals, 119 00:06:27,688 --> 00:06:29,557 what we do in all those situations 120 00:06:29,657 --> 00:06:32,593 is we set up a sort of Darwinian battleground 121 00:06:32,693 --> 00:06:36,196 within the body of the human or the animal who's 122 00:06:36,296 --> 00:06:39,967 getting the antibiotics, in which the weak susceptible 123 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:42,369 bacteria are knocked out by the drug. 124 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:43,771 But the strong survive. 125 00:06:43,871 --> 00:06:46,674 >> And it unfortunately occurs more rapidly than you might 126 00:06:46,774 --> 00:06:47,475 think. 127 00:06:47,575 --> 00:06:48,808 [music playing] 128 00:06:48,909 --> 00:06:52,212 Because they go so quickly as a community of organisms, 129 00:06:52,312 --> 00:06:54,515 if there's a way to become resistant, they can find it. 130 00:06:54,615 --> 00:06:57,918 [music playing] 131 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,725 >> About three quarters of the way through my fellowship, 132 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:07,528 we began to see just an explosion of highly resistant 133 00:07:07,628 --> 00:07:08,662 infections. 134 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:11,198 And that was concordant with it happening all 135 00:07:11,298 --> 00:07:12,700 over the country and the world. 136 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,102 There's nothing unique about our setting. 137 00:07:15,202 --> 00:07:16,904 And I remember the first patient that I 138 00:07:17,004 --> 00:07:20,040 took care of who had an untreatable infection. 139 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:21,408 Could not be treated. 140 00:07:21,509 --> 00:07:26,814 And it was a woman in her 20s, who had two small kids, who 141 00:07:26,914 --> 00:07:27,748 had leukemia. 142 00:07:33,687 --> 00:07:36,757 [clears throat] 143 00:07:37,658 --> 00:07:40,060 Sorry. 144 00:07:40,159 --> 00:07:43,531 [coughs] 145 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:49,503 [clears throat] 146 00:07:53,106 --> 00:07:55,008 And she developed an infection in her blood 147 00:07:55,108 --> 00:07:56,276 by an acinetobacter. 148 00:07:58,946 --> 00:08:00,548 So we started treating it with the drug 149 00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:02,249 that we had left at the time, which 150 00:08:02,349 --> 00:08:05,052 was a drug called imipenem. 151 00:08:05,152 --> 00:08:06,486 That was the big gun. 152 00:08:06,587 --> 00:08:08,488 That was the last ditch. 153 00:08:08,589 --> 00:08:12,826 And she looked like she was getting better at first. 154 00:08:12,926 --> 00:08:15,362 But then the infection came back. 155 00:08:15,462 --> 00:08:18,165 And it was resistant to the imipenem. 156 00:08:18,265 --> 00:08:22,302 It developed resistance in the middle of a course of therapy. 157 00:08:22,402 --> 00:08:28,041 And when it came back, I have this just vivid recollection 158 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:29,877 of looking at the computer screen. 159 00:08:29,977 --> 00:08:31,979 [music playing] 160 00:08:32,078 --> 00:08:34,748 And you just see a printout on the computer screen 161 00:08:34,847 --> 00:08:38,686 of all the antibiotics that the bacteria is resistant to-- 162 00:08:38,786 --> 00:08:41,588 resistant, resistant, resistant, resistant, resistant. 163 00:08:41,688 --> 00:08:42,556 There was nothing. 164 00:08:42,655 --> 00:08:44,825 It was resistant to everything. 165 00:08:44,925 --> 00:08:49,630 And I couldn't fathom how in the 21st century 166 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:53,165 an infectious disease specialist would run out of stuff. 167 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:54,534 I mean this is-- 168 00:08:54,635 --> 00:08:57,671 since penicillin, we've expected that we're 169 00:08:57,771 --> 00:09:01,809 going to have relatively inexpensive, safe, tremendously 170 00:09:01,909 --> 00:09:05,212 effective drugs to treat infections. 171 00:09:05,312 --> 00:09:08,816 And this woman had returned to 1935. 172 00:09:08,916 --> 00:09:11,919 She had returned to the pre-antibiotic era. 173 00:09:12,019 --> 00:09:13,020 And she died. 174 00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:15,956 There was nothing to do. 175 00:09:23,831 --> 00:09:28,168 >> Antibiotics were the only thing we ever had in all 176 00:09:28,268 --> 00:09:33,540 of human history that really stopped infectious diseases. 177 00:09:33,641 --> 00:09:39,212 And we took that just miraculous, precious substance, 178 00:09:39,312 --> 00:09:41,014 and we completely squandered it. 179 00:09:41,114 --> 00:09:45,886 And it astonishes me sometimes that we don't ask ourselves, 180 00:09:45,986 --> 00:09:48,421 how is it that we squandered this? 181 00:09:48,521 --> 00:09:50,023 And why can't we stop? 182 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:03,003 [waves crashing] 183 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:07,507 [cheering] 184 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:10,978 [waves crashing] 185 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:21,488 >> I came home from work one afternoon. 186 00:10:21,588 --> 00:10:23,791 I'd been working under a boat all day painting. 187 00:10:23,891 --> 00:10:26,059 And I was extra stiff. 188 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:27,260 My back hurt. 189 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,629 So I thought, well, maybe I'll get in the bathtub. 190 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:31,064 We have a Jacuzzi tub. 191 00:10:31,164 --> 00:10:34,902 So I filled it up with hot water and got in it. 192 00:10:35,002 --> 00:10:41,675 And that's pretty much the last thing I remember. 193 00:10:41,775 --> 00:10:42,509 >> But I remember. 194 00:10:42,609 --> 00:10:43,977 >> Glad she remembers. 195 00:10:44,077 --> 00:10:48,148 >> We also thought that we might be sore because we were 196 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:51,752 training really hard for the Molokai to Oahu Outrigger Canoe 197 00:10:51,852 --> 00:10:55,522 Race, which is pretty intense workouts. 198 00:10:55,622 --> 00:10:56,857 And my back hurt. 199 00:11:01,194 --> 00:11:03,697 So I called to make an appointment for him 200 00:11:03,797 --> 00:11:05,799 to see his regular doctor. 201 00:11:05,899 --> 00:11:09,669 And from there, he went for CAT scans and tests. 202 00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:13,206 And the CAT scan showed that he had lesions on his spine. 203 00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:20,013 They had discovered it was Methicillin-resistant staph. 204 00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:21,715 So he was on vancomycin. 205 00:11:21,815 --> 00:11:23,784 And it was an emergency situation 206 00:11:23,884 --> 00:11:25,518 to open him up and clean those out. 207 00:11:27,788 --> 00:11:31,158 >> Apparently, I'd picked up this staff either from 208 00:11:31,258 --> 00:11:34,895 the water in the marina or surfing next door at Doheny, 209 00:11:34,995 --> 00:11:36,596 which is right adjacent to the marina. 210 00:11:40,667 --> 00:11:42,635 Between the sepsis and the surgery, 211 00:11:42,736 --> 00:11:43,904 I've lost use of my legs. 212 00:11:44,004 --> 00:11:45,372 >> Let's tie your shoelaces. 213 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:49,743 [groan] 214 00:11:51,311 --> 00:11:53,646 OK. 215 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:56,449 >> You know, I haven't really taken the time to grieve about 216 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:58,986 it too much because just too much to grieve. 217 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:16,303 Do this without my pants falling off. 218 00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:24,177 I've always been able to bait my own hook. 219 00:12:24,277 --> 00:12:27,747 And I can't do that anymore. 220 00:12:30,683 --> 00:12:31,384 It's hard. 221 00:12:31,484 --> 00:12:32,252 It's really hard. 222 00:12:32,352 --> 00:12:35,122 >> 223 00:12:35,222 --> 00:12:38,959 This is a man who was surfing one day 224 00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:43,196 and had his spine opened the next day from a resistant 225 00:12:43,296 --> 00:12:44,497 infection. 226 00:12:44,597 --> 00:12:47,400 And I think the thing that's come home to me 227 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:52,639 is it can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere. 228 00:12:52,739 --> 00:12:53,640 Nobody is safe. 229 00:13:00,313 --> 00:13:01,448 Don't get me wrong. 230 00:13:01,548 --> 00:13:04,351 Antibiotics saved my life. 231 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:05,953 I'm really grateful for them. 232 00:13:06,053 --> 00:13:10,290 But I do feel that the likelihood of me getting this 233 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:14,427 was probably because of our sort of rampant use of antibiotics 234 00:13:14,527 --> 00:13:15,228 in the first place. 235 00:13:21,268 --> 00:13:22,169 [cheering] 236 00:13:22,269 --> 00:13:25,605 [chatter] 237 00:13:30,677 --> 00:13:34,347 >> It's clear that people don't quite understand the extent 238 00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:39,019 of usage of antibiotics in our everyday life. 239 00:13:39,119 --> 00:13:41,889 We know that they're used on farm animals. 240 00:13:41,989 --> 00:13:45,959 Do we know that they're put into household products, sanitation 241 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:47,294 products? 242 00:13:47,394 --> 00:13:50,097 Do we know that some 300,000 pounds are 243 00:13:50,197 --> 00:13:51,999 sprayed on fruit trees-- 244 00:13:52,099 --> 00:13:54,534 >> --on kitchen counters, in our wall materials, 245 00:13:54,634 --> 00:13:57,537 school cafeteria trays, on everything-- 246 00:13:57,637 --> 00:14:01,808 >> --to supposedly improve their antibacterial activity? 247 00:14:01,909 --> 00:14:02,642 But for what? 248 00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:11,651 >> Virtually all the antibiotics that I've ever been used have 249 00:14:11,751 --> 00:14:16,189 come from organisms that are in the world around us from soil 250 00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:20,560 fungi, or from something growing on bread, 251 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:23,663 or other organisms that are out there. 252 00:14:23,763 --> 00:14:27,134 And they've been in a struggle for existence 253 00:14:27,234 --> 00:14:28,835 for billions of years. 254 00:14:28,936 --> 00:14:32,739 And we have just come in at this last minute basically and said, 255 00:14:32,839 --> 00:14:34,241 we're going to take those chemicals 256 00:14:34,341 --> 00:14:37,244 and spray them into the world around us 257 00:14:37,344 --> 00:14:39,379 in these massive doses. 258 00:14:39,479 --> 00:14:42,882 And what happens is is that most of the microbes 259 00:14:42,983 --> 00:14:46,219 will in fact be killed by some of those chemicals. 260 00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:49,089 And the ones that survive now will 261 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:52,259 be resistant to the chemical that you're threw at it. 262 00:14:52,359 --> 00:14:54,694 So you throw another chemical at those microbes. 263 00:14:55,728 --> 00:14:57,430 And most of them are killed again. 264 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:58,932 And some survive. 265 00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:01,501 And they will now be resistant to both of the chemicals 266 00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:03,103 that you've thrown at them. 267 00:15:03,203 --> 00:15:05,638 And if we keep going down this path, 268 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,074 the microbes in the world around us 269 00:15:07,174 --> 00:15:09,342 will be resistant to most of the chemicals 270 00:15:09,442 --> 00:15:11,144 that we can throw at them. 271 00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:16,349 And now if one of those microbes also happens to cause disease, 272 00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:18,351 then we have nothing left in our arsenal 273 00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:22,956 to throw at it because we've wasted all of these tools 274 00:15:23,056 --> 00:15:23,756 at everything. 275 00:15:23,856 --> 00:15:26,994 [music playing] 276 00:15:45,812 --> 00:15:49,282 >> People talk about antibiotic resistance taking us back 277 00:15:49,382 --> 00:15:51,484 to a pre-antibiotic era. 278 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:53,853 And what I think they are envisioning 279 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,323 when they say that is the way things 280 00:15:56,423 --> 00:15:59,392 were in the 19th century, the 18th century, or earliest 281 00:15:59,492 --> 00:16:02,329 when people died of infections because they 282 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:04,697 tripped and fell in front of the plow 283 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:06,099 that their oxen were dragging. 284 00:16:06,199 --> 00:16:09,669 Or, they fell into the works of the factories of the Industrial 285 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:10,703 Revolution. 286 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,672 And people say to themselves, well, we 287 00:16:12,772 --> 00:16:14,374 don't have that anymore. 288 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:16,243 We don't farm with oxen and plows. 289 00:16:16,343 --> 00:16:18,811 We don't have huge filthy factories like that. 290 00:16:18,911 --> 00:16:20,047 So we're not really at risk. 291 00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:26,753 But what they don't think about is 292 00:16:26,853 --> 00:16:30,123 that most of the structure of modern medicine 293 00:16:30,223 --> 00:16:33,026 relies on the deployment of antibiotics. 294 00:16:33,126 --> 00:16:37,030 If we didn't have antibiotics anymore, if we went to a pre 295 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:41,201 or post antibiotic era, there would be no transplants. 296 00:16:41,301 --> 00:16:44,371 Heart infections might kill 50% of people again. 297 00:16:44,471 --> 00:16:46,673 Childbirth might be much more dangerous. 298 00:16:46,773 --> 00:16:49,109 To take antibiotics out of the medical system 299 00:16:49,209 --> 00:16:51,511 is to shut down a good part of the medical system. 300 00:16:58,851 --> 00:17:01,788 >> Penicillin was our first real antibiotic. 301 00:17:01,888 --> 00:17:05,758 That is a substance made by another biologic creature, 302 00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:08,027 which is able to inhibit the growth 303 00:17:08,127 --> 00:17:10,363 or kill another biologic creature. 304 00:17:11,830 --> 00:17:15,768 >> 1928-- Alexander Fleming leaves a window open in his 305 00:17:15,867 --> 00:17:16,736 laboratory. 306 00:17:16,836 --> 00:17:18,671 And something blows into the window 307 00:17:18,771 --> 00:17:20,507 and contaminates his culture plates. 308 00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:22,541 And when he looks at them two weeks later, 309 00:17:22,642 --> 00:17:26,445 he can see that there's little dead zones in the staph 310 00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:29,149 and the mold at the center of the dead zones. 311 00:17:29,249 --> 00:17:34,221 Turns out to be the source of the penicillin. 312 00:17:34,321 --> 00:17:38,825 >> While he surmised that this was an important finding, 313 00:17:38,925 --> 00:17:41,228 he could not see it as a therapeutic. 314 00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:48,335 >> Then two other British scientists, Dr. Florey and Dr. 315 00:17:48,435 --> 00:17:51,471 Chain, began developing its usefulness for fighting 316 00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:53,740 infection inside the human body. 317 00:17:59,879 --> 00:18:01,714 >> So during the First World War, 318 00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,851 many more people died of infectious disease than died 319 00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:08,188 of actual battle wound injury. 320 00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:10,257 During the Second World War, antibiotics 321 00:18:10,357 --> 00:18:11,791 had just been introduced. 322 00:18:11,891 --> 00:18:15,195 But then scaling up production to a mass scale, which 323 00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:18,265 would allow many soldiers to be saved by these drugs, 324 00:18:18,365 --> 00:18:20,300 required someone to figure out how to make these. 325 00:18:22,969 --> 00:18:25,438 >> Dr. Florey and an assistant, Dr. Heatley, 326 00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:28,775 came to the United States to start a search for new sources 327 00:18:28,875 --> 00:18:31,644 of penicillin. 328 00:18:31,744 --> 00:18:33,646 Agents from the Department of Agriculture 329 00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:36,183 were instructed to send moldy foodstuffs 330 00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:37,750 from every part of the country. 331 00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:43,556 One day it led to a moldy cantaloupe. 332 00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:47,694 The mold from this melon gave 200 times more penicillin 333 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:49,629 than any that had been tested before. 334 00:18:51,231 --> 00:18:52,799 This was the turning point. 335 00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,601 [music playing] 336 00:18:54,701 --> 00:18:56,736 [MUSIC - BO CARTER, "BANANA IN YOUR FRUIT BASKET"] 337 00:18:56,836 --> 00:18:59,506 >> Penicillin was tried in different environments, 338 00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:01,574 in different places during the war. 339 00:19:01,674 --> 00:19:04,611 And a need from the military was to have 340 00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:07,947 some of this wonder drug for venereal disease, which 341 00:19:08,047 --> 00:19:10,350 was rampant among the military groups. 342 00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:15,655 >> We average 30 venereal disease cases each year out 343 00:19:15,755 --> 00:19:17,957 of every 1,000 men in uniform. 344 00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:20,560 That means 300,000 men put out of action each year 345 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:22,229 in a 10 million man army. 346 00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:23,896 And every one of those men is a casualty 347 00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:25,465 as far as combat is concerned. 348 00:19:25,565 --> 00:19:26,266 [laughing] 349 00:19:26,366 --> 00:19:27,334 Figure that. 350 00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:29,902 300,000 casualties without even a battle. 351 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:31,971 Well, I'm sorry to have to run out on you Colonel. 352 00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:33,306 But I'm swamped with work. 353 00:19:33,406 --> 00:19:33,973 >> Let me put my-- 354 00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:34,674 >> Thank you, Major. 355 00:19:34,774 --> 00:19:35,208 >> --banana in your-- 356 00:19:35,308 --> 00:19:35,742 >> Goodbye. 357 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:36,309 >> Goodbye. 358 00:19:36,409 --> 00:19:37,009 --fruit basket. 359 00:19:37,109 --> 00:19:39,011 Then I'll be satisfied. 360 00:19:39,111 --> 00:19:42,749 >> The question was at a time when you have a miracle drug 361 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:46,486 that's saving lives in hospitals in London, 362 00:19:46,586 --> 00:19:52,559 can we really allow it to be used for the results of playing 363 00:19:52,659 --> 00:19:55,595 around in the military? 364 00:19:55,695 --> 00:19:58,765 And the story goes that Winston Churchill 365 00:19:58,865 --> 00:20:01,200 was involved in that decision. 366 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:02,769 And while it wasn't direct, there 367 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:06,406 was a little notation on the side of the request. 368 00:20:06,506 --> 00:20:11,478 And that was Churchill's sign that, yes, yes, 369 00:20:11,578 --> 00:20:13,246 save our military. 370 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,982 But let's not make a big announcement about it. 371 00:20:16,082 --> 00:20:18,985 >> Let me put my banana in your fruit basket. 372 00:20:19,085 --> 00:20:20,720 Then I'll be satisfied. 373 00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:32,532 >> So penicillin arrives. 374 00:20:32,632 --> 00:20:34,334 And it's a miracle drug. 375 00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:36,769 People who would have died of things like blood poisoning 376 00:20:36,869 --> 00:20:38,671 are now cured in 48 hours. 377 00:20:38,771 --> 00:20:42,575 The problem is we almost immediately overuse it. 378 00:20:46,613 --> 00:20:48,515 >> When I first got interested in resistance, 379 00:20:48,615 --> 00:20:52,619 it was because of penicillin resistance in gonorrhea. 380 00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:55,355 And turns out that the origins of penicillin 381 00:20:55,455 --> 00:21:00,560 resistant in gonorrhea were from brothels in Vietnam 382 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:04,230 where the US Army had given out penicillin 383 00:21:04,331 --> 00:21:06,633 to all the sex workers. 384 00:21:06,733 --> 00:21:09,469 >> Not to treat, but to prevent venereal disease 385 00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:11,037 in the soldiers. 386 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:14,040 >> This indiscriminate use of the antibiotic drug has 387 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:16,676 contributed to the appearance of a strain of gonorrhea 388 00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:19,278 completely resistant to penicillin. 389 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:21,448 The new strain was first detected in this country 390 00:21:21,548 --> 00:21:24,517 last year in infected military personnel returning 391 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:25,752 from the Orient. 392 00:21:25,852 --> 00:21:32,792 >> So it was in fact someone's decision to protect 393 00:21:32,892 --> 00:21:37,830 the military from getting the disease that led to a strain 394 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:42,802 and eventually a whole number of strains of the bacterium, 395 00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:48,307 which were no longer controlled, killed by penicillin. 396 00:21:48,408 --> 00:21:50,677 >> And as a result now, penicillin doesn't work 397 00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,144 for gonorrhea for the most part. 398 00:22:09,629 --> 00:22:12,999 >> Alexander Fleming, the man who discovered penicillin, 399 00:22:13,099 --> 00:22:15,468 warned the medical community in the New York Times interview 400 00:22:15,568 --> 00:22:19,906 in 1945 that physicians were wasting penicillin. 401 00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:22,709 We need to understand why is it that physicians over 402 00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:24,877 prescribe antibiotics. 403 00:22:24,977 --> 00:22:26,546 Because if you're going to fix that, 404 00:22:26,646 --> 00:22:29,115 you need to understand the root cause. 405 00:22:29,215 --> 00:22:33,352 The reason docs overprescribe antibiotics is fear. 406 00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:35,187 It's not so much fear of being sued. 407 00:22:35,287 --> 00:22:37,056 It's fear of being wrong. 408 00:22:37,156 --> 00:22:39,058 It's fear of I have a patient in front of me. 409 00:22:39,158 --> 00:22:42,228 There's a 95% chance that this patient has a virus. 410 00:22:42,328 --> 00:22:44,196 There's still a 5% chance that it's a bacteria. 411 00:22:44,296 --> 00:22:45,865 And they have exactly the same symptoms. 412 00:22:45,965 --> 00:22:49,335 I can't distinguish with any certainty beyond that. 413 00:22:49,436 --> 00:22:52,038 Well, it's just this-- one prescription 414 00:22:52,138 --> 00:22:53,172 isn't going to ruin things. 415 00:22:53,272 --> 00:22:54,907 And what if I'm wrong about this patient? 416 00:22:55,007 --> 00:22:58,711 It could really hurt her or him if it's not a virus. 417 00:22:58,811 --> 00:22:59,879 And I don't give an antibi-- 418 00:22:59,979 --> 00:23:02,048 I'm just going to give the script 419 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,350 and give them the antibiotic just to be sure. 420 00:23:04,451 --> 00:23:06,886 If you don't address that fear that 421 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:10,322 occurs at that moment when that patient is the physician's 422 00:23:10,423 --> 00:23:13,292 responsibility, not society at large, 423 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,461 then it's not going to work. 424 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:19,298 >> Where that gets really challenging for us as providers 425 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:23,169 is that when we see patients who have cough, and fever, 426 00:23:23,269 --> 00:23:26,072 and are missing school or missing work, 427 00:23:26,172 --> 00:23:30,276 we feel a need to be able to intervene to be able to cut 428 00:23:30,376 --> 00:23:33,580 those symptoms short and get people back to health. 429 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,548 Since we don't have good therapies for viruses, 430 00:23:35,648 --> 00:23:38,518 we tend to focus a lot on those bacterial infections 431 00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:40,587 that we do have antibiotics for. 432 00:23:40,687 --> 00:23:43,389 The problem is is that for every patient that we treat 433 00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:47,226 with antibiotics we're breeding a certain sense of resistance 434 00:23:47,326 --> 00:23:50,830 in the community, that's fine for infections that absolutely 435 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,431 require antibiotics. 436 00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:54,266 But where we really get into trouble 437 00:23:54,366 --> 00:23:57,704 is that we prescribe antibiotics for maybe five people. 438 00:23:57,804 --> 00:24:00,707 Maybe only two or three of them actually need antibiotics. 439 00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:03,242 And only two or three of them will those antibiotics actually 440 00:24:03,342 --> 00:24:04,410 make them better faster. 441 00:24:04,511 --> 00:24:07,346 >> And we need things like rapid diagnostic tests. 442 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:10,983 So when this patient is in my office, I run a test 443 00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:12,118 and a printout comes out. 444 00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:14,353 And it says, oh, this patient has a virus. 445 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,523 Now I have no more fear. 446 00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:18,958 Now I'm comfortable explaining to the patient 447 00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:19,959 you have a virus. 448 00:24:20,059 --> 00:24:20,993 We don't have any treatment for it. 449 00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:22,294 But it's just going to go away. 450 00:24:22,394 --> 00:24:25,498 You don't need an antibiotic. 451 00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:32,138 >> If you have a cold, stay home, stay in bed. 452 00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:34,607 This is the prescription which common sense 453 00:24:34,707 --> 00:24:39,011 and medical science recommend. 454 00:24:39,111 --> 00:24:40,880 >> And that feeling of being ineffective, 455 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:45,885 that feeling of not being able to cure all ills is sometimes 456 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,386 really tough. 457 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:49,556 I've taken care of several teenagers 458 00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:51,758 over the past few years that have suffered 459 00:24:51,858 --> 00:24:54,226 from community acquired methicillin-resistant staph 460 00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:55,628 aureus infections. 461 00:24:55,728 --> 00:24:57,396 In all of those situations, I remember 462 00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:01,467 at least one moment where I had to tell the family that I 463 00:25:01,568 --> 00:25:03,770 didn't think their child was going to survive 464 00:25:03,870 --> 00:25:05,938 this devastating infection. 465 00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:08,174 And that's typically done in an environment where 466 00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:10,109 the child's on a ventilator. 467 00:25:10,209 --> 00:25:13,345 They may be on a cardiac bypass unit called ECMO, where we're 468 00:25:13,445 --> 00:25:17,216 doing all of the work for them, doing the work of the kidneys, 469 00:25:17,316 --> 00:25:19,151 and the heart, and the lungs. 470 00:25:19,251 --> 00:25:21,320 It's usually after a very grueling week 471 00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:25,658 or maybe two weeks of antibiotic use that is not effective. 472 00:25:25,758 --> 00:25:27,326 And it's usually in the setting where 473 00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:28,861 I have the conversation that we've 474 00:25:28,961 --> 00:25:32,732 been able to have some victory over the bacteria. 475 00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:35,234 But because the bacteria was there for so long 476 00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:37,469 and because the inflammatory response 477 00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:41,373 was so great, that things aren't going the way they need to be. 478 00:25:41,473 --> 00:25:42,174 [beeping] 479 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:45,612 [hammering] 480 00:25:50,617 --> 00:25:53,953 [hammering] 481 00:25:56,022 --> 00:25:58,490 >> It was within a day that they had come back and told us it 482 00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:00,026 was MRSA blood infection. 483 00:26:03,963 --> 00:26:06,032 >> They think it was in his nose. 484 00:26:06,132 --> 00:26:07,399 And that it just started floating 485 00:26:07,499 --> 00:26:09,969 through his bloodstream and found a weak spot to attack, 486 00:26:10,069 --> 00:26:11,804 which ended up being his knee. 487 00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:13,640 Then it attacked his lungs. 488 00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:15,074 And then it just eventually started 489 00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:17,109 taking all of his organs. 490 00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:20,079 [beeping] 491 00:26:20,179 --> 00:26:22,381 He'll probably need other surgeries. 492 00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,684 [beeping] 493 00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:29,922 >> And the growth plate on his thigh bone and his femur is 494 00:26:30,022 --> 00:26:31,023 involved in all this. 495 00:26:31,123 --> 00:26:32,258 So it's not growing. 496 00:26:32,358 --> 00:26:34,060 So this leg is shorter than this leg. 497 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,031 So probably down the road we'll do something 498 00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:40,499 to equal the two out. 499 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,001 [beeping] 500 00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:43,002 All right. 501 00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:44,971 >> Want me to get a couple more. 502 00:26:45,071 --> 00:26:46,472 >> I think this will do it, Susan. 503 00:26:46,572 --> 00:26:47,273 >> OK. 504 00:26:47,373 --> 00:26:50,142 [beeping] 505 00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:53,445 >> Could you put family in a room, please? 506 00:26:53,545 --> 00:26:55,314 [beeping] 507 00:27:04,523 --> 00:27:08,127 >> The hardest part I think was walking in there that first 508 00:27:08,227 --> 00:27:12,598 time and seeing your child laying there with medicine all 509 00:27:12,699 --> 00:27:13,399 behind him-- 510 00:27:13,499 --> 00:27:14,767 >> Oh, Lord. 511 00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:16,468 >> --and wires, and machines, and only enough room for you 512 00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:18,204 to walk by his feet. 513 00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:20,072 And you can't do anything. 514 00:27:20,172 --> 00:27:22,541 And we just felt helpless. 515 00:27:31,784 --> 00:27:33,686 >> I don't know. 516 00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:40,192 Because I mean nobody wants to think about death. 517 00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:41,127 You don't want to die. 518 00:27:49,601 --> 00:27:51,771 I just knew like it was getting to the point-- 519 00:27:51,871 --> 00:27:54,440 I mean, I knew it had to be serious. 520 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:57,376 They wouldn't just fly me down there for no reason. 521 00:27:57,476 --> 00:28:00,913 And I just-- 522 00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:01,914 I don't know. 523 00:28:02,014 --> 00:28:03,215 I kind of gave up, I guess. 524 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:06,052 [music playing] 525 00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:07,019 >> 20 more. 526 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,823 [chatter] 527 00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:14,961 >> Like the stuff I still take for granted I'd say is school. 528 00:28:15,061 --> 00:28:18,965 But things I don't take for granted that I used to 529 00:28:19,065 --> 00:28:20,867 is like-- 530 00:28:20,967 --> 00:28:23,702 before all this happened, like taking a shower. 531 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:30,042 The first time I got back in the shower I was in hospital. 532 00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:31,177 And my dad was helping me. 533 00:28:31,277 --> 00:28:33,012 And I cried because that was first time I felt 534 00:28:33,112 --> 00:28:34,280 the water hit me on the feet. 535 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:37,683 [chatter] 536 00:28:42,488 --> 00:28:46,558 >> This has affected his life and long term. 537 00:28:46,658 --> 00:28:47,960 He keeps thinking. 538 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:50,797 I'm going to be better in a month, or two months, or three 539 00:28:50,897 --> 00:28:52,198 months. 540 00:28:52,298 --> 00:28:55,167 And it's hard for him to try to wrap his brain around the fact 541 00:28:55,267 --> 00:29:01,774 that he's got plates, and screws, and pins in his leg. 542 00:29:01,874 --> 00:29:03,309 And his lung is-- 543 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:04,243 >> [inaudible] 544 00:29:04,343 --> 00:29:06,678 >> --shrunken 545 00:29:06,779 --> 00:29:08,080 >> Does that hurt? 546 00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:10,282 >> There's always going to be that fear of what happens if. 547 00:29:10,382 --> 00:29:12,819 What happens if he's 20 years old 548 00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:15,721 and something starts going wrong with the sutures in his lung? 549 00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:19,225 What happens if he breaks that leg again, 550 00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:21,794 and it's chronic osteomyelitis, and it never heals, and it's 551 00:29:21,894 --> 00:29:22,862 always going to be broken? 552 00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:24,663 [music playing] 553 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:29,501 But I think overall I want him to get the most out of life. 554 00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:30,436 [beeping] 555 00:29:30,536 --> 00:29:32,738 [music playing] 556 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:33,973 There's something out there. 557 00:29:34,073 --> 00:29:38,144 There's some reason this kid was not allowed to go. 558 00:29:38,244 --> 00:29:39,711 And I can't wait to see what it is. 559 00:29:39,812 --> 00:29:42,614 [beeping] 560 00:29:42,714 --> 00:29:46,052 [music playing] 561 00:29:59,265 --> 00:30:01,200 >> To make a difference to antibiotic resistance, 562 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:05,071 the thing that we have to do is to stop misusing antibiotics. 563 00:30:05,171 --> 00:30:07,806 We have to stop misusing them or using them inappropriately 564 00:30:07,907 --> 00:30:09,008 in human medicine. 565 00:30:09,108 --> 00:30:10,877 And we have to stop misusing them and using them 566 00:30:10,977 --> 00:30:12,945 inappropriately in agriculture. 567 00:30:13,045 --> 00:30:14,847 Why do those two things keep going on? 568 00:30:14,947 --> 00:30:17,316 I think it's really two different situations. 569 00:30:17,416 --> 00:30:20,853 I think in the case of medicine, it's mostly just inertia. 570 00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:24,023 That medicine is a big, complicated enterprise. 571 00:30:24,123 --> 00:30:27,927 And it's hard to get new best practices, I guess 572 00:30:28,027 --> 00:30:31,630 they would say, into the hands of hospitals 573 00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:34,166 and to convince everyone of what has to happen. 574 00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:37,336 But in agriculture, it's a different situation. 575 00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:39,505 You hear over and over again in agriculture, 576 00:30:39,605 --> 00:30:42,441 we're not really sure if the use of antibiotics 577 00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:43,809 is contributing to resistance. 578 00:30:43,910 --> 00:30:45,811 [music playing] 579 00:30:45,912 --> 00:30:46,879 Yes, it is. 580 00:30:46,979 --> 00:30:48,580 It's not a scientific question any more. 581 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,982 It's a question of politics. 582 00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:52,451 And it's a question of economics. 583 00:30:52,551 --> 00:30:54,086 But it's really not a science question. 584 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:57,523 [music playing] 585 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,595 [clucking] 586 00:31:04,496 --> 00:31:07,333 [buzzing] 587 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:10,769 [pigs grunting] 588 00:31:13,305 --> 00:31:18,144 >> The agriculture believed that with antibiotics they could 589 00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:21,180 grow healthier, fatter animals quicker. 590 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,149 And then it evolved the fact that they 591 00:31:23,249 --> 00:31:25,217 found that they could keep animals in some pretty 592 00:31:25,317 --> 00:31:26,919 deplorable conditions-- 593 00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:29,121 unsanitary, unhealthy. 594 00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:32,058 But if they put some antibiotic in their food every day, 595 00:31:32,158 --> 00:31:37,129 they felt that they were stopping the animal illness. 596 00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:38,597 And that's about the same as trying 597 00:31:38,697 --> 00:31:40,967 to sprinkle antibiotic on your children's cereal 598 00:31:41,067 --> 00:31:41,867 every morning. 599 00:31:41,968 --> 00:31:43,235 It makes about as much sense. 600 00:31:56,748 --> 00:32:01,120 >> Today, agriculture is going far beyond nature to produce 601 00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:05,224 new miracles for an even better, more abundant life. 602 00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:09,962 >> Well, we produce 9 billion food animals in the United 603 00:32:10,062 --> 00:32:11,063 States every year. 604 00:32:11,163 --> 00:32:13,299 So those are animals that we raise for meat. 605 00:32:13,399 --> 00:32:16,268 And those 9 billion animals-- most of those 606 00:32:16,368 --> 00:32:17,970 are raised in Concentrated Animal Feeding 607 00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:22,541 Operations, or CAFOs, and given regular doses of antibiotics. 608 00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:26,012 And what we know is that about 80% of those antibiotics 609 00:32:26,112 --> 00:32:27,879 are used non-therapeutically. 610 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:30,649 And they're used to make the animals grow faster 611 00:32:30,749 --> 00:32:32,184 and to prevent diseases that may just 612 00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:34,320 be occurring because of the way we're raising them. 613 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:37,456 [music playing] 614 00:32:39,058 --> 00:32:42,428 [engine roaring] 615 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:08,387 >> It's as if someone said, what would be the best way to come 616 00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:12,124 up with a novel pathogen that we can't control? 617 00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:15,294 Hmm, let's get a bunch of creatures together. 618 00:33:15,394 --> 00:33:17,596 Let's put them together in close quarters. 619 00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:20,699 Let's put them literally over their own manure. 620 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,202 Let's feed them the same thing. 621 00:33:23,302 --> 00:33:26,072 And let's just to sort of ramp it up one-- let's 622 00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:29,208 put daily small doses of antibiotics. 623 00:33:29,308 --> 00:33:33,212 So we're making sure to select for bacterial strains that 624 00:33:33,312 --> 00:33:35,747 can survive these antibiotics. 625 00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:36,582 Let's do that. 626 00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:42,288 >> He's got a support your local farmer sign there. 627 00:33:46,392 --> 00:33:50,929 He just does that because he can. 628 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:52,264 He knows he's not a farmer. 629 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:54,700 He's an industrial pig producer. 630 00:33:58,237 --> 00:34:00,672 They're still working on that glass building back there. 631 00:34:00,772 --> 00:34:04,076 Like I said, there's a 600 head, a 1,200 head, an 1,800 head, 632 00:34:04,176 --> 00:34:06,745 and now another 1,200 head facility. 633 00:34:06,845 --> 00:34:09,114 But if you looked in the building, 634 00:34:09,215 --> 00:34:12,484 you'll find somewhere between 1,100 and 1,500 head 635 00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:17,289 of hogs that are packed together in tiny little pens. 636 00:34:19,358 --> 00:34:20,559 They're 637 00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:24,830 standing over a concrete pit that's 8 to 12 feet deep. 638 00:34:24,929 --> 00:34:27,899 Antibiotics are in their feed, in their water. 639 00:34:27,998 --> 00:34:30,969 And then if there's any sign of coughing or whatever, 640 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,904 they're also injected again. 641 00:34:33,004 --> 00:34:34,572 And they do not leave until they're 642 00:34:34,672 --> 00:34:36,308 ready to go to the truck and be butchered. 643 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:39,277 [waves crashing] 644 00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:53,824 >> Wherever livestock are kept, food bills always account 645 00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:56,328 for a large proportion of the cost. 646 00:34:56,428 --> 00:35:00,166 A bird or animal is not a very efficient factory 647 00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:03,169 for converting animal food into human food. 648 00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,971 And anything that will help to improve the efficiency 649 00:35:06,071 --> 00:35:08,840 will add to the profitability. 650 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,042 In this, the animal food industry 651 00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:13,279 is helped by the specialist laboratory. 652 00:35:16,515 --> 00:35:19,551 >> Back 56 years ago they found that if they gave very low 653 00:35:19,651 --> 00:35:22,588 levels of antibiotics, the animals would grow a little bit 654 00:35:22,688 --> 00:35:25,524 faster than if they didn't have the antibiotics in. 655 00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:26,625 We don't know why. 656 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:27,859 We didn't know why then. 657 00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:29,361 We still don't know why now. 658 00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:31,763 But we know that that does make the animal's 659 00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:33,399 grow a little bit faster. 660 00:35:33,499 --> 00:35:35,501 So that's why it started happening. 661 00:35:35,601 --> 00:35:38,304 And we've really grown up the industry 662 00:35:38,404 --> 00:35:41,807 with putting those low levels of antibiotics into the feed. 663 00:35:41,907 --> 00:35:48,214 >> The finding was at Lederle where the company was making 664 00:35:48,314 --> 00:35:51,617 a tetracycline for use in people. 665 00:35:51,717 --> 00:35:55,387 The mash from the tetracycline was 666 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:57,656 given to chickens and other animals 667 00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:00,326 and noted that they seem to grow better 668 00:36:00,426 --> 00:36:03,295 for the same amount of protein. 669 00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:06,632 Well, it turns out that the substance doing the growth 670 00:36:06,732 --> 00:36:09,501 promotion was none other than trace amounts 671 00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:12,103 of the tetracycline left with the carcasses. 672 00:36:12,204 --> 00:36:16,442 Then the industry said, let's just add it back to the feed. 673 00:36:16,542 --> 00:36:19,611 And so penicillins and tetracyclines especially 674 00:36:19,711 --> 00:36:23,148 were added back to feed for what was then 675 00:36:23,249 --> 00:36:28,186 called growth promotion, later called feed efficiency. 676 00:36:28,287 --> 00:36:32,090 And now being reexamined because in fact 677 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:33,959 their extended use is a mistake. 678 00:36:36,462 --> 00:36:39,765 >> For large corporations, what they want to do is get as much 679 00:36:39,865 --> 00:36:44,202 meat out as quickly and as cheaply as possible. 680 00:36:44,303 --> 00:36:48,106 That means putting antibiotics in for growth promotion, 681 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:50,609 to keep the animals from getting sick. 682 00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:53,312 And the whole thought of treating the animals 683 00:36:53,412 --> 00:36:54,646 gets to be almost secondary. 684 00:36:58,384 --> 00:37:00,852 >> Iowa is the biggest hog producing state in the United 685 00:37:00,952 --> 00:37:02,153 States. 686 00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:04,256 And it's really interesting to look 687 00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:07,158 at what happened in Iowa over the past 25 years. 688 00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:11,963 And the way that the place that hog farming had in Iowa 689 00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:13,299 changed over that period. 690 00:37:13,399 --> 00:37:15,967 >> Eric [? dee ?] produces 2,000 hogs a year on his factory 691 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,135 farm. 692 00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:19,004 He has traded in his slop bucket for buildings 693 00:37:19,104 --> 00:37:21,907 where the temperature is controlled, the feed automated, 694 00:37:22,007 --> 00:37:23,509 and the overhead expensive. 695 00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:26,745 In order to be profitable, this assembly line must run nonstop. 696 00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:29,014 >> We didn't find this system of technology. 697 00:37:29,114 --> 00:37:31,149 We were forced to look at this system of technology 698 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:32,618 if we wanted to stay afloat. 699 00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:34,686 [pigs grunting] 700 00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:40,792 >> So between '82 and 2007, we go from 50,000 farms to about 701 00:37:40,892 --> 00:37:42,093 8,000 farms. 702 00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:46,264 85% of hog farms in Iowa went out of business. 703 00:37:46,365 --> 00:37:51,269 The other ones scaled up dramatically. 704 00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:57,376 The price of a hog went from $240 in 1982 to about $109 705 00:37:57,476 --> 00:37:59,077 in 2007. 706 00:37:59,177 --> 00:38:00,946 So you saw the remaining farms were 707 00:38:01,046 --> 00:38:03,315 making way less profit per hog. 708 00:38:03,415 --> 00:38:05,951 And that is one of the reasons those farmers are 709 00:38:06,051 --> 00:38:09,688 so protective of their right to douse their hogs every day 710 00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:12,558 with antibiotics because they've got so many of them, 711 00:38:12,658 --> 00:38:16,462 they've got such tiny, tight micro thin profit 712 00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:19,197 margins that they're under severe pressure 713 00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:22,200 to produce as much as possible, as fast as possible. 714 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,436 >> I'd love to be able to say that we should only give 715 00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:28,206 antibiotics when they're absolutely, 100% necessary. 716 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:30,476 But right now in certain industries, 717 00:38:30,576 --> 00:38:34,613 as the poultry industry, the swine industry. 718 00:38:34,713 --> 00:38:36,515 It's an economic necessity. 719 00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:42,588 >> Confinement agriculture, as it now exists, 720 00:38:42,688 --> 00:38:46,224 could not exist without antibiotics being used the way 721 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:47,893 they are now used. 722 00:38:47,993 --> 00:38:50,261 So if you took antibiotics out of that system 723 00:38:50,362 --> 00:38:53,164 or if you even dialed back their use, 724 00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:54,933 the system would have to change. 725 00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:58,437 And people within that agricultural system 726 00:38:58,537 --> 00:39:01,407 say, it's not worth the cost. 727 00:39:01,507 --> 00:39:04,943 Well, tell that to a mother whose child 728 00:39:05,043 --> 00:39:07,379 dies of an antibiotic resistant illness. 729 00:39:07,479 --> 00:39:08,980 It's certainly worth it to that mother. 730 00:39:11,417 --> 00:39:14,553 >> April 16th, 2004-- 731 00:39:14,653 --> 00:39:18,690 it was a Friday, absolutely regular, normal everyday. 732 00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:21,226 And that morning around 6:00 in the morning, 733 00:39:21,326 --> 00:39:23,695 my son who was 18 months old, my son 734 00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:27,833 whose name is Simon Sparrow, let out this shriek. 735 00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:30,536 And he wasn't acting himself. 736 00:39:30,636 --> 00:39:32,604 He was kind of under the weather. 737 00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:35,674 But I just thought, oh, he's 18 months. 738 00:39:35,774 --> 00:39:36,542 Kids get sick. 739 00:39:36,642 --> 00:39:37,909 He'll be fine. 740 00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:41,780 But my husband had a sense that something was very serious. 741 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,315 So he said, I'm going to bring him to the emergency room 742 00:39:44,416 --> 00:39:48,053 because I really feel that there's something wrong here. 743 00:39:48,153 --> 00:39:50,456 And I actually thought he was overreacting. 744 00:39:50,556 --> 00:39:51,289 I thought, OK, yeah. 745 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:52,458 Go to the emergency room. 746 00:39:52,558 --> 00:39:53,659 I'll catch up with you later. 747 00:39:55,193 --> 00:39:57,996 I had to get my older daughter ready for school. 748 00:39:58,096 --> 00:39:59,030 And then I arrived. 749 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:01,867 My husband said that the emergency room 750 00:40:01,967 --> 00:40:05,437 folks had administered all kinds of tests. 751 00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:08,474 But no worries, he's fine and can go home. 752 00:40:09,941 --> 00:40:13,078 At this point, he was increasingly having 753 00:40:13,178 --> 00:40:14,513 trouble breathing. 754 00:40:14,613 --> 00:40:16,948 And then right in the middle of the afternoon 755 00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:19,350 I touched his cheek and his forehead. 756 00:40:19,451 --> 00:40:20,852 And they were ice cold. 757 00:40:20,952 --> 00:40:24,422 And I completely freaked out because I was used to fevers. 758 00:40:24,523 --> 00:40:26,692 If you touch the forehead and you 759 00:40:26,792 --> 00:40:30,061 can tell when that child has a fever because it's so hot. 760 00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:36,301 But I had never felt ice cold on a child's head. 761 00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:39,971 So I freaked out and I called the doctor 762 00:40:40,071 --> 00:40:42,173 at the emergency room. 763 00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:43,408 And I explain what's going on. 764 00:40:43,509 --> 00:40:45,644 And I had her actually listened to his breathing. 765 00:40:45,744 --> 00:40:50,682 And it was kind of like [breathes in and out].. 766 00:40:50,782 --> 00:40:52,784 And she said, hang up the phone. 767 00:40:52,884 --> 00:40:54,486 Call 911 immediately. 768 00:40:54,586 --> 00:40:56,555 And when the two men from the ambulance 769 00:40:56,655 --> 00:41:00,125 came up to our apartment, they did another series of tests. 770 00:41:00,225 --> 00:41:01,359 They said, he's fine. 771 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:03,428 And at that point, I felt kind of embarrassed. 772 00:41:03,529 --> 00:41:05,831 Like, oh my gosh, I exaggerated. 773 00:41:05,931 --> 00:41:08,399 I'm making much ado about nothing. 774 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:09,200 It's fine. 775 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:10,602 We can go home now. 776 00:41:10,702 --> 00:41:15,473 But then the medical technician said, no, because of protocol. 777 00:41:15,574 --> 00:41:17,609 Once you're in the ambulance, we have to take you 778 00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:18,510 to the emergency room. 779 00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:20,579 So we went to the emergency room. 780 00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,949 And then suddenly I had a flood of health care people 781 00:41:24,049 --> 00:41:25,584 surrounding me and Simon. 782 00:41:25,684 --> 00:41:28,219 And they kept repeating your child is very, very sick. 783 00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:30,088 Your child is very, very sick. 784 00:41:30,188 --> 00:41:33,324 And I was just breaking down. 785 00:41:33,424 --> 00:41:34,926 And then they were asking me questions 786 00:41:35,026 --> 00:41:37,896 like has Simon been to another country recently? 787 00:41:37,996 --> 00:41:38,730 No. 788 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:40,065 Has he been to a farm recently? 789 00:41:40,165 --> 00:41:40,999 No. 790 00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:42,400 Has he had all his immunizations? 791 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:43,569 Yes. 792 00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:45,336 And then they said, well, we have to take him 793 00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:47,305 to the intensive care unit. 794 00:41:47,405 --> 00:41:53,078 And then, finally, when I was allowed in, Simon was in a bed 795 00:41:53,178 --> 00:41:55,547 with all kinds of tubes connected to him. 796 00:41:55,647 --> 00:41:58,650 [chiming] 797 00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:00,819 He was intubated. 798 00:42:00,919 --> 00:42:02,888 And the doctor, the attending explained 799 00:42:02,988 --> 00:42:05,256 that he's having a lot of trouble breathing. 800 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:08,393 And she said, the only thing that we know 801 00:42:08,493 --> 00:42:09,895 is that your son has an infection. 802 00:42:09,995 --> 00:42:12,463 And he's very, very, very, very sick. 803 00:42:12,564 --> 00:42:14,465 So you need to plan to be here for a long time. 804 00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:29,948 And then they brought us into where he was lying down in bed. 805 00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:33,218 And there were at least 10 medical doctors. 806 00:42:33,318 --> 00:42:36,755 And they said that the only chance that he would have was 807 00:42:36,855 --> 00:42:40,525 if they put him on this machine called the ECMO machine, 808 00:42:40,626 --> 00:42:44,095 E-C-M-O. It's a heart-lung machine. 809 00:42:44,195 --> 00:42:45,463 So, of course, we said, OK, let's 810 00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:47,065 bring him to this machine. 811 00:42:47,165 --> 00:42:49,034 And it was very, very difficult to see this 812 00:42:49,134 --> 00:42:52,804 because they had to elevate him so that the machine would work 813 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:54,606 better for gravity reasons. 814 00:42:54,706 --> 00:42:57,575 And my husband stayed by his side the whole night. 815 00:42:57,676 --> 00:42:59,044 He was on a stepladder. 816 00:42:59,144 --> 00:43:01,446 And he was stroking his hair, telling him 817 00:43:01,546 --> 00:43:04,449 about all the things that they would do together 818 00:43:04,549 --> 00:43:07,018 like fishing, skiing, all the things 819 00:43:07,118 --> 00:43:09,487 that my husband wanted to do with Simon. 820 00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:13,058 And in the middle of night, I was just so beside myself. 821 00:43:13,158 --> 00:43:15,861 I really felt like that Simon had already died. 822 00:43:15,961 --> 00:43:19,564 And I really felt like I needed to go back home 823 00:43:19,665 --> 00:43:23,869 to where my daughter was so I could spend some time with her. 824 00:43:23,969 --> 00:43:27,639 And then I went back at 6:00, 7:00 in the morning. 825 00:43:27,739 --> 00:43:31,743 And that's when the doctor said that there was really 826 00:43:31,843 --> 00:43:35,546 no chance that Simon was going to make it. 827 00:43:35,647 --> 00:43:40,618 And at this point, my son was completely 828 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,187 transformed physically. 829 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:44,289 He was completely bloated. 830 00:43:44,389 --> 00:43:47,125 He had purple splotches all over his body. 831 00:43:47,225 --> 00:43:50,495 He had purple tears coming out of his eyes. 832 00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:57,903 I mean he looked totally like a different being altogether. 833 00:43:58,003 --> 00:44:00,638 And we agreed to take him off this ECMO machine. 834 00:44:00,739 --> 00:44:03,541 And that's when he was pronounced dead. 835 00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:06,544 That was April 17th, a Saturday. 836 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:10,648 And everybody was just completely stunned. 837 00:44:10,749 --> 00:44:14,385 No one knew why he had died. 838 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:20,658 And we had to live with that for about two months 839 00:44:20,759 --> 00:44:23,762 when we were waiting for the autopsy results. 840 00:44:23,862 --> 00:44:25,196 And that's what we were called in. 841 00:44:25,296 --> 00:44:28,099 And we were told that Simon had contracted 842 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,836 this antibiotic resistant bacterium. 843 00:44:30,936 --> 00:44:32,037 And it was a new strain. 844 00:44:32,137 --> 00:44:34,539 It was a community associated strain, 845 00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:36,808 not a health care associated strain. 846 00:44:36,908 --> 00:44:39,778 And it was a strain of MRSA staph, specifically 847 00:44:39,878 --> 00:44:43,514 methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus. 848 00:44:43,614 --> 00:44:47,318 And that's why when the doctors had given him 849 00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:52,190 a broad spectrum of antibiotics before he died, 850 00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:54,159 nothing was working. 851 00:44:54,259 --> 00:44:58,897 And what is so frustrating even to this day nine years later, 852 00:44:58,997 --> 00:45:01,933 we have absolutely no idea how Simon 853 00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:03,769 contracted this bacterium. 854 00:45:03,869 --> 00:45:05,136 We don't know even where. 855 00:45:11,276 --> 00:45:14,079 It happened in less than 24 hours. 856 00:45:16,614 --> 00:45:21,987 Really don't even have words to describe how we felt 857 00:45:22,087 --> 00:45:23,654 after learning all of this. 858 00:45:23,755 --> 00:45:27,125 [music playing] 859 00:45:46,544 --> 00:45:51,149 >> In the 70s, the FDA expressed serious concern about 860 00:45:51,249 --> 00:45:53,284 antibiotic resistance on farms. 861 00:45:53,384 --> 00:45:56,487 But by that time, the practice was so entrenched. 862 00:45:56,587 --> 00:45:59,690 And the interests involved were getting 863 00:45:59,791 --> 00:46:02,994 so big and powerful that the genie was already 864 00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:03,795 out of the bottle. 865 00:46:05,263 --> 00:46:07,198 >> Today, the Food and Drug Administration said that unless 866 00:46:07,298 --> 00:46:09,167 drug companies can prove their safety, 867 00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:12,603 the number of antibiotics used in poultry feed will be banned 868 00:46:12,703 --> 00:46:13,939 as of next year. 869 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,641 And there will be a similar ban on food for hog, sheep, 870 00:46:16,741 --> 00:46:17,642 and cattle by mid '73. 871 00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:23,048 >> When something that is approved by the FDA is not 872 00:46:23,148 --> 00:46:24,582 shown to be safe for human health, 873 00:46:24,682 --> 00:46:28,219 FDA has to stop the approval for that drug. 874 00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:31,522 >> We're creating resistant organisms that may ultimately 875 00:46:31,622 --> 00:46:35,160 transfer that resistance to organisms that cause human 876 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:36,494 disease. 877 00:46:36,594 --> 00:46:38,329 >> But do you think the use of animal feeds constitutes 878 00:46:38,429 --> 00:46:40,698 the sort of health hazard where there could be a severe 879 00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:41,499 epidemic? 880 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,234 >> Absolutely. 881 00:46:43,334 --> 00:46:45,070 >> And when FDA made those findings, 882 00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:47,272 those obligations followed. 883 00:46:47,372 --> 00:46:50,708 But for the next 35 years, actions stalled. 884 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:53,979 [music playing] 885 00:47:03,388 --> 00:47:04,890 >> It's a very complex issue. 886 00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:09,094 And there continues to remain gaps in the understanding. 887 00:47:09,194 --> 00:47:13,264 And I think that has driven the inability to kind of move 888 00:47:13,364 --> 00:47:17,735 forward is that those gaps over the numbers of years 889 00:47:17,835 --> 00:47:18,970 have always been pointed to. 890 00:47:19,070 --> 00:47:21,572 And say, well, we don't have definitive enough data. 891 00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:24,075 So, therefore, we shouldn't take any action. 892 00:47:24,175 --> 00:47:25,944 And I think that's been the thinking up 893 00:47:26,044 --> 00:47:27,778 until more recently where I think 894 00:47:27,879 --> 00:47:32,750 we've been pushing for moving forward with a strategy that 895 00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:34,519 says, well look, we understand there 896 00:47:34,619 --> 00:47:35,720 are some gaps in the science. 897 00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:37,555 But there is an awful lot we do know. 898 00:47:37,655 --> 00:47:41,592 >> We've tracked for decades now outbreaks associated with 899 00:47:41,692 --> 00:47:45,030 particular types of food animal groups and with products from 900 00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:46,364 food animals. 901 00:47:46,464 --> 00:47:50,035 And if resistant bacteria are causing those infections, 902 00:47:50,135 --> 00:47:52,737 then we've got to think about where the pressures were 903 00:47:52,837 --> 00:47:57,408 exerted on those bacteria to, number one, develop resistance, 904 00:47:57,508 --> 00:47:59,277 and to, number two, get into the food supply. 905 00:48:06,351 --> 00:48:08,319 >> This is not just a theoretical risk. 906 00:48:08,419 --> 00:48:11,456 What we see is that most of our meat and poultry in the United 907 00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:14,725 States are contaminated with drug-resistant bacteria. 908 00:48:14,825 --> 00:48:17,095 So just for example, if you go to the grocery store 909 00:48:17,195 --> 00:48:19,830 and you want to buy some ground turkey, you have about a one 910 00:48:19,931 --> 00:48:23,068 in 300 chance of finding a tube of the ground turkey 911 00:48:23,168 --> 00:48:25,536 that doesn't have drug-resistant bacteria in it. 912 00:48:25,636 --> 00:48:27,505 But this year something came out that really 913 00:48:27,605 --> 00:48:28,639 grabbed my attention. 914 00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:31,842 So this year we saw one package of ground turkey 915 00:48:31,943 --> 00:48:35,046 had a salmonella strain in it that was resistant to all eight 916 00:48:35,146 --> 00:48:36,681 drugs that were tested. 917 00:48:36,781 --> 00:48:40,318 So we may be looking at pan-resistant salmonella. 918 00:48:40,418 --> 00:48:42,420 So most salmonella infections are self-limiting. 919 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,255 You're uncomfortable for a while. 920 00:48:44,355 --> 00:48:48,226 You use a lot of toilet paper, right, but you usually survive. 921 00:48:48,326 --> 00:48:52,163 But when this is pan-resistant, if your immune system cannot 922 00:48:52,263 --> 00:48:56,634 take care of it, you're very likely to die of this, right? 923 00:48:56,734 --> 00:48:59,237 It's because your physician doesn't have any other options 924 00:48:59,337 --> 00:49:00,538 to treat you with this. 925 00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:09,814 >> In response, FDA has chosen to focus on voluntary measures, 926 00:49:09,914 --> 00:49:13,284 essentially recommendations to industry that industry is free 927 00:49:13,384 --> 00:49:14,552 to follow or ignore. 928 00:49:14,652 --> 00:49:19,357 >> It enables us to work in a collaborative way with 929 00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:22,860 the industry and in a co-operative way so that we can 930 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,033 move forward in a productive way to get this issue addressed, 931 00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:32,670 but at same time make sure that these products continue to be 932 00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:35,373 available to the animal ag community. 933 00:49:35,473 --> 00:49:38,143 And that we make the change in a real deliberate way, 934 00:49:38,243 --> 00:49:42,247 and it gives us some ability to phase it in over time 935 00:49:42,347 --> 00:49:44,949 and pay attention to what those collateral effects may 936 00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:48,886 be as we move forward implementing the changes. 937 00:49:51,889 --> 00:49:56,394 >> Over and over we see the influence of money in politics. 938 00:49:56,494 --> 00:49:58,596 And you know what it really comes down to, I think, 939 00:49:58,696 --> 00:50:01,932 is that when these industries consolidate 940 00:50:02,033 --> 00:50:04,869 and more and more of the industry 941 00:50:04,969 --> 00:50:06,804 gets tied up into fewer and fewer hands. 942 00:50:06,904 --> 00:50:08,473 You get these massive companies. 943 00:50:08,573 --> 00:50:10,341 They make massive amounts of profits, 944 00:50:10,441 --> 00:50:13,010 and they invest some of those profits in their lobbying 945 00:50:13,111 --> 00:50:14,412 effort. 946 00:50:14,512 --> 00:50:19,084 >> The idea there was is that if these two antibiotic could be 947 00:50:19,184 --> 00:50:22,353 limited, then their usefulness in veterinary therapy 948 00:50:22,453 --> 00:50:25,056 and in human therapy would be preserved. 949 00:50:25,156 --> 00:50:27,892 >> Feedlot operators fought that ban and won. 950 00:50:27,992 --> 00:50:29,927 They argued, no conclusive link has 951 00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:32,097 been established between antibiotic use 952 00:50:32,197 --> 00:50:34,365 in animals and human disease. 953 00:50:34,465 --> 00:50:36,801 But the government says that's no longer true. 954 00:50:36,901 --> 00:50:39,637 >> It isn't just the meat companies who have massive 955 00:50:39,737 --> 00:50:40,705 amounts of power. 956 00:50:40,805 --> 00:50:42,840 It's the animal pharmaceutical companies 957 00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:45,643 that make lots and lots of money selling the stuff. 958 00:50:45,743 --> 00:50:47,044 They have a vested interest. 959 00:50:47,145 --> 00:50:49,280 The fast food industry-- they don't really care how it gets 960 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:50,648 made. 961 00:50:50,748 --> 00:50:52,917 They just want to be able to offer their triple cheeseburger 962 00:50:53,017 --> 00:50:54,919 or their meat lover's pizza at a price that 963 00:50:55,019 --> 00:50:56,554 keeps consumers coming back. 964 00:50:56,654 --> 00:50:58,289 They're against these kinds of measures. 965 00:50:58,389 --> 00:51:02,127 And so you get these powerful economic interests lined up 966 00:51:02,227 --> 00:51:04,662 with lobbying power, and it really 967 00:51:04,762 --> 00:51:06,231 isn't that big of a mystery why we 968 00:51:06,331 --> 00:51:07,465 haven't seen very much change. 969 00:51:12,903 --> 00:51:15,806 >> But now that we know the extent of the problem, 970 00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:18,676 let us consider what can be done about it. 971 00:51:18,776 --> 00:51:21,146 Is it a necessary evil? 972 00:51:21,246 --> 00:51:23,381 Is it something science is unable to fight, 973 00:51:23,481 --> 00:51:27,385 or is it simply too powerful for the human race to cope with? 974 00:51:27,485 --> 00:51:29,654 I was born in Denmark. 975 00:51:29,754 --> 00:51:32,723 Some years ago, I went back for a visit. 976 00:51:32,823 --> 00:51:35,826 I was amazed at their progress, and I took some home movies. 977 00:51:38,529 --> 00:51:40,865 You can see for yourself how Denmark attacks the problem. 978 00:51:52,143 --> 00:51:58,183 >> [inaudible] 979 00:51:58,283 --> 00:52:04,389 >> In 1992, Denmark made an agreement with the English 980 00:52:04,489 --> 00:52:06,691 people. 981 00:52:06,791 --> 00:52:09,794 They don't want antibiotic growth promoters 982 00:52:09,894 --> 00:52:12,297 in the food for the pigs. 983 00:52:12,397 --> 00:52:16,701 And in 1995, it was banned in Denmark 984 00:52:16,801 --> 00:52:21,372 that you may not use antibiotic growth promoters for food. 985 00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:25,075 In 1998, it was banned in Europe, 986 00:52:25,176 --> 00:52:29,046 but I think it was 2004 it was stopped 987 00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:32,850 the use antibiotic growth promoters totally in Europe. 988 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:43,628 But in Denmark we started already in 1992. 989 00:52:43,728 --> 00:52:47,965 >> 200 females and no one is screaming. 990 00:52:48,065 --> 00:52:49,734 >> As soon as we started looking after it, 991 00:52:49,834 --> 00:52:51,636 we could see that this resistance was all over 992 00:52:51,736 --> 00:52:53,738 the place in our food animals. 993 00:52:53,838 --> 00:52:56,407 It was in our food products, and it was actually also 994 00:52:56,507 --> 00:52:59,277 in healthy humans in the community in Denmark, 995 00:52:59,377 --> 00:53:03,614 even though there was extremely limited amount of use 996 00:53:03,714 --> 00:53:05,015 on the human side at that time. 997 00:53:05,115 --> 00:53:10,488 >> There was a public debate on whether this was a human health 998 00:53:10,588 --> 00:53:15,993 risk that we used these antibiotic growth promoters. 999 00:53:16,093 --> 00:53:22,367 And finally, the industry decided that we could probably 1000 00:53:22,467 --> 00:53:25,770 still have a profitable production 1001 00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:28,773 without using the antibiotic growth promoters. 1002 00:53:28,873 --> 00:53:32,977 So in order to, you could say, accommodate 1003 00:53:33,077 --> 00:53:38,783 the public and our customers, we decided that we 1004 00:53:38,883 --> 00:53:41,218 would ban them voluntarily. 1005 00:53:41,319 --> 00:53:42,887 It's an industry initiative. 1006 00:53:42,987 --> 00:53:44,221 It was not the government. 1007 00:53:44,322 --> 00:53:47,525 Later on, the EU banned antibiotic growth promoters, 1008 00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:49,894 but that was seven years later. 1009 00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:54,198 So it was simply because of a discussion in the public about 1010 00:53:54,299 --> 00:53:56,834 whether this was a problem. 1011 00:54:02,273 --> 00:54:05,175 >> Well, the question is, does their system work any better? 1012 00:54:11,582 --> 00:54:15,320 >> The bottom line is that today we in total use approximately 1013 00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:19,724 half the amount of antimicrobial agents as we did before 1014 00:54:19,824 --> 00:54:24,161 the ban, and we produce 50% more. 1015 00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:29,199 And at the same time, resistance has gone down really heavily. 1016 00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:32,069 >> I will not say I love that ban, 1017 00:54:32,169 --> 00:54:36,574 but the result coming out of the ban I love that. 1018 00:54:36,674 --> 00:54:39,844 I'm not organic producer, but I love not 1019 00:54:39,944 --> 00:54:42,780 to give more than necessary. 1020 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,384 >> You have to balance out what are the costs and what are 1021 00:54:46,484 --> 00:54:48,185 the benefits. 1022 00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:50,755 AGPs, when we stopped using them, 1023 00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:56,327 we could see that mortality went up just a little bit, 1024 00:54:56,427 --> 00:54:59,964 daily growth went down just a little bit, 1025 00:55:00,064 --> 00:55:04,068 but it was not something that was the end of the industry. 1026 00:55:04,168 --> 00:55:06,203 Otherwise, we wouldn't be here today. 1027 00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:09,006 And, I mean, we produce more pigs today 1028 00:55:09,106 --> 00:55:13,944 than we did 12 years ago, way more pigs. 1029 00:55:20,117 --> 00:55:22,687 >> Well, of course, we hear this argument all the time that this 1030 00:55:22,787 --> 00:55:25,089 might be feasible to do something in a small country 1031 00:55:25,189 --> 00:55:26,256 like Denmark. 1032 00:55:26,357 --> 00:55:27,392 But come on. 1033 00:55:27,492 --> 00:55:30,728 Denmark is producing 28 million pigs every year. 1034 00:55:30,828 --> 00:55:34,699 That's basically the same amount as the state of Iowa does. 1035 00:55:34,799 --> 00:55:36,867 I think it's about 30 million pigs. 1036 00:55:36,967 --> 00:55:38,603 So if we could do it in Denmark, of course 1037 00:55:38,703 --> 00:55:39,670 you could do it in Iowa. 1038 00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:41,205 And Iowa's probably the state in the US 1039 00:55:41,305 --> 00:55:43,040 that's producing most pigs. 1040 00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:46,310 So it's not so difficult. It is actually feasible, 1041 00:55:46,411 --> 00:55:50,748 and, of course, you can scale it up to any state in the US. 1042 00:56:00,558 --> 00:56:03,561 >> Well, it sounds like ABC, doesn't it? 1043 00:56:03,661 --> 00:56:06,797 Well, it's that easy, and it's up to you. 1044 00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:16,407 >> I don't know about you, but I hate the idea of the Swedes, 1045 00:56:16,507 --> 00:56:19,043 Norwegians, and Danes thinking we're a bunch of superstitious 1046 00:56:19,143 --> 00:56:20,411 idiots. 1047 00:56:20,511 --> 00:56:23,514 Let's show them we're as adult and intelligent as they are. 1048 00:56:23,614 --> 00:56:26,083 So let that be our plan of conquest, 1049 00:56:26,183 --> 00:56:27,852 the conquest of disease. 1050 00:56:27,952 --> 00:56:30,821 [music playing] 1051 00:56:47,805 --> 00:56:52,142 >> There is no government agency that feels empowered or indeed 1052 00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:56,814 is empowered to really watch out for effectiveness 1053 00:56:56,914 --> 00:56:58,549 of antibiotics. 1054 00:56:58,649 --> 00:57:02,186 And I'm not advocating the creation of a new government 1055 00:57:02,286 --> 00:57:05,523 agency, but certainly if we didn't have government paying 1056 00:57:05,623 --> 00:57:07,892 attention to the [? effector's ?] antibiotics, 1057 00:57:07,992 --> 00:57:10,327 most assuredly there's no private incentive 1058 00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:12,463 to pay attention to this. 1059 00:57:12,563 --> 00:57:14,465 >> If you want to design interventions to block 1060 00:57:14,565 --> 00:57:16,066 transmission of infections, you've got to know where 1061 00:57:16,166 --> 00:57:17,134 the infections are. 1062 00:57:17,234 --> 00:57:18,268 You've got to know where the resistance is. 1063 00:57:18,368 --> 00:57:20,104 You've got to know where the antibiotic use is. 1064 00:57:20,204 --> 00:57:24,742 Europe has developed a very sophisticated network that's 1065 00:57:24,842 --> 00:57:27,177 EU wide, and the United States is behind. 1066 00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:29,446 >> To really understand resistance and to really 1067 00:57:29,547 --> 00:57:33,350 understand what's going on, it's probably more important to have 1068 00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:36,787 granular information that allows you to look at more discrete 1069 00:57:36,887 --> 00:57:40,858 geographic areas, to look at the correlation of use with 1070 00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:45,863 the resistance rates that may happen at a more local level. 1071 00:57:45,963 --> 00:57:48,633 >> And what are the challenges to getting to that more 1072 00:57:48,733 --> 00:57:51,101 granular level? 1073 00:57:51,201 --> 00:57:56,273 >> So it's in essence either accessing that information 1074 00:57:56,373 --> 00:58:01,979 through vendors who do gather that information, 1075 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,181 companies such as IMS Health. 1076 00:58:04,281 --> 00:58:08,485 Other vendors that do provide such data 1077 00:58:08,586 --> 00:58:10,254 may provide a resource for those that 1078 00:58:10,354 --> 00:58:13,624 are wanting to do research to look 1079 00:58:13,724 --> 00:58:18,228 at the correlation of resistance with particular levels 1080 00:58:18,328 --> 00:58:22,600 of anti-microbial drug use. 1081 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,069 >> And this may be a really naive question, 1082 00:58:25,169 --> 00:58:28,405 but I think it's one that a lot of regular people would have. 1083 00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:32,509 Why can't we just say, you have to tell us how much you use? 1084 00:58:32,610 --> 00:58:34,178 There has to be an accounting. 1085 00:58:37,114 --> 00:58:39,850 >> So I'm not sure I can answer that question exactly, 1086 00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:46,156 but health care records, health care laws-- 1087 00:58:46,256 --> 00:58:50,027 it's not entirely clear to me how that would happen. 1088 00:58:50,127 --> 00:58:52,697 But the folks that-- 1089 00:58:52,797 --> 00:58:59,503 and I'm not sure this is really something that will-- 1090 00:58:59,604 --> 00:59:01,471 it's not my area of expertise per se as 1091 00:59:01,572 --> 00:59:02,840 far as gathering all this data. 1092 00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:06,744 But there are groups like IMS Health, Wolters Kluwer, 1093 00:59:06,844 --> 00:59:09,079 other organizations, Premier Health, 1094 00:59:09,179 --> 00:59:11,515 that are sources of this type of data. 1095 00:59:11,616 --> 00:59:14,619 And through contracts with them, they 1096 00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:18,689 can provide different types of data on anti-bacterial drug 1097 00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:19,924 usage. 1098 00:59:20,024 --> 00:59:23,427 [music playing] 1099 00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:58,562 >> The political and economic realities behind why we have 1100 00:59:58,663 --> 01:00:03,033 not set up a coordinated federal network that isn't just looking 1101 01:00:03,133 --> 01:00:07,537 at one or two diseases at a time but is doing pan surveillance, 1102 01:00:07,638 --> 01:00:10,808 I think those are real policy questions that need to be 1103 01:00:10,908 --> 01:00:12,142 addressed. 1104 01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:14,011 >> If you do not have these data to show where you are, 1105 01:00:14,111 --> 01:00:16,480 you have absolutely no clue where you're going. 1106 01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:19,083 You cannot monitor what is the effect of the interventions you 1107 01:00:19,183 --> 01:00:19,917 do. 1108 01:00:20,017 --> 01:00:21,151 You don't know which kind of-- 1109 01:00:21,251 --> 01:00:24,855 what you should target, what you should do about it. 1110 01:00:24,955 --> 01:00:28,125 And so surveillance is really the essence 1111 01:00:28,225 --> 01:00:30,360 to the basis of everything for anything 1112 01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:34,865 you do both before and also for the future. 1113 01:00:34,965 --> 01:00:39,136 >> You have to have an independent FDA and USDA, 1114 01:00:39,236 --> 01:00:40,771 and independent regulatory authorities, 1115 01:00:40,871 --> 01:00:43,073 to be able to look at these products to analyze them 1116 01:00:43,173 --> 01:00:47,544 on a continuing basis and call the chips where they may. 1117 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:49,479 And that sometimes creates political problems 1118 01:00:49,579 --> 01:00:52,482 on Capitol Hill and elsewhere, but that 1119 01:00:52,582 --> 01:00:54,051 is what the public expects. 1120 01:00:57,554 --> 01:01:01,658 >> This fight is probably the fight of a lifetime. 1121 01:01:01,759 --> 01:01:03,593 I don't think there's any question about that. 1122 01:01:03,694 --> 01:01:08,532 If 148,000 people die a year of uncontrollable infections, 1123 01:01:08,632 --> 01:01:10,600 we've got a problem on our hands, 1124 01:01:10,701 --> 01:01:13,938 particularly since a decade or two ago that wouldn't 1125 01:01:14,038 --> 01:01:15,405 have been a problem at all. 1126 01:01:15,505 --> 01:01:17,808 And it is up to us to stop it. 1127 01:01:17,908 --> 01:01:20,110 And it is heartbreaking to me-- 1128 01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:21,779 not to say stupid-- 1129 01:01:21,879 --> 01:01:25,149 that we would take one of the most single advances 1130 01:01:25,249 --> 01:01:29,887 in medicine in our lifetime or in this last century 1131 01:01:29,987 --> 01:01:31,355 and simply waste it. 1132 01:01:31,455 --> 01:01:32,656 And it infuriates me. 1133 01:01:47,537 --> 01:01:50,741 >> If you look now at our current antibiotic pipeline, 1134 01:01:50,841 --> 01:01:55,445 I think that it would be appropriate to be concerned. 1135 01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:58,348 There aren't nearly enough drugs coming forward. 1136 01:02:11,996 --> 01:02:15,966 >> If you're a pharma company and you spend 10 years 1137 01:02:16,066 --> 01:02:17,134 and a billion dollars-- 1138 01:02:17,234 --> 01:02:19,236 those are the usually agreed to numbers-- 1139 01:02:19,336 --> 01:02:22,840 10 years and a billion dollars developing a drug, 1140 01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:26,844 and you bring that drug out and within a year 1141 01:02:26,944 --> 01:02:28,345 bacteria are resistant to it. 1142 01:02:28,445 --> 01:02:31,715 And within three years a lot of bacteria are resistant to it, 1143 01:02:31,816 --> 01:02:33,851 and within five years maybe physicians 1144 01:02:33,951 --> 01:02:35,920 don't want to prescribe your drug anymore 1145 01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:38,588 because they're not sure if it's going to work in their patients 1146 01:02:38,688 --> 01:02:39,924 or not. 1147 01:02:40,024 --> 01:02:41,525 Why would you make that drug? 1148 01:02:41,625 --> 01:02:43,861 How are you going to recoup that billion dollars? 1149 01:02:43,961 --> 01:02:45,830 When you look at it through that lens, 1150 01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:50,100 making something like Viagra or statins or insulin 1151 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,302 that people will take for the rest of their lives, 1152 01:02:52,402 --> 01:02:53,537 that makes a lot more sense. 1153 01:02:57,374 --> 01:02:59,877 >> The second side of the coin is the regulatory. 1154 01:02:59,977 --> 01:03:03,247 The Food and Drug Administration has completely changed the way 1155 01:03:03,347 --> 01:03:06,516 that it looks at antibiotic clinical trials, 1156 01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:10,888 and the reasons for this relate to very Byzantine 1157 01:03:10,988 --> 01:03:13,824 statistical concepts. 1158 01:03:13,924 --> 01:03:18,028 The effect is that companies know, 1159 01:03:18,128 --> 01:03:20,564 A, they don't know how to get new clinical trials done 1160 01:03:20,664 --> 01:03:21,698 for antibiotics. 1161 01:03:21,798 --> 01:03:24,701 And even successfully completing those trials, 1162 01:03:24,801 --> 01:03:27,504 you have a much lower chance of getting a drug approved 1163 01:03:27,604 --> 01:03:29,306 now than in the past. 1164 01:03:29,406 --> 01:03:32,176 So tell industry, tell investors that it's 1165 01:03:32,276 --> 01:03:34,144 going to take much longer than it used to. 1166 01:03:34,244 --> 01:03:36,480 It's going to be much more expensive than it used to be, 1167 01:03:36,580 --> 01:03:38,348 and you're going to have a much higher risk of failure 1168 01:03:38,448 --> 01:03:40,584 even if you successfully complete your phase three 1169 01:03:40,684 --> 01:03:44,955 trials, and watch those investors run for the hills. 1170 01:03:45,055 --> 01:03:48,225 That's what we've done as a matter of public policy 1171 01:03:48,325 --> 01:03:51,996 in antibiotic development. 1172 01:03:52,096 --> 01:03:54,198 >> We need to encourage developers to be willing 1173 01:03:54,298 --> 01:03:57,667 to bring forward antibiotics that might be antibiotics that 1174 01:03:57,767 --> 01:03:59,436 we don't use very often. 1175 01:03:59,536 --> 01:04:03,507 And I think it is not reasonable to expect new antibiotics 1176 01:04:03,607 --> 01:04:05,209 to all be best selling drugs. 1177 01:04:05,309 --> 01:04:07,244 That, in fact, if they become best selling drugs, 1178 01:04:07,344 --> 01:04:10,514 we're probably not using them correctly. 1179 01:04:10,614 --> 01:04:13,017 >> What we need to go after is thinking through where 1180 01:04:13,117 --> 01:04:15,685 we're going to get our antibiotics rather than trying 1181 01:04:15,785 --> 01:04:18,622 to fork over a lot of money to some big pharma company to come 1182 01:04:18,722 --> 01:04:19,924 up with the next blockbuster. 1183 01:04:20,024 --> 01:04:22,359 Because what's that really going to solve? 1184 01:04:22,459 --> 01:04:25,362 That's kind of like, you have a new car 1185 01:04:25,462 --> 01:04:27,497 and you drive it on a road which is really bad. 1186 01:04:27,597 --> 01:04:30,000 So your new car goes bad, and so you say, well, 1187 01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:33,703 what I really need to fix that problem is another new car. 1188 01:04:33,803 --> 01:04:36,140 No, what we really need is a better road. 1189 01:04:39,709 --> 01:04:42,546 >> If we don't develop any new drugs for blood pressure 1190 01:04:42,646 --> 01:04:45,615 in the next 50 years, that's OK. 1191 01:04:45,715 --> 01:04:46,984 The stuff we have today are going 1192 01:04:47,084 --> 01:04:50,220 to work just as well 50 years from now as they do today. 1193 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,789 But if we don't develop any new antibiotics, 1194 01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:56,360 the nature of the beast is that the stuff we have today 1195 01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:57,861 are not going to work anymore. 1196 01:04:57,962 --> 01:05:00,965 That's bacteria using their genes to adapt. 1197 01:05:01,065 --> 01:05:03,233 We have to develop new ones, or we will not 1198 01:05:03,333 --> 01:05:04,701 have effective ones at all. 1199 01:05:04,801 --> 01:05:07,104 [music playing] 1200 01:05:14,378 --> 01:05:18,748 >> The tragedy of the commons exists when any individual 1201 01:05:18,848 --> 01:05:20,584 who's using a particular resource-- 1202 01:05:20,684 --> 01:05:22,552 let's just call it fisheries. 1203 01:05:22,652 --> 01:05:24,854 And you think, well, a problem with fisheries 1204 01:05:24,955 --> 01:05:27,091 is that there is too many people catching fish, 1205 01:05:27,191 --> 01:05:30,260 because any fish they leave in the ocean 1206 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,296 is basically lost to them because someone else is 1207 01:05:32,396 --> 01:05:33,663 going to catch it. 1208 01:05:33,763 --> 01:05:36,000 And that's exactly the same problem with antibiotics, which 1209 01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:38,902 is if I don't use their effectiveness, 1210 01:05:39,003 --> 01:05:40,537 it's gone tomorrow because someone else 1211 01:05:40,637 --> 01:05:42,772 is going to be using up their effectiveness. 1212 01:05:42,872 --> 01:05:45,809 And in a sense, it takes the problem 1213 01:05:45,909 --> 01:05:48,245 of antibiotics out of the realm of medical science, 1214 01:05:48,345 --> 01:05:51,315 which it is a medical problem, but it's really 1215 01:05:51,415 --> 01:05:56,020 a problem of behavior of individuals and of societies. 1216 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,855 >> The over-prescription and misuse of antibiotics is 1217 01:05:58,955 --> 01:06:03,693 a classic example of the tragedy of the commons. 1218 01:06:03,793 --> 01:06:05,895 If I was the only physician in the country that 1219 01:06:05,996 --> 01:06:08,832 was prescribing antibiotics to people with viral infections, 1220 01:06:08,932 --> 01:06:11,401 it would have almost no impact on the spread 1221 01:06:11,501 --> 01:06:13,770 of antibiotic resistance upon bacteria. 1222 01:06:13,870 --> 01:06:17,307 When every physician does it and when it's done in animals, 1223 01:06:17,407 --> 01:06:21,345 it's done on a tremendously widespread industrial scale. 1224 01:06:21,445 --> 01:06:25,782 That has a negative detrimental effect on society as a whole. 1225 01:06:25,882 --> 01:06:29,453 And the time for bickering over half measures 1226 01:06:29,553 --> 01:06:32,356 and debating the nuances is over. 1227 01:06:32,456 --> 01:06:33,990 We're past all that. 1228 01:06:34,091 --> 01:06:36,793 It's time to sit down in a serious way 1229 01:06:36,893 --> 01:06:40,997 and fundamentally redesign the processes by which we discover, 1230 01:06:41,098 --> 01:06:43,867 use, and protect antibiotics. 1231 01:06:47,637 --> 01:06:52,642 >> We can try and figure out a way to protect ourselves from 1232 01:06:52,742 --> 01:06:56,513 the very dangerous microbes that are out there, 1233 01:06:56,613 --> 01:07:01,985 and that probably will require us to accept some risk 1234 01:07:02,086 --> 01:07:04,054 associated with life. 1235 01:07:04,154 --> 01:07:08,625 That is, if we walk around into our environment, 1236 01:07:08,725 --> 01:07:12,329 it's probably better for us in the long run 1237 01:07:12,429 --> 01:07:15,031 to get exposed to the microbes in the dirt 1238 01:07:15,132 --> 01:07:18,102 and on our mother and other places. 1239 01:07:18,202 --> 01:07:22,005 So you sort of have to accept that occasionally some of them 1240 01:07:22,106 --> 01:07:24,741 are going to make you sick, and hopefully we'll 1241 01:07:24,841 --> 01:07:27,244 have treatments that will allow us, 1242 01:07:27,344 --> 01:07:32,916 if they make you really sick, to get rid of them. 1243 01:07:33,016 --> 01:07:37,721 >> The best quote that explains our relationship with microbes 1244 01:07:37,821 --> 01:07:40,924 came from Nobel laureate Dr. Joshua Lederberg, 1245 01:07:41,024 --> 01:07:44,494 who wrote in the magazine Science that the future 1246 01:07:44,594 --> 01:07:47,564 of humanity and microbes will likely evolve as episodes 1247 01:07:47,664 --> 01:07:51,235 of our wits versus their genes. 1248 01:07:51,335 --> 01:07:54,904 Their genes allow them to adapt to anything we throw at them. 1249 01:07:55,004 --> 01:07:58,808 It's up to us to use our wits to keep up with their genes. 1250 01:07:58,908 --> 01:08:01,778 [music playing] 1251 01:09:25,461 --> 01:09:27,231 [MUSIC - JONATHAN STONE PHILLIPS, 1252 01:09:27,331 --> 01:09:36,306 "I SAW IT DARKEN A SWIMMING POOL"] 1253 01:09:36,406 --> 01:09:41,411 >> I remember in middle school I saw it darken a swimming pool. 1254 01:09:41,511 --> 01:09:42,779 It's growing. 1255 01:09:42,879 --> 01:09:44,147 It's growing. 1256 01:09:44,247 --> 01:09:45,949 It's growing. 1257 01:09:46,049 --> 01:09:47,283 It's taking over me. 1258 01:09:52,755 --> 01:09:55,625 You shouldn't push up against it. 1259 01:09:55,725 --> 01:09:58,193 Don't move it, or you'll offend it. 1260 01:09:58,295 --> 01:09:59,128 It's growing. 1261 01:09:59,228 --> 01:10:00,464 It's growing. 1262 01:10:00,564 --> 01:10:02,632 It's growing. 1263 01:10:02,732 --> 01:10:03,933 It's taking over me. 1264 01:10:25,989 --> 01:10:28,925 Sometimes it covers everything. 1265 01:10:29,025 --> 01:10:31,160 Sometimes it's only there between the trees. 1266 01:10:31,261 --> 01:10:32,596 It's growing. 1267 01:10:32,696 --> 01:10:34,063 It's growing. 1268 01:10:34,163 --> 01:10:35,699 It's growing. 1269 01:10:35,799 --> 01:10:36,532 It's taking over me. 1270 01:10:42,739 --> 01:10:45,475 It's the color of misplaced fruit. 1271 01:10:45,575 --> 01:10:47,811 I hate to say it, but right now it's probably near you. 1272 01:10:58,121 --> 01:11:01,958 [inaudible] 96178

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