All language subtitles for Sex.Drugs.Bicycles.2020.1080p.WEBRip.x264-RARBG

af Afrikaans
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bn Bengali
bs Bosnian
bg Bulgarian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
km Khmer
ko Korean
ku Kurdish (Kurmanji)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Lao
la Latin
lv Latvian
lt Lithuanian
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
ne Nepali
no Norwegian
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt Portuguese Download
pa Punjabi
ro Romanian
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
st Sesotho
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhala
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish Download
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
te Telugu
th Thai
tr Turkish
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
or Odia (Oriya)
rw Kinyarwanda
tk Turkmen
tt Tatar
ug Uyghur
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,699 --> 00:00:37,230 Hey there! My name is Jonathan Blank, and I'll be your host for this movie making short 2 00:00:37,230 --> 00:00:41,750 statements about tall people. In case you didn't know the Dutch are the world's tallest 3 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:46,839 people. I'm not sure why that's important, but I figured I'd mention it. In the US, where 4 00:00:46,839 --> 00:00:52,220 I'm from, I've heard some people talk about social democracy like it's a nightmarish hell. 5 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:57,790 Back in the 1990s I made a documentary about Holland. At the time, it was the world's most 6 00:00:57,790 --> 00:01:03,089 liberal country, and it sure didn't seem like hell to me. But maybe I was too young, too 7 00:01:03,089 --> 00:01:09,299 naïve, and too stoned to realize how nightmarish it really was. So I decided to go back and 8 00:01:09,299 --> 00:01:14,750 re-evaluate the place with my older, wiser, and more nearsighted eyes. What I ultimately 9 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:19,907 found will surprise you completely, partially, or not at all. 10 00:02:03,032 --> 00:02:10,240 Here more people think, well have a nice life. Enjoy your life. And there's a lot of freedom. 11 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,200 You have a lot of free time and it's paid for … that's also for Americans sometimes 12 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,350 astonishing that you do not only get paid during your holidays you get extra pay to 13 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:24,380 enjoy your holidays. You get holiday pay on top of your pay? 14 00:02:24,380 --> 00:02:26,490 Yes. Is that required by law? 15 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:28,860 Yeah. How much holiday pay do you get? 16 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:34,760 You get one month's pay extra. You get one month's pay extra? So you get 17 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,710 4 weeks of vacation? At least. 18 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:38,010 And that's paid? Yeah. 19 00:02:38,010 --> 00:02:40,220 And then you get one extra month. Yeah. 20 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:42,180 So you're paid 13 months … Absolutely. 21 00:02:42,180 --> 00:02:44,540 And you work 11 months. Yeah. 22 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:49,074 And that's by law. Yeah. 23 00:02:54,490 --> 00:03:02,590 Dutch adults are ranked as the fifth happiest in the world, and according to the UN, Dutch children are the happiest kids in the world. 24 00:03:02,590 --> 00:03:07,730 I went to speak with Professor Margreet de Looze, who is one of the authors of the UN study. 25 00:03:08,449 --> 00:03:11,949 So what is the main problem kids have in the Netherlands? 26 00:03:15,490 --> 00:03:16,969 That's a good question. 27 00:03:16,969 --> 00:03:21,980 The UN had a study, and they said that kids in Holland are the happiest kids in the world. 28 00:03:21,980 --> 00:03:24,510 Have you heard about that? Yeah we have. 29 00:03:25,074 --> 00:03:30,019 Freedom and independence, fantastic communication with their parents. The dinner table, or the 30 00:03:30,019 --> 00:03:35,680 breakfast table even, is an important part of a Dutch family, so everyone will sit around together. 31 00:03:35,708 --> 00:03:39,657 The parents finish work on time to come home and eat with their kids. 32 00:03:40,740 --> 00:03:41,490 Do you have to go? 33 00:03:41,659 --> 00:03:42,782 I have to go soon. 34 00:03:43,324 --> 00:03:44,699 All right, so we'll wrap up. 35 00:03:45,049 --> 00:03:47,041 And then spend the time around the table talking 36 00:03:47,115 --> 00:03:51,574 to each other, and that good communication carries on into the difficult teenage years. 37 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:56,069 In the UNICEF survey, Dutch teenagers had the best relationships with their mothers 38 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:58,990 and fathers of all the other countries surveyed. 39 00:03:59,625 --> 00:04:02,407 All our children are biking because as a parent 40 00:04:02,629 --> 00:04:08,849 and your child is 4, 5, 6, you give him the “sturen en handle” the steering wheel 41 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:14,900 of the bike so you are quite autonomous that you can bike, and being autonomous makes you 42 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:20,700 more happy then when you are not allowed to make your own decisions. 43 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:24,030 There’s a socially supportive climate in school. 44 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:26,865 What do you want to do do, Amber? Do you know? Law School. 45 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:28,365 You want to go to law school. Yeah 46 00:04:28,448 --> 00:04:30,298 Oh really… high five! No. 47 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:31,240 Please. 48 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:35,400 And I think that's related to a larger cultural 49 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:41,550 characteristic of the Dutch society which is very low competitiveness, more emphasis 50 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:44,449 on cooperation, on inclusion. 51 00:04:44,753 --> 00:04:47,449 The Dutch in a way already acknowledge this 52 00:04:47,532 --> 00:04:52,115 understanding that their child will more likely not become the valedictorian. 53 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:55,240 In fact, they don't even have a valedictorian. They don’t have a valedictorian. 54 00:04:55,324 --> 00:04:58,615 They don’t even know what that is, actually. I didn’t know what it was. 55 00:04:58,699 --> 00:04:59,907 Really? Yeah. 56 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:05,810 I actually think that makes a dramatic difference in how children grow up of not being put on 57 00:05:05,810 --> 00:05:09,860 a pedestal or … …Not being made to compete with other children 58 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:16,060 but to be the best you can be yourself. So we might not have superstars, but one thing 59 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:20,440 that I misunderstood as an American because I hate the word average it's something that's 60 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,600 just ingrained in our society. Who wants to be average when we can be great? 61 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:30,449 But what the Dutch accomplished within the education system is to have a really high level average. 62 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:34,157 Much higher than what Americans would consider average. 63 00:05:34,282 --> 00:05:39,490 I'm going to email this to my sister immediately after this interview because she was valedictorian. 64 00:05:39,616 --> 00:05:40,365 Oh dear. 65 00:05:53,032 --> 00:05:56,030 Surprisingly. While Dutch kids are very happy, 66 00:05:56,030 --> 00:06:01,830 some moms I spoke with are unhappy about Dutch maternity leave policies that give women 16 67 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:05,074 weeks of paid leave while men get only two days. 68 00:06:05,782 --> 00:06:08,950 There used to be a woman's party. Is there still a woman's party? 69 00:06:09,157 --> 00:06:10,449 In politics? Yeah. 70 00:06:10,907 --> 00:06:17,210 We do have an animal party. But we don’t have a specific women’s party. 71 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:21,990 But there are some parties, mostly left wing parties, for whom gender equality is an important issue 72 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:27,410 and who, for example, propose paternity leave. On some lists of gender equality the Netherlands 73 00:06:27,410 --> 00:06:34,020 score very high and on others they score very low. So if we look at the percentage of women 74 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:39,450 who are active in the labor force we score very high, but they don't work full time so 75 00:06:39,450 --> 00:06:40,990 they won't reach the top. 76 00:06:41,734 --> 00:06:45,032 Everything is equal until you get children 77 00:06:45,115 --> 00:06:50,470 and then suddenly you feel the difference between men and women. Should I not work? 78 00:06:50,470 --> 00:06:55,930 Should I not have had children. What's the decision? There's no decision there. I always 79 00:06:55,930 --> 00:07:01,850 thought of feminists like they are angry women. It was not appealing to me, but then I thought, 80 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:07,710 well if this is what I have to be, fuck I’m a feminist. So then I wrote the book about 81 00:07:07,710 --> 00:07:12,000 why we're working like we do and what we can do about it. 82 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,290 Did people get offended by that title? We say “fuck” a lot in Holland. 83 00:07:16,657 --> 00:07:17,865 We don't give a fuck. 84 00:07:17,969 --> 00:07:19,824 You fuck it up for your children. 85 00:07:19,974 --> 00:07:21,490 Really fucked up big-time. 86 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,032 What the fuck! 87 00:07:23,074 --> 00:07:26,157 Nobody has any fucking idea who the fuck anybody is anymore. 88 00:07:26,282 --> 00:07:27,407 Illegal as fuck. 89 00:07:27,532 --> 00:07:28,440 Um…. fuck off 90 00:07:28,699 --> 00:07:29,574 Fuck off! 91 00:07:29,782 --> 00:07:31,449 Eh…. fuck off. 92 00:07:31,907 --> 00:07:34,907 I’m telling you this is really fucked up shit. 93 00:07:46,782 --> 00:07:48,740 What was the word you used? Snoezel… 94 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Snoezelzorg. 95 00:07:49,949 --> 00:07:54,970 Snoezelzorg. It’s when you have a disability or when 96 00:07:54,970 --> 00:07:59,920 you are physically challenged you can also get sexual service, and in the Netherlands 97 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:05,420 we have a special term for that which is Snoezelzorg. And is that covered by the insurance here? 98 00:08:05,420 --> 00:08:06,574 For some people yes. 99 00:08:06,615 --> 00:08:08,282 It’s interesting that the government would 100 00:08:08,370 --> 00:08:12,170 pay for someone to go to a sexologist. Um. 101 00:08:12,228 --> 00:08:15,478 So how does it work. Do you go to your doctor and get a prescription? 102 00:08:15,949 --> 00:08:19,865 Yeah, although it has changed lately. You can now also decide yourself. You don’t 103 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:21,407 have to go to your doctor. 104 00:08:21,484 --> 00:08:25,532 My sex care practitioner work is for clients 105 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:30,010 who are mentally or physically disabled. Do you have sex with people? 106 00:08:30,115 --> 00:08:34,570 Yes I do. Only safe. Do you pay taxes on that? Of course. 107 00:08:34,657 --> 00:08:39,169 Why shouldn’t I? You seem like you're comfortable being out 108 00:08:39,169 --> 00:08:44,339 and open about this. I think it's important to break taboo. 109 00:08:44,339 --> 00:08:49,589 And why is that important? It’s important that this kind of sex care 110 00:08:49,589 --> 00:08:54,690 is going into Insurance. You live in a small town, right. Do your neighbors 111 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:56,871 know what you do for a living? Some do. 112 00:08:56,871 --> 00:09:01,899 Do you get any negativity towards you? No, I don’t. 113 00:09:02,115 --> 00:09:04,949 Can you teach a guy how to have multiple orgasms? 114 00:09:06,168 --> 00:09:08,365 That’s the standard question. 115 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:15,070 I mean these insurance companies they have a certain a discretionary, I mean certain 116 00:09:15,070 --> 00:09:19,621 services they can say we do this, or we don't do it, and if it they don't do it you can 117 00:09:19,621 --> 00:09:24,000 appeal and you can go to the court of law and you know you may get your point or not. 118 00:09:24,115 --> 00:09:29,782 Are there people freaking out about that here? No. But if everybody would do they probably would. 119 00:09:29,949 --> 00:09:35,074 So if like 6 million males would, you know … then there would be a problem I guess. 120 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:39,620 The Dutch national healthcare system has a high approval rating and is ranked as one 121 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:44,480 of the best in the world. In this country almost the entire provider 122 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:50,710 landscape in healthcare is private nonprofit. It’s a private scheme but with all kinds 123 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:57,030 of public regulations, risk-adjustment. Of course, more income dependent, but it's very 124 00:09:57,030 --> 00:10:02,270 much comparable to the Obamacare Affordable Care Act system actually. 125 00:10:02,907 --> 00:10:08,140 There is a certain kind of a basic package for everyone. It doesn't matter how rich you 126 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:12,730 are etcetera. And there is a certain amount of money you have to pay for that. For a normal 127 00:10:12,730 --> 00:10:16,700 citizen that's which you have to pay privately is about 100 euros a month. 128 00:10:17,157 --> 00:10:21,820 Do you have the same health insurance as a senator as say my cameraman Bas? 129 00:10:21,820 --> 00:10:25,865 Absolutely. Yeah. The same hospitals, same doctors. 130 00:10:26,830 --> 00:10:34,450 In 2006 it was determined by law that no family in the Netherlands could spend more than 5% 131 00:10:34,450 --> 00:10:38,210 of their income in healthcare. Do you have the health insurance CEOs making 132 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:43,700 millions like in the US. No, no, no, no. There is a law that states 133 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:48,830 that everybody who works with public money, and healthcare is considered to be public 134 00:10:48,830 --> 00:10:53,490 money, is not allowed to earn more than the prime minister. 135 00:10:56,570 --> 00:11:01,260 The Dutch national healthcare system provides a comprehensive policy which covers a very 136 00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:05,449 broad range of treatments that even includes gender reassignment. 137 00:11:09,282 --> 00:11:14,380 When you feel like you're transgender you go to the VU Medical Center Hospital here 138 00:11:14,380 --> 00:11:19,639 in the Netherlands. They have a gender team, the biggest gender team in the world I believe, 139 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:25,990 and then you have access to hormones if you desire, to surgeries if you desire that are 140 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:31,657 covered by your Healthcare which is amazing. And you don't have people protesting saying 141 00:11:31,790 --> 00:11:34,282 I don't want to pay for that? No. 142 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,260 Interestingly, the VU University Medical Center used to be a Christian Hospital it has a Christian 143 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:48,782 background and here was where it started in the 1970s. And it’s said it's out of a sort 144 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:57,115 of gratefulness, maybe even because it were Christian doctors working here that it could happen here. 145 00:11:57,574 --> 00:12:00,300 If you live in a space as we do where it’s 146 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:04,270 relatively safe of course there's also hate crimes here of course there's also violence 147 00:12:04,270 --> 00:12:09,074 here but the social space is safer for trans people. 148 00:12:09,150 --> 00:12:14,865 It's increasing every year like many countries and in some countries it's even increasing 149 00:12:14,970 --> 00:12:20,574 100% every year. So that's what we also see, very sharp increase in referrals. 150 00:12:20,650 --> 00:12:23,540 I really like your story about the humor. Yeah, it’s awful. 151 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:26,290 The people laughing at your jokes more now. Yeah. 152 00:12:26,290 --> 00:12:29,282 While they’re the same jokes. While they’re the same stupid jokes. 153 00:12:29,380 --> 00:12:33,574 How old do you have to be? So that's what the VU Medical Center is actually 154 00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:35,740 famous for is treating kids. 155 00:12:36,762 --> 00:12:39,490 We also see the young ones before puberty, 156 00:12:39,574 --> 00:12:45,407 but we only see them most of the time for it for just diagnostic and a short advice. 157 00:12:45,910 --> 00:12:52,390 And then they have this revolutionary treatment of hormone blockers, puberty blockers. 158 00:12:52,949 --> 00:12:57,170 I think here in the Netherlands we were the first that started providing blockers. 159 00:12:57,282 --> 00:13:01,790 It has come to be called The Dutch approach. What do the blockers do? 160 00:13:01,865 --> 00:13:08,310 So they block puberty development and once you stop the blockers puberty from the birth 161 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:14,320 assigned sex will start again. So it's a fully reversible treatment, but at the same time 162 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,782 you don't develop the sex characteristics of the gender you don't experience yourself in. 163 00:13:20,907 --> 00:13:22,839 Coverage of gender reassignment surgery is 164 00:13:22,839 --> 00:13:28,339 part of a larger acceptance for alternatives to traditional gender definitions in the Netherlands 165 00:13:28,339 --> 00:13:34,657 and Dutch courts have ruled that parents no longer have to specify a gender on their children's birth certificates. 166 00:13:34,740 --> 00:13:36,600 LGB population. 167 00:13:36,865 --> 00:13:38,907 LGBT you should say nowadays. 168 00:13:39,192 --> 00:13:40,407 LGBTQ. 169 00:13:40,567 --> 00:13:42,574 LGBTQ…I. 170 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,824 Intersex is being born with more or less. 171 00:13:51,074 --> 00:13:53,240 Ambiguous...Ambiguous... 172 00:13:53,949 --> 00:13:57,032 No. Because then it gets binary again. 173 00:13:57,536 --> 00:14:00,240 Why should we actually have genders? 174 00:14:00,370 --> 00:14:03,865 Maybe we should skip it all together and just talk about people. 175 00:14:15,824 --> 00:14:19,157 There are 4 basic models for healthcare around the world. 176 00:14:19,824 --> 00:14:22,651 Single-payer healthcare delivers 100% coverage 177 00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:28,324 by having the government provide and pay for healthcare through taxes, just like public education. 178 00:14:28,782 --> 00:14:33,590 The government pays doctors, hospitals, and drug costs, keeping expenses down. 179 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:38,074 It's used in countries like the UK, Spain, and throughout Scandinavia. 180 00:14:39,324 --> 00:14:44,180 Single-payer Insurance achieves 100% coverage by having the government run a single health 181 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:49,399 insurance program that everyone pays into. Since there is only one insurance company 182 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:52,865 they have low overhead and can negotiate better prices. 183 00:14:53,449 --> 00:14:57,282 It's used in countries like Canada, Taiwan, and South Korea. 184 00:14:59,407 --> 00:15:02,480 Social health insurance provides 100% coverage 185 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,240 using a private insurance system financed by employers, workers, and taxes. 186 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Though healthcare is private, the system is not for profit and tightly regulated which keeps costs down. 187 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,490 It's used in countries like Germany, Japan, and the Netherlands. 188 00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:20,824 (Beep) the poor healthcare. 189 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 In poor countries patients pay for whatever they can afford. 190 00:15:24,865 --> 00:15:28,990 The basic rule is that the rich get treatment while the poor get sick and die. 191 00:15:29,282 --> 00:15:33,199 It's how it is in most of Africa, India, China, and South America 192 00:15:34,318 --> 00:15:35,907 The maximum inefficiency model. 193 00:15:36,820 --> 00:15:39,940 The US is the only developed country that doesn't provide 194 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:45,290 universal healthcare. It's also the country that spends the most on healthcare by far. 195 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:50,750 Many workers get insurance through their jobs, the elderly use Medicare, veterans have the VA, 196 00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:56,120 and the destitute use Medicaid. Everyone else gets access to a doctor if they can raise 197 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,782 money on GoFundMe. 198 00:16:24,449 --> 00:16:27,324 Where did the Netherlands’ reputation for tolerance come from? 199 00:16:27,907 --> 00:16:34,770 It started already in the 17th century in. Holland has as it’s called its “Golden Age” where it started practically to rule 200 00:16:34,770 --> 00:16:39,180 the world as merchants. Not so much as an imperial power, but as merchants, because 201 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:43,540 it was a republic, cities were important and in the cities the merchants the big merchants 202 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:49,490 were the boss and merchants don't like conflicts because that's bad for business. 203 00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:54,210 To learn about the Netherlands’ Golden Age, I headed over to the country's national art 204 00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:59,470 museum, the Rijksmuseum. Well the Golden Age is say roughly from the 205 00:16:59,470 --> 00:17:07,407 late 1500s until the late 1600s. We generally refer to it as like the 17th Century, but 206 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:14,240 the real power was roughly between 1620 and 1670. Our saints are the painters of the Golden Age. 207 00:17:14,365 --> 00:17:18,709 Frans Hals and Jan Steen, Johannes Vermeer, the big guys from the 17th Century. But in 208 00:17:18,709 --> 00:17:23,289 the same belief system there's only one God and that is Rembrandt runs right up there 209 00:17:23,289 --> 00:17:27,679 in the place where in an actual church you would find the altar. That sacred space is 210 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:30,449 reserved for this museum for the Night Watch. 211 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:41,407 And this is a bust of a mayor called Andries de Graeff and the way he poses tells you everything about the obsession 212 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:48,450 we have in the Golden Age and that is the Roman Empire, the republic as a state form. Y’know they have the renaissance 213 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:53,429 body language, the renaissance elbow. This is power. If you’re with your hand like 214 00:17:53,429 --> 00:17:55,720 this it’s always power. I’m going to remember that. 215 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,059 Yeah, you have to do it. If you want to imitate Mussolini you need both hands for that. 216 00:18:00,059 --> 00:18:05,169 I don't know if I want to go that far. Well you have the same hairdo. 217 00:18:06,199 --> 00:18:09,590 But for some people the Golden Age wasn't so golden. 218 00:18:10,157 --> 00:18:15,020 The Dutch, they don't want to acknowledge that their Golden Age was financed a lot by 219 00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:18,740 slavery and that's why Surinamese people are here. 220 00:18:19,793 --> 00:18:21,615 A lot of the Dutch youth, 221 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:24,100 they don't even know why Surinamese people are here. 222 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:27,590 Did you guys learn about the history of the Dutch slave trade at school? 223 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:29,779 Yeah, we did. You did? 224 00:18:29,779 --> 00:18:36,340 Yeah, we did. We got all the history of the Netherlands from start to finish until now 225 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:42,570 but the slave trade is a really painful topic so you get it. This is how it was and 226 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:43,740 why we did it. Next topic. 227 00:18:44,365 --> 00:18:49,690 Are there any paintings that deal with the slave trade? No, we do have some artworks that deal with 228 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:54,960 slavery as such but we have to go down one floor for that. That's in the 19th century department, 229 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,490 the last century we still owned Suriname. 230 00:19:13,115 --> 00:19:15,949 So slavery is more here in this corner. 231 00:19:20,199 --> 00:19:25,199 So out of the whole museum this is all you have on slavery? 232 00:19:25,199 --> 00:19:28,730 Yes, it is quite small. Doesn’t that seem strange to you? 233 00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:34,320 Of course it’s so easy to use Rembrandt as a banner and show all the greatness and 234 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,669 the good things we have done. But the Dutch are more and more trying to get to terms with 235 00:19:38,669 --> 00:19:44,389 the dark side of their history very much spurred on by people who are really vocal about it. 236 00:19:44,389 --> 00:19:51,140 I learned about the Golden Age. I learned about how rich the Netherlands was, but I 237 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:56,519 never learned the downside of it. I never learned about how Amsterdam is also built 238 00:19:56,519 --> 00:20:01,039 with slave money, and that is something that's resurfacing. That's something that is being 239 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,199 taught. There is a lot of awareness being created. 240 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:09,539 To find out more about the black experience in Holland, I went to talk to an old friend, 241 00:20:09,539 --> 00:20:14,450 Guilly Koster. As usual, it was hard to get him to tell me what he really thought. 242 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:19,282 I have a vlog and this vlog is called “Fok Jou.” 243 00:20:21,159 --> 00:20:30,131 All of the black men I know, and they're not criminals, we are just being picked on. Even 244 00:20:30,131 --> 00:20:35,730 if you're the goalkeeper of the Dutch national team, the police will stop you and ask you 245 00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:38,157 why are you driving a Mercedes. 246 00:20:41,290 --> 00:20:43,809 One major flashpoint for racial tensions is 247 00:20:43,809 --> 00:20:48,960 the Dutch custom known as Zwarte Piet, or Black Pete, who is supposed to be Saint Nicholas’s 248 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,640 black sidekick. As part of Dutch Christmas celebrations many people dress up in blackface, 249 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,990 and black people aren't too happy about it, 250 00:20:57,074 --> 00:21:04,730 The words silly and unrealistic work were redefined when I learned that Saint Nicholas travels with what was consistently described 251 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:10,989 as 6 to 8 black men. I asked several Dutch people to narrow it down, but none of them 252 00:21:10,989 --> 00:21:15,809 could give me an exact number. It was always six to eight which seems strange seeing as 253 00:21:15,809 --> 00:21:21,870 they’ve had hundreds of years to get a decent count. The six to eight black men were characterized 254 00:21:21,870 --> 00:21:26,869 as personal slaves until the mid-50s when the political climate changed, and it was 255 00:21:26,869 --> 00:21:32,600 decided that instead of being slaves they were just good friends. I think history is 256 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:38,769 proven that something usually comes between slavery and friendship. A period of time marked 257 00:21:38,769 --> 00:21:45,009 not by cookies and quiet times beside the fire but by bloodshed and mutual hostility. 258 00:21:45,009 --> 00:21:50,620 You can have the biggest fight about Zwarte Piet here in The Netherlands. The biggest 259 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:56,074 fight. The biggest controversy about a … schlemiel. 260 00:21:56,490 --> 00:22:01,769 So it was like the 5th of December. You know the night where we're supposed to open up all the presents. Zwarte Piet is going to 261 00:22:01,769 --> 00:22:05,679 come and bring a stack of gifts, and we had a ring on the doorbell. My daughter whips open 262 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:11,129 the door, and there standing in the door is Stanley the Surinamese guy who delivers packages 263 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:16,409 on our block. My daughter she's like awwww, and I'm trying to get to the door before she 264 00:22:16,409 --> 00:22:22,440 gets there. I’m like nooooo. And my daughters like Zwarte Piet! And y’know, the American 265 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,609 in me was thinking like my god my daughter is a racist. 266 00:22:26,609 --> 00:22:33,859 My mom used to tell us this is a weird tradition. Don't, don't, don't, don't, you know take 267 00:22:33,859 --> 00:22:37,519 whatever you want to take the gifts and stuff, but this is really weird. You need to know 268 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,539 that this is not okay. So I was raised with that notion, and the uncles, the black men 269 00:22:41,539 --> 00:22:46,379 in the refugee camp, would be like ‘oh my god there we go again every year.' 270 00:22:46,379 --> 00:22:50,989 But public opinion on Black Pete is rapidly changing and the general consensus seems to 271 00:22:50,989 --> 00:22:53,365 be that it's time for him to evolve. 272 00:22:53,988 --> 00:22:55,949 It isn't hallelujah here in the Netherlands. 273 00:22:55,950 --> 00:23:00,610 There are some racial problems, but overall if you look at all the other countries it's 274 00:23:00,610 --> 00:23:04,730 best to be in in Holland in to be a Dutch woman. 275 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:07,119 I still think that The Netherlands is the best. 276 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,330 And why is that? I love this country. I'm happy with our healthcare 277 00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:17,289 system. I'm happy with the political system. I'm happy with our educational system. And 278 00:23:17,289 --> 00:23:22,990 I'm happy with the fact that there are possibilities to work on all these levels. 279 00:23:23,157 --> 00:23:29,159 In my opinion there's two types of integration. You have the melting pot. You give up who you are and 280 00:23:29,159 --> 00:23:34,309 I give up who I am and we become something new, we melt together. This is what we have 281 00:23:34,309 --> 00:23:41,289 been trying, but it's not working. So I suggest we try the salad bowl model where the carrot 282 00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:45,639 is the carrot and the tomato the tomato the onion the onion, and we're still in this big 283 00:23:45,639 --> 00:23:52,019 bowl together and say ‘oh you're the onion. Fine I'm the tomato. Let's meet. Let's make 284 00:23:52,019 --> 00:23:57,809 the salad. You know let's live together.' Rather than becoming I want to become a tomato. 285 00:23:57,809 --> 00:24:02,309 An onion is never going to become a tomato. I'm okay with this as long as we can get rid 286 00:24:02,309 --> 00:24:06,990 of the capers. The capers yeah. Motherfuckers need to get out. 287 00:24:18,919 --> 00:24:23,379 One of the things Holland is well known for is its legalized prostitution with a visit 288 00:24:23,379 --> 00:24:28,970 to the red light district a common tourist attraction. But like many old Dutch institutions 289 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:31,365 prostitution also has been changing. 290 00:24:32,265 --> 00:24:34,490 Prostitution is legal, but only in a very 291 00:24:34,499 --> 00:24:41,509 small frame. We have a system where city councils are allowed to create their own rules within 292 00:24:41,509 --> 00:24:45,409 a certain frame and that makes it for a lot of sex workers impossible to be an independent 293 00:24:45,409 --> 00:24:49,200 sex worker in the city they live in. Here in Amsterdam you can only work behind the 294 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,539 window as an independent sex worker, and you can work from a brothel, but then you need 295 00:24:53,539 --> 00:24:58,019 to work under the license of the brothel owner. But if you want to be like an independent 296 00:24:58,019 --> 00:25:02,729 sex worker working from your own home or in your own home that's something that's not 297 00:25:02,729 --> 00:25:08,240 allowed. There are 292 windows left and we're coming from around 400. 298 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,669 And what's behind the move to reduce the number of windows? 299 00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:17,230 We say gentrification. The city council says human trafficking, but there wasn’t really 300 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:23,179 a legal base to do that so a lot of brothel owners were just bought out with tax money. 301 00:25:23,179 --> 00:25:27,609 Are people okay with that? Yeah, because if you frame it as fighting 302 00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:32,859 human trafficking, people are easy to stand with that claim, but a lot of sex workers 303 00:25:32,859 --> 00:25:39,909 lost their window and to us it's very problematic. In 2000 we had the ban on brothels lifted 304 00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:46,269 and we saw that there were around 1,300 licensed places and now we are around 700. 305 00:25:46,269 --> 00:25:53,139 So instead of having more safe, legal places to work we are having less of those spaces 306 00:25:53,139 --> 00:25:57,809 and we are not allowed to create our own work and create our own businesses on our own terms. 307 00:25:57,809 --> 00:26:01,240 So that's problematic, and we try to get rid of that law. 308 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,000 Interestingly, Yvette’s organization is partially funded by the government. 309 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,580 We’ve got a big project fund from our ministry of safety and justice. 310 00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:11,429 And they give you money? Yes. 311 00:26:11,429 --> 00:26:16,559 Well that's kind of cool. That is kind of cool and it’s also, it’s 312 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:23,240 very important if you want to have a healthy and meaningful policy on sex work you have to include sex workers. 313 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,365 Prostitution in the Netherlands is regulated. 314 00:26:26,529 --> 00:26:31,639 In most cities you will need a license to operate legally, and it means that we have 315 00:26:31,639 --> 00:26:36,100 to follow a very strict rules. There are a lot of measures that the Amsterdam city council 316 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:42,029 took to make sure that everybody that works in prostitution does so out of their own free will. 317 00:26:42,029 --> 00:26:47,169 And there's also a lot of responsibility for the people that for example have an escort 318 00:26:47,169 --> 00:26:50,509 agency or that own a club. How much does it cost? 319 00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:57,090 It start with 2 hours and for two hours a client pays 700 Euros and then it can go up 320 00:26:57,090 --> 00:27:01,190 to well like whatever. Do you take credit cards? 321 00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:03,782 We do, with a 10% service charge. 322 00:27:04,907 --> 00:27:13,615 Probably the biggest factor in the slow demise of Holland's red light district is the same thing that's disrupting every industry - the internet. 323 00:27:13,615 --> 00:27:16,389 When we first started, the internet was like 324 00:27:16,389 --> 00:27:20,989 a small thing so then you had the Yellow Pages. The Yellow Pages were really like the main 325 00:27:20,989 --> 00:27:24,509 communication means at that time and now of course it’s the internet. 326 00:27:25,157 --> 00:27:30,690 How do you get your clients? From an advertisement on Kinky.nl 327 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:34,940 Is that where most people advertise? Oh yeah it is a very busy there. 328 00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:40,330 And what is your ad say? 25 year old trans girl. Come visit me. I have 329 00:27:40,330 --> 00:27:43,940 some nice of pictures also. Something like that. 330 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:47,980 And how many emails do you get a day? I think 60 messages. 331 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:50,479 So you could be really busy if you wanted to. 332 00:27:50,479 --> 00:27:57,320 Yeah, but not everybody comes. And sometimes it is just for 'I want to have a nice a conversation.' 333 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,789 That doesn't bring me money. You don't charge for conversation? 334 00:28:01,789 --> 00:28:04,159 No. Why not? Maybe you should. 335 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:06,907 Well that's another thing. 336 00:28:08,824 --> 00:28:16,779 Simona, Janey’s partner is, believe it or not, a former Italian championship professional wrestler who moved to the Netherlands. 337 00:28:16,779 --> 00:28:23,899 When you have to get a window if you are in the day it’s 80, 110 Euros. If you are in 338 00:28:23,899 --> 00:28:30,360 the night 140, 150. That means that you need 3, 4 customers only for pay the cost. So working 339 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,365 at home is better. 340 00:28:32,538 --> 00:28:35,997 Is looking for a trans prostitute super popular? 341 00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:37,149 Yeah. It is. 342 00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:41,249 It is. And I think it will be more over time. 343 00:28:41,249 --> 00:28:49,059 Why do you think that's so popular? People are sick of a normal thing I think. 344 00:28:49,059 --> 00:28:53,869 They want something special, They want to see a nice a woman and then with something 345 00:28:53,869 --> 00:28:57,365 special and so in this case it is my dick. 346 00:28:57,865 --> 00:29:00,690 The trans have more clients than the women. 347 00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:06,960 When I was working in the windows, the girls had 1 and I had 4. 348 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:13,859 Do you feel free here in the Netherlands? Yeah. It is a good thing here. 349 00:29:13,859 --> 00:29:16,649 Have you experienced discrimination? Oh yeah. 350 00:29:16,649 --> 00:29:19,559 Like what? When I’m walking on the street and people 351 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:24,759 say ‘hey man’ or ‘faggot’ or that kind of shit. 352 00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:28,470 Do you find it very much by the neighborhood? Oh yeah. 353 00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:32,859 So what are the worst neighborhoods? Basically where the Muslims are. 354 00:29:32,859 --> 00:29:36,960 They’re the ones calling you names? Yeah they say everything to me. 355 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,700 Do you feel unsafe? For me, I don't feel unsafe there because 356 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:47,907 I just a walking there and then do my thing. But I can understand for many people they do. 357 00:29:48,157 --> 00:29:50,000 Are you mad at the Muslims? 358 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,779 It is not mad, but that they are different I think. They think like that okay. But the 359 00:29:55,779 --> 00:30:02,615 funny thing is the next day I have the same men that is a calling me and want to fuck. 360 00:30:02,615 --> 00:30:03,929 So you get Muslim men? 361 00:30:03,929 --> 00:30:10,669 Oh yeah. A lot of them. A lot of them. What percentage? Do you have any idea? 362 00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:13,907 I think 60%. 363 00:30:16,452 --> 00:30:18,907 What changes have you seen in the last 20 years? 364 00:30:19,282 --> 00:30:22,599 It’s much more conservative and also what’s 365 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:28,389 really a very big difference is that now a lot of the times when people talk about prostitution, 366 00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:34,450 they talk about human trafficking like it's the same. But the service itself not that 367 00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:41,840 much changed actually. You know sex is sex and sex was sex 20 years ago so not much difference 368 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,129 in that. I still think it's an amazing business and I really enjoy it … wonderful with the 369 00:30:47,129 --> 00:30:52,029 girls. We've got great clients. We’ve got great staff. So even things might be getting 370 00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:57,629 a bit more difficult but it's still I mean there's so much more pros than there are cons. 371 00:30:57,629 --> 00:31:01,399 It's part of my identity. It's part of my career identity. It’s part of my sex positive 372 00:31:01,399 --> 00:31:07,019 identity. I’m a feminist. I feel much more liberated often when I do sex work then when 373 00:31:07,019 --> 00:31:08,782 I do something else. 374 00:31:09,682 --> 00:31:10,682 I love my job. 375 00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:14,619 What do you say to people who say you can't be happy doing a job like that? 376 00:31:14,619 --> 00:31:22,450 When people say me that I always say to them I am like a psychologist. You go to them. 377 00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:29,979 You put out all your bad feelings, bad things and the psychologist make you happy. I take 378 00:31:29,979 --> 00:31:33,190 other things from you, but in the end I make you happy. 379 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:39,509 Yeah for me it is just a normal job, I mean I sell my body and for example you are 380 00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:44,940 selling a cars or I don't know. Well movies hopefully. 381 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:48,032 Or movies … I don't know. 382 00:32:01,699 --> 00:32:09,220 Polderen they call it. You know … to look at it from all sides and then to look at the best possible solution. 383 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:13,590 Polders are pieces of land in between dykes that have been reclaimed from the sea. 384 00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:18,429 For the Dutch they've come to represent a way of working together to ensure common interests. 385 00:32:19,115 --> 00:32:24,139 The Dutch society was built up according to pillars. Like you had the Catholics, you had 386 00:32:24,139 --> 00:32:28,400 the Protestants, you had the socialist and then you had the liberals. But they all have 387 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:35,490 to kind of work together so there’s this consensus mentality where everybody gets a little bit. 388 00:32:35,949 --> 00:32:39,690 The landscape requires a good deal of common 389 00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:44,599 cause and so then you do have to overcome your religious differences or you do have 390 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:49,600 to overcome your class differences in order to work together. So the Dutch, despite the 391 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,909 fact, or maybe precisely because of the fact that they were a kaleidoscope different convictions 392 00:32:53,909 --> 00:33:00,782 had to find ways to work together nevertheless and defend themselves against common enemies including the water. 393 00:33:02,074 --> 00:33:03,690 But not everyone likes the polder model. 394 00:33:04,365 --> 00:33:07,779 The polder model sucks and we have to get rid of that. 395 00:33:07,779 --> 00:33:13,090 Marianne Thieme is the chairperson of the Party for the Animals, the world's first political 396 00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:17,032 party that represents the rights of animals other than humans. 397 00:33:30,369 --> 00:33:36,269 Traditional politicians do not have the answers for the current problems. I call them fossil 398 00:33:36,269 --> 00:33:43,960 politicians. The politicians are dictated by the GDP. We want to get rid of this index. 399 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,529 The index should be safety, health, the index of happiness, the index of sustainability. 400 00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:56,260 And that will change our way of thinking. We've got two seats in the senate and 5 in 401 00:33:56,260 --> 00:34:03,449 the lower house and then 45 in regional parliaments, city councils. So yeah, we are growing. 402 00:34:03,865 --> 00:34:11,290 By focusing on animal rights and by focusing on our food one touches a lot of other big 403 00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:17,109 problems in the world. The fact that the factory farming industry is one of the major contributors 404 00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:23,000 to greenhouse gas emissions, to biodiversity loss, to a manure problem that's got out of 405 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,810 hand. If you try to save an animal life at the same time you try to save a human life. 406 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:31,990 In fact you try to save the planet. 407 00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:34,649 In the US party animal means something totally different. 408 00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:39,115 I know, but we like to party as well, so it’s no problem. 409 00:34:39,574 --> 00:34:41,879 Thanks in part to the Party for the Animals, 410 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:46,649 the Dutch have some of the strongest animal rights legislation in the world. They've also 411 00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:53,240 received a lot of attention because they no longer have any stray dogs and every shelter is no kill. 412 00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:58,460 In Holland, municipalities became responsible for animals 413 00:34:58,460 --> 00:35:05,490 on the street. So it means when someone sees a cat or a dog without an owner, the municipality 414 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:09,657 has to take care of it and so they are paying the shelters. 415 00:35:11,449 --> 00:35:13,650 Do they have an animal party in the us? 416 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:17,130 I don't know. I don’t think so. I don’t think so. 417 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:19,907 We barely have a party for humans in the US. 418 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:27,140 Farm animals have a significant effect on climate change, especially for the Dutch, 419 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:33,907 because the Netherlands is the world's second largest exporter of agricultural products after the United States. 420 00:35:34,865 --> 00:35:36,260 I just came back from the amazon and there's 421 00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:42,329 a lot of soy being exported. Most of the soy goes to china to feed the 700 million pigs 422 00:35:42,329 --> 00:35:47,240 in china. But the second destination for soy from the amazon is The Netherlands because 423 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:53,980 there’s about a hundred million animals kept here. The Netherlands imports soy from brazil 424 00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:58,615 that grows in brazil on an area size of half of the Netherlands. 425 00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:02,699 Beef is the main cause of global deforestation in the world. 426 00:36:03,408 --> 00:36:05,740 20 years ago I think people quite rightly 427 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:09,391 saw The Netherlands as one of the advanced countries on environmental issues. I have 428 00:36:09,391 --> 00:36:13,840 to say I think we lost that position. There is there is no … at least if you look at 429 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,589 it from government policies or ambitions and all that. In any research that is conducted 430 00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:23,250 by the European union on the state of environment we are always at the bottom. 431 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:27,059 What happened to Dutch environmental policies in the last 20 years? 432 00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:31,831 I think are two important factors. And one is sort of what you saw a globally especially 433 00:36:31,831 --> 00:36:36,260 after 9/11 also in the Netherlands there was a rise of populism. And there was sort of 434 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:43,210 the swing to the right. And I think the other thing is what people underestimate is the 435 00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:48,880 Netherlands is a truly deeply fossil fuel-based country. Shell is Dutch company. We have the 436 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,651 largest petrochemical ports in Europe. We have the largest gas reserve in Europe. We 437 00:36:53,651 --> 00:36:57,074 have one of the biggest transport industries. 438 00:36:57,299 --> 00:37:01,240 I'm a friend of the then CEO of Shell, Jeroen van der Veer, 439 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:07,630 and he and I talked a lot in the 90s and early 2000s when he became CEO 440 00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:13,339 and he really set up a whole division for sustainability within Shell. And it was only 441 00:37:13,339 --> 00:37:18,839 that the shareholders said no no this is too costly. A significant part of our climate 442 00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:25,579 agenda moved into a adaptation, and over the last 10 years billions are now being invested 443 00:37:25,579 --> 00:37:30,450 in protecting our country against sea level rise. I'm a coastal engineer. I say, OK, maybe 444 00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:35,579 we can manage one meter, maybe we can manage 2 meters. But whether we could manage 4 meters 445 00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:41,070 or 6 meters, this even looks to me beyond control. I'm optimistic, but on sea level 446 00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,824 rise there is no reason to be optimistic. 447 00:37:45,537 --> 00:37:47,819 But the environmental news isn't all bad. 448 00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:53,180 The climate change commitments of Dutch banks are good compared to many of their peers. 449 00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:57,630 So we are happy, for example, that ING, by far the largest Dutch bank, has committed 450 00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:59,907 to not finance the coal sector any longer. 451 00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:03,240 We have together with Norway the biggest number 452 00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:08,849 of electric cars. We have the biggest number of charging stations. We have the highest 453 00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:13,049 rate of recycling of all kinds of materials be it paper, glass, and plastic. 454 00:38:13,049 --> 00:38:17,210 I don’t know if you saw the movie that was put out, that the Dutch railways put out. 455 00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:23,220 You should look for it. You see the CEO of the Dutch railway companies tied to one of 456 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:28,615 the old traditional windmills and he's saying look we’re 100% wind power let's go. 457 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,450 One of the more interesting developments in Dutch environmental policy comes from the 458 00:38:56,450 --> 00:39:01,090 trailblazing Urgenda case where a group of environmentalists took the Dutch government 459 00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:05,460 to court for failing to meet its climate change obligations. 460 00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:10,289 In the last 20 years we have had many right-wing governments that thought that the market should 461 00:39:10,289 --> 00:39:15,119 do the work and the market doesn't do this work. And then it was a member of our think 462 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,880 tank, Roger Cox, wrote a book that's called Revolution Justified, and in this book he 463 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,309 makes the analysis that it’s needed to prevent climate change much quicker than we do right 464 00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:31,150 now and that the only democratic way that he could see that could still function was 465 00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:36,270 to go to court. And actually nobody in the Netherlands and abroad expected that we would 466 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:41,780 win. But we won and then within half an hour it was all over the world that the judge has 467 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:45,970 said that the that the Dutch government should do 25% less CO2. 468 00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:50,299 Urgenda’s victory is the first time that a judge has legally required a government 469 00:39:50,299 --> 00:39:55,380 to act on climate change. It's transformed the debate in Holland and inspired similar 470 00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:59,540 cases in many other countries including the United States. 471 00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:04,299 There is an enormous urgency to stay below 1.5 degree, and then we should really be on 472 00:40:04,299 --> 00:40:10,700 zero fossil fuels in 2030. Is it easy? No of course not. It’s an enormous task and 473 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:15,180 it will demand a lot from everybody. But it’s still possible and in 15 years’ time it’s 474 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:17,657 not possible anymore. Then we are too late. 475 00:40:18,522 --> 00:40:22,032 I made an agreement with my wife to protect 476 00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:30,170 my relation. And I promised her I will stop drinking in 2030, I will stop smoking in 2040, 477 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:38,590 and I will quit with my girlfriend in 2050. This relation is the relation between the 478 00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:42,849 humanity and planet earth which is fixed in Paris. 479 00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:49,199 Maybe if you give up your girlfriend first you can save your marriage and then give up drinking and smoking later. 480 00:40:49,907 --> 00:40:52,700 Holland 100 years ago we were heating our 481 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:57,559 houses with coal. Then we found the gas, and then the government said hey that's a good 482 00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:03,170 idea. Do you have any idea how many years does it need to put every house in Holland 483 00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:07,319 from coal to gas? It was ten years. So it's possible. 484 00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:13,660 If you think about projects before like Project Manhattan or Project Apollo, when those started 485 00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:19,240 the technology nor the funds were available to do what they had set out to do. And I think 486 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:24,690 with this project we have the technology we have sufficient means financially to actually 487 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:28,830 fix this planet … to take the plastic out of the ocean, to put the fish back, to heal 488 00:41:28,830 --> 00:41:32,930 the soil of this planet, and to take out of the air what doesn't belong there. It's completely 489 00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:36,865 doable from a technological and financial point of view. We just need to do it. 490 00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:27,800 One feet before the entrance of the coffee shop if your frisked, your fucked. One foot 491 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:34,480 inside the coffeeshop, you’re okay. It works, and it’s been working now since 1976. 492 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,970 The Dutch marijuana policy is known as gedogen, which can be roughly translated as tolerating 493 00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:44,119 something you don't like. There are hundreds of licensed coffee shops where marijuana is 494 00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,740 sold, but technically marijuana is still illegal. 495 00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:50,074 We do get regular checkups. They can walk 496 00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:55,430 in here and they will search the premises, they will frisk us, but only after we've given 497 00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:58,560 written permission. And what if you don't sign that paper? 498 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:05,470 They get upset. But one has to consider that the product itself is still illegal. 499 00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:10,250 Anyone who is handling the product outside of the coffee shops is liable to be arrested 500 00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:13,170 and thrown in jail. Does that really happen? 501 00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:19,549 I don't want to say it, but we probably have the most laid-back and laziest police force 502 00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:20,865 in the western world. 503 00:43:21,086 --> 00:43:23,199 The first year we grew a couple of kilos and 504 00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:29,200 the second year we had a thousand female plants there. And then we were busted by one policeman 505 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,480 who came up on his bicycle and he said ‘well guys I don't know what you're doing out here.’ 506 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,349 And we were saying ‘oh, we are enjoying the outside life and we like to grow vegetables.’ 507 00:43:38,349 --> 00:43:42,440 He said ‘don’t give me that bullshit. I don't know what you're doing here and I 508 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,849 don't want to know it either.’ And we were like ‘oh okay.’ And then he said ‘bye-bye.’ 509 00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:50,630 And the whole thing took maybe 15 minutes, and we were busted. 510 00:43:51,282 --> 00:43:57,119 Wernard Bruinig is a legendary figure in Dutch marijuana circles because in the 1970s he 511 00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,990 opened the very first coffee shop called Mellow Yellow. 512 00:44:00,330 --> 00:44:03,157 The problem with cannabis are the people who don't use it. 513 00:44:05,449 --> 00:44:07,115 Maybe I should smoke pot again. 514 00:44:07,875 --> 00:44:11,324 I quit school and I joined a group of hippie friends. 515 00:44:11,449 --> 00:44:15,319 The smoking was free as long as you could sell it to your friends. We gave them 516 00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:20,410 tea each time they came to visit us. And the standard joke was y’know we should maybe 517 00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:26,339 charge money for the tea so that we don't need to work for money. That was the basic 518 00:44:26,339 --> 00:44:32,630 idea behind starting a coffee shop. So in 1973 we started the coffee shop and one 519 00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:38,789 of us would sit in front of the bar pretending he was just a visitor. And this person had 520 00:44:38,789 --> 00:44:44,650 a big bag in which he held several kinds of hash and grass. The law didn't provide 521 00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:49,869 the possibilities to close down a shop just because there was a customer inside who had 522 00:44:49,869 --> 00:44:55,809 a lot of hash or grass with him. This coffeeshop was a huge success and we were also an example 523 00:44:55,809 --> 00:45:00,500 to a lot of other people who saw our success and thought we can do it also and we can 524 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:05,030 do it better. And we called ourselves the green team. And the idea of the green team 525 00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:09,907 was to turn Holland into the Jamaica of Europe. And that's what happened. 526 00:45:10,074 --> 00:45:15,615 Surprisingly there are a lot less Dutch marijuana smokers then in California. 527 00:45:17,532 --> 00:45:22,282 That's certainly something to be proud of as a Californian. From Berkeley. 528 00:45:30,174 --> 00:45:32,115 Wow … Man … 529 00:45:33,074 --> 00:45:38,349 Paradise… 6 AM in the AMS. It doesn’t stop. 530 00:45:38,349 --> 00:45:44,089 It doesn’t stop. Everywhere hectares and hectares of our greenhouse genetics. Look here. 531 00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:46,740 What a place. So much pot. 532 00:45:46,865 --> 00:45:51,449 This was the Strain Hunters world book of guiness records for marijuana, that’s for sure. 533 00:45:52,449 --> 00:45:54,782 See you on the next i-report for Strain Hunters. Bye bye. 534 00:46:00,269 --> 00:46:04,640 Coffeeshops are technically illegal. We always have been prosecuted when they catch us with 535 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,430 more than 500 grams. They can take away your license. They can cause all kinds of other 536 00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:15,029 problems. In the last 3 years, the last 20, 30 cases, the judge threw out the DA and said 537 00:46:15,029 --> 00:46:20,369 ‘ok he’s guilty but I give 0 days prison.’ So now it’s a big riot. Even the justice 538 00:46:20,369 --> 00:46:24,440 minister is saying the judges are not allowed to do this, because they're sitting on the 539 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,789 chair of the legislator. But the judges said ‘listen you had 30 years to solve this problem. 540 00:46:28,789 --> 00:46:32,900 They're paying tax. We think they’re legal. We think they’re contributing to society. 541 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,550 You go organize it. We are not prosecuting anymore.’ 542 00:46:35,550 --> 00:46:38,900 Do you love what you do? Yeah, I think I have the greatest job on earth. 543 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:44,721 It’s so nice because it's very diverse. You know I make movies, I make seeds, I travel 544 00:46:44,721 --> 00:46:50,240 a lot, I meet a lot of very interesting characters, and I can be high at the same time. 545 00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:54,900 You can't sell mushrooms? No. Not anymore. 546 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:56,880 You sell truffles. Yeah. 547 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,500 What's the difference between a mushroom and a truffle? 548 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:04,470 It's the same organism only mushrooms are the part the blooms above the ground, truffles 549 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:09,550 are the part that grows in the ground. But they did ban the mushrooms in 2008, so we 550 00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:14,699 only have now the truffles left. But it is the same organism. It’s also the same active ingredient. 551 00:47:15,074 --> 00:47:16,339 So those are fresh? 552 00:47:16,339 --> 00:47:18,369 Yeah. They're not dried? 553 00:47:18,369 --> 00:47:23,089 No because that's illegal. We cannot process the product and drying is processing the product 554 00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:27,079 and by law that’s illegal. I don't see how drying is processing. 555 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,019 We either but … That's the law … 556 00:47:29,019 --> 00:47:31,030 That's the law we have to follow. How did they come up with that? 557 00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:32,865 I have no idea. 558 00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:36,157 Are there problems with psychedelic mushrooms here? 559 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:37,824 There are with tourists. 560 00:47:37,949 --> 00:47:42,599 With tourists. Generally we see people getting into trouble 561 00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:47,279 with especially mushrooms - magic mushrooms as they’re called - in Amsterdam and it 562 00:47:47,279 --> 00:47:52,190 causes the first aid a lot of trouble. But that's generally because they don't realize what 563 00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:57,640 sort of potency they have. If you look at what's typical about the way Dutch people 564 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:03,279 who take drugs look at drug use they're quite responsible in how they deal with this. So 565 00:48:03,279 --> 00:48:09,220 they are aware of these risks and they try to sort of use in a rather responsible way. 566 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:15,009 We know that we should always tell them there is no safe way of using drugs so be aware 567 00:48:15,009 --> 00:48:19,970 and you are taking risks, but if you are doing so, do it as responsible as you can. And we 568 00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:23,199 sort of enable them to use as responsible as possible. 569 00:48:23,449 --> 00:48:27,660 3 days a week you can come here and test your ecstasy and other drugs. And we test them 570 00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:33,260 on the quality, so what's in it and how strong is it. We have 32 testing facilities in the 571 00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:37,110 Netherlands which are all connected. So as soon as we pick out a tablet that has something 572 00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:41,400 in it that shouldn't be in there then we started warning system. So there's warnings going 573 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,540 out on television, on the national news, and through the internet, all the social media 574 00:48:46,540 --> 00:48:51,269 systems. But also we hang up posters in all the clubs and parties so people know for example 575 00:48:51,269 --> 00:48:52,782 you can't use this pill. 576 00:48:53,606 --> 00:48:55,865 So the government is paying ... Yeah. 577 00:48:55,865 --> 00:48:58,532 to test people's ecstasy tablets? Yeah. 578 00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:03,289 What do you say to someone who says that that's encouraging drug use. 579 00:49:03,289 --> 00:49:07,970 No, I don’t think that’s encouraging drug use. We did research because of this and what 580 00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:13,119 a lot of those people said is that it actually pointed out that ecstasy use was kind of risky 581 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,789 because else why would you have to test an ecstasy pill. Our ecstasy use in the Netherlands 582 00:49:17,789 --> 00:49:22,410 is quite as high as a lot people have experience with ecstasy. But then ecstasy is not a substance 583 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:27,670 which people get addicted to. But if you look for example at heroin use and heroin addiction 584 00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:32,230 or opiate addiction that's very low in the Netherlands. The good thing is about Dutch 585 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:37,900 drug policy is that health goes first. Of course certain drugs in the Netherlands are 586 00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:41,589 illegal, which means that you're not allowed to sell them in and you're not allowed to 587 00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:45,549 have them on you, but as soon as you take them it's not legal anymore. You can't be 588 00:49:45,549 --> 00:49:51,130 punished for that. We have the focus that we don't want to marginalize the user. If someone 589 00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:56,260 has a problem with drugs you just want to help them and not get them a rap sheet so 590 00:49:56,260 --> 00:50:00,240 that it's going to be more difficult to get a job and they get into this negative spiral 591 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:04,380 in which their addiction will start all kinds of other problems. And the Dutch government 592 00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,782 has decided to stop that and to look at a different way. 593 00:50:36,059 --> 00:50:40,859 So your show is funded by the government? Yeah. 594 00:50:40,859 --> 00:50:45,420 Do you get into trouble for that? 595 00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:48,324 No, because it's for educational matters. Yeah. 596 00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:17,490 I never had an orgasm before that episode, and I discovered my orgasm. So yeah that was 597 00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:21,540 that was a pretty personal episode. And I got a lot of response about that. 598 00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:28,230 It was my first time, and I want to discover my inner whore I said. I want to discover 599 00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:30,074 my inner whore. 600 00:51:30,243 --> 00:51:33,157 Young people will experiment with sex and 601 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:41,150 with drugs. Let’s not to put it in the taboo atmosphere, but let's educate them and get 602 00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:47,869 it into the light so that people talk about it instead of doing it secretly, dangerously, 603 00:51:47,869 --> 00:51:52,589 illegally. So I think that's a very noble thing to do. 604 00:51:52,589 --> 00:51:57,039 Like next week we’re making an item about ecstasy, and we're going to use it on television 605 00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:02,260 and we're going to show our young watchers how to take it properly. 606 00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:11,420 Some of our episodes are really in your face. So for example we have had some beautiful 607 00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:14,865 stories about … let's say ... anal sex. 608 00:52:14,865 --> 00:52:17,115 You’re discovering the world of the anus. 609 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,579 Yeah. Anal stretching … fisting. And what are the topics you are … 610 00:52:23,579 --> 00:52:26,030 You’re discovering the world of the anus. Yeah. 611 00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:32,720 Does that mean that you meet a lot of assholes? Uh … well, not yet, but I'm speaking with 612 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:40,049 people now who are anus stretching, and I really want to follow someone who wants to 613 00:52:40,049 --> 00:52:43,699 be fisted. Like fisting. 614 00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:50,615 Do you get any pressure from the government what to make, what not to make, what they'd like to see, 615 00:52:50,615 --> 00:52:54,690 what they'd like you to stop showing? No. No. 616 00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:56,210 Zero. Zero. 617 00:52:56,210 --> 00:53:01,615 Spuiten & Slikken is so popular that it's spawned a spinoff program called Drugslab. 618 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:15,190 It's an educational show in which three hosts are taking the drugs that the audience wants 619 00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:19,000 them to try so the audience don't have to do it themselves. 620 00:53:19,449 --> 00:53:21,240 That’s the slogan. Yeah, that’s the slogan. 621 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,349 We use drugs so you don’t have to. Do you wear a lab coat lab coat? 622 00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:29,824 A lab coat? No, we don’t. We’re not professors. We thought about it, but no. 623 00:53:30,032 --> 00:53:31,290 Did you guys bring some drugs? 624 00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:33,839 No, we did not. No, we didn’t. 625 00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:39,019 So this is the Dutch government paying to show kids doing drugs on television? 626 00:53:39,019 --> 00:53:40,074 Exactly. 627 00:53:40,074 --> 00:53:42,949 What are some of the drugs you've taken on Drugslab? 628 00:53:43,157 --> 00:53:46,449 Oh … a lot ... Yeah. 629 00:53:49,074 --> 00:53:50,824 Do you want me to make a list? Sure. 630 00:53:50,824 --> 00:54:01,615 Okay. MDMA, ecstasy, cocaine, DMT, GHB, Salvia Divinorum, 2CB psychedelic. 631 00:54:01,824 --> 00:54:03,880 Aren’t those are illegal? Yeah. 632 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,260 They are. Yeah. 633 00:54:05,260 --> 00:54:08,990 So you’re doing something illegal on television. Yeah. 634 00:54:10,074 --> 00:54:14,532 And you don't get into trouble for that? Um … No. 635 00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:17,074 Aren't you running out of drugs to do? 636 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,782 I don't think so, because there are a lot of drugs. 637 00:54:24,782 --> 00:54:29,690 Openness about sex and sex education is a hallmark of Dutch culture. Goedele Liekens 638 00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:34,970 is a sexologist and UN goodwill ambassador for reproductive health who has a show on 639 00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:37,074 Dutch TV called Goedele on top. 640 00:54:46,803 --> 00:54:49,032 I'm a goodwill ambassador for the United Nations 641 00:54:49,049 --> 00:54:55,869 for UNFPA, so I travel a lot of around to world talking about sexuality, sexual health, 642 00:54:55,869 --> 00:55:01,500 reproductive health, women's empowerment, and I must say the Dutch really have a 643 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,240 very good way of giving sex education. 644 00:55:05,887 --> 00:55:08,949 What age does sex education start in the Netherlands? 645 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:12,407 Whenever you want to talk about it. 646 00:55:12,846 --> 00:55:15,407 When I'm having my little Dutch kids 647 00:55:16,151 --> 00:55:20,980 and we visit the US and they say ‘grandma, grandma read us a story’ and it’s “Sammy the 648 00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:27,657 Supersperm.” Grandma’s like ‘oh well, I don't know if that's appropriate.’ 649 00:55:27,782 --> 00:55:33,529 My son’s in the second year of high school now. And he’s just had about 6 months of 650 00:55:33,529 --> 00:55:36,950 sex ed. Like biology has been sex for like months on end. 651 00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:42,279 At the age of 15, 16 when adolescents have a boyfriend, or girlfriend and it seems to 652 00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:49,319 be a bit stable, Dutch parents are much more likely to allow a sleepover. We want our children 653 00:55:49,319 --> 00:55:54,059 to be safe, but the Dutch parent would say ‘I know children can’t be controlled. 654 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:59,910 I know they'll become sexually active no matter what I do so I don't want it to happen in 655 00:55:59,910 --> 00:56:05,907 the bushes at night, somewhere at a dangerous place, but if it happens I want it to happen in my house. 656 00:56:06,449 --> 00:56:08,829 The Dutch tend to lose their virginity later than 657 00:56:08,829 --> 00:56:12,549 other countries where they try and stop them from losing it. They’re much better at using 658 00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:19,199 contraception and that's far lower teenage pregnancy here as a result so if it's proven to work. 659 00:56:19,449 --> 00:56:22,140 The contraceptive use of Dutch women is extremely 660 00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:25,779 high. Sterilization is also high. Both male and female. 661 00:56:25,779 --> 00:56:29,069 More male. So that’s what the Dutch guys do well. 662 00:56:29,069 --> 00:56:33,869 The number of abortions in Dutch women is very low. If you need it, you can have it. 663 00:56:33,869 --> 00:56:37,790 It’s paid for by the insurance system. The whole thing is that you tried to prevent it 664 00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:43,049 by a good contraceptive practice. The number of unwanted pregnancy and teenage pregnancies 665 00:56:43,049 --> 00:56:44,449 is extremely low. 666 00:56:44,888 --> 00:56:48,365 The more sex education they get, the later young people 667 00:56:48,365 --> 00:56:52,859 will start to have sex, the less amount of partners they will have, and the less amount 668 00:56:52,859 --> 00:56:59,490 of risk for STDs and unwanted pregnancies. And a very important one, the less high is 669 00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:05,759 the risk for sexual harassment to be to become someone who does it, or to become a victim 670 00:57:05,759 --> 00:57:08,240 so how many more reasons do we need? 671 00:57:09,822 --> 00:57:12,240 According to Reporters Without Borders the 672 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,799 Netherlands is one of the highest ranked countries in terms of free speech and freedom of the 673 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:21,690 press. One of the organizations working to keep it that way is the Pirate Party 674 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:26,880 Do you feel like you're free here in the Netherlands? We are quite free, especially if you compare 675 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,079 it to other countries. What's your vision of an ideal society? 676 00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:35,470 People's rights should be protected, and they should have the freedom to organize themselves. 677 00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:38,779 Which country in the world comes closest to that? 678 00:57:38,779 --> 00:57:43,099 I think we come pretty close actually. The nice thing I think about the Netherlands that 679 00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:47,769 we have less and less people in prison. We don't have private prisons. We have more and 680 00:57:47,769 --> 00:57:53,574 more empty prisons, and now they're being used as universities or to house refugees. 681 00:57:54,074 --> 00:57:58,720 We also see it with the Pirate Party as a test that we have to empower people to 682 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,880 not be tracked by large companies or governments. So we also organize crypto parties in which 683 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,460 we help people install applications which are better. There are many lists of open source 684 00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:16,430 alternatives with which you do not get tracked. Do you guys do ecstasy at the crypto parties? 685 00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:20,190 Not a crypto parties. At the crypto after party? 686 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:21,824 Some people do maybe. 687 00:58:31,231 --> 00:58:33,699 So when you go on a date do you go Dutch? 688 00:58:35,074 --> 00:58:39,782 Well I thought about that but yeah … No. No. 689 00:58:40,282 --> 00:58:46,890 I ended up being called this honorary title called “allochtoon” which is a wonderful 690 00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:53,480 term that you earn if you live here long enough. Allochtoon … it's a word that Dutch people 691 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,630 made up so that if you don't say it right they know you're not from around here. 692 00:58:59,630 --> 00:59:05,029 I think the official definition is if one of your both parents are born outside the 693 00:59:05,029 --> 00:59:10,509 Netherlands, then you are considered allochtoon. Which you could say is migrant. But in a sense 694 00:59:10,509 --> 00:59:14,470 it's very strange because if you're born here how can you be a migrant? 695 00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:19,099 Family members always call me and they’re like ‘So is it true that drugs are free 696 00:59:19,099 --> 00:59:23,449 in your country?’ I’m like, they’re not free. You can buy them, but they’re not free. 697 00:59:32,365 --> 00:59:34,559 In general, from the police they take you 698 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:42,730 to asylum, to the camps, to everywhere, it is perfect. Yeah. Everybody smiling. Everybody 699 00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:48,359 take care of you. This is a great. And to take asylum in 2 months, 2 and 1/2 months, 700 00:59:48,359 --> 00:59:50,699 it is the fastest asylum in all Europe. 701 00:59:51,182 --> 00:59:53,740 Coming from a war torn country into this country 702 00:59:53,759 --> 00:59:57,559 the Netherlands has been like my safe haven. I have relatives who were struggling in war 703 00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:02,059 torn countries who are trying to travel to the west, so I was pretty lucky growing up 704 01:00:02,059 --> 01:00:06,960 in this country. But then with all of the terrorist attacks happening all over the world 705 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,032 my sense of safety has changed. 706 01:00:10,508 --> 01:00:13,407 As long as it went good nobody was complaining. 707 01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:19,380 When the economy went down end 70s early 80s we started to hear these people are not adapted. 708 01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:22,880 But then again the economy went good during the rest of the 80s. And then with the huge 709 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,574 crisis and after 9/11 we have to have a scapegoat. 710 01:00:39,369 --> 01:00:44,070 It kind of freaks out when we see the rise of the right in Holland because Holland is 711 01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:47,980 so liberal and chilled out. Part of it has to do with a we see everywhere 712 01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:55,410 and that is that the people who voted for him were done with the traditional political 713 01:00:55,410 --> 01:01:00,859 leadership in this country. They saw them as essentially giving Muslims or immigrants 714 01:01:00,859 --> 01:01:06,230 greater consideration than the interests of hard-working Dutch people. And for that reason 715 01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:08,949 they voted for him in a vote of protest. 716 01:01:09,414 --> 01:01:12,032 Geert Wilders is a very astute politician 717 01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:17,700 you know. He keeps winning politician of the year. Specifically the year 1933. 718 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,730 Unlike right-wing populists in the US, in Holland they are strong supporters of national 719 01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:27,380 healthcare and the welfare state and though they always say that politics makes for strange 720 01:01:27,380 --> 01:01:32,282 bedfellows it was still surprising to hear about Wilders support for gay rights. 721 01:01:33,059 --> 01:01:39,029 He's thinking the Muslims hate the gays. I hate the Muslims, so I must love the gays. 722 01:01:39,029 --> 01:01:43,890 It works like this, and there's actually quite a few right-wing LGBT friends of mine falling 723 01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:48,200 for this but … So Geert Wilders loves the gays? 724 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,980 Well I haven't seen him with one around him, but … 725 01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:57,599 In Holland, the right-wing parties and not necessarily anti-gay. Often … Geert Wilders 726 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:03,450 Freedom Party's pro-gay. And one of the first populists in Holland Pim Fortuyn was gay himself. 727 01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:06,250 And the religious parties are not necessarily anti-gay either. 728 01:02:06,250 --> 01:02:10,760 There is no politician in Holland who could be homophobic. If they try, they will have 729 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,079 huge problems. It's still different than in many other countries here in the Netherlands. 730 01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:21,039 I'm also known as drag queen Jennifer Hopelezz. Can I Google that and see what Jennifer Hopelezz 731 01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,657 looks like? Yeah … very pretty. 732 01:02:25,032 --> 01:02:29,660 The liberal climate here is what really attracted me to the country. We were the very first 733 01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:34,349 country and Amsterdam very first city where gays and lesbians could marry. Six months 734 01:02:34,349 --> 01:02:38,480 after I came I met my husband and that's why I stayed here all these years. We’ve been 735 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,009 together 26, nearly 27 years. How do you stay together with someone for 736 01:02:43,009 --> 01:02:47,490 26 years? We don’t live together. That’s the number one secret. 737 01:02:48,282 --> 01:02:51,539 I came out very late. Around my 28th. And 738 01:02:51,539 --> 01:02:57,231 what I have always seen here is as a gay couple you could do and have everything. In some 739 01:02:57,231 --> 01:03:02,829 subjects you have to deliver more paperwork, it took a little bit longer maybe. But I 740 01:03:02,829 --> 01:03:08,069 think everything is the same between heterosexuals and gay couples. 741 01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:13,049 The country has moved to the right, and I think the world has moved to the right and 742 01:03:13,049 --> 01:03:17,069 I think Holland is still the most liberal country in the world, but yeah it has got 743 01:03:17,069 --> 01:03:21,210 more conservative. In terms of AIDS prevention we were really ahead of a lot of countries 744 01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:24,799 when it first hit. The education programs were really good in Holland and the rates 745 01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:28,009 were fairly low compared to other countries, but we’ve really stalled. 746 01:03:28,009 --> 01:03:35,099 I’m gay. I have a husband and I can’t walk around town holding his hand or kissing 747 01:03:35,099 --> 01:03:40,990 him in public. I should to make it more clear guys like us are gay as well, but you just don’t. 748 01:03:40,990 --> 01:03:45,249 While 15 years ago it wasn't a problem at all. 749 01:03:45,249 --> 01:03:52,157 I still see a lot more people having less and less problems with the issue. Less and less homophobia. 750 01:03:52,324 --> 01:03:58,490 I think it is one of the best countries to lead a gay a life I'm quite sure about. 751 01:03:58,490 --> 01:04:01,130 It’s not totally a gay paradise but it’s as good as it gets. 752 01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,480 I was working with students from different 753 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:15,309 countries and one of them was like ‘I was told that I had to have this Dutch cuisine 754 01:04:15,309 --> 01:04:21,749 kapsalon.’ Kapsalon is basically shawarma with french fries and salad and cheese. So 755 01:04:21,749 --> 01:04:26,650 this American guy was telling me I have to have this Dutch cuisine, and it was really 756 01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:32,560 interesting to me because it is Dutch. The guy who made it up is a Moroccan guy who lived 757 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:38,220 in Rotterdam. Identity is fluid, and I think the Moroccans and the Dutch and the Somalis 758 01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:43,130 and the Pakistanis and Suriname and everyone who lives in this country is also influencing 759 01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:44,699 that idea of identity. 760 01:04:44,995 --> 01:04:46,657 When we say in the Netherlands this is typical 761 01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:52,390 Dutch, I always ask myself what do you mean with that. And it's still changing and that's 762 01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:57,630 something I've learned. In the beginning you think will orange is the Dutch color, you 763 01:04:57,630 --> 01:05:02,249 know the tulip, the potato. And then you study and you think potatoes are actually 764 01:05:02,249 --> 01:05:06,260 from southern America and the tulip is from Turkey and what else is really Dutch. And 765 01:05:06,260 --> 01:05:08,970 then you can deconstruct what the culture is made of. 766 01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:11,790 Is there anything in your mind that's typically Dutch? 767 01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:13,407 Well the language, I think. 768 01:05:13,407 --> 01:05:16,032 The problem with Van Gogh is that if you would 769 01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:20,180 pronounce him by his Dutch name and say ‘Van Gogh’ nobody would recognize that 770 01:05:20,180 --> 01:05:22,032 you're talking about that artist. 771 01:05:22,032 --> 01:05:24,282 I'd like to say I can speak Dutch, but I don't 772 01:05:24,299 --> 01:05:27,865 like to speak Dutch because it makes my mouth feel sad. 773 01:05:27,907 --> 01:05:35,460 That's not me. That’s Jonathan. When I talk Dutch he thinks I'm a pig. 774 01:05:36,503 --> 01:05:39,074 (Clearing their throats.) 775 01:05:39,615 --> 01:05:44,490 The French used to say that Dutch is not a language, it’s a problem with your throat. 776 01:05:44,532 --> 01:05:50,949 I visit Arnhem, Wagningen … I’m sorry, Wagenin-gen? 777 01:05:51,175 --> 01:05:54,489 I think the Dutch actually pronounce it ‘nech-mech.’ 778 01:05:54,489 --> 01:05:58,860 Do you do your porn in English or Dutch? I do my porn in English. Especially 779 01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:02,660 my webcamming. I prefer not to speak Dutch. Why is that? 780 01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:06,529 Because Dutch has very ugly words to describe sexual desire. 781 01:06:06,907 --> 01:06:11,220 Are you learning Dutch? No! It's an impossible, impenetrable fortress 782 01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:16,319 of language. My bass player says that he thinks the Dutch just make it up as a joke on everybody 783 01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:21,324 else and that it’s just completely not a language at all. They secretly all speak English. 784 01:06:31,369 --> 01:06:36,365 It seems like when you first come here that there are more bicycles than people and that is exactly accurate. 785 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,282 Do you ever participate in the world naked bike ride? 786 01:06:54,282 --> 01:07:02,657 No. I'm not allowed from my public affairs person. But I like the initiative very much. 787 01:07:02,865 --> 01:07:06,359 We say there are about 13, 14 million cyclists 788 01:07:06,359 --> 01:07:13,269 in a country with 17 million people. We also cycle towards a high age. We have every year 789 01:07:13,269 --> 01:07:17,880 maybe 10 or 20 80 plusers who die while riding their bikes 790 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:24,549 So the people are dying on their bicycles. Yeah, or they fall down. Some of them die 791 01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:27,770 when they have a heart attack or stroke or whatever. 792 01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:30,949 I'm not sure that's the best advertisement for bicycling. 793 01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:35,960 There are a lot of bikes out there. Yeah, that’s true. 794 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,819 Does every kid come to school on a bike? Walking, biking … 795 01:07:39,819 --> 01:07:42,509 Do you have a school bus system? No. 796 01:07:42,509 --> 01:07:45,574 What happens if a kid's family can't afford a bike? 797 01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:53,239 That's like saying people can’t breathe. Everyone in Holland has a bike. 798 01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:59,130 My mom and dad also bike, and our Somali family members in other countries are like ‘do 799 01:07:59,130 --> 01:08:04,170 you bike?’ Like my dad is 70 and my mom is like this Somali lady with her dresses 800 01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:08,865 and they’re like ‘do you really bike?’ And my mom’s like ‘yeah … how else do I get around?’ 801 01:08:08,949 --> 01:08:10,880 Did you get a bicycle yet? 802 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:16,870 No. No. I don't think also I will use the bicycle 803 01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:20,339 Don't they make you get a bicycle as part of the asylum process? 804 01:08:20,339 --> 01:08:22,365 Yeah, they try. 805 01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:29,040 Queen Beatrix rode a bike and now our present king also rides a bike and they also do it with the families. 806 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,009 Everybody cycles here – even the Prime Minister. It’s because we have a really egalitarian 807 01:08:33,009 --> 01:08:37,319 society. You’re very on the same level. And I think this is one of the explanations, 808 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:44,470 the reason why people like biking because it keeps us all the same. We made choices, 809 01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:50,480 consistent choices over 30 years for giving priority to slow mobility to bikes and pedestrians 810 01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:54,850 It's been point of pride for Houten that their city has, for many years, won the Cyclists 811 01:08:54,850 --> 01:08:57,615 Union Cycling City of the Netherlands Award. 812 01:08:57,740 --> 01:09:02,240 Yeah, they used to be the bike city. The top now is Nijmegen. 813 01:09:02,324 --> 01:09:06,450 Saskia told me that you lost your crown to Nijmegen. Yeah. 814 01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:11,170 Is that true? Well it's true of course. But we always say 815 01:09:11,170 --> 01:09:16,080 there is only one bicycle town in the world and that's Houten. So I think that's just 816 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,270 envy of all the others. But we are best for sure. 817 01:09:19,270 --> 01:09:23,450 Are you going to challenge the mayor of Nijmegen to a bicycle race? 818 01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:29,532 Well I will win for sure. I don’t know if you’ve seen the mayor of Nijmegen. I should say look him up. 819 01:09:29,949 --> 01:09:33,126 Dutch cyclists, they kind of behave like a 820 01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:40,000 swarm of sparrows. We anticipate to the cyclists who are nearest to us. So if we see them going 821 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,850 to the right we tend to follow because we know probably there's something in front that 822 01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:50,699 I don't see but he sees so I follow. I really strongly believe that builds a culture of trust. 823 01:09:52,615 --> 01:09:54,570 While bicycles make create a lot of trust 824 01:09:54,570 --> 01:10:00,040 in Dutch society, they're also the cause of the country's leading annoyance. 825 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,640 Have you had your bicycle stolen? Sure. 826 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,740 My bikes get stolen once a year. 827 01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:07,110 Yeah mine was stolen, I think 2 weeks ago. 828 01:10:07,324 --> 01:10:13,870 I've had two bikes stolen while I've been here. Actually both in the last week. 829 01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:19,157 I don’t lock my bike for the last 2 months and it's not stolen yet so it's a bit of a luck. 830 01:10:19,157 --> 01:10:20,510 Can you tell me where it is? 831 01:10:20,907 --> 01:10:22,115 So you can take it? 832 01:10:22,115 --> 01:10:25,074 Is there some kind of government agency where 833 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,610 I can go as a tourist to get my money back for my 2 stolen bikes? 834 01:10:30,910 --> 01:10:31,660 No. 835 01:10:32,907 --> 01:10:34,949 How many locks did you have in your bike? One. 836 01:10:34,949 --> 01:10:37,420 On the next bike you should put two or three. 837 01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:41,090 Two or three? But that takes so long. That's the thing. That's why we work less 838 01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:44,365 than Americans, so we have time to lock our bikes basically 839 01:10:56,365 --> 01:11:01,400 According to the OECD, the Dutch work among the least number of hours. So how does their 840 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:07,030 system pay for so much time off? It’s a welfare state. The highest taxation 841 01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:14,130 is 52% of your income. It goes with steps up and I’m in the 52% bracket so I have 842 01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:16,730 to pay quite a lot. Does that bother you? 843 01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:24,365 Uh yeah when I have to … No, it doesn't bother me so much because you get a lot for that. 844 01:11:24,615 --> 01:11:26,580 The institutions and policies that the Nordic 845 01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:31,080 countries and the Netherlands have adopted get you very good outcomes in the area of 846 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:37,140 economic security, low poverty and equality of opportunity, and they do just as well if 847 01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:41,820 not better than on lots of other outcomes including economic growth, but also liberty, 848 01:11:41,824 --> 01:11:45,407 privacy, community, and many, many others. 849 01:11:46,990 --> 01:11:52,810 What do you say to someone who says that you're breeding laziness? How? 850 01:11:52,810 --> 01:12:00,115 By having people work too little. Oh…well the productivity levels were reasonable. 851 01:12:02,449 --> 01:12:04,710 Has Holland's expansive welfare state turned 852 01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:10,800 the Dutch into a nation of lackadaisical layabouts? Apparently not. In fact, the Netherlands is 853 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,550 ranked as one of the best countries to be an entrepreneur. 854 01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:20,430 If you look at the World Economic Forum, we are now number 5 in competitiveness. We are, 855 01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:24,920 after Germany, the greatest exporter in the European union. If you look at the agriculture 856 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,290 we are the second exporter in the world after the United States 857 01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:34,290 In a society where government provides to everyone some of these basic services and 858 01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:39,970 supports in the form of public insurance programs we in fact can be more individualistic. 859 01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:45,440 A bit more government services and public insurance programs can enhance rather than 860 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,240 limit or subtract from freedom. 861 01:12:49,282 --> 01:12:52,350 The theory of capitalism. You work hard, save 862 01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:58,020 up and buy two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, the economy 863 01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:00,407 grows, and society prospers. 864 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,699 The reality of capitalism. A multinational corporation forecloses 865 01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:10,580 on a farmer and repos 2 cows. It sells one to a subsidiary company, leases it back to 866 01:13:10,580 --> 01:13:14,750 itself, and declares a tax loss. After giving the remaining cow drugs to make it produce 867 01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:19,900 the milk of 4 cows, it executes a credit default swap to buy 20 more cows and transfer the 868 01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:25,260 rights to 50 leveraged cows via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly 869 01:13:25,260 --> 01:13:29,390 owned by a Russian oligarch. Three people who donated the most to the government win 870 01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:31,490 and everyone else loses. 871 01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:37,199 Social democracy. To create more cow ownership all of the world's 872 01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:41,940 developed nations have evolved into social democracies that mix free market capitalism 873 01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:47,390 with socialism, so the government runs important public services like education, police and 874 01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:53,000 firefighters, the military, utilities, pensions, and healthcare. The difference between countries 875 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,230 is in the amount of services they provide. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but the countries 876 01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:02,990 with the most generous social programs are also the world's happiest. 877 01:14:22,824 --> 01:14:27,970 There's this word that has come up a lot in talking to people. Gezelligheid. 878 01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:32,311 Yeah. Gezelligheid. Gezelligheid. Gezelligheid. Do you think that 879 01:14:32,311 --> 01:14:38,520 plays a roll in Dutch happiness? Well I think maybe the fact that we have such 880 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,820 a word does show that social values are considered important. 881 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,290 Bringing people together, sitting them around the table with some kind of food and drink 882 01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:53,340 often and then they say oh yeah, this is gezellig. This is really cozy I suppose is the closest 883 01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:56,324 you can say. Cozy and together. 884 01:14:56,324 --> 01:15:00,110 Dutch people like to confirm that it’s gezellig, 885 01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:07,020 when it’s gezellig. So we sit together and we say ‘gezellig yeah?’ ‘Gezellig.’ 886 01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:11,660 I think it’s just a nice social atmosphere, we value that. 887 01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:16,810 It’s one of those words that it's difficult to translate because it encompasses more of 888 01:15:16,810 --> 01:15:23,390 a feeling rather than actual definition. So when you think of love and coziness and also 889 01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:29,470 the feelings of acceptance and belonging. The idea is to actually foster human connections 890 01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:34,220 and I'm a firm believer that’s one of the reasons why Dutch kids and also Dutch adults 891 01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:36,115 are among the happiest in the world. 892 01:15:48,324 --> 01:15:52,824 If you want to know what a good society is look how happy the people are. 893 01:15:53,282 --> 01:15:56,140 The happiest countries in the world are typically western 894 01:15:56,140 --> 01:16:04,520 countries. The first key is sheer survival … safety, food. Once that is arranged it 895 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:11,020 comes more to freedom. And why is freedom important to happiness? Well in conditions 896 01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:16,230 of freedom people can choose a way of life that fits them best. 897 01:16:16,657 --> 01:16:22,560 A big difference is how wealth spread within the Netherlands, and we've seen some very 898 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:28,000 interesting studies looking at the differences in how wealth is distributed in a country 899 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,210 and the level of happiness and there is a very clear connection to it. So you see in 900 01:16:33,210 --> 01:16:38,990 countries where there is less difference between rich and poor, people are generally much more happy. 901 01:16:39,615 --> 01:16:43,560 If you assess religiousness of a country, then 902 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,657 you see a negative relationship. The more believers, the less happy. 903 01:16:48,657 --> 01:16:53,074 The number of churches is going down. The number of ministers is very much going down. 904 01:16:53,074 --> 01:16:58,050 The theology departments at universities have absolutely hardly any students anymore, so 905 01:16:58,050 --> 01:17:00,824 it's really a secular country these days. 906 01:17:01,074 --> 01:17:04,615 Well, the Dutch may be the happiest people in the world. 907 01:17:04,615 --> 01:17:07,160 I’m not totally sure whether they are, but they complain a lot. 908 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,782 Yeah that true. Especially in Amsterdam. We really like to complain. 909 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,532 They like to complain. I mean that’s the Dutch national pastime. 910 01:17:15,532 --> 01:17:19,410 The majority of the Netherlands, of the Dutch people, still think that the country is moving 911 01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:23,440 into in the wrong direction The majority thinks it’s in the wrong direction. 912 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:24,860 Yes. What percent thinks that? 913 01:17:24,860 --> 01:17:26,532 It’s about 60% normally. 914 01:17:26,532 --> 01:17:29,949 The Dutch writer Simon Carmichael wrote in 915 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:35,760 the 1950s already ‘The Dutch are a satisfied people but express it in an unsatisfied way.’ 916 01:17:36,032 --> 01:17:39,282 Do you think the Netherlands is getting more free or less free? 917 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,615 I would say less free. 918 01:17:43,615 --> 01:17:48,990 There’s less freedom. Less desire to explore liberties. 919 01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:54,240 Nowadays I think a lot of people don't dare to express themselves. 920 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,400 The fear of globalization is also present 921 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:01,210 in this country of course. The feeling that there are too many people from other countries. 922 01:18:01,324 --> 01:18:07,080 Dutch people are very vocal about things that they think don’t work, so that leads to 923 01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:12,190 a lot of questioning of things and a lot of improvement of things. So I think that's part 924 01:18:12,190 --> 01:18:17,790 of what helps things improve here is people who say it's not good enough. 925 01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:21,080 At the same time you see that this a democracy reform is coming up. 926 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,740 There is also a thriving culture, an underground culture. 927 01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:28,910 I also think there are a lot of people nowadays that are coming forward 928 01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:36,610 20 years ago gay marriages were not yet there. The law on euthanasia was not yet there. 929 01:18:36,610 --> 01:18:43,574 I recently got knighted. You know that which is completely impossible 20 years ago. 930 01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:49,120 Maybe you have seen the line of happiness in the Netherlands. It goes up and we live 931 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,370 now longer and happier than ever in human history. I think it would be wise if governments 932 01:18:54,370 --> 01:19:00,670 invest in happiness just like they invest in health. And it will also be profitable 933 01:19:00,670 --> 01:19:07,350 for governments because happy people appear to be better citizens. They participate more 934 01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:13,410 in the democratic process. Typically better informed. They vote more. And especially interesting 935 01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:19,320 for governments, they better pay their taxes. You mean they’re more honest, or they pay more? 936 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:20,320 Both. 937 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,480 Are you happy? Yes I am. 938 01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:26,560 You look happy. I feel so. 939 01:19:26,865 --> 01:19:32,620 Tim, are you hopeful about the future? Yes. But it will be a bumpy road I think. 940 01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:38,440 I believe in humanity. I think that humans are smart enough to realize that we have to 941 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:40,490 take a different course. 942 01:19:40,615 --> 01:19:44,150 In these times of crisis, we need boldness 943 01:19:44,150 --> 01:19:50,070 and we need a view and we need ideas. I think it's time to choose. 944 01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:57,020 My agenda is I want to change the world. I was picking up on that. 945 01:19:57,020 --> 01:20:02,960 Economy me now is the relation between humanity and money. The new system will be the relation 946 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,824 between humanity and planet earth. 947 01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:08,949 So what do you think Johan? Are you hopeful about the future? 948 01:20:08,949 --> 01:20:11,657 I wouldn't do this work everyday with Banktrack 949 01:20:11,657 --> 01:20:16,110 if I thought it's all hopeless. But it's all pretty hopeless. I read this saying that I 950 01:20:16,110 --> 01:20:21,110 really took as my slogan. ‘We have no chance at all, and we will grab it with both our hands.’ 951 01:20:21,574 --> 01:20:24,850 Rather than fighting the darkness, I prefer 952 01:20:24,850 --> 01:20:33,080 lit up a candle. I believe our children together will be able to get this to a better place. 953 01:20:33,407 --> 01:20:39,140 There is enough room in the Netherlands for solar and wind power and to a certain extent 954 01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:44,550 geothermal heat to make all our energy in a renewable way. 955 01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:51,490 Those companies that go for sustainability have made more profit, have created higher employment, 956 01:20:51,490 --> 01:20:56,615 and are growing faster than the traditional companies, the old economy. 957 01:20:56,699 --> 01:21:02,480 Ivette, are you hopeful about the future? Yeah. I'm really hopeful. I'm hopeful because 958 01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:07,449 of the amount of people that are standing up and are getting aware. 959 01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:52,820 This is a reward for living in Holland. As a child you get to hear this story, and as 960 01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:57,290 an adult you get to turn around and repeat it. As an added bonus, the government has 961 01:21:57,290 --> 01:22:04,740 thrown in legalized drugs and prostitution. So what's not to love about being Dutch? 962 01:22:07,824 --> 01:22:13,800 There you have it - Dutch social democracy in the 21st century. 20 years later I still 963 01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:18,560 see a lot of myself in this gezellig little country. Only now we both have less 964 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,949 sex, less drugs, and more bicycles. 965 01:22:23,609 --> 01:22:27,115 So is social democracy the nightmare we've been warned about? 966 01:22:27,115 --> 01:22:32,020 It sure didn't seem that way to me. But everyone has to decide for themselves 967 01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:37,960 how nightmarish it is to have month-long double paid vacations and universal health care. 968 01:22:38,824 --> 01:22:44,110 Thank you all so much for joining me on this journey and if you see me on the bike path 969 01:22:44,110 --> 01:22:45,782 make sure to say hi. 970 01:22:56,291 --> 01:22:59,074 And why are Dutch people so tall? 971 01:22:59,074 --> 01:23:01,574 You’re not going to ask me that question? Why are Dutch people so tall? 972 01:23:01,574 --> 01:23:05,690 I have no idea. I think it must be the diet. They’re the tallest race on earth. 973 01:23:05,690 --> 01:23:07,540 They are, and it’s freaky. It’s freaky. 974 01:23:07,540 --> 01:23:11,020 And they’re much taller than 20 years ago. Oh really? 975 01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:14,949 Yeah they are. Or maybe your spine’s just compacted. 103624

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.